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==Was it really?==<br />
Was the case really in progress? I thought you got everything you wanted out of it with Sgt Raiden saying that he won't make any more edits about the mall tour. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">23:53/19/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:He accepted a case that was brought, therefore 'in progress'. Also after his posting of "never wanted to talk about the Mall Tour" (or whatever he said) he still continued to post blatantly false information about the group. Now, whilst I was happy for Link etc. to reason with him, for so long as he continues to edit in such a manner I will continue to seek resolution. Since as you removed the case I am forced to take the only other option open to me. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm sorry, but I looked at his edits after his comment on the arbitration case but I don't see which edits you are refering to when you say that he is still posting false information about the group. If you could point out the edit(s) then I'ld be happy to admit that I was wrong. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:07/20/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:::He posted to arbitration on the 17th. Given that the posts on his talkpage had been up for some days it is ''reasonable'' to assume that he was at least aware of some contention surrounding his edits to the community pages regarding the Mall Tour 2009. Although it is before he posts to the arbitration page, by a hour or so I believe, even with the obvious activity on his talk page he proceeds to place [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:DangerReport/Stickling_Mall&diff=prev&oldid=1365476 these lies] on the danger report. At the time I was actively coordinating an extended strike to take the corner we were attacking. As we were at least 70 bodies off the ruin in the NE, the corner we were attacking, I wondered how we'd scored a ruin in another corner. One IRC message later, and I had [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/01-17-09_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_53-23__644-e62-e60.html definitive proof] of his lying. Two days after he continues to post complete shit [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Shearbank&diff=prev&oldid=1366547 like this], although the iwit proof seems to escape me, I did a pass of the mall at that time and only our entry cades in the NE corner were down. Although I appear to have mislaid the screen shots for this incident, given his past behaviour and my proof against it, it is reasonable to take my word for this as well. Simply put, he continues to lie. All of this could have been avoided if [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:DangerReport/St_Dionysius%27s_Hospital&diff=prev&oldid=1362921 this edit] had justifiably been ruled vandalism and the warning issued. There is no good faith reasoning for posting that, especially inside another user's signed comment. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Well you've got what you've said you wanted, he has stopped making edits concerning the Mall Tour (specifically no mention of Mall Tour). Yeah, sure those edits before his comment on arbitration were probably just to annoy you further. By the way, I don't see how [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Shearbank&diff=prev&oldid=1366547 this edit] is "complete shit" considering [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3AMall_Tour_2009%2FMain&diff=1366321&oldid=1365225 this edit] to the mall tour page (who cares if there was a barricade or not, or were you talking about the fire station?). The thing is, newbies do stupid things all of the time, and if you go to [[A/A]] (or [[A/VB]] each and every time without trying to talk to them first then people are going to lose respect for you, fast. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:01/20/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:::::No he hasn't, demonstratively, he might have stopped mentioning us by name, but he hasn't stopped lying and should he reverse himself and begin talking about the Tour again I have no arbitration ruling to escalate him immediately. I haven't gotten what I wanted by a long shot. The fact is, I started a case, he accepted and you removed it whilst we were in the stage where we would have chosen arbitrators. Given the opinions of the sysops this would not be ruled vandalism but is. If I went and archived cases because I didn't like them I'd be escalated in a heartbeat, hence, double standard. <br />
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:::::I have precisely zero concern for your, or anyone else's, respect on this wiki. My primary concern is towards the integrity to the group. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:10, 20 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I archived the case on 2 grounds, 1) You were in violation of what Arbitration is about; resolving disputes when you can't get to them on your own accord. 2) There was a resolution to the case. He agreed to not post anything about the Mall Tour which is exactly what you asked for. If you don't understand how things work (you know, talk to people, make sure they understand and then report them if they continue any behaviour against the rules) then maybe you should have a good look at how things are done. I can garuntee you that for the majority of things that this is the way it works (even if it is people reporting to A/VB and then sysops explaining to users without escalations). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:31/20/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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==Ahem.==<br />
You might have answered this elsewhere but i cbf tracking it down, so why (actually) did you decline anime's nomination? I wouldn't care except that i'm considering nominating you (as you're fully aware) and your motivation for not accepting his nomination might effect my decision.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 22:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Cat 4, desire to become a sysop. Anime nominated me in bad faith for his own amusement. As we know, bad faith = vandalism, but good luck getting that through A/VB....<br />
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:As it was just for his personal amusement I had to act to remove his trolling from the wiki, because, let's face it none of the other sysops would. Isn't standing by whilst bad faith actions were taking place what they took you to misconduct for? Odd how it doesn't apply to them.<br />
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:It is purely for this reason that I removed it. I have already given Cat 4 authorisation to certain users, yourself included, for the purposes of a serious bid if that is the will of the community. If you are going to go through with it at some point in the future, just give me a heads up so I can take the page off my watchlist for the duration, I have enough to do with the Mall Tour to engage in the drama that certain users would bring to that page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Can I get some input?==<br />
I've been working on a policy that I believe is sorely needed [[User:Pestolence/001|here]], and I'd appreciate your input on it. How can it be improved, and is it even needed right now? A potential problem is what to do about current sysops: put them all up for review now (leading to a massive backlog of admin page drama), postpone the review until six months from now (simply staving off the inevitable drama till later), or something else glaringly obvious that I've overlooked? See you around. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Why?==<br />
Why do you have to be such an ass? So much of what you claim to stand against is perfectly reasonable and yet you go about it in a way designed to annoy folk. You are a wiki lawyering Fu**er but I have to applaud you for challenging those who so often seem to think they are in charge. If only you could choose your cases with less bias rather than the current sense of self righteous "WTF" i think i could actually find myself on your side... Well, at least some of the time! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 01:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
==Awesome..==<br />
..user page! (Also, the 'Wiki Martyr' part made me smile :)). So, do you really want to become a sysop? Or you're just interested in the community/sysops' answers? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 16:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm glad someone else can see the humour in my redesign. As far a being a sysop goes, I unfortunately believe it's necessary if this wiki is ever to return to its original purpose. This is the ''only'' official resource for the game and yet a majority of the metagame community avoid it, we should have three times the amount of regular contributers than we do and this should be an important stepping stone for newbies to engage with that wider community. I place the blame for this clearly in the political bias of the current administration team. What we have is a system where no-one can be promoted without being an ally of theirs and cannot be demoted unless they are willing to tow the party line as set down by them (see J3D's demotion). The will of the community, that the sysops are supposed to represent in their position as ''trusted users'', is regarded as insignificant next to their continued hold over what they percieve as an elite or superior status. We have a group of people who cannot be demoted, and that cannot have their bias nullified by promoting others (as they proved by removing J3D as soon as they could force it through, odd how the evidence was 'sysop' only, and that if J3D had made those logs public they'd have removed him anyway citing the Privacy Policy). The community is no longer represented by the administration team and as proven by Nubis today, they no longer work according to the will of the community. This is damaging this resource and ultimately the game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::What did Nubis do? So, do you think the community doesn't trust our current sysops (and that's the reason why we have very few contributions from them)? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 21:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Might have completely forgotten about this due to running the Mall Tour, sorry Janus. The [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FDiscussion&diff=1361041&oldid=1354090 edit in question]. I point directly to ''"We need a system to deal with that or add to the policy that a deletion vote can be overturned by a majority of the sysops"''. That's right, Nubis wants a system where they can summarily dismiss the community consensus as it suits them. Contrast with the current Administration Guidelines ''"As a wiki, for these actions, each user's voice has equal weight, regardless of his or her abilities"''. Even with the entire community against the image, Nubis wants to be able to overrule that consensus. The wishes of the community no longer factor into the primary reasoning of the sysops, they are no longer trusted users, but instead ''empowered'' users, and just as with Nubis' wanted new statute, they cannot be removed regardless of the will of the community. <br />
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:::See also [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FArbitration&diff=1362209&oldid=1362208 this edit by Hagnat]. He removes a case that he's involved with for false reasoning. Now I'd put that back but he'd force it through A/VB as 'spamming the admin pages'. Hagnat said he would take no part in the arbitration, when this has happened in the past other users have been selected to represent the refusing party, also his notion that intermediary edits render the case invalid is patently untrue, see the case of Jorm and MOB versus Extinction, the page in the case had many edits but as Jorm was objecting to the basic content and the act of originally posting such material as content the case continued. The same was true in this case, but Hagnat decides to sweep the case under the carpet without any hint of objection from the rest of the sysops. The case wasn't even archived, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Hagnat&diff=prev&oldid=1362275 here he attempts to justify] his actions by summarily judging the case to be 'trolling' and saying that is not normally what happens. [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Conndraka_vs._St._Iscariot|Odd how easy it is to prove him wrong....]]<br />
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:::You can also look at the general underlying hypocrisy of the sysops. A user asked whether my sig was illegal on Nubis' talk page, rather than leaving that user in suspense, I [[User_talk:SirArgo#My_Signature|went to his page]] and cleared up the confusion. I direct you to Nubis' comment below ''"But as you can plainly see Iscariot has a boner for me and is stalking my talk page"'', yes, indeed, something appears on my watch list because I've posted there before and I'm ''stalking'' him. Contrast to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHagnat&diff=1362643&oldid=1362509 this edit] where he pulls out an old edit summary whilst I was performing routine maintenance on my talk page. Yet, I'm ''stalking'' him, and he's doing nothing wrong. These are your ''trusted users''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Thank you for your answer! But now I'm curious. How can we "fight/solve" this situation in your opinion? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 12:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==2nd Warning==<br />
[[Image:Stop hand.png|40px]] - This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am obliged to post here to inform you of it. Please do not spam admin pages with trollish and irrelevant comments. You have already been formally warned for this and if you continue to edit in this manner you will have your editing privileges revoked. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==hmmm==<br />
i just realised that the drama wave that started with your case against nubis (brought after i complained it was too quiet around here) still hasn't broken. That's not a bad effort imho...also, nice page :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for your praise about my page. I feel the drama will never die down as long as the current administration team are sysops and mods as the situation suits them. Regarding your below comments about sysop candidacy, I too am interested in their reasons for denying promotion. Therefore, if you wish, you may nominate me for promotion, however due to drama reasons I will not participate in the discussion. You make take this comment as an expression of category four, expression of desire to become a sysop and note this on the nomination if you so wish. I will not participate in the discussion due to evidential bias on the part of the sysop team, however I empower yourself, Suicidal Angel and Pestolence to act in my stead, to respond to any questions and to be afforded the same response rights as I would have. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Holy crap==<br />
Your userpage is incredible. Where'd you get the image on the top? --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:My Main Page? The Dune scape? You'll be amazed at what you find when you type Arrakis into a few image sites....;) <br />
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:Thanks for the approval though, it's been driving me insane trying to get the basic page down today, it'll be tweaked when I can take the headache again. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: It is epic win. I was wondering about the Dune reference on DY's page. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 21:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Thanks!==<br />
I love my GC page! You are awesome. <3 --[[User:Fifth Element|Fiffy]] 13:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning==<br />
[[Image:Stop hand.png|40px]] - This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am obliged to post here to inform you of it. Please do not spam admin pages with trollish and irrelevant comments. This is vandalism as has been judged several times in the past. If you continue to edit in this manner you may have your editing privileges revoked. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Mall Tour]]==<br />
Why do you keep removing the '09 Mall Tour from the list? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It is the desire of the Head Tour Guide not to link to the main wiki in this way until he is happy to take the Tour public. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::After looking over everything, the tour is good to go and ready to start assembling. My thanks to Izzy for helping keeping this private until all of the start up work was complete and ready to be unveiled (nothing worse than half finished work). --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 19:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Run for sysop==<br />
yeah.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Why? As was proved by you tenure, if the current team dislike you, the changes you make or your community support they will promptly rally round and force through a demotion regardless of community consensus. The problem isn't the system, it's the people who can't be removed by a community they no longer represent. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah i'd just like to see their reasons for not promoting you.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::They'd rehash the reason Grim gave for not promoting you the first time even with enough community support, compare that to Hagnat's most recent promotion, you both had the same support from the community, except that you were active and contributing and he conveniently disappeared for most of his promotion bid, leaving three aborted policies that were only for show as no-one in their right mind would pass them. Result? You were told to sod off and he was welcomed back. You'll notice that he was ''specifically'' told to use the admin pages in his most recent promotion, when was he doing that in his recent archiving fiasco? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Deletion==<br />
I see :) Would it be meatpuppetting if a TZH's member was reported on A/VB for [[User_talk:Leroy_Jankens|all those comments]] and found 'guilty'? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 15:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No, because normal users do not get a vote on A/VB. The core of meat puppeting something is the use of a mass group of voters to enforce a change. This cannot apply to A/VB because nobody competent gets a vote there. Also they've done nothing wrong. There is no policy or precedent on this wiki that users have to be civil to each other. The case would be dismissed and give them something more to whine about.<br />
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:If someone was to secure enough support from the metagame community and then put all their group pages up for deletion (under a reasoning of no redeemable content), if those pages were deleted and they subsequently recreated them ''then'' they could be escalated under A/VB, and the pages recreated would be speedily deleted. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Your talk page is better than checkuser anyway==<br />
what's the policy on ex-sysops around these parts? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Ex-sysops are fine. Welcome back. I'm sure there'll be some sort of changes planned for the future that will once again make this wiki an unbiased and helpful resource. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm inclined to agree there, if you're meaning the Saint's talk is much more amusing than check user.--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 00:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Ex-sysops > sysops pretty much anywhere. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 01:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Boxy's Talk Page==<br />
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Thanks for that. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 00:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No probs, although I guarantee they find something to have a go at me for because of it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::They're [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABoxy&diff=1354243&oldid=1354221 conspiring against you!] --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::This is the indication of the same type of bias they used to force J3D out of office, expect Wikigate II sometime soon. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::On second thought, I took the smiley out of my OP, this isn't funny. This is totalitarianism. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 01:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't have a problem with totalitarianism, I have a problem with hypocrisy. They're sysops, but want to moderate when they choose regardless of the policies voted in or the wishes of the community. There needs to be an entire changing of the admin team, with the new team understanding that they serve the community by following the policies the community has taken the time to consider and approve. Either that or a conversion to a moderation system as Grim was trying to do, their problem wasn't with Grim's system, but with the fact he removed them from their perceived 'elite' status. I'd actually favour a moderation system, but again we'd need a complete removal of the current crop as they are entirely unsuitable. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[A/A]] ==<br />
Done, although please reply to the archive warning note in future. Thanks. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Your Talk Page ==<br />
It is epic and it is 105 kilobytes long, according to the Warning: Internet Meltdown sign at the top. It makes me happy to see so many stupid people fall on their faces here. I just managed to crawl through the SoldierUDW funfest, and the results of it, particularily in regards to people abandoning Soldier, made me giggle like a small child. It also gave me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside, not unlike Chai Tea with a small amount of Irish Cream. I demand more. Anger more stupid people so that I may get my jollies! --{{User:DT/Signature}} 05:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I dub it the Vat of Quotations. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 03:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Can you imagine some of the gems that'd be here if I hadn't removed the sysops right to edit here? As shown above however, it looks like they are setting up to randomly ban me, no cause and with the justification of ''"You make us look stupidz!"'', yeah, ''trusted users''.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::More proof that democracy cannot be trusted, as people in large numbers are never right. Hey, people let ''me'' Moderate forums on Brainstock - that's a vote for the infinite quality of human stupidity right there. I know that if you were a Brainstock mod, I'd be conspiring against you. Not for any particular reason, but conspiring nonetheless. Possibly plotting and scheming as well. Mind you, I'm not altogether certain that most Brainstock mods and Admins aren't conspiring to have me banned...--{{User:DT/Signature}} 02:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Democracy? Where? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::The democracy we'll have to use to set up the Reich of Fuhrer Grimtler! -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I personally was largely in favor of Grim taking over. Things would have run far more smoothly and efficiently. And he'd been burdened with all the SysOp duties, which would have produced fatal amounts of stress.--{{User:DT/Signature}} 02:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::You don't think he would have killed himself after losing his power and getting hit with the banhammer? He lived a pretty sad life - he had some fucked-up condition (I forget what it was) that basically meant he couldn't leave the house. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 02:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== MT09'? ==<br />
Two things:<br />
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1. You better not fail this. Mall tours are always fun. Good luck, mate!<br />
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2. Did you draw that picture? EPIC! <br />
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=D --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:#Shush! No-one knows about it yet.<br />
:#I'm not running it, I'm just coding it.<br />
:#Nope, came from one of my image elves.<br />
:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 03:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Sorreh! OMG IMAGE ELVES. I CAN HAZ SOME?! --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Noez, they iz an endangerered speesheez, and I needz them. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 03:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Plox? I iz a good take carer! --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==RE: Arbitration==<br />
Since I am apparently acceptable to both of you, <br />
the case, [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St. Iscariot versus Boxy|St. Iscariot vs. Boxy]], has been opened. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Noticed, opening statement construction has begun. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 06:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You're "on the stand"... a (hopefully) brief cross-examination by the arbitrator. There may or may not be further questions -- for you, and/or boxy. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Please make a concluding statement in the Arby versus Boxy. Thank you. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== /me pokes you with a stick ==<br />
Go look in your No More Heros talky page. --[[User:SexyRexyGrossman|Sexy Rexy Grossman]] 19:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Oh dear sweet Lord ==<br />
He's back in full force. Seems rather desperate to get away from his past, too... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's OK, we know he weighs the same as a duck, and therefore floats on water, therefore he's made of wood and will burn like a true witch. Also, he turned me into a newt... I got better. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::And apparently [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Pestolence&curid=98201&diff=1338926&oldid=1338907 he shops for IP addresses at yard sales.] I'm too tired to respond to this idiocy right now, but he's also banned me from his talk page. Sound familiar? --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Apology ==<br />
(Sorry for any grammar mistakes, but I'm writting on a keyboard that lacks half it's keys)<br />
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It may have come to your attention that I have recently killed your character, Damon Young.<br />
I wish to apologize for that, since I didn't do it willingly. Rather, I was ordered to do so by SoldierUDW. Until this point, I had no idea of your previous "argument" with Soldier. Please do not think that I have been deceived into thinking that you have been acting aggressively towards Soldier. I have seen the messages he wrote, and I find them incredibly offending and uncalled for. So, I besides from apologizing for the error I made, I'd like to give you an unofficial apology on behalf of SZES (or, better said, ZEMA)<br />
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'''PS:''' I am no longer part of ZEMA, but I thought you deserved an apolgy anyway. <br />
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--[[User:Shirax|Shirax]] 17:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I am glad you have seen sense and left this group and moved out from the influence of this idiot. I hope this will not sour you from working with other survivors, the best thing a survivor player can do is to join with other intelligent survivors to help the cause. I personally recommend the [[Mad Craskers]] or the [[Dribbling Beavers]] as excellent groups who will welcome you and help you tremendously in the game. Be sure to research the rules of the Rogues Gallery and get your bounty (when it's processed) removed at the earliest opportunity. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== A reminder ==<br />
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Oh your the f*%#*@# retard Iscarret! Your the one who probably hates "Americans", people keeps telling you they are going to report you to the administrations because of thie insults you gave them. You're the moron, you're the dumb ass, you are even more insane than SillyLillyPilly. This is why nobody woulden't even trust you on this shit because you use your job to attack other users. No duh. <br />
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How about you like it if you tasted your own medicine, like the bullshit you gave to other users? <br />
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-- {{User:Soldier/Sig}} 23:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:You'd think that if you'd watched the Youtube video that's linked on my userpage you'd know that I despise dumb colonials like yourself. I'm insane, am I? Quite possibly, but I can take anti-psychotics, there are no anti-stupid pills, which means you're screwed. By all means, carry on your impotent little rants and ingame activities, they amuse myself and the rest of the audience to the your car crash wiki existence. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::UP YOURS M*#$*@#$%^&!!! :P --{{User:Soldier/Sig}} 18:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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This is lol. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 16:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Back Off ==<br />
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Do not F*&@% with me Iscariot, I' am warning you. I' am not retarted like what everyone saids and the harrassing has got to stop, so you shut your f*&%@#% mouth shut about whatever I' am doing. Its not your bussiness, so back off or I will stockpile shit on your talk page like you did to me (if you ever did).<br />
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-- [[User:Soldier|Soldier UDW]] 19:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:HAHAHAHAHA I'd be careful, Iscariot, or he might report you for "harrasment" like he's going to do to me. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::#Learn to follow page rules. New sections go at the '''top''' of my talk pages.<br />
::#I removed your right to comment in my user spaces a while back. The only reason that your post was not instantly deleted was because Pestolence replied to it.<br />
::#You are retarded.<br />
::#Feel free to bring whatever cases and 'shit' you like against me. I've griefed people off this wiki and out of the game before, you and your zerg army won't be difficult to deal with.<br />
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::Hugs, kisses and fluffy puppies,<br />
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::-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, sorry about that. Go ahead and delete it if you want, Iscariot. But before you do, I think I should let you know that not only are you a psychopath, you're also a [[User_talk:Janus_Abernathy#Soldier_UDW|hypnotist]] who forced Janus Abernathy to leave his "group." You evil, evil man. :D --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 20:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::None of that was in response to you dude, the numbers automatically indent, so it may look that way. Yeah, I've seen the latest episode of my new favourite show, apparently all my evil plans are being unravelled. I'll have to hide away in my secret volcano base, twiddle my moustache and stroke my token evil villain cat and think of a new nefarious plot. Have you noticed that Janus is more conversant in his second language than moron boy is in what's supposed to be the language of his country? I wonder if he's seen the link on my userpage.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::And by the way, he's at 21 health in the Piggott Building. Just FYI. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 20:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So I've just seen, he killed my Knight this morning. I'm already back. I have other things in mind for him though. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Hey there. I just wanted to say a few things (yeah, I'm talking a lot today..): <br />
:-I'm sorry for all this drama I contributed to make. <br />
:-Iscariot didn't force me and the AZS to leave the ZEMA; he actually gave me lots of good advices. <br />
:-I'm feeling very sorry for [[User:Cortez250|Cortez]] right now.<br />
:-I happen to be.. a female. Maybe I should have said that before. Sorry about this too :( <br />
--{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 21:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You didn't cause this drama, and we're glad you saw sense and got out of that organisation. Plus the drama is really amusing, we have to make our own fun round here. <br />
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::Also I know you don't mean your apology, you're only making it because I'm forcing you to telepathically, my psychic powers are irresistible. The link in my sig should be to the Psi Corps, not the Gore Corps ;)<br />
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::I also feel sorry for Cortez, but with the wonders of the contributions list, we should be able to save others from his idiotic influence.<br />
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::You can't be female, we all know there are no girls on the internet ;P I'm actually a great admirer of Italian women, mainly due to [http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g298/Saint_Jimmys_Extrodinary_Rebel_Girl/My%20things/famous%20people/Cristina%20Scabbia/Day%20by%20Day%20pictures/CristinaScabbiawithwineglass.jpg this hottie]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Well, it looks like Soldier is in a wiki-coma due to us psychos "sueing his ass." Hopefully he'll stay gone for good. (although I was starting to have fun with him).<br />
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And by the way, not all of us Americans are dumb. We just have more than our fair share of idiots over here, along with highly visible morons like Soldier who perpetuate the stereotype. :) It's guys like him who make me want to join the Philosophe Knights. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh well, shame he wouldn't learn. Have you watched the youtube video that Iscariot has on his page, Pestolence? At the end it says pretty much the same thing as you. :P - [[User:Whitehouse]] 04:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Oh, I saw that Cortez is safe (luckily). He probably got scared about all the mess on the talk pages.. <br />
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Soldier's in wiki coma, thanks to Iscariot's psychic powers; I wonder what's going to become of the ZEMA, now that his leader and Omega have resigned. Oh well.<br />
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Cristina Scabbia is quite beautiful ;) --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 20:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Yeah, Recruitment page==<br />
Hey there. I'm not here to bitch :) I understand why you removed the [[Anti-zombie squad|AZS]] ad from the recruitment page.. but I don't get why you removed the [[Zombie Emergency Management Agency|ZEMA]] and kept the [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad|SZES]] one. AZS and SZES are both "subgroups" so shouldn't we keep the ZEMA ad?<br />
(I apologies for my bad english. I happen to be italian and a bad student) --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:The enforcement of the large groups rule on the Recruitment page is based on established precedent (i.e. the way we've done things before). When a group that is deemed a large group has multiple ads on the page priority goes to the ad with the oldest valid timestamp, i.e. the valid ad that was there first. For instance, if the [[RRF]] puts up ads for the Gore Corps, the main RRF and AU10 (in that order), providing the timestamp on all three was valid I'd remove the main RRF and the AU10 ones, even though the remaining ad (the GC) is a sub group of the main group because that advert was first. The precedent is based on ad cycling efficiency and the notion that large groups are entitled to solely advertise their sub groups should they wish. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I see about the timestamps. I don't understand your last sentence though (yes, I'm dense); does it mean we can put back the ZEMA ad and write the AZS an SZES links in it? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::If you put the ZEMA ad back in it will be removed as it currently breaks the [[Recruitment#Format_for_Advert_Content|Format Guidelines]]. If the ad is brought back into line with these guidelines, there is no prohibition to mentioning or linking other groups, sub groups or strike teams within a group ad. Simply put you can have ''"ZEMA is an alliance consisting of the [[Anti-zombie squad|AZS]] and [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad|SZES]]."'' in your ad, but the ZEMA ad must still conform to the other page guidelines. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh, I didn't know it was breaking the Format Guidelines. Thanks, I'll fix it. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::If you want my advice, you'll take your group and get as far away from [[User:Soldier|this idiot]] as you can. Retarded stuff like placing Hagnat on his group's KOS list after [[User:Soldier/Talk_Archive#knowledge_is_half_the_battle|he tried to help him out]] or putting sysops on the same list for doing their job is so retarded that he might need medical treatment. [[Zombie_Emergency_Management_Agency/Policies#Z.E.M.A._Page_Insubordinate_Editing_Policy|This policy]] of his caused myself and several other players that have seen it great hilarity. For the record I could probably go edit every single one of ZEMA's pages and there's nothing he could do to me. It's this kind of posturing, stupidity and disregard for that is going to get your group attacked and your personal reputation in this game tarnished by association.<br />
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:::::It's not often that Sonny and I agree, but his conduct is very reminiscent of another wiki contributer. That situation ended with the [[Invasion_of_Gibsonton]]. Basically a group annoyed Sonny, he took [[DORIS]] and it took him less than a week to wipe this group out, the only reason that conflict lasted longer was because better more experienced groups got involved. The Imperium was many times the size of your collective alliance and they lasted a week. A sub conflict of this event was the Philosophe Knights against the Necroinquisition. Soldier boy has it listed on your pages that you are at war with the Philosophe Knights, be glad the Order hasn't noticed you. It took us three days to wipe out the Necroinquisition, and we don't mean kill so they had to wait for a revive, we mean kill continuously so those players left the game.<br />
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:::::If you don't want a similar situation to occur with your groups you really need to get away from him, or stop him speaking and acting for your alliance. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Zombie_Emergency_Management_Agency&diff=prev&oldid=1333849 Edits like this] where he demonstrates that he can't differentiate between a person's characters and their routine maintenence as a wiki citizen are going to get you a lot of grief. He seems to fail to realise that just because someone's character kills other characters does not mean they act exclusively for that character when they are perform tasks on the wiki. That and his actions at adding a pacifist, then level 5, pro survivor to your KOS because he was 'involved in player killing', even though that character has done [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|more for the survivor cause than your entire alliance]] is simply pathetic. He's a coward, a moron and an idiot. If you want to play this game and gain any sort of respect you need to do something about him. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::I've.. already tried to tell him about this. I'll talk to my group and try to make him see that he's not doing very good. Thanks for the advices. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 16:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC) <br />
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Sorry, I forgot to ask. The ZEMA ad's problem is only the amount of words, right? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 15:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That was the problem that got it removed. I don't know if it breaks any others as well because I don't have a link to it. If it does break any others it will be removed again. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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To avoid Soldier putting you (or your survivor character..) on the Psychopaths list again, can I ask you what was wrong with the ad? There were 180 words more or less; did it have another problem? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 22:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:He took me off? I doubt it. I put the text into my word program, it told me two hundred words before I put the text under the image in, over two hundred and it goes. The word limit includes all words in the ad, including links, picture commentaries and everything else except your header and signature. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Damn picture commentaries. 199 words now, putting the ad back. I didn't see your name on the list; Drawde and Hagnat are still there though, with no profile links.. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 22:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::196 by my count, but no timestamp, put one on or it'll go on the next purge. He's got my characters Cliff Spab, Cloister the Stupid and Damon Young on there. There's no point in removing any of them if you're going to leave things like a declaration of war against the Order or other Knights on there, also leaving Saromu up there is just as bad. My advice, wipe all the KOS lists he's done, including the SZES one and institute a clear rules system for addition and removal from the list i.e. proof using screenshot of any PK, displayed next to the entry. Looking at the rules of the [[Rogues Gallery]] might help you here. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:03, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Sorry, I put the timestamp. Yeah, we usually post a screenshot along with the pker/gker's name&ID in the AZS page. I'd remove the ZEMA and SZES KOS lists but then I'm worried I'd be reported as a psychopath, so I'll tell Soldier first.. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 23:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Just wanted to say that the [[Anti-zombie squad|AZS]] are not part of the [[Zombie Emergency Management Agency|ZEMA]] anymore, so I'm putting back our ad in the Recruitment Page. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 12:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Neh?==<br />
[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=User:J._Iscariot&action=edit Coincidence?]--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 04:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Coincidence. I've been offline due to net problems for what seems like an age. Although I find ED funny, most of the pages cause near terminal slowdown to my old laptop, so I don't often frequent the place. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:06, 8 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==You're useless==<br />
Hey man I've waited and waited I've asked nicely for all sorts of help from you. I can't even get you to reply to my questions any more. Well here's what's gonna happen over on the recruitment page. I'm gonna write up the policy I like then I'm gonna get it voted through with every person I can possibly get to vote. You might want to help me write it because if you don't your buddies over at the Pk knights might end having to advertise in only 1 section of the wiki like everyone else. So once again. PLEASE HELP ME COME UP WITH A POLCIY FOR THE RECRUITMENT PAGE THAT DOESN"T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE DEM or don't and we'll just leave you out of it entirely--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 00:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Recruitment isn't subject to [[A/PD]], it's change by discussion.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 00:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I have no idea what you're talking about. Reason #32 why the the ud wiki sucks? Obscure rules and pages that nobody understands except the people who are or have been in charge.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::For the second time this week I've managed to get on a computer with net access for five minutes. Did you not think to look at my contributions Kristi? I haven't been on because my internets are broken. I hardly have time to go through this now, when I get back we can continue our discussions. Karek is entirely wrong, if a policy passes by community vote then its subject becomes covered by it, and if anyone then acts contrary to it then their edits are vandalism, a sysop not realising this should be misconduct - but good luck getting that through the circle jerk club.<br />
::::I don't give two shits for your contributions you've been unhelpful, ignorant and generally combative through this entire process. You're useless and I'm tired of dealing with useless wiki people who have an axe to grind against my group. How about we log on a bunch of DEM members and see how bad we can screw with the philosophe knights...just cause we can? You're ignorance of the system is evidenced by Karek as I feel he has way more insight in the system than you have. Get a better connection or leave the page for someone that wants to actually do something.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Karek, you are well aware of the rules of this page, the only reason your contribution was not removed is because Kristi responded to it. I take your response, given its complete arrogance and incorrectness, to be a poor attempt at trolling. The same type of trollling you warned Nubis and Conndraka against over on Arbitration. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Actually it was about clarification. The recruitment page is like [[Talk:Suggestions]] in it's creation and maintenance. It means that if a consensus can be reached the rules of the page get changed, that's all there is to it and making a policy page for it is needless excess at the very least. Basically you all need to reach an agreement as to how the page is to be maintained, not pass the buck off because you don't get along.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Is it true Karek that I could just say fuck iscariot and have a bunch of DEM members come and change things how we want?--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
bahahahahahaha kristi don't ever change --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Die in a fire.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::love ya too sweetheart --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 03:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
All this love makes me feel funny.--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 03:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Where can I send you a image as proof ==<br />
Can I send you a E-mail or something? --[[User:Matt Aries|Matt Aries]] 05:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:You can PM over at Barhah.com under this user name. However if you are trying to contest page ownership, then doing it straight to me is pointless, you'll have to go through the Arbitration process on the relevant wiki page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Do i get a vouch now??==<br />
Since i picked it :P I'd miss posting on your talk page though...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Hey.==<br />
Any chance of buckling to pressure and re-voting on the talking to oneself suggestion? It looks like its going to fail to reach peer reviewed by one vote. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Unfortunately not. I had a valid justification on there, and then received an escalation when even Gnome admits he didn't strike my vote in the manner specified to make it a sysop strikeout. Coupled with the votes that have yet to be struck on [[Suggestion:20081030_Zombies_Stuck_in_Lights|this suggestion]], including such gems as ''"MAH SEX IS AHN FIAH!"'' by one of the sysop team clearly demonstrates sysop bias. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I just did. You're welcome.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 12:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks. Congrats on the culture tour. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, I have to say, that is kind of a big undertaking. Good job mate.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 22:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Thank you both for your kind words. The tour was long and stressful, but ultimately lots of fun, as well as demonstrating that you can go round all of Malton contributing to the survivor cause with just a level 5 character. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Salt the Land]]==<br />
Just noticed this [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Salt_The_Land_Policy&diff=1304177&oldid=1304173 edit of yours]. No biggie for me but what history exactly? Are you claiming old RRF alts don't retire to squat the Blackmore anymore? I know from talking to Murray that RRF doesn't support [[Salt the Land]] as such except in Ridleybank of course so I'm just curious as to your reasoning.--[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 04:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Simple history. That sentence implied that it had ''always'' been the focus of the RRF's hold on Ridleybank. The focus was Moggridge PD back when Petro founded the Front. The Gray Guard retire there, not Blackmore. The only reason that Blackmore sees so much action in the 'bank is due to survivors constantly focussing on it, see tomorrow's stupidity. Because of the harmans' focus on this, the Praetorian Guard are forced to spend time there, not due to any orriding policy or tactical bias. <br />
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:Only Moggridge holds special significance, Blackmore is just another building. It's just the most popular location for idiots to organise themselves into buffets though. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Dear god==<br />
That ranting Gryphon video was hilarious. I thank yuo deeply for letting me stumble upon its truthful awesomeness,--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 01:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:You are most welcome, be sure to also watch:<br />
:[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q71cMRGXx9o Global Warming] <br />
:and<br />
:[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dMbKqtjv2vM&feature=related Do your job!]<br />
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:There's other stuff there, but those three are the best. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Your sig==<br />
Can you please deblink it? Feel free to keep the text but it really is irritating. Thanks. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 21:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Compliance. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Tak.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==If I may ask==<br />
Why do you insist on splitting hairs to the degree that you do? This is a serious question. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Enforceable precedent is the only thing that can guarantee consistent and fair treatment to users in this community. Given that the community has rejected the notion of making sysops into moderators time and again, ''someone'' has to remind everyone when these statutes are ignored.<br />
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:The constant interpretation of simple black and white rules and the inability of sysops to vote misconduct on textbook cases is a form of moderation. It is the changing or selective application of these policies without oversight or censure that is an insidious form of moderation. If a policy is wrong it should still be continued to be enforced until it is changed through the established channels. The resistance to this very simple process by the admin team whilst they continue their ways forces normal users to loudly point this out. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You misunderstand me. I agree with the premise that rules should be adhered to, but the degree to which you take it strikes me as... excessive. I mean, take [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_10#User:Iscariot|this example]]. Does it not seem to you that claiming the difference between using {{tl|s}} and <code><nowiki><s></nowiki></code> tags as being sufficient to make one legal and the other not is at all a little ridiculous? They both accomplish the same purpose, only in slightly differing visual ways. I don't think you're going to achieve a great deal apart from the loss of your own credibility in the eyes of most (I know you don't care about what most people think, but if you're serious about your goals then you're going to need other people on your side) and - if you insist on challenging rules in such silly little ways - perhaps even your bannage. <br />I would even go so far as to put it to you that you even lose out to the wording of the rules - there is a clause somewhere (which I can't be bothered finding, but you should know of it given the length of time you've been around) in the guidelines that allows sysops to go against the exact lettering of a rule if it means keeping to its spirit. I don't think any of the things you have accused any sysop of doing in recent times have been in contravention of any rule's spirit. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Normally the aren't different, but because the template specifically states the method that should be used it overrides that. If a sysop can't strike a vote correctly when the template telling them to do so is on the same page, how can the community trust them to be in charge of banning and deletions. Take my example about deletions, both function to remove the content, but because there is clear procedure about what a deletion means that takes precedence.<br />
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:::Credibility on this wiki is not something I'm concerned about frankly given the conduct of those on the administration team. The policy you quote can be found [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Guidelines_Rehashed#General_Conduct|here]]. The specific section is ''"Moderators, as trusted users of the wiki, are given the right to make judgment calls and use their best discretion on a case-by-case basis. Should the exact wording of the policies run contrary to a moderator's best good-faith judgment and/or the spirit of the policies, the exact wording may be ignored."'' There are two immediate problems with this sentence. Firstly the word 'moderators' is still in there. [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysops_are_not_Moderators|Policy]], that users took time to debate and vote on, from February 2007 clearly states that ''"Each official document ranging from the System Operator Guidelines to the Suggestions page would have any mention of Moderator replaced with System Operator, and Mod replaced with Sysop."'' Why has this not been done? Twenty months later and this simple maintenance, the raison d'etre of the sysop team has not been done. The second problem is the use of the words 'trusted users', sysops are no longer perceived to be trusted by the community in general, the meta community that is, how many more users do you think we'd have if that was changed?<br />
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:::As for changing the rules, again I don't think it'll allowed to happen by the admin team. Either they'll slander the user to Kevan [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Vote_Striking|until he uses his veto]] or they'll just remove the policy and [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_05#User:Jorm|take (or have someone else) take the author to A/VB]]. It won't happen and will kill this wiki as a community. It'll become an out of date former resource because the admin team wanted to act like Brainstock mods. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::That's the document that was voted on. [[A/G#General_Conduct|Here's]] the official policy document, which is "moderator" free. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 11:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's still an 'official document' is it not? Then according to the voted policy that should have also been changed. I did have a link to a different example which demonstrated the selectiveness in application of such changes by the admin team, but I appear to have lost it. I'll see if I can find it when I get off this work computer. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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So basically, that whole arbies case is being made because you're "rules lawyering" and because of a rule that technically isn't official in the way that people like it nowadays?--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 13:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Dunno, all I know is that Iscariot is normally pretty reasonable but acts very strange around the wiki. It confuses me to no end.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Arbies case==<br />
I've ruled on the case, head over and check it out.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hey, i've reduced the Southall groups down to one line, please make the entries fit into one line (for the sake of this we'll go on my monitor (17 inch, 180x1024). I'd do it but i'm not sure how to cut down the zookeepers entry or your one (the two that go over the one line measurement) so yeah. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Ahh scrap that, the templates on the right now. It's fine how it is. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning==<br />
This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am entitled to post here to inform you of it. Please do not unstrike your own struck votes from suggestions which have been struck as trolling votes by a sysop. Attempting to avoid this by claiming that it was blanked rather than struck does not distract from the fact that it was clearly a trolling vote that was removed by a sysop. Please do not repeat this behaviour as you may face a ban from the wiki. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yet another case of established guidelines not being followed by sysops. The process of a sysop strike is clearly different from a normal user blanking a vote, although Gnome may be a sysop he did not strike it in the correct manner meaning it cannot count as a sysop strike. It would be like a sysop removing all content from a page after receiving a deletion request and instead just removing all content from the page in question. Although functionally similar, they are demonstratively different in that any user could remove all content from a page (or blank a vote) but only a sysop can delete the page in question (or strike a vote).<br />
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:Enforcing the written and provable guidelines seems to be some sort of anathema to our current team of sysops. As shown above they instead decide to invent and twist these very simple to understand rules to persecute users that they are displeased with.<br />
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:I would debate this with you, but you have no right to reply here. That must really suck. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Arbies#St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese Arbies]==<br />
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I would ask that you make a decision as to whether or not the case is going forward, or drop the case entirely. It has gone a long time with no reply, and I wish to know it's status from the starter.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 21:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==[[A/D]]==<br />
Regarding your vote on several user redirect pages i have separated the case into individual cases, if you feel so inclined please recast your vote on each page relevant to how you feel about that particular redirect being kept on the wiki. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Monkey editing. ==<br />
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Wow. I got asked to join ages ago and i said i probably would. But then i found out how ridiculous the group was and just ignored it. Nice to see they've included me in my absence. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:53, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yep. I'm going to be nice and offer some wiki help, maybe point him at a firefox spellchecker. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:45, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== "Save Monroeville" Spam Vote ==<br />
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The premise for your spam vote on [[Suggestion:20081017 Save Monroeville]] is wrong; quoting the suggester, "''...every two months Monroeville restarts. Basically '''everyone's characters reset to lvl 1''' and all their skills and items removed. ''" No one will have their skills / experience carried over. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 21:42, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh wait, I just found the suggestions page of this suggestion; I thought it was deleted. I'll post this there. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 22:00, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Feel free to delete this. I'm not sure whether or not I'm allowed to delete it myself. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 02:19, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[A/A]]==<br />
Post your case, and please hurry it along a little, this shit be dragging out. Post as if you will have no more chances to convince me of your case.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:46, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[The_Perriam_Museum_(Judgewood)|the Perriam museum]]==<br />
Shamble down for a revive and [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/10-11-08_0000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_10-15__113-173-e29.html complete] [[Judgewood]]? <br><br />
:{{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:01, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Mrh? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::Revivificated. Oh, and can I be in the picture? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:18, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::If you stick around, I was at 8AP when I arrived, so it'll be tomorrow sometime if I'm online. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:34, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::I'm stuck. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 04:41, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::::Yay. Do you frequent NexusWar or any other IRC servers? Also, If you didn't see it, [[User:Dr_Cory_Bjornson/Sandbox/0|your progress]] summarised :d.. Good luck, {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 06:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::::I'm often on #rrf-ud on the Nexus War server to co-ordinate with my death cultist around 22:00 and 23:30 BST. You're following my progress? STALKER!! ;-) -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:48, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::::::I'll try and catch you there. Indeed. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 17:57, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm there. Are you? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:08, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::::::::Hm, Going to lecture at [[Malton College of Medicine]] after [[Quartly Library]]? I'll attempt to attend the completion ceremony. I suppose if a colleague were attend, that would be akin to multi abuse.. In which case two days to [[Roftwood]], Sounds like a film.. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 04:39, 25 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Where the hell did slavery allegations come from?==<br />
Anyway, about the suggestion. Yep it is a nerf to ruin, but i feel its also of benefit to ruin. Care to explain where ive gone wrong? (Please use the word asshat in your response.)--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:10, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''As Shat'''ner never said "Ransack is a two faceted skill". The ruin side (the byproduct of ransack, the destroyed building itself) has recently been buffed by the update, and most suggestions recently, including your own seek to modify this in some way. The other facet is the act of getting to this point, the conflict of clearing the building and damaging it. Your suggestion buffs the first facet whilst nerfing the second. It'll mean that zombies will now have to breach the cades, see off the actives, kill the harmans ''and'' then spend even more AP to gain the damage. Hordes like [[MOB]] or [[The Second Big Bash]] are obviously not going to even notice the difference, however the small feral groups of players who happen to be online at the same time and have a good run with the RNG against the cades are really going to notice this and suffer.<br />
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:It'll increase the possibility of zerging meatshielding (albeit in a tiny proportion) and re-increase mall centric play, which is something I'm against.<br />
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:The gamespace/realspace comparison I was making is obvious, compare a large 5 star hotel's interior space with that of a back street boozer, in game they both require the same amount of AP even though there is a huge difference in their areas. The notion that malls would require more AP to ransack did not appeal to me for this reason. I understand you needed to demonstrate a 'downside' in order for the suggestion to stand a hope of passing, but I thought you picked the wrong one.<br />
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:Don't get me wrong, it's not a ''bad'' or ''broken'' suggestion, it's just one I disagree with, resulting in one of my rare Kill votes rather than a Spam or Dupe. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:36, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks for an informed and reasoned response. Unlike Shatner's singing career.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:46, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==You is creating hostile work environment badz!==<br />
{{leia}}<br />
Why do I encourage you.... Tell me why? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:25, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Because you know I'm made of 100% pure unrefined awesome :D -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:51, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Must be midichlorians. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:37, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== policy note ==<br />
lets talk about this before it turns into an edit war. honestly I don't think it needs the note at all, seeing as how it has a handy link at the bottom leading to Category:Policy, and on said page it clearly states "This page is about in-game policies. For official wiki policies, see Category:Policy Documents". having the same info twice just seems redundant.--{{User:Blood Panther/Sig}} 00:35, 29 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I've done more thought on the matter, and I've realised I just don't care....so i put the message back. feel free to ignore/delete these comments.--{{User:Blood Panther/Sig}} 02:53, 29 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Recruitment ideas. ==<br />
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OK, ill go and have a word with the person who created [[The Great Suburb Group Massacre]]. Any idea how i find out who created that page? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:12, 28 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I forgot. It was me. What im asking myself about again? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:13, 28 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Come on Rosslessness, you know the rules of this page, put it in the right place next time.<br />
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::It was questioning whether or not there was a way of connecting the recruitment page and the group listings for each suburb page. Users could then update a timestamp and (optionally) post a recruitment add, keeping both the recruitment page and groups listings up to date. If it's possible it'll cut down on maintenance. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:36, 29 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot_and_The_Order_of_Philosophe_Knights_versus_Sarah_Aline_and_The_Upper_Left_Corner#Iscariot|Post here]]==<br />
When you're ready.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:36, 27 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[UZM]] revisions==<br />
Hi Iscariot, could you leave the page at my revision? If you go down to the zed list of groups you'll find it in there at the top. It actually makes more sense as it's directly connected with the group names, and it doesn't mess with the page design ... ie it looks better. Besides, wan's edit messes with the mod notice of grims which should remain as is. Cheers mate. --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 07:29, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Community page. "Looks" do not come into this. You have no 'ownership' claim to the page and must submit to the will of the wiki community. The edit in its status as Wan's edit is the prevailing community consensus. This is the overriding principle of the wiki.<br />
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:I thought you said you wanted a war? Anyway, your right to reply on any page in my name space is hereby revoked. You are not to edit any page or talk page that is preceded by 'User:Iscariot'. I do not want cheating, [[Extinction|zerging]] scum bags polluting my pages.<br />
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:Kind regards,<br />
:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 07:51, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::No worries, you guys are a riot. I'm fine with the disclaimer but will insist on leaving the mod notice as is and place the former where it belongs, right above the groups. As for scumbags well you sound like a third grader but that's what I've come to expect of the idiots that troll this wiki. You could of course just get a life instead. Cheers --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 14:49, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Bug Report==<br />
Just letting you know that I've responded to [[Bug Reports#Adding contacts/logged out/certain people|your bug report]], and that it is most likely a feature, not a bug. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:58, 17 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Cheers Revenant, I saw it the same day you responded. This was indeed the problem and following your advice, it has been fixed. Cheers. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:19, 19 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Recruitment page==<br />
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[[Category_talk:Recruitment#Please_revisit_the_.22large_group.22_rule|Care to comment?]] - [[User:Whitehouse]] 13:40, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[User:Soldier|Soldier]] and the [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad]]==<br />
===The Background===<br />
It is important to remember when reading this the difference between a player and their individual characters.<br />
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I, Iscariot, Patron Saint of Dupes, also maintain the Recruitment page. During routine maintenance I noticed an ad that broke the guidelines. Instead of removing it, as was my right, I decided to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASoldier&diff=1263121&oldid=1262320 inform the owner that they should correct their ad]. This user then decided to respond on my talk page with demands. I do not tolerate demands and responded appropriately.<br />
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===The Continuation===<br />
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=prev&oldid=1264220 Soldier then decided to respond ] to his disagreement with myself, the player, by listing one of my characters on his group's enemy and Kill On Sight list. He did not pick my death cultist that actively hurts the survivor cause, he chose to select my Philosophe Knight. For reference my Philosophe Knight is a pacifist, does not harm survivors and is actively moving through the entirety of Malton repairing museums and libraries. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=1268583&oldid=1268582 Over time he has added a threat rating] to the list in question and has listed my character as a 'Moderate' threat. That is on par with characters that have actually killed other survivors and higher than known and respected PKer group [[SillyLillyPilly]].<br />
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===An Act of Kindness===<br />
Instead of resolving the matter ingame with the murder of his entire group by my death cultist, I was forced to respond from the position of my Knight to avoid breaking the spirit of the anti-zerging rule. Accordingly I tried to be diplomatic and posted terms of surrender for Soldier to accept. Not only did he not agree to these terms, but the response he did give breached many of the terms.<br />
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===Resolution===<br />
Based on the subject's continued actions and attitudes, I am forced to allow my Philosophe Knight to judge him, and his group, based on the [[Philosophe_Knights/Policies|Articles of Ignorance]]<br />
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The subject is found guilty of the following crimes:<br />
:Class A<br />
::Slander<br />
:Class B<br />
::Ignorance<br />
The punishment for such crimes is clear. Repeated education by a Philosophe Knight educator or by an allied group.<br />
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The group is found guilty of:<br />
::[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Eric_bessette&diff=prev&oldid=1264397 Mass Hindrance]<br />
::Mass Slander<br />
The punishment for these crimes is also clear, addition to the Enemies of Enlightenment list and education on sight for all members<br />
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===The Knowledge===<br />
The following are known profiles of the criminals:<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1214138 Soldier]<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1324685 Zombie Hunter Recon]<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1345960 Reporter John]<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=prev&oldid=1267778 This edit also implies that SZES uses zerging tactics]<br />
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Their most likely location is [[The Murtaugh Motel]] in [[Penny Heights]]. They are known to restock in [[Giddings Mall]].<br />
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Other locations where they claim as territory are:<br />
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[[Lavor Alley School]] in [[Pitneybank]]<br />
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[[Haydon Auto Repair]] in [[Spicer Hills]]<br />
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[[The Piggott Building]] in [[Spicer Hills]]<br />
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They are known to frequent [[Wasteland 23,97]] in [[Spicer Hills]] as a revive point.<br />
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===In Summation===<br />
Soldier decided to select a non-combatant character to pick on due to a disagreement with that player's owner. He chose this character even though it is well known he is a pacifist and survivor orientated. By doing this Soldier reveals himself and his group as cowardly.<br />
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Soldier refused generous peaceful overtones and responded with hostile acts and words.<br />
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Soldier and his group have been judged enemies of enlightenment and will be added to the Philosophe Knight Kill On Sight list. Their names and profiles will be forwarded to all allied groups and organisations that the Philosophe Knights are associated with.<br />
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'''Soldier's right to reply is hereby revoked. He is no longer welcome to post on any page in Iscariot's namespace. Precedent in Vandal Banning shows that an individual posting on another's namespace after specifically being informed that they are unwelcome constitutes an act of vandalism. Any breach will be reported.'''<br />
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-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} for [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young|Damon Young, Knight of the Philosophe Order]] 20:49, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:"l0l 0wnt"? Loved the links. Also:<br />
:[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1348250 SZES Officer 01]<br />
:[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1348396 SZES Officer 02]<br />
:[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1351306 SZES Officer 03]<br />
: Sorry if you don't want comments posted under this header, {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 02:10, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::You have followed the page guidelines and provided great assistance, I approve of your post!<br />
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::It also helps prove the question of potential zerging I feel.<br />
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::-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:29, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::: I wanted to die after reading [[User:Soldier|his page]] x.o..<br />
::: "Avertizement"? Wot? Logs 15, 20, and 21? lawl. It's interesting and maddening, His Incoherency..<br />
:::: {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:42, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Cycling Suggestions==<br />
When cycling suggestions, do not remove anything from the top, nor the SugVoteBox template from the voting section. Navigation is just as useful after closing than before it, and the SugVoteBox template keeps the page in Category:Suggestion Pages. Just add the template to the top and remove the things from the bottom. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 10:53, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I have no idea who did it right or wrong first or last, I just made sure it's done right THIS time. Add the template, and delete everything below the last vote. Every time. Period. And no one will complain. Or shouldn't. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:28, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::I remove everything below the last spam when I cycle suggestions, but I don't bother removing the horizontal line if someone left it there. The most important thing here is not to delete {{tl|SugVoteBox}}. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 13:28, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::That shouldn't be getting deleted because it's not at the top or the bottom of the page: the only places that need to be touched when cycling... Now, I honestly thought you knew how to do this, Iscariot. Probably just an oversight, I'll stop harassing you on your Talk page now! ;) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:44, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Apology ==<br />
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Okay, I forgive. And just for your sake I will not report about you. But under one rule: If you made a threat to my group or any of my allies' groups, I will had to declare war on your group! And to prove that I'm serious about this, you have 48 Hours to accept my appolgy. Failure would be, I don't know won't be tolerated. So to make a long story short I'm sorry and promise to stop making threats.<br />
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-- [[User:Soldier|Soldier]] 23:51, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Recruitment problem Fixed ==<br />
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Okay, I've fixed it by removing it. I admit that the flag looks like it has been made by a 8 year old. But I have to warn you, if you insult me at anything else even I don't care I had to report about it. You're lucky I don't know how but insulting will not be tolerated the second time.<br />
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-- [[User:Soldier|Soldier]] 19:29, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Firstly, fuck off! Don't bring demands to my page retard.<br />
:Secondly, go right to Vandal Banning, there's a link above. They'll also tell you to fuck right off, there is no civility policy on this wiki. Grow up.<br />
:Thirdly, read the fucking rules crotch spawn, it's not like I put them at the top so window lickers like you would be able to find them.<br />
:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:37, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Behold everyone, the stupidity of this moron!<br />
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::He dislikes my response so goes to his group page and lists [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=prev&oldid=1264220 one of my characters as a 'Psycopath'] (evidently English wasn't his best subject in school, nor was using a spell checker).<br />
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::Did he list [[User:Iscariot/Cliff_Spab|my dastardly death cultist]], a member of the renowned [[Gore Corps]]? No, this idiot decides to list my [[Philosophe Knights|Philosophe Knight]], yes, that would be the same character known to groups all over Malton as someone known for [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|rebuilding Malton and preserving knowledge]]. It's not like it says on his page that he's a pacifist or anything. Picking on a peaceful librarian, how brave of the mighty [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad]].<br />
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::It would be wrong of me to use my death cultist to shoot him for his blatant stupidity, that would be [[zerging]]. Accordingly I'll have to respond from the view of my Philosophe Knight. He doesn't shoot people, so, what shall I do?<br />
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::This idiot has 48 hours from the time of this post to write a grovelling and sincere apology and post it on this page. This apology is to be perfect in its spelling and grammar. He is also to remove my listing from his group's page permanently. The place of my listing is to be taken by an apology directed at every reader of his page apologising for his poor spelling and grammar and continued acts of stupidity on this wiki. This apology is to remain in place for three months.<br />
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::Failure to comply with this benevolent compromise will result in the following action<nowiki>:</nowiki><br />
:::'''1.''' He and his group shall be added to the Philosophe Knights' enemy list. Every Knight coming across himself or his group will execute on site. Unlike the [[Rogues_Gallery_%28Brainstock%29|Rogue's Gallery]], there is no way off this list.<br />
:::'''2.''' The names and profiles of his group shall be passed to all [[Player Killer]] groups allied with the Philosophe Knights. These groups include the [[Spartans]], [[Lebende Tote]] and the [[Flowers of Disease]] amongst others. I trust the consequences are obvious.<br />
:::'''3.''' As before, names and profiles will be passed to the [[PKA]] so that all member groups can add to their target lists. As various groups are in the middle of two large events, the [[Malton Uprising]] and the [[Red_Rum/PK_Olympics|Player Killer Olympics]], this means that idiot boy and his group won't have many hiding places at all.<br />
:::'''4.''' All survivor groups allied with the Philosophe Knights will be asked to restrict aid and contact to this group. Such venerable organisations that would be approached include the [[Quartly Study Group]], [[The Fortress]] and the [[MCM|Malton College of Medicine]].<br />
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::I'd advise against 'fighting back'. The last group that tried fighting a [[Imperium Must Die|PK coalition]] suffered [[Invasion of Gibsonton|crushing defeat and humiliation]].<br />
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::-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:04, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::Who is this fool? Why does he commit the crime of slander so freely?--{{User:DT/Signature}} 21:39, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|The Culture Tour 2008]]==<br />
Hello, is there anyway assist in anyway on your humble [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|quest]]?<br />
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Since I see the suburbs left are, According a [[Suburbs|map]], derelict, You might care for an extra hand?<br />
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As a sidenote, I've been considering attempting to join the [[Philosophe Knights]].<br />
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{{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 02:59, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:All vetting of potential applicants for the Order takes place on our forum. You can login with 'The Visitor' account and apply for membership for one of your characters.<br />
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:Given that you may consider entry into the group at some point in the near future, being conscious of the spirit of the zerging rules, I must respectfully decline your offer of aid. Even accidentally I, nor the Order, do not not run the risk of multiple alt abuse ever.<br />
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:However, do feel free to follow the progress of the tour and attend the completion celebration at [[Quartly Library]] at the conclusion of my odyssey.<br />
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:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:32, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Would you accept a revive? Also, [[Dakerstown]] is survivor held, Atleast in some capacity. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 00:43, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::I accept random revives all the time, feel free. My next target is Eastonwood, I have intelligence that some of our allied survivor groups have been repairing in that area. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:48, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::Alright, That isn't a large deviation of my course to [[Dakerstown]], After I finish dispatching this [[Zombie|breach]] at [[Southall Mansion]].. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::With your last two postings, 11/9/08 and 12/9/08, Would you accept assistance at this point? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:31, 14 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::I will accept any assistance anyone can give me based on publicly available information. I would however still urge you to join the Order, or perhaps one of our affiliated or allied groups. Malton College of Medicine perhaps? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:21, 19 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Internal Header==<br />
Whats an internal header?<br />
:OK, for starters, sign your posts, put <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your post to do this.<br />
:Secondly internal headers are the sections surrounded by equals signs. They create a link from the contents box at the top. If you use more than the current section it is in you create an internal section of the preceding one. Such headers are banned from recruitment ads as they screw up the page by doing this. This is why I removed your ad, am about to do it again and will continue to do so for as long they remain in there. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:40, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==My 'brainstorming' page==<br />
Since almost every person who ever voted on one of my suggestions ever has been complaining that I've come up with nothing but crap, I created [[User:Blake_Firedancer/Developing_Suggestions|this brainstorming page]] for me to develop ideas before I put them on Talk:Suggestions. I've got a couple of ideas up there already, and some feedback would be appreciated. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 11:46, 22 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Why dont you tell me what I did wrong?==<br />
When I added the M-BEK pages you deleted it. Im no expert on it and im sure alot of people are so maybe you can help me cause you seem to know what youre doing.--{{User:Doctor Oberman/sig}} 17:40, 17 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:All ads on the recruitment page must conform to the standards set out clearly at the beginning of the page. One of these criteria is that no ad should have any internal headers of any kind. Any ad that does not conform to the guidelines can be deleted immediately. Yours was. <br />
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:If you'll notice, I did put the reasoning in the edit summary. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:51, 17 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Problem with the recrutment Page==<br />
Hi - when I went on to update the timestamp on my recrutment advert I noticed that it was centre allingned. Upon closer inspection I found that everything from the '''C''' section onwards was centre aligned (which I know isnt suppose to be). It appears that "Cheap Ass Survivors : Pro-Survivor" groups recrutment adverticment is whats causeing it. I would sort it myself but I dont want to change anything incase I make a mistake or incase you need permission to edit peoples recrutments (I dont want to get into any trouble) - this is the reason I came to you. I know that you moniter and keep the recrutment page upto date so could you please have a look at it and see if it can be fixed. Many thanks in advance --[[User:Feon Kensai|Feon Kensai]] 10:19, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:No-one needs permission to alter any advert that is breaking any of the guidelines or is breaking the page. I've had a look at the page and ad in question and can't see anything wrong. It might just be the way my screen's set up so I'll get Whitehouse to have a look. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:34, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::No error in your browser, we were just looking at the wrong ad. If you look at the "C" header it was also centre aligned, as such it must have been the last ad in "B" section causing the "C" header and subsequent articles to centre. Appears that Browncoats recruitment ad hadn't closed their tags, causing articles below them to be included as part of their table and as such centred. Fixed now. [[User:Whitehouse]] 18:26, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Cheers dude, I suck at wiki formatting so I thought you'd be able to pick up on it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:31, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==deleted my ad==<br />
i was wondering y you deleted my ad and i request that you dont do it again or i will report you.<br />
--[[User:Fanglord2|Fanglord2]] 15:48, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:He would have deleted your ad because it was out of date. When the timestamp is two weeks old, the ad is removed. He's done nothing wrong. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:49, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::y would he do that i never knew were were supposed to restamp it?--[[User:Fanglord2|Fanglord2]] 15:51, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::'''After two weeks as measured from the timestamp the entire advert may be removed for inactivity / non-compliance. It is the group’s responsibility to update the timestamp to avoid having the advertisement deleted.'' <--- It says that at the top of the page in the guidelines. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:53, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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oh ok sorry my Apologys i reupdated it.--[[User:Fanglord2|Fanglord2]] 15:57, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Don't look a gift horse in the template==<br />
{{iscariot}}<br />
It's a shame that George Carlin had to <s>die</s> have a terminal episode for me to come up with this template Play on Names. I just didn't want to make one with a bible picture for you. Too obvious. This is much better. Enjoy. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:45, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Please go to http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Deletions and vote Keep so that the Grimch doesn't try to delete the template I made for you (and others). Thank you. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 13:06, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Your services are required==<br />
OK. There's a couple of my suggestions on the Talk:Suggestions page that are getting some good feedback, but before I progress with them any further, I want you to check to see if they're duplicates. Honestly, I'm useless at finding dupes as I can never really figure out where exactly to look for 'em.<br />
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You, on the other hand, seem to be pulling dupes left, right, centre and any other direction one can think of. So, I would like you to search for dupes for my suggestions, to see if they should go up to Suggestions.<br />
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[[Talk:Suggestions#Generator_Efficiency|Find the dupe #1!]]<br />
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[[Talk:Suggestions#Mega-Syringes|Find the dupe #2!]]<br />
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Thank you in advance --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 13:32, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'm rushed off my feet with the real world at the moment, so you'll forgive me for not finding the exact links.<br />
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::::Number one (Going on the current 2.0 version on the linked page). This isn't ''a'' suggestion, this is several. That's going to get it killed as a suggestion from the start. Anyone who dislikes any aspect of the many things you are trying to implement is going to kill the whole thing on that basis.<br />
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::::The tuning of generators to run longer (with and without a prerequisite skill) has been done before. It was generally shot down due to the massive factor of the AP balance already in favour of survivors. This will get shot down for the same reason and by trenchies who don't want PKers lighting up their Fortresses of Eternal Darkness for longer to shoot them.<br />
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::::Number two (Going on the current suggested version). The notion of using that survivor's DNA is complex, as well as an open opportunity for zergers to have syringe mules specifically for themselves. Having it cure infection is what's going to get this spammed to death though due to the bigger implications. It means infection is no longer a problem, survivors no longer have to expend APs and revives holding malls and hospitals, this will cause an almost game breaking swing in AP balance from the current pro survivor to ''massively'' pro survivor. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:07, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Rumor is Iscariot gained his dupe-finding abilities because while on a field trip, he was bitten by a radioactive dupe, and now he has the superpower of being able to find them with a special 'Dupe Sense' --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 16:50, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Actually I use a special superpower call "Common Sense" when it comes to dupes. It works very well.<br />
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::I was once bitten by a radioactive redhead....that was fun :) -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:07, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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==RE: The Recruitment Page ==<br />
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I think I cleared up the mess. I used the last revision by you as a basis, then added all the correct changes to that. The only ad I forgot to put back in was the DK one which I'll do now (without destroying the page). - [[User:Whitehouse]] 13:34, 23 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Torches==<br />
Seriously - I want to know.<br><br />
If they call flashlights torches (first successfully commercially produced by Everready in 1899), what do our Brit friends across the puddle call a torch (the fiery kind)?<br><br />
Tell me Tell me Tell me! I need to know now. This question tortures my mind now. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 14:29, 29 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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Flame torches are called torches, flashlights are called Electric torches. Answer your question?--[[User:JustAnotherWebSurfer|PX]] 22:11, 8 September (BST)<br />
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==Talk:Suggestions==<br />
You know I wrote the guidlines for that page right? The intent was for suggestions to be removed once discussion had ceased, the 5 days thing is just to be sure it really is dead, when the author themselves say they have no intention of continuing the discussion the suggestion can and should be removed.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:33, 27 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Great(!) More rules written one way and then acted on by sysops in a completely different manner. That's just what this wiki needs. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:43, 27 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Your Keep on Triangulation==<br />
'''''Keep''''' - ''This is a dupe, but I like innocent bystanders being murdered, so if someone wants to dupe it they can go find the link themselves. -- Iscariot BB2 PK WTE 18:34, 25 May 2008 (BST)'' - This cracked me up for 2 reasons. (1) it's the second time I've ever seen you vote keep on anything (first time voting keep on something which will actually pass), and (2) the keep reasoning is hilarious :) --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:48, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:I'm actually waiting someone to whine and take me to A/VB for it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:53, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Not so sure they will - like I said I think this was more about trying to 'get me' than about the structure by which I rsepond to incredibly long winded posts on my user page. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 19:14, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I meant for the keep vote. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:23, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::That would be hilarious too. People are way anal about the wiki --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 19:55, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==That Crucifix thing==<br />
Wow... you've never voted keep on a single idea of mine and even I've never had that sort of animosity towards you. There some underlying history between the two of you, like there is with me and some members of the Malton Globetrotters? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:31, 24 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:I tend not to have animosity towards people in general. While I may think certain ideas are bad, it has no bearing on my view of the people making them. However, the hypocrisy of religious dogma gets to me, as do cheating scumbags. That moron is proven to have created alts on the wiki to try and force suggestions through. Accordingly I hope he fucks off and dies. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:36, 24 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::How did they prove he created them? Just curious, because no one's been able to find out who created the stupid sock puppets that ruined my nailgun suggestion. Which I'm still annoyed about. I'm probably going to be holding off on bringing nailgun v2.0 to a vote until the zombie population rises a bit. Can't really make weapon suggestions when the survivor population is doing better - it's self-defeating. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:47, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::[[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_04#User:Gabdewulf|Proof here]]. There are all sorts of screens and buttons that sysops get to check these things. Send your suggestion up, remember PR actually means nothing, Ankle Grab came from rejected. I'd also like to point out the current stats and the lack of whining from 'my side' as opposed to the amount of whining from 'your side' when the situation was reversed. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:53, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Not that I'm implying that The Dead are 'your side' but they did quite a bit of kvetching. And there was that whole 'On Strike' thing that I've heard a lot about (though it was long before my time). I do agree that survivors acting like trenchies are far more likely to whine than zombies acting like griefers are likely to whine (again - I'm not calling you a griefer, I'm talking about the extremes on both sides). In any case, it's a moot point. I've been playing zombies lately more than survivors, despite my wiki stance, and I think I know which of my alts I am going to turn PKer. Just need to wait until work eases up a bit so I can have time to post on the forums to get advice. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 14:33, 29 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Giddings Mall Page==<br />
Please stop edit warring and take the issue to Arbitration. I'm leaving the page protected until the case begins so get a move on. This has gone on way too long. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:38, 17 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Get off your high horse. Just looking into the History, I can see at least 3 occasions of you being involved in the edit warring. I've put the above comment on because you were one of the 3 involved in it, and protected the page to stop the other two going at it when they come back on. Stop moaning. I'm not picking on you. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:53, 17 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Sorry Sir==<br />
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Hi Iscariot, sorry about my "impersonation" of you, which, while related to temporary feelings of anger at being called a retard, also had a lot to do with a misunderstanding of site policy and a sudden joyous power trip realization of the kinda crap you can get away with over the internet (that suggestion was my first wiki edit evar!) Anyway, I won't do it again even if you severely piss me off, and I hope there's no hard feelings. See you round the wiki ---[[user:Pac8s|Pac8s]]<br />
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BTW, I really like your alternate server idea, although it seems really complex to put into action of course. Do you have resources to do it, or are you talking to anybody about it? Obviously people object to sweeping changes of the existing Malton map, but I agree with you that Urban Dead is really far from feeling in-genre, and I think alternate cities are an excellent solution to that problem. --[[User:Pac8s|Pac8s]] 02:27, 18 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I do not have any resources to do it, computing is witchcraft to me. The development on version 2.0 stopped after it went on the suggestions page for comment. It really needs version 3.0 doing due to the Monroeville lessons, just I can't be bothered. I have another idea for an alternate server, but....can't be arsed. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:18, 20 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Moderation ==<br />
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cuntdrama was perma banned as a vandal, that's why his comment was removed. Do not revert. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 00:13, 15 May 2008<br />
:#Read the rules of the fucking page, it's not like I put them at the top or anything....<br />
:#Who banned him? And who made the report? And who ruled on that? You better hope I don't find the answer I suspect I'm going to find or you can go ahead and write your next misconduct case yourself. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:18, 15 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Are you tripping on shrooms kiddo ? First of all, yeah it was me the one who banned him. His user name was a offensive towards a established user from this community, that alone is reason to ban him. Would you like us to take lightly on a Shitcariot user who were only harrasing every edit you make ? He also posted a goatse picture in the wiki, you think that's good faith ? He even dedicated it to conn. Now... put your gun where your mouth is, or STFU... i dont need an ass threatening me every time i do my job in here. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 00:27, 15 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Actually, I think he'd just laugh if somebody named themselves shitcariot. It'd be funny if you asked me. I wish I had a vandal named after me...--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:36, 15 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Pooicidal angel? Shagnat? Smelita? Twitscariot? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 14:37, 29 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==OOooOO!==<br />
Is Santlerville the only burb in Malty with no librarys or museums? Or are you boycotting for some other reason? And why doesn't the tour include schools?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:01, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unless you can show me otherwise, or I've missed something (possible given the speed with which I made that list) then I believe that [[Santlerville]] is the only [[suburb]] that doesn't play host to a [[library]] or [[museum]]. No wonder the population spend most of their time drunk....<br />
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:I've been meaning to go ask the Beavers for suggestions for an alternative location to visit in order to include Santlerville in the tour.<br />
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:I deliberately kept schools out due to the nature of the school system and teachers to sour peoples' attitudes to education and self betterment. I still need to get confirmation on the layouts of the mansions, studies and libraries there will also be included, but the wiki seems to be lacking. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:08, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yeah i can't think of one of the top of my head. Us Santlervillians are more the [[Dowdney Mall|shopping]] and drinking type, although we are also quite [[St. Emelia's Church (Santlerville)|religious]] and don't like to travel, with only one railway station in the suburb. [[The Sweatman Motel]] is a great place to go if you're looking to expand your mind. If you didn't think one person being twenty people was possible, just check the pavement outside The Sweatman, it's mind blowing.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:04, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Recruitment Removal==<br />
Hi - I know that yesterday you removed the Deck of 52 recrutment post. I need you to tell me what the date on the time stamp said please because I think I may have made a mistake with timing/schedual for when Im to update the timestamp - can you please get back to me on this and help me out - THANKS in advnace --[[User:Feon Kensai|Feon Kensai]] 16:28, 2 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Thank you for your time a quick responce - I guess I got my timing wrong LOL (will up date it weekly now) - I promiss this wont happen again and sorry. I have to commend you for your quick action of keeping the recrutment page up to date though ;) - nicly done. Thanks again for your time - you helped a lot (I have a bad memmory). Cya around. <br />
P.S: Sorry I put this subject at the bottom of the talk page :( - I will pay more attention next time --[[User:Feon Kensai|Feon Kensai]] 13:46, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==They're asking questions==<br />
Over [[User Talk:Hagnat|here]], just thought you should know *nods and walks off* --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:50, 26 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes indeed. It struck me as curious that despite being inactive for two months, you were able to check the PK forum nearly every day. That's why I sent you the private message earlier. (Also because my job as the PK's on-duty librarian is in part to maintain the active member lists and other information in the library reference collection, and I was trying to figure out how to place you.) -- {{User:VI/signature}} 00:43, 30 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Ha ha ha! That's hilarious. And to think I've been totally confused all this time. I've seen the sort of window-thing you're talking about before, so I know what you mean. Anyway, sorry about bothering you. Spies are no threat at all to the Knights, but I keep my eyes open regardless, partially because it's fun to find them, and partially because having a the PK riddled with spies would sort of destroy our reputation as mysterious and esoteric. -- {{User:VI/signature}} 00:50, 30 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::I look forward to it. It seems you have your work quite out out too, what with the state of things these days. Praise Knowledge, as they say. -- {{User:VI/signature}}00:57, 30 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Our Talk==<br />
Iscariot, I think we should continue our talk in your page instead of in Gab's since it no longer has anything to do with anything he was saying :)<br />
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What did you mean by me being a bad luck charm since one of my characters tends to be in the Buttonville area? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 00:21, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Feel free to move the whole thing over here so it doesn't clutter his page.<br />
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:You? Bad luck? [http://www.barhah.com/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=9846&sid=490b22c469d9ad8730cf43e3a4860f40&start=15#p152753 Have you read the Zombie forecast?] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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You said: "''Somebody'' has to speak up for zombies on that page otherwise we'd have survivors in mechs. My 'PKer' doesn't kill anyone, and is actually on a tour to visit and repair buildings... yeah, he helps zombies ....:P<br />
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I think you're confusing pure DCing with other things, however you are definitely misunderstanding what I mean by fun! ;) -- Iscariot"<br />
Oh I have no problem with you sticking up for zombies. I actually like when you point out dupes for me so that I don't make a fool of myself in Suggestions. And the comment you made about letting zombies use sledgehammers I think got me a few keep votes when I made sure to make it clear that zombies -can- use sledgehammers. <br />
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:Dupes are easy to point out, just waste some time on the old suggestions. I still don't like that sledgehammer suggestion, but with support like that it's a bit pointless bothering. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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I realize that right now I am basically a pro-survivor suggester (although my not enough shotgun suggestion was definitely not pro-survivor), but that's only because I started playing the game right when The Dead started playing so I have a certain view of things. I do try to make my suggestions balanced though... you never see me suggesting mechs or machine guns or flamethrowers, now do you. <br />
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:There's nothing wrong with being prosurvivor, there's something wrong with being trenchie, you don't want to do that. Go hang out with the classy survivors at Beerhah. You'll notice that the majority also have zombie alts.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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And if you're a PKer who kills for some actual purpose, rather than wanting to make people who take the game tooooo seriously cry, then I commend you :) <br />
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:Don't kill people full stop. Complete pacifist, wearing the garb and group tag of one of the oldest and well known PK groups in the city. That's fun. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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Actually, my favorite PKer group is Red Rum - I actually have considered making a PKer character and seeing if I could join them. They're one of the few PK groups I've seen who actually look fun. <br />
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:Convert one of your current survivors, it's hell if you start PKing from level 1. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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I just don't find that playing my zombie would be fun if I was being total zombie/Death Cultist, at least while the Dead are on the march. I'd feel like I'm taking advantage of a bunch of cheaters being currently in the game. Even though that wouldn't make me a cheater, i'd feel like one by association. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 00:21, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Some people, even career zombies, don't like DCing. TBH I only use it as a label for shorthand, I've been working on a philosophy of something very different for a potential new group. Playing a zombie doesn't mean you have to associate with The Dead. I recommend RRF or MOB, I know people in both (as well as a few other hordes) and they'll look after you and make you smile in ways you didn't think possible in this game (see Zoey and I singing and dancing in the middle of a safehouse being destroyed). Once you have a zombie alt, you'll realise where the fun is in this game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==RE:Recruitment==<br />
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Hey, I'm no longer looking after that page. Had to give it up to deal with real life stuff. It'd be great if you'd be willing to keep it tidy. - [[User:Whitehouse|W]] 23:40, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:14 days and out is correct. I used to edit out ads that had minor flaws (using <nowiki><!-- / --></nowiki>), and I'd delete ads which breached the major rules. Either way works, you should leave a dated comment under the removed ads header explaining what was wrong. If they don't do anything within two weeks of your comment, just remove the header. Good luck. - [[User:Whitehouse|W]] 23:53, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Can I pick your mind?==<br />
Hey, I was reading on the posts and you seem to know every dupe ever posted so could I question you on those grounds?[[User:Gabdewulf|Gabdewulf]] 04:39, 21 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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A Zombie respawn, basically when a zombie is killed, they stand up somewhere other than where they were killed, has been already been suggested, right?. Do you remember where or when?<br />
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Also, walls or other means of limiting travel and zombie's human memories of building names, what kind of suggestions have been brought about these? [[User:Gabdewulf|Gabdewulf]] 16:44, 21 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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My focus is strictly on Malton. I didn't get into Monroeville because it seemed purely temporary. <br />
:Yes it was always designed to be temporary.<br />
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While, yes, low levels zombies have to spend a sizeable chunk of the current game day standing up, how many days of game play are lost by pro-suriviors when thier killed? A pro-surivior has to stand up, travel to a rp, and wait and hope that someone is reviving. Also with the current state of the city, a great many of the RP are abandoned. As far as time goes, pro-surivior suffer higher penalties for getting back in the action after death even when compared to a zombie being head shotted every single day. Because at the very least, a zombie gets to play thier character every single day.<br />
:You don't have to just go be a mrh? cow at a RP, you could scout, move about, decade overcaded buildings.<br />
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Also, its been my experience that very few low level zombies worry about the 2ap traveling by zking, unless maybe thier a meat shield, to get the early skills.<br />
:2AP to move hurts, a lot. Also ZKing cuts your XP gain in half, and remaining stationery broadcasts your position to trenchies who then headshot you for more AP loss.<br />
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Creedy fell cus the zombies focused on the fort, while the defenders focused on the nieghborgood. And, even with the entire neighborhood's buildings being pretty heavily secured, the zombies just strolled past and started the seige on the fort. And this is the agruement for walls/movement and/or removal of bulding names. The repeated pattern seems the mass of zombies skiping into green neighborhoods, destroying the resource buildings with meat shield tactics, and letting lower levels finish the suriviors. <br />
:Erm, no. Creedy fell because forts are death traps. The Bash used the same tactics against a mall and were stuck for two weeks. I should know, I was there. Zombies are ''supposed'' to go into green suburbs and eat everyone, that's the point of a zombie apocalypse. You are evidently confusing meat shielding tactics with something else, meat shielding is a survivor tactic. Allowing low levels to gain the kill bonus is entirely legal, survivors could do the same if they got organised.<br />
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But even with the current numbers of s/z, the survivours are being crowded into a smaller area. The majority of the city is at the red level and kept there by alts so the survivours can't escape. The overcrowding causes survivours search rate to increasingly reduce, which will cause the city to shrink further. What happends when the zombies finish destroying the city? How many players will/have left by then?<br />
:What search rates are you on about? Search rates are at the highest they've ever been since I started playing the game. I remember when it took a week to stock up on ammo. I do that now in a day.<br />
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And the agruement about zombie player being a minority is that zombie player, when revive, are PKing. When surivours die, they either zombie or are waiting to revive. [[User:Gabdewulf|gabdewulf]] 22:56, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your point? Also, not all zombies PK, the major hordes actually have rules against it. There should be a downside to dying as a survivor, otherwise everyone would have instant revives and we'd be playing Urban PK. And how are you having trouble finding a revive? I have The Big Bash in my group heading and have no problems. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:11, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Hey Iscariot? ==<br />
Hope you realize that I don't actually hold anything against you personally, despite that we might have... spirited... arguments and debates on talk:discussion, k?<br />
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Oh and 28 days later is a hard science fiction zombie movie, and zombies are dead, not undead. :) --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 20:36, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:If you think those are spirited arguments then you live a very sheltered life <nowiki>:P</nowiki><br />
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:Zombies are undead, dead things don't move around, zombies do. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:45, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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(gasp) Iscariot.... Are you... are you no longer the ultimate dupe finding machine? Gatehouse View? I rely on your counsel in all matters dupe-finding! :) Or did you not feel that was a dupe because of the lack of suicide ability? Did you fail me because I haven't gotten you the Doomsday girl yet - I'm trying, I swear. She isn't returning any of the calls. Thanks :) --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 15:09, 22 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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:You doubt me? The Patron Saint of Dupes? I shall smite thee with terrible vengeance and furious spamming, and ye shall know that I am Iscariot!<br />
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:I've had a busy week at work and most of my spare time has been spent watching Jericho. It's also a dupe of something in PR, I don't go there by and large, it's full of either sensible ideas, or ones more retarded than the ones in Rejected. Yes, keep working on my pretty thing, you aren't trying hard enough. :P You may substitute Cristina Scabbia if that's easier for you. <br />
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:On the subject of films, the new Indiana Jones is ''god awful'', avoid at all costs. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:29, 24 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Group Deletion ==<br />
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Hey. We no longer delete defunt group pages. As long as no one claims that name for themselves, these group pages can stay there forever. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 20:02, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Re: Keep Votes==<br />
There is a small box next to the votes that says:<br/><br />
''Votes must be numbered, justified, signed, and timestamped. Votes that do not conform to the above may be struck by any user.''<br/><br />
No matter if it's a keep, kill or spam, "THIS GIVES ME A GIRLBONER" doesn't really count as a justification and (as I also put in my reasoning) inane. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 19:54, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Mall Tunes==<br />
Hey Iscariot, I realize that this has been an issue in the past, but is there any way that we could keep the Mall Tunes section on the giddings page?[[User:William Joel|William Joel]] 21:07, 13 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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are you refering to the whole happykook thing?[[User:William Joel|William Joel]] 00:19, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Ok you win==<br />
I am not going to post anymore on the Bayonet Suggestion. Reading back over everything I think I have been too defensive. So, I came here to say I was sorry. I was incorrect that a "blood groove" assists in the removal of a bayonet from a target. Ok, I was wrong. It is there to reduce the weight of the blade. I am not looking to have problems with you, so I am dropping this issue. As I see it, we had a difference of opinions and that is it. From here on out, I have no issues with you. --{{:User:Airborne88/sig}} 01:26, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Thanks!==<br />
That little rat is sooo cute! And thanks for the message =) That video is hilarious, Rex Manning....total douchebag! Actually, kinda reminds me of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbk6kExKf2Q Gunther], ooooh you touch my tra la la --[[User:Fifth Element|Fifth Element]] 09:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Monroeville==<br />
Dear Iscariot , first i would like to thank you for fixing the PPD wiki page. I'm a newbie when it comes to editing the pages but am trying my best . Concerning the target list for WTE our scouts have been in certain areas witnessing and takeing survivor evidence of attacks . I ADMIT we have no proof of it being you guys . It has been speculation so far, as you guys are the most organized in this burb. Concerning this and pov, i will try and tone down the messages left on the burb page . But if you'd like to just tell us where you are to confirm our sightings we will gladly bring donuts ,coffee and little tents for when you are sieging buildings .Hope to keep in touch.--[[User:Flub|Flub]] 13:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC) <br />
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==Your arby against happykook==<br />
please, plenty of arbitrators hav offered to arbitrate your case. Please, list all those whom you would agree to arbitrate the case. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 23:03, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:yeah, totally missed it. Next time move the arbitration to the proper page once you have decided on an arbitrator. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 23:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The case has started. Please prepare your opening statement.--{{User:Seventythree/Sig}} 09:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Giddings==<br />
I've locked the page to stop the revert war that has sprung up and I request that you and Happykook take the matter to arbitration to sort this out. Until it is sorted, after I unlock the page, neither of you is to restore or remove the tunes until a ruling is reached on the matter. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'm going to ask that you leave Happykooks edits alone for just now. I don't want this to boil over. Please could one of you bring an arby case so we can begin getting this mess sorted out. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Please leave his edit to the Danger Report stand for now. This needs to be sorted out as I can tell that if it's not, this is going to turn into an all out flame war, which we really don't need. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I know. I'm asking this so that we can avoid name calling and accusations for the time being. Could one of you please make an Arby case so that an arbitrator can get this sorted out. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You have been served an Arbitration Case by Happykook. I personally will be willing to arbitrate (if you are willing) as I have a clear knowledge of the case and know the grievances of both sides. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:You'll need to pick another arbitrator as Karek has withdrawn an offer. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Aye I'm off the table, however I do recommend you reconsider both Hagnat and Seventythree, they are two users that I would trust to arbitrate a case I'm involved in and I have little doubt they would attempt to settle the dispute in a neutral and proper manner.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Have a template==<br />
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{{Template:Killitforward}}<br />
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Thought Id return the favour. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Damn the Man! ==<br />
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are you perhaps an Empire fan? ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:'shock me shock me shock me with that consistent behaviour'. you said it regarding survivors voting on some suggestion... :P good to find a fellow lover. There's a complete script someone on the net that i occasionally flick through just to amuse myself. We should def get an empire template going...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah i used to think that SexyRexy was named after THE sexy rexy, not some random nfl player...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Empire Records}}<br />
:::And don't thank me, thank [[User:Fifth Element|Gina]] ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==More A/VB==<br />
A few points:<br />
#Sign your posts<br />
#Present accurate diff comparisons. Skipping revisions in diffs without providing a damned good explaination as to why is extremely deceptive and is usually an attempt to get another person in trouble for impersonation when none has happened.<br />
#A/VB is not for asking about things. Go to the talk page of another sysop, or the A/VB '''talk page''' to make requests, otherwise it will be seen as a charge and dealt with appropriately. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 16:59, 6 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==A/VB==<br />
"''I'm asking for nothing short of a perma-ban.''"... seeing we didn't permban him, does that mean you refuse to accept the warning? ;) Just a little tip, don't tell the sysops what their decisions should be, or you'll end up being called a back seat mod. BTW, what's happening with the arby case? Chimera gone into hiding or summit? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 08:20 31 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:It was late over here, and in typical zed style I was eating harmans and washing it down with a brew of known provenance (Caffery's if you're interested). I just hate sore losers who go for juvenile insults when they've got nothing else. Did you see us doing the same when the Bash stalled? <br />
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:I haven't heard anything from Chimera, I shall check the precedent in such circumstance tonight and try and get this moving again. -- [[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] 15:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Arbitration==<br />
Thanks for your message. I am a new wiki user, and I am totally unfamiliar with the arbitration process. Could you possibly provide a little guidance for me? I'm not sure where to find the rules and policies. I'm also not sure how I'm supposed to go about choosing the best arbitrator, for all I have to go on right now are user profiles. Is there a way for me to access their past decisions? Thanks! --[[User:Chimera|Chimera]] 20:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Looks like Chimera has accepted you, as have I <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:08 25 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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==Sorry.==<br />
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I was looking at those proposals, really liked what I saw, but was put off by the bad use of punctuation. As such, I corrected them in order to make the page look more presentable. I was unaware that this was considered vandalism, and therefore apologise for my actions. [[User:Magnum Odus|Magnum Odus]] 00:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Thanks for the rat! ==<br />
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I appreciate it. --[[User:SexyRexyGrossman|Sexy Rexy Grossman]] 02:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== An alternative point of view. ==<br />
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Just reading your comments on siege descriptions.<br />
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Shaun of the dead. None to start with, but when david says there was only a couple before you came here, how many are there here now and di says "lots". You CAN hear moaning and some glass breaking.<br />
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Also how about in the winchester after Ed wins the jackpot on Ooh Aah Dracula, and you hear all the zombies groaning before they attack, or before they break through into the celler?<br />
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28 days later is not a zombie film. Sorry.<br />
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Resident evil. Can't hear the zombies inside the red queens control area. An underground bunker, with laser defences, where even the glass walls of the flooded lab let through only a dull thump and are strong enough to hold back the weight of an entire room of water.. Thats a secret base, under the ground. Designed specially to stop outbreaks moving between sections. So I assume soundproof.<br />
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Day of the dead. When outside you can hear them. When down a lift, across a car park and into an underground lab. No sound. That isnt the same kind of distance as the otherside of a hastily barricaded door to a mall.<br />
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I of course understand your no x ray vision argument and in all honestly its probably a bad time to suggest it 38% zombies and all that. But hey. opinions.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:OK, let's see:<br />
:SOTD - I'd be putting that down to him just having gotten in with the window still open, how many can you hear when Shaun and Liz are talking things over or when they're talking about Shaun getting them satellite?<br />
:28 Days Later - Really? I'd love to hear your explanations for this one, as, not to put too fine a point on it, I know film scholars who disagree with you.<br />
:Resident Evil - If it was designed to stop infection spreading, RQ wouldn't have killed everyone in the entire base. Also you can't hear the zombies 'sneak up' on them in the underground walkway until they attack.<br />
:Day of The Dead - Exactly, you're outside, if survivors go outside in UD they get the information this gives for free, I have no problem, but the action of going outside costs AP. Also in Dawn they are on the other side of a hastily barricaded door in a mall and can't hear a thing....<br />
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:Barring us disagreeing on our definition of hastily, a fine reposte sir. Good to see that discussion is still alive.<br />
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28 days later is not a zombie film because.<br />
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* No one says zombie<br />
* Headshots are not required, see various machete attacks, land mines.<br />
* The infected are not dead. Otherwise why would they starve "to death".<br />
* Its a blood transmitted infection, and spit and vomit. Its seems strange to me that the blood of the infected would be so fresh. Are the hearts still pumping?<br />
* The zombie soldier was knocked out, before being tied up. Ever see a zombie knocked out?<br />
* Look at the corpses in the film. The heros parents, those in the cafe, nothing like the infected who barring their eyes, have a very alive appearance.<br />
* As the taxi driver is infected, he slowly looses control of his actions. Hes not alive, then dead and then back, its a gradual process as the virus takes over his body. <br />
* The infected dont consume flesh, they are only infected with rage, the need to infect others, there is no feeding dynamic. Biting is not key.<br />
* The animal welfare people seeing the monkeys believe them to be fine.<br />
* In the sequel theres a women who has the disease, but appears normal. How can she be dead? <br />
* The Infected? Does that imply dead? Or an active carrier?<br />
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Have a present. {{Template:Zombie Nazi}}<br />
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Now, you can argue its a very zombieish film. But its really a viral outbreak film like quatermass or outbreak. I love monkeys.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh and do you have the DVD? Look at the alternative storyboard ending. where cillian murphy undergoes a complete blood transfusion with the taxi driver to bring him bank and condemn cillian to the life of an infected. That shows he isnt dead. No dead = no zombie.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: I need to mention that actually, 28 Days Later (and the sequel, 28 Weeks Later) -are- zombie films .... but only in the same way that I am Legend is a zombie film. It's a 'hard science' version of the zombie film genre, where they are not actually referred to 'as' zombies and they don't share one Romero zombie similarity - ie, they are not dead. Hard Science Fiction tends to try to do things in a way which is scientifically still plausible - having the dead actually come back to life is not plausible in a realistic setting, but having a population being in a state that mimics a zombified state for all practical purposes IS plausible, hence hard science fiction. It's worth noting that real life cases of 'zombies' in the carribean are also not dead, but rather 'bereft of any will of their own'. But other than the not being dead part, the infected in 28 days later (and I am Legend, and The Omega Man) are zombies, and all three movies are still classified as zombie movies (even the authors of the books which those movies were based on stated that it fell into the zombie genre).--[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:15, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==REing==<br />
Hey. Listen. Next time the discussion gets moved to the talk page, can you just continue it there? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I was expanding my vote, as allowed, for when Kevan would ready that since unfortunately it's heading into PR. It wasn't really discussion, just an expansion and clarification of what I'd already said. But cheers for the multiple fixes. -- [[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] 20:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Archive==<br />
#[[User_talk:Jedaz/Archive1|Archive 1]] - 03:44, 9 June 2006 (BST)<br />
#[[User_talk:Jedaz/Archive2|Archive 2]] - 13:36, 25 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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==The Arbitration==<br />
It's not that he wants the user to stop, he wants the user banned. For him it's more important that Sgt.Raiden be suffer his vengeful and righteous wrath. Resolving it was never what he wanted. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I realize that. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FArbitration&diff=1363866&oldid=1363863 This edit] made it all too clear. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:17/20/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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==Welcome back==<br />
Always nice to have a voice of reason back on the wiki. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 01:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I think you're cool too! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Heh, thanks. I see a few things have changed since last time, and quite a few things haven't (same ol drama =P). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:16/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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==Broken?==<br />
[http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php Is this] yours? If so, it has stopped working and I need to block things... again. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:39, 9 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, it is mine, but it used [http://www.urbandead.info/maps/max_map/ Maxes map] database as a backend. Since the database is down the tool isn't working, and there isn't any easy way to get the information needed to get it running again. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:13/12/06/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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==Plotting Tool==<br />
I was wondering if you could make a tool like the one from before, the Locations Blocker thing, that output wiki code based on a map point. One that could work with [[User:Karek/ProjDev/DoHS|this]] type code, all it needs to output is variables, 1 for building name, 1 for building type for each building over a predesignated area(like the Max Map used to do). The rest can be done with a generic template and any future map template(that means all the building type needs to be is 1 word for each building type like cemetery or factory, not actual code).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:17, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hmm... I could if I had the information to work with. Max's map is down due to DB issues, unfortunatly that means that I don't have access the information to make the tool. So I need to get the information somehow. However what you are describing is fesable. I might get organised later and generate some regular expressions to extract the information needed from the pages on the wiki. I'll keep you posted. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- <span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">05:57/8/04/2008</span>'''<br />
::Would [http://blunderb.us/cgi-bin/zedmap.pl this] help? It seems to function much like Max's map did.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:21, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Hmm... probably not, not unless the owner is willing to export a copy of the database for us. Sorry I'm taking so long to respond, as you can probably tell I'm not too active these days =P - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- <span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:22/16/04/2008</span>'''<br />
::::Tis ok, I wasn't actually expecting you to respond at all for said reason.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:20, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Hmm... I think I've made some headway with this project. I've been able to convert the templates into a useable format. I'll just have to transfer this information into a database and then we'll see what we can do about getting what you want (maybe I can get Max maps working again while I'm at it, lol). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- <span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">14:32/16/04/2008</span>'''<br />
:::::Looks like it probably won't happen. The database access restrictions on urbandead.info won't allow me to create a table to put the map information into it. I don't have anywhere else that I can put it either. Sorry I couldn't be any more help. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- <span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">10:31/1/05/2008</span>'''<br />
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==Why Drop==<br />
The awesome sig you had? Wanna go streamlined, do you? --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 07:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I was over it. I no longer found it interesting, so I let it go. The one I've got at the moment will probably change as soon as I think of a new one, but for now it'll do. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] <span style="font-size: xx-small;color:#558">'''[07:56, 13 January 2008 (BST)]'''</span><br />
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==A fresh Zomburger for you!==<br />
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Jedaz, I see you have arbitrated on the McZeds deal. I am currently respecting Amazing's deal with Zod for ownership but I am interested in there being only one McZeds. None of this player-confusing "New" mess. It only dilutes the humor of the whole concept. I have contacted New McZeds in the hope of reaching an agreement. If not, would I have a strong case against them using my images and menu and such? This is assuming Zod transfers ownership back to me, of course. Thanks for the ear! VIVA LOS ZOMBURGERS! --[[User:Atari Techno|Atari Techno]] 01:25, 18 September 2007 (BST)<br />
:If you can make an agreement then thats fine. As long as you both reach an agreement about it then the arbitration ruling can be ignored. I only did it in the intrests of preserving the page in it's original format. As for the case, well I doubt you have a leg to stand on as anyone can use the images and content on this wiki. You could however bring it to arbitration and argue that [[User:Stuartbman|Stuartbman]] is trying to dilute your group or something. Anyway it would be very difficult to argue and would cause alot of drama. Just make sure you contact him first though (to show that you at least tried sorting this out), some arbitrators wouldn't look too kindly on not doing that. Worst comes to worst you could always remove the link to "new McZeds" from the McZeds page (which would probably lead to an edit war). At the very least that would keep everyone focused on the old McZeds. But as I said, talk to him first and try sorting it out before doing anything else. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 01:53, 18 September 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
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==Damn==<br />
Couldn't have timed that [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Signature_Race/Nomination-Voting&curid=49309&diff=806174&oldid=804583&rcid=820677 vote better] if I tried! >:( <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 11:55 2 September 2007 (BST)</small><br />
:Heh, better luck next time. Congragulations on winning though. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 11:58, 2 September 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
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== Every visit a pleasure! ==<br />
Spoony! Once again your wit inspires me to better things. Cripes! Yikes! Yippee! - [[MiniGemmel]]<br />
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== Thanks for dropping by! ==<br />
Was lovely to meet young Spoonerism in Malton the other day, and my the gentleman (right honorable) was chatty! Simply can't wait to meet again =) - [[MiniGemmel]]<br />
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==Thanks Mate!==<br />
Thanks for sticking up for me with the latest humorous suggestion drama. I don't like being called a bigot much. Mind you, Naikill is entitled to his point of veiw I guess. Nice if he let everone else have that right, huh?--[[User:Seventythree|Seventythree]] 18:32, 28 August 2007 (BST)<br />
:Thats alright. I know how it feels myself to be a target of drama, so it's the least I could do. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 01:38, 29 August 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
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==Location Block Tool==<br />
'''[http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php Teh Tool]'''<br />
:Is there any way to get it to recognise necrotech buildings, Jedaz? -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 11:16, 19 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::Should be, I'll just see if Max has included it onto his maps database, otherwise I'll have to grab the data from elsewhere. I'll let you know. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 11:21, 19 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
::Alright, it's good now. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 11:30, 19 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:::Excellent. The category for them is Necrotech Buildings though :) -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 11:39, 19 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::::Heh, whoops, I must have missed that. It's fixed now. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 11:54, 19 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:::::Couple more little things. Category:Churchs => Category:Churches, and could you take out the square brackets around the actual location itself in the locationblock (it's just that it makes a link to the disambig page when the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=St._Juan%27s_Church_%28Whittenside%29&diff=744870&oldid=744866 pagename isn't the same as the location name]) -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 07:53, 20 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::::::Oh, yeah I'll get onto that. By the way you may want to find out why [[Factory 66,58]] was blanked, I saw it just recently in the recent changes. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 07:57, 20 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:::::::Someone thinking that location pages are their own personal space again I expect. Thanks -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 08:03, 20 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::::::::Yeah, I thought so. Anyway the tool is updated. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 08:32, 20 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:::Another one for ya, Category:Auto Repairs => Category:Auto Repair Shops. Just did pretty much all of [[Tapton]] in 40 minutes... it would have taken me that long to do the buildings the old way :) -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 09:40, 20 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::::Alrighty, fixed. Thats good to hear that they can be done with so much more ease now =) - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 13:14, 20 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:Hey Jedaz, how much trouble would it be to get it to detect the edges of suburbs, and put in a {{c|red|<nowiki><br /><small>([[Mudkipsville]])</small></nowiki>}} for blocks that are over the border in a different suburb to the actual page location? ([[Club Tremlett|Example]]) -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 03:39, 23 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::It's fairly easy, I just fixed it up. So it should work like that now. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 07:27, 23 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:I love this tool... =) brilliant idea. <sub>with a petit mistake =P. try [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php 89,52]. funny.</sub> -- {{User:Goebi/sig5}} 17:52, 24 July 2007 (BST)<br />
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:love the tool too, but found a minor bug. Tool [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=The_Champneys_Building&diff=754925&oldid=754924 thought] that Mallack Museum is a Mall =)<br />
:Also, could you make so that categories for buildings with "The", for example "The Champneys Building" would appear not like <nowiki>[[Category:Buildings]]</nowiki>, but <nowiki>[[Category:Buildings|Champneys Building, the]]</nowiki> ? <br />
:and another things that need to be fixed manually is when location wiki links are actually leading to disamb' pages - they need to be replaced with de-disamb'ed links. But i guess this is quite hard to implement --[[User:Duke Garland|Duke Garland]]<sub>[[User talk:Duke Garland|T]]</sub><sup>[[LCD]] [[SSZ]]</sup> 11:40, 28 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::I've fixed those two bugs (sorry for taking so long) and added the category thing. As for the disambig links, I'll see what I can do. It should be a fairly simple sql query to find out if there are duplicates, and then link to the right page if there are. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 08:53, 29 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:::I had a look at checking for duplicate names, but it looks like it would take a long time doing that. Just checking out Max's map (which use the same database) it looks like it takes just under 16 seconds to get the entire map. So since the 9 locations would have to be checked against the 10,000 locations, it would take at least 9 times longer then it took the map to load them up. So it isn't fesable to have that function unfortunately. Once every location is blocked we'll check out the [[:Category:Disambiguation|disambig pages]] and adjust the links to them accordingly. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 11:09, 29 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
I updated http://maps.urbandead.info with a link to this useful tool. '''All your location are block to us!''' <sub>[[NT Status Map|.]]</sub> <sup>[[:Category:Imagine|.]]</sup> <sub>[[User:Swiers|. swiers]]</sub> [[Image:BigEYEwitnessLOGO.png|60px]] 16:43, 28 July 2007 (BST)<br />
:Nice. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 08:53, 29 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:'''All your location are block to us!''' :) The [[Location Nuts]] may have a new motto! <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 11:26 Sunday July 2007 (BST)</small><br />
Another little bug. The [[City_Zoo#Map_of_the_City_Zoo|Zoo Buildings]] (aquarium, elephant house, etc) color should be "Zoo", and the empty zoo blocks "Zoo Empty" <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 12:47 Monday July 2007 (BST)</small><br />
:Alright, it should work now. I'll probably need to make a fix for the forts now that I think about it. I'll get around to that when time comes. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 13:06, 30 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
::Cheers. I think I went around one of the forts a while ago... so you may want to check them (it might be too late to worry) <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 13:19 Monday July 2007 (BST)</small><br />
:::I think I may leave the forts to be done by hand, they seem to have a special format which I don't want to think about coding at the moment. Anyway the forts seem fine by the looks of things. BTW, nice sig =P - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 13:25, 30 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
::::Probably shoulda done the zoo by hand too... you've made me too lazy, Jedaz ;) <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 13:36 Monday July 2007 (BST)</small><br />
:::::Sloth! Sloth i say!!! p.s. i already did "south" surroundings of Creedy by hands. --[[User:Duke Garland|Duke Garland]]<sub>[[User talk:Duke Garland|T]]</sub><sup>[[LCD]] [[SSZ]]</sup> 13:44, 30 July 2007 (BST)<br />
Hey Jed, would you mind updating your location maker so that it's category tags for pages starting with "the" is <nowiki>[[Category:Buildings|Passive Building, the]]</nowiki> <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 12:04 27 August 2007 (BST)</small><br />
:It would be needed for buildings, necrotechs, museums and hotel/motels (I think that's the lot) <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 12:06 27 August 2007 (BST)</small><br />
::Alright, updated. I think I got that right, let me know if anything shows up funny. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 12:33, 27 August 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
:::Thanks, looks to work fine :) <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 13:05 27 August 2007 (BST)</small><br />
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Someone screwing around with User:DangerReports got me thinking about how it could be used and then I remembered this. For buildings, think you can add <nowiki>{{User:DangerReport/{{PAGENAME}}}}</nowiki>, saves me time. After all, what use is the tool if it doesn't help me?--{{User:Karek/sig}} 07:16, 8 October 2007 (BST)<br />
:Danger reports for *every* location won't be useful. If you can specify the particular buildings as to where it would be needed, then I might consider adding it. But it is my understanding that the danger reports are only as useful as long as they get updated. So if a building doesn't have one already I doubt that the danger report would be very helpful. By the way, have you tried to block by hand? I don't think you would be saying that the tool doesn't help you if you have ;) - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 07:30, 8 October 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
::I have, didn't dislike it. I prefer doing my coding myself, less errors and makes me harder, faster, better, stronger. --{{User:Karek/sig}} 09:47, 8 October 2007 (BST)<br />
:::Less errors? If the auto-blocker makes something which breaks the location style guide then please let me know so I can fix it up (the exception is linking to buildings with names that are duplicated, an issue which can not be feasibly dealt with server side). That mantra that you have is akin to "Work harder, not smarter". But hey, if you want to do the coding yourself then thats fine, no one is twisting your arm to use the blocking tool. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 10:44, 8 October 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
::::Motto? Was lyrics from a Daft Punk song, thought it would fit in a discussion about technology.--{{User:Karek/sig}} 11:22, 8 October 2007 (BST)<br />
:::::Ah, sorry, my mistake. I don't listen to Daft Punk, or much music at all these days. A large majority of the newer stuff is crap. I liked it when music was actually good (before early 2000's). Too many people are in it for the money and not for the sake of music now-a-days - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 11:30, 8 October 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
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== RE: For those who've done ''real'' work on the suggestions system ==<br />
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[[Talk:Suggestions#For_those_who.27ve_done_real_work_on_the_suggestions_system]]<br />
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Is this for help with the ''system'' or with ''suggestions''? [[Talk:Suggestions|&#39;]][[User:Armareum|arm]][[User_talk:Armareum|.]] 22:12, 9 July 2007 (BST)<br />
:Heh, it was designed for people who moved suggestions from the main page to the previous days pages, or placed the suggestions into peer reviewed, rejected and undecided. Of course thats not saying that helping people develop suggestions isn't real work, it's just not as monotonous as cycling. However voting on a suggestion doesn't count as work =P - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 03:52, 10 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
::Well, I've moved probably two dozen suggestions to rejected/reviewed/spam/dupe, and I'm trying to take care of the [[Talk:Suggestions]] page. So I'm going to take a copy for my userpage. [[Talk:Suggestions|&#39;]][[User:Armareum|arm]][[User_talk:Armareum|.]] 03:15, 15 July 2007 (BST)<br />
:::Thats cool. I think you've earned it if you've done that much, so go ahead. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 09:32, 15 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:Hey Jed, can you see why that suggestion page shows up as including this template on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:SW the whatlinkshere page]? Was looking at it earlier and couldn't work it out -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 09:48, 15 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::That is confusing. I'll see what I can do.... - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 10:01, 15 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:::Heh, solved, the inclusion of the suggestions talk page gave it away XD - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 10:19, 15 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
::::Weird! But nice find -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 09:32, 16 July 2007 (BST)<br />
:::::Thanks, but surprisingly it wasn't so weird, it was a newbies mistake when he was trying to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion%3A20070622_More_realism....less_frustration&diff=706840&oldid=706739 link to the suggestions talk page]. He used <nowiki>{{Talk:Suggestions}}</nowiki> rather then linking it properly. I let him know what to do in the future. By the way, congragulations on being reinstated as Bureaucrat, keep up the good work. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 10:27, 16 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
::::::Oh yeah, the newbie error isn't that weird... it's just the fact that the talk page wasn't actually included in the suggestion page (we'd notice that I think, that page is a monster), but a template on the talk page was still shown as being included on the suggestion page anyway. The ways of the wiki are truly mysterious ;) -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 11:21, 16 July 2007 (BST)<br />
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==Love==<br />
The new sig! --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 13:10, 14 July 2007 (BST)<br />
:Heh, thanks. It's much better then it was IMO. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 09:32, 15 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
::I must join to Dux... :) And if you don't mind I steal bit from it (timing)... but I'm in Central Europe, so can I somehow do a sig with (CEST) timing? -- {{User:Goebi/sig2}} 12:29, 17 July 2007 (BST)<br />
:: Like this: {{User:Goebi/sig4}}<br />
:::Heh, thanks. I don't really mind you stealing the timing. As for having Central Europe timing, I don't know if it's posible. It may work if you change the time offset in your prefrences so that it is CEST, you'll have to use <nowiki>{{LOCALTIME}}</nowiki> rather then <nowiki>{{CURRENTTIME}}</nowiki> However, a quick experiment I did just then, I don't know if it'll work but it's worth checking out. Also you will need to subst in your signature if you are going to format the time, otherwise it will change each time the page is viewed. So in your prefrences under nickname it should look like <nowiki>{{subst:User:Goebi/sig4|subst=subst:}}</nowiki> The code for the signature is otherwise set up right by the looks of things. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 15:20, 17 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:::: I paste that stuff at my preferences, but I think it's still overwrite my later edits... And thanks for the help :) I'm not really a code developer... =P. -- <font face="brie light"> [[User:Goebi|<font style="color:black;">goebi</font>]]</font face> <font face="arial black">[[User_talk:Goebi|<font style="color:DarkOrange;">o</font style>]][[User:Goebi/help|<font style="color:DeepPink;">o</font style>]] [[Lfs team|<font style="color:Orange;">o</font style>]][[Malton_Rail|<font style="color:grey;">o</font style>]][[NT_Mappers|<font style="color:brown;">o</font style>]][[Project_Welcome|<font style="color:CornflowerBlue;">o</font style>]]</font face> <font face=verdana"><font style="color:black; font-size:80%">19:01, 17 July 2007 (BST)</font face></font> <font face="brie light">[[:Category:Style Up!|<font face="arial black"><font style="color:DarkOrange;">o</font style></font face> <font style="color:black;">style up!</font>]]</font face><br />
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==Stll here==<br />
Are you still here, or are you in a wiki-coma just like Vista? --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 04:04, 25 August 2007 (BST)<br />
:I'm still around. I'm not very active though obviously. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 04:06, 25 August 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
::Ah I see. Hey, could you give me your raw sig code on my talk page? Thanks. --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 04:22, 25 August 2007 (BST)<br />
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==The snipes==<br />
Stop them. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[CGR]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 12:25, 30 August 2007 (BST)<br />
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== Civility policy ==<br />
I dunno how aware you are of these discussions, but Kevan proposed that a civility policy could be enacted and I'm writing one. Your input would be great =): [[User:Matthewfarenheit/Sandbox/Civility]]. Use the page's talk page for discussion. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 08:01, 3 September 2007 (BST)<br />
:I've been keeping an eye on the conversation. I'll read it, but I'll be honest with you. I doubt that it will even pass no matter what form it takes. The culture of saying what you want how you want is deeply entrenched within the communities attitude and many people will be resistant to the change. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 08:05, 3 September 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
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== This is going to sound crazy... ==<br />
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In a rather bazaar twist of fate an albeit rather small portion of the evidence I will be presenting in the arbitration case vs. Akule turns out to be based on your wiki contribs. I hope that it would not jeopardized your impartiality should you be chosen as arbiter. In any event thank you for tidying up the arbiter selection ballot. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 06:05, 14 September 2007 (BST)<br />
:No worries about that, if no one did anything to clear it up then it'ld be a horrible mess and it'ld go nowhere. Anyway I don't belive it should jeopardize my impartiality. The only significant interaction that I've had with Akule is a heated discussion which he had a valid point in (and which I recognised, but I belive my point is also valid). I'm not going to hold it against him that he has different opinions and interpretations then me. I'ld actually be shocked if people didn't have different opinions. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 06:38, 14 September 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
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=== re:McZeds Talk ===<br />
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Quick trigger there ;^) --[[User:Karlsbad|Karlsbad]] 06:51, 14 September 2007 (BST)<br />
:It's probably one of my quickest posts to date =P - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 06:53, 14 September 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
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== Grammatical fix ==<br />
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No problem, man. I stalk the recent changes page. :P --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Iscariot/Archive&diff=1367424User talk:Iscariot/Archive2009-01-20T01:01:57Z<p>Jedaz: </p>
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==Was it really?==<br />
Was the case really in progress? I thought you got everything you wanted out of it with Sgt Raiden saying that he won't make any more edits about the mall tour. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">23:53/19/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:He accepted a case that was brought, therefore 'in progress'. Also after his posting of "never wanted to talk about the Mall Tour" (or whatever he said) he still continued to post blatantly false information about the group. Now, whilst I was happy for Link etc. to reason with him, for so long as he continues to edit in such a manner I will continue to seek resolution. Since as you removed the case I am forced to take the only other option open to me. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm sorry, but I looked at his edits after his comment on the arbitration case but I don't see which edits you are refering to when you say that he is still posting false information about the group. If you could point out the edit(s) then I'ld be happy to admit that I was wrong. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:07/20/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:::He posted to arbitration on the 17th. Given that the posts on his talkpage had been up for some days it is ''reasonable'' to assume that he was at least aware of some contention surrounding his edits to the community pages regarding the Mall Tour 2009. Although it is before he posts to the arbitration page, by a hour or so I believe, even with the obvious activity on his talk page he proceeds to place [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:DangerReport/Stickling_Mall&diff=prev&oldid=1365476 these lies] on the danger report. At the time I was actively coordinating an extended strike to take the corner we were attacking. As we were at least 70 bodies off the ruin in the NE, the corner we were attacking, I wondered how we'd scored a ruin in another corner. One IRC message later, and I had [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/01-17-09_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_53-23__644-e62-e60.html definitive proof] of his lying. Two days after he continues to post complete shit [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Shearbank&diff=prev&oldid=1366547 like this], although the iwit proof seems to escape me, I did a pass of the mall at that time and only our entry cades in the NE corner were down. Although I appear to have mislaid the screen shots for this incident, given his past behaviour and my proof against it, it is reasonable to take my word for this as well. Simply put, he continues to lie. All of this could have been avoided if [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:DangerReport/St_Dionysius%27s_Hospital&diff=prev&oldid=1362921 this edit] had justifiably been ruled vandalism and the warning issued. There is no good faith reasoning for posting that, especially inside another user's signed comment. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Well you've got what you've said you wanted, he has stopped making edits concerning the Mall Tour (specifically no mention of Mall Tour). Yeah, sure those edits before his comment on arbitration were probably just to annoy you further. By the way, I don't see how [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Shearbank&diff=prev&oldid=1366547 this edit] is "complete shit" considering [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3AMall_Tour_2009%2FMain&diff=1366321&oldid=1365225 this edit] to the mall tour page (who cares if there was a barricade or not, or were you talking about the fire station?). The thing is, newbies do stupid things all of the time, and if you go to [[A/A]] (or [[A/VB]] each and every time without trying to talk to them first then people are going to lose respect for you, fast. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:01/20/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
==Ahem.==<br />
You might have answered this elsewhere but i cbf tracking it down, so why (actually) did you decline anime's nomination? I wouldn't care except that i'm considering nominating you (as you're fully aware) and your motivation for not accepting his nomination might effect my decision.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 22:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Cat 4, desire to become a sysop. Anime nominated me in bad faith for his own amusement. As we know, bad faith = vandalism, but good luck getting that through A/VB....<br />
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:As it was just for his personal amusement I had to act to remove his trolling from the wiki, because, let's face it none of the other sysops would. Isn't standing by whilst bad faith actions were taking place what they took you to misconduct for? Odd how it doesn't apply to them.<br />
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:It is purely for this reason that I removed it. I have already given Cat 4 authorisation to certain users, yourself included, for the purposes of a serious bid if that is the will of the community. If you are going to go through with it at some point in the future, just give me a heads up so I can take the page off my watchlist for the duration, I have enough to do with the Mall Tour to engage in the drama that certain users would bring to that page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Can I get some input?==<br />
I've been working on a policy that I believe is sorely needed [[User:Pestolence/001|here]], and I'd appreciate your input on it. How can it be improved, and is it even needed right now? A potential problem is what to do about current sysops: put them all up for review now (leading to a massive backlog of admin page drama), postpone the review until six months from now (simply staving off the inevitable drama till later), or something else glaringly obvious that I've overlooked? See you around. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Why?==<br />
Why do you have to be such an ass? So much of what you claim to stand against is perfectly reasonable and yet you go about it in a way designed to annoy folk. You are a wiki lawyering Fu**er but I have to applaud you for challenging those who so often seem to think they are in charge. If only you could choose your cases with less bias rather than the current sense of self righteous "WTF" i think i could actually find myself on your side... Well, at least some of the time! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 01:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
==Awesome..==<br />
..user page! (Also, the 'Wiki Martyr' part made me smile :)). So, do you really want to become a sysop? Or you're just interested in the community/sysops' answers? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 16:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm glad someone else can see the humour in my redesign. As far a being a sysop goes, I unfortunately believe it's necessary if this wiki is ever to return to its original purpose. This is the ''only'' official resource for the game and yet a majority of the metagame community avoid it, we should have three times the amount of regular contributers than we do and this should be an important stepping stone for newbies to engage with that wider community. I place the blame for this clearly in the political bias of the current administration team. What we have is a system where no-one can be promoted without being an ally of theirs and cannot be demoted unless they are willing to tow the party line as set down by them (see J3D's demotion). The will of the community, that the sysops are supposed to represent in their position as ''trusted users'', is regarded as insignificant next to their continued hold over what they percieve as an elite or superior status. We have a group of people who cannot be demoted, and that cannot have their bias nullified by promoting others (as they proved by removing J3D as soon as they could force it through, odd how the evidence was 'sysop' only, and that if J3D had made those logs public they'd have removed him anyway citing the Privacy Policy). The community is no longer represented by the administration team and as proven by Nubis today, they no longer work according to the will of the community. This is damaging this resource and ultimately the game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::What did Nubis do? So, do you think the community doesn't trust our current sysops (and that's the reason why we have very few contributions from them)? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 21:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Might have completely forgotten about this due to running the Mall Tour, sorry Janus. The [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FDiscussion&diff=1361041&oldid=1354090 edit in question]. I point directly to ''"We need a system to deal with that or add to the policy that a deletion vote can be overturned by a majority of the sysops"''. That's right, Nubis wants a system where they can summarily dismiss the community consensus as it suits them. Contrast with the current Administration Guidelines ''"As a wiki, for these actions, each user's voice has equal weight, regardless of his or her abilities"''. Even with the entire community against the image, Nubis wants to be able to overrule that consensus. The wishes of the community no longer factor into the primary reasoning of the sysops, they are no longer trusted users, but instead ''empowered'' users, and just as with Nubis' wanted new statute, they cannot be removed regardless of the will of the community. <br />
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:::See also [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FArbitration&diff=1362209&oldid=1362208 this edit by Hagnat]. He removes a case that he's involved with for false reasoning. Now I'd put that back but he'd force it through A/VB as 'spamming the admin pages'. Hagnat said he would take no part in the arbitration, when this has happened in the past other users have been selected to represent the refusing party, also his notion that intermediary edits render the case invalid is patently untrue, see the case of Jorm and MOB versus Extinction, the page in the case had many edits but as Jorm was objecting to the basic content and the act of originally posting such material as content the case continued. The same was true in this case, but Hagnat decides to sweep the case under the carpet without any hint of objection from the rest of the sysops. The case wasn't even archived, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Hagnat&diff=prev&oldid=1362275 here he attempts to justify] his actions by summarily judging the case to be 'trolling' and saying that is not normally what happens. [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Conndraka_vs._St._Iscariot|Odd how easy it is to prove him wrong....]]<br />
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:::You can also look at the general underlying hypocrisy of the sysops. A user asked whether my sig was illegal on Nubis' talk page, rather than leaving that user in suspense, I [[User_talk:SirArgo#My_Signature|went to his page]] and cleared up the confusion. I direct you to Nubis' comment below ''"But as you can plainly see Iscariot has a boner for me and is stalking my talk page"'', yes, indeed, something appears on my watch list because I've posted there before and I'm ''stalking'' him. Contrast to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHagnat&diff=1362643&oldid=1362509 this edit] where he pulls out an old edit summary whilst I was performing routine maintenance on my talk page. Yet, I'm ''stalking'' him, and he's doing nothing wrong. These are your ''trusted users''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Thank you for your answer! But now I'm curious. How can we "fight/solve" this situation in your opinion? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 12:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==2nd Warning==<br />
[[Image:Stop hand.png|40px]] - This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am obliged to post here to inform you of it. Please do not spam admin pages with trollish and irrelevant comments. You have already been formally warned for this and if you continue to edit in this manner you will have your editing privileges revoked. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==hmmm==<br />
i just realised that the drama wave that started with your case against nubis (brought after i complained it was too quiet around here) still hasn't broken. That's not a bad effort imho...also, nice page :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for your praise about my page. I feel the drama will never die down as long as the current administration team are sysops and mods as the situation suits them. Regarding your below comments about sysop candidacy, I too am interested in their reasons for denying promotion. Therefore, if you wish, you may nominate me for promotion, however due to drama reasons I will not participate in the discussion. You make take this comment as an expression of category four, expression of desire to become a sysop and note this on the nomination if you so wish. I will not participate in the discussion due to evidential bias on the part of the sysop team, however I empower yourself, Suicidal Angel and Pestolence to act in my stead, to respond to any questions and to be afforded the same response rights as I would have. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Holy crap==<br />
Your userpage is incredible. Where'd you get the image on the top? --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:My Main Page? The Dune scape? You'll be amazed at what you find when you type Arrakis into a few image sites....;) <br />
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:Thanks for the approval though, it's been driving me insane trying to get the basic page down today, it'll be tweaked when I can take the headache again. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: It is epic win. I was wondering about the Dune reference on DY's page. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 21:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Thanks!==<br />
I love my GC page! You are awesome. <3 --[[User:Fifth Element|Fiffy]] 13:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning==<br />
[[Image:Stop hand.png|40px]] - This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am obliged to post here to inform you of it. Please do not spam admin pages with trollish and irrelevant comments. This is vandalism as has been judged several times in the past. If you continue to edit in this manner you may have your editing privileges revoked. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Mall Tour]]==<br />
Why do you keep removing the '09 Mall Tour from the list? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It is the desire of the Head Tour Guide not to link to the main wiki in this way until he is happy to take the Tour public. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::After looking over everything, the tour is good to go and ready to start assembling. My thanks to Izzy for helping keeping this private until all of the start up work was complete and ready to be unveiled (nothing worse than half finished work). --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 19:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Run for sysop==<br />
yeah.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Why? As was proved by you tenure, if the current team dislike you, the changes you make or your community support they will promptly rally round and force through a demotion regardless of community consensus. The problem isn't the system, it's the people who can't be removed by a community they no longer represent. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah i'd just like to see their reasons for not promoting you.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::They'd rehash the reason Grim gave for not promoting you the first time even with enough community support, compare that to Hagnat's most recent promotion, you both had the same support from the community, except that you were active and contributing and he conveniently disappeared for most of his promotion bid, leaving three aborted policies that were only for show as no-one in their right mind would pass them. Result? You were told to sod off and he was welcomed back. You'll notice that he was ''specifically'' told to use the admin pages in his most recent promotion, when was he doing that in his recent archiving fiasco? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Deletion==<br />
I see :) Would it be meatpuppetting if a TZH's member was reported on A/VB for [[User_talk:Leroy_Jankens|all those comments]] and found 'guilty'? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 15:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No, because normal users do not get a vote on A/VB. The core of meat puppeting something is the use of a mass group of voters to enforce a change. This cannot apply to A/VB because nobody competent gets a vote there. Also they've done nothing wrong. There is no policy or precedent on this wiki that users have to be civil to each other. The case would be dismissed and give them something more to whine about.<br />
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:If someone was to secure enough support from the metagame community and then put all their group pages up for deletion (under a reasoning of no redeemable content), if those pages were deleted and they subsequently recreated them ''then'' they could be escalated under A/VB, and the pages recreated would be speedily deleted. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Your talk page is better than checkuser anyway==<br />
what's the policy on ex-sysops around these parts? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Ex-sysops are fine. Welcome back. I'm sure there'll be some sort of changes planned for the future that will once again make this wiki an unbiased and helpful resource. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm inclined to agree there, if you're meaning the Saint's talk is much more amusing than check user.--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 00:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Ex-sysops > sysops pretty much anywhere. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 01:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Boxy's Talk Page==<br />
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Thanks for that. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 00:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No probs, although I guarantee they find something to have a go at me for because of it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::They're [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABoxy&diff=1354243&oldid=1354221 conspiring against you!] --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::This is the indication of the same type of bias they used to force J3D out of office, expect Wikigate II sometime soon. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::On second thought, I took the smiley out of my OP, this isn't funny. This is totalitarianism. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 01:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't have a problem with totalitarianism, I have a problem with hypocrisy. They're sysops, but want to moderate when they choose regardless of the policies voted in or the wishes of the community. There needs to be an entire changing of the admin team, with the new team understanding that they serve the community by following the policies the community has taken the time to consider and approve. Either that or a conversion to a moderation system as Grim was trying to do, their problem wasn't with Grim's system, but with the fact he removed them from their perceived 'elite' status. I'd actually favour a moderation system, but again we'd need a complete removal of the current crop as they are entirely unsuitable. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[A/A]] ==<br />
Done, although please reply to the archive warning note in future. Thanks. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Your Talk Page ==<br />
It is epic and it is 105 kilobytes long, according to the Warning: Internet Meltdown sign at the top. It makes me happy to see so many stupid people fall on their faces here. I just managed to crawl through the SoldierUDW funfest, and the results of it, particularily in regards to people abandoning Soldier, made me giggle like a small child. It also gave me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside, not unlike Chai Tea with a small amount of Irish Cream. I demand more. Anger more stupid people so that I may get my jollies! --{{User:DT/Signature}} 05:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I dub it the Vat of Quotations. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 03:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Can you imagine some of the gems that'd be here if I hadn't removed the sysops right to edit here? As shown above however, it looks like they are setting up to randomly ban me, no cause and with the justification of ''"You make us look stupidz!"'', yeah, ''trusted users''.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::More proof that democracy cannot be trusted, as people in large numbers are never right. Hey, people let ''me'' Moderate forums on Brainstock - that's a vote for the infinite quality of human stupidity right there. I know that if you were a Brainstock mod, I'd be conspiring against you. Not for any particular reason, but conspiring nonetheless. Possibly plotting and scheming as well. Mind you, I'm not altogether certain that most Brainstock mods and Admins aren't conspiring to have me banned...--{{User:DT/Signature}} 02:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Democracy? Where? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::The democracy we'll have to use to set up the Reich of Fuhrer Grimtler! -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I personally was largely in favor of Grim taking over. Things would have run far more smoothly and efficiently. And he'd been burdened with all the SysOp duties, which would have produced fatal amounts of stress.--{{User:DT/Signature}} 02:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::You don't think he would have killed himself after losing his power and getting hit with the banhammer? He lived a pretty sad life - he had some fucked-up condition (I forget what it was) that basically meant he couldn't leave the house. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 02:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== MT09'? ==<br />
Two things:<br />
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1. You better not fail this. Mall tours are always fun. Good luck, mate!<br />
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2. Did you draw that picture? EPIC! <br />
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=D --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:#Shush! No-one knows about it yet.<br />
:#I'm not running it, I'm just coding it.<br />
:#Nope, came from one of my image elves.<br />
:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 03:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Sorreh! OMG IMAGE ELVES. I CAN HAZ SOME?! --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Noez, they iz an endangerered speesheez, and I needz them. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 03:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Plox? I iz a good take carer! --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==RE: Arbitration==<br />
Since I am apparently acceptable to both of you, <br />
the case, [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St. Iscariot versus Boxy|St. Iscariot vs. Boxy]], has been opened. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Noticed, opening statement construction has begun. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 06:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You're "on the stand"... a (hopefully) brief cross-examination by the arbitrator. There may or may not be further questions -- for you, and/or boxy. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Please make a concluding statement in the Arby versus Boxy. Thank you. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== /me pokes you with a stick ==<br />
Go look in your No More Heros talky page. --[[User:SexyRexyGrossman|Sexy Rexy Grossman]] 19:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Oh dear sweet Lord ==<br />
He's back in full force. Seems rather desperate to get away from his past, too... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's OK, we know he weighs the same as a duck, and therefore floats on water, therefore he's made of wood and will burn like a true witch. Also, he turned me into a newt... I got better. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::And apparently [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Pestolence&curid=98201&diff=1338926&oldid=1338907 he shops for IP addresses at yard sales.] I'm too tired to respond to this idiocy right now, but he's also banned me from his talk page. Sound familiar? --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Apology ==<br />
(Sorry for any grammar mistakes, but I'm writting on a keyboard that lacks half it's keys)<br />
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It may have come to your attention that I have recently killed your character, Damon Young.<br />
I wish to apologize for that, since I didn't do it willingly. Rather, I was ordered to do so by SoldierUDW. Until this point, I had no idea of your previous "argument" with Soldier. Please do not think that I have been deceived into thinking that you have been acting aggressively towards Soldier. I have seen the messages he wrote, and I find them incredibly offending and uncalled for. So, I besides from apologizing for the error I made, I'd like to give you an unofficial apology on behalf of SZES (or, better said, ZEMA)<br />
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'''PS:''' I am no longer part of ZEMA, but I thought you deserved an apolgy anyway. <br />
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--[[User:Shirax|Shirax]] 17:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I am glad you have seen sense and left this group and moved out from the influence of this idiot. I hope this will not sour you from working with other survivors, the best thing a survivor player can do is to join with other intelligent survivors to help the cause. I personally recommend the [[Mad Craskers]] or the [[Dribbling Beavers]] as excellent groups who will welcome you and help you tremendously in the game. Be sure to research the rules of the Rogues Gallery and get your bounty (when it's processed) removed at the earliest opportunity. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== A reminder ==<br />
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Oh your the f*%#*@# retard Iscarret! Your the one who probably hates "Americans", people keeps telling you they are going to report you to the administrations because of thie insults you gave them. You're the moron, you're the dumb ass, you are even more insane than SillyLillyPilly. This is why nobody woulden't even trust you on this shit because you use your job to attack other users. No duh. <br />
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How about you like it if you tasted your own medicine, like the bullshit you gave to other users? <br />
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-- {{User:Soldier/Sig}} 23:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:You'd think that if you'd watched the Youtube video that's linked on my userpage you'd know that I despise dumb colonials like yourself. I'm insane, am I? Quite possibly, but I can take anti-psychotics, there are no anti-stupid pills, which means you're screwed. By all means, carry on your impotent little rants and ingame activities, they amuse myself and the rest of the audience to the your car crash wiki existence. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::UP YOURS M*#$*@#$%^&!!! :P --{{User:Soldier/Sig}} 18:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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This is lol. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 16:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Back Off ==<br />
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Do not F*&@% with me Iscariot, I' am warning you. I' am not retarted like what everyone saids and the harrassing has got to stop, so you shut your f*&%@#% mouth shut about whatever I' am doing. Its not your bussiness, so back off or I will stockpile shit on your talk page like you did to me (if you ever did).<br />
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-- [[User:Soldier|Soldier UDW]] 19:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:HAHAHAHAHA I'd be careful, Iscariot, or he might report you for "harrasment" like he's going to do to me. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::#Learn to follow page rules. New sections go at the '''top''' of my talk pages.<br />
::#I removed your right to comment in my user spaces a while back. The only reason that your post was not instantly deleted was because Pestolence replied to it.<br />
::#You are retarded.<br />
::#Feel free to bring whatever cases and 'shit' you like against me. I've griefed people off this wiki and out of the game before, you and your zerg army won't be difficult to deal with.<br />
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::Hugs, kisses and fluffy puppies,<br />
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::-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, sorry about that. Go ahead and delete it if you want, Iscariot. But before you do, I think I should let you know that not only are you a psychopath, you're also a [[User_talk:Janus_Abernathy#Soldier_UDW|hypnotist]] who forced Janus Abernathy to leave his "group." You evil, evil man. :D --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 20:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::None of that was in response to you dude, the numbers automatically indent, so it may look that way. Yeah, I've seen the latest episode of my new favourite show, apparently all my evil plans are being unravelled. I'll have to hide away in my secret volcano base, twiddle my moustache and stroke my token evil villain cat and think of a new nefarious plot. Have you noticed that Janus is more conversant in his second language than moron boy is in what's supposed to be the language of his country? I wonder if he's seen the link on my userpage.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::And by the way, he's at 21 health in the Piggott Building. Just FYI. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 20:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So I've just seen, he killed my Knight this morning. I'm already back. I have other things in mind for him though. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Hey there. I just wanted to say a few things (yeah, I'm talking a lot today..): <br />
:-I'm sorry for all this drama I contributed to make. <br />
:-Iscariot didn't force me and the AZS to leave the ZEMA; he actually gave me lots of good advices. <br />
:-I'm feeling very sorry for [[User:Cortez250|Cortez]] right now.<br />
:-I happen to be.. a female. Maybe I should have said that before. Sorry about this too :( <br />
--{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 21:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You didn't cause this drama, and we're glad you saw sense and got out of that organisation. Plus the drama is really amusing, we have to make our own fun round here. <br />
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::Also I know you don't mean your apology, you're only making it because I'm forcing you to telepathically, my psychic powers are irresistible. The link in my sig should be to the Psi Corps, not the Gore Corps ;)<br />
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::I also feel sorry for Cortez, but with the wonders of the contributions list, we should be able to save others from his idiotic influence.<br />
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::You can't be female, we all know there are no girls on the internet ;P I'm actually a great admirer of Italian women, mainly due to [http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g298/Saint_Jimmys_Extrodinary_Rebel_Girl/My%20things/famous%20people/Cristina%20Scabbia/Day%20by%20Day%20pictures/CristinaScabbiawithwineglass.jpg this hottie]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Well, it looks like Soldier is in a wiki-coma due to us psychos "sueing his ass." Hopefully he'll stay gone for good. (although I was starting to have fun with him).<br />
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And by the way, not all of us Americans are dumb. We just have more than our fair share of idiots over here, along with highly visible morons like Soldier who perpetuate the stereotype. :) It's guys like him who make me want to join the Philosophe Knights. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh well, shame he wouldn't learn. Have you watched the youtube video that Iscariot has on his page, Pestolence? At the end it says pretty much the same thing as you. :P - [[User:Whitehouse]] 04:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Oh, I saw that Cortez is safe (luckily). He probably got scared about all the mess on the talk pages.. <br />
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Soldier's in wiki coma, thanks to Iscariot's psychic powers; I wonder what's going to become of the ZEMA, now that his leader and Omega have resigned. Oh well.<br />
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Cristina Scabbia is quite beautiful ;) --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 20:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Yeah, Recruitment page==<br />
Hey there. I'm not here to bitch :) I understand why you removed the [[Anti-zombie squad|AZS]] ad from the recruitment page.. but I don't get why you removed the [[Zombie Emergency Management Agency|ZEMA]] and kept the [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad|SZES]] one. AZS and SZES are both "subgroups" so shouldn't we keep the ZEMA ad?<br />
(I apologies for my bad english. I happen to be italian and a bad student) --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:The enforcement of the large groups rule on the Recruitment page is based on established precedent (i.e. the way we've done things before). When a group that is deemed a large group has multiple ads on the page priority goes to the ad with the oldest valid timestamp, i.e. the valid ad that was there first. For instance, if the [[RRF]] puts up ads for the Gore Corps, the main RRF and AU10 (in that order), providing the timestamp on all three was valid I'd remove the main RRF and the AU10 ones, even though the remaining ad (the GC) is a sub group of the main group because that advert was first. The precedent is based on ad cycling efficiency and the notion that large groups are entitled to solely advertise their sub groups should they wish. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I see about the timestamps. I don't understand your last sentence though (yes, I'm dense); does it mean we can put back the ZEMA ad and write the AZS an SZES links in it? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::If you put the ZEMA ad back in it will be removed as it currently breaks the [[Recruitment#Format_for_Advert_Content|Format Guidelines]]. If the ad is brought back into line with these guidelines, there is no prohibition to mentioning or linking other groups, sub groups or strike teams within a group ad. Simply put you can have ''"ZEMA is an alliance consisting of the [[Anti-zombie squad|AZS]] and [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad|SZES]]."'' in your ad, but the ZEMA ad must still conform to the other page guidelines. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh, I didn't know it was breaking the Format Guidelines. Thanks, I'll fix it. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::If you want my advice, you'll take your group and get as far away from [[User:Soldier|this idiot]] as you can. Retarded stuff like placing Hagnat on his group's KOS list after [[User:Soldier/Talk_Archive#knowledge_is_half_the_battle|he tried to help him out]] or putting sysops on the same list for doing their job is so retarded that he might need medical treatment. [[Zombie_Emergency_Management_Agency/Policies#Z.E.M.A._Page_Insubordinate_Editing_Policy|This policy]] of his caused myself and several other players that have seen it great hilarity. For the record I could probably go edit every single one of ZEMA's pages and there's nothing he could do to me. It's this kind of posturing, stupidity and disregard for that is going to get your group attacked and your personal reputation in this game tarnished by association.<br />
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:::::It's not often that Sonny and I agree, but his conduct is very reminiscent of another wiki contributer. That situation ended with the [[Invasion_of_Gibsonton]]. Basically a group annoyed Sonny, he took [[DORIS]] and it took him less than a week to wipe this group out, the only reason that conflict lasted longer was because better more experienced groups got involved. The Imperium was many times the size of your collective alliance and they lasted a week. A sub conflict of this event was the Philosophe Knights against the Necroinquisition. Soldier boy has it listed on your pages that you are at war with the Philosophe Knights, be glad the Order hasn't noticed you. It took us three days to wipe out the Necroinquisition, and we don't mean kill so they had to wait for a revive, we mean kill continuously so those players left the game.<br />
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:::::If you don't want a similar situation to occur with your groups you really need to get away from him, or stop him speaking and acting for your alliance. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Zombie_Emergency_Management_Agency&diff=prev&oldid=1333849 Edits like this] where he demonstrates that he can't differentiate between a person's characters and their routine maintenence as a wiki citizen are going to get you a lot of grief. He seems to fail to realise that just because someone's character kills other characters does not mean they act exclusively for that character when they are perform tasks on the wiki. That and his actions at adding a pacifist, then level 5, pro survivor to your KOS because he was 'involved in player killing', even though that character has done [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|more for the survivor cause than your entire alliance]] is simply pathetic. He's a coward, a moron and an idiot. If you want to play this game and gain any sort of respect you need to do something about him. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::I've.. already tried to tell him about this. I'll talk to my group and try to make him see that he's not doing very good. Thanks for the advices. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 16:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC) <br />
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Sorry, I forgot to ask. The ZEMA ad's problem is only the amount of words, right? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 15:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That was the problem that got it removed. I don't know if it breaks any others as well because I don't have a link to it. If it does break any others it will be removed again. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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To avoid Soldier putting you (or your survivor character..) on the Psychopaths list again, can I ask you what was wrong with the ad? There were 180 words more or less; did it have another problem? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 22:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:He took me off? I doubt it. I put the text into my word program, it told me two hundred words before I put the text under the image in, over two hundred and it goes. The word limit includes all words in the ad, including links, picture commentaries and everything else except your header and signature. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Damn picture commentaries. 199 words now, putting the ad back. I didn't see your name on the list; Drawde and Hagnat are still there though, with no profile links.. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 22:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::196 by my count, but no timestamp, put one on or it'll go on the next purge. He's got my characters Cliff Spab, Cloister the Stupid and Damon Young on there. There's no point in removing any of them if you're going to leave things like a declaration of war against the Order or other Knights on there, also leaving Saromu up there is just as bad. My advice, wipe all the KOS lists he's done, including the SZES one and institute a clear rules system for addition and removal from the list i.e. proof using screenshot of any PK, displayed next to the entry. Looking at the rules of the [[Rogues Gallery]] might help you here. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:03, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Sorry, I put the timestamp. Yeah, we usually post a screenshot along with the pker/gker's name&ID in the AZS page. I'd remove the ZEMA and SZES KOS lists but then I'm worried I'd be reported as a psychopath, so I'll tell Soldier first.. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 23:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Just wanted to say that the [[Anti-zombie squad|AZS]] are not part of the [[Zombie Emergency Management Agency|ZEMA]] anymore, so I'm putting back our ad in the Recruitment Page. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 12:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Neh?==<br />
[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=User:J._Iscariot&action=edit Coincidence?]--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 04:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Coincidence. I've been offline due to net problems for what seems like an age. Although I find ED funny, most of the pages cause near terminal slowdown to my old laptop, so I don't often frequent the place. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:06, 8 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==You're useless==<br />
Hey man I've waited and waited I've asked nicely for all sorts of help from you. I can't even get you to reply to my questions any more. Well here's what's gonna happen over on the recruitment page. I'm gonna write up the policy I like then I'm gonna get it voted through with every person I can possibly get to vote. You might want to help me write it because if you don't your buddies over at the Pk knights might end having to advertise in only 1 section of the wiki like everyone else. So once again. PLEASE HELP ME COME UP WITH A POLCIY FOR THE RECRUITMENT PAGE THAT DOESN"T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE DEM or don't and we'll just leave you out of it entirely--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 00:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Recruitment isn't subject to [[A/PD]], it's change by discussion.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 00:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I have no idea what you're talking about. Reason #32 why the the ud wiki sucks? Obscure rules and pages that nobody understands except the people who are or have been in charge.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::For the second time this week I've managed to get on a computer with net access for five minutes. Did you not think to look at my contributions Kristi? I haven't been on because my internets are broken. I hardly have time to go through this now, when I get back we can continue our discussions. Karek is entirely wrong, if a policy passes by community vote then its subject becomes covered by it, and if anyone then acts contrary to it then their edits are vandalism, a sysop not realising this should be misconduct - but good luck getting that through the circle jerk club.<br />
::::I don't give two shits for your contributions you've been unhelpful, ignorant and generally combative through this entire process. You're useless and I'm tired of dealing with useless wiki people who have an axe to grind against my group. How about we log on a bunch of DEM members and see how bad we can screw with the philosophe knights...just cause we can? You're ignorance of the system is evidenced by Karek as I feel he has way more insight in the system than you have. Get a better connection or leave the page for someone that wants to actually do something.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Karek, you are well aware of the rules of this page, the only reason your contribution was not removed is because Kristi responded to it. I take your response, given its complete arrogance and incorrectness, to be a poor attempt at trolling. The same type of trollling you warned Nubis and Conndraka against over on Arbitration. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Actually it was about clarification. The recruitment page is like [[Talk:Suggestions]] in it's creation and maintenance. It means that if a consensus can be reached the rules of the page get changed, that's all there is to it and making a policy page for it is needless excess at the very least. Basically you all need to reach an agreement as to how the page is to be maintained, not pass the buck off because you don't get along.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Is it true Karek that I could just say fuck iscariot and have a bunch of DEM members come and change things how we want?--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
bahahahahahaha kristi don't ever change --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Die in a fire.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::love ya too sweetheart --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 03:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
All this love makes me feel funny.--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 03:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Where can I send you a image as proof ==<br />
Can I send you a E-mail or something? --[[User:Matt Aries|Matt Aries]] 05:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:You can PM over at Barhah.com under this user name. However if you are trying to contest page ownership, then doing it straight to me is pointless, you'll have to go through the Arbitration process on the relevant wiki page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Do i get a vouch now??==<br />
Since i picked it :P I'd miss posting on your talk page though...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Hey.==<br />
Any chance of buckling to pressure and re-voting on the talking to oneself suggestion? It looks like its going to fail to reach peer reviewed by one vote. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Unfortunately not. I had a valid justification on there, and then received an escalation when even Gnome admits he didn't strike my vote in the manner specified to make it a sysop strikeout. Coupled with the votes that have yet to be struck on [[Suggestion:20081030_Zombies_Stuck_in_Lights|this suggestion]], including such gems as ''"MAH SEX IS AHN FIAH!"'' by one of the sysop team clearly demonstrates sysop bias. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I just did. You're welcome.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 12:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks. Congrats on the culture tour. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, I have to say, that is kind of a big undertaking. Good job mate.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 22:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Thank you both for your kind words. The tour was long and stressful, but ultimately lots of fun, as well as demonstrating that you can go round all of Malton contributing to the survivor cause with just a level 5 character. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Salt the Land]]==<br />
Just noticed this [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Salt_The_Land_Policy&diff=1304177&oldid=1304173 edit of yours]. No biggie for me but what history exactly? Are you claiming old RRF alts don't retire to squat the Blackmore anymore? I know from talking to Murray that RRF doesn't support [[Salt the Land]] as such except in Ridleybank of course so I'm just curious as to your reasoning.--[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 04:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Simple history. That sentence implied that it had ''always'' been the focus of the RRF's hold on Ridleybank. The focus was Moggridge PD back when Petro founded the Front. The Gray Guard retire there, not Blackmore. The only reason that Blackmore sees so much action in the 'bank is due to survivors constantly focussing on it, see tomorrow's stupidity. Because of the harmans' focus on this, the Praetorian Guard are forced to spend time there, not due to any orriding policy or tactical bias. <br />
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:Only Moggridge holds special significance, Blackmore is just another building. It's just the most popular location for idiots to organise themselves into buffets though. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Dear god==<br />
That ranting Gryphon video was hilarious. I thank yuo deeply for letting me stumble upon its truthful awesomeness,--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 01:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:You are most welcome, be sure to also watch:<br />
:[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q71cMRGXx9o Global Warming] <br />
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:[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dMbKqtjv2vM&feature=related Do your job!]<br />
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:There's other stuff there, but those three are the best. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Your sig==<br />
Can you please deblink it? Feel free to keep the text but it really is irritating. Thanks. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 21:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Compliance. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Tak.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==If I may ask==<br />
Why do you insist on splitting hairs to the degree that you do? This is a serious question. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Enforceable precedent is the only thing that can guarantee consistent and fair treatment to users in this community. Given that the community has rejected the notion of making sysops into moderators time and again, ''someone'' has to remind everyone when these statutes are ignored.<br />
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:The constant interpretation of simple black and white rules and the inability of sysops to vote misconduct on textbook cases is a form of moderation. It is the changing or selective application of these policies without oversight or censure that is an insidious form of moderation. If a policy is wrong it should still be continued to be enforced until it is changed through the established channels. The resistance to this very simple process by the admin team whilst they continue their ways forces normal users to loudly point this out. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You misunderstand me. I agree with the premise that rules should be adhered to, but the degree to which you take it strikes me as... excessive. I mean, take [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_10#User:Iscariot|this example]]. Does it not seem to you that claiming the difference between using {{tl|s}} and <code><nowiki><s></nowiki></code> tags as being sufficient to make one legal and the other not is at all a little ridiculous? They both accomplish the same purpose, only in slightly differing visual ways. I don't think you're going to achieve a great deal apart from the loss of your own credibility in the eyes of most (I know you don't care about what most people think, but if you're serious about your goals then you're going to need other people on your side) and - if you insist on challenging rules in such silly little ways - perhaps even your bannage. <br />I would even go so far as to put it to you that you even lose out to the wording of the rules - there is a clause somewhere (which I can't be bothered finding, but you should know of it given the length of time you've been around) in the guidelines that allows sysops to go against the exact lettering of a rule if it means keeping to its spirit. I don't think any of the things you have accused any sysop of doing in recent times have been in contravention of any rule's spirit. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Normally the aren't different, but because the template specifically states the method that should be used it overrides that. If a sysop can't strike a vote correctly when the template telling them to do so is on the same page, how can the community trust them to be in charge of banning and deletions. Take my example about deletions, both function to remove the content, but because there is clear procedure about what a deletion means that takes precedence.<br />
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:::Credibility on this wiki is not something I'm concerned about frankly given the conduct of those on the administration team. The policy you quote can be found [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Guidelines_Rehashed#General_Conduct|here]]. The specific section is ''"Moderators, as trusted users of the wiki, are given the right to make judgment calls and use their best discretion on a case-by-case basis. Should the exact wording of the policies run contrary to a moderator's best good-faith judgment and/or the spirit of the policies, the exact wording may be ignored."'' There are two immediate problems with this sentence. Firstly the word 'moderators' is still in there. [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysops_are_not_Moderators|Policy]], that users took time to debate and vote on, from February 2007 clearly states that ''"Each official document ranging from the System Operator Guidelines to the Suggestions page would have any mention of Moderator replaced with System Operator, and Mod replaced with Sysop."'' Why has this not been done? Twenty months later and this simple maintenance, the raison d'etre of the sysop team has not been done. The second problem is the use of the words 'trusted users', sysops are no longer perceived to be trusted by the community in general, the meta community that is, how many more users do you think we'd have if that was changed?<br />
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:::As for changing the rules, again I don't think it'll allowed to happen by the admin team. Either they'll slander the user to Kevan [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Vote_Striking|until he uses his veto]] or they'll just remove the policy and [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_05#User:Jorm|take (or have someone else) take the author to A/VB]]. It won't happen and will kill this wiki as a community. It'll become an out of date former resource because the admin team wanted to act like Brainstock mods. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::That's the document that was voted on. [[A/G#General_Conduct|Here's]] the official policy document, which is "moderator" free. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 11:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's still an 'official document' is it not? Then according to the voted policy that should have also been changed. I did have a link to a different example which demonstrated the selectiveness in application of such changes by the admin team, but I appear to have lost it. I'll see if I can find it when I get off this work computer. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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So basically, that whole arbies case is being made because you're "rules lawyering" and because of a rule that technically isn't official in the way that people like it nowadays?--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 13:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Dunno, all I know is that Iscariot is normally pretty reasonable but acts very strange around the wiki. It confuses me to no end.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Arbies case==<br />
I've ruled on the case, head over and check it out.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hey, i've reduced the Southall groups down to one line, please make the entries fit into one line (for the sake of this we'll go on my monitor (17 inch, 180x1024). I'd do it but i'm not sure how to cut down the zookeepers entry or your one (the two that go over the one line measurement) so yeah. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Ahh scrap that, the templates on the right now. It's fine how it is. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning==<br />
This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am entitled to post here to inform you of it. Please do not unstrike your own struck votes from suggestions which have been struck as trolling votes by a sysop. Attempting to avoid this by claiming that it was blanked rather than struck does not distract from the fact that it was clearly a trolling vote that was removed by a sysop. Please do not repeat this behaviour as you may face a ban from the wiki. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yet another case of established guidelines not being followed by sysops. The process of a sysop strike is clearly different from a normal user blanking a vote, although Gnome may be a sysop he did not strike it in the correct manner meaning it cannot count as a sysop strike. It would be like a sysop removing all content from a page after receiving a deletion request and instead just removing all content from the page in question. Although functionally similar, they are demonstratively different in that any user could remove all content from a page (or blank a vote) but only a sysop can delete the page in question (or strike a vote).<br />
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:Enforcing the written and provable guidelines seems to be some sort of anathema to our current team of sysops. As shown above they instead decide to invent and twist these very simple to understand rules to persecute users that they are displeased with.<br />
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:I would debate this with you, but you have no right to reply here. That must really suck. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Arbies#St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese Arbies]==<br />
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I would ask that you make a decision as to whether or not the case is going forward, or drop the case entirely. It has gone a long time with no reply, and I wish to know it's status from the starter.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 21:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==[[A/D]]==<br />
Regarding your vote on several user redirect pages i have separated the case into individual cases, if you feel so inclined please recast your vote on each page relevant to how you feel about that particular redirect being kept on the wiki. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Monkey editing. ==<br />
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Wow. I got asked to join ages ago and i said i probably would. But then i found out how ridiculous the group was and just ignored it. Nice to see they've included me in my absence. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:53, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yep. I'm going to be nice and offer some wiki help, maybe point him at a firefox spellchecker. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:45, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== "Save Monroeville" Spam Vote ==<br />
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The premise for your spam vote on [[Suggestion:20081017 Save Monroeville]] is wrong; quoting the suggester, "''...every two months Monroeville restarts. Basically '''everyone's characters reset to lvl 1''' and all their skills and items removed. ''" No one will have their skills / experience carried over. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 21:42, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh wait, I just found the suggestions page of this suggestion; I thought it was deleted. I'll post this there. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 22:00, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Feel free to delete this. I'm not sure whether or not I'm allowed to delete it myself. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 02:19, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[A/A]]==<br />
Post your case, and please hurry it along a little, this shit be dragging out. Post as if you will have no more chances to convince me of your case.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:46, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[The_Perriam_Museum_(Judgewood)|the Perriam museum]]==<br />
Shamble down for a revive and [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/10-11-08_0000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_10-15__113-173-e29.html complete] [[Judgewood]]? <br><br />
:{{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:01, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Mrh? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::Revivificated. Oh, and can I be in the picture? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:18, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::If you stick around, I was at 8AP when I arrived, so it'll be tomorrow sometime if I'm online. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:34, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::I'm stuck. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 04:41, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::::Yay. Do you frequent NexusWar or any other IRC servers? Also, If you didn't see it, [[User:Dr_Cory_Bjornson/Sandbox/0|your progress]] summarised :d.. Good luck, {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 06:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::::I'm often on #rrf-ud on the Nexus War server to co-ordinate with my death cultist around 22:00 and 23:30 BST. You're following my progress? STALKER!! ;-) -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:48, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::::::I'll try and catch you there. Indeed. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 17:57, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm there. Are you? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:08, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::::::::Hm, Going to lecture at [[Malton College of Medicine]] after [[Quartly Library]]? I'll attempt to attend the completion ceremony. I suppose if a colleague were attend, that would be akin to multi abuse.. In which case two days to [[Roftwood]], Sounds like a film.. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 04:39, 25 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Where the hell did slavery allegations come from?==<br />
Anyway, about the suggestion. Yep it is a nerf to ruin, but i feel its also of benefit to ruin. Care to explain where ive gone wrong? (Please use the word asshat in your response.)--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:10, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''As Shat'''ner never said "Ransack is a two faceted skill". The ruin side (the byproduct of ransack, the destroyed building itself) has recently been buffed by the update, and most suggestions recently, including your own seek to modify this in some way. The other facet is the act of getting to this point, the conflict of clearing the building and damaging it. Your suggestion buffs the first facet whilst nerfing the second. It'll mean that zombies will now have to breach the cades, see off the actives, kill the harmans ''and'' then spend even more AP to gain the damage. Hordes like [[MOB]] or [[The Second Big Bash]] are obviously not going to even notice the difference, however the small feral groups of players who happen to be online at the same time and have a good run with the RNG against the cades are really going to notice this and suffer.<br />
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:It'll increase the possibility of zerging meatshielding (albeit in a tiny proportion) and re-increase mall centric play, which is something I'm against.<br />
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:The gamespace/realspace comparison I was making is obvious, compare a large 5 star hotel's interior space with that of a back street boozer, in game they both require the same amount of AP even though there is a huge difference in their areas. The notion that malls would require more AP to ransack did not appeal to me for this reason. I understand you needed to demonstrate a 'downside' in order for the suggestion to stand a hope of passing, but I thought you picked the wrong one.<br />
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:Don't get me wrong, it's not a ''bad'' or ''broken'' suggestion, it's just one I disagree with, resulting in one of my rare Kill votes rather than a Spam or Dupe. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:36, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks for an informed and reasoned response. Unlike Shatner's singing career.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:46, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==You is creating hostile work environment badz!==<br />
{{leia}}<br />
Why do I encourage you.... Tell me why? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:25, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Because you know I'm made of 100% pure unrefined awesome :D -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:51, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Must be midichlorians. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:37, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== policy note ==<br />
lets talk about this before it turns into an edit war. honestly I don't think it needs the note at all, seeing as how it has a handy link at the bottom leading to Category:Policy, and on said page it clearly states "This page is about in-game policies. For official wiki policies, see Category:Policy Documents". having the same info twice just seems redundant.--{{User:Blood Panther/Sig}} 00:35, 29 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I've done more thought on the matter, and I've realised I just don't care....so i put the message back. feel free to ignore/delete these comments.--{{User:Blood Panther/Sig}} 02:53, 29 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Recruitment ideas. ==<br />
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OK, ill go and have a word with the person who created [[The Great Suburb Group Massacre]]. Any idea how i find out who created that page? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:12, 28 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I forgot. It was me. What im asking myself about again? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:13, 28 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Come on Rosslessness, you know the rules of this page, put it in the right place next time.<br />
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::It was questioning whether or not there was a way of connecting the recruitment page and the group listings for each suburb page. Users could then update a timestamp and (optionally) post a recruitment add, keeping both the recruitment page and groups listings up to date. If it's possible it'll cut down on maintenance. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:36, 29 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot_and_The_Order_of_Philosophe_Knights_versus_Sarah_Aline_and_The_Upper_Left_Corner#Iscariot|Post here]]==<br />
When you're ready.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:36, 27 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[UZM]] revisions==<br />
Hi Iscariot, could you leave the page at my revision? If you go down to the zed list of groups you'll find it in there at the top. It actually makes more sense as it's directly connected with the group names, and it doesn't mess with the page design ... ie it looks better. Besides, wan's edit messes with the mod notice of grims which should remain as is. Cheers mate. --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 07:29, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Community page. "Looks" do not come into this. You have no 'ownership' claim to the page and must submit to the will of the wiki community. The edit in its status as Wan's edit is the prevailing community consensus. This is the overriding principle of the wiki.<br />
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:I thought you said you wanted a war? Anyway, your right to reply on any page in my name space is hereby revoked. You are not to edit any page or talk page that is preceded by 'User:Iscariot'. I do not want cheating, [[Extinction|zerging]] scum bags polluting my pages.<br />
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:Kind regards,<br />
:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 07:51, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::No worries, you guys are a riot. I'm fine with the disclaimer but will insist on leaving the mod notice as is and place the former where it belongs, right above the groups. As for scumbags well you sound like a third grader but that's what I've come to expect of the idiots that troll this wiki. You could of course just get a life instead. Cheers --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 14:49, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Bug Report==<br />
Just letting you know that I've responded to [[Bug Reports#Adding contacts/logged out/certain people|your bug report]], and that it is most likely a feature, not a bug. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:58, 17 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Cheers Revenant, I saw it the same day you responded. This was indeed the problem and following your advice, it has been fixed. Cheers. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:19, 19 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Recruitment page==<br />
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[[Category_talk:Recruitment#Please_revisit_the_.22large_group.22_rule|Care to comment?]] - [[User:Whitehouse]] 13:40, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[User:Soldier|Soldier]] and the [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad]]==<br />
===The Background===<br />
It is important to remember when reading this the difference between a player and their individual characters.<br />
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I, Iscariot, Patron Saint of Dupes, also maintain the Recruitment page. During routine maintenance I noticed an ad that broke the guidelines. Instead of removing it, as was my right, I decided to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASoldier&diff=1263121&oldid=1262320 inform the owner that they should correct their ad]. This user then decided to respond on my talk page with demands. I do not tolerate demands and responded appropriately.<br />
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===The Continuation===<br />
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=prev&oldid=1264220 Soldier then decided to respond ] to his disagreement with myself, the player, by listing one of my characters on his group's enemy and Kill On Sight list. He did not pick my death cultist that actively hurts the survivor cause, he chose to select my Philosophe Knight. For reference my Philosophe Knight is a pacifist, does not harm survivors and is actively moving through the entirety of Malton repairing museums and libraries. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=1268583&oldid=1268582 Over time he has added a threat rating] to the list in question and has listed my character as a 'Moderate' threat. That is on par with characters that have actually killed other survivors and higher than known and respected PKer group [[SillyLillyPilly]].<br />
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===An Act of Kindness===<br />
Instead of resolving the matter ingame with the murder of his entire group by my death cultist, I was forced to respond from the position of my Knight to avoid breaking the spirit of the anti-zerging rule. Accordingly I tried to be diplomatic and posted terms of surrender for Soldier to accept. Not only did he not agree to these terms, but the response he did give breached many of the terms.<br />
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===Resolution===<br />
Based on the subject's continued actions and attitudes, I am forced to allow my Philosophe Knight to judge him, and his group, based on the [[Philosophe_Knights/Policies|Articles of Ignorance]]<br />
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The subject is found guilty of the following crimes:<br />
:Class A<br />
::Slander<br />
:Class B<br />
::Ignorance<br />
The punishment for such crimes is clear. Repeated education by a Philosophe Knight educator or by an allied group.<br />
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The group is found guilty of:<br />
::[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Eric_bessette&diff=prev&oldid=1264397 Mass Hindrance]<br />
::Mass Slander<br />
The punishment for these crimes is also clear, addition to the Enemies of Enlightenment list and education on sight for all members<br />
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===The Knowledge===<br />
The following are known profiles of the criminals:<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1214138 Soldier]<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1324685 Zombie Hunter Recon]<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1345960 Reporter John]<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=prev&oldid=1267778 This edit also implies that SZES uses zerging tactics]<br />
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Their most likely location is [[The Murtaugh Motel]] in [[Penny Heights]]. They are known to restock in [[Giddings Mall]].<br />
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Other locations where they claim as territory are:<br />
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[[Lavor Alley School]] in [[Pitneybank]]<br />
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[[Haydon Auto Repair]] in [[Spicer Hills]]<br />
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[[The Piggott Building]] in [[Spicer Hills]]<br />
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They are known to frequent [[Wasteland 23,97]] in [[Spicer Hills]] as a revive point.<br />
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===In Summation===<br />
Soldier decided to select a non-combatant character to pick on due to a disagreement with that player's owner. He chose this character even though it is well known he is a pacifist and survivor orientated. By doing this Soldier reveals himself and his group as cowardly.<br />
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Soldier refused generous peaceful overtones and responded with hostile acts and words.<br />
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Soldier and his group have been judged enemies of enlightenment and will be added to the Philosophe Knight Kill On Sight list. Their names and profiles will be forwarded to all allied groups and organisations that the Philosophe Knights are associated with.<br />
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'''Soldier's right to reply is hereby revoked. He is no longer welcome to post on any page in Iscariot's namespace. Precedent in Vandal Banning shows that an individual posting on another's namespace after specifically being informed that they are unwelcome constitutes an act of vandalism. Any breach will be reported.'''<br />
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-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} for [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young|Damon Young, Knight of the Philosophe Order]] 20:49, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:"l0l 0wnt"? Loved the links. Also:<br />
:[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1348250 SZES Officer 01]<br />
:[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1348396 SZES Officer 02]<br />
:[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1351306 SZES Officer 03]<br />
: Sorry if you don't want comments posted under this header, {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 02:10, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::You have followed the page guidelines and provided great assistance, I approve of your post!<br />
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::It also helps prove the question of potential zerging I feel.<br />
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::-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:29, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::: I wanted to die after reading [[User:Soldier|his page]] x.o..<br />
::: "Avertizement"? Wot? Logs 15, 20, and 21? lawl. It's interesting and maddening, His Incoherency..<br />
:::: {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:42, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Cycling Suggestions==<br />
When cycling suggestions, do not remove anything from the top, nor the SugVoteBox template from the voting section. Navigation is just as useful after closing than before it, and the SugVoteBox template keeps the page in Category:Suggestion Pages. Just add the template to the top and remove the things from the bottom. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 10:53, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I have no idea who did it right or wrong first or last, I just made sure it's done right THIS time. Add the template, and delete everything below the last vote. Every time. Period. And no one will complain. Or shouldn't. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:28, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::I remove everything below the last spam when I cycle suggestions, but I don't bother removing the horizontal line if someone left it there. The most important thing here is not to delete {{tl|SugVoteBox}}. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 13:28, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::That shouldn't be getting deleted because it's not at the top or the bottom of the page: the only places that need to be touched when cycling... Now, I honestly thought you knew how to do this, Iscariot. Probably just an oversight, I'll stop harassing you on your Talk page now! ;) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:44, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Apology ==<br />
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Okay, I forgive. And just for your sake I will not report about you. But under one rule: If you made a threat to my group or any of my allies' groups, I will had to declare war on your group! And to prove that I'm serious about this, you have 48 Hours to accept my appolgy. Failure would be, I don't know won't be tolerated. So to make a long story short I'm sorry and promise to stop making threats.<br />
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-- [[User:Soldier|Soldier]] 23:51, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Recruitment problem Fixed ==<br />
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Okay, I've fixed it by removing it. I admit that the flag looks like it has been made by a 8 year old. But I have to warn you, if you insult me at anything else even I don't care I had to report about it. You're lucky I don't know how but insulting will not be tolerated the second time.<br />
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-- [[User:Soldier|Soldier]] 19:29, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Firstly, fuck off! Don't bring demands to my page retard.<br />
:Secondly, go right to Vandal Banning, there's a link above. They'll also tell you to fuck right off, there is no civility policy on this wiki. Grow up.<br />
:Thirdly, read the fucking rules crotch spawn, it's not like I put them at the top so window lickers like you would be able to find them.<br />
:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:37, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Behold everyone, the stupidity of this moron!<br />
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::He dislikes my response so goes to his group page and lists [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=prev&oldid=1264220 one of my characters as a 'Psycopath'] (evidently English wasn't his best subject in school, nor was using a spell checker).<br />
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::Did he list [[User:Iscariot/Cliff_Spab|my dastardly death cultist]], a member of the renowned [[Gore Corps]]? No, this idiot decides to list my [[Philosophe Knights|Philosophe Knight]], yes, that would be the same character known to groups all over Malton as someone known for [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|rebuilding Malton and preserving knowledge]]. It's not like it says on his page that he's a pacifist or anything. Picking on a peaceful librarian, how brave of the mighty [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad]].<br />
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::It would be wrong of me to use my death cultist to shoot him for his blatant stupidity, that would be [[zerging]]. Accordingly I'll have to respond from the view of my Philosophe Knight. He doesn't shoot people, so, what shall I do?<br />
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::This idiot has 48 hours from the time of this post to write a grovelling and sincere apology and post it on this page. This apology is to be perfect in its spelling and grammar. He is also to remove my listing from his group's page permanently. The place of my listing is to be taken by an apology directed at every reader of his page apologising for his poor spelling and grammar and continued acts of stupidity on this wiki. This apology is to remain in place for three months.<br />
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::Failure to comply with this benevolent compromise will result in the following action<nowiki>:</nowiki><br />
:::'''1.''' He and his group shall be added to the Philosophe Knights' enemy list. Every Knight coming across himself or his group will execute on site. Unlike the [[Rogues_Gallery_%28Brainstock%29|Rogue's Gallery]], there is no way off this list.<br />
:::'''2.''' The names and profiles of his group shall be passed to all [[Player Killer]] groups allied with the Philosophe Knights. These groups include the [[Spartans]], [[Lebende Tote]] and the [[Flowers of Disease]] amongst others. I trust the consequences are obvious.<br />
:::'''3.''' As before, names and profiles will be passed to the [[PKA]] so that all member groups can add to their target lists. As various groups are in the middle of two large events, the [[Malton Uprising]] and the [[Red_Rum/PK_Olympics|Player Killer Olympics]], this means that idiot boy and his group won't have many hiding places at all.<br />
:::'''4.''' All survivor groups allied with the Philosophe Knights will be asked to restrict aid and contact to this group. Such venerable organisations that would be approached include the [[Quartly Study Group]], [[The Fortress]] and the [[MCM|Malton College of Medicine]].<br />
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::I'd advise against 'fighting back'. The last group that tried fighting a [[Imperium Must Die|PK coalition]] suffered [[Invasion of Gibsonton|crushing defeat and humiliation]].<br />
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::-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:04, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::Who is this fool? Why does he commit the crime of slander so freely?--{{User:DT/Signature}} 21:39, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|The Culture Tour 2008]]==<br />
Hello, is there anyway assist in anyway on your humble [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|quest]]?<br />
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Since I see the suburbs left are, According a [[Suburbs|map]], derelict, You might care for an extra hand?<br />
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As a sidenote, I've been considering attempting to join the [[Philosophe Knights]].<br />
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{{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 02:59, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:All vetting of potential applicants for the Order takes place on our forum. You can login with 'The Visitor' account and apply for membership for one of your characters.<br />
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:Given that you may consider entry into the group at some point in the near future, being conscious of the spirit of the zerging rules, I must respectfully decline your offer of aid. Even accidentally I, nor the Order, do not not run the risk of multiple alt abuse ever.<br />
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:However, do feel free to follow the progress of the tour and attend the completion celebration at [[Quartly Library]] at the conclusion of my odyssey.<br />
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:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:32, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Would you accept a revive? Also, [[Dakerstown]] is survivor held, Atleast in some capacity. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 00:43, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::I accept random revives all the time, feel free. My next target is Eastonwood, I have intelligence that some of our allied survivor groups have been repairing in that area. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:48, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::Alright, That isn't a large deviation of my course to [[Dakerstown]], After I finish dispatching this [[Zombie|breach]] at [[Southall Mansion]].. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::With your last two postings, 11/9/08 and 12/9/08, Would you accept assistance at this point? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:31, 14 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::I will accept any assistance anyone can give me based on publicly available information. I would however still urge you to join the Order, or perhaps one of our affiliated or allied groups. Malton College of Medicine perhaps? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:21, 19 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Internal Header==<br />
Whats an internal header?<br />
:OK, for starters, sign your posts, put <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your post to do this.<br />
:Secondly internal headers are the sections surrounded by equals signs. They create a link from the contents box at the top. If you use more than the current section it is in you create an internal section of the preceding one. Such headers are banned from recruitment ads as they screw up the page by doing this. This is why I removed your ad, am about to do it again and will continue to do so for as long they remain in there. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:40, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==My 'brainstorming' page==<br />
Since almost every person who ever voted on one of my suggestions ever has been complaining that I've come up with nothing but crap, I created [[User:Blake_Firedancer/Developing_Suggestions|this brainstorming page]] for me to develop ideas before I put them on Talk:Suggestions. I've got a couple of ideas up there already, and some feedback would be appreciated. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 11:46, 22 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Why dont you tell me what I did wrong?==<br />
When I added the M-BEK pages you deleted it. Im no expert on it and im sure alot of people are so maybe you can help me cause you seem to know what youre doing.--{{User:Doctor Oberman/sig}} 17:40, 17 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:All ads on the recruitment page must conform to the standards set out clearly at the beginning of the page. One of these criteria is that no ad should have any internal headers of any kind. Any ad that does not conform to the guidelines can be deleted immediately. Yours was. <br />
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:If you'll notice, I did put the reasoning in the edit summary. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:51, 17 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Problem with the recrutment Page==<br />
Hi - when I went on to update the timestamp on my recrutment advert I noticed that it was centre allingned. Upon closer inspection I found that everything from the '''C''' section onwards was centre aligned (which I know isnt suppose to be). It appears that "Cheap Ass Survivors : Pro-Survivor" groups recrutment adverticment is whats causeing it. I would sort it myself but I dont want to change anything incase I make a mistake or incase you need permission to edit peoples recrutments (I dont want to get into any trouble) - this is the reason I came to you. I know that you moniter and keep the recrutment page upto date so could you please have a look at it and see if it can be fixed. Many thanks in advance --[[User:Feon Kensai|Feon Kensai]] 10:19, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:No-one needs permission to alter any advert that is breaking any of the guidelines or is breaking the page. I've had a look at the page and ad in question and can't see anything wrong. It might just be the way my screen's set up so I'll get Whitehouse to have a look. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:34, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::No error in your browser, we were just looking at the wrong ad. If you look at the "C" header it was also centre aligned, as such it must have been the last ad in "B" section causing the "C" header and subsequent articles to centre. Appears that Browncoats recruitment ad hadn't closed their tags, causing articles below them to be included as part of their table and as such centred. Fixed now. [[User:Whitehouse]] 18:26, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Cheers dude, I suck at wiki formatting so I thought you'd be able to pick up on it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:31, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==deleted my ad==<br />
i was wondering y you deleted my ad and i request that you dont do it again or i will report you.<br />
--[[User:Fanglord2|Fanglord2]] 15:48, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:He would have deleted your ad because it was out of date. When the timestamp is two weeks old, the ad is removed. He's done nothing wrong. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:49, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::y would he do that i never knew were were supposed to restamp it?--[[User:Fanglord2|Fanglord2]] 15:51, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::'''After two weeks as measured from the timestamp the entire advert may be removed for inactivity / non-compliance. It is the group’s responsibility to update the timestamp to avoid having the advertisement deleted.'' <--- It says that at the top of the page in the guidelines. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:53, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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oh ok sorry my Apologys i reupdated it.--[[User:Fanglord2|Fanglord2]] 15:57, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Don't look a gift horse in the template==<br />
{{iscariot}}<br />
It's a shame that George Carlin had to <s>die</s> have a terminal episode for me to come up with this template Play on Names. I just didn't want to make one with a bible picture for you. Too obvious. This is much better. Enjoy. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:45, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Please go to http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Deletions and vote Keep so that the Grimch doesn't try to delete the template I made for you (and others). Thank you. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 13:06, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Your services are required==<br />
OK. There's a couple of my suggestions on the Talk:Suggestions page that are getting some good feedback, but before I progress with them any further, I want you to check to see if they're duplicates. Honestly, I'm useless at finding dupes as I can never really figure out where exactly to look for 'em.<br />
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You, on the other hand, seem to be pulling dupes left, right, centre and any other direction one can think of. So, I would like you to search for dupes for my suggestions, to see if they should go up to Suggestions.<br />
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[[Talk:Suggestions#Generator_Efficiency|Find the dupe #1!]]<br />
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[[Talk:Suggestions#Mega-Syringes|Find the dupe #2!]]<br />
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Thank you in advance --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 13:32, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'm rushed off my feet with the real world at the moment, so you'll forgive me for not finding the exact links.<br />
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::::Number one (Going on the current 2.0 version on the linked page). This isn't ''a'' suggestion, this is several. That's going to get it killed as a suggestion from the start. Anyone who dislikes any aspect of the many things you are trying to implement is going to kill the whole thing on that basis.<br />
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::::The tuning of generators to run longer (with and without a prerequisite skill) has been done before. It was generally shot down due to the massive factor of the AP balance already in favour of survivors. This will get shot down for the same reason and by trenchies who don't want PKers lighting up their Fortresses of Eternal Darkness for longer to shoot them.<br />
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::::Number two (Going on the current suggested version). The notion of using that survivor's DNA is complex, as well as an open opportunity for zergers to have syringe mules specifically for themselves. Having it cure infection is what's going to get this spammed to death though due to the bigger implications. It means infection is no longer a problem, survivors no longer have to expend APs and revives holding malls and hospitals, this will cause an almost game breaking swing in AP balance from the current pro survivor to ''massively'' pro survivor. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:07, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Rumor is Iscariot gained his dupe-finding abilities because while on a field trip, he was bitten by a radioactive dupe, and now he has the superpower of being able to find them with a special 'Dupe Sense' --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 16:50, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Actually I use a special superpower call "Common Sense" when it comes to dupes. It works very well.<br />
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::I was once bitten by a radioactive redhead....that was fun :) -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:07, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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==RE: The Recruitment Page ==<br />
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I think I cleared up the mess. I used the last revision by you as a basis, then added all the correct changes to that. The only ad I forgot to put back in was the DK one which I'll do now (without destroying the page). - [[User:Whitehouse]] 13:34, 23 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Torches==<br />
Seriously - I want to know.<br><br />
If they call flashlights torches (first successfully commercially produced by Everready in 1899), what do our Brit friends across the puddle call a torch (the fiery kind)?<br><br />
Tell me Tell me Tell me! I need to know now. This question tortures my mind now. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 14:29, 29 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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Flame torches are called torches, flashlights are called Electric torches. Answer your question?--[[User:JustAnotherWebSurfer|PX]] 22:11, 8 September (BST)<br />
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==Talk:Suggestions==<br />
You know I wrote the guidlines for that page right? The intent was for suggestions to be removed once discussion had ceased, the 5 days thing is just to be sure it really is dead, when the author themselves say they have no intention of continuing the discussion the suggestion can and should be removed.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:33, 27 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Great(!) More rules written one way and then acted on by sysops in a completely different manner. That's just what this wiki needs. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:43, 27 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Your Keep on Triangulation==<br />
'''''Keep''''' - ''This is a dupe, but I like innocent bystanders being murdered, so if someone wants to dupe it they can go find the link themselves. -- Iscariot BB2 PK WTE 18:34, 25 May 2008 (BST)'' - This cracked me up for 2 reasons. (1) it's the second time I've ever seen you vote keep on anything (first time voting keep on something which will actually pass), and (2) the keep reasoning is hilarious :) --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:48, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:I'm actually waiting someone to whine and take me to A/VB for it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:53, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Not so sure they will - like I said I think this was more about trying to 'get me' than about the structure by which I rsepond to incredibly long winded posts on my user page. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 19:14, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I meant for the keep vote. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:23, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::That would be hilarious too. People are way anal about the wiki --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 19:55, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==That Crucifix thing==<br />
Wow... you've never voted keep on a single idea of mine and even I've never had that sort of animosity towards you. There some underlying history between the two of you, like there is with me and some members of the Malton Globetrotters? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:31, 24 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:I tend not to have animosity towards people in general. While I may think certain ideas are bad, it has no bearing on my view of the people making them. However, the hypocrisy of religious dogma gets to me, as do cheating scumbags. That moron is proven to have created alts on the wiki to try and force suggestions through. Accordingly I hope he fucks off and dies. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:36, 24 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::How did they prove he created them? Just curious, because no one's been able to find out who created the stupid sock puppets that ruined my nailgun suggestion. Which I'm still annoyed about. I'm probably going to be holding off on bringing nailgun v2.0 to a vote until the zombie population rises a bit. Can't really make weapon suggestions when the survivor population is doing better - it's self-defeating. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:47, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::[[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_04#User:Gabdewulf|Proof here]]. There are all sorts of screens and buttons that sysops get to check these things. Send your suggestion up, remember PR actually means nothing, Ankle Grab came from rejected. I'd also like to point out the current stats and the lack of whining from 'my side' as opposed to the amount of whining from 'your side' when the situation was reversed. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:53, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Not that I'm implying that The Dead are 'your side' but they did quite a bit of kvetching. And there was that whole 'On Strike' thing that I've heard a lot about (though it was long before my time). I do agree that survivors acting like trenchies are far more likely to whine than zombies acting like griefers are likely to whine (again - I'm not calling you a griefer, I'm talking about the extremes on both sides). In any case, it's a moot point. I've been playing zombies lately more than survivors, despite my wiki stance, and I think I know which of my alts I am going to turn PKer. Just need to wait until work eases up a bit so I can have time to post on the forums to get advice. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 14:33, 29 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Giddings Mall Page==<br />
Please stop edit warring and take the issue to Arbitration. I'm leaving the page protected until the case begins so get a move on. This has gone on way too long. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:38, 17 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Get off your high horse. Just looking into the History, I can see at least 3 occasions of you being involved in the edit warring. I've put the above comment on because you were one of the 3 involved in it, and protected the page to stop the other two going at it when they come back on. Stop moaning. I'm not picking on you. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:53, 17 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Sorry Sir==<br />
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Hi Iscariot, sorry about my "impersonation" of you, which, while related to temporary feelings of anger at being called a retard, also had a lot to do with a misunderstanding of site policy and a sudden joyous power trip realization of the kinda crap you can get away with over the internet (that suggestion was my first wiki edit evar!) Anyway, I won't do it again even if you severely piss me off, and I hope there's no hard feelings. See you round the wiki ---[[user:Pac8s|Pac8s]]<br />
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BTW, I really like your alternate server idea, although it seems really complex to put into action of course. Do you have resources to do it, or are you talking to anybody about it? Obviously people object to sweeping changes of the existing Malton map, but I agree with you that Urban Dead is really far from feeling in-genre, and I think alternate cities are an excellent solution to that problem. --[[User:Pac8s|Pac8s]] 02:27, 18 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I do not have any resources to do it, computing is witchcraft to me. The development on version 2.0 stopped after it went on the suggestions page for comment. It really needs version 3.0 doing due to the Monroeville lessons, just I can't be bothered. I have another idea for an alternate server, but....can't be arsed. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:18, 20 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Moderation ==<br />
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cuntdrama was perma banned as a vandal, that's why his comment was removed. Do not revert. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 00:13, 15 May 2008<br />
:#Read the rules of the fucking page, it's not like I put them at the top or anything....<br />
:#Who banned him? And who made the report? And who ruled on that? You better hope I don't find the answer I suspect I'm going to find or you can go ahead and write your next misconduct case yourself. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:18, 15 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Are you tripping on shrooms kiddo ? First of all, yeah it was me the one who banned him. His user name was a offensive towards a established user from this community, that alone is reason to ban him. Would you like us to take lightly on a Shitcariot user who were only harrasing every edit you make ? He also posted a goatse picture in the wiki, you think that's good faith ? He even dedicated it to conn. Now... put your gun where your mouth is, or STFU... i dont need an ass threatening me every time i do my job in here. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 00:27, 15 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Actually, I think he'd just laugh if somebody named themselves shitcariot. It'd be funny if you asked me. I wish I had a vandal named after me...--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:36, 15 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Pooicidal angel? Shagnat? Smelita? Twitscariot? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 14:37, 29 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==OOooOO!==<br />
Is Santlerville the only burb in Malty with no librarys or museums? Or are you boycotting for some other reason? And why doesn't the tour include schools?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:01, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unless you can show me otherwise, or I've missed something (possible given the speed with which I made that list) then I believe that [[Santlerville]] is the only [[suburb]] that doesn't play host to a [[library]] or [[museum]]. No wonder the population spend most of their time drunk....<br />
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:I've been meaning to go ask the Beavers for suggestions for an alternative location to visit in order to include Santlerville in the tour.<br />
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:I deliberately kept schools out due to the nature of the school system and teachers to sour peoples' attitudes to education and self betterment. I still need to get confirmation on the layouts of the mansions, studies and libraries there will also be included, but the wiki seems to be lacking. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:08, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yeah i can't think of one of the top of my head. Us Santlervillians are more the [[Dowdney Mall|shopping]] and drinking type, although we are also quite [[St. Emelia's Church (Santlerville)|religious]] and don't like to travel, with only one railway station in the suburb. [[The Sweatman Motel]] is a great place to go if you're looking to expand your mind. If you didn't think one person being twenty people was possible, just check the pavement outside The Sweatman, it's mind blowing.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:04, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Recruitment Removal==<br />
Hi - I know that yesterday you removed the Deck of 52 recrutment post. I need you to tell me what the date on the time stamp said please because I think I may have made a mistake with timing/schedual for when Im to update the timestamp - can you please get back to me on this and help me out - THANKS in advnace --[[User:Feon Kensai|Feon Kensai]] 16:28, 2 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Thank you for your time a quick responce - I guess I got my timing wrong LOL (will up date it weekly now) - I promiss this wont happen again and sorry. I have to commend you for your quick action of keeping the recrutment page up to date though ;) - nicly done. Thanks again for your time - you helped a lot (I have a bad memmory). Cya around. <br />
P.S: Sorry I put this subject at the bottom of the talk page :( - I will pay more attention next time --[[User:Feon Kensai|Feon Kensai]] 13:46, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==They're asking questions==<br />
Over [[User Talk:Hagnat|here]], just thought you should know *nods and walks off* --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:50, 26 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes indeed. It struck me as curious that despite being inactive for two months, you were able to check the PK forum nearly every day. That's why I sent you the private message earlier. (Also because my job as the PK's on-duty librarian is in part to maintain the active member lists and other information in the library reference collection, and I was trying to figure out how to place you.) -- {{User:VI/signature}} 00:43, 30 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Ha ha ha! That's hilarious. And to think I've been totally confused all this time. I've seen the sort of window-thing you're talking about before, so I know what you mean. Anyway, sorry about bothering you. Spies are no threat at all to the Knights, but I keep my eyes open regardless, partially because it's fun to find them, and partially because having a the PK riddled with spies would sort of destroy our reputation as mysterious and esoteric. -- {{User:VI/signature}} 00:50, 30 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::I look forward to it. It seems you have your work quite out out too, what with the state of things these days. Praise Knowledge, as they say. -- {{User:VI/signature}}00:57, 30 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Our Talk==<br />
Iscariot, I think we should continue our talk in your page instead of in Gab's since it no longer has anything to do with anything he was saying :)<br />
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What did you mean by me being a bad luck charm since one of my characters tends to be in the Buttonville area? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 00:21, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Feel free to move the whole thing over here so it doesn't clutter his page.<br />
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:You? Bad luck? [http://www.barhah.com/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=9846&sid=490b22c469d9ad8730cf43e3a4860f40&start=15#p152753 Have you read the Zombie forecast?] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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You said: "''Somebody'' has to speak up for zombies on that page otherwise we'd have survivors in mechs. My 'PKer' doesn't kill anyone, and is actually on a tour to visit and repair buildings... yeah, he helps zombies ....:P<br />
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I think you're confusing pure DCing with other things, however you are definitely misunderstanding what I mean by fun! ;) -- Iscariot"<br />
Oh I have no problem with you sticking up for zombies. I actually like when you point out dupes for me so that I don't make a fool of myself in Suggestions. And the comment you made about letting zombies use sledgehammers I think got me a few keep votes when I made sure to make it clear that zombies -can- use sledgehammers. <br />
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:Dupes are easy to point out, just waste some time on the old suggestions. I still don't like that sledgehammer suggestion, but with support like that it's a bit pointless bothering. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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I realize that right now I am basically a pro-survivor suggester (although my not enough shotgun suggestion was definitely not pro-survivor), but that's only because I started playing the game right when The Dead started playing so I have a certain view of things. I do try to make my suggestions balanced though... you never see me suggesting mechs or machine guns or flamethrowers, now do you. <br />
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:There's nothing wrong with being prosurvivor, there's something wrong with being trenchie, you don't want to do that. Go hang out with the classy survivors at Beerhah. You'll notice that the majority also have zombie alts.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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And if you're a PKer who kills for some actual purpose, rather than wanting to make people who take the game tooooo seriously cry, then I commend you :) <br />
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:Don't kill people full stop. Complete pacifist, wearing the garb and group tag of one of the oldest and well known PK groups in the city. That's fun. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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Actually, my favorite PKer group is Red Rum - I actually have considered making a PKer character and seeing if I could join them. They're one of the few PK groups I've seen who actually look fun. <br />
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:Convert one of your current survivors, it's hell if you start PKing from level 1. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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I just don't find that playing my zombie would be fun if I was being total zombie/Death Cultist, at least while the Dead are on the march. I'd feel like I'm taking advantage of a bunch of cheaters being currently in the game. Even though that wouldn't make me a cheater, i'd feel like one by association. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 00:21, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Some people, even career zombies, don't like DCing. TBH I only use it as a label for shorthand, I've been working on a philosophy of something very different for a potential new group. Playing a zombie doesn't mean you have to associate with The Dead. I recommend RRF or MOB, I know people in both (as well as a few other hordes) and they'll look after you and make you smile in ways you didn't think possible in this game (see Zoey and I singing and dancing in the middle of a safehouse being destroyed). Once you have a zombie alt, you'll realise where the fun is in this game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==RE:Recruitment==<br />
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Hey, I'm no longer looking after that page. Had to give it up to deal with real life stuff. It'd be great if you'd be willing to keep it tidy. - [[User:Whitehouse|W]] 23:40, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:14 days and out is correct. I used to edit out ads that had minor flaws (using <nowiki><!-- / --></nowiki>), and I'd delete ads which breached the major rules. Either way works, you should leave a dated comment under the removed ads header explaining what was wrong. If they don't do anything within two weeks of your comment, just remove the header. Good luck. - [[User:Whitehouse|W]] 23:53, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Can I pick your mind?==<br />
Hey, I was reading on the posts and you seem to know every dupe ever posted so could I question you on those grounds?[[User:Gabdewulf|Gabdewulf]] 04:39, 21 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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A Zombie respawn, basically when a zombie is killed, they stand up somewhere other than where they were killed, has been already been suggested, right?. Do you remember where or when?<br />
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Also, walls or other means of limiting travel and zombie's human memories of building names, what kind of suggestions have been brought about these? [[User:Gabdewulf|Gabdewulf]] 16:44, 21 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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My focus is strictly on Malton. I didn't get into Monroeville because it seemed purely temporary. <br />
:Yes it was always designed to be temporary.<br />
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While, yes, low levels zombies have to spend a sizeable chunk of the current game day standing up, how many days of game play are lost by pro-suriviors when thier killed? A pro-surivior has to stand up, travel to a rp, and wait and hope that someone is reviving. Also with the current state of the city, a great many of the RP are abandoned. As far as time goes, pro-surivior suffer higher penalties for getting back in the action after death even when compared to a zombie being head shotted every single day. Because at the very least, a zombie gets to play thier character every single day.<br />
:You don't have to just go be a mrh? cow at a RP, you could scout, move about, decade overcaded buildings.<br />
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Also, its been my experience that very few low level zombies worry about the 2ap traveling by zking, unless maybe thier a meat shield, to get the early skills.<br />
:2AP to move hurts, a lot. Also ZKing cuts your XP gain in half, and remaining stationery broadcasts your position to trenchies who then headshot you for more AP loss.<br />
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Creedy fell cus the zombies focused on the fort, while the defenders focused on the nieghborgood. And, even with the entire neighborhood's buildings being pretty heavily secured, the zombies just strolled past and started the seige on the fort. And this is the agruement for walls/movement and/or removal of bulding names. The repeated pattern seems the mass of zombies skiping into green neighborhoods, destroying the resource buildings with meat shield tactics, and letting lower levels finish the suriviors. <br />
:Erm, no. Creedy fell because forts are death traps. The Bash used the same tactics against a mall and were stuck for two weeks. I should know, I was there. Zombies are ''supposed'' to go into green suburbs and eat everyone, that's the point of a zombie apocalypse. You are evidently confusing meat shielding tactics with something else, meat shielding is a survivor tactic. Allowing low levels to gain the kill bonus is entirely legal, survivors could do the same if they got organised.<br />
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But even with the current numbers of s/z, the survivours are being crowded into a smaller area. The majority of the city is at the red level and kept there by alts so the survivours can't escape. The overcrowding causes survivours search rate to increasingly reduce, which will cause the city to shrink further. What happends when the zombies finish destroying the city? How many players will/have left by then?<br />
:What search rates are you on about? Search rates are at the highest they've ever been since I started playing the game. I remember when it took a week to stock up on ammo. I do that now in a day.<br />
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And the agruement about zombie player being a minority is that zombie player, when revive, are PKing. When surivours die, they either zombie or are waiting to revive. [[User:Gabdewulf|gabdewulf]] 22:56, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your point? Also, not all zombies PK, the major hordes actually have rules against it. There should be a downside to dying as a survivor, otherwise everyone would have instant revives and we'd be playing Urban PK. And how are you having trouble finding a revive? I have The Big Bash in my group heading and have no problems. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:11, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Hey Iscariot? ==<br />
Hope you realize that I don't actually hold anything against you personally, despite that we might have... spirited... arguments and debates on talk:discussion, k?<br />
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Oh and 28 days later is a hard science fiction zombie movie, and zombies are dead, not undead. :) --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 20:36, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:If you think those are spirited arguments then you live a very sheltered life <nowiki>:P</nowiki><br />
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:Zombies are undead, dead things don't move around, zombies do. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:45, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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(gasp) Iscariot.... Are you... are you no longer the ultimate dupe finding machine? Gatehouse View? I rely on your counsel in all matters dupe-finding! :) Or did you not feel that was a dupe because of the lack of suicide ability? Did you fail me because I haven't gotten you the Doomsday girl yet - I'm trying, I swear. She isn't returning any of the calls. Thanks :) --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 15:09, 22 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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:You doubt me? The Patron Saint of Dupes? I shall smite thee with terrible vengeance and furious spamming, and ye shall know that I am Iscariot!<br />
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:I've had a busy week at work and most of my spare time has been spent watching Jericho. It's also a dupe of something in PR, I don't go there by and large, it's full of either sensible ideas, or ones more retarded than the ones in Rejected. Yes, keep working on my pretty thing, you aren't trying hard enough. :P You may substitute Cristina Scabbia if that's easier for you. <br />
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:On the subject of films, the new Indiana Jones is ''god awful'', avoid at all costs. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:29, 24 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Group Deletion ==<br />
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Hey. We no longer delete defunt group pages. As long as no one claims that name for themselves, these group pages can stay there forever. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 20:02, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Re: Keep Votes==<br />
There is a small box next to the votes that says:<br/><br />
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No matter if it's a keep, kill or spam, "THIS GIVES ME A GIRLBONER" doesn't really count as a justification and (as I also put in my reasoning) inane. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 19:54, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Mall Tunes==<br />
Hey Iscariot, I realize that this has been an issue in the past, but is there any way that we could keep the Mall Tunes section on the giddings page?[[User:William Joel|William Joel]] 21:07, 13 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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are you refering to the whole happykook thing?[[User:William Joel|William Joel]] 00:19, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Ok you win==<br />
I am not going to post anymore on the Bayonet Suggestion. Reading back over everything I think I have been too defensive. So, I came here to say I was sorry. I was incorrect that a "blood groove" assists in the removal of a bayonet from a target. Ok, I was wrong. It is there to reduce the weight of the blade. I am not looking to have problems with you, so I am dropping this issue. As I see it, we had a difference of opinions and that is it. From here on out, I have no issues with you. --{{:User:Airborne88/sig}} 01:26, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Thanks!==<br />
That little rat is sooo cute! And thanks for the message =) That video is hilarious, Rex Manning....total douchebag! Actually, kinda reminds me of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbk6kExKf2Q Gunther], ooooh you touch my tra la la --[[User:Fifth Element|Fifth Element]] 09:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Monroeville==<br />
Dear Iscariot , first i would like to thank you for fixing the PPD wiki page. I'm a newbie when it comes to editing the pages but am trying my best . Concerning the target list for WTE our scouts have been in certain areas witnessing and takeing survivor evidence of attacks . I ADMIT we have no proof of it being you guys . It has been speculation so far, as you guys are the most organized in this burb. Concerning this and pov, i will try and tone down the messages left on the burb page . But if you'd like to just tell us where you are to confirm our sightings we will gladly bring donuts ,coffee and little tents for when you are sieging buildings .Hope to keep in touch.--[[User:Flub|Flub]] 13:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC) <br />
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==Your arby against happykook==<br />
please, plenty of arbitrators hav offered to arbitrate your case. Please, list all those whom you would agree to arbitrate the case. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 23:03, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:yeah, totally missed it. Next time move the arbitration to the proper page once you have decided on an arbitrator. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 23:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The case has started. Please prepare your opening statement.--{{User:Seventythree/Sig}} 09:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Giddings==<br />
I've locked the page to stop the revert war that has sprung up and I request that you and Happykook take the matter to arbitration to sort this out. Until it is sorted, after I unlock the page, neither of you is to restore or remove the tunes until a ruling is reached on the matter. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'm going to ask that you leave Happykooks edits alone for just now. I don't want this to boil over. Please could one of you bring an arby case so we can begin getting this mess sorted out. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Please leave his edit to the Danger Report stand for now. This needs to be sorted out as I can tell that if it's not, this is going to turn into an all out flame war, which we really don't need. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I know. I'm asking this so that we can avoid name calling and accusations for the time being. Could one of you please make an Arby case so that an arbitrator can get this sorted out. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You have been served an Arbitration Case by Happykook. I personally will be willing to arbitrate (if you are willing) as I have a clear knowledge of the case and know the grievances of both sides. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:You'll need to pick another arbitrator as Karek has withdrawn an offer. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Aye I'm off the table, however I do recommend you reconsider both Hagnat and Seventythree, they are two users that I would trust to arbitrate a case I'm involved in and I have little doubt they would attempt to settle the dispute in a neutral and proper manner.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Have a template==<br />
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{{Template:Killitforward}}<br />
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Thought Id return the favour. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Damn the Man! ==<br />
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are you perhaps an Empire fan? ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:'shock me shock me shock me with that consistent behaviour'. you said it regarding survivors voting on some suggestion... :P good to find a fellow lover. There's a complete script someone on the net that i occasionally flick through just to amuse myself. We should def get an empire template going...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah i used to think that SexyRexy was named after THE sexy rexy, not some random nfl player...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Empire Records}}<br />
:::And don't thank me, thank [[User:Fifth Element|Gina]] ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==More A/VB==<br />
A few points:<br />
#Sign your posts<br />
#Present accurate diff comparisons. Skipping revisions in diffs without providing a damned good explaination as to why is extremely deceptive and is usually an attempt to get another person in trouble for impersonation when none has happened.<br />
#A/VB is not for asking about things. Go to the talk page of another sysop, or the A/VB '''talk page''' to make requests, otherwise it will be seen as a charge and dealt with appropriately. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 16:59, 6 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==A/VB==<br />
"''I'm asking for nothing short of a perma-ban.''"... seeing we didn't permban him, does that mean you refuse to accept the warning? ;) Just a little tip, don't tell the sysops what their decisions should be, or you'll end up being called a back seat mod. BTW, what's happening with the arby case? Chimera gone into hiding or summit? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 08:20 31 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:It was late over here, and in typical zed style I was eating harmans and washing it down with a brew of known provenance (Caffery's if you're interested). I just hate sore losers who go for juvenile insults when they've got nothing else. Did you see us doing the same when the Bash stalled? <br />
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:I haven't heard anything from Chimera, I shall check the precedent in such circumstance tonight and try and get this moving again. -- [[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] 15:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Arbitration==<br />
Thanks for your message. I am a new wiki user, and I am totally unfamiliar with the arbitration process. Could you possibly provide a little guidance for me? I'm not sure where to find the rules and policies. I'm also not sure how I'm supposed to go about choosing the best arbitrator, for all I have to go on right now are user profiles. Is there a way for me to access their past decisions? Thanks! --[[User:Chimera|Chimera]] 20:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Looks like Chimera has accepted you, as have I <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:08 25 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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==Sorry.==<br />
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I was looking at those proposals, really liked what I saw, but was put off by the bad use of punctuation. As such, I corrected them in order to make the page look more presentable. I was unaware that this was considered vandalism, and therefore apologise for my actions. [[User:Magnum Odus|Magnum Odus]] 00:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Thanks for the rat! ==<br />
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I appreciate it. --[[User:SexyRexyGrossman|Sexy Rexy Grossman]] 02:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== An alternative point of view. ==<br />
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Just reading your comments on siege descriptions.<br />
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Shaun of the dead. None to start with, but when david says there was only a couple before you came here, how many are there here now and di says "lots". You CAN hear moaning and some glass breaking.<br />
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Also how about in the winchester after Ed wins the jackpot on Ooh Aah Dracula, and you hear all the zombies groaning before they attack, or before they break through into the celler?<br />
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28 days later is not a zombie film. Sorry.<br />
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Resident evil. Can't hear the zombies inside the red queens control area. An underground bunker, with laser defences, where even the glass walls of the flooded lab let through only a dull thump and are strong enough to hold back the weight of an entire room of water.. Thats a secret base, under the ground. Designed specially to stop outbreaks moving between sections. So I assume soundproof.<br />
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Day of the dead. When outside you can hear them. When down a lift, across a car park and into an underground lab. No sound. That isnt the same kind of distance as the otherside of a hastily barricaded door to a mall.<br />
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I of course understand your no x ray vision argument and in all honestly its probably a bad time to suggest it 38% zombies and all that. But hey. opinions.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:OK, let's see:<br />
:SOTD - I'd be putting that down to him just having gotten in with the window still open, how many can you hear when Shaun and Liz are talking things over or when they're talking about Shaun getting them satellite?<br />
:28 Days Later - Really? I'd love to hear your explanations for this one, as, not to put too fine a point on it, I know film scholars who disagree with you.<br />
:Resident Evil - If it was designed to stop infection spreading, RQ wouldn't have killed everyone in the entire base. Also you can't hear the zombies 'sneak up' on them in the underground walkway until they attack.<br />
:Day of The Dead - Exactly, you're outside, if survivors go outside in UD they get the information this gives for free, I have no problem, but the action of going outside costs AP. Also in Dawn they are on the other side of a hastily barricaded door in a mall and can't hear a thing....<br />
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:Barring us disagreeing on our definition of hastily, a fine reposte sir. Good to see that discussion is still alive.<br />
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28 days later is not a zombie film because.<br />
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* No one says zombie<br />
* Headshots are not required, see various machete attacks, land mines.<br />
* The infected are not dead. Otherwise why would they starve "to death".<br />
* Its a blood transmitted infection, and spit and vomit. Its seems strange to me that the blood of the infected would be so fresh. Are the hearts still pumping?<br />
* The zombie soldier was knocked out, before being tied up. Ever see a zombie knocked out?<br />
* Look at the corpses in the film. The heros parents, those in the cafe, nothing like the infected who barring their eyes, have a very alive appearance.<br />
* As the taxi driver is infected, he slowly looses control of his actions. Hes not alive, then dead and then back, its a gradual process as the virus takes over his body. <br />
* The infected dont consume flesh, they are only infected with rage, the need to infect others, there is no feeding dynamic. Biting is not key.<br />
* The animal welfare people seeing the monkeys believe them to be fine.<br />
* In the sequel theres a women who has the disease, but appears normal. How can she be dead? <br />
* The Infected? Does that imply dead? Or an active carrier?<br />
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Have a present. {{Template:Zombie Nazi}}<br />
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Now, you can argue its a very zombieish film. But its really a viral outbreak film like quatermass or outbreak. I love monkeys.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh and do you have the DVD? Look at the alternative storyboard ending. where cillian murphy undergoes a complete blood transfusion with the taxi driver to bring him bank and condemn cillian to the life of an infected. That shows he isnt dead. No dead = no zombie.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: I need to mention that actually, 28 Days Later (and the sequel, 28 Weeks Later) -are- zombie films .... but only in the same way that I am Legend is a zombie film. It's a 'hard science' version of the zombie film genre, where they are not actually referred to 'as' zombies and they don't share one Romero zombie similarity - ie, they are not dead. Hard Science Fiction tends to try to do things in a way which is scientifically still plausible - having the dead actually come back to life is not plausible in a realistic setting, but having a population being in a state that mimics a zombified state for all practical purposes IS plausible, hence hard science fiction. It's worth noting that real life cases of 'zombies' in the carribean are also not dead, but rather 'bereft of any will of their own'. But other than the not being dead part, the infected in 28 days later (and I am Legend, and The Omega Man) are zombies, and all three movies are still classified as zombie movies (even the authors of the books which those movies were based on stated that it fell into the zombie genre).--[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:15, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==REing==<br />
Hey. Listen. Next time the discussion gets moved to the talk page, can you just continue it there? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I was expanding my vote, as allowed, for when Kevan would ready that since unfortunately it's heading into PR. It wasn't really discussion, just an expansion and clarification of what I'd already said. But cheers for the multiple fixes. -- [[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] 20:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:7. Using the "'''+'''" button to post a reply will result in your response being deleted out of hand. If you can't work out how to put a response at the top of the page, without breaking the page, then you're not intelligent enough to post on my page.<br />
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Posts not conforming to the above will be removed without response. Having your post removed is a clear sign I do not wish you to post here. Repeat offenders shall be taken to [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning|Vandal Banning]] as per precedent.<br />
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These rules apply without exception to any page in my userspace, that's any page that begins User:Iscariot or User talk:Iscariot.<br />
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'''If you are here to bitch and whine that I've removed your ad from the [[Recruitment|Recruitment page]], don't bother posting at all. Instead, go [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning|here]] and report me as a vandal. If you are too stupid to work out why I've removed your ad, I really don't want to hear anything from you. '''<br />
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==Was it really?==<br />
Was the case really in progress? I thought you got everything you wanted out of it with Sgt Raiden saying that he won't make any more edits about the mall tour. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">23:53/19/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:He accepted a case that was brought, therefore 'in progress'. Also after his posting of "never wanted to talk about the Mall Tour" (or whatever he said) he still continued to post blatantly false information about the group. Now, whilst I was happy for Link etc. to reason with him, for so long as he continues to edit in such a manner I will continue to seek resolution. Since as you removed the case I am forced to take the only other option open to me. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm sorry, but I looked at his edits after his comment on the arbitration case but I don't see which edits you are refering to when you say that he is still posting false information about the group. If you could point out the edit(s) then I'ld be happy to admit that I was wrong. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:07/20/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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==Ahem.==<br />
You might have answered this elsewhere but i cbf tracking it down, so why (actually) did you decline anime's nomination? I wouldn't care except that i'm considering nominating you (as you're fully aware) and your motivation for not accepting his nomination might effect my decision.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 22:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Cat 4, desire to become a sysop. Anime nominated me in bad faith for his own amusement. As we know, bad faith = vandalism, but good luck getting that through A/VB....<br />
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:As it was just for his personal amusement I had to act to remove his trolling from the wiki, because, let's face it none of the other sysops would. Isn't standing by whilst bad faith actions were taking place what they took you to misconduct for? Odd how it doesn't apply to them.<br />
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:It is purely for this reason that I removed it. I have already given Cat 4 authorisation to certain users, yourself included, for the purposes of a serious bid if that is the will of the community. If you are going to go through with it at some point in the future, just give me a heads up so I can take the page off my watchlist for the duration, I have enough to do with the Mall Tour to engage in the drama that certain users would bring to that page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Can I get some input?==<br />
I've been working on a policy that I believe is sorely needed [[User:Pestolence/001|here]], and I'd appreciate your input on it. How can it be improved, and is it even needed right now? A potential problem is what to do about current sysops: put them all up for review now (leading to a massive backlog of admin page drama), postpone the review until six months from now (simply staving off the inevitable drama till later), or something else glaringly obvious that I've overlooked? See you around. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Why?==<br />
Why do you have to be such an ass? So much of what you claim to stand against is perfectly reasonable and yet you go about it in a way designed to annoy folk. You are a wiki lawyering Fu**er but I have to applaud you for challenging those who so often seem to think they are in charge. If only you could choose your cases with less bias rather than the current sense of self righteous "WTF" i think i could actually find myself on your side... Well, at least some of the time! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 01:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
==Awesome..==<br />
..user page! (Also, the 'Wiki Martyr' part made me smile :)). So, do you really want to become a sysop? Or you're just interested in the community/sysops' answers? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 16:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm glad someone else can see the humour in my redesign. As far a being a sysop goes, I unfortunately believe it's necessary if this wiki is ever to return to its original purpose. This is the ''only'' official resource for the game and yet a majority of the metagame community avoid it, we should have three times the amount of regular contributers than we do and this should be an important stepping stone for newbies to engage with that wider community. I place the blame for this clearly in the political bias of the current administration team. What we have is a system where no-one can be promoted without being an ally of theirs and cannot be demoted unless they are willing to tow the party line as set down by them (see J3D's demotion). The will of the community, that the sysops are supposed to represent in their position as ''trusted users'', is regarded as insignificant next to their continued hold over what they percieve as an elite or superior status. We have a group of people who cannot be demoted, and that cannot have their bias nullified by promoting others (as they proved by removing J3D as soon as they could force it through, odd how the evidence was 'sysop' only, and that if J3D had made those logs public they'd have removed him anyway citing the Privacy Policy). The community is no longer represented by the administration team and as proven by Nubis today, they no longer work according to the will of the community. This is damaging this resource and ultimately the game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::What did Nubis do? So, do you think the community doesn't trust our current sysops (and that's the reason why we have very few contributions from them)? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 21:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Might have completely forgotten about this due to running the Mall Tour, sorry Janus. The [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FDiscussion&diff=1361041&oldid=1354090 edit in question]. I point directly to ''"We need a system to deal with that or add to the policy that a deletion vote can be overturned by a majority of the sysops"''. That's right, Nubis wants a system where they can summarily dismiss the community consensus as it suits them. Contrast with the current Administration Guidelines ''"As a wiki, for these actions, each user's voice has equal weight, regardless of his or her abilities"''. Even with the entire community against the image, Nubis wants to be able to overrule that consensus. The wishes of the community no longer factor into the primary reasoning of the sysops, they are no longer trusted users, but instead ''empowered'' users, and just as with Nubis' wanted new statute, they cannot be removed regardless of the will of the community. <br />
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:::See also [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FArbitration&diff=1362209&oldid=1362208 this edit by Hagnat]. He removes a case that he's involved with for false reasoning. Now I'd put that back but he'd force it through A/VB as 'spamming the admin pages'. Hagnat said he would take no part in the arbitration, when this has happened in the past other users have been selected to represent the refusing party, also his notion that intermediary edits render the case invalid is patently untrue, see the case of Jorm and MOB versus Extinction, the page in the case had many edits but as Jorm was objecting to the basic content and the act of originally posting such material as content the case continued. The same was true in this case, but Hagnat decides to sweep the case under the carpet without any hint of objection from the rest of the sysops. The case wasn't even archived, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Hagnat&diff=prev&oldid=1362275 here he attempts to justify] his actions by summarily judging the case to be 'trolling' and saying that is not normally what happens. [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Conndraka_vs._St._Iscariot|Odd how easy it is to prove him wrong....]]<br />
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:::You can also look at the general underlying hypocrisy of the sysops. A user asked whether my sig was illegal on Nubis' talk page, rather than leaving that user in suspense, I [[User_talk:SirArgo#My_Signature|went to his page]] and cleared up the confusion. I direct you to Nubis' comment below ''"But as you can plainly see Iscariot has a boner for me and is stalking my talk page"'', yes, indeed, something appears on my watch list because I've posted there before and I'm ''stalking'' him. Contrast to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHagnat&diff=1362643&oldid=1362509 this edit] where he pulls out an old edit summary whilst I was performing routine maintenance on my talk page. Yet, I'm ''stalking'' him, and he's doing nothing wrong. These are your ''trusted users''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Thank you for your answer! But now I'm curious. How can we "fight/solve" this situation in your opinion? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 12:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==2nd Warning==<br />
[[Image:Stop hand.png|40px]] - This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am obliged to post here to inform you of it. Please do not spam admin pages with trollish and irrelevant comments. You have already been formally warned for this and if you continue to edit in this manner you will have your editing privileges revoked. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==hmmm==<br />
i just realised that the drama wave that started with your case against nubis (brought after i complained it was too quiet around here) still hasn't broken. That's not a bad effort imho...also, nice page :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for your praise about my page. I feel the drama will never die down as long as the current administration team are sysops and mods as the situation suits them. Regarding your below comments about sysop candidacy, I too am interested in their reasons for denying promotion. Therefore, if you wish, you may nominate me for promotion, however due to drama reasons I will not participate in the discussion. You make take this comment as an expression of category four, expression of desire to become a sysop and note this on the nomination if you so wish. I will not participate in the discussion due to evidential bias on the part of the sysop team, however I empower yourself, Suicidal Angel and Pestolence to act in my stead, to respond to any questions and to be afforded the same response rights as I would have. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Holy crap==<br />
Your userpage is incredible. Where'd you get the image on the top? --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:My Main Page? The Dune scape? You'll be amazed at what you find when you type Arrakis into a few image sites....;) <br />
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:Thanks for the approval though, it's been driving me insane trying to get the basic page down today, it'll be tweaked when I can take the headache again. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: It is epic win. I was wondering about the Dune reference on DY's page. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 21:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Thanks!==<br />
I love my GC page! You are awesome. <3 --[[User:Fifth Element|Fiffy]] 13:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning==<br />
[[Image:Stop hand.png|40px]] - This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am obliged to post here to inform you of it. Please do not spam admin pages with trollish and irrelevant comments. This is vandalism as has been judged several times in the past. If you continue to edit in this manner you may have your editing privileges revoked. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Mall Tour]]==<br />
Why do you keep removing the '09 Mall Tour from the list? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It is the desire of the Head Tour Guide not to link to the main wiki in this way until he is happy to take the Tour public. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::After looking over everything, the tour is good to go and ready to start assembling. My thanks to Izzy for helping keeping this private until all of the start up work was complete and ready to be unveiled (nothing worse than half finished work). --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 19:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Run for sysop==<br />
yeah.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Why? As was proved by you tenure, if the current team dislike you, the changes you make or your community support they will promptly rally round and force through a demotion regardless of community consensus. The problem isn't the system, it's the people who can't be removed by a community they no longer represent. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah i'd just like to see their reasons for not promoting you.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::They'd rehash the reason Grim gave for not promoting you the first time even with enough community support, compare that to Hagnat's most recent promotion, you both had the same support from the community, except that you were active and contributing and he conveniently disappeared for most of his promotion bid, leaving three aborted policies that were only for show as no-one in their right mind would pass them. Result? You were told to sod off and he was welcomed back. You'll notice that he was ''specifically'' told to use the admin pages in his most recent promotion, when was he doing that in his recent archiving fiasco? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Deletion==<br />
I see :) Would it be meatpuppetting if a TZH's member was reported on A/VB for [[User_talk:Leroy_Jankens|all those comments]] and found 'guilty'? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 15:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No, because normal users do not get a vote on A/VB. The core of meat puppeting something is the use of a mass group of voters to enforce a change. This cannot apply to A/VB because nobody competent gets a vote there. Also they've done nothing wrong. There is no policy or precedent on this wiki that users have to be civil to each other. The case would be dismissed and give them something more to whine about.<br />
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:If someone was to secure enough support from the metagame community and then put all their group pages up for deletion (under a reasoning of no redeemable content), if those pages were deleted and they subsequently recreated them ''then'' they could be escalated under A/VB, and the pages recreated would be speedily deleted. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Your talk page is better than checkuser anyway==<br />
what's the policy on ex-sysops around these parts? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Ex-sysops are fine. Welcome back. I'm sure there'll be some sort of changes planned for the future that will once again make this wiki an unbiased and helpful resource. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm inclined to agree there, if you're meaning the Saint's talk is much more amusing than check user.--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 00:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Ex-sysops > sysops pretty much anywhere. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 01:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Boxy's Talk Page==<br />
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Thanks for that. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 00:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No probs, although I guarantee they find something to have a go at me for because of it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::They're [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABoxy&diff=1354243&oldid=1354221 conspiring against you!] --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::This is the indication of the same type of bias they used to force J3D out of office, expect Wikigate II sometime soon. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::On second thought, I took the smiley out of my OP, this isn't funny. This is totalitarianism. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 01:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't have a problem with totalitarianism, I have a problem with hypocrisy. They're sysops, but want to moderate when they choose regardless of the policies voted in or the wishes of the community. There needs to be an entire changing of the admin team, with the new team understanding that they serve the community by following the policies the community has taken the time to consider and approve. Either that or a conversion to a moderation system as Grim was trying to do, their problem wasn't with Grim's system, but with the fact he removed them from their perceived 'elite' status. I'd actually favour a moderation system, but again we'd need a complete removal of the current crop as they are entirely unsuitable. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[A/A]] ==<br />
Done, although please reply to the archive warning note in future. Thanks. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Your Talk Page ==<br />
It is epic and it is 105 kilobytes long, according to the Warning: Internet Meltdown sign at the top. It makes me happy to see so many stupid people fall on their faces here. I just managed to crawl through the SoldierUDW funfest, and the results of it, particularily in regards to people abandoning Soldier, made me giggle like a small child. It also gave me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside, not unlike Chai Tea with a small amount of Irish Cream. I demand more. Anger more stupid people so that I may get my jollies! --{{User:DT/Signature}} 05:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I dub it the Vat of Quotations. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 03:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Can you imagine some of the gems that'd be here if I hadn't removed the sysops right to edit here? As shown above however, it looks like they are setting up to randomly ban me, no cause and with the justification of ''"You make us look stupidz!"'', yeah, ''trusted users''.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::More proof that democracy cannot be trusted, as people in large numbers are never right. Hey, people let ''me'' Moderate forums on Brainstock - that's a vote for the infinite quality of human stupidity right there. I know that if you were a Brainstock mod, I'd be conspiring against you. Not for any particular reason, but conspiring nonetheless. Possibly plotting and scheming as well. Mind you, I'm not altogether certain that most Brainstock mods and Admins aren't conspiring to have me banned...--{{User:DT/Signature}} 02:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Democracy? Where? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::The democracy we'll have to use to set up the Reich of Fuhrer Grimtler! -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I personally was largely in favor of Grim taking over. Things would have run far more smoothly and efficiently. And he'd been burdened with all the SysOp duties, which would have produced fatal amounts of stress.--{{User:DT/Signature}} 02:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::You don't think he would have killed himself after losing his power and getting hit with the banhammer? He lived a pretty sad life - he had some fucked-up condition (I forget what it was) that basically meant he couldn't leave the house. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 02:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== MT09'? ==<br />
Two things:<br />
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1. You better not fail this. Mall tours are always fun. Good luck, mate!<br />
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2. Did you draw that picture? EPIC! <br />
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=D --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:#Shush! No-one knows about it yet.<br />
:#I'm not running it, I'm just coding it.<br />
:#Nope, came from one of my image elves.<br />
:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 03:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Sorreh! OMG IMAGE ELVES. I CAN HAZ SOME?! --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Noez, they iz an endangerered speesheez, and I needz them. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 03:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Plox? I iz a good take carer! --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==RE: Arbitration==<br />
Since I am apparently acceptable to both of you, <br />
the case, [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St. Iscariot versus Boxy|St. Iscariot vs. Boxy]], has been opened. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Noticed, opening statement construction has begun. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 06:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You're "on the stand"... a (hopefully) brief cross-examination by the arbitrator. There may or may not be further questions -- for you, and/or boxy. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Please make a concluding statement in the Arby versus Boxy. Thank you. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== /me pokes you with a stick ==<br />
Go look in your No More Heros talky page. --[[User:SexyRexyGrossman|Sexy Rexy Grossman]] 19:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Oh dear sweet Lord ==<br />
He's back in full force. Seems rather desperate to get away from his past, too... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's OK, we know he weighs the same as a duck, and therefore floats on water, therefore he's made of wood and will burn like a true witch. Also, he turned me into a newt... I got better. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::And apparently [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Pestolence&curid=98201&diff=1338926&oldid=1338907 he shops for IP addresses at yard sales.] I'm too tired to respond to this idiocy right now, but he's also banned me from his talk page. Sound familiar? --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Apology ==<br />
(Sorry for any grammar mistakes, but I'm writting on a keyboard that lacks half it's keys)<br />
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It may have come to your attention that I have recently killed your character, Damon Young.<br />
I wish to apologize for that, since I didn't do it willingly. Rather, I was ordered to do so by SoldierUDW. Until this point, I had no idea of your previous "argument" with Soldier. Please do not think that I have been deceived into thinking that you have been acting aggressively towards Soldier. I have seen the messages he wrote, and I find them incredibly offending and uncalled for. So, I besides from apologizing for the error I made, I'd like to give you an unofficial apology on behalf of SZES (or, better said, ZEMA)<br />
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'''PS:''' I am no longer part of ZEMA, but I thought you deserved an apolgy anyway. <br />
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--[[User:Shirax|Shirax]] 17:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I am glad you have seen sense and left this group and moved out from the influence of this idiot. I hope this will not sour you from working with other survivors, the best thing a survivor player can do is to join with other intelligent survivors to help the cause. I personally recommend the [[Mad Craskers]] or the [[Dribbling Beavers]] as excellent groups who will welcome you and help you tremendously in the game. Be sure to research the rules of the Rogues Gallery and get your bounty (when it's processed) removed at the earliest opportunity. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== A reminder ==<br />
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Oh your the f*%#*@# retard Iscarret! Your the one who probably hates "Americans", people keeps telling you they are going to report you to the administrations because of thie insults you gave them. You're the moron, you're the dumb ass, you are even more insane than SillyLillyPilly. This is why nobody woulden't even trust you on this shit because you use your job to attack other users. No duh. <br />
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How about you like it if you tasted your own medicine, like the bullshit you gave to other users? <br />
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-- {{User:Soldier/Sig}} 23:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:You'd think that if you'd watched the Youtube video that's linked on my userpage you'd know that I despise dumb colonials like yourself. I'm insane, am I? Quite possibly, but I can take anti-psychotics, there are no anti-stupid pills, which means you're screwed. By all means, carry on your impotent little rants and ingame activities, they amuse myself and the rest of the audience to the your car crash wiki existence. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::UP YOURS M*#$*@#$%^&!!! :P --{{User:Soldier/Sig}} 18:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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This is lol. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 16:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Back Off ==<br />
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Do not F*&@% with me Iscariot, I' am warning you. I' am not retarted like what everyone saids and the harrassing has got to stop, so you shut your f*&%@#% mouth shut about whatever I' am doing. Its not your bussiness, so back off or I will stockpile shit on your talk page like you did to me (if you ever did).<br />
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-- [[User:Soldier|Soldier UDW]] 19:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:HAHAHAHAHA I'd be careful, Iscariot, or he might report you for "harrasment" like he's going to do to me. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::#Learn to follow page rules. New sections go at the '''top''' of my talk pages.<br />
::#I removed your right to comment in my user spaces a while back. The only reason that your post was not instantly deleted was because Pestolence replied to it.<br />
::#You are retarded.<br />
::#Feel free to bring whatever cases and 'shit' you like against me. I've griefed people off this wiki and out of the game before, you and your zerg army won't be difficult to deal with.<br />
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::Hugs, kisses and fluffy puppies,<br />
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::-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, sorry about that. Go ahead and delete it if you want, Iscariot. But before you do, I think I should let you know that not only are you a psychopath, you're also a [[User_talk:Janus_Abernathy#Soldier_UDW|hypnotist]] who forced Janus Abernathy to leave his "group." You evil, evil man. :D --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 20:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::None of that was in response to you dude, the numbers automatically indent, so it may look that way. Yeah, I've seen the latest episode of my new favourite show, apparently all my evil plans are being unravelled. I'll have to hide away in my secret volcano base, twiddle my moustache and stroke my token evil villain cat and think of a new nefarious plot. Have you noticed that Janus is more conversant in his second language than moron boy is in what's supposed to be the language of his country? I wonder if he's seen the link on my userpage.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::And by the way, he's at 21 health in the Piggott Building. Just FYI. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 20:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So I've just seen, he killed my Knight this morning. I'm already back. I have other things in mind for him though. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Hey there. I just wanted to say a few things (yeah, I'm talking a lot today..): <br />
:-I'm sorry for all this drama I contributed to make. <br />
:-Iscariot didn't force me and the AZS to leave the ZEMA; he actually gave me lots of good advices. <br />
:-I'm feeling very sorry for [[User:Cortez250|Cortez]] right now.<br />
:-I happen to be.. a female. Maybe I should have said that before. Sorry about this too :( <br />
--{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 21:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You didn't cause this drama, and we're glad you saw sense and got out of that organisation. Plus the drama is really amusing, we have to make our own fun round here. <br />
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::Also I know you don't mean your apology, you're only making it because I'm forcing you to telepathically, my psychic powers are irresistible. The link in my sig should be to the Psi Corps, not the Gore Corps ;)<br />
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::I also feel sorry for Cortez, but with the wonders of the contributions list, we should be able to save others from his idiotic influence.<br />
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::You can't be female, we all know there are no girls on the internet ;P I'm actually a great admirer of Italian women, mainly due to [http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g298/Saint_Jimmys_Extrodinary_Rebel_Girl/My%20things/famous%20people/Cristina%20Scabbia/Day%20by%20Day%20pictures/CristinaScabbiawithwineglass.jpg this hottie]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Well, it looks like Soldier is in a wiki-coma due to us psychos "sueing his ass." Hopefully he'll stay gone for good. (although I was starting to have fun with him).<br />
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And by the way, not all of us Americans are dumb. We just have more than our fair share of idiots over here, along with highly visible morons like Soldier who perpetuate the stereotype. :) It's guys like him who make me want to join the Philosophe Knights. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh well, shame he wouldn't learn. Have you watched the youtube video that Iscariot has on his page, Pestolence? At the end it says pretty much the same thing as you. :P - [[User:Whitehouse]] 04:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Oh, I saw that Cortez is safe (luckily). He probably got scared about all the mess on the talk pages.. <br />
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Soldier's in wiki coma, thanks to Iscariot's psychic powers; I wonder what's going to become of the ZEMA, now that his leader and Omega have resigned. Oh well.<br />
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Cristina Scabbia is quite beautiful ;) --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 20:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Yeah, Recruitment page==<br />
Hey there. I'm not here to bitch :) I understand why you removed the [[Anti-zombie squad|AZS]] ad from the recruitment page.. but I don't get why you removed the [[Zombie Emergency Management Agency|ZEMA]] and kept the [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad|SZES]] one. AZS and SZES are both "subgroups" so shouldn't we keep the ZEMA ad?<br />
(I apologies for my bad english. I happen to be italian and a bad student) --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:The enforcement of the large groups rule on the Recruitment page is based on established precedent (i.e. the way we've done things before). When a group that is deemed a large group has multiple ads on the page priority goes to the ad with the oldest valid timestamp, i.e. the valid ad that was there first. For instance, if the [[RRF]] puts up ads for the Gore Corps, the main RRF and AU10 (in that order), providing the timestamp on all three was valid I'd remove the main RRF and the AU10 ones, even though the remaining ad (the GC) is a sub group of the main group because that advert was first. The precedent is based on ad cycling efficiency and the notion that large groups are entitled to solely advertise their sub groups should they wish. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I see about the timestamps. I don't understand your last sentence though (yes, I'm dense); does it mean we can put back the ZEMA ad and write the AZS an SZES links in it? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::If you put the ZEMA ad back in it will be removed as it currently breaks the [[Recruitment#Format_for_Advert_Content|Format Guidelines]]. If the ad is brought back into line with these guidelines, there is no prohibition to mentioning or linking other groups, sub groups or strike teams within a group ad. Simply put you can have ''"ZEMA is an alliance consisting of the [[Anti-zombie squad|AZS]] and [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad|SZES]]."'' in your ad, but the ZEMA ad must still conform to the other page guidelines. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh, I didn't know it was breaking the Format Guidelines. Thanks, I'll fix it. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::If you want my advice, you'll take your group and get as far away from [[User:Soldier|this idiot]] as you can. Retarded stuff like placing Hagnat on his group's KOS list after [[User:Soldier/Talk_Archive#knowledge_is_half_the_battle|he tried to help him out]] or putting sysops on the same list for doing their job is so retarded that he might need medical treatment. [[Zombie_Emergency_Management_Agency/Policies#Z.E.M.A._Page_Insubordinate_Editing_Policy|This policy]] of his caused myself and several other players that have seen it great hilarity. For the record I could probably go edit every single one of ZEMA's pages and there's nothing he could do to me. It's this kind of posturing, stupidity and disregard for that is going to get your group attacked and your personal reputation in this game tarnished by association.<br />
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:::::It's not often that Sonny and I agree, but his conduct is very reminiscent of another wiki contributer. That situation ended with the [[Invasion_of_Gibsonton]]. Basically a group annoyed Sonny, he took [[DORIS]] and it took him less than a week to wipe this group out, the only reason that conflict lasted longer was because better more experienced groups got involved. The Imperium was many times the size of your collective alliance and they lasted a week. A sub conflict of this event was the Philosophe Knights against the Necroinquisition. Soldier boy has it listed on your pages that you are at war with the Philosophe Knights, be glad the Order hasn't noticed you. It took us three days to wipe out the Necroinquisition, and we don't mean kill so they had to wait for a revive, we mean kill continuously so those players left the game.<br />
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:::::If you don't want a similar situation to occur with your groups you really need to get away from him, or stop him speaking and acting for your alliance. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Zombie_Emergency_Management_Agency&diff=prev&oldid=1333849 Edits like this] where he demonstrates that he can't differentiate between a person's characters and their routine maintenence as a wiki citizen are going to get you a lot of grief. He seems to fail to realise that just because someone's character kills other characters does not mean they act exclusively for that character when they are perform tasks on the wiki. That and his actions at adding a pacifist, then level 5, pro survivor to your KOS because he was 'involved in player killing', even though that character has done [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|more for the survivor cause than your entire alliance]] is simply pathetic. He's a coward, a moron and an idiot. If you want to play this game and gain any sort of respect you need to do something about him. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::I've.. already tried to tell him about this. I'll talk to my group and try to make him see that he's not doing very good. Thanks for the advices. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 16:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC) <br />
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Sorry, I forgot to ask. The ZEMA ad's problem is only the amount of words, right? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 15:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That was the problem that got it removed. I don't know if it breaks any others as well because I don't have a link to it. If it does break any others it will be removed again. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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To avoid Soldier putting you (or your survivor character..) on the Psychopaths list again, can I ask you what was wrong with the ad? There were 180 words more or less; did it have another problem? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 22:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:He took me off? I doubt it. I put the text into my word program, it told me two hundred words before I put the text under the image in, over two hundred and it goes. The word limit includes all words in the ad, including links, picture commentaries and everything else except your header and signature. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Damn picture commentaries. 199 words now, putting the ad back. I didn't see your name on the list; Drawde and Hagnat are still there though, with no profile links.. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 22:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::196 by my count, but no timestamp, put one on or it'll go on the next purge. He's got my characters Cliff Spab, Cloister the Stupid and Damon Young on there. There's no point in removing any of them if you're going to leave things like a declaration of war against the Order or other Knights on there, also leaving Saromu up there is just as bad. My advice, wipe all the KOS lists he's done, including the SZES one and institute a clear rules system for addition and removal from the list i.e. proof using screenshot of any PK, displayed next to the entry. Looking at the rules of the [[Rogues Gallery]] might help you here. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:03, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Sorry, I put the timestamp. Yeah, we usually post a screenshot along with the pker/gker's name&ID in the AZS page. I'd remove the ZEMA and SZES KOS lists but then I'm worried I'd be reported as a psychopath, so I'll tell Soldier first.. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 23:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Just wanted to say that the [[Anti-zombie squad|AZS]] are not part of the [[Zombie Emergency Management Agency|ZEMA]] anymore, so I'm putting back our ad in the Recruitment Page. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 12:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Neh?==<br />
[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=User:J._Iscariot&action=edit Coincidence?]--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 04:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Coincidence. I've been offline due to net problems for what seems like an age. Although I find ED funny, most of the pages cause near terminal slowdown to my old laptop, so I don't often frequent the place. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:06, 8 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==You're useless==<br />
Hey man I've waited and waited I've asked nicely for all sorts of help from you. I can't even get you to reply to my questions any more. Well here's what's gonna happen over on the recruitment page. I'm gonna write up the policy I like then I'm gonna get it voted through with every person I can possibly get to vote. You might want to help me write it because if you don't your buddies over at the Pk knights might end having to advertise in only 1 section of the wiki like everyone else. So once again. PLEASE HELP ME COME UP WITH A POLCIY FOR THE RECRUITMENT PAGE THAT DOESN"T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE DEM or don't and we'll just leave you out of it entirely--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 00:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Recruitment isn't subject to [[A/PD]], it's change by discussion.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 00:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I have no idea what you're talking about. Reason #32 why the the ud wiki sucks? Obscure rules and pages that nobody understands except the people who are or have been in charge.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::For the second time this week I've managed to get on a computer with net access for five minutes. Did you not think to look at my contributions Kristi? I haven't been on because my internets are broken. I hardly have time to go through this now, when I get back we can continue our discussions. Karek is entirely wrong, if a policy passes by community vote then its subject becomes covered by it, and if anyone then acts contrary to it then their edits are vandalism, a sysop not realising this should be misconduct - but good luck getting that through the circle jerk club.<br />
::::I don't give two shits for your contributions you've been unhelpful, ignorant and generally combative through this entire process. You're useless and I'm tired of dealing with useless wiki people who have an axe to grind against my group. How about we log on a bunch of DEM members and see how bad we can screw with the philosophe knights...just cause we can? You're ignorance of the system is evidenced by Karek as I feel he has way more insight in the system than you have. Get a better connection or leave the page for someone that wants to actually do something.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Karek, you are well aware of the rules of this page, the only reason your contribution was not removed is because Kristi responded to it. I take your response, given its complete arrogance and incorrectness, to be a poor attempt at trolling. The same type of trollling you warned Nubis and Conndraka against over on Arbitration. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Actually it was about clarification. The recruitment page is like [[Talk:Suggestions]] in it's creation and maintenance. It means that if a consensus can be reached the rules of the page get changed, that's all there is to it and making a policy page for it is needless excess at the very least. Basically you all need to reach an agreement as to how the page is to be maintained, not pass the buck off because you don't get along.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Is it true Karek that I could just say fuck iscariot and have a bunch of DEM members come and change things how we want?--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
bahahahahahaha kristi don't ever change --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Die in a fire.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::love ya too sweetheart --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 03:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
All this love makes me feel funny.--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 03:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Where can I send you a image as proof ==<br />
Can I send you a E-mail or something? --[[User:Matt Aries|Matt Aries]] 05:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:You can PM over at Barhah.com under this user name. However if you are trying to contest page ownership, then doing it straight to me is pointless, you'll have to go through the Arbitration process on the relevant wiki page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Do i get a vouch now??==<br />
Since i picked it :P I'd miss posting on your talk page though...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Hey.==<br />
Any chance of buckling to pressure and re-voting on the talking to oneself suggestion? It looks like its going to fail to reach peer reviewed by one vote. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Unfortunately not. I had a valid justification on there, and then received an escalation when even Gnome admits he didn't strike my vote in the manner specified to make it a sysop strikeout. Coupled with the votes that have yet to be struck on [[Suggestion:20081030_Zombies_Stuck_in_Lights|this suggestion]], including such gems as ''"MAH SEX IS AHN FIAH!"'' by one of the sysop team clearly demonstrates sysop bias. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I just did. You're welcome.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 12:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks. Congrats on the culture tour. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, I have to say, that is kind of a big undertaking. Good job mate.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 22:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Thank you both for your kind words. The tour was long and stressful, but ultimately lots of fun, as well as demonstrating that you can go round all of Malton contributing to the survivor cause with just a level 5 character. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Salt the Land]]==<br />
Just noticed this [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Salt_The_Land_Policy&diff=1304177&oldid=1304173 edit of yours]. No biggie for me but what history exactly? Are you claiming old RRF alts don't retire to squat the Blackmore anymore? I know from talking to Murray that RRF doesn't support [[Salt the Land]] as such except in Ridleybank of course so I'm just curious as to your reasoning.--[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 04:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Simple history. That sentence implied that it had ''always'' been the focus of the RRF's hold on Ridleybank. The focus was Moggridge PD back when Petro founded the Front. The Gray Guard retire there, not Blackmore. The only reason that Blackmore sees so much action in the 'bank is due to survivors constantly focussing on it, see tomorrow's stupidity. Because of the harmans' focus on this, the Praetorian Guard are forced to spend time there, not due to any orriding policy or tactical bias. <br />
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:Only Moggridge holds special significance, Blackmore is just another building. It's just the most popular location for idiots to organise themselves into buffets though. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Dear god==<br />
That ranting Gryphon video was hilarious. I thank yuo deeply for letting me stumble upon its truthful awesomeness,--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 01:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:You are most welcome, be sure to also watch:<br />
:[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q71cMRGXx9o Global Warming] <br />
:and<br />
:[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dMbKqtjv2vM&feature=related Do your job!]<br />
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:There's other stuff there, but those three are the best. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Your sig==<br />
Can you please deblink it? Feel free to keep the text but it really is irritating. Thanks. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 21:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Compliance. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Tak.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==If I may ask==<br />
Why do you insist on splitting hairs to the degree that you do? This is a serious question. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Enforceable precedent is the only thing that can guarantee consistent and fair treatment to users in this community. Given that the community has rejected the notion of making sysops into moderators time and again, ''someone'' has to remind everyone when these statutes are ignored.<br />
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:The constant interpretation of simple black and white rules and the inability of sysops to vote misconduct on textbook cases is a form of moderation. It is the changing or selective application of these policies without oversight or censure that is an insidious form of moderation. If a policy is wrong it should still be continued to be enforced until it is changed through the established channels. The resistance to this very simple process by the admin team whilst they continue their ways forces normal users to loudly point this out. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You misunderstand me. I agree with the premise that rules should be adhered to, but the degree to which you take it strikes me as... excessive. I mean, take [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_10#User:Iscariot|this example]]. Does it not seem to you that claiming the difference between using {{tl|s}} and <code><nowiki><s></nowiki></code> tags as being sufficient to make one legal and the other not is at all a little ridiculous? They both accomplish the same purpose, only in slightly differing visual ways. I don't think you're going to achieve a great deal apart from the loss of your own credibility in the eyes of most (I know you don't care about what most people think, but if you're serious about your goals then you're going to need other people on your side) and - if you insist on challenging rules in such silly little ways - perhaps even your bannage. <br />I would even go so far as to put it to you that you even lose out to the wording of the rules - there is a clause somewhere (which I can't be bothered finding, but you should know of it given the length of time you've been around) in the guidelines that allows sysops to go against the exact lettering of a rule if it means keeping to its spirit. I don't think any of the things you have accused any sysop of doing in recent times have been in contravention of any rule's spirit. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Normally the aren't different, but because the template specifically states the method that should be used it overrides that. If a sysop can't strike a vote correctly when the template telling them to do so is on the same page, how can the community trust them to be in charge of banning and deletions. Take my example about deletions, both function to remove the content, but because there is clear procedure about what a deletion means that takes precedence.<br />
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:::Credibility on this wiki is not something I'm concerned about frankly given the conduct of those on the administration team. The policy you quote can be found [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Guidelines_Rehashed#General_Conduct|here]]. The specific section is ''"Moderators, as trusted users of the wiki, are given the right to make judgment calls and use their best discretion on a case-by-case basis. Should the exact wording of the policies run contrary to a moderator's best good-faith judgment and/or the spirit of the policies, the exact wording may be ignored."'' There are two immediate problems with this sentence. Firstly the word 'moderators' is still in there. [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysops_are_not_Moderators|Policy]], that users took time to debate and vote on, from February 2007 clearly states that ''"Each official document ranging from the System Operator Guidelines to the Suggestions page would have any mention of Moderator replaced with System Operator, and Mod replaced with Sysop."'' Why has this not been done? Twenty months later and this simple maintenance, the raison d'etre of the sysop team has not been done. The second problem is the use of the words 'trusted users', sysops are no longer perceived to be trusted by the community in general, the meta community that is, how many more users do you think we'd have if that was changed?<br />
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:::As for changing the rules, again I don't think it'll allowed to happen by the admin team. Either they'll slander the user to Kevan [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Vote_Striking|until he uses his veto]] or they'll just remove the policy and [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_05#User:Jorm|take (or have someone else) take the author to A/VB]]. It won't happen and will kill this wiki as a community. It'll become an out of date former resource because the admin team wanted to act like Brainstock mods. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::That's the document that was voted on. [[A/G#General_Conduct|Here's]] the official policy document, which is "moderator" free. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 11:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's still an 'official document' is it not? Then according to the voted policy that should have also been changed. I did have a link to a different example which demonstrated the selectiveness in application of such changes by the admin team, but I appear to have lost it. I'll see if I can find it when I get off this work computer. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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So basically, that whole arbies case is being made because you're "rules lawyering" and because of a rule that technically isn't official in the way that people like it nowadays?--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 13:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Dunno, all I know is that Iscariot is normally pretty reasonable but acts very strange around the wiki. It confuses me to no end.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Arbies case==<br />
I've ruled on the case, head over and check it out.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hey, i've reduced the Southall groups down to one line, please make the entries fit into one line (for the sake of this we'll go on my monitor (17 inch, 180x1024). I'd do it but i'm not sure how to cut down the zookeepers entry or your one (the two that go over the one line measurement) so yeah. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Ahh scrap that, the templates on the right now. It's fine how it is. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning==<br />
This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am entitled to post here to inform you of it. Please do not unstrike your own struck votes from suggestions which have been struck as trolling votes by a sysop. Attempting to avoid this by claiming that it was blanked rather than struck does not distract from the fact that it was clearly a trolling vote that was removed by a sysop. Please do not repeat this behaviour as you may face a ban from the wiki. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yet another case of established guidelines not being followed by sysops. The process of a sysop strike is clearly different from a normal user blanking a vote, although Gnome may be a sysop he did not strike it in the correct manner meaning it cannot count as a sysop strike. It would be like a sysop removing all content from a page after receiving a deletion request and instead just removing all content from the page in question. Although functionally similar, they are demonstratively different in that any user could remove all content from a page (or blank a vote) but only a sysop can delete the page in question (or strike a vote).<br />
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:Enforcing the written and provable guidelines seems to be some sort of anathema to our current team of sysops. As shown above they instead decide to invent and twist these very simple to understand rules to persecute users that they are displeased with.<br />
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:I would debate this with you, but you have no right to reply here. That must really suck. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Arbies#St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese Arbies]==<br />
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I would ask that you make a decision as to whether or not the case is going forward, or drop the case entirely. It has gone a long time with no reply, and I wish to know it's status from the starter.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 21:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==[[A/D]]==<br />
Regarding your vote on several user redirect pages i have separated the case into individual cases, if you feel so inclined please recast your vote on each page relevant to how you feel about that particular redirect being kept on the wiki. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Monkey editing. ==<br />
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Wow. I got asked to join ages ago and i said i probably would. But then i found out how ridiculous the group was and just ignored it. Nice to see they've included me in my absence. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:53, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yep. I'm going to be nice and offer some wiki help, maybe point him at a firefox spellchecker. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:45, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== "Save Monroeville" Spam Vote ==<br />
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The premise for your spam vote on [[Suggestion:20081017 Save Monroeville]] is wrong; quoting the suggester, "''...every two months Monroeville restarts. Basically '''everyone's characters reset to lvl 1''' and all their skills and items removed. ''" No one will have their skills / experience carried over. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 21:42, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh wait, I just found the suggestions page of this suggestion; I thought it was deleted. I'll post this there. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 22:00, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Feel free to delete this. I'm not sure whether or not I'm allowed to delete it myself. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 02:19, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[A/A]]==<br />
Post your case, and please hurry it along a little, this shit be dragging out. Post as if you will have no more chances to convince me of your case.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:46, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[The_Perriam_Museum_(Judgewood)|the Perriam museum]]==<br />
Shamble down for a revive and [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/10-11-08_0000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_10-15__113-173-e29.html complete] [[Judgewood]]? <br><br />
:{{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:01, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Mrh? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::Revivificated. Oh, and can I be in the picture? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:18, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::If you stick around, I was at 8AP when I arrived, so it'll be tomorrow sometime if I'm online. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:34, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::I'm stuck. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 04:41, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::::Yay. Do you frequent NexusWar or any other IRC servers? Also, If you didn't see it, [[User:Dr_Cory_Bjornson/Sandbox/0|your progress]] summarised :d.. Good luck, {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 06:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::::I'm often on #rrf-ud on the Nexus War server to co-ordinate with my death cultist around 22:00 and 23:30 BST. You're following my progress? STALKER!! ;-) -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:48, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::::::I'll try and catch you there. Indeed. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 17:57, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm there. Are you? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:08, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::::::::Hm, Going to lecture at [[Malton College of Medicine]] after [[Quartly Library]]? I'll attempt to attend the completion ceremony. I suppose if a colleague were attend, that would be akin to multi abuse.. In which case two days to [[Roftwood]], Sounds like a film.. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 04:39, 25 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Where the hell did slavery allegations come from?==<br />
Anyway, about the suggestion. Yep it is a nerf to ruin, but i feel its also of benefit to ruin. Care to explain where ive gone wrong? (Please use the word asshat in your response.)--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:10, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''As Shat'''ner never said "Ransack is a two faceted skill". The ruin side (the byproduct of ransack, the destroyed building itself) has recently been buffed by the update, and most suggestions recently, including your own seek to modify this in some way. The other facet is the act of getting to this point, the conflict of clearing the building and damaging it. Your suggestion buffs the first facet whilst nerfing the second. It'll mean that zombies will now have to breach the cades, see off the actives, kill the harmans ''and'' then spend even more AP to gain the damage. Hordes like [[MOB]] or [[The Second Big Bash]] are obviously not going to even notice the difference, however the small feral groups of players who happen to be online at the same time and have a good run with the RNG against the cades are really going to notice this and suffer.<br />
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:It'll increase the possibility of zerging meatshielding (albeit in a tiny proportion) and re-increase mall centric play, which is something I'm against.<br />
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:The gamespace/realspace comparison I was making is obvious, compare a large 5 star hotel's interior space with that of a back street boozer, in game they both require the same amount of AP even though there is a huge difference in their areas. The notion that malls would require more AP to ransack did not appeal to me for this reason. I understand you needed to demonstrate a 'downside' in order for the suggestion to stand a hope of passing, but I thought you picked the wrong one.<br />
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:Don't get me wrong, it's not a ''bad'' or ''broken'' suggestion, it's just one I disagree with, resulting in one of my rare Kill votes rather than a Spam or Dupe. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:36, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks for an informed and reasoned response. Unlike Shatner's singing career.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:46, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==You is creating hostile work environment badz!==<br />
{{leia}}<br />
Why do I encourage you.... Tell me why? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:25, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Because you know I'm made of 100% pure unrefined awesome :D -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:51, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Must be midichlorians. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:37, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== policy note ==<br />
lets talk about this before it turns into an edit war. honestly I don't think it needs the note at all, seeing as how it has a handy link at the bottom leading to Category:Policy, and on said page it clearly states "This page is about in-game policies. For official wiki policies, see Category:Policy Documents". having the same info twice just seems redundant.--{{User:Blood Panther/Sig}} 00:35, 29 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I've done more thought on the matter, and I've realised I just don't care....so i put the message back. feel free to ignore/delete these comments.--{{User:Blood Panther/Sig}} 02:53, 29 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Recruitment ideas. ==<br />
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OK, ill go and have a word with the person who created [[The Great Suburb Group Massacre]]. Any idea how i find out who created that page? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:12, 28 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I forgot. It was me. What im asking myself about again? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:13, 28 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Come on Rosslessness, you know the rules of this page, put it in the right place next time.<br />
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::It was questioning whether or not there was a way of connecting the recruitment page and the group listings for each suburb page. Users could then update a timestamp and (optionally) post a recruitment add, keeping both the recruitment page and groups listings up to date. If it's possible it'll cut down on maintenance. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:36, 29 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot_and_The_Order_of_Philosophe_Knights_versus_Sarah_Aline_and_The_Upper_Left_Corner#Iscariot|Post here]]==<br />
When you're ready.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:36, 27 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[UZM]] revisions==<br />
Hi Iscariot, could you leave the page at my revision? If you go down to the zed list of groups you'll find it in there at the top. It actually makes more sense as it's directly connected with the group names, and it doesn't mess with the page design ... ie it looks better. Besides, wan's edit messes with the mod notice of grims which should remain as is. Cheers mate. --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 07:29, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Community page. "Looks" do not come into this. You have no 'ownership' claim to the page and must submit to the will of the wiki community. The edit in its status as Wan's edit is the prevailing community consensus. This is the overriding principle of the wiki.<br />
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:I thought you said you wanted a war? Anyway, your right to reply on any page in my name space is hereby revoked. You are not to edit any page or talk page that is preceded by 'User:Iscariot'. I do not want cheating, [[Extinction|zerging]] scum bags polluting my pages.<br />
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:Kind regards,<br />
:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 07:51, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::No worries, you guys are a riot. I'm fine with the disclaimer but will insist on leaving the mod notice as is and place the former where it belongs, right above the groups. As for scumbags well you sound like a third grader but that's what I've come to expect of the idiots that troll this wiki. You could of course just get a life instead. Cheers --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 14:49, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Bug Report==<br />
Just letting you know that I've responded to [[Bug Reports#Adding contacts/logged out/certain people|your bug report]], and that it is most likely a feature, not a bug. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:58, 17 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Cheers Revenant, I saw it the same day you responded. This was indeed the problem and following your advice, it has been fixed. Cheers. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:19, 19 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Recruitment page==<br />
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[[Category_talk:Recruitment#Please_revisit_the_.22large_group.22_rule|Care to comment?]] - [[User:Whitehouse]] 13:40, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[User:Soldier|Soldier]] and the [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad]]==<br />
===The Background===<br />
It is important to remember when reading this the difference between a player and their individual characters.<br />
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I, Iscariot, Patron Saint of Dupes, also maintain the Recruitment page. During routine maintenance I noticed an ad that broke the guidelines. Instead of removing it, as was my right, I decided to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASoldier&diff=1263121&oldid=1262320 inform the owner that they should correct their ad]. This user then decided to respond on my talk page with demands. I do not tolerate demands and responded appropriately.<br />
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===The Continuation===<br />
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=prev&oldid=1264220 Soldier then decided to respond ] to his disagreement with myself, the player, by listing one of my characters on his group's enemy and Kill On Sight list. He did not pick my death cultist that actively hurts the survivor cause, he chose to select my Philosophe Knight. For reference my Philosophe Knight is a pacifist, does not harm survivors and is actively moving through the entirety of Malton repairing museums and libraries. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=1268583&oldid=1268582 Over time he has added a threat rating] to the list in question and has listed my character as a 'Moderate' threat. That is on par with characters that have actually killed other survivors and higher than known and respected PKer group [[SillyLillyPilly]].<br />
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===An Act of Kindness===<br />
Instead of resolving the matter ingame with the murder of his entire group by my death cultist, I was forced to respond from the position of my Knight to avoid breaking the spirit of the anti-zerging rule. Accordingly I tried to be diplomatic and posted terms of surrender for Soldier to accept. Not only did he not agree to these terms, but the response he did give breached many of the terms.<br />
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===Resolution===<br />
Based on the subject's continued actions and attitudes, I am forced to allow my Philosophe Knight to judge him, and his group, based on the [[Philosophe_Knights/Policies|Articles of Ignorance]]<br />
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The subject is found guilty of the following crimes:<br />
:Class A<br />
::Slander<br />
:Class B<br />
::Ignorance<br />
The punishment for such crimes is clear. Repeated education by a Philosophe Knight educator or by an allied group.<br />
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The group is found guilty of:<br />
::[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Eric_bessette&diff=prev&oldid=1264397 Mass Hindrance]<br />
::Mass Slander<br />
The punishment for these crimes is also clear, addition to the Enemies of Enlightenment list and education on sight for all members<br />
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===The Knowledge===<br />
The following are known profiles of the criminals:<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1214138 Soldier]<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1324685 Zombie Hunter Recon]<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1345960 Reporter John]<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=prev&oldid=1267778 This edit also implies that SZES uses zerging tactics]<br />
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Their most likely location is [[The Murtaugh Motel]] in [[Penny Heights]]. They are known to restock in [[Giddings Mall]].<br />
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Other locations where they claim as territory are:<br />
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[[Lavor Alley School]] in [[Pitneybank]]<br />
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[[Haydon Auto Repair]] in [[Spicer Hills]]<br />
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[[The Piggott Building]] in [[Spicer Hills]]<br />
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They are known to frequent [[Wasteland 23,97]] in [[Spicer Hills]] as a revive point.<br />
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===In Summation===<br />
Soldier decided to select a non-combatant character to pick on due to a disagreement with that player's owner. He chose this character even though it is well known he is a pacifist and survivor orientated. By doing this Soldier reveals himself and his group as cowardly.<br />
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Soldier refused generous peaceful overtones and responded with hostile acts and words.<br />
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Soldier and his group have been judged enemies of enlightenment and will be added to the Philosophe Knight Kill On Sight list. Their names and profiles will be forwarded to all allied groups and organisations that the Philosophe Knights are associated with.<br />
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'''Soldier's right to reply is hereby revoked. He is no longer welcome to post on any page in Iscariot's namespace. Precedent in Vandal Banning shows that an individual posting on another's namespace after specifically being informed that they are unwelcome constitutes an act of vandalism. Any breach will be reported.'''<br />
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-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} for [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young|Damon Young, Knight of the Philosophe Order]] 20:49, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:"l0l 0wnt"? Loved the links. Also:<br />
:[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1348250 SZES Officer 01]<br />
:[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1348396 SZES Officer 02]<br />
:[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1351306 SZES Officer 03]<br />
: Sorry if you don't want comments posted under this header, {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 02:10, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::You have followed the page guidelines and provided great assistance, I approve of your post!<br />
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::It also helps prove the question of potential zerging I feel.<br />
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::-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:29, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::: I wanted to die after reading [[User:Soldier|his page]] x.o..<br />
::: "Avertizement"? Wot? Logs 15, 20, and 21? lawl. It's interesting and maddening, His Incoherency..<br />
:::: {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:42, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Cycling Suggestions==<br />
When cycling suggestions, do not remove anything from the top, nor the SugVoteBox template from the voting section. Navigation is just as useful after closing than before it, and the SugVoteBox template keeps the page in Category:Suggestion Pages. Just add the template to the top and remove the things from the bottom. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 10:53, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I have no idea who did it right or wrong first or last, I just made sure it's done right THIS time. Add the template, and delete everything below the last vote. Every time. Period. And no one will complain. Or shouldn't. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:28, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::I remove everything below the last spam when I cycle suggestions, but I don't bother removing the horizontal line if someone left it there. The most important thing here is not to delete {{tl|SugVoteBox}}. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 13:28, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::That shouldn't be getting deleted because it's not at the top or the bottom of the page: the only places that need to be touched when cycling... Now, I honestly thought you knew how to do this, Iscariot. Probably just an oversight, I'll stop harassing you on your Talk page now! ;) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:44, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Apology ==<br />
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Okay, I forgive. And just for your sake I will not report about you. But under one rule: If you made a threat to my group or any of my allies' groups, I will had to declare war on your group! And to prove that I'm serious about this, you have 48 Hours to accept my appolgy. Failure would be, I don't know won't be tolerated. So to make a long story short I'm sorry and promise to stop making threats.<br />
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-- [[User:Soldier|Soldier]] 23:51, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Recruitment problem Fixed ==<br />
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Okay, I've fixed it by removing it. I admit that the flag looks like it has been made by a 8 year old. But I have to warn you, if you insult me at anything else even I don't care I had to report about it. You're lucky I don't know how but insulting will not be tolerated the second time.<br />
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-- [[User:Soldier|Soldier]] 19:29, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Firstly, fuck off! Don't bring demands to my page retard.<br />
:Secondly, go right to Vandal Banning, there's a link above. They'll also tell you to fuck right off, there is no civility policy on this wiki. Grow up.<br />
:Thirdly, read the fucking rules crotch spawn, it's not like I put them at the top so window lickers like you would be able to find them.<br />
:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:37, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Behold everyone, the stupidity of this moron!<br />
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::He dislikes my response so goes to his group page and lists [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=prev&oldid=1264220 one of my characters as a 'Psycopath'] (evidently English wasn't his best subject in school, nor was using a spell checker).<br />
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::Did he list [[User:Iscariot/Cliff_Spab|my dastardly death cultist]], a member of the renowned [[Gore Corps]]? No, this idiot decides to list my [[Philosophe Knights|Philosophe Knight]], yes, that would be the same character known to groups all over Malton as someone known for [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|rebuilding Malton and preserving knowledge]]. It's not like it says on his page that he's a pacifist or anything. Picking on a peaceful librarian, how brave of the mighty [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad]].<br />
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::It would be wrong of me to use my death cultist to shoot him for his blatant stupidity, that would be [[zerging]]. Accordingly I'll have to respond from the view of my Philosophe Knight. He doesn't shoot people, so, what shall I do?<br />
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::This idiot has 48 hours from the time of this post to write a grovelling and sincere apology and post it on this page. This apology is to be perfect in its spelling and grammar. He is also to remove my listing from his group's page permanently. The place of my listing is to be taken by an apology directed at every reader of his page apologising for his poor spelling and grammar and continued acts of stupidity on this wiki. This apology is to remain in place for three months.<br />
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::Failure to comply with this benevolent compromise will result in the following action<nowiki>:</nowiki><br />
:::'''1.''' He and his group shall be added to the Philosophe Knights' enemy list. Every Knight coming across himself or his group will execute on site. Unlike the [[Rogues_Gallery_%28Brainstock%29|Rogue's Gallery]], there is no way off this list.<br />
:::'''2.''' The names and profiles of his group shall be passed to all [[Player Killer]] groups allied with the Philosophe Knights. These groups include the [[Spartans]], [[Lebende Tote]] and the [[Flowers of Disease]] amongst others. I trust the consequences are obvious.<br />
:::'''3.''' As before, names and profiles will be passed to the [[PKA]] so that all member groups can add to their target lists. As various groups are in the middle of two large events, the [[Malton Uprising]] and the [[Red_Rum/PK_Olympics|Player Killer Olympics]], this means that idiot boy and his group won't have many hiding places at all.<br />
:::'''4.''' All survivor groups allied with the Philosophe Knights will be asked to restrict aid and contact to this group. Such venerable organisations that would be approached include the [[Quartly Study Group]], [[The Fortress]] and the [[MCM|Malton College of Medicine]].<br />
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::I'd advise against 'fighting back'. The last group that tried fighting a [[Imperium Must Die|PK coalition]] suffered [[Invasion of Gibsonton|crushing defeat and humiliation]].<br />
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::-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:04, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::Who is this fool? Why does he commit the crime of slander so freely?--{{User:DT/Signature}} 21:39, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|The Culture Tour 2008]]==<br />
Hello, is there anyway assist in anyway on your humble [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|quest]]?<br />
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Since I see the suburbs left are, According a [[Suburbs|map]], derelict, You might care for an extra hand?<br />
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As a sidenote, I've been considering attempting to join the [[Philosophe Knights]].<br />
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{{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 02:59, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:All vetting of potential applicants for the Order takes place on our forum. You can login with 'The Visitor' account and apply for membership for one of your characters.<br />
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:Given that you may consider entry into the group at some point in the near future, being conscious of the spirit of the zerging rules, I must respectfully decline your offer of aid. Even accidentally I, nor the Order, do not not run the risk of multiple alt abuse ever.<br />
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:However, do feel free to follow the progress of the tour and attend the completion celebration at [[Quartly Library]] at the conclusion of my odyssey.<br />
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:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:32, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Would you accept a revive? Also, [[Dakerstown]] is survivor held, Atleast in some capacity. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 00:43, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::I accept random revives all the time, feel free. My next target is Eastonwood, I have intelligence that some of our allied survivor groups have been repairing in that area. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:48, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::Alright, That isn't a large deviation of my course to [[Dakerstown]], After I finish dispatching this [[Zombie|breach]] at [[Southall Mansion]].. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::With your last two postings, 11/9/08 and 12/9/08, Would you accept assistance at this point? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:31, 14 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::I will accept any assistance anyone can give me based on publicly available information. I would however still urge you to join the Order, or perhaps one of our affiliated or allied groups. Malton College of Medicine perhaps? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:21, 19 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Internal Header==<br />
Whats an internal header?<br />
:OK, for starters, sign your posts, put <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your post to do this.<br />
:Secondly internal headers are the sections surrounded by equals signs. They create a link from the contents box at the top. If you use more than the current section it is in you create an internal section of the preceding one. Such headers are banned from recruitment ads as they screw up the page by doing this. This is why I removed your ad, am about to do it again and will continue to do so for as long they remain in there. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:40, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==My 'brainstorming' page==<br />
Since almost every person who ever voted on one of my suggestions ever has been complaining that I've come up with nothing but crap, I created [[User:Blake_Firedancer/Developing_Suggestions|this brainstorming page]] for me to develop ideas before I put them on Talk:Suggestions. I've got a couple of ideas up there already, and some feedback would be appreciated. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 11:46, 22 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Why dont you tell me what I did wrong?==<br />
When I added the M-BEK pages you deleted it. Im no expert on it and im sure alot of people are so maybe you can help me cause you seem to know what youre doing.--{{User:Doctor Oberman/sig}} 17:40, 17 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:All ads on the recruitment page must conform to the standards set out clearly at the beginning of the page. One of these criteria is that no ad should have any internal headers of any kind. Any ad that does not conform to the guidelines can be deleted immediately. Yours was. <br />
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:If you'll notice, I did put the reasoning in the edit summary. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:51, 17 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Problem with the recrutment Page==<br />
Hi - when I went on to update the timestamp on my recrutment advert I noticed that it was centre allingned. Upon closer inspection I found that everything from the '''C''' section onwards was centre aligned (which I know isnt suppose to be). It appears that "Cheap Ass Survivors : Pro-Survivor" groups recrutment adverticment is whats causeing it. I would sort it myself but I dont want to change anything incase I make a mistake or incase you need permission to edit peoples recrutments (I dont want to get into any trouble) - this is the reason I came to you. I know that you moniter and keep the recrutment page upto date so could you please have a look at it and see if it can be fixed. Many thanks in advance --[[User:Feon Kensai|Feon Kensai]] 10:19, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:No-one needs permission to alter any advert that is breaking any of the guidelines or is breaking the page. I've had a look at the page and ad in question and can't see anything wrong. It might just be the way my screen's set up so I'll get Whitehouse to have a look. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:34, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::No error in your browser, we were just looking at the wrong ad. If you look at the "C" header it was also centre aligned, as such it must have been the last ad in "B" section causing the "C" header and subsequent articles to centre. Appears that Browncoats recruitment ad hadn't closed their tags, causing articles below them to be included as part of their table and as such centred. Fixed now. [[User:Whitehouse]] 18:26, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Cheers dude, I suck at wiki formatting so I thought you'd be able to pick up on it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:31, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==deleted my ad==<br />
i was wondering y you deleted my ad and i request that you dont do it again or i will report you.<br />
--[[User:Fanglord2|Fanglord2]] 15:48, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:He would have deleted your ad because it was out of date. When the timestamp is two weeks old, the ad is removed. He's done nothing wrong. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:49, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::y would he do that i never knew were were supposed to restamp it?--[[User:Fanglord2|Fanglord2]] 15:51, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::'''After two weeks as measured from the timestamp the entire advert may be removed for inactivity / non-compliance. It is the group’s responsibility to update the timestamp to avoid having the advertisement deleted.'' <--- It says that at the top of the page in the guidelines. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:53, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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oh ok sorry my Apologys i reupdated it.--[[User:Fanglord2|Fanglord2]] 15:57, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Don't look a gift horse in the template==<br />
{{iscariot}}<br />
It's a shame that George Carlin had to <s>die</s> have a terminal episode for me to come up with this template Play on Names. I just didn't want to make one with a bible picture for you. Too obvious. This is much better. Enjoy. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:45, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Please go to http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Deletions and vote Keep so that the Grimch doesn't try to delete the template I made for you (and others). Thank you. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 13:06, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Your services are required==<br />
OK. There's a couple of my suggestions on the Talk:Suggestions page that are getting some good feedback, but before I progress with them any further, I want you to check to see if they're duplicates. Honestly, I'm useless at finding dupes as I can never really figure out where exactly to look for 'em.<br />
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You, on the other hand, seem to be pulling dupes left, right, centre and any other direction one can think of. So, I would like you to search for dupes for my suggestions, to see if they should go up to Suggestions.<br />
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[[Talk:Suggestions#Generator_Efficiency|Find the dupe #1!]]<br />
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[[Talk:Suggestions#Mega-Syringes|Find the dupe #2!]]<br />
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Thank you in advance --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 13:32, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'm rushed off my feet with the real world at the moment, so you'll forgive me for not finding the exact links.<br />
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::::Number one (Going on the current 2.0 version on the linked page). This isn't ''a'' suggestion, this is several. That's going to get it killed as a suggestion from the start. Anyone who dislikes any aspect of the many things you are trying to implement is going to kill the whole thing on that basis.<br />
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::::The tuning of generators to run longer (with and without a prerequisite skill) has been done before. It was generally shot down due to the massive factor of the AP balance already in favour of survivors. This will get shot down for the same reason and by trenchies who don't want PKers lighting up their Fortresses of Eternal Darkness for longer to shoot them.<br />
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::::Number two (Going on the current suggested version). The notion of using that survivor's DNA is complex, as well as an open opportunity for zergers to have syringe mules specifically for themselves. Having it cure infection is what's going to get this spammed to death though due to the bigger implications. It means infection is no longer a problem, survivors no longer have to expend APs and revives holding malls and hospitals, this will cause an almost game breaking swing in AP balance from the current pro survivor to ''massively'' pro survivor. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:07, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Rumor is Iscariot gained his dupe-finding abilities because while on a field trip, he was bitten by a radioactive dupe, and now he has the superpower of being able to find them with a special 'Dupe Sense' --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 16:50, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Actually I use a special superpower call "Common Sense" when it comes to dupes. It works very well.<br />
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::I was once bitten by a radioactive redhead....that was fun :) -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:07, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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==RE: The Recruitment Page ==<br />
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I think I cleared up the mess. I used the last revision by you as a basis, then added all the correct changes to that. The only ad I forgot to put back in was the DK one which I'll do now (without destroying the page). - [[User:Whitehouse]] 13:34, 23 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Torches==<br />
Seriously - I want to know.<br><br />
If they call flashlights torches (first successfully commercially produced by Everready in 1899), what do our Brit friends across the puddle call a torch (the fiery kind)?<br><br />
Tell me Tell me Tell me! I need to know now. This question tortures my mind now. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 14:29, 29 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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Flame torches are called torches, flashlights are called Electric torches. Answer your question?--[[User:JustAnotherWebSurfer|PX]] 22:11, 8 September (BST)<br />
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==Talk:Suggestions==<br />
You know I wrote the guidlines for that page right? The intent was for suggestions to be removed once discussion had ceased, the 5 days thing is just to be sure it really is dead, when the author themselves say they have no intention of continuing the discussion the suggestion can and should be removed.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:33, 27 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Great(!) More rules written one way and then acted on by sysops in a completely different manner. That's just what this wiki needs. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:43, 27 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Your Keep on Triangulation==<br />
'''''Keep''''' - ''This is a dupe, but I like innocent bystanders being murdered, so if someone wants to dupe it they can go find the link themselves. -- Iscariot BB2 PK WTE 18:34, 25 May 2008 (BST)'' - This cracked me up for 2 reasons. (1) it's the second time I've ever seen you vote keep on anything (first time voting keep on something which will actually pass), and (2) the keep reasoning is hilarious :) --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:48, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:I'm actually waiting someone to whine and take me to A/VB for it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:53, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Not so sure they will - like I said I think this was more about trying to 'get me' than about the structure by which I rsepond to incredibly long winded posts on my user page. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 19:14, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I meant for the keep vote. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:23, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::That would be hilarious too. People are way anal about the wiki --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 19:55, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==That Crucifix thing==<br />
Wow... you've never voted keep on a single idea of mine and even I've never had that sort of animosity towards you. There some underlying history between the two of you, like there is with me and some members of the Malton Globetrotters? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:31, 24 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:I tend not to have animosity towards people in general. While I may think certain ideas are bad, it has no bearing on my view of the people making them. However, the hypocrisy of religious dogma gets to me, as do cheating scumbags. That moron is proven to have created alts on the wiki to try and force suggestions through. Accordingly I hope he fucks off and dies. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:36, 24 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::How did they prove he created them? Just curious, because no one's been able to find out who created the stupid sock puppets that ruined my nailgun suggestion. Which I'm still annoyed about. I'm probably going to be holding off on bringing nailgun v2.0 to a vote until the zombie population rises a bit. Can't really make weapon suggestions when the survivor population is doing better - it's self-defeating. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:47, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::[[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_04#User:Gabdewulf|Proof here]]. There are all sorts of screens and buttons that sysops get to check these things. Send your suggestion up, remember PR actually means nothing, Ankle Grab came from rejected. I'd also like to point out the current stats and the lack of whining from 'my side' as opposed to the amount of whining from 'your side' when the situation was reversed. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:53, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Not that I'm implying that The Dead are 'your side' but they did quite a bit of kvetching. And there was that whole 'On Strike' thing that I've heard a lot about (though it was long before my time). I do agree that survivors acting like trenchies are far more likely to whine than zombies acting like griefers are likely to whine (again - I'm not calling you a griefer, I'm talking about the extremes on both sides). In any case, it's a moot point. I've been playing zombies lately more than survivors, despite my wiki stance, and I think I know which of my alts I am going to turn PKer. Just need to wait until work eases up a bit so I can have time to post on the forums to get advice. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 14:33, 29 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Giddings Mall Page==<br />
Please stop edit warring and take the issue to Arbitration. I'm leaving the page protected until the case begins so get a move on. This has gone on way too long. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:38, 17 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Get off your high horse. Just looking into the History, I can see at least 3 occasions of you being involved in the edit warring. I've put the above comment on because you were one of the 3 involved in it, and protected the page to stop the other two going at it when they come back on. Stop moaning. I'm not picking on you. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:53, 17 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Sorry Sir==<br />
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Hi Iscariot, sorry about my "impersonation" of you, which, while related to temporary feelings of anger at being called a retard, also had a lot to do with a misunderstanding of site policy and a sudden joyous power trip realization of the kinda crap you can get away with over the internet (that suggestion was my first wiki edit evar!) Anyway, I won't do it again even if you severely piss me off, and I hope there's no hard feelings. See you round the wiki ---[[user:Pac8s|Pac8s]]<br />
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BTW, I really like your alternate server idea, although it seems really complex to put into action of course. Do you have resources to do it, or are you talking to anybody about it? Obviously people object to sweeping changes of the existing Malton map, but I agree with you that Urban Dead is really far from feeling in-genre, and I think alternate cities are an excellent solution to that problem. --[[User:Pac8s|Pac8s]] 02:27, 18 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I do not have any resources to do it, computing is witchcraft to me. The development on version 2.0 stopped after it went on the suggestions page for comment. It really needs version 3.0 doing due to the Monroeville lessons, just I can't be bothered. I have another idea for an alternate server, but....can't be arsed. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:18, 20 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Moderation ==<br />
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cuntdrama was perma banned as a vandal, that's why his comment was removed. Do not revert. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 00:13, 15 May 2008<br />
:#Read the rules of the fucking page, it's not like I put them at the top or anything....<br />
:#Who banned him? And who made the report? And who ruled on that? You better hope I don't find the answer I suspect I'm going to find or you can go ahead and write your next misconduct case yourself. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:18, 15 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Are you tripping on shrooms kiddo ? First of all, yeah it was me the one who banned him. His user name was a offensive towards a established user from this community, that alone is reason to ban him. Would you like us to take lightly on a Shitcariot user who were only harrasing every edit you make ? He also posted a goatse picture in the wiki, you think that's good faith ? He even dedicated it to conn. Now... put your gun where your mouth is, or STFU... i dont need an ass threatening me every time i do my job in here. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 00:27, 15 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Actually, I think he'd just laugh if somebody named themselves shitcariot. It'd be funny if you asked me. I wish I had a vandal named after me...--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:36, 15 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Pooicidal angel? Shagnat? Smelita? Twitscariot? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 14:37, 29 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==OOooOO!==<br />
Is Santlerville the only burb in Malty with no librarys or museums? Or are you boycotting for some other reason? And why doesn't the tour include schools?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:01, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unless you can show me otherwise, or I've missed something (possible given the speed with which I made that list) then I believe that [[Santlerville]] is the only [[suburb]] that doesn't play host to a [[library]] or [[museum]]. No wonder the population spend most of their time drunk....<br />
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:I've been meaning to go ask the Beavers for suggestions for an alternative location to visit in order to include Santlerville in the tour.<br />
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:I deliberately kept schools out due to the nature of the school system and teachers to sour peoples' attitudes to education and self betterment. I still need to get confirmation on the layouts of the mansions, studies and libraries there will also be included, but the wiki seems to be lacking. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:08, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yeah i can't think of one of the top of my head. Us Santlervillians are more the [[Dowdney Mall|shopping]] and drinking type, although we are also quite [[St. Emelia's Church (Santlerville)|religious]] and don't like to travel, with only one railway station in the suburb. [[The Sweatman Motel]] is a great place to go if you're looking to expand your mind. If you didn't think one person being twenty people was possible, just check the pavement outside The Sweatman, it's mind blowing.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:04, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Recruitment Removal==<br />
Hi - I know that yesterday you removed the Deck of 52 recrutment post. I need you to tell me what the date on the time stamp said please because I think I may have made a mistake with timing/schedual for when Im to update the timestamp - can you please get back to me on this and help me out - THANKS in advnace --[[User:Feon Kensai|Feon Kensai]] 16:28, 2 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Thank you for your time a quick responce - I guess I got my timing wrong LOL (will up date it weekly now) - I promiss this wont happen again and sorry. I have to commend you for your quick action of keeping the recrutment page up to date though ;) - nicly done. Thanks again for your time - you helped a lot (I have a bad memmory). Cya around. <br />
P.S: Sorry I put this subject at the bottom of the talk page :( - I will pay more attention next time --[[User:Feon Kensai|Feon Kensai]] 13:46, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==They're asking questions==<br />
Over [[User Talk:Hagnat|here]], just thought you should know *nods and walks off* --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:50, 26 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes indeed. It struck me as curious that despite being inactive for two months, you were able to check the PK forum nearly every day. That's why I sent you the private message earlier. (Also because my job as the PK's on-duty librarian is in part to maintain the active member lists and other information in the library reference collection, and I was trying to figure out how to place you.) -- {{User:VI/signature}} 00:43, 30 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Ha ha ha! That's hilarious. And to think I've been totally confused all this time. I've seen the sort of window-thing you're talking about before, so I know what you mean. Anyway, sorry about bothering you. Spies are no threat at all to the Knights, but I keep my eyes open regardless, partially because it's fun to find them, and partially because having a the PK riddled with spies would sort of destroy our reputation as mysterious and esoteric. -- {{User:VI/signature}} 00:50, 30 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::I look forward to it. It seems you have your work quite out out too, what with the state of things these days. Praise Knowledge, as they say. -- {{User:VI/signature}}00:57, 30 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Our Talk==<br />
Iscariot, I think we should continue our talk in your page instead of in Gab's since it no longer has anything to do with anything he was saying :)<br />
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What did you mean by me being a bad luck charm since one of my characters tends to be in the Buttonville area? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 00:21, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Feel free to move the whole thing over here so it doesn't clutter his page.<br />
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:You? Bad luck? [http://www.barhah.com/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=9846&sid=490b22c469d9ad8730cf43e3a4860f40&start=15#p152753 Have you read the Zombie forecast?] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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You said: "''Somebody'' has to speak up for zombies on that page otherwise we'd have survivors in mechs. My 'PKer' doesn't kill anyone, and is actually on a tour to visit and repair buildings... yeah, he helps zombies ....:P<br />
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I think you're confusing pure DCing with other things, however you are definitely misunderstanding what I mean by fun! ;) -- Iscariot"<br />
Oh I have no problem with you sticking up for zombies. I actually like when you point out dupes for me so that I don't make a fool of myself in Suggestions. And the comment you made about letting zombies use sledgehammers I think got me a few keep votes when I made sure to make it clear that zombies -can- use sledgehammers. <br />
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:Dupes are easy to point out, just waste some time on the old suggestions. I still don't like that sledgehammer suggestion, but with support like that it's a bit pointless bothering. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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I realize that right now I am basically a pro-survivor suggester (although my not enough shotgun suggestion was definitely not pro-survivor), but that's only because I started playing the game right when The Dead started playing so I have a certain view of things. I do try to make my suggestions balanced though... you never see me suggesting mechs or machine guns or flamethrowers, now do you. <br />
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:There's nothing wrong with being prosurvivor, there's something wrong with being trenchie, you don't want to do that. Go hang out with the classy survivors at Beerhah. You'll notice that the majority also have zombie alts.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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And if you're a PKer who kills for some actual purpose, rather than wanting to make people who take the game tooooo seriously cry, then I commend you :) <br />
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:Don't kill people full stop. Complete pacifist, wearing the garb and group tag of one of the oldest and well known PK groups in the city. That's fun. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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Actually, my favorite PKer group is Red Rum - I actually have considered making a PKer character and seeing if I could join them. They're one of the few PK groups I've seen who actually look fun. <br />
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:Convert one of your current survivors, it's hell if you start PKing from level 1. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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I just don't find that playing my zombie would be fun if I was being total zombie/Death Cultist, at least while the Dead are on the march. I'd feel like I'm taking advantage of a bunch of cheaters being currently in the game. Even though that wouldn't make me a cheater, i'd feel like one by association. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 00:21, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Some people, even career zombies, don't like DCing. TBH I only use it as a label for shorthand, I've been working on a philosophy of something very different for a potential new group. Playing a zombie doesn't mean you have to associate with The Dead. I recommend RRF or MOB, I know people in both (as well as a few other hordes) and they'll look after you and make you smile in ways you didn't think possible in this game (see Zoey and I singing and dancing in the middle of a safehouse being destroyed). Once you have a zombie alt, you'll realise where the fun is in this game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==RE:Recruitment==<br />
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Hey, I'm no longer looking after that page. Had to give it up to deal with real life stuff. It'd be great if you'd be willing to keep it tidy. - [[User:Whitehouse|W]] 23:40, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:14 days and out is correct. I used to edit out ads that had minor flaws (using <nowiki><!-- / --></nowiki>), and I'd delete ads which breached the major rules. Either way works, you should leave a dated comment under the removed ads header explaining what was wrong. If they don't do anything within two weeks of your comment, just remove the header. Good luck. - [[User:Whitehouse|W]] 23:53, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Can I pick your mind?==<br />
Hey, I was reading on the posts and you seem to know every dupe ever posted so could I question you on those grounds?[[User:Gabdewulf|Gabdewulf]] 04:39, 21 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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A Zombie respawn, basically when a zombie is killed, they stand up somewhere other than where they were killed, has been already been suggested, right?. Do you remember where or when?<br />
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Also, walls or other means of limiting travel and zombie's human memories of building names, what kind of suggestions have been brought about these? [[User:Gabdewulf|Gabdewulf]] 16:44, 21 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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My focus is strictly on Malton. I didn't get into Monroeville because it seemed purely temporary. <br />
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While, yes, low levels zombies have to spend a sizeable chunk of the current game day standing up, how many days of game play are lost by pro-suriviors when thier killed? A pro-surivior has to stand up, travel to a rp, and wait and hope that someone is reviving. Also with the current state of the city, a great many of the RP are abandoned. As far as time goes, pro-surivior suffer higher penalties for getting back in the action after death even when compared to a zombie being head shotted every single day. Because at the very least, a zombie gets to play thier character every single day.<br />
:You don't have to just go be a mrh? cow at a RP, you could scout, move about, decade overcaded buildings.<br />
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Also, its been my experience that very few low level zombies worry about the 2ap traveling by zking, unless maybe thier a meat shield, to get the early skills.<br />
:2AP to move hurts, a lot. Also ZKing cuts your XP gain in half, and remaining stationery broadcasts your position to trenchies who then headshot you for more AP loss.<br />
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Creedy fell cus the zombies focused on the fort, while the defenders focused on the nieghborgood. And, even with the entire neighborhood's buildings being pretty heavily secured, the zombies just strolled past and started the seige on the fort. And this is the agruement for walls/movement and/or removal of bulding names. The repeated pattern seems the mass of zombies skiping into green neighborhoods, destroying the resource buildings with meat shield tactics, and letting lower levels finish the suriviors. <br />
:Erm, no. Creedy fell because forts are death traps. The Bash used the same tactics against a mall and were stuck for two weeks. I should know, I was there. Zombies are ''supposed'' to go into green suburbs and eat everyone, that's the point of a zombie apocalypse. You are evidently confusing meat shielding tactics with something else, meat shielding is a survivor tactic. Allowing low levels to gain the kill bonus is entirely legal, survivors could do the same if they got organised.<br />
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But even with the current numbers of s/z, the survivours are being crowded into a smaller area. The majority of the city is at the red level and kept there by alts so the survivours can't escape. The overcrowding causes survivours search rate to increasingly reduce, which will cause the city to shrink further. What happends when the zombies finish destroying the city? How many players will/have left by then?<br />
:What search rates are you on about? Search rates are at the highest they've ever been since I started playing the game. I remember when it took a week to stock up on ammo. I do that now in a day.<br />
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And the agruement about zombie player being a minority is that zombie player, when revive, are PKing. When surivours die, they either zombie or are waiting to revive. [[User:Gabdewulf|gabdewulf]] 22:56, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your point? Also, not all zombies PK, the major hordes actually have rules against it. There should be a downside to dying as a survivor, otherwise everyone would have instant revives and we'd be playing Urban PK. And how are you having trouble finding a revive? I have The Big Bash in my group heading and have no problems. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:11, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Hey Iscariot? ==<br />
Hope you realize that I don't actually hold anything against you personally, despite that we might have... spirited... arguments and debates on talk:discussion, k?<br />
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Oh and 28 days later is a hard science fiction zombie movie, and zombies are dead, not undead. :) --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 20:36, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:If you think those are spirited arguments then you live a very sheltered life <nowiki>:P</nowiki><br />
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:Zombies are undead, dead things don't move around, zombies do. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:45, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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(gasp) Iscariot.... Are you... are you no longer the ultimate dupe finding machine? Gatehouse View? I rely on your counsel in all matters dupe-finding! :) Or did you not feel that was a dupe because of the lack of suicide ability? Did you fail me because I haven't gotten you the Doomsday girl yet - I'm trying, I swear. She isn't returning any of the calls. Thanks :) --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 15:09, 22 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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:You doubt me? The Patron Saint of Dupes? I shall smite thee with terrible vengeance and furious spamming, and ye shall know that I am Iscariot!<br />
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:I've had a busy week at work and most of my spare time has been spent watching Jericho. It's also a dupe of something in PR, I don't go there by and large, it's full of either sensible ideas, or ones more retarded than the ones in Rejected. Yes, keep working on my pretty thing, you aren't trying hard enough. :P You may substitute Cristina Scabbia if that's easier for you. <br />
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:On the subject of films, the new Indiana Jones is ''god awful'', avoid at all costs. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:29, 24 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Group Deletion ==<br />
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Hey. We no longer delete defunt group pages. As long as no one claims that name for themselves, these group pages can stay there forever. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 20:02, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Re: Keep Votes==<br />
There is a small box next to the votes that says:<br/><br />
''Votes must be numbered, justified, signed, and timestamped. Votes that do not conform to the above may be struck by any user.''<br/><br />
No matter if it's a keep, kill or spam, "THIS GIVES ME A GIRLBONER" doesn't really count as a justification and (as I also put in my reasoning) inane. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 19:54, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Mall Tunes==<br />
Hey Iscariot, I realize that this has been an issue in the past, but is there any way that we could keep the Mall Tunes section on the giddings page?[[User:William Joel|William Joel]] 21:07, 13 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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are you refering to the whole happykook thing?[[User:William Joel|William Joel]] 00:19, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Ok you win==<br />
I am not going to post anymore on the Bayonet Suggestion. Reading back over everything I think I have been too defensive. So, I came here to say I was sorry. I was incorrect that a "blood groove" assists in the removal of a bayonet from a target. Ok, I was wrong. It is there to reduce the weight of the blade. I am not looking to have problems with you, so I am dropping this issue. As I see it, we had a difference of opinions and that is it. From here on out, I have no issues with you. --{{:User:Airborne88/sig}} 01:26, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Thanks!==<br />
That little rat is sooo cute! And thanks for the message =) That video is hilarious, Rex Manning....total douchebag! Actually, kinda reminds me of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbk6kExKf2Q Gunther], ooooh you touch my tra la la --[[User:Fifth Element|Fifth Element]] 09:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Monroeville==<br />
Dear Iscariot , first i would like to thank you for fixing the PPD wiki page. I'm a newbie when it comes to editing the pages but am trying my best . Concerning the target list for WTE our scouts have been in certain areas witnessing and takeing survivor evidence of attacks . I ADMIT we have no proof of it being you guys . It has been speculation so far, as you guys are the most organized in this burb. Concerning this and pov, i will try and tone down the messages left on the burb page . But if you'd like to just tell us where you are to confirm our sightings we will gladly bring donuts ,coffee and little tents for when you are sieging buildings .Hope to keep in touch.--[[User:Flub|Flub]] 13:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC) <br />
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==Your arby against happykook==<br />
please, plenty of arbitrators hav offered to arbitrate your case. Please, list all those whom you would agree to arbitrate the case. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 23:03, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:yeah, totally missed it. Next time move the arbitration to the proper page once you have decided on an arbitrator. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 23:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The case has started. Please prepare your opening statement.--{{User:Seventythree/Sig}} 09:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Giddings==<br />
I've locked the page to stop the revert war that has sprung up and I request that you and Happykook take the matter to arbitration to sort this out. Until it is sorted, after I unlock the page, neither of you is to restore or remove the tunes until a ruling is reached on the matter. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'm going to ask that you leave Happykooks edits alone for just now. I don't want this to boil over. Please could one of you bring an arby case so we can begin getting this mess sorted out. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Please leave his edit to the Danger Report stand for now. This needs to be sorted out as I can tell that if it's not, this is going to turn into an all out flame war, which we really don't need. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I know. I'm asking this so that we can avoid name calling and accusations for the time being. Could one of you please make an Arby case so that an arbitrator can get this sorted out. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You have been served an Arbitration Case by Happykook. I personally will be willing to arbitrate (if you are willing) as I have a clear knowledge of the case and know the grievances of both sides. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:You'll need to pick another arbitrator as Karek has withdrawn an offer. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Aye I'm off the table, however I do recommend you reconsider both Hagnat and Seventythree, they are two users that I would trust to arbitrate a case I'm involved in and I have little doubt they would attempt to settle the dispute in a neutral and proper manner.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Have a template==<br />
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{{Template:Killitforward}}<br />
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Thought Id return the favour. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Damn the Man! ==<br />
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are you perhaps an Empire fan? ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:'shock me shock me shock me with that consistent behaviour'. you said it regarding survivors voting on some suggestion... :P good to find a fellow lover. There's a complete script someone on the net that i occasionally flick through just to amuse myself. We should def get an empire template going...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah i used to think that SexyRexy was named after THE sexy rexy, not some random nfl player...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Empire Records}}<br />
:::And don't thank me, thank [[User:Fifth Element|Gina]] ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==More A/VB==<br />
A few points:<br />
#Sign your posts<br />
#Present accurate diff comparisons. Skipping revisions in diffs without providing a damned good explaination as to why is extremely deceptive and is usually an attempt to get another person in trouble for impersonation when none has happened.<br />
#A/VB is not for asking about things. Go to the talk page of another sysop, or the A/VB '''talk page''' to make requests, otherwise it will be seen as a charge and dealt with appropriately. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 16:59, 6 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==A/VB==<br />
"''I'm asking for nothing short of a perma-ban.''"... seeing we didn't permban him, does that mean you refuse to accept the warning? ;) Just a little tip, don't tell the sysops what their decisions should be, or you'll end up being called a back seat mod. BTW, what's happening with the arby case? Chimera gone into hiding or summit? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 08:20 31 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:It was late over here, and in typical zed style I was eating harmans and washing it down with a brew of known provenance (Caffery's if you're interested). I just hate sore losers who go for juvenile insults when they've got nothing else. Did you see us doing the same when the Bash stalled? <br />
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:I haven't heard anything from Chimera, I shall check the precedent in such circumstance tonight and try and get this moving again. -- [[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] 15:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Arbitration==<br />
Thanks for your message. I am a new wiki user, and I am totally unfamiliar with the arbitration process. Could you possibly provide a little guidance for me? I'm not sure where to find the rules and policies. I'm also not sure how I'm supposed to go about choosing the best arbitrator, for all I have to go on right now are user profiles. Is there a way for me to access their past decisions? Thanks! --[[User:Chimera|Chimera]] 20:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Looks like Chimera has accepted you, as have I <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:08 25 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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==Sorry.==<br />
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I was looking at those proposals, really liked what I saw, but was put off by the bad use of punctuation. As such, I corrected them in order to make the page look more presentable. I was unaware that this was considered vandalism, and therefore apologise for my actions. [[User:Magnum Odus|Magnum Odus]] 00:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Thanks for the rat! ==<br />
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I appreciate it. --[[User:SexyRexyGrossman|Sexy Rexy Grossman]] 02:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== An alternative point of view. ==<br />
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Just reading your comments on siege descriptions.<br />
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Shaun of the dead. None to start with, but when david says there was only a couple before you came here, how many are there here now and di says "lots". You CAN hear moaning and some glass breaking.<br />
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Also how about in the winchester after Ed wins the jackpot on Ooh Aah Dracula, and you hear all the zombies groaning before they attack, or before they break through into the celler?<br />
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28 days later is not a zombie film. Sorry.<br />
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Resident evil. Can't hear the zombies inside the red queens control area. An underground bunker, with laser defences, where even the glass walls of the flooded lab let through only a dull thump and are strong enough to hold back the weight of an entire room of water.. Thats a secret base, under the ground. Designed specially to stop outbreaks moving between sections. So I assume soundproof.<br />
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Day of the dead. When outside you can hear them. When down a lift, across a car park and into an underground lab. No sound. That isnt the same kind of distance as the otherside of a hastily barricaded door to a mall.<br />
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I of course understand your no x ray vision argument and in all honestly its probably a bad time to suggest it 38% zombies and all that. But hey. opinions.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:OK, let's see:<br />
:SOTD - I'd be putting that down to him just having gotten in with the window still open, how many can you hear when Shaun and Liz are talking things over or when they're talking about Shaun getting them satellite?<br />
:28 Days Later - Really? I'd love to hear your explanations for this one, as, not to put too fine a point on it, I know film scholars who disagree with you.<br />
:Resident Evil - If it was designed to stop infection spreading, RQ wouldn't have killed everyone in the entire base. Also you can't hear the zombies 'sneak up' on them in the underground walkway until they attack.<br />
:Day of The Dead - Exactly, you're outside, if survivors go outside in UD they get the information this gives for free, I have no problem, but the action of going outside costs AP. Also in Dawn they are on the other side of a hastily barricaded door in a mall and can't hear a thing....<br />
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:Barring us disagreeing on our definition of hastily, a fine reposte sir. Good to see that discussion is still alive.<br />
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28 days later is not a zombie film because.<br />
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* No one says zombie<br />
* Headshots are not required, see various machete attacks, land mines.<br />
* The infected are not dead. Otherwise why would they starve "to death".<br />
* Its a blood transmitted infection, and spit and vomit. Its seems strange to me that the blood of the infected would be so fresh. Are the hearts still pumping?<br />
* The zombie soldier was knocked out, before being tied up. Ever see a zombie knocked out?<br />
* Look at the corpses in the film. The heros parents, those in the cafe, nothing like the infected who barring their eyes, have a very alive appearance.<br />
* As the taxi driver is infected, he slowly looses control of his actions. Hes not alive, then dead and then back, its a gradual process as the virus takes over his body. <br />
* The infected dont consume flesh, they are only infected with rage, the need to infect others, there is no feeding dynamic. Biting is not key.<br />
* The animal welfare people seeing the monkeys believe them to be fine.<br />
* In the sequel theres a women who has the disease, but appears normal. How can she be dead? <br />
* The Infected? Does that imply dead? Or an active carrier?<br />
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Have a present. {{Template:Zombie Nazi}}<br />
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Now, you can argue its a very zombieish film. But its really a viral outbreak film like quatermass or outbreak. I love monkeys.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh and do you have the DVD? Look at the alternative storyboard ending. where cillian murphy undergoes a complete blood transfusion with the taxi driver to bring him bank and condemn cillian to the life of an infected. That shows he isnt dead. No dead = no zombie.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: I need to mention that actually, 28 Days Later (and the sequel, 28 Weeks Later) -are- zombie films .... but only in the same way that I am Legend is a zombie film. It's a 'hard science' version of the zombie film genre, where they are not actually referred to 'as' zombies and they don't share one Romero zombie similarity - ie, they are not dead. Hard Science Fiction tends to try to do things in a way which is scientifically still plausible - having the dead actually come back to life is not plausible in a realistic setting, but having a population being in a state that mimics a zombified state for all practical purposes IS plausible, hence hard science fiction. It's worth noting that real life cases of 'zombies' in the carribean are also not dead, but rather 'bereft of any will of their own'. But other than the not being dead part, the infected in 28 days later (and I am Legend, and The Omega Man) are zombies, and all three movies are still classified as zombie movies (even the authors of the books which those movies were based on stated that it fell into the zombie genre).--[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:15, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==REing==<br />
Hey. Listen. Next time the discussion gets moved to the talk page, can you just continue it there? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I was expanding my vote, as allowed, for when Kevan would ready that since unfortunately it's heading into PR. It wasn't really discussion, just an expansion and clarification of what I'd already said. But cheers for the multiple fixes. -- [[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] 20:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Was it really?==<br />
Was the case really in progress? I thought you got everything you wanted out of it with Sgt Raiden saying that he won't make any more edits about the mall tour. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">23:53/19/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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==Ahem.==<br />
You might have answered this elsewhere but i cbf tracking it down, so why (actually) did you decline anime's nomination? I wouldn't care except that i'm considering nominating you (as you're fully aware) and your motivation for not accepting his nomination might effect my decision.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 22:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Cat 4, desire to become a sysop. Anime nominated me in bad faith for his own amusement. As we know, bad faith = vandalism, but good luck getting that through A/VB....<br />
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:As it was just for his personal amusement I had to act to remove his trolling from the wiki, because, let's face it none of the other sysops would. Isn't standing by whilst bad faith actions were taking place what they took you to misconduct for? Odd how it doesn't apply to them.<br />
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:It is purely for this reason that I removed it. I have already given Cat 4 authorisation to certain users, yourself included, for the purposes of a serious bid if that is the will of the community. If you are going to go through with it at some point in the future, just give me a heads up so I can take the page off my watchlist for the duration, I have enough to do with the Mall Tour to engage in the drama that certain users would bring to that page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Can I get some input?==<br />
I've been working on a policy that I believe is sorely needed [[User:Pestolence/001|here]], and I'd appreciate your input on it. How can it be improved, and is it even needed right now? A potential problem is what to do about current sysops: put them all up for review now (leading to a massive backlog of admin page drama), postpone the review until six months from now (simply staving off the inevitable drama till later), or something else glaringly obvious that I've overlooked? See you around. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Why?==<br />
Why do you have to be such an ass? So much of what you claim to stand against is perfectly reasonable and yet you go about it in a way designed to annoy folk. You are a wiki lawyering Fu**er but I have to applaud you for challenging those who so often seem to think they are in charge. If only you could choose your cases with less bias rather than the current sense of self righteous "WTF" i think i could actually find myself on your side... Well, at least some of the time! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 01:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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..user page! (Also, the 'Wiki Martyr' part made me smile :)). So, do you really want to become a sysop? Or you're just interested in the community/sysops' answers? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 16:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm glad someone else can see the humour in my redesign. As far a being a sysop goes, I unfortunately believe it's necessary if this wiki is ever to return to its original purpose. This is the ''only'' official resource for the game and yet a majority of the metagame community avoid it, we should have three times the amount of regular contributers than we do and this should be an important stepping stone for newbies to engage with that wider community. I place the blame for this clearly in the political bias of the current administration team. What we have is a system where no-one can be promoted without being an ally of theirs and cannot be demoted unless they are willing to tow the party line as set down by them (see J3D's demotion). The will of the community, that the sysops are supposed to represent in their position as ''trusted users'', is regarded as insignificant next to their continued hold over what they percieve as an elite or superior status. We have a group of people who cannot be demoted, and that cannot have their bias nullified by promoting others (as they proved by removing J3D as soon as they could force it through, odd how the evidence was 'sysop' only, and that if J3D had made those logs public they'd have removed him anyway citing the Privacy Policy). The community is no longer represented by the administration team and as proven by Nubis today, they no longer work according to the will of the community. This is damaging this resource and ultimately the game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::What did Nubis do? So, do you think the community doesn't trust our current sysops (and that's the reason why we have very few contributions from them)? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 21:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Might have completely forgotten about this due to running the Mall Tour, sorry Janus. The [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FDiscussion&diff=1361041&oldid=1354090 edit in question]. I point directly to ''"We need a system to deal with that or add to the policy that a deletion vote can be overturned by a majority of the sysops"''. That's right, Nubis wants a system where they can summarily dismiss the community consensus as it suits them. Contrast with the current Administration Guidelines ''"As a wiki, for these actions, each user's voice has equal weight, regardless of his or her abilities"''. Even with the entire community against the image, Nubis wants to be able to overrule that consensus. The wishes of the community no longer factor into the primary reasoning of the sysops, they are no longer trusted users, but instead ''empowered'' users, and just as with Nubis' wanted new statute, they cannot be removed regardless of the will of the community. <br />
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:::See also [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FArbitration&diff=1362209&oldid=1362208 this edit by Hagnat]. He removes a case that he's involved with for false reasoning. Now I'd put that back but he'd force it through A/VB as 'spamming the admin pages'. Hagnat said he would take no part in the arbitration, when this has happened in the past other users have been selected to represent the refusing party, also his notion that intermediary edits render the case invalid is patently untrue, see the case of Jorm and MOB versus Extinction, the page in the case had many edits but as Jorm was objecting to the basic content and the act of originally posting such material as content the case continued. The same was true in this case, but Hagnat decides to sweep the case under the carpet without any hint of objection from the rest of the sysops. The case wasn't even archived, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Hagnat&diff=prev&oldid=1362275 here he attempts to justify] his actions by summarily judging the case to be 'trolling' and saying that is not normally what happens. [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Conndraka_vs._St._Iscariot|Odd how easy it is to prove him wrong....]]<br />
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:::You can also look at the general underlying hypocrisy of the sysops. A user asked whether my sig was illegal on Nubis' talk page, rather than leaving that user in suspense, I [[User_talk:SirArgo#My_Signature|went to his page]] and cleared up the confusion. I direct you to Nubis' comment below ''"But as you can plainly see Iscariot has a boner for me and is stalking my talk page"'', yes, indeed, something appears on my watch list because I've posted there before and I'm ''stalking'' him. Contrast to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHagnat&diff=1362643&oldid=1362509 this edit] where he pulls out an old edit summary whilst I was performing routine maintenance on my talk page. Yet, I'm ''stalking'' him, and he's doing nothing wrong. These are your ''trusted users''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Thank you for your answer! But now I'm curious. How can we "fight/solve" this situation in your opinion? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 12:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==2nd Warning==<br />
[[Image:Stop hand.png|40px]] - This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am obliged to post here to inform you of it. Please do not spam admin pages with trollish and irrelevant comments. You have already been formally warned for this and if you continue to edit in this manner you will have your editing privileges revoked. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==hmmm==<br />
i just realised that the drama wave that started with your case against nubis (brought after i complained it was too quiet around here) still hasn't broken. That's not a bad effort imho...also, nice page :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for your praise about my page. I feel the drama will never die down as long as the current administration team are sysops and mods as the situation suits them. Regarding your below comments about sysop candidacy, I too am interested in their reasons for denying promotion. Therefore, if you wish, you may nominate me for promotion, however due to drama reasons I will not participate in the discussion. You make take this comment as an expression of category four, expression of desire to become a sysop and note this on the nomination if you so wish. I will not participate in the discussion due to evidential bias on the part of the sysop team, however I empower yourself, Suicidal Angel and Pestolence to act in my stead, to respond to any questions and to be afforded the same response rights as I would have. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Holy crap==<br />
Your userpage is incredible. Where'd you get the image on the top? --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:My Main Page? The Dune scape? You'll be amazed at what you find when you type Arrakis into a few image sites....;) <br />
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:Thanks for the approval though, it's been driving me insane trying to get the basic page down today, it'll be tweaked when I can take the headache again. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: It is epic win. I was wondering about the Dune reference on DY's page. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 21:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Thanks!==<br />
I love my GC page! You are awesome. <3 --[[User:Fifth Element|Fiffy]] 13:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning==<br />
[[Image:Stop hand.png|40px]] - This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am obliged to post here to inform you of it. Please do not spam admin pages with trollish and irrelevant comments. This is vandalism as has been judged several times in the past. If you continue to edit in this manner you may have your editing privileges revoked. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Mall Tour]]==<br />
Why do you keep removing the '09 Mall Tour from the list? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It is the desire of the Head Tour Guide not to link to the main wiki in this way until he is happy to take the Tour public. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::After looking over everything, the tour is good to go and ready to start assembling. My thanks to Izzy for helping keeping this private until all of the start up work was complete and ready to be unveiled (nothing worse than half finished work). --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 19:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Run for sysop==<br />
yeah.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Why? As was proved by you tenure, if the current team dislike you, the changes you make or your community support they will promptly rally round and force through a demotion regardless of community consensus. The problem isn't the system, it's the people who can't be removed by a community they no longer represent. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah i'd just like to see their reasons for not promoting you.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::They'd rehash the reason Grim gave for not promoting you the first time even with enough community support, compare that to Hagnat's most recent promotion, you both had the same support from the community, except that you were active and contributing and he conveniently disappeared for most of his promotion bid, leaving three aborted policies that were only for show as no-one in their right mind would pass them. Result? You were told to sod off and he was welcomed back. You'll notice that he was ''specifically'' told to use the admin pages in his most recent promotion, when was he doing that in his recent archiving fiasco? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Deletion==<br />
I see :) Would it be meatpuppetting if a TZH's member was reported on A/VB for [[User_talk:Leroy_Jankens|all those comments]] and found 'guilty'? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 15:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No, because normal users do not get a vote on A/VB. The core of meat puppeting something is the use of a mass group of voters to enforce a change. This cannot apply to A/VB because nobody competent gets a vote there. Also they've done nothing wrong. There is no policy or precedent on this wiki that users have to be civil to each other. The case would be dismissed and give them something more to whine about.<br />
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:If someone was to secure enough support from the metagame community and then put all their group pages up for deletion (under a reasoning of no redeemable content), if those pages were deleted and they subsequently recreated them ''then'' they could be escalated under A/VB, and the pages recreated would be speedily deleted. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Your talk page is better than checkuser anyway==<br />
what's the policy on ex-sysops around these parts? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Ex-sysops are fine. Welcome back. I'm sure there'll be some sort of changes planned for the future that will once again make this wiki an unbiased and helpful resource. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm inclined to agree there, if you're meaning the Saint's talk is much more amusing than check user.--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 00:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Ex-sysops > sysops pretty much anywhere. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 01:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Boxy's Talk Page==<br />
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Thanks for that. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 00:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No probs, although I guarantee they find something to have a go at me for because of it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::They're [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABoxy&diff=1354243&oldid=1354221 conspiring against you!] --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::This is the indication of the same type of bias they used to force J3D out of office, expect Wikigate II sometime soon. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::On second thought, I took the smiley out of my OP, this isn't funny. This is totalitarianism. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 01:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't have a problem with totalitarianism, I have a problem with hypocrisy. They're sysops, but want to moderate when they choose regardless of the policies voted in or the wishes of the community. There needs to be an entire changing of the admin team, with the new team understanding that they serve the community by following the policies the community has taken the time to consider and approve. Either that or a conversion to a moderation system as Grim was trying to do, their problem wasn't with Grim's system, but with the fact he removed them from their perceived 'elite' status. I'd actually favour a moderation system, but again we'd need a complete removal of the current crop as they are entirely unsuitable. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[A/A]] ==<br />
Done, although please reply to the archive warning note in future. Thanks. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Your Talk Page ==<br />
It is epic and it is 105 kilobytes long, according to the Warning: Internet Meltdown sign at the top. It makes me happy to see so many stupid people fall on their faces here. I just managed to crawl through the SoldierUDW funfest, and the results of it, particularily in regards to people abandoning Soldier, made me giggle like a small child. It also gave me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside, not unlike Chai Tea with a small amount of Irish Cream. I demand more. Anger more stupid people so that I may get my jollies! --{{User:DT/Signature}} 05:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I dub it the Vat of Quotations. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 03:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Can you imagine some of the gems that'd be here if I hadn't removed the sysops right to edit here? As shown above however, it looks like they are setting up to randomly ban me, no cause and with the justification of ''"You make us look stupidz!"'', yeah, ''trusted users''.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::More proof that democracy cannot be trusted, as people in large numbers are never right. Hey, people let ''me'' Moderate forums on Brainstock - that's a vote for the infinite quality of human stupidity right there. I know that if you were a Brainstock mod, I'd be conspiring against you. Not for any particular reason, but conspiring nonetheless. Possibly plotting and scheming as well. Mind you, I'm not altogether certain that most Brainstock mods and Admins aren't conspiring to have me banned...--{{User:DT/Signature}} 02:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Democracy? Where? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::The democracy we'll have to use to set up the Reich of Fuhrer Grimtler! -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I personally was largely in favor of Grim taking over. Things would have run far more smoothly and efficiently. And he'd been burdened with all the SysOp duties, which would have produced fatal amounts of stress.--{{User:DT/Signature}} 02:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::You don't think he would have killed himself after losing his power and getting hit with the banhammer? He lived a pretty sad life - he had some fucked-up condition (I forget what it was) that basically meant he couldn't leave the house. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 02:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== MT09'? ==<br />
Two things:<br />
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1. You better not fail this. Mall tours are always fun. Good luck, mate!<br />
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2. Did you draw that picture? EPIC! <br />
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=D --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:#Shush! No-one knows about it yet.<br />
:#I'm not running it, I'm just coding it.<br />
:#Nope, came from one of my image elves.<br />
:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 03:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Sorreh! OMG IMAGE ELVES. I CAN HAZ SOME?! --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Noez, they iz an endangerered speesheez, and I needz them. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 03:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Plox? I iz a good take carer! --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==RE: Arbitration==<br />
Since I am apparently acceptable to both of you, <br />
the case, [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St. Iscariot versus Boxy|St. Iscariot vs. Boxy]], has been opened. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Noticed, opening statement construction has begun. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 06:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You're "on the stand"... a (hopefully) brief cross-examination by the arbitrator. There may or may not be further questions -- for you, and/or boxy. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 19:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Please make a concluding statement in the Arby versus Boxy. Thank you. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== /me pokes you with a stick ==<br />
Go look in your No More Heros talky page. --[[User:SexyRexyGrossman|Sexy Rexy Grossman]] 19:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Oh dear sweet Lord ==<br />
He's back in full force. Seems rather desperate to get away from his past, too... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's OK, we know he weighs the same as a duck, and therefore floats on water, therefore he's made of wood and will burn like a true witch. Also, he turned me into a newt... I got better. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::And apparently [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Pestolence&curid=98201&diff=1338926&oldid=1338907 he shops for IP addresses at yard sales.] I'm too tired to respond to this idiocy right now, but he's also banned me from his talk page. Sound familiar? --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Apology ==<br />
(Sorry for any grammar mistakes, but I'm writting on a keyboard that lacks half it's keys)<br />
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It may have come to your attention that I have recently killed your character, Damon Young.<br />
I wish to apologize for that, since I didn't do it willingly. Rather, I was ordered to do so by SoldierUDW. Until this point, I had no idea of your previous "argument" with Soldier. Please do not think that I have been deceived into thinking that you have been acting aggressively towards Soldier. I have seen the messages he wrote, and I find them incredibly offending and uncalled for. So, I besides from apologizing for the error I made, I'd like to give you an unofficial apology on behalf of SZES (or, better said, ZEMA)<br />
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'''PS:''' I am no longer part of ZEMA, but I thought you deserved an apolgy anyway. <br />
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--[[User:Shirax|Shirax]] 17:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I am glad you have seen sense and left this group and moved out from the influence of this idiot. I hope this will not sour you from working with other survivors, the best thing a survivor player can do is to join with other intelligent survivors to help the cause. I personally recommend the [[Mad Craskers]] or the [[Dribbling Beavers]] as excellent groups who will welcome you and help you tremendously in the game. Be sure to research the rules of the Rogues Gallery and get your bounty (when it's processed) removed at the earliest opportunity. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== A reminder ==<br />
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Oh your the f*%#*@# retard Iscarret! Your the one who probably hates "Americans", people keeps telling you they are going to report you to the administrations because of thie insults you gave them. You're the moron, you're the dumb ass, you are even more insane than SillyLillyPilly. This is why nobody woulden't even trust you on this shit because you use your job to attack other users. No duh. <br />
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How about you like it if you tasted your own medicine, like the bullshit you gave to other users? <br />
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-- {{User:Soldier/Sig}} 23:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:You'd think that if you'd watched the Youtube video that's linked on my userpage you'd know that I despise dumb colonials like yourself. I'm insane, am I? Quite possibly, but I can take anti-psychotics, there are no anti-stupid pills, which means you're screwed. By all means, carry on your impotent little rants and ingame activities, they amuse myself and the rest of the audience to the your car crash wiki existence. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::UP YOURS M*#$*@#$%^&!!! :P --{{User:Soldier/Sig}} 18:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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This is lol. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 16:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Back Off ==<br />
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Do not F*&@% with me Iscariot, I' am warning you. I' am not retarted like what everyone saids and the harrassing has got to stop, so you shut your f*&%@#% mouth shut about whatever I' am doing. Its not your bussiness, so back off or I will stockpile shit on your talk page like you did to me (if you ever did).<br />
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-- [[User:Soldier|Soldier UDW]] 19:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:HAHAHAHAHA I'd be careful, Iscariot, or he might report you for "harrasment" like he's going to do to me. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::#Learn to follow page rules. New sections go at the '''top''' of my talk pages.<br />
::#I removed your right to comment in my user spaces a while back. The only reason that your post was not instantly deleted was because Pestolence replied to it.<br />
::#You are retarded.<br />
::#Feel free to bring whatever cases and 'shit' you like against me. I've griefed people off this wiki and out of the game before, you and your zerg army won't be difficult to deal with.<br />
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::Hugs, kisses and fluffy puppies,<br />
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::-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, sorry about that. Go ahead and delete it if you want, Iscariot. But before you do, I think I should let you know that not only are you a psychopath, you're also a [[User_talk:Janus_Abernathy#Soldier_UDW|hypnotist]] who forced Janus Abernathy to leave his "group." You evil, evil man. :D --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 20:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::None of that was in response to you dude, the numbers automatically indent, so it may look that way. Yeah, I've seen the latest episode of my new favourite show, apparently all my evil plans are being unravelled. I'll have to hide away in my secret volcano base, twiddle my moustache and stroke my token evil villain cat and think of a new nefarious plot. Have you noticed that Janus is more conversant in his second language than moron boy is in what's supposed to be the language of his country? I wonder if he's seen the link on my userpage.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::And by the way, he's at 21 health in the Piggott Building. Just FYI. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 20:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So I've just seen, he killed my Knight this morning. I'm already back. I have other things in mind for him though. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Hey there. I just wanted to say a few things (yeah, I'm talking a lot today..): <br />
:-I'm sorry for all this drama I contributed to make. <br />
:-Iscariot didn't force me and the AZS to leave the ZEMA; he actually gave me lots of good advices. <br />
:-I'm feeling very sorry for [[User:Cortez250|Cortez]] right now.<br />
:-I happen to be.. a female. Maybe I should have said that before. Sorry about this too :( <br />
--{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 21:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You didn't cause this drama, and we're glad you saw sense and got out of that organisation. Plus the drama is really amusing, we have to make our own fun round here. <br />
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::Also I know you don't mean your apology, you're only making it because I'm forcing you to telepathically, my psychic powers are irresistible. The link in my sig should be to the Psi Corps, not the Gore Corps ;)<br />
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::I also feel sorry for Cortez, but with the wonders of the contributions list, we should be able to save others from his idiotic influence.<br />
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::You can't be female, we all know there are no girls on the internet ;P I'm actually a great admirer of Italian women, mainly due to [http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g298/Saint_Jimmys_Extrodinary_Rebel_Girl/My%20things/famous%20people/Cristina%20Scabbia/Day%20by%20Day%20pictures/CristinaScabbiawithwineglass.jpg this hottie]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Well, it looks like Soldier is in a wiki-coma due to us psychos "sueing his ass." Hopefully he'll stay gone for good. (although I was starting to have fun with him).<br />
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And by the way, not all of us Americans are dumb. We just have more than our fair share of idiots over here, along with highly visible morons like Soldier who perpetuate the stereotype. :) It's guys like him who make me want to join the Philosophe Knights. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh well, shame he wouldn't learn. Have you watched the youtube video that Iscariot has on his page, Pestolence? At the end it says pretty much the same thing as you. :P - [[User:Whitehouse]] 04:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Oh, I saw that Cortez is safe (luckily). He probably got scared about all the mess on the talk pages.. <br />
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Soldier's in wiki coma, thanks to Iscariot's psychic powers; I wonder what's going to become of the ZEMA, now that his leader and Omega have resigned. Oh well.<br />
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Cristina Scabbia is quite beautiful ;) --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 20:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Yeah, Recruitment page==<br />
Hey there. I'm not here to bitch :) I understand why you removed the [[Anti-zombie squad|AZS]] ad from the recruitment page.. but I don't get why you removed the [[Zombie Emergency Management Agency|ZEMA]] and kept the [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad|SZES]] one. AZS and SZES are both "subgroups" so shouldn't we keep the ZEMA ad?<br />
(I apologies for my bad english. I happen to be italian and a bad student) --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:The enforcement of the large groups rule on the Recruitment page is based on established precedent (i.e. the way we've done things before). When a group that is deemed a large group has multiple ads on the page priority goes to the ad with the oldest valid timestamp, i.e. the valid ad that was there first. For instance, if the [[RRF]] puts up ads for the Gore Corps, the main RRF and AU10 (in that order), providing the timestamp on all three was valid I'd remove the main RRF and the AU10 ones, even though the remaining ad (the GC) is a sub group of the main group because that advert was first. The precedent is based on ad cycling efficiency and the notion that large groups are entitled to solely advertise their sub groups should they wish. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I see about the timestamps. I don't understand your last sentence though (yes, I'm dense); does it mean we can put back the ZEMA ad and write the AZS an SZES links in it? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::If you put the ZEMA ad back in it will be removed as it currently breaks the [[Recruitment#Format_for_Advert_Content|Format Guidelines]]. If the ad is brought back into line with these guidelines, there is no prohibition to mentioning or linking other groups, sub groups or strike teams within a group ad. Simply put you can have ''"ZEMA is an alliance consisting of the [[Anti-zombie squad|AZS]] and [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad|SZES]]."'' in your ad, but the ZEMA ad must still conform to the other page guidelines. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh, I didn't know it was breaking the Format Guidelines. Thanks, I'll fix it. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::If you want my advice, you'll take your group and get as far away from [[User:Soldier|this idiot]] as you can. Retarded stuff like placing Hagnat on his group's KOS list after [[User:Soldier/Talk_Archive#knowledge_is_half_the_battle|he tried to help him out]] or putting sysops on the same list for doing their job is so retarded that he might need medical treatment. [[Zombie_Emergency_Management_Agency/Policies#Z.E.M.A._Page_Insubordinate_Editing_Policy|This policy]] of his caused myself and several other players that have seen it great hilarity. For the record I could probably go edit every single one of ZEMA's pages and there's nothing he could do to me. It's this kind of posturing, stupidity and disregard for that is going to get your group attacked and your personal reputation in this game tarnished by association.<br />
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:::::It's not often that Sonny and I agree, but his conduct is very reminiscent of another wiki contributer. That situation ended with the [[Invasion_of_Gibsonton]]. Basically a group annoyed Sonny, he took [[DORIS]] and it took him less than a week to wipe this group out, the only reason that conflict lasted longer was because better more experienced groups got involved. The Imperium was many times the size of your collective alliance and they lasted a week. A sub conflict of this event was the Philosophe Knights against the Necroinquisition. Soldier boy has it listed on your pages that you are at war with the Philosophe Knights, be glad the Order hasn't noticed you. It took us three days to wipe out the Necroinquisition, and we don't mean kill so they had to wait for a revive, we mean kill continuously so those players left the game.<br />
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:::::If you don't want a similar situation to occur with your groups you really need to get away from him, or stop him speaking and acting for your alliance. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Zombie_Emergency_Management_Agency&diff=prev&oldid=1333849 Edits like this] where he demonstrates that he can't differentiate between a person's characters and their routine maintenence as a wiki citizen are going to get you a lot of grief. He seems to fail to realise that just because someone's character kills other characters does not mean they act exclusively for that character when they are perform tasks on the wiki. That and his actions at adding a pacifist, then level 5, pro survivor to your KOS because he was 'involved in player killing', even though that character has done [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|more for the survivor cause than your entire alliance]] is simply pathetic. He's a coward, a moron and an idiot. If you want to play this game and gain any sort of respect you need to do something about him. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::I've.. already tried to tell him about this. I'll talk to my group and try to make him see that he's not doing very good. Thanks for the advices. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 16:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC) <br />
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Sorry, I forgot to ask. The ZEMA ad's problem is only the amount of words, right? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 15:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That was the problem that got it removed. I don't know if it breaks any others as well because I don't have a link to it. If it does break any others it will be removed again. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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To avoid Soldier putting you (or your survivor character..) on the Psychopaths list again, can I ask you what was wrong with the ad? There were 180 words more or less; did it have another problem? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 22:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:He took me off? I doubt it. I put the text into my word program, it told me two hundred words before I put the text under the image in, over two hundred and it goes. The word limit includes all words in the ad, including links, picture commentaries and everything else except your header and signature. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Damn picture commentaries. 199 words now, putting the ad back. I didn't see your name on the list; Drawde and Hagnat are still there though, with no profile links.. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 22:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::196 by my count, but no timestamp, put one on or it'll go on the next purge. He's got my characters Cliff Spab, Cloister the Stupid and Damon Young on there. There's no point in removing any of them if you're going to leave things like a declaration of war against the Order or other Knights on there, also leaving Saromu up there is just as bad. My advice, wipe all the KOS lists he's done, including the SZES one and institute a clear rules system for addition and removal from the list i.e. proof using screenshot of any PK, displayed next to the entry. Looking at the rules of the [[Rogues Gallery]] might help you here. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:03, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Sorry, I put the timestamp. Yeah, we usually post a screenshot along with the pker/gker's name&ID in the AZS page. I'd remove the ZEMA and SZES KOS lists but then I'm worried I'd be reported as a psychopath, so I'll tell Soldier first.. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 23:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Just wanted to say that the [[Anti-zombie squad|AZS]] are not part of the [[Zombie Emergency Management Agency|ZEMA]] anymore, so I'm putting back our ad in the Recruitment Page. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 12:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Neh?==<br />
[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=User:J._Iscariot&action=edit Coincidence?]--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 04:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Coincidence. I've been offline due to net problems for what seems like an age. Although I find ED funny, most of the pages cause near terminal slowdown to my old laptop, so I don't often frequent the place. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:06, 8 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==You're useless==<br />
Hey man I've waited and waited I've asked nicely for all sorts of help from you. I can't even get you to reply to my questions any more. Well here's what's gonna happen over on the recruitment page. I'm gonna write up the policy I like then I'm gonna get it voted through with every person I can possibly get to vote. You might want to help me write it because if you don't your buddies over at the Pk knights might end having to advertise in only 1 section of the wiki like everyone else. So once again. PLEASE HELP ME COME UP WITH A POLCIY FOR THE RECRUITMENT PAGE THAT DOESN"T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE DEM or don't and we'll just leave you out of it entirely--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 00:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Recruitment isn't subject to [[A/PD]], it's change by discussion.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 00:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I have no idea what you're talking about. Reason #32 why the the ud wiki sucks? Obscure rules and pages that nobody understands except the people who are or have been in charge.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::For the second time this week I've managed to get on a computer with net access for five minutes. Did you not think to look at my contributions Kristi? I haven't been on because my internets are broken. I hardly have time to go through this now, when I get back we can continue our discussions. Karek is entirely wrong, if a policy passes by community vote then its subject becomes covered by it, and if anyone then acts contrary to it then their edits are vandalism, a sysop not realising this should be misconduct - but good luck getting that through the circle jerk club.<br />
::::I don't give two shits for your contributions you've been unhelpful, ignorant and generally combative through this entire process. You're useless and I'm tired of dealing with useless wiki people who have an axe to grind against my group. How about we log on a bunch of DEM members and see how bad we can screw with the philosophe knights...just cause we can? You're ignorance of the system is evidenced by Karek as I feel he has way more insight in the system than you have. Get a better connection or leave the page for someone that wants to actually do something.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Karek, you are well aware of the rules of this page, the only reason your contribution was not removed is because Kristi responded to it. I take your response, given its complete arrogance and incorrectness, to be a poor attempt at trolling. The same type of trollling you warned Nubis and Conndraka against over on Arbitration. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Actually it was about clarification. The recruitment page is like [[Talk:Suggestions]] in it's creation and maintenance. It means that if a consensus can be reached the rules of the page get changed, that's all there is to it and making a policy page for it is needless excess at the very least. Basically you all need to reach an agreement as to how the page is to be maintained, not pass the buck off because you don't get along.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Is it true Karek that I could just say fuck iscariot and have a bunch of DEM members come and change things how we want?--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
bahahahahahaha kristi don't ever change --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Die in a fire.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::love ya too sweetheart --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 03:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
All this love makes me feel funny.--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 03:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Where can I send you a image as proof ==<br />
Can I send you a E-mail or something? --[[User:Matt Aries|Matt Aries]] 05:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:You can PM over at Barhah.com under this user name. However if you are trying to contest page ownership, then doing it straight to me is pointless, you'll have to go through the Arbitration process on the relevant wiki page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Do i get a vouch now??==<br />
Since i picked it :P I'd miss posting on your talk page though...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Hey.==<br />
Any chance of buckling to pressure and re-voting on the talking to oneself suggestion? It looks like its going to fail to reach peer reviewed by one vote. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Unfortunately not. I had a valid justification on there, and then received an escalation when even Gnome admits he didn't strike my vote in the manner specified to make it a sysop strikeout. Coupled with the votes that have yet to be struck on [[Suggestion:20081030_Zombies_Stuck_in_Lights|this suggestion]], including such gems as ''"MAH SEX IS AHN FIAH!"'' by one of the sysop team clearly demonstrates sysop bias. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I just did. You're welcome.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 12:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks. Congrats on the culture tour. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, I have to say, that is kind of a big undertaking. Good job mate.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 22:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Thank you both for your kind words. The tour was long and stressful, but ultimately lots of fun, as well as demonstrating that you can go round all of Malton contributing to the survivor cause with just a level 5 character. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Salt the Land]]==<br />
Just noticed this [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Salt_The_Land_Policy&diff=1304177&oldid=1304173 edit of yours]. No biggie for me but what history exactly? Are you claiming old RRF alts don't retire to squat the Blackmore anymore? I know from talking to Murray that RRF doesn't support [[Salt the Land]] as such except in Ridleybank of course so I'm just curious as to your reasoning.--[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 04:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Simple history. That sentence implied that it had ''always'' been the focus of the RRF's hold on Ridleybank. The focus was Moggridge PD back when Petro founded the Front. The Gray Guard retire there, not Blackmore. The only reason that Blackmore sees so much action in the 'bank is due to survivors constantly focussing on it, see tomorrow's stupidity. Because of the harmans' focus on this, the Praetorian Guard are forced to spend time there, not due to any orriding policy or tactical bias. <br />
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:Only Moggridge holds special significance, Blackmore is just another building. It's just the most popular location for idiots to organise themselves into buffets though. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Dear god==<br />
That ranting Gryphon video was hilarious. I thank yuo deeply for letting me stumble upon its truthful awesomeness,--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 01:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:You are most welcome, be sure to also watch:<br />
:[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q71cMRGXx9o Global Warming] <br />
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:[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dMbKqtjv2vM&feature=related Do your job!]<br />
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:There's other stuff there, but those three are the best. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Your sig==<br />
Can you please deblink it? Feel free to keep the text but it really is irritating. Thanks. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 21:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Compliance. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Tak.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==If I may ask==<br />
Why do you insist on splitting hairs to the degree that you do? This is a serious question. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Enforceable precedent is the only thing that can guarantee consistent and fair treatment to users in this community. Given that the community has rejected the notion of making sysops into moderators time and again, ''someone'' has to remind everyone when these statutes are ignored.<br />
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:The constant interpretation of simple black and white rules and the inability of sysops to vote misconduct on textbook cases is a form of moderation. It is the changing or selective application of these policies without oversight or censure that is an insidious form of moderation. If a policy is wrong it should still be continued to be enforced until it is changed through the established channels. The resistance to this very simple process by the admin team whilst they continue their ways forces normal users to loudly point this out. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You misunderstand me. I agree with the premise that rules should be adhered to, but the degree to which you take it strikes me as... excessive. I mean, take [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_10#User:Iscariot|this example]]. Does it not seem to you that claiming the difference between using {{tl|s}} and <code><nowiki><s></nowiki></code> tags as being sufficient to make one legal and the other not is at all a little ridiculous? They both accomplish the same purpose, only in slightly differing visual ways. I don't think you're going to achieve a great deal apart from the loss of your own credibility in the eyes of most (I know you don't care about what most people think, but if you're serious about your goals then you're going to need other people on your side) and - if you insist on challenging rules in such silly little ways - perhaps even your bannage. <br />I would even go so far as to put it to you that you even lose out to the wording of the rules - there is a clause somewhere (which I can't be bothered finding, but you should know of it given the length of time you've been around) in the guidelines that allows sysops to go against the exact lettering of a rule if it means keeping to its spirit. I don't think any of the things you have accused any sysop of doing in recent times have been in contravention of any rule's spirit. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Normally the aren't different, but because the template specifically states the method that should be used it overrides that. If a sysop can't strike a vote correctly when the template telling them to do so is on the same page, how can the community trust them to be in charge of banning and deletions. Take my example about deletions, both function to remove the content, but because there is clear procedure about what a deletion means that takes precedence.<br />
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:::Credibility on this wiki is not something I'm concerned about frankly given the conduct of those on the administration team. The policy you quote can be found [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Guidelines_Rehashed#General_Conduct|here]]. The specific section is ''"Moderators, as trusted users of the wiki, are given the right to make judgment calls and use their best discretion on a case-by-case basis. Should the exact wording of the policies run contrary to a moderator's best good-faith judgment and/or the spirit of the policies, the exact wording may be ignored."'' There are two immediate problems with this sentence. Firstly the word 'moderators' is still in there. [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysops_are_not_Moderators|Policy]], that users took time to debate and vote on, from February 2007 clearly states that ''"Each official document ranging from the System Operator Guidelines to the Suggestions page would have any mention of Moderator replaced with System Operator, and Mod replaced with Sysop."'' Why has this not been done? Twenty months later and this simple maintenance, the raison d'etre of the sysop team has not been done. The second problem is the use of the words 'trusted users', sysops are no longer perceived to be trusted by the community in general, the meta community that is, how many more users do you think we'd have if that was changed?<br />
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:::As for changing the rules, again I don't think it'll allowed to happen by the admin team. Either they'll slander the user to Kevan [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Vote_Striking|until he uses his veto]] or they'll just remove the policy and [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_05#User:Jorm|take (or have someone else) take the author to A/VB]]. It won't happen and will kill this wiki as a community. It'll become an out of date former resource because the admin team wanted to act like Brainstock mods. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::That's the document that was voted on. [[A/G#General_Conduct|Here's]] the official policy document, which is "moderator" free. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 11:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's still an 'official document' is it not? Then according to the voted policy that should have also been changed. I did have a link to a different example which demonstrated the selectiveness in application of such changes by the admin team, but I appear to have lost it. I'll see if I can find it when I get off this work computer. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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So basically, that whole arbies case is being made because you're "rules lawyering" and because of a rule that technically isn't official in the way that people like it nowadays?--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 13:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Dunno, all I know is that Iscariot is normally pretty reasonable but acts very strange around the wiki. It confuses me to no end.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Arbies case==<br />
I've ruled on the case, head over and check it out.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hey, i've reduced the Southall groups down to one line, please make the entries fit into one line (for the sake of this we'll go on my monitor (17 inch, 180x1024). I'd do it but i'm not sure how to cut down the zookeepers entry or your one (the two that go over the one line measurement) so yeah. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Ahh scrap that, the templates on the right now. It's fine how it is. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning==<br />
This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am entitled to post here to inform you of it. Please do not unstrike your own struck votes from suggestions which have been struck as trolling votes by a sysop. Attempting to avoid this by claiming that it was blanked rather than struck does not distract from the fact that it was clearly a trolling vote that was removed by a sysop. Please do not repeat this behaviour as you may face a ban from the wiki. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yet another case of established guidelines not being followed by sysops. The process of a sysop strike is clearly different from a normal user blanking a vote, although Gnome may be a sysop he did not strike it in the correct manner meaning it cannot count as a sysop strike. It would be like a sysop removing all content from a page after receiving a deletion request and instead just removing all content from the page in question. Although functionally similar, they are demonstratively different in that any user could remove all content from a page (or blank a vote) but only a sysop can delete the page in question (or strike a vote).<br />
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:Enforcing the written and provable guidelines seems to be some sort of anathema to our current team of sysops. As shown above they instead decide to invent and twist these very simple to understand rules to persecute users that they are displeased with.<br />
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:I would debate this with you, but you have no right to reply here. That must really suck. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Arbies#St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese Arbies]==<br />
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I would ask that you make a decision as to whether or not the case is going forward, or drop the case entirely. It has gone a long time with no reply, and I wish to know it's status from the starter.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 21:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==[[A/D]]==<br />
Regarding your vote on several user redirect pages i have separated the case into individual cases, if you feel so inclined please recast your vote on each page relevant to how you feel about that particular redirect being kept on the wiki. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Monkey editing. ==<br />
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Wow. I got asked to join ages ago and i said i probably would. But then i found out how ridiculous the group was and just ignored it. Nice to see they've included me in my absence. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:53, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yep. I'm going to be nice and offer some wiki help, maybe point him at a firefox spellchecker. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:45, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== "Save Monroeville" Spam Vote ==<br />
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The premise for your spam vote on [[Suggestion:20081017 Save Monroeville]] is wrong; quoting the suggester, "''...every two months Monroeville restarts. Basically '''everyone's characters reset to lvl 1''' and all their skills and items removed. ''" No one will have their skills / experience carried over. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 21:42, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh wait, I just found the suggestions page of this suggestion; I thought it was deleted. I'll post this there. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 22:00, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Feel free to delete this. I'm not sure whether or not I'm allowed to delete it myself. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 02:19, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[A/A]]==<br />
Post your case, and please hurry it along a little, this shit be dragging out. Post as if you will have no more chances to convince me of your case.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:46, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[The_Perriam_Museum_(Judgewood)|the Perriam museum]]==<br />
Shamble down for a revive and [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/10-11-08_0000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_10-15__113-173-e29.html complete] [[Judgewood]]? <br><br />
:{{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:01, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Mrh? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::Revivificated. Oh, and can I be in the picture? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:18, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::If you stick around, I was at 8AP when I arrived, so it'll be tomorrow sometime if I'm online. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:34, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::I'm stuck. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 04:41, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::::Yay. Do you frequent NexusWar or any other IRC servers? Also, If you didn't see it, [[User:Dr_Cory_Bjornson/Sandbox/0|your progress]] summarised :d.. Good luck, {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 06:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::::I'm often on #rrf-ud on the Nexus War server to co-ordinate with my death cultist around 22:00 and 23:30 BST. You're following my progress? STALKER!! ;-) -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:48, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::::::I'll try and catch you there. Indeed. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 17:57, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm there. Are you? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:08, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::::::::Hm, Going to lecture at [[Malton College of Medicine]] after [[Quartly Library]]? I'll attempt to attend the completion ceremony. I suppose if a colleague were attend, that would be akin to multi abuse.. In which case two days to [[Roftwood]], Sounds like a film.. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 04:39, 25 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Where the hell did slavery allegations come from?==<br />
Anyway, about the suggestion. Yep it is a nerf to ruin, but i feel its also of benefit to ruin. Care to explain where ive gone wrong? (Please use the word asshat in your response.)--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:10, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''As Shat'''ner never said "Ransack is a two faceted skill". The ruin side (the byproduct of ransack, the destroyed building itself) has recently been buffed by the update, and most suggestions recently, including your own seek to modify this in some way. The other facet is the act of getting to this point, the conflict of clearing the building and damaging it. Your suggestion buffs the first facet whilst nerfing the second. It'll mean that zombies will now have to breach the cades, see off the actives, kill the harmans ''and'' then spend even more AP to gain the damage. Hordes like [[MOB]] or [[The Second Big Bash]] are obviously not going to even notice the difference, however the small feral groups of players who happen to be online at the same time and have a good run with the RNG against the cades are really going to notice this and suffer.<br />
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:It'll increase the possibility of zerging meatshielding (albeit in a tiny proportion) and re-increase mall centric play, which is something I'm against.<br />
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:The gamespace/realspace comparison I was making is obvious, compare a large 5 star hotel's interior space with that of a back street boozer, in game they both require the same amount of AP even though there is a huge difference in their areas. The notion that malls would require more AP to ransack did not appeal to me for this reason. I understand you needed to demonstrate a 'downside' in order for the suggestion to stand a hope of passing, but I thought you picked the wrong one.<br />
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:Don't get me wrong, it's not a ''bad'' or ''broken'' suggestion, it's just one I disagree with, resulting in one of my rare Kill votes rather than a Spam or Dupe. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:36, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks for an informed and reasoned response. Unlike Shatner's singing career.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:46, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==You is creating hostile work environment badz!==<br />
{{leia}}<br />
Why do I encourage you.... Tell me why? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:25, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Because you know I'm made of 100% pure unrefined awesome :D -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:51, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Must be midichlorians. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:37, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== policy note ==<br />
lets talk about this before it turns into an edit war. honestly I don't think it needs the note at all, seeing as how it has a handy link at the bottom leading to Category:Policy, and on said page it clearly states "This page is about in-game policies. For official wiki policies, see Category:Policy Documents". having the same info twice just seems redundant.--{{User:Blood Panther/Sig}} 00:35, 29 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I've done more thought on the matter, and I've realised I just don't care....so i put the message back. feel free to ignore/delete these comments.--{{User:Blood Panther/Sig}} 02:53, 29 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Recruitment ideas. ==<br />
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OK, ill go and have a word with the person who created [[The Great Suburb Group Massacre]]. Any idea how i find out who created that page? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:12, 28 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I forgot. It was me. What im asking myself about again? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:13, 28 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Come on Rosslessness, you know the rules of this page, put it in the right place next time.<br />
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::It was questioning whether or not there was a way of connecting the recruitment page and the group listings for each suburb page. Users could then update a timestamp and (optionally) post a recruitment add, keeping both the recruitment page and groups listings up to date. If it's possible it'll cut down on maintenance. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:36, 29 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot_and_The_Order_of_Philosophe_Knights_versus_Sarah_Aline_and_The_Upper_Left_Corner#Iscariot|Post here]]==<br />
When you're ready.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:36, 27 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[UZM]] revisions==<br />
Hi Iscariot, could you leave the page at my revision? If you go down to the zed list of groups you'll find it in there at the top. It actually makes more sense as it's directly connected with the group names, and it doesn't mess with the page design ... ie it looks better. Besides, wan's edit messes with the mod notice of grims which should remain as is. Cheers mate. --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 07:29, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Community page. "Looks" do not come into this. You have no 'ownership' claim to the page and must submit to the will of the wiki community. The edit in its status as Wan's edit is the prevailing community consensus. This is the overriding principle of the wiki.<br />
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:I thought you said you wanted a war? Anyway, your right to reply on any page in my name space is hereby revoked. You are not to edit any page or talk page that is preceded by 'User:Iscariot'. I do not want cheating, [[Extinction|zerging]] scum bags polluting my pages.<br />
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:Kind regards,<br />
:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 07:51, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::No worries, you guys are a riot. I'm fine with the disclaimer but will insist on leaving the mod notice as is and place the former where it belongs, right above the groups. As for scumbags well you sound like a third grader but that's what I've come to expect of the idiots that troll this wiki. You could of course just get a life instead. Cheers --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 14:49, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Bug Report==<br />
Just letting you know that I've responded to [[Bug Reports#Adding contacts/logged out/certain people|your bug report]], and that it is most likely a feature, not a bug. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:58, 17 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Cheers Revenant, I saw it the same day you responded. This was indeed the problem and following your advice, it has been fixed. Cheers. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:19, 19 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Recruitment page==<br />
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[[Category_talk:Recruitment#Please_revisit_the_.22large_group.22_rule|Care to comment?]] - [[User:Whitehouse]] 13:40, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[User:Soldier|Soldier]] and the [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad]]==<br />
===The Background===<br />
It is important to remember when reading this the difference between a player and their individual characters.<br />
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I, Iscariot, Patron Saint of Dupes, also maintain the Recruitment page. During routine maintenance I noticed an ad that broke the guidelines. Instead of removing it, as was my right, I decided to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASoldier&diff=1263121&oldid=1262320 inform the owner that they should correct their ad]. This user then decided to respond on my talk page with demands. I do not tolerate demands and responded appropriately.<br />
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===The Continuation===<br />
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=prev&oldid=1264220 Soldier then decided to respond ] to his disagreement with myself, the player, by listing one of my characters on his group's enemy and Kill On Sight list. He did not pick my death cultist that actively hurts the survivor cause, he chose to select my Philosophe Knight. For reference my Philosophe Knight is a pacifist, does not harm survivors and is actively moving through the entirety of Malton repairing museums and libraries. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=1268583&oldid=1268582 Over time he has added a threat rating] to the list in question and has listed my character as a 'Moderate' threat. That is on par with characters that have actually killed other survivors and higher than known and respected PKer group [[SillyLillyPilly]].<br />
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===An Act of Kindness===<br />
Instead of resolving the matter ingame with the murder of his entire group by my death cultist, I was forced to respond from the position of my Knight to avoid breaking the spirit of the anti-zerging rule. Accordingly I tried to be diplomatic and posted terms of surrender for Soldier to accept. Not only did he not agree to these terms, but the response he did give breached many of the terms.<br />
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===Resolution===<br />
Based on the subject's continued actions and attitudes, I am forced to allow my Philosophe Knight to judge him, and his group, based on the [[Philosophe_Knights/Policies|Articles of Ignorance]]<br />
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The subject is found guilty of the following crimes:<br />
:Class A<br />
::Slander<br />
:Class B<br />
::Ignorance<br />
The punishment for such crimes is clear. Repeated education by a Philosophe Knight educator or by an allied group.<br />
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The group is found guilty of:<br />
::[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Eric_bessette&diff=prev&oldid=1264397 Mass Hindrance]<br />
::Mass Slander<br />
The punishment for these crimes is also clear, addition to the Enemies of Enlightenment list and education on sight for all members<br />
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===The Knowledge===<br />
The following are known profiles of the criminals:<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1214138 Soldier]<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1324685 Zombie Hunter Recon]<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1345960 Reporter John]<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=prev&oldid=1267778 This edit also implies that SZES uses zerging tactics]<br />
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Their most likely location is [[The Murtaugh Motel]] in [[Penny Heights]]. They are known to restock in [[Giddings Mall]].<br />
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Other locations where they claim as territory are:<br />
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[[Lavor Alley School]] in [[Pitneybank]]<br />
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[[Haydon Auto Repair]] in [[Spicer Hills]]<br />
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[[The Piggott Building]] in [[Spicer Hills]]<br />
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They are known to frequent [[Wasteland 23,97]] in [[Spicer Hills]] as a revive point.<br />
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===In Summation===<br />
Soldier decided to select a non-combatant character to pick on due to a disagreement with that player's owner. He chose this character even though it is well known he is a pacifist and survivor orientated. By doing this Soldier reveals himself and his group as cowardly.<br />
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Soldier refused generous peaceful overtones and responded with hostile acts and words.<br />
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Soldier and his group have been judged enemies of enlightenment and will be added to the Philosophe Knight Kill On Sight list. Their names and profiles will be forwarded to all allied groups and organisations that the Philosophe Knights are associated with.<br />
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'''Soldier's right to reply is hereby revoked. He is no longer welcome to post on any page in Iscariot's namespace. Precedent in Vandal Banning shows that an individual posting on another's namespace after specifically being informed that they are unwelcome constitutes an act of vandalism. Any breach will be reported.'''<br />
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-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} for [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young|Damon Young, Knight of the Philosophe Order]] 20:49, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:"l0l 0wnt"? Loved the links. Also:<br />
:[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1348250 SZES Officer 01]<br />
:[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1348396 SZES Officer 02]<br />
:[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1351306 SZES Officer 03]<br />
: Sorry if you don't want comments posted under this header, {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 02:10, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::You have followed the page guidelines and provided great assistance, I approve of your post!<br />
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::It also helps prove the question of potential zerging I feel.<br />
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::-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:29, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::: I wanted to die after reading [[User:Soldier|his page]] x.o..<br />
::: "Avertizement"? Wot? Logs 15, 20, and 21? lawl. It's interesting and maddening, His Incoherency..<br />
:::: {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:42, 9 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Cycling Suggestions==<br />
When cycling suggestions, do not remove anything from the top, nor the SugVoteBox template from the voting section. Navigation is just as useful after closing than before it, and the SugVoteBox template keeps the page in Category:Suggestion Pages. Just add the template to the top and remove the things from the bottom. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 10:53, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I have no idea who did it right or wrong first or last, I just made sure it's done right THIS time. Add the template, and delete everything below the last vote. Every time. Period. And no one will complain. Or shouldn't. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:28, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::I remove everything below the last spam when I cycle suggestions, but I don't bother removing the horizontal line if someone left it there. The most important thing here is not to delete {{tl|SugVoteBox}}. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 13:28, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::That shouldn't be getting deleted because it's not at the top or the bottom of the page: the only places that need to be touched when cycling... Now, I honestly thought you knew how to do this, Iscariot. Probably just an oversight, I'll stop harassing you on your Talk page now! ;) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:44, 6 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Apology ==<br />
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Okay, I forgive. And just for your sake I will not report about you. But under one rule: If you made a threat to my group or any of my allies' groups, I will had to declare war on your group! And to prove that I'm serious about this, you have 48 Hours to accept my appolgy. Failure would be, I don't know won't be tolerated. So to make a long story short I'm sorry and promise to stop making threats.<br />
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-- [[User:Soldier|Soldier]] 23:51, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Recruitment problem Fixed ==<br />
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Okay, I've fixed it by removing it. I admit that the flag looks like it has been made by a 8 year old. But I have to warn you, if you insult me at anything else even I don't care I had to report about it. You're lucky I don't know how but insulting will not be tolerated the second time.<br />
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-- [[User:Soldier|Soldier]] 19:29, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Firstly, fuck off! Don't bring demands to my page retard.<br />
:Secondly, go right to Vandal Banning, there's a link above. They'll also tell you to fuck right off, there is no civility policy on this wiki. Grow up.<br />
:Thirdly, read the fucking rules crotch spawn, it's not like I put them at the top so window lickers like you would be able to find them.<br />
:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:37, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Behold everyone, the stupidity of this moron!<br />
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::He dislikes my response so goes to his group page and lists [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad&diff=prev&oldid=1264220 one of my characters as a 'Psycopath'] (evidently English wasn't his best subject in school, nor was using a spell checker).<br />
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::Did he list [[User:Iscariot/Cliff_Spab|my dastardly death cultist]], a member of the renowned [[Gore Corps]]? No, this idiot decides to list my [[Philosophe Knights|Philosophe Knight]], yes, that would be the same character known to groups all over Malton as someone known for [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|rebuilding Malton and preserving knowledge]]. It's not like it says on his page that he's a pacifist or anything. Picking on a peaceful librarian, how brave of the mighty [[Special Zombie Extermination Squad]].<br />
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::It would be wrong of me to use my death cultist to shoot him for his blatant stupidity, that would be [[zerging]]. Accordingly I'll have to respond from the view of my Philosophe Knight. He doesn't shoot people, so, what shall I do?<br />
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::This idiot has 48 hours from the time of this post to write a grovelling and sincere apology and post it on this page. This apology is to be perfect in its spelling and grammar. He is also to remove my listing from his group's page permanently. The place of my listing is to be taken by an apology directed at every reader of his page apologising for his poor spelling and grammar and continued acts of stupidity on this wiki. This apology is to remain in place for three months.<br />
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::Failure to comply with this benevolent compromise will result in the following action<nowiki>:</nowiki><br />
:::'''1.''' He and his group shall be added to the Philosophe Knights' enemy list. Every Knight coming across himself or his group will execute on site. Unlike the [[Rogues_Gallery_%28Brainstock%29|Rogue's Gallery]], there is no way off this list.<br />
:::'''2.''' The names and profiles of his group shall be passed to all [[Player Killer]] groups allied with the Philosophe Knights. These groups include the [[Spartans]], [[Lebende Tote]] and the [[Flowers of Disease]] amongst others. I trust the consequences are obvious.<br />
:::'''3.''' As before, names and profiles will be passed to the [[PKA]] so that all member groups can add to their target lists. As various groups are in the middle of two large events, the [[Malton Uprising]] and the [[Red_Rum/PK_Olympics|Player Killer Olympics]], this means that idiot boy and his group won't have many hiding places at all.<br />
:::'''4.''' All survivor groups allied with the Philosophe Knights will be asked to restrict aid and contact to this group. Such venerable organisations that would be approached include the [[Quartly Study Group]], [[The Fortress]] and the [[MCM|Malton College of Medicine]].<br />
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::I'd advise against 'fighting back'. The last group that tried fighting a [[Imperium Must Die|PK coalition]] suffered [[Invasion of Gibsonton|crushing defeat and humiliation]].<br />
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::-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:04, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::Who is this fool? Why does he commit the crime of slander so freely?--{{User:DT/Signature}} 21:39, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|The Culture Tour 2008]]==<br />
Hello, is there anyway assist in anyway on your humble [[User:Iscariot/Damon_Young/Culture_Tour|quest]]?<br />
<br />
Since I see the suburbs left are, According a [[Suburbs|map]], derelict, You might care for an extra hand?<br />
<br />
As a sidenote, I've been considering attempting to join the [[Philosophe Knights]].<br />
<br />
{{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 02:59, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:All vetting of potential applicants for the Order takes place on our forum. You can login with 'The Visitor' account and apply for membership for one of your characters.<br />
<br />
:Given that you may consider entry into the group at some point in the near future, being conscious of the spirit of the zerging rules, I must respectfully decline your offer of aid. Even accidentally I, nor the Order, do not not run the risk of multiple alt abuse ever.<br />
<br />
:However, do feel free to follow the progress of the tour and attend the completion celebration at [[Quartly Library]] at the conclusion of my odyssey.<br />
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:-- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:32, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Would you accept a revive? Also, [[Dakerstown]] is survivor held, Atleast in some capacity. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 00:43, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::I accept random revives all the time, feel free. My next target is Eastonwood, I have intelligence that some of our allied survivor groups have been repairing in that area. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:48, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::Alright, That isn't a large deviation of my course to [[Dakerstown]], After I finish dispatching this [[Zombie|breach]] at [[Southall Mansion]].. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::With your last two postings, 11/9/08 and 12/9/08, Would you accept assistance at this point? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:31, 14 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::I will accept any assistance anyone can give me based on publicly available information. I would however still urge you to join the Order, or perhaps one of our affiliated or allied groups. Malton College of Medicine perhaps? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:21, 19 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Internal Header==<br />
Whats an internal header?<br />
:OK, for starters, sign your posts, put <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your post to do this.<br />
:Secondly internal headers are the sections surrounded by equals signs. They create a link from the contents box at the top. If you use more than the current section it is in you create an internal section of the preceding one. Such headers are banned from recruitment ads as they screw up the page by doing this. This is why I removed your ad, am about to do it again and will continue to do so for as long they remain in there. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:40, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==My 'brainstorming' page==<br />
Since almost every person who ever voted on one of my suggestions ever has been complaining that I've come up with nothing but crap, I created [[User:Blake_Firedancer/Developing_Suggestions|this brainstorming page]] for me to develop ideas before I put them on Talk:Suggestions. I've got a couple of ideas up there already, and some feedback would be appreciated. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 11:46, 22 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Why dont you tell me what I did wrong?==<br />
When I added the M-BEK pages you deleted it. Im no expert on it and im sure alot of people are so maybe you can help me cause you seem to know what youre doing.--{{User:Doctor Oberman/sig}} 17:40, 17 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:All ads on the recruitment page must conform to the standards set out clearly at the beginning of the page. One of these criteria is that no ad should have any internal headers of any kind. Any ad that does not conform to the guidelines can be deleted immediately. Yours was. <br />
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:If you'll notice, I did put the reasoning in the edit summary. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:51, 17 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Problem with the recrutment Page==<br />
Hi - when I went on to update the timestamp on my recrutment advert I noticed that it was centre allingned. Upon closer inspection I found that everything from the '''C''' section onwards was centre aligned (which I know isnt suppose to be). It appears that "Cheap Ass Survivors : Pro-Survivor" groups recrutment adverticment is whats causeing it. I would sort it myself but I dont want to change anything incase I make a mistake or incase you need permission to edit peoples recrutments (I dont want to get into any trouble) - this is the reason I came to you. I know that you moniter and keep the recrutment page upto date so could you please have a look at it and see if it can be fixed. Many thanks in advance --[[User:Feon Kensai|Feon Kensai]] 10:19, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:No-one needs permission to alter any advert that is breaking any of the guidelines or is breaking the page. I've had a look at the page and ad in question and can't see anything wrong. It might just be the way my screen's set up so I'll get Whitehouse to have a look. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:34, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::No error in your browser, we were just looking at the wrong ad. If you look at the "C" header it was also centre aligned, as such it must have been the last ad in "B" section causing the "C" header and subsequent articles to centre. Appears that Browncoats recruitment ad hadn't closed their tags, causing articles below them to be included as part of their table and as such centred. Fixed now. [[User:Whitehouse]] 18:26, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Cheers dude, I suck at wiki formatting so I thought you'd be able to pick up on it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:31, 7 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==deleted my ad==<br />
i was wondering y you deleted my ad and i request that you dont do it again or i will report you.<br />
--[[User:Fanglord2|Fanglord2]] 15:48, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:He would have deleted your ad because it was out of date. When the timestamp is two weeks old, the ad is removed. He's done nothing wrong. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:49, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::y would he do that i never knew were were supposed to restamp it?--[[User:Fanglord2|Fanglord2]] 15:51, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::'''After two weeks as measured from the timestamp the entire advert may be removed for inactivity / non-compliance. It is the group’s responsibility to update the timestamp to avoid having the advertisement deleted.'' <--- It says that at the top of the page in the guidelines. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:53, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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oh ok sorry my Apologys i reupdated it.--[[User:Fanglord2|Fanglord2]] 15:57, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Don't look a gift horse in the template==<br />
{{iscariot}}<br />
It's a shame that George Carlin had to <s>die</s> have a terminal episode for me to come up with this template Play on Names. I just didn't want to make one with a bible picture for you. Too obvious. This is much better. Enjoy. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:45, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Please go to http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Deletions and vote Keep so that the Grimch doesn't try to delete the template I made for you (and others). Thank you. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 13:06, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Your services are required==<br />
OK. There's a couple of my suggestions on the Talk:Suggestions page that are getting some good feedback, but before I progress with them any further, I want you to check to see if they're duplicates. Honestly, I'm useless at finding dupes as I can never really figure out where exactly to look for 'em.<br />
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You, on the other hand, seem to be pulling dupes left, right, centre and any other direction one can think of. So, I would like you to search for dupes for my suggestions, to see if they should go up to Suggestions.<br />
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[[Talk:Suggestions#Generator_Efficiency|Find the dupe #1!]]<br />
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[[Talk:Suggestions#Mega-Syringes|Find the dupe #2!]]<br />
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Thank you in advance --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 13:32, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'm rushed off my feet with the real world at the moment, so you'll forgive me for not finding the exact links.<br />
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::::Number one (Going on the current 2.0 version on the linked page). This isn't ''a'' suggestion, this is several. That's going to get it killed as a suggestion from the start. Anyone who dislikes any aspect of the many things you are trying to implement is going to kill the whole thing on that basis.<br />
<br />
::::The tuning of generators to run longer (with and without a prerequisite skill) has been done before. It was generally shot down due to the massive factor of the AP balance already in favour of survivors. This will get shot down for the same reason and by trenchies who don't want PKers lighting up their Fortresses of Eternal Darkness for longer to shoot them.<br />
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::::Number two (Going on the current suggested version). The notion of using that survivor's DNA is complex, as well as an open opportunity for zergers to have syringe mules specifically for themselves. Having it cure infection is what's going to get this spammed to death though due to the bigger implications. It means infection is no longer a problem, survivors no longer have to expend APs and revives holding malls and hospitals, this will cause an almost game breaking swing in AP balance from the current pro survivor to ''massively'' pro survivor. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:07, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Rumor is Iscariot gained his dupe-finding abilities because while on a field trip, he was bitten by a radioactive dupe, and now he has the superpower of being able to find them with a special 'Dupe Sense' --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 16:50, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Actually I use a special superpower call "Common Sense" when it comes to dupes. It works very well.<br />
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::I was once bitten by a radioactive redhead....that was fun :) -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:07, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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==RE: The Recruitment Page ==<br />
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I think I cleared up the mess. I used the last revision by you as a basis, then added all the correct changes to that. The only ad I forgot to put back in was the DK one which I'll do now (without destroying the page). - [[User:Whitehouse]] 13:34, 23 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Torches==<br />
Seriously - I want to know.<br><br />
If they call flashlights torches (first successfully commercially produced by Everready in 1899), what do our Brit friends across the puddle call a torch (the fiery kind)?<br><br />
Tell me Tell me Tell me! I need to know now. This question tortures my mind now. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 14:29, 29 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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Flame torches are called torches, flashlights are called Electric torches. Answer your question?--[[User:JustAnotherWebSurfer|PX]] 22:11, 8 September (BST)<br />
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==Talk:Suggestions==<br />
You know I wrote the guidlines for that page right? The intent was for suggestions to be removed once discussion had ceased, the 5 days thing is just to be sure it really is dead, when the author themselves say they have no intention of continuing the discussion the suggestion can and should be removed.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:33, 27 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Great(!) More rules written one way and then acted on by sysops in a completely different manner. That's just what this wiki needs. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:43, 27 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Your Keep on Triangulation==<br />
'''''Keep''''' - ''This is a dupe, but I like innocent bystanders being murdered, so if someone wants to dupe it they can go find the link themselves. -- Iscariot BB2 PK WTE 18:34, 25 May 2008 (BST)'' - This cracked me up for 2 reasons. (1) it's the second time I've ever seen you vote keep on anything (first time voting keep on something which will actually pass), and (2) the keep reasoning is hilarious :) --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:48, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:I'm actually waiting someone to whine and take me to A/VB for it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:53, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Not so sure they will - like I said I think this was more about trying to 'get me' than about the structure by which I rsepond to incredibly long winded posts on my user page. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 19:14, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I meant for the keep vote. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:23, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::That would be hilarious too. People are way anal about the wiki --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 19:55, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==That Crucifix thing==<br />
Wow... you've never voted keep on a single idea of mine and even I've never had that sort of animosity towards you. There some underlying history between the two of you, like there is with me and some members of the Malton Globetrotters? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:31, 24 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:I tend not to have animosity towards people in general. While I may think certain ideas are bad, it has no bearing on my view of the people making them. However, the hypocrisy of religious dogma gets to me, as do cheating scumbags. That moron is proven to have created alts on the wiki to try and force suggestions through. Accordingly I hope he fucks off and dies. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:36, 24 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::How did they prove he created them? Just curious, because no one's been able to find out who created the stupid sock puppets that ruined my nailgun suggestion. Which I'm still annoyed about. I'm probably going to be holding off on bringing nailgun v2.0 to a vote until the zombie population rises a bit. Can't really make weapon suggestions when the survivor population is doing better - it's self-defeating. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:47, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::[[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_04#User:Gabdewulf|Proof here]]. There are all sorts of screens and buttons that sysops get to check these things. Send your suggestion up, remember PR actually means nothing, Ankle Grab came from rejected. I'd also like to point out the current stats and the lack of whining from 'my side' as opposed to the amount of whining from 'your side' when the situation was reversed. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:53, 25 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Not that I'm implying that The Dead are 'your side' but they did quite a bit of kvetching. And there was that whole 'On Strike' thing that I've heard a lot about (though it was long before my time). I do agree that survivors acting like trenchies are far more likely to whine than zombies acting like griefers are likely to whine (again - I'm not calling you a griefer, I'm talking about the extremes on both sides). In any case, it's a moot point. I've been playing zombies lately more than survivors, despite my wiki stance, and I think I know which of my alts I am going to turn PKer. Just need to wait until work eases up a bit so I can have time to post on the forums to get advice. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 14:33, 29 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Giddings Mall Page==<br />
Please stop edit warring and take the issue to Arbitration. I'm leaving the page protected until the case begins so get a move on. This has gone on way too long. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:38, 17 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Get off your high horse. Just looking into the History, I can see at least 3 occasions of you being involved in the edit warring. I've put the above comment on because you were one of the 3 involved in it, and protected the page to stop the other two going at it when they come back on. Stop moaning. I'm not picking on you. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:53, 17 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Sorry Sir==<br />
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Hi Iscariot, sorry about my "impersonation" of you, which, while related to temporary feelings of anger at being called a retard, also had a lot to do with a misunderstanding of site policy and a sudden joyous power trip realization of the kinda crap you can get away with over the internet (that suggestion was my first wiki edit evar!) Anyway, I won't do it again even if you severely piss me off, and I hope there's no hard feelings. See you round the wiki ---[[user:Pac8s|Pac8s]]<br />
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BTW, I really like your alternate server idea, although it seems really complex to put into action of course. Do you have resources to do it, or are you talking to anybody about it? Obviously people object to sweeping changes of the existing Malton map, but I agree with you that Urban Dead is really far from feeling in-genre, and I think alternate cities are an excellent solution to that problem. --[[User:Pac8s|Pac8s]] 02:27, 18 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I do not have any resources to do it, computing is witchcraft to me. The development on version 2.0 stopped after it went on the suggestions page for comment. It really needs version 3.0 doing due to the Monroeville lessons, just I can't be bothered. I have another idea for an alternate server, but....can't be arsed. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:18, 20 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Moderation ==<br />
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cuntdrama was perma banned as a vandal, that's why his comment was removed. Do not revert. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 00:13, 15 May 2008<br />
:#Read the rules of the fucking page, it's not like I put them at the top or anything....<br />
:#Who banned him? And who made the report? And who ruled on that? You better hope I don't find the answer I suspect I'm going to find or you can go ahead and write your next misconduct case yourself. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:18, 15 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Are you tripping on shrooms kiddo ? First of all, yeah it was me the one who banned him. His user name was a offensive towards a established user from this community, that alone is reason to ban him. Would you like us to take lightly on a Shitcariot user who were only harrasing every edit you make ? He also posted a goatse picture in the wiki, you think that's good faith ? He even dedicated it to conn. Now... put your gun where your mouth is, or STFU... i dont need an ass threatening me every time i do my job in here. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 00:27, 15 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Actually, I think he'd just laugh if somebody named themselves shitcariot. It'd be funny if you asked me. I wish I had a vandal named after me...--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:36, 15 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Pooicidal angel? Shagnat? Smelita? Twitscariot? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 14:37, 29 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==OOooOO!==<br />
Is Santlerville the only burb in Malty with no librarys or museums? Or are you boycotting for some other reason? And why doesn't the tour include schools?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:01, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unless you can show me otherwise, or I've missed something (possible given the speed with which I made that list) then I believe that [[Santlerville]] is the only [[suburb]] that doesn't play host to a [[library]] or [[museum]]. No wonder the population spend most of their time drunk....<br />
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:I've been meaning to go ask the Beavers for suggestions for an alternative location to visit in order to include Santlerville in the tour.<br />
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:I deliberately kept schools out due to the nature of the school system and teachers to sour peoples' attitudes to education and self betterment. I still need to get confirmation on the layouts of the mansions, studies and libraries there will also be included, but the wiki seems to be lacking. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:08, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yeah i can't think of one of the top of my head. Us Santlervillians are more the [[Dowdney Mall|shopping]] and drinking type, although we are also quite [[St. Emelia's Church (Santlerville)|religious]] and don't like to travel, with only one railway station in the suburb. [[The Sweatman Motel]] is a great place to go if you're looking to expand your mind. If you didn't think one person being twenty people was possible, just check the pavement outside The Sweatman, it's mind blowing.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:04, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Recruitment Removal==<br />
Hi - I know that yesterday you removed the Deck of 52 recrutment post. I need you to tell me what the date on the time stamp said please because I think I may have made a mistake with timing/schedual for when Im to update the timestamp - can you please get back to me on this and help me out - THANKS in advnace --[[User:Feon Kensai|Feon Kensai]] 16:28, 2 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Thank you for your time a quick responce - I guess I got my timing wrong LOL (will up date it weekly now) - I promiss this wont happen again and sorry. I have to commend you for your quick action of keeping the recrutment page up to date though ;) - nicly done. Thanks again for your time - you helped a lot (I have a bad memmory). Cya around. <br />
P.S: Sorry I put this subject at the bottom of the talk page :( - I will pay more attention next time --[[User:Feon Kensai|Feon Kensai]] 13:46, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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==They're asking questions==<br />
Over [[User Talk:Hagnat|here]], just thought you should know *nods and walks off* --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:50, 26 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes indeed. It struck me as curious that despite being inactive for two months, you were able to check the PK forum nearly every day. That's why I sent you the private message earlier. (Also because my job as the PK's on-duty librarian is in part to maintain the active member lists and other information in the library reference collection, and I was trying to figure out how to place you.) -- {{User:VI/signature}} 00:43, 30 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Ha ha ha! That's hilarious. And to think I've been totally confused all this time. I've seen the sort of window-thing you're talking about before, so I know what you mean. Anyway, sorry about bothering you. Spies are no threat at all to the Knights, but I keep my eyes open regardless, partially because it's fun to find them, and partially because having a the PK riddled with spies would sort of destroy our reputation as mysterious and esoteric. -- {{User:VI/signature}} 00:50, 30 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::I look forward to it. It seems you have your work quite out out too, what with the state of things these days. Praise Knowledge, as they say. -- {{User:VI/signature}}00:57, 30 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Our Talk==<br />
Iscariot, I think we should continue our talk in your page instead of in Gab's since it no longer has anything to do with anything he was saying :)<br />
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What did you mean by me being a bad luck charm since one of my characters tends to be in the Buttonville area? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 00:21, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Feel free to move the whole thing over here so it doesn't clutter his page.<br />
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:You? Bad luck? [http://www.barhah.com/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=9846&sid=490b22c469d9ad8730cf43e3a4860f40&start=15#p152753 Have you read the Zombie forecast?] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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You said: "''Somebody'' has to speak up for zombies on that page otherwise we'd have survivors in mechs. My 'PKer' doesn't kill anyone, and is actually on a tour to visit and repair buildings... yeah, he helps zombies ....:P<br />
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I think you're confusing pure DCing with other things, however you are definitely misunderstanding what I mean by fun! ;) -- Iscariot"<br />
Oh I have no problem with you sticking up for zombies. I actually like when you point out dupes for me so that I don't make a fool of myself in Suggestions. And the comment you made about letting zombies use sledgehammers I think got me a few keep votes when I made sure to make it clear that zombies -can- use sledgehammers. <br />
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:Dupes are easy to point out, just waste some time on the old suggestions. I still don't like that sledgehammer suggestion, but with support like that it's a bit pointless bothering. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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I realize that right now I am basically a pro-survivor suggester (although my not enough shotgun suggestion was definitely not pro-survivor), but that's only because I started playing the game right when The Dead started playing so I have a certain view of things. I do try to make my suggestions balanced though... you never see me suggesting mechs or machine guns or flamethrowers, now do you. <br />
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:There's nothing wrong with being prosurvivor, there's something wrong with being trenchie, you don't want to do that. Go hang out with the classy survivors at Beerhah. You'll notice that the majority also have zombie alts.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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And if you're a PKer who kills for some actual purpose, rather than wanting to make people who take the game tooooo seriously cry, then I commend you :) <br />
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:Don't kill people full stop. Complete pacifist, wearing the garb and group tag of one of the oldest and well known PK groups in the city. That's fun. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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Actually, my favorite PKer group is Red Rum - I actually have considered making a PKer character and seeing if I could join them. They're one of the few PK groups I've seen who actually look fun. <br />
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:Convert one of your current survivors, it's hell if you start PKing from level 1. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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I just don't find that playing my zombie would be fun if I was being total zombie/Death Cultist, at least while the Dead are on the march. I'd feel like I'm taking advantage of a bunch of cheaters being currently in the game. Even though that wouldn't make me a cheater, i'd feel like one by association. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 00:21, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Some people, even career zombies, don't like DCing. TBH I only use it as a label for shorthand, I've been working on a philosophy of something very different for a potential new group. Playing a zombie doesn't mean you have to associate with The Dead. I recommend RRF or MOB, I know people in both (as well as a few other hordes) and they'll look after you and make you smile in ways you didn't think possible in this game (see Zoey and I singing and dancing in the middle of a safehouse being destroyed). Once you have a zombie alt, you'll realise where the fun is in this game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==RE:Recruitment==<br />
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Hey, I'm no longer looking after that page. Had to give it up to deal with real life stuff. It'd be great if you'd be willing to keep it tidy. - [[User:Whitehouse|W]] 23:40, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:14 days and out is correct. I used to edit out ads that had minor flaws (using <nowiki><!-- / --></nowiki>), and I'd delete ads which breached the major rules. Either way works, you should leave a dated comment under the removed ads header explaining what was wrong. If they don't do anything within two weeks of your comment, just remove the header. Good luck. - [[User:Whitehouse|W]] 23:53, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Can I pick your mind?==<br />
Hey, I was reading on the posts and you seem to know every dupe ever posted so could I question you on those grounds?[[User:Gabdewulf|Gabdewulf]] 04:39, 21 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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A Zombie respawn, basically when a zombie is killed, they stand up somewhere other than where they were killed, has been already been suggested, right?. Do you remember where or when?<br />
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Also, walls or other means of limiting travel and zombie's human memories of building names, what kind of suggestions have been brought about these? [[User:Gabdewulf|Gabdewulf]] 16:44, 21 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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My focus is strictly on Malton. I didn't get into Monroeville because it seemed purely temporary. <br />
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While, yes, low levels zombies have to spend a sizeable chunk of the current game day standing up, how many days of game play are lost by pro-suriviors when thier killed? A pro-surivior has to stand up, travel to a rp, and wait and hope that someone is reviving. Also with the current state of the city, a great many of the RP are abandoned. As far as time goes, pro-surivior suffer higher penalties for getting back in the action after death even when compared to a zombie being head shotted every single day. Because at the very least, a zombie gets to play thier character every single day.<br />
:You don't have to just go be a mrh? cow at a RP, you could scout, move about, decade overcaded buildings.<br />
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Also, its been my experience that very few low level zombies worry about the 2ap traveling by zking, unless maybe thier a meat shield, to get the early skills.<br />
:2AP to move hurts, a lot. Also ZKing cuts your XP gain in half, and remaining stationery broadcasts your position to trenchies who then headshot you for more AP loss.<br />
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Creedy fell cus the zombies focused on the fort, while the defenders focused on the nieghborgood. And, even with the entire neighborhood's buildings being pretty heavily secured, the zombies just strolled past and started the seige on the fort. And this is the agruement for walls/movement and/or removal of bulding names. The repeated pattern seems the mass of zombies skiping into green neighborhoods, destroying the resource buildings with meat shield tactics, and letting lower levels finish the suriviors. <br />
:Erm, no. Creedy fell because forts are death traps. The Bash used the same tactics against a mall and were stuck for two weeks. I should know, I was there. Zombies are ''supposed'' to go into green suburbs and eat everyone, that's the point of a zombie apocalypse. You are evidently confusing meat shielding tactics with something else, meat shielding is a survivor tactic. Allowing low levels to gain the kill bonus is entirely legal, survivors could do the same if they got organised.<br />
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But even with the current numbers of s/z, the survivours are being crowded into a smaller area. The majority of the city is at the red level and kept there by alts so the survivours can't escape. The overcrowding causes survivours search rate to increasingly reduce, which will cause the city to shrink further. What happends when the zombies finish destroying the city? How many players will/have left by then?<br />
:What search rates are you on about? Search rates are at the highest they've ever been since I started playing the game. I remember when it took a week to stock up on ammo. I do that now in a day.<br />
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And the agruement about zombie player being a minority is that zombie player, when revive, are PKing. When surivours die, they either zombie or are waiting to revive. [[User:Gabdewulf|gabdewulf]] 22:56, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your point? Also, not all zombies PK, the major hordes actually have rules against it. There should be a downside to dying as a survivor, otherwise everyone would have instant revives and we'd be playing Urban PK. And how are you having trouble finding a revive? I have The Big Bash in my group heading and have no problems. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:11, 22 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Hey Iscariot? ==<br />
Hope you realize that I don't actually hold anything against you personally, despite that we might have... spirited... arguments and debates on talk:discussion, k?<br />
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Oh and 28 days later is a hard science fiction zombie movie, and zombies are dead, not undead. :) --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 20:36, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:If you think those are spirited arguments then you live a very sheltered life <nowiki>:P</nowiki><br />
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:Zombies are undead, dead things don't move around, zombies do. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:45, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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(gasp) Iscariot.... Are you... are you no longer the ultimate dupe finding machine? Gatehouse View? I rely on your counsel in all matters dupe-finding! :) Or did you not feel that was a dupe because of the lack of suicide ability? Did you fail me because I haven't gotten you the Doomsday girl yet - I'm trying, I swear. She isn't returning any of the calls. Thanks :) --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 15:09, 22 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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:You doubt me? The Patron Saint of Dupes? I shall smite thee with terrible vengeance and furious spamming, and ye shall know that I am Iscariot!<br />
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:I've had a busy week at work and most of my spare time has been spent watching Jericho. It's also a dupe of something in PR, I don't go there by and large, it's full of either sensible ideas, or ones more retarded than the ones in Rejected. Yes, keep working on my pretty thing, you aren't trying hard enough. :P You may substitute Cristina Scabbia if that's easier for you. <br />
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:On the subject of films, the new Indiana Jones is ''god awful'', avoid at all costs. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:29, 24 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Group Deletion ==<br />
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Hey. We no longer delete defunt group pages. As long as no one claims that name for themselves, these group pages can stay there forever. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 20:02, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Re: Keep Votes==<br />
There is a small box next to the votes that says:<br/><br />
''Votes must be numbered, justified, signed, and timestamped. Votes that do not conform to the above may be struck by any user.''<br/><br />
No matter if it's a keep, kill or spam, "THIS GIVES ME A GIRLBONER" doesn't really count as a justification and (as I also put in my reasoning) inane. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 19:54, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Mall Tunes==<br />
Hey Iscariot, I realize that this has been an issue in the past, but is there any way that we could keep the Mall Tunes section on the giddings page?[[User:William Joel|William Joel]] 21:07, 13 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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are you refering to the whole happykook thing?[[User:William Joel|William Joel]] 00:19, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Ok you win==<br />
I am not going to post anymore on the Bayonet Suggestion. Reading back over everything I think I have been too defensive. So, I came here to say I was sorry. I was incorrect that a "blood groove" assists in the removal of a bayonet from a target. Ok, I was wrong. It is there to reduce the weight of the blade. I am not looking to have problems with you, so I am dropping this issue. As I see it, we had a difference of opinions and that is it. From here on out, I have no issues with you. --{{:User:Airborne88/sig}} 01:26, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Thanks!==<br />
That little rat is sooo cute! And thanks for the message =) That video is hilarious, Rex Manning....total douchebag! Actually, kinda reminds me of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbk6kExKf2Q Gunther], ooooh you touch my tra la la --[[User:Fifth Element|Fifth Element]] 09:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Monroeville==<br />
Dear Iscariot , first i would like to thank you for fixing the PPD wiki page. I'm a newbie when it comes to editing the pages but am trying my best . Concerning the target list for WTE our scouts have been in certain areas witnessing and takeing survivor evidence of attacks . I ADMIT we have no proof of it being you guys . It has been speculation so far, as you guys are the most organized in this burb. Concerning this and pov, i will try and tone down the messages left on the burb page . But if you'd like to just tell us where you are to confirm our sightings we will gladly bring donuts ,coffee and little tents for when you are sieging buildings .Hope to keep in touch.--[[User:Flub|Flub]] 13:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC) <br />
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==Your arby against happykook==<br />
please, plenty of arbitrators hav offered to arbitrate your case. Please, list all those whom you would agree to arbitrate the case. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 23:03, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:yeah, totally missed it. Next time move the arbitration to the proper page once you have decided on an arbitrator. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 23:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The case has started. Please prepare your opening statement.--{{User:Seventythree/Sig}} 09:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Giddings==<br />
I've locked the page to stop the revert war that has sprung up and I request that you and Happykook take the matter to arbitration to sort this out. Until it is sorted, after I unlock the page, neither of you is to restore or remove the tunes until a ruling is reached on the matter. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'm going to ask that you leave Happykooks edits alone for just now. I don't want this to boil over. Please could one of you bring an arby case so we can begin getting this mess sorted out. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Please leave his edit to the Danger Report stand for now. This needs to be sorted out as I can tell that if it's not, this is going to turn into an all out flame war, which we really don't need. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I know. I'm asking this so that we can avoid name calling and accusations for the time being. Could one of you please make an Arby case so that an arbitrator can get this sorted out. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You have been served an Arbitration Case by Happykook. I personally will be willing to arbitrate (if you are willing) as I have a clear knowledge of the case and know the grievances of both sides. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:You'll need to pick another arbitrator as Karek has withdrawn an offer. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Aye I'm off the table, however I do recommend you reconsider both Hagnat and Seventythree, they are two users that I would trust to arbitrate a case I'm involved in and I have little doubt they would attempt to settle the dispute in a neutral and proper manner.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Have a template==<br />
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{{Template:Killitforward}}<br />
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Thought Id return the favour. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Damn the Man! ==<br />
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are you perhaps an Empire fan? ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:'shock me shock me shock me with that consistent behaviour'. you said it regarding survivors voting on some suggestion... :P good to find a fellow lover. There's a complete script someone on the net that i occasionally flick through just to amuse myself. We should def get an empire template going...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah i used to think that SexyRexy was named after THE sexy rexy, not some random nfl player...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Empire Records}}<br />
:::And don't thank me, thank [[User:Fifth Element|Gina]] ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==More A/VB==<br />
A few points:<br />
#Sign your posts<br />
#Present accurate diff comparisons. Skipping revisions in diffs without providing a damned good explaination as to why is extremely deceptive and is usually an attempt to get another person in trouble for impersonation when none has happened.<br />
#A/VB is not for asking about things. Go to the talk page of another sysop, or the A/VB '''talk page''' to make requests, otherwise it will be seen as a charge and dealt with appropriately. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 16:59, 6 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==A/VB==<br />
"''I'm asking for nothing short of a perma-ban.''"... seeing we didn't permban him, does that mean you refuse to accept the warning? ;) Just a little tip, don't tell the sysops what their decisions should be, or you'll end up being called a back seat mod. BTW, what's happening with the arby case? Chimera gone into hiding or summit? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 08:20 31 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:It was late over here, and in typical zed style I was eating harmans and washing it down with a brew of known provenance (Caffery's if you're interested). I just hate sore losers who go for juvenile insults when they've got nothing else. Did you see us doing the same when the Bash stalled? <br />
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:I haven't heard anything from Chimera, I shall check the precedent in such circumstance tonight and try and get this moving again. -- [[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] 15:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Arbitration==<br />
Thanks for your message. I am a new wiki user, and I am totally unfamiliar with the arbitration process. Could you possibly provide a little guidance for me? I'm not sure where to find the rules and policies. I'm also not sure how I'm supposed to go about choosing the best arbitrator, for all I have to go on right now are user profiles. Is there a way for me to access their past decisions? Thanks! --[[User:Chimera|Chimera]] 20:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Looks like Chimera has accepted you, as have I <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:08 25 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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==Sorry.==<br />
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I was looking at those proposals, really liked what I saw, but was put off by the bad use of punctuation. As such, I corrected them in order to make the page look more presentable. I was unaware that this was considered vandalism, and therefore apologise for my actions. [[User:Magnum Odus|Magnum Odus]] 00:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Thanks for the rat! ==<br />
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I appreciate it. --[[User:SexyRexyGrossman|Sexy Rexy Grossman]] 02:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== An alternative point of view. ==<br />
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Just reading your comments on siege descriptions.<br />
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Shaun of the dead. None to start with, but when david says there was only a couple before you came here, how many are there here now and di says "lots". You CAN hear moaning and some glass breaking.<br />
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Also how about in the winchester after Ed wins the jackpot on Ooh Aah Dracula, and you hear all the zombies groaning before they attack, or before they break through into the celler?<br />
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28 days later is not a zombie film. Sorry.<br />
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Resident evil. Can't hear the zombies inside the red queens control area. An underground bunker, with laser defences, where even the glass walls of the flooded lab let through only a dull thump and are strong enough to hold back the weight of an entire room of water.. Thats a secret base, under the ground. Designed specially to stop outbreaks moving between sections. So I assume soundproof.<br />
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Day of the dead. When outside you can hear them. When down a lift, across a car park and into an underground lab. No sound. That isnt the same kind of distance as the otherside of a hastily barricaded door to a mall.<br />
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I of course understand your no x ray vision argument and in all honestly its probably a bad time to suggest it 38% zombies and all that. But hey. opinions.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:OK, let's see:<br />
:SOTD - I'd be putting that down to him just having gotten in with the window still open, how many can you hear when Shaun and Liz are talking things over or when they're talking about Shaun getting them satellite?<br />
:28 Days Later - Really? I'd love to hear your explanations for this one, as, not to put too fine a point on it, I know film scholars who disagree with you.<br />
:Resident Evil - If it was designed to stop infection spreading, RQ wouldn't have killed everyone in the entire base. Also you can't hear the zombies 'sneak up' on them in the underground walkway until they attack.<br />
:Day of The Dead - Exactly, you're outside, if survivors go outside in UD they get the information this gives for free, I have no problem, but the action of going outside costs AP. Also in Dawn they are on the other side of a hastily barricaded door in a mall and can't hear a thing....<br />
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:Barring us disagreeing on our definition of hastily, a fine reposte sir. Good to see that discussion is still alive.<br />
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28 days later is not a zombie film because.<br />
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* No one says zombie<br />
* Headshots are not required, see various machete attacks, land mines.<br />
* The infected are not dead. Otherwise why would they starve "to death".<br />
* Its a blood transmitted infection, and spit and vomit. Its seems strange to me that the blood of the infected would be so fresh. Are the hearts still pumping?<br />
* The zombie soldier was knocked out, before being tied up. Ever see a zombie knocked out?<br />
* Look at the corpses in the film. The heros parents, those in the cafe, nothing like the infected who barring their eyes, have a very alive appearance.<br />
* As the taxi driver is infected, he slowly looses control of his actions. Hes not alive, then dead and then back, its a gradual process as the virus takes over his body. <br />
* The infected dont consume flesh, they are only infected with rage, the need to infect others, there is no feeding dynamic. Biting is not key.<br />
* The animal welfare people seeing the monkeys believe them to be fine.<br />
* In the sequel theres a women who has the disease, but appears normal. How can she be dead? <br />
* The Infected? Does that imply dead? Or an active carrier?<br />
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Have a present. {{Template:Zombie Nazi}}<br />
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Now, you can argue its a very zombieish film. But its really a viral outbreak film like quatermass or outbreak. I love monkeys.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh and do you have the DVD? Look at the alternative storyboard ending. where cillian murphy undergoes a complete blood transfusion with the taxi driver to bring him bank and condemn cillian to the life of an infected. That shows he isnt dead. No dead = no zombie.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: I need to mention that actually, 28 Days Later (and the sequel, 28 Weeks Later) -are- zombie films .... but only in the same way that I am Legend is a zombie film. It's a 'hard science' version of the zombie film genre, where they are not actually referred to 'as' zombies and they don't share one Romero zombie similarity - ie, they are not dead. Hard Science Fiction tends to try to do things in a way which is scientifically still plausible - having the dead actually come back to life is not plausible in a realistic setting, but having a population being in a state that mimics a zombified state for all practical purposes IS plausible, hence hard science fiction. It's worth noting that real life cases of 'zombies' in the carribean are also not dead, but rather 'bereft of any will of their own'. But other than the not being dead part, the infected in 28 days later (and I am Legend, and The Omega Man) are zombies, and all three movies are still classified as zombie movies (even the authors of the books which those movies were based on stated that it fell into the zombie genre).--[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 18:15, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==REing==<br />
Hey. Listen. Next time the discussion gets moved to the talk page, can you just continue it there? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I was expanding my vote, as allowed, for when Kevan would ready that since unfortunately it's heading into PR. It wasn't really discussion, just an expansion and clarification of what I'd already said. But cheers for the multiple fixes. -- [[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] 20:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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<div>==[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr]] and [[Mall Tour 2009]] versus [[User:Sgt_Raiden]]==<br />
Given the incompetence of the sysop team in ruling a vandalism case correctly, St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr, and The Mall Tour 2009 seek to prevent the user known as Sgt Raiden from making any further edits on this wiki concerning the Mall Tour 2009. I will accept [[User:Johnny Bass]], [[User:Dr Cory Bjornson]] and [[User:Fifth Element]] as arbitrators. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Call me stupid, but aren't Johnny and Fifth Element both working with the Mall Tour, and since the Mall Tour is named in this case... {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::OK, you're stupid. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I am not part of this case. [[User:Wiki Martyr|Wiki Martyr]] 06:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:<small>[[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Arbitration#1st Chunk|Extraneous discussion moved to talk page]] -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 02:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)</small><br />
LOL, quite a case to bring against a wiki newbie... seeking to forbid them from commenting on one of the major current events in the game, and giving them a list of arbitrators to pick from, all of whom are Mall Tourists. Noice <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:12 15 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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::You could have handed out a warning and reverted the contentious edit, and all of this would have been avoided, the warning itself would have been struck before the end of the Mall Tour 2009 given his rate of contributions. However, you didn't, and stated clearly that it was a matter for arbitration. You're always going on about how I don't follow correct procedure, well I did what you told me to do.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:So much for the user who claims its the sysops fault that users are being driven away from the wiki. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 10:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I reject you as a potential arbitrator. According to your own badly crafted guidelines, please refrain from posting on the main page of this case again. Take it to the talk page, I'm sure someone will read what you have to say. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I offer to arbitrate. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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How about before this turns into a totally irrelevant and bitter flame war, someone gets Sgt. Raiden to actually respond and accept or reject this case?--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:He's been notified on his talk page already. (And I don't believe you can reject a case.) --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think thats actually ever been tried, however, i think that rejecting (or rather refusing to take part) would be a valid response given that arbitration is by definition a process involving 2 parties agreeing to accept the input of a nuetral 3rd! In any event he can just refuse all arbitration until the case collapses... It's a shit way to do it; and should not really be allowed; but it is a tried and tested way to fuck with the system!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::And while I understand all of that, what I was getting at is why don't we give him a decent chance to respond before this page turns into an all out war.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What are the edits which have brought this case forth? All I can see is someone posting POV stuff. While I'm sure that [[User:Sgt_Raiden|Sgt Raiden]] needs a lesson on keeping his posts in an netural POV on suburb pages and what not, I don't see any reason in his edits for an arbitration case, let alone you trying to resolve the issue by you talking to him. As of such, unless you give me a really good reason not to archive this case, this case will be removed within the next few days. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:37/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:<small>[[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Arbitration#2nd Chunk|Extraneous discussion moved to talk page]] -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 02:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)</small><br />
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Ok, ok! God, after pointless notifies i accept the ****ing case! God, I don't even want to post about Mall Tour 2009. THERE. ARE YOU SATISFIED??! MRH!!!!!!!<br />
--[[user:Sgt Raiden|Sgt Raiden]]<br />
:Sgt Raiden... You can come to an agreement and the Arby can be dropped... Just because it's started doesn't mean it has to keep going... But I'd assume Iscariot would have to trust you at your word... Try. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::What Wan said. Since all Iscariot really wants is you to stop posting about the mall tour, you can just agree to do that and this will hopefully go away. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps we don't want to just advise him to bow down to Iscariots blatant misuse of the Arbitration system.....--{{User:The General/sig}} 20:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Just archive it, nobody cares about this case. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 20:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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[[Category:Arbitration Cases]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Arbitration&diff=1367203UDWiki talk:Administration/Arbitration2009-01-19T23:40:53Z<p>Jedaz: /* Iscariot vs Sgt Raiden */</p>
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=General Discussion=<br />
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==Do you like prunes?==<br />
I don't. But I do like to prune things occasionally. So, I'm wondering if anyone will mind if I remove a few names off the arbitrator list. Not like some mass raepage, just people who haven't made more than an edit or two in the past month or so, and leaving a snippet about it on their talk. Then I'll maintain the list and go about this the same as described. Sound good? Questions, comments, concerns, screams for me not to do it?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 21:50, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:One edit in the past two months should be enough for a user to mantain its name in the list. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 21:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, that's fine. Other people have used similar edits previously. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 21:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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And done. I'll be checking back every month to maintain the list.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 20:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks SA. Someone had to do this :/. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Time limit on cases==<br />
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{{Quote|Krazy Monkey|Cases that have not been edited by either involved party for longer than 7 days or cases in which no arbitrator has yet been agreed upon after 7 days shall be archived.}}<br />
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Yeah, we need something like that, but isn't setting a limit on how long you have to choose an arbitrator a bit pedantic? On many cases it does take longer then that. What about after a week, something along the lines of "Choose an arbitrator now!" is said, and if no arbitrator is chosen within another week then, archived.<br />
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Secondly, I would rather there be fourteen days before any cases get archived (no edits,) but, meh. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:54, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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= Discussion of Arbitration Cases =<br />
==Iscariot vs Sgt Raiden==<br />
Discussion Move to [[UDWiki talk:Administration/Arbiration/St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr and Mall Tour 2009 versus User:Sgt Raiden|archive]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot_vs_Sgt_Raiden&diff=1367202UDWiki talk:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot vs Sgt Raiden2009-01-19T23:40:38Z<p>Jedaz: New page: ===1st Chunk=== <small>Moved from main page</small> :And there is no user named St. Iscariot. If there was we would permaban him as a sock puppet account made to mock...</p>
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:And there is no user named [[User:St. Iscariot|St. Iscariot]]. If there was we would permaban him as a sock puppet account made to mock. ... like you were.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Fixed in accordance with the users wishes. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FArbitration&diff=1363007&oldid=1363005 Iscariot], if you wish to take me to A/VB, feel free. I am not an alt and I am eager for you to make an arse of yourself. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 09:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Fiexed correctly, a user may be known as whatever they wish, see [[User:Krazy Monkey]], just because someone edits in bad faith does not limit their usage of a given moniker. You'll notice that I'm the only one that it links to as well. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::You can not call yourself Saint Iscariot any more than Sgt. Raiden could make a case against "Iscariot the Asshole that needs to shut the Fuck Up and give it a Rest". So, shut the fuck up and give it a rest.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC) <br />
::::Calling himself what he wants is very different from calling someone else an asshole. Cheese (aka [[User:Krazy Monkey]]) has been involved in a [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cheese vs DoctorRevive|couple]] of [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|cases]] as only “Cheese”, which is much further from his real username than St. Iscariot is from Iscariot's. Not to mention that there already exists a case involving a [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|St. Iscariot]]. So, why don't ''you'' give it a rest. Letting him call himself St. Iscariot isn't going to kill you. Or anyone else, for that matter. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 17:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::You might want to try making that point again when Iscariot is commonly referred to as whatever he is claiming as his titles. St. Iscariot makes sense, St. Iscariot Wiki Martyr Protector of the Consensus does not and only serves as some ridiculous claim to make himself, illigitimately seem more authoritative. Like when he claims he runs and is the voice of MallTour, he isn't.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Also, in the Archives, Cheese's first case does refer to him as Cheese AKA Krazy Monkey and Micheal Read is referred to as SexyLegsRead. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|Precedent]] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I r not newb. =/ Lrn to indent. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===2nd Chunk===<br />
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:Link(s) are in [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Sgt_Raiden|this vandalism case]]. It appears from that case that Raiden has been posting false information about the Mall Tour, and impersonating others while doing so. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I saw the vandalism case. However it looks like a newbie mistake. As for the "false information", in cases like these most people would change the edit in question and leave a comment on the users talk page about it. Anyway, by the looks of things he made the claims about Mall Tour attacking when you guys were only 1 suburb away, so it's understandable that he would have thought that you guys were attacking. If you are refering to something else then please point it out, but this is a very common newbie mistake. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:03/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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:The following is directed at Jedaz. Quoting from the Arbitration Guidelines ''"When two or more users don't agree on how a page should be edited, a case in arbitration should be created, so an outside and neutral person can help solve the conflict"''. The Mall Tour 2009 disagrees with the outright lies he is posting about our group, see [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Stickling_Mall&diff=prev&oldid=1359395 this edit]. I have access to all levels of the public and private Mall Tour boards and coded the entire Mall Tour 2009 pages. I announce the targets and decide where the Tour will progress to. He is lying about the Tour, and by the definition of the Arbitration Guidelines the two parties in this arbitration disagree with his edits; he believes he can make them, we dispute them. Therefore arbitration. Arbitration was also recommended by a current sysop on this wiki as a way to resolve the obvious differences. I reject any offer to arbitrate you may make , and so, following Arbitration Guidelines I invite you to confine your responses to the talk page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Considering you haven't even spoken to the other user, bar telling him to come here, I think you've misinterpreted Boxy's statement. Usually, a dispute as trivial as this can be solved by simply leaving a polite request on the user's talk page, ''especially'' in the case where the user is relatively new to the wiki. If they then continue to edit in the manner that aggrieves you, ''then'' you bring it here. Arbitration should be a last resort in an edit dispute where normal dialogue has failed, not the first. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 01:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::And I quote Boxy ''"As to him being annoying, that's a matter for arbies -- boxy talk • teh rulz 04:46 15 January 2009 (BST)"''. We find him annoying, hence arbies at Boxy's suggestion. That sentence is not open to interpretation. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::So your reason for arbitration is 1 edit? 1 edit which you did not even talk to the user about. Talk to him first and then you may have a case if you can't resolve the dispute, but until then you have nothing. Arbitration isn't designed to be the first place you take your issues, the other persons talk page is. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:12/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:::Now I know you aren't paying attention, you say one edit and at the same time that you've read the vandalism case, there are two distinct edits, even though the first one was removed he continued his behaviour. I'm not required to talk with a user first, unless you want to bring me a policy or statute that says otherwise. We at the Mall Tour have enough to do without reverting every single edit made by idiots. This will remove an idiot. This is what arbitration is for. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh really? I was sure it was for the settling of edit disputes. =O Wait...it is. ''This will remove an idiot. This is what arbitration is for.'' Is this an admittance that the case was created in bad faith, purely to drive a user from the wiki? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 01:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::Nice try Cheese, but don't try and put words into my mouth, this is about an edit conflict, what he may and may not post about my event. He believes he is allowed to post lies, we disagree. My personal opinion of the user does not change that. Also, if I'd wanted him gone from the game, this case wouldn't be here and he'd be on his way to leaving. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Ah yes, I forgot you were a letter of the rules type person. If you read the first paragraph of this page you will see that it says that "there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord", you have made no attempt to reach a solution. The basis of arbitration is to find a fair resolution for both parties who are unable to come to one on their own. So while it may not be written in stone, you are going against the spirit of what arbitration is all about by not trying to resolve your issue reasonably beforehand. Precedence has shown cases to be thrown out if the person who brought fourth the case did not try to resolve it prior to arbitration. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:32/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:::::You can try and rules lawyer me if you like, you'll lose. I will dispute that on grounds that page summaries are vague to conserve space, however the guidelines are clear that this case is valid and that their conciseness overrules the summary. Also recent precedent shows that your notion of cases being dismissed is fallacious. Enjoy. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::Actually if you knew me you'ld realize that I'm almost the complete opposite of a rules lawyer. But if you read the title it says "Guidelines for Arbitration '''Requests'''", so there is nothing saying that you have to get to the next phase of arbitration. Oh, and by the way, dismissal of cases is based on an arbitrators decision (of course with adequate time for discussion about it is my philosophy), so unless Sgt Raiden wants this to continue, or other members of the community think this case has merit, I will remove this. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:00/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::Actually if you knew me you'ld realize that I'm almost the complete opposite of a rules lawyer. But if you read the title it says "Guidelines for Arbitration '''Requests'''", so there is nothing saying that you have to get to the next phase of arbitration. Oh, and by the way, dismissal of cases is based on an arbitrators decision (of course with adequate time for discussion about it is my philosophy), so unless Sgt Raiden wants this to continue, or other members of the community think this case has merit, I will remove this. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:00/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::You're not hurting me by doing that, you're hurting him. Go for it, I'll seek satisfaction in other ways and you've just caused another newbie to leave the game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Translation: "If you don't let me abuse arbitration then I'll drive this user away from the game". How can you say these sorts of things and then accuse the sysops of drive users away from the wiki?--{{User:The General/sig}} 20:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration&diff=1367201UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration2009-01-19T23:39:32Z<p>Jedaz: /* St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr and Mall Tour 2009 versus User:Sgt_Raiden */ Archiving since a "resolution" has occured</p>
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While the wiki community attempts to work on the basis of encouragement and cooperation, there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord. In the event of this happening, the Arbitration Team may be called upon to intervene, and attempt to find a reasonable compromise that, while perhaps not satisfying both parties, may at least assist in defusing the situation, thanks to the unbiased third party.<br />
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=Guidelines for Arbitration Requests=<br />
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In assisting in Arbitration, we generally suggest that both parties agree to the Arbitration. This is not, by any means, a requirement, but we do require that both parties be represented in proceedings.<br />
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Any Arbitration request should provide at least the following:<br />
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* '''The aggrieved parties.''' Either person vs person, or [list of people] vs [list of people].<br />
* '''The reason for the arbitration.''' This should very specifically be without reference to people, as that information has already been provided. It should be a short paragraph indicating the causes of the aggrievement, and why both parties feel it requires arbitration<br />
* '''Any pages affected by the aggrievement.''' This should be a simple list of links. <br />
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Once the Arbitration commences, the Arbitrator will request statements from all parties involved. Any evidence to back up one's statement should be provided in link form. Each party will then have an opportunity to rebut their opponent's statement. After these two steps, the Arbitrator will then consider the case, and reach a conclusion, and determine the outcome that is required. It's the duty of the Arbitrator to move a case he accepted to a subpage of UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration, and to update the status of the arbitration case in the [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Arbitration_Cases_in_Progress|Arbitration Cases in Progress]] section.<br />
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As a note, by requesting an Arbitration, all parties are thus obliged to accept the outcome of the Arbitration. Not doing will be considered Vandalism, and such vandalism attempts will be treated as if the vandal has already received two warnings.<br />
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After the Arbitration is over, it will then be moved to an archive page. As publicly accessible pages, they may be used to establish precedent in further, applicable cases.<br />
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=Current Arbitrators=<br />
:''For guidelines on how to arbitrate, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration Guidelines|Arbitration Guidelines]].''<br />
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The following users have placed their hand up as users who are willing to be contacted to act as an Arbitrator. The role of Arbitrator is not restricted to the Administration Team; any user can be contacted as an Arbitrator and use this page for the arbitration, so long as both parties agree to the Arbitrator. Users who wish to place their hand up as an Arbitrator should place their name below on the list, using {{CodeInline|<nowiki>*{{usr|YourUserPage}}</nowiki>}}<br />
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Also note that not all listed Arbitrators are active on the Wiki.<br />
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*[[User:Axe Hack|Axe Hack]]<br />
*[[User:Blood Panther|Blood Panther]]<br />
*[[User:Boxy|boxy]]<br />
*[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]]<br />
*[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<br />
*[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]]<br />
*[[User:Drawde|Drawde]]<br />
*[[User: Gus Thomas|Gus Thomas]]<br />
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*[[User:Galaxy125|Galaxy125]]<br />
*[[User:hagnat|hagnat]]<br />
*[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]<br />
*[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]<br />
*[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]<br />
*[[User:J3D|J3D]]<br />
*[[User:Karek|Karek]]<br />
*[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]]<br />
*{{user|Labine50}}<br />
*{{user|Linkthewindow}}<br />
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*[[User:Sexylegsread|MichaelRead]]<br />
*[[user:Nubis|Nubis]]<br />
*[[User:Sergeant William Holt|Sergeant William Holt]]<br />
*[[User:SirArgo|SirArgo]]<br />
*[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]]<br />
*[[User:Suicidalangel|Suicidal Angel]]<br />
*[[User:The General|The General]]<br />
*[[User:Toejam|Toejam]]<br />
*[[User:Zombie slay3r|Z. slay3r]]<br />
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=Arbitration Cases Currently Under Consideration=<br />
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==Active cases==<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service vs Umbrella Corporation|Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service vs Umbrella Corporation]]===<br />
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users= [[Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service]], [[Umbrella Corporation]] |<br />
arbitrator= Cheese |<br />
created_at= 23:33, 9 January 2009 (UTC) |<br />
created_by= {{User:Haliman111/sig}} |<br />
status= Undefined |<br />
summary=An attempt to mediate the hostilies between UBCS and Umbrella as well as prepare a POV neutral war report page | <br />
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==Recently Concluded cases==<br />
''There are currently no recently concluded cases, see the [[:Category:Arbitration Cases|archives]] for older cases''<br />
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=Archives=<br />
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*[[:Category:Arbitration Cases|List of Arbitration Cases]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Category:Arbitration_Cases&diff=1367200Category:Arbitration Cases2009-01-19T23:39:25Z<p>Jedaz: /* 2009 */</p>
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List of [[A/A|Arbitration cases]] in chronological order.<br />
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:''Cases sorted by last status report.''<br />
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=2009=<br />
==Jan-Apr==<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbiration/St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr and Mall Tour 2009 versus User:Sgt_Raiden]] ===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr]] and [[Mall Tour 2009]] versus [[User:Sgt_Raiden]]|arbitrator=None|created_at=05:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)|created_by=[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]|status=Resolved through bullying|summary=Iscarot wanted Sgt Raiden to stop making any edits regarding the mall tour}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbiration/Iscariot vs. Hagnat|Iscariot vs. Hagnat]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] vs. [[User:Hagnat|Hagnat]]|arbitrator=None|created_at=03:16, 13 January 2009 (BST)|created_by=[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]|status=Removed by Hagnat|summary=Dispute over edits made to the [[A/M|Misconduct]] page by Hagnat.}}<br />
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=2008=<br />
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==Aug-Dec==<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St. Iscariot versus Boxy|St. Iscariot vs. Boxy]]===<br />
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users= {{usr|Iscariot}}, {{usr|Boxy}} |<br />
arbitrator= {{usr|WanYao}} |<br />
created_at= 04:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC) |<br />
created_by= [[User:WanYao|WanYao]] |<br />
status= Concluded. |<br />
summary= A dispute over the [[S.O.S]] page| <br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Kristi of the Dead vs Recruitment|Kristi of the Dead vs. Recruitment]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users= {{usr|Kristi of the Dead}}, [[Recruitment]] |<br />
arbitrator= undefined |<br />
created_at= 01:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |<br />
created_by= {{usr|Kristi of the Dead}} |<br />
status= Abandoned |<br />
summary= A dispute over the large groups rule of the recruitment page | <br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iggles vs. MartyBanks|Iggles vs. MartyBanks]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Iggles|Iggles]] vs. [[User:MartyBanks|MartyBanks]]|arbitrator=None|created_at=12:45, November 11, 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:Iggles|Iggles]]|status=Abandoned|summary=Dispute over content about Dunell Hill's history on the [[Dunell Hills]] page. Both sides claim POV edits by each other.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Conndraka_vs._St._Iscariot|Conndraka vs. St. Iscariot]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]] vs. [[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot]]|arbitrator=None|created_at=11:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)|created_by=[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]|status=Abandoned|summary=Conndraka wants Iscariot to remove the statement at the top of Iscariot's talk page, saying that sysops cannot post on said page, unless it is strictly an administrative manner.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|St. Iscariot vs. Cheese]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot]] vs. [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]|arbitrator=None|created_at=10:15, 30 September 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot]]|status=Abandoned|summary=Iscariot wants Cheese's ruling of [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm and the MOB versus Zeug and Extinction|this case]] overturned, stating that a breach in policy and procedure occurred.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/ShadowScope vs. Midianian|ShadowScope vs. Midianian]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]] vs. [[User:Midianian|Midianian]]|arbitrator=[[User:Zombie slay3r|Zs]]|created_at=16:16, 27 October 2008 (UTC)|created_by=[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]]|status=Finished.|summary=Dispute over whether or not [[Suggestion:20081022 Burnt out cars]] is a dupe.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Midianian vs. Karek|Midianian vs. Karek]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] vs. [[User:Karek|Karek]]|arbitrator=[[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]]|created_at=20:28, 21 October 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]|status=Done.|summary=Dispute over whether or not to use a template for rounded corners on certain protected pages.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot and The Order of Philosophe Knights versus Sarah Aline and The Upper Left Corner|Iscariot and The Order of Philosophe Knights versus Sarah Aline and The Upper Left Corner]]===<br />
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|users=[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] versus [[User:S Aline|Sarah Aline]]<br />
|arbitrator=[[User:J3D|J3D]]<br />
|created_at=17:38, 4 September 2008 (BST)<br />
|created_by=[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]<br />
|status=Dun.<br />
|summary=Dispute over the content of the [[Southall Mansion]] location page.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob240 vs 2 Cool|Cyberbob240 vs 2 Cool]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus<br />
|users=[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]] versus [[2 Cool]]<br />
|arbitrator=none<br />
|created_at=06:29, 11 October 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]]<br />
|status=Agreement reached without arbitration<br />
|summary=Conflict over a variety of 2 Cool project pages.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Umbrella_Biohazard_Countermeasure_Servive_vs._Umbrella|Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive vs. Umbrella]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus<br />
|users=[[User:Haliman111|Haliman]] versus [[User:MisterGame|MisterGame]]<br />
|arbitrator=[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]<br />
|created_at=23:22, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
|created_by=[[User:Haliman111|Haliman]]<br />
|status=Done<br />
|summary=A dispute over the ownership of the [[Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service]] page.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm and the MOB versus Zeug and Extinction|Jorm and the MOB versus Zeug and Extinction]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus<br />
|users=[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] versus [[User:Zeug|Zeug]]<br />
|arbitrator=[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]<br />
|created_at=21:32, 22 September 2008<br />
|created_by=[[User:Jorm|Jorm]]<br />
|status=Done.<br />
|summary=Jorm wants all references to the [[MOB]] removed from Zeug's [[United Zombies of Malton]] portal and from aforementioned portal's wiki page.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob240 vs Sexylegsread|Cyberbob240 vs Sexylegsread]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus<br />
|users=[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]] versus [[User:Sexylegsread|Sexylegsread]]<br />
|arbitrator=none<br />
|created_at=06:31, 27 September 2008|created_by=[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]]<br />
|status=Withdrawn<br />
|summary=Conflict of personalities that turned out to be a misunderstanding.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/WanYao_vs_White_Cell_Team_06|WanYao vs White Cell Team 06]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus<br />
|users=[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] versus [[White Cell Team 06]]<br />
|arbitrator=none<br />
|created_at=06:31, 27 September 2008|created_by=[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
|status=Withdrawn<br />
|summary=WCT06 claimed they were active in 36 or more suburbs. WanYao doubted this greatly.}}<br />
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==Apr-Jul==<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Finis Valorum vs. Saromu|Finis Valorum vs. Saromu]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus<br />
|users=[[User:Finis_Valorum|Finis Valorum]] versus [[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <br />
|arbitrator=[[User:Grim s|The Grimch]]<br />
|created_at=14:35, 31 May 2008<br />
|created_by=[[User:Finis_Valorum|Finis Valorum]]<br />
|status=Dropped<br />
|summary=An edit conflict on the [[The Northeastern War]] page.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka|Grimch vs. Conndraka]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus<br />
|users=[[User:Grim s|The Grimch]] versus [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<br />
|arbitrator=[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]<br />
|created_at=03:32, 29 May 2008|created_by=[[User:Grim s|The Grimch]]<br />
|status=Original ruling overturned and Grim dropped second part of the case.<br />
|summary=Grim wants the ruling Conndraka made against him removed and for Conndraka to cease ruling on adminitrative matters he brings.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/WanYao_vs._Capt_Schwartz|WanYao vs. Capt Schwartz]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus<br />
|users=[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] versus [[User:Capt Schwartz|Capt Schwartz]]<br />
|arbitrator=none<br />
|created_at=03:58, 24 June 2008 (BST)<br />
|created_by=[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
|status=Dismissed by WanYao<br />
|summary=A dispute over changes to [[Dunell Hills/Barricade Plan]].}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Sonny_versus_Alphy_and_Secruss|Sonny versus Alphy and Secruss]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus<br />
|users=[[User:Saromu|Sonny]] versus [[User:Alphy|Alphy]] and [[User:Secruss|Secruss]]<br />
|arbitrator=none|created_at=03:08, 18 June 2008|created_by=[[User:Saromu|Sonny]]<br />
|status=Dismissed by Sonny<br />
|summary=Sonny sought out the deletion of images about him uploaded by Alphy and Secruss.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Ioncannon11 versus boxy, Saromu and cyberbob|Ioncannon11 versus Boxy, Saromu and Cyberbob]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus<br />
|users=[[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] versus [[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]], [[User:Boxy|Boxy]] & [[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] <br />
|arbitrator=[[User:J3D|J3D]]|created_at=14:10, 1 June 2008<br />
|created_by=[[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]]<br />
|status=Concluded<br />
|summary=An edit conflict on the assorted suburb pages.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/J3D vs Finis Valorum|J3D vs Finis Valorum]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:J3D|J3D]] & [[User:Finis Valorum|Finis Valorum]]|arbitrator=[[User:Zombie slay3r|Zombie slay3r]]|created_at=14:01, 23 May 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:J3D|J3D]]|status=Ruling has been accepted.|summary=An edit war on the [[Santlerville]] page.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Sonny Corleone and Vandr versus Ioncannon11 and Kikashie|Sonny Corleone and Vandr versus Ioncannon11 and Kikashie]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] and [[User:Vandr|Vandr]] versus [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] and [[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]]|arbitrator=--{{User:Akule/sig}}|created_at=04:38, 29 May 2008|created_by=[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] and [[User:Vandr|Vandr]]|status=Ruled on 21:23, 15 June 2008 (BST). Sonny, Vandr, and Kikashie accepted ruling, Ion never participated.|summary=An edit war on the [[Invasion of Gibsonton]] page.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cheese vs DoctorRevive|Cheese (aka KrazyMonkey) vs DoctorRevive]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Krazy Monkey}}, {{usr|DoctorRevive}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Axe Hack}}|<br />
created_at=22:07, 21 May 2008 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Krazy Monkey}}|<br />
status=Ruled on at 19:50, 28 May 2008 (BST). Both users had accepted the ruling.|<br />
summary=An edit war on the [[Giddings Mall]] page.|<br />
}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob240 vs TerminalFailure|Cyberbob240 vs TerminalFailure]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Cyberbob240}}, {{usr|TerminalFailure}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Akule}}|<br />
created_at=17:11, 30 March 2008 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
status=Closed without conclusion due to Terminal's [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:TerminalFailure|unexpected break]]. We'll reopen it if needed when he returns. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 01:15, 9 April 2008 (BST)|<br />
summary=Cyberbob240 seeks to get TerminalFailure to ident his replies properly.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/TerminalFailure vs AnimeSucks and Saromu|TerminalFailure vs AnimeSucks and Saromu]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|TerminalFailure}}, {{usr|AnimeSucks}}, {{usr|Saromu}} |<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Thekooks}}|<br />
created_at=15:41, 30 March 2008 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|TerminalFailure}}|<br />
status=Waiting verdict by kooks|<br />
summary=TerminalFailure seeks to get a fairer ruling for [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Sonny_Corleone_vs_TerminalFailure|Sonny Corleone vs. TerminalFailure]], as he believe the arbitrator of that case, AnimeSucks, was biased towards Saromu.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Jan-Mar==<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Thekooks vs WanYao|Thekooks vs WanYao]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Thekooks}}, {{usr|WanYao}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Karek}}|<br />
created_at=22:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Thekooks}}|<br />
status=Ruled on 20:52, 31 March 2008 (BST). Waiting for users to accept the ruling.|<br />
summary=A dispute over removal of POV items from suburb pages|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Airborne88 vs TerminalFailure|Airborne88 vs TerminalFailure]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Airborne88}}, {{usr|TerminalFailure}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=21:12, 30 March 2008 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Airborne88}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 00:19, 31 March 2008 (BST) as both users solved this case outside of arbitration|<br />
summary=A conflict between the two named users|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot vs Seventythree|Iscariot vs Seventythree]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Iscariot}}, {{usr|Seventythree}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=17:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Iscariot}}|<br />
status=Dismissed|<br />
summary=A dispute over 73's closure of the case below|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Happykook vs Iscariot|Happykook vs Iscariot]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Happykook}}, {{usr|Iscariot}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Seventythree}}|<br />
created_at=23:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Happykook}}|<br />
status=Closed - Happykook has withdrawn his claim and left the wiki/game|<br />
summary=Seeing as Happykook has left, and asked for the case to be closed twice, I am officialy decaring this case closed, unresolved. Seeing as there was no real point made or challenged, apart from HappyKook leaving, I'm not making a ruling.| <br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Sonny_Corleone_vs_TerminalFailure|Sonny Corleone vs. TerminalFailure]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Saromu}} (Sonny Corleone), {{usr|TerminalFailure}}|<br />
arbitrator=[[User:AnimeSucks|Anime Sucks]]|<br />
created_at=21:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Saromu|Sonny Corleone}} (Sonny Corleone)|<br />
status=Concluded --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 04:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Sonny felt unjustly treated by TermainalFailure and presented evidence of libel. TermainalFailure failed to provide real evidence to back his claims of Sonny Zerging and was ordered to issue an apology to which he has refused. Both parties are forbidden from interacting with each other.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Finis Valorum vs J3D|Finis Valorum vs. Jed]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Finis Valorum}}, {{usr|J3D}}|<br />
arbitrator=[[User:Krazy Monkey|Krazy Monkey]]|<br />
created_at=12:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Finis Valorum}}|<br />
status=Ruled on and terms carried out.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=A conflict of POV vs NPOV over Dakerstown suburb news.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Karek vs. Nallan and J3d|Karek vs. Nick & Jed]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Karek}}, {{usr|Nallan}}, {{usr|J3D}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Seventythree}}|<br />
created_at=08:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Karek}}|<br />
status=Ruled on and terms carried out.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=A dispute over what is appropriate for location pages.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Pdeq vs Funt Solo|Pdeq vs Funt Solo]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Pdeq}}, {{usr|Funt Solo}}|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=00:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Pdeq}}|<br />
status=closed by mutual agreement of both parties prior to an arbitrator being chosen|<br />
summary=A conflict over the validity of duping [[Suggestion:20080305 Opening Doors From the Inside|this suggestion]]|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Krazy Monkey vs User:Finis Valorum|Krazy Monkey vs Finis Valorum]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Finis Valorum}}, {{usr|Krazy Monkey}}|<br />
arbitrator=[[User:Karek|Karek]]|<br />
created_at=10:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Krazy Monkey}}|<br />
status=Ruled --<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 23:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=A dispute over the Sacred Ground Policy Breakers page<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Boxy vs. Jack's Cold Sweat and Chimera|Boxy vs. Jack's Cold Sweat and Chimera]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|boxy}}, {{usr|Jack's Cold Sweat}}, {{usr|Chimera}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Iscariot}}|<br />
created_at=02:27 22 January 2008 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|boxy}}|<br />
status=Withdrawn 12:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=A dispute about editing rights on the [[BRRC]] page.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Lh778 vs Finis Valorum|Lh778 vs Finis Valorum]] ===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Lh778}}, {{usr|Finis Valorum}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}|<br />
created_at=14:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Lh778}}|<br />
status=Dismissed in 21:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=A request for Finis to reply to a comment made by Lh778|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob vs Nalikill|Cyberbob vs. Nalikill]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Cyberbob240}}, {{usr|Nalikill}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Seventythree}}|<br />
created_at=05:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 13:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Nalikill was found to have conducted the arbitration case incorrectly, and was asked to refrain from acting as arbiter for two weeks to give him time to learn how to arbitrate correctly from reading the guidelines and familiarising himself with previous cases. Following some concerns of Nalikill's Cyberbob was asked to refrain from placing any direct insults on Nalikill's talkpage for a period of four months. The ruling for the case that Nalikill arbitrated was overturned and declared non-binding.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grim s vs Blood Panther|The Grimch vs. BP]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Grim s}}, {{usr|Blood Panther}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|boxy}}|<br />
created_at=05:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Grim s}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 03:29 23 January 2008 (BST)|<br />
summary=A dispute over BP's movement of one of Grim's votes on a suggestion|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jack's Cold Sweat vs TZH|Jack's Cold Sweat Vs. TZH]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Jack's Cold Sweat}}, [[TZH]]|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Nalikill}}|<br />
created_at=22:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Jack's Cold Sweat}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 00:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=A dispute over whether TZH should be labelled as a hostile group|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jon Pyre vs Grim S|Jon Pyre vs Grim S]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Jon Pyre}}, {{usr|Grim s}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=17:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Jon Pyre}}|<br />
status=Case dismissed at 11:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=A dispute over Grim's removal of Jon Pyre's suggestions|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=2007=<br />
<br />
==Oct-Dec==<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob240 vs Ashley Valentine|Cyberbob vs Ashley Valentine]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Cyberbob240}}, {{usr|Ashley Valentine}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Karek}}|<br />
created_at=05:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 17:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Blood Panther vs Treviabot92|Blood Panther vs Treviabot92]] ===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Blood Panther}}, {{usr|Treviabot92}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Seventythree}}|<br />
created_at=17:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Blood Panther}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 12:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Viva La Revolucion vs Darkmagic|Viva La Revolucion vs. Darkmagic]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=[[Viva La Revolucion]], {{usr|Darkmagic}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Seventythree}}|<br />
created_at=09:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Prisonner of Today}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 00:58, 1 December 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Max Grivas and Grim s vs Akule|Max Grivas and Grim s vs Akule]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Max Grivas}}, {{usr|Grim s}}, {{usr|Akule}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Conndraka}}|<br />
created_at=12:41, 12 September 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Max Grivas}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 01:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Karek vs Sockem (2)|Karek vs Sockem]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Karek}}, {{usr|Sockem}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
created_at=07:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Karek}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 07:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Karek vs Sockem|Karek vs Sockem]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Karek}}, {{usr|Sockem}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=02:43, 15 November 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Karek}}|<br />
status=dismissed at 22:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Jul-Sep==<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Nalikill vs Saromu|Nalikill vs Saromu]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Nalikill}}, {{usr|Saromu}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=00:02, 17 September 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Nalikill}}|<br />
status=dismissed at 10:49 17 September 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Stuartbman vs The General|Stuarbman vs The General]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Stuartbman}}, {{usr|The General}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Jedaz}}|<br />
created_at=00:51, 11 September 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Stuartbman}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 09:14, 13 September 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob240 vs Matthewfahrenheit|Cyberbob240 vs Matthewfahrenheit]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Cyberbob240}}, {{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=07:37, 30 August 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
status=dismissed|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Nalikill vs Grim s|Nalikill vs Grim s]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Nalikill}}, {{usr|Grim s}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Saromu}}|<br />
created_at=21:13, 24 August 2007 (BST) |<br />
created_by={{usr|Nalikill}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 22:23, 24 August 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Stuartbman vs Darkmagic|Stuartbman vs Darkmagic]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Stuartbman}}, {{usr|Darkmagic}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|boxy}}|<br />
created_at=09:59, 27 June 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Stuartbman}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 04:22, 19 July 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Apr-Jun==<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Blood Panther vs Donathin|Blood Panther vs Donathin]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Blood Panther}}, {{usr|Donathin}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=07:21, 27 June 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Blood Panther}}|<br />
status=dismissed at 09:31, 28 June 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Labine50 vs SooP|Labine50 vs SooP]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Labine50}}, {{usr|SooP}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=02:43, 21 June 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Labine50}}|<br />
status=dismissed and dealt in [[A/VB]]|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Militant Order of Barhah vs Malton Mob|Militant Order of Barhah vs Malton Mob]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=[[Malton Mob]], [[Militant Order of Barhah]]|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|hagnat}}|<br />
created_at=23:44, 8 June 2007 (GMT)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Seloth}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 03:25, 15 June 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Dispute over the [[MOB]] redirect page.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/SgtBop vs Evildemon989|SgtBop vs Evildemon989]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|SgtBop}}, {{usr|Evildemon989}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=07:45, 5 June 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|SgtBop}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 09:04, 5 June 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Axe27 vs Bagel7|Axe27 vs Bagel7]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Axe27}}, {{usr|Bagel7}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=20:47, 12 May 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Axe27}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 09:41, 21 May 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Mark D. Stroyer vs Gage|Mark D. Stroyer vs Gage]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Mark D. Stroyer}}, {{usr|Gage}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Thari}}|<br />
created_at=00:03, 12 April 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Mark D. Stroyer}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 05:34, 17 April 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Jan-Mar==<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Creedy Defence Force vs Angels of Mercy|Creedy Defence Force vs Angels of Mercy]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=[[Angels of Mercy]], [[Creedy Defense Force]]|<br />
arbitrator=?|<br />
created_at=00:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|boxy}}|<br />
status=?|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Xoid and Cyberbob240 vs Hagnat|Xoid and Cyberbob240 vs Hagnat]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Xoid}}, {{usr|Cyberbob240}}, {{usr|hagnat}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Thari}}|<br />
created_at=13:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Xoid}}|<br />
status=Dismissed in favor of {{usr|Xoid}} and {{usr|Cyberbob240}}, at 03:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Matthewfarenheit vs Saromu|Matthewfarenheit vs Saromu]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}, {{usr|Saromu}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}|<br />
created_at=02:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 20:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Hagnat vs The General|Hagnat vs The General]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|hagnat}}, {{usr|The General}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}|<br />
created_at=21:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|hagnat}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 02:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=A debate to decide if the arbitration case [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The_General_vs_Terminator_484|The General vs Terminator 484]] should be archived or not, as more than four weeks passed since the last edit was made in said case. The arbitrator ruled that the case should be moved to the archive.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The General vs Terminator 484|The General vs Terminator 484]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|The General}}, {{usr|Terminator 484}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|The General}}|<br />
created_at=08:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|The General}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 02:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Matthewfahrenheit vs Cyberbob240|Matthewfahrenheit vs Cyberbob240]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}, {{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Gage}}|<br />
created_at=09:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 03:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=2006=<br />
<br />
==Oct-Dec==<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/TheUncleBob vs Angels of Mercy|TheUncleBob vs Angels of Mercy]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|TheUncleBob}}, [[Angels of Mercy]]|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Gage}}|<br />
created_at=02:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|TheUncleBob}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 02:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Gage vs DarkStar2374383 (2)|Gage vs DarkStar2374383 (2)]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Gage}}, {{usr|DarkStar2374383}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Absolution}}|<br />
created_at=02:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Gage}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 05:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Gage vs DarkStar2374383|Gage vs DarkStar2374383]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Gage}}, {{usr|DarkStar2374383}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
created_at=09:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Gage}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 10:09, 12 November 2006 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Elias Taylor vs Crabappleslegalteam|Elias Taylor vs Crabappleslegalteam]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Elias Taylor}}, {{usr|Crabappleslegalteam}}|<br />
arbitrator=?|<br />
created_at=11:14, 2 November 2006 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Elias Taylor}}|<br />
status=?|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Jul-Sep==<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Scinfaxi vs jjames|Scinfaxi vs jjames]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Scinfaxi}}, {{usr|jjames}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=19:59, 27 September 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Scinfaxi}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 07:35, 14 October 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/DHPD vs Maxwell Hammer|DHPD vs Maxwell Hammer]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Conndraka}}, [[DHPD]], {{usr|Maxwell Hammer}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Mia Kristos}}|<br />
created_at=07:53, 14 October 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Conndraka}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 22:49, 16 October 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob240 vs Gold Blade|Cyberbob240 vs Gold Blade]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Scinfaxi vs jjames (2)|Scinfaxi vs jjames (2)]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jjames vs 1 4 of CDF|Jjames vs 1 4 of CDF]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jjames vs Zod Rhombus|Jjames vs Zod Rhombus]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The General vs Jjames|The General vs Jjames]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The General vs The Apocalypse Horde|The General vs The Apocalypse Horde]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Fuster vs Gage|Fuster vs Gage]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Matthewfarenheit vs Cyberbob240|Matthewfarenheit vs Cyberbob240]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Banana Bear4 vs Legend X|Banana Bear4 vs Legend X]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Labine50 vs LCpl Mendoza|Labine50 vs LCpl Mendoza]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jjames vs Karlsbad|Jjames vs Karlsbad]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Banana Bear4 vs Legend X (2)|Banana Bear4 vs. Legend X (2)]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Xoid vs Operation White Storm and Operation Black Storm|Xoid vs Operation White Storm and Operation Black Storm]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jjames vs Karlsbad (2)|Jjames vs Karlsbad (2)]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Bob Hammero vs God|Bob Hammero vs God]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/MrAushvitz vs Gage|MrAushvitz vs Gage]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/RCDC vs. Newgrounds|RCDC vs. Newgrounds]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The Fifth Horseman vs Akule|The Fifth Horseman vs Akule]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Koppie vs Saromu|Koppie vs Saromu]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Sonny Corleone vs Bonefiver|Sonny Corleone vs Bonefiver]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/BananaBear vs Legend X|BananaBear vs Legend X]]===<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Duce Nauks vs Certified=Insane|Duce Nauks vs Certified=Insane]]===<br />
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[[Category:Administration pages]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot_vs_Sgt_Raiden&diff=1367199UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot vs Sgt Raiden2009-01-19T23:39:20Z<p>Jedaz: New page: ==St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr and Mall Tour 2009 versus User:Sgt_Raiden== Given the incompetence of the sysop team in ruling a vandalism case correctly, St. Iscario...</p>
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<div>==[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr]] and [[Mall Tour 2009]] versus [[User:Sgt_Raiden]]==<br />
Given the incompetence of the sysop team in ruling a vandalism case correctly, St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr, and The Mall Tour 2009 seek to prevent the user known as Sgt Raiden from making any further edits on this wiki concerning the Mall Tour 2009. I will accept [[User:Johnny Bass]], [[User:Dr Cory Bjornson]] and [[User:Fifth Element]] as arbitrators. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Call me stupid, but aren't Johnny and Fifth Element both working with the Mall Tour, and since the Mall Tour is named in this case... {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::OK, you're stupid. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I am not part of this case. [[User:Wiki Martyr|Wiki Martyr]] 06:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:<small>[[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Arbitration#1st Chunk|Extraneous discussion moved to talk page]] -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 02:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)</small><br />
LOL, quite a case to bring against a wiki newbie... seeking to forbid them from commenting on one of the major current events in the game, and giving them a list of arbitrators to pick from, all of whom are Mall Tourists. Noice <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:12 15 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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::You could have handed out a warning and reverted the contentious edit, and all of this would have been avoided, the warning itself would have been struck before the end of the Mall Tour 2009 given his rate of contributions. However, you didn't, and stated clearly that it was a matter for arbitration. You're always going on about how I don't follow correct procedure, well I did what you told me to do.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:So much for the user who claims its the sysops fault that users are being driven away from the wiki. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 10:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I reject you as a potential arbitrator. According to your own badly crafted guidelines, please refrain from posting on the main page of this case again. Take it to the talk page, I'm sure someone will read what you have to say. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I offer to arbitrate. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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How about before this turns into a totally irrelevant and bitter flame war, someone gets Sgt. Raiden to actually respond and accept or reject this case?--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:He's been notified on his talk page already. (And I don't believe you can reject a case.) --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think thats actually ever been tried, however, i think that rejecting (or rather refusing to take part) would be a valid response given that arbitration is by definition a process involving 2 parties agreeing to accept the input of a nuetral 3rd! In any event he can just refuse all arbitration until the case collapses... It's a shit way to do it; and should not really be allowed; but it is a tried and tested way to fuck with the system!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::And while I understand all of that, what I was getting at is why don't we give him a decent chance to respond before this page turns into an all out war.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What are the edits which have brought this case forth? All I can see is someone posting POV stuff. While I'm sure that [[User:Sgt_Raiden|Sgt Raiden]] needs a lesson on keeping his posts in an netural POV on suburb pages and what not, I don't see any reason in his edits for an arbitration case, let alone you trying to resolve the issue by you talking to him. As of such, unless you give me a really good reason not to archive this case, this case will be removed within the next few days. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:37/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:<small>[[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Arbitration#2nd Chunk|Extraneous discussion moved to talk page]] -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 02:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)</small><br />
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Ok, ok! God, after pointless notifies i accept the ****ing case! God, I don't even want to post about Mall Tour 2009. THERE. ARE YOU SATISFIED??! MRH!!!!!!!<br />
--[[user:Sgt Raiden|Sgt Raiden]]<br />
:Sgt Raiden... You can come to an agreement and the Arby can be dropped... Just because it's started doesn't mean it has to keep going... But I'd assume Iscariot would have to trust you at your word... Try. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::What Wan said. Since all Iscariot really wants is you to stop posting about the mall tour, you can just agree to do that and this will hopefully go away. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps we don't want to just advise him to bow down to Iscariots blatant misuse of the Arbitration system.....--{{User:The General/sig}} 20:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Just archive it, nobody cares about this case. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 20:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=BRA!NZ&diff=1366564BRA!NZ2009-01-19T02:45:13Z<p>Jedaz: </p>
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<div>The phrase "BRA!NZ" is a common replacement for the word "brains" used by Zombies. The phrase BRA!NZ originally occurred due to the [[Zombie_Speech_Translators#How_Urban_Dead_processes_Zombie_speech|restrictions]] which [[death rattle]] placed upon a Zombies ability to speak.<br />
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[[Category:Glossary]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=BRA!NZ&diff=1366563BRA!NZ2009-01-19T02:44:24Z<p>Jedaz: </p>
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<div>The phrase "BRA!NZ" is a common replacement for the word "brains" used by Zombies. The phrase BRA!NZ originally occured due to the [[Zombie_Speech_Translators#How_Urban_Dead_processes_Zombie_speech|restrictions]] which [[death rattle]] placed upon a Zombies ability to speak.<br />
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[[Category:Glossary]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive/2011_06&diff=1366559UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive/2011 062009-01-19T02:37:36Z<p>Jedaz: /* :Image:Cyberfag and rackoon.jpg */</p>
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===[[:Image:Cyberfag and rackoon.jpg]]===<br />
Speaking of attack images... I just noticed this little gem. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 17:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Delete''' --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 17:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - lol. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah, figured you might swing that way. Good to see that skim of sophistication you've been so desperately trying to build up since your demotion is indeed a sham after all. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 01:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Delete''' - Wow. Also, its been up for [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASexylegsread&diff=1304107&oldid=1302082 months] and you just noticed, haha [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 00:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:I'm not really that interested in keeping tabs on people. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 01:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:Why? This is about as blatant as it gets, and I see you voted delete on the other attack image below. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 01:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' -- Really?--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:What do you mean? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 01:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Speedy Delete''' - Obvious attack image. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:37/19/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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=== Umbrella Zerg ===<br />
[[Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service/Umbrella/Zerg]]<br />
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This contributes nothing more then malicious text. I wouldn't know the exact policy or guideline but this does not belong on the wiki.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 20:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC) <br />
:<small>[[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Deletions#Umbrella_Zerg_Discussion|Extraneous discussion moved to talk page]] -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)</small><br />
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*'''Keep''' - Interesting.--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 21:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*<s>'''Delete''' - Little more than a barely concealed attempt to provoke the other side to edit the page and get taken to [[A/VB]] -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)</s> '''Keep''' - Meh. The other guys have done the same. Let them have it. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
**<small>[[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Deletions#Cheese.27s_vote_discussion|Extraneous discussion moved to talk page]] -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)</small><br />
*'''Keep''' - Viable info. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 21:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Delete'''--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 21:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - Jackson threatened to put up zerg-related info about UBCS first anyway.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 22:11, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*<s>'''Keep''' - Umbrella threatened to do the same. I also don't buy into this whole "page created only to provoke the other side into vandalizing it" conspiracy.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 22:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
:*'''Delete''' - Now that the other page is gone, I say that this one gets deleted as well to avoid future fighting between the Umbrellas.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 09:07, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - Group subpage, they can say what they want in it. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 22:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - Group subpage --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - Group subpage, It's their property.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 22:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*<s>'''Keep''' - but only just. It's a group subpage, but it is bordering on trolling to make A/VB cases. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
**'''Delete''' - As Argo. Move it off-site if you want the data kept. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' -This is a group sub page, you can write whatever you want about other groups on your own group pages and they can do nothing to stop you short of arbitration. The A/VB case in question was simple and ruled incorrectly, flame/A/VB bait or not, this group is entitled to have this page and deserves the protection afforded to all other group pages. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:06, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - or we'd have to get rid of classic pages like [[User:DanceDanceRevolution/Fenis|this one]].--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:Kay, I get how this works. Will put a similar page up by tomorrow, no worries.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*::Kthzbye. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:::Done. Jackson's old report back up. Long live the freedom of speech.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*::::When will you understand that my report is an actual report, while yours is just circumstantial evidence and personal assaults with fake ass chats and shopped shots. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' Our page, our space. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 23:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Delete'''That proves that it was created by the UBCS to discredit and to be used as a weapon against umbrella! I hope you know Lithedarkangel's comment will be exploited as the defence!--[[User:Beau Dece|Beau Dece]] 00:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*: Then Haliman's vote also shows the same... >_> --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 00:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:: More to use! This can be handy for my STARS problem! {{Unsigned|Beau Dece}}<br />
*::: Beau, the creator has a right to vote on this page. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 00:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*<s>'''Keep''' - Its obvious that it is a POV page and does not violate any terms, though it may be full of half-truths it should be respected like OUR PAGES should be respected in the same way.</s> If Haliman can sport his page of half-truths then Umbrella Corporation should be able to display a page full of facts created by Haliman himself.--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 01:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:'''DELETE''' - No viable "keep" option granted to for the Umbrella Report.--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 23:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - it's in the groupspace, it's relevant information, even if the level of "proof" leaves a lot to be desired <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:14 12 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
*'''Keep''' - POV, unfortunately. --[[User:Skouth|Skouth]] 06:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Redundant Keep is Redundant''' --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 12:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep'''. It's in their groupspace; it's part of their raison d'etre, not just random drivel. They're allowed POV. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 12:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - Group Subpage, POV. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:46, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - Group subpage. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 16:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Kepp''' - I'm starting to enjoy the talk page it has where i can post proof of his team zerging --[[User:Colonel Krauser|Colonel Krauser]] 04:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' I hate both these fucking groups.----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 18:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - Propaganda is acceptable. However, you wankers need to grow the fuck up. All of you. FAST. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 09:11, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Delete''' - As a firm loyalist to Umbrella, I believe it's too much drivel. [[User:Nemesis645|Nemesis645]] 08:24, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - It's nothing more than group propaganda, offensive or not, true or not.[[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 00:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Requesting deletion for the following pages, as they no longer have use (a new protection archive was created)<br />
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* [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections/Archive2005]]<br />
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Any links to these pages should be changed to their new locations, whenever possible. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 02:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*<s>'''Delete''' - Two weeks is more then enough time to sort out the archives (hence why it's not a speedy.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
**Hmm... on second thought, a lot of pages link to those pages, a lot (naturally,) protected. Why not just leave them as a disambiguation? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - The new system sucks and will be scrapped for a modified version of the old system which currently has more functionality. Any protect page with {{tl|Protect}} will show you as much. There should have been discussion on this before the change was done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - New, bad. Old, good. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:07, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep'''; having redundant systems can't hurt. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 15:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===[[:Image:Amberwaves.jpeg]]===<br />
Crit 2 I guess. All in all, just another rather pathetic attempt by the TZH to trump someone they don't like.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 20:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC) <br />
:Not deleted. Image is in use. --– TANK! Nubis 21:48, 6 January 2009 (UTC) <br />
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<sub>From [[UDWiki:Administration/Speedy_Deletions#Image:Amberwaves.jpeg|A/SD]].</sub><br />
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#'''Delete''' - Because I wanted to sign. At the top. Because I'm cool.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 21:50, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - As Suicidalangel. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - Because I don't have to give a reason, hmmmm, I wonder if we can meatpuppet through everything of TZH while we're at it? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:46, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:Why should we meatpuppet? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:52, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::Meatpuppeting is the use of many users that have the same opinion to force through something that would not normally pass a vote if it was not the subject of their group opinion. It should not be confused with sockpuppetry where one or few users create multiple 'sock puppet' alts to subvert the community consensus. Sockpuppeting is illegal on this wiki, meatpuppeting is not. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:::I see. What I don't understand is, are we ''meatpuppetting'' now? --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 18:53, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Baleet''' - Yup. Meatpuppeting is awesome. Especially when you're running for sysop and users from Brainstock who never use the wiki are told to go on and vote against you en masse. That's awesome. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 19:26, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - As SA, and especially Iscariot! {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 19:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - As Iscariot. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:47, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' unless you argue its a scheduled deletion under 22 July 2008 vote. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:'''No, it isn't scheduled.''' Attack images and pages were both up for votes and only pages passed. Images didn't get enough votes.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 18:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - Ew. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Insta-remove''' - Thats a personal attack image--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 21:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - No speedy crit, unfortunately. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Keep''' Not porn, not copyrighted, and in use. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 23:09, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - Worthless shite. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 23:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Töten Sie es mit Feuer!!''' - Für große Gerechtigkeit! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:Sie sprechen deutsch?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 23:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::Or for those of us who can't speak German; {{CodeInline|Kill it with fire!! - For large justice}}. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:23, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:::Große in this context means great. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:26, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::::Großartig can also mean great. Haven't seen it used like that in a while though.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 23:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Keep''' - has potential... but meh, i dont see a chance of this image being kept after this round of ''delete''s --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 00:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:Potential? For what? To waste space and attack another user? Haggie, are you telling us that you whole-heartedly support the use of attack images? Okay everyone, flood the wiki with useless images! :)...:/ If they want to use these images, they should host them at an external image hosting site, then link to it. Stupid shit like this doesn't need to take up space on the wiki.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 02:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::Precedent says attack images when posted on group space aren't deleted. If you want to talk about useless things on the wiki I would say more than half the templates (especially ones like the mess you have on your page) should be deleted. And as for your idea that an image should be on more than one page to be "in use" is ridiculous. Are you going to put Image:Engel.jpg up for deletion? --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:::Precedent isn't law. Just thought I'd remind you that. Now, onto the rest of it. First, it's on his own talk page, not a group whatsoever. Sure, it's his space, but hell, that doesn't mean its completely exempt from being brought into a more respectable form. And if you feel those templates should be deleted, then put them up for it. I didn't make many, if any at all, of the templates, it doesn't concern me much. And as for your whole "user pic on one page" thing, there's a difference. User pictures are generally exempt from image deletion unless by author request, or its no longer in use. That, and the fact that an image representation of a users character normally ''doesn't attack another user in such a poor and shitty manner''. But whatever. Attack images are a-okay, right Nubis? And I guess I ''should'' start a frivolous deletions case that I'm just going to vote keep on, because apparently I ''should'' think an image representation of one of my characters, just because it's only used in one place, should also be treated like an attack image that's only used in one place, huh?. Also, Hags, I figured the potential bit was just a joke. But just because you're guilty of a crime once, doesn't mean you should let it happen later, nor should you let more of a crime happen just because your ''friends'' get away with it. That's not how you should be doing your job. You should know that.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 00:01, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::::You should stop foaming at the mouth for a moment and think about this. This is a game based on rivalry. Zeds VS Humans. PKers VS Everyone, etc. You are going to have "My team RULZ UR team SUX" type of propaganda everywhere. Otherwise, it wouldn't be much fun if everyone got along in a big old love in. So, yes, I do think "attack images" that aren't porn are ok. It isn't like the image says "This is Amberwaves and he lives at 123 Fake St." It isn't even a real picture of that user. It isn't being spammed on that Amber's page or groups that Amber belongs to. It is one fucking image in an old post of a goddamn talk page. I am sick of people (that aren't even involved) trying to dictate what the moral standards of the wiki should be. Attack PAGES are deleted. Attack IMAGES are not. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:35, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:::::Foaming? Not yet. :). Honestly, I understand what you're saying. Sure, it's not porn. Sure, he's not spamming it. But the thing is, it's still , as you even said, and old ass image in an old ass talk page comment, that won't ever be used again (unless it's by someone who has seen this case, as it'll probably remind people about it. Not like anyone would use it then anyway). I will reiterate my point. Its an old, USELESS image, that Dhavid Grohl probably doesn't remember he even uploaded. And I wasn't trying to dictate the moral standards of the wiki from the start. I wanted an old useless barely used image gone. I'm not calling for a scouring of the wiki for all attack images. I'm not even saying I don't want them on here at all. But for the ones that aren't going to ever get any real use, or even remebered months later, then hell, just put it on Imageshack. Quit wasting our space. Thats not asking for much right?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 21:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::::::It is being used and it is part of his page's history. If he comes along and archives his page and removes the image then eventually it will be deleted as unused. But until then for whatever reason he has chosen to have that image on there and we should not remove an image that isn't porn and is still in use. He is still active on the wiki, too. Your argument that it is old doesn't work because we keep old images (check out any historical page or archived page). Your argument that it isn't in use is clearly wrong. And letting "you" decide what images are appropriate goes against the voted policy that says '''sysops''' are responsible for removing images. Not to mention, we have tons of images that are on here that should be hosted off site or deleted for violating copyrights. And you can't change your song saying you weren't against Attack images. That's not going to work. Also how many times have I heard disk space = cheap. Stop grasping at straws.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:::::::First, I will quote myself in one of my earlier comments here, and on speedy deletions. "Stupid shit like this doesn't need to take up space on the wiki" "Waste of bandwidth". Not to mention the many times I've said something along the lines of wasting space from the start. Its hard to "change my song" when I've followed it through from the start. And yet again, you're trying to make it look like I said something different than what I said. Not once did I say I was against attack images. I said these hardly used ones that are just wasting away could easily go, but I never called for a removal of all hate images. And who says I'm deciding what goes on the wiki? I simply thought of what a large portion of the wiki users would vote like, and put it up for speedy. And when it was brought here, look at that. Many of them agree with me. Huh. I guess I was right in thinking that the community would find the image to be shit. Doesn't mean I think I should decide whats on here or not, or that I'm trying to do that. One image maybe, but not the entire wiki. I'm not trying to portray myself as a voice of the community like Iscariot seems to here and there. I'm not trying to dictate the wiki's happenings a-la Grim. Quit trying to paint me like that.<br />
#:::::::Also, the whole disk space=cheap? Who cares if its cheap or not. Doesn't mean I want to waste it. And inb4you saying a bunch of my shit is wasting space, I don't feel it does. And if you do, then put it up for deletions. Even if its in my user space, as it's been proven before that the user space isn't sacrosanct. I'm not sure if I replied to each of your points, but I'm tired. If I missed something, let me know, and I'll try to hit it back.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 03:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::I don't know if there's much point to this large discussion but, to clarify; Attack images have been deleted in the past. One relating to Amazing, and one very similar one relating to Finis Valorum. The only real question, aside from if she actually wants it deleted, is if this qualifies as something akin to that as opposed to the Marty images. It's kinda dumb but doesn't cross the line into invasion of privacy that is usually used as the standard for deletion request for attack images. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 03:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:::::::::Even Marty (bless his thick skull) realized that the images were a parody. Of course, the Marty images are works of art as the Goons are professionals (unlike TZH).--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::::PMSL...the goon ''are'' TZH... the only difference is that they're zombie arseholes, and they have a numerical advantage :P <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:23 10 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
#::::::::: Amazing was a prick, and the attack images were made with his "''copyrighted material''". It was easier to delete the image than to get him to shut up about it. And finis image was deleted because it featured a RL-photo of him. And Honest, you claim this image is a huge waste of BW, but this discussion prolly a) drew more attention to the image than it normally would b) created more BW usage than the image alone ever consumed. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 16:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::::A)I know. It can't be helped that Nubis didn't think it should be deleted, he has his opinions, I have mine. Oh well, right? B) Again, not exactly something we can change. But I still think the image is a useless waste of space. And C) I'm not Honestmistake, please don't tell me you confused me with him, he hasn't even said anything here!--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 16:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:: I dont approve attacking other users, but i am not going to bar them from a crime i and several friends of mine were guilty of in the past (and some of them in the present). BTW, this image is not copyrighted by the user being attacked (heh), nor is it used elsewhere in the wiki besides the talk page of the user who uploaded this image. Its his right to express his hatred for a group or user in his own user page. If any user take this serious, its their fault. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 13:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::: and the "''has potential''" bit on my vote is just a lil joke on one of the below cases :P --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 13:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::::What about the 'Saromu is gay Devil' template? It was scheduled deleted..(attack against a user, no swearing). --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 18:24, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - Personal attack. --[[User:KyleStyle|KyleStyle]] 04:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - Crap. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 13:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Keep''' - it's on a user:talk page; it's free expression. If you don't like it, don't visit the talk page. Plain and simple. Is it pretty? No. Is it tasteful? No. You're right; it's crap (albeit with gobs of potential). But if we just start haphazardly deleting things we don't like, this wiki is going to turn to bland shit. Wait... unless we start with the DEM. Can we delete the DEM??? --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 17:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Keep''' - Oh Lord, don't tell me you've all gotten this petty. The image is SIX MONTHS OLD. If it has offended anyone, the damage has long been done. I feel the whole deletion request only exists to piss off TZH.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 04:03, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:I have no dealings whatsoever with the TZH, I just happened to notice it while checking out some of their stuff. Just because it's old doesn't mean it can't offend anyone that may see it at a later time you know.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 11:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::I'm sure Amber Waves has already seen it, and I don't know of anyone else who would be offended. Plus it's not even well made, it's like a 10-minute paint job! If someone made an image like this about me I wouldn't be offended, if anything they would look like the morons for slapping this together in the first place.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 03:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:::The funny thign is, thats one of the reasons why I said it should be deleted fromt he start, because it was such crap. :). Not so much because it was an attack image, or because it'd offend anyone, but because it was a hardly used, and very crappy image.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 03:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - But only because I feel ashamed for the guy who made it. I mean really? Who says PWNT to their own burn?--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 11:24, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - with prejudice. Some people who play this game need help. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 09:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[Armored Squadron]] ===<br />
Was just up for a [[A/SD|speedy deletion]], but brought here as users at A/SD are unsure about it's status in game. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Group page that has no content and even says they are disbanded. Armored Squadron, we hardly knew ye. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 11:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:That's random as my alt in Vinetown is standing in a building with a member of the armoured sqadron. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Well, now here is the question. They are in game (at least one) but they have no wiki presence to speak of. Should we still consider this a crit 1 (in pure wiki terms) or remove it from the requests (since they are in game)? --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 11:46, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Since the page says they have disbanded and is just a few lines i'd say kill it. In game might be unrelated, or a leftover or whatever.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Take it to [[A/D|deletions]], I think <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:46 12 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
:::::Done. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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#'''Delete''' - Doesn't seem to be acting as a group. The page is a stub, it says they are disbanded, and the forum is inactive, despite there being a remnant member in-game <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:22 12 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
#'''Keep''' - Page has content, a record of the group's existence, a link to their former forum and the ever present group box. Just because a group has disbanded doesn't mean things should be deleted. Also there is no proof that the group themselves added the section saying they are disbanded, we could be looking at a piece of missed vandalism. Rosslessness' observations trump all arguments. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' Iscariot's point about the "disbanded" part possibly being missed vandalism is a good one. However, on further investigation I find that their forums are dead. I also hardly consider just a group box "content". I wanted this moved here in case the guy Ross is with can answer if they are gone or not. Having it here gives him a chance to come forth. (if he does then I may change my vote)--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete'''. Come on, a template with a field saying FILLTHIS? The group can always just remake the page if they're so inclined. I mean, it DOES have potential. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 16:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - Page is empty, forums quiet since about May 2008. It's more than likely disbanded with a couple of stragglers in-game who decided to carry on by themselves. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - As above.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 23:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - As above. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 02:18, 13 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - we've deleted groups stub pages with evidence of an in-game presence before, we'll do it again.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' already. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 09:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:'''Deleted'''--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[Umbrella Corporation/Report]] ===<br />
An exact same copy of an [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive/Aug_2008#Haliman_is_a_Fraud already deleted file]. Posted as a personal assault directed towards me. Also posted just to "get back at me" for posting a logical report (with 0 personal assaults in it.) --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Speedy Delete''' - Crit 6. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:When you're posting shit like this please include links to the deletion logs etc, makes it a lot easier for people to figure out if what you're saying is valid.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::One moment... --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive/Aug_2008#Haliman_is_a_Fraud Done.] --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::: :). It was deleted because it was requested so by the page owners before deletion by vote. It never got forcefully deleted. Not crit 6--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::False claim that I zerg, sure that's not a personal attack.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Keep'''--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep'''--It's the equivalent of what you have, sure it's full of holes but so your slander page.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 23:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*<s>'''Speedy''' - Already been deleted once. Crit 6. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 23:40, 11 January 2009</s><br />
*:Striking vote, after looking at the deletion vote from August, I see most of the delete votes were actually move to subpage votes, which is where this already is. '''Keep''': It's a group subpage. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 23:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:Nope. It was deleted by page owners not by A/D.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*::Nonetheless, it fills Crit 6. You should have thought about of the possibility of wanting to bring it back when you requested it to be deleted. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:::Haliman, they had the ''empty'' page deleted because they didn't want that specific page anymore. Effectively they moved it to a group subpage, it just took awhile and was done in a strange and confusing way. The deletion (in that case) wasn't about the content but the desire to have the namespace deleted. Comprendé? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*::::So they just conveniently restore it now? --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:::::It's ''their'' page and content, they have the right to do that.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 23:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC) <br />
*'''Keep''' - That case shows the page wasn't deleted with the content on it, the page that was deleted was empty.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*: The page has nothing on because it was deleted. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*::Wrong. It was emptied by page owners, then it was empty then deleted by A/D by owner's request. The content on it was never deleted by A/D. Not crit 6.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 23:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:::Your group wiped the page only after it became clear that it '''was''' going to be deleted. If you had recreated it outside your group space it would be toast by now due to crit 6 <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:24 12 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
*::::Boxy is indeed correct, I'm still contemplating Crit 6ing it because of the reason it was removed; "''But agreed, im not sure if it violates the wiki rules officaly, but it does not belong here''", which is a direct quote from MisterGame, even tempted to file a vandalism case for remaking it as it seems to be in bad faith.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 05:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Delete''' with difference of our page this one is a personal attack to Haliman while ours is a report about UC zergers.--{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 23:59, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:Yes and accusing someone of zerging, no that's a personal attack at all, huh?--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 00:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*::Yeah, I thought so.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 16:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:::This one was not deleted and keeps in fact a list of zergers. [[Anti_Cheater_Alliance|Here]]. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 05:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - Because I can.--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 01:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - As Sir Argo. We can't have double standards. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:40, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - Not only does it not fit into the criteria of a speedy delete, the page is not a personal attack, it is a record on a fictional character named Haliman111. Who roll plays this character we do not know but it is not an attack on that person behind the character, even though it tends to point out characteristics of the person behind this character, it should not be viewed as such.--{{User:Jackson/Sig}} 01:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - it's in the group namespace now <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:24 12 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
*'''Keep''' - If Haliman can, why cant we? --[[User:Skouth|Skouth]] 06:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep'''. Sure, it's a heavy chunk of over-indulgent UD weirdness... but what the hell. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 12:44, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Delete''' - weak, though. This could be Scheduled Deleted (Personal Information) imo.. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 14:00, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Delete''' - and an escalation as per Crit 6. The original deletion vote was clear, it was subverted by the group's action of getting an author speedy first. The community's sentiment still applies. Failing to see this as Crit 6 opens the wiki up to every getting deleted being blanked and author speedied first, we'll never be able to get rid of some pages and Crit 6 and the policy enacted over it will be worthless. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:The original page in question was requested for deletion ''with the specific directive'' that it be moved to a talk page. It was. Crit 6 does not apply; perhaps the original page should have been given a "move" request instead of "delete". --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 16:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*::Did you just try an argue a technicality with ''me''? Look back at the previous deletions voting, there were 8 votes for Delete/Move and 11 votes for a straight forward deletion. The community's consensus is clear. My Crit 6 vote stands. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:::Argue! With ''YOU''!! How ''DARE'' I! My word! I retract, I'm sorry! I don't know what I was thinking! How silly of me! Please forgive me, oh great and mighty Iscariot! <br />
*:::Anyway, some of the same people who voted to delete it then are voting to keep it now for that very reason. I think the issue wasn't the page content, per se, but rather the content in the context of where the page was posted.--[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 16:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - You make a flame bait page, they do the same back. Let them have it. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - I just wonder what's the next file/page under the delete order.--[[User:Beau Dece|Beau Dece]] 20:32, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Comment''' - There's a policy somewhere saying group pages may have NPOV paragraphs edited in. ([[UDWiki:Specific_Case_Editing_Guidelines|Found it]].) I believe that's what's been done on similar cases in the past where a group page's content has been controversial, like Red Rum's [[Red Rum/Tommy Gun|Tommy Gun]] page. A short paragraph along the lines of "This is a sub-page of <groupname>, its content reflects the views of that group. The views of other users or groups may differ from those presented here" can help to take some of the sting out of a page where a user feels they are being criticised unfairly or misleadingly. The NPOV section should try to communicate that people should trust what they read in the rest of the page in proportion with how much they trust the source. Also, this same comment goes for the matching case below. --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 23:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep'''* - They get the zerg page we get this page, all is fair --[[User:Colonel Krauser|Colonel Krauser]] 04:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Delete''' - You are assholes. The wiki already decided this was NOT appropriate content and you posted it again. Go to hell, you fucking creeps. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 09:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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'''Deleted''' under Crit 6. -[[User:Karek|Judge&nbsp;Karke]],&nbsp;self-proclaimed&nbsp;Decider&nbsp;of&nbsp;Everything&nbsp;and&nbsp;Ruler&nbsp;of&nbsp;All 14:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The "page" that was deleted had no content. This is like someone getting their group deleted so they can rename it and move the content elsewhere, then getting crit 6 when they do move it elsewhere. But thanks for stepping in and stopping democracy, the people almost had a say in something then! I was starting to panic.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::No, the page that would have been deleted was this exact one which the author then chose to move off of the wiki and that is what the original deletion was for. The author himself said this was the wrong place for that content and chose to remove it, no different than a Crit 7. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::He said it was the wrong place, and moved it to the correct place AKA group subpage. The owner has clearly stated he wants the content on and if it was only deleted because he removed it (it was) then it should be subject to a vote as per the guidelines (it was about to be before you interupted). Don't make me put a/m back on everyones watchlists...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:"If more Delete votes are entered than Keep votes, the page will be deleted. In any other circumstance, the page is kept." Hmm. Seems pretty clear. I mean, maybe I'm just shit at counting, but... I'm pretty sure this is just power-tripping. You don't like it, you CAN delete it, so you do. I call bullshit. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 17:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The fact that I count '''2 sysops voting keep''' makes this even worse.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 18:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===[[Nigga Hardcore Squad]]===<br />
As below. Last edit by Vantar (category) on July 2007. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 02:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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<sub>Moved from A/SD. It's got a keep vote. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:07, 1 January 2009 (UTC)</sub><br />
#'''Keep''' - Has potential. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:59, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:How is that? Almost no content and hasn't been edited for over a year.. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 03:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::It has potential to be a great group. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 03:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Speedy Delete''' - Inactive group, no content. Exactly what Janus said above. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Speedy Delete''' - Activity? None. Content? None. Potential? None. -[[User:S Aline|S Aline]] 03:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:You're angry. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 03:51, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::Not in the least. Should I be? -[[User:S Aline|S Aline]] 08:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:::I've never seen Sarah Aline voting on deletions before. Is she working up to running for sysop??? Or just THAT bored??? ;P --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 17:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:::: Gasp! How'd you know, Mr. Yao?! -[[User:S Aline|S Aline]] 21:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Speedy''' Two years is more than enough time to wait on it's "potential", Sonny. Get real. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 04:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Keep''' --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 04:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM!'''<small>(Delet-o)</small> - No one breaks the law on my watch! I'm confiscating your stolen goods. Now pay your fine or it's off to jail.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 08:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:I see someone's been playing Oblivion. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBRSQGSyo9s ]--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 08:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Speedy Delete''' - Funny, but useless. --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 19:59, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
# - Has potential<!--Doesn't mean I'm supporting this. For all you know, I could be actually meaning delete!-->--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 20:02, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Keep''' - Quote from Wan Yao just down this page: "Boxy is right: we don't speedydelete old groups" . If the god of the wiki and boxy both agree, why exactly are so many of you trying to get this speedy deleted???? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:08, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:There is a huge difference in the amount of content between this page and the one that Wan was talking about.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 10:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:Because you're quoting out of context, Wan continues on to say "''Boxy is right: we don't speedydelete old groups. Many abandoned groups get deleted. However, this usually is because there is mininal, or garbage, content on an abandoned group's page. Though not always... Still, we usually don't delete groups with some decent content which were once active...''" <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 23:46 3 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
#:Yeah, it's a crit 1. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''D'''- Surely if it has potential it can be re-created later. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 05:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Speedy Delete''' - Crit 1. No activity, no content. If someone comes along and wants to start this group, they can recreate the page. It's not like a lot of work will be deleted if this is gone - it's got one template. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 16:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:I'll lead the group. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 I jizzed in my pants] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 17:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::Do it faggot. I'll join.--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 17:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Speedydelete''' -- I'm quoted above... But this isn't even a group. It's a no content page. Ciao! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 17:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Keep''' - because we got rid of crit 12 a fuck-age ago because [http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8163/diskspaceequalscheep21mtr1.jpg Disk Space = Cheep!]--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 18:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:There's ''no content''. It's not an actual group page with ''any'' existence in UD's history. Therefore Crit 12 doesn't apply. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::Oh god, it must be such a huge drain on the server... hurry and delete it from existance before the wiki crashes--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 19:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - because getting rid of crit 12 doesn't mean that contentless group pages are automatically kept <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 23:46 3 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
#'''Po-tat-ional''' - Is that how you spell it? (Why the fuck do you think Potential is in fucking bold. Cause it has it! Morons)--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 08:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Kill with fire''' - 'nuff said. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:13, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Keep''' - IRC told me to. As Jorm. There is content, the image, that will be deleted if this page is. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:Hai, I don't see jorm anywhar...--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 02:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::Jorm has moved on, but [http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8163/diskspaceequalscheep21mtr1.jpg his message hasnt]--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 05:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:::I've seen that before AS, I was being sillwwy. :D --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 06:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::::Groups with actual text content -- a few lame-assed lines -- get deleted all the time. The lame and probably ripped off image is no different than these kind of pages. And... Crit 12 doesn't apply here, this isn't speedydeletions. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 17:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Keep''' - Has potential. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 17:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - ''Had'' potential. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:33, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete'''. Why keep every crappy aborted fetus group page? It contributes nothing to the wiki; it makes it look cheap and used. Like your mom. Everything "has potential". That's a bullshit argument. I'm going to go and make a half-assed template for a dozen fake groups and put them each on a separate page. Because then, they can have potential too! --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 13:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:The difference between this, and all these other groups, is that I or Sonny might actually form it. I'm still thinking on if I have time or not.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 21:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#::Well! Why didn't you say so! That changes everything. Change my vote to an emphatic keep! This one has REAL potential, instead of the usual brand of potential potential. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 17:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#:::I didn't say so because I can always remake the page should I decide to make this group. Doesn't stop me from voting keep before it's deleted, right? :D. But I would appreciate your ''change of heart'', and will gladly accept your "keep" vote. ;) --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 00:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:52, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - No useful content, the group's inactive. [[User:G F J|G F J]] 17:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
#'''Delete''' - As above. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 04:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Deleted''' - 15 delete to 8 keep. -- 22:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===[[Urban Dead Leaderboard]]===<br />
It talks about a website that no longer exists, the user himself has not contributed since 2006, and the link was removed from [[External Links]] a while ago.--{{User:Drawde/Sig}} 15:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - It's something worth keeping around, possibly rewording to make clear that it's not actually still up. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 15:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' As Karek. If only because it was around at one point, and I don't like removing the game's history. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''', maybe add something like 'Website not active' at the top.. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 17:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Delete''' - No site = no proof. No proof = no page for something like this. If someone created this page today it would be deleted out of hand without proof, this is no different. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
**Except this happens to have been a big part of the game for a long time and was used by various groups for various purposes. Sticking your head in the sand is not reason to ignore what we ''know'' and that's exactly what this is equivalent to. The site existed, it was popular, it was used for competitions in the meta-game. That's not the same as if it had been an insignificant page for a project that never happened.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
***If it was such a big part of the game for such a long time, then you'll have no problem in providing some objective proof. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
****Find proof that [[The Many]], [[The Undying Scourge]], and [[TSO]] existed.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*****Actually, The Many were mentioned in a real life magazine blurb about UD back in 2005. XD--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 19:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
******I know, but that doesn't make it any more valid than all the references that are easily found on major forums to the use of the leadrboard.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*******One minor point, those pages aren't up for deletion, this one is. As with any rational debate, burden of proof is on the claimant. You claim they are an important part of the history, I'm asking for verifiable proof, you're not providing it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
********Deletions isn't a debate it is a '''vote'''. Your opinion that proof needs to be shown isn't any more valid than my opinion "let's keep it because I like the name". You are also sounding like Grim and his demand that a screen shot of Radio Survivor be provided when no other entry is subjected to that standard. So you vote no and I vote yes and we cancel each other out. Next.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
**<s>'''Delete'''</s> - As Iscariot the Invisible. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC) '''vote changed''' --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 00:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - But conditionally. If this leaderbard did, in fact, play an important role in the metagame community, then the page ought to reflect that fact. Go in an do a little write-up about this... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 00:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' The UD Wiki article needs to be edited to reflect the curent status i.e. it WAS but is no longer and a past tense descriptor of what the site did. And a Point of order...I personally entered over 600 profiles to the leader board (DHPD, RRF, Known allies, and most of our Rouges Gallery and Wanted Lists) Calls for proof are meaningless because in all sense of the word I can't even prove you were involved in UD before September 1st of 2007. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' Remove the links to the website and state that it was in the past, no longer exists, etc, but keep as part of UD history. -[[User:S Aline|S Aline]] 03:38, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep'''- Someone should do what WanYao said, write about its significance and then let the page be. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 06:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - All the page needs is a couple of minor tweaks to say that it is no longer online. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' I like the name.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Kept''' - I've past tensed the article and someone with more knowledge might want to clean it up a bit. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===some old unused images===<br />
* [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:T_RandlemanBull26.jpg Old Profile Picture]<br />
* [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:28weekslaterposter.jpg Old 28WeeksLater Poster]<br />
* [http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/6/65/Killzone_2.JPG Old Killzone Poster]<br />
* [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:Denver_Randleman4.jpg Recently Uploaded, but used a different profile picture instead]<br />
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Images I uploaded, that I no longer have use for, and that are no longer in use. Just taking up space. Thankyou.--{{User:Denver Randleman/sig}} 07:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Speedy''' - Crit 7. In future, just go straight to [[A/SD]], and do it there (if you are deleteing stuff you uploaded yourself. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''speedy''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 07:57 10 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
*'''Speedy'''.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 08:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:'''Speedied'''.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 08:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
Sorry about that, I'll remember to do that in the future. thanks again.--{{User:Denver Randleman/sig}} 08:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===[[The 7th Stockman Walk Regiment]]===<br />
Apparently disbanded, not a confirmed or historically important group, no edits since July, all members apparently inactive/not on the Wiki in the first place.<br />
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--{{User:AClashInRedSnow/sig}} 02:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Keep''' - We don't delete old groups' wikis, unless they're blank. And there's content in them thar wiki! Thus, it stays. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 02:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - As Wan. Crit 12 died for a reason (although "group pages" with only a sentence are occasionally deleted.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Author Keep/Kill Request''' - Oh, thanks for clarification, I wasn't sure whether it was deletion material or not. That settles it for me. Can I just move this to the Recent Actions section or delete it or does it have to stay up for vote? --{{User:AClashInRedSnow/sig}} 04:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Er, for further clarification, what about a group like [[Breaking_News:_We_Must_Unite|this]]? I suppose I'd like to know what the threshold is on what constitutes lack of content. --{{User:AClashInRedSnow/sig}} 09:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Thats a keep. Were looking for a couple of lines, or a group box that isn't formatted. Something that was created one day and then abandoned. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I've thrown up the [[Template:InactiveGroup|Inactive Group]] template on the page. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - but only just. WanYao's comment isn't exactly correct. Deletion votes can indeed get rid of group pages if they get enough votes, it's just that a group page has to be very minimal, and lack any real history to get the required votes. People create heaps of groups that never do anything of interest in Malton (or the other cities), it's reasonable to delete these pages if they drag down the wiki's signal to noise ratio too much, like the further link provided. Don't feel that because a nomination for deletion gets voted down, that that means you've done something wrong by bringing it here <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:29 23 December 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Ahh, gotcha. Thanks for the full run-down (and being friendly while at it!), all. I think I'm clear now on how slim a page needs to be for deletion. --{{User:AClashInRedSnow/sig}} 21:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Boxy is right: we don't ''speedydelete'' old groups. Many abandoned groups get deleted. However, this usually is because there is mininal, or garbage, content on an abandoned group's page. Though not always... Still, we usually don't delete groups with some decent content which were once active... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::What Wan said. Groups that only have ever had one member, with minimal content on the page (such as a broken table or only a few lines of text,) usually fall under a crit 1 [[A/SD|speedy deletion.]] Most of the time, however, they are left. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:22, 27 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - because we got rid of crit 12 a fuck-age ago because [http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8163/diskspaceequalscheep21mtr1.jpg Disk Space = Cheep!]--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 18:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Delete''' - Because I can. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' Page has content. You can not delete all groups that aren't as popular or big as the historical groups. You need the little groups that add flavor.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
'''Kept''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:02 8 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[The E.Vil Cliq]]===<br />
Crit one, not edited since 30 December, sole editor has left the wiki. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - It's less than a week old! And you don't know that the editor has "left the wiki". It's a holiday. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
<sub>Moved from A/SD. 11:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)</sub><br />
*'''Keep'''- for now. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - Wan has a point. I'll be more careful in future. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
'''Kept''' - The sysop who processed them decided that they didn't fit the spirit of criteria 1 on A/SD, so there was no need to move them here <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:00 8 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[Disposable Heroes]]===<br />
Ditto, except 27 December. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - A week old. Back off. Give it a month or so. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
<sub>Moved from A/SD. 11:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)</sub><br />
*'''Keep'''- for now. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - Are you bored link?--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 14:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - Yes, I was bored. I'll be more careful in future. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
'''Kept''' - The sysop who processed them decided that they didn't fit the spirit of criteria 1 on A/SD, so there was no need to move them here <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:00 8 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[Perzeus]]===<br />
Ditto again, except 1 January. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - SHEEEEEEEEEEESH, quit putting brand new pages up for deletion! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
<sub>Moved from A/SD. 11:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)</sub><br />
*'''Keep'''- for now. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*'''Keep''' - Wan has a point. I'll be more careful in future. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
'''Kept''' - The sysop who processed them decided that they didn't fit the spirit of criteria 1 on A/SD, so there was no need to move them here <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:00 8 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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==Archive==<br />
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{{Deletearchivenav}}</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Open_Discussion/Arbitration_and_Misconduct&diff=1366549UDWiki:Open Discussion/Arbitration and Misconduct2009-01-19T02:13:03Z<p>Jedaz: /* How to fix it */</p>
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<div>It's become clear through my observations that people have issues with arbitration and the misconduct systems and/or the people using it, yet we don't seem to be doing many things about it past highlighting the issue. I've created this open discussion in the hopes that we can get something accomplished, be it [[A/PD|policy]], guidelines, behaviour change or all of them.<br />
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==Arbitration==<br />
===Problem===<br />
''Add what you think the problem(s) are, but keep it short and to the point.''<br />
*It takes too long / can be drawn out.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*No problems with it. The only "problem" at the moment is that certain parties are taking great pleasure in abusing it. That's not a problem with the system. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 21:23, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*Yep, I agree with Cyberbob here. The problem is people aren't doing things in they way they're intended because it's not in their favor, and instead bitching about how it's not right.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*Too many loopholes, if a person doesnt want the case they just have to decline all arbitors.--{{User:Blood Panther/Sig}} 01:37, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*Frivolous cases and people attempting to use it as an alternative to Vandal Banning to get people they don't like punished. However, it ''usually'' works for the majority of cases, it's just the few that mean we are posting here. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*As Blood Pander, from what I've seen. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 06:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*The fact that nobody seems to realize anymore that you ''don't need to agree to arbitration''. Its a voluntary conflict resolution system, not a place for you to lynch each other. --[[User:Zaruthustra|Zaruthustra]]<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]]</sup> 07:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*it's mainly used to solve/escalate personal conflicts instead for its purpose of solving disagreements about content--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:06, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===How to fix it===<br />
''Free-for-all commenting here.''<br />
*The problem with the arbitration system is the Arbitrators. Arbitrators need to realize what is a legitimate case and what isn't. I have seen so many arbitration cases which shouldn't have gotten past the first phase go all of the way through. The solution is to prevent people from letting these cases go through. This should not be a sysop job, but rather a job of the community. If there is a case which has no merit then it should be discarded. Of course if the community sees a case with merit being discarded then they should act to ensure that it remains. Action should only be taken once suitable discussion has occured however (you don't want edit wars raging). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:40/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
*:I respond under here because he is right. Also; maybe it's time [[User:Karek/ProjDev/Arbitration_Policy|This]] made a come back. I haven't set aside time to alter it based on the policy vote because arbitration has been relatively quite.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:Yep. Arbitration is occasionally mistreated (especially in a few recent examples that never made it to a case,) where people don't go to settle a dispute, they go to get someone banned. It should be made more clear that arbitration is not a place for punishments to be melted out. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:That is quite true. Maybe we should take some of Wikipedia's ideas and have Mediation as well as Arbitration. I've seen several users suggest it, having Arbitration for editing disputes and Mediation for conflicts between users. I don't think it has made its way into policy discussion, though. --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 09:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*::If I remember right, at Wikipedia, Arbitration is for disputes between users, and Mediation is for edits. Don't quote me on it. That's a good idea, but there could be cases that fall between the two, such as where two groups have a dispute over the content of a page that has fallen into simple trolling-mediation or arbitration? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:::[[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/UDWiki:Mediation]] The general objections seemed to be that it needed some more work, I just haven't gotten around to it yet. Feel free to mercilessly edit the one linked above(in my namespace), at least then someone will be working on it.--[[User:Karek|Judge&nbsp;Karke]],&nbsp;self-proclaimed&nbsp;Decider&nbsp;of&nbsp;Everything&nbsp;and&nbsp;Ruler&nbsp;of&nbsp;All 10:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:::I'm not too sure about it either, after reading wikipedia. They don't explain the difference very well. For the example you quoted, it would probably best to determined what happened first - the edit dispute or the user incompatibility - and send the case to the proper channel. I am a bit surprised that I missed the policy discussion and voting on the Mediation Policy; I'll have to check into this stuff more. --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 21:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Linkthewindow/Arbitration and Mediation|Here]] is my attempt at a policy closer to Wikipedia's. Thoughts? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 14:49, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*:::I commented on the page, Link, but I don't know if I should have bothered cause all the discussion will probably end up here. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 16:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*::::Admittedly, I wasn't too sure about the elections-they work at Wikipedia, but there community is a million times bigger, and it's less likely that people will know each other. I may move towards Karek's system of just having a few appointed arbitrators. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*::I've added my thoughts to the [[UDWiki_talk:Open_Discussion/Arbitration_and_Misconduct|talk page]] regarding my concerns about this kind of thing being policy. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:13/19/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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==Misconduct==<br />
===Problem===<br />
''Add what you think the problem(s) are, but keep it short and to the point.''<br />
*It can take time to get a clear ruling, particularly in cases that are grey areas. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*No problems with it. The only "problem" at the moment is that certain parties are taking great pleasure in abusing it. That's not a problem with the system. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 21:23, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*See my comment above.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*What I said above-people posting frivolous cases, and those "borderline" cases that Cheese alluded too. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*There is no "penalty" for not voting so many sysops can actually avoid being "controversial" by not contributing.<br />
*Until there is a limitation on using it to persecute having only Misconduct/Not Misconduct dispositions is harsh and sets too many precedents that will be used as weapons later.<br />
*Without a real penalty for misconduct outcomes there is no fear of being found guilty. However, without stopping the harassment cases facing a penalty because someone hounded you into it is hardly fair. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:23, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*Some of the cases are about very tiny things. The case itself (even without the ruling) seems unpleasant for the defendant. Minor thing: the example case has a harsher punishment than what typically happens. --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 18:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*red tape abuse is given a slap on the wrist and nothing else repeatedly, just get rid of the damned tape. It's a fucking popular vote, just within a select group.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 22:53, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===How to fix it===<br />
''Free-for-all commenting here.''<br />
* Add more dispositions. <br />
* Add a Sysop/Crat voted review process. (not popular vote)<br />
* Resolve cases in a timely manner.<br />
* Protect sysops from unwarranted cases. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Open_Discussion/Arbitration_and_Misconduct&diff=1366548UDWiki talk:Open Discussion/Arbitration and Misconduct2009-01-19T02:10:58Z<p>Jedaz: New page: ==Arbitration and how to fix it== Rather then clogging up the main page I thought I'ld bring discussion here. I think as a policy this kind of thing is doomed to fail, I can see people abu...</p>
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<div>==Arbitration and how to fix it==<br />
Rather then clogging up the main page I thought I'ld bring discussion here. I think as a policy this kind of thing is doomed to fail, I can see people abusing the rules for just about any wording that we can think of. If this was to become a policy all that is needed is an amendment to the current text to let people know what they can do. The amendment that I would suggest is as follows<br />
{{Quote|2=It is expected from the community that if an illegitimate case is presented in arbitration that the community acts to remove the case. The act of removal should only occur after reasonable discussion has occurred and a reasonable chance has been given for opponents of removal to voice their concerns (typically 48 hours). If there is sufficent doubt among the community then the case shall be allowed to run it's full course. If both parties agree to the commencement of arbitration then regardless of the communities decision the case can not be removed. |3=The arbitration page should include}}<br />
Thats how I'ld word it myself, but I think that this too would be abused by meat puppets. So I'ld perfer this to be more of an unwriten rule so that meat puppets or rule layers won't be able to abuse it. Of course however, I realize that this would bring us back to my first point of arbitrators not knowing that they can throw out cases that have no merit. Any comments or thoughts would be much appreciated. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:10/19/01/2009</span>]]'''</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=NPC&diff=1364070NPC2009-01-16T04:51:34Z<p>Jedaz: </p>
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<div>NPC is a term abbreviated from Non-Player Character. <br />
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This term is used for characters which are controlled by the game rather than being controlled by a real person. It is important to differentiate NPCs from [[Bots]]. Bots are used by players in order to achieve some goal of the player. Usually this goal is a repetitive action which would be difficult or tedious to achieve. NPCs on the other hand usually provided a service within the game such as working as a shop keeper, or being enemies which the player may gain experience from.<br />
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In Urban Dead there are however no NPCs; all zombies and survivors are controlled by real people. As a [[Frequently_Suggested#NPCs|Suggestion]] NPCs are usually ill recieved, typically resulting in the suggestion being [[Spaminated]].<br />
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==MethMan==<br />
The Meth Man says: Fear no zeds!! Fear no death!! Fear the Meth!!<br />
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The Meth Man jumps from the window. --[[User:Lithedarkangel|Lithedarkangel]] 00:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That was creative! *Haliman Chases after methman.* --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 18:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The Meth Man jumps behind you and says: You are slow!, you need more Power!, You need The Meth!. Gives you some meth and goes on the run again.--[[User:Lithedarkangel|Lithedarkangel]] 21:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::-*Haliman takes the meth.* Need..... MOAR.... POWAH!!!--{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::The Meth Man shouts: "Catch me if you want more!". You see the Meth Man running inside a pet shop.--[[User:Lithedarkangel|Lithedarkangel]] 01:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::-*Haliman runs to the pet shot.* "You can't escape me meth man!" --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::You enter the pet shop and are welcome by some methified parrots. The parrot one:"Bang, Bang...Harmanz ar har." The parrot two:" Mrh?... Brrrhh!". There is a trace of meth on the floor.<br />
:::::::"Strange...." *Haliman follows the meth trail.* --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::You follow the trail and found a small pink box on the ground. It has a card attached: "Open til November 5... or when you are chasing the Meth Man." --[[User:Lithedarkangel|Lithedarkangel]] 03:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::"Well, I'm following eth Man, so..." *Haliman opens the box.* --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: You open the box and found the following item: It's a Meth syringe!. Congratz!--[[User:Lithedarkangel|Lithedarkangel]] 00:41, 19 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::-*Haliman uses the syringe.* "So... Much... POWAH!" --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Drama? ==<br />
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Funny wiki drama. Hahaha. Don't worry Hal. We do have the needles and the ammo. :) --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 02:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:The wiki would cease to function without drama. It's just another day at the office :). {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:04, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Dare I say, shall we update the wiki Drama level to.... WIKIGATE?!!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!1!?!/11/!?1?1?!1?!--{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Nah :P. It seems a bit more dramatic then usual, although I get the feeling it's been a tad quiet the past few week. (OT: Lithe, your sig goes invisible on Haliman's background :P.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: XD, hehe. Drama is everywhere. I laugh about it. And yeah, my signature goes invisible... because of the black background.--{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 03:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Drama's fun... to watch. Not so much when you're involved. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::[[User:Soldier|You would know]] :P. This UBCS/UC stuff has been going on for a while. I suspect the only reason it ever died down was because of an arby case saying that they couldn't speak to eachother. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::: I guess the name Umbrella is synonymous to drama.--{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 03:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Lol, Soldier was an exception. I think his leaving was more of a public service than a dramafest. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 04:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Soldier leaving? Oh an Pestolence, wanna know something weird? I was checking out your page today xD Creepy. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Oh, and this drama has been going on for half a year. We're at war with them in-game too. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:04, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Well, technically he left, but he's still lurking on a new alt. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 04:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Yeah "technically," although I haven't seen his alt for a while. I think he may be laying low and hope that those of us on the UDwiki have memory loss. How long have you been at war with them for? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 04:40, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::The memory loss comment was a low blow :(. And for... A little over a day. xD They killed 4, we killed 9. They even attacked us first xD --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:43, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::::Meh, that's not too long at all. A "war" or a skirmish? Anyway, people have a very short memory on the internet. Ask the guys who where around at November the 27th at Gamespot. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:41, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::::I would just like to point out that this "war" started in retaliation for the murder of one of our members by one of the UBCS over simple graffiti. You don't kill a member and get away with it.-Jackson<br />
::::::::::::::::I love being hated. "Hate" on the internet is Kewl these days it seems. Seriously, hate is a serious emotion so what is it doing on the web?--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 14:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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This seems like the right place, anyway. Regarding the copyrighted thing. It certainly wouldn't be the first time a user in all seriousness tried to claim group stuff as copyrighted which might be why it was commented on there, Boxy has had to deal with it in the past. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Interesting... I started this bit and now a whole talk is written. Hal many people are stalking your talk page. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 22:04, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:No, too many people stalk [[Special:Recent Changes|Recent Changes]] :P. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Haliman stalks me though XD --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 22:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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{{*}}Charges in a la Pedobear* Did someone say stalkage?--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 22:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I said stalk...but nevermind. lol. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 22:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::You guys are jerks. Now I'm gonna have to archive everything again... Once we break the page xD First off, I have the most colorful sig on this page. :D --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:00, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'm not a jerk. And yes to archive!!! weee!!. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 23:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Archived everything but the Active stuff. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::I, however, am a humongous jerk. At least someone appreciates me... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 23:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Ha, compared to me, you guys are some of the best people on the wiki.--[[User:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>]] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 23:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Are you kidding? Me? One of the best? Lulz. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::: I would not deny that I'm one of the best. XD --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 23:36, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I would understand Li being one of the best though :D --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::: Indeed. Li is awesome!.--{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 00:07, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Not as awesome as methman, though. :D --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Your color scheme ==<br />
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It hurts my eyes :) --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:It's a security measure, so nobody can read my page. xD --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== [[The Status Reporters]] ==<br />
I commented in full [[Talk:The Status Reporters|har.]] I'll help, just give me a few days. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! We're gonna need more people :) --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cookie ==<br />
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{{Cookie|1='''[[User:Lithedarkangel|Lithedarkangel]]'''|2='''[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]'''|reason=worrying about him.}}<br />
{{Cookie|1='''[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]'''|2='''[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]'''|reason=getting a cookie from Li.}}<br />
{{Cookie|1='''[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]'''|2='''[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]'''|reason=Li telling me to.}}<br />
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== Glows? ==<br />
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Enough glowing? --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 03:31, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Oooh Shiny (: --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: Yeah shiny. You gave yourself a cookie --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 04:09, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Oooh cookies :D --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: ... too much cookies... --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 22:31, 31 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Theres never too many :D --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== No more. ==<br />
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Please, stop the wiki drama Hal. We will solve this. :) --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 19:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Wha? --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:43, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: XD. ok. Ok. Don't kill me. I will type it in another way: Let them do what ever, they are the ones loosing. --{{User:Lithedarkangel/signature}} 00:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Arbitration ==<br />
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Umbrella have posted that they accept the arbitration and will represent themselves. I highly recommend, regardless of what others say, that you do not let this case drop and pursue it to the conclusion. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I didn't plan on dropping it. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 18:21, 11 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Hey Boss! ==<br />
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If you are changing the forum, now would be a good time to use the requested name change...you know? It did get the majority. <br />
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Urban Biohazard Containment Service.<br />
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or not. =/ --[[User:Megameh|Megameh]] 21:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Not now. We need to figure out a few more things. After that, we can. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Grammatical fix==<br />
Thanks for fixing that up for me, I was trying to decided between "then" and "than". Language is not my strongest suit. =P - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">03:45/16/01/2009</span>]]'''</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Alt&diff=1364018Alt2009-01-16T03:34:58Z<p>Jedaz: </p>
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<div>In Urban Dead, players often play multiple [[character]]s. The term '''alt''' is used to refer to another character that is controlled by the same player. <br />
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==Use of Alts==<br />
There are many legitimate reasons to play using alts. The first and foremost is the fact that you can enjoy three times as much time playing the game with the [[IP Hit Limit|160 IP hit limit]]. You could play more then three characters, but it wouldn't work well with the limit. Donating allows you to exempt one character from this limit however, and you can play more than three if you donate for each extra above the third. <br />
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Playing using multiple alts allows you to experience life on both sides of undeath, as well as try out different styles of play at the same time. It also allows a player to join different groups with different goals. For example, a person could have one alt join a [[:Category:Human Groups|Human group]] in the northwest of the city dedicated to healing people, have another alt somewhere else that is a [[PKer]], and a third alt that roams with any number of the [[:Category:Zombie Groups|Zombie Hordes]] that roam the city sowing destruction and chaos as they go.<br />
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===Abuse===<br />
However, the use of alts does have its perils. Using multiple alts towards the same goal (such as getting revenge or ensuring the survival of a specific character) is known as [[zerging]] and is a form of [[cheating]]. Urban Dead has built-in anti-zerging counter-measures to counter this form of cheating, the triggering of which can result in characters being automatically penalised or even deleted/disabled. <br />
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Players are strongly encouraged to keep their alts at least one suburb apart at all times, to roleplay their alts as unrelated identities, and to ensure that their alts do not cooperate. It is also a good idea to keep 24 hours between one alt leaving an area, and having another enter it.<br />
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Because of the definition of zerging many players object strongly to human players moving one alt out of a conflict zone when they run out of supplies to bring in another fully loaded alt. This is often considered cheating and may cause players to react negatively towards the player.<br />
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If you have alts (and do not zerg), feel free to use this template:<br />
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<div>'''Action Points''' ('''AP''' or '''APs''' for short) are the basic unit of [[Urban Dead]] used to perform actions. Almost any action, such as moving, attacking, analyzing a zombie with a [[DNA extractor]] or building up a barricade takes 1 AP. Some actions, such as moving a [[zombie]] without [[Lurching Gait]] or getting up after becoming dead, take more APs.<br />
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Action Points are extremely important for [[:Category:Tactics|tactics]].<br />
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A conscious character can perform actions even if the cost of that action exceeds their remaining APs; in this case the action will be executed, leaving them unconscious with negative APs.<br />
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A player can have a maximum of 50 Action Points. Action Points begin regenerating as soon as their amount drops below 50, and regenerate at a rate of 1 point per 30 minutes, meaning that a character can regenerate all their AP in 25 hours.<br />
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*Logging in or out as a character.<br />
*Buying skills.<br />
*Looking at or editing your profile.<br />
*Looking at someone else`s profile.<br />
*Adding to or modifying your [[Contacts list]].<br />
*Looking at the full list of survivors in the location you're currently on when said location holds more than 50 of them by pressing the "list names" button.<br />
*Attempting to enter a building that you cannot enter (because of barricades or, if a zombie, closed doors) or exit a building you cannot exit trough the main doors (by pressing the "Leave" button on a heavily barricaded building as a survivor, or at any barricade level as a zombie).<br />
*Dropping an item.<br />
*Trying to attack/gesture/generally do things to a character who isn't there (because they've moved, or they're dead), unless noted below.<br />
*Trying to use a [[First Aid Kit]] if the target moves away.<br />
*Attempting to retune [[radio transmitter]] (pressing the "Retune transmitter" button). Note that the retuning itself will cost 1AP and in case of [[Useful Items#Radio|handheld radios]] attempt to retune does cost 1AP.<br />
*Opening mobile phone in a suburb with online phone mast<br />
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*Stepping inside a building, even when you're a zombie with the [[Memories of Life]] skill and the doors are closed (they are opened automatically).<br />
*Stepping outside a building via the "Leave" button unless you can't do so.<br />
*Jumping off from a tall building's windows (note that if you're a survivor the first time you press the button you'll be asked for confirmation, so pressing the button only once doesn't spend any AP).<br />
*Attacking.<br />
*Speaking.<br />
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====Humans only====<br />
*Moving from one square to the next (including diagonal movement).<br />
*Using a DNA extractor (even if the target cannot be analyzed/has already been sampled today/doesn't exist).<br />
*Using [[binoculars]] (even if building isn't tall enough).<br />
*Using the "Search the area" button once (even if nothing is found).<br />
*Searching with your inventory full.<br />
*Spraypainting/graffiting/tagging.<br />
*Using any item in the inventory except for a [[revivification syringe]] (even if the item has no active use, e.g. GPS receiver).<br />
*Using a revivification syringe on anything but zombies without the [[Brain Rot]] skill or with that skill and inside a [[portable generator|powered]] [[Necrotech building]].<br />
*Standing up after being revived with a Mk. I or Mk. II revivification syringe for survivors that already possess the [[Ankle Grab]] zombie skill.<br />
*Closing a building's doors.<br />
*Removing a dead body from a building.<br />
*Accessing [[Necronet_Access|NecroNet]].<br />
*Improving a [[Barricades|barricade]], or attempting to.<br />
*Repairing damage to a [[ransack]]ed building.<br />
*Opening a portable [[radio]] receiver for tuning (clicking on the radio item in inventory).<br />
*Tuning a radio to a frequency (even if the frequency remains the same).<br />
*Using a [[First Aid Kit]] (unless the target is at full health, or moves away).<br />
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====Zombies only====<br />
*Moving from one square to the next (including diagonal movement) with the [[Lurching Gait]] [[skill]].<br />
*Standing up with the Ankle Grab skill if the zombie hasn't been killed by someone with the [[Headshot]] skill.<br />
*Performing a [[Flailing Gesture]].<br />
*Using [[Scent Death]].<br />
*Ransacking a building that is empty of survivors.<br />
*Groaning by using the [[Feeding Groan]] skill, or failing to do so because survivors in the area have moved or died.<br />
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===2 AP===<br />
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*Moving from one square to the next (including diagonal movement) without the Lurching Gait skill.<br />
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===6 AP===<br />
====Zombies only====<br />
*Standing up with the Ankle Grab skill after being headshot.<br />
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===10 AP===<br />
====Humans only====<br />
*Getting up after being treated with the Mk. 2 revivification syringe (Mk. 1 syringes work instantly and do not cost AP) without possessing the Ankle Grab skill.<br />
*Using a revivification syringe on a zombie without the [[Brain Rot]] skill or with that skill and inside a [[portable generator|powered]] [[Necrotech building]].<br />
*Spraypainting on a [[Billboard]].<br />
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====Zombies only====<br />
*Getting up after being "killed" (reduced to 0 HP) without possessing the Ankle Grab skill.<br />
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===15 AP===<br />
====Zombies only====<br />
*Standing up after being headshot without possessing the Ankle Grab skill.<br />
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===20 AP===<br />
====Humans only====<br />
*Using [[Science_skills#List_of_Scientific_skills|NecroNet Access]] to manufacture a revivification syringe.<br />
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==Monroeville Airlift==<br />
Hi Kevan,<br />
I am one of the few remaining survivors in Monroeville. With the Christmas update being implemented, I was curious to know if I set up a Christmas tree and some lights in a building for a few days, would a Helicopter come by and take my character to Malton? I don't want to do something in vain that could end up killing my character that has survived for ten months... <br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 06:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:hey Evildiehard, i'm The Last Unlucky Guy, we were in harvey's group together, i like that idea, can i get in on it too? Getting my character out of Monroeville would be great, i've grown too attached to him and if i got killed, especially after going solo, and survivng for this time, it would really suck :( --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==clothing suggestions==<br />
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Hi, long time no see. I've got another question about clothing. I see that you haven't implemented any new clothing for almost a year and the pages in question are receiving little to no traffic. Are you still in need of new Clothing ideas [[Clothes/Suggestions|Suggestions]] or can I close the page and move everything into their relevant archives?--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Will donate for awesome clothing ==<br />
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Basically, I was just wondering that if I donated $50AU or something, that maybe you might code in some blood-proof clothing, just for moi? I mean, it's a decent chunk of funds as all... --{{User:Medico/sig}} 01:30, 26 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Broken Wiki page ==<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1271116&oldid=1270525<br />
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The page I want is the last edit that I made for if, and I have no idea what went wrong. Someone directed me here... --<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span></font><sup> [[User_talk:Haliman111|T]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 00:44, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Iwitness typo==<br />
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Got really bored, and noticed there was a typo.<br />
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"What does it mean if a record is PUBLIC or PRIVATE?<br />
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Public records are just that- anybody can (if they take the time to look) find them and look at the information they contain. Private records are hidden in directories whose contents are not open to the public view, and the random number string appended to the end of the file name makes it impossible for anybody to find them through luck or accident. "Private" records are in fact so hard to locate that if you don't record their location, '''you'll never them again'''. That's OK when you just want to share a quick secret with some friends in a private chat room or secure forum, though- just copy the link and paste it somewhere you and you friends can find it, but others will not see it!<br />
User accounts do provide a way to retrieve all of the private records a user creates while logged into that account, so while still quite private, they are not going to vanish. User accounts also potentially allow for other levels of security; all of these are essentially private records that only certain people can see, or which do not display all of the details of the record in order to protect the privacy and safety of "innocent bystanders". <br />
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http://www.urbandead.info/iwitness/iwitness_FAQ.php#security<br />
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--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup></font> 15:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Check your talk page, {{usr|Haliman111}}. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:36, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Suicide Repair ==<br />
Most of the time it isn't easy to let a building reach the higher levels of decay and takes the effort of multiply zombie players. Lately as more buildings reach higher level of decay we see a raise in suicide repairs. Where survivors just spent all their AP and more to repair a long time ruined building and prepare to get eaten and revived. If suicide repairing was not what you where going for with the implemention of decay, please consider changes like: <br />
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a)Make it impossible to spent more AP on repairing than are left to this character, and probably setting a cap at 45AP as a maximum for decay. <br />
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or b)Repair only removes some part of the decay level and not all at once. Probably like tearing down barricades.<br />
--[[User:Experiment211|Experiment211]] 21:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I second option B. Option A could be exploited by people who wait until they have 2 or 3 AP left before running in to repair for 1 or 2 AP. B makes a lot of sense, I think. --[[User:Drugsanimudongs|Drugsanimudongs]] 17:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Errr... I read your suggestion wrong, Experiment211. Ignore my exploit theory! I still support B, though.<br />
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== Database error on the wiki ==<br />
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I have been getting the following message after making edits: <br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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The edits seem to be working, however. This bug just took place twice on the Historical Groups Talk/Voting page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:13, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I just got one on the same page. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ditto. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:06, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Happened to me too today.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:57, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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Is also appearing when searching brain rot in the Suggestions and Talk Suggestions namespaces.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Erg. I've had some server trouble lately, I'll take a look at it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:21, 27 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yesterday it was still doing this... It's rare as of late, it seems-- it was happening with almost every edit for a bit there -- but it *did* happen yesterday again.... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
:::Just hit the same after searching for brain in images. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:21, 3 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I've repaired the database, it should be okay now. Let me know if any error messages still creep through, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==A Little Idea for Group Affiliations==<br />
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I've had an idea and would like to submit it for your consideration. Would it be possible to add in the option of a URL link added to a player's group affiliation, a la the current system with the 'Real Name' links? This would be very useful for players looking to join a group and for groups looking to recruit players, especially zombie groups who lack the ability to spray-paint places without death-culting. Whilst the RN link is used by some, myself included, for recruitment, more likely than not the majority will simply not bother clicking it after the first few times they have done that on a profile have taken them to YouTube songs or Rick-rolls. A link under the group affiliation would draw more desirable attention. <br />
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There are two ways in which I could see this working: The first is to have the group affiliation act in the same way as the Real Life link, with the player choosing the URL; the second would be to have the GA act as the list of confirmed groups on the stats page does: An automatic link to the wiki page of said confirmed group. My personal belief is that the latter would be the superior option, so as to avoid abuse via unsavoury links which would undermine trust in the system (this is of course going under the assumption that you have a system which makes the links appear automatically on the stats page, rather than having to add them all in yourself of course).<br />
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Just my thought for the early morning. <br />
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Regards. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 04:37, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Please make your suggestions here: [[:Category:Current Suggestions]]. Seriously Moloch, you have been around long enough to know how suggestions are handled. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:40, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::FWIW, my personal version of 'ActOnProfile' already modifies the group name to be a link to the wiki page for that group. Its pretty handy, even if just to find out the group has no page. A fancier GM script could easily determine if the page actually exists, and not make it a link if it doesn't, which would be nice. Server side code could likely do the same thing better. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:02, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Copyright question ==<br />
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after playing Urban dead I had an idea making it into a warcraft 3 map and before I release 1: may I release a map made by maps and the same idea of urban dead and with its name/s 2: are there any requires you want? for example I could advertise for the site every 5 mins(I can have the map do that for me)I have all ready given credit to Urban dead and if you want I can give direct credit to you also<small>—The preceding {{wikipedia|Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages|unsigned}} comment was added by [[User:Undeadpope|Undeadpope]] ([[User talk:Undeadpope|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Undeadpope|contribs]]) 23:42, 6 August 2008.</small><br />
:l2english.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:34, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:If it's clearly presented as an unofficial fan project, and isn't making any money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:51, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==IP hits and construction==<br />
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If I repair a badly damaged building (15ap etc.) Is that one IP hit or 15? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:32, 9 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'd be one. it's a measure of how many times you refresh the map page not ap. The only exception (as far as i'm aware) is syringe manufacture which is 20.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I thought i was getting more than my regular action. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:32, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Is that confirmed or just a guess?--<span style="cursor:crosshair">Kooks</span> 22:50, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::It's certainly incorrect. I repaired a building costing 134ap and still had more than enough IP hits to play my other characters.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville and headshot==<br />
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All the high level survivors I know (about 30) have been holding out for the return of perma-death headshot with the quarantine. I see the quarantine is back, but everything still says that headshot is not permanent. Is this the case? If you're not bringing it back then you might as well close down the server or at least tell us officially. Because as currently constituted only one side can win, and though we could probably prolong things indefinitely I fail to see the point.<br />
--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 03:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:I couldn't agree more with this post. Staying alive as a member of an organized group in Monroeville is possible but it takes a large amount of coordination and effort. I fail to see the "game" part of current Monroeville on the survivor side, something permanent headshot would bring to the table. If balance is an issue, I'm sure the zombie side would love to have non-curable Infectious Bite. --[[User:Calem|Calem]] 10:09, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::The evidence of the most recent opening of Monroeville suggests that it takes about 6 weeks for the city to go from totally survivor-dominated to totally destroyed with the survivors on the run and hiding in the wreckage. Therefore, it seems to me that the most fun and interesting way to do it would be to run Monroeville in cycles. Every five to six weeks or so switch the rules to give one side or the other the advantage. So, having now had an extened Zombie Friendly period of time, you allow the Survivors to have their turn for a month and a half with closed borders and "permanent" (until the next cycle) headshot. Then re-open it to new admissions with the usual "Zombies stand back up" rules for a month and a half, then close it again and so on and so forth. That way, both sides always have something to look forward to and there's always something to plan for. Frankly, this solution still favors the Zombies somewhat in that a dead Survivor still never gets a chance to come back to life, but its significantly more fair than the current situation where Survivors can never repair a building for more than a couple of days before getting buried under a tide of zombies. While that may accurately reflect the desperate conditions of the later Dead movies and some of the supporting fiction, its not much fun to be a Survivor under these circumstances, and this is a game. --[[User:jng2058|jng2058]] 12:54, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Agreed. Right now Monroeville is only a game of attrition with an inevitable (tedious) end. Maybe that's in keeping with Romero's cannon, but it puts survivors in an unwinnable position and leaves the zombies without enough challenge to stave off boredom. If the game's going to be left open, then since zombies are in the advantage right now (by 4:1) why not restore headshot and see what happens? [[User:CoopVancer|CoopVancer]] 21:34, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Actually Coop- if you think about it- zombie take over isn't necessary canon in the zombie/post-apoc genre nor Romero canon, but merely an outcome of the core theme. What destroys the humans isn't the zombies, which are fairly weak, but their failure to overcome their individual self interest and cooperate. Restoring headshot would work now consistent with the canon. Headshot is something survivors learn with experience. At present, most of the survivors, don't have the XP to have headshot. <br />
::::: So I guess this is down to a test of wills then? Of humanity? How long can humans survive before break down, succumb to anarchy, or make a mistake and get eaten? '''We will not.''' Survivors will not descend into madness. We will survive under these horrible conditions! '''We will be ever vigilant!''' ''(until an emergency comes up in real life, then we're pretty much zombie-food)'' [[User:Bystander|Bystander]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Bystander, I recommend the buddy system. Give someone in your group your PW so they can move you in an emergency.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 00:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your reading is correct that perma-headshot isn't returning.--[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Will there be any type of reward for x number of survivors remaining? ==<br />
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I'm just going to say the only reason to ask this is because what the point of trying to survive if the hoard of zombies will eventually take over all? All i want to know is there anything that actually would give hope to the survivors?<br />
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:Yeah, it would be nice if the last 100 survivors were transported to Malton with text like "NAME survived the second Monroeville quarantine." or "NAME was one of the last 100 to die in Monroeville." on their profile page. --[[User:BetterLuck|BetterLuck]] 23:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::I hope something happens that's good at least for survivors, now they outnumber us way too much now--[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 15:44, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Monroeville Characters ==<br />
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I was just wondering if you had any plans for allowing players to have their Monroeville character's account moved to Malton. I just want to know because I happen to really like my MV character from an RP perspective and would like to play as him in a city that isn't completely ruined and dead... or at least use his name for a character in Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 03:08, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:No - you can transfer donation flags, but not characters. If you want to roleplay the same character in Malton, just create a new account with a slightly different name. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
How do you transfer donation flags from a Monroeville character to a Malton one? Thanks. --[[User:Alias81|Alias81]] 13:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just go to your "settings" page and enter a name. I've now added this to the [http://urbandead.com/faq.html#monroedonate FAQ]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Don't fucking jimmy me, jules. ==<br />
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I swear that 84 minutes almost pushed me over the brink...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:34, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, it looks like the wiki backups are pushing the server over the brink as well, from sheer weight of data, to the point of actually overheating the machine. I'm going to have to do another archive-history purge, as it's been a long time since the last one. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::NOOOOOO! Not the memories! Take anything but the memories! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:30, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::What about all teh lulz?!?!?!?!? Jed! ACTIVATE LULZ PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. CODE RED!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:44, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::OMG DID YOU SAY <big><big><big><big><font color="red">CODE RED?!?!?!?!</font></big></big></big></big>--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Good man. You'll do me proud yet. btw Kevan we just bought UD shirts so hopefully that means you don't have to go ahead with this "purging" business...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:48, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yeah i've thrown my best days into UD and my best money too. The least you could do is buy more server space so that a purge need never happen again. What if we need to check back over to see who made an edit? Or find long lost lulz? I mean [[2 Cool]] have a variety of quality projects using that space. [[ALiM]], [[ELiM]], [[Great Fire of 1912]], [[Sir Dick Longman]], [[Suburb Nicknames]], [[Colloquialisms]] and [[Malton Girl on Girl Parade]] all spring to mind. Of course there are many many more worthy pages created in the name of [[Kevanism|Kevan]], this is just a tasty sampling.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:53, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Stop blatantly spamming your endless vomit pile of useless wiki projects.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 11:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Quality projects using the ''page history'' space? If there's something good in there that's been deleted for wiki policy reasons, can't you host it somewhere else where people will actually find it? --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well if there is that's what we'll do. By the way - whilst I'm here, can I get your thoughts on [[ALiM|this page]]. Totally just out of interest and not fishing for an endorsement to stick in the first sentence of the article... And did you purposely give some of the locations amusing names or was it all the result of some cosmic event?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:22, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Also thanks for the recognition that they are in fact quality. And yes page history contains lols and should be kept for this reason. For example [[User:J3D/lol@finis|this particular work]] would never have been possible if page histories weren't kept. [[Save Page Histories]], i think i smell a 2C wikiproject coming on...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:32, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Ah that smell. I know her well.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Just wondering if there's a time-frame for this, there's an administrative Archive of Two we need to finish up before it happens, shouldn't take more than a few hours each.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Turns out that it might just be the A/VB talk archives.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::What in the name of all things holy is an archive history purge? Do i need to be in the brace position? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Look at the contribs of an older member, like myself. Ive ben around and posting since october 2005. you will see pretty much nothingb that old. A history purge is just that, a deletion of all revisions older than a certain age from the database. Its one of the reasons we make archive pages. Histories can get seriously huge, especially on larger, more active pages. For examples of the biggest, try A/VB and Talk:Suggestions --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 18:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Cheers Grimbo. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:06, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Couldn't Kev just get rid of the bigs one then? Talk suggestions is a particularly useless page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:08, 22 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'll be some time during September, and it'll be clearing out to a specific date (probably everything over a year old). If you need me to hold off while some admin archives are made, let me know. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I believe we finally got them all done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:17, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Maybe we do need to lose some of our precious memories...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Is barricading affected in dark buildings? ==<br />
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Would you be able to resolve [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Dark#barricading_success_is_also_affected_by_dark this question], please? (i.e. is there an effect in dark buildings on barricading success?) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:05, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:As Midi said, you should try doing your own research on this inquiry first. It seems like you haven't even checked by yourself. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 14:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's based on chance - sorta hard to get solid evidence when it could just be called "bad luck". Sometimes you have to go to the source to find out if you're just having a shitty day or if it's some game mechanic that's actually stopping you from hitting all those zeds at the local RP... I mean... er...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 14:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aeon, I ''did'' "check for myself"... As in. I've experienced it numerous times in-game... Then I went to Brainstock, asked around for a second opinion, and got one... But that wasn't good enough for you people... So I decided to ask Kevan, himself -- especially since Nallan kind of has a point, and since it's not easy to find the conditions to conduct the experiment... In any event, I managed to find a place to try it: I posted the results on the Darkness talk page. However, a quick word, yea or nay, from the designer really would be appreciated... Now... none of this "discussion" was necessary, not here, stop spamming this page, sheeesh. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:14, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You typed more than the first three comments combined. And you complain about spamming? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:31, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, there is an effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== theres 98 survivors in monroeville what now? ==<br />
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what is going to happen now? is there anything left for the survivors other than to just run or make a last stand? is there anything for staying alive till the end. --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Stay alive I guess. --[[User:Federationtrooper|Federationtrooper]] 22:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:umm the count jumped UP TO 100, what just happened? --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 03:50, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::And it's 101 now. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 05:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Idled characters standing up, most likely. Hellooooo. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:11, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Yes, idlers. So, will all characters be deleted completely? Should we make a last stand? What will happen to the accounts? Will there be permaneny links to the diaries, that can still be obtained after the accounts are deleted? Knowing the basic plan will help us figure out what we should be doing.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::If I recall correctly, at some point the game will be shut down. I mean ''shut down''. At which point Kevan has said that any donations on MV alts will be transferable to Malton. He has hinted that he might allow MV alts to be moved to Malton once it's shut right down -- although I haven't noticed anything like this in a while, maybe he's changed his mind? I dunno... My advice, personally is to wait and see... Possibly Kevan doesn't even know yet how he'll wrap it up. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::I'm [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Kevan#Monroeville_Characters pretty sure] that MV characters won't be transferable to Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 01:49, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Okay, but what will happen to the actual accounts though? What would happen if I tried to login with it after the map ends? Will the diary be preserved?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:59, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Aren't they (donation tags) already transferable? i'm pretty sure they should be. --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Donations are transferrable, and accounts aren't - it was always going to be one or the other, and donations seemed more appropriate. Profiles and diaries will be kept in perpetuity. And given how little difference there is between shutting the city down entirely and leaving it open for zombies to mill aimlessly around in, I might just leave it open. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fair enough? Any chance of us active zeds getting another tag in our profiles? Ive noticed those survivors still active have got one. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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For what? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 19:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like this [[http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1147825]], one like ''blah was an active zombie one month into the 2nd quarantine. '' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Again, I ask, "For what?" For staying active? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 23:35, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Sorry. yep.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::You knew when you signed up that it was not going to be a permanent map. And you knew the basic rules of the game, as well. You ''knew''... Now, deal with it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== FAQs addition? ==<br />
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I don't know why you haven't gotten around to it, but here you can even find a pretyped one to add. It's a quick, simple addition...<br />
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http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Add_encumbrance_section_to_the_FAQs<br />
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Also, I'm not trying to bother you, but could you check the bugs page and try to deal with some of those issues? I noticed my moved-outside reports already in the known bugs section, and that sounds like a creepy one that's been happening to a number of people. I also see a number of other bugs commonly happening, with no hint of what's going on. Thanks.<br />
--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Once again...[[PR_UI:_Sub_Pages#Tips_about_encumbrance|dupe]]. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:28, 30 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::That's why I wondered why he hasn't gottena round to it yet. It's been around a while, and it seems pretty needed.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:04, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Enough is enough ==<br />
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I know you don't want to deal with this kind of stuff... yeah yeah yeah... But please just ''look'' at [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.180 this post]. Just quickly... <br />
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Enough is enough, already. '''Please''' ban open proxies from accessing Urban Dead, because this is just too common -- and if anything is going to kill this game and the community it's zerging. There is a massive level of frustration over zerging, though honestly it's not brought up because people are fatalistic, figuring you're not going to do anything about it. But there are people willing and able to assist with the coding, with helping to set this up, you just need to say "Yes" to getting the ball rolling. Please consider it, consider ''something''... Because it's a serious problem ((that is, the use of proxies). And, unfortunately -- unless there is something huge we are all missing -- it's a problem that your abuse detection algorithms just can't deal with... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just to add... This guy in the post I linked to likely had his alts banned, and just kept making more and more to replace them... which, if true, shows that algorithm works against ''"normal" multi-abusers.'' But when you're dealing with proxies, you can completely circumvent those algorithms. And that's the problem... Active players usually encounter at least a couple ''obvious'' "zerg teams" every week... And a lot more less obvious but suspicious ones... It's very frustrating for those who try to play "by the book"... And while we generally just "shrug and bear it", still... I'm not going to bother you with this anymore now, but I really felt it was high time to bring this your attention, and to speak out for the many people who are so frustrated by the prevalence of zerging in Urban Dead. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:17, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm going to take the liberty of seconding the above on behalf of both the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]] and [[Columbine Kids]], two fair-playing teams that I lead who encounter zerg teams weekly. Whether something comes of this or not, I just want to add our voices. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 18:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ha. The only topic on the page not address by Kev on Sept 3. Come on man an least a reply saying you cbf would be nice...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:03, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Sure, I'll take a look at any ideas or technologies people have got. I'm not aware of any silver bullets that don't also turn up false-positives for people on weird ISPs or who have a misleadingly-configured home network, but would be happy to be proven wrong. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:29, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Interesting Tangent: Speaking of silver bullets, i recently found out that all that stuff from days yonder referring to silver bullets and there use in banishing monsters is actually ambiguous as to if it's talking about actual silver, or mercury (which was known as quicksilver at the time). so yeah, you may in fact be unaware of any mercury bullets. Just keep that in mind when banishing foes.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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There was a discussion on Beerhah.com about this... Where some people were attempting to seriously address the issue and then come to you with some solutions. Sadly, interest seemed to wane once Finis Valorum apparently left the game... However, I am going to copy what was probably the most relevant and hopefully most useful post in that discussion. As you'll see, the solution was not an algorithm and/or set of "suspicious" IPs, etc. -- which I gather was you were talking about above? Rather, the main idea it was using a list of known proxies and simply banning them. I actually think the wiki sysops have a pretty long list of banned proxies, for a start perhaps that could be used... <br />
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And, no solution is going to perfect. There will ''always'' be holes, always ways around whatever measures you impliment. As the post I'll copy discusses. That, I think, is pretty well understood. However, the point is to make it as difficult as possible for people to cheat. Open proxies are just ''too easy'' to find and use... Now, I don't know if paying for a proxy list is going to be effective, or a waste of money, considering how much these things change, apparently -- that's something someone with the right knowledge would have to decide. Anyway, I'm place the text of the post on [[User talk:WanYao| my Talk page]] for you to look at. Thanks for your time. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:21, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Sadly, we've got no follow up response yet... Kevan, are you listening? Just as another case in point, look at this... yeah I ''know'' what you say... But just look... I think you need to... I don't want to be a "bitch" about this... But I am really, really hoping we can find some way to address the zerging issue, and this requires a dialogue with you... <br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_7-1__644-f97-77b.html<br />
http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_8-1__0c7-19c-2b9.html<br />
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LOLz at my insane typos notwithstanding (i meant "flayed alive") .... This is sadly typical... We see this stuff all the time: here, 4 alts, at least, 2 each in adjacent buildings, from someone with a whole slew of "mithra" alts, many more than these 4, many of them previously spotted together -- this guy is familiar to us... We've presented some ideas for dealing with zergs like this, there is a discussion on the [[AZM]] Talk page... Will you work on this? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:08, 12 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Kevan, please do this: community appointed UD moderators. These trusted moderators will ban obvious zerging reported by players. To investigate zerging only basic information is needed: history of when the zergs all logged in, and how long they've been around each other. 95% of zergers are stupid and lazy and will be caught this way. No permanent bans, just temporary ones. Enough to make the zergers life difficult. --[[User:Rupert|Rupert]] 19:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:COMMUNITY appointed? You're joking, right? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 21:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'm kind of new, so forgive me if this is stupid... Am I correct in assuming that a lot of these zerg characters are level 1, or to a lesser degree level 2 that seldom level up or even gain XP but are used as scouts. If that's the case then I would think that any ''real'' account is going to gain XP and level up within reasonable time periods. If that's the case then would purging level 1 & 2 characters that don't level in say a month get rid of a lot of zergs? Or is there a legitimate reason for accounts within these parameters? --[[User:Mvario|mvario]] 01:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Most zergs (despite the name) do infact end up leveling up, check out all the [[GTFO]] zergs for an example. The one's that do stay at lvl 1 and 2 are throw aways that won't be used again anyway, so deleting them wouldn't have any effect except to free up the account name to be used by another player. And that is something Kevan has said he doesn't want as it would cause confusion. Also lol @ my post up there ^ from Sept 5.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Last Major Change to this page? ==<br />
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When was the last major change to this page made, the one where months pf posts were cleared off and the number of topics reset to 0 (I assume 0)?. What about the Suggestions Development Page, where the Overflow section used to be? I'm trying to find certain old stuff, and I need to know those important dates to do so...thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:07, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=prev&oldid=1241305]]This? You can chust check yourself by looking in the history tab at the top of each page. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:27, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:That link's no good.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::There was a history purge so links to old edits don't work. However purges aside he's right, if you need to find an old version of the page use the history tab at the top.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Dear Kevan: ==<br />
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<span style="color: #800000; font-family: Times"><center>You may try to tear down our barricades, devour our friends and allies, destroy our home... But we ''will'' prevail. Your efforts will be met with the stalwart defense that Barrville has maintained for these three years, and with our community at our sides, you must eventually accept defeat. You will go down, Kevan... and we'll put you there. And we'll do it oldschool; With our fists, With our boots, with lead pipes...<BR>And yes, with Axes. We shall not be put down.<BR>'''We Are AXES HIGH'''<br />
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E Cinerebus, Gloriam --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 16:13, 5 September 2008 (BST)</center></span><br />
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:'''''HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!''''' [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Okay, I actually thought it was quite the honour to be eaten by Kevan... but none the less worthy of an overtly trenchy and overdramatic comment. - --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 20:46, 23 September 2008 (BST)<br />
==Database errors==<br />
We are getting some infrequent, but still painfully annoying database errors. Last night when i was trying to edit [[A/VD]] i couldnt because of them, and we lost two current revisions on a page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASpacer_one%2FAthair_bas&diff=1270526&oldid=1270400 here] to them as well. Can you please take a look and find out whats going on? --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 21:51, 10 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Noted. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:43, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like we lost a handful of page revisions during the history purge; I'll look at restoring them this afternoon. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:08, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Okay, fixed, the handful of pages that were affected are stable now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==About the proxy issues...==<br />
this site: http://www.gmodtop100.com/ had a similar iddue which involved everyone giving themselves votes using proxyies from proxy.org Recently the website restted all the lists and when I tried to give hits to my gmod clan, I discovered that by some sort of meckanism they had managed to block proxies from being able to vote. I know they hadn't simply banned them because even my top secret proxy was blocked and I had never used it to access the website before. Maybe if you could get in contact with this "Pulsar effect" guy we could finally end this. [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It's really not as simple as some people seem to think. Web-based CGI or PHP proxies, or even SOCKS/HTTP proxies, are merely the tip of the iceberg – anyone with any decent technical expertise or friends with same can bypass any proxy list you care to come up with. Sure, it might be helpful, but it won't be a silver bullet, as Kevan alluded to above. Either way, we'll need to continue with [[ZHU|community-based]] [[GTFO|solutions]], as well as any additional technological measures that may be implemented. And remember... {{cquote||It may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma... which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve.''|Edgar Allen Poe}}{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And...{{cquote||Some things are not problems to be solved, they are facts to be coped with.''|Anonymous}} --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:23, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Future history wipes==<br />
Would it be possible leave a few more months worth of page histories next time a wipe is done? It's making it very hard to evaluate and track deletion requests, vandal histories and the like when histories just weeks old are missing, making it especially difficult to determine who should have "ownership rights" of group pages. Loosing histories will always be a problem, but the problem can be lessened significantly if you could keep it to older edits <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:56 20 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Or a portion of the oldest edits on a page(like the first 5 if possible).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And maybe a backup for the suburb danger status, using that sql code i sent you last time... heh... too bad i only found out about this wipe weeks after it occured, or i would have asked you to make the backup before the wipe. Bugger. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 03:14, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== I'm wishing for headshot.... ==<br />
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maybe for those left in monroeville should have something, like headshot, cause look at whats left... [[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:53, 4 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:The problem with that is to use headshot, you need to interact with zombies. A lot of the zeds left metagame, and all you'd do is draw others to your location. So yes. Bring it back. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I agree, running from zeds is getting old. I imagine they must be pretty bored as well. If not perma-death, how about headshot drops AP to zero. Otherwise we'll continue this war of attrition. Also shouldn't we get new badges? It would be cool if we had an incentive to keep playing besides making the zeds look impotent.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== ALiM's Birthday Party ==<br />
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You've been cordially invited to attend ALiM's birthday party at [[Club Head]] at 10am GMT on the 18th of October. Festivities will last for a full 24 hours. See [[Talk:Amusing_Locations_in_Malton#ALiM_PARTY.21.21.21|here]] for more details, oh divine master.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 02:15, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Misconduct ==<br />
I figure you are already aware of whats going on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#User:Grim_s| Here] but figured you should be formally informed. The final decision of the community has not been reached, but the general consensus will at the very least include the Bureaucrat status being removed from Grim. More may or not follow depending upon deliberations. Thank You. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:25, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:You have provided no evidence of misconduct. This is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:18, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Grim pipe down, everyone knows what you think and we also happen to know what Conn thinks. I can appreciate you're pissed off but can you not write the same boring ass one line all over the place, at least i nice tl;dr wall for old times sake ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:33, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Its not a boring arse line. Its a simple fact. All accusations of abusing the status of sysop as abadge of authority to force ones wishes on the community '''must''' come with '''clear evidence''' over a '''substancial period of time'''. So far no such evidence has been presented, and all my requests that it be have been soundly ignored by all concerned. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:36, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Conveniently all such evidence was wiped by Kev yestermonth, so i guess it falls down to your word against his/theirs. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Evidence already posted would still be present, easily visible to all who try a basic search. In any case, as [[user:Revenant]] has said, this is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Court Kangaroo Court], nothing more nothing less. My defense, which is logically sound, has been ignored, except where people have cherry picked points to troll. Saddam Hussein got a fairer trial than i am. In any case, without evidence, you cannot convict. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:40, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug*, shouldn't have declined my sysopship... ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::You were unfit for the job, and your subsequent tantrum proved as much to even the most jaded of eyes. My job isnt to make friends, or to be popular, or to do what people want, its to do what the rules and guidelines of this wiki state is correct, and to make the best decisions for the wiki in places where the guidelines do not cover. I am the only person to have ever lived up to that responsibility. No one else has, though karek comes damned close. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:47, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::oh come on, it was a joke! I thought even in your current state you should have picked it up. Feel free to slur away, hope it makes you feel better, xoxo. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:51, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Im sorry, but one seldom finds entertainment when one is the victim of such obvious and gross injustice where one cannot do anything about it. I apologise. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::apology accepted, we shall see how it plays out...now, to leave kevan's talk page so he doesn't get pissed off and cancel my accounts!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, this page was already on my watchlist. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:37, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::You gonna have a vote? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Contrary to Conndraka's first post, this is not a community decision at all. It is in fact a decision made by a small group of sysops. I trust the subtle difference and obvious deceit on Conndraka's part is not lost on you. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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There being no official method or process of notification...[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Final_Ruling| Here] is the result. Note the community "petition" that is also currently attached to the position. There being no "Policy" in this manner, the impeachment of a sysop by the community is a nebulous proposal at best. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:00, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:So that was you that thought that it would be a good idea to try to drive someone to vandalism as a last resort at neutrality? If it wasn't whoever added that petition should themselves be vandal escalated for misusing an administrative page to further a personal fight. Precedent matters.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:13, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Just for the record it was me who added the "petition" it was not intended to be used as evidence against Grim it and i thought it was pretty clear that I was asking for the communities opinion on wether Grim should face a vote. more than 1 person thought not.... apparently my intention was not clear enough and it turned into a petition while i was off-line. Should Grim have lost his Crat status? Probably... should he have lost it for the misconduct case? Absolutely not!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Bug, "zerg flag", or what? ==<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=951980 This alt] has recently tried searching for FAKs in a powered Mall with *no* success. 'Tis far more than bad luck... All other actions seem to working just fine, and I really can't see how a zerg flag could have been activated, even accidentally. Is this a bug, some unannounced change, or has a zerg flag somehow been activated? Anyone else had anything similar happen? But if it is a bug, then I'll report it normally... Thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:09, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unannounced change, although you shouldn't be getting ''zero'' success. If it keeps up, report it as a bug and we'll get some more data on it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Can you post these things as news? not only are we in a news drought, but it'll send the mall rats scurrying to the TRPs...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:25, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::It seems a bit cheap to announce search tweaks as fully-fledged "game updates". There are some proper updates on the way. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Perhaps, but it makes a difference. And considering it was suggested through the wiki suggestion system it'd a tip of the hat to the crowd over there (regardless of whether or not you actually saw that ;) ), i look forward to new updates :D something pro zombie perhaps? Things have quietened down in Malty as of late...btw kudos on the ruin update, she added a whole new dimension to the game.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Oh good. I thought this was just me. I have been getting reduced search rates EVERYwhere. (Hospitals, Malls, NT buildings.) Quite a few days I've spend 18~23 AP in these buildings over a period of about 10~12 minutes and have found nothing at all. Recently I've used a mall-searcher and spent 20 AP in Caiger NW and have found nothing in any store. It woulda been nice to see this as an official update. [[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 14:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yay! Updates are ace. :D -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:47, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Yes, please announce it or something. I was sad to find just 2 FAKs with 20 APs in a lightened mall with bargain hunting. Its just very less. First i thougt, it was bad luck, but others said the same too. Maybe a small view, what has been changed would be nice. --[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 17:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::'''My search-statistics:'''<br />
:::::::'''Where:''' lightened Mall, searched in the Drugstore<br />
:::::::'''Skill:''' Shopping+Bargain Hunting<br />
:::::::'''APs:''' 38 / 47<br />
:::::::'''Found nothing:''' 30 / 36<br />
:::::::'''Found a FAK:''' 8 / 11<br />
:::::::'''Rate:''' 21,06% / 23,4%<br />
:::::::--[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 18:18, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Assuming there are no more break-ins at my safehouse, I'll post some data tomorrow. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk]] </span> </sup> 04:26, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the reply, Kevan... No, you're right, haven't had a lot of time to play lately, but I tested it further and I did finally find some FAKs... And for everyone else... I believe I know ''exactly'' why Kevan implemented this. And it pleases me, personally, very much. :) Meanwhile, this wasn't a game-mechanic change, just a search rate nerf... Thus, I think it's cool it was left for us to discover on our own, and not as an announcement... Even if I had to resort to the cheap method of asking the big guy himself... ;) Though I did suspect it might be a search rate nerf, I just didn't ''dare'' to believe'' :D ... Thanks, Kevan, cool change... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:01, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh... FTR limited data... but searching for guns in a mall ''seems'' the same as always... and syringe rates have been quite low for some time now... just to clear up statement made above about everything sucking... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:05, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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You know, there's a [[Search Odds|better place]] than Kevan's talk page to dump this data... --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup II==<br />
I have regularly spoken to you of the abuses of adminsistrator and the flaws of the system. I have begged, and pleaded for you to become involved in fixing these problems. You have told me to do it myself. Tow/three days ago i notified you of my intent to stage a coup on this wiki and enforce a better way, at the very least as a trial run. I also informed you that you could call it off simply by telling me "no". Since you havent responded, and circumstances have cospired to make such an option impossible in the immediate future due to the very corruption that has taken root, i have been forced to go ahead earlier than i would have liked. I merely ask that you adopt a wait and see attitude towards what i am trying to do. This is my last throw of the dice. My last ditch attempt to make this a better place before i take my leave of this community forever. I apologise for the manner in which i had to bring it about however. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 10:26, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hello Grim. I read your email as a bold request for ''permission'' to single-handedly institute "sweeping reforms" and selective sysop demotions. I didn't realise you were threatening to actually abuse bureaucrat powers and go ahead regardless, if I didn't respond quickly enough.<br />
:Yes, whenever you email me asking that I force through a change that you personally want implemented, I suggest that you take it through the proper channels - usually a policy discussion, to at least get some community feedback first. I don't see why you couldn't have done that here. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup==<br />
Could you please re-sysop all the people that Grim just demoted, please, and remove his bureaucrat status to avoid it happening again? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:24 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Already onto it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::sooo....where do we go from here? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::[[Suburb Nicknames#West Becktown|PUSSY TOWN]]!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Shouldn't grim also have been demoted ? He can still do lots of damage with his sysop powers --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Given the "effective immediately i am seizing executive power" tone of his bureaucrat abuse, and the fact that he claims to have left the wiki permanently, temporarily revoking his sysop powers seems fair enough, if only as a security issue. I'll reverse it should the [[Misconduct#User:Grim_s|new misconduct case]] decide in his favour. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:34, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Hm... I think I may create a new subpage on my userspace containing as much of this stuff as I can. It will be interesting to read through and spot the points at which Grim became more and more frantic. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::First Katthew, now grim. There is no place for common sense is there? Maybe i'm not in possession of all the facts; all I see is one frustrated person finally snapping, after years spent as one of the very few sysops to actually work to make this a better place - rather than feather his own nest. The wiki has finally moved from being a source of information to some kind of passive-aggressive, UD version of Facebook. I'd rather have one person capable of making a mature decisions, unafraid to step on a few toes and deflate a few egos, than a gaggle of preening children. Disappointing. --[[User:Keith Drudgely|Keith Drudgely]] 17:58, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Grim was anything but "mature". Just saying. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 20:56, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::you should talk, cyberbob... actually, i do think grim was someone who worked hard for the wiki... and he'd dealt with idiocy for so long, he did snap... however, if only he'd handled things better over the long haul... le sigh... for what it's worth, the drama has pretty much caused me to quit the game, too... pathetic how seriously some people (myself included) take all this sometimes... and interesting how easy it is to walk away when the bad taste gets to be too much, and how little you miss UD when you do... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:36, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Biiig difference between being immature by choice and being immature by impulse, Wan. Also, WTF is with you and ellipses? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:18, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::~2 years till the next sysop snaps. I can understand where Grim was coming from though. It's very frustrating when people constantly attack you for no perceived reason, and eventually you *have* to snap, no one can sustain continued harassment. Grims misconduct case showed this, sysops calling for Grims demotion over something so minor was ridiculous. Unfortunately once a group of users has decided to attack you there's nowhere safe on the wiki, and eventually you are forced to leave until things cool off, which can be a long while, and difficult to do if you are a regular. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">11:35/13/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::::OR you could simply cease the unneccessary causticness that brought on all that ire and start acting with some degree of restraint rather than taking the easy route and trying to lay the blame on others. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:52, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Cyberbob's right, just because you weren't a victim of Grim's monster rampage doesn't mean it didn't happen. You should try to understand Jedaz, people didn't just rise against Grim for fun. We aren't idiots. If we were mindless idiots we would be playing Halo 3 and NFL 2009 instead of UD. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:58, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::It's called Madden you culturally ignorant fuck. Nah you're allllright. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:02, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::How dare you be here and not on IRC. You left me alone with those barbarians. >=[ {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::sorry sorry! I was spose to go to bed 21 minutes ago...hows a week tonight for you? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:19, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::@Cyberbob - What kind of restraint are you talking about? Restraint of language? I don't see anyone else restraining themselves. Restraint of Sysop powers? Well there wern't any successful misconduct cases about misuse. If you are talking about restraining yourself once you've snapped then you must be laughing. Don't get me wrong, Grims attitude didn't help the situation, but people making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't going to help either.<br />
::::::::@DDR - What has Grim done since June to have this "uprising" occur? Personally I didn't see Grim do anything outside of his regular behaviour (ignoring this most recent case), and the community has known about his behaviour for a long time and still elected him! Would the community still have rised up if this didn't occur? If not then it's just an angry mob and it would have cooled down eventually, where as an uprising would still have occured.<br />
::::::::Anyway, if either of you wish to continue this conversation I'ld suggest we move this to my [[User_talk:Jedaz|talk page]] rather then clog up Kevans. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:34/14/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::My point, Jedaz, was that if Grim was at all socially intelligent he would have realised that people weren't going to take his shit forever. If he wanted to prevent an explosion of the sort we saw he should've taken steps to improve his self-control. Blaming his completely unreasonable hissy fit (ZOMG IM GONNA LOSE MAI CRAT STATUS ALL MUST DIE) on the completely understandable reactions of everyone else is ridiculous. You need to take off the "I got yo back brotha!" goggles (you think I don't remember the circumstances of your demotion?) and take a step back to look at things realistically. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I supose you have a point. But I don't think you fully understand the reason I chose to be demoted (if you did then you wouldn't have brought it up). My point is if you don't have the support of the team you are working in then of course you are going to find it tough and eventually you are either going to quit or break. Nobody seems to care that it can actually get to this point. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:20/16/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::Cyberbob's right. Do you actually have a personal history with Grimsky? He has been planning this entire explosion for a very long time. He probably stretched out the time of the case so it could build up to a bigger explosion. He deliberately did this for his own ego. And yet you don't think he was unfit to be at the position he was at? Why argue with us more? Ask the entire community which demanded what we demand right now. I don't want to disrupt Kevan (I know your reading hun =]) So I'll stop here, no need to pursue justification. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::it was very calculated, there was a reason he chased away the other competent sysops, and crats, and meatpuppeted his crat "election". He was planning this "coup" for a while and was no lapse in judgement.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:30, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::I miss all of the good stuff. I believe what Anime is referring to is discussed [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|here]], with a now dead reference to [[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysop_Sub_Groups:The_Cheesy_Version#"With_less_than_10_active_sysops"|the original conversation here]]. You know, where he admits to hounding sysops such as Vista and Hagnat to get them to quit their positions. Coincidentally, after he got Hagnat to quit, he got elected as a Bureaucrat. No, obviously no long term plan in place.<br />
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:::::::::::Whoops. I guess it ''was'' a long term plan to get into power after all, huh? [[Image:Haw.gif]] --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:52, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::No way to prove this but on IRC Grim would often criticize my "hissy fits" of pissing people off for lulz and then brag about how he could do it better. I think AS remembers it, he often hung out in #udwiki. My point, he planned this. That wasn't impulse. Impulse is "DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING!!!" --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:07, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::Maybe they are talking about on a geological timetable. Or perhaps some people need to [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impulse%5B2%5D read more]. I do find it amusing that [[:Template:Grim Doom|this template]], which was meant as a joke, is closer to the truth than people like to believe. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::He made [[User:Grim_s/Sandbox/Thingamajig|these notes on attempting to scrap the system]] back in July, which included the idea that my veto power was a "problem" and should be revoked. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::That's kind of why I am confused how what [[User:Amazing|Amazing]] did was worse than this. There is a huge history of edits of Grim chasing users off of the wiki in order to attain the power he craved ([[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|'''by his own admission''']]), then kicks off the rest of the sysop team to implement his changes when he is threatened, yet he doesn't receive the same punishment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::You're confusing yourself, because the Amazing and Grim situations are totally different. Amazing wasn't a sysop when he earned his permban through the established VB escalation system, and it was also a long, long time ago. Most of the sysops ruling on Grims case had nothing to do with the wikigate farce. Careful what you wish for, Akule, [[Witch Burners]] arn't that picky, as you well know <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:35 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::::Oh, okay, so talking with Kevan about how Grim probably should have been permabanned for chasing away several good sysops, plotting to remove Kevan's veto power, and overthrowing the other sysops results with veiled threats of forcing me off the wiki from you. Gotcha. So, when are you going to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Amnesty&diff=next&oldid=1295384 "waah"] Kevan like you did Hagnat and the others? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:17, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::I'm not threatening to force you off the wiki, Akule. I'm trying to point out that if witch burners always got their way, Grim would be out, but so would you, long ago due to copyright-gate. And why the hell would I Wah Keven, you clown... you're the one doing the waaaaahing <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::It's cos deep down (very deep, in some cases) we've all got a soft spot for ol' grimchy.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::And the winner of the Speak For Yourself award goes to.... --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 08:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Ooo! ooo! I'm a shoo in for this one! Pick me! Pick me! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:58, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::Umm...Boxy? How is what Grim did similar to the Witch Burners? Our goal is to remove those who create mass amounts of drama on the wiki through vandalism, arby's, and other crap. We are the vigilantes that work where the sysops can't. Grim would have been a target of ours if we weren't so afraid of him banning us after labeling him a target. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:25, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Well, I was referring to the way Grim has become a targeted witch, actually, but he did use similar tactics, now you mention it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::::::::::::The problem Grim saw with Kevan's veto power was that Kevan's refusal to participate in the wiki and the absence of the threat of the use of that power was in and of itself damaging to the wiki and led to a lot of the crap that annoys all of us. It wasn't that Kevan had veto power but that Kevan wasn't willing to give that power any weight. You'd probably know that if you ever spoke to Grim outside of arguments.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:24, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::I did. Usually it was go back to an argument, mostly over stupid shit. Mentioning you like Star Wars would result in a vicious attack on why TIE Fighters can't make noise in space. I for one don't give a shit. Grim loved to create trouble over stupid shit. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:23, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::That wasn't directed at you Sonny.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:54, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::BUT GODDSDAMMIT TIE FIGHTERS CAN'T MAKE A NOISE IN SPACE!!!!!!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 18:28, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::fcuk u tehy can 2!!1!!!1one! --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::: obviously the whole star war universe takes place in a particle rich nebula that allows for both the transmission of sound and the really spectacular explosions...DUH! [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:07, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Well at least we don't have Real Gamer ruling the wiki.Grim did make a joke about a coup earlier in 2008 around the time the the dead did their rampage I believe.And by the way, according to the History Channel,if you were in space,the Death Star firing and destroying a planet is as less loud than you clicking your computer's mouse.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Coup Misconduct Resolution ==<br />
[[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Resolution.2FFinal_Ruling| Resolution]] of the Misconduct case due to the coup, Just an FYI for official notification. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== HP? ==<br />
Just stood up after a revive... Found myself at 20 instead of 30. another one of these unannounced changes? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:07, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:That would be a bug. Report it if it happens again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:24, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I like the NT scan tweak. Very classy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Grammar ==<br />
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You try to add some corrugated iron to the barricade, but can't find a place for them.<br />
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"Them" should be "it", or "corrugated iron" should be plural, so maybe "corrugated iron rods".<br />
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Hope this is in the right place, and I know you probably don't care that much about small gramatical errors but someone needs to point them out!<br />
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Feel free to downsize the image..I would but I need to run! {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 12:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Update ==<br />
I don't do this much and am actually on the side of criticizing updates as too much for false problems but this recent update has been something that has been long in the waiting. Thank You, this might actually get me playing my characters again.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:37, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll go along with that. Admittedly I'm far more easily-pleased than Karek and never stopped actively playing, but still, thanks for a great update. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:27, 17 October 2008 (BST).<br />
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== Privacy Policy ==<br />
Hi kevan, is there any chance of a Privacy Policy being written up regarding players IP's and emails. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:58, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:[[UDWiki:Privacy policy]] has been in the footer for a couple of years now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:13, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Sorry I did not make it clear, I meant in regards to the game, not the wiki.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 10:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Streetwalkin' cheetah with a heartful of napalm ==<br />
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A ruffian headbutted me for 1 damage today, as a human. Is this a new addition or am I slow? I basically came here to ask, Kevan, how does one headbutt? Is it a random occurance that may happen instead of excecuting the punch command? Just curious. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:22, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Heh. That would have been me, non? Headbutt works via ?actions, i simply installed a greasemonkey script that allows me to perform said action in harman form without using the ?action. Sometimes young ddr, the only way to fight fire is well, with fire ;) . --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:50, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::That would be biting with a mask while alive I assume. 'cause you can bite while alive but, for 1 damage.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:49, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like the shooting while a zombie cheat to me. That hasn't been fixed yet, has it? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:27 18 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::That was fixed just before April 1 this year, I remember because Red Rums April Fools plans were ruined.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 17:06, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::The only reason the shooting cheat got fixed was because enough people decided to whine about such a minor thing. No one really cares about this one and it's been known for a long long time. That being said the damage is reduced when trying to perform zombie actions while living, it's always punch damage and I think punch rates too.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:58, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Nah no mask, just 1 damage.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:55, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I wish to lay claim to be the first person to be headbutted for 1 damage by a harman. Then I'll be positively famous. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:52, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You aren't. Unfortunately i'm not original, i got the script that allows me to do this off viktor, first person i know of who got headbutted was Fiffy i think, check with Anime, he'll know! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:06, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Take it to [[Talk:Actions via "question marks"]], thanks kids... no need to bother Kevan with this. Basically all these attacks work as a punch with different flavour: they're all 25% to hit, 1 damage. And you're very late to the party, I know I and others have been doing this for 6 months or more. Pretty much from around the time ActOnProfile came out. <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:34, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And unlike shooting while a zombie...the damage able to be inflicted by this is minimal. I've been bitten by a harman before. It was hilarious. ;) --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 04:15, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aha! That sneaky gorilla's secret is revealed! At last the world makes sense again. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 05:09, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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/topic. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:31, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== so wait... new map? whats for monroeville? ==<br />
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2 questions....headshot on this map or?<br />
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and monroeville is at 260 poeple so im kinda wondering if theres anything left for it....<br />
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:First question, the first one to level 10'll find out. Question 2, get over it, there's been nothing there for ages...new city thyme :D --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Kazypoo1, Monroeville ''did'' die quite a while ago, in case you didn't notice... I thought it said 'permanent zombification' somewhere, and it only lasts a month, so I'm assuming its perma headshot. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::No, headshot doesn't mean permadeath in Borehamwood. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hello Kevan, quick question: The stats page currently displays the Monroeville numbers as {{udspan|(1023 standing survivors, 707 standing zombies, 43896 accounts created)}}. I take it this is Borehamwood numbers mixing with the old of Monroeville. So will we get separate stats for Borehamwood? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:So. That's basically 950 survivors against 200 zombies at the moment? Still I liked getting the rage. It was fun. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Good point. Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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With the new locations such as railway line(s) and petrol station(s), what do they bring to the game? Is their any new weapons/items? --[[User:Alcatraz311|Alcatraz311]] 15:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Was this why the server went down last night by any chance? =P -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Publicity of Big Brother house location ==<br />
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Greetings. I, amongst others, would like to know your opinion on publicity of the Big Brother house location on the wiki. Should it stay hidden or be revealed? --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 13:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Unless Kevan comes out and says otherwise, this is no different than any other location in the game. Removing it is in no way different to a group of trenchies removing [[Giddings Mall]] from the map in case [[MOB]] comes to visit. Information is free. Censorship is bad.<br />
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:This wiki is a game resource, not a vehicle for censorship so that certain players can increase their chances of winning a DVD.<br />
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:Also this information has already been disseminated to public UD forums and is available through public iwitnesses. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Had this talk with the Big Man before, and he said he has no problem with it. Actually, he imagined its coordinates would have been posted in a matter of hours on the wiki, and also broadcasted through radio and stuff like that. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's up to players how much information they share or conceal; I don't mind either way, in this case. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Wow... as if we don't get enough of the BB franchise on the idiot box, now we get huge BB eye's looking at us as we attack a mall in Malton? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:59 2 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:They'd only be there because someone chose to spraypaint them, but the graphic shouldn't have been showing up outside Borehamwood. This is now fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::OK, thanks. I have a particular hatred of the bastardisation of the original "big brother" concept that involves housemates <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:56 3 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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== Questions about your character ==<br />
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I assume this UD ID is yours, correct, UD ID-11? Well, I'd like to welcome you to West Grayside, though I don't appreciate the eating of so many brains. Also, I don't appreciate the Ninja Zombie status you seem to give yourself. we all know the military covers up things, but covering up their own skills? I scanned your zombie, listed as pre-death class Military, but you lack any military skills! So is just a sick joke, or is it a bug? Picture of scan here:<br />
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Thanks for checking.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Damn, that's a pretty smart catch! Bub is pretty famous among organized zombie players, and most folks know him for not having any human skills, but I never knew he was a "military class" character, as I've never seen the "living" version of his profile.<br>I doubt its a bug; G. Romeroe's "Bub" character was military. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 22:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::How did he get Military without any skills? .......... Oh wait.... Mad haxors skill... :P --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Bweing god of Urban dead helped as well; being able to defy the laws of logic and the 4rth dimension and whatnot. Wait whats his human account?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 03:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki Update ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if there any chance of getting wiki software updated? The latest version is v1.13 and there are several useful new features, including: <br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
It's not urgent or anything, but it would be nice if you could put it on your busy to-do list :D.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That sounds pretty cool. =) Can we get it for Christmas? Means you'd only have to get us one present between us this year, saving you quite a lot of money. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Image undeletion is enabled by default as well-useful for when sysops accidentally delete a useful image {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Black Holes of Borehamwood==<br />
Evening. There's a couple of squares in [[Borehamwood]] that are seemingly unscoutable. Namely deep river sections. Can you confirm there's nothing mysterious and shiny hiding in the depths, islands and the like? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'd just like to also say thank you for the charcoal briquettes barricade message. Brought a smile to my face.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazing ==<br />
I'v always owndered for these 2 years; what in the hell DID amazing do anyways? What grim did is easy to see because of the publicity and recentism of it but what EXACTLY did amazing do?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amount of characters in a broadcast ==<br />
I was wondering, Since I started the [[Galaxy News Radio]] i've found that the very small amount of characters you can use is at best, a thorn in my side, couldn't it be possible to make the transmission amount of characters the same as for speaking, it makes perfect sense really --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 21:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If you want to make a suggestion for an in game feature, take it by [[Developing Suggestions]] and get some constructive criticism before putting it up for voting. Although as far as i'm aware the character cap exists to limit spamming of radio channels.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Actually it's probably more of a necessary thing like the 50 people limit in normal speak is. Radio can't share that limiter because that would eliminate it's whole purpose so the only other ways to limit it is to put an upper end on how much you can say per day per channel.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::It's a possibility, but since character limits (as far as i'm aware) predates the need for limiting talking to 50 it seems odd.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
Okie i'll take this to the development pages, thanks for the feed back though guys {{unsigned|An unlucky guy|11:00, November 23, 2008}}<br />
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==Dead Set Competition== <br />
Can I assume that the prizes and all went off without a hitch so I can update the competition as a Past event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, the winners have been selected and contacted, and talking to the cameras in the diary room no longer has any effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Trade?==<br />
Sorry to bother you but I was wondering why survivors can't trade. This could lead to more eaisly avalible equipment, I think there would be a limit thou. Generators couldn't be traded etc. I think that it might help the humans in a bunch of Unbalanced claims. Players could not trade to same Ip address characters would stop cheating and it could lead to characters traveling round Malton selling there wares which would be fun to see. My regards it's a great game and I've got a bunch of my freinds playing now too. Thanks from me and them [[User:Athur birling]]<br />
:Heya. If you want to make a suggestion for an addition to the game you should go [[suggestions|here]]. In the meantime check out [[Frequently_Suggested#Giving_or_Trading_Items|this]] which explains why trading is generally seen as a bad idea. Anyway, welcome to the totally awesome UD wiki!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The [http://www.urbandead.com/faq.html#trade FAQ] does hint at trading, but he also says it will take lots of thought. I imagine the coding would be nightmarish too. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::you know what link? you're alllllllllllllllllright.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks {{unsigned|Athur birling}}<br />
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==Making a list? Checking it Twice?==<br />
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We getting a chrimbo update? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow? ==<br />
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Are you hiding it under your cap? Or NO SNOW FOR MALTON WINTER 08'? I miss mah flakie friends! --[[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 21:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:[http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a841/a841.gif Al Gore was right]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd like to put in another vote for snow! I missed the fog this year at Halloween and the snow really added some nice flavour in my opinion. --[[User:Queen Mum|Queen Mum]] 00:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Need moar snow. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== what, no more newspapers? ==<br />
they don't seem to be showing up in hospitals anymore. got rid of them, eh? any chance of them coming back, i love smacking people with 'em! :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:They should be somewhere else maybe? It was annoying with them in hospies. Luckily all ma guys have them already :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Still plenty of places to find [[newspapers]], guys. lrn2wiki. <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== I can't smash Xmas lights??? ==<br />
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Those darned Whos! I hate them!! But seriously, the option to smash christmas lights in a ruined building is not available. This is blatant discrimination against zombie scrooges. I protest! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:My apologies. I figured it out. :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hi, I'm a big fan. I finally found your talk page and I have a question, can you reinstall headshots in Monroeville as the humans think they can take down us zeds........--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leaving nice messages for Kevan is fine, however we have a system for suggesting improvements. Please go to [[Developing_Suggestions|Developing Suggestions]] and suggest it there. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 19:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Character Deleted == <br />
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I wanted to make sure that this [[Fixed_Bugs#Teleport_across_Malton_and_level_0_account||bug]] was fixed but it appears that it is not fixed. If you are on the edge of Malton and go to http:urbandead.com/map.cgi?v=100-99 it will mess up your character. I did this with my charachter Yark and now whenever I log in I can't perform any actions with him, and it seems his skills have been deleted: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815674 --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 20:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No! Yark! =( -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Just replicated it by going from 0,99 to 0,100 in New Arkham with a random throwaway I just made: [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1442227 Testy McTesterson]. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I hate to say it, I killed mister <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=142058 password]</span>. After more poking, I have observed even more; Couple of AP and permadeath, I'm the first to go from Spicer Hills to Dakerstown instantly. I'll work out more details when my IP hits refresh, as I just used a proxy that I didn't much like. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::<nowiki>:</nowiki>'( --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::password will live on. (and probably be revivificated) Also, what about 100-100? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::[[:Image:Testy.jpg|We're alive!!]] =D We're level 0 and we've got a zombie chewing on us, but we're alive!! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Fixed. I've dropped Yark into a random, secure building, and given the character 1000XP to get up and running again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The bug? Or Yark? password and Testy are level 0.. The bug was interesting, odd behaviour, but it would be nice if after a server reset you could be free to move again. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 18:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The bug. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 18:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Project Namespace ==<br />
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we have few projects, yet i was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting to have them in their own namespace. Thus projects like [[The Great Mall Project]] and [[ALiM]] would be located in [[Project:The Great Mall Project]] and [[Project:ALiM]]. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but "Project" is a builtin alias for whatever the name of the wiki is (here it's "UDWiki"). e.g. [[Project:Administration]] is the same as [[UDWiki:Administration]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Darn, forgot about that. Maybe in the plural then, [[Projects:The Great Mall Project]] --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::That would just be confusing.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Just Plain Vanity ==<br />
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Any chance of a {{Udspan|''' Dermot O'Leary was still alive and active one month into the Borehamwood quarantine.'''}} ? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== about the admin team ==<br />
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how do you feel about the current sysop team of the wiki ? do you have any problems with how we run things ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:does he give a fuck? recent history would suggest probably not. Stop fishing for compliments hagnat. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:okay that came out a little harsh, but i don't see why you want to bring kevan into this other than for your own gratification. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Hedging much? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 13:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::It's pretty easy to predict what he's going to say. Why would he complain? You can't have nothing to do with your own games wiki then rock up and say 'i hate the way you people run it' and then disappear again. Unless he wants to get involved in the wiki again kevan ''can't'' say he has a problem with the way they run it. Although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Easier than that, last time someone asked him to weigh in on promotions his response was that he basically didn't want his opinion brought into the matter. So No Comment is probably the best bet.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I think Hagnat's concerned for his sysop status. I would be too if I was a ''trusted user'' that was acting against the wishes of the community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop right there Iscariot! I am sick and tired of you constantly saying that every sysop on the team is going agaisnt the wishes of the community! Most of the community never has a problem with the current admin team, and when they do it's rarely a huge problem. Now you come on Kevan's page and still continue the bad mouthing. Just face it, no matter what you will never be pleased with the administration and so you will constantly have to pretend that the whole community is on your side so that you will feel right in your head.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::How many people are there playing the game? How many are on this wiki? Yes, some people don't have time to spend on anything other than playing the game, but how many people are putting hours a day into the meta game and ''still'' won't touch this wiki without an exceptional reason? And how many of those people have told you that the current administration team is one of the primary reasons? My total ''will'' beat yours. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Get it off Kevan's page. He doesn't need to be bothered with a dispute between users. Have it out on each others talk pages, or even mine, just don't start bringing it here. Okay?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 01:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I know, I'm sorry. I just wanted to counter Iscariot's comment because I know exactly what he's trying to accomplish by posting that. I, unlike Iscariot, am done here now.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Much as I hate the way Iscariot is going about his crusade I have to say he does have a point. The sysop team probably does not represent the view of even a large minority of players and that explains why so few players contribute. Not that i think its all the Admin teams fault, but the rules they follow and enforce reflect a community that no longer exist. Most sysops were promoted long before most current players even heard of the game yet the tag "trusted user" is still attached to the title "SYSOP". Few current wiki users vouched for them and fewer still of the actual player base and yet they still cling to positions claiming that "popular" votes undermine the system! They are right that popularity does not mean competence but... Franky i find it a bit odd that sysops can claim the label "trusted user" and not be willing to allow the community to confirm that label. Look back to Conn's promotion bid, or Boxy's or Hagnats or even Kareks and even without checking i can say with confidence that at least half those that vouched are no longer active.... Now i personally '''Would''' vouch for them all but my point is that they were not voted in by the current community and the claims that they are trusted users wear very thin in light of the fact that they do not seem willing to trust the communities opinion on pretty much any issue!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The sysop team doesn't have to represent the view of a large majority of players, it only has to represent the view of the wiki community. Whenever I play a browser game I don't always sign up to their forums/wiki/whatever they have. A large portion of users probably won't bother contributing to the wiki because so many other users already are. If I was to ask you, "what needs contributing to on the wiki?", I'm sure you probably won't have many answers. The only things of note are suggestions and suburb reports, and not everybody is interested in that (and the drama which comes with each of them). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:26/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::I have a few, if you want a list feel free to pester me some time.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 02:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree that the only bits of the wiki that interest most players are the Maps, suggestions and suburb reports (I include maps because i assumed you had forgotten them?) that said i do think that the system is set up to support the views of long time players (contributors) rather than the new players who are actually the lifeblood of the game. While obviously the wiki needs to pay some attention to long time editors like me,wan,cyberbob,ahlg,etc... i would think it would be far more important to promote the wiki to new uers. I still play (and i hope/assume that those named do too) and i would hope that everyone on the admin team does to but it has to be said that without change the game becomes dull and people leave. If the wiki and its admin team does not reflect the changing demographic of the game it is missing what is surely a fundemental point for its existence?--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I remembered the maps, but I did not include them because there is very little to nothing which a new user can contribute to (which is what I'm focusing on). I agree, we should encourage new users to join and contribute, however most of the other work is maintence which doesn't exactly draw the crowd. If you have an idea which would encourage new productive users to sign up then I'ld like to hear it. I'ld be more then happy to help flesh out any ideas you may have. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:50/16/01/2009</span>]]'''</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=1363908User talk:Kevan2009-01-16T02:26:26Z<p>Jedaz: /* about the admin team */</p>
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==Monroeville Airlift==<br />
Hi Kevan,<br />
I am one of the few remaining survivors in Monroeville. With the Christmas update being implemented, I was curious to know if I set up a Christmas tree and some lights in a building for a few days, would a Helicopter come by and take my character to Malton? I don't want to do something in vain that could end up killing my character that has survived for ten months... <br />
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:hey Evildiehard, i'm The Last Unlucky Guy, we were in harvey's group together, i like that idea, can i get in on it too? Getting my character out of Monroeville would be great, i've grown too attached to him and if i got killed, especially after going solo, and survivng for this time, it would really suck :( --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==clothing suggestions==<br />
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Hi, long time no see. I've got another question about clothing. I see that you haven't implemented any new clothing for almost a year and the pages in question are receiving little to no traffic. Are you still in need of new Clothing ideas [[Clothes/Suggestions|Suggestions]] or can I close the page and move everything into their relevant archives?--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Will donate for awesome clothing ==<br />
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Basically, I was just wondering that if I donated $50AU or something, that maybe you might code in some blood-proof clothing, just for moi? I mean, it's a decent chunk of funds as all... --{{User:Medico/sig}} 01:30, 26 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Broken Wiki page ==<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1271116&oldid=1270525<br />
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The page I want is the last edit that I made for if, and I have no idea what went wrong. Someone directed me here... --<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span></font><sup> [[User_talk:Haliman111|T]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 00:44, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Iwitness typo==<br />
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Got really bored, and noticed there was a typo.<br />
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"What does it mean if a record is PUBLIC or PRIVATE?<br />
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Public records are just that- anybody can (if they take the time to look) find them and look at the information they contain. Private records are hidden in directories whose contents are not open to the public view, and the random number string appended to the end of the file name makes it impossible for anybody to find them through luck or accident. "Private" records are in fact so hard to locate that if you don't record their location, '''you'll never them again'''. That's OK when you just want to share a quick secret with some friends in a private chat room or secure forum, though- just copy the link and paste it somewhere you and you friends can find it, but others will not see it!<br />
User accounts do provide a way to retrieve all of the private records a user creates while logged into that account, so while still quite private, they are not going to vanish. User accounts also potentially allow for other levels of security; all of these are essentially private records that only certain people can see, or which do not display all of the details of the record in order to protect the privacy and safety of "innocent bystanders". <br />
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--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup></font> 15:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Check your talk page, {{usr|Haliman111}}. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:36, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Suicide Repair ==<br />
Most of the time it isn't easy to let a building reach the higher levels of decay and takes the effort of multiply zombie players. Lately as more buildings reach higher level of decay we see a raise in suicide repairs. Where survivors just spent all their AP and more to repair a long time ruined building and prepare to get eaten and revived. If suicide repairing was not what you where going for with the implemention of decay, please consider changes like: <br />
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a)Make it impossible to spent more AP on repairing than are left to this character, and probably setting a cap at 45AP as a maximum for decay. <br />
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or b)Repair only removes some part of the decay level and not all at once. Probably like tearing down barricades.<br />
--[[User:Experiment211|Experiment211]] 21:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I second option B. Option A could be exploited by people who wait until they have 2 or 3 AP left before running in to repair for 1 or 2 AP. B makes a lot of sense, I think. --[[User:Drugsanimudongs|Drugsanimudongs]] 17:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Errr... I read your suggestion wrong, Experiment211. Ignore my exploit theory! I still support B, though.<br />
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== Database error on the wiki ==<br />
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I have been getting the following message after making edits: <br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry '20534' for key 1 (localhost)".<br />
Retrieved from "http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category_talk:Historical_Groups"<br />
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The edits seem to be working, however. This bug just took place twice on the Historical Groups Talk/Voting page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:13, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I just got one on the same page. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ditto. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:06, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Happened to me too today.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:57, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Database error<br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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from within function "". MySQL returned error "1194: Table 'searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)".<br />
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Is also appearing when searching brain rot in the Suggestions and Talk Suggestions namespaces.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Erg. I've had some server trouble lately, I'll take a look at it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:21, 27 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yesterday it was still doing this... It's rare as of late, it seems-- it was happening with almost every edit for a bit there -- but it *did* happen yesterday again.... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
:::Just hit the same after searching for brain in images. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:21, 3 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I've repaired the database, it should be okay now. Let me know if any error messages still creep through, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==A Little Idea for Group Affiliations==<br />
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I've had an idea and would like to submit it for your consideration. Would it be possible to add in the option of a URL link added to a player's group affiliation, a la the current system with the 'Real Name' links? This would be very useful for players looking to join a group and for groups looking to recruit players, especially zombie groups who lack the ability to spray-paint places without death-culting. Whilst the RN link is used by some, myself included, for recruitment, more likely than not the majority will simply not bother clicking it after the first few times they have done that on a profile have taken them to YouTube songs or Rick-rolls. A link under the group affiliation would draw more desirable attention. <br />
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There are two ways in which I could see this working: The first is to have the group affiliation act in the same way as the Real Life link, with the player choosing the URL; the second would be to have the GA act as the list of confirmed groups on the stats page does: An automatic link to the wiki page of said confirmed group. My personal belief is that the latter would be the superior option, so as to avoid abuse via unsavoury links which would undermine trust in the system (this is of course going under the assumption that you have a system which makes the links appear automatically on the stats page, rather than having to add them all in yourself of course).<br />
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Just my thought for the early morning. <br />
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Regards. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 04:37, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Please make your suggestions here: [[:Category:Current Suggestions]]. Seriously Moloch, you have been around long enough to know how suggestions are handled. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:40, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::FWIW, my personal version of 'ActOnProfile' already modifies the group name to be a link to the wiki page for that group. Its pretty handy, even if just to find out the group has no page. A fancier GM script could easily determine if the page actually exists, and not make it a link if it doesn't, which would be nice. Server side code could likely do the same thing better. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:02, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Copyright question ==<br />
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after playing Urban dead I had an idea making it into a warcraft 3 map and before I release 1: may I release a map made by maps and the same idea of urban dead and with its name/s 2: are there any requires you want? for example I could advertise for the site every 5 mins(I can have the map do that for me)I have all ready given credit to Urban dead and if you want I can give direct credit to you also<small>—The preceding {{wikipedia|Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages|unsigned}} comment was added by [[User:Undeadpope|Undeadpope]] ([[User talk:Undeadpope|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Undeadpope|contribs]]) 23:42, 6 August 2008.</small><br />
:l2english.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:34, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:If it's clearly presented as an unofficial fan project, and isn't making any money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:51, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==IP hits and construction==<br />
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If I repair a badly damaged building (15ap etc.) Is that one IP hit or 15? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:32, 9 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'd be one. it's a measure of how many times you refresh the map page not ap. The only exception (as far as i'm aware) is syringe manufacture which is 20.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I thought i was getting more than my regular action. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:32, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Is that confirmed or just a guess?--<span style="cursor:crosshair">Kooks</span> 22:50, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::It's certainly incorrect. I repaired a building costing 134ap and still had more than enough IP hits to play my other characters.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville and headshot==<br />
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All the high level survivors I know (about 30) have been holding out for the return of perma-death headshot with the quarantine. I see the quarantine is back, but everything still says that headshot is not permanent. Is this the case? If you're not bringing it back then you might as well close down the server or at least tell us officially. Because as currently constituted only one side can win, and though we could probably prolong things indefinitely I fail to see the point.<br />
--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 03:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:I couldn't agree more with this post. Staying alive as a member of an organized group in Monroeville is possible but it takes a large amount of coordination and effort. I fail to see the "game" part of current Monroeville on the survivor side, something permanent headshot would bring to the table. If balance is an issue, I'm sure the zombie side would love to have non-curable Infectious Bite. --[[User:Calem|Calem]] 10:09, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::The evidence of the most recent opening of Monroeville suggests that it takes about 6 weeks for the city to go from totally survivor-dominated to totally destroyed with the survivors on the run and hiding in the wreckage. Therefore, it seems to me that the most fun and interesting way to do it would be to run Monroeville in cycles. Every five to six weeks or so switch the rules to give one side or the other the advantage. So, having now had an extened Zombie Friendly period of time, you allow the Survivors to have their turn for a month and a half with closed borders and "permanent" (until the next cycle) headshot. Then re-open it to new admissions with the usual "Zombies stand back up" rules for a month and a half, then close it again and so on and so forth. That way, both sides always have something to look forward to and there's always something to plan for. Frankly, this solution still favors the Zombies somewhat in that a dead Survivor still never gets a chance to come back to life, but its significantly more fair than the current situation where Survivors can never repair a building for more than a couple of days before getting buried under a tide of zombies. While that may accurately reflect the desperate conditions of the later Dead movies and some of the supporting fiction, its not much fun to be a Survivor under these circumstances, and this is a game. --[[User:jng2058|jng2058]] 12:54, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Agreed. Right now Monroeville is only a game of attrition with an inevitable (tedious) end. Maybe that's in keeping with Romero's cannon, but it puts survivors in an unwinnable position and leaves the zombies without enough challenge to stave off boredom. If the game's going to be left open, then since zombies are in the advantage right now (by 4:1) why not restore headshot and see what happens? [[User:CoopVancer|CoopVancer]] 21:34, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Actually Coop- if you think about it- zombie take over isn't necessary canon in the zombie/post-apoc genre nor Romero canon, but merely an outcome of the core theme. What destroys the humans isn't the zombies, which are fairly weak, but their failure to overcome their individual self interest and cooperate. Restoring headshot would work now consistent with the canon. Headshot is something survivors learn with experience. At present, most of the survivors, don't have the XP to have headshot. <br />
::::: So I guess this is down to a test of wills then? Of humanity? How long can humans survive before break down, succumb to anarchy, or make a mistake and get eaten? '''We will not.''' Survivors will not descend into madness. We will survive under these horrible conditions! '''We will be ever vigilant!''' ''(until an emergency comes up in real life, then we're pretty much zombie-food)'' [[User:Bystander|Bystander]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Bystander, I recommend the buddy system. Give someone in your group your PW so they can move you in an emergency.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 00:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your reading is correct that perma-headshot isn't returning.--[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Will there be any type of reward for x number of survivors remaining? ==<br />
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I'm just going to say the only reason to ask this is because what the point of trying to survive if the hoard of zombies will eventually take over all? All i want to know is there anything that actually would give hope to the survivors?<br />
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:Yeah, it would be nice if the last 100 survivors were transported to Malton with text like "NAME survived the second Monroeville quarantine." or "NAME was one of the last 100 to die in Monroeville." on their profile page. --[[User:BetterLuck|BetterLuck]] 23:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::I hope something happens that's good at least for survivors, now they outnumber us way too much now--[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 15:44, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Monroeville Characters ==<br />
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I was just wondering if you had any plans for allowing players to have their Monroeville character's account moved to Malton. I just want to know because I happen to really like my MV character from an RP perspective and would like to play as him in a city that isn't completely ruined and dead... or at least use his name for a character in Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 03:08, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:No - you can transfer donation flags, but not characters. If you want to roleplay the same character in Malton, just create a new account with a slightly different name. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
How do you transfer donation flags from a Monroeville character to a Malton one? Thanks. --[[User:Alias81|Alias81]] 13:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just go to your "settings" page and enter a name. I've now added this to the [http://urbandead.com/faq.html#monroedonate FAQ]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Don't fucking jimmy me, jules. ==<br />
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I swear that 84 minutes almost pushed me over the brink...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:34, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, it looks like the wiki backups are pushing the server over the brink as well, from sheer weight of data, to the point of actually overheating the machine. I'm going to have to do another archive-history purge, as it's been a long time since the last one. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::NOOOOOO! Not the memories! Take anything but the memories! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:30, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::What about all teh lulz?!?!?!?!? Jed! ACTIVATE LULZ PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. CODE RED!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:44, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::OMG DID YOU SAY <big><big><big><big><font color="red">CODE RED?!?!?!?!</font></big></big></big></big>--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Good man. You'll do me proud yet. btw Kevan we just bought UD shirts so hopefully that means you don't have to go ahead with this "purging" business...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:48, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yeah i've thrown my best days into UD and my best money too. The least you could do is buy more server space so that a purge need never happen again. What if we need to check back over to see who made an edit? Or find long lost lulz? I mean [[2 Cool]] have a variety of quality projects using that space. [[ALiM]], [[ELiM]], [[Great Fire of 1912]], [[Sir Dick Longman]], [[Suburb Nicknames]], [[Colloquialisms]] and [[Malton Girl on Girl Parade]] all spring to mind. Of course there are many many more worthy pages created in the name of [[Kevanism|Kevan]], this is just a tasty sampling.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:53, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Stop blatantly spamming your endless vomit pile of useless wiki projects.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 11:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Quality projects using the ''page history'' space? If there's something good in there that's been deleted for wiki policy reasons, can't you host it somewhere else where people will actually find it? --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well if there is that's what we'll do. By the way - whilst I'm here, can I get your thoughts on [[ALiM|this page]]. Totally just out of interest and not fishing for an endorsement to stick in the first sentence of the article... And did you purposely give some of the locations amusing names or was it all the result of some cosmic event?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:22, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Also thanks for the recognition that they are in fact quality. And yes page history contains lols and should be kept for this reason. For example [[User:J3D/lol@finis|this particular work]] would never have been possible if page histories weren't kept. [[Save Page Histories]], i think i smell a 2C wikiproject coming on...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:32, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Ah that smell. I know her well.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Just wondering if there's a time-frame for this, there's an administrative Archive of Two we need to finish up before it happens, shouldn't take more than a few hours each.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Turns out that it might just be the A/VB talk archives.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::What in the name of all things holy is an archive history purge? Do i need to be in the brace position? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Look at the contribs of an older member, like myself. Ive ben around and posting since october 2005. you will see pretty much nothingb that old. A history purge is just that, a deletion of all revisions older than a certain age from the database. Its one of the reasons we make archive pages. Histories can get seriously huge, especially on larger, more active pages. For examples of the biggest, try A/VB and Talk:Suggestions --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 18:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Cheers Grimbo. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:06, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Couldn't Kev just get rid of the bigs one then? Talk suggestions is a particularly useless page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:08, 22 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'll be some time during September, and it'll be clearing out to a specific date (probably everything over a year old). If you need me to hold off while some admin archives are made, let me know. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I believe we finally got them all done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:17, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Maybe we do need to lose some of our precious memories...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Is barricading affected in dark buildings? ==<br />
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Would you be able to resolve [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Dark#barricading_success_is_also_affected_by_dark this question], please? (i.e. is there an effect in dark buildings on barricading success?) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:05, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:As Midi said, you should try doing your own research on this inquiry first. It seems like you haven't even checked by yourself. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 14:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's based on chance - sorta hard to get solid evidence when it could just be called "bad luck". Sometimes you have to go to the source to find out if you're just having a shitty day or if it's some game mechanic that's actually stopping you from hitting all those zeds at the local RP... I mean... er...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 14:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aeon, I ''did'' "check for myself"... As in. I've experienced it numerous times in-game... Then I went to Brainstock, asked around for a second opinion, and got one... But that wasn't good enough for you people... So I decided to ask Kevan, himself -- especially since Nallan kind of has a point, and since it's not easy to find the conditions to conduct the experiment... In any event, I managed to find a place to try it: I posted the results on the Darkness talk page. However, a quick word, yea or nay, from the designer really would be appreciated... Now... none of this "discussion" was necessary, not here, stop spamming this page, sheeesh. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:14, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You typed more than the first three comments combined. And you complain about spamming? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:31, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, there is an effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== theres 98 survivors in monroeville what now? ==<br />
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what is going to happen now? is there anything left for the survivors other than to just run or make a last stand? is there anything for staying alive till the end. --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Stay alive I guess. --[[User:Federationtrooper|Federationtrooper]] 22:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:umm the count jumped UP TO 100, what just happened? --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 03:50, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::And it's 101 now. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 05:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Idled characters standing up, most likely. Hellooooo. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:11, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Yes, idlers. So, will all characters be deleted completely? Should we make a last stand? What will happen to the accounts? Will there be permaneny links to the diaries, that can still be obtained after the accounts are deleted? Knowing the basic plan will help us figure out what we should be doing.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::If I recall correctly, at some point the game will be shut down. I mean ''shut down''. At which point Kevan has said that any donations on MV alts will be transferable to Malton. He has hinted that he might allow MV alts to be moved to Malton once it's shut right down -- although I haven't noticed anything like this in a while, maybe he's changed his mind? I dunno... My advice, personally is to wait and see... Possibly Kevan doesn't even know yet how he'll wrap it up. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::I'm [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Kevan#Monroeville_Characters pretty sure] that MV characters won't be transferable to Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 01:49, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Okay, but what will happen to the actual accounts though? What would happen if I tried to login with it after the map ends? Will the diary be preserved?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:59, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Aren't they (donation tags) already transferable? i'm pretty sure they should be. --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Donations are transferrable, and accounts aren't - it was always going to be one or the other, and donations seemed more appropriate. Profiles and diaries will be kept in perpetuity. And given how little difference there is between shutting the city down entirely and leaving it open for zombies to mill aimlessly around in, I might just leave it open. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fair enough? Any chance of us active zeds getting another tag in our profiles? Ive noticed those survivors still active have got one. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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For what? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 19:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like this [[http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1147825]], one like ''blah was an active zombie one month into the 2nd quarantine. '' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Again, I ask, "For what?" For staying active? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 23:35, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Sorry. yep.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::You knew when you signed up that it was not going to be a permanent map. And you knew the basic rules of the game, as well. You ''knew''... Now, deal with it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== FAQs addition? ==<br />
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I don't know why you haven't gotten around to it, but here you can even find a pretyped one to add. It's a quick, simple addition...<br />
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http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Add_encumbrance_section_to_the_FAQs<br />
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Also, I'm not trying to bother you, but could you check the bugs page and try to deal with some of those issues? I noticed my moved-outside reports already in the known bugs section, and that sounds like a creepy one that's been happening to a number of people. I also see a number of other bugs commonly happening, with no hint of what's going on. Thanks.<br />
--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Once again...[[PR_UI:_Sub_Pages#Tips_about_encumbrance|dupe]]. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:28, 30 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::That's why I wondered why he hasn't gottena round to it yet. It's been around a while, and it seems pretty needed.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:04, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Enough is enough ==<br />
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I know you don't want to deal with this kind of stuff... yeah yeah yeah... But please just ''look'' at [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.180 this post]. Just quickly... <br />
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Enough is enough, already. '''Please''' ban open proxies from accessing Urban Dead, because this is just too common -- and if anything is going to kill this game and the community it's zerging. There is a massive level of frustration over zerging, though honestly it's not brought up because people are fatalistic, figuring you're not going to do anything about it. But there are people willing and able to assist with the coding, with helping to set this up, you just need to say "Yes" to getting the ball rolling. Please consider it, consider ''something''... Because it's a serious problem ((that is, the use of proxies). And, unfortunately -- unless there is something huge we are all missing -- it's a problem that your abuse detection algorithms just can't deal with... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just to add... This guy in the post I linked to likely had his alts banned, and just kept making more and more to replace them... which, if true, shows that algorithm works against ''"normal" multi-abusers.'' But when you're dealing with proxies, you can completely circumvent those algorithms. And that's the problem... Active players usually encounter at least a couple ''obvious'' "zerg teams" every week... And a lot more less obvious but suspicious ones... It's very frustrating for those who try to play "by the book"... And while we generally just "shrug and bear it", still... I'm not going to bother you with this anymore now, but I really felt it was high time to bring this your attention, and to speak out for the many people who are so frustrated by the prevalence of zerging in Urban Dead. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:17, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm going to take the liberty of seconding the above on behalf of both the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]] and [[Columbine Kids]], two fair-playing teams that I lead who encounter zerg teams weekly. Whether something comes of this or not, I just want to add our voices. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 18:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ha. The only topic on the page not address by Kev on Sept 3. Come on man an least a reply saying you cbf would be nice...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:03, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Sure, I'll take a look at any ideas or technologies people have got. I'm not aware of any silver bullets that don't also turn up false-positives for people on weird ISPs or who have a misleadingly-configured home network, but would be happy to be proven wrong. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:29, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Interesting Tangent: Speaking of silver bullets, i recently found out that all that stuff from days yonder referring to silver bullets and there use in banishing monsters is actually ambiguous as to if it's talking about actual silver, or mercury (which was known as quicksilver at the time). so yeah, you may in fact be unaware of any mercury bullets. Just keep that in mind when banishing foes.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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There was a discussion on Beerhah.com about this... Where some people were attempting to seriously address the issue and then come to you with some solutions. Sadly, interest seemed to wane once Finis Valorum apparently left the game... However, I am going to copy what was probably the most relevant and hopefully most useful post in that discussion. As you'll see, the solution was not an algorithm and/or set of "suspicious" IPs, etc. -- which I gather was you were talking about above? Rather, the main idea it was using a list of known proxies and simply banning them. I actually think the wiki sysops have a pretty long list of banned proxies, for a start perhaps that could be used... <br />
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And, no solution is going to perfect. There will ''always'' be holes, always ways around whatever measures you impliment. As the post I'll copy discusses. That, I think, is pretty well understood. However, the point is to make it as difficult as possible for people to cheat. Open proxies are just ''too easy'' to find and use... Now, I don't know if paying for a proxy list is going to be effective, or a waste of money, considering how much these things change, apparently -- that's something someone with the right knowledge would have to decide. Anyway, I'm place the text of the post on [[User talk:WanYao| my Talk page]] for you to look at. Thanks for your time. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:21, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Sadly, we've got no follow up response yet... Kevan, are you listening? Just as another case in point, look at this... yeah I ''know'' what you say... But just look... I think you need to... I don't want to be a "bitch" about this... But I am really, really hoping we can find some way to address the zerging issue, and this requires a dialogue with you... <br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_7-1__644-f97-77b.html<br />
http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_8-1__0c7-19c-2b9.html<br />
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LOLz at my insane typos notwithstanding (i meant "flayed alive") .... This is sadly typical... We see this stuff all the time: here, 4 alts, at least, 2 each in adjacent buildings, from someone with a whole slew of "mithra" alts, many more than these 4, many of them previously spotted together -- this guy is familiar to us... We've presented some ideas for dealing with zergs like this, there is a discussion on the [[AZM]] Talk page... Will you work on this? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:08, 12 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Kevan, please do this: community appointed UD moderators. These trusted moderators will ban obvious zerging reported by players. To investigate zerging only basic information is needed: history of when the zergs all logged in, and how long they've been around each other. 95% of zergers are stupid and lazy and will be caught this way. No permanent bans, just temporary ones. Enough to make the zergers life difficult. --[[User:Rupert|Rupert]] 19:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:COMMUNITY appointed? You're joking, right? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 21:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'm kind of new, so forgive me if this is stupid... Am I correct in assuming that a lot of these zerg characters are level 1, or to a lesser degree level 2 that seldom level up or even gain XP but are used as scouts. If that's the case then I would think that any ''real'' account is going to gain XP and level up within reasonable time periods. If that's the case then would purging level 1 & 2 characters that don't level in say a month get rid of a lot of zergs? Or is there a legitimate reason for accounts within these parameters? --[[User:Mvario|mvario]] 01:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Most zergs (despite the name) do infact end up leveling up, check out all the [[GTFO]] zergs for an example. The one's that do stay at lvl 1 and 2 are throw aways that won't be used again anyway, so deleting them wouldn't have any effect except to free up the account name to be used by another player. And that is something Kevan has said he doesn't want as it would cause confusion. Also lol @ my post up there ^ from Sept 5.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Last Major Change to this page? ==<br />
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When was the last major change to this page made, the one where months pf posts were cleared off and the number of topics reset to 0 (I assume 0)?. What about the Suggestions Development Page, where the Overflow section used to be? I'm trying to find certain old stuff, and I need to know those important dates to do so...thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:07, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=prev&oldid=1241305]]This? You can chust check yourself by looking in the history tab at the top of each page. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:27, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:That link's no good.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::There was a history purge so links to old edits don't work. However purges aside he's right, if you need to find an old version of the page use the history tab at the top.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Dear Kevan: ==<br />
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<span style="color: #800000; font-family: Times"><center>You may try to tear down our barricades, devour our friends and allies, destroy our home... But we ''will'' prevail. Your efforts will be met with the stalwart defense that Barrville has maintained for these three years, and with our community at our sides, you must eventually accept defeat. You will go down, Kevan... and we'll put you there. And we'll do it oldschool; With our fists, With our boots, with lead pipes...<BR>And yes, with Axes. We shall not be put down.<BR>'''We Are AXES HIGH'''<br />
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E Cinerebus, Gloriam --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 16:13, 5 September 2008 (BST)</center></span><br />
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:'''''HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!''''' [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Okay, I actually thought it was quite the honour to be eaten by Kevan... but none the less worthy of an overtly trenchy and overdramatic comment. - --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 20:46, 23 September 2008 (BST)<br />
==Database errors==<br />
We are getting some infrequent, but still painfully annoying database errors. Last night when i was trying to edit [[A/VD]] i couldnt because of them, and we lost two current revisions on a page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASpacer_one%2FAthair_bas&diff=1270526&oldid=1270400 here] to them as well. Can you please take a look and find out whats going on? --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 21:51, 10 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Noted. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:43, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like we lost a handful of page revisions during the history purge; I'll look at restoring them this afternoon. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:08, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Okay, fixed, the handful of pages that were affected are stable now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==About the proxy issues...==<br />
this site: http://www.gmodtop100.com/ had a similar iddue which involved everyone giving themselves votes using proxyies from proxy.org Recently the website restted all the lists and when I tried to give hits to my gmod clan, I discovered that by some sort of meckanism they had managed to block proxies from being able to vote. I know they hadn't simply banned them because even my top secret proxy was blocked and I had never used it to access the website before. Maybe if you could get in contact with this "Pulsar effect" guy we could finally end this. [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It's really not as simple as some people seem to think. Web-based CGI or PHP proxies, or even SOCKS/HTTP proxies, are merely the tip of the iceberg – anyone with any decent technical expertise or friends with same can bypass any proxy list you care to come up with. Sure, it might be helpful, but it won't be a silver bullet, as Kevan alluded to above. Either way, we'll need to continue with [[ZHU|community-based]] [[GTFO|solutions]], as well as any additional technological measures that may be implemented. And remember... {{cquote||It may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma... which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve.''|Edgar Allen Poe}}{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And...{{cquote||Some things are not problems to be solved, they are facts to be coped with.''|Anonymous}} --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:23, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Future history wipes==<br />
Would it be possible leave a few more months worth of page histories next time a wipe is done? It's making it very hard to evaluate and track deletion requests, vandal histories and the like when histories just weeks old are missing, making it especially difficult to determine who should have "ownership rights" of group pages. Loosing histories will always be a problem, but the problem can be lessened significantly if you could keep it to older edits <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:56 20 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Or a portion of the oldest edits on a page(like the first 5 if possible).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And maybe a backup for the suburb danger status, using that sql code i sent you last time... heh... too bad i only found out about this wipe weeks after it occured, or i would have asked you to make the backup before the wipe. Bugger. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 03:14, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== I'm wishing for headshot.... ==<br />
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maybe for those left in monroeville should have something, like headshot, cause look at whats left... [[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:53, 4 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:The problem with that is to use headshot, you need to interact with zombies. A lot of the zeds left metagame, and all you'd do is draw others to your location. So yes. Bring it back. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I agree, running from zeds is getting old. I imagine they must be pretty bored as well. If not perma-death, how about headshot drops AP to zero. Otherwise we'll continue this war of attrition. Also shouldn't we get new badges? It would be cool if we had an incentive to keep playing besides making the zeds look impotent.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== ALiM's Birthday Party ==<br />
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You've been cordially invited to attend ALiM's birthday party at [[Club Head]] at 10am GMT on the 18th of October. Festivities will last for a full 24 hours. See [[Talk:Amusing_Locations_in_Malton#ALiM_PARTY.21.21.21|here]] for more details, oh divine master.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 02:15, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Misconduct ==<br />
I figure you are already aware of whats going on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#User:Grim_s| Here] but figured you should be formally informed. The final decision of the community has not been reached, but the general consensus will at the very least include the Bureaucrat status being removed from Grim. More may or not follow depending upon deliberations. Thank You. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:25, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:You have provided no evidence of misconduct. This is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:18, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Grim pipe down, everyone knows what you think and we also happen to know what Conn thinks. I can appreciate you're pissed off but can you not write the same boring ass one line all over the place, at least i nice tl;dr wall for old times sake ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:33, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Its not a boring arse line. Its a simple fact. All accusations of abusing the status of sysop as abadge of authority to force ones wishes on the community '''must''' come with '''clear evidence''' over a '''substancial period of time'''. So far no such evidence has been presented, and all my requests that it be have been soundly ignored by all concerned. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:36, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Conveniently all such evidence was wiped by Kev yestermonth, so i guess it falls down to your word against his/theirs. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Evidence already posted would still be present, easily visible to all who try a basic search. In any case, as [[user:Revenant]] has said, this is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Court Kangaroo Court], nothing more nothing less. My defense, which is logically sound, has been ignored, except where people have cherry picked points to troll. Saddam Hussein got a fairer trial than i am. In any case, without evidence, you cannot convict. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:40, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug*, shouldn't have declined my sysopship... ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::You were unfit for the job, and your subsequent tantrum proved as much to even the most jaded of eyes. My job isnt to make friends, or to be popular, or to do what people want, its to do what the rules and guidelines of this wiki state is correct, and to make the best decisions for the wiki in places where the guidelines do not cover. I am the only person to have ever lived up to that responsibility. No one else has, though karek comes damned close. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:47, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::oh come on, it was a joke! I thought even in your current state you should have picked it up. Feel free to slur away, hope it makes you feel better, xoxo. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:51, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Im sorry, but one seldom finds entertainment when one is the victim of such obvious and gross injustice where one cannot do anything about it. I apologise. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::apology accepted, we shall see how it plays out...now, to leave kevan's talk page so he doesn't get pissed off and cancel my accounts!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, this page was already on my watchlist. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:37, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::You gonna have a vote? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Contrary to Conndraka's first post, this is not a community decision at all. It is in fact a decision made by a small group of sysops. I trust the subtle difference and obvious deceit on Conndraka's part is not lost on you. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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There being no official method or process of notification...[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Final_Ruling| Here] is the result. Note the community "petition" that is also currently attached to the position. There being no "Policy" in this manner, the impeachment of a sysop by the community is a nebulous proposal at best. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:00, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:So that was you that thought that it would be a good idea to try to drive someone to vandalism as a last resort at neutrality? If it wasn't whoever added that petition should themselves be vandal escalated for misusing an administrative page to further a personal fight. Precedent matters.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:13, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Just for the record it was me who added the "petition" it was not intended to be used as evidence against Grim it and i thought it was pretty clear that I was asking for the communities opinion on wether Grim should face a vote. more than 1 person thought not.... apparently my intention was not clear enough and it turned into a petition while i was off-line. Should Grim have lost his Crat status? Probably... should he have lost it for the misconduct case? Absolutely not!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Bug, "zerg flag", or what? ==<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=951980 This alt] has recently tried searching for FAKs in a powered Mall with *no* success. 'Tis far more than bad luck... All other actions seem to working just fine, and I really can't see how a zerg flag could have been activated, even accidentally. Is this a bug, some unannounced change, or has a zerg flag somehow been activated? Anyone else had anything similar happen? But if it is a bug, then I'll report it normally... Thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:09, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unannounced change, although you shouldn't be getting ''zero'' success. If it keeps up, report it as a bug and we'll get some more data on it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Can you post these things as news? not only are we in a news drought, but it'll send the mall rats scurrying to the TRPs...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:25, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::It seems a bit cheap to announce search tweaks as fully-fledged "game updates". There are some proper updates on the way. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Perhaps, but it makes a difference. And considering it was suggested through the wiki suggestion system it'd a tip of the hat to the crowd over there (regardless of whether or not you actually saw that ;) ), i look forward to new updates :D something pro zombie perhaps? Things have quietened down in Malty as of late...btw kudos on the ruin update, she added a whole new dimension to the game.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Oh good. I thought this was just me. I have been getting reduced search rates EVERYwhere. (Hospitals, Malls, NT buildings.) Quite a few days I've spend 18~23 AP in these buildings over a period of about 10~12 minutes and have found nothing at all. Recently I've used a mall-searcher and spent 20 AP in Caiger NW and have found nothing in any store. It woulda been nice to see this as an official update. [[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 14:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yay! Updates are ace. :D -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:47, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Yes, please announce it or something. I was sad to find just 2 FAKs with 20 APs in a lightened mall with bargain hunting. Its just very less. First i thougt, it was bad luck, but others said the same too. Maybe a small view, what has been changed would be nice. --[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 17:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::'''My search-statistics:'''<br />
:::::::'''Where:''' lightened Mall, searched in the Drugstore<br />
:::::::'''Skill:''' Shopping+Bargain Hunting<br />
:::::::'''APs:''' 38 / 47<br />
:::::::'''Found nothing:''' 30 / 36<br />
:::::::'''Found a FAK:''' 8 / 11<br />
:::::::'''Rate:''' 21,06% / 23,4%<br />
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Assuming there are no more break-ins at my safehouse, I'll post some data tomorrow. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk]] </span> </sup> 04:26, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the reply, Kevan... No, you're right, haven't had a lot of time to play lately, but I tested it further and I did finally find some FAKs... And for everyone else... I believe I know ''exactly'' why Kevan implemented this. And it pleases me, personally, very much. :) Meanwhile, this wasn't a game-mechanic change, just a search rate nerf... Thus, I think it's cool it was left for us to discover on our own, and not as an announcement... Even if I had to resort to the cheap method of asking the big guy himself... ;) Though I did suspect it might be a search rate nerf, I just didn't ''dare'' to believe'' :D ... Thanks, Kevan, cool change... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:01, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh... FTR limited data... but searching for guns in a mall ''seems'' the same as always... and syringe rates have been quite low for some time now... just to clear up statement made above about everything sucking... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:05, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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You know, there's a [[Search Odds|better place]] than Kevan's talk page to dump this data... --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup II==<br />
I have regularly spoken to you of the abuses of adminsistrator and the flaws of the system. I have begged, and pleaded for you to become involved in fixing these problems. You have told me to do it myself. Tow/three days ago i notified you of my intent to stage a coup on this wiki and enforce a better way, at the very least as a trial run. I also informed you that you could call it off simply by telling me "no". Since you havent responded, and circumstances have cospired to make such an option impossible in the immediate future due to the very corruption that has taken root, i have been forced to go ahead earlier than i would have liked. I merely ask that you adopt a wait and see attitude towards what i am trying to do. This is my last throw of the dice. My last ditch attempt to make this a better place before i take my leave of this community forever. I apologise for the manner in which i had to bring it about however. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 10:26, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hello Grim. I read your email as a bold request for ''permission'' to single-handedly institute "sweeping reforms" and selective sysop demotions. I didn't realise you were threatening to actually abuse bureaucrat powers and go ahead regardless, if I didn't respond quickly enough.<br />
:Yes, whenever you email me asking that I force through a change that you personally want implemented, I suggest that you take it through the proper channels - usually a policy discussion, to at least get some community feedback first. I don't see why you couldn't have done that here. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup==<br />
Could you please re-sysop all the people that Grim just demoted, please, and remove his bureaucrat status to avoid it happening again? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:24 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Already onto it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::sooo....where do we go from here? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::[[Suburb Nicknames#West Becktown|PUSSY TOWN]]!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Shouldn't grim also have been demoted ? He can still do lots of damage with his sysop powers --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Given the "effective immediately i am seizing executive power" tone of his bureaucrat abuse, and the fact that he claims to have left the wiki permanently, temporarily revoking his sysop powers seems fair enough, if only as a security issue. I'll reverse it should the [[Misconduct#User:Grim_s|new misconduct case]] decide in his favour. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:34, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Hm... I think I may create a new subpage on my userspace containing as much of this stuff as I can. It will be interesting to read through and spot the points at which Grim became more and more frantic. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::First Katthew, now grim. There is no place for common sense is there? Maybe i'm not in possession of all the facts; all I see is one frustrated person finally snapping, after years spent as one of the very few sysops to actually work to make this a better place - rather than feather his own nest. The wiki has finally moved from being a source of information to some kind of passive-aggressive, UD version of Facebook. I'd rather have one person capable of making a mature decisions, unafraid to step on a few toes and deflate a few egos, than a gaggle of preening children. Disappointing. --[[User:Keith Drudgely|Keith Drudgely]] 17:58, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Grim was anything but "mature". Just saying. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 20:56, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::you should talk, cyberbob... actually, i do think grim was someone who worked hard for the wiki... and he'd dealt with idiocy for so long, he did snap... however, if only he'd handled things better over the long haul... le sigh... for what it's worth, the drama has pretty much caused me to quit the game, too... pathetic how seriously some people (myself included) take all this sometimes... and interesting how easy it is to walk away when the bad taste gets to be too much, and how little you miss UD when you do... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:36, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Biiig difference between being immature by choice and being immature by impulse, Wan. Also, WTF is with you and ellipses? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:18, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::~2 years till the next sysop snaps. I can understand where Grim was coming from though. It's very frustrating when people constantly attack you for no perceived reason, and eventually you *have* to snap, no one can sustain continued harassment. Grims misconduct case showed this, sysops calling for Grims demotion over something so minor was ridiculous. Unfortunately once a group of users has decided to attack you there's nowhere safe on the wiki, and eventually you are forced to leave until things cool off, which can be a long while, and difficult to do if you are a regular. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">11:35/13/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::::OR you could simply cease the unneccessary causticness that brought on all that ire and start acting with some degree of restraint rather than taking the easy route and trying to lay the blame on others. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:52, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Cyberbob's right, just because you weren't a victim of Grim's monster rampage doesn't mean it didn't happen. You should try to understand Jedaz, people didn't just rise against Grim for fun. We aren't idiots. If we were mindless idiots we would be playing Halo 3 and NFL 2009 instead of UD. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:58, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::It's called Madden you culturally ignorant fuck. Nah you're allllright. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:02, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::How dare you be here and not on IRC. You left me alone with those barbarians. >=[ {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::sorry sorry! I was spose to go to bed 21 minutes ago...hows a week tonight for you? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:19, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::@Cyberbob - What kind of restraint are you talking about? Restraint of language? I don't see anyone else restraining themselves. Restraint of Sysop powers? Well there wern't any successful misconduct cases about misuse. If you are talking about restraining yourself once you've snapped then you must be laughing. Don't get me wrong, Grims attitude didn't help the situation, but people making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't going to help either.<br />
::::::::@DDR - What has Grim done since June to have this "uprising" occur? Personally I didn't see Grim do anything outside of his regular behaviour (ignoring this most recent case), and the community has known about his behaviour for a long time and still elected him! Would the community still have rised up if this didn't occur? If not then it's just an angry mob and it would have cooled down eventually, where as an uprising would still have occured.<br />
::::::::Anyway, if either of you wish to continue this conversation I'ld suggest we move this to my [[User_talk:Jedaz|talk page]] rather then clog up Kevans. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:34/14/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::My point, Jedaz, was that if Grim was at all socially intelligent he would have realised that people weren't going to take his shit forever. If he wanted to prevent an explosion of the sort we saw he should've taken steps to improve his self-control. Blaming his completely unreasonable hissy fit (ZOMG IM GONNA LOSE MAI CRAT STATUS ALL MUST DIE) on the completely understandable reactions of everyone else is ridiculous. You need to take off the "I got yo back brotha!" goggles (you think I don't remember the circumstances of your demotion?) and take a step back to look at things realistically. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I supose you have a point. But I don't think you fully understand the reason I chose to be demoted (if you did then you wouldn't have brought it up). My point is if you don't have the support of the team you are working in then of course you are going to find it tough and eventually you are either going to quit or break. Nobody seems to care that it can actually get to this point. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:20/16/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::Cyberbob's right. Do you actually have a personal history with Grimsky? He has been planning this entire explosion for a very long time. He probably stretched out the time of the case so it could build up to a bigger explosion. He deliberately did this for his own ego. And yet you don't think he was unfit to be at the position he was at? Why argue with us more? Ask the entire community which demanded what we demand right now. I don't want to disrupt Kevan (I know your reading hun =]) So I'll stop here, no need to pursue justification. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::it was very calculated, there was a reason he chased away the other competent sysops, and crats, and meatpuppeted his crat "election". He was planning this "coup" for a while and was no lapse in judgement.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:30, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::I miss all of the good stuff. I believe what Anime is referring to is discussed [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|here]], with a now dead reference to [[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysop_Sub_Groups:The_Cheesy_Version#"With_less_than_10_active_sysops"|the original conversation here]]. You know, where he admits to hounding sysops such as Vista and Hagnat to get them to quit their positions. Coincidentally, after he got Hagnat to quit, he got elected as a Bureaucrat. No, obviously no long term plan in place.<br />
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:::::::::::Whoops. I guess it ''was'' a long term plan to get into power after all, huh? [[Image:Haw.gif]] --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:52, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::No way to prove this but on IRC Grim would often criticize my "hissy fits" of pissing people off for lulz and then brag about how he could do it better. I think AS remembers it, he often hung out in #udwiki. My point, he planned this. That wasn't impulse. Impulse is "DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING!!!" --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:07, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::Maybe they are talking about on a geological timetable. Or perhaps some people need to [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impulse%5B2%5D read more]. I do find it amusing that [[:Template:Grim Doom|this template]], which was meant as a joke, is closer to the truth than people like to believe. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::He made [[User:Grim_s/Sandbox/Thingamajig|these notes on attempting to scrap the system]] back in July, which included the idea that my veto power was a "problem" and should be revoked. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::That's kind of why I am confused how what [[User:Amazing|Amazing]] did was worse than this. There is a huge history of edits of Grim chasing users off of the wiki in order to attain the power he craved ([[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|'''by his own admission''']]), then kicks off the rest of the sysop team to implement his changes when he is threatened, yet he doesn't receive the same punishment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::You're confusing yourself, because the Amazing and Grim situations are totally different. Amazing wasn't a sysop when he earned his permban through the established VB escalation system, and it was also a long, long time ago. Most of the sysops ruling on Grims case had nothing to do with the wikigate farce. Careful what you wish for, Akule, [[Witch Burners]] arn't that picky, as you well know <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:35 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::::Oh, okay, so talking with Kevan about how Grim probably should have been permabanned for chasing away several good sysops, plotting to remove Kevan's veto power, and overthrowing the other sysops results with veiled threats of forcing me off the wiki from you. Gotcha. So, when are you going to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Amnesty&diff=next&oldid=1295384 "waah"] Kevan like you did Hagnat and the others? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:17, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::I'm not threatening to force you off the wiki, Akule. I'm trying to point out that if witch burners always got their way, Grim would be out, but so would you, long ago due to copyright-gate. And why the hell would I Wah Keven, you clown... you're the one doing the waaaaahing <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::It's cos deep down (very deep, in some cases) we've all got a soft spot for ol' grimchy.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::And the winner of the Speak For Yourself award goes to.... --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 08:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Ooo! ooo! I'm a shoo in for this one! Pick me! Pick me! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:58, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::Umm...Boxy? How is what Grim did similar to the Witch Burners? Our goal is to remove those who create mass amounts of drama on the wiki through vandalism, arby's, and other crap. We are the vigilantes that work where the sysops can't. Grim would have been a target of ours if we weren't so afraid of him banning us after labeling him a target. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:25, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Well, I was referring to the way Grim has become a targeted witch, actually, but he did use similar tactics, now you mention it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::::::::::::The problem Grim saw with Kevan's veto power was that Kevan's refusal to participate in the wiki and the absence of the threat of the use of that power was in and of itself damaging to the wiki and led to a lot of the crap that annoys all of us. It wasn't that Kevan had veto power but that Kevan wasn't willing to give that power any weight. You'd probably know that if you ever spoke to Grim outside of arguments.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:24, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::I did. Usually it was go back to an argument, mostly over stupid shit. Mentioning you like Star Wars would result in a vicious attack on why TIE Fighters can't make noise in space. I for one don't give a shit. Grim loved to create trouble over stupid shit. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:23, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::That wasn't directed at you Sonny.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:54, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::BUT GODDSDAMMIT TIE FIGHTERS CAN'T MAKE A NOISE IN SPACE!!!!!!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 18:28, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::fcuk u tehy can 2!!1!!!1one! --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::: obviously the whole star war universe takes place in a particle rich nebula that allows for both the transmission of sound and the really spectacular explosions...DUH! [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:07, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Well at least we don't have Real Gamer ruling the wiki.Grim did make a joke about a coup earlier in 2008 around the time the the dead did their rampage I believe.And by the way, according to the History Channel,if you were in space,the Death Star firing and destroying a planet is as less loud than you clicking your computer's mouse.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Coup Misconduct Resolution ==<br />
[[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Resolution.2FFinal_Ruling| Resolution]] of the Misconduct case due to the coup, Just an FYI for official notification. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== HP? ==<br />
Just stood up after a revive... Found myself at 20 instead of 30. another one of these unannounced changes? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:07, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:That would be a bug. Report it if it happens again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:24, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I like the NT scan tweak. Very classy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Grammar ==<br />
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You try to add some corrugated iron to the barricade, but can't find a place for them.<br />
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"Them" should be "it", or "corrugated iron" should be plural, so maybe "corrugated iron rods".<br />
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Hope this is in the right place, and I know you probably don't care that much about small gramatical errors but someone needs to point them out!<br />
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Feel free to downsize the image..I would but I need to run! {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 12:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Update ==<br />
I don't do this much and am actually on the side of criticizing updates as too much for false problems but this recent update has been something that has been long in the waiting. Thank You, this might actually get me playing my characters again.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:37, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll go along with that. Admittedly I'm far more easily-pleased than Karek and never stopped actively playing, but still, thanks for a great update. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:27, 17 October 2008 (BST).<br />
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== Privacy Policy ==<br />
Hi kevan, is there any chance of a Privacy Policy being written up regarding players IP's and emails. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:58, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:[[UDWiki:Privacy policy]] has been in the footer for a couple of years now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:13, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Sorry I did not make it clear, I meant in regards to the game, not the wiki.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 10:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Streetwalkin' cheetah with a heartful of napalm ==<br />
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A ruffian headbutted me for 1 damage today, as a human. Is this a new addition or am I slow? I basically came here to ask, Kevan, how does one headbutt? Is it a random occurance that may happen instead of excecuting the punch command? Just curious. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:22, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Heh. That would have been me, non? Headbutt works via ?actions, i simply installed a greasemonkey script that allows me to perform said action in harman form without using the ?action. Sometimes young ddr, the only way to fight fire is well, with fire ;) . --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:50, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::That would be biting with a mask while alive I assume. 'cause you can bite while alive but, for 1 damage.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:49, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like the shooting while a zombie cheat to me. That hasn't been fixed yet, has it? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:27 18 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::That was fixed just before April 1 this year, I remember because Red Rums April Fools plans were ruined.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 17:06, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::The only reason the shooting cheat got fixed was because enough people decided to whine about such a minor thing. No one really cares about this one and it's been known for a long long time. That being said the damage is reduced when trying to perform zombie actions while living, it's always punch damage and I think punch rates too.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:58, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Nah no mask, just 1 damage.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:55, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I wish to lay claim to be the first person to be headbutted for 1 damage by a harman. Then I'll be positively famous. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:52, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You aren't. Unfortunately i'm not original, i got the script that allows me to do this off viktor, first person i know of who got headbutted was Fiffy i think, check with Anime, he'll know! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:06, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Take it to [[Talk:Actions via "question marks"]], thanks kids... no need to bother Kevan with this. Basically all these attacks work as a punch with different flavour: they're all 25% to hit, 1 damage. And you're very late to the party, I know I and others have been doing this for 6 months or more. Pretty much from around the time ActOnProfile came out. <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:34, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And unlike shooting while a zombie...the damage able to be inflicted by this is minimal. I've been bitten by a harman before. It was hilarious. ;) --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 04:15, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aha! That sneaky gorilla's secret is revealed! At last the world makes sense again. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 05:09, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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/topic. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:31, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== so wait... new map? whats for monroeville? ==<br />
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2 questions....headshot on this map or?<br />
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and monroeville is at 260 poeple so im kinda wondering if theres anything left for it....<br />
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[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 10:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:First question, the first one to level 10'll find out. Question 2, get over it, there's been nothing there for ages...new city thyme :D --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Kazypoo1, Monroeville ''did'' die quite a while ago, in case you didn't notice... I thought it said 'permanent zombification' somewhere, and it only lasts a month, so I'm assuming its perma headshot. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::No, headshot doesn't mean permadeath in Borehamwood. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hello Kevan, quick question: The stats page currently displays the Monroeville numbers as {{udspan|(1023 standing survivors, 707 standing zombies, 43896 accounts created)}}. I take it this is Borehamwood numbers mixing with the old of Monroeville. So will we get separate stats for Borehamwood? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:So. That's basically 950 survivors against 200 zombies at the moment? Still I liked getting the rage. It was fun. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Good point. Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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With the new locations such as railway line(s) and petrol station(s), what do they bring to the game? Is their any new weapons/items? --[[User:Alcatraz311|Alcatraz311]] 15:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Was this why the server went down last night by any chance? =P -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Publicity of Big Brother house location ==<br />
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Greetings. I, amongst others, would like to know your opinion on publicity of the Big Brother house location on the wiki. Should it stay hidden or be revealed? --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 13:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Unless Kevan comes out and says otherwise, this is no different than any other location in the game. Removing it is in no way different to a group of trenchies removing [[Giddings Mall]] from the map in case [[MOB]] comes to visit. Information is free. Censorship is bad.<br />
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:This wiki is a game resource, not a vehicle for censorship so that certain players can increase their chances of winning a DVD.<br />
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:Also this information has already been disseminated to public UD forums and is available through public iwitnesses. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Had this talk with the Big Man before, and he said he has no problem with it. Actually, he imagined its coordinates would have been posted in a matter of hours on the wiki, and also broadcasted through radio and stuff like that. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's up to players how much information they share or conceal; I don't mind either way, in this case. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Wow... as if we don't get enough of the BB franchise on the idiot box, now we get huge BB eye's looking at us as we attack a mall in Malton? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:59 2 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:They'd only be there because someone chose to spraypaint them, but the graphic shouldn't have been showing up outside Borehamwood. This is now fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::OK, thanks. I have a particular hatred of the bastardisation of the original "big brother" concept that involves housemates <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:56 3 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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== Questions about your character ==<br />
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I assume this UD ID is yours, correct, UD ID-11? Well, I'd like to welcome you to West Grayside, though I don't appreciate the eating of so many brains. Also, I don't appreciate the Ninja Zombie status you seem to give yourself. we all know the military covers up things, but covering up their own skills? I scanned your zombie, listed as pre-death class Military, but you lack any military skills! So is just a sick joke, or is it a bug? Picture of scan here:<br />
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Thanks for checking.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Damn, that's a pretty smart catch! Bub is pretty famous among organized zombie players, and most folks know him for not having any human skills, but I never knew he was a "military class" character, as I've never seen the "living" version of his profile.<br>I doubt its a bug; G. Romeroe's "Bub" character was military. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 22:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::How did he get Military without any skills? .......... Oh wait.... Mad haxors skill... :P --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Bweing god of Urban dead helped as well; being able to defy the laws of logic and the 4rth dimension and whatnot. Wait whats his human account?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 03:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki Update ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if there any chance of getting wiki software updated? The latest version is v1.13 and there are several useful new features, including: <br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
It's not urgent or anything, but it would be nice if you could put it on your busy to-do list :D.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That sounds pretty cool. =) Can we get it for Christmas? Means you'd only have to get us one present between us this year, saving you quite a lot of money. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Image undeletion is enabled by default as well-useful for when sysops accidentally delete a useful image {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Black Holes of Borehamwood==<br />
Evening. There's a couple of squares in [[Borehamwood]] that are seemingly unscoutable. Namely deep river sections. Can you confirm there's nothing mysterious and shiny hiding in the depths, islands and the like? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'd just like to also say thank you for the charcoal briquettes barricade message. Brought a smile to my face.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazing ==<br />
I'v always owndered for these 2 years; what in the hell DID amazing do anyways? What grim did is easy to see because of the publicity and recentism of it but what EXACTLY did amazing do?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amount of characters in a broadcast ==<br />
I was wondering, Since I started the [[Galaxy News Radio]] i've found that the very small amount of characters you can use is at best, a thorn in my side, couldn't it be possible to make the transmission amount of characters the same as for speaking, it makes perfect sense really --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 21:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If you want to make a suggestion for an in game feature, take it by [[Developing Suggestions]] and get some constructive criticism before putting it up for voting. Although as far as i'm aware the character cap exists to limit spamming of radio channels.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Actually it's probably more of a necessary thing like the 50 people limit in normal speak is. Radio can't share that limiter because that would eliminate it's whole purpose so the only other ways to limit it is to put an upper end on how much you can say per day per channel.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::It's a possibility, but since character limits (as far as i'm aware) predates the need for limiting talking to 50 it seems odd.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
Okie i'll take this to the development pages, thanks for the feed back though guys {{unsigned|An unlucky guy|11:00, November 23, 2008}}<br />
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==Dead Set Competition== <br />
Can I assume that the prizes and all went off without a hitch so I can update the competition as a Past event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, the winners have been selected and contacted, and talking to the cameras in the diary room no longer has any effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Trade?==<br />
Sorry to bother you but I was wondering why survivors can't trade. This could lead to more eaisly avalible equipment, I think there would be a limit thou. Generators couldn't be traded etc. I think that it might help the humans in a bunch of Unbalanced claims. Players could not trade to same Ip address characters would stop cheating and it could lead to characters traveling round Malton selling there wares which would be fun to see. My regards it's a great game and I've got a bunch of my freinds playing now too. Thanks from me and them [[User:Athur birling]]<br />
:Heya. If you want to make a suggestion for an addition to the game you should go [[suggestions|here]]. In the meantime check out [[Frequently_Suggested#Giving_or_Trading_Items|this]] which explains why trading is generally seen as a bad idea. Anyway, welcome to the totally awesome UD wiki!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The [http://www.urbandead.com/faq.html#trade FAQ] does hint at trading, but he also says it will take lots of thought. I imagine the coding would be nightmarish too. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::you know what link? you're alllllllllllllllllright.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks {{unsigned|Athur birling}}<br />
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==Making a list? Checking it Twice?==<br />
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We getting a chrimbo update? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow? ==<br />
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Are you hiding it under your cap? Or NO SNOW FOR MALTON WINTER 08'? I miss mah flakie friends! --[[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 21:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:[http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a841/a841.gif Al Gore was right]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd like to put in another vote for snow! I missed the fog this year at Halloween and the snow really added some nice flavour in my opinion. --[[User:Queen Mum|Queen Mum]] 00:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Need moar snow. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== what, no more newspapers? ==<br />
they don't seem to be showing up in hospitals anymore. got rid of them, eh? any chance of them coming back, i love smacking people with 'em! :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:They should be somewhere else maybe? It was annoying with them in hospies. Luckily all ma guys have them already :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Still plenty of places to find [[newspapers]], guys. lrn2wiki. <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== I can't smash Xmas lights??? ==<br />
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Those darned Whos! I hate them!! But seriously, the option to smash christmas lights in a ruined building is not available. This is blatant discrimination against zombie scrooges. I protest! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:My apologies. I figured it out. :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hi, I'm a big fan. I finally found your talk page and I have a question, can you reinstall headshots in Monroeville as the humans think they can take down us zeds........--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leaving nice messages for Kevan is fine, however we have a system for suggesting improvements. Please go to [[Developing_Suggestions|Developing Suggestions]] and suggest it there. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 19:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Character Deleted == <br />
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I wanted to make sure that this [[Fixed_Bugs#Teleport_across_Malton_and_level_0_account||bug]] was fixed but it appears that it is not fixed. If you are on the edge of Malton and go to http:urbandead.com/map.cgi?v=100-99 it will mess up your character. I did this with my charachter Yark and now whenever I log in I can't perform any actions with him, and it seems his skills have been deleted: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815674 --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 20:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No! Yark! =( -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Just replicated it by going from 0,99 to 0,100 in New Arkham with a random throwaway I just made: [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1442227 Testy McTesterson]. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I hate to say it, I killed mister <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=142058 password]</span>. After more poking, I have observed even more; Couple of AP and permadeath, I'm the first to go from Spicer Hills to Dakerstown instantly. I'll work out more details when my IP hits refresh, as I just used a proxy that I didn't much like. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::<nowiki>:</nowiki>'( --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::password will live on. (and probably be revivificated) Also, what about 100-100? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::[[:Image:Testy.jpg|We're alive!!]] =D We're level 0 and we've got a zombie chewing on us, but we're alive!! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Fixed. I've dropped Yark into a random, secure building, and given the character 1000XP to get up and running again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The bug? Or Yark? password and Testy are level 0.. The bug was interesting, odd behaviour, but it would be nice if after a server reset you could be free to move again. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 18:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The bug. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 18:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Project Namespace ==<br />
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we have few projects, yet i was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting to have them in their own namespace. Thus projects like [[The Great Mall Project]] and [[ALiM]] would be located in [[Project:The Great Mall Project]] and [[Project:ALiM]]. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but "Project" is a builtin alias for whatever the name of the wiki is (here it's "UDWiki"). e.g. [[Project:Administration]] is the same as [[UDWiki:Administration]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Darn, forgot about that. Maybe in the plural then, [[Projects:The Great Mall Project]] --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::That would just be confusing.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Just Plain Vanity ==<br />
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Any chance of a {{Udspan|''' Dermot O'Leary was still alive and active one month into the Borehamwood quarantine.'''}} ? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== about the admin team ==<br />
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how do you feel about the current sysop team of the wiki ? do you have any problems with how we run things ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:does he give a fuck? recent history would suggest probably not. Stop fishing for compliments hagnat. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:okay that came out a little harsh, but i don't see why you want to bring kevan into this other than for your own gratification. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Hedging much? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 13:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::It's pretty easy to predict what he's going to say. Why would he complain? You can't have nothing to do with your own games wiki then rock up and say 'i hate the way you people run it' and then disappear again. Unless he wants to get involved in the wiki again kevan ''can't'' say he has a problem with the way they run it. Although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Easier than that, last time someone asked him to weigh in on promotions his response was that he basically didn't want his opinion brought into the matter. So No Comment is probably the best bet.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I think Hagnat's concerned for his sysop status. I would be too if I was a ''trusted user'' that was acting against the wishes of the community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop right there Iscariot! I am sick and tired of you constantly saying that every sysop on the team is going agaisnt the wishes of the community! Most of the community never has a problem with the current admin team, and when they do it's rarely a huge problem. Now you come on Kevan's page and still continue the bad mouthing. Just face it, no matter what you will never be pleased with the administration and so you will constantly have to pretend that the whole community is on your side so that you will feel right in your head.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::How many people are there playing the game? How many are on this wiki? Yes, some people don't have time to spend on anything other than playing the game, but how many people are putting hours a day into the meta game and ''still'' won't touch this wiki without an exceptional reason? And how many of those people have told you that the current administration team is one of the primary reasons? My total ''will'' beat yours. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Get it off Kevan's page. He doesn't need to be bothered with a dispute between users. Have it out on each others talk pages, or even mine, just don't start bringing it here. Okay?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 01:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I know, I'm sorry. I just wanted to counter Iscariot's comment because I know exactly what he's trying to accomplish by posting that. I, unlike Iscariot, am done here now.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Much as I hate the way Iscariot is going about his crusade I have to say he does have a point. The sysop team probably does not represent the view of even a large minority of players and that explains why so few players contribute. Not that i think its all the Admin teams fault, but the rules they follow and enforce reflect a community that no longer exist. Most sysops were promoted long before most current players even heard of the game yet the tag "trusted user" is still attached to the title "SYSOP". Few current wiki users vouched for them and fewer still of the actual player base and yet they still cling to positions claiming that "popular" votes undermine the system! They are right that popularity does not mean competence but... Franky i find it a bit odd that sysops can claim the label "trusted user" and not be willing to allow the community to confirm that label. Look back to Conn's promotion bid, or Boxy's or Hagnats or even Kareks and even without checking i can say with confidence that at least half those that vouched are no longer active.... Now i personally '''Would''' vouch for them all but my point is that they were not voted in by the current community and the claims that they are trusted users wear very thin in light of the fact that they do not seem willing to trust the communities opinion on pretty much any issue!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The sysop team doesn't have to represent the view of a large majority of players, it only has to represent the view of the wiki community. Whenever I play a browser game I don't always sign up to their forums/wiki/whatever they have. A large portion of users probably won't bother contributing to the wiki because so many other users already are. If I was to ask you, "what needs contributing to on the wiki?", I'm sure you probably won't have many answers. The only things of note are suggestions and suburb reports, and not everybody is interested in that (and the drama which comes with each of them). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:26/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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==Cheers==<br />
I'm a fat guy, and I can't seem to get any dates. Can you tell me what would be the best way to lose weight? I have a crush on Diane Chambers, but every time I ask her out, she says no. --[[User:Norm|Norm]] 02:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration&diff=1363863UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration2009-01-16T02:00:10Z<p>Jedaz: /* St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr and Mall Tour 2009 versus User:Sgt_Raiden */</p>
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While the wiki community attempts to work on the basis of encouragement and cooperation, there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord. In the event of this happening, the Arbitration Team may be called upon to intervene, and attempt to find a reasonable compromise that, while perhaps not satisfying both parties, may at least assist in defusing the situation, thanks to the unbiased third party.<br />
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=Guidelines for Arbitration Requests=<br />
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In assisting in Arbitration, we generally suggest that both parties agree to the Arbitration. This is not, by any means, a requirement, but we do require that both parties be represented in proceedings.<br />
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Any Arbitration request should provide at least the following:<br />
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* '''The aggrieved parties.''' Either person vs person, or [list of people] vs [list of people].<br />
* '''The reason for the arbitration.''' This should very specifically be without reference to people, as that information has already been provided. It should be a short paragraph indicating the causes of the aggrievement, and why both parties feel it requires arbitration<br />
* '''Any pages affected by the aggrievement.''' This should be a simple list of links. <br />
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Once the Arbitration commences, the Arbitrator will request statements from all parties involved. Any evidence to back up one's statement should be provided in link form. Each party will then have an opportunity to rebut their opponent's statement. After these two steps, the Arbitrator will then consider the case, and reach a conclusion, and determine the outcome that is required. It's the duty of the Arbitrator to move a case he accepted to a subpage of UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration, and to update the status of the arbitration case in the [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Arbitration_Cases_in_Progress|Arbitration Cases in Progress]] section.<br />
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As a note, by requesting an Arbitration, all parties are thus obliged to accept the outcome of the Arbitration. Not doing will be considered Vandalism, and such vandalism attempts will be treated as if the vandal has already received two warnings.<br />
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After the Arbitration is over, it will then be moved to an archive page. As publicly accessible pages, they may be used to establish precedent in further, applicable cases.<br />
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=Current Arbitrators=<br />
:''For guidelines on how to arbitrate, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration Guidelines|Arbitration Guidelines]].''<br />
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The following users have placed their hand up as users who are willing to be contacted to act as an Arbitrator. The role of Arbitrator is not restricted to the Administration Team; any user can be contacted as an Arbitrator and use this page for the arbitration, so long as both parties agree to the Arbitrator. Users who wish to place their hand up as an Arbitrator should place their name below on the list, using {{CodeInline|<nowiki>*{{usr|YourUserPage}}</nowiki>}}<br />
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Also note that not all listed Arbitrators are active on the Wiki.<br />
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*[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]]<br />
*[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<br />
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*[[User:hagnat|hagnat]]<br />
*[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]<br />
*[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]<br />
*[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]<br />
*[[User:J3D|J3D]]<br />
*[[User:Karek|Karek]]<br />
*[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]]<br />
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*[[User:Sexylegsread|MichaelRead]]<br />
*[[user:Nubis|Nubis]]<br />
*[[User:Sergeant William Holt|Sergeant William Holt]]<br />
*[[User:SirArgo|SirArgo]]<br />
*[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]]<br />
*[[User:Suicidalangel|Suicidal Angel]]<br />
*[[User:The General|The General]]<br />
*[[User:Toejam|Toejam]]<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr]] and [[Mall Tour 2009]] versus [[User:Sgt_Raiden]]==<br />
Given the incompetence of the sysop team in ruling a vandalism case correctly, St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr, and The Mall Tour 2009 seek to prevent the user known as Sgt Raiden from making any further edits on this wiki concerning the Mall Tour 2009. I will accept [[User:Johnny Bass]], [[User:Dr Cory Bjornson]] and [[User:Fifth Element]] as arbitrators. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Call me stupid, but aren't Johnny and Fifth Element both working with the Mall Tour, and since the Mall Tour is named in this case... {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::OK, you're stupid. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I am not part of this case. [[User:Wiki Martyr|Wiki Martyr]] 06:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And there is no user named [[User:St. Iscariot|St. Iscariot]]. If there was we would permaban him as a sock puppet account made to mock. ... like you were.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Fixed in accordance with the users wishes. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FArbitration&diff=1363007&oldid=1363005 Iscariot], if you wish to take me to A/VB, feel free. I am not an alt and I am eager for you to make an arse of yourself. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 09:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Fiexed correctly, a user may be known as whatever they wish, see [[User:Krazy Monkey]], just because someone edits in bad faith does not limit their usage of a given moniker. You'll notice that I'm the only one that it links to as well. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::You can not call yourself Saint Iscariot any more than Sgt. Raiden could make a case against "Iscariot the Asshole that needs to shut the Fuck Up and give it a Rest". So, shut the fuck up and give it a rest.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC) <br />
::::Calling himself what he wants is very different from calling someone else an asshole. Cheese (aka [[User:Krazy Monkey]]) has been involved in a [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cheese vs DoctorRevive|couple]] of [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|cases]] as only “Cheese”, which is much further from his real username than St. Iscariot is from Iscariot's. Not to mention that there already exists a case involving a [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|St. Iscariot]]. So, why don't ''you'' give it a rest. Letting him call himself St. Iscariot isn't going to kill you. Or anyone else, for that matter. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 17:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::You might want to try making that point again when Iscariot is commonly referred to as whatever he is claiming as his titles. St. Iscariot makes sense, St. Iscariot Wiki Martyr Protector of the Consensus does not and only serves as some ridiculous claim to make himself, illigitimately seem more authoritative. Like when he claims he runs and is the voice of MallTour, he isn't.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Also, in the Archives, Cheese's first case does refer to him as Cheese AKA Krazy Monkey and Micheal Read is referred to as SexyLegsRead. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|Precedent]] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I r not newb. =/ Lrn to indent. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
LOL, quite a case to bring against a wiki newbie... seeking to forbid them from commenting on one of the major current events in the game, and giving them a list of arbitrators to pick from, all of whom are Mall Tourists. Noice <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:12 15 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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::You could have handed out a warning and reverted the contentious edit, and all of this would have been avoided, the warning itself would have been struck before the end of the Mall Tour 2009 given his rate of contributions. However, you didn't, and stated clearly that it was a matter for arbitration. You're always going on about how I don't follow correct procedure, well I did what you told me to do.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:So much for the user who claims its the sysops fault that users are being driven away from the wiki. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 10:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I reject you as a potential arbitrator. According to your own badly crafted guidelines, please refrain from posting on the main page of this case again. Take it to the talk page, I'm sure someone will read what you have to say. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I offer to arbitrate. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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How about before this turns into a totally irrelevant and bitter flame war, someone gets Sgt. Raiden to actually respond and accept or reject this case?--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:He's been notified on his talk page already. (And I don't believe you can reject a case.) --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think thats actually ever been tried, however, i think that rejecting (or rather refusing to take part) would be a valid response given that arbitration is by definition a process involving 2 parties agreeing to accept the input of a nuetral 3rd! In any event he can just refuse all arbitration until the case collapses... It's a shit way to do it; and should not really be allowed; but it is a tried and tested way to fuck with the system!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::And while I understand all of that, what I was getting at is why don't we give him a decent chance to respond before this page turns into an all out war.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What are the edits which have brought this case forth? All I can see is someone posting POV stuff. While I'm sure that [[User:Sgt_Raiden|Sgt Raiden]] needs a lesson on keeping his posts in an netural POV on suburb pages and what not, I don't see any reason in his edits for an arbitration case, let alone you trying to resolve the issue by you talking to him. As of such, unless you give me a really good reason not to archive this case, this case will be removed within the next few days. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:37/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:Link(s) are in [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Sgt_Raiden|this vandalism case]]. It appears from that case that Raiden has been posting false information about the Mall Tour, and impersonating others while doing so. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I saw the vandalism case. However it looks like a newbie mistake. As for the "false information", in cases like these most people would change the edit in question and leave a comment on the users talk page about it. Anyway, by the looks of things he made the claims about Mall Tour attacking when you guys were only 1 suburb away, so it's understandable that he would have thought that you guys were attacking. If you are refering to something else then please point it out, but this is a very common newbie mistake. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:03/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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:The following is directed at Jedaz. Quoting from the Arbitration Guidelines ''"When two or more users don't agree on how a page should be edited, a case in arbitration should be created, so an outside and neutral person can help solve the conflict"''. The Mall Tour 2009 disagrees with the outright lies he is posting about our group, see [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Stickling_Mall&diff=prev&oldid=1359395 this edit]. I have access to all levels of the public and private Mall Tour boards and coded the entire Mall Tour 2009 pages. I announce the targets and decide where the Tour will progress to. He is lying about the Tour, and by the definition of the Arbitration Guidelines the two parties in this arbitration disagree with his edits; he believes he can make them, we dispute them. Therefore arbitration. Arbitration was also recommended by a current sysop on this wiki as a way to resolve the obvious differences. I reject any offer to arbitrate you may make , and so, following Arbitration Guidelines I invite you to confine your responses to the talk page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Considering you haven't even spoken to the other user, bar telling him to come here, I think you've misinterpreted Boxy's statement. Usually, a dispute as trivial as this can be solved by simply leaving a polite request on the user's talk page, ''especially'' in the case where the user is relatively new to the wiki. If they then continue to edit in the manner that aggrieves you, ''then'' you bring it here. Arbitration should be a last resort in an edit dispute where normal dialogue has failed, not the first. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 01:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::And I quote Boxy ''"As to him being annoying, that's a matter for arbies -- boxy talk • teh rulz 04:46 15 January 2009 (BST)"''. We find him annoying, hence arbies at Boxy's suggestion. That sentence is not open to interpretation. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::So your reason for arbitration is 1 edit? 1 edit which you did not even talk to the user about. Talk to him first and then you may have a case if you can't resolve the dispute, but until then you have nothing. Arbitration isn't designed to be the first place you take your issues, the other persons talk page is. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:12/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:::Now I know you aren't paying attention, you say one edit and at the same time that you've read the vandalism case, there are two distinct edits, even though the first one was removed he continued his behaviour. I'm not required to talk with a user first, unless you want to bring me a policy or statute that says otherwise. We at the Mall Tour have enough to do without reverting every single edit made by idiots. This will remove an idiot. This is what arbitration is for. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh really? I was sure it was for the settling of edit disputes. =O Wait...it is. ''This will remove an idiot. This is what arbitration is for.'' Is this an admittance that the case was created in bad faith, purely to drive a user from the wiki? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 01:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::Nice try Cheese, but don't try and put words into my mouth, this is about an edit conflict, what he may and may not post about my event. He believes he is allowed to post lies, we disagree. My personal opinion of the user does not change that. Also, if I'd wanted him gone from the game, this case wouldn't be here and he'd be on his way to leaving. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Ah yes, I forgot you were a letter of the rules type person. If you read the first paragraph of this page you will see that it says that "there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord", you have made no attempt to reach a solution. The basis of arbitration is to find a fair resolution for both parties who are unable to come to one on their own. So while it may not be written in stone, you are going against the spirit of what arbitration is all about by not trying to resolve your issue reasonably beforehand. Precedence has shown cases to be thrown out if the person who brought fourth the case did not try to resolve it prior to arbitration. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:32/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:::::You can try and rules lawyer me if you like, you'll lose. I will dispute that on grounds that page summaries are vague to conserve space, however the guidelines are clear that this case is valid and that their conciseness overrules the summary. Also recent precedent shows that your notion of cases being dismissed is fallacious. Enjoy. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::Actually if you knew me you'ld realize that I'm almost the complete opposite of a rules lawyer. But if you read the title it says "Guidelines for Arbitration '''Requests'''", so there is nothing saying that you have to get to the next phase of arbitration. Oh, and by the way, dismissal of cases is based on an arbitrators decision (of course with adequate time for discussion about it is my philosophy), so unless Sgt Raiden wants this to continue, or other members of the community think this case has merit, I will remove this. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:00/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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*[[:Category:Arbitration Cases|List of Arbitration Cases]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Open_Discussion/Arbitration_and_Misconduct&diff=1363844UDWiki:Open Discussion/Arbitration and Misconduct2009-01-16T01:40:34Z<p>Jedaz: /* How to fix it */</p>
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<div>It's become clear through my observations that people have issues with arbitration and the misconduct systems and/or the people using it, yet we don't seem to be doing many things about it past highlighting the issue. I've created this open discussion in the hopes that we can get something accomplished, be it [[A/PD|policy]], guidelines, behaviour change or all of them.<br />
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===Problem===<br />
''Add what you think the problem(s) are, but keep it short and to the point.''<br />
*It takes too long / can be drawn out.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*No problems with it. The only "problem" at the moment is that certain parties are taking great pleasure in abusing it. That's not a problem with the system. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 21:23, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*Yep, I agree with Cyberbob here. The problem is people aren't doing things in they way they're intended because it's not in their favor, and instead bitching about how it's not right.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*Too many loopholes, if a person doesnt want the case they just have to decline all arbitors.--{{User:Blood Panther/Sig}} 01:37, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===How to fix it===<br />
''Free-for-all commenting here.''<br />
*The problem with the arbitration system is the Arbitrators. Arbitrators need to realize what is a legitimate case and what isn't. I have seen so many arbitration cases which shouldn't have gotten past the first phase go all of the way through. The solution is to prevent people from letting these cases go through. This should not be a sysop job, but rather a job of the community. If there is a case which has no merit then it should be discarded. Of course if the community sees a case with merit being discarded then they should act to ensure that it remains. Action should only be taken once suitable discussion has occured however (you don't want edit wars raging). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:40/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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===Problem===<br />
''Add what you think the problem(s) are, but keep it short and to the point.''<br />
*It can take time to get a clear ruling, particularly in cases that are grey areas. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*No problems with it. The only "problem" at the moment is that certain parties are taking great pleasure in abusing it. That's not a problem with the system. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 21:23, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
*See my comment above.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===How to fix it===<br />
''Free-for-all commenting here.''</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration&diff=1363828UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration2009-01-16T01:32:28Z<p>Jedaz: Hate edit conflicts :(</p>
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While the wiki community attempts to work on the basis of encouragement and cooperation, there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord. In the event of this happening, the Arbitration Team may be called upon to intervene, and attempt to find a reasonable compromise that, while perhaps not satisfying both parties, may at least assist in defusing the situation, thanks to the unbiased third party.<br />
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=Guidelines for Arbitration Requests=<br />
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In assisting in Arbitration, we generally suggest that both parties agree to the Arbitration. This is not, by any means, a requirement, but we do require that both parties be represented in proceedings.<br />
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* '''The aggrieved parties.''' Either person vs person, or [list of people] vs [list of people].<br />
* '''The reason for the arbitration.''' This should very specifically be without reference to people, as that information has already been provided. It should be a short paragraph indicating the causes of the aggrievement, and why both parties feel it requires arbitration<br />
* '''Any pages affected by the aggrievement.''' This should be a simple list of links. <br />
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Once the Arbitration commences, the Arbitrator will request statements from all parties involved. Any evidence to back up one's statement should be provided in link form. Each party will then have an opportunity to rebut their opponent's statement. After these two steps, the Arbitrator will then consider the case, and reach a conclusion, and determine the outcome that is required. It's the duty of the Arbitrator to move a case he accepted to a subpage of UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration, and to update the status of the arbitration case in the [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Arbitration_Cases_in_Progress|Arbitration Cases in Progress]] section.<br />
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The following users have placed their hand up as users who are willing to be contacted to act as an Arbitrator. The role of Arbitrator is not restricted to the Administration Team; any user can be contacted as an Arbitrator and use this page for the arbitration, so long as both parties agree to the Arbitrator. Users who wish to place their hand up as an Arbitrator should place their name below on the list, using {{CodeInline|<nowiki>*{{usr|YourUserPage}}</nowiki>}}<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr]] and [[Mall Tour 2009]] versus [[User:Sgt_Raiden]]==<br />
Given the incompetence of the sysop team in ruling a vandalism case correctly, St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr, and The Mall Tour 2009 seek to prevent the user known as Sgt Raiden from making any further edits on this wiki concerning the Mall Tour 2009. I will accept [[User:Johnny Bass]], [[User:Dr Cory Bjornson]] and [[User:Fifth Element]] as arbitrators. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Call me stupid, but aren't Johnny and Fifth Element both working with the Mall Tour, and since the Mall Tour is named in this case... {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::OK, you're stupid. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I am not part of this case. [[User:Wiki Martyr|Wiki Martyr]] 06:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And there is no user named [[User:St. Iscariot|St. Iscariot]]. If there was we would permaban him as a sock puppet account made to mock. ... like you were.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Fixed in accordance with the users wishes. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FArbitration&diff=1363007&oldid=1363005 Iscariot], if you wish to take me to A/VB, feel free. I am not an alt and I am eager for you to make an arse of yourself. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 09:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Fiexed correctly, a user may be known as whatever they wish, see [[User:Krazy Monkey]], just because someone edits in bad faith does not limit their usage of a given moniker. You'll notice that I'm the only one that it links to as well. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::You can not call yourself Saint Iscariot any more than Sgt. Raiden could make a case against "Iscariot the Asshole that needs to shut the Fuck Up and give it a Rest". So, shut the fuck up and give it a rest.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC) <br />
::::Calling himself what he wants is very different from calling someone else an asshole. Cheese (aka [[User:Krazy Monkey]]) has been involved in a [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cheese vs DoctorRevive|couple]] of [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|cases]] as only “Cheese”, which is much further from his real username than St. Iscariot is from Iscariot's. Not to mention that there already exists a case involving a [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|St. Iscariot]]. So, why don't ''you'' give it a rest. Letting him call himself St. Iscariot isn't going to kill you. Or anyone else, for that matter. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 17:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Also, in the Archives, Cheese's first case does refer to him as Cheese AKA Krazy Monkey and Micheal Read is referred to as SexyLegsRead. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|Precedent]] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I r not newb. =/ Lrn to indent. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
LOL, quite a case to bring against a wiki newbie... seeking to forbid them from commenting on one of the major current events in the game, and giving them a list of arbitrators to pick from, all of whom are Mall Tourists. Noice <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:12 15 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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::You could have handed out a warning and reverted the contentious edit, and all of this would have been avoided, the warning itself would have been struck before the end of the Mall Tour 2009 given his rate of contributions. However, you didn't, and stated clearly that it was a matter for arbitration. You're always going on about how I don't follow correct procedure, well I did what you told me to do.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:So much for the user who claims its the sysops fault that users are being driven away from the wiki. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 10:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I reject you as a potential arbitrator. According to your own badly crafted guidelines, please refrain from posting on the main page of this case again. Take it to the talk page, I'm sure someone will read what you have to say. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I offer to arbitrate. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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How about before this turns into a totally irrelevant and bitter flame war, someone gets Sgt. Raiden to actually respond and accept or reject this case?--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:He's been notified on his talk page already. (And I don't believe you can reject a case.) --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think thats actually ever been tried, however, i think that rejecting (or rather refusing to take part) would be a valid response given that arbitration is by definition a process involving 2 parties agreeing to accept the input of a nuetral 3rd! In any event he can just refuse all arbitration until the case collapses... It's a shit way to do it; and should not really be allowed; but it is a tried and tested way to fuck with the system!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::And while I understand all of that, what I was getting at is why don't we give him a decent chance to respond before this page turns into an all out war.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What are the edits which have brought this case forth? All I can see is someone posting POV stuff. While I'm sure that [[User:Sgt_Raiden|Sgt Raiden]] needs a lesson on keeping his posts in an netural POV on suburb pages and what not, I don't see any reason in his edits for an arbitration case, let alone you trying to resolve the issue by you talking to him. As of such, unless you give me a really good reason not to archive this case, this case will be removed within the next few days. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:37/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:Link(s) are in [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Sgt_Raiden|this vandalism case]]. It appears from that case that Raiden has been posting false information about the Mall Tour, and impersonating others while doing so. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I saw the vandalism case. However it looks like a newbie mistake. As for the "false information", in cases like these most people would change the edit in question and leave a comment on the users talk page about it. Anyway, by the looks of things he made the claims about Mall Tour attacking when you guys were only 1 suburb away, so it's understandable that he would have thought that you guys were attacking. If you are refering to something else then please point it out, but this is a very common newbie mistake. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:03/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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:The following is directed at Jedaz. Quoting from the Arbitration Guidelines ''"When two or more users don't agree on how a page should be edited, a case in arbitration should be created, so an outside and neutral person can help solve the conflict"''. The Mall Tour 2009 disagrees with the outright lies he is posting about our group, see [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Stickling_Mall&diff=prev&oldid=1359395 this edit]. I have access to all levels of the public and private Mall Tour boards and coded the entire Mall Tour 2009 pages. I announce the targets and decide where the Tour will progress to. He is lying about the Tour, and by the definition of the Arbitration Guidelines the two parties in this arbitration disagree with his edits; he believes he can make them, we dispute them. Therefore arbitration. Arbitration was also recommended by a current sysop on this wiki as a way to resolve the obvious differences. I reject any offer to arbitrate you may make , and so, following Arbitration Guidelines I invite you to confine your responses to the talk page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Considering you haven't even spoken to the other user, bar telling him to come here, I think you've misinterpreted Boxy's statement. Usually, a dispute as trivial as this can be solved by simply leaving a polite request on the user's talk page, ''especially'' in the case where the user is relatively new to the wiki. If they then continue to edit in the manner that aggrieves you, ''then'' you bring it here. Arbitration should be a last resort in an edit dispute where normal dialogue has failed, not the first. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 01:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::And I quote Boxy ''"As to him being annoying, that's a matter for arbies -- boxy talk • teh rulz 04:46 15 January 2009 (BST)"''. We find him annoying, hence arbies at Boxy's suggestion. That sentence is not open to interpretation. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::So your reason for arbitration is 1 edit? 1 edit which you did not even talk to the user about. Talk to him first and then you may have a case if you can't resolve the dispute, but until then you have nothing. Arbitration isn't designed to be the first place you take your issues, the other persons talk page is. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:12/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:::Now I know you aren't paying attention, you say one edit and at the same time that you've read the vandalism case, there are two distinct edits, even though the first one was removed he continued his behaviour. I'm not required to talk with a user first, unless you want to bring me a policy or statute that says otherwise. We at the Mall Tour have enough to do without reverting every single edit made by idiots. This will remove an idiot. This is what arbitration is for. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh really? I was sure it was for the settling of edit disputes. =O Wait...it is. ''This will remove an idiot. This is what arbitration is for.'' Is this an admittance that the case was created in bad faith, purely to drive a user from the wiki? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 01:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Ah yes, I forgot you were a letter of the rules type person. If you read the first paragraph of this page you will see that it says that "there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord", you have made no attempt to reach a solution. The basis of arbitration is to find a fair resolution for both parties who are unable to come to one on their own. So while it may not be written in stone, you are going against the spirit of what arbitration is all about by not trying to resolve your issue reasonably beforehand. Precedence has shown cases to be thrown out if the person who brought fourth the case did not try to resolve it prior to arbitration. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:32/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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*[[:Category:Arbitration Cases|List of Arbitration Cases]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Jedaz&diff=1363803User talk:Jedaz2009-01-16T01:16:31Z<p>Jedaz: /* Welcome back */</p>
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==Archive==<br />
#[[User_talk:Jedaz/Archive1|Archive 1]] - 03:44, 9 June 2006 (BST)<br />
#[[User_talk:Jedaz/Archive2|Archive 2]] - 13:36, 25 August 2006 (BST)<br />
#[[User_talk:Jedaz/Archive3|Archive 3]] - 03:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
#[[User_talk:Jedaz/Archive4|Archive 4]] - 10:43, 10 July 2007 (BST)<br />
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==Welcome back==<br />
Always nice to have a voice of reason back on the wiki. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 01:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I think you're cool too! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Heh, thanks. I see a few things have changed since last time, and quite a few things haven't (same ol drama =P). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:16/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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==Broken?==<br />
[http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php Is this] yours? If so, it has stopped working and I need to block things... again. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:39, 9 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, it is mine, but it used [http://www.urbandead.info/maps/max_map/ Maxes map] database as a backend. Since the database is down the tool isn't working, and there isn't any easy way to get the information needed to get it running again. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:13/12/06/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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==Plotting Tool==<br />
I was wondering if you could make a tool like the one from before, the Locations Blocker thing, that output wiki code based on a map point. One that could work with [[User:Karek/ProjDev/DoHS|this]] type code, all it needs to output is variables, 1 for building name, 1 for building type for each building over a predesignated area(like the Max Map used to do). The rest can be done with a generic template and any future map template(that means all the building type needs to be is 1 word for each building type like cemetery or factory, not actual code).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:17, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hmm... I could if I had the information to work with. Max's map is down due to DB issues, unfortunatly that means that I don't have access the information to make the tool. So I need to get the information somehow. However what you are describing is fesable. I might get organised later and generate some regular expressions to extract the information needed from the pages on the wiki. I'll keep you posted. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- <span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">05:57/8/04/2008</span>'''<br />
::Would [http://blunderb.us/cgi-bin/zedmap.pl this] help? It seems to function much like Max's map did.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:21, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Hmm... probably not, not unless the owner is willing to export a copy of the database for us. Sorry I'm taking so long to respond, as you can probably tell I'm not too active these days =P - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- <span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:22/16/04/2008</span>'''<br />
::::Tis ok, I wasn't actually expecting you to respond at all for said reason.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:20, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Hmm... I think I've made some headway with this project. I've been able to convert the templates into a useable format. I'll just have to transfer this information into a database and then we'll see what we can do about getting what you want (maybe I can get Max maps working again while I'm at it, lol). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- <span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">14:32/16/04/2008</span>'''<br />
:::::Looks like it probably won't happen. The database access restrictions on urbandead.info won't allow me to create a table to put the map information into it. I don't have anywhere else that I can put it either. Sorry I couldn't be any more help. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- <span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">10:31/1/05/2008</span>'''<br />
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==Why Drop==<br />
The awesome sig you had? Wanna go streamlined, do you? --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 07:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I was over it. I no longer found it interesting, so I let it go. The one I've got at the moment will probably change as soon as I think of a new one, but for now it'll do. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] <span style="font-size: xx-small;color:#558">'''[07:56, 13 January 2008 (BST)]'''</span><br />
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==A fresh Zomburger for you!==<br />
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Jedaz, I see you have arbitrated on the McZeds deal. I am currently respecting Amazing's deal with Zod for ownership but I am interested in there being only one McZeds. None of this player-confusing "New" mess. It only dilutes the humor of the whole concept. I have contacted New McZeds in the hope of reaching an agreement. If not, would I have a strong case against them using my images and menu and such? This is assuming Zod transfers ownership back to me, of course. Thanks for the ear! VIVA LOS ZOMBURGERS! --[[User:Atari Techno|Atari Techno]] 01:25, 18 September 2007 (BST)<br />
:If you can make an agreement then thats fine. As long as you both reach an agreement about it then the arbitration ruling can be ignored. I only did it in the intrests of preserving the page in it's original format. As for the case, well I doubt you have a leg to stand on as anyone can use the images and content on this wiki. You could however bring it to arbitration and argue that [[User:Stuartbman|Stuartbman]] is trying to dilute your group or something. Anyway it would be very difficult to argue and would cause alot of drama. Just make sure you contact him first though (to show that you at least tried sorting this out), some arbitrators wouldn't look too kindly on not doing that. Worst comes to worst you could always remove the link to "new McZeds" from the McZeds page (which would probably lead to an edit war). At the very least that would keep everyone focused on the old McZeds. But as I said, talk to him first and try sorting it out before doing anything else. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 01:53, 18 September 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
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==Damn==<br />
Couldn't have timed that [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Signature_Race/Nomination-Voting&curid=49309&diff=806174&oldid=804583&rcid=820677 vote better] if I tried! >:( <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 11:55 2 September 2007 (BST)</small><br />
:Heh, better luck next time. Congragulations on winning though. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 11:58, 2 September 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
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== Every visit a pleasure! ==<br />
Spoony! Once again your wit inspires me to better things. Cripes! Yikes! Yippee! - [[MiniGemmel]]<br />
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== Thanks for dropping by! ==<br />
Was lovely to meet young Spoonerism in Malton the other day, and my the gentleman (right honorable) was chatty! Simply can't wait to meet again =) - [[MiniGemmel]]<br />
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==Thanks Mate!==<br />
Thanks for sticking up for me with the latest humorous suggestion drama. I don't like being called a bigot much. Mind you, Naikill is entitled to his point of veiw I guess. Nice if he let everone else have that right, huh?--[[User:Seventythree|Seventythree]] 18:32, 28 August 2007 (BST)<br />
:Thats alright. I know how it feels myself to be a target of drama, so it's the least I could do. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 01:38, 29 August 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
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==Location Block Tool==<br />
'''[http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php Teh Tool]'''<br />
:Is there any way to get it to recognise necrotech buildings, Jedaz? -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 11:16, 19 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::Should be, I'll just see if Max has included it onto his maps database, otherwise I'll have to grab the data from elsewhere. I'll let you know. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 11:21, 19 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
::Alright, it's good now. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 11:30, 19 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:::Excellent. The category for them is Necrotech Buildings though :) -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 11:39, 19 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::::Heh, whoops, I must have missed that. It's fixed now. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 11:54, 19 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:::::Couple more little things. Category:Churchs => Category:Churches, and could you take out the square brackets around the actual location itself in the locationblock (it's just that it makes a link to the disambig page when the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=St._Juan%27s_Church_%28Whittenside%29&diff=744870&oldid=744866 pagename isn't the same as the location name]) -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 07:53, 20 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::::::Oh, yeah I'll get onto that. By the way you may want to find out why [[Factory 66,58]] was blanked, I saw it just recently in the recent changes. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 07:57, 20 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:::::::Someone thinking that location pages are their own personal space again I expect. Thanks -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 08:03, 20 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::::::::Yeah, I thought so. Anyway the tool is updated. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 08:32, 20 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:::Another one for ya, Category:Auto Repairs => Category:Auto Repair Shops. Just did pretty much all of [[Tapton]] in 40 minutes... it would have taken me that long to do the buildings the old way :) -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 09:40, 20 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::::Alrighty, fixed. Thats good to hear that they can be done with so much more ease now =) - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 13:14, 20 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:Hey Jedaz, how much trouble would it be to get it to detect the edges of suburbs, and put in a {{c|red|<nowiki><br /><small>([[Mudkipsville]])</small></nowiki>}} for blocks that are over the border in a different suburb to the actual page location? ([[Club Tremlett|Example]]) -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 03:39, 23 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::It's fairly easy, I just fixed it up. So it should work like that now. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 07:27, 23 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:I love this tool... =) brilliant idea. <sub>with a petit mistake =P. try [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php 89,52]. funny.</sub> -- {{User:Goebi/sig5}} 17:52, 24 July 2007 (BST)<br />
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:love the tool too, but found a minor bug. Tool [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=The_Champneys_Building&diff=754925&oldid=754924 thought] that Mallack Museum is a Mall =)<br />
:Also, could you make so that categories for buildings with "The", for example "The Champneys Building" would appear not like <nowiki>[[Category:Buildings]]</nowiki>, but <nowiki>[[Category:Buildings|Champneys Building, the]]</nowiki> ? <br />
:and another things that need to be fixed manually is when location wiki links are actually leading to disamb' pages - they need to be replaced with de-disamb'ed links. But i guess this is quite hard to implement --[[User:Duke Garland|Duke Garland]]<sub>[[User talk:Duke Garland|T]]</sub><sup>[[LCD]] [[SSZ]]</sup> 11:40, 28 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::I've fixed those two bugs (sorry for taking so long) and added the category thing. As for the disambig links, I'll see what I can do. It should be a fairly simple sql query to find out if there are duplicates, and then link to the right page if there are. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 08:53, 29 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:::I had a look at checking for duplicate names, but it looks like it would take a long time doing that. Just checking out Max's map (which use the same database) it looks like it takes just under 16 seconds to get the entire map. So since the 9 locations would have to be checked against the 10,000 locations, it would take at least 9 times longer then it took the map to load them up. So it isn't fesable to have that function unfortunately. Once every location is blocked we'll check out the [[:Category:Disambiguation|disambig pages]] and adjust the links to them accordingly. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 11:09, 29 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
I updated http://maps.urbandead.info with a link to this useful tool. '''All your location are block to us!''' <sub>[[NT Status Map|.]]</sub> <sup>[[:Category:Imagine|.]]</sup> <sub>[[User:Swiers|. swiers]]</sub> [[Image:BigEYEwitnessLOGO.png|60px]] 16:43, 28 July 2007 (BST)<br />
:Nice. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 08:53, 29 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:'''All your location are block to us!''' :) The [[Location Nuts]] may have a new motto! <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 11:26 Sunday July 2007 (BST)</small><br />
Another little bug. The [[City_Zoo#Map_of_the_City_Zoo|Zoo Buildings]] (aquarium, elephant house, etc) color should be "Zoo", and the empty zoo blocks "Zoo Empty" <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 12:47 Monday July 2007 (BST)</small><br />
:Alright, it should work now. I'll probably need to make a fix for the forts now that I think about it. I'll get around to that when time comes. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 13:06, 30 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
::Cheers. I think I went around one of the forts a while ago... so you may want to check them (it might be too late to worry) <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 13:19 Monday July 2007 (BST)</small><br />
:::I think I may leave the forts to be done by hand, they seem to have a special format which I don't want to think about coding at the moment. Anyway the forts seem fine by the looks of things. BTW, nice sig =P - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 13:25, 30 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
::::Probably shoulda done the zoo by hand too... you've made me too lazy, Jedaz ;) <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 13:36 Monday July 2007 (BST)</small><br />
:::::Sloth! Sloth i say!!! p.s. i already did "south" surroundings of Creedy by hands. --[[User:Duke Garland|Duke Garland]]<sub>[[User talk:Duke Garland|T]]</sub><sup>[[LCD]] [[SSZ]]</sup> 13:44, 30 July 2007 (BST)<br />
Hey Jed, would you mind updating your location maker so that it's category tags for pages starting with "the" is <nowiki>[[Category:Buildings|Passive Building, the]]</nowiki> <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 12:04 27 August 2007 (BST)</small><br />
:It would be needed for buildings, necrotechs, museums and hotel/motels (I think that's the lot) <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 12:06 27 August 2007 (BST)</small><br />
::Alright, updated. I think I got that right, let me know if anything shows up funny. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 12:33, 27 August 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
:::Thanks, looks to work fine :) <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 13:05 27 August 2007 (BST)</small><br />
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Someone screwing around with User:DangerReports got me thinking about how it could be used and then I remembered this. For buildings, think you can add <nowiki>{{User:DangerReport/{{PAGENAME}}}}</nowiki>, saves me time. After all, what use is the tool if it doesn't help me?--{{User:Karek/sig}} 07:16, 8 October 2007 (BST)<br />
:Danger reports for *every* location won't be useful. If you can specify the particular buildings as to where it would be needed, then I might consider adding it. But it is my understanding that the danger reports are only as useful as long as they get updated. So if a building doesn't have one already I doubt that the danger report would be very helpful. By the way, have you tried to block by hand? I don't think you would be saying that the tool doesn't help you if you have ;) - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 07:30, 8 October 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
::I have, didn't dislike it. I prefer doing my coding myself, less errors and makes me harder, faster, better, stronger. --{{User:Karek/sig}} 09:47, 8 October 2007 (BST)<br />
:::Less errors? If the auto-blocker makes something which breaks the location style guide then please let me know so I can fix it up (the exception is linking to buildings with names that are duplicated, an issue which can not be feasibly dealt with server side). That mantra that you have is akin to "Work harder, not smarter". But hey, if you want to do the coding yourself then thats fine, no one is twisting your arm to use the blocking tool. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 10:44, 8 October 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
::::Motto? Was lyrics from a Daft Punk song, thought it would fit in a discussion about technology.--{{User:Karek/sig}} 11:22, 8 October 2007 (BST)<br />
:::::Ah, sorry, my mistake. I don't listen to Daft Punk, or much music at all these days. A large majority of the newer stuff is crap. I liked it when music was actually good (before early 2000's). Too many people are in it for the money and not for the sake of music now-a-days - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 11:30, 8 October 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
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== RE: For those who've done ''real'' work on the suggestions system ==<br />
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Is this for help with the ''system'' or with ''suggestions''? [[Talk:Suggestions|&#39;]][[User:Armareum|arm]][[User_talk:Armareum|.]] 22:12, 9 July 2007 (BST)<br />
:Heh, it was designed for people who moved suggestions from the main page to the previous days pages, or placed the suggestions into peer reviewed, rejected and undecided. Of course thats not saying that helping people develop suggestions isn't real work, it's just not as monotonous as cycling. However voting on a suggestion doesn't count as work =P - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 03:52, 10 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
::Well, I've moved probably two dozen suggestions to rejected/reviewed/spam/dupe, and I'm trying to take care of the [[Talk:Suggestions]] page. So I'm going to take a copy for my userpage. [[Talk:Suggestions|&#39;]][[User:Armareum|arm]][[User_talk:Armareum|.]] 03:15, 15 July 2007 (BST)<br />
:::Thats cool. I think you've earned it if you've done that much, so go ahead. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 09:32, 15 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:Hey Jed, can you see why that suggestion page shows up as including this template on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:SW the whatlinkshere page]? Was looking at it earlier and couldn't work it out -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 09:48, 15 July 2007 (BST)<br />
::That is confusing. I'll see what I can do.... - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 10:01, 15 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:::Heh, solved, the inclusion of the suggestions talk page gave it away XD - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 10:19, 15 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
::::Weird! But nice find -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 09:32, 16 July 2007 (BST)<br />
:::::Thanks, but surprisingly it wasn't so weird, it was a newbies mistake when he was trying to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion%3A20070622_More_realism....less_frustration&diff=706840&oldid=706739 link to the suggestions talk page]. He used <nowiki>{{Talk:Suggestions}}</nowiki> rather then linking it properly. I let him know what to do in the future. By the way, congragulations on being reinstated as Bureaucrat, keep up the good work. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 10:27, 16 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
::::::Oh yeah, the newbie error isn't that weird... it's just the fact that the talk page wasn't actually included in the suggestion page (we'd notice that I think, that page is a monster), but a template on the talk page was still shown as being included on the suggestion page anyway. The ways of the wiki are truly mysterious ;) -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 11:21, 16 July 2007 (BST)<br />
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==Love==<br />
The new sig! --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 13:10, 14 July 2007 (BST)<br />
:Heh, thanks. It's much better then it was IMO. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 09:32, 15 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
::I must join to Dux... :) And if you don't mind I steal bit from it (timing)... but I'm in Central Europe, so can I somehow do a sig with (CEST) timing? -- {{User:Goebi/sig2}} 12:29, 17 July 2007 (BST)<br />
:: Like this: {{User:Goebi/sig4}}<br />
:::Heh, thanks. I don't really mind you stealing the timing. As for having Central Europe timing, I don't know if it's posible. It may work if you change the time offset in your prefrences so that it is CEST, you'll have to use <nowiki>{{LOCALTIME}}</nowiki> rather then <nowiki>{{CURRENTTIME}}</nowiki> However, a quick experiment I did just then, I don't know if it'll work but it's worth checking out. Also you will need to subst in your signature if you are going to format the time, otherwise it will change each time the page is viewed. So in your prefrences under nickname it should look like <nowiki>{{subst:User:Goebi/sig4|subst=subst:}}</nowiki> The code for the signature is otherwise set up right by the looks of things. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 15:20, 17 July 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 3</span><br />
:::: I paste that stuff at my preferences, but I think it's still overwrite my later edits... And thanks for the help :) I'm not really a code developer... =P. -- <font face="brie light"> [[User:Goebi|<font style="color:black;">goebi</font>]]</font face> <font face="arial black">[[User_talk:Goebi|<font style="color:DarkOrange;">o</font style>]][[User:Goebi/help|<font style="color:DeepPink;">o</font style>]] [[Lfs team|<font style="color:Orange;">o</font style>]][[Malton_Rail|<font style="color:grey;">o</font style>]][[NT_Mappers|<font style="color:brown;">o</font style>]][[Project_Welcome|<font style="color:CornflowerBlue;">o</font style>]]</font face> <font face=verdana"><font style="color:black; font-size:80%">19:01, 17 July 2007 (BST)</font face></font> <font face="brie light">[[:Category:Style Up!|<font face="arial black"><font style="color:DarkOrange;">o</font style></font face> <font style="color:black;">style up!</font>]]</font face><br />
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==Stll here==<br />
Are you still here, or are you in a wiki-coma just like Vista? --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 04:04, 25 August 2007 (BST)<br />
:I'm still around. I'm not very active though obviously. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 04:06, 25 August 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
::Ah I see. Hey, could you give me your raw sig code on my talk page? Thanks. --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 04:22, 25 August 2007 (BST)<br />
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==The snipes==<br />
Stop them. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[CGR]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 12:25, 30 August 2007 (BST)<br />
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== Civility policy ==<br />
I dunno how aware you are of these discussions, but Kevan proposed that a civility policy could be enacted and I'm writing one. Your input would be great =): [[User:Matthewfarenheit/Sandbox/Civility]]. Use the page's talk page for discussion. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 08:01, 3 September 2007 (BST)<br />
:I've been keeping an eye on the conversation. I'll read it, but I'll be honest with you. I doubt that it will even pass no matter what form it takes. The culture of saying what you want how you want is deeply entrenched within the communities attitude and many people will be resistant to the change. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 08:05, 3 September 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
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== This is going to sound crazy... ==<br />
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In a rather bazaar twist of fate an albeit rather small portion of the evidence I will be presenting in the arbitration case vs. Akule turns out to be based on your wiki contribs. I hope that it would not jeopardized your impartiality should you be chosen as arbiter. In any event thank you for tidying up the arbiter selection ballot. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 06:05, 14 September 2007 (BST)<br />
:No worries about that, if no one did anything to clear it up then it'ld be a horrible mess and it'ld go nowhere. Anyway I don't belive it should jeopardize my impartiality. The only significant interaction that I've had with Akule is a heated discussion which he had a valid point in (and which I recognised, but I belive my point is also valid). I'm not going to hold it against him that he has different opinions and interpretations then me. I'ld actually be shocked if people didn't have different opinions. - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 06:38, 14 September 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span><br />
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=== re:McZeds Talk ===<br />
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Quick trigger there ;^) --[[User:Karlsbad|Karlsbad]] 06:51, 14 September 2007 (BST)<br />
:It's probably one of my quickest posts to date =P - <span style="font-size: xx-small; color: #CD9">If [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] =<span style="color:#777"> 06:53, 14 September 2007 (BST) </span>then pi = 2 [[Signature Race|+ 1]]</span></div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration&diff=1363797UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration2009-01-16T01:12:09Z<p>Jedaz: /* St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr and Mall Tour 2009 versus User:Sgt_Raiden */</p>
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While the wiki community attempts to work on the basis of encouragement and cooperation, there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord. In the event of this happening, the Arbitration Team may be called upon to intervene, and attempt to find a reasonable compromise that, while perhaps not satisfying both parties, may at least assist in defusing the situation, thanks to the unbiased third party.<br />
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=Guidelines for Arbitration Requests=<br />
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In assisting in Arbitration, we generally suggest that both parties agree to the Arbitration. This is not, by any means, a requirement, but we do require that both parties be represented in proceedings.<br />
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Any Arbitration request should provide at least the following:<br />
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* '''The aggrieved parties.''' Either person vs person, or [list of people] vs [list of people].<br />
* '''The reason for the arbitration.''' This should very specifically be without reference to people, as that information has already been provided. It should be a short paragraph indicating the causes of the aggrievement, and why both parties feel it requires arbitration<br />
* '''Any pages affected by the aggrievement.''' This should be a simple list of links. <br />
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Once the Arbitration commences, the Arbitrator will request statements from all parties involved. Any evidence to back up one's statement should be provided in link form. Each party will then have an opportunity to rebut their opponent's statement. After these two steps, the Arbitrator will then consider the case, and reach a conclusion, and determine the outcome that is required. It's the duty of the Arbitrator to move a case he accepted to a subpage of UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration, and to update the status of the arbitration case in the [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Arbitration_Cases_in_Progress|Arbitration Cases in Progress]] section.<br />
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As a note, by requesting an Arbitration, all parties are thus obliged to accept the outcome of the Arbitration. Not doing will be considered Vandalism, and such vandalism attempts will be treated as if the vandal has already received two warnings.<br />
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After the Arbitration is over, it will then be moved to an archive page. As publicly accessible pages, they may be used to establish precedent in further, applicable cases.<br />
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=Current Arbitrators=<br />
:''For guidelines on how to arbitrate, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration Guidelines|Arbitration Guidelines]].''<br />
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The following users have placed their hand up as users who are willing to be contacted to act as an Arbitrator. The role of Arbitrator is not restricted to the Administration Team; any user can be contacted as an Arbitrator and use this page for the arbitration, so long as both parties agree to the Arbitrator. Users who wish to place their hand up as an Arbitrator should place their name below on the list, using {{CodeInline|<nowiki>*{{usr|YourUserPage}}</nowiki>}}<br />
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Also note that not all listed Arbitrators are active on the Wiki.<br />
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*[[User:Boxy|boxy]]<br />
*[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]]<br />
*[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<br />
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*[[User:Drawde|Drawde]]<br />
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*[[User:Galaxy125|Galaxy125]]<br />
*[[User:hagnat|hagnat]]<br />
*[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]<br />
*[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]<br />
*[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]<br />
*[[User:J3D|J3D]]<br />
*[[User:Karek|Karek]]<br />
*[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]]<br />
*{{user|Labine50}}<br />
*{{user|Linkthewindow}}<br />
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*[[User:Sexylegsread|MichaelRead]]<br />
*[[user:Nubis|Nubis]]<br />
*[[User:Sergeant William Holt|Sergeant William Holt]]<br />
*[[User:SirArgo|SirArgo]]<br />
*[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]]<br />
*[[User:Suicidalangel|Suicidal Angel]]<br />
*[[User:The General|The General]]<br />
*[[User:Toejam|Toejam]]<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr]] and [[Mall Tour 2009]] versus [[User:Sgt_Raiden]]==<br />
Given the incompetence of the sysop team in ruling a vandalism case correctly, St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr, and The Mall Tour 2009 seek to prevent the user known as Sgt Raiden from making any further edits on this wiki concerning the Mall Tour 2009. I will accept [[User:Johnny Bass]], [[User:Dr Cory Bjornson]] and [[User:Fifth Element]] as arbitrators. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Call me stupid, but aren't Johnny and Fifth Element both working with the Mall Tour, and since the Mall Tour is named in this case... {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::OK, you're stupid. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I am not part of this case. [[User:Wiki Martyr|Wiki Martyr]] 06:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And there is no user named [[User:St. Iscariot|St. Iscariot]]. If there was we would permaban him as a sock puppet account made to mock. ... like you were.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Fixed in accordance with the users wishes. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FArbitration&diff=1363007&oldid=1363005 Iscariot], if you wish to take me to A/VB, feel free. I am not an alt and I am eager for you to make an arse of yourself. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 09:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Fiexed correctly, a user may be known as whatever they wish, see [[User:Krazy Monkey]], just because someone edits in bad faith does not limit their usage of a given moniker. You'll notice that I'm the only one that it links to as well. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::You can not call yourself Saint Iscariot any more than Sgt. Raiden could make a case against "Iscariot the Asshole that needs to shut the Fuck Up and give it a Rest". So, shut the fuck up and give it a rest.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC) <br />
::::Calling himself what he wants is very different from calling someone else an asshole. Cheese (aka [[User:Krazy Monkey]]) has been involved in a [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cheese vs DoctorRevive|couple]] of [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|cases]] as only “Cheese”, which is much further from his real username than St. Iscariot is from Iscariot's. Not to mention that there already exists a case involving a [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|St. Iscariot]]. So, why don't ''you'' give it a rest. Letting him call himself St. Iscariot isn't going to kill you. Or anyone else, for that matter. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 17:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Also, in the Archives, Cheese's first case does refer to him as Cheese AKA Krazy Monkey and Micheal Read is referred to as SexyLegsRead. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|Precedent]] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I r not newb. =/ Lrn to indent. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
LOL, quite a case to bring against a wiki newbie... seeking to forbid them from commenting on one of the major current events in the game, and giving them a list of arbitrators to pick from, all of whom are Mall Tourists. Noice <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:12 15 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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::You could have handed out a warning and reverted the contentious edit, and all of this would have been avoided, the warning itself would have been struck before the end of the Mall Tour 2009 given his rate of contributions. However, you didn't, and stated clearly that it was a matter for arbitration. You're always going on about how I don't follow correct procedure, well I did what you told me to do.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:So much for the user who claims its the sysops fault that users are being driven away from the wiki. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 10:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I reject you as a potential arbitrator. According to your own badly crafted guidelines, please refrain from posting on the main page of this case again. Take it to the talk page, I'm sure someone will read what you have to say. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I offer to arbitrate. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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How about before this turns into a totally irrelevant and bitter flame war, someone gets Sgt. Raiden to actually respond and accept or reject this case?--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:He's been notified on his talk page already. (And I don't believe you can reject a case.) --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think thats actually ever been tried, however, i think that rejecting (or rather refusing to take part) would be a valid response given that arbitration is by definition a process involving 2 parties agreeing to accept the input of a nuetral 3rd! In any event he can just refuse all arbitration until the case collapses... It's a shit way to do it; and should not really be allowed; but it is a tried and tested way to fuck with the system!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::And while I understand all of that, what I was getting at is why don't we give him a decent chance to respond before this page turns into an all out war.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What are the edits which have brought this case forth? All I can see is someone posting POV stuff. While I'm sure that [[User:Sgt_Raiden|Sgt Raiden]] needs a lesson on keeping his posts in an netural POV on suburb pages and what not, I don't see any reason in his edits for an arbitration case, let alone you trying to resolve the issue by you talking to him. As of such, unless you give me a really good reason not to archive this case, this case will be removed within the next few days. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:37/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:Link(s) are in [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Sgt_Raiden|this vandalism case]]. It appears from that case that Raiden has been posting false information about the Mall Tour, and impersonating others while doing so. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I saw the vandalism case. However it looks like a newbie mistake. As for the "false information", in cases like these most people would change the edit in question and leave a comment on the users talk page about it. Anyway, by the looks of things he made the claims about Mall Tour attacking when you guys were only 1 suburb away, so it's understandable that he would have thought that you guys were attacking. If you are refering to something else then please point it out, but this is a very common newbie mistake. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:03/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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:The following is directed at Jedaz. Quoting from the Arbitration Guidelines ''"When two or more users don't agree on how a page should be edited, a case in arbitration should be created, so an outside and neutral person can help solve the conflict"''. The Mall Tour 2009 disagrees with the outright lies he is posting about our group, see [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Stickling_Mall&diff=prev&oldid=1359395 this edit]. I have access to all levels of the public and private Mall Tour boards and coded the entire Mall Tour 2009 pages. I announce the targets and decide where the Tour will progress to. He is lying about the Tour, and by the definition of the Arbitration Guidelines the two parties in this arbitration disagree with his edits; he believes he can make them, we dispute them. Therefore arbitration. Arbitration was also recommended by a current sysop on this wiki as a way to resolve the obvious differences. I reject any offer to arbitrate you may make , and so, following Arbitration Guidelines I invite you to confine your responses to the talk page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Considering you haven't even spoken to the other user, bar telling him to come here, I think you've misinterpreted Boxy's statement. Usually, a dispute as trivial as this can be solved by simply leaving a polite request on the user's talk page, ''especially'' in the case where the user is relatively new to the wiki. If they then continue to edit in the manner that aggrieves you, ''then'' you bring it here. Arbitration should be a last resort in an edit dispute where normal dialogue has failed, not the first. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 01:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::So your reason for arbitration is 1 edit? 1 edit which you did not even talk to the user about. Talk to him first and then you may have a case if you can't resolve the dispute, but until then you have nothing. Arbitration isn't designed to be the first place you take your issues, the other persons talk page is. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:12/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service vs Umbrella Corporation|Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service vs Umbrella Corporation]]==<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Kristi of the Dead vs Recruitment|Kristi of the Dead vs. Recruitment]]== <br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St. Iscariot versus Boxy|St. Iscariot vs. Boxy]]==<br />
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*[[:Category:Arbitration Cases|List of Arbitration Cases]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration&diff=1363790UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration2009-01-16T01:03:57Z<p>Jedaz: /* St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr and Mall Tour 2009 versus User:Sgt_Raiden */</p>
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While the wiki community attempts to work on the basis of encouragement and cooperation, there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord. In the event of this happening, the Arbitration Team may be called upon to intervene, and attempt to find a reasonable compromise that, while perhaps not satisfying both parties, may at least assist in defusing the situation, thanks to the unbiased third party.<br />
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=Guidelines for Arbitration Requests=<br />
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In assisting in Arbitration, we generally suggest that both parties agree to the Arbitration. This is not, by any means, a requirement, but we do require that both parties be represented in proceedings.<br />
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Any Arbitration request should provide at least the following:<br />
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* '''The aggrieved parties.''' Either person vs person, or [list of people] vs [list of people].<br />
* '''The reason for the arbitration.''' This should very specifically be without reference to people, as that information has already been provided. It should be a short paragraph indicating the causes of the aggrievement, and why both parties feel it requires arbitration<br />
* '''Any pages affected by the aggrievement.''' This should be a simple list of links. <br />
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Once the Arbitration commences, the Arbitrator will request statements from all parties involved. Any evidence to back up one's statement should be provided in link form. Each party will then have an opportunity to rebut their opponent's statement. After these two steps, the Arbitrator will then consider the case, and reach a conclusion, and determine the outcome that is required. It's the duty of the Arbitrator to move a case he accepted to a subpage of UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration, and to update the status of the arbitration case in the [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Arbitration_Cases_in_Progress|Arbitration Cases in Progress]] section.<br />
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As a note, by requesting an Arbitration, all parties are thus obliged to accept the outcome of the Arbitration. Not doing will be considered Vandalism, and such vandalism attempts will be treated as if the vandal has already received two warnings.<br />
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After the Arbitration is over, it will then be moved to an archive page. As publicly accessible pages, they may be used to establish precedent in further, applicable cases.<br />
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=Current Arbitrators=<br />
:''For guidelines on how to arbitrate, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration Guidelines|Arbitration Guidelines]].''<br />
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The following users have placed their hand up as users who are willing to be contacted to act as an Arbitrator. The role of Arbitrator is not restricted to the Administration Team; any user can be contacted as an Arbitrator and use this page for the arbitration, so long as both parties agree to the Arbitrator. Users who wish to place their hand up as an Arbitrator should place their name below on the list, using {{CodeInline|<nowiki>*{{usr|YourUserPage}}</nowiki>}}<br />
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Also note that not all listed Arbitrators are active on the Wiki.<br />
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*[[User:AnimeSucks|AnimeSucks]]<br />
*[[User:Axe Hack|Axe Hack]]<br />
*[[User:Blood Panther|Blood Panther]]<br />
*[[User:Boxy|boxy]]<br />
*[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]]<br />
*[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<br />
*[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]]<br />
*[[User:Drawde|Drawde]]<br />
*[[User: Gus Thomas|Gus Thomas]]<br />
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*[[User:Galaxy125|Galaxy125]]<br />
*[[User:hagnat|hagnat]]<br />
*[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]<br />
*[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]<br />
*[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]<br />
*[[User:J3D|J3D]]<br />
*[[User:Karek|Karek]]<br />
*[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]]<br />
*{{user|Labine50}}<br />
*{{user|Linkthewindow}}<br />
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*[[User:Sexylegsread|MichaelRead]]<br />
*[[user:Nubis|Nubis]]<br />
*[[User:Sergeant William Holt|Sergeant William Holt]]<br />
*[[User:SirArgo|SirArgo]]<br />
*[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]]<br />
*[[User:Suicidalangel|Suicidal Angel]]<br />
*[[User:The General|The General]]<br />
*[[User:Toejam|Toejam]]<br />
*[[User:Zombie slay3r|Z. slay3r]]<br />
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=Arbitration Cases Currently Under Consideration=<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr]] and [[Mall Tour 2009]] versus [[User:Sgt_Raiden]]==<br />
Given the incompetence of the sysop team in ruling a vandalism case correctly, St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr, and The Mall Tour 2009 seek to prevent the user known as Sgt Raiden from making any further edits on this wiki concerning the Mall Tour 2009. I will accept [[User:Johnny Bass]], [[User:Dr Cory Bjornson]] and [[User:Fifth Element]] as arbitrators. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Call me stupid, but aren't Johnny and Fifth Element both working with the Mall Tour, and since the Mall Tour is named in this case... {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::OK, you're stupid. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I am not part of this case. [[User:Wiki Martyr|Wiki Martyr]] 06:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And there is no user named [[User:St. Iscariot|St. Iscariot]]. If there was we would permaban him as a sock puppet account made to mock. ... like you were.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Fixed in accordance with the users wishes. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FArbitration&diff=1363007&oldid=1363005 Iscariot], if you wish to take me to A/VB, feel free. I am not an alt and I am eager for you to make an arse of yourself. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 09:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Fiexed correctly, a user may be known as whatever they wish, see [[User:Krazy Monkey]], just because someone edits in bad faith does not limit their usage of a given moniker. You'll notice that I'm the only one that it links to as well. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::You can not call yourself Saint Iscariot any more than Sgt. Raiden could make a case against "Iscariot the Asshole that needs to shut the Fuck Up and give it a Rest". So, shut the fuck up and give it a rest.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC) <br />
::::Calling himself what he wants is very different from calling someone else an asshole. Cheese (aka [[User:Krazy Monkey]]) has been involved in a [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cheese vs DoctorRevive|couple]] of [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|cases]] as only “Cheese”, which is much further from his real username than St. Iscariot is from Iscariot's. Not to mention that there already exists a case involving a [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|St. Iscariot]]. So, why don't ''you'' give it a rest. Letting him call himself St. Iscariot isn't going to kill you. Or anyone else, for that matter. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 17:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Also, in the Archives, Cheese's first case does refer to him as Cheese AKA Krazy Monkey and Micheal Read is referred to as SexyLegsRead. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|Precedent]] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I r not newb. =/ Lrn to indent. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
LOL, quite a case to bring against a wiki newbie... seeking to forbid them from commenting on one of the major current events in the game, and giving them a list of arbitrators to pick from, all of whom are Mall Tourists. Noice <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:12 15 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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::You could have handed out a warning and reverted the contentious edit, and all of this would have been avoided, the warning itself would have been struck before the end of the Mall Tour 2009 given his rate of contributions. However, you didn't, and stated clearly that it was a matter for arbitration. You're always going on about how I don't follow correct procedure, well I did what you told me to do.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:So much for the user who claims its the sysops fault that users are being driven away from the wiki. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 10:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I reject you as a potential arbitrator. According to your own badly crafted guidelines, please refrain from posting on the main page of this case again. Take it to the talk page, I'm sure someone will read what you have to say. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I offer to arbitrate. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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How about before this turns into a totally irrelevant and bitter flame war, someone gets Sgt. Raiden to actually respond and accept or reject this case?--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:He's been notified on his talk page already. (And I don't believe you can reject a case.) --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think thats actually ever been tried, however, i think that rejecting (or rather refusing to take part) would be a valid response given that arbitration is by definition a process involving 2 parties agreeing to accept the input of a nuetral 3rd! In any event he can just refuse all arbitration until the case collapses... It's a shit way to do it; and should not really be allowed; but it is a tried and tested way to fuck with the system!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What are the edits which have brought this case forth? All I can see is someone posting POV stuff. While I'm sure that [[User:Sgt_Raiden|Sgt Raiden]] needs a lesson on keeping his posts in an netural POV on suburb pages and what not, I don't see any reason in his edits for an arbitration case, let alone you trying to resolve the issue by you talking to him. As of such, unless you give me a really good reason not to archive this case, this case will be removed within the next few days. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:37/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
:Link(s) are in [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Sgt_Raiden|this vandalism case]]. It appears from that case that Raiden has been posting false information about the Mall Tour, and impersonating others while doing so. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I saw the vandalism case. However it looks like a newbie mistake. As for the "false information", in cases like these most people would change the edit in question and leave a comment on the users talk page about it. Anyway, by the looks of things he made the claims about Mall Tour attacking when you guys were only 1 suburb away, so it's understandable that he would have thought that you guys were attacking. If you are refering to something else then please point it out, but this is a very common newbie mistake. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:03/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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:The following is directed at Jedaz. Quoting from the Arbitration Guidelines ''"When two or more users don't agree on how a page should be edited, a case in arbitration should be created, so an outside and neutral person can help solve the conflict"''. The Mall Tour 2009 disagrees with the outright lies he is posting about our group, see [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Stickling_Mall&diff=prev&oldid=1359395 this edit]. I have access to all levels of the public and private Mall Tour boards and coded the entire Mall Tour 2009 pages. I announce the targets and decide where the Tour will progress to. He is lying about the Tour, and by the definition of the Arbitration Guidelines the two parties in this arbitration disagree with his edits; he believes he can make them, we dispute them. Therefore arbitration. Arbitration was also recommended by a current sysop on this wiki as a way to resolve the obvious differences. I reject any offer to arbitrate you may make , and so, following Arbitration Guidelines I invite you to confine your responses to the talk page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service vs Umbrella Corporation|Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service vs Umbrella Corporation]]==<br />
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users= [[Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service]], [[Umbrella Corporation]] |<br />
arbitrator= Cheese |<br />
created_at= 23:33, 9 January 2009 (UTC) |<br />
created_by= {{User:Haliman111/sig}} |<br />
status= Undefined |<br />
summary=An attempt to mediate the hostilies between UBCS and Umbrella as well as prepare a POV neutral war report page | <br />
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== [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Kristi of the Dead vs Recruitment|Kristi of the Dead vs. Recruitment]]== <br />
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arbitrator= undefined |<br />
created_at= 01:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |<br />
created_by= {{usr|Kristi of the Dead}} |<br />
status= Undefined |<br />
summary= n/a | <br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St. Iscariot versus Boxy|St. Iscariot vs. Boxy]]==<br />
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users= {{usr|Iscariot}}, {{usr|Boxy}} |<br />
arbitrator= {{usr|WanYao}} |<br />
created_at= 04:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC) |<br />
created_by= [[User:WanYao|WanYao]] |<br />
status= Concluded. |<br />
summary= n/a | <br />
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*[[:Category:Arbitration Cases|List of Arbitration Cases]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration&diff=1363770UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration2009-01-16T00:37:29Z<p>Jedaz: /* St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr and Mall Tour 2009 versus User:Sgt_Raiden */</p>
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While the wiki community attempts to work on the basis of encouragement and cooperation, there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord. In the event of this happening, the Arbitration Team may be called upon to intervene, and attempt to find a reasonable compromise that, while perhaps not satisfying both parties, may at least assist in defusing the situation, thanks to the unbiased third party.<br />
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=Guidelines for Arbitration Requests=<br />
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In assisting in Arbitration, we generally suggest that both parties agree to the Arbitration. This is not, by any means, a requirement, but we do require that both parties be represented in proceedings.<br />
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Any Arbitration request should provide at least the following:<br />
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* '''The aggrieved parties.''' Either person vs person, or [list of people] vs [list of people].<br />
* '''The reason for the arbitration.''' This should very specifically be without reference to people, as that information has already been provided. It should be a short paragraph indicating the causes of the aggrievement, and why both parties feel it requires arbitration<br />
* '''Any pages affected by the aggrievement.''' This should be a simple list of links. <br />
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Once the Arbitration commences, the Arbitrator will request statements from all parties involved. Any evidence to back up one's statement should be provided in link form. Each party will then have an opportunity to rebut their opponent's statement. After these two steps, the Arbitrator will then consider the case, and reach a conclusion, and determine the outcome that is required. It's the duty of the Arbitrator to move a case he accepted to a subpage of UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration, and to update the status of the arbitration case in the [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Arbitration_Cases_in_Progress|Arbitration Cases in Progress]] section.<br />
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As a note, by requesting an Arbitration, all parties are thus obliged to accept the outcome of the Arbitration. Not doing will be considered Vandalism, and such vandalism attempts will be treated as if the vandal has already received two warnings.<br />
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After the Arbitration is over, it will then be moved to an archive page. As publicly accessible pages, they may be used to establish precedent in further, applicable cases.<br />
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=Current Arbitrators=<br />
:''For guidelines on how to arbitrate, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration Guidelines|Arbitration Guidelines]].''<br />
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The following users have placed their hand up as users who are willing to be contacted to act as an Arbitrator. The role of Arbitrator is not restricted to the Administration Team; any user can be contacted as an Arbitrator and use this page for the arbitration, so long as both parties agree to the Arbitrator. Users who wish to place their hand up as an Arbitrator should place their name below on the list, using {{CodeInline|<nowiki>*{{usr|YourUserPage}}</nowiki>}}<br />
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Also note that not all listed Arbitrators are active on the Wiki.<br />
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*[[User:AnimeSucks|AnimeSucks]]<br />
*[[User:Axe Hack|Axe Hack]]<br />
*[[User:Blood Panther|Blood Panther]]<br />
*[[User:Boxy|boxy]]<br />
*[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]]<br />
*[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<br />
*[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]]<br />
*[[User:Drawde|Drawde]]<br />
*[[User: Gus Thomas|Gus Thomas]]<br />
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*[[User:Galaxy125|Galaxy125]]<br />
*[[User:hagnat|hagnat]]<br />
*[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]<br />
*[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]<br />
*[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]<br />
*[[User:J3D|J3D]]<br />
*[[User:Karek|Karek]]<br />
*[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]]<br />
*{{user|Labine50}}<br />
*{{user|Linkthewindow}}<br />
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*[[User:Sexylegsread|MichaelRead]]<br />
*[[user:Nubis|Nubis]]<br />
*[[User:Sergeant William Holt|Sergeant William Holt]]<br />
*[[User:SirArgo|SirArgo]]<br />
*[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]]<br />
*[[User:Suicidalangel|Suicidal Angel]]<br />
*[[User:The General|The General]]<br />
*[[User:Toejam|Toejam]]<br />
*[[User:Zombie slay3r|Z. slay3r]]<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr]] and [[Mall Tour 2009]] versus [[User:Sgt_Raiden]]==<br />
Given the incompetence of the sysop team in ruling a vandalism case correctly, St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr, and The Mall Tour 2009 seek to prevent the user known as Sgt Raiden from making any further edits on this wiki concerning the Mall Tour 2009. I will accept [[User:Johnny Bass]], [[User:Dr Cory Bjornson]] and [[User:Fifth Element]] as arbitrators. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Call me stupid, but aren't Johnny and Fifth Element both working with the Mall Tour, and since the Mall Tour is named in this case... {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::OK, you're stupid. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 05:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I am not part of this case. [[User:Wiki Martyr|Wiki Martyr]] 06:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And there is no user named [[User:St. Iscariot|St. Iscariot]]. If there was we would permaban him as a sock puppet account made to mock. ... like you were.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Fixed in accordance with the users wishes. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FArbitration&diff=1363007&oldid=1363005 Iscariot], if you wish to take me to A/VB, feel free. I am not an alt and I am eager for you to make an arse of yourself. [[User:Liberty|Liberty]] 09:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Fiexed correctly, a user may be known as whatever they wish, see [[User:Krazy Monkey]], just because someone edits in bad faith does not limit their usage of a given moniker. You'll notice that I'm the only one that it links to as well. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::You can not call yourself Saint Iscariot any more than Sgt. Raiden could make a case against "Iscariot the Asshole that needs to shut the Fuck Up and give it a Rest". So, shut the fuck up and give it a rest.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC) <br />
::::Calling himself what he wants is very different from calling someone else an asshole. Cheese (aka [[User:Krazy Monkey]]) has been involved in a [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cheese vs DoctorRevive|couple]] of [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|cases]] as only “Cheese”, which is much further from his real username than St. Iscariot is from Iscariot's. Not to mention that there already exists a case involving a [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|St. Iscariot]]. So, why don't ''you'' give it a rest. Letting him call himself St. Iscariot isn't going to kill you. Or anyone else, for that matter. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 17:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Also, in the Archives, Cheese's first case does refer to him as Cheese AKA Krazy Monkey and Micheal Read is referred to as SexyLegsRead. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 17:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/St._Iscariot_vs._Cheese|Precedent]] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I r not newb. =/ Lrn to indent. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
LOL, quite a case to bring against a wiki newbie... seeking to forbid them from commenting on one of the major current events in the game, and giving them a list of arbitrators to pick from, all of whom are Mall Tourists. Noice <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:12 15 January 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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::You could have handed out a warning and reverted the contentious edit, and all of this would have been avoided, the warning itself would have been struck before the end of the Mall Tour 2009 given his rate of contributions. However, you didn't, and stated clearly that it was a matter for arbitration. You're always going on about how I don't follow correct procedure, well I did what you told me to do.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:So much for the user who claims its the sysops fault that users are being driven away from the wiki. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 10:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I reject you as a potential arbitrator. According to your own badly crafted guidelines, please refrain from posting on the main page of this case again. Take it to the talk page, I'm sure someone will read what you have to say. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I offer to arbitrate. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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How about before this turns into a totally irrelevant and bitter flame war, someone gets Sgt. Raiden to actually respond and accept or reject this case?--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 21:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:He's been notified on his talk page already. (And I don't believe you can reject a case.) --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think thats actually ever been tried, however, i think that rejecting (or rather refusing to take part) would be a valid response given that arbitration is by definition a process involving 2 parties agreeing to accept the input of a nuetral 3rd! In any event he can just refuse all arbitration until the case collapses... It's a shit way to do it; and should not really be allowed; but it is a tried and tested way to fuck with the system!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What are the edits which have brought this case forth? All I can see is someone posting POV stuff. While I'm sure that [[User:Sgt_Raiden|Sgt Raiden]] needs a lesson on keeping his posts in an netural POV on suburb pages and what not, I don't see any reason in his edits for an arbitration case, let alone you trying to resolve the issue by you talking to him. As of such, unless you give me a really good reason not to archive this case, this case will be removed within the next few days. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:37/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
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*[[:Category:Arbitration Cases|List of Arbitration Cases]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template_talk:DHPD&diff=1320308Template talk:DHPD2008-11-18T12:05:42Z<p>Jedaz: /* Breaking the rules? */</p>
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This template is being used on many users pages. As of such all of these user pages have "Dunell Hills Police Department" as their title, this of course is breaking [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Prohibiting_Content_Outside_of_the_Normal_Page_Area|this policy]] (in the sense that it's misleading). I'm sure that this was un-intentional, so I was coming here to get a solution to this issue. The best way (IMO) is to remove the offending code and manually insert it into the appropiate pages rather then it being included into every user page. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">06:29/17/11/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:Ah, I see.. no problem, code has been removed. [[User:Jim_Extreme|Jim Extreme]] <sup>[[User_talk:Jim_Extreme|Talk]] | [[DHPD|DHPD]]</sup> 11:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Cool, thanks for fixing that up. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">12:05/18/11/2008</span>]]'''</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template_talk:DHPD&diff=1319650Template talk:DHPD2008-11-17T06:29:17Z<p>Jedaz: </p>
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This template is being used on many users pages. As of such all of these user pages have "Dunell Hills Police Department" as their title, this of course is breaking [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Prohibiting_Content_Outside_of_the_Normal_Page_Area|this policy]] (in the sense that it's misleading). I'm sure that this was un-intentional, so I was coming here to get a solution to this issue. The best way (IMO) is to remove the offending code and manually insert it into the appropiate pages rather then it being included into every user page. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">06:29/17/11/2008</span>]]'''</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Promotions&diff=1312099UDWiki:Administration/Promotions2008-11-05T04:18:32Z<p>Jedaz: /* User:J3D */</p>
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===[[User:J3D]]===<br />
Hey, it's me again. One of the main concerns last time i applied was my [[A/VD#J3D|vandalism]], while i can't go back and have it not happen, i haven't had any vandalism warnings etc since my promotion bid in july and, due to my invovlement in the wiki all existing bannings have been struck. I basically want to be a sysop as it would allow me to better perform various roles around the wiki and i feel i'd provide a different perspective than the existing team. Theres no need to be concerned about me being another inactive sysop, i've been around for 18 months plus and i've got no plans to leave anytime soon. Ummm if you want to know anymore i suggest you read over my [[UDWiki:Administration/Promotions/J3D|old bid]], i went into a few lengthly speels there. If you have any questions feel free to ask, etc etc.-{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Vouch''' - he's a good'n.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 05:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Vouch''' - The way I see it is, Jed ''wants'' to be a sysop. He ''will'' work tirelessly and fairly because he wants this job so badly. This is what we need on this wiki. We need sysops who want to do the jobs they are asked to do. Today, we have sysops who decide they are going to become inactive in times of controversy, perhaps a time when they are ''most'' needed. They don't rule on A/VB or A/M and they don't have a say in pressing or important deletions cases because giving their opinion may make them look bad, or might lose them "respect". We need more sysops who are willing to do the work that may lose them friends, but is ultimately right for the wiki. Jed is the right man for this job, and always has been.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 05:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:I would just like to add, that people need to learn the difference between the rulings on the VB page. Jed has not had a warning against him since July. Regardless of how many times he has been put up on A/VB, he has not been warned since his last promotion bid. That is the fact to look at, because it is the only indicator of vandalism, their report. Also, like someone else said, Vandalism should not really be an issue, being a sysop is not a license to vandalize. Thats why we have A/M.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 04:12, 5 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Abstain''' - He seems like a decent fellow, but unfortunately, I just don't know enough about him to make a valid judgment. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk</span>]] </sup> 08:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Vouch''' Questions: what sysop only tasks do you want to focus on and what parts of the wiki are you most active in at the moment?--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 08:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:I'm more or less active across the wiki, there's not a whole lot i don't stick my head in and check out every now and then. I used to have nothing to do with suggestions but i'm a regular on [[Developing Suggestions]] and a vote whenever i see suggestions nowadays. In regards to sysop powers , protecting and unprotecting will be a big one, many archival tasks need that and it's always annoying when you go to do something and see you can't, a/vb obviously as i've always been involved with a/vb in one way or another as well as akule's new unbanning of permabanned users discussion and of course deletions stuffs. Yeah that pretty much covers it.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*::Good answers, I don't doubt your skill or commitment but i do worry slightly about your judgement... that said you do show a willingness to discuss and if necissary modify your opinion and that together with your oft stated desire to see Sysops become more accountable to the community make me more than willing to give you the benefit of the doubt--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Question''': I want to know what has changed about your attitude and responsibility to the wiki and its community since your first promotion bid. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:My attitude and responsibility to the wiki are much the same as they were last time, my views on sysopshipness have changed slightly, which i guess comes from the changing of the guard. If you mean regarding vandalism, then i'm fairly sure my clean sheet since july says everything i need to.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Vouch''' - he cares for this place. This is more than enough for me. I dont like what he did to [[ALiM]], but that doesnt change the fact that i think he would do a good job being a psyop --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 10:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Vouch''' Because I like it when a sysop pays enough attention to make edits like [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Rosslessness/Random_Rambling/Sandbox13&diff=1310571&oldid=1310373 this]. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:Haha glad you 'preciate it. It was really annoying me so i had to get it :P --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*Honestly, some of his behaviour in the past has been a bit iffy. But we all have done stuff like it, so its not that big of a deal.I'm willing to put my opinion behind him, but on one condition. Should the community decide that he's no longer fit, he will agree to put him self up for a review of some sort.We don't need another sysops that no one trusts being around, and then we can't get rid of him. So, a compromise. Seems fair enough to me, as we don't have an official channel for review yet.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 11:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:fyi i do plan to put up a voting to axe sysops policy in the near future. I do have doubts it'll pass though, we shall see.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Vouch''' - From what I've seen from many of his edits, he sounds like a decent person. Plus, I've never had any personal problems with him, so why not? If he wants the SysOp position this badly, then let him have it. If he performs poorly, yank him. But if he performs above and beyond the calls of a normal SysOp, then it's a win for the Wiki community.--{{User:Omega360/Sig}} 13:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Vouch'''. Am I allowed to comment here? I'm just a peon. Whatever. I'm going to comment here. I like this guy. Look at [[ALiM]]; if that's not commitment to the wiki, I don't know what is. If you're worried about vandalism, well, that's stupid. This isn't some sort of "license to vandalize" here. --[[User:Blackboard|Blackboard]] 13:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Abstain''' - You've improved, but things like the truckload of drama on [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_10|last month's A/VB]] says to me that you're not quite ready yet. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] <small><sup>'''Big Brother Diary Room: [513,04]'''</sup></small> 13:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Against'''. I have nothing against your contributions to the wiki in general, but I have a real problem with your attitude and the company you keep. Just re-reading the Oct. A/VB page made my mind up. I don't think you are ready yet based on your comment to boxy when he was voting not vandalism on your 1st (of 3) VB cases. ''Wow i'm impressed! Correct! Gotta be the first time in, what, a month? Since you probably didn't mean it i'll let you change your decision and rule based on your personal opinions of users.--J3D 08:40, 24 October 2008 (BST) '' And yes, I am basing this on my "personal opinion of users." While I know we can all be dicks from time to time I would think that someone trying to get a sysop position would be more willing to work with the current sysops.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah that comment was a pretty bad error in judgment on my part and i recognised that almost immediately after but there was no point removing it as you can't actually delete anything off the wiki, it's always still there. The reason i said that was because the sysops who were on the wiki at the time were blatantly disregarding policy and doing what they wanted. Admittedly they were under pressure from the edit war occurring but the fact that the only active sysop was boxy and that he was making what i felt were the wrong decisions was starting to get to me. In hindsight considering what he walked in on boxy did do a reasonable job cleaning the mess up and sorting everybody out. Anyway yeah, thanks for the feedback.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Vouch'''. Top guy, helped me when i started, when no one else did, so yeah give him a chance!!!--[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Strong Against''' - I have no problem with you but, this bid reeks of an attempt to get promoted through two new and relatively inexperienced 'crats because Grim is gone. I'm pretty sure that if I were 'crat instead of Cheeseman you wouldn't have even considered it, same with boxy, Nubis, or any other sysop you could have been sure would actually force consideration of promotions before promoting willy nilly(yes I find it strange having boxy on that list but it's become a really short list). Much like the last bid you share much in common with Cheeseman, that's not good and I don't want another stint of what it was like right after Cheeseman was promoted, too much work for everyone else. You're a part of the community but not the parts where you'll be forced to monitor; More than that, you've spent a lot of time around A/VB for all the wrong reasons.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:[[User_talk:J3D#Sysops|This]] clearly shows i had intent to run before the current crats were chosen, and if that's not early enough well i can tell you without evidence that i have been considering rerunning for awhile now. Of course if grim was a crat i wouldn't run again because i'd know that i wouldn't get it. I wasn't aware that was against the rules. If it was you, Nubis, swiers or any of the other handful of sysops i wouldn't have a problem running. Boxy i would have to consider but i feel boxy can look objectively so if he had got another term then i think i would have gone for it anyway and if he declined well then that's that.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:Also, while i certainly don't have a problem with you having an opinion, i find it bizarre that you vouched for hagnat [[UDWiki:Administration/Promotions/hagnat (3)|here]] when he freely admitted that he was rerunning for sysop ''because'' Grim was gone. That's not even my reason, but if it were i can't see why you'd have problem with this from one user and not another... o.0 --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Vouch''' Willy-nillies for EVERYBODY!!!! [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 19:23, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Vouch''' Because I can. --[[User:JaredV|JaredV]] 21:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Vouch''' - Though, I have a concern when you said you went into ''"a few lengthy '''speels''' "''--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 21:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:I love speels :D --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Vouch''' To put it simply, why not? -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 22:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Stongly Against''' - [[Image:VBnonsense.png|100px|right]] It's only a week or two ago that J3D (along with others) was filling up the admin pages with ridiculous edit wars and petty A/VB reports, because they wanted to keep superfluous redirects to their user pages <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:34 5 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
*:The only redirects i actually wanted to keep were DDR and AHLG, i merely felt that the community should be allowed to vote on them on A/D. It's a damn good thing i stuck to my guns too because it seems that [[DDR]] and [[AHLG]] will pass [[A/D]]. Of course new votes may change this, but it was certainly worth getting them put up for voting. If i was sysop i would continue to follow established procedure and allow the community to have a say on pages like that because this wiki exists for the people (lame, i know) and if they want a page and it doesn't cause anyone any harm, it should exist, simple as that.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:::At the moment, all of those redirects have more delete than keep votes on them. They should have all went when on the speedydelete page. And the reason why we shouldn't allow ''anyone'' to have a redirect to their user page in the main namespace, is that when everyone wants them, there will be even more drama, every other week. How many [[Nick]]s and [[Bob]]s and [[Sarah]]s out there who would all want the same redirect to their own userpage? To say nothing about ridiculous redirects like [[A/D#The_Mighty_Republic_of_Lolz|this]] also being created for users. You simply have no interest in keeping the wiki tidy, which is what sysops are supposed to do. In fact you seem to delight in messing with it as much as you can get away with, which is fine for regular users, but I not what I expect from a prospective sysop <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 01:09 5 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
*::::Ah it seems you're right, i must have miscounted. Anyway DDR and AHLG are a tad different to Nick, hell i voted delete on J3D. Anyway we disagree on this, i don't feel that having AHLG exist makes the wiki more messy, i think it makes it more usable. You disagree. As countless edits show i actually have a lot of interest in keeping the wiki tidy, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Category%3ASuccessful_Promotions_Candidacies&diff=1311956&oldid=1124374 this] for example, i've made countless similar edits in my time here, that's just the one freshest in my head.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:17, 5 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*::'''Question''' If you want to "follow established proceedure" why do you have [[A/VB]] cases against you? That seems the be the simplest procedure to follow yet you have a problem with it. Why should anyone believe that you can follow the more complicated and "grey" procedures?--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 00:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:::Like i said, i haven't gotten a warning since july, I've already addressed that. Cases that get declared not vandalism are meaningless. I could make cases against anyone for anything and that person would have a case against them forever, it'd just get declared not vandalism. Of the cases that were brought against me one was me emboldening boxy's ruling (definitely not vandalism), one was undeleting a page that ''should never have been deleted'', the fact that it is infact likely to pass A/D is testament to this and the third case centred around me making a mistake while reverting vandalism. Sorry for that but like i said at the time, my priority was reverting the vandal edits, yes i accidentally reverted more, but that was quickly fixed. Also for me A/D is not a grey area. In fact it's one of the most clear cut areas regarding policy on the wiki.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:58, 5 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*::::You recreated that page despite being told that it wasn't going to be undeleted, you are extremely lucky not to have a warning for that, given the fact that you willfully recreated it. The polite warning you got was designed for newbies who recreate userpages in the main namespace, or things like that. You knew what you were doing, and saw a loophole to do it without being officially warned. Again, not sysop material <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 01:14 5 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
*:::::The page was deleted while it was on the deletions page as it had received a keep vote on speedy deletes. I was the only person on at the time with the slightest interest in following policy designed to better the wiki, if that makes me not sysop material then so be it.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Strong Abstain''' - Sorry man, said I'd vote for you, but the drama in October's edit wars kind of swayed me a bit. Don't worry though, you have this in the bag, just like Obama...--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 03:56, 5 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
*'''Against''' - I don't see any reason for him to become a Sysop. I'ld imagine that he'ld bring more problems to the table then solutions. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">04:18/5/11/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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*[[:Category:Withdrawn Promotions Candidacies|Withdrawn Promotions Candidacies]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Midianian_vs_Karek&diff=1312050UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Midianian vs Karek2008-11-05T01:45:13Z<p>Jedaz: +Category</p>
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<div>==[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] vs. [[User:Karek|Karek]]==<br />
This is about the [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections#border-radius|protection request]] where I requested that the individual CSS styles creating the rounded corners on certain pages be replaced with a template, which was done by [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]], but later reverted by Karek. We discussed it on the protections page, but didn't reach an agreement. Finally he moved the request from Requested Edits to Recent Actions when [[User_talk:Karek#border-radius|I suggested we go to arbitration]] to settle this.<br />
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but I don't really mind if the template isn't edited into the first two pages, for reasons explained in the protections request.<br />
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Since this is mainly a technical matter, please do not put your name forward unless you have at least basic understanding of the technical basis of this case. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 20:28, 21 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Suggestions is the third most viewed page on the wiki and is a significant through-fare for wiki traffic(the others don't show up on popular pages because they're categories but they get a significant amount of views as well, enough that they would show up top 20 if they could). The fact that they mostly have "templated sigs", as you say, is actually that much ''more'' reason why space there ''is'' an issue, inclusion size problems would screw up the page and this template adds to the inclusion size needlessly.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:35, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll be willing to arbitrate on this matter as I'm a technically orientated person. I also have experience with the Wiki Software as well as CSS. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:48/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:I accept Jedaz. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:01, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I don't understand why Midianian thinks there is an arbitration case here. It is called a '''request''' not a demand. Should the sysop team not feel it is needed it won't be honored. If Cheese and Karek do not agree on what needs to be done with the request since they are the only two sysops that are involved they might need an arbitration (or discussion) but frankly, Midianian has no right to demand any action on this matter.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:51, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:This is the essence of arbitration, resolving edit disputes, which is exactly what this is. Just because Midianian has to request a sysop to change the page does not mean that Midianian is not an invested party, and thus has every right to request arbitration for resolving the edit dispute. I fail to see how you can not see that this is clearly an edit dispute. If the whole Sysop team disagrees with the request then no arbitration case could even get it changed (obviously). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">03:07/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::This isn't an "edit dispute" this is a functionality issue. Since Karek is a sysop and responsible for the upkeep of this wiki and the requested page to be edited is protected to only be edited by sysops then the everyday user has no expectation of getting the edit they want on the page. If the page was meant to be edited by anyone it wouldn't be locked. It's not like Midianian's request was ignored. Karek responded and decided that the current version was fine. Just because a user wants a certain edit on a page doesn't mean he should get it. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:18, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'd assume the page was protected to prevent vandalism and preserve its textual content, not its formatting. I'd have no expectation of getting the ''rules'' changed on that page through an edit request. On the other hand, getting something changed that ''isn't'' why the page was protected? Of course, as much as on any unprotected page. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:01, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And if Cheese disagreed with Karek he would have made his point in the discussion those two had on the Admin page. So it seems that none of the sysops disagree with Karek on this issue therefore the page won't be edited. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:21, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Just because someone doesn't disagree doesn't mean they agree either. Cheeze thought it was a reasonable request and grated it (even if he didn't feel strongly about it either way), so why not allow the two parties who are pushing their views to have it out in arbitration? Just because a page is protected doesn't mean that it shouldn't be changed if there are good enough reasons (and conversly it should stay the same if the reasons aren't good enough). I think there is enough grounds for an arbitration case to exist.<br />
:::I'm sure that there are sysops who don't care either way about it and would perfer to avoid any conflict. Saying nothing doesn't mean that you agree with a position either. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">03:46/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::No but, doing nothing because you know you don't know enough about it is far more telling than doing something with that same knowledge. You can't judge reasons if you don't even know what you're doing.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:52, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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What possible harm can an Arbies ruling on this matter cause if all directly involved have a good understanding of the dispute? If the page was protected to prevent textual alterations and vandalism rather than format changes and one sysop has already said it is an acceptable request then it does become an edit conflict (albiet a complex one) and were Karek to call SYSOP priviledge here it could be construed as misconduct if other sysops disagree with him. Sensible course then is obviously to let the interested parties make their case to an impartial arbitator with the technical knowledge to judge. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:21, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:I wouldn't say as much but, I also actually agree that it is subject to arbitration. Well, the suggestions page stuff is, the other two not so much as I can, and probably should, call SYSOP privilege on that and deny any change that is not necessary to the daily health and use of the page(as it's the auto-load), I also doubt Midianian would care overly much there because he's already said he's willing to concede at least that.<br /><br />That being said, I doubt there's much in the way of impartial arbitrators that I'd be willing to concede know enough code wise to be of use, I do think Jedaz knows enough. I'm not so sure that he hasn't already chosen his ruling in the matter, I'm also not going to put up with the whole both sides make an argument crap, it's already been done. I will point out that using Cheese's actions to justify the argument for doing it is ridiculous, even if he is a nice guy and tries to help out he has a history of performing administrative actions without first gathering all the knowledge needed to make those judgements well and correctly<small>(it's why I ''don't'' want him as 'crat actually)</small>, so stop it. With that I accept Jedaz, as the odds of any other users with the knowledge coming forward is slim to none.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:50, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Don't worry, I will be impartial and stick to the facts. I'll keep this case short and sweet. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:41/23/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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Ok, since this case is different then most other cases we'll go in the following way, both [[User:Midianian|Midianian]] and [[User:Karek|Karek]] will present a list of Pros for their side, and a list of cons for the other side of the disagreement. Once both lists have been completed I will rule as to which is more appropriate to use. I will also consider the arguments as linked to, as well as my own experience with the Wiki software and CSS. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:41/23/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
==[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]==<br />
===Pros of using the template===<br />
*If additional properties are required (eg. {{CodeInline|-ms-border-radius}}, if it gets put in before the CSS3 standard), only the template needs to be changed to include support for the property on the pages that use it.<br />
**Becomes more pronounced the more pages use the template.<br />
*If the radius needs to be changed, only one value needs has to be modified instead of having to update the value of every style individually.<br />
**Becomes more pronounced the more vendor specific styles are needed/used.<br />
*Helps in making a consistent look across the wiki, and ensuring that it's consistent across different browsers.<br />
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===Cons of using hard coded CSS===<br />
*If additional properties are required, all pages which use hard coded CSS corners have to be updated individually.<br />
*If the radius needs to be changed, the value of every vendor specific property must be modified individually.<br />
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==[[User:Karek|Karek]]==<br />
===Pros of using hard coded CSS===<br />
''Please enter the pros here in dot point format''<br />
===Cons of using the template===<br />
''Please enter the cons here in dot point format''<br />
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==Ruling==<br />
It looks like [[User:Karek|Karek]] has gone for a while, so I might as rule on this rather then drag it out further. I've got enough information to make my descision, and I'll explain my reasonining for the ruling in detail.<br />
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After considering what has been presented as well as what I have discovered with some research I have concluded that we should stay with the hard coded CSS. The reasons are as follows:<br />
*Using hard coded CSS does not put as much strain on the server compared to templates, although this is minimal anyway.<br />
**As mentioned above also, templated sigs pose a problem and as of such the nice borders would stop working once the sigs stop working as well.<br />
*The CSS definitions change slowly. In addition the browsers support for them change at roughly the same rate, it's not that difficult to update these as required for these pages. Also, changing the size of the rounded corners isn't something which I'ld imagine would happen too often on the pages listed.<br />
**It's also important to note that the pages listed are already well maintained, so by the time a new definition comes out, and or a browser supports it, we would have people updating the pages.<br />
So thats basically the crux of my decision. While the template is useful on pages that get changed reasonably often, or are ill maintained, it isn't useful on well maintained static pages due to standards and browser support changing so slowly. Any queries? If not I'll archive this within a week. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">06:21/30/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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While the wiki community attempts to work on the basis of encouragement and cooperation, there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord. In the event of this happening, the Arbitration Team may be called upon to intervene, and attempt to find a reasonable compromise that, while perhaps not satisfying both parties, may at least assist in defusing the situation, thanks to the unbiased third party.<br />
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=Guidelines for Arbitration Requests=<br />
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In assisting in Arbitration, we generally suggest that both parties agree to the Arbitration. This is not, by any means, a requirement, but we do require that both parties be represented in proceedings.<br />
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Any Arbitration request should provide at least the following:<br />
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* '''The aggrieved parties.''' Either person vs person, or [list of people] vs [list of people].<br />
* '''The reason for the arbitration.''' This should very specifically be without reference to people, as that information has already been provided. It should be a short paragraph indicating the causes of the aggrievement, and why both parties feel it requires arbitration<br />
* '''Any pages affected by the aggrievement.''' This should be a simple list of links. <br />
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Once the Arbitration commences, the Arbitrator will request statements from all parties involved. Any evidence to back up one's statement should be provided in link form. Each party will then have an opportunity to rebut their opponent's statement. After these two steps, the Arbitrator will then consider the case, and reach a conclusion, and determine the outcome that is required. It's the duty of the Arbitrator to move a case he accepted to a subpage of UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration, and to update the status of the arbitration case in the [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Arbitration_Cases_in_Progress|Arbitration Cases in Progress]] section.<br />
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As a note, by requesting an Arbitration, all parties are thus obliged to accept the outcome of the Arbitration. Not doing will be considered Vandalism, and such vandalism attempts will be treated as if the vandal has already received two warnings.<br />
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After the Arbitration is over, it will then be moved to an archive page. As publicly accessible pages, they may be used to establish precedent in further, applicable cases.<br />
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=Current Arbitrators=<br />
:''For guidelines on how to arbitrate, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration Guidelines|Arbitration Guidelines]].''<br />
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The following users have placed their hand up as users who are willing to be contacted to act as an Arbitrator. The role of Arbitrator is not restricted to the Administration Team; any user can be contacted as an Arbitrator and use this page for the arbitration, so long as both parties agree to the Arbitrator. Users who wish to place their hand up as an Arbitrator should place their name below on the list, using {{CodeInline|<nowiki>*{{usr|YourUserPage}}</nowiki>}}<br />
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*[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<br />
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*[[User:Funt_Solo|Funt Solo]]<br />
*[[User: Gus Thomas|Gus Thomas]]<br />
*[[User:Galaxy125|Galaxy125]]<br />
*[[User:hagnat|hagnat]]<br />
*[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]<br />
*[[User:Headless Gunner|Headless Gunner]]<br />
*[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]<br />
*[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]<br />
*[[User:J3D|Jed]]<br />
*[[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]]<br />
*[[User:JaredV|JaredV]]<br />
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*[[User:Sexylegsread|MichaelRead]]<br />
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*[[User:Pdeq|Pdeq]]<br />
*[[user:rosslessness|Rosslessness]]<br />
*[[User:Seventythree|Seventythree]]<br />
*[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]]<br />
*[[User:Suicidalangel|Suicidal Angel]]<br />
*[[User:The General|The General]]<br />
*[[User:Toejam|Toejam]]<br />
*[[User:Xan2020|Xan Krieger]]<br />
*[[User:Zombie slay3r|Z. slay3r]]<br />
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==[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]] vs. [[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot]]==<br />
Enough is enough. Not only is he filling up misconduct cases with [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Nubis| drivel]], his talk page specifically threatens misconduct against any member of the sysop team who contacts him, which btw is against standards as it was determined a LONG time ago that participants on the wiki must have a venue where they are able to be reached by others (iirc it was somewhere in the debates about the signature policy but can't take the time to go a looking right now.) He's entitled to his opinions but all this making mountains out of mole-hill crap is getting ridiculous. Ever since his buddy Grim got banned he's been on the war wagon and has a particular distaste for those of us who "persecuted" the all wonderful Grim.<br />
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To be honest I don' know what I seek out of this but the juris-my-dick-shun crap has got to stop, and all members of the wiki need to have the ability to contact the others. Deleted if you want after the fact, but threatening misconduct for saying hi, bye, or GTFO? thats Bullshit.<br />
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Oh and to make a point... As this affects the rights and responsibilities inherent in being a sysop, I will only accept current or former members of the sysop team as an arbitrator. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 11:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I acknowledge this case and will represent myself. I await volunteer arbitrators. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Oooooooooooooooooo!! Pick me!! I like talking about stuff. =) -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Your handle of choice is a form of moldy milk, accordingly I reject you as arbitrator. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:47, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Er..does it really matter if he threatens misconduct for contacting him? It's not like that'd EVER get misconduct, apart from the fact that nothing gets misconduct anymore, that's just, well, not misconduct. (sorry for all the commas) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:J3D is right. In the case Iscariot doesn't accept a sysop, I will arbitrate as I have nothing against both parties. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I reject you as arbitraitor. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You do realise you already gave the game away as to how you'd rule? People don't like arbitrators who go into cases with their minds already made up, you know. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 01:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Why are you on list of arbitrators then? And my mind isn't made up. I happen to know Iscariot is very good in arbitration cases. And I was merely pointing out that in practice the ploy would not have effect. I didn't say I would rule against it. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 02:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Was that supposed to be a burn? When it comes to arbitrating I'll have you know I am more than capable of being impartial. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 02:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::You continue to argue as if I give a damn. Sorry cf =[ {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::You continue to try and bail on arguments you get dominated in using the same tired old "I don't care" line. Sorry ddd =[ --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Lol whats ddd? My favourite acronym beginning with DD is DDS or dumb drunk slut. It spawned from the dumbdrunksluts website (college girls suck and fuck for your entertainment etc) and has only grown in popularity since then.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"Dee dee dee" is a phrase often used by Carlos Mencia to describe retards. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 09:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::If there is an offer to arby somewhere in there Bob,I'll consider it. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 17:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I'd be happy to do it but I don't think Iscariot is going to accept me. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 23:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::CF, you do understand that taking you ''seriously'' in an argument is the only way someone would lose. Since when was this an argument? since when was I getting dominated? It surprises me that you of all people take such things too seriously =] {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 01:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I'm talking from the viewpoint of a third party. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 01:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::You forgot the little =] or =[ or even =P face at the end of that post.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
I'll be arbitatortot. I just want to go to Arby's so badly. Their 5 for $5 deal is amazing. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 01:08, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:No special offers for you, I reject you as arbitrator. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Die in a fire. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 19:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I can has arby's? --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 02:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Noez, you can notz has arbys. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Is anyone spotting a pattern emerging here? I had considered taking this case on and winning it, however with the current A/VB case being ruled against me, even though Gnome outright admitted he had not struck the vote in the correct manner, I see no reason to give our sysops yet more statutes to ignore and twist in order to tarnish my record. Until the A/VB travesty is rectified by another sysop I will maintain my position here. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:So you're not going to accept an arbitrator? It seems a bit churlish to say you'll represent yourself and not accept any. At least pick from the list a group who you would accept.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 16:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::It may seem that way, but it's the only way to prevent oneself being screwed over by the system. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Tough.. I brought the case and it will be arbitrated...<s>wether you accept one or not. Read the policy...</s> Now as far as Cheese...Sorry It would be inappropriate since you have a case against one of the parties already. Sonny...hmmm its possible...were you ever a sysop? I cant remember. It says at the top of this case that I will only accept a current or former member of the sysop team. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 17:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:nevermind in that regard...seems wording was changed from the policy I was used to using...let me put it this way. Ive brought a case, and only someone with sysop experience will arby it. If you don't like that, feel free to not participate. The largest part of this case is because of Iscariots unwillingness to play well with others... If he insists on being the drama whore, he should go play with himself and leave the vast majority of the community alone. Drumming up crap simply because things arn't going your way (or how you think they should go) smells of ''grimness'' to the extreme. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 17:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Did you just try and quote policy at me? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That just made my day.<br />
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::You see, over on A/M you enjoy throwing your weight around as a sysop and having final say. Down here you have this thing called equality. Your sysop status means precisely ''fuck'' and ''all''. This is a wonderful world of policy, guidelines and precedent. Down here, I'm God.<br />
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::You can choose not to accept any non-sysop, that's your choice, but you cannot force me to accept one either. You cannot force me to accept ''any'' arbitrator, that's kind of the point of arbies there kiddo. If one side could just demand on the arbitrator for a case, can you imagine what kind of mayhem could be caused? Can you imagine the kind of person that would jump on that precedent for shits and giggles? I could....<br />
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::Your impotent rage amuses me, do go on. Sentences like ''"I brought the case and it will be arbitrated on"'' bring me much mirth. Since you keep erroneously referring to Grim and I as friends I invite you to check the edit history between us, we weren't on each other's Hanukkah card list. And because it amuses my sense of irony, [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jon_Pyre_vs_Grim_S|welcome to precedent]], starring Grim.<br />
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::Hugs and kisses -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Policy clearly just says he has to be represented. It doesn't say it has to be him representing himself. I would think in a case where the issue is a user's blatant creation of a hostile environment it would be assumed that he wouldn't cooperate. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 18:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You know full well you cannot force a user to be represented by another unless they refuse to participate. I am participating and am representing myself. However I do not believe myself and my opponent will agree to an arbitrator. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Unless you list possible arbitrators you will accept ''you are clearly refusing to participate''. It's that simple. If you were willing to work this out you would be offering names in an effort to start the case. Since you have not even suggested one person you are not participating. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:36, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: I know nothing of the kind. Tell me where there is a policy that says that Arbitration CANT be used in such a manner, And before you go and throw the whole misconduct bit up...I mean by '''any''' user. ''Although sysops do have that whole interpretations clause...hmmmm'' [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 22:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Go right ahead and use that ''interpretation'' clause, firstly it doesn't apply here, secondly, go ahead, make this a misconduct case. I await the community to start viewing you as Grim Mark II. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
I'd accept Nubis as an arbitrator. Obviously Iscariot's own statement above indicates an inability to work with any member of the sysop team and I beleive his behavior is a significant detractor to the community at large. As we don't HAVE to agree on an arbitrator unless they aren't listed on the above list. Check your periods, colons and semi-colons at the door. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 22:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Where did you get this made-up rule from? Pulling stuff out your ass again? All arbitrator candidates have to be accepted by both parties unless one party refuses to participate in the process. I am participating by representing myself. I do however disagree with your choices of arbitrator. Feel free to follow the link I gave you to this thing we like to call ''precedent'', you must have heard of it. Also your choices are intrisically biased as they are de facto involved being subject to my talk page restrictions as you yourself pointed out in your opening blurb. Your insistence on a biased arbitrator shows your bad faith towards this process.<br />
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:Also, I reject Nubis as arbitrator. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: Bad faith? No more so than you refusing to allow members of the sysop team to arbitrate this case OR ANY OTHER CASE you are involved in. And no...as a Government Teacher I get to read law and precedent all the time...means jack in reality as each individual case may be used to supersede previous precedent unless you are in an apellette court or a states judicial review court. (and btw its spelled ''intrinsically'') And I'm telling you no where in the above policy does it state you HAVE to be involved if you are failing to participate by agreeing to an arbiter (oh and since I brought the case the onus falls on you.) [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 22:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I am allowed to reject ''any'' arbitrator for any reason I like. Precedent allows me this action whilst still representing myself and participating in that manner. Which ''policy'' do you refer? You'd best not be confusing guidelines and policy, because that would just make you look stupid. Now I understand this may be an unfamiliar concept to you, but here we work on precedent that is formed via ''community consensus''. The community, you remember us right? We're the one's whose trust you're supposed to hold. I'm quoting directly from this consensus and precedent, you are quoting from....well nothing actually. <br />
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:::You're a ''Government Teacher''? If you taught the current US Administration you should be ashamed.<br />
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:::I would get into this with you, but I'm going to bed. I shall continue to review the volunteer arbitrators as they appear. Feel free to continue digging your hole. Also, ''nowhere'' is one word in the context you're using it. Hope you aren't teaching grammar. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Blood Panther vs Treviabot92|Does this help?]] --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Not when [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jon_Pyre_vs_Grim_S|this]] supersedes it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I don't see how that supersedes anything when the reason it didn't continue had nothing to do with Grim's refusal of all arbitrators. Read Jedaz's comment at the bottom. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 23:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Agreed, Iscariot is grasping at straws. He didn't respond to the fact that precedent can be over turned at any new case and I beleive this case should be used to set a new precedent as well as one where users arn't allowed to circumvent the arby process like Iscariot is atempting to. as a side note...I don't see any community support for you Iscariot, just a loner yelling into the wind so you can hear yourself talk. Its my theory the reason why you arn't running for sysop is that you know you couldn't get enough non-meatpuppet vouches to progress past the first stage, much less get approved rather than your lovely excuses you mentioned prior. Plain and simple you wont accept anyone because of your fear and knowlege that you are a twisted little internet troll that thrives on shouting "community" while doing very little constructive. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 01:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::I'm not the one grasping at straws, you've tried every single way of trying to force through this case on your terms and all have failed. You are the one trying to drive this through with a biased and involved party as arbitrator as you know that anyone impartial to this would rule against you. Changing precedent unilaterally on your own say so is meaningless, as I'll just change it back, your analogy is flawed as in legal precedent an impartial judge sets the precedent, you are an involved party, you don't want a fair attempt at conflict resolution, you want a show trial. You can feel free to make it policy, you [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion|know where to go]], feel free to see if your kangaroo court policy will be passed by the community and re-bring this case against me. I'll point out that if you think the community would ever pass such a travesty that you're probably off your medication.<br />
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::::Your points about sysop candidacy are most revealing and frankly disturbing. First of all, as has been proven, [[UDWiki:Administration/Promotions/J3D|community support means little if you aren't chummy with the bureaucrats]]. Secondly you seem to be equating sysop status with some sort of exalted position that everyone should aspire to, it's not. It is a responsibility to the community, not a badge or symbol of greater worth. If you are viewing it in this manner perhaps you should reconsider you reasoning for maintaining your status as a sysop.<br />
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::::I'm doing little constructive am I? I tell you what, we'll compare contributions over the last 30 days and see who's done more general maintenance shall we? I believe it would be quite eye-opening for the community.<br />
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::::Finally, the correct spelling you are looking for is ''"aren't"'', it being the contraction of ''"are not"'', I hope you aren't teaching English to those governments. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: As has been established now many years ago on this wiki, my spelling is atrocious comes from having a learning disability which I have struggled to overcome most of my life. I accept that. Unfortunately its quite obvious that being an ass is a disability for you. Dreadfully apparent is the fact that you are failing in what ever manner you are dealing with that. Second as far as constructive... Yea you are right... 1 vandal case and numerous arbitrations some of which were jokes but still... Third... Again I don't see ''community'' here.. Just you. ergo I give you the opportunity to list ANY arbitrator from the above list that you will accept. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 13:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::It's way too late, i have an exam in 9 hours and i've consumed too much caffeine but i'll volunteer to arby this. At first i wasn't interested but it's blown up quite spectacularly. Anyway i thought i'd put my hand up.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Offers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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===Question===<br />
and to take it a step Further: Question to the community Is Iscariot participating in good faith in the arbitration process.<br />
#'''NO'''[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 13:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
#'''No and neither are you!''' Frankly I do not blame him. You say yourself that you do not know what you want done to him and then you expect him to accept an arbitrator from a very small list of people whom he feels will be biased against him. Most importantly though you are trying to force him to accept arbitration knowing full well that an arbitration ruling without his consent to be involved is meaningless because he has not accepted its authority. Arbitration is supposed to be a place to work out disagreement '''not''' where you go to get sanctions/punishments dished out. Iscariot can arbitrarily bar you from his talk page if he wants but it will have fuck all force unless it is the result of a mutually accepted Arby case or a Mod enforced rule. If he takes you to Misconduct for ignoring his ban then he will get laughed at end of story.... Yes he is being irritating but that is (unfortunately) not against the rules. You want to stop him rules lawyering misconduct cases then stop cutting corners!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 16:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
#:notice I changed my stance and asked him to list any arbiter he would accept from the list. I'm not asking for any kind of punishment or arbitrary sanction... I simply want him to get off the crusading white horse where he is in fact NOT supported by the community he purports to represent. Its more than I could ask for that he realize that precedent has the strength of only that case and that precedent is overturned on a fairly regular basis. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 18:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
#::I feel very torn here.... I agree that he does seem to be on some sort of misguided crusade. However, forcing (or trying to force) someone to participate in an arby case against their will is counter-productive. If they give in and are unhappy with the result it can only harm the process... if they refuse and a ruling is made that has no real force to bind them it makes the process pointless and a laughing stock. I simply don't think any case in which both parties are not willing to accept a ruling should be pursued here as it will settle nothing!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
#:::The simplest solution would be for Conndraka (and any sysops worried about this) to ignore the "warning", and if Iscariot puts any sysop up for misconduct just [[A/VB]] him for posting a clearly frivilous case. The "rules" on a users page have only ever been enforcable after arbitration (and only in cases of personality conflicts). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:27/31/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
#::::^This. With the exception that trolling his page to try and get the cases won't result in escalations, so don't even consider it.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
#'''Get your witch hunt off arbies, Con''' - This is a stupid arbitration case, you don't even know what you want out of it, only that he annoys you (and pretty much everyone else) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:21 31 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
#Not subject to arbitration and if you ''ever'' try to use any result from this case claiming as much to try and escalate a punishment I'll give ''you'' an escalation ''and'' a misconduct case of much merit. I'll say this once, clearly, finally, and simply. <big><big>'''''ARBITRATION CAN NOT AFFECT ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES'''''</big></big>. Misconduct is an administrative process. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Lulz. Was the restarted numbering a statement? Or just editing error? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:30, 1 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I think an error, so fixed it. If I am mistaken, I be sorry monsieur Karek.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 13:05, 1 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot]] vs. [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]==<br />
This is a case over the ruling in the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction Jorm/Zeug case]. Cheese has exceeded his remit as arbitrator in this case by ordering the circumvention of established wiki procedure.<br />
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I wish to have sections of his ruling stricken and declared unenforceable.<br />
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I will accept any arbitrator who has shown an understanding for following established wiki policy and procedure in their edit history. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:15, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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I can has arby? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 23:38, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:<s>I accept Bob. He has long shown that he follows wiki policy and procedure to the letter. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:39, 30 September 2008 (BST)</s><br />
::My indiscretions are by choice, not by lack of knowledge. You'll also note that I was more than courteous and impartial in my previous case. I take being an arbitrator seriously. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 00:31, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Seriously though, I think this case is one of the most moronic that has ever been brought. Iscariot basically wants my ruling stricken so that a deleted page can be restored just to be deleted again next week. This is stupid and a waste of time on everyone's part. I refuse to play any part in this. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:16, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Then the arby ruling will happen without any input from you whatsoever. And if he finds an arbitrator sympathetic to his side, he'll get what he wants, thus just wasting more time when the page gets re-deleted. If he's serious, go along, or find representation. You should know all of this. Save others time by sacrificing a little to go with the case.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:28, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Fine. I still think this is moronic. But SA has a point. I will represent myself. Arbitrators who want in, please leave a note. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:31, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Wait a minute. You can not arbitrate against someone that doesn't choose to participate in the arbitration. ''Then the arby ruling will happen without any input from you whatsoever. '' This is complete bullshit. If this was the case then I could go back and find either old pages that the users have "abandoned" or for that matter users that aren't as active these days and set up cases against them, pick my buddy to arby, and get whatever I wanted done. Arbies has to have BOTH parties involved and if Cheese refuses to participate then he can not be forced to. Arbies is an option not required for conflict resolution. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:55, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Shhh, don't tell the peoplez da truth!--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:39, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Actually the rules say an Arbies case can be made without participation of the other side.... however there s no point doing so as without their agreement to enter the process there s no way to make them accept the outcome! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:30, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::And that loophole right there is the crux of what is fucking wrong with this wiki. That needs to be closed up. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:09, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You're wrong, sorry. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:12, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::It's not really a loophole though is it? You can't force someone to accept arbitration, it goes totally counter to the meaning of the word! Perhaps a seperate procedure for such cases might work but that would really be a case of asking for judgement rather than a negotiated settlement and there is no way that the person bringing such a case should have any control over who rules on it... Hell such a thing should probably be open to public vote like deletions is!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:24, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Actually it's probably a good chance to clarify established wiki procedure and underline where Arbitration fits on this wiki. If deletions can be forced through by 'popular' vote (ie meatpuppets) without recourse to arbitration then it's anarchy, a good example is [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#UZM|wan's direct recourse to deletion]] twice now with both the original UZM and its redirect. As it is the deletions vote is an easy bad faith way of not bothering with arbitration. As for your ruling being 'unenforceable' ... well it came to the same conclusion as wan's delete request, Iscariot's vote and upheld jorm's request for deletion! It doesn't override or circumvent but rather concurs. It would be enforceable after the vote cos even if the ''Keep's'' won the day I would have requested ''speedy deletion'' as per your ruling. Finally, as original author I changed my vote to ''speedy delete'' and isn't that justification in itself for speedy deletion (criteria #7 Author Edit Only)? Isn't there a procedure to deal with litigious members on this wiki? They're generally a huge waste of time otherwise. --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 07:42, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Quit your whining, and quit trying to play the victim. No one buys it. ''You'' started this problem, and you escalated it. Time and time again, repeatedly. By refusing to refusing to allow groups them to edit themselves from a public, community page they wanted nothing to do with. ''You'' are the one who caused the friction and drama: this is fallout from a situation you started, fomented and perpetuated. You know it. I know it. ''Everyone'' else knows it. <br />
::::But anyway... We apologise for this interruption, and return you now to your regularly scheduled programming: Zeug's usual arguments ad hominen, facile dissemblings and assorted "other general whinging". --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 08:36, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Shhhh ... it's OK wan. I'm sure everybody understands your pain and we're all here for you buddy. And don't worry, even with [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Zeug|4 v/b's]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#UZM|2 deletions]] and [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction|an arbi case]] called against me over the last few days I can assure you I feel in no way victimized. Quite the opposite, I love the wiki process and I love UD and its social network. And with this case maybe we can put a brake on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Grim_s&oldid=1278129#Iscariot meatpuppet attacks in the deletions vote].--[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 12:40, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
I'll arbitrate, but you should know that arbitration has a long history of ordering [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The_Fifth_Horseman_vs_Akule|deletions]], and frankly, if a decent, impartial arbitrator orders it (as seems to have happened in this case), it is a better system than internet democracy because the decision is made by someone who has all the relevant facts, as presented by the parties involved <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:23 1 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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I do not accept Bob, for obvious reasons, and will not accept Boxy due to his sysop status. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:49, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:why must you hurt my feelings when i can obviously be imapartial when I arbitrate --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 16:07, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm somewhat new to Arbies, having only added myself recently, but I'd be willing.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 20:06, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I also offer to arby. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 16:28, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Pick me! I want to be the Arbitatortot. I love going to Arby's. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/ShadowScope vs. Midianian|ShadowScope vs. Midianian]]==<br />
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List of [[A/A|Arbitration cases]] in chronological order.<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Midianian vs. Karek|Midianian vs. Karek]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] vs. [[User:Karek|Karek]]|arbitrator=[[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]]|created_at=20:28, 21 October 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]|status=Done.|summary=Dispute over whether or not to use a template for rounded corners on certain protected pages.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot and The Order of Philosophe Knights versus Sarah Aline and The Upper Left Corner|Iscariot and The Order of Philosophe Knights versus Sarah Aline and The Upper Left Corner]]===<br />
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|users=[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] versus [[User:S Aline|Sarah Aline]]<br />
|arbitrator=[[User:J3D|J3D]]<br />
|created_at=17:38, 4 September 2008 (BST)<br />
|created_by=[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]<br />
|status=Dun.<br />
|summary=Dispute over the content of the [[Southall Mansion]] location page.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob240 vs 2 Cool|Cyberbob240 vs 2 Cool]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus<br />
|users=[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]] versus [[2 Cool]]<br />
|arbitrator=none<br />
|created_at=06:29, 11 October 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]]<br />
|status=Agreement reached without arbitration<br />
|summary=Conflict over a variety of 2 Cool project pages.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Umbrella_Biohazard_Countermeasure_Servive_vs._Umbrella|Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive vs. Umbrella]]===<br />
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|users=[[User:Haliman111|Haliman]] versus [[User:MisterGame|MisterGame]]<br />
|arbitrator=[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]<br />
|created_at=23:22, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
|created_by=[[User:Haliman111|Haliman]]<br />
|status=Done<br />
|summary=A dispute over the ownership of the [[Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service]] page.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm and the MOB versus Zeug and Extinction|Jorm and the MOB versus Zeug and Extinction]]===<br />
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|users=[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] versus [[User:Zeug|Zeug]]<br />
|arbitrator=[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]<br />
|created_at=21:32, 22 September 2008<br />
|created_by=[[User:Jorm|Jorm]]<br />
|status=Done.<br />
|summary=Jorm wants all references to the [[MOB]] removed from Zeug's [[United Zombies of Malton]] portal and from aforementioned portal's wiki page.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob240 vs Sexylegsread|Cyberbob240 vs Sexylegsread]]===<br />
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|users=[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]] versus [[User:Sexylegsread|Sexylegsread]]<br />
|arbitrator=none<br />
|created_at=06:31, 27 September 2008|created_by=[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]]<br />
|status=Withdrawn<br />
|summary=Conflict of personalities that turned out to be a misunderstanding.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/WanYao_vs_White_Cell_Team_06|WanYao vs White Cell Team 06]]===<br />
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|users=[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] versus [[White Cell Team 06]]<br />
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|created_at=06:31, 27 September 2008|created_by=[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
|status=Withdrawn<br />
|summary=WCT06 claimed they were active in 36 or more suburbs. WanYao doubted this greatly.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Finis Valorum vs. Saromu|Finis Valorum vs. Saromu]]===<br />
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|users=[[User:Finis_Valorum|Finis Valorum]] versus [[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <br />
|arbitrator=[[User:Grim s|The Grimch]]<br />
|created_at=14:35, 31 May 2008<br />
|created_by=[[User:Finis_Valorum|Finis Valorum]]<br />
|status=Dropped<br />
|summary=An edit conflict on the [[The Northeastern War]] page.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka|Grimch vs. Conndraka]]===<br />
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|users=[[User:Grim s|The Grimch]] versus [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<br />
|arbitrator=[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]<br />
|created_at=03:32, 29 May 2008|created_by=[[User:Grim s|The Grimch]]<br />
|status=Original ruling overturned and Grim dropped second part of the case.<br />
|summary=Grim wants the ruling Conndraka made against him removed and for Conndraka to cease ruling on adminitrative matters he brings.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/WanYao_vs._Capt_Schwartz|WanYao vs. Capt Schwartz]]===<br />
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|users=[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] versus [[User:Capt Schwartz|Capt Schwartz]]<br />
|arbitrator=none<br />
|created_at=03:58, 24 June 2008 (BST)<br />
|created_by=[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
|status=Dismissed by WanYao<br />
|summary=A dispute over changes to [[Dunell Hills/Barricade Plan]].}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Sonny_versus_Alphy_and_Secruss|Sonny versus Alphy and Secruss]]===<br />
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|users=[[User:Saromu|Sonny]] versus [[User:Alphy|Alphy]] and [[User:Secruss|Secruss]]<br />
|arbitrator=none|created_at=03:08, 18 June 2008|created_by=[[User:Saromu|Sonny]]<br />
|status=Dismissed by Sonny<br />
|summary=Sonny sought out the deletion of images about him uploaded by Alphy and Secruss.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Ioncannon11 versus boxy, Saromu and cyberbob|Ioncannon11 versus Boxy, Saromu and Cyberbob]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus<br />
|users=[[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] versus [[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]], [[User:Boxy|Boxy]] & [[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] <br />
|arbitrator=[[User:J3D|J3D]]|created_at=14:10, 1 June 2008<br />
|created_by=[[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]]<br />
|status=Concluded<br />
|summary=An edit conflict on the assorted suburb pages.}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/J3D vs Finis Valorum|J3D vs Finis Valorum]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:J3D|J3D]] & [[User:Finis Valorum|Finis Valorum]]|arbitrator=[[User:Zombie slay3r|Zombie slay3r]]|created_at=14:01, 23 May 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:J3D|J3D]]|status=Ruling has been accepted.|summary=An edit war on the [[Santlerville]] page.}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Sonny Corleone and Vandr versus Ioncannon11 and Kikashie|Sonny Corleone and Vandr versus Ioncannon11 and Kikashie]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] and [[User:Vandr|Vandr]] versus [[User:Ioncannon11|Ioncannon11]] and [[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]]|arbitrator=--{{User:Akule/sig}}|created_at=04:38, 29 May 2008|created_by=[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] and [[User:Vandr|Vandr]]|status=Ruled on 21:23, 15 June 2008 (BST). Sonny, Vandr, and Kikashie accepted ruling, Ion never participated.|summary=An edit war on the [[Invasion of Gibsonton]] page.}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cheese vs DoctorRevive|Cheese (aka KrazyMonkey) vs DoctorRevive]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Krazy Monkey}}, {{usr|DoctorRevive}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Axe Hack}}|<br />
created_at=22:07, 21 May 2008 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Krazy Monkey}}|<br />
status=Ruled on at 19:50, 28 May 2008 (BST). Both users had accepted the ruling.|<br />
summary=An edit war on the [[Giddings Mall]] page.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob240 vs TerminalFailure|Cyberbob240 vs TerminalFailure]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Cyberbob240}}, {{usr|TerminalFailure}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Akule}}|<br />
created_at=17:11, 30 March 2008 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
status=Closed without conclusion due to Terminal's [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:TerminalFailure|unexpected break]]. We'll reopen it if needed when he returns. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 01:15, 9 April 2008 (BST)|<br />
summary=Cyberbob240 seeks to get TerminalFailure to ident his replies properly.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/TerminalFailure vs AnimeSucks and Saromu|TerminalFailure vs AnimeSucks and Saromu]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|TerminalFailure}}, {{usr|AnimeSucks}}, {{usr|Saromu}} |<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Thekooks}}|<br />
created_at=15:41, 30 March 2008 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|TerminalFailure}}|<br />
status=Waiting verdict by kooks|<br />
summary=TerminalFailure seeks to get a fairer ruling for [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Sonny_Corleone_vs_TerminalFailure|Sonny Corleone vs. TerminalFailure]], as he believe the arbitrator of that case, AnimeSucks, was biased towards Saromu.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Jan-Mar==<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Thekooks vs WanYao|Thekooks vs WanYao]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Thekooks}}, {{usr|WanYao}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Karek}}|<br />
created_at=22:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Thekooks}}|<br />
status=Ruled on 20:52, 31 March 2008 (BST). Waiting for users to accept the ruling.|<br />
summary=|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Airborne88 vs TerminalFailure|Airborne88 vs TerminalFailure]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Airborne88}}, {{usr|TerminalFailure}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=21:12, 30 March 2008 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Airborne88}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 00:19, 31 March 2008 (BST) as both users solved this case outside of arbitration|<br />
summary=|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot vs Seventythree|Iscariot vs Seventythree]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Iscariot}}, {{usr|Seventythree}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=17:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Iscariot}}|<br />
status=Dismissed|<br />
summary=|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Happykook vs Iscariot|Happykook vs Iscariot]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Happykook}}, {{usr|Iscariot}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Seventythree}}|<br />
created_at=23:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Happykook}}|<br />
status=Closed - Happykook has withdrawn his claim and left the wiki/game|<br />
summary=Seeing as Happykook has left, and asked for the case to be closed twice, I am officialy decaring this case closed, unresolved. Seeing as there was no real point made or challenged, apart from HappyKook leaving, I'm not making a ruling.| <br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Sonny_Corleone_vs_TerminalFailure|Sonny Corleone vs. TerminalFailure]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Saromu}} (Sonny Corleone), {{usr|TerminalFailure}}|<br />
arbitrator=[[User:AnimeSucks|Anime Sucks]]|<br />
created_at=21:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Saromu|Sonny Corleone}} (Sonny Corleone)|<br />
status=Concluded --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 04:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Sonny felt unjustly treated by TermainalFailure and presented evidence of libel. TermainalFailure failed to provide real evidence to back his claims of Sonny Zerging and was ordered to issue an apology to which he has refused. Both parties are forbidden from interacting with each other.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Finis Valorum vs J3D|Finis Valorum vs. Jed]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Finis Valorum}}, {{usr|J3D}}|<br />
arbitrator=[[User:Krazy Monkey|Krazy Monkey]]|<br />
created_at=12:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Finis Valorum}}|<br />
status=Ruled on and terms carried out.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=A conflict of POV vs NPOV over Dakerstown suburb news.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Karek vs. Nallan and J3d|Karek vs. Nick & Jed]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Karek}}, {{usr|Nallan}}, {{usr|J3D}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Seventythree}}|<br />
created_at=08:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Karek}}|<br />
status=Ruled on and terms carried out.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=A dispute over what is appropriate for location pages.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Pdeq vs Funt Solo|Pdeq vs Funt Solo]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Pdeq}}, {{usr|Funt Solo}}|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=00:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Pdeq}}|<br />
status=closed by mutual agreement of both parties prior to an arbitrator being chosen|<br />
summary=A conflict over the validity of duping [[Suggestion:20080305 Opening Doors From the Inside|this suggestion]]|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Krazy Monkey vs User:Finis Valorum|Krazy Monkey vs Finis Valorum]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Finis Valorum}}, {{usr|Krazy Monkey}}|<br />
arbitrator=[[User:Karek|Karek]]|<br />
created_at=10:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Krazy Monkey}}|<br />
status=Ruled --<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 23:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Boxy vs. Jack's Cold Sweat and Chimera|Boxy vs. Jack's Cold Sweat and Chimera]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|boxy}}, {{usr|Jack's Cold Sweat}}, {{usr|Chimera}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Iscariot}}|<br />
created_at=02:27 22 January 2008 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|boxy}}|<br />
status=Withdrawn 12:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=A dispute about editing rights on the [[BRRC]] page.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Lh778 vs Finis Valorum|Lh778 vs Finis Valorum]] ===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Lh778}}, {{usr|Finis Valorum}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}|<br />
created_at=14:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Lh778}}|<br />
status=Dismissed in 21:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob vs Nalikill|Cyberbob vs. Nalikill]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Cyberbob240}}, {{usr|Nalikill}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Seventythree}}|<br />
created_at=05:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 13:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Nalikill was found to have conducted the arbitration case incorrectly, and was asked to refrain from acting as arbiter for two weeks to give him time to learn how to arbitrate correctly from reading the guidelines and familiarising himself with previous cases. Following some concerns of Nalikill's Cyberbob was asked to refrain from placing any direct insults on Nalikill's talkpage for a period of four months. The ruling for the case that Nalikill arbitrated was overturned and declared non-binding.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grim s vs Blood Panther|The Grimch vs. BP]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Grim s}}, {{usr|Blood Panther}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|boxy}}|<br />
created_at=05:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Grim s}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 03:29 23 January 2008 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jack's Cold Sweat vs TZH|Jack's Cold Sweat Vs. TZH]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Jack's Cold Sweat}}, [[TZH]]|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Nalikill}}|<br />
created_at=22:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Jack's Cold Sweat}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 00:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jon Pyre vs Grim S|Jon Pyre vs Grim S]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Jon Pyre}}, {{usr|Grim s}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=17:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Jon Pyre}}|<br />
status=Case dismissed at 11:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=2007=<br />
<br />
==Oct-Dec==<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob240 vs Ashley Valentine|Cyberbob vs Ashley Valentine]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Cyberbob240}}, {{usr|Ashley Valentine}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Karek}}|<br />
created_at=05:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 17:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Blood Panther vs Treviabot92|Blood Panther vs Treviabot92]] ===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Blood Panther}}, {{usr|Treviabot92}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Seventythree}}|<br />
created_at=17:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Blood Panther}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 12:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Viva La Revolucion vs Darkmagic|Viva La Revolucion vs. Darkmagic]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=[[Viva La Revolucion]], {{usr|Darkmagic}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Seventythree}}|<br />
created_at=09:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Prisonner of Today}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 00:58, 1 December 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Max Grivas and Grim s vs Akule|Max Grivas and Grim s vs Akule]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Max Grivas}}, {{usr|Grim s}}, {{usr|Akule}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Conndraka}}|<br />
created_at=12:41, 12 September 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Max Grivas}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 01:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Karek vs Sockem (2)|Karek vs Sockem]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Karek}}, {{usr|Sockem}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
created_at=07:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Karek}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 07:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Karek vs Sockem|Karek vs Sockem]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Karek}}, {{usr|Sockem}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=02:43, 15 November 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Karek}}|<br />
status=dismissed at 22:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Jul-Sep==<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Nalikill vs Saromu|Nalikill vs Saromu]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Nalikill}}, {{usr|Saromu}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=00:02, 17 September 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Nalikill}}|<br />
status=dismissed at 10:49 17 September 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Stuartbman vs The General|Stuarbman vs The General]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Stuartbman}}, {{usr|The General}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Jedaz}}|<br />
created_at=00:51, 11 September 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Stuartbman}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 09:14, 13 September 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob240 vs Matthewfahrenheit|Cyberbob240 vs Matthewfahrenheit]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Cyberbob240}}, {{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=07:37, 30 August 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
status=dismissed|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Nalikill vs Grim s|Nalikill vs Grim s]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Nalikill}}, {{usr|Grim s}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Saromu}}|<br />
created_at=21:13, 24 August 2007 (BST) |<br />
created_by={{usr|Nalikill}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 22:23, 24 August 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Stuartbman vs Darkmagic|Stuartbman vs Darkmagic]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Stuartbman}}, {{usr|Darkmagic}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|boxy}}|<br />
created_at=09:59, 27 June 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Stuartbman}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 04:22, 19 July 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Apr-Jun==<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Blood Panther vs Donathin|Blood Panther vs Donathin]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Blood Panther}}, {{usr|Donathin}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=07:21, 27 June 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Blood Panther}}|<br />
status=dismissed at 09:31, 28 June 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Labine50 vs SooP|Labine50 vs SooP]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Labine50}}, {{usr|SooP}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=02:43, 21 June 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Labine50}}|<br />
status=dismissed and dealt in [[A/VB]]|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Militant Order of Barhah vs Malton Mob|Militant Order of Barhah vs Malton Mob]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=[[Malton Mob]], [[Militant Order of Barhah]]|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|hagnat}}|<br />
created_at=23:44, 8 June 2007 (GMT)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Seloth}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 03:25, 15 June 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Dispute over the [[MOB]] redirect page.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/SgtBop vs Evildemon989|SgtBop vs Evildemon989]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|SgtBop}}, {{usr|Evildemon989}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=07:45, 5 June 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|SgtBop}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 09:04, 5 June 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Axe27 vs Bagel7|Axe27 vs Bagel7]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Axe27}}, {{usr|Bagel7}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=20:47, 12 May 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Axe27}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 09:41, 21 May 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Mark D. Stroyer vs Gage|Mark D. Stroyer vs Gage]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Mark D. Stroyer}}, {{usr|Gage}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Thari}}|<br />
created_at=00:03, 12 April 2007 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Mark D. Stroyer}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 05:34, 17 April 2007 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Jan-Mar==<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Creedy Defence Force vs Angels of Mercy|Creedy Defence Force vs Angels of Mercy]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=[[Angels of Mercy]], [[Creedy Defense Force]]|<br />
arbitrator=?|<br />
created_at=00:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|boxy}}|<br />
status=?|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Xoid and Cyberbob240 vs Hagnat|Xoid and Cyberbob240 vs Hagnat]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Xoid}}, {{usr|Cyberbob240}}, {{usr|hagnat}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Thari}}|<br />
created_at=13:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Xoid}}|<br />
status=Dismissed in favor of {{usr|Xoid}} and {{usr|Cyberbob240}}, at 03:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Matthewfarenheit vs Saromu|Matthewfarenheit vs Saromu]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}, {{usr|Saromu}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}|<br />
created_at=02:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 20:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Hagnat vs The General|Hagnat vs The General]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|hagnat}}, {{usr|The General}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}|<br />
created_at=21:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|hagnat}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 02:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=A debate to decide if the arbitration case [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The_General_vs_Terminator_484|The General vs Terminator 484]] should be archived or not, as more than four weeks passed since the last edit was made in said case. The arbitrator ruled that the case should be moved to the archive.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The General vs Terminator 484|The General vs Terminator 484]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|The General}}, {{usr|Terminator 484}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|The General}}|<br />
created_at=08:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|The General}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 02:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Matthewfahrenheit vs Cyberbob240|Matthewfahrenheit vs Cyberbob240]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}, {{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Gage}}|<br />
created_at=09:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 03:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=2006=<br />
<br />
==Oct-Dec==<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/TheUncleBob vs Angels of Mercy|TheUncleBob vs Angels of Mercy]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|TheUncleBob}}, [[Angels of Mercy]]|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Gage}}|<br />
created_at=02:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|TheUncleBob}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 02:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Gage vs DarkStar2374383 (2)|Gage vs DarkStar2374383 (2)]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Gage}}, {{usr|DarkStar2374383}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Absolution}}|<br />
created_at=02:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Gage}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 05:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Gage vs DarkStar2374383|Gage vs DarkStar2374383]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Gage}}, {{usr|DarkStar2374383}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
created_at=09:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Gage}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 10:09, 12 November 2006 (UTC)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Elias Taylor vs Crabappleslegalteam|Elias Taylor vs Crabappleslegalteam]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Elias Taylor}}, {{usr|Crabappleslegalteam}}|<br />
arbitrator=?|<br />
created_at=11:14, 2 November 2006 (UTC)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Elias Taylor}}|<br />
status=?|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
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==Jul-Sep==<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Scinfaxi vs jjames|Scinfaxi vs jjames]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Scinfaxi}}, {{usr|jjames}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=19:59, 27 September 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Scinfaxi}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 07:35, 14 October 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/DHPD vs Maxwell Hammer|DHPD vs Maxwell Hammer]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Conndraka}}, [[DHPD]], {{usr|Maxwell Hammer}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Mia Kristos}}|<br />
created_at=07:53, 14 October 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Conndraka}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 22:49, 16 October 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob240 vs Gold Blade|Cyberbob240 vs Gold Blade]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Cyberbob240}}, {{usr|Gold Blade}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=07:15, 1 October 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 07:16, 3 October 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Scinfaxi vs jjames (2)|Scinfaxi vs jjames (2)]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Scinfaxi}}, {{usr|Jjames}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=19:59, 27 September 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Scinfaxi}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at an unknown time|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jjames vs 1 4 of CDF|Jjames vs 1 4 of CDF]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Jjames}}, {{usr|1 4 of CDF}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=17:00, 23 September 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Jjames}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at an unknown time|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jjames vs Zod Rhombus|Jjames vs Zod Rhombus]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Jjames}}, {{usr|Zod Rhombus}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|hagnat}}|<br />
created_at=05:56, 20 September 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Jjames}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 16:29, 25 September 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The General vs Jjames|The General vs Jjames]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|The General}}, {{usr|Jjames}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=16:20, 25 September 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|The General}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 03:02, 9 October 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/jjames vs Various|jjames vs Various]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Jjames}}, {{usr|CaptainM}}, {{usr|Axe Hack}}, {{usr|Gage}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=10:51, 24 September 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Jjames}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 05:01, 25 September 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The General vs The Apocalypse Horde|The General vs The Apocalypse Horde]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|The General}}, {{usr|Roysten Crow}}, [[The Apocalypse Horde]]|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|hagnat}}|<br />
created_at=21:25, 18 September 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|The General}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 21:34, 24 September 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Fuster vs Gage|Fuster vs Gage]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Fuster}}, {{usr|Gage}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=03:38, 19 September 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Fuster}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at an unknown time|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Matthewfarenheit vs Cyberbob240|Matthewfarenheit vs Cyberbob240]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}, {{usr|Cyberbob240}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|BobHammero}}|<br />
created_at=01:27, 16 July 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Matthewfarenheit}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 01:52, 17 July 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Banana Bear4 vs Legend X|Banana Bear4 vs Legend X]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Banana Bear4}}, {{usr|Legend X}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|BobHammero}}|<br />
created_at=06:12, 5 July 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Banana Bear4}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 21:43, 6 July 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Labine50 vs LCpl Mendoza|Labine50 vs LCpl Mendoza]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Labine50}}, {{usr|LCpl Mendoza}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Saromu}}|<br />
created_at=02:40, 1 July 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Labine50}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 03:28, 1 July 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jjames vs Karlsbad|Jjames vs Karlsbad]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Jjames}}, {{usr|Karlsbad}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Saromu}} ?|<br />
created_at=07:54, 18 July 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Jjames}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 01:30, 26 July 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Banana Bear4 vs Legend X (2)|Banana Bear4 vs. Legend X (2)]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Banana Bear4}}, {{usr|Legend X}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Krazy Monkey}}|<br />
created_at=06:36, 31 July 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Banana Bear4}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 23:39, 8 August 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Xoid vs Operation White Storm and Operation Black Storm|Xoid vs Operation White Storm and Operation Black Storm]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Xoid}}, {{usr|Jjames}}|<br />
arbitrator=none|<br />
created_at=19:55, 10 August 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Xoid}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 05:31, 15 August 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jjames vs Karlsbad (2)|Jjames vs Karlsbad (2)]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Jjames}}, {{usr|Karlsbad}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Saromu}}|<br />
created_at=07:54, 18 July 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|Jjames}}|<br />
status=Ruled at 16:49, 19 August 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Bob Hammero vs God|Bob Hammero vs God]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|God}}, {{usr|BobHammero}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|Darth Sensitive}}|<br />
created_at=06:30, 14 August 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|BobHammero}}|<br />
status="''Razor Thin Violation''" reported at 06:02, 20 August 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/MrAushvitz vs Gage|MrAushvitz vs Gage]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users={{usr|Gage}}, {{usr|hagnat}}|<br />
arbitrator={{usr|BobHammero}}|<br />
created_at=04:00, 30 August 2006 (BST)|<br />
created_by={{usr|hagnat}}|<br />
status=Dismissed at 22:42, 1 September 2006 (BST)|<br />
summary=A "''hands off''" case against {{usr|Gage}}, for abusing {{usr|MrAushvitz}} talk page while he was banned. This was before the schedule protection of banned users talk pages.|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=Unsorted=<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Alexei Yaruk vs Katthew|Alexei Yaruk vs Katthew]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Ruining vs ALIENwolve|Ruining vs ALIENwolve]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Amazing vs MaulMachine|Amazing vs MaulMachine]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Amazing vs Bentley Foss|Amazing vs Bentley Foss]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Amazing vs. MaulMachine(2)|Amazing vs. MaulMachine(2)]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Ruining vs Xeeron|Ruining vs Xeeron]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/RCDC vs. Newgrounds|RCDC vs. Newgrounds]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Amazing vs. 'STER|Amazing vs. 'STER]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Amazing vs Rasher, Scinfaxi, and GANKBUS|Amazing vs Rasher, Scinfaxi, and GANKBUS]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grim s VS Zombie Squad|Grim s VS Zombie Squad]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Amazing vs Karlsbad|Amazing vs Karlsbad]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Amazing vs Rasher (2)|Amazing vs Rasher (2)]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/MrAushvitz vs Various|MrAushvitz vs Various]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Wikigate|Wikigate]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/hagnat vs. Amazing|hagnat vs. Amazing]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The Fifth Horseman vs Akule|The Fifth Horseman vs Akule]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Koppie vs Saromu|Koppie vs Saromu]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Sonny Corleone vs Bonefiver|Sonny Corleone vs Bonefiver]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Sonny Corleone vs Rosicrux|Sonny Corleone vs Rosicrux]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
<br />
===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/BananaBear vs Legend X|BananaBear vs Legend X]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
created_by=|<br />
status=|<br />
summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
}}<br />
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===[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Duce Nauks vs Certified=Insane|Duce Nauks vs Certified=Insane]]===<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|<br />
users=|<br />
arbitrator=|<br />
created_at=|<br />
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summary=Waiting for summary|<br />
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While the wiki community attempts to work on the basis of encouragement and cooperation, there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord. In the event of this happening, the Arbitration Team may be called upon to intervene, and attempt to find a reasonable compromise that, while perhaps not satisfying both parties, may at least assist in defusing the situation, thanks to the unbiased third party.<br />
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=Guidelines for Arbitration Requests=<br />
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In assisting in Arbitration, we generally suggest that both parties agree to the Arbitration. This is not, by any means, a requirement, but we do require that both parties be represented in proceedings.<br />
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Any Arbitration request should provide at least the following:<br />
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* '''The aggrieved parties.''' Either person vs person, or [list of people] vs [list of people].<br />
* '''The reason for the arbitration.''' This should very specifically be without reference to people, as that information has already been provided. It should be a short paragraph indicating the causes of the aggrievement, and why both parties feel it requires arbitration<br />
* '''Any pages affected by the aggrievement.''' This should be a simple list of links. <br />
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Once the Arbitration commences, the Arbitrator will request statements from all parties involved. Any evidence to back up one's statement should be provided in link form. Each party will then have an opportunity to rebut their opponent's statement. After these two steps, the Arbitrator will then consider the case, and reach a conclusion, and determine the outcome that is required. It's the duty of the Arbitrator to move a case he accepted to a subpage of UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration, and to update the status of the arbitration case in the [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Arbitration_Cases_in_Progress|Arbitration Cases in Progress]] section.<br />
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As a note, by requesting an Arbitration, all parties are thus obliged to accept the outcome of the Arbitration. Not doing will be considered Vandalism, and such vandalism attempts will be treated as if the vandal has already received two warnings.<br />
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After the Arbitration is over, it will then be moved to an archive page. As publicly accessible pages, they may be used to establish precedent in further, applicable cases.<br />
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=Current Arbitrators=<br />
:''For guidelines on how to arbitrate, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration Guidelines|Arbitration Guidelines]].''<br />
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The following users have placed their hand up as users who are willing to be contacted to act as an Arbitrator. The role of Arbitrator is not restricted to the Administration Team; any user can be contacted as an Arbitrator and use this page for the arbitration, so long as both parties agree to the Arbitrator. Users who wish to place their hand up as an Arbitrator should place their name below on the list, using {{CodeInline|<nowiki>*{{usr|YourUserPage}}</nowiki>}}<br />
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Also note that not all listed Arbitrators are active on the Wiki.<br />
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*{{usr|Acoustic Pie}}<br />
*{{User|Airborne88}}<br />
*{{usr|Akule}}<br />
*[[User:AnimeSucks|AnimeSucks]]<br />
*[[User:Atticus Rex|Atticus Rex]]<br />
*[[User:Axe Hack|Axe Hack]]<br />
*[[User:Blood Panther|Blood Panther]]<br />
*[[User:Boxy|boxy]]<br />
*[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]]<br />
*[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<br />
*[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]]<br />
*{{usr|DanceDanceRevolution}}<br />
*[[User:Ashley Valentine|DevilAsh]]<br />
*{{User|Dragon fang}}<br />
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*[[User:Drawde|Drawde]]<br />
*[[User:Funt_Solo|Funt Solo]]<br />
*[[User: Gus Thomas|Gus Thomas]]<br />
*[[User:Galaxy125|Galaxy125]]<br />
*[[User:hagnat|hagnat]]<br />
*[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]<br />
*[[User:Headless Gunner|Headless Gunner]]<br />
*[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]<br />
*[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]<br />
*[[User:J3D|Jed]]<br />
*[[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]]<br />
*[[User:JaredV|JaredV]]<br />
*[[User:Karek|Karek]]<br />
*[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]]<br />
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*{{user|Labine50}}<br />
*[[User:Sexylegsread|MichaelRead]]<br />
*[[user:Nubis|Nubis]]<br />
*[[User:Ottari|Ottari]]<br />
*[[User:Pdeq|Pdeq]]<br />
*[[user:rosslessness|Rosslessness]]<br />
*[[User:Seventythree|Seventythree]]<br />
*[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]]<br />
*[[User:Suicidalangel|Suicidal Angel]]<br />
*[[User:Toejam|Toejam]]<br />
*[[User:Xan2020|Xan Krieger]]<br />
*[[User:Zombie slay3r|Z. slay3r]]<br />
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=Arbitration Cases Currently Under Consideration=<br />
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==[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]] vs. [[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot]]==<br />
Enough is enough. Not only is he filling up misconduct cases with [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Nubis| drivel]], his talk page specifically threatens misconduct against any member of the sysop team who contacts him, which btw is against standards as it was determined a LONG time ago that participants on the wiki must have a venue where they are able to be reached by others (iirc it was somewhere in the debates about the signature policy but can't take the time to go a looking right now.) He's entitled to his opinions but all this making mountains out of mole-hill crap is getting ridiculous. Ever since his buddy Grim got banned he's been on the war wagon and has a particular distaste for those of us who "persecuted" the all wonderful Grim.<br />
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To be honest I don' know what I seek out of this but the juris-my-dick-shun crap has got to stop, and all members of the wiki need to have the ability to contact the others. Deleted if you want after the fact, but threatening misconduct for saying hi, bye, or GTFO? thats Bullshit.<br />
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Oh and to make a point... As this affects the rights and responsibilities inherent in being a sysop, I will only accept current or former members of the sysop team as an arbitrator. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 11:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I acknowledge this case and will represent myself. I await volunteer arbitrators. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Oooooooooooooooooo!! Pick me!! I like talking about stuff. =) -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Your handle of choice is a form of moldy milk, accordingly I reject you as arbitrator. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:47, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Er..does it really matter if he threatens misconduct for contacting him? It's not like that'd EVER get misconduct, apart from the fact that nothing gets misconduct anymore, that's just, well, not misconduct. (sorry for all the commas) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:J3D is right. In the case Iscariot doesn't accept a sysop, I will arbitrate as I have nothing against both parties. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I reject you as arbitraitor. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You do realise you already gave the game away as to how you'd rule? People don't like arbitrators who go into cases with their minds already made up, you know. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 01:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Why are you on list of arbitrators then? And my mind isn't made up. I happen to know Iscariot is very good in arbitration cases. And I was merely pointing out that in practice the ploy would not have effect. I didn't say I would rule against it. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 02:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Was that supposed to be a burn? When it comes to arbitrating I'll have you know I am more than capable of being impartial. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 02:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::You continue to argue as if I give a damn. Sorry cf =[ {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::You continue to try and bail on arguments you get dominated in using the same tired old "I don't care" line. Sorry ddd =[ --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Lol whats ddd? My favourite acronym beginning with DD is DDS or dumb drunk slut. It spawned from the dumbdrunksluts website (college girls suck and fuck for your entertainment etc) and has only grown in popularity since then.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"Dee dee dee" is a phrase often used by Carlos Mencia to describe retards. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 09:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::If there is an offer to arby somewhere in there Bob,I'll consider it. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 17:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I'd be happy to do it but I don't think Iscariot is going to accept me. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 23:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::CF, you do understand that taking you ''seriously'' in an argument is the only way someone would lose. Since when was this an argument? since when was I getting dominated? It surprises me that you of all people take such things too seriously =] {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 01:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I'm talking from the viewpoint of a third party. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 01:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::You forgot the little =] or =[ or even =P face at the end of that post.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
I'll be arbitatortot. I just want to go to Arby's so badly. Their 5 for $5 deal is amazing. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 01:08, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:No special offers for you, I reject you as arbitrator. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Die in a fire. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 19:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I can has arby's? --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 02:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Noez, you can notz has arbys. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Is anyone spotting a pattern emerging here? I had considered taking this case on and winning it, however with the current A/VB case being ruled against me, even though Gnome outright admitted he had not struck the vote in the correct manner, I see no reason to give our sysops yet more statutes to ignore and twist in order to tarnish my record. Until the A/VB travesty is rectified by another sysop I will maintain my position here. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:So you're not going to accept an arbitrator? It seems a bit churlish to say you'll represent yourself and not accept any. At least pick from the list a group who you would accept.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 16:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::It may seem that way, but it's the only way to prevent oneself being screwed over by the system. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Tough.. I brought the case and it will be arbitrated...<s>wether you accept one or not. Read the policy...</s> Now as far as Cheese...Sorry It would be inappropriate since you have a case against one of the parties already. Sonny...hmmm its possible...were you ever a sysop? I cant remember. It says at the top of this case that I will only accept a current or former member of the sysop team. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 17:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:nevermind in that regard...seems wording was changed from the policy I was used to using...let me put it this way. Ive brought a case, and only someone with sysop experience will arby it. If you don't like that, feel free to not participate. The largest part of this case is because of Iscariots unwillingness to play well with others... If he insists on being the drama whore, he should go play with himself and leave the vast majority of the community alone. Drumming up crap simply because things arn't going your way (or how you think they should go) smells of ''grimness'' to the extreme. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 17:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Did you just try and quote policy at me? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That just made my day.<br />
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::You see, over on A/M you enjoy throwing your weight around as a sysop and having final say. Down here you have this thing called equality. Your sysop status means precisely ''fuck'' and ''all''. This is a wonderful world of policy, guidelines and precedent. Down here, I'm God.<br />
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::You can choose not to accept any non-sysop, that's your choice, but you cannot force me to accept one either. You cannot force me to accept ''any'' arbitrator, that's kind of the point of arbies there kiddo. If one side could just demand on the arbitrator for a case, can you imagine what kind of mayhem could be caused? Can you imagine the kind of person that would jump on that precedent for shits and giggles? I could....<br />
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::Your impotent rage amuses me, do go on. Sentences like ''"I brought the case and it will be arbitrated on"'' bring me much mirth. Since you keep erroneously referring to Grim and I as friends I invite you to check the edit history between us, we weren't on each other's Hanukkah card list. And because it amuses my sense of irony, [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jon_Pyre_vs_Grim_S|welcome to precedent]], starring Grim.<br />
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::Hugs and kisses -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Policy clearly just says he has to be represented. It doesn't say it has to be him representing himself. I would think in a case where the issue is a user's blatant creation of a hostile environment it would be assumed that he wouldn't cooperate. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 18:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::You know full well you cannot force a user to be represented by another unless they refuse to participate. I am participating and am representing myself. However I do not believe myself and my opponent will agree to an arbitrator. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Unless you list possible arbitrators you will accept ''you are clearly refusing to participate''. It's that simple. If you were willing to work this out you would be offering names in an effort to start the case. Since you have not even suggested one person you are not participating. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:36, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: I know nothing of the kind. Tell me where there is a policy that says that Arbitration CANT be used in such a manner, And before you go and throw the whole misconduct bit up...I mean by '''any''' user. ''Although sysops do have that whole interpretations clause...hmmmm'' [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 22:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Go right ahead and use that ''interpretation'' clause, firstly it doesn't apply here, secondly, go ahead, make this a misconduct case. I await the community to start viewing you as Grim Mark II. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
I'd accept Nubis as an arbitrator. Obviously Iscariot's own statement above indicates an inability to work with any member of the sysop team and I beleive his behavior is a significant detractor to the community at large. As we don't HAVE to agree on an arbitrator unless they aren't listed on the above list. Check your periods, colons and semi-colons at the door. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 22:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Where did you get this made-up rule from? Pulling stuff out your ass again? All arbitrator candidates have to be accepted by both parties unless one party refuses to participate in the process. I am participating by representing myself. I do however disagree with your choices of arbitrator. Feel free to follow the link I gave you to this thing we like to call ''precedent'', you must have heard of it. Also your choices are intrisically biased as they are de facto involved being subject to my talk page restrictions as you yourself pointed out in your opening blurb. Your insistence on a biased arbitrator shows your bad faith towards this process.<br />
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:Also, I reject Nubis as arbitrator. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: Bad faith? No more so than you refusing to allow members of the sysop team to arbitrate this case OR ANY OTHER CASE you are involved in. And no...as a Government Teacher I get to read law and precedent all the time...means jack in reality as each individual case may be used to supersede previous precedent unless you are in an apellette court or a states judicial review court. (and btw its spelled ''intrinsically'') And I'm telling you no where in the above policy does it state you HAVE to be involved if you are failing to participate by agreeing to an arbiter (oh and since I brought the case the onus falls on you.) [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 22:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I am allowed to reject ''any'' arbitrator for any reason I like. Precedent allows me this action whilst still representing myself and participating in that manner. Which ''policy'' do you refer? You'd best not be confusing guidelines and policy, because that would just make you look stupid. Now I understand this may be an unfamiliar concept to you, but here we work on precedent that is formed via ''community consensus''. The community, you remember us right? We're the one's whose trust you're supposed to hold. I'm quoting directly from this consensus and precedent, you are quoting from....well nothing actually. <br />
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:::You're a ''Government Teacher''? If you taught the current US Administration you should be ashamed.<br />
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:::I would get into this with you, but I'm going to bed. I shall continue to review the volunteer arbitrators as they appear. Feel free to continue digging your hole. Also, ''nowhere'' is one word in the context you're using it. Hope you aren't teaching grammar. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Blood Panther vs Treviabot92|Does this help?]] --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Not when [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jon_Pyre_vs_Grim_S|this]] supersedes it. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I don't see how that supersedes anything when the reason it didn't continue had nothing to do with Grim's refusal of all arbitrators. Read Jedaz's comment at the bottom. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 23:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Agreed, Iscariot is grasping at straws. He didn't respond to the fact that precedent can be over turned at any new case and I beleive this case should be used to set a new precedent as well as one where users arn't allowed to circumvent the arby process like Iscariot is atempting to. as a side note...I don't see any community support for you Iscariot, just a loner yelling into the wind so you can hear yourself talk. Its my theory the reason why you arn't running for sysop is that you know you couldn't get enough non-meatpuppet vouches to progress past the first stage, much less get approved rather than your lovely excuses you mentioned prior. Plain and simple you wont accept anyone because of your fear and knowlege that you are a twisted little internet troll that thrives on shouting "community" while doing very little constructive. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 01:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::I'm not the one grasping at straws, you've tried every single way of trying to force through this case on your terms and all have failed. You are the one trying to drive this through with a biased and involved party as arbitrator as you know that anyone impartial to this would rule against you. Changing precedent unilaterally on your own say so is meaningless, as I'll just change it back, your analogy is flawed as in legal precedent an impartial judge sets the precedent, you are an involved party, you don't want a fair attempt at conflict resolution, you want a show trial. You can feel free to make it policy, you [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion|know where to go]], feel free to see if your kangaroo court policy will be passed by the community and re-bring this case against me. I'll point out that if you think the community would ever pass such a travesty that you're probably off your medication.<br />
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::::Your points about sysop candidacy are most revealing and frankly disturbing. First of all, as has been proven, [[UDWiki:Administration/Promotions/J3D|community support means little if you aren't chummy with the bureaucrats]]. Secondly you seem to be equating sysop status with some sort of exalted position that everyone should aspire to, it's not. It is a responsibility to the community, not a badge or symbol of greater worth. If you are viewing it in this manner perhaps you should reconsider you reasoning for maintaining your status as a sysop.<br />
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::::I'm doing little constructive am I? I tell you what, we'll compare contributions over the last 30 days and see who's done more general maintenance shall we? I believe it would be quite eye-opening for the community.<br />
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::::Finally, the correct spelling you are looking for is ''"aren't"'', it being the contraction of ''"are not"'', I hope you aren't teaching English to those governments. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: As has been established now many years ago on this wiki, my spelling is atrocious comes from having a learning disability which I have struggled to overcome most of my life. I accept that. Unfortunately its quite obvious that being an ass is a disability for you. Dreadfully apparent is the fact that you are failing in what ever manner you are dealing with that. Second as far as constructive... Yea you are right... 1 vandal case and numerous arbitrations some of which were jokes but still... Third... Again I don't see ''community'' here.. Just you. ergo I give you the opportunity to list ANY arbitrator from the above list that you will accept. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 13:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::It's way too late, i have an exam in 9 hours and i've consumed too much caffeine but i'll volunteer to arby this. At first i wasn't interested but it's blown up quite spectacularly. Anyway i thought i'd put my hand up.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Offers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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and to take it a step Further: Question to the community Is Iscariot participating in good faith in the arbitration process.<br />
#'''NO'''[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 13:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
#'''No and neither are you!''' Frankly I do not blame him. You say yourself that you do not know what you want done to him and then you expect him to accept an arbitrator from a very small list of people whom he feels will be biased against him. Most importantly though you are trying to force him to accept arbitration knowing full well that an arbitration ruling without his consent to be involved is meaningless because he has not accepted its authority. Arbitration is supposed to be a place to work out disagreement '''not''' where you go to get sanctions/punishments dished out. Iscariot can arbitrarily bar you from his talk page if he wants but it will have fuck all force unless it is the result of a mutually accepted Arby case or a Mod enforced rule. If he takes you to Misconduct for ignoring his ban then he will get laughed at end of story.... Yes he is being irritating but that is (unfortunately) not against the rules. You want to stop him rules lawyering misconduct cases then stop cutting corners!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 16:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
#:notice I changed my stance and asked him to list any arbiter he would accept from the list. I'm not asking for any kind of punishment or arbitrary sanction... I simply want him to get off the crusading white horse where he is in fact NOT supported by the community he purports to represent. Its more than I could ask for that he realize that precedent has the strength of only that case and that precedent is overturned on a fairly regular basis. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 18:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
#::I feel very torn here.... I agree that he does seem to be on some sort of misguided crusade. However, forcing (or trying to force) someone to participate in an arby case against their will is counter-productive. If they give in and are unhappy with the result it can only harm the process... if they refuse and a ruling is made that has no real force to bind them it makes the process pointless and a laughing stock. I simply don't think any case in which both parties are not willing to accept a ruling should be pursued here as it will settle nothing!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
#:::The simplest solution would be for Conndraka (and any sysops worried about this) to ignore the "warning", and if Iscariot puts any sysop up for misconduct just [[A/VB]] him for posting a clearly frivilous case. The "rules" on a users page have only ever been enforcable after arbitration (and only in cases of personality conflicts). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:27/31/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
#'''Get your witch hunt off arbies, Con''' - This is a stupid arbitration case, you don't even know what you want out of it, only that he annoys you (and pretty much everyone else) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:21 31 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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==[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot]] vs. [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]==<br />
This is a case over the ruling in the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction Jorm/Zeug case]. Cheese has exceeded his remit as arbitrator in this case by ordering the circumvention of established wiki procedure.<br />
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I wish to have sections of his ruling stricken and declared unenforceable.<br />
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I will accept any arbitrator who has shown an understanding for following established wiki policy and procedure in their edit history. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:15, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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I can has arby? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 23:38, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:<s>I accept Bob. He has long shown that he follows wiki policy and procedure to the letter. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:39, 30 September 2008 (BST)</s><br />
::My indiscretions are by choice, not by lack of knowledge. You'll also note that I was more than courteous and impartial in my previous case. I take being an arbitrator seriously. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 00:31, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Seriously though, I think this case is one of the most moronic that has ever been brought. Iscariot basically wants my ruling stricken so that a deleted page can be restored just to be deleted again next week. This is stupid and a waste of time on everyone's part. I refuse to play any part in this. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:16, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Then the arby ruling will happen without any input from you whatsoever. And if he finds an arbitrator sympathetic to his side, he'll get what he wants, thus just wasting more time when the page gets re-deleted. If he's serious, go along, or find representation. You should know all of this. Save others time by sacrificing a little to go with the case.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:28, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Fine. I still think this is moronic. But SA has a point. I will represent myself. Arbitrators who want in, please leave a note. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:31, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Wait a minute. You can not arbitrate against someone that doesn't choose to participate in the arbitration. ''Then the arby ruling will happen without any input from you whatsoever. '' This is complete bullshit. If this was the case then I could go back and find either old pages that the users have "abandoned" or for that matter users that aren't as active these days and set up cases against them, pick my buddy to arby, and get whatever I wanted done. Arbies has to have BOTH parties involved and if Cheese refuses to participate then he can not be forced to. Arbies is an option not required for conflict resolution. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:55, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Shhh, don't tell the peoplez da truth!--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:39, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Actually the rules say an Arbies case can be made without participation of the other side.... however there s no point doing so as without their agreement to enter the process there s no way to make them accept the outcome! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:30, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::And that loophole right there is the crux of what is fucking wrong with this wiki. That needs to be closed up. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:09, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You're wrong, sorry. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:12, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::It's not really a loophole though is it? You can't force someone to accept arbitration, it goes totally counter to the meaning of the word! Perhaps a seperate procedure for such cases might work but that would really be a case of asking for judgement rather than a negotiated settlement and there is no way that the person bringing such a case should have any control over who rules on it... Hell such a thing should probably be open to public vote like deletions is!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:24, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Actually it's probably a good chance to clarify established wiki procedure and underline where Arbitration fits on this wiki. If deletions can be forced through by 'popular' vote (ie meatpuppets) without recourse to arbitration then it's anarchy, a good example is [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#UZM|wan's direct recourse to deletion]] twice now with both the original UZM and its redirect. As it is the deletions vote is an easy bad faith way of not bothering with arbitration. As for your ruling being 'unenforceable' ... well it came to the same conclusion as wan's delete request, Iscariot's vote and upheld jorm's request for deletion! It doesn't override or circumvent but rather concurs. It would be enforceable after the vote cos even if the ''Keep's'' won the day I would have requested ''speedy deletion'' as per your ruling. Finally, as original author I changed my vote to ''speedy delete'' and isn't that justification in itself for speedy deletion (criteria #7 Author Edit Only)? Isn't there a procedure to deal with litigious members on this wiki? They're generally a huge waste of time otherwise. --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 07:42, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Quit your whining, and quit trying to play the victim. No one buys it. ''You'' started this problem, and you escalated it. Time and time again, repeatedly. By refusing to refusing to allow groups them to edit themselves from a public, community page they wanted nothing to do with. ''You'' are the one who caused the friction and drama: this is fallout from a situation you started, fomented and perpetuated. You know it. I know it. ''Everyone'' else knows it. <br />
::::But anyway... We apologise for this interruption, and return you now to your regularly scheduled programming: Zeug's usual arguments ad hominen, facile dissemblings and assorted "other general whinging". --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 08:36, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Shhhh ... it's OK wan. I'm sure everybody understands your pain and we're all here for you buddy. And don't worry, even with [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Zeug|4 v/b's]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#UZM|2 deletions]] and [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction|an arbi case]] called against me over the last few days I can assure you I feel in no way victimized. Quite the opposite, I love the wiki process and I love UD and its social network. And with this case maybe we can put a brake on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Grim_s&oldid=1278129#Iscariot meatpuppet attacks in the deletions vote].--[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 12:40, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
I'll arbitrate, but you should know that arbitration has a long history of ordering [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The_Fifth_Horseman_vs_Akule|deletions]], and frankly, if a decent, impartial arbitrator orders it (as seems to have happened in this case), it is a better system than internet democracy because the decision is made by someone who has all the relevant facts, as presented by the parties involved <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:23 1 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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I do not accept Bob, for obvious reasons, and will not accept Boxy due to his sysop status. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:49, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:why must you hurt my feelings when i can obviously be imapartial when I arbitrate --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 16:07, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm somewhat new to Arbies, having only added myself recently, but I'd be willing.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 20:06, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I also offer to arby. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 16:28, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/ShadowScope vs. Midianian|ShadowScope vs. Midianian]]==<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Midianian vs. Karek|Midianian vs. Karek]]==<br />
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*[[:Category:Arbitration Cases|List of Arbitration Cases]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Midianian_vs_Karek&diff=1307302UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Midianian vs Karek2008-10-30T06:21:37Z<p>Jedaz: </p>
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<div>==[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] vs. [[User:Karek|Karek]]==<br />
This is about the [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections#border-radius|protection request]] where I requested that the individual CSS styles creating the rounded corners on certain pages be replaced with a template, which was done by [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]], but later reverted by Karek. We discussed it on the protections page, but didn't reach an agreement. Finally he moved the request from Requested Edits to Recent Actions when [[User_talk:Karek#border-radius|I suggested we go to arbitration]] to settle this.<br />
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The pages in the original request were:<br />
*[[Main Page]]<br />
*[[Template:Navigation]]<br />
*[[Template:SugVoteBox]]<br />
*[[Template:SugVoteRules]]<br />
but I don't really mind if the template isn't edited into the first two pages, for reasons explained in the protections request.<br />
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Since this is mainly a technical matter, please do not put your name forward unless you have at least basic understanding of the technical basis of this case. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 20:28, 21 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Suggestions is the third most viewed page on the wiki and is a significant through-fare for wiki traffic(the others don't show up on popular pages because they're categories but they get a significant amount of views as well, enough that they would show up top 20 if they could). The fact that they mostly have "templated sigs", as you say, is actually that much ''more'' reason why space there ''is'' an issue, inclusion size problems would screw up the page and this template adds to the inclusion size needlessly.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:35, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll be willing to arbitrate on this matter as I'm a technically orientated person. I also have experience with the Wiki Software as well as CSS. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:48/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:I accept Jedaz. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:01, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I don't understand why Midianian thinks there is an arbitration case here. It is called a '''request''' not a demand. Should the sysop team not feel it is needed it won't be honored. If Cheese and Karek do not agree on what needs to be done with the request since they are the only two sysops that are involved they might need an arbitration (or discussion) but frankly, Midianian has no right to demand any action on this matter.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:51, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:This is the essence of arbitration, resolving edit disputes, which is exactly what this is. Just because Midianian has to request a sysop to change the page does not mean that Midianian is not an invested party, and thus has every right to request arbitration for resolving the edit dispute. I fail to see how you can not see that this is clearly an edit dispute. If the whole Sysop team disagrees with the request then no arbitration case could even get it changed (obviously). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">03:07/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::This isn't an "edit dispute" this is a functionality issue. Since Karek is a sysop and responsible for the upkeep of this wiki and the requested page to be edited is protected to only be edited by sysops then the everyday user has no expectation of getting the edit they want on the page. If the page was meant to be edited by anyone it wouldn't be locked. It's not like Midianian's request was ignored. Karek responded and decided that the current version was fine. Just because a user wants a certain edit on a page doesn't mean he should get it. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:18, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'd assume the page was protected to prevent vandalism and preserve its textual content, not its formatting. I'd have no expectation of getting the ''rules'' changed on that page through an edit request. On the other hand, getting something changed that ''isn't'' why the page was protected? Of course, as much as on any unprotected page. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:01, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And if Cheese disagreed with Karek he would have made his point in the discussion those two had on the Admin page. So it seems that none of the sysops disagree with Karek on this issue therefore the page won't be edited. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:21, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Just because someone doesn't disagree doesn't mean they agree either. Cheeze thought it was a reasonable request and grated it (even if he didn't feel strongly about it either way), so why not allow the two parties who are pushing their views to have it out in arbitration? Just because a page is protected doesn't mean that it shouldn't be changed if there are good enough reasons (and conversly it should stay the same if the reasons aren't good enough). I think there is enough grounds for an arbitration case to exist.<br />
:::I'm sure that there are sysops who don't care either way about it and would perfer to avoid any conflict. Saying nothing doesn't mean that you agree with a position either. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">03:46/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::No but, doing nothing because you know you don't know enough about it is far more telling than doing something with that same knowledge. You can't judge reasons if you don't even know what you're doing.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:52, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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What possible harm can an Arbies ruling on this matter cause if all directly involved have a good understanding of the dispute? If the page was protected to prevent textual alterations and vandalism rather than format changes and one sysop has already said it is an acceptable request then it does become an edit conflict (albiet a complex one) and were Karek to call SYSOP priviledge here it could be construed as misconduct if other sysops disagree with him. Sensible course then is obviously to let the interested parties make their case to an impartial arbitator with the technical knowledge to judge. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:21, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:I wouldn't say as much but, I also actually agree that it is subject to arbitration. Well, the suggestions page stuff is, the other two not so much as I can, and probably should, call SYSOP privilege on that and deny any change that is not necessary to the daily health and use of the page(as it's the auto-load), I also doubt Midianian would care overly much there because he's already said he's willing to concede at least that.<br /><br />That being said, I doubt there's much in the way of impartial arbitrators that I'd be willing to concede know enough code wise to be of use, I do think Jedaz knows enough. I'm not so sure that he hasn't already chosen his ruling in the matter, I'm also not going to put up with the whole both sides make an argument crap, it's already been done. I will point out that using Cheese's actions to justify the argument for doing it is ridiculous, even if he is a nice guy and tries to help out he has a history of performing administrative actions without first gathering all the knowledge needed to make those judgements well and correctly<small>(it's why I ''don't'' want him as 'crat actually)</small>, so stop it. With that I accept Jedaz, as the odds of any other users with the knowledge coming forward is slim to none.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:50, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Don't worry, I will be impartial and stick to the facts. I'll keep this case short and sweet. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:41/23/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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Ok, since this case is different then most other cases we'll go in the following way, both [[User:Midianian|Midianian]] and [[User:Karek|Karek]] will present a list of Pros for their side, and a list of cons for the other side of the disagreement. Once both lists have been completed I will rule as to which is more appropriate to use. I will also consider the arguments as linked to, as well as my own experience with the Wiki software and CSS. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:41/23/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
==[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]==<br />
===Pros of using the template===<br />
*If additional properties are required (eg. {{CodeInline|-ms-border-radius}}, if it gets put in before the CSS3 standard), only the template needs to be changed to include support for the property on the pages that use it.<br />
**Becomes more pronounced the more pages use the template.<br />
*If the radius needs to be changed, only one value needs has to be modified instead of having to update the value of every style individually.<br />
**Becomes more pronounced the more vendor specific styles are needed/used.<br />
*Helps in making a consistent look across the wiki, and ensuring that it's consistent across different browsers.<br />
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===Cons of using hard coded CSS===<br />
*If additional properties are required, all pages which use hard coded CSS corners have to be updated individually.<br />
*If the radius needs to be changed, the value of every vendor specific property must be modified individually.<br />
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==[[User:Karek|Karek]]==<br />
===Pros of using hard coded CSS===<br />
''Please enter the pros here in dot point format''<br />
===Cons of using the template===<br />
''Please enter the cons here in dot point format''<br />
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==Ruling==<br />
It looks like [[User:Karek|Karek]] has gone for a while, so I might as rule on this rather then drag it out further. I've got enough information to make my descision, and I'll explain my reasonining for the ruling in detail.<br />
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After considering what has been presented as well as what I have discovered with some research I have concluded that we should stay with the hard coded CSS. The reasons are as follows:<br />
*Using hard coded CSS does not put as much strain on the server compared to templates, although this is minimal anyway.<br />
**As mentioned above also, templated sigs pose a problem and as of such the nice borders would stop working once the sigs stop working as well.<br />
*The CSS definitions change slowly. In addition the browsers support for them change at roughly the same rate, it's not that difficult to update these as required for these pages. Also, changing the size of the rounded corners isn't something which I'ld imagine would happen too often on the pages listed.<br />
**It's also important to note that the pages listed are already well maintained, so by the time a new definition comes out, and or a browser supports it, we would have people updating the pages.<br />
So thats basically the crux of my decision. While the template is useful on pages that get changed reasonably often, or are ill maintained, it isn't useful on well maintained static pages due to standards and browser support changing so slowly. Any queries? If not I'll archive this within a week. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">06:21/30/10/2008</span>]]'''</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_10&diff=1302004UDWiki:Administration/Vandal Banning/Archive/2008 102008-10-24T08:44:52Z<p>Jedaz: /* User:DanceDanceRevolution */</p>
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===[[User:DanceDanceRevolution]]===<br />
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Posted a frivolous A/VB case that could have been just as easily resolved on my talk page. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 09:00, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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'''Not vandalism''' - a soft warning has been given, to '''all''' parties conserned, including you, bob. Please step away from the admin pages, now <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:02 24 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Does that include me? I was involved, after all - I mean I wouldn't want you to make a bad call or something.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 09:05, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ditto Nallan, does this also include me? Full list of all those 'soft warned' please. Also, I think you meant ''concerned''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:07, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::The list is 2 cases down... but I can extend it to you guys if you insist <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:22 24 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::Not until someone tells me what the fuck a soft warning is.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 09:26, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::No boxy, you posted one list and then in a separate VB case said ''all'' parties involved. The two are mutually exclusive, mainly because you as the ruling sysop are involved. Are you 'soft warning' yourself? Also, I don't think threatening users with the extension of warnings to include them is proper sysop conduct.<br />
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:::::Nallan, soft warnings don't exist at all in policy. They are a device used by rogue sysops such as Hagnat to subvert the A/VB system. I really thought we'd got over using these imaginary constructs, apparently not. There's no point in taking it to misconduct, due to the judges there. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:36, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Which is why we need someone that actually represents people the on the wiki who ''aren't'' all buttfucking each other, to be promoted to sysop.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 09:38, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::I guess you guys are screwed then; you've pretty much redefined the meaning of the word "circlejerk". --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 09:41, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Nah it still means the same thing ;) --{{User:Nallan/sig}} 09:42, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::I'm interested to know how we could have possibly changed it? Man we are pretty fucking powerful, we have control over the english language. FUCK YES.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 09:43, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Apparently cyberbob doesn't have that same control.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 09:44, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Wow, you really fail as to what a soft warning is. It's to let someone know that they are on the edge of what a sysop considers vandalism and that anything further will be considered vandalism. It's not a "device used by rogue sysops", but rather a way to let users know that the sysop is seriously considering their actions as border line vandalism. Unfortunatly they are treated as a joke since most sysops don't do anything beyond softwarning people. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">09:44/24/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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===[[User:Cyberbob240]]===<br />
I know its a shitstorm of Cyberbob vandal accusations, but I really couldn't see a reason for [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FDeletions&diff=1301919&oldid=1301918 this?] Legit explaination will immediately be followed with love and cuddles. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:51, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:If all you're after is an explanation a note on my talk page would have sufficed. This is extremely frivolous. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:54, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I don't think that counts as an explaination. I'll assume it should have been put on this page then? {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:57, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I did it for two reasons, one being the same as for all the other reverts. The other is that with the edited version of the request ZA put on the page the longer one is redundant. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:59, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
'''Not vandalism''' - this is part of the last case (not allowing the A/SD request to be moved to A/D) that has already been ruled on. Please take note of my soft warning below, DDR, it applies to you too <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:00 24 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[User:Cyberbob240]]===<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FVandal_Banning%2FArchive%2F2008_10&diff=1301868&oldid=1301866 Shitting up admin pages.] --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:19, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:You really want to go down that road? We could sit here reporting each other's edits of that nature all day. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:20, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Or you could stop vandalising =p {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:22, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
'''Soft warning''', and it applies to Bob, J3D, DDR and Sexy. The number of edit conflicts I've had to work through in the last half an hour here, trying to sort through your pages of trolling is ridiculous <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:58 24 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:And yet none of it is justified because the guilty goes unpunished. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 09:00, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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It's his case, he is allowed to comment as he likes. And are we really going down the soft warning route again? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:00, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Sexylegsread]]===<br />
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If [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FSpeedy_Deletions%2FArchive%2FOctober-2008&diff=1301851&oldid=1301849 this] doesn't count as spamming admin pages I don't know what does. That image is breaking tables. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:14, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FSpeedy_Deletions%2FArchive%2FOctober-2008&diff=1301859&oldid=1301858 More.] --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:17, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I found it a perfectly legitimate way of ending an argument '''that would have continued''' to break everything anyway. It is ironic that he needed to bring out that image to actually stop the argument between me and CF. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:19, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::lol butthurt--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 08:20, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Cancer, I really, really should have known. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:20, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Sorry to disappoint guys, but it isn't mine. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:21, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::lololol, totally butthurt. Also, thankyou to whoever resized my images, I r noob with interweb stuff--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 08:25, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
'''Vandalism''' - a legitimate way to end the argument would be to stop posting, or at least take it to a talk page. Spamming main admin pages with huge images isn't on <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:42 24 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:"Also, thankyou to whoever resized my images, I r noob with interweb stuff" - sexylegsread. The images were relevant, the size was not. He didn't know how to resize them and didn't make them big again when they were resized. Hardly bad faith...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:44, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::No, I honestly didn't know how to resize, or how big they were before I posted them, then it got caught up in the shit storm.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 08:44, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::How long have you been around on the wiki for again? Not an excuse after so long, sorry. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:45, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::It is my excuse, its the first time I have uploaded an image that wasn't already prepared for me.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 08:46, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Coming from the guy who can't read a/sd policy after over 2 years?? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:47, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Coming from the guy who failed as a sysop cause of his stoooopid handling of wiki policy? {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:49, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::I can read it. I figured that the obvious bad faith in which you guys made those votes rendered it null and void. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:49, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::If that's your excuse you probably should report everyone who voted for vandalism. I'm sure [[User:Jen]] will be interested to hear what you have to say.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:50, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::I'd love to except I know it would be pointless (being too subjective). As for Jen, ''had'' they actually gone ahead and voted that wouldn't have been bad faith as they are an uninvolved party. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:53, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::He shouldn't have put them there, if he didn't know how to do it properly. And frankly, the nature of the images wasn't relevant to the case at all. It was trolling nonsense <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:51 24 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::Ah yes, the "trolling not allowed" policy. You're a repository of wiki lore, did you know that box-y?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 08:58, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::No, wasn't trolling, Cyberbob said he didn't have myspace, and my quick googling proved him wrong. It ended that particular conversation.<br />
::::You're saying that if I didn't know how to do it properly, I shouldn't have done it at all? Thats not fair, you get to pose as a Sysop every day!:(--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 09:12, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::If you want to discuss someones god damn myspace page, do it on their talk page, especially if it involves putting up huge images. Now GTFO this page with this worthless discussion <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:20 24 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::I told you sirsysop that I didn't know how to resize them, otherwise I would have. Assume good faith. It was a visual post, I used an image instead of text. This isn't worthless I am telling you that I don't think I have committed vandalism. You don't need to get all agro when someone says your a shit sysop, just prove them wrong, be a good sysop. I'll be waiting.....for a very long time.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 09:25, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::The conversation isn't over, as that myspace is not mine. Thought you might like to know. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 09:14, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::It is over as far as I am concerned, I believe it is yours, and I wont be swayed otherwise.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 09:15, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Why does it matter? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 09:17, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::It doesn't, end of.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 09:17, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::For something that doesn't matter you sure seem pretty determined to press your side of the argument. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 09:19, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
...look who's talking...just give up, I think its yourspace, you think it isn't. Difference of opinion. No need to continue this.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 09:25, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Insists on removing the requests for the Speedy Deletion of the [[Cyberfaggot]] and [[Cyberbob240]] pages from A/SD despite there being absolutely no reason to - subjective or otherwise. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:10, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:J3D has done nothing but revert. This may have been a good faith mistake as a consequence of his participation in current edit war. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:13, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I missed the part where reverting vandalism in it's entirety wasn't a reason for removing things from pages.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:15, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Neither of those two requests are involved in that which you are trying to paint as vandalism. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:16, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Please learn to read, it'd save us all repeating ourselves. Until then, let me help you: I reverted edits that included vandalism. If you don't want stuff moved, please don't incorporate it in your vandalism sprees.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:18, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::It's your responsibility to learn how to edit properly, not mine. Laziness is no excuse. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:19, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Reverting vandalism is my responsibility, i did that Now shh shh and wait for the sysops to arrive.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:21, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::In your attempt to revert "vandalism" you oh-so-ironically committed actual vandalism of your own. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:22, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::'''Good''' faith; Learn it, he had it, you have none. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:31, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Good faith is but a matter of perspective. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:32, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Indeed. And your perspective is wrong.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 08:34, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::You clearly don't know how closely the words "perspective" and "subjectivity" go hand in hand. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:36, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
'''Not vandalism''' - but getting close. I'm going with the "didn't notice" excuse during an edit war. Be careful, J3D <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:38 24 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Wow i'm impressed! Correct! Gotta be the first time in, what, a month? Since you probably didn't mean it i'll let you change your decision and rule based on your personal opinions of users.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:40, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Cyberbob240]]===<br />
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continually and deliberately ignoring [[A/SD]] policy that clearly states "A Speedy Deletion may be circumvented by a single vote of Keep under the request. " Several such keep votes have been made, and 2 seperate users tried to move the pages in question from a/sd to a/d. Despite being warned of a/vb action and having his attention directed to such policy Cyberbob decided to continue reverting the edits. In addition to this he is continually placing a speedy delete template on the pages up for deletion, despite being fully aware they are no longer up for speedy deletion. I will continue to revert until a sysop arrives.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:03, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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As will I. Voting Keep is clearly in bad faith violation of SD Criterion 9. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:04, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Speedy_Deletions/Archive/October-2008&diff=prev&oldid=1301808 Proof] of moving the contents back. If that is needed of course. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:07, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Cyberbob's continued vandalism, over 10 acts so far should result in more than just a single escalation on a/vd as he shows no desire to go with reason, general consensus of users online OR policy and as an ex-sysop, should know better.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:08, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fail. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:18, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::What, the vandalism or your defense? {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:21, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
'''Not vandalism''' - the redirects obviously do qualify for speedydeletion, and there was no valid reason to vote keep on them, other than DDR not wanting the rules that apply to everyone else to apply to him. The case is supposed to be moved by a system operator, by the rules, so yeah, it should stay on A/SD until revived by a sysop. However the speedydeletion nomination probably has to go to A/D, seeing as there is a keep vote on it. I'll have a look later <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:33 24 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:winnar --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:34, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Concurance. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:43, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Shakey60]]===<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Cyberfaggot&diff=prev&oldid=1301753 This] more or less speaks for itself. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 07:15, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I always just assumed you created it =] {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 07:19, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::He just made it. I don't know how you would have had time to "always assume" anything. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 07:30, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Also, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:J3D&curid=54461&diff=1301762&oldid=1295977 this]. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 07:30, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::Well, CF, I didn't have the time to check the history, ya dig? I just saw it on the RC and had a little giggle. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 07:31, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
'''Warned''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:22 24 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[User:Rober e killer]]===<br />
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'''Warned''' [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Department_of_Emergency_Management&curid=5469&diff=1300647&oldid=1298366] --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:45, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:McWaffle]]===<br />
{{vndl|McWaffle}}<br />
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Created [[Suggestion:20081022_Organ_Donor|this suggestion]]. His comments included ''"honestly I just thought it was funny"'' and in response to a vote of Humourous ''"glad someone liked it anyway ;)"''. Clearly intended as a humourous suggestion. <br />
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Adding a humourous suggestion to the main system is vandalism as defined by point 10 of the suggestions guidelines. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:40, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:It was borderline. I left a note on his talk page about it. '''Not Vandalism'''.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:38, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Gamestriker4]]===<br />
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I'm all for a bit of friendly sandbox/sandpit trolling but [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Sandpit&diff=1300108&oldid=1297186 this edit] really fucked up the page. It's not his first massively page breaking edit to the page and/or sandbox either.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:04, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''Meh''' - it's the sandpit, a place for testing shitz, he's testing out how annoying he can be... and succeeding. Better there, than anywhere else. I suggest you stop using the sandboxes/sandpits as your private chat/advertising rooms if you don't like people experimenting in the middle of your conversations <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:14 22 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Sigh you are predictable, policy out the window for personal vendettas. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:41, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I don't do vendettas, but it looks like you're working on getting another one going again. The whole point of sandboxes is so that people can do stuff that would get them warned if they stuffed it up elsewhere. There are limits (pron links and what-not), but this doesn't reach it for me <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:57 22 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::Repeated intentional breaking of the page doesn't reach it for you? Hmmm, each to his own i guess. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:06, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::You might try Arbitration. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 09:14, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::I use this page, and when I clicked the link it caused srs lag on my end. How inconvenient, for me a regular user :(. I hope my elected sysops do something about this annoyance.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 09:32, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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You see, I always thought 'bad faith' was designated as an edit made with the clear intent to not improve the wiki. Can these edits to a community page in any way be seen as 'good faith'? Is this person repeatedly testing things so that he can improve his wiki coding and be constructive elsewhere in the community? If this cannot be seen as 'good faith' in any way the a vandalism ruling should result. Bad faith = vandalism. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:58, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fail. For one, the page in question is not a community page. For two, this case is too subjective to be subject to A/VB. Like I said to the guy who actually made the case - Arbitration is where this should be taken.--[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:34, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::It isn't under anyones userspace?--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 10:37, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::No, but as a sandpit it can't really be placed in the same category as something like Suggestions. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:58, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::True, but there should still be boundaries on pages like that, perhaps not as stringent as we'd have on suggestions. porn links for example as boxy said, repeated page breaking (imho) would be another.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:11, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::This is ''exactly'' the sort of discussion that would be best had in an Arbitration case. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 12:32, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::No, it's not. Disputes over a/vb aren't arbies material (see countless past examples). At least hold out for a few more sysops views. If it's a unanimous '''no''' i'll drop it, if it's not, then boxys may have to accept he's on a vendetta :P --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:34, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::This may be a [[Amusing Locations in Malton/Sandpit|more suitable location]] for your private chat page? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:51 22 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::::That's right boxy, head in the sand. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:53, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::You should replace {{tl|Sandpitwarning}} with {{tl|ALiMNav}} though, to make it clear that you get to say what should, and what should npt be on '''your''' pages <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:54 22 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::::::'''WARNING, AGENDA ALERT, AGENDA ALERT..UNFIT 'CRAT IN THE VICINITY'''--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 12:56, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::That'd be bitter ex-crat. Seriously boxy, do you have the ability to look at this even slightly objectively? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:01, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::You guys make me lol. Not in a good way, though. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 13:07, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::Cool story bro--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 13:10, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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'''Not Vandalism''' - Oh my people, it's a sandbox. People are pointed to these things to make test edits or fool around. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:28, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Did you scroll down and look at the edit? Also, it's a sandPIT :P--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 05:06, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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'''Not Vandalism''' this time. Note left on his talk page explaining that perhaps he should make his own sandpit. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:41, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Ottotorrens]]===<br />
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Oh well look at that, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ABlanemcc&diff=1295569&oldid=1294776 whoops?]--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 22:27, 20 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Was already warned for that. [[#Ottotorrens|See below]]. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:31, 20 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::its a different vandalism though... This has nothing to do with Sonny... or am I missing something...--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 22:43, 20 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Check the link in boxy's ruling. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:48, 20 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::oh... lulz--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 01:48, 21 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Tomer]]===<br />
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Wiped the page [[BEGINNERS MSF FORCE]] as seen [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=BEGINNERS_MSF_FORCE&diff=1299050&oldid=977341 here].--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 05:39, 20 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''Not vandalism''' - it looks like it's his page, it's just that there's been a history wipe <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 05:44 20 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[User:Fluffy]]===<br />
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Serial spammer with no valuable contribs:<br />
*[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Funt_Solo&diff=prev&oldid=1298601 nonsense]<br />
*[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Rosslessness&diff=prev&oldid=1298603 nonsense]<br />
*[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Asheets&diff=prev&oldid=1298604 nonsense]<br />
etc. etc.<br />
--<span style="font-size:90%">[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]]</span> <sup style="font-size:70%">[[Mod_Conspiracy|QT]]</sup> [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|18px]] 17:51, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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'''Gone'''. Again. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:52, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:WOOT]]===<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:WOOT&curid=58382&diff=1298205&oldid=1298200 Impersonation.] --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 05:24, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:OH SHI- *This hip bopper just got sent to the cell ya dig?*--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 05:49, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
'''Warned''' - please go back on the medication, WOOT :P <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:39 19 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:I lost my pills... all of them... ;_; --{{User:WOOT/sig}} 17:51, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Smackelbap]]===<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASuper_Six_One&diff=1297219&oldid=1297213 looks] like vandalism to me...--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 00:19, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh, and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=The_Super_Six%27es&diff=1297227&oldid=1266311 this,] what a fag--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 00:23, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::'''Permabanned'''. Only one contributive edit which he then undid. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:25, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Ah, so, how's little Timmy doing? You ever tell AHLG that I'm the father?--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 00:42, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Imthatguy]]===<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=The_Abandoned&curid=2846&diff=1297131&oldid=1296728 Vandalism] --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 21:47, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''Not vandalism''' - looks like a newbie mistake, commenting on the main page, rather than the talk page. I've left him a note about where to leave any comments <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 01:09 18 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Ottotorrens===<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Ottotorrens&curid=65625&diff=1295482&oldid=1295479&rcid=1323459 Pasting Sonny's talk page this time.] -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''24hr ban''' for the above edit, which is trolling impersonation, and also for [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Blanemcc&diff=prev&oldid=1295569 this edit] which was immediately undone by the page owner <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:41 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[User:ScouterTX]]===<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AScouterTX&diff=1295572&oldid=1295570 this] looks like impersonation to me.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 20:32, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:It is indeed. '''Warned''' -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:36, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Ottotorrens]]===<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASaromu&diff=1294787&oldid=1291166 Here] --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 00:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:And isn't [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AOttotorrens&diff=1294791&oldid=1261255 this] impersonation? --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 00:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
'''Warned''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:28 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[User:Luckydogpsycho]]===<br />
{{vndl|Luckydogpsycho}}<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Necrotizing_Fascist&diff=prev&oldid=1293707 Created] a page for a person he does not like in game, as seen [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Anti-zombie_squad&diff=prev&oldid=1292708 here] and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Luckydogpsycho&diff=prev&oldid=1292703 here]. Bad faith. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:20, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:If anyone cares, this vandalism was turned into a [[Necrotizing Fascist|page]].--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 03:11, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Warned [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:46, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Secruss]]===<br />
{{vndl|Secruss}}<br />
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Blanking of [[Talk:Crusade '08]] page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ACrusade_%2708&diff=1290690&oldid=1289043 '''here'''] and again [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ACrusade_%2708&diff=1293422&oldid=1292770 '''here'''], because he thinks disagreement is trolling. --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 22:52, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Per [[UDWiki:Specific Case Editing Guidelines|Specific Case Editing Guidelines]], users & groups do indeed have the right to remove content from their talk pages, although it is considered poor form to do so without creating an archive. You are always free to post your comments on a page of your own. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 05:21, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Heh, I didn't know that --[[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]] 20:28, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
'''Not vandalism''', and if you, [[User:Silisquish|Silisquish]], restore those bits that [[User:Secruss|Secruss]] has removed again I will report you for vandalism yourself. Groups have special ownership rights on their own pages, and the associated talk pages. They can remove conversations that they don't want there <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 08:28 13 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[User:Leon365]]===<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Columbine_Kids&action=history Check This] entire history with his edits. He just added some lines of insults. Like [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AColumbine_Kids&diff=1291568&oldid=1283961 Here] and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AColumbine_Kids&diff=1291580&oldid=1283961 Here].--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:37, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''Warned''' - <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 03:10 11 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[User:DCC]]===<br />
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Vandalism on my user page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3AStephen_Colbert_DFA&diff=1289841&oldid=1230311 here] And again [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3AStephen_Colbert_DFA&diff=1289857&oldid=1289841 here]and again [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Stephen_Colbert_DFA&curid=66237&diff=1289864&oldid=1289857 here] {{unsigned|Stephen Colbert DFA|05:35, October 9, 2008}}<br />
:Are you serious? --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 06:18, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ok, let's take this to the talk page, fellows. I'm pretty sure I'm going to vote '''Not Vandalism''' on this, but you two seem to need to talk this out. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 07:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Yep, '''not vandalism''', he just missed your talk page. Stoopit doesn't equal bad faith <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:15 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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'''Not vandalism''' - As Boxy. Tabbed browsing is convenient but does have it's drawbacks. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:36, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Reader5]]===<br />
{{vndl|Reader5}}<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2007_06&curid=52556&diff=1289397&oldid=851324 Removal of a vandal case]. No idea what he was hoping to achieve. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 17:36, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''Warned''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:41 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[User:Schizoidgull]]===<br />
{{vndl|Schizoidgull}}<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Contributions/Schizoid Sockpuppet] to evade ban. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:50, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Banned the sock. I call a '''Permaban Vote'''. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:53, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::'''Yep''' - Continues to evade bans despite having 3 socks killed in past hour or so. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:53, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Wait up, that sock puppet's contributions are from the same time the last one was banned, so the puppet gets banned, but not an escalation. And when you ban someone who's using sock puppets, please make sure you block the IP addy for the same period, which should have stopped this rot 2 cases ago <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:37 8 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[User:Cyberbob240]]===<br />
{{vndl|Cyberbob240}}<br />
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I have asked cyberbob twice to cease posting exclusively to troll on my misconduct case, as you can see<br />
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FMisconduct&diff=1288723&oldid=1288648 here], he has not done so. (My requests can be found in the second deep set of indents [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Header_to_break_discussion_into_managable_chunks|here]]. Trolling is exclusively bad faith, FYI. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 23:24, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:You've been warned about spamming admin pages several times, bob. That's a '''48 hour ban'''. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:26, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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'''Overturned the ban''' since the escalation was to such a level that punishment would be a ban it is only fitting that this gets a sysop vote. Not to mention that the "offense" is so "open to interpretation" that a discussion is clearly needed on what his exact "crime" is. <br />
'''Not Vandalism''' since he has every right to post there. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:26, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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'''<s>Vandalism</s>''' - You have been told to stop this crap, many, many times. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:39, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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If I was trolling, you should go and bring cases against like three quarters of the people posting in that "We have found a witch, may we burn it?" section. Whoops, damn, I forgot - you only bring cases against people that disagree with you. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 21:41, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Wouldn't that be just about the entire user base of the wiki? :/ I don't think 200kb would be enough room, we'd need to have pages like: UDWiki:Administration/Vandal Banning/Archive/2008 10/Grimdler's List/Page 4 of 67 -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:46, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Oh, I don't think that would be much of a problem for Grim. If there's one thing he has lots of it's free time. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:29, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Bleh. Next!--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:03, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Schizoidgull]]===<br />
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[[Special:Contributions/Schizoidgully13|This ID]] circumvents a week ban. Persistent vandal, request perma due to repeated ban evasion. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:17, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Extended to '''1 month ban'''. Next one gets the Permavote. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:21, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Sweet. If he gets perma then I'm adding him to the list on the [[Witch Burners]]. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:27, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Schizoidgull]]===<br />
{{vndl|Schizoidgull}}<br />
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Ban Evasion using [[Special:Contributions/Schizoidgully|this account]]. Ban extended to '''1 week'''. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Schizoidgull]]===<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion:20081007_Suggestion_Dupe_Change&diff=prev&oldid=1288058 Intentionally] putting a [[Suggestion:20081007 Suggestion Dupe Change|suggestion policy]] in the main suggestion system. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 07:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Well, he's already serving a 48hr ban, so while I'm inclined to rule this as vandalism, I'd include it in the case below (ie. no A/VD escalation beyond what has already been applied), but will remove the spammy suggestion <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:17 7 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[User:Schizoidgull]]===<br />
{{vndl|Schizoidgull}}<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASaromu&diff=1288042&oldid=1276963 Vandalized] again. le sigh. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 01:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Some [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Saromu&curid=2817&diff=1288047&oldid=1288046 more] --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 01:45, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASaromu&diff=1288054&oldid=1288048 More] after I asked him on his talk page to stop. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:05, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Kolechovski&diff=prev&oldid=1288036 Another] he did to someone else earlier today. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:07, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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'''48 hour block''' --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:12, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Shotgun]]===<br />
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Here's a case of [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ADangerReport%2FFort_Creedy&diff=1287279&oldid=1284145 impersonation, and vandalism] as he's just making shit up that doesn't reflect the in-game reality, as well as altering someone else's post and trying to disguise it as if a user called "Monkeh" did the edits. Also, check his contribs, where he's edit warring on the [[Fort Perryn]] page with similar nonsense. As it's serial trolling and shitting up of the wiki, I came straight here rather than try diplomacy. Some people just ''are'' vandals (and besides, a guy called Lord Nightmare has tried asking him to stop on the Perryn edit war). --<span style="font-size:90%">[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]]</span> <sup style="font-size:70%">[[Mod_Conspiracy|QT]]</sup> [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|18px]] 20:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Some examples [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Fort_Perryn&diff=prev&oldid=1285788], [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Fort_Perryn&diff=prev&oldid=1286107], [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Fort_Perryn&diff=prev&oldid=1286109], [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Radio/Frequency_List&diff=prev&oldid=1287290] and spreading false information. No desirable edits therefore, '''blocked.'''--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:42, 6 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Obsdark]]===<br />
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Soft warning given to Obsdark for deleting comments (poorly) off Talk:Suggestions. Remember kids, just because you don't agree with a poster that doesn't mean you can delete their comments off public pages. (The T:S page history is a nightmare, but he deleted a DCC post and placed ranting nonsense over it.) Just posting for informational reasons. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 01:05, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Since when did deleting comments merit a mere soft warning? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 01:07, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Anyone is free to give unofficial warnings rather than bring a VB case here, if they feel that is a better way to deal with the situation. Saying that you've done it here is counterproductive. Please don't <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:57 5 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Nubis is a pansy ass and worries that if he comes down hard "defending" a fellow goon people will scream favoritism. He's a fucking moron.--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 02:51, 6 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[User:Happykook]]===<br />
{{vndl|Happykook}}<br />
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[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Giddings_Mall&diff=prev&oldid=1285700 This edit]. Removing a signed comment from a talk page without reason. Given Happykook's history with me, this is clearly targeted and therefore a bad faith edit to remove my comment from a community talk page. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:55, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''Not Vandalism''' - Take it up with him instead of bringing it here. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 13:26, 4 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I point all readers to the above case and this one to compare and contrast. Both regarding removals from community talk pages, however one results in a soft warning (in which the sysop in question clearly states it would be a full warning if the case was brought here) and the other where it's ruled not vandalism and the ruling sysop recommends further contact with the vandal in order to promote more wiki drama. A/VB, when you absolutely positively have to flip a coin for any decision, accept no substitutes. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:17, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::This is why the syops need to decide, be a dick to everyone (Grim), or be kind and helpful to everyone (AHLG). Not stuck in the middle, giving out "soft warnings" to some, and "LOLBANz" to others based on who they are. And how in the fuck is this petty? He removed his whole comment...--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 17:23, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''Not Vandalism''' - very petty reporting from Iscariot, yet again. It was a purely coincidental comment about wiki maintenance that any decent wiki contributor should be fine with it being removed once it had served it's purpose (keeping the section from being re-inserted on the main Mall page). However I see no reason why the comment was reinserted by [[User:Krazy_Monkey|Cheese]] if there was already a ruling of not vandalism, as it did nothing but up the drama level on the page <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:54 5 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[User:Schizoidgull]]===<br />
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'''Blocked''' for a day. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion%3A20080925_Barricade_Instability&diff=1284611&oldid=1284414 More vandalism] --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:21, 1 October 2008 (BST)</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Boxy&diff=1301962User talk:Boxy2008-10-24T07:59:08Z<p>Jedaz: /* A/D */</p>
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==New Stuff==<br />
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===A/VD===<br />
Plz to be striking my escalation? It's been well over a month and I've made 250 edits since then. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:51, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===My escalation===<br />
I can tell you this, I guarantee you I have no idea how to deal with images, it was the first time I have uploaded an image that wasn't already resized for me by someone else.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 08:49, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===A/D===<br />
Can you please protect it for the short term. CB shows no desire to let the pages be moved there as policy dictates.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:24, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Yes, please do. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:25, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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How about every one of you pricks stops edit conflicting me, now. And I'll try to sort through your fucking crap <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:26 24 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Fire away. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:27, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::lol, you sure like licking boxyanus--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 08:28, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:A good way to prevent edit conflicts is an hour long ban of the feuding parties (if they don't stop after being told), it gives them time to cool down, and time for you to sort through the mess. Well thats my 2c. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">08:29/24/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::Oh so tempting :) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:35 24 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::thats fucking insightful...--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 08:30, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Right, because that worked out ''so'' well for the last guy that tried it. Do you remember? Also, I believe the edit warring is over. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:32, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I can't remember that, links please? (looks like the edit warring has just moved pages) - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">08:59/24/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::<big><big><big>YOUR [[2C]]!?!?!??!! </big></big></big> Sorry, but i fucking couldn't resist.... --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:33, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Your comments on the Gamestriker4 case===<br />
I just wanted to say that I feel that was a bit out of line. Regardless of your own personal opinions, your position should not be compromised by what you think of one user and his associates. This is no way coming on here to pick a fight, just dropping you a line in hope that you re-read over what you have written and realize that the Vandal banning page is no place for a SysOp to sledge a user like that. Personal opinions are fine, and I could see why you would have them against Jed, but the whole "aLiM nAzI" thing is just not on really.<br />
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That case had nothing to do with personal ownership of the page, he never claimed that, and as a Sysop you should not immediately jump to those conclusions. You are more or less showing that every case that Jed is involved in, you are going to reduce it to some slanging match over the way they treat pages that they created. Your position requires you to be objective, and you could not even do that when it came to a simple vandal case.<br />
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Whether or not ALiM or its offspring are your cup of tea is irrelevant, as it means something to some users of this Wiki and you should respect that.<br />
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Please, don't take this as some sort of attack, just re-read it and consider what your actually saying next time. It is just that the more I read it, the more I feel as if it is a little out of line, that's all.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 13:49, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:lol butthurt --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 13:53, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::cool story bro--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 13:57, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::i know bra --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:16, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===User contributions===<br />
As I peruse the wiki, I often read the A/VB page to just see who's causing mischief. I noted that the person known as Woot has been posting nonsense on that page. So, after taking a look at his or her contributions lately, they are almost exclusively gibberish posted to various talk pages in an obvious effort to be a troll. <br />
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Is there a policy that applies to that sort of nonsense? I wasn't able to find one. In general I think a bad faith case probably applies to trolls.<br />
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your thoughts? --[[User:Stephen Colbert DFA|Stephen Colbert DFA]] 20:04, 21 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Insanity is his thing... but generally he is a helpful member of the community, if given a chance, for example, this [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Tomer&diff=prev&oldid=1299328 edit]. Trolling would need to be a whole lot more blatant than WOOT's contributions, which seem to be more playful than anything. But no, there is no trolling policy, and it would be extremely hard to write one, given the totally subjective nature of "what is trolling?" <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:07 22 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::<big><big><big><big>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TROLLING!!!</big></big></big></big>--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:42, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Also; '''''There is no Cabal.'''''--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 21:04, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::I heartily concur.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:22, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Great Fire ambiguity===<br />
Hey as one of the wikizens around here that has a background with ALiM projects that goes back before the purge, we'd greatly appreciate if you went [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Cyberbob240_vs._2_Cool|here]] and testified. We are asking for witnesses who can confirm the fact that the page, [[Great Fire of 1912]] was indeed created by and largely moderated by myself and [[User:J3D]]. The task of claiming our creation over the page is complicated by the fact that no history is available to back up our claim due to the history purge. Thanks for you time.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 08:12, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Colloquialisms===<br />
It is neutral tone, the nav bar really recognises the people who have put effort into making the page and linking to other relevant projects that might interest readers. cbf repeating, see cyberbobs talk.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:27, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:#The nav bar is [[Template:ALiMNav|ugly]] and intrusive,<br />
:#The nav bar is bloody ugly and intrusive, and doesn't fit the overall style of general community pages,<br />
:#If you want to make a [[Guide:Colloquialisms|guide]], and put it in the guide namespace, please try to make it look professional,<br />
:#I'm getting real sick of the constant spam and cross-promoting being done by the [[2 Cool]] crew to get page hits up on their "''quality projects''".<br />
:Just because your [[2 Cool|group]] helped make those pages, doesn't mean that you should be allowed to spam adverts to your group page, and other, often totally unrelated, pages you created <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 05:58 11 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::It's a guide for ''colloquialisms'', by it's very nature it is going to be somewhat unprofessional hence stuff like the picture and the text adds to the character of the page. I think the ALiMnav template is quite beautiful, it got a tad out of hand with the add for the ALiM party but since that is removed it's back to it's old beautiful self. We are thinking of redesigning it to make it more streamlined (wider and not so tall) but yeah, that won't be until november or so. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:08, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You think that a nav bar that is baby shit yellow, over half a page wide, and 11 lines high isn't out of hand at the moment? Please? Your nav bar screams "look at me, look at me!". It's a bloody advert <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 06:21 11 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::Would a soft, sky blue suffice?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 06:24, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::A 1x1x1 one should look good <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 06:26 11 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::I think that may be a little impractical...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 06:27, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::We did have a community discussion about the implementation of the navbar, shame you are opposed to democratic process or you could have joined us...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:29, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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hum... the 2 cool navbar is sooo awesome :D i think i am going to copy it and add it to all pages i helped create and improve... lemmesee... the Suburb page, the suburb template, Arbitration, Policy Discussion, the building danger reports, the main page... all these and many others will advertise me, so everybody knows how awesome i am :D --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:57, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:lolz <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:07 13 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::We already know hagnat, and they have to be pages you (or your group) singled handedly sculpted from nothingness fyi, or else it's not really [[2C]], ya dig? Feel free to borrow our awesome navbar for any purpose though.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Willfully ignoring his point, by pretending to take his sarcasm at face value, doesn't change the fact that what you are doing with these pages you create is extremely petty. Demanding to be acknowledged, in such an obnoxious way, as the creator is pathetic. Look at the [[MIC]], Hagnat created that from scratch. The closest thing that I see to your garish navbar is a single category linking to [[:Category:Style Up!]].<br />
:::MIC = Classy <br />
:::ALiM = [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FSpeedy_Deletions%2FArchive%2FOctober-2008&diff=1294396&oldid=1294395 Obnoxious] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:17 14 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::There is one key difference here you are willfully ignoring, ALiM etc pages are fictional lulz, MIC etc are informative pages and are not the place for links to other stuff you've created. Unless of course the other stuff you've created is somehow relevant, in which case go for it! What we do is more comparable to groups listing their allies in a section of their page.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::What? Caiger Mall isn't just as fictional as the great fire? :P<br />
:::::If you want to claim your pages as fictional, non-informative pages, then perhaps you should keep them totally separate from the "factual" side of the wiki, and not implant links to them into suburb, locations and other informative pages?<br />
:::::And no, I don't expect you to do that, I just expect you to concede that there is no clear "fictional" "factual" divide, and that you are placing many of those pages into the community section of the wiki, regardless of the clearly humourous intent in a lot of them.<br />
:::::The [[colloquialisms]] page (the topic under discussion, lolz) is clearly meant to be mostly an informative page, explaining abbreviations, btw. Extremely petty to remove it from the main namespace, and place it in your own private area simply to control it's styling so that you can keep your advertising banner on it.<br />
:::::Perhaps I'll edit the redirect so that it has all the content, without obnoxious banner and group ownership problems? Good idea, wat? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:42 14 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::and waste kevan's precious server space?? I think not...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:55, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::if pages created by ALiM are ''fictional'' and owned by 2 Cool, then [[Template:Amusing Location|this template]] shouldn't have been added to all locations, as its merely advertising your group. There was a similar issue months ago with Dunell Hills Police Dept. overcategorization of buildings, and it was shot dead by The Dead (lol) and with the support of many sysops (myself included). ALiM should either turn into public domain, with a nice and unobtrusive template on its pages, or have all advertise of the ''group'' removed from building, suburb and other public domain pages. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 14:14, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===No longer a 'crat===<br />
Just wanted to say thanks for your work as a 'crat. I know that, ostensibly, it's only supposed to be the power to promote a user to sysop status, but in practise, I think that the 'crat badge is treated in and of itself as a symbol of authority, which makes the bearer almost as much (if not more) of a target than the big K himself, as regards the attraction of drama, criticism and requests for difficult judgement calls. I think you dealt with that pressure admirably. (Now, I'll take my tongue out of your arse so that you can sit down.) --<span style="font-size:90%">[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]]</span> <sup style="font-size:70%">[[Mod_Conspiracy|QT]]</sup> [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|18px]] 20:13, 8 October 2008 (BST) <br />
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===A/VB===<br />
Hey, since the new pre-archive system thingy came in the talk pages don't line up properly. The cyberbob stuff needs to be moved to the new talk page. I was gonna do it but i thought maybe it's an issue with the system (i don't fully understand the whole thing) so yeah, thought i'd let you know. If it relies on the first person doing it manually maybe a small instruction should be placed on the page or something? Also i came here coz i had a feeling karek did it, but karek is gone...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 14:14, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Misconduct===<br />
To make this as fair and equitable as possible, please vote on the decision being rendered [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Final_Ruling|here]]. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:58, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Good god, man, learn to wiki <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:08 7 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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Can you please archive the ruled out misconduct cases ? People are starting to troll on grim earlier one. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 12:59, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===why hello thar===<br />
sarp --[[User:Cyberbob240|brb, church]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[CGR]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 10:21, 26 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Where's ya bin, Bob? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:57 26 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::school and shit --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 12:44, 26 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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===help===<br />
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I seem to have broken talk:suggestions formatting. I have no idea how and am scared to try fix it in case i make things worse! If you are first on line could you take a look? Thanks...--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:44, 25 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I've fixed it for now, by moving a huge chunk of the page to the [[Talk:Suggestions/Overflow1|overflow]] page. That page requires regular cleaning out of old, dead, suggestions discussion to avoid the problem <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 15:02 25 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Error?===<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1270525&oldid=1270524<br />
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The page wont show up, and the talk pages hub shows The 5th of November "Original's" talk page. Care to... help? Thanks. --<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span></font><sup> [[User_talk:Haliman111|T]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 21:09, 10 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Looks like it only affects a couple of edits you made around the same time. Perhaps you just picked the wrong time, while an upgrade was happening (perhaps the recent deletion of the older diff comparisons)? If it doesn't happen again, and your page is fixed now, I wouldn't worry about it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:46 11 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Misunderstood!===<br />
Hey Boxy, I appologize about getting all pissy at you. I thought you may have deleted my stuff but you only moved it to our group page and made it better for us. Please accept my appology. I jumped to conclusions way too quickly.<br />
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Thanks for the help.<br />
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Im confused about how to get the Group link to work on our page. Is there an easier way to do it? Im still learning and Im trying to teach my brother and my cousin .-. [[User:SpacemanSpiffReturns|SpacemanSpiffReturns]] 06:53, August 19, 2008<br />
:No problem, I'll give you some more tips on your talk page <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 09:43 19 August 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[A/SD]]===<br />
Dunno what you did but it fucked up the page. Unclosed <> thingys i guess. Anyway i undid it so you might wanna redo whatever it was you were doing.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:54, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Woops, I cut Karek's sig in half when I moved it down. Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 04:05 19 August 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Where were you?===<br />
Simple question. Where were you? So much Drama over the J3D bid. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:18, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Drama? Drama? I saw no such thing...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:38, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Awww, you love it. Anyway, I lost my internet for a week or so. What else, of great importance, did I miss? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 14:54 7 August 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::The soft warning dead horse is being beaten. Again. And i thought we had it well and truly jellied. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 15:27, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You seem to be the only one to use it... we should just warn people on their talk pages, or the AVB talk page... as long as they obviously got the message, they can be referred back to just as well as a pseudo-official A/VB case which only serves to ramp up the drama level <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:18 7 August 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::Yeah what was the end verdict? Keep 'em off A/VB and if you want to let sysops know you can use other channels (Discussion page was suggested) ?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:02, 8 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Suver===<br />
Finally I post there [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Suver|here]]. Sorry for the time and thanks for the attention. --[[User:Standzs|Standzs]] 15:02, 31 July 2008.<br />
:OK, thanks. All that has been moved to the archives already, but it seems that everything worked out without any unwarranted warnings or whatever <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:05 7 August 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Deletions===<br />
Are these all scheduled deletions, or do they need a request? [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special:Unusedimages&limit=250&offset=0]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:54, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Not if they are over a month old, we normally don't do them regularly so that images don't get dropped immediately before they can get used, they do get purged semi-regularly though.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:58, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::So the ones from 2006 should just have gone then? Cheers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:28, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Whenever a page is deleted, many of the images that were on it appear on that page. They're cleared out every now and then (whenever a sysop decides to go through the list). It's actually better if it's not done all that quickly, because if someone wants their page back once they notice it's gone, the images cant be retrieved if they're deleted as well. Image deletion is permanent <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:05 7 August 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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==="Unilateral decision"===<br />
You griped about my "unilateral decision". I dont see how what i did was been any different to what you have been doing for 14 months. Oh, except for me doing it instead of you. Dont bitch and try to start new "tradition" just because theres a faster draw in town. Now, im not adverse to making it so that we have to discuss it first between ourselves in future, but dont go acting as though its always been done, or attacking me because i have merely followed in your glorious unilateral footsteps, because i spoke to Vantar back before Karek was promoted, and there was no cross crat communication on promotions happening back then, and you havent even tried to strike any up prior to now (Or even now, its me doing it). --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:46, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ok. Heres the dealio. You have until J3D's bid comes due to open a discourse with me about it. You can find me in IRC, the rummers will point you in the right direction for me, as will the people in #XIII. If not ill unilaterally reject J3D's bid on multiple grounds, most notably the fact that he wants to focus on A/VB, and his judgement is appallingly bad, such as not spotting Finis for the troll he is and ignoring him, and instead engaging in [[A/VB#User:J3D|multiple]] [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_04#User:J3D|acts]] of vandalism against him. Also, his judgement on several cases is pretty poor, such as assuming poor form = bad faith ([[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_05#User:Whitehouse|Whitehouse case in May this year]]), repeated instances of shitting up A/VB in violation of the page guidelines (See how much of his crap is there in the archives). {{Quote|J3D|This comment is relevant to this vandalism report. kekekekeke--J3DSR! 14:46, 21 June 2008 (BST)}} ([[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_06#User:Goolina|Source, early last month as an example]]).<br />
A [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_06#User:Nallan.2C_User:J3D_and_User:Sexylegsread|Demonstrable history of immaturity]], not to mention attempting to rule on that case in question, which cheese should have soft warned him for at least. In the last couple of months he has become quite the little shit disturber, which is the exact opposite of what he should be doing.<br>Making a mess on A/VB and tossing in how two cents left right and center on the main page instead of the talk, as well as numerous acts of vandalism on his part indicate he has little respect for rules or guidelines except where they serve his interests, and is thus nowhere near appropriate sysopm material. Not now, and most likely not ever, unless he seriously cleans up his act for a very long period of time. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 18:51, 26 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Stuff I'm Thinking About===<br />
I'm seriously contemplating moving barricade plans to group subpages, as it's where they should have been in the first place and will stop all this pointless bickering.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:52, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Trouble with that solution is that it's usualy a collaborative effort between survivor groups/individuals, rather than each group in an area "owning" their own plan <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:02 24 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::UBP subpages for the ones that are UBP group "neutral".--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:20, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I know we ''could'' fit them somewhere, I just don't feel that it is a good thing. They are usually a community resource, and even though they are survivor POV, they should remain as a community page if possible. I don't remember much drama coming from them before the Dunell Hills situation. The occasional dispute about whether a building should be an entry point, or EHB... but meh, that's what arbies is for <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 24 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::This whole thing has gone so far out of proportion. I think the [[Santlerville]] model is the best. Survivor orientated cade plan on the page with the larger plan linked to and a zombie plan linked to from the bottom of the page, everyone's happy.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:31, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Funny J3d, as a zombie minded player I've always found those plans to be more of an insult than most things on the wiki. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small><br />
::::::you talking about the actual cade plans or the zombie 'plans'? I find the zombie ones pretty shitty but if people want them there i figure they should be allowed to, despite the fact that serve no actual purpose...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:37, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::The zombie ones. It's just an excuse to avoid addressing the actual issue.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:39, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::I could see this becoming Wan's a/a case v2.0...the wiki is here to provide information to players, barricade plans (majority enforced ones) do that...while i can understand some people not liking them on the suburb page that should at the very least have a full sized heading explaining the purpose of the cade plan, the major local groups who endorse it and to what scale it is followed with a sizeable link to the actual cade plan because as much as you might not like them they are an important resource for survivor players.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:42, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::That's one of the great ironies about this, they aren't, the other one, of course, is that the same people that use them now will still use them if they're moved off of the suburb pages.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 11:07, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::As a self confessed zombie player you aren't really the right person to judge whether or not cade plans are an important survivor resource. While i agree they are largely bullshit i use them when i'm out of town and need to find an ep, you'd be suprised how often the ep the cade plan points to is the one that is in use, regardless of whether or not i feel it is the most logical choice for an entry point to a resource building. Anyway as to your second point - i agree, so move them to a subpage of the suburb ''but'' keep them well linked so people can find them! If a suburb is having a tantrum then you can look into splitting them into 'group cade plans' or whatever but 99% suburbs don't need that.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:01, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::I'm a zombie player, not an idiot. That being said I have frequently participated in the survivor game for quite some time now, it's both how I started playing and how I ended playing, I classify myself as a zombie player not because I'm biased to their side but because I refuse to associate myself with the "survivor" mindset and I prefer the "zombie" metagame. And to refrain from using a segway I've already used; [[Talk:NPOV|I've had this discussion before]] and wasn't the only one who came to the conclusion, 99% of them aren't followed and never have been(I only know of one suburb that I could ever say consistently did).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small><br />
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::::It's not "an occasional dispute" this has been going on for over 2 years now and it's because of the absurdly POV nature of them that contributes to the general POV nature of the suburb pages. They're group resources<sub>(I doubt you'd dispute that)</sub> it's idiotic for us to leave them on community pages, especially when they never should have been there in the first place. It's a major nuisance and one we should have solved long ago.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:33, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::I've no problem with them coming off the suburb pages. I'll help with that. But I don't think group sub-pages is the place for them. Suburbname Barricade Plan (as seen on [[:Category:Barricade plans]]) would be the place I'd put them <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:37 24 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Bots===<br />
[[:Category:Bots]] could probably use classifying as [[Special:Listusers/Bots]] so the wiki regards them as such, although I'm not exactly sure what the differences are/would be beyond the [[Special:Recentchanges]] filter.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:09, 14 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I'm pretty sure it does something else, but I can't remember off-hand. It would be useful to have them in that user-group though. Means we can filter out Bot edits on recent changes and keep track of "official" bots. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 10:40, 14 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Is it that bot edits (from bots listed by a crat as such in Listuers) are hidden on recent changes? Perhaps we need a bot policy, so that they are approved before having their user status changed, and also making it clear that they can be banned as soon as seen malfunctioning, or when making non approved edits? They should probably have specific purposes, and if they step outside those bounds, be disabled <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 14:01 14 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::Noticed that my bots had suddenly moved up in the world. Thanks for the addition of that user group. As far as a policy/approval group goes, it seems a bit overkill since there's only a few bots, and the fact I'm the only one making them. I try to include a decent overview of their operations (and indeed a message about temporary bans) on their user pages anyway. These things are also only manually operated, the only way they can destroy the wiki is if I'm maliciously inclined or I somehow screw up to the 10th power. The few errors that have happened in the past get reverted by myself, or some nice wiki user if I miss them. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 18:41, 14 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Still, it would get everything all clear cut and shiny. Which is always useful for anyone else wanting to make a bot. If we have it in writing, they know what they can and can't do. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:31, 15 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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===My retardation.===<br />
If I want an image in a frame '''and''' resized, any idea how i'd code it?<br />
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On an unrelated note.In relation to this [[The Great Suburb Group Massacre]] do you think 2 weeks is not enough time? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:25, 12 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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No Boxy, that's not resizing, try--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:13, 12 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Like this? :P <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 17:22 12 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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Cheers chaps, --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:31, 12 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the comments boxy. In answer to your questions.<br />
*Yes. It will be time consuming, about 6 weeks worth in fact. But i reckon I can probably remove 30% of all groups. After which it will be less stressful, they've just never been properly done before.<br />
*In future I will make it burb specific, but for now its just the truly inactive groups im purging. Besides who wants to get dragged into a "Were active in this suburb" debate? A hilly suburb on our western border alone would probably implode if i asked that question. I will make the cahnge but not yet.<br />
*As for the timestamp idea, its possible, Maybe a <nowiki>{{Welcomegroup}}</nowiki> template explaining how things work? But thats for the future, ive only just finished the location pages for vinetown, and i fear my brain will give up...--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:17, 13 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Sigh===<br />
Why must you [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Poulet_Place&diff=1215718&oldid=1209797 ruin everything]!?!?!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:06, 12 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Calling everyone "fucking retards" is not cool on community pages, and the people with the French template on their pages don't have anything to do with the place (it works just as well without the link anyway)... and I like fried chicken :P <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 11:18 12 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::The fucking retards thing was funny, and we need an [[ELiM]] link on the page somewhere. French thing is meh, and wikipedia clearly states that african american's like fried chicken...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 15:14, 12 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'll give you fried chicken :P <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 17:03 12 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::Link plox.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:36, 12 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Wiki===<br />
Hey Boxy, I noticed that at about 1 AM GMT-6, all the wiki's text got much larger. I've check on other sites and deleted all my cookies, etc., so I know it's not my browser. Any info? -{{User:Vigeous/Sig}} 08:36, 11 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Has it cleared itself up? Often closing the browser/puter and restarting fixes these little glitches. Only thing that I can think of is that you may have upped the font size on the page. I use firefox, and occasionally bump the mouse scroll wheel while holding in ctrl. This can change the font size up or down on individual sites while not affecting other web pages in different tabs <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 11:22 12 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Ah, much thanks Boxy! -{{User:Vigeous/Sig}} 20:11, 12 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Warning===<br />
Hey Boxy. :) Can you strike one of my warnings for me? It's been a month and I've made over 250 edits. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 10:40, 8 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Done... fly straight <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 15:34 8 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Thank you. :) I'll be good now. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 10:56, 11 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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===RE: Standzs===<br />
Hi. I change that because Standzs is one of my 2 characters and I´m not playing more with it. --[[User:suver|suver]] 15:18, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===My bad===<br />
Sorry, in the swapping over of discussion from main page to talk page, I missed your comment you placed after my rant. I have replied to it now, and I honestly look forward to hearing more.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 14:55, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===RE: Cheap shot===<br />
[[ALiM|;)]] --{{User:Nallan/sig}} 13:57, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Aqua Teen Template Force===<br />
{{boxy}}<br />
You get a Play on Names Template. Why? You really need a reason? Fine. Cause we are the Aqua Teens, make the homeys say ho and the girlies wanna scream. Number one in the hood, G. Enjoy. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 02:58, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Imposter/Impersonation type sig===<br />
[[User:Bronz93|Bronz93]] has a sig which makes me believe that the user is trying to impersonate boxy (you) right [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1196999| here]] and also [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1197419| here]]. Just look at it [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:Boxy_like_sig.jpg here]]. --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 01:53, 24 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:I don't think he's trying to impersonate me, but I've asked him to remove it anyway. No idea what that's all about <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 07:34 24 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Election===<br />
Crat election is over. Time to tally the votes, check for socks, and do whatever else needs to be done. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 07:54, 21 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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There was some UD flooding that I saw on a spray paint in the game yesterday. It's probably still there. <br />
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[[Image:Gnome4BetterWikiFaggots.jpg| LOL]] <br />
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--{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 08:02, 21 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:I find it funny how about half the gnome votes are really anti-me votes :D --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 09:58, 21 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Congratz, dammit. Ye've thwarted me plans, fer now... also, I don't know who sprayed that message. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:13, 23 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Nooo....neither do i... *looks left, looks right, fades into the night*--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:33, 23 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Why===<br />
Template groups?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:21, 17 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:So that we can track when groups are added to the list, and perhaps, in the future, set up a system where groups can be removed regularly if not updated... a fringe benefit may be that edit conflicts on the group lists doesn't mean that the whole page needs locking <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:54 17 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Makes sense, me likey.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 14:01, 17 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===A/A===<br />
Use my talk page if you wanna talk to me.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:06, 10 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Warning===<br />
{{quote|boxy|Please do not place humourous suggestions in the main suggestions section on this wiki. Continuing this behaviour may lead to your editing privileges being revoked.}}<br />
And lord knows, my life would be cast adrift in purposelessness if that ever happened! Please, somebody hold me! [[User:SporeSore|SporeSore]] 12:30, 6 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Banning===<br />
I don't know if I did it correctly, but I don't want it to look like I went power mad. Nemesis Omega came up under the same IP as Mister Game and to me that is a sock puppet account. If I screwed it up, I wanted to come to you first and say, 'hey, did I do this right?'. I don't dabble in the bannings and floggings and what-nots very often. So if I screw them up I would hope that someone would correct me and not instantly misconduct me. Thanks.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 15:43, 9 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Come *ON*.===<br />
Like you didn't see [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Misconduct_Cases_Currently_Under_Consideration this] coming.--[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 06:32, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Of course I did. Meh <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 09:51 5 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Vandalism===<br />
If you really want to get all worked up about someone committing real vandalism there's some extremely funky stuff going on on Tselita's talk page that is being ignored.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:00, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Are you talking about her reworking posts even when made by a sysop in an official manner? Or the ugly color scheme and layout? Sometimes I think we need some sort of Style Policy or at least a Tacky Escalation ladder.- :)-{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:18, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Pfft. I didn't delete his posts - I deleted them, and if he didnt mix 'official sysop' posts with unofficial personal attacks I wouldn't have had to bother to. Don't want me to delete your posts on my user page? Simple solution - don't post there. Read the rules for my user page on the top. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 16:21, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Listen up, idiot. If you don't want him to post on your page, don't fucking reply to, or start ranting about him when you delete his posts. It's not a complicated concept, even for a chick <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:45 5 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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:::While we're at it, why don't you give Gardenator a warning for writing harassing posts on my user page as well 'talking about labias' - Nah that would be fair and unbiased and we all love the Goons, don't we Nubis and Karek? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 16:24, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::If he edits your post to spell out LABIA I will personally give him a warning for vandalism. Until then saying "dirty" words is not against the rules.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:32, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Piss off to your own talk pages <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:45 5 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Images===<br />
After 17 days of slaving away Rosslessness and I have brought the amount of uncategorized images down to 1390. There are a few images in there that are [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:PDA_Badge.jpg deleted]] but won't go away (same with the uncategorized pages). I plan on going through the main categories and cross referencing any images that can go in more than one, but we figured getting all of them in at least one was the main goal. Soon you will be able to remove the link from your sig! Just keeping you updated in case you missed it. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 20:33, 4 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:That's a lot of work, great stuff. :D --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:38, 4 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::I'm going to make a medal for those two first chance I get...--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 21:43, 4 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I hope its shaped like a cookie..... 1343 by the way. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:12, 4 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::I hope it is all text! No more images! :P--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 01:42, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yep, nice work, and yeah, I of course noticed your recent changes spamming ;) I would have rather that all the categories were put in first time... but it's such a big job (probably what ground me to a halt on the project) that I'm not complaining <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 03:20 5 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:There are also some images that change category with usage. I think going back through them will also help cut down on the dups that are just different sizes because the user may not know how to alter the size in the code or forget what they named it when they uploaded it. And I agree - those survivors love their ribbons! --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:47, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ribbons, they've all got to have their own set. Just doesn't fit for me, the flavour of organised military groups just isn't right... but then again, organised zombie hordes are even more out of flavour, so meh <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:55 5 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::A category for awards/medals would be best i feel. Thats the only major "gap" in the current system. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:42, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::It's starting to get there. But the original RRF style flavor was good for the game ''and'' fit a kinda different concept of what a zombie was.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:36, 6 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Uncategorizedimages DONE - DONE - DONE!]] So help me if you sysops let that image list get that long again I will (insert generic threat here and add extra venom!) Now for Part 2. :/ --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:39, 7 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Do you have super secret powerful delete powers? We have a list of about 3 images and 4 or so pages that just won't go away. We thought maybe the Crat position had something we didn't. If not, would Kevan have the ability? I have a list on my talk page titled '''Special Delete'''. Thanks.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 22:08, 13 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Nope, no idea how to get rid of those pages, they're buggy. Krazy Monkey worked out how to get rid of a few annoying pages like those, but it doesn't work with them, afaik <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 04:57 14 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Arby's===<br />
We need you to accept J3D or not accept him. We're waiting on you to start this case up. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:33, 2 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Res: Blanking Pages===<br />
:The only pages I request for deletion are the ones that I have personally made with this wiki account or my former one (N dG). In the future I will go about with the proper procedure that you have explained. Thanks. --[[User:Nick nitroz|Nick Nitroz]] 15:16, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Wah?===<br />
Any thought on whats passing for [[News]] today? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:57, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like the implementation of a suggestion that someone made here a while ago. Perhaps only on the [[suggestions talk page]] though. Hope repairing long ruined buildings gets an XP bonus <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:02 28 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Im just glad that work on Monroeville seems a bit more pointfull now. Wonder what else Kevan has got planned for MV?--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:30, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Help meh Boxy!!===<br />
Why isn't [[Penny Heights Police Department|this]] redirect working? I want it to redirect to [[PHPD]] like you suggested, but it won't. Did I break the wiki?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:51, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Don't worry boxington, i helped the noob and thus saved the day. No sweat. Although perhaps a [[sandpit]] in repayment?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:04, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::wtf you did nothing! NOTHING! Boxeh I still need you! Jed was the last one to touch the page so it's not my fault if the wiki is fucked.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 12:09, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::The redirect works fine. If it isnt working for you, clear your cache. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 12:15, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Works for me too... should have worked with your earlier versions as well... probably what Grim said <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:27 28 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
And you wouldn't have to worried about removing your own [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Deletions&diff=next&oldid=1164228 deletion request], no one is going to VB you for that, but moving it down to the resent actions section would be a better idea than simply wiping it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:36 28 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:yeah nick you r-tard.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:38, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ah got it. Works now. Is there anything teh cache can't do? I submit that there is not.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 12:48, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Well it's not [[ALiM|LOL]], that's for sure.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:25, 29 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Minor edit===<br />
Can you discuss w/ the other sysops about changing the error on the bureaucrat policy? Specifically, it says: "This policy does not effect any account that Kevan may use as a wiki admin account;" effect should be changed to affect.<br />
--[[User:Larspcus2|Larspcus2]] 00:19, 20 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:I don't think we need to bother anyone else for something so minor. Thanks, that should have it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 02:55 20 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===:O===<br />
[[User:Boxy|Someone]] [[User talk:Penny Black|used to]] have a templated sig! What turned you against 'em?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:00, 19 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Did you stuff the second link up? Couldn't find a sig of mine there, but yeah, I used one [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Boxy/sig a few times], just don't like them. 1) I figure the sig you use on a page should stay there instead of being changed later, 2) They contribute to stuffing pages up (like the [[suggestions talk page]] occasionally) 3) meh <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 03:00 20 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Ah yeah, i did. I had 2 user talks open both called Penny _____, there was that one and another. Anyway it did have a sig of yours on it. Templated sigs do make edit pages a lot cleaner though...also have you seen the awesome new ALiM navbar?? It totally rox!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:54, 20 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Jamie's Headerpage templates===<br />
Thank you Boxy for moving them to the right place, I did not know what name to put the under. By the way; what did you think of them, not very good are they.--[[User:Jamie Cantwell3|<span style="color: DARKRED">Jamie Cantwel3</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Jamie Cantwell3|<span style="color: DARKGREEN">Talk</span></sup>]]''All glory to the Hypnotoad!'' 04:25, 18 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:I've seen worse ;) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 04:34 18 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
Sorry I stuffed up [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template%3ADepression&diff=1146706&oldid=1146608 this one on you]. But you could have fixed it by simply putting a backslash (/) in the last noinclude tag. The noinclude tags (<nowiki><noinclude>xxxx</noinclude></nowiki>) mean that whatever you put between the tags shows up on the page, but when the template is used on another page (like your user page) that text doesn't get included (hence noinclude) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 04:41 18 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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Ok I will remember that next time thanks.--[[User:Jamie Cantwell3|<span style="color: DARKRED">Jamie Cantwel3</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Jamie Cantwell3|<span style="color: DARKGREEN">Talk</span></sup>]]''All glory to the Hypnotoad!'' 23:13, 18 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Page Moving===<br />
I figured I'd ask you this, considering you're the only Sysop I really know.<br />
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[[The_Imperium]] have several pages that I think should really be sub pages, such as the [[Imperial_Guard]] and [[Imperial_Inquisition]]. They also have their own page for [[Pk]] reporting, which I also think should be a sub page. <br />
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Thanks in advance for any help.<br />
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--{{User:Ashley Valentine/sig}} 16:50, 14 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh gawd... so many pages... so little point <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:21 15 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Why was the page moved at the request of someone else? There's other groups with similar setup such as the DEM.--{{User: Garviel Loken/Sig}}22:28, 15 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Those other groups where already like that long before I got here, and fixing them up is a huge job. Makes my head hurt just thinking about it. Basically, all group sub pages should be in that format. It makes it much easier for people to know who's pages they are (important to make it clear that non members should not edit them), especially if the main group page is later deleted (not all that likely in your case), and it means that multiple groups can have similarly named pages without fighting about who owns the "Imperial Guard" (for example) page. I know it may seem like mindless bureaucracy to you, but it really does help if everyone sticks to this sort of system as much as possible, as new members copy how other established groups do thing <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 08:12 16 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[A/VD]]===<br />
For some bizarre reason i'm not trusted to edit that page so instead i'm coming here to tell you to remove a [ from Karek's entry, minor i know but still it shouldn't be there.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:25, 12 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fixed it, thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:12 12 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[Talk:Suggestions]]===<br />
Templated sigs don't seem to be showing up on this page. Is it like that for you? Any clues as to cause/solution?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:05, 7 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yeah. Solution ==> Don't use templated sigs :P <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 09:45 7 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::Is there an easy way to do that other than copy and pasting from a word document every time you need to sign? --{{User:Pdeq/sig}} 09:51, 7 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::If your sig coding isn't too long, just put it in the nickname box (in your preferences) instead of a link to your sig page <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 09:55 7 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:My understanding is when the page gets too big templates start breaking, so stuff needs to get moved to archives. Or something like that. --{{User:Pdeq/sig}} 08:07, 7 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yeah, that's it basically. There is a limit on the number of templates that can be displayed on any page (in the hundreds I think). Once it reaches the limit, all templates on the page are broken, not just the sig templates. The talk suggestions page requires regular cleaning out <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 09:45 7 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::oh yeah i forgot you hated them...should have asked someone else. That page shouldn't be archived, i think if it breaks 'em again i'll just adopt the policy of if its no longer being discussed it can be deleted...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:21, 7 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::There is actually a policy for that somewhere. Something about 5 days with no discussion, and you put a warning. [[User:Karek|Karek]] used to do a lot of deleting of old stuff, so he's pretty knowledgable about (1) how to remove old discussions and (2) how to move suggestion discussion that have now been put up for voting. --{{User:Pdeq/sig}} 21:24, 7 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::There's no limit to number of template calls, there is however a file size limit so only so many kilobytes of data can be called. And it's two days without discussion for a deletion notice and 7 for removal.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:17, 8 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[ELiM]]===<br />
I thought you'd like to know! :) :) :)--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 03:49, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hahaha, I see you've sanitised the ALiM talk page... can't have none of that nasty dissent now can we >:) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:00 7 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::twas me, and feel free to come back and dissent more, just don't expect the conversation to linger when you've cleared off. ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:25, 9 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Whatever you say, finis <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:54 9 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::hahahahahahahahahhahahahaha FUCK YOU! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:03, 10 May 2008 (BST)<br />
Click [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Amusing_Locations_in_Malton/Archive#.22The_Boxy_Incident.22 here] if you ever want to relive the good 'ol days ;) --{{User:Nallan/sig}} 09:29, 26 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Old Policies===<br />
I still actually haven't had time to figure out the policy cycling stuffs, otherwise I'd get to this. Anyway, the following policy discussions have been up for like a month. [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Inappropriate usernames|Inappropriate usernames]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Bureaucrat Election Tweak|Bureaucrat Election Tweak]], and [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/NPOV|NPOV]].--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:22, 26 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:They should be archived, I believe. The limit is two weeks, I think. Although most people don't archive/withdraw it at that point because it is counterproductive if there is still discussion. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:02, 26 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yeah, they're archived in withdrawn policies (unless there's still active, productive discussion going on) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 00:03 27 April 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===jejejeje===<br />
lololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol--[[User:Shakey60|Shakey60]] 16:03, 23 April 2008 (BST)<br />
===Akule's bid===<br />
Akule's promotion bid should have been closed four days ago. And axe appears to have declined his promotion bid. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 04:53, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Gee, I wonder why? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 04:54, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Something I thought you should see===<br />
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAxe_Hack&diff=1112386&oldid=1112355 This], which seems pretty close to vandalism actually considering it's a stones throw away from him making accounts under different IPs and voting for himself. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:28, 18 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:You want a screenshot of the IM? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:29, 18 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Never mind...I provided the screenshot on Vantar's talk. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:42, 18 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's idiocy. It won't help the bid, just like the goon meatpubbitry wont hinder it.<br />
:::I didn't know that till 15 minutes ago, now did I? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 01:06, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Bit late now, isn't it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 01:36 19 April 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::Isn't that actually in the text on that very page?--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:37, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::On [[A/BP]] only, I believe. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:39, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::That would make no sense, [[A/BP]] ''is'' a vote.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:40, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::You mean meatpuppetry? That's what I mean. ''Sockpuppetry is considered vandalism.'' --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:42, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::But I didn't use a sockpuppet, now did I? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 01:44, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::It says on [[A/PM]], "'''''This is not a vote'''. It is instead merely a request for comments from the wiki community''", and I would expect anyone wanting to become a sysop to know that it wasn't a vote. It's not helped by people putting up tallies though <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 01:44 19 April 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::Now I have always thought it was a vote. At least, that was my interpretation of that statement. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 01:54, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Recent Rulings in Impersonation Vandal Cases===<br />
You may want to read down to a couple of cases on the vandal banning admin page where similar cases have been brought up. Hagnat and you see this issue in two very different lights. He ruled not vandalism where you have ruled vandalism. Not that it matters but I agree with you. No matter what it says at the top of a page, a signed post has to be protected to ensure integrity of the wiki. --{{User:Showcase/sig}} 18:02, 18 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:He ruled not vandalism in a case where a goon signed unattributed posts as his own, I ruled vandalism where a few goons claimed that stuff they had written themselves were actually written by another user. There is a big difference between the two... but they'd better not push the point on Hagnat's ruling... it's not that far away from being bad faith <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 18:30 18 April 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Ah. I see. This is why you are the sysop and I am not :) Thanks for the clarification. --{{User:Showcase/sig}} 20:31, 18 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Location Editing==<br />
'''[[User talk:Boxy/Locations|Locations talk archive]]''':<br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
'''[[User talk:Boxy/Suggestions|Suggestion talk archive]]''':<br />
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===Help===<br />
I just added a new suggestion for voting and clicked save not preview.... now I can't sort out the vote section. If you are still online help would be much appreciated. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I hope that's what you wanted <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 11:24 21 February 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Exactly what I needed... thanks. I probably would have got there eventually but not before spamming recent changes with about 300 revisions and annoying the hell out of you and whoever else was watching. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Good oh. It could have been a real nightmare trying to get it fixed while getting edit conflicted by voters :) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 11:46 21 February 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::Yeah I was worried about that, especially as some asshat would probably have tried to crucify me for editing a suggestion after it went up for voting :) Anyway, thanks again and I promise to try not to do it again.--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 12:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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===Request for moving to Removed Suggestions===<br />
I edited my own suggestion to put a clarification in, didn't realize it was not allowed when there are votes already in place. I apologize for my error.<br />
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Link to suggestion: [[Suggestion:20080208_Emergency_first_aid_kits_in_buildings]] --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 12:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I rolled your edit back before anyone voted, so there's no harm done. If you want to withdraw it for revision you can. I would suggest putting it on the [[suggestions talk page]] before taking it back to voting however <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:54 8 February 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Instructions on withdrawing suggestions can be found [[Suggestions:Cycling_Instructions#Revised|here]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:57 8 February 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::Cool, thanks for the instructions. I put it back into suggestion discussion for now while I work the kinks. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 13:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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===Ruins===<br />
You said:<br />
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# Change - make it so that this only applies from the street, not inside, otherwise there is no way to know if you are going to end up outside when you try to freerun -- boxy talk • i 07:03 20 January 2008 (BST) <br />
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I have two responses. The derisive and the sensible. Since i am in a generous mood for typing today, i shall present both:<br />
#Derisive: OH EM GEE! IT COSTS 1 EXTRA AP TO CROSS A RUIN! RUIN IS RUINING TEH GAME WIHT RUINZ!!!<br />
#Sensible: If you get knocked out of teh free running system by a stealth ruin, you have an entry point ''right there'' with which to re-enter the system. It makes travel a little more hazardous for humans? Good! My Brain rotted Pker finds life far, far too easy despite shooting people up in MALLS. Humans had an easy enough time finding places to hide and entry points after ransack was introduced, and to be fair, this would serve as a nice hazard to the human mobility advantage. It would also encourage people to be a little more coordinated and fix ruins faster. As for seeing ruins from inside a building: How on earth could people see a ruin from inside a neighbouringt building when they cant even see ruin from outside? Are all buildings now equipped with X-ray windows? It would be a nice hazard that would *gasp* present a risk to human survival. Much better than the only risk being the tiny risk of being killed by a zombie or pker. The only way for a sensible human to die at the moment is bad luck. A brain rot Pker thriving in a suburb with semi regular breakins illustrates this quite ably. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 08:10, 20 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Hope you don't mind, but I moved this to the [[Suggestion_talk:20080120_make_ruins_not_visible_from_other_blocks#Ruins|suggestion talk page]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:10 20 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Bang sticks===<br />
Assault rifle had 1 keep o kills and 5 spam, not o keep, 1 kill and 5 spam, at least give the author credit for voting for himself!--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:lol, yep, my mistake <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:36 5 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Yet more evidence i'm in love with '''recent changes'''--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::You jumped the gun by four hours. they have to stay up 6 hours before removal is possible. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 13:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Hmmm, it looks like you're right, but [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestions:Cycling_Instructions&diff=prev&oldid=901498 Funt changed the rules]... I thought extremely obvious spams could be removed early <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:56 5 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::But then the old [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestions&oldid=646542#Removing_Suggestions page] didn't include that bit. I dunno, anyway, I'll leave it 6 hours <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 14:01 5 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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==Moderation==<br />
'''[[User talk:Boxy/Moderation|Moderation talk archive]]'''<br />
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===Junk that is Upsetting Me===<br />
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I'm not going to lie...<br />
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[[:Image:MartyisCrazy.jpg]]<br />
[[:Image:ActionMarty.jpg]] <---- needs more [http://www.floridasrealestatemarketplace.com/xSites/Agents/mariorodriguez/Content/UploadedFiles/MARIOS%20PICTURE%20BY%20ZAMIRA.jpg MSPaint hair]. [[User:Kid sinister|Kid sinister]] 22:40, 12 April 2008 (BST)<br />
[[:Image:Martywtf.gif]]<br />
[[Image:Advicetips.jpg]]<br />
[[:Image:Atruefriend.jpg]]<br />
[[:Image:Martyposter.jpg]]<br />
[[:Image:Headertwo.jpg]]<br />
[[Image:Advicetips2.jpg]]<br />
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This stuff does bother me, them making fun of me I could care less... but they are going after my family now... Dude, I'm really unhappy about this... <br />
It is not fair that they should be able to find me and my family and I have no idea who these people are... Please get rid of this garbage... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 23:04, 13 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:How are they going after your family? And how is deleting that stopping them from going after your family? --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:54, 13 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::That is my father's image... and as I recall... http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Copyrights they are violating a HUGE edict... and come on... this is a personal attack... it is gross public spectacle at it's worst... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 00:24, 14 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'm man enough to admit I did lol at 'Action Marty'... but they are seriously taking it too far, you guys need to police this before it goes any further... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 00:39, 14 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::What image is your fathers? The one looking like Colonel Sanders or the Action Figure guy? Unless you mean the cartoon they keep spoofing. And they're breaking the copyright rules. They are not reproducing it but instead creating entirely new images. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:30, 14 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::who looks older? lol... and they are... I never gave them permission to use my image for that... those images are mine... and one of them comes from another website... I own all of those images... they need my permission and they sure as hell aren't getting it... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 02:44, 14 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::If you uploaded a picture of an orange and I put that orange in another picture with other fruits I found on the internets I could do that. But if I just recopied your image and uploaded it then I'd be stealing. I've listened to Akule and his copyright rants to know the ins and outs of this. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:51, 14 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Okay, then it doesn't violate wiki policy copyright wise... but you must see this for what it is... come on, they are not being subtle about what they are doing; this violates every common decency, it is something that should not be tolerated regardless of whether it violates 'a rule in the books'... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 05:55, 14 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::I'm pretty sure creators have rights over derivative works of their creations as well as exact copies. See [http://www.ucl.ac.uk/learningtechnology/legal/copyright/faq.html#modify here], [http://www.tasi.ac.uk/advice/managing/copyright_faq.html here] (scroll to FAQ 9), [http://www.ihaveawebsite-nowwhat.co.uk/copyright-facts-and-myths.htm here] (scroll to "If I make up my own stories, based on a similar work, my new work belongs to me."), and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works#History here] (first paragraph of history section). Still, I'd advise against bringing the copyright policy into this - in practice it's not enforced, and there's been a lot of drama around it in the past. --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 02:47, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Technically, it could fall under parody, but can easily be considered libel (slander with written works), however I doubt you will be able to do much in the courts. With the current way we are handling the policy on [[UDWiki:Copyrights|copyrights]] is to cite the information before we draft a letter to eventually get permission. Did you create the original yourself, or did you modify the drawn image for yourself? Your best bet would be to talk about vandal banning for the attacks or at the very least put forth an arbitration against them to prevent them from putting up and keeping these types of images. Unfortunately that will just get them to put them up elsewhere and just add more fuel to the fire. Wiki-wise a case could be argued for impersonation as you are not stating the things the pictures are saying, but I'd just go with the fact that they are making a lot of bad faith edits through picture harassment. Either way you should have a good case for an arbitration against them. If they don't appear before the arbitration you can get a ruling made against them by default, so they will have to bring their case forth. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 02:50, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I'm not convinced you actually know what libel is, so I'd suggest not throwing that word around until you get a real handle on it. Clearly the images are parodying Marty's in-game persona. We're hopefully all adults here, so if you are unable to withstand a bit of ridicule without screaming libel of all things then maybe a more child-friendly game would be more appropriate. By the way Marty, love the new template. Oh no, I mean I'll be pressing for a libel/bad faith/vandal case '''''immediately''''' of course --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 09:27, 15 April 2008 (BST) <br />
{{SADEL}}<br />
:::::::::::I'd explain it to you, but I have come to find that people typically ignore large blocks of text, so I see no reason to do so. After looking over your post, I do think you could benefit from going [http://www.rif.org/ here]. The point is that Marty would prefer that you stop harassing him, thus my advice to take it to vandalism or arbitration, not to make an actual case in a court of law against you and your fellow "goons". --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:40, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::The point is the images they used as a source are my property, I'm asking that they be removed from the wiki. My rights over control of those images do not end just because the images were edited and uploaded under a different name... They may not be violating wiki policy but they are violating my rights laid forth in the US Copyright Act of 1976 by editing and reposting. I'm request that these images be permanently removed from the wiki. As for arbitration, I am not going to have a big shoutfest with them for their enjoyment. No permission was given to them to modify or upload those images, they need to be removed...<br />
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::::::::::::'''US Copyright Act'''<br />
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::::::::::::Derivative Works: <br />
::::::::::::http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#103<br />
:::::::::::::See Subsections (a) and (b)<br />
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::::::::::::Protections: <br />
::::::::::::http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106a<br />
:::::::::::::See Subsection (a), Line (3)<br />
::::::::::::--[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 23:29, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::There is certainly [[Talk:Battle_of_the_Bear_Pit#Images_Deleted|precedence]] for having the images outright deleted. I'd find an active sysop and request that they speedy delete those images following [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Deletions&diff=prev&oldid=498922 this precedent] then. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:37, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::That's all mighty impressive but sadly has nothing to do with this. With regards the US Copyright Act, please read up on Fair Use, specifically Parody and Fair Use. Nice little starter right here: [http://www.publaw.com/parody.html]. Akule, if you're going to pretend to have some kind of knowledge on this subject then fair enough, but please try not to lead people astray. Hell there wouldn't even be a case if we were profiting from the images and you should know that. I'm kind of sad that the first reaction to someone making fun of '''''your fictional zombie fighting character''''' is to resort to vague legalese, what a world. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 00:07, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::: I am not a lawyer but since MartyBanks uploaded [[:Image:Martyfires pistol.jpg|this image]] doesn't that mean permission to use the image on the wiki was granted? Because to claim otherwise would involve saying you did not give yourself permission to upload the image. The only options I can see for you right now are arbitration or ignore it. Also I thought the wiki was under British jurisdiction so why are we citing American laws? (and why is this all on boxy's talk page?)- [[User:Vantar|Vantar]] 00:16, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::: Disgraceful. This is no place for common sense man, this is about high-drama and lofty legal minds! I bet you haven't even read a Grisham novel lately have you? NO. Just as I thought. The key to success? Surprise witnesses, each more surprising than the last. The defense rests.--[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 00:24, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Let me get this straight... Marty is claiming ownership of his own father's likeness? Futhermore, he's claiming an image stored on SeaHouse Realty, Inc.'s website as his own property? [[User:Kid sinister|Kid sinister]] 00:22, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::Unfortunately it does. So, you'd like to argue copyright law then? Not a problem. First read the [[Copyright]] page, the [[International Copyright]] page, and of course the [[UDWiki_talk:Moderation/Policy_Discussion/Citerion_13_-_Speedy_Deletion_of_Copyrighted_Images#Let.27s_Learn_Copyright_Law| Let's Learn Copyright Law lesson]] before you proceed. Now, because we are talking about the ''UD wiki'' and not '''a court of law''', you'll want to ignore all of those pages and just pay attention to precedent on the ''UD wiki'' for author requests of deletion of copyrighted images. Aside from the fact that the images are clearly bad faith edits and thus are subject to deletion and you are subject to vandal banning with [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2007_01#Faerie_Queen precedent here], he is the principle author of said images and can request that subsequent images be deleted as not only is there is a very few instances of allowance for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing fair dealing] in the UK but there is [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Deletions&diff=prev&oldid=498922 precedent] for this sort of thing on the ''UD wiki''. Oh, and yes, we need to know UK law as the UD wiki is hosted in the UK, not in the US. Thanks for dropping by though. ''':)''' --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:27, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::: Please Akule, this is just getting embarrassing. I shan't bother to chuck a dozen links into this paragraph but please just imagine I have, as apparently linking to something adds +2 relevancy to the linkee, even when wrong. I was going to ask you what you were linking to those two "precedent" cases for when neither have anything to do with this case, one simply parrotting everything someone said and the other being someone having their original artwork removed from the wiki, but then I came to the realisation that trying to talk to you was dramatically removing my will to live. Please tell me more about the precedents that have been set in a dozen other unrelated cases, it's utterly fascinating to me and will eventually uncover the essential truth of the matter at hand, much to your credit. All my love, --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 00:41, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::Yeah, that's basically the response I expected. Hence why I didn't bother to explain libel to you. Let me [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning&diff=prev&oldid=531374 make it easier]. One link to follow. Read up on harassment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:44, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::Harassment? They're parody images of a ficitonal character and they're on our talk page. This thing was dead in the water from the word go. LET'S NEVER FIGHT AGAIN. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 00:51, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::Oh? [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Dunell_Hills&diff=prev&oldid=1103995 Are] [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Dunell_Hills&diff=prev&oldid=1098165 they]? AwwWww. I couldn't fight with you. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:56, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
So in other words, copypasta them + host elsewhere regardless. >.> --[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FUser%3AKarloth_vois Karloth Vois] <sup>[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FRed_Rum RR]</sup> 00:38, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:That would get by the whole copyright quagmire, yes. Just not the harassment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:44, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::Akule, please explain libel to me and how it pertains to images that actually are the property of SeaHouse Realty, Inc. when Marty Banks isn't an legal representative of said company? [[User:Kid sinister|Kid sinister]] 01:06, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You'll notice how I asked if he owned the images, right? If he doesn't own the original images it's not going to be a copyright issue, as he didn't own the original images to begin with and thus would have no claim to them in UK law. Now, on to your actual question. [http://www.expertlaw.com/library/personal_injury/defamation.html Here]'s a good explanation of libel. The reason why I said it would be hard to do in a court of law is the fact that he'd have a hard time proving that he actually '''had''' damages. That doesn't mean that some lawyers wouldn't take the case. Anything for money, right? ;) Of course, you're just focusing on the few snippets of what I said that you should ''not''' be focusing on. What you should be focusing on is to see if any of the images constitute harassment of marty, hence the link to the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning&diff=prev&oldid=531374 precedent]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 01:14, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Ahahahaha all that build up and you just linked to an article I could have just Googled anyway? You lazy turd.<br />
::::Why the fuck should I "focus" on something that is completely meritless? If we're going to play that game, then I hereby demand that this be taken down because allowing it anywhere on the net instantly gives AIDS to 250,000 schoolchildren or something:<br />
{{SADEL}} [[User:Kid sinister|Kid sinister]] 04:32, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Akule's promotion bid===<br />
His bid will be ending soon, and considering the wide ranging opinions expressed I thought some discussion would be good before we made the decision. He has shown consistent understanding of the rules and demonstrated interest in maintaining the wiki the copyright image categorization but historically he has been near the center of a lot of drama, which is not the most desirable trait for an op. <br />
What are your thoughts? - [[User:Vantar|Vantar]] 04:24, 13 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, he knows the rules, but seems overly keen to use the knowledge to annoy rather than help, as per the copyright drama and other examples of input to a/vb or the like... <small>besides, the promotion bid was started on April 1, by Anime ;)</small> <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 04:35 13 April 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::In the past, I have been condescending in pointing out rules that were not followed or used against people unfairly, because I was speaking with sysops; whom I felt should have epitomized the rules that they maintained. The copyright fight was one such instance, but as pointed out, I was able to get that topic addressed to a point where people actually ''cared'' one way or another and then my biggest opponent during that time, Hagnat, and I worked out a compromise worked out a way that would benefit everyone. You'll note that since then I haven't put up one image for deletion, rather if I find a copyrighted image, I put in the proper copyright information for the citation and categorize it correctly. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 02:40, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===OI===<br />
[[:Category:Dunell Hills Military Zone|You missed a spot]], jackass. Do the whole job or don't do it at all. {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 11:23, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===A/VB===<br />
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FVandal_Banning&diff=1096659&oldid=1096654 How Comforting].--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:38, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Hmm===<br />
How did this get screwed up? Anyway, [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Jordan_Salafack|This]] still needs doing and I'd very much dislike having to do it myself considering I was the one who reported him.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:33, 1 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:I'll have a look <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 00:00 2 April 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::It's a bit of a mess, but I've gotta run <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 00:15 2 April 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::As long as it's done. It was the last thing in march that needed closing, I think, so I can archive it later today after double checking now.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 00:53, 2 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Editing teh Wiki==<br />
'''[[User talk:Boxy/Wiki|Editing talk archive]]''':<br />
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===err...===<br />
any chance you can help [[User_talk:J3D#Help|this guy]] out? Thanks.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:55, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===hey boxy===<br />
hey boxy<br />
i know you are way busy modign the wiki and you dont have time for <br />
looking for stuff but sence u have seen just about every wiki page evermade here i was wondering if you have seen a wiki page with the little picture saying<br />
"this user has visited ackland mall and the templates like that<br />
i was going to add some to my page<br />
well if you can drop a comment on my talk page thanks<br />
[[User:tomer|tomer]] mall tour 07/X:00<br />
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===Thanks...sorta.===<br />
Thanks for fixing my grammar/spelling errors on the Cockburn page. However i don't think its really your place to remove the link to 73, if he wanted to he could have. I thought you would be happy that real history was being incorporated into the location's history, apparently not.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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===Quick Question===<br />
Just a couple questions regarding Wiki ethics; Would it be considered improper to edit the spelling on someones user page even if the user is not an obvious newb? And what about changing the wording to produce correct grammar or to provide clarity? -[[User:Ablesentinel|AbSent]] 16:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I wouldn't, unless I was pretty sure they wouldn't mind. Ask them on their talk page first is the best bet <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 21:53 29 February 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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=== Question ===<br />
Is it okay to delete irrelevant discussion on discussion pages? Example: there's stuff on the Building Types discussion page that's just no longer relevant. Okay to delete it, you think? --<span style="font-size:90%">[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]]</span> <sup style="font-size:70%">[[Mod_Conspiracy|QT]]</sup> [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|18px]] 18:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Sure, if it's really irrelevant, I guess. I'd make a section at the bottom of the page, and label it for deletion, and give it a week or two there. After that, if no-one has seen fit to save it to an archive, delete it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:13 16 February 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Hey.===<br />
That is not my character. Please ask before creating pages that are not necessary. Thank you. {{unsigned|Nny7229|21:07, February 5, 2008}}<br />
:Well it was a character page in the wrong namespace, you created it, so it got moved to your page. Sorry if it wasn't yours, but we get a heap of pages in the wrong place like that, and waiting for a reply from every one of their authors would mean that many of them would never get put right <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 22:00 5 February 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Thank you===<br />
Thank you Boxy, for the help with my chef page.--[[User:Jamie Cantwell3|Jamie Cantwell3]] 06:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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===Interference Links===<br />
Please ''stop'' adding them, read the page's talk page, a page with that purpose already exists and is where all current data on the matter is and has been going since the day of the update. It's also in the footnote at the bottom of the page. The [[Interference]] page is pretty much nothing but unneeded content spam.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 07:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I think a page is needed on this development <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 07:46 29 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::That isn't it. If you want a page that is about the flavor and what is meant by interference fix that one up, but don't use it as a link to how interference effects building barricades as that is misleading. As such it doesn't belong on the [[barricades]] page until it has content itself, or at the very least relevance to the [[barricades]] page, such as is the case with the stub [[door]].--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 07:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Well people arn't going to be able to provide the information in one place unless there's a link to it so they can find it, and know that their information is needed. (I can't update it, because I'm not playing a survivor in a siege, but I'd love to know what the effect is (both flavour and percentages wise). Would you be happy to have the link in the footnote area? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 07:58 29 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::A link in the footnote area is more than fine. You should be able to fit it in nicely as part of Note 3.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 08:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for taking up this cause Boxy. I was in exactly that situation (wanting to help coalesce knowledge on the subject without having any term or handle for the idea). That's the intent of the Interference page, and I'm astounded Karek doesn't see that. [[User:CloseCall|CloseCall]] 01:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::I didn't see it because of how you were choosing to link to it, it was misleading.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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===Club Head===<br />
So you want me to get rid of the Fenis thing? Is that the only problem you have with the edit? Because i find mods to be temperamental beings and don't want to resubmit only to be banned for not clearing up the unspoken issue.--[[User:J3D|Jed]] 12:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
My bad...--[[User:J3D|Jed]] 12:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:The rest of your "contribution" to the page is pathetically unfunny, but '''I''' really couldn't give a shite. If others make a case against it's inclusion I may though. Why don't you go do something productive with your time <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:10 17 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Hey, hey, hey...each to his own. Until then I'll stick with what i wrote minus Fenis.--[[User:J3D|Jed]] 12:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Oh and you're more then welcome to make suggestions re:doing something productive with my time.--[[User:J3D|Jed]] 12:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Go kill Finis <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:29 17 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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==General Talk==<br />
'''[[User talk:Boxy/Archive|General talk archive]]''':<br />
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===Weapon's Proficiency Bull===<br />
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=%3Frise&diff=969874&oldid=969720 This] is horrible. So is the Guide you linked, no real neutrality what so ever. Specifically the weapons efficiency, it's wrong for one. Without data on the find rates that has been updated you can not claim that they are bad enough, and many figures show that they may well not be, to balance guns to claws. Not to mention that guns ammo searching isn't something that you count, that's just foolishness. If ammo is counted in the efficiency of the weapons for survivors barricades need counting for zombies, that's balanced statistics, instead you count the cost for pre-combat for one side and not the other. BTW, if barricades were counted you'd see how horrible zombie claws vs guns are, if pre-combat actions aren't counted you'll find that shotguns run at about 6.5 for their efficiency, not the measly 1.5 they are rated at in that Guide. PS, your guide purports a 1.7<sub>(without Flak)</sub> and is out of date by about 2 years, [[Search_Odds#Gun_Store|more recent research]] shows that search rates have nearly doubled, some are claiming it has '''''tripled'''''.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If I'm coming off as a bit of an ass it's because I get really tired of some of the survivor crap spread around the wiki that masks the reality of the game and smudges the numbers to hide the true state of the AP imbalance.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:The out of date data is why I used 20AP... it's the number of AP a fireaxe takes to knock down a maxed zombie, isn't it? Not the most efficient, maxed out survivor weapon, but somewhere near it. Bringing barricades into it will severely complicate the issue, give that you'd have to factor in barricade construction on the survivor side... the article is just comparing ?rising with knockdown costs. I know the game is unbalanced towards survivors... but I think it's mainly because of survivor numbers... people want to play survivors to be the hero and because there's more options <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:31 7 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::I'd have to say that the game encourages that behavior in the way the introduction and pretty much every single update has been done. Survivors frequently get all of the flavor and what flavor zombies to get they have to deal with their horrible weapons accuracy, move rates, and barricades to get to, the only zombie flavor which doesn't deal with those things is zombie speech. As for barricade build costs, no, you don't, just don't count ammo find rates which are frequently variable. As for using the Axe instead of the guns which have a far higher hit rate and even with ammo find rates incorrectly included<sub>(I'd have no problem with it's inclusion if the standard was the most data possible but in this case it obviously isn't what they chose to do)</sub> that also horribly smudges the issue as guns, with the newer search data, and even the older search data, save a large and significant amount of AP. That ignored, carry shotguns and needles, CR non-rotters, Shotgun rotters, suddenly it's not 20 AP to clear but with search rates you'll average about 15, less than a headshot, less than what it takes to kill yourself, and less than what it takes for another zombie to kill you. Shotguns are only slightly less efficient than CRing, because they don't have the stacked on other costs but, with the near search rates shotguns could easily be 5 or more AP lower than the 20 you listed based off of the Axe combat stats.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::It's complicated, I know, but even the most efficient weapon in the game (the pistol), in the hands of a maxed out survivor, ''and ignoring searching altogether'', takes more than the 12AP you claimed against a maxed out zombie. Now if you want to expand on the complexity of the decision to ?rise depending on the zombies level, and likelyhood of getting headshot, feel free, but I think 12 is too low <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:52 7 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::BTW, I agree wholeheartedly about the way the game is geared towards survivor updates <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:53 7 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::Actually Boxy, [http://www.herbsofwar.com/test/combatstats.html it takes only 10.], 13 if you count Flak Jackets., 8 if the the zombie doesn't have body building, 11 if they don't have body building and do have a Flak jacket. That doesn't include reloading for obvious reasons.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'm sorry, I edited in the pistol clarification while you were searching for the data, I expect. It says 16AP (ignoring searching) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:59 7 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::Pistols get about 16 AP, Shotguns are actually far better.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::If you factor in reload AP Pistols become better over time, add in search AP to the equation and pistols, I'd assume, are juggernauts because of the finding partially loaded guns. But like I said, if you're gonna do that you need to include everything that could be considered costs to get to combat in the equations, that includes barricades.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::But the whole point of ?rise is that you're already past the barricades... that's what makes it so efficient. All you have to do is ?rise <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 14:07 7 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::Limitations and rewards, ?rise can only be done if you have AP so headshots actually lower the amount of damage ?risers can do. Barricades don't matter because this is about survivor AP expenditure but as combat is about immediate reward you don't factor in searches or AP spent on rebuilding cades, when PKers Pk survivors you don't factor in search rates for either side because that's pre-combat and even if you did we don't have the actual numbers so we can't do it, at least not with any semblance of correctness.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I've placed something on the ?rise talk page, I think it needs a whole new section to discuss when, and when it is not a viable tactic (if you don't mind I'll move this discussion there too) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 01:33 8 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::I'm fine with that, it's a tactic page, essentially, so more information on when to use it as opposed to the survivor view of how much is sucks to deal with could always help.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Good-o <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 05:03 8 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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On a related note, do you find attacking the barricades from inside an efficient tactic in sieges? If I find myself inside, alone, and I haven't got enough AP left to take anyone out completely (seems pointless wounding someone, only to have them healed before anyone else gets in, FAKs are more efficient than any weapon), I will often knock a few levels off the barricades. Do you know how much more effective indoor barricade attacks are? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 05:03 8 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:All the numbers returned from it say it's horribly low, 5% at most, although I doubt it's more than maybe 2.5%, still, if it's HB^ it's actually a good idea to do it if you can't do anything else with your AP as the build rates are generally really low. I'd say it's less effective than attacking survivors but I'd be wrong FAKs and their 60% find rates take care of that. --<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::It must be pretty hard to collect that data. I might head down to the [[Quartly Library]], and see if they're willing to help with some data gathering... well, once Giddings falls, anyway <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:27 8 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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=== Visit this site ===<br />
Pleaseee... look at this [http://malton-nw.myminicity.com/ site] :P<br />
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You are going to like it :)<br />
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--{{User:Savant 231 A/sig}} 15:24, 1 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Excitement plus <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 23:48 1 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Signature Race===<br />
Hm...you're currently the #2 user...while I'm #3...Hmmmm....+1? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 00:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Boxy! Delete his comment!--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
::How exactly does that count the links, is it +1 for each instance of linking or for each page with that link?--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 21:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Each page with a link.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Heh, I would if I was actually going for the win ;) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|I]]</sup> 01:17 6 December 2007 (BST)</small><br />
:::...and now he's number 3. --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 21:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::At that time, you meant 4, right? Ah wells...I'm back to 3...Boxy! Only about 20-40 more edits till I pass you...I forgot which it was...I feel like going for the big challenge...Passing Matt... --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 21:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Anarchy===<br />
It's good to ''be'' back. Real life is great and all, but, y'know.--{{User:Cap'n Silly/Sig}} 06:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, you get hooked on it just like that! :)--{{User:Cap'n Silly/Sig}} 06:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
===Sued===<br />
<nowiki>*</nowiki>Hands you a button labeled 'Sue'. Here you go. Now we know your real name! {{User:Nalikill/Sig}} 02:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I like your sig now :) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] • [[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • 02:59 10 November 2007 (BST)</small><br />
::Thank you kindly, uh, sir or ma'am, I'm sorry for not knowing which. {{User:Nalikill/Sig}} 03:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
::I dont. It bold the timestamp. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 03:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Heh, I'm working on that problem. {{User:Nalikill/Sig}} 03:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::Boxeeee is a box, stoopid peoples lolerz!11--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Well I like it a whole lot better than yours, Haggie :P Oh, and BTW, arn't you avoiding a 1 month ban from the [[A/VB]] archives? Shouldn't I ban you for an extra week? >:) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] • [[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • 03:09 10 November 2007 (BST)</small><br />
::::XD Hoisted by your own petard, Hagnat. {{User:Nalikill/Sig}} 03:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::Oops... caught me. Guess i better ban myself again now that whatever i was trying to prove is already being discussed and half-way solved. And it's not like my uni project is could to complete itself if i continue to edit this wiki. See you guys in a few more days than... off to ban myself again i go. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 03:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::Damn... I was looking forward to bringing down the banhammer too! But good luck with the uni stuff :) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] • [[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • 03:22 10 November 2007 (BST)</small><br />
::::::You want to have the honors ? go ahead :) just make it so i get unbanned after november 24rd (my deadline to deliver that baby) --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 03:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::Oh so tempting... but I'd better not :) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] • [[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • 03:33 10 November 2007 (BST)</small><br />
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By the way, you know how you always have to put <nowiki><nowiki></nowiki> in front of a * at the beginning of a phrase? I created a template, [[Template:*]], to prevent all that unncecessary typing. Just add <nowiki>{{*}}</nowiki> and you're able to move on. {{User:Nalikill/Sig}} 03:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that... will just have to remember it's there now <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] • [[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • 03:17 10 November 2007 (BST)</small><br />
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==New Stuff==<br />
===A/D===<br />
Can you please protect it for the short term. CB shows no desire to let the pages be moved there as policy dictates.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:24, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Yes, please do. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:25, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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How about every one of you pricks stops edit conflicting me, now. And I'll try to sort through your fucking crap <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:26 24 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Fire away. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 08:27, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::lol, you sure like licking boxyanus--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 08:28, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:A good way to prevent edit conflicts is an hour long ban of the feuding parties (if they don't stop after being told), it gives them time to cool down, and time for you to sort through the mess. Well thats my 2c. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">08:29/24/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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===Your comments on the Gamestriker4 case===<br />
I just wanted to say that I feel that was a bit out of line. Regardless of your own personal opinions, your position should not be compromised by what you think of one user and his associates. This is no way coming on here to pick a fight, just dropping you a line in hope that you re-read over what you have written and realize that the Vandal banning page is no place for a SysOp to sledge a user like that. Personal opinions are fine, and I could see why you would have them against Jed, but the whole "aLiM nAzI" thing is just not on really.<br />
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That case had nothing to do with personal ownership of the page, he never claimed that, and as a Sysop you should not immediately jump to those conclusions. You are more or less showing that every case that Jed is involved in, you are going to reduce it to some slanging match over the way they treat pages that they created. Your position requires you to be objective, and you could not even do that when it came to a simple vandal case.<br />
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Whether or not ALiM or its offspring are your cup of tea is irrelevant, as it means something to some users of this Wiki and you should respect that.<br />
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Please, don't take this as some sort of attack, just re-read it and consider what your actually saying next time. It is just that the more I read it, the more I feel as if it is a little out of line, that's all.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 13:49, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:lol butthurt --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 13:53, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::cool story bro--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 13:57, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::i know bra --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:16, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===User contributions===<br />
As I peruse the wiki, I often read the A/VB page to just see who's causing mischief. I noted that the person known as Woot has been posting nonsense on that page. So, after taking a look at his or her contributions lately, they are almost exclusively gibberish posted to various talk pages in an obvious effort to be a troll. <br />
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Is there a policy that applies to that sort of nonsense? I wasn't able to find one. In general I think a bad faith case probably applies to trolls.<br />
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your thoughts? --[[User:Stephen Colbert DFA|Stephen Colbert DFA]] 20:04, 21 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Insanity is his thing... but generally he is a helpful member of the community, if given a chance, for example, this [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Tomer&diff=prev&oldid=1299328 edit]. Trolling would need to be a whole lot more blatant than WOOT's contributions, which seem to be more playful than anything. But no, there is no trolling policy, and it would be extremely hard to write one, given the totally subjective nature of "what is trolling?" <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:07 22 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::<big><big><big><big>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TROLLING!!!</big></big></big></big>--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:42, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Also; '''''There is no Cabal.'''''--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 21:04, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::I heartily concur.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:22, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Great Fire ambiguity===<br />
Hey as one of the wikizens around here that has a background with ALiM projects that goes back before the purge, we'd greatly appreciate if you went [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Cyberbob240_vs._2_Cool|here]] and testified. We are asking for witnesses who can confirm the fact that the page, [[Great Fire of 1912]] was indeed created by and largely moderated by myself and [[User:J3D]]. The task of claiming our creation over the page is complicated by the fact that no history is available to back up our claim due to the history purge. Thanks for you time.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 08:12, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Colloquialisms===<br />
It is neutral tone, the nav bar really recognises the people who have put effort into making the page and linking to other relevant projects that might interest readers. cbf repeating, see cyberbobs talk.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:27, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:#The nav bar is [[Template:ALiMNav|ugly]] and intrusive,<br />
:#The nav bar is bloody ugly and intrusive, and doesn't fit the overall style of general community pages,<br />
:#If you want to make a [[Guide:Colloquialisms|guide]], and put it in the guide namespace, please try to make it look professional,<br />
:#I'm getting real sick of the constant spam and cross-promoting being done by the [[2 Cool]] crew to get page hits up on their "''quality projects''".<br />
:Just because your [[2 Cool|group]] helped make those pages, doesn't mean that you should be allowed to spam adverts to your group page, and other, often totally unrelated, pages you created <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 05:58 11 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::It's a guide for ''colloquialisms'', by it's very nature it is going to be somewhat unprofessional hence stuff like the picture and the text adds to the character of the page. I think the ALiMnav template is quite beautiful, it got a tad out of hand with the add for the ALiM party but since that is removed it's back to it's old beautiful self. We are thinking of redesigning it to make it more streamlined (wider and not so tall) but yeah, that won't be until november or so. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:08, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You think that a nav bar that is baby shit yellow, over half a page wide, and 11 lines high isn't out of hand at the moment? Please? Your nav bar screams "look at me, look at me!". It's a bloody advert <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 06:21 11 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::Would a soft, sky blue suffice?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 06:24, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::A 1x1x1 one should look good <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 06:26 11 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::I think that may be a little impractical...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 06:27, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::We did have a community discussion about the implementation of the navbar, shame you are opposed to democratic process or you could have joined us...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:29, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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hum... the 2 cool navbar is sooo awesome :D i think i am going to copy it and add it to all pages i helped create and improve... lemmesee... the Suburb page, the suburb template, Arbitration, Policy Discussion, the building danger reports, the main page... all these and many others will advertise me, so everybody knows how awesome i am :D --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:57, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:lolz <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:07 13 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::We already know hagnat, and they have to be pages you (or your group) singled handedly sculpted from nothingness fyi, or else it's not really [[2C]], ya dig? Feel free to borrow our awesome navbar for any purpose though.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Willfully ignoring his point, by pretending to take his sarcasm at face value, doesn't change the fact that what you are doing with these pages you create is extremely petty. Demanding to be acknowledged, in such an obnoxious way, as the creator is pathetic. Look at the [[MIC]], Hagnat created that from scratch. The closest thing that I see to your garish navbar is a single category linking to [[:Category:Style Up!]].<br />
:::MIC = Classy <br />
:::ALiM = [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FSpeedy_Deletions%2FArchive%2FOctober-2008&diff=1294396&oldid=1294395 Obnoxious] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:17 14 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::There is one key difference here you are willfully ignoring, ALiM etc pages are fictional lulz, MIC etc are informative pages and are not the place for links to other stuff you've created. Unless of course the other stuff you've created is somehow relevant, in which case go for it! What we do is more comparable to groups listing their allies in a section of their page.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::What? Caiger Mall isn't just as fictional as the great fire? :P<br />
:::::If you want to claim your pages as fictional, non-informative pages, then perhaps you should keep them totally separate from the "factual" side of the wiki, and not implant links to them into suburb, locations and other informative pages?<br />
:::::And no, I don't expect you to do that, I just expect you to concede that there is no clear "fictional" "factual" divide, and that you are placing many of those pages into the community section of the wiki, regardless of the clearly humourous intent in a lot of them.<br />
:::::The [[colloquialisms]] page (the topic under discussion, lolz) is clearly meant to be mostly an informative page, explaining abbreviations, btw. Extremely petty to remove it from the main namespace, and place it in your own private area simply to control it's styling so that you can keep your advertising banner on it.<br />
:::::Perhaps I'll edit the redirect so that it has all the content, without obnoxious banner and group ownership problems? Good idea, wat? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:42 14 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::and waste kevan's precious server space?? I think not...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:55, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::if pages created by ALiM are ''fictional'' and owned by 2 Cool, then [[Template:Amusing Location|this template]] shouldn't have been added to all locations, as its merely advertising your group. There was a similar issue months ago with Dunell Hills Police Dept. overcategorization of buildings, and it was shot dead by The Dead (lol) and with the support of many sysops (myself included). ALiM should either turn into public domain, with a nice and unobtrusive template on its pages, or have all advertise of the ''group'' removed from building, suburb and other public domain pages. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 14:14, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===No longer a 'crat===<br />
Just wanted to say thanks for your work as a 'crat. I know that, ostensibly, it's only supposed to be the power to promote a user to sysop status, but in practise, I think that the 'crat badge is treated in and of itself as a symbol of authority, which makes the bearer almost as much (if not more) of a target than the big K himself, as regards the attraction of drama, criticism and requests for difficult judgement calls. I think you dealt with that pressure admirably. (Now, I'll take my tongue out of your arse so that you can sit down.) --<span style="font-size:90%">[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]]</span> <sup style="font-size:70%">[[Mod_Conspiracy|QT]]</sup> [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|18px]] 20:13, 8 October 2008 (BST) <br />
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===A/VB===<br />
Hey, since the new pre-archive system thingy came in the talk pages don't line up properly. The cyberbob stuff needs to be moved to the new talk page. I was gonna do it but i thought maybe it's an issue with the system (i don't fully understand the whole thing) so yeah, thought i'd let you know. If it relies on the first person doing it manually maybe a small instruction should be placed on the page or something? Also i came here coz i had a feeling karek did it, but karek is gone...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 14:14, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Misconduct===<br />
To make this as fair and equitable as possible, please vote on the decision being rendered [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Final_Ruling|here]]. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:58, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Good god, man, learn to wiki <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:08 7 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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Can you please archive the ruled out misconduct cases ? People are starting to troll on grim earlier one. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 12:59, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===why hello thar===<br />
sarp --[[User:Cyberbob240|brb, church]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[CGR]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 10:21, 26 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Where's ya bin, Bob? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:57 26 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::school and shit --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 12:44, 26 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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===help===<br />
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I seem to have broken talk:suggestions formatting. I have no idea how and am scared to try fix it in case i make things worse! If you are first on line could you take a look? Thanks...--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:44, 25 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I've fixed it for now, by moving a huge chunk of the page to the [[Talk:Suggestions/Overflow1|overflow]] page. That page requires regular cleaning out of old, dead, suggestions discussion to avoid the problem <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 15:02 25 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Error?===<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1270525&oldid=1270524<br />
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The page wont show up, and the talk pages hub shows The 5th of November "Original's" talk page. Care to... help? Thanks. --<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span></font><sup> [[User_talk:Haliman111|T]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 21:09, 10 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Looks like it only affects a couple of edits you made around the same time. Perhaps you just picked the wrong time, while an upgrade was happening (perhaps the recent deletion of the older diff comparisons)? If it doesn't happen again, and your page is fixed now, I wouldn't worry about it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:46 11 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Misunderstood!===<br />
Hey Boxy, I appologize about getting all pissy at you. I thought you may have deleted my stuff but you only moved it to our group page and made it better for us. Please accept my appology. I jumped to conclusions way too quickly.<br />
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Thanks for the help.<br />
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Also,<br />
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Im confused about how to get the Group link to work on our page. Is there an easier way to do it? Im still learning and Im trying to teach my brother and my cousin .-. [[User:SpacemanSpiffReturns|SpacemanSpiffReturns]] 06:53, August 19, 2008<br />
:No problem, I'll give you some more tips on your talk page <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 09:43 19 August 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[A/SD]]===<br />
Dunno what you did but it fucked up the page. Unclosed <> thingys i guess. Anyway i undid it so you might wanna redo whatever it was you were doing.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:54, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Woops, I cut Karek's sig in half when I moved it down. Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 04:05 19 August 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Where were you?===<br />
Simple question. Where were you? So much Drama over the J3D bid. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:18, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Drama? Drama? I saw no such thing...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:38, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Awww, you love it. Anyway, I lost my internet for a week or so. What else, of great importance, did I miss? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 14:54 7 August 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::The soft warning dead horse is being beaten. Again. And i thought we had it well and truly jellied. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 15:27, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You seem to be the only one to use it... we should just warn people on their talk pages, or the AVB talk page... as long as they obviously got the message, they can be referred back to just as well as a pseudo-official A/VB case which only serves to ramp up the drama level <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:18 7 August 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::Yeah what was the end verdict? Keep 'em off A/VB and if you want to let sysops know you can use other channels (Discussion page was suggested) ?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:02, 8 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Suver===<br />
Finally I post there [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Suver|here]]. Sorry for the time and thanks for the attention. --[[User:Standzs|Standzs]] 15:02, 31 July 2008.<br />
:OK, thanks. All that has been moved to the archives already, but it seems that everything worked out without any unwarranted warnings or whatever <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:05 7 August 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Deletions===<br />
Are these all scheduled deletions, or do they need a request? [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special:Unusedimages&limit=250&offset=0]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:54, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Not if they are over a month old, we normally don't do them regularly so that images don't get dropped immediately before they can get used, they do get purged semi-regularly though.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:58, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::So the ones from 2006 should just have gone then? Cheers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:28, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Whenever a page is deleted, many of the images that were on it appear on that page. They're cleared out every now and then (whenever a sysop decides to go through the list). It's actually better if it's not done all that quickly, because if someone wants their page back once they notice it's gone, the images cant be retrieved if they're deleted as well. Image deletion is permanent <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:05 7 August 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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==="Unilateral decision"===<br />
You griped about my "unilateral decision". I dont see how what i did was been any different to what you have been doing for 14 months. Oh, except for me doing it instead of you. Dont bitch and try to start new "tradition" just because theres a faster draw in town. Now, im not adverse to making it so that we have to discuss it first between ourselves in future, but dont go acting as though its always been done, or attacking me because i have merely followed in your glorious unilateral footsteps, because i spoke to Vantar back before Karek was promoted, and there was no cross crat communication on promotions happening back then, and you havent even tried to strike any up prior to now (Or even now, its me doing it). --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:46, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ok. Heres the dealio. You have until J3D's bid comes due to open a discourse with me about it. You can find me in IRC, the rummers will point you in the right direction for me, as will the people in #XIII. If not ill unilaterally reject J3D's bid on multiple grounds, most notably the fact that he wants to focus on A/VB, and his judgement is appallingly bad, such as not spotting Finis for the troll he is and ignoring him, and instead engaging in [[A/VB#User:J3D|multiple]] [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_04#User:J3D|acts]] of vandalism against him. Also, his judgement on several cases is pretty poor, such as assuming poor form = bad faith ([[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_05#User:Whitehouse|Whitehouse case in May this year]]), repeated instances of shitting up A/VB in violation of the page guidelines (See how much of his crap is there in the archives). {{Quote|J3D|This comment is relevant to this vandalism report. kekekekeke--J3DSR! 14:46, 21 June 2008 (BST)}} ([[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_06#User:Goolina|Source, early last month as an example]]).<br />
A [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_06#User:Nallan.2C_User:J3D_and_User:Sexylegsread|Demonstrable history of immaturity]], not to mention attempting to rule on that case in question, which cheese should have soft warned him for at least. In the last couple of months he has become quite the little shit disturber, which is the exact opposite of what he should be doing.<br>Making a mess on A/VB and tossing in how two cents left right and center on the main page instead of the talk, as well as numerous acts of vandalism on his part indicate he has little respect for rules or guidelines except where they serve his interests, and is thus nowhere near appropriate sysopm material. Not now, and most likely not ever, unless he seriously cleans up his act for a very long period of time. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 18:51, 26 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Stuff I'm Thinking About===<br />
I'm seriously contemplating moving barricade plans to group subpages, as it's where they should have been in the first place and will stop all this pointless bickering.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:52, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Trouble with that solution is that it's usualy a collaborative effort between survivor groups/individuals, rather than each group in an area "owning" their own plan <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:02 24 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::UBP subpages for the ones that are UBP group "neutral".--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:20, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I know we ''could'' fit them somewhere, I just don't feel that it is a good thing. They are usually a community resource, and even though they are survivor POV, they should remain as a community page if possible. I don't remember much drama coming from them before the Dunell Hills situation. The occasional dispute about whether a building should be an entry point, or EHB... but meh, that's what arbies is for <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 24 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::This whole thing has gone so far out of proportion. I think the [[Santlerville]] model is the best. Survivor orientated cade plan on the page with the larger plan linked to and a zombie plan linked to from the bottom of the page, everyone's happy.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:31, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Funny J3d, as a zombie minded player I've always found those plans to be more of an insult than most things on the wiki. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small><br />
::::::you talking about the actual cade plans or the zombie 'plans'? I find the zombie ones pretty shitty but if people want them there i figure they should be allowed to, despite the fact that serve no actual purpose...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:37, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::The zombie ones. It's just an excuse to avoid addressing the actual issue.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:39, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::I could see this becoming Wan's a/a case v2.0...the wiki is here to provide information to players, barricade plans (majority enforced ones) do that...while i can understand some people not liking them on the suburb page that should at the very least have a full sized heading explaining the purpose of the cade plan, the major local groups who endorse it and to what scale it is followed with a sizeable link to the actual cade plan because as much as you might not like them they are an important resource for survivor players.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:42, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::That's one of the great ironies about this, they aren't, the other one, of course, is that the same people that use them now will still use them if they're moved off of the suburb pages.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 11:07, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::As a self confessed zombie player you aren't really the right person to judge whether or not cade plans are an important survivor resource. While i agree they are largely bullshit i use them when i'm out of town and need to find an ep, you'd be suprised how often the ep the cade plan points to is the one that is in use, regardless of whether or not i feel it is the most logical choice for an entry point to a resource building. Anyway as to your second point - i agree, so move them to a subpage of the suburb ''but'' keep them well linked so people can find them! If a suburb is having a tantrum then you can look into splitting them into 'group cade plans' or whatever but 99% suburbs don't need that.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:01, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::I'm a zombie player, not an idiot. That being said I have frequently participated in the survivor game for quite some time now, it's both how I started playing and how I ended playing, I classify myself as a zombie player not because I'm biased to their side but because I refuse to associate myself with the "survivor" mindset and I prefer the "zombie" metagame. And to refrain from using a segway I've already used; [[Talk:NPOV|I've had this discussion before]] and wasn't the only one who came to the conclusion, 99% of them aren't followed and never have been(I only know of one suburb that I could ever say consistently did).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small><br />
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::::It's not "an occasional dispute" this has been going on for over 2 years now and it's because of the absurdly POV nature of them that contributes to the general POV nature of the suburb pages. They're group resources<sub>(I doubt you'd dispute that)</sub> it's idiotic for us to leave them on community pages, especially when they never should have been there in the first place. It's a major nuisance and one we should have solved long ago.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:33, 24 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::I've no problem with them coming off the suburb pages. I'll help with that. But I don't think group sub-pages is the place for them. Suburbname Barricade Plan (as seen on [[:Category:Barricade plans]]) would be the place I'd put them <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:37 24 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Bots===<br />
[[:Category:Bots]] could probably use classifying as [[Special:Listusers/Bots]] so the wiki regards them as such, although I'm not exactly sure what the differences are/would be beyond the [[Special:Recentchanges]] filter.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:09, 14 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I'm pretty sure it does something else, but I can't remember off-hand. It would be useful to have them in that user-group though. Means we can filter out Bot edits on recent changes and keep track of "official" bots. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 10:40, 14 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Is it that bot edits (from bots listed by a crat as such in Listuers) are hidden on recent changes? Perhaps we need a bot policy, so that they are approved before having their user status changed, and also making it clear that they can be banned as soon as seen malfunctioning, or when making non approved edits? They should probably have specific purposes, and if they step outside those bounds, be disabled <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 14:01 14 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::Noticed that my bots had suddenly moved up in the world. Thanks for the addition of that user group. As far as a policy/approval group goes, it seems a bit overkill since there's only a few bots, and the fact I'm the only one making them. I try to include a decent overview of their operations (and indeed a message about temporary bans) on their user pages anyway. These things are also only manually operated, the only way they can destroy the wiki is if I'm maliciously inclined or I somehow screw up to the 10th power. The few errors that have happened in the past get reverted by myself, or some nice wiki user if I miss them. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 18:41, 14 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Still, it would get everything all clear cut and shiny. Which is always useful for anyone else wanting to make a bot. If we have it in writing, they know what they can and can't do. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:31, 15 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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===My retardation.===<br />
If I want an image in a frame '''and''' resized, any idea how i'd code it?<br />
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On an unrelated note.In relation to this [[The Great Suburb Group Massacre]] do you think 2 weeks is not enough time? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:25, 12 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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No Boxy, that's not resizing, try--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:13, 12 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Like this? :P <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 17:22 12 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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Cheers chaps, --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:31, 12 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the comments boxy. In answer to your questions.<br />
*Yes. It will be time consuming, about 6 weeks worth in fact. But i reckon I can probably remove 30% of all groups. After which it will be less stressful, they've just never been properly done before.<br />
*In future I will make it burb specific, but for now its just the truly inactive groups im purging. Besides who wants to get dragged into a "Were active in this suburb" debate? A hilly suburb on our western border alone would probably implode if i asked that question. I will make the cahnge but not yet.<br />
*As for the timestamp idea, its possible, Maybe a <nowiki>{{Welcomegroup}}</nowiki> template explaining how things work? But thats for the future, ive only just finished the location pages for vinetown, and i fear my brain will give up...--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:17, 13 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Sigh===<br />
Why must you [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Poulet_Place&diff=1215718&oldid=1209797 ruin everything]!?!?!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:06, 12 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Calling everyone "fucking retards" is not cool on community pages, and the people with the French template on their pages don't have anything to do with the place (it works just as well without the link anyway)... and I like fried chicken :P <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 11:18 12 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::The fucking retards thing was funny, and we need an [[ELiM]] link on the page somewhere. French thing is meh, and wikipedia clearly states that african american's like fried chicken...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 15:14, 12 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'll give you fried chicken :P <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 17:03 12 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::Link plox.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:36, 12 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Wiki===<br />
Hey Boxy, I noticed that at about 1 AM GMT-6, all the wiki's text got much larger. I've check on other sites and deleted all my cookies, etc., so I know it's not my browser. Any info? -{{User:Vigeous/Sig}} 08:36, 11 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Has it cleared itself up? Often closing the browser/puter and restarting fixes these little glitches. Only thing that I can think of is that you may have upped the font size on the page. I use firefox, and occasionally bump the mouse scroll wheel while holding in ctrl. This can change the font size up or down on individual sites while not affecting other web pages in different tabs <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 11:22 12 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Ah, much thanks Boxy! -{{User:Vigeous/Sig}} 20:11, 12 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Warning===<br />
Hey Boxy. :) Can you strike one of my warnings for me? It's been a month and I've made over 250 edits. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 10:40, 8 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Done... fly straight <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 15:34 8 July 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Thank you. :) I'll be good now. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 10:56, 11 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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===RE: Standzs===<br />
Hi. I change that because Standzs is one of my 2 characters and I´m not playing more with it. --[[User:suver|suver]] 15:18, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===My bad===<br />
Sorry, in the swapping over of discussion from main page to talk page, I missed your comment you placed after my rant. I have replied to it now, and I honestly look forward to hearing more.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 14:55, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===RE: Cheap shot===<br />
[[ALiM|;)]] --{{User:Nallan/sig}} 13:57, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Aqua Teen Template Force===<br />
{{boxy}}<br />
You get a Play on Names Template. Why? You really need a reason? Fine. Cause we are the Aqua Teens, make the homeys say ho and the girlies wanna scream. Number one in the hood, G. Enjoy. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 02:58, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Imposter/Impersonation type sig===<br />
[[User:Bronz93|Bronz93]] has a sig which makes me believe that the user is trying to impersonate boxy (you) right [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1196999| here]] and also [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1197419| here]]. Just look at it [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:Boxy_like_sig.jpg here]]. --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 01:53, 24 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:I don't think he's trying to impersonate me, but I've asked him to remove it anyway. No idea what that's all about <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 07:34 24 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Election===<br />
Crat election is over. Time to tally the votes, check for socks, and do whatever else needs to be done. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 07:54, 21 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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There was some UD flooding that I saw on a spray paint in the game yesterday. It's probably still there. <br />
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--{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 08:02, 21 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:I find it funny how about half the gnome votes are really anti-me votes :D --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 09:58, 21 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Congratz, dammit. Ye've thwarted me plans, fer now... also, I don't know who sprayed that message. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:13, 23 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Nooo....neither do i... *looks left, looks right, fades into the night*--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:33, 23 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Why===<br />
Template groups?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:21, 17 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:So that we can track when groups are added to the list, and perhaps, in the future, set up a system where groups can be removed regularly if not updated... a fringe benefit may be that edit conflicts on the group lists doesn't mean that the whole page needs locking <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:54 17 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Makes sense, me likey.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 14:01, 17 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===A/A===<br />
Use my talk page if you wanna talk to me.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:06, 10 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Warning===<br />
{{quote|boxy|Please do not place humourous suggestions in the main suggestions section on this wiki. Continuing this behaviour may lead to your editing privileges being revoked.}}<br />
And lord knows, my life would be cast adrift in purposelessness if that ever happened! Please, somebody hold me! [[User:SporeSore|SporeSore]] 12:30, 6 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Banning===<br />
I don't know if I did it correctly, but I don't want it to look like I went power mad. Nemesis Omega came up under the same IP as Mister Game and to me that is a sock puppet account. If I screwed it up, I wanted to come to you first and say, 'hey, did I do this right?'. I don't dabble in the bannings and floggings and what-nots very often. So if I screw them up I would hope that someone would correct me and not instantly misconduct me. Thanks.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 15:43, 9 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Come *ON*.===<br />
Like you didn't see [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Misconduct_Cases_Currently_Under_Consideration this] coming.--[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 06:32, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Of course I did. Meh <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 09:51 5 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Vandalism===<br />
If you really want to get all worked up about someone committing real vandalism there's some extremely funky stuff going on on Tselita's talk page that is being ignored.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:00, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Are you talking about her reworking posts even when made by a sysop in an official manner? Or the ugly color scheme and layout? Sometimes I think we need some sort of Style Policy or at least a Tacky Escalation ladder.- :)-{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:18, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Pfft. I didn't delete his posts - I deleted them, and if he didnt mix 'official sysop' posts with unofficial personal attacks I wouldn't have had to bother to. Don't want me to delete your posts on my user page? Simple solution - don't post there. Read the rules for my user page on the top. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 16:21, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Listen up, idiot. If you don't want him to post on your page, don't fucking reply to, or start ranting about him when you delete his posts. It's not a complicated concept, even for a chick <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:45 5 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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:::While we're at it, why don't you give Gardenator a warning for writing harassing posts on my user page as well 'talking about labias' - Nah that would be fair and unbiased and we all love the Goons, don't we Nubis and Karek? --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 16:24, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::If he edits your post to spell out LABIA I will personally give him a warning for vandalism. Until then saying "dirty" words is not against the rules.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:32, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Piss off to your own talk pages <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:45 5 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Images===<br />
After 17 days of slaving away Rosslessness and I have brought the amount of uncategorized images down to 1390. There are a few images in there that are [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:PDA_Badge.jpg deleted]] but won't go away (same with the uncategorized pages). I plan on going through the main categories and cross referencing any images that can go in more than one, but we figured getting all of them in at least one was the main goal. Soon you will be able to remove the link from your sig! Just keeping you updated in case you missed it. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 20:33, 4 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:That's a lot of work, great stuff. :D --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:38, 4 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::I'm going to make a medal for those two first chance I get...--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 21:43, 4 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I hope its shaped like a cookie..... 1343 by the way. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:12, 4 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::I hope it is all text! No more images! :P--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 01:42, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yep, nice work, and yeah, I of course noticed your recent changes spamming ;) I would have rather that all the categories were put in first time... but it's such a big job (probably what ground me to a halt on the project) that I'm not complaining <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 03:20 5 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:There are also some images that change category with usage. I think going back through them will also help cut down on the dups that are just different sizes because the user may not know how to alter the size in the code or forget what they named it when they uploaded it. And I agree - those survivors love their ribbons! --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:47, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ribbons, they've all got to have their own set. Just doesn't fit for me, the flavour of organised military groups just isn't right... but then again, organised zombie hordes are even more out of flavour, so meh <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:55 5 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::A category for awards/medals would be best i feel. Thats the only major "gap" in the current system. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:42, 5 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::It's starting to get there. But the original RRF style flavor was good for the game ''and'' fit a kinda different concept of what a zombie was.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:36, 6 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Uncategorizedimages DONE - DONE - DONE!]] So help me if you sysops let that image list get that long again I will (insert generic threat here and add extra venom!) Now for Part 2. :/ --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:39, 7 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Do you have super secret powerful delete powers? We have a list of about 3 images and 4 or so pages that just won't go away. We thought maybe the Crat position had something we didn't. If not, would Kevan have the ability? I have a list on my talk page titled '''Special Delete'''. Thanks.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 22:08, 13 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Nope, no idea how to get rid of those pages, they're buggy. Krazy Monkey worked out how to get rid of a few annoying pages like those, but it doesn't work with them, afaik <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 04:57 14 June 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Arby's===<br />
We need you to accept J3D or not accept him. We're waiting on you to start this case up. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:33, 2 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Res: Blanking Pages===<br />
:The only pages I request for deletion are the ones that I have personally made with this wiki account or my former one (N dG). In the future I will go about with the proper procedure that you have explained. Thanks. --[[User:Nick nitroz|Nick Nitroz]] 15:16, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Wah?===<br />
Any thought on whats passing for [[News]] today? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:57, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like the implementation of a suggestion that someone made here a while ago. Perhaps only on the [[suggestions talk page]] though. Hope repairing long ruined buildings gets an XP bonus <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:02 28 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Im just glad that work on Monroeville seems a bit more pointfull now. Wonder what else Kevan has got planned for MV?--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:30, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Help meh Boxy!!===<br />
Why isn't [[Penny Heights Police Department|this]] redirect working? I want it to redirect to [[PHPD]] like you suggested, but it won't. Did I break the wiki?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:51, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Don't worry boxington, i helped the noob and thus saved the day. No sweat. Although perhaps a [[sandpit]] in repayment?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:04, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::wtf you did nothing! NOTHING! Boxeh I still need you! Jed was the last one to touch the page so it's not my fault if the wiki is fucked.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 12:09, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::The redirect works fine. If it isnt working for you, clear your cache. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 12:15, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Works for me too... should have worked with your earlier versions as well... probably what Grim said <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:27 28 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
And you wouldn't have to worried about removing your own [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Deletions&diff=next&oldid=1164228 deletion request], no one is going to VB you for that, but moving it down to the resent actions section would be a better idea than simply wiping it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:36 28 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:yeah nick you r-tard.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:38, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ah got it. Works now. Is there anything teh cache can't do? I submit that there is not.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 12:48, 28 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Well it's not [[ALiM|LOL]], that's for sure.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:25, 29 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Minor edit===<br />
Can you discuss w/ the other sysops about changing the error on the bureaucrat policy? Specifically, it says: "This policy does not effect any account that Kevan may use as a wiki admin account;" effect should be changed to affect.<br />
--[[User:Larspcus2|Larspcus2]] 00:19, 20 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:I don't think we need to bother anyone else for something so minor. Thanks, that should have it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 02:55 20 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===:O===<br />
[[User:Boxy|Someone]] [[User talk:Penny Black|used to]] have a templated sig! What turned you against 'em?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:00, 19 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Did you stuff the second link up? Couldn't find a sig of mine there, but yeah, I used one [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Boxy/sig a few times], just don't like them. 1) I figure the sig you use on a page should stay there instead of being changed later, 2) They contribute to stuffing pages up (like the [[suggestions talk page]] occasionally) 3) meh <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 03:00 20 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Ah yeah, i did. I had 2 user talks open both called Penny _____, there was that one and another. Anyway it did have a sig of yours on it. Templated sigs do make edit pages a lot cleaner though...also have you seen the awesome new ALiM navbar?? It totally rox!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:54, 20 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Jamie's Headerpage templates===<br />
Thank you Boxy for moving them to the right place, I did not know what name to put the under. By the way; what did you think of them, not very good are they.--[[User:Jamie Cantwell3|<span style="color: DARKRED">Jamie Cantwel3</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Jamie Cantwell3|<span style="color: DARKGREEN">Talk</span></sup>]]''All glory to the Hypnotoad!'' 04:25, 18 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:I've seen worse ;) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 04:34 18 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
Sorry I stuffed up [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template%3ADepression&diff=1146706&oldid=1146608 this one on you]. But you could have fixed it by simply putting a backslash (/) in the last noinclude tag. The noinclude tags (<nowiki><noinclude>xxxx</noinclude></nowiki>) mean that whatever you put between the tags shows up on the page, but when the template is used on another page (like your user page) that text doesn't get included (hence noinclude) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 04:41 18 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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Ok I will remember that next time thanks.--[[User:Jamie Cantwell3|<span style="color: DARKRED">Jamie Cantwel3</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Jamie Cantwell3|<span style="color: DARKGREEN">Talk</span></sup>]]''All glory to the Hypnotoad!'' 23:13, 18 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Page Moving===<br />
I figured I'd ask you this, considering you're the only Sysop I really know.<br />
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[[The_Imperium]] have several pages that I think should really be sub pages, such as the [[Imperial_Guard]] and [[Imperial_Inquisition]]. They also have their own page for [[Pk]] reporting, which I also think should be a sub page. <br />
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Thanks in advance for any help.<br />
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--{{User:Ashley Valentine/sig}} 16:50, 14 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh gawd... so many pages... so little point <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:21 15 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Why was the page moved at the request of someone else? There's other groups with similar setup such as the DEM.--{{User: Garviel Loken/Sig}}22:28, 15 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Those other groups where already like that long before I got here, and fixing them up is a huge job. Makes my head hurt just thinking about it. Basically, all group sub pages should be in that format. It makes it much easier for people to know who's pages they are (important to make it clear that non members should not edit them), especially if the main group page is later deleted (not all that likely in your case), and it means that multiple groups can have similarly named pages without fighting about who owns the "Imperial Guard" (for example) page. I know it may seem like mindless bureaucracy to you, but it really does help if everyone sticks to this sort of system as much as possible, as new members copy how other established groups do thing <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 08:12 16 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[A/VD]]===<br />
For some bizarre reason i'm not trusted to edit that page so instead i'm coming here to tell you to remove a [ from Karek's entry, minor i know but still it shouldn't be there.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:25, 12 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fixed it, thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:12 12 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[Talk:Suggestions]]===<br />
Templated sigs don't seem to be showing up on this page. Is it like that for you? Any clues as to cause/solution?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:05, 7 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yeah. Solution ==> Don't use templated sigs :P <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 09:45 7 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::Is there an easy way to do that other than copy and pasting from a word document every time you need to sign? --{{User:Pdeq/sig}} 09:51, 7 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::If your sig coding isn't too long, just put it in the nickname box (in your preferences) instead of a link to your sig page <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 09:55 7 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:My understanding is when the page gets too big templates start breaking, so stuff needs to get moved to archives. Or something like that. --{{User:Pdeq/sig}} 08:07, 7 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yeah, that's it basically. There is a limit on the number of templates that can be displayed on any page (in the hundreds I think). Once it reaches the limit, all templates on the page are broken, not just the sig templates. The talk suggestions page requires regular cleaning out <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 09:45 7 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::oh yeah i forgot you hated them...should have asked someone else. That page shouldn't be archived, i think if it breaks 'em again i'll just adopt the policy of if its no longer being discussed it can be deleted...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:21, 7 May 2008 (BST)<br />
::::There is actually a policy for that somewhere. Something about 5 days with no discussion, and you put a warning. [[User:Karek|Karek]] used to do a lot of deleting of old stuff, so he's pretty knowledgable about (1) how to remove old discussions and (2) how to move suggestion discussion that have now been put up for voting. --{{User:Pdeq/sig}} 21:24, 7 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::There's no limit to number of template calls, there is however a file size limit so only so many kilobytes of data can be called. And it's two days without discussion for a deletion notice and 7 for removal.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:17, 8 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[ELiM]]===<br />
I thought you'd like to know! :) :) :)--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 03:49, 3 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hahaha, I see you've sanitised the ALiM talk page... can't have none of that nasty dissent now can we >:) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:00 7 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::twas me, and feel free to come back and dissent more, just don't expect the conversation to linger when you've cleared off. ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:25, 9 May 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Whatever you say, finis <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:54 9 May 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::hahahahahahahahahhahahahaha FUCK YOU! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:03, 10 May 2008 (BST)<br />
Click [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Amusing_Locations_in_Malton/Archive#.22The_Boxy_Incident.22 here] if you ever want to relive the good 'ol days ;) --{{User:Nallan/sig}} 09:29, 26 May 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Old Policies===<br />
I still actually haven't had time to figure out the policy cycling stuffs, otherwise I'd get to this. Anyway, the following policy discussions have been up for like a month. [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Inappropriate usernames|Inappropriate usernames]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Bureaucrat Election Tweak|Bureaucrat Election Tweak]], and [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/NPOV|NPOV]].--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:22, 26 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:They should be archived, I believe. The limit is two weeks, I think. Although most people don't archive/withdraw it at that point because it is counterproductive if there is still discussion. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:02, 26 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yeah, they're archived in withdrawn policies (unless there's still active, productive discussion going on) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 00:03 27 April 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===jejejeje===<br />
lololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol--[[User:Shakey60|Shakey60]] 16:03, 23 April 2008 (BST)<br />
===Akule's bid===<br />
Akule's promotion bid should have been closed four days ago. And axe appears to have declined his promotion bid. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 04:53, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Gee, I wonder why? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 04:54, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Something I thought you should see===<br />
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAxe_Hack&diff=1112386&oldid=1112355 This], which seems pretty close to vandalism actually considering it's a stones throw away from him making accounts under different IPs and voting for himself. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:28, 18 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:You want a screenshot of the IM? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:29, 18 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Never mind...I provided the screenshot on Vantar's talk. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 20:42, 18 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's idiocy. It won't help the bid, just like the goon meatpubbitry wont hinder it.<br />
:::I didn't know that till 15 minutes ago, now did I? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 01:06, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Bit late now, isn't it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 01:36 19 April 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::Isn't that actually in the text on that very page?--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:37, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::On [[A/BP]] only, I believe. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:39, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::That would make no sense, [[A/BP]] ''is'' a vote.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:40, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::You mean meatpuppetry? That's what I mean. ''Sockpuppetry is considered vandalism.'' --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:42, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::But I didn't use a sockpuppet, now did I? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 01:44, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::It says on [[A/PM]], "'''''This is not a vote'''. It is instead merely a request for comments from the wiki community''", and I would expect anyone wanting to become a sysop to know that it wasn't a vote. It's not helped by people putting up tallies though <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 01:44 19 April 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::Now I have always thought it was a vote. At least, that was my interpretation of that statement. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 01:54, 19 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Recent Rulings in Impersonation Vandal Cases===<br />
You may want to read down to a couple of cases on the vandal banning admin page where similar cases have been brought up. Hagnat and you see this issue in two very different lights. He ruled not vandalism where you have ruled vandalism. Not that it matters but I agree with you. No matter what it says at the top of a page, a signed post has to be protected to ensure integrity of the wiki. --{{User:Showcase/sig}} 18:02, 18 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:He ruled not vandalism in a case where a goon signed unattributed posts as his own, I ruled vandalism where a few goons claimed that stuff they had written themselves were actually written by another user. There is a big difference between the two... but they'd better not push the point on Hagnat's ruling... it's not that far away from being bad faith <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 18:30 18 April 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Ah. I see. This is why you are the sysop and I am not :) Thanks for the clarification. --{{User:Showcase/sig}} 20:31, 18 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Location Editing==<br />
'''[[User talk:Boxy/Locations|Locations talk archive]]''':<br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
'''[[User talk:Boxy/Suggestions|Suggestion talk archive]]''':<br />
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===Help===<br />
I just added a new suggestion for voting and clicked save not preview.... now I can't sort out the vote section. If you are still online help would be much appreciated. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I hope that's what you wanted <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 11:24 21 February 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Exactly what I needed... thanks. I probably would have got there eventually but not before spamming recent changes with about 300 revisions and annoying the hell out of you and whoever else was watching. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Good oh. It could have been a real nightmare trying to get it fixed while getting edit conflicted by voters :) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 11:46 21 February 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::Yeah I was worried about that, especially as some asshat would probably have tried to crucify me for editing a suggestion after it went up for voting :) Anyway, thanks again and I promise to try not to do it again.--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 12:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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===Request for moving to Removed Suggestions===<br />
I edited my own suggestion to put a clarification in, didn't realize it was not allowed when there are votes already in place. I apologize for my error.<br />
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Link to suggestion: [[Suggestion:20080208_Emergency_first_aid_kits_in_buildings]] --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 12:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I rolled your edit back before anyone voted, so there's no harm done. If you want to withdraw it for revision you can. I would suggest putting it on the [[suggestions talk page]] before taking it back to voting however <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:54 8 February 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Instructions on withdrawing suggestions can be found [[Suggestions:Cycling_Instructions#Revised|here]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:57 8 February 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::Cool, thanks for the instructions. I put it back into suggestion discussion for now while I work the kinks. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 13:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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===Ruins===<br />
You said:<br />
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# Change - make it so that this only applies from the street, not inside, otherwise there is no way to know if you are going to end up outside when you try to freerun -- boxy talk • i 07:03 20 January 2008 (BST) <br />
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I have two responses. The derisive and the sensible. Since i am in a generous mood for typing today, i shall present both:<br />
#Derisive: OH EM GEE! IT COSTS 1 EXTRA AP TO CROSS A RUIN! RUIN IS RUINING TEH GAME WIHT RUINZ!!!<br />
#Sensible: If you get knocked out of teh free running system by a stealth ruin, you have an entry point ''right there'' with which to re-enter the system. It makes travel a little more hazardous for humans? Good! My Brain rotted Pker finds life far, far too easy despite shooting people up in MALLS. Humans had an easy enough time finding places to hide and entry points after ransack was introduced, and to be fair, this would serve as a nice hazard to the human mobility advantage. It would also encourage people to be a little more coordinated and fix ruins faster. As for seeing ruins from inside a building: How on earth could people see a ruin from inside a neighbouringt building when they cant even see ruin from outside? Are all buildings now equipped with X-ray windows? It would be a nice hazard that would *gasp* present a risk to human survival. Much better than the only risk being the tiny risk of being killed by a zombie or pker. The only way for a sensible human to die at the moment is bad luck. A brain rot Pker thriving in a suburb with semi regular breakins illustrates this quite ably. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 08:10, 20 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Hope you don't mind, but I moved this to the [[Suggestion_talk:20080120_make_ruins_not_visible_from_other_blocks#Ruins|suggestion talk page]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:10 20 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Bang sticks===<br />
Assault rifle had 1 keep o kills and 5 spam, not o keep, 1 kill and 5 spam, at least give the author credit for voting for himself!--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:lol, yep, my mistake <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:36 5 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Yet more evidence i'm in love with '''recent changes'''--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::You jumped the gun by four hours. they have to stay up 6 hours before removal is possible. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 13:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Hmmm, it looks like you're right, but [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestions:Cycling_Instructions&diff=prev&oldid=901498 Funt changed the rules]... I thought extremely obvious spams could be removed early <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:56 5 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::But then the old [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestions&oldid=646542#Removing_Suggestions page] didn't include that bit. I dunno, anyway, I'll leave it 6 hours <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 14:01 5 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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==Moderation==<br />
'''[[User talk:Boxy/Moderation|Moderation talk archive]]'''<br />
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===Junk that is Upsetting Me===<br />
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I'm not going to lie...<br />
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[[:Image:MartyisCrazy.jpg]]<br />
[[:Image:ActionMarty.jpg]] <---- needs more [http://www.floridasrealestatemarketplace.com/xSites/Agents/mariorodriguez/Content/UploadedFiles/MARIOS%20PICTURE%20BY%20ZAMIRA.jpg MSPaint hair]. [[User:Kid sinister|Kid sinister]] 22:40, 12 April 2008 (BST)<br />
[[:Image:Martywtf.gif]]<br />
[[Image:Advicetips.jpg]]<br />
[[:Image:Atruefriend.jpg]]<br />
[[:Image:Martyposter.jpg]]<br />
[[:Image:Headertwo.jpg]]<br />
[[Image:Advicetips2.jpg]]<br />
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This stuff does bother me, them making fun of me I could care less... but they are going after my family now... Dude, I'm really unhappy about this... <br />
It is not fair that they should be able to find me and my family and I have no idea who these people are... Please get rid of this garbage... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 23:04, 13 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:How are they going after your family? And how is deleting that stopping them from going after your family? --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:54, 13 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::That is my father's image... and as I recall... http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Copyrights they are violating a HUGE edict... and come on... this is a personal attack... it is gross public spectacle at it's worst... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 00:24, 14 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'm man enough to admit I did lol at 'Action Marty'... but they are seriously taking it too far, you guys need to police this before it goes any further... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 00:39, 14 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::What image is your fathers? The one looking like Colonel Sanders or the Action Figure guy? Unless you mean the cartoon they keep spoofing. And they're breaking the copyright rules. They are not reproducing it but instead creating entirely new images. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:30, 14 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::who looks older? lol... and they are... I never gave them permission to use my image for that... those images are mine... and one of them comes from another website... I own all of those images... they need my permission and they sure as hell aren't getting it... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 02:44, 14 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::If you uploaded a picture of an orange and I put that orange in another picture with other fruits I found on the internets I could do that. But if I just recopied your image and uploaded it then I'd be stealing. I've listened to Akule and his copyright rants to know the ins and outs of this. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:51, 14 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Okay, then it doesn't violate wiki policy copyright wise... but you must see this for what it is... come on, they are not being subtle about what they are doing; this violates every common decency, it is something that should not be tolerated regardless of whether it violates 'a rule in the books'... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 05:55, 14 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::I'm pretty sure creators have rights over derivative works of their creations as well as exact copies. See [http://www.ucl.ac.uk/learningtechnology/legal/copyright/faq.html#modify here], [http://www.tasi.ac.uk/advice/managing/copyright_faq.html here] (scroll to FAQ 9), [http://www.ihaveawebsite-nowwhat.co.uk/copyright-facts-and-myths.htm here] (scroll to "If I make up my own stories, based on a similar work, my new work belongs to me."), and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works#History here] (first paragraph of history section). Still, I'd advise against bringing the copyright policy into this - in practice it's not enforced, and there's been a lot of drama around it in the past. --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 02:47, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Technically, it could fall under parody, but can easily be considered libel (slander with written works), however I doubt you will be able to do much in the courts. With the current way we are handling the policy on [[UDWiki:Copyrights|copyrights]] is to cite the information before we draft a letter to eventually get permission. Did you create the original yourself, or did you modify the drawn image for yourself? Your best bet would be to talk about vandal banning for the attacks or at the very least put forth an arbitration against them to prevent them from putting up and keeping these types of images. Unfortunately that will just get them to put them up elsewhere and just add more fuel to the fire. Wiki-wise a case could be argued for impersonation as you are not stating the things the pictures are saying, but I'd just go with the fact that they are making a lot of bad faith edits through picture harassment. Either way you should have a good case for an arbitration against them. If they don't appear before the arbitration you can get a ruling made against them by default, so they will have to bring their case forth. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 02:50, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I'm not convinced you actually know what libel is, so I'd suggest not throwing that word around until you get a real handle on it. Clearly the images are parodying Marty's in-game persona. We're hopefully all adults here, so if you are unable to withstand a bit of ridicule without screaming libel of all things then maybe a more child-friendly game would be more appropriate. By the way Marty, love the new template. Oh no, I mean I'll be pressing for a libel/bad faith/vandal case '''''immediately''''' of course --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 09:27, 15 April 2008 (BST) <br />
{{SADEL}}<br />
:::::::::::I'd explain it to you, but I have come to find that people typically ignore large blocks of text, so I see no reason to do so. After looking over your post, I do think you could benefit from going [http://www.rif.org/ here]. The point is that Marty would prefer that you stop harassing him, thus my advice to take it to vandalism or arbitration, not to make an actual case in a court of law against you and your fellow "goons". --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:40, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::The point is the images they used as a source are my property, I'm asking that they be removed from the wiki. My rights over control of those images do not end just because the images were edited and uploaded under a different name... They may not be violating wiki policy but they are violating my rights laid forth in the US Copyright Act of 1976 by editing and reposting. I'm request that these images be permanently removed from the wiki. As for arbitration, I am not going to have a big shoutfest with them for their enjoyment. No permission was given to them to modify or upload those images, they need to be removed...<br />
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::::::::::::'''US Copyright Act'''<br />
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::::::::::::Derivative Works: <br />
::::::::::::http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#103<br />
:::::::::::::See Subsections (a) and (b)<br />
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::::::::::::Protections: <br />
::::::::::::http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106a<br />
:::::::::::::See Subsection (a), Line (3)<br />
::::::::::::--[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 23:29, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::There is certainly [[Talk:Battle_of_the_Bear_Pit#Images_Deleted|precedence]] for having the images outright deleted. I'd find an active sysop and request that they speedy delete those images following [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Deletions&diff=prev&oldid=498922 this precedent] then. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:37, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::That's all mighty impressive but sadly has nothing to do with this. With regards the US Copyright Act, please read up on Fair Use, specifically Parody and Fair Use. Nice little starter right here: [http://www.publaw.com/parody.html]. Akule, if you're going to pretend to have some kind of knowledge on this subject then fair enough, but please try not to lead people astray. Hell there wouldn't even be a case if we were profiting from the images and you should know that. I'm kind of sad that the first reaction to someone making fun of '''''your fictional zombie fighting character''''' is to resort to vague legalese, what a world. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 00:07, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::: I am not a lawyer but since MartyBanks uploaded [[:Image:Martyfires pistol.jpg|this image]] doesn't that mean permission to use the image on the wiki was granted? Because to claim otherwise would involve saying you did not give yourself permission to upload the image. The only options I can see for you right now are arbitration or ignore it. Also I thought the wiki was under British jurisdiction so why are we citing American laws? (and why is this all on boxy's talk page?)- [[User:Vantar|Vantar]] 00:16, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::: Disgraceful. This is no place for common sense man, this is about high-drama and lofty legal minds! I bet you haven't even read a Grisham novel lately have you? NO. Just as I thought. The key to success? Surprise witnesses, each more surprising than the last. The defense rests.--[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 00:24, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Let me get this straight... Marty is claiming ownership of his own father's likeness? Futhermore, he's claiming an image stored on SeaHouse Realty, Inc.'s website as his own property? [[User:Kid sinister|Kid sinister]] 00:22, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::Unfortunately it does. So, you'd like to argue copyright law then? Not a problem. First read the [[Copyright]] page, the [[International Copyright]] page, and of course the [[UDWiki_talk:Moderation/Policy_Discussion/Citerion_13_-_Speedy_Deletion_of_Copyrighted_Images#Let.27s_Learn_Copyright_Law| Let's Learn Copyright Law lesson]] before you proceed. Now, because we are talking about the ''UD wiki'' and not '''a court of law''', you'll want to ignore all of those pages and just pay attention to precedent on the ''UD wiki'' for author requests of deletion of copyrighted images. Aside from the fact that the images are clearly bad faith edits and thus are subject to deletion and you are subject to vandal banning with [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2007_01#Faerie_Queen precedent here], he is the principle author of said images and can request that subsequent images be deleted as not only is there is a very few instances of allowance for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing fair dealing] in the UK but there is [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Deletions&diff=prev&oldid=498922 precedent] for this sort of thing on the ''UD wiki''. Oh, and yes, we need to know UK law as the UD wiki is hosted in the UK, not in the US. Thanks for dropping by though. ''':)''' --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:27, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::: Please Akule, this is just getting embarrassing. I shan't bother to chuck a dozen links into this paragraph but please just imagine I have, as apparently linking to something adds +2 relevancy to the linkee, even when wrong. I was going to ask you what you were linking to those two "precedent" cases for when neither have anything to do with this case, one simply parrotting everything someone said and the other being someone having their original artwork removed from the wiki, but then I came to the realisation that trying to talk to you was dramatically removing my will to live. Please tell me more about the precedents that have been set in a dozen other unrelated cases, it's utterly fascinating to me and will eventually uncover the essential truth of the matter at hand, much to your credit. All my love, --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 00:41, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::Yeah, that's basically the response I expected. Hence why I didn't bother to explain libel to you. Let me [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning&diff=prev&oldid=531374 make it easier]. One link to follow. Read up on harassment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:44, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::Harassment? They're parody images of a ficitonal character and they're on our talk page. This thing was dead in the water from the word go. LET'S NEVER FIGHT AGAIN. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 00:51, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::Oh? [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Dunell_Hills&diff=prev&oldid=1103995 Are] [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Dunell_Hills&diff=prev&oldid=1098165 they]? AwwWww. I couldn't fight with you. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:56, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
So in other words, copypasta them + host elsewhere regardless. >.> --[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FUser%3AKarloth_vois Karloth Vois] <sup>[http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.urbandead.com%2Findex.php%2FRed_Rum RR]</sup> 00:38, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:That would get by the whole copyright quagmire, yes. Just not the harassment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:44, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::Akule, please explain libel to me and how it pertains to images that actually are the property of SeaHouse Realty, Inc. when Marty Banks isn't an legal representative of said company? [[User:Kid sinister|Kid sinister]] 01:06, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You'll notice how I asked if he owned the images, right? If he doesn't own the original images it's not going to be a copyright issue, as he didn't own the original images to begin with and thus would have no claim to them in UK law. Now, on to your actual question. [http://www.expertlaw.com/library/personal_injury/defamation.html Here]'s a good explanation of libel. The reason why I said it would be hard to do in a court of law is the fact that he'd have a hard time proving that he actually '''had''' damages. That doesn't mean that some lawyers wouldn't take the case. Anything for money, right? ;) Of course, you're just focusing on the few snippets of what I said that you should ''not''' be focusing on. What you should be focusing on is to see if any of the images constitute harassment of marty, hence the link to the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning&diff=prev&oldid=531374 precedent]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 01:14, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Ahahahaha all that build up and you just linked to an article I could have just Googled anyway? You lazy turd.<br />
::::Why the fuck should I "focus" on something that is completely meritless? If we're going to play that game, then I hereby demand that this be taken down because allowing it anywhere on the net instantly gives AIDS to 250,000 schoolchildren or something:<br />
{{SADEL}} [[User:Kid sinister|Kid sinister]] 04:32, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Akule's promotion bid===<br />
His bid will be ending soon, and considering the wide ranging opinions expressed I thought some discussion would be good before we made the decision. He has shown consistent understanding of the rules and demonstrated interest in maintaining the wiki the copyright image categorization but historically he has been near the center of a lot of drama, which is not the most desirable trait for an op. <br />
What are your thoughts? - [[User:Vantar|Vantar]] 04:24, 13 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, he knows the rules, but seems overly keen to use the knowledge to annoy rather than help, as per the copyright drama and other examples of input to a/vb or the like... <small>besides, the promotion bid was started on April 1, by Anime ;)</small> <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 04:35 13 April 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::In the past, I have been condescending in pointing out rules that were not followed or used against people unfairly, because I was speaking with sysops; whom I felt should have epitomized the rules that they maintained. The copyright fight was one such instance, but as pointed out, I was able to get that topic addressed to a point where people actually ''cared'' one way or another and then my biggest opponent during that time, Hagnat, and I worked out a compromise worked out a way that would benefit everyone. You'll note that since then I haven't put up one image for deletion, rather if I find a copyrighted image, I put in the proper copyright information for the citation and categorize it correctly. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 02:40, 15 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===OI===<br />
[[:Category:Dunell Hills Military Zone|You missed a spot]], jackass. Do the whole job or don't do it at all. {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 11:23, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===A/VB===<br />
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FVandal_Banning&diff=1096659&oldid=1096654 How Comforting].--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:38, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Hmm===<br />
How did this get screwed up? Anyway, [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Jordan_Salafack|This]] still needs doing and I'd very much dislike having to do it myself considering I was the one who reported him.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:33, 1 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:I'll have a look <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 00:00 2 April 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::It's a bit of a mess, but I've gotta run <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 00:15 2 April 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::As long as it's done. It was the last thing in march that needed closing, I think, so I can archive it later today after double checking now.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 00:53, 2 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Editing teh Wiki==<br />
'''[[User talk:Boxy/Wiki|Editing talk archive]]''':<br />
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===err...===<br />
any chance you can help [[User_talk:J3D#Help|this guy]] out? Thanks.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:55, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===hey boxy===<br />
hey boxy<br />
i know you are way busy modign the wiki and you dont have time for <br />
looking for stuff but sence u have seen just about every wiki page evermade here i was wondering if you have seen a wiki page with the little picture saying<br />
"this user has visited ackland mall and the templates like that<br />
i was going to add some to my page<br />
well if you can drop a comment on my talk page thanks<br />
[[User:tomer|tomer]] mall tour 07/X:00<br />
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===Thanks...sorta.===<br />
Thanks for fixing my grammar/spelling errors on the Cockburn page. However i don't think its really your place to remove the link to 73, if he wanted to he could have. I thought you would be happy that real history was being incorporated into the location's history, apparently not.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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===Quick Question===<br />
Just a couple questions regarding Wiki ethics; Would it be considered improper to edit the spelling on someones user page even if the user is not an obvious newb? And what about changing the wording to produce correct grammar or to provide clarity? -[[User:Ablesentinel|AbSent]] 16:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I wouldn't, unless I was pretty sure they wouldn't mind. Ask them on their talk page first is the best bet <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 21:53 29 February 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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=== Question ===<br />
Is it okay to delete irrelevant discussion on discussion pages? Example: there's stuff on the Building Types discussion page that's just no longer relevant. Okay to delete it, you think? --<span style="font-size:90%">[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]]</span> <sup style="font-size:70%">[[Mod_Conspiracy|QT]]</sup> [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|18px]] 18:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Sure, if it's really irrelevant, I guess. I'd make a section at the bottom of the page, and label it for deletion, and give it a week or two there. After that, if no-one has seen fit to save it to an archive, delete it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:13 16 February 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Hey.===<br />
That is not my character. Please ask before creating pages that are not necessary. Thank you. {{unsigned|Nny7229|21:07, February 5, 2008}}<br />
:Well it was a character page in the wrong namespace, you created it, so it got moved to your page. Sorry if it wasn't yours, but we get a heap of pages in the wrong place like that, and waiting for a reply from every one of their authors would mean that many of them would never get put right <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 22:00 5 February 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Thank you===<br />
Thank you Boxy, for the help with my chef page.--[[User:Jamie Cantwell3|Jamie Cantwell3]] 06:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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===Interference Links===<br />
Please ''stop'' adding them, read the page's talk page, a page with that purpose already exists and is where all current data on the matter is and has been going since the day of the update. It's also in the footnote at the bottom of the page. The [[Interference]] page is pretty much nothing but unneeded content spam.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 07:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I think a page is needed on this development <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 07:46 29 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::That isn't it. If you want a page that is about the flavor and what is meant by interference fix that one up, but don't use it as a link to how interference effects building barricades as that is misleading. As such it doesn't belong on the [[barricades]] page until it has content itself, or at the very least relevance to the [[barricades]] page, such as is the case with the stub [[door]].--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 07:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Well people arn't going to be able to provide the information in one place unless there's a link to it so they can find it, and know that their information is needed. (I can't update it, because I'm not playing a survivor in a siege, but I'd love to know what the effect is (both flavour and percentages wise). Would you be happy to have the link in the footnote area? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 07:58 29 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::A link in the footnote area is more than fine. You should be able to fit it in nicely as part of Note 3.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 08:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for taking up this cause Boxy. I was in exactly that situation (wanting to help coalesce knowledge on the subject without having any term or handle for the idea). That's the intent of the Interference page, and I'm astounded Karek doesn't see that. [[User:CloseCall|CloseCall]] 01:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::I didn't see it because of how you were choosing to link to it, it was misleading.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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===Club Head===<br />
So you want me to get rid of the Fenis thing? Is that the only problem you have with the edit? Because i find mods to be temperamental beings and don't want to resubmit only to be banned for not clearing up the unspoken issue.--[[User:J3D|Jed]] 12:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
My bad...--[[User:J3D|Jed]] 12:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:The rest of your "contribution" to the page is pathetically unfunny, but '''I''' really couldn't give a shite. If others make a case against it's inclusion I may though. Why don't you go do something productive with your time <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:10 17 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::Hey, hey, hey...each to his own. Until then I'll stick with what i wrote minus Fenis.--[[User:J3D|Jed]] 12:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Oh and you're more then welcome to make suggestions re:doing something productive with my time.--[[User:J3D|Jed]] 12:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Go kill Finis <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:29 17 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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==General Talk==<br />
'''[[User talk:Boxy/Archive|General talk archive]]''':<br />
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===Weapon's Proficiency Bull===<br />
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=%3Frise&diff=969874&oldid=969720 This] is horrible. So is the Guide you linked, no real neutrality what so ever. Specifically the weapons efficiency, it's wrong for one. Without data on the find rates that has been updated you can not claim that they are bad enough, and many figures show that they may well not be, to balance guns to claws. Not to mention that guns ammo searching isn't something that you count, that's just foolishness. If ammo is counted in the efficiency of the weapons for survivors barricades need counting for zombies, that's balanced statistics, instead you count the cost for pre-combat for one side and not the other. BTW, if barricades were counted you'd see how horrible zombie claws vs guns are, if pre-combat actions aren't counted you'll find that shotguns run at about 6.5 for their efficiency, not the measly 1.5 they are rated at in that Guide. PS, your guide purports a 1.7<sub>(without Flak)</sub> and is out of date by about 2 years, [[Search_Odds#Gun_Store|more recent research]] shows that search rates have nearly doubled, some are claiming it has '''''tripled'''''.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If I'm coming off as a bit of an ass it's because I get really tired of some of the survivor crap spread around the wiki that masks the reality of the game and smudges the numbers to hide the true state of the AP imbalance.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:The out of date data is why I used 20AP... it's the number of AP a fireaxe takes to knock down a maxed zombie, isn't it? Not the most efficient, maxed out survivor weapon, but somewhere near it. Bringing barricades into it will severely complicate the issue, give that you'd have to factor in barricade construction on the survivor side... the article is just comparing ?rising with knockdown costs. I know the game is unbalanced towards survivors... but I think it's mainly because of survivor numbers... people want to play survivors to be the hero and because there's more options <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:31 7 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::I'd have to say that the game encourages that behavior in the way the introduction and pretty much every single update has been done. Survivors frequently get all of the flavor and what flavor zombies to get they have to deal with their horrible weapons accuracy, move rates, and barricades to get to, the only zombie flavor which doesn't deal with those things is zombie speech. As for barricade build costs, no, you don't, just don't count ammo find rates which are frequently variable. As for using the Axe instead of the guns which have a far higher hit rate and even with ammo find rates incorrectly included<sub>(I'd have no problem with it's inclusion if the standard was the most data possible but in this case it obviously isn't what they chose to do)</sub> that also horribly smudges the issue as guns, with the newer search data, and even the older search data, save a large and significant amount of AP. That ignored, carry shotguns and needles, CR non-rotters, Shotgun rotters, suddenly it's not 20 AP to clear but with search rates you'll average about 15, less than a headshot, less than what it takes to kill yourself, and less than what it takes for another zombie to kill you. Shotguns are only slightly less efficient than CRing, because they don't have the stacked on other costs but, with the near search rates shotguns could easily be 5 or more AP lower than the 20 you listed based off of the Axe combat stats.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::It's complicated, I know, but even the most efficient weapon in the game (the pistol), in the hands of a maxed out survivor, ''and ignoring searching altogether'', takes more than the 12AP you claimed against a maxed out zombie. Now if you want to expand on the complexity of the decision to ?rise depending on the zombies level, and likelyhood of getting headshot, feel free, but I think 12 is too low <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:52 7 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::BTW, I agree wholeheartedly about the way the game is geared towards survivor updates <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:53 7 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::Actually Boxy, [http://www.herbsofwar.com/test/combatstats.html it takes only 10.], 13 if you count Flak Jackets., 8 if the the zombie doesn't have body building, 11 if they don't have body building and do have a Flak jacket. That doesn't include reloading for obvious reasons.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'm sorry, I edited in the pistol clarification while you were searching for the data, I expect. It says 16AP (ignoring searching) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:59 7 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::Pistols get about 16 AP, Shotguns are actually far better.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::If you factor in reload AP Pistols become better over time, add in search AP to the equation and pistols, I'd assume, are juggernauts because of the finding partially loaded guns. But like I said, if you're gonna do that you need to include everything that could be considered costs to get to combat in the equations, that includes barricades.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::But the whole point of ?rise is that you're already past the barricades... that's what makes it so efficient. All you have to do is ?rise <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 14:07 7 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::Limitations and rewards, ?rise can only be done if you have AP so headshots actually lower the amount of damage ?risers can do. Barricades don't matter because this is about survivor AP expenditure but as combat is about immediate reward you don't factor in searches or AP spent on rebuilding cades, when PKers Pk survivors you don't factor in search rates for either side because that's pre-combat and even if you did we don't have the actual numbers so we can't do it, at least not with any semblance of correctness.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I've placed something on the ?rise talk page, I think it needs a whole new section to discuss when, and when it is not a viable tactic (if you don't mind I'll move this discussion there too) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 01:33 8 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::I'm fine with that, it's a tactic page, essentially, so more information on when to use it as opposed to the survivor view of how much is sucks to deal with could always help.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Good-o <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 05:03 8 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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On a related note, do you find attacking the barricades from inside an efficient tactic in sieges? If I find myself inside, alone, and I haven't got enough AP left to take anyone out completely (seems pointless wounding someone, only to have them healed before anyone else gets in, FAKs are more efficient than any weapon), I will often knock a few levels off the barricades. Do you know how much more effective indoor barricade attacks are? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 05:03 8 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:All the numbers returned from it say it's horribly low, 5% at most, although I doubt it's more than maybe 2.5%, still, if it's HB^ it's actually a good idea to do it if you can't do anything else with your AP as the build rates are generally really low. I'd say it's less effective than attacking survivors but I'd be wrong FAKs and their 60% find rates take care of that. --<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::It must be pretty hard to collect that data. I might head down to the [[Quartly Library]], and see if they're willing to help with some data gathering... well, once Giddings falls, anyway <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:27 8 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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=== Visit this site ===<br />
Pleaseee... look at this [http://malton-nw.myminicity.com/ site] :P<br />
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You are going to like it :)<br />
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--{{User:Savant 231 A/sig}} 15:24, 1 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Excitement plus <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 23:48 1 January 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Signature Race===<br />
Hm...you're currently the #2 user...while I'm #3...Hmmmm....+1? --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 00:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Boxy! Delete his comment!--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
::How exactly does that count the links, is it +1 for each instance of linking or for each page with that link?--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 21:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Each page with a link.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Heh, I would if I was actually going for the win ;) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|I]]</sup> 01:17 6 December 2007 (BST)</small><br />
:::...and now he's number 3. --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 21:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::At that time, you meant 4, right? Ah wells...I'm back to 3...Boxy! Only about 20-40 more edits till I pass you...I forgot which it was...I feel like going for the big challenge...Passing Matt... --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 21:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Anarchy===<br />
It's good to ''be'' back. Real life is great and all, but, y'know.--{{User:Cap'n Silly/Sig}} 06:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, you get hooked on it just like that! :)--{{User:Cap'n Silly/Sig}} 06:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
===Sued===<br />
<nowiki>*</nowiki>Hands you a button labeled 'Sue'. Here you go. Now we know your real name! {{User:Nalikill/Sig}} 02:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I like your sig now :) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] • [[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • 02:59 10 November 2007 (BST)</small><br />
::Thank you kindly, uh, sir or ma'am, I'm sorry for not knowing which. {{User:Nalikill/Sig}} 03:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
::I dont. It bold the timestamp. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 03:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Heh, I'm working on that problem. {{User:Nalikill/Sig}} 03:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::Boxeeee is a box, stoopid peoples lolerz!11--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Well I like it a whole lot better than yours, Haggie :P Oh, and BTW, arn't you avoiding a 1 month ban from the [[A/VB]] archives? Shouldn't I ban you for an extra week? >:) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] • [[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • 03:09 10 November 2007 (BST)</small><br />
::::XD Hoisted by your own petard, Hagnat. {{User:Nalikill/Sig}} 03:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::Oops... caught me. Guess i better ban myself again now that whatever i was trying to prove is already being discussed and half-way solved. And it's not like my uni project is could to complete itself if i continue to edit this wiki. See you guys in a few more days than... off to ban myself again i go. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 03:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::Damn... I was looking forward to bringing down the banhammer too! But good luck with the uni stuff :) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] • [[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • 03:22 10 November 2007 (BST)</small><br />
::::::You want to have the honors ? go ahead :) just make it so i get unbanned after november 24rd (my deadline to deliver that baby) --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 03:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::Oh so tempting... but I'd better not :) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] • [[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • 03:33 10 November 2007 (BST)</small><br />
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By the way, you know how you always have to put <nowiki><nowiki></nowiki> in front of a * at the beginning of a phrase? I created a template, [[Template:*]], to prevent all that unncecessary typing. Just add <nowiki>{{*}}</nowiki> and you're able to move on. {{User:Nalikill/Sig}} 03:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, I saw that... will just have to remember it's there now <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] • [[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • 03:17 10 November 2007 (BST)</small><br />
::{{*}}Tries out the template* --{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 03:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Speedy_Deletions/Archive/2008_10&diff=1301802UDWiki:Administration/Speedy Deletions/Archive/2008 102008-10-24T06:54:50Z<p>Jedaz: /* Criterion 9 */</p>
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===[[Cyberfaggot|Cyberfaggot]]===<br />
Crit 9, 3. ya? {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 07:15, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Criterion 9===<br />
*'''[[DDR]]'''<br />
*'''[[Ron Burgundy]]'''<br />
*'''[[AHLG]]'''<br />
*'''[[Nallan]]'''<br />
*'''[[J3D]]'''<br />
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--[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:12, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''Keep''' - i like these and think they should be allowed, no harm in having them.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:21, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::These are extremely useful redirects. I use DDR and AHLG all the time. This is madness, they should stay. I think Crit 3 needs to be reviewed, because redirects don't only serve to be linked to, they're also useful for when you don't want to type in "User:DanceDanceRevolution" or the like in full in the search bar, and would rather the convenience of "DDR". And crit 9 shouldn't apply to redirects imo.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 06:34, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''Keep''' - Bob '''you fail to notice that [[DDR]] has over 150 links''' and is therefore a very useful link. [[Ron Burgundy]] Also has about 30. I don't think its right to delete redirects that are that popular. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 07:03, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Did you think that people would fail to notice that the 150 pages is because of the link in your signature? - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">07:54/24/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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Sorry guys, but you have to live with the same rules everybody else does. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 07:30, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:I have a feeling you are just being able to cope with that realisation yourself. For the record, I use AHLG lots too, its so loverly and convenient. Unlike CF's myspace. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 07:34, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Firstly, that first sentence doesn't make sense. Secondly, I don't have a MySpace. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 07:36, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'll spell it out for you: I find it slightly humerous that you are dishing out the 'you are the same as everyone else' lessons when I think you are finding it hard to cope with that realisation yourself. Hope the extended version of said sentence was ''fantasmic'' enough for you. You don't have a Myspace? Thats not what myspace says. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 07:43, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You think wrong; notice how I am not contesting the deletion of my own redirect page (which I had forgotten about; from the creation date it can't have been made more than a few weeks after I first joined). As for the thing about MySpace, why would I lie? All of my contact with my friends is done IRL. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 07:47, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Err...are normal users allowed to vote, here? I find those redirects immensely helpful. :( --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 07:47, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Crit 9, 3===<br />
*'''[[Cyberbob240]]'''<br />
'''<big>Has been here for 2 and a half years and has only 2 links to it, compared to mine which was up for 2 hours and had one.</big>''' Haha, disregard that, I suck cocks. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 05:05, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:The motives behind this are so very petty. Having said that, if I'd remembered I'd made it I would've submitted it myself. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:07, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::We all believe your righteousness Bob. However, your initial comment becomes worthless due to the above case you just tried to pull. Ha. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 07:00, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::what --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 07:13, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::lol.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 07:26, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::what is engrish DDR? {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 07:34, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Served Speedy Deletions==<br />
===Crit 9===<br />
*'''[[DanceDanceRevolution]]'''<br />
--[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 13:43, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Also crit 3. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:52, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::I never got crit 3. I don't see the point to it. Could someone explain it to me better than the wiki does?--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 13:55, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Takes up space that could be easily reused otherwise.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:00, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Done--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:01, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Don't understand, how come this isn't acceptable, but Ron, AHLG, Nallan, J3D even Cyberbob, who made this report, has his own redirect page. Like, even [[DDR]] has been up for over a year by now and no one cared... {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 05:01, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::If a page like that goes undeleted it's because nobody has noticed it, not because they're trying to get away with having it. Go ahead and submit for deletion any such page you see. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:08, 24 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[Unfair]]===<br />
Crit 1. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:42, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:No a/vb wan? :D --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:47, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:01, 23 October 2008 (BST)<br />
=== a missspell ===<br />
'''[[Malton Juvinile Hall Detension Center]]''' the name had misspells so i changed it<br />
can it be deleted , thanks<br />
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also '''[[BEGINNERS MSF FORCE]]''' that used to be mine {{unsigned|Tomer|at a time I'm too lazy to check}}<br />
:Got 'em. Please learn to sign. And format. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 19:48, 20 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[Death grip]]===<br />
A page created that says pretty much the same (only a lot less) as what's on the [[Zombie Skills]] page <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:25 19 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Get rid of that shiz. So is the rule if you post it on A/SD you can't be the one to delete it, but any sysop can come through once it's posted and delete it regardless of time lapsed provided no one's voted keep?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:34, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Pretty Much. The page is a few hours old, not to mention that the Zombie Skills page is meant to be a portal, not the main source. So '''Keep''' for now, maybe someone will be able to come up with some description text for Death Grip beyond the stuff that's there now.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 15:36, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'm still trying to sort out individual pages for all of them in Garish green. Bear with me. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:53, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
'''Kept''' - but the stuff about not using bite is a bit wrong, I think. Biting as a newbie zombie is higher efficency until you get the claw skillz, I think (ie. buy neck lurch before death grip or rend flesh) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:31 22 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Tons of Crit 1s===<br />
*[[Chuck_norris]]<br />
*[[Death_and_Revivification]]<br />
*[[Archive/DHPD_Confirmed_Brain_Rot_Roster]]<br />
*[[5th_Infantry_Division/recruit]]<br />
*[[Extinction/Archived]]<br />
*[[Extinction/beta]]<br />
*[[Monroeville_Safe_Haven_Project]]<br />
*[[Monroeville_survivor_forum]]<br />
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There will probably be some more to come, there's also [[FF3extensions|this]] but it's not quite crit 1 yet, I don't think the content has been moved to the right place.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Whiped the last one, it was crit 1'd cause of vandalism and therefore should be revised... {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 07:14, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::What are you talking about? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:30 19 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::Check revisions to see, he removed it from the list already.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 15:37, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Oh, OK. Please don't do that DDR, if you think one needs keeping, use <s>strikethrough</s> <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:54 21 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
'''Deleted''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:31 22 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===3 Crit 4s===<br />
*[[:Category:Being_awesome]]<br />
*[[:Category:Anarchy]]<br />
*[[:Category:Members_of_Garden]].<br />
Aren't being used and have no reason to exist.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:02, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Gone <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:30 19 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[Earleton - Malton Safety Map]]===<br />
Made by mistake, crit. 1, crit. 7,--[[User:G-Man|G-Man]] 06:33, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 07:29, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
=== Crit 1, 3 broken redirects ===<br />
*'''[[COR]]'''<br />
*'''[[EMRPs to PRocess]]'''<br />
*'''[[Talk:EMRPs to PRocess]]'''<br />
No pages link to them. -- {{User:Atticus Rex/Sig}} 17:51, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Done,.they seem to have been missed when the actual content pages met deletion/speedy deletion requests.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:32, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Category===<br />
'''Category:Wiki Resources'''<br />
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Crit 4. It had one item inside it, but that turned out to be an uncreated page. Thanks. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:50, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Ummm, [[:Category:Wiki Resources]] has a number of pages and one sub category in it. Looks useful <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 08:41 13 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
Balls. I cut and pasted the wrong one.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:16, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I meant <br />
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'''[[:Category:Suggestion 10 February 2007]]'''<br />
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Crit 4.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:16, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:That's a strange one. I'll leave this to see if any of the other sysops have any luck working out why that non-page is included in the category <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 17:11 13 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::It doesn't like the space between ''Suggestion:'' and ''Make'', so the wiki removes it. When I type in: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion:_make_suggestions_their_own_pages&action=delete I get this error ''Could not delete the page or file specified. (It may have already been deleted by someone else.)''. Ask Kevan.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:48, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Oh [[Talk:Suggestion:_make_suggestions_their_own_pages|the page]] does exist. However I'm sure we can delete this considering it's [[:Category:Suggestion|bed buddy]] got deleted [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive/Jul_2008#Category:Suggestion|a ways back]].--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small><br />
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:Done, as a Crit 6, the other thing is still an issue though.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:30, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
===[[Suburb_Recruitment]]===<br />
Crit 1 - duplication of Category:Recruitment to circumvent community consensus. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:18, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''Kept''' - have you attempted to contact him about his idea of sorting recruitment adverts by suburbs? It seems like a pretty good idea, although perhaps the work involved isn't worth the benefit. As to the ruling... I'm not going to delete it under Crit 1, because the duplication part of that criterion reads "''is duplicated elsewhere '''to no purpose'''''". There is a purpose to his duplication, a better way of accessing recruitment ads <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:58 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::It was discussed on the Category:Recruitment page and dismissed as it duplicated the suburbs pages for information and would cause a load of drama as have similar on the suburbs pages. But, you go ahead and keep it.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[Mall Tour '08]]===<br />
Hasn't Happend yet and seems to be a placeholder, for al we know it won't happen, for all we know they might skip it this year. Crit 1. Should be right.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:54, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Agreed, Crit 1, 08 isn't going to happen, 09 on the other hand.... -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:18, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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'''Deleted''' - if anything actually happens, it's fine to recreate the page <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:11 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Two never deleted pages===<br />
Both [[Dingus3]] and [[Shades of malton History]] were marked for speedy deletion, but were never deleted. I don't know if there was a reason for this or what, but I thought I'd bring them back to attention.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 23:39, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Was scheduled. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:48, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[Casual_Killers]]=== <br />
Crit 7 - Nuke it from orbit. --[[User:Flipping|Flipping]] 18:35, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Crited from orbit. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:48, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[Template:ALiM]]===<br />
Crit 10.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 04:46, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:See??? [[2 Cool]] and [[ALiM]]ers can be socially responsible, clearing the wiki from unused junk.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:47, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::[[Great Fire|T]][[The Arkham Sisters|o]][[Malton Girl on Girl Parade|t]][[Sir Dick Longman|a]][[Colloquialisms|l]][[Sandpit Revolution|l]][[Suburb Nicknames|y]].--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 04:49, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Gone. --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Ye Olde Subpage===<br />
[[User:Dr_Cory_Bjornson/EMRPs_to_PRocess|EMRPs to PRocess]], Unused. Get its [[User_talk:Dr_Cory_Bjornson/EMRPs_to_PRocess|talk page]] too. <br />
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And [[User:Dr Cory Bjornson/UT|/UT]] please...<br />
And [[User:Dr Cory Bjornson/FB|/FB]] too...<br />
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I think..<br />
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(Criterion I) {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 03:57, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:I think Karek got them <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 17:11 13 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[User:Revenant/GM/BiggerSpeechBox.user.js]]===<br />
Crit 8. Unusable without [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawFile Mediawiki RawFile] extension. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 08:03, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:See below.<br />
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===[[Amusing Locations in Malton/Colloquialisms]]===<br />
Unneeded. Crit 7.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 07:12, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Both of these requests seem to have been fulfilled already.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 11:30, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Crit 7 ===<br />
[[NaP]]<br />
I created the page, and as far as I can remember, am the only member of the group who ever edited it. (I think one other person might have corrected a typo, but I'm not sure). The group has been defunct for some time...not to mention it's a Monroeville group. It's not deserving of historic status by any stretch of the imagination (unlike, say, a group like the Monroeville Many)...so...can we reduce wiki clutter, and get rid of it, please? --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 04:00, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Moved request from Deletions since it is a crit 7 and done.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 11:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
===Crit 1 / 7===<br />
[[Malton Mercenarys]] <br />
[[New Arkham Fight Club]]<br />
:deleted. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:16, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Crit 7===<br />
[[:Image:Kempsterbank_war_sm.PNG]], the former logo of SFHNAS. Nothing uses it, only I've edited it. We've rebranded! [[User:Billy Forks|Billy Forks]] 21:00, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''Deleted''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:59 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===Various DHPD pages===<br />
[[DHPD/Confirmed_Brain_Rot_Roster]]<br />
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[[DHPD/Gulf_Squad]]<br />
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[[DHPD/Hotel Squad]]<br />
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[[DHPD/Indigo Squad]]<br />
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[[DHPD/Template:Header]]<br />
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I'm posting these here hoping that Conndraka or some other DHPDer will verify that these are indeed unused since the remodel of their page. They were cleared by Marty Banks. I'm not going to rush to delete them. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:12, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I would assume that they are but don't we normally not delete anything under name spaces unless requested by author if the whole root isn't deleted? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:13, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::I'll check in with the rest of the group - we've been reworking the wiki pages recently, and I'm not sure where we're up to. It'd be appreciated if you could hold off until I check back in [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 06:05, 8 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::They were on the uncategorized pages list and had been blanked by Marty. I was thinking he just didn't bother to post them. If they are going to be used again can you just stick a DHPD category on them please? --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
'''Kept''' for now, however if these pages don't have content on them within a week or so, and they reappear here, they can indeed be speedydeleted under crit 1 (regardless of being group sub pages). I'm leaving the SD template on them, so they will be found shortly, and they have categories on them. The brain rot roster, at least, has been moved to another location <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:59 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::: We're still in process of remodeling/archiving... please don't clear anything with content yet; once I'm finished I'll put everything cleaned on the list... I want to make sure we don't miss anything from the old department for our historical archive. Thanks for the quick action though Nubis, I just need more time to get everything set... college and work has taken up my free time. <br> PS: [[DHPD/Template:Header]], and [[DHPD/Confirmed_Brain_Rot_Roster]] have been archived completely and can be removed though... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 20:08, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Crit 1===<br />
Looks like even the almighty Dr.Sinclair's struggling with the credit crunch. :P<br />
*[[Sinclair Hotels/Sinclair Pharmaceutical]] <-- Wiped<br />
*[[Sinclair Hotels/The Sinclair Family]] <-- Wiped also -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:35, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Now people will have to buy their drugs on the street or the internet like in real life.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:55, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Crit 7===<br />
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Suggestion:20081007_RPG_%28please_take_seriously%29 Created accidentally] during active vandalism. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:22, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Already got it. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:23, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[Church of Reathxia/Sandbox]]===<br />
Crits 13 and 7. The original article was deleted due to it being a parody group but this got missed.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 04:26, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:The page that it is a sub-page [[Church of Reathxia|of]] hasn't been deleted, so it's not a crit 13, but as you are the only author, '''deleted''' under crit 7 <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 7 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[Suggestion:20081007 Suggestion Dupe Change]]===<br />
Crit 2. This is totally worthless and was created just to vandalize. The user who made this page just got banned for vandalism anyway.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 04:30, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:I spaminated it, rather than deleted <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 7 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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===[[Suggestion:20080919 Lighter, the item and him uses]]===<br />
1,7. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:45, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Deleted. --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 06:35, 6 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===[[Template:Lighter%2C_the_item_and_him_uses]]===<br />
Crit 1 from reading it, crit 2 because it's not a template and therefore off topic and crit 10 because it's in the template namespace and isn't used. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:35, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:"Gorn." --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:45, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===crit 1's===<br />
*'''[[Malton Backup Squad]]''' - previously put up for speedydelete, but not deleted due to worries about the validity of the page wipe... too late now that the history is gone.<br />
*'''[[Ferrum Leo]]''' - duplicated at [[User:Ferrum Leo]], moved manually by author.<br />
*'''[[Talk:Brain Rot\archive]]''' - would have been nominated, but happened while [[A/SD]] was unavailable.<br />
*'''[[Neice]]''' - unused redirect resulting from page move to [[User:Ryannx25/Neice]]<br />
<small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 14:13 5 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Nobody reverted the MBS page, so I think it is safe to assume it's ok. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:45, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Crit 7, again=== <br />
[[Editing Template:ExtremeRepair/Gallery]] - Blank, and won't be used anyway. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:01, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Ummm, it's a red link, so no page there to delete <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 13:12 2 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::But it exists, it was created... it's just blank... There, it's no longer blank. :P --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 09:09, 4 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You just created that page, simply to put {{tl|speedydelete}} on it (check the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Editing_Template:ExtremeRepair/Gallery&action=history page history]) :-/ <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 14:51 4 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
Deleted [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 17:27, 4 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Crit 7===<br />
* [[:Image:Wiki down2.jpg]]<br />
* [[:Image:Wiki down.jpg]]<br />
Ta.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:51, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''Deleted''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:25 2 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
===Crit 7=== <br />
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* [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Image:Hoopy_Freud_The_Gilesi_Building_(100AP).JPG&redirect=no Image:Hoopy Freud The Gilesi Building (100AP).JPG]<br />
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It's been replaced and is no longer in use. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:49, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:'''Deleted''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 12:25 2 October 2008 (BST)</small></div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration&diff=1300904UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration2008-10-23T00:42:22Z<p>Jedaz: /* Midianian vs. Karek */</p>
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While the wiki community attempts to work on the basis of encouragement and cooperation, there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord. In the event of this happening, the Arbitration Team may be called upon to intervene, and attempt to find a reasonable compromise that, while perhaps not satisfying both parties, may at least assist in defusing the situation, thanks to the unbiased third party.<br />
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=Guidelines for Arbitration Requests=<br />
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In assisting in Arbitration, we generally suggest that both parties agree to the Arbitration. This is not, by any means, a requirement, but we do require that both parties be represented in proceedings.<br />
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Any Arbitration request should provide at least the following:<br />
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* '''The aggrieved parties.''' Either person vs person, or [list of people] vs [list of people].<br />
* '''The reason for the arbitration.''' This should very specifically be without reference to people, as that information has already been provided. It should be a short paragraph indicating the causes of the aggrievement, and why both parties feel it requires arbitration<br />
* '''Any pages affected by the aggrievement.''' This should be a simple list of links. <br />
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Once the Arbitration commences, the Arbitrator will request statements from all parties involved. Any evidence to back up one's statement should be provided in link form. Each party will then have an opportunity to rebut their opponent's statement. After these two steps, the Arbitrator will then consider the case, and reach a conclusion, and determine the outcome that is required. It's the duty of the Arbitrator to move a case he accepted to a subpage of UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration, and to update the status of the arbitration case in the [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Arbitration_Cases_in_Progress|Arbitration Cases in Progress]] section.<br />
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As a note, by requesting an Arbitration, all parties are thus obliged to accept the outcome of the Arbitration. Not doing will be considered Vandalism, and such vandalism attempts will be treated as if the vandal has already received two warnings.<br />
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After the Arbitration is over, it will then be moved to an archive page. As publicly accessible pages, they may be used to establish precedent in further, applicable cases.<br />
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=Current Arbitrators=<br />
:''For guidelines on how to arbitrate, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration Guidelines|Arbitration Guidelines]].''<br />
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The following users have placed their hand up as users who are willing to be contacted to act as an Arbitrator. The role of Arbitrator is not restricted to the Administration Team; any user can be contacted as an Arbitrator and use this page for the arbitration, so long as both parties agree to the Arbitrator. Users who wish to place their hand up as an Arbitrator should place their name below on the list, using {{CodeInline|<nowiki>*{{usr|YourUserPage}}</nowiki>}}<br />
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Also note that not all listed Arbitrators are active on the Wiki.<br />
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*{{usr|Acoustic Pie}}<br />
*{{User|Airborne88}}<br />
*{{usr|Akule}}<br />
*[[User:AnimeSucks|AnimeSucks]]<br />
*[[User:Atticus Rex|Atticus Rex]]<br />
*[[User:Axe Hack|Axe Hack]]<br />
*[[User:Blood Panther|Blood Panther]]<br />
*[[User:Boxy|boxy]]<br />
*[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]]<br />
*[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<br />
*[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]]<br />
*{{usr|DanceDanceRevolution}}<br />
*[[User:DarkStar|DarkStar]]<br />
*[[User:Ashley Valentine|DevilAsh]]<br />
*{{User|Dragon fang}}<br />
*[[User:Drawde|Drawde]]<br />
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*[[User:Finis Valorum|Finis Valorum]]<br />
*[[User:Funt_Solo|Funt Solo]]<br />
*[[User: Gus Thomas|Gus Thomas]]<br />
*[[User:Galaxy125|Galaxy125]]<br />
*[[User:hagnat|hagnat]]<br />
*[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]<br />
*[[User:Headless Gunner|Headless Gunner]]<br />
*[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]<br />
*[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]<br />
*[[User:J3D|Jed]]<br />
*[[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]]<br />
*[[User:JaredV|JaredV]]<br />
*[[User:Karek|Karek]]<br />
*[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]]<br />
*{{user|Labine50}}<br />
*[[User:Matthewfarenheit|Matthewfarenheit]]<br />
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*[[User:Sexylegsread|MichaelRead]]<br />
*[[User:MikhailA|MikhailA]]<br />
*[[user:Novascotia|Novascotia]]<br />
*[[user:Nubis|Nubis]]<br />
*[[User:Ottari|Ottari]]<br />
*[[User:Pdeq|Pdeq]]<br />
*[[user:rosslessness|Rosslessness]]<br />
*[[User:Scotw|Scotw]]<br />
*[[User:Seventythree|Seventythree]]<br />
*[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]]<br />
*[[User:Studoku|Studoku]]<br />
*[[User:Suicidalangel|Suicidal Angel]]<br />
*[[User:Toejam|Toejam]]<br />
*[[User:V2Blast|V2Blast]]<br />
*[[User:Xan2020|Xan Krieger]]<br />
*[[User:Zombie slay3r|Z. slay3r]]<br />
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=Arbitration Cases Currently Under Consideration=<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot]] vs. [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]==<br />
This is a case over the ruling in the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction Jorm/Zeug case]. Cheese has exceeded his remit as arbitrator in this case by ordering the circumvention of established wiki procedure.<br />
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I wish to have sections of his ruling stricken and declared unenforceable.<br />
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I will accept any arbitrator who has shown an understanding for following established wiki policy and procedure in their edit history. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:15, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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I can has arby? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 23:38, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:<s>I accept Bob. He has long shown that he follows wiki policy and procedure to the letter. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:39, 30 September 2008 (BST)</s><br />
::My indiscretions are by choice, not by lack of knowledge. You'll also note that I was more than courteous and impartial in my previous case. I take being an arbitrator seriously. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 00:31, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Seriously though, I think this case is one of the most moronic that has ever been brought. Iscariot basically wants my ruling stricken so that a deleted page can be restored just to be deleted again next week. This is stupid and a waste of time on everyone's part. I refuse to play any part in this. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:16, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Then the arby ruling will happen without any input from you whatsoever. And if he finds an arbitrator sympathetic to his side, he'll get what he wants, thus just wasting more time when the page gets re-deleted. If he's serious, go along, or find representation. You should know all of this. Save others time by sacrificing a little to go with the case.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:28, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Fine. I still think this is moronic. But SA has a point. I will represent myself. Arbitrators who want in, please leave a note. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:31, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Wait a minute. You can not arbitrate against someone that doesn't choose to participate in the arbitration. ''Then the arby ruling will happen without any input from you whatsoever. '' This is complete bullshit. If this was the case then I could go back and find either old pages that the users have "abandoned" or for that matter users that aren't as active these days and set up cases against them, pick my buddy to arby, and get whatever I wanted done. Arbies has to have BOTH parties involved and if Cheese refuses to participate then he can not be forced to. Arbies is an option not required for conflict resolution. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:55, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Shhh, don't tell the peoplez da truth!--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:39, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Actually the rules say an Arbies case can be made without participation of the other side.... however there s no point doing so as without their agreement to enter the process there s no way to make them accept the outcome! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:30, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::And that loophole right there is the crux of what is fucking wrong with this wiki. That needs to be closed up. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:09, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You're wrong, sorry. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:12, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::It's not really a loophole though is it? You can't force someone to accept arbitration, it goes totally counter to the meaning of the word! Perhaps a seperate procedure for such cases might work but that would really be a case of asking for judgement rather than a negotiated settlement and there is no way that the person bringing such a case should have any control over who rules on it... Hell such a thing should probably be open to public vote like deletions is!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:24, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Actually it's probably a good chance to clarify established wiki procedure and underline where Arbitration fits on this wiki. If deletions can be forced through by 'popular' vote (ie meatpuppets) without recourse to arbitration then it's anarchy, a good example is [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#UZM|wan's direct recourse to deletion]] twice now with both the original UZM and its redirect. As it is the deletions vote is an easy bad faith way of not bothering with arbitration. As for your ruling being 'unenforceable' ... well it came to the same conclusion as wan's delete request, Iscariot's vote and upheld jorm's request for deletion! It doesn't override or circumvent but rather concurs. It would be enforceable after the vote cos even if the ''Keep's'' won the day I would have requested ''speedy deletion'' as per your ruling. Finally, as original author I changed my vote to ''speedy delete'' and isn't that justification in itself for speedy deletion (criteria #7 Author Edit Only)? Isn't there a procedure to deal with litigious members on this wiki? They're generally a huge waste of time otherwise. --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 07:42, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Quit your whining, and quit trying to play the victim. No one buys it. ''You'' started this problem, and you escalated it. Time and time again, repeatedly. By refusing to refusing to allow groups them to edit themselves from a public, community page they wanted nothing to do with. ''You'' are the one who caused the friction and drama: this is fallout from a situation you started, fomented and perpetuated. You know it. I know it. ''Everyone'' else knows it. <br />
::::But anyway... We apologise for this interruption, and return you now to your regularly scheduled programming: Zeug's usual arguments ad hominen, facile dissemblings and assorted "other general whinging". --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 08:36, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Shhhh ... it's OK wan. I'm sure everybody understands your pain and we're all here for you buddy. And don't worry, even with [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Zeug|4 v/b's]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#UZM|2 deletions]] and [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction|an arbi case]] called against me over the last few days I can assure you I feel in no way victimized. Quite the opposite, I love the wiki process and I love UD and its social network. And with this case maybe we can put a brake on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Grim_s&oldid=1278129#Iscariot meatpuppet attacks in the deletions vote].--[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 12:40, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
I'll arbitrate, but you should know that arbitration has a long history of ordering [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The_Fifth_Horseman_vs_Akule|deletions]], and frankly, if a decent, impartial arbitrator orders it (as seems to have happened in this case), it is a better system than internet democracy because the decision is made by someone who has all the relevant facts, as presented by the parties involved <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:23 1 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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I do not accept Bob, for obvious reasons, and will not accept Boxy due to his sysop status. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:49, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:why must you hurt my feelings when i can obviously be imapartial when I arbitrate --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 16:07, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm somewhat new to Arbies, having only added myself recently, but I'd be willing.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 20:06, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I also offer to arby. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 16:28, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Midianian vs. Karek|Midianian vs. Karek]]==<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] vs. [[User:Karek|Karek]]|arbitrator=[[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]]|created_at=20:28, 21 October 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]|status=Waiting for list of Pros and Cons to be submitted by both parties.|summary=Dispute over whether or not to use a template for rounded corners on certain protected pages.}}<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Umbrella_Biohazard_Countermeasure_Servive_vs._Umbrella|Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive vs. Umbrella]]==<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Haliman111|Haliman]] versus [[User:MisterGame|MisterGame]]|arbitrator=[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]|created_at=23:22, 30 September 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:Haliman111|Haliman]]|status=Awaiting Opening Statements|summary=A dispute over the ownership of the [[Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service]] page.}}<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot and The Order of Philosophe Knights versus Sarah Aline and The Upper Left Corner|Iscariot and The Order of Philosophe Knights versus Sarah Aline and The Upper Left Corner]]==<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] versus [[User:S Aline|Sarah Aline]]|arbitrator=[[User:J3D|J3D]]|created_at=17:38, 4 September 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]|status=Awaiting S Aline's response|summary=Dispute over the content of the [[Southall Mansion]] location page.}}<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm and the MOB versus Zeug and Extinction|Jorm and the MOB versus Zeug and Extinction]]==<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] versus [[User:Zeug|Zeug]]|arbitrator=[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]|created_at=21:32, 22 September 2008|created_by=[[User:Jorm|Jorm]]|status=Waiting for terms of the ruling to be accepted and carried out.|summary=Jorm wants all references to the [[MOB]] removed from Zeug's [[United Zombies of Malton]] portal and from aforementioned portal's wiki page.}}<br />
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While the wiki community attempts to work on the basis of encouragement and cooperation, there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord. In the event of this happening, the Arbitration Team may be called upon to intervene, and attempt to find a reasonable compromise that, while perhaps not satisfying both parties, may at least assist in defusing the situation, thanks to the unbiased third party.<br />
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=Guidelines for Arbitration Requests=<br />
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In assisting in Arbitration, we generally suggest that both parties agree to the Arbitration. This is not, by any means, a requirement, but we do require that both parties be represented in proceedings.<br />
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Any Arbitration request should provide at least the following:<br />
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* '''The aggrieved parties.''' Either person vs person, or [list of people] vs [list of people].<br />
* '''The reason for the arbitration.''' This should very specifically be without reference to people, as that information has already been provided. It should be a short paragraph indicating the causes of the aggrievement, and why both parties feel it requires arbitration<br />
* '''Any pages affected by the aggrievement.''' This should be a simple list of links. <br />
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Once the Arbitration commences, the Arbitrator will request statements from all parties involved. Any evidence to back up one's statement should be provided in link form. Each party will then have an opportunity to rebut their opponent's statement. After these two steps, the Arbitrator will then consider the case, and reach a conclusion, and determine the outcome that is required. It's the duty of the Arbitrator to move a case he accepted to a subpage of UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration, and to update the status of the arbitration case in the [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Arbitration_Cases_in_Progress|Arbitration Cases in Progress]] section.<br />
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As a note, by requesting an Arbitration, all parties are thus obliged to accept the outcome of the Arbitration. Not doing will be considered Vandalism, and such vandalism attempts will be treated as if the vandal has already received two warnings.<br />
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After the Arbitration is over, it will then be moved to an archive page. As publicly accessible pages, they may be used to establish precedent in further, applicable cases.<br />
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=Current Arbitrators=<br />
:''For guidelines on how to arbitrate, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration Guidelines|Arbitration Guidelines]].''<br />
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The following users have placed their hand up as users who are willing to be contacted to act as an Arbitrator. The role of Arbitrator is not restricted to the Administration Team; any user can be contacted as an Arbitrator and use this page for the arbitration, so long as both parties agree to the Arbitrator. Users who wish to place their hand up as an Arbitrator should place their name below on the list, using {{CodeInline|<nowiki>*{{usr|YourUserPage}}</nowiki>}}<br />
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Also note that not all listed Arbitrators are active on the Wiki.<br />
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*[[User:Axe Hack|Axe Hack]]<br />
*[[User:Blood Panther|Blood Panther]]<br />
*[[User:Boxy|boxy]]<br />
*[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]]<br />
*[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<br />
*[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]]<br />
*{{usr|DanceDanceRevolution}}<br />
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*[[User:Ashley Valentine|DevilAsh]]<br />
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*[[User:Finis Valorum|Finis Valorum]]<br />
*[[User:Funt_Solo|Funt Solo]]<br />
*[[User: Gus Thomas|Gus Thomas]]<br />
*[[User:Galaxy125|Galaxy125]]<br />
*[[User:hagnat|hagnat]]<br />
*[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]<br />
*[[User:Headless Gunner|Headless Gunner]]<br />
*[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]<br />
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*[[User:J3D|Jed]]<br />
*[[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]]<br />
*[[User:JaredV|JaredV]]<br />
*[[User:Karek|Karek]]<br />
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*[[User:MikhailA|MikhailA]]<br />
*[[user:Novascotia|Novascotia]]<br />
*[[user:Nubis|Nubis]]<br />
*[[User:Ottari|Ottari]]<br />
*[[User:Pdeq|Pdeq]]<br />
*[[user:rosslessness|Rosslessness]]<br />
*[[User:Scotw|Scotw]]<br />
*[[User:Seventythree|Seventythree]]<br />
*[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]]<br />
*[[User:Studoku|Studoku]]<br />
*[[User:Suicidalangel|Suicidal Angel]]<br />
*[[User:Toejam|Toejam]]<br />
*[[User:V2Blast|V2Blast]]<br />
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==[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] vs. [[User:Karek|Karek]]==<br />
This is about the [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections#border-radius|protection request]] where I requested that the individual CSS styles creating the rounded corners on certain pages be replaced with a template, which was done by [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]], but later reverted by Karek. We discussed it on the protections page, but didn't reach an agreement. Finally he moved the request from Requested Edits to Recent Actions when [[User_talk:Karek#border-radius|I suggested we go to arbitration]] to settle this.<br />
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The pages in the original request were:<br />
*[[Main Page]]<br />
*[[Template:Navigation]]<br />
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but I don't really mind if the template isn't edited into the first two pages, for reasons explained in the protections request.<br />
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Since this is mainly a technical matter, please do not put your name forward unless you have at least basic understanding of the technical basis of this case. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 20:28, 21 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Suggestions is the third most viewed page on the wiki and is a significant through-fare for wiki traffic(the others don't show up on popular pages because they're categories but they get a significant amount of views as well, enough that they would show up top 20 if they could). The fact that they mostly have "templated sigs", as you say, is actually that much ''more'' reason why space there ''is'' an issue, inclusion size problems would screw up the page and this template adds to the inclusion size needlessly.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:35, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll be willing to arbitrate on this matter as I'm a technically orientated person. I also have experience with the Wiki Software as well as CSS. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:48/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:I accept Jedaz. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:01, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I don't understand why Midianian thinks there is an arbitration case here. It is called a '''request''' not a demand. Should the sysop team not feel it is needed it won't be honored. If Cheese and Karek do not agree on what needs to be done with the request since they are the only two sysops that are involved they might need an arbitration (or discussion) but frankly, Midianian has no right to demand any action on this matter.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:51, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:This is the essence of arbitration, resolving edit disputes, which is exactly what this is. Just because Midianian has to request a sysop to change the page does not mean that Midianian is not an invested party, and thus has every right to request arbitration for resolving the edit dispute. I fail to see how you can not see that this is clearly an edit dispute. If the whole Sysop team disagrees with the request then no arbitration case could even get it changed (obviously). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">03:07/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::This isn't an "edit dispute" this is a functionality issue. Since Karek is a sysop and responsible for the upkeep of this wiki and the requested page to be edited is protected to only be edited by sysops then the everyday user has no expectation of getting the edit they want on the page. If the page was meant to be edited by anyone it wouldn't be locked. It's not like Midianian's request was ignored. Karek responded and decided that the current version was fine. Just because a user wants a certain edit on a page doesn't mean he should get it. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:18, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'd assume the page was protected to prevent vandalism and preserve its textual content, not its formatting. I'd have no expectation of getting the ''rules'' changed on that page through an edit request. On the other hand, getting something changed that ''isn't'' why the page was protected? Of course, as much as on any unprotected page. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:01, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And if Cheese disagreed with Karek he would have made his point in the discussion those two had on the Admin page. So it seems that none of the sysops disagree with Karek on this issue therefore the page won't be edited. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:21, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Just because someone doesn't disagree doesn't mean they agree either. Cheeze thought it was a reasonable request and grated it (even if he didn't feel strongly about it either way), so why not allow the two parties who are pushing their views to have it out in arbitration? Just because a page is protected doesn't mean that it shouldn't be changed if there are good enough reasons (and conversly it should stay the same if the reasons aren't good enough). I think there is enough grounds for an arbitration case to exist.<br />
:::I'm sure that there are sysops who don't care either way about it and would perfer to avoid any conflict. Saying nothing doesn't mean that you agree with a position either. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">03:46/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::No but, doing nothing because you know you don't know enough about it is far more telling than doing something with that same knowledge. You can't judge reasons if you don't even know what you're doing.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:52, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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What possible harm can an Arbies ruling on this matter cause if all directly involved have a good understanding of the dispute? If the page was protected to prevent textual alterations and vandalism rather than format changes and one sysop has already said it is an acceptable request then it does become an edit conflict (albiet a complex one) and were Karek to call SYSOP priviledge here it could be construed as misconduct if other sysops disagree with him. Sensible course then is obviously to let the interested parties make their case to an impartial arbitator with the technical knowledge to judge. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:21, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:I wouldn't say as much but, I also actually agree that it is subject to arbitration. Well, the suggestions page stuff is, the other two not so much as I can, and probably should, call SYSOP privilege on that and deny any change that is not necessary to the daily health and use of the page(as it's the auto-load), I also doubt Midianian would care overly much there because he's already said he's willing to concede at least that.<br /><br />That being said, I doubt there's much in the way of impartial arbitrators that I'd be willing to concede know enough code wise to be of use, I do think Jedaz knows enough. I'm not so sure that he hasn't already chosen his ruling in the matter, I'm also not going to put up with the whole both sides make an argument crap, it's already been done. I will point out that using Cheese's actions to justify the argument for doing it is ridiculous, even if he is a nice guy and tries to help out he has a history of performing administrative actions without first gathering all the knowledge needed to make those judgements well and correctly<small>(it's why I ''don't'' want him as 'crat actually)</small>, so stop it. With that I accept Jedaz, as the odds of any other users with the knowledge coming forward is slim to none.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:50, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot]] vs. [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]==<br />
This is a case over the ruling in the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction Jorm/Zeug case]. Cheese has exceeded his remit as arbitrator in this case by ordering the circumvention of established wiki procedure.<br />
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I wish to have sections of his ruling stricken and declared unenforceable.<br />
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I will accept any arbitrator who has shown an understanding for following established wiki policy and procedure in their edit history. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:15, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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I can has arby? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 23:38, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:<s>I accept Bob. He has long shown that he follows wiki policy and procedure to the letter. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:39, 30 September 2008 (BST)</s><br />
::My indiscretions are by choice, not by lack of knowledge. You'll also note that I was more than courteous and impartial in my previous case. I take being an arbitrator seriously. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 00:31, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Seriously though, I think this case is one of the most moronic that has ever been brought. Iscariot basically wants my ruling stricken so that a deleted page can be restored just to be deleted again next week. This is stupid and a waste of time on everyone's part. I refuse to play any part in this. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:16, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Then the arby ruling will happen without any input from you whatsoever. And if he finds an arbitrator sympathetic to his side, he'll get what he wants, thus just wasting more time when the page gets re-deleted. If he's serious, go along, or find representation. You should know all of this. Save others time by sacrificing a little to go with the case.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:28, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Fine. I still think this is moronic. But SA has a point. I will represent myself. Arbitrators who want in, please leave a note. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:31, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Wait a minute. You can not arbitrate against someone that doesn't choose to participate in the arbitration. ''Then the arby ruling will happen without any input from you whatsoever. '' This is complete bullshit. If this was the case then I could go back and find either old pages that the users have "abandoned" or for that matter users that aren't as active these days and set up cases against them, pick my buddy to arby, and get whatever I wanted done. Arbies has to have BOTH parties involved and if Cheese refuses to participate then he can not be forced to. Arbies is an option not required for conflict resolution. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:55, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Shhh, don't tell the peoplez da truth!--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:39, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Actually the rules say an Arbies case can be made without participation of the other side.... however there s no point doing so as without their agreement to enter the process there s no way to make them accept the outcome! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:30, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::And that loophole right there is the crux of what is fucking wrong with this wiki. That needs to be closed up. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:09, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You're wrong, sorry. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:12, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::It's not really a loophole though is it? You can't force someone to accept arbitration, it goes totally counter to the meaning of the word! Perhaps a seperate procedure for such cases might work but that would really be a case of asking for judgement rather than a negotiated settlement and there is no way that the person bringing such a case should have any control over who rules on it... Hell such a thing should probably be open to public vote like deletions is!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:24, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Actually it's probably a good chance to clarify established wiki procedure and underline where Arbitration fits on this wiki. If deletions can be forced through by 'popular' vote (ie meatpuppets) without recourse to arbitration then it's anarchy, a good example is [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#UZM|wan's direct recourse to deletion]] twice now with both the original UZM and its redirect. As it is the deletions vote is an easy bad faith way of not bothering with arbitration. As for your ruling being 'unenforceable' ... well it came to the same conclusion as wan's delete request, Iscariot's vote and upheld jorm's request for deletion! It doesn't override or circumvent but rather concurs. It would be enforceable after the vote cos even if the ''Keep's'' won the day I would have requested ''speedy deletion'' as per your ruling. Finally, as original author I changed my vote to ''speedy delete'' and isn't that justification in itself for speedy deletion (criteria #7 Author Edit Only)? Isn't there a procedure to deal with litigious members on this wiki? They're generally a huge waste of time otherwise. --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 07:42, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Quit your whining, and quit trying to play the victim. No one buys it. ''You'' started this problem, and you escalated it. Time and time again, repeatedly. By refusing to refusing to allow groups them to edit themselves from a public, community page they wanted nothing to do with. ''You'' are the one who caused the friction and drama: this is fallout from a situation you started, fomented and perpetuated. You know it. I know it. ''Everyone'' else knows it. <br />
::::But anyway... We apologise for this interruption, and return you now to your regularly scheduled programming: Zeug's usual arguments ad hominen, facile dissemblings and assorted "other general whinging". --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 08:36, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Shhhh ... it's OK wan. I'm sure everybody understands your pain and we're all here for you buddy. And don't worry, even with [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Zeug|4 v/b's]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#UZM|2 deletions]] and [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction|an arbi case]] called against me over the last few days I can assure you I feel in no way victimized. Quite the opposite, I love the wiki process and I love UD and its social network. And with this case maybe we can put a brake on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Grim_s&oldid=1278129#Iscariot meatpuppet attacks in the deletions vote].--[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 12:40, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
I'll arbitrate, but you should know that arbitration has a long history of ordering [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The_Fifth_Horseman_vs_Akule|deletions]], and frankly, if a decent, impartial arbitrator orders it (as seems to have happened in this case), it is a better system than internet democracy because the decision is made by someone who has all the relevant facts, as presented by the parties involved <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:23 1 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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I do not accept Bob, for obvious reasons, and will not accept Boxy due to his sysop status. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:49, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:why must you hurt my feelings when i can obviously be imapartial when I arbitrate --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 16:07, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm somewhat new to Arbies, having only added myself recently, but I'd be willing.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 20:06, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I also offer to arby. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 16:28, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Midianian vs. Karek|Midianian vs. Karek]]==<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Umbrella_Biohazard_Countermeasure_Servive_vs._Umbrella|Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive vs. Umbrella]]==<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Haliman111|Haliman]] versus [[User:MisterGame|MisterGame]]|arbitrator=[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]|created_at=23:22, 30 September 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:Haliman111|Haliman]]|status=Awaiting Opening Statements|summary=A dispute over the ownership of the [[Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service]] page.}}<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot and The Order of Philosophe Knights versus Sarah Aline and The Upper Left Corner|Iscariot and The Order of Philosophe Knights versus Sarah Aline and The Upper Left Corner]]==<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] versus [[User:S Aline|Sarah Aline]]|arbitrator=[[User:J3D|J3D]]|created_at=17:38, 4 September 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]|status=Awaiting S Aline's response|summary=Dispute over the content of the [[Southall Mansion]] location page.}}<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm and the MOB versus Zeug and Extinction|Jorm and the MOB versus Zeug and Extinction]]==<br />
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*[[:Category:Arbitration Cases|List of Arbitration Cases]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Midianian_vs_Karek&diff=1300902UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Midianian vs Karek2008-10-23T00:41:56Z<p>Jedaz: New page: ==Midianian vs. Karek== This is about the protection request where I requested that the individual CSS...</p>
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<div>==[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] vs. [[User:Karek|Karek]]==<br />
This is about the [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections#border-radius|protection request]] where I requested that the individual CSS styles creating the rounded corners on certain pages be replaced with a template, which was done by [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]], but later reverted by Karek. We discussed it on the protections page, but didn't reach an agreement. Finally he moved the request from Requested Edits to Recent Actions when [[User_talk:Karek#border-radius|I suggested we go to arbitration]] to settle this.<br />
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The pages in the original request were:<br />
*[[Main Page]]<br />
*[[Template:Navigation]]<br />
*[[Template:SugVoteBox]]<br />
*[[Template:SugVoteRules]]<br />
but I don't really mind if the template isn't edited into the first two pages, for reasons explained in the protections request.<br />
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Since this is mainly a technical matter, please do not put your name forward unless you have at least basic understanding of the technical basis of this case. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 20:28, 21 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Suggestions is the third most viewed page on the wiki and is a significant through-fare for wiki traffic(the others don't show up on popular pages because they're categories but they get a significant amount of views as well, enough that they would show up top 20 if they could). The fact that they mostly have "templated sigs", as you say, is actually that much ''more'' reason why space there ''is'' an issue, inclusion size problems would screw up the page and this template adds to the inclusion size needlessly.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:35, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll be willing to arbitrate on this matter as I'm a technically orientated person. I also have experience with the Wiki Software as well as CSS. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:48/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:I accept Jedaz. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:01, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I don't understand why Midianian thinks there is an arbitration case here. It is called a '''request''' not a demand. Should the sysop team not feel it is needed it won't be honored. If Cheese and Karek do not agree on what needs to be done with the request since they are the only two sysops that are involved they might need an arbitration (or discussion) but frankly, Midianian has no right to demand any action on this matter.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:51, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:This is the essence of arbitration, resolving edit disputes, which is exactly what this is. Just because Midianian has to request a sysop to change the page does not mean that Midianian is not an invested party, and thus has every right to request arbitration for resolving the edit dispute. I fail to see how you can not see that this is clearly an edit dispute. If the whole Sysop team disagrees with the request then no arbitration case could even get it changed (obviously). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">03:07/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::This isn't an "edit dispute" this is a functionality issue. Since Karek is a sysop and responsible for the upkeep of this wiki and the requested page to be edited is protected to only be edited by sysops then the everyday user has no expectation of getting the edit they want on the page. If the page was meant to be edited by anyone it wouldn't be locked. It's not like Midianian's request was ignored. Karek responded and decided that the current version was fine. Just because a user wants a certain edit on a page doesn't mean he should get it. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:18, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'd assume the page was protected to prevent vandalism and preserve its textual content, not its formatting. I'd have no expectation of getting the ''rules'' changed on that page through an edit request. On the other hand, getting something changed that ''isn't'' why the page was protected? Of course, as much as on any unprotected page. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:01, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And if Cheese disagreed with Karek he would have made his point in the discussion those two had on the Admin page. So it seems that none of the sysops disagree with Karek on this issue therefore the page won't be edited. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:21, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Just because someone doesn't disagree doesn't mean they agree either. Cheeze thought it was a reasonable request and grated it (even if he didn't feel strongly about it either way), so why not allow the two parties who are pushing their views to have it out in arbitration? Just because a page is protected doesn't mean that it shouldn't be changed if there are good enough reasons (and conversly it should stay the same if the reasons aren't good enough). I think there is enough grounds for an arbitration case to exist.<br />
:::I'm sure that there are sysops who don't care either way about it and would perfer to avoid any conflict. Saying nothing doesn't mean that you agree with a position either. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">03:46/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::No but, doing nothing because you know you don't know enough about it is far more telling than doing something with that same knowledge. You can't judge reasons if you don't even know what you're doing.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:52, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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What possible harm can an Arbies ruling on this matter cause if all directly involved have a good understanding of the dispute? If the page was protected to prevent textual alterations and vandalism rather than format changes and one sysop has already said it is an acceptable request then it does become an edit conflict (albiet a complex one) and were Karek to call SYSOP priviledge here it could be construed as misconduct if other sysops disagree with him. Sensible course then is obviously to let the interested parties make their case to an impartial arbitator with the technical knowledge to judge. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:21, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:I wouldn't say as much but, I also actually agree that it is subject to arbitration. Well, the suggestions page stuff is, the other two not so much as I can, and probably should, call SYSOP privilege on that and deny any change that is not necessary to the daily health and use of the page(as it's the auto-load), I also doubt Midianian would care overly much there because he's already said he's willing to concede at least that.<br /><br />That being said, I doubt there's much in the way of impartial arbitrators that I'd be willing to concede know enough code wise to be of use, I do think Jedaz knows enough. I'm not so sure that he hasn't already chosen his ruling in the matter, I'm also not going to put up with the whole both sides make an argument crap, it's already been done. I will point out that using Cheese's actions to justify the argument for doing it is ridiculous, even if he is a nice guy and tries to help out he has a history of performing administrative actions without first gathering all the knowledge needed to make those judgements well and correctly<small>(it's why I ''don't'' want him as 'crat actually)</small>, so stop it. With that I accept Jedaz, as the odds of any other users with the knowledge coming forward is slim to none.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 20:50, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Don't worry, I will be impartial and stick to the facts. I'll keep this case short and sweet. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:41/23/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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Ok, since this case is different then most other cases we'll go in the following way, both [[User:Midianian|Midianian]] and [[User:Karek|Karek]] will present a list of Pros for their side, and a list of cons for the other side of the disagreement. Once both lists have been completed I will rule as to which is more appropriate to use. I will also consider the arguments as linked to, as well as my own experience with the Wiki software and CSS. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:41/23/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
==[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]==<br />
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==[[User:Karek|Karek]]==<br />
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''Please enter the cons here in dot point format''</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration&diff=1300349UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration2008-10-22T02:46:23Z<p>Jedaz: /* Midianian vs. Karek */</p>
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While the wiki community attempts to work on the basis of encouragement and cooperation, there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord. In the event of this happening, the Arbitration Team may be called upon to intervene, and attempt to find a reasonable compromise that, while perhaps not satisfying both parties, may at least assist in defusing the situation, thanks to the unbiased third party.<br />
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=Guidelines for Arbitration Requests=<br />
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In assisting in Arbitration, we generally suggest that both parties agree to the Arbitration. This is not, by any means, a requirement, but we do require that both parties be represented in proceedings.<br />
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* '''The aggrieved parties.''' Either person vs person, or [list of people] vs [list of people].<br />
* '''The reason for the arbitration.''' This should very specifically be without reference to people, as that information has already been provided. It should be a short paragraph indicating the causes of the aggrievement, and why both parties feel it requires arbitration<br />
* '''Any pages affected by the aggrievement.''' This should be a simple list of links. <br />
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Once the Arbitration commences, the Arbitrator will request statements from all parties involved. Any evidence to back up one's statement should be provided in link form. Each party will then have an opportunity to rebut their opponent's statement. After these two steps, the Arbitrator will then consider the case, and reach a conclusion, and determine the outcome that is required. It's the duty of the Arbitrator to move a case he accepted to a subpage of UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration, and to update the status of the arbitration case in the [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Arbitration_Cases_in_Progress|Arbitration Cases in Progress]] section.<br />
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As a note, by requesting an Arbitration, all parties are thus obliged to accept the outcome of the Arbitration. Not doing will be considered Vandalism, and such vandalism attempts will be treated as if the vandal has already received two warnings.<br />
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After the Arbitration is over, it will then be moved to an archive page. As publicly accessible pages, they may be used to establish precedent in further, applicable cases.<br />
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=Current Arbitrators=<br />
:''For guidelines on how to arbitrate, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration Guidelines|Arbitration Guidelines]].''<br />
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The following users have placed their hand up as users who are willing to be contacted to act as an Arbitrator. The role of Arbitrator is not restricted to the Administration Team; any user can be contacted as an Arbitrator and use this page for the arbitration, so long as both parties agree to the Arbitrator. Users who wish to place their hand up as an Arbitrator should place their name below on the list, using {{CodeInline|<nowiki>*{{usr|YourUserPage}}</nowiki>}}<br />
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*[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<br />
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*{{usr|DanceDanceRevolution}}<br />
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==[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] vs. [[User:Karek|Karek]]==<br />
This is about the [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections#border-radius|protection request]] where I requested that the individual CSS styles creating the rounded corners on certain pages be replaced with a template, which was done by [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]], but later reverted by Karek. We discussed it on the protections page, but didn't reach an agreement. Finally he moved the request from Requested Edits to Recent Actions when [[User_talk:Karek#border-radius|I suggested we go to arbitration]] to settle this.<br />
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The pages in the original request were:<br />
*[[Main Page]]<br />
*[[Template:Navigation]]<br />
*[[Template:SugVoteBox]]<br />
*[[Template:SugVoteRules]]<br />
but I don't really mind if the template isn't edited into the first two pages, for reasons explained in the protections request.<br />
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Since this is mainly a technical matter, please do not put your name forward unless you have at least basic understanding of the technical basis of this case. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 20:28, 21 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Suggestions is the third most viewed page on the wiki and is a significant through-fare for wiki traffic(the others don't show up on popular pages because they're categories but they get a significant amount of views as well, enough that they would show up top 20 if they could). The fact that they mostly have "templated sigs", as you say, is actually that much ''more'' reason why space there ''is'' an issue, inclusion size problems would screw up the page and this template adds to the inclusion size needlessly.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:35, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll be willing to arbitrate on this matter as I'm a technically orientated person. I also have experience with the Wiki Software as well as CSS. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:48/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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I don't understand why Midianian thinks there is an arbitration case here. It is called a '''request''' not a demand. Should the sysop team not feel it is needed it won't be honored. If Cheese and Karek do not agree on what needs to be done with the request since they are the only two sysops that are involved they might need an arbitration (or discussion) but frankly, Midianian has no right to demand any action on this matter.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:51, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:This is the essence of arbitration, resolving edit disputes, which is exactly what this is. Just because Midianian has to request a sysop to change the page does not mean that Midianian is not an invested party, and thus has every right to request arbitration for resolving the edit dispute. I fail to see how you can not see that this is clearly an edit dispute. If the whole Sysop team disagrees with the request then no arbitration case could even get it changed (obviously). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">03:07/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::This isn't an "edit dispute" this is a functionality issue. Since Karek is a sysop and responsible for the upkeep of this wiki and the requested page to be edited is protected to only be edited by sysops then the everyday user has no expectation of getting the edit they want on the page. If the page was meant to be edited by anyone it wouldn't be locked. It's not like Midianian's request was ignored. Karek responded and decided that the current version was fine. Just because a user wants a certain edit on a page doesn't mean he should get it. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:18, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And if Cheese disagreed with Karek he would have made his point in the discussion those two had on the Admin page. So it seems that none of the sysops disagree with Karek on this issue therefore the page won't be edited. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:21, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Just because someone doesn't disagree doesn't mean they agree either. Cheeze thought it was a reasonable request and grated it (even if he didn't feel strongly about it either way), so why not allow the two parties who are pushing their views to have it out in arbitration? Just because a page is protected doesn't mean that it shouldn't be changed if there are good enough reasons (and conversly it should stay the same if the reasons aren't good enough). I think there is enough grounds for an arbitration case to exist.<br />
:::I'm sure that there are sysops who don't care either way about it and would perfer to avoid any conflict. Saying nothing doesn't mean that you agree with a position either. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">03:46/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot]] vs. [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]==<br />
This is a case over the ruling in the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction Jorm/Zeug case]. Cheese has exceeded his remit as arbitrator in this case by ordering the circumvention of established wiki procedure.<br />
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I wish to have sections of his ruling stricken and declared unenforceable.<br />
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I will accept any arbitrator who has shown an understanding for following established wiki policy and procedure in their edit history. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:15, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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I can has arby? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 23:38, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:<s>I accept Bob. He has long shown that he follows wiki policy and procedure to the letter. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:39, 30 September 2008 (BST)</s><br />
::My indiscretions are by choice, not by lack of knowledge. You'll also note that I was more than courteous and impartial in my previous case. I take being an arbitrator seriously. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 00:31, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Seriously though, I think this case is one of the most moronic that has ever been brought. Iscariot basically wants my ruling stricken so that a deleted page can be restored just to be deleted again next week. This is stupid and a waste of time on everyone's part. I refuse to play any part in this. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:16, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Then the arby ruling will happen without any input from you whatsoever. And if he finds an arbitrator sympathetic to his side, he'll get what he wants, thus just wasting more time when the page gets re-deleted. If he's serious, go along, or find representation. You should know all of this. Save others time by sacrificing a little to go with the case.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:28, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Fine. I still think this is moronic. But SA has a point. I will represent myself. Arbitrators who want in, please leave a note. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:31, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Wait a minute. You can not arbitrate against someone that doesn't choose to participate in the arbitration. ''Then the arby ruling will happen without any input from you whatsoever. '' This is complete bullshit. If this was the case then I could go back and find either old pages that the users have "abandoned" or for that matter users that aren't as active these days and set up cases against them, pick my buddy to arby, and get whatever I wanted done. Arbies has to have BOTH parties involved and if Cheese refuses to participate then he can not be forced to. Arbies is an option not required for conflict resolution. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:55, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Shhh, don't tell the peoplez da truth!--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:39, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Actually the rules say an Arbies case can be made without participation of the other side.... however there s no point doing so as without their agreement to enter the process there s no way to make them accept the outcome! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:30, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::And that loophole right there is the crux of what is fucking wrong with this wiki. That needs to be closed up. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:09, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You're wrong, sorry. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:12, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::It's not really a loophole though is it? You can't force someone to accept arbitration, it goes totally counter to the meaning of the word! Perhaps a seperate procedure for such cases might work but that would really be a case of asking for judgement rather than a negotiated settlement and there is no way that the person bringing such a case should have any control over who rules on it... Hell such a thing should probably be open to public vote like deletions is!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:24, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Actually it's probably a good chance to clarify established wiki procedure and underline where Arbitration fits on this wiki. If deletions can be forced through by 'popular' vote (ie meatpuppets) without recourse to arbitration then it's anarchy, a good example is [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#UZM|wan's direct recourse to deletion]] twice now with both the original UZM and its redirect. As it is the deletions vote is an easy bad faith way of not bothering with arbitration. As for your ruling being 'unenforceable' ... well it came to the same conclusion as wan's delete request, Iscariot's vote and upheld jorm's request for deletion! It doesn't override or circumvent but rather concurs. It would be enforceable after the vote cos even if the ''Keep's'' won the day I would have requested ''speedy deletion'' as per your ruling. Finally, as original author I changed my vote to ''speedy delete'' and isn't that justification in itself for speedy deletion (criteria #7 Author Edit Only)? Isn't there a procedure to deal with litigious members on this wiki? They're generally a huge waste of time otherwise. --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 07:42, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Quit your whining, and quit trying to play the victim. No one buys it. ''You'' started this problem, and you escalated it. Time and time again, repeatedly. By refusing to refusing to allow groups them to edit themselves from a public, community page they wanted nothing to do with. ''You'' are the one who caused the friction and drama: this is fallout from a situation you started, fomented and perpetuated. You know it. I know it. ''Everyone'' else knows it. <br />
::::But anyway... We apologise for this interruption, and return you now to your regularly scheduled programming: Zeug's usual arguments ad hominen, facile dissemblings and assorted "other general whinging". --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 08:36, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Shhhh ... it's OK wan. I'm sure everybody understands your pain and we're all here for you buddy. And don't worry, even with [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Zeug|4 v/b's]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#UZM|2 deletions]] and [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction|an arbi case]] called against me over the last few days I can assure you I feel in no way victimized. Quite the opposite, I love the wiki process and I love UD and its social network. And with this case maybe we can put a brake on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Grim_s&oldid=1278129#Iscariot meatpuppet attacks in the deletions vote].--[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 12:40, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
I'll arbitrate, but you should know that arbitration has a long history of ordering [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The_Fifth_Horseman_vs_Akule|deletions]], and frankly, if a decent, impartial arbitrator orders it (as seems to have happened in this case), it is a better system than internet democracy because the decision is made by someone who has all the relevant facts, as presented by the parties involved <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:23 1 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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I do not accept Bob, for obvious reasons, and will not accept Boxy due to his sysop status. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:49, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:why must you hurt my feelings when i can obviously be imapartial when I arbitrate --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 16:07, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm somewhat new to Arbies, having only added myself recently, but I'd be willing.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 20:06, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I also offer to arby. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 16:28, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot and The Order of Philosophe Knights versus Sarah Aline and The Upper Left Corner|Iscariot and The Order of Philosophe Knights versus Sarah Aline and The Upper Left Corner]]==<br />
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While the wiki community attempts to work on the basis of encouragement and cooperation, there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord. In the event of this happening, the Arbitration Team may be called upon to intervene, and attempt to find a reasonable compromise that, while perhaps not satisfying both parties, may at least assist in defusing the situation, thanks to the unbiased third party.<br />
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=Guidelines for Arbitration Requests=<br />
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In assisting in Arbitration, we generally suggest that both parties agree to the Arbitration. This is not, by any means, a requirement, but we do require that both parties be represented in proceedings.<br />
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Any Arbitration request should provide at least the following:<br />
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* '''The aggrieved parties.''' Either person vs person, or [list of people] vs [list of people].<br />
* '''The reason for the arbitration.''' This should very specifically be without reference to people, as that information has already been provided. It should be a short paragraph indicating the causes of the aggrievement, and why both parties feel it requires arbitration<br />
* '''Any pages affected by the aggrievement.''' This should be a simple list of links. <br />
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Once the Arbitration commences, the Arbitrator will request statements from all parties involved. Any evidence to back up one's statement should be provided in link form. Each party will then have an opportunity to rebut their opponent's statement. After these two steps, the Arbitrator will then consider the case, and reach a conclusion, and determine the outcome that is required. It's the duty of the Arbitrator to move a case he accepted to a subpage of UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration, and to update the status of the arbitration case in the [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Arbitration_Cases_in_Progress|Arbitration Cases in Progress]] section.<br />
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As a note, by requesting an Arbitration, all parties are thus obliged to accept the outcome of the Arbitration. Not doing will be considered Vandalism, and such vandalism attempts will be treated as if the vandal has already received two warnings.<br />
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After the Arbitration is over, it will then be moved to an archive page. As publicly accessible pages, they may be used to establish precedent in further, applicable cases.<br />
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=Current Arbitrators=<br />
:''For guidelines on how to arbitrate, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration Guidelines|Arbitration Guidelines]].''<br />
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The following users have placed their hand up as users who are willing to be contacted to act as an Arbitrator. The role of Arbitrator is not restricted to the Administration Team; any user can be contacted as an Arbitrator and use this page for the arbitration, so long as both parties agree to the Arbitrator. Users who wish to place their hand up as an Arbitrator should place their name below on the list, using {{CodeInline|<nowiki>*{{usr|YourUserPage}}</nowiki>}}<br />
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Also note that not all listed Arbitrators are active on the Wiki.<br />
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*[[User:Atticus Rex|Atticus Rex]]<br />
*[[User:Axe Hack|Axe Hack]]<br />
*[[User:Blood Panther|Blood Panther]]<br />
*[[User:Boxy|boxy]]<br />
*[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]]<br />
*[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<br />
*[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]]<br />
*{{usr|DanceDanceRevolution}}<br />
*[[User:DarkStar|DarkStar]]<br />
*[[User:Ashley Valentine|DevilAsh]]<br />
*{{User|Dragon fang}}<br />
*[[User:Drawde|Drawde]]<br />
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*[[User:Finis Valorum|Finis Valorum]]<br />
*[[User:Funt_Solo|Funt Solo]]<br />
*[[User: Gus Thomas|Gus Thomas]]<br />
*[[User:Galaxy125|Galaxy125]]<br />
*[[User:hagnat|hagnat]]<br />
*[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]<br />
*[[User:Headless Gunner|Headless Gunner]]<br />
*[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]<br />
*[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]<br />
*[[User:J3D|Jed]]<br />
*[[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]]<br />
*[[User:JaredV|JaredV]]<br />
*[[User:Karek|Karek]]<br />
*[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]]<br />
*{{user|Labine50}}<br />
*[[User:Matthewfarenheit|Matthewfarenheit]]<br />
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*[[User:Sexylegsread|MichaelRead]]<br />
*[[User:MikhailA|MikhailA]]<br />
*[[user:Novascotia|Novascotia]]<br />
*[[user:Nubis|Nubis]]<br />
*[[User:Ottari|Ottari]]<br />
*[[User:Pdeq|Pdeq]]<br />
*[[user:rosslessness|Rosslessness]]<br />
*[[User:Scotw|Scotw]]<br />
*[[User:Seventythree|Seventythree]]<br />
*[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]]<br />
*[[User:Studoku|Studoku]]<br />
*[[User:Suicidalangel|Suicidal Angel]]<br />
*[[User:Toejam|Toejam]]<br />
*[[User:V2Blast|V2Blast]]<br />
*[[User:Xan2020|Xan Krieger]]<br />
*[[User:Zombie slay3r|Z. slay3r]]<br />
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==[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] vs. [[User:Karek|Karek]]==<br />
This is about the [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections#border-radius|protection request]] where I requested that the individual CSS styles creating the rounded corners on certain pages be replaced with a template, which was done by [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]], but later reverted by Karek. We discussed it on the protections page, but didn't reach an agreement. Finally he moved the request from Requested Edits to Recent Actions when [[User_talk:Karek#border-radius|I suggested we go to arbitration]] to settle this.<br />
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The pages in the original request were:<br />
*[[Main Page]]<br />
*[[Template:Navigation]]<br />
*[[Template:SugVoteBox]]<br />
*[[Template:SugVoteRules]]<br />
but I don't really mind if the template isn't edited into the first two pages, for reasons explained in the protections request.<br />
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Since this is mainly a technical matter, please do not put your name forward unless you have at least basic understanding of the technical basis of this case. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 20:28, 21 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Suggestions is the third most viewed page on the wiki and is a significant through-fare for wiki traffic(the others don't show up on popular pages because they're categories but they get a significant amount of views as well, enough that they would show up top 20 if they could). The fact that they mostly have "templated sigs", as you say, is actually that much ''more'' reason why space there ''is'' an issue, inclusion size problems would screw up the page and this template adds to the inclusion size needlessly.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:35, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll be willing to arbitrate on this matter as I'm a technically orientated person. I also have experience with the Wiki Software as well as CSS. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:48/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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I don't understand why Midianian thinks there is an arbitration case here. It is called a '''request''' not a demand. Should the sysop team not feel it is needed it won't be honored. If Cheese and Karek do not agree on what needs to be done with the request since they are the only two sysops that are involved they might need an arbitration (or discussion) but frankly, Midianian has no right to demand any action on this matter.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:51, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:This is the essence of arbitration, resolving edit disputes, which is exactly what this is. Just because Midianian has to request a sysop to change the page does not mean that Midianian is not an invested party, and thus has every right to request arbitration for resolving the edit dispute. I fail to see how you can not see that this is clearly an edit dispute. If the whole Sysop team disagrees with the request then no arbitration case could even get it changed (obviously). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">03:07/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot]] vs. [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]==<br />
This is a case over the ruling in the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction Jorm/Zeug case]. Cheese has exceeded his remit as arbitrator in this case by ordering the circumvention of established wiki procedure.<br />
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I wish to have sections of his ruling stricken and declared unenforceable.<br />
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I will accept any arbitrator who has shown an understanding for following established wiki policy and procedure in their edit history. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:15, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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I can has arby? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 23:38, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:<s>I accept Bob. He has long shown that he follows wiki policy and procedure to the letter. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:39, 30 September 2008 (BST)</s><br />
::My indiscretions are by choice, not by lack of knowledge. You'll also note that I was more than courteous and impartial in my previous case. I take being an arbitrator seriously. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 00:31, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Seriously though, I think this case is one of the most moronic that has ever been brought. Iscariot basically wants my ruling stricken so that a deleted page can be restored just to be deleted again next week. This is stupid and a waste of time on everyone's part. I refuse to play any part in this. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:16, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Then the arby ruling will happen without any input from you whatsoever. And if he finds an arbitrator sympathetic to his side, he'll get what he wants, thus just wasting more time when the page gets re-deleted. If he's serious, go along, or find representation. You should know all of this. Save others time by sacrificing a little to go with the case.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:28, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Fine. I still think this is moronic. But SA has a point. I will represent myself. Arbitrators who want in, please leave a note. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:31, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Wait a minute. You can not arbitrate against someone that doesn't choose to participate in the arbitration. ''Then the arby ruling will happen without any input from you whatsoever. '' This is complete bullshit. If this was the case then I could go back and find either old pages that the users have "abandoned" or for that matter users that aren't as active these days and set up cases against them, pick my buddy to arby, and get whatever I wanted done. Arbies has to have BOTH parties involved and if Cheese refuses to participate then he can not be forced to. Arbies is an option not required for conflict resolution. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:55, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Shhh, don't tell the peoplez da truth!--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:39, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Actually the rules say an Arbies case can be made without participation of the other side.... however there s no point doing so as without their agreement to enter the process there s no way to make them accept the outcome! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:30, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::And that loophole right there is the crux of what is fucking wrong with this wiki. That needs to be closed up. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:09, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You're wrong, sorry. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:12, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::It's not really a loophole though is it? You can't force someone to accept arbitration, it goes totally counter to the meaning of the word! Perhaps a seperate procedure for such cases might work but that would really be a case of asking for judgement rather than a negotiated settlement and there is no way that the person bringing such a case should have any control over who rules on it... Hell such a thing should probably be open to public vote like deletions is!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:24, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Actually it's probably a good chance to clarify established wiki procedure and underline where Arbitration fits on this wiki. If deletions can be forced through by 'popular' vote (ie meatpuppets) without recourse to arbitration then it's anarchy, a good example is [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#UZM|wan's direct recourse to deletion]] twice now with both the original UZM and its redirect. As it is the deletions vote is an easy bad faith way of not bothering with arbitration. As for your ruling being 'unenforceable' ... well it came to the same conclusion as wan's delete request, Iscariot's vote and upheld jorm's request for deletion! It doesn't override or circumvent but rather concurs. It would be enforceable after the vote cos even if the ''Keep's'' won the day I would have requested ''speedy deletion'' as per your ruling. Finally, as original author I changed my vote to ''speedy delete'' and isn't that justification in itself for speedy deletion (criteria #7 Author Edit Only)? Isn't there a procedure to deal with litigious members on this wiki? They're generally a huge waste of time otherwise. --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 07:42, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Quit your whining, and quit trying to play the victim. No one buys it. ''You'' started this problem, and you escalated it. Time and time again, repeatedly. By refusing to refusing to allow groups them to edit themselves from a public, community page they wanted nothing to do with. ''You'' are the one who caused the friction and drama: this is fallout from a situation you started, fomented and perpetuated. You know it. I know it. ''Everyone'' else knows it. <br />
::::But anyway... We apologise for this interruption, and return you now to your regularly scheduled programming: Zeug's usual arguments ad hominen, facile dissemblings and assorted "other general whinging". --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 08:36, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Shhhh ... it's OK wan. I'm sure everybody understands your pain and we're all here for you buddy. And don't worry, even with [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Zeug|4 v/b's]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#UZM|2 deletions]] and [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction|an arbi case]] called against me over the last few days I can assure you I feel in no way victimized. Quite the opposite, I love the wiki process and I love UD and its social network. And with this case maybe we can put a brake on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Grim_s&oldid=1278129#Iscariot meatpuppet attacks in the deletions vote].--[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 12:40, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
I'll arbitrate, but you should know that arbitration has a long history of ordering [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The_Fifth_Horseman_vs_Akule|deletions]], and frankly, if a decent, impartial arbitrator orders it (as seems to have happened in this case), it is a better system than internet democracy because the decision is made by someone who has all the relevant facts, as presented by the parties involved <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:23 1 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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I do not accept Bob, for obvious reasons, and will not accept Boxy due to his sysop status. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:49, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:why must you hurt my feelings when i can obviously be imapartial when I arbitrate --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 16:07, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm somewhat new to Arbies, having only added myself recently, but I'd be willing.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 20:06, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I also offer to arby. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 16:28, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Umbrella_Biohazard_Countermeasure_Servive_vs._Umbrella|Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive vs. Umbrella]]==<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm and the MOB versus Zeug and Extinction|Jorm and the MOB versus Zeug and Extinction]]==<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] versus [[User:Zeug|Zeug]]|arbitrator=[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]|created_at=21:32, 22 September 2008|created_by=[[User:Jorm|Jorm]]|status=Waiting for terms of the ruling to be accepted and carried out.|summary=Jorm wants all references to the [[MOB]] removed from Zeug's [[United Zombies of Malton]] portal and from aforementioned portal's wiki page.}}<br />
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*[[:Category:Arbitration Cases|List of Arbitration Cases]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration&diff=1300320UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration2008-10-22T01:48:21Z<p>Jedaz: /* Midianian vs. Karek */</p>
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While the wiki community attempts to work on the basis of encouragement and cooperation, there are occasions where wiki users find themselves unable to reach accord. In the event of this happening, the Arbitration Team may be called upon to intervene, and attempt to find a reasonable compromise that, while perhaps not satisfying both parties, may at least assist in defusing the situation, thanks to the unbiased third party.<br />
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=Guidelines for Arbitration Requests=<br />
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In assisting in Arbitration, we generally suggest that both parties agree to the Arbitration. This is not, by any means, a requirement, but we do require that both parties be represented in proceedings.<br />
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Any Arbitration request should provide at least the following:<br />
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* '''The aggrieved parties.''' Either person vs person, or [list of people] vs [list of people].<br />
* '''The reason for the arbitration.''' This should very specifically be without reference to people, as that information has already been provided. It should be a short paragraph indicating the causes of the aggrievement, and why both parties feel it requires arbitration<br />
* '''Any pages affected by the aggrievement.''' This should be a simple list of links. <br />
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Once the Arbitration commences, the Arbitrator will request statements from all parties involved. Any evidence to back up one's statement should be provided in link form. Each party will then have an opportunity to rebut their opponent's statement. After these two steps, the Arbitrator will then consider the case, and reach a conclusion, and determine the outcome that is required. It's the duty of the Arbitrator to move a case he accepted to a subpage of UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration, and to update the status of the arbitration case in the [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Arbitration_Cases_in_Progress|Arbitration Cases in Progress]] section.<br />
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As a note, by requesting an Arbitration, all parties are thus obliged to accept the outcome of the Arbitration. Not doing will be considered Vandalism, and such vandalism attempts will be treated as if the vandal has already received two warnings.<br />
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After the Arbitration is over, it will then be moved to an archive page. As publicly accessible pages, they may be used to establish precedent in further, applicable cases.<br />
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=Current Arbitrators=<br />
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The following users have placed their hand up as users who are willing to be contacted to act as an Arbitrator. The role of Arbitrator is not restricted to the Administration Team; any user can be contacted as an Arbitrator and use this page for the arbitration, so long as both parties agree to the Arbitrator. Users who wish to place their hand up as an Arbitrator should place their name below on the list, using {{CodeInline|<nowiki>*{{usr|YourUserPage}}</nowiki>}}<br />
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Also note that not all listed Arbitrators are active on the Wiki.<br />
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*{{User|Airborne88}}<br />
*{{usr|Akule}}<br />
*[[User:AnimeSucks|AnimeSucks]]<br />
*[[User:Atticus Rex|Atticus Rex]]<br />
*[[User:Axe Hack|Axe Hack]]<br />
*[[User:Blood Panther|Blood Panther]]<br />
*[[User:Boxy|boxy]]<br />
*[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]]<br />
*[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<br />
*[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob240]]<br />
*{{usr|DanceDanceRevolution}}<br />
*[[User:DarkStar|DarkStar]]<br />
*[[User:Ashley Valentine|DevilAsh]]<br />
*{{User|Dragon fang}}<br />
*[[User:Drawde|Drawde]]<br />
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*[[User:Finis Valorum|Finis Valorum]]<br />
*[[User:Funt_Solo|Funt Solo]]<br />
*[[User: Gus Thomas|Gus Thomas]]<br />
*[[User:Galaxy125|Galaxy125]]<br />
*[[User:hagnat|hagnat]]<br />
*[[User:Haliman111|Haliman111]]<br />
*[[User:Headless Gunner|Headless Gunner]]<br />
*[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]]<br />
*[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]<br />
*[[User:J3D|Jed]]<br />
*[[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]]<br />
*[[User:JaredV|JaredV]]<br />
*[[User:Karek|Karek]]<br />
*[[User:Kikashie|Kikashie]]<br />
*{{user|Labine50}}<br />
*[[User:Matthewfarenheit|Matthewfarenheit]]<br />
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*[[User:Sexylegsread|MichaelRead]]<br />
*[[User:MikhailA|MikhailA]]<br />
*[[user:Novascotia|Novascotia]]<br />
*[[user:Nubis|Nubis]]<br />
*[[User:Ottari|Ottari]]<br />
*[[User:Pdeq|Pdeq]]<br />
*[[user:rosslessness|Rosslessness]]<br />
*[[User:Scotw|Scotw]]<br />
*[[User:Seventythree|Seventythree]]<br />
*[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]]<br />
*[[User:Studoku|Studoku]]<br />
*[[User:Suicidalangel|Suicidal Angel]]<br />
*[[User:Toejam|Toejam]]<br />
*[[User:V2Blast|V2Blast]]<br />
*[[User:Xan2020|Xan Krieger]]<br />
*[[User:Zombie slay3r|Z. slay3r]]<br />
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==[[User:Midianian|Midianian]] vs. [[User:Karek|Karek]]==<br />
This is about the [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections#border-radius|protection request]] where I requested that the individual CSS styles creating the rounded corners on certain pages be replaced with a template, which was done by [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]], but later reverted by Karek. We discussed it on the protections page, but didn't reach an agreement. Finally he moved the request from Requested Edits to Recent Actions when [[User_talk:Karek#border-radius|I suggested we go to arbitration]] to settle this.<br />
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The pages in the original request were:<br />
*[[Main Page]]<br />
*[[Template:Navigation]]<br />
*[[Template:SugVoteBox]]<br />
*[[Template:SugVoteRules]]<br />
but I don't really mind if the template isn't edited into the first two pages, for reasons explained in the protections request.<br />
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Since this is mainly a technical matter, please do not put your name forward unless you have at least basic understanding of the technical basis of this case. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 20:28, 21 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Suggestions is the third most viewed page on the wiki and is a significant through-fare for wiki traffic(the others don't show up on popular pages because they're categories but they get a significant amount of views as well, enough that they would show up top 20 if they could). The fact that they mostly have "templated sigs", as you say, is actually that much ''more'' reason why space there ''is'' an issue, inclusion size problems would screw up the page and this template adds to the inclusion size needlessly.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:35, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll be willing to arbitrate on this matter as I'm a technically orientated person. I also have experience with the Wiki Software as well as CSS. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:48/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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==[[User:Iscariot|St. Iscariot]] vs. [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]==<br />
This is a case over the ruling in the [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction Jorm/Zeug case]. Cheese has exceeded his remit as arbitrator in this case by ordering the circumvention of established wiki procedure.<br />
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I wish to have sections of his ruling stricken and declared unenforceable.<br />
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I will accept any arbitrator who has shown an understanding for following established wiki policy and procedure in their edit history. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:15, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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I can has arby? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 23:38, 30 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:<s>I accept Bob. He has long shown that he follows wiki policy and procedure to the letter. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 23:39, 30 September 2008 (BST)</s><br />
::My indiscretions are by choice, not by lack of knowledge. You'll also note that I was more than courteous and impartial in my previous case. I take being an arbitrator seriously. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 00:31, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Seriously though, I think this case is one of the most moronic that has ever been brought. Iscariot basically wants my ruling stricken so that a deleted page can be restored just to be deleted again next week. This is stupid and a waste of time on everyone's part. I refuse to play any part in this. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:16, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Then the arby ruling will happen without any input from you whatsoever. And if he finds an arbitrator sympathetic to his side, he'll get what he wants, thus just wasting more time when the page gets re-deleted. If he's serious, go along, or find representation. You should know all of this. Save others time by sacrificing a little to go with the case.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:28, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Fine. I still think this is moronic. But SA has a point. I will represent myself. Arbitrators who want in, please leave a note. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 00:31, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Wait a minute. You can not arbitrate against someone that doesn't choose to participate in the arbitration. ''Then the arby ruling will happen without any input from you whatsoever. '' This is complete bullshit. If this was the case then I could go back and find either old pages that the users have "abandoned" or for that matter users that aren't as active these days and set up cases against them, pick my buddy to arby, and get whatever I wanted done. Arbies has to have BOTH parties involved and if Cheese refuses to participate then he can not be forced to. Arbies is an option not required for conflict resolution. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:55, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Shhh, don't tell the peoplez da truth!--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 00:39, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Actually the rules say an Arbies case can be made without participation of the other side.... however there s no point doing so as without their agreement to enter the process there s no way to make them accept the outcome! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:30, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::And that loophole right there is the crux of what is fucking wrong with this wiki. That needs to be closed up. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:09, 2 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You're wrong, sorry. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:12, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::It's not really a loophole though is it? You can't force someone to accept arbitration, it goes totally counter to the meaning of the word! Perhaps a seperate procedure for such cases might work but that would really be a case of asking for judgement rather than a negotiated settlement and there is no way that the person bringing such a case should have any control over who rules on it... Hell such a thing should probably be open to public vote like deletions is!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:24, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Actually it's probably a good chance to clarify established wiki procedure and underline where Arbitration fits on this wiki. If deletions can be forced through by 'popular' vote (ie meatpuppets) without recourse to arbitration then it's anarchy, a good example is [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#UZM|wan's direct recourse to deletion]] twice now with both the original UZM and its redirect. As it is the deletions vote is an easy bad faith way of not bothering with arbitration. As for your ruling being 'unenforceable' ... well it came to the same conclusion as wan's delete request, Iscariot's vote and upheld jorm's request for deletion! It doesn't override or circumvent but rather concurs. It would be enforceable after the vote cos even if the ''Keep's'' won the day I would have requested ''speedy deletion'' as per your ruling. Finally, as original author I changed my vote to ''speedy delete'' and isn't that justification in itself for speedy deletion (criteria #7 Author Edit Only)? Isn't there a procedure to deal with litigious members on this wiki? They're generally a huge waste of time otherwise. --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 07:42, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Quit your whining, and quit trying to play the victim. No one buys it. ''You'' started this problem, and you escalated it. Time and time again, repeatedly. By refusing to refusing to allow groups them to edit themselves from a public, community page they wanted nothing to do with. ''You'' are the one who caused the friction and drama: this is fallout from a situation you started, fomented and perpetuated. You know it. I know it. ''Everyone'' else knows it. <br />
::::But anyway... We apologise for this interruption, and return you now to your regularly scheduled programming: Zeug's usual arguments ad hominen, facile dissemblings and assorted "other general whinging". --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 08:36, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Shhhh ... it's OK wan. I'm sure everybody understands your pain and we're all here for you buddy. And don't worry, even with [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Zeug|4 v/b's]], [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions#UZM|2 deletions]] and [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction|an arbi case]] called against me over the last few days I can assure you I feel in no way victimized. Quite the opposite, I love the wiki process and I love UD and its social network. And with this case maybe we can put a brake on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Grim_s&oldid=1278129#Iscariot meatpuppet attacks in the deletions vote].--[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 12:40, 1 October 2008 (BST)<br />
I'll arbitrate, but you should know that arbitration has a long history of ordering [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/The_Fifth_Horseman_vs_Akule|deletions]], and frankly, if a decent, impartial arbitrator orders it (as seems to have happened in this case), it is a better system than internet democracy because the decision is made by someone who has all the relevant facts, as presented by the parties involved <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:23 1 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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I do not accept Bob, for obvious reasons, and will not accept Boxy due to his sysop status. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 11:49, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:why must you hurt my feelings when i can obviously be imapartial when I arbitrate --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 16:07, 3 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm somewhat new to Arbies, having only added myself recently, but I'd be willing.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 20:06, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I also offer to arby. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 16:28, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Umbrella_Biohazard_Countermeasure_Servive_vs._Umbrella|Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive vs. Umbrella]]==<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Haliman111|Haliman]] versus [[User:MisterGame|MisterGame]]|arbitrator=[[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheese]]|created_at=23:22, 30 September 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:Haliman111|Haliman]]|status=Awaiting Opening Statements|summary=A dispute over the ownership of the [[Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service]] page.}}<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Iscariot and The Order of Philosophe Knights versus Sarah Aline and The Upper Left Corner|Iscariot and The Order of Philosophe Knights versus Sarah Aline and The Upper Left Corner]]==<br />
{{ArbitrationStatus|users=[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]] versus [[User:S Aline|Sarah Aline]]|arbitrator=[[User:J3D|J3D]]|created_at=17:38, 4 September 2008 (BST)|created_by=[[User:Iscariot|Iscariot]]|status=Awaiting Iscariot's case|summary=Dispute over the content of the [[Southall Mansion]] location page.}}<br />
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==[[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Jorm and the MOB versus Zeug and Extinction|Jorm and the MOB versus Zeug and Extinction]]==<br />
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*[[:Category:Arbitration Cases|List of Arbitration Cases]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Promotions&diff=1300308UDWiki:Administration/Promotions2008-10-22T01:33:45Z<p>Jedaz: /* {{usr|hagnat}} */</p>
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==={{usr|hagnat}}===<br />
Most users know my past work as a sysop. Most users know my reason to quit my former status and fade from the wiki. That reason... is now gone. So i submit myself again for promotion. Even though i have a thesis to finish in the next months, I would also like to be able to return to my sysop duties --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 02:52, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' I... I... he's grown on me... *sigh*--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 02:55, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''vouch''' can be an ass but he has the skills and the dedication to make him a good target for promotion!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 03:03, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*:wub ya too :* --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 03:05, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*::Gonna make an addition to my vote as a direct response to Funts current firm opinion :) Hagnat is a long term editor and ex-sysop. he has made mistakes and he has acted like a total twat to a few users. However he has always acted in in what he saw as the best interest of this wiki... Those he hounded he did so because, right or wrong, he saw them as a problem. The corners he cut never, as far as i remember, caused any real problem. He dropped out as a sysop because this is a game and supposed to be fun.... Grim and others were making it a chore so who can blame him for putting the real world 1st? Basically to answer such questions i point out that he at least has the decency to stand up and accept responsibility for his mistakes and misdemeanors. His stupid policy on vandal amnesty shows the depth of his regret for those actions. His short cuts almost always did more good than harm and he has always been a firm advocate of sysop accountability (not the same as popularity votes, though many would have you believe it is!) What can I say? I do not know him personally, He has not bribed me to be nice (he didn't even put gold in the basket which all the cool kids used too!) I still think he can be an ass and, like Funt, i disagree with a lot of his policy discussions. All told though we need a roguish sysop like Hagnat to balance Cheeses "krazziness" AHG's niceness and Kareks "I AM THE LAW"ness He has long since proved he has the skill to do the job and i believe he has shown the judgement and maturity to be an excellent choice for sysop. I shudder to find that I agree with Akule (joke) "HAGNAT FOR 'CRAT!"--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 17:47, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' The only problem I ever really had with you was rushing off to ban problem users. I'm willing to believe that you have cooled off a bit since then. We can used experienced sysops.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' – Welcome back ya big mug. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' - Go for it!--{{User:Blood Panther/Sig}} 04:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' As the oldest standing sysop I approve this candidate, although I do think he needs more practice in actual wiki edits. ;) [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:44, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' - so we can show them how to do a coup the right way.... oh shit.. did I just give up the secret plan?--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 08:59, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Against''' - The guy was a rogue sysop last time, it took sustained effort to make him understand this and request his powers be removed. He randomly made up the job and justifications for his decisions ignoring both precedent and policy, modding as he saw fit. Since his 'return' there is no indication that any of this will change in any way. The guy had lost the community trust last time, and has certainly done nothing to replace it since. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 09:49, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*:Lost community trust, does that include the community that is dominantly vouching him? Hehe. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 04:39, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''<s>Abstain</s> Against''' - For the moment, I need to see that you will be committed for the long haul, and not just throw in the towel when things aren't fun any more. I think you owe it to the community to show them you are committed by contributing to the wiki on a normal user basis for a while, rather than just walking back into the job when you feel like it. I am leaning towards against for that very reason, but I will mull this over when I have more time. I think you do a wonderful job, but I don't think anyone deserves to come back and have the privileged of being a sysop when they see fit. I know you had work to do and I understand that reasoning completely, however I would like to see a sustained effort on a user basis, or a strong statement, before my vote swings which way.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 10:00, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Well you haven't provided a strong statement, which makes me think you don't feel the need to earn vouches and just believe that being a sysop in the past will grant you an automatic walk on job this time around, and I have had time to think it over. I think that owning up is good, but how about just hanging round the wiki, proving you enjoy it and contribute to it just as much as a regular user, and proving to all of us that you are committed to it as a regular user, and I would vouch for you next time round. Against for now.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 08:55, 16 October 2008 (BST) <br />
*'''Vouch''' - He may have bent the rules now and then, but he had good intentions and got the job done. Just promise to be good and you've got my support. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 10:06, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Against''' - Spend some more time as a regular user. Learn to use the administration pages when you want something done and you'll get a vouch from me in a month or two. Until then, no. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 10:13, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Abstain''' - As Sexy. ohshi did I just say that --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:19, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' - Great guy, and when it comes down to it, that's all that really matters (It also helps that he knows the wiki as well haha) {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 10:22, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Against <s>Abstain</s> <s>Vouch</s>''' - Question: what editing do you do on this wiki that benefits the information that a player of the game finds useful? Question: why are you needed as a sysop? --<span style="font-size:90%">[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]]</span> <sup style="font-size:70%">[[Mod_Conspiracy|QT]]</sup> [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|18px]] 17:23, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*:''1st Question:'' You have got to be kidding, right ? Lemmesee... i made the suburb dangermap something useful and easy to edit, i have created MIC and its copy-pastas, the suburb template is also my creation, i have added the ''first time playing'' box on the main page, i created the clothes template (really useless, but its a thing)... there is so many stuff that i have done that i cant really remember them all<br />
*:''2nd Question:'' I worked as a sysop for more two years (more or almost, i am not really sure). I believe i did a fair job at it, with the best interest of the wiki at mind in most occasions. Since i am a human being, i did my mistakes doing my job, some which i strongly feel ashsamed of now, but i often tried to grow with them, rather than blame others. But in the end, i think i did a good job before, and can do an even better job now --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 18:18, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*::Thanks for answering my questions. Opinion/vote changed as a result. --<span style="font-size:90%">[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]]</span> <sup style="font-size:70%">[[Mod_Conspiracy|QT]]</sup> [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|18px]] 18:26, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*:::Final word: it's always good to have these two weeks to think about a candidate. To the 'crats making the final decision, then, this would appear to be a wave of popular support spinning out from the Grim demotion. Something akin to ''the wicked witch is dead'', so let's put the scarecrow in charge of the Emerald City police force. The key complaints of many contributors here is that hagnat is readily willing to give up his position on a whim (see his self-imposed exile, and also his re-evaluation stunt), always ready to forgo what he sees as red tape but what other sysops have no apparent problem with. Now, in support of this bid (I assume) he's rushed forward three policy proposals: all of which are ill-thought out and will probably not succeed (if the discussion pages are anything to go by). We should note that he is no longer participating in those discussions. Do we need him as a sysop? Why is he so interested in regaining the position? Is it to push through the changes outlined in those policies? To unban all vandals? To allow sysops the ability to delete pages without reporting to the community? I hope that he does not succeed in gaining sysop on this attempt. He needs to learn some humility. --<span style="font-size:90%">[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]]</span> <sup style="font-size:70%">[[Mod_Conspiracy|QT]]</sup> [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|18px]] 16:24, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' - Thesis finishing: sabotaged! --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 18:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Against''' - Sexy and Midianian nailed it. You need to rank a little bit more time as a regular user first, then you may have my vote.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 19:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' - Good luck with your thesis. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk]] </span> </sup> 21:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' - Anyone who says hagnat needs to be a regular member longer eats penis. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 21:28, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' - Now that Grim can't force him out (as he did others), there is nothing keeping him from doing the job. Hagnat for Crat! --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:22, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' - "''i did my mistakes doing my job, some which i strongly feel ashsamed of now,''" I don't think I need to say more on this.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:44, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*<s>'''Vouch''' - with mild reservations, but owning up to past mistakes counts for a lot. Just don't turn into a dick. -- {{User:Atticus Rex/Sig}} 05:22, 16 October 2008 (BST)</s><br />
**'''Against''' - nah, after thinking it over and viewing the arguments put forth by others below, I can't give my vouch anymore. I don't think hag needs "more time as a regular user" first, that's a pretty silly thing to demand of a former sysop. I have simply come to doubt that his heart is in the right place. -- {{User:Atticus Rex/Sig}} 20:49, 20 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' - I don't trust anyone more than Hagnat, he's fantastic. And I don't care about what people say about past actions. They don't apply in my mind. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 09:53, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
**You're going to be right at the top of my upcoming revamped Classification List. I've got the ''perfect'' label for you. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 10:01, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
***... that can't be good...--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 00:04, 22 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' Recognizes past mistakes, will hopefully avoid the same mistakes, worth letting him have another go. - [[User:Whitehouse]] 13:56, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' ''Since i am a human being, i did my mistakes doing my job, some which i strongly feel ashsamed of now, but i often tried to grow with them, rather than blame others.'' I'll hold you to that. --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 15:45, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Against''' - as other against voters, pretty much. hagnat left under sketchy circumstances -- flaking out and repeatedly stretching policy, etc. well, shit happens and we're only human. so i might support his application next time, but first i want to see hagnat in action for a few months before i feel comfortable making a decision. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:03, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Also... look at hagnat's recent policy suggestions. While well intentioned, they're unfortunately somewhat sloppy. Honestly, I have nothing against hagnat... but there still seems to be a real lack of rigour in approach to policy... and that concerns me, because it's exactly what got him into trouble in the first place. He needs more time, and needs to reapply after a few more months. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:28, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' But lets see you use those Admin pages Y'hear? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:41, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Against''' - I think you would do alright, but I'd really rather see you around on the admin pages for a little while longer. --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 03:08, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Against''' - I was really unsure which way to go with this one, hagnat had his moments as sysop but his abrupt departure (and just as abrupt return) leaves me slightly unsure as to exactly why he's so ready to become sysop again despite just a few short weeks under his belt on the wiki in the last few months (stupid history wipe...). The nail in hagnat's proverbial coffin for me was his poorly thrown together policies. It seemed clear these were designed to butter everyone up and answer the whole "what have you done since you returned" question, as Funt said, none of these will pass and your motivation for making them (excluding the MOAR power for sysops one) is far from clear. Wait another few months or so and try again. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:15, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Against''' - As SLR.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 05:44, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*Hagnat has been a great contributor to this wiki, and in everything he does, his intention is to make this a better place. However I'm not at all sure he should become a sysop again, now, as his main focus seems to be to ''not'' do the job as set out in current policy <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:01 20 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
*'''Against''' - I think it's time for some change. He may have his head on straight this time, and the mean ol Grimch isn't around to run him off again. But there are enough regular contributors who don't have nearly as much drama and baggage hanging off of them who can do the job. Being a sysop should not be an exclusive club. Edited to add: I had posted this before reading all the policy changes proposed by Hagnat. Now that I have read them I'd like to change my no vote to a '''HELL NO'''. If he cannot fashion together a cogent argument for any of these three kneejerk/useless policy changes, why should I believe that he'd be a worthy sysop? --[[User:Stephen Colbert DFA|Stephen Colbert DFA]] 16:53, 20 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Vouch''' --[[User:Zod Rhombus|Zod Rhombus]] 00:13, 21 October 2008 (BST)<br />
*'''Against''' - He's been inactive for almost a week, do we really need another Sysop who stays in the shadows contributing nothing to the community (outside of Sysop activities)? - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:33/22/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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==Archived Promotions==<br />
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*[[:Category:Promotions Candidacies|Complete list of Promotion Requests]]<br />
*[[:Category:Successful Promotions Candidacies|Successful Promotions Candidacies]]<br />
*[[:Category:Unsuccessful Promotions Candidacies|Unsuccessful Promotions Candidacies]]<br />
*[[:Category:Unaccepted Nominations|Unaccepted Nominations]]<br />
*[[:Category:Withdrawn Promotions Candidacies|Withdrawn Promotions Candidacies]]</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/SysOps_ARE_Moderators&diff=1296644UDWiki talk:Administration/Policy Discussion/SysOps ARE Moderators2008-10-17T00:55:58Z<p>Jedaz: /* Sysops are not Moderators */</p>
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<div>The whole "less red tape" section is a simple tack on to an unrelated policy. GTFO and put those that arn't already covered (sysops are free to move pages and warn users in the way you describe already) up for voting, individually, on scheduled deletions/protections <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 16:03 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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One key problem with this (although I agree that sysops should be polite) is that the current crop of sysops have not been voted in by the community. They were voted in by the community of 2-3 years ago. Who voted in The General, for example? It wasn't me. Who voted in Nubis? Not me. Who voted in Conn? Not me. For that reason, the foundation language of this policy is untrue. They are not any kind of paragons of the wiki. They are, generally, old-hands from a bygone era who should all be re-evaluated by the current community. Maybe then, this policy would make sense in context. --<span style="font-size:90%">[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]]</span> <sup style="font-size:70%">[[Mod_Conspiracy|QT]]</sup> [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|18px]] 18:07, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just because you didn't particularly vote in a sysop doesn't mean that everyone that did vote them in is gone. It also doesn't mean that their only contributions were prior to being voted in. You can't evaluate them by the current community (with a popularity vote) but rather by their current contributions.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 06:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
Ok, I'm going to brace for some sort of comment to come along and shut me down, but here goes anyway... Is this policy even necessary? I think sysops don't have to be polite, it's all up to them. Some do a better job by being an ass and others maybe are just simply mean. As long as they are not flaming people constantly, or attacking someone personally for no reason, or breaking the rules I say let them act how they wish. <br />
As for the Less Red Tape part, I've never actually seen an instance where filling out the report to do those actions was such a stress. We don't have quite as much red tape as people seem to think and if we enabled those powers they could be a huge issue with causing accidental deletions/protections and general confusion between users and the sysops. <br />
Just my opinion on stuff.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 19:29, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Completely unnecessary. Now with Grim gone for 1.5 years at least, I can't find "Be Polite" to be necessary, no current sysops behave overly rude, impolite or are a bully. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:41, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just because we are done with one problem doesnt mean we cant be ready to handle possible future ones. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 01:13, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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"A moderator with a loose tongue could be brought to misconduct by other sysops, ''but only if he keeps up this behavior for long periods of time.''" Good to see that last bit in there. --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 12:59, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== On one condition... ==<br />
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A community vote to demote sysops they don't like/agree with/whatever MUST exist. Making sysops rolemodels for the community is a great idea which i fully support. But since sysops are trusted (and this trust is being extended) people have to be able to vote and demote a sysop. It shouldn't be seen as a OH NOEZ I"M GONNA HAVE A COUP AND LEAVE THE WIKI THING, sysops should come and go with a degree of regularity. Obviously policy has to exist for this but yeah, needs to be incorporated.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:So you want to trust them but are paranoid? You can't have trustless trust J3D. For that reason this policy is asking for too much too soon.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:34, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I think this is good not because i trust/don't trust sysops but because it reduces needless bureaucracy. I also think popular vote (maybe uber popular, 70% or something) should get rid of sysops. The facts that demotion is near impossible is stupid and it severely restricts anything from happening.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:48, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Yes, but that's not a problem that opening it up for voting solves, that just makes sysops have to take the popular side in every conflict, that being to avoid ruling on most anything. The problem is one of the views of the sysops themselves in regards to misconduct, the only way to fix it is to change what they see to be the nature of misconduct. Also, we do need less red tape, it would really help though if proposals to remove red tape were just that, not also proposals to force us to walk on egg shells so there is a small chance the wiki can be made to work more efficiently.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:52, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Yes to less red tape, no to excessive power. It's hard to give one and not the other without opening them up to democratic process...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:18, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::The "less red tape" section is completely unnecessary and irrelevant here. If you think a different class of deletions or protections should be done on sight by a sysop without needing to report it, there is already a mechanism for it, [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Scheduling|deletions scheduling]] and [[UDWiki:Administration/Protections#Protections_Scheduling_Queue|protection scheduling]]. A simple vote for each different type. Putting them all up together, and forcing them into a policy like this that has absolutely nothing to do with "red tape" is an abuse of the democratic process. People will vote for this as a whole, even if they have disagreements with some of the individual scheduled deletions listed <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:59 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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==Sysops are not Moderators==<br />
{{Quote|Xoid|The whole 'mod' thing was a misnomer. We've never had the power to moderate. The fact that arb. is a requirement to deal with people name-calling each is proof of this.}}<br />
If we are going to call Sysops moderators then we should give them the power to moderate users behaviours, otherwise they still aren't moderators. Don't get me wrong, the policy is good and is headed in the right direction, but the name "Moderator" is misleading to the role that sysops would fill after this policy. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">06:26/16/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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False advertising much? This policy says absolutely nothing about making sysops into moderators, and everything about them being moderated (while no one else is). It should be be titled "Sysops ARE TO BE Moderated... oh and less red tape, FTW" <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:14 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:"SysOps are to be regarded as moderators, as they should always have been." - The policy makes it quite clear that the community should refer to Sysops as moderators even though it is not explicitly stated that the term Sysop should be changed to moderator. I'ld like this policy more if it removed such implications. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">01:55/17/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
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==No.==<br />
This is reactionary bullshit at its finest. With Grim (who was always a ''very'' extreme case) to serve as an example sysops are going to be treading lightly for some time to come without idiocy like this. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 12:25, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Also, Cunt is a tool and I don't think J3D even knows what he wants. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 12:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Warning Users without going through VB page==<br />
Requiring cases to go through the VB page puts them up for public scrutiny and filters out some of the dodgy cases. I suspect if deciding to give warnings was left to individual instead of collective sysop judgment, the system would be less fair. --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 13:10, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Reading it and typing at the same time. ==<br />
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"If a disagreement between the moderation staff exists, it should be dealt with on the talk pages of these users, not on administration pages."<br />
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Now. In the above sentence are you referring to ''personal'' disputes only? Because not everyone's going to agree on a misconduct ruling, and surely some debate should happen?<br />
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"warning users (reporting this action is still obligatory)"<br />
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When warning users are we talking. "The following action is considered vandalism, continuing to do this will result in official action. stop it." '''OR''' "Please don't vandalise the wiki this is your second warning the next is a 24 ban" (recorded on A/VB)? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:54, 16 October 2008 (BST)</div>Jedazhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/SysOps_ARE_Moderators&diff=1296022UDWiki talk:Administration/Policy Discussion/SysOps ARE Moderators2008-10-16T05:26:22Z<p>Jedaz: </p>
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<div>The whole "less red tape" section is a simple tack on to an unrelated policy. GTFO and put those that arn't already covered (sysops are free to move pages and warn users in the way you describe already) up for voting, individually, on scheduled deletions/protections <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 16:03 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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One key problem with this (although I agree that sysops should be polite) is that the current crop of sysops have not been voted in by the community. They were voted in by the community of 2-3 years ago. Who voted in The General, for example? It wasn't me. Who voted in Nubis? Not me. Who voted in Conn? Not me. For that reason, the foundation language of this policy is untrue. They are not any kind of paragons of the wiki. They are, generally, old-hands from a bygone era who should all be re-evaluated by the current community. Maybe then, this policy would make sense in context. --<span style="font-size:90%">[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]]</span> <sup style="font-size:70%">[[Mod_Conspiracy|QT]]</sup> [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|18px]] 18:07, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ok, I'm going to brace for some sort of comment to come along and shut me down, but here goes anyway... Is this policy even necessary? I think sysops don't have to be polite, it's all up to them. Some do a better job by being an ass and others maybe are just simply mean. As long as they are not flaming people constantly, or attacking someone personally for no reason, or breaking the rules I say let them act how they wish. <br />
As for the Less Red Tape part, I've never actually seen an instance where filling out the report to do those actions was such a stress. We don't have quite as much red tape as people seem to think and if we enabled those powers they could be a huge issue with causing accidental deletions/protections and general confusion between users and the sysops. <br />
Just my opinion on stuff.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 19:29, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Completely unnecessary. Now with Grim gone for 1.5 years at least, I can't find "Be Polite" to be necessary, no current sysops behave overly rude, impolite or are a bully. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:41, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just because we are done with one problem doesnt mean we cant be ready to handle possible future ones. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 01:13, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== On one condition... ==<br />
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A community vote to demote sysops they don't like/agree with/whatever MUST exist. Making sysops rolemodels for the community is a great idea which i fully support. But since sysops are trusted (and this trust is being extended) people have to be able to vote and demote a sysop. It shouldn't be seen as a OH NOEZ I"M GONNA HAVE A COUP AND LEAVE THE WIKI THING, sysops should come and go with a degree of regularity. Obviously policy has to exist for this but yeah, needs to be incorporated.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:So you want to trust them but are paranoid? You can't have trustless trust J3D. For that reason this policy is asking for too much too soon.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:34, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I think this is good not because i trust/don't trust sysops but because it reduces needless bureaucracy. I also think popular vote (maybe uber popular, 70% or something) should get rid of sysops. The facts that demotion is near impossible is stupid and it severely restricts anything from happening.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:48, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Yes, but that's not a problem that opening it up for voting solves, that just makes sysops have to take the popular side in every conflict, that being to avoid ruling on most anything. The problem is one of the views of the sysops themselves in regards to misconduct, the only way to fix it is to change what they see to be the nature of misconduct. Also, we do need less red tape, it would really help though if proposals to remove red tape were just that, not also proposals to force us to walk on egg shells so there is a small chance the wiki can be made to work more efficiently.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:52, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Yes to less red tape, no to excessive power. It's hard to give one and not the other without opening them up to democratic process...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:18, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Sysops are not Moderators==<br />
{{Quote|Xoid|The whole 'mod' thing was a misnomer. We've never had the power to moderate. The fact that arb. is a requirement to deal with people name-calling each is proof of this.}}<br />
If we are going to call Sysops moderators then we should give them the power to moderate users behaviours, otherwise they still aren't moderators. Don't get me wrong, the policy is good and is headed in the right direction, but the name "Moderator" is misleading to the role that sysops would fill after this policy. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">06:26/16/10/2008</span>]]'''</div>Jedaz