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===Description===<br />
'''Caiger Mall''', also referred to as '''Barhah Mall''' by many zombie groups, is a four-[[block]] [[shopping mall]] located on the boundary of the [[suburbs]] of [[Chudleyton]] and [[Darvall Heights]]; Caiger's western half is located in Chudleyton, and its eastern half is in Darvall Heights. Along with [[Ackland Mall]] and [[Giddings Mall]], Caiger used to be the primary symbol of human resistance against zombie hordes, and the site of many [[Siege|pitched battles]]. It held onto its legacy as the mall that cannot fall until late-2006 when [[Third Siege of Caiger Mall|the third siege occured]] the mall finally fell to zombie hands for the first time ever. After two failed attempts at securing the mall, the survivors abandoned any hope of resurrecting the mall back to its former glory. Through 2008, it was largely kept in zombie hands, but in the recent past, it's begun to be traded between zombie and survivor hands on a regular basis.<br />
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===History===<br />
The mall known today as Caiger almost never was. Conceived during the Mall Boom of the 1970's as the northwest's share of the Mall pie, Caiger was originally intended to be set in the center of Chudleyton (and called Harraway Mall, after a prominent local scholar) on land now occupied by the [[Harraway Building]], [[Club Hodson]], a junkyard, and a small residential street. The original design was to be based off the [[Nichols Mall]] open-air style, but after [[Stanbury Village History#Creation of Nichols Mall|disaster]] befell that mall in mid-1976, the committee was forced to scrap that option and begin working on a redesign. That design took a considerable amount of time to work out, and was about three-fourths done when the Energy Crisis crippled Malton in early 1979, forcing the ultimate scrapping of the first Caiger plans altogether.<br />
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The plans lay in a locker in [[Howard Library]] for four years after that, gathering dust as the city slowly dragged itself out of its slump. Once again, construction and expansion became the order of the day, and in the northeast urban renewal became the next big thing. And thus it was that Caiger got its second chance- while searching the library for blueprints to be used in the renewal projects, Chudleyton councilman Harold Erikson came across the abandoned plans.<br />
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The councilman was impressed, and it didn't take that big of a leap of thought to have a mall reviving the local economy- and Erikson getting the credit and acclaim. But the council disagreed- if Erikson wanted to make a mall his pet project, by all means he could. But the funding Erikson would have needed was required for other projects- Erikson would have to come up with the huge sum of money on his own.<br />
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Thankfully for the area, Erikson knew just the man- a longtime friend of his, in fact. Percival Stothert ran a burgeoning bank company that based much of its personnel and executive functions in neighboring Darvall Heights, though he had been considering relocating elsewhere due to overwhelming complaints by his employees- the area was not safe, not at all good to look at, and considered by many to be dead. So when Erikson announced his plans to the banker, Stothert leapt at the chance. Erikson would have his funding.<br />
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Erikson consulted the council, the council consulted their counterparts in Darvall Heights, and after a slight bit of negotiating (and more alterations to the plans) construction was begun in autumn of 1984, and progressed without a single hitch all the way up to its completion next summer. On September 12th, Stothert (whose main hobby was gardening) dedicated the mall to Dean Caiger, a lesser-known botanist who had spent much of his life working in the area and who had developed a strange cross-breed between a rose and a tulip, depicted today as the mall's symbol.<br />
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Though not particularly standoutish, Caiger Mall is at least pleasing to the eye, with its beautiful white stone exterior and stylized frieze along the roof depicting the history of Malton. The mall from above resembles a flat-topped, angular [[Wikipedia:kite shield|kite shield]], with a narrow point in the south (the main entrance) widening drastically to the main body of the mall towards the north. From the main entrance run three main avenues at 45-degree angles to each other, branching out until they meet the main body of the mall to the north (which on its own is much more similar to the familiar square design of most Malton malls). The mall's somewhat minimalistic design draws the eye away from admiring the exterior and onward inside, where angles and lines rather than curves are the order of the day for interior decor. The mall's soft orange-and-cream paint job was chosen to relax the viewer and slide their eyes off of it, drawing them to the more brightly colored shops and plazas.<br />
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In the post-Outbreak era Caiger's spartan design and evenly spaced shops and pillars have led to it becoming a favorite of Dam Tactics strategists, who find it easier to apply their tactics to the orderly layout of Caiger than to the curving styles of [[Pole Mall]] or [[Tompson Mall]], or the intermittent, random designs of Nichols and Joachim.<br />
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==History of Caiger Mall==<br />
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===The First Siege of Caiger Mall===<br />
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The [[First Siege of Caiger Mall]] started 5 November, 2005 and ended in a survivor victory on 1 December, when the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]] pulled out. Caiger stands as one of the longest sieges of any one building in Urban Dead history, one of the only survivor victories, and the first time the RRF has lost with its combined forces.<br />
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Truly the most spectacular sporting event Malton has ever seen. The Iditarod is a savage, unforgiving circumnavigation of the borders of Malton. The race is 40+ miles, 8 days, carrying full packs of food, ammunition, first aid, and an axe, with nothing but your competitors and the sunken eyes of the enemy to keep you company.<br />
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===The Second Siege of Caiger Mall===<br />
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The Second siege started in the early days of February, 2006, as part of the [[Mall Tour '06]]. After the events that lead a large number of players on both bands to go [[On Strike]] and it's consequences, many zombies organized and started taking mall after mall, all over Malton, along with the help of some of the most important Zombie Groups. Because of the result of the first siege and its status as a human bastion, Caiger Mall was left for last. However, poor zombie strategy and a well-organized resistance led to the defeat of the Tour by the middle of March.<br />
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On the week before Halloween, [[Shacknews]] stepped up its attacks on targets in the immediate Caiger area. Being the largest group in the game and known for its organized attacks Caiger Mall fell into zombie hands for the first time. You can also read the news from this period in the [[Caiger_Mall/News_Archive#November.2C_2006|news archive]].<br />
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===The First Ruin of Caiger Mall===<br />
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On August 17th, 2007, the [[LUE]] zombie horde attacked the NW quadrant of Caiger Mall. Within 40 minutes, the corner was empty of survivors and ruined. Thirteen hours later, all four quadrants were ruined and over 300 zombies inside.<br />
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On the 3rd/4th December, Caiger mall was attacked by [[Red Rum]] and [[Pathetic Bill]], clearing the upper and lower left corners in record speed. The [[Eastonwood Ferals]] then proceeded to ransack the Upper and Lower left corners. The right hand side of the mall also fell shortly after.<br />
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On February 14th, 2008, the [[Militant Order of Barhah]] assaulted the NW quadrant of Caiger Mall and spread to the rest of it in little over 36 hours. They had assistance from several local feral zeds.<br />
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*'''[[Younghusband Square]]''', Chudleyton [13, 27]<br />
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==Nearby NecroTech Buildings==<br />
Caiger Mall is one of the few malls to have a [[NecroTech Building]] in an immediately neighboring block, making it highly defensible against drawn-out sieges. In the case that that building has fallen, ready access to other NecroTech Buildings may become desirable or necessary. The NecroTech Buildings within ten blocks of the mall, listed from nearest to farthest, are:<br />
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*'''[[The Caiger Resistance Front]]''' (historical)<br />
::''the new megahorde, devoted to keeping Barhah Mall in zombie hands!''<br />
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*'''[[Caiger Feral Resistance]]'''<br />
::''the slightly less organised horde!''<br />
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*'''[[Extinction]]'''<br />
::''will support all efforts to hold Barhah Mall and help [[Salt the Land]] around it''<br />
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::''The Mall naturally falls within their protection, since they seek to restore and unite Darvall Heights and North-West.''<br />
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::''The Communal Group that started it all.''<br />
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*'''[[U.N.I.T|United Nations Intelligence Taskforce]]'''<br />
::''Caiger (a.k.a. ''Firebase Charlie'') was our primary headquarters for some time. We're going to take it back!''<br />
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*'''[[Hatboro-Horsham Zombie Response Team]] '''<br />
::''We may be small and relatively new, but we're dedicated.''<br />
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::'' Special-Ops; one Zed, bounty, Rev or Cade at the time. But always calculated. (CMS-Meta might return in 2010)''<br />
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*'''[[The Infinite hope]]'''<br />
::''Mutinous zeds and half-cat humans.''<br />
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*'''[[Brikwarriors]]'''<br />
::''You know, doing stuff and fighting zombies...''<br />
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*'''[[Total Evisceration Squad]]'''<br />
::''We're here to help''<br />
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*'''[[Malton Police Department]]'''<br />
::''Serving Malton by protecting Caiger.''<br />
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*'''[[Malton Fire Department]]'''<br />
::''Got a light?<br />
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*'''[[Malton Marshals]]'''<br />
::''Keeping an eye out for PKers.''<br />
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::''When we're around and not roaring drunk.''<br />
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::''We're here, and ready to help.''<br />
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*'''[[Independent Nation of Owsleybank]]'''<br />
::''We've heeded the call to arms.''<br />
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*'''[[Malton Rangers]]'''<br />
::''I think they are planning a drunken new years party here... not a bad idea though...''<br />
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*'''[[Malton Girl Scouts]]'''<br />
::''Right now there's a lack of cookies in Caiger. We intend to remedy that.''<br />
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*'''[[Chi Vai Hunters]]''' (inactive)<br />
::''Maybe [[Chi Vai|it's]] hidden behind that shrub.''<br />
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*'''[[Cannonball Crew]]'''<br />
::''Providing assistance to those in need.''<br />
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*'''[[Ghetto Cow]]''' (historical)<br />
::''We've shown up for the big siege. It's been fun.''<br />
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*'''[[The Watchmen]]'''<br />
::''Collecting Pker bounties inside the Mall''<br />
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*'''The [[Ross Report]]'''<br />
::''Keeping you informed on all the Caiger Happenings''<br />
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*'''[[Liberation of Crossman Department]]''' (historical)<br />
::''Fought many times to protect the Mall, before they disbanded.''<br />
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*'''[[The Big Prick]]'''<br />
::''We often stop here for some action on our way to other destinations.'''<br />
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*'''[[Bloody Green Boyz]]'''<br />
::''Our vagrant associates often use the mall to restock supplies, the mall is high priority and we will defend it fervently.'''<br />
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Historically, all N-NPOV posts were sent to the discussion page for future review. Here it goes. You can debate on the subject here. If you wish to review how it was done in the past you can check the archive above to see the (numerous) past instances. --{{User:Eagle of fire/signature}} 16:57, 15 October 2012 (BST)<br />
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10-7-12 to Current (10-14-12) The RRF has been lured to Yagoton. Having had their efforts at Stickling Mall, and the surrounding Shearbank burb, rebuffed with prejudice the RRF have come to Yagoton in force. However, they have been rebuffed at every turn by the regular groups of Yagoton, and have had no success establishing any permanent foothold despite multiple surge efforts all week. After taking (and losing) Hicks PD, Moorhouse PD, Newbould PD, Sewell NT, and Whatmore NT, they have tried to settle in at Holsgrove Row PD and Catherine General Hospital. Which is what the survivors had expected (according to a broadcast last night) and planned for the RRF to do. It would seem that the allied survivor groups are steering the RRF wherever they want (again according to live broadcasts). Plenty of human spies and PKers have "magically" appeared as well. The RRF, and respective spy/PK allies have desperately tried to broadcast misinformation about Yagoton's defending groups, and have gone so far as to attempt to impersonate said groups in other burbs in hopes of causing further disinformation. All efforts have proven fruitless so far. Survivors all the way from Yagoton to Raines Hills have questioned* (over live broadcasts) whether the RRF are using zerg alts to accomplsih these means. *This is an assumption/suspicion at this point.<br />
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All survivors are encouraged to join forces with Yagoton's survivors groups (The Abandoned, The Smiths, and the Yagoton Revivification Clinic), so that the RRF will not be able to concentrate efforts elsewhere until further notice. ---Malton City Gazette<br />
:Yep, looks blatantly POV to me. Looks like total bullocks to boot. Is this what all of the identity theft mumbo jumbo was all about? ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>01:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)</sub><br />
::Yep, from The Smiths more specifically, who want nothing but to avoid the wiki because all the sysops are Zed ZERG spies . --[[User:Mikalos209|<span style="color:#990000">Mika</span>]][[User_Talk:Mikalos209|<span style="color:#000099">los</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Mikalos209|<span style="color:#009900">209</span>]] 03:39, 16 October 2012 (BST)<br />
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==Be nice==<br />
Don't be mean to the new guy, he's just trying to help. He probably should've posted on the arbies talk page first, though. --{{:User:Thanatologist/Sig}} 14:28, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:fine. but only cause you asked nicely.. can you tell i woke up hungover? what is it always with the new guys that have to comment on every page they look at? i think he should work on his sig and read a bit more before commenting or voting on '''anything'''. i know i should be more inclusive. but that would be role-playing and i hate that shit. :P --{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>15:39, 18 January 2012 (bst)</small> <br />
::TBH I also thought he was being a bit nosy, given that he had only been here a couple months. He reminds me a bit of me when I started (reporting bots, pages up for deletion/moving). But, I did wait until I felt it wouldn't be awkward to post on admin pages. I shall now resolve to be more tolerable of you swearing at them n00bz. XD --{{:User:Thanatologist/Sig}} 16:02, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::P.S. I just saw his latest bot report. (The one that says 'DEAL WITH IT.') Made me lol. and see your side of things even better. Ah, he even posted on ''aichon's'' talk page in a topic that didn't concern him... I'm siding with him less and less as the more I see of his contribs... --{{:User:Thanatologist/Sig}} 16:09, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::hey with grim, woot and zombie lord gone someone has to do its.--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>16:43, 18 January 2012 (bst)</small><br />
Sorry about the edits which I've made which have annoyed you. I didn't mean to. I'm new to this wiki, but I've edited others in the past so I've been trying to help out in areas where things haven't been running as efficiently as they could be. Didn't mean to cause any offence. :) --[[User:Shortround|Shortround]] 16:22, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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First of all congrats on reaching tribune membership. Mortificant no longer maintains the 10K club page so I don't think you'll get any protest from him about your edit. A few things I saw myself though. You updated the text of your entry to tribune member but you did not update the associated badge (still reads centurion rank). Also the Society Overview at the top (but I suspect that is even more out of date). Everything else looks fine though. {{User:CrunchyCake/Sig}} 08:17, 7 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
:well feel free to fix or change anything. i knew there was a few things i missed. thanks a lot.--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>11:55, 7 February 2012 (bst)</small><br />
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[[Image:Stop_hand.png|left|35px]]Please do not change other people's comments on this wiki. If you continue this behaviour, your editing privileges ''will'' be revoked. This is your last warning. <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 07:45, 15 February 2012 (BST)</small><br />
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i hear thar be missing things here. Please leave a message after the beep. Or dont. I wont read it anyway. --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 21:35, 29 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
: in order to prevent things being missed and being notified, i have disabled the mail user option. Thank your for your time --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 21:36, 29 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
::aw hagz. how could u? i will track your ass down next time i'm in SA. which will be soonish. prob in july for snowboarding. <sadface>--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>21:38, 29 February 2012 (bst)</small><br />
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Smart asses exist and I have to deal with them.--[[user:Isaac Tiberius|Jerrack]] [[File:MSZSButton.png|90px|link=Malton_Safe_Zone_Security|Malton Safe Zone Security]] 16:50, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:what are you on about now? --{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>18:35, 1 March 2012 (bst)</small><br />
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Because if you've forgotten me i'll be sad--[[User:Mikalos209|<span style="color:#990000">Mika</span>]][[User_Talk:Mikalos209|<span style="color:#000099">los</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Mikalos209|<span style="color:#009900">209</span>]] 02:59, 7 March 2012 (UTC)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Boxy&diff=1985762User talk:Boxy2012-03-07T02:54:22Z<p>Mikalos209: /* New Stuff */</p>
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===Remember me?===<br />
Because I remember you and will be very sad if you've forgotten me. --[[User:Mikalos209|<span style="color:#990000">Mika</span>]][[User_Talk:Mikalos209|<span style="color:#000099">los</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Mikalos209|<span style="color:#009900">209</span>]] 02:54, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
==February 2012==<br />
===yer sliping===<br />
(diff | hist) . . UDWiki:Administration/Vandal Banning/Bots; 03:54 . . (+93) . . Boxy (Talk | contribs) (→Slambuts: ) YOINK!--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>12:08, 28 February 2012 (bst)</small><br />
:Just because I didn't change the edit summary, doesn't mean I didn't [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Bots&diff=prev&oldid=1984506 yoink] it, but good, regardless {{tongue}}. Getting bored yet, tilting at windmills? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 12:19, 28 February 2012 (BST)</small> {{like|156}}<br />
::i've been playing this game for over 5 years. you tell me. also Don Quixote can kiss my arse!--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>12:48, 28 February 2012 (bst)</small><br />
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:[[File:Nou.jpg|240px]]--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>19:45, 28 February 2012 (bst)</small><br />
::(diff | hist) . . UDWiki:Administration/Vandal Banning/Bots; 04:40 . . (+91) . . Boxy (Talk | contribs) (→Scamboxs: ) --{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>12:19, 29 February 2012 (bst)</small><br />
:::Congrats, after [[#November_2011|3 months]] of trying, you finally got one through! Time to stop, and be bask in the greatness of your glorious victory? {{tongue}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 00:30, 1 March 2012 (BST)</small><br />
::::i will only accept unconditional surrender--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>04:02, 1 March 2012 (bst)</small><br />
and the torch is [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FVandal_Banning%2FBots&action=historysubmit&diff=1985689&oldid=1985684 Passed]--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>13:02, 6 March 2012 </small><br />
:Get shorty! {{Grr}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 01:56, 7 March 2012 (BST)</small><br />
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===Spiderzed===<br />
Re-ev. Yes? --[[User:Rosslessness|Ross<sup>less</sup>ness]] 09:49, 26 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Sure, why not <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 10:39, 26 February 2012 (BST)</small><br />
::Don't do it, Boxy. It's a conspiracy to replace you for Spiderzed in the next 'Crat elections. ;) --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 10:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Oh no the crats will end up doing stuff on time! ;) {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:07, 26 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Im sure thad will find some way to complain. --[[User:Rosslessness|Ross<sup>less</sup>ness]] 13:49, 26 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'll misconduct you for not reflecting properly on Bad Attitude Kirsty's valid counter-points. All four of you. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 21:04, 27 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==January 2012==<br />
===Deletions===<br />
So are you going to delete that stuff from Harrison's page? --[[User:Dhavid Grohl|Dhavid Grohl]] 03:03, 22 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Dude, if Boxy hasn't deleted it by now, perhaps you need to look up the definition of "sarcasm". --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:15, 22 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah, cause you really needed to wait for him ''not'' to do it to realise it was sarcasm. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 05:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Grohl, I already said on the A/VB page. No one is going to do it, you might as well just do it yourself. Seriously. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 05:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
:No. That was just my way of telling harrison to STFU. I'll change back anything that needs doing, if you can tell me which bits he messed with <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 07:09, 22 February 2012 (BST)</small> {{dislike|1337}}<br />
::didn't work--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>18:38, 22 February 2012 (bst)</small><br />
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===Rev===<br />
Re-ev thoughts? --[[User:Rosslessness|Ross<sup>less</sup>ness]] 11:53, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I could go either way. The long periods of inactivity are a worry. Perhaps he needs some wiki-drama to inspire some contributions? {{tongue}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 02:01, 24 January 2012 (BST)</small><br />
:: Well I say yes, with a word of caution that he needs to be active occasionally. --[[User:Rosslessness|Ross<sup>less</sup>ness]] 17:25, 24 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Two weeks instead of one, because he showed up at the last minute? Or just plain incompetence on your parts? Christ, do tell me if I need to put up my policy for extending RE's again. -- [[Image:Cat Pic.png|14px]] [[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''Thadeous Oakley''']]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span> 23:04, 28 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::If something as small as a week(or a few extra days even) has had an impact on the communities input simply because Revenant has shown intent to stay then they're probably right for waiting. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::Forgive me for expressing a position and asking for confirmation from my fellow crat. I could just push them both through now as passed and maybe thad could come up with a policy about that instead. --[[User:Rosslessness|Ross<sup>less</sup>ness]] 21:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::Oh, and box, general appears to be a yes as well. Care to confirm? --[[User:Rosslessness|Ross<sup>less</sup>ness]] 21:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::HEY HE GOT FRENZ TO COME AT THE LAST MINUTE HE MUST BE WORTH KEEPING {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 03:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I enjoyed the above comment. Although I'd of spelt it Minit. --[[User:Rosslessness|Ross<sup>less</sup>ness]] 12:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Thats a week without objection, I'll go do it. --[[User:Rosslessness|Ross<sup>less</sup>ness]] 17:14, 31 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Thanks, Ross. Sorry about that <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 11:10, 5 February 2012 (BST)</small><br />
::::Some of us ''do'' have other concerns, you know. No need to get your panties in a bunch — although I'm always happy to help. {{smile}} {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:22, 9 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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===Karek===<br />
Obvious decision, is obvious. Unless you object for pointless reasons I'll cycle it in the morning as successful. --[[User:Rosslessness|Ross<sup>less</sup>ness]] 18:53, 17 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:He is obviously too much of a threat to our positions of supreme power. Demote him at will... with extreme prejudice! <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 13:02, 18 January 2012 (BST)</small><br />
::What's this? I'M TELLING EVERYONE. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:51, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==December 2011==<br />
===pinata===<br />
My changes on the Pinata are not self-promotion. They are fact, just like the Red Rum statistic is fact. If it is not true, that is one thing, find someone with more recorded and I'll agree with you. But if it is true, then you should leave it. --[[User:Krazyxman|Krazyxman]] 01:26, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:If you want to make a claim like that and have it stick, you'll need to provide evidence/proof to be displayed next to the claim. If you cannot provide such proof, it is highly unlikely it will remain on the page. Also, don't make the page [[Krazyxman]], it will be deleted, all your info has to go on your [[User:Krazyxman|user page]]. sorry. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 01:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I have the proof already on my user page which I now linked to instead of the other link. I was unaware of that possibility but now it is fixed. --[[User:Krazyxman|Krazyxman]] 02:00, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:It's not a very interesting fact, and not really noteworthy enough to be on the main page. One guy, who's created 14 [[pinata]]s? And it's not proof that you are the "pinata master", it's just evidence that you're the only one who's bothered to collect the screenshots. Red rum were the first group to do it in any coordinated manner, which makes much more of an impact than one guy, and his reviver <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 05:48, 12 December 2011 (BST)</small><br />
::The fact that I have done over 50 is a noteworthy statistic, but I have only started keeping track of them recently as I have said many times before. I have no reason to lie, have been playing the game a while now and have many people, both survivor and zed alike who can testify to my presence and actions in the game. Also, I have no reviver, and while the original intent behind Los Diablos was to utilizing the Pinata as a team strategy, I do not have any active players with which to utilize this opportunity with, and have been operating solo for quite a long time now and I don't even play any alts. --[[User:KRaZyXmAn|KRaZyXmAn]] 17:49, 22 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==November 2011==<br />
===Really?===<br />
I leave this place for what feels like eons and you're STILL HERE. I am beginning to think that you are in fact, sir, a robot pretending to be a person/zombie/wiki admin. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 08:58, 15 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Banbot {{wink}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 05:10, 1 December 2011 (BST)</small><br />
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===Splambits===<br />
NEVER!--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>15:17, 8 November 2011 (bst)</small> {{like|50,206}}<br />
:It's only funny when you can sneak it in without anyone noticing {{grr}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 06:10, 10 November 2011 (BST)</small><br />
::I am soooo thumbs-upping Harrison's comment. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 06:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::{{smile}}--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>02:03, 1 December 2011 (bst)</small><br />
:{{dislike|1337}}<br />
:<small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 05:10, 1 December 2011 (BST)</small><br />
:dunna care boychick --{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>05:16, 1 December 2011 (bst)</small><br />
::Come back when you manage to slip one by me {{tongue}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 09:52, 1 December 2011 (BST)</small><br />
::: i did, and past the general. suck it!--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>06:17, 9 December 2011 (bst)</small><br />
::::Oooooh outdoing the general that's tough to do! {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:39, 10 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::ZOWNK! (diff | hist) . . UDWiki:Administration/Vandal Banning/Bots; 13:57 . . (+1,382) . . The General (Talk | contribs) (→Spamcox: ) --{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>18:15, 14 December 2011 (bst)</small><br />
::::::TO THE DEATH! (diff | hist) . . UDWiki:Administration/Vandal Banning/Bots; 13:20 . . (+457) . . The General (Talk | contribs) (→Spambµtz: ) --{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>18:19, 15 December 2011 (bst)</small><br />
:::::::Don't make me come over there <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 00:02, 16 December 2011 (BST)</small><br />
::::::at least i'm consistent--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>03:20, 24 December 2011 (bst)</small><br />
:::::::I think predictable is the word you're looking for {{tongue}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 13:50, 24 December 2011 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::: no if everyone just put "spambots" in the summary you wouldn't notice it right away. fooking cunt!--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>15:29, 24 December 2011 (bst)</small><br />
:::::::::Are you kidding? I only have to see your name in the edit history, and I know it'll have been changed. Why, why do you do it, Mr Anderson? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 11:51, 25 December 2011 (BST)</small><br />
::::::::::caz i haz 2.--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>13:42, 25 December 2011 (bst)</small><br />
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==September 2011==<br />
===Arbies===<br />
The time has come for you to [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Poodle of doom vs DanceDanceRevolution (2)|answer questions]]. Please proceed to arbitration and answer the questions under your header. Your silence may be rewarded with sweet and bitter cakes. Proceed now before the inquisition.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 12:51, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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===RHO===<br />
Just a heads-up that from Saturday on, he is due for [[UDWiki:Administration/Demotions#Inactivity|an activity warning by a crat]]. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 21:44, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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===A/RE===<br />
[[A/RE#Vapor|Vapor]] looks like a '''Keep'''. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 21:30, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
:We'll take a chance, eh {{wink}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 21:47, 8 September 2011 (BST)</small><br />
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===Demotion===<br />
Whenever you can please. :) --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 10:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
:FFS Revenant hasn't edited in over a week, just do it already.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 10:49, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
::Oh, we're in a hurry now, are we, after a two weeks lead up? A day or two shouldn't matter after all that <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 11:19, 2 September 2011 (BST)</small><br />
:I was totally going to snipe this but RL has been crazy. At least I got to do Thad! {{wink}} {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 01:33, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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=Stuff I really should archive=<br />
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==August 2011==<br />
===Crat===<br />
Its all yours again. Help yourself to whatever is in the fridge. --[[User:Rosslessness|'''"Workshed"''']] 21:34, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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===Curious===<br />
When did everyone here get so touchy that they couldn't separate a point from the person making it? Even at the worst of back in the day it wasn't that bad. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 11:05, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Oh, I dunno. There's just less trolling/humour used lately, and the community is smaller, is all {{tongue}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 12:05, 29 August 2011 (BST)</small><br />
::You know it's a real shame we're losing that one there. I certainly will miss his witty repertoire, the way he systematically decimates a point with his seamless logic, the unarguable confidence in the purity of his conviction. Oh what a loss of the weighty input he brought to the wiki on a daily basis, however will we cope in the absence of his discerning glare? Where ever will we find someone so willing to jump into the fray, the endless confusion, and help bring something better from the refuse heap as he? --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 15:32, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:people dont agree with me must be cause they are biased ablobloo -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 04:25, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki%3AAdministration%2FBureaucrat_Promotions&action=historysubmit&diff=1932706&oldid=1932698 This] should go back on the page. I don't think it is confusing at all (obviously, because I think I'm originally the one who started putting the current time on elections), if you do, perhaps you should find some way to make it clearer, rather than removing it all together. It is a useful piece of information that saves people from having to find out the server time some other way, to tell when a vote is over <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 21:30, 29 August 2011 (BST)</small><br />
:I don't know that I can agree with that assessment looking at the results since it's been implemented. It's the only significant thing that changed to cause people to mistakenly vote up to a week past the "deadline"(which before it used to just be the day not x absurd hour). As a user who made that mistake himself unintentionally I can at least verify it is extremely easy to do. Also we really shouldn't be setting essentially random server times for vote ends anyway so the whole thing really probably shouldn't exist, it doesn't bring anything positive to the system other than a date of completion. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 21:57, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
::Actually, the people voting after the deadline happened because people started linking promo bids on various forums, and people turned up ages later trying to vote.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 22:43, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:::I failed at voting abloobloo -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 04:25, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Someone forgot how I work when it comes to undiscussable status quo. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:24, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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===YO===<br />
scott-directed Blade Runner sequel. Thoughts? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 05:56, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Please, oh please, don't let him make it into an Aliens vs. Predator vs. Replicants! [[File:Nono.gif]]<br />Personally, I don't see that anything needs adding to the original (well, not the original... but the cut where he went back and rejiggered it, esp. the end), and I'm not sure that such film noir would sell any better these days, than the original did. Seems like cashing in on a classic name, yet again. I hope it's done properly, for the sake of name, but wont be expecting much.<br />Cynical, eh ;) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 06:55, 21 August 2011 (BST)</small><br />
::I agree. I think it has more potential than other unnecessary remakes but yeah... -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 10:56, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Remake or sequel? 'Cause I'm pretty sure it was a book first. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 12:29, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Crap, don't know why I said remake. It's a sequel, but is set in the same universe with no real ties to the first one (no harrison ford, etc). So I dunno hey. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 13:50, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::I'd be expecting a prequel, probably amongst the c-beams, near the tannhauser gate. A sequel about the coming replicant revolution/human rights movement wouldn't fit with the theme of the blade runner being pseudo-anti-hero character, pushing the profession to the clearly evil, IMO. Any other sequel would be just more of the same, with little to no hope of living up to the standard of the original for existing fans.<br />I don't like sequels and prequels much. Good ones are rare... and if a good one is made, it just encourages the dollars to be kept pumping in until they start making shockers. Case in point, Alien --> Aliens = great... then it starts going off the track until they end up with that bastardised AvP bullshite. Artists should know when their work is complete, and not be tempted by the bankers and accountants to make a quick buck by cheapening their masterpieces with knock offs {{grr}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 15:16, 21 August 2011 (BST)</small><br />
::::::^Send this man to Hollywood! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 00:51, 22 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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===Humourous suggestions change===<br />
I cycled your Suggestions Policy Change as successful but I wasn't 100% certain of the changes needed to [[Suggestions:Cycling_Instructions#Humorous|these cycling instructions]]. It's just a matter of removing one category and adding another, right? When voting closes, which template is added? {{tl|rejected}}? ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>08:43, 14 August 2011 (UTC)</sub><br />
:There is no need to close voting once a suggestion has been moved to the humourous section. Other than the ones deemed to be vandalism, they've always been left open indefinitely. Actually, we could probably look at re-opening those suggestions too, and removing the {{tl|notfunny}} template <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 09:49, 14 August 2011 (BST)</small><br />
::Ugh there's like 30 of them. Also it was discussed during voting that this policy change wouldn't retroactively negate past escalations. Reopening them now would open a can of worms in that regard I think. <br />
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::So other than the change you made, is there anything else to update on Cycling Instructions? ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>17:53, 14 August 2011 (UTC)</sub><br />
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==July 2011==<br />
===Protections===<br />
Question, Ive just implemented a semi protection for an hour on spiderzeds talk page. Im assuming I record this fact on A/P A/VB and the page in question? --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 23:10, 19 July 2011 (BST)<br />
:Yep, best to do so <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 23:27, 19 July 2011 (BST)</small><br />
::Cheers, I dont think I've looked at the semi protection policy since the wiki upgrade was implemented. I'll look at possible uses this week. --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 23:29, 19 July 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Looks like you're going to have someone to test it out on ;) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 23:37, 19 July 2011 (BST)</small><br />
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==June 2011==<br />
===Congratulations!===<br />
[[Malton Deaths Leaderboard|You're]] apparently quite good at dying. ;P --[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="plainlinks">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 20:08, 30 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:It is what the undead do... walk headlong into shotgun fire {{tongue}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 13:51, 1 July 2011 (BST)</small><br />
:BTW, I see secret paite, who is above me on the list (dognammit!), dragged you, kicking and screaming, out of the mall today :D <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 13:53, 1 July 2011 (BST)</small><br />
::Most likely. I've been getting killed a fair bit since the suburb was reclaimed, since alot of the old PKers are back. Good to see that you guys are back in force as well. It just wouldn't be Treweeke without you.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="plainlinks">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 14:56, 1 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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==May 2011==<br />
===A Challenge===<br />
Hello, Mr. Boxhurr. I, Ryu, the greatest warrior, would like to challenge you to a duel. In fighting games. You have a choice of Super Street Fighter 2 Super Turbo, Street Fighter 3: Third Strike, Street Fighter Alpha 2 or 3 or, if you happen to have a 360, Super Street Fighter 4. If you are interested then I will give you the details on how we will play them.--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Ryu]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 15:25, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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===Boxy! What is best in life?===<br />
To drive others to the edit conflict screen, crush spambots and hear the lamentations of fellow ops! Feel free to claim credit for one of the two new bots, if you care. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 13:40, 12 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:I waz waiting for you to do the reporting {{tongue}}, good work {{wink}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 14:09, 12 May 2011 (BST)</small><br />
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===Orphaned images===<br />
[[:File:Normalzomb.png]] which you uploaded is currently [[Special:Unusedfiles|unused]] and is subject to deletion if it is older than two weeks. If you wish to ensure that it remains on this wiki then you will need to ensure that it is included in at least one page on this wiki..--[[User:Thegeneralbot|Thegeneralbot]] 22:43, 5 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:I saved this one. :D --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:57, 5 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::Excellent, I'd better save the other one in case I want to return my user page <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 23:35, 5 May 2011 (BST)</small><br />
[[:File:My smelly friend.png]] which you uploaded is currently [[Special:Unusedfiles|unused]] and is subject to deletion if it is older than two weeks. If you wish to ensure that it remains on this wiki then you will need to ensure that it is included in at least one page on this wiki..--[[User:Thegeneralbot|Thegeneralbot]] 22:43, 5 May 2011 (BST)<br />
[[File:My smelly friend.png]]<br />
===Nice pic===<br />
For a second there (until I looked at it) I thought it was going to be the Flame Warriors one. {{wink}} {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 01:46, 4 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:[[File:Nanny.jpg|40px]] No one's accused me of being a net nanny, so far {{tongue}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 02:09, 4 May 2011 (BST)</small><br />
::Sorry, didn't even ''see'' the talk page rules, just clicked the [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}&action=edit&section=new +] tab. JSYK, with the update we now have {{CodeInline|'''<nowiki>__NONEWSECTIONLINK__</nowiki>'''}} if you want to use it. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 04:10, 4 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Thanks. It's never really worried me too much, but it may help <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 10:06, 5 May 2011 (BST)</small><br />
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==April 2011==<br />
===Bot Banning===<br />
I think removing the reports would be the easier scenario, but unfortunately, I think we need to, unless a normal user one day gets caught in the net and we need to make sure they aren't improperly banned. Iirc, a bot reported recently hadn't actually vandalised yet, and had only just been created, so if this happens again (except a sysop does it, and it isn't actually a bot) it could be helpful. The way i see it, it's better if we have to put in extra work than if somebody accidentally gets banned. So, I too share your view of a report-free Utopia, but, alas, I don't see it happening... :( --[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 17:46, 25 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:What information does logging the ban on the bots page, for a day or so, add? Most of those bots show no contributions once their pages have been deleted. Regular users have no way of knowing what any of them created.<br />BTW, what is this section ({{codeinline|<nowiki>[[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]]</nowiki>}} of your sig for? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 13:19, 26 April 2011 (BST)</small><br />
::I largely agree. Personally I think the documentation is a tad stupid, but I can see the reasoning behind it. And the link in my sig lets me jump to the talk page of any page my sig is on, which is helpful on admin pages, etc.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 19:35, 30 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::I believe the theory was that people are more likely to see the report if it's on an admin page; you can't put to block log on your watch list, so it's more likely to get missed.--{{User:The General/sig}} 20:30, 30 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::It's getting pretty hard to miss. More often than not, it's at the top of recent changes <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 03:43, 1 May 2011 (BST)</small><br />
:::::Yes, but that's only if you log on shortly after the bot was banned.--{{User:The General/sig}} 10:11, 1 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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User_talk:Boxy. Predicting the future sine 2006. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:38, 5 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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===Sig Problems Boxy?===<br />
Maybe I'm daft but your sig looks the same as it always has to me. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:57, 21 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:I don't use a templated sig, so my old ones didn't change, but I can't seem to get the code I was using to work as a sig now, only a bare basic sig... ie. -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 14:34, 21 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::Is the treat signature as wikitext box marked? --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:57, 21 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::i take it this has somthing to do with the update? b/c my sig is broke also. the code is too long? guess i'm back to templated sigs. :P ----<small><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]]&nbsp;</small> 15:08, 21 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::It looks fine to me. What browser are you using? ~[[Image:Vsig.png|Vapor]] <sub>15:11, 21 April 2011</sub><br />
:::::no whats going on is where you enter code for your sig the text box is smaller.. so if you have a bunch of code. you are fucked. like boxy and I... I can only enter about half of it now. and the small date/time thing does not work with template sigs.----<div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]]&nbsp; 15:16, 21 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::Oh I see. Well you can have a templated sig but subst it. For example here is preferences: {{CodeInline|<nowiki>{{subst:User:Vapor/sig}} <sub>{{subst:LOCALTIME}}, {{subst:LOCALDAY}} {{subst:LOCALMONTHNAME}} {{subst:LOCALYEAR}}</sub></nowiki>}}. So the code for my sig is stored on [[User:Vapor/sig]] but when I sign, the code is subst'd and the template isn't called. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|Vapor]] <sub>15:30, 21 April 2011</sub><br />
:::::::Same as Vapor and mine is unaffected. Looks like that's how it has to be done now.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 15:32, 21 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::oh i think i just thought of a way around it.----<div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]]&nbsp; 15:42, 21 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::fixed i just added the time code stuff to my sig code with <nowiki><small></small></nowiki>. and left the image stuff as a template. great now I get to keep the look i wanted. remeber this is how I wanted it in the first place.. win!----<small><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]]&nbsp;</small><small>15:47, 21 April 2011</small><br />
::::::::One of the new features is an option to limit the size of sigs; evidently the default is less than we are used to. I suspect that it'll be easier to template the sigs than to get Kevan to change it.--{{User:The General/sig}} 17:11, 21 April 2011 (BST)<br />
Testies <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 00:38, 22 April 2011</small><br />
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Just to butt-in but is it against the rules to incorporate the time stamp into your sig? or would that be wiki breaking?--{{User:Imthatguy/sig}} 14:11, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:As long as you always sign with <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (inserting just the sig without the timestamp, thus avoiding double time stamps), it should work splendid. Not sure if it would work properly with templated sigs, though. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 14:25, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:: Yeah ran into a problem with the new sig limits, has anyone told kevan?, because it is very easy to bypass it with templated sigs--{{User:Imthatguy/sig}} 14:35, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::We haven't told Kevan yet because we're still finding out what all is broken and what we can just fix ourselves. Discussion is happening at [[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Discussion#Wiki_update_FAQs]]. In the case of signature length, I think the default value of 255 characters is being used in Default.php. Kevan needs to change &MaxSigChars to something other than 255 Ideally it would be whichever number was used before. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>14:53, 22 April 2011</sub><br />
::::yeah i bypassed with a combo of the two. and sign with <nowiki>~~~</nowiki>--<small><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div>&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]]&nbsp;</small><small>14:58, 22 April 2011</small><br />
::::: Sweet, but can someone check it out for obvious coding defects? --{{User:Imthatguy/sig}} 16:44, 23 April 2011<br />
::::::Your sig is bound to cause trouble by not closing the bolding tags. If you want a bolded timestamp, you are going to need to subst your sig so that all tags can be closed. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 16:50, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::: Fixed for you, but if you want bold timestamp than as spider said, you'll have to subst it using magic words and three tilde signing. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>16:54, 23 April 2011</sub><br />
:::::::: or just have two bold groupings --{{User:Imthatguy/sig}} ''' 20:20, 23 April 2011 '''<br />
:::::::::'-.- -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 00:11, 24 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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===SIG PROBLEMS BRO===<br />
Honestly probably best if everyone just shuts up and gives him the week. Although, it is pretty fun to watch. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:09, 20 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:Meh. If they don't get the responce they're after, they'll just push harder -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]]<br />
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==March 2011==<br />
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===thanks===<br />
i stole a lot from you to make my sig. <small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 17:26 27 March 2011 (UTC)</small><br />
even bettah!<br />
--<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 17:29 27 March 2011 (UTC)</small><br />
:Heh :) I remember fooling Vista with a similar one, years ago. He thought that I'd been forgetting to sign all over the wiki <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:05 28 March 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
::i miss that guy. --<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 15:01 30 March 2011 (UTC)</small><br />
::Harh! Yes! {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 01:57, 31 March 2011 (BST)<br />
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===A/RE===<br />
Looks like you're up, followed shortly by RHO and then Mis. Good luck to you, sir (not that I think you need it). {{User:Vapor/sig}} <sub>05:35, 24 March 2011</sub><br />
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===Karloth===<br />
I just thought I'd come here and point out that all of Karloth's VD is pretty much non-harmful editing and thus a perfect example of what a lot of us spent years getting on Izzy for reporting as vandalism. I don't feel like bringing it up in the A/VB drama but I did think you'd appreciate and be able to see the similarities in how he was escalated and why so many of the admin team frequently clashed with Iscariot for reporting based on strict letter. It's a good example of why Judgement and Spirit is still part of the enforcement rules and what happens when they're removed. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:31, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, but that judgement cuts both ways. I appreciate the arguement in the case of his editing of the PK page. But the rest (other than the humourous suggestions one) seem to be the fault of his friends. Perhaps he should choose different ones to mess with, ones who wont report him to A/VB for the lolz. If a third party had reported him for either of the last two, I would have said, "meh, not vandalism, they do that shit". But when the participants themselves go out of their way to make us make a decision... we have to. The thing that forces it over the line for me, then, is the reason behind the "mock" vandalism... it goes from being done for laughs between friends, to being about making drama <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 07:13 23 March 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
::I understand that but, there was a time where we would escalate the person actually vandalizing A/VB. Specifically the reporter and not the person obviously not doing anything wrong. It's sorta like saying it's bad faith by association doing it this way. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::The problem is that the smart arses (and yeah, that includes Karloth, and everyone who reports him) are doing this to "promote anarchy" (or some other similar "non-conformist" form of kewl). I appreciate it as an ingame roleplaying tool, and to an extent in their wiki contributions. But that's an intergroup or interpersonal interaction thing. Once it gets brought into the admin area, especially by page owners, we've got to say enough, and treat them like everyone else <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:03 24 March 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
::::Yes but in cases where it's not the page owners having a tromp about admin pages? I could understand escalating both users in cases like the Karloth one, the justification makes sense and while I would avoid it as much as possible personally in favor of targeting the person who escalates it too far it certainly does make sense. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 15:30, 24 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::Anarchy has it's downsides.<br />But in this case, it all came out in the wash. Perhaps they have a point {{tongue}} <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:55 26 March 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
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===A/VD===<br />
Just thought I'd provide this if someone felt up to linking my warning as I've noticed is done in many cases now. Here's the link for mine [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2008_05#User:Karek_and_User:Hagnat|linkee]]. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 23:26, 7 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Mmmm, Nubis breaks the deadlock. Nice <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:30 8 March 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
::I kinda had this(bid) coming as a response. It's really kinda fitting considering. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:22, 27 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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===siggie ?===<br />
how do i make my time stamp small?--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}} 03:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:You can't do it with templated signatures. In my preferences => User profile => Nickname I have:<br />{{codeinline|<nowiki><small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> {{subst:LOCALTIME}} {{subst:LOCALDAY}} {{subst:LOCALMONTHNAME}} {{subst:LOCALYEAR}} (BST)</span></small></nowiki>}}<br />,and I also have the "''Raw signatures (without automatic link)''" checkbox ticked. Then I sign with 3 tildes (<nowiki>~~~</nowiki>) <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 04:52 5 March 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
::that figures. i finally took the time to figure out how to that. this is the code i'm working with. when i tried adding stuff at the bottom it go all wonky. <nowiki><small><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|bitch]]</small></nowiki>--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}} 05:03, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::finely figured it out. i just have to take off one of these ~ when I sign and the code works now. thanks for the help.--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<br />
::::Good oh.... to bad it didn't work here though :P <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:30 8 March 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
yes it did.--<small><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 05:31 24 March 2011 (UTC)</small><br />
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==February 2011==<br />
=== My template ===<br />
I was venturing into the idea of making a RP template that was similar to the danger report system of auto update and multiple location support...lol bear with me its gonna take lots of work, just starting to get it going <small>—The preceding [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Bjornkarl|Bjornkarl]] ([[User talk:Bjornkarl|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bjornkarl|contribs]]) 01:42, March 1, 2011.</small><br />
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=== image ark ===<br />
yo, can u do me a favor and add the image that were in my image ark in yours ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 12:37, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Shouldn't you hav thought of that before you went delete crazy FOR LOLS LOL LOL -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 12:57, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::You indeed should have... but anyway... is [[User:Hagnat/ImageArk|this]] the one you wanted the content saving from? <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:13 18 February 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
::: it was the only thing worth salvaging, and i kind of forgot about that --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 13:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::You mean, you forgot to not be a fucking retard? Shocked to stone -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 13:27, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::: it looks like ur starting to offend me somehow... but i forgive u * pats DDR in the head * --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 13:35, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::There's probably plenty in there, that was worth saving. Anyway, all gone now.<br />Death is whimsical, today <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:33 18 February 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
:::::: thank you for saving these boxy --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 13:35, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Give the guy a chance===<br />
In all honesty, I reckon it was far more my fault that the case exploded out of proportion than anybody else's. If you give Thad space and let him have a chance, I'm sure he'll end up proving himself to you.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 10:40, 14 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, sure... pretty much the first thing the arsehole does, is post up an A/VB case, and then when a couple of sysops disagree, he decides to fill the page with whine. And it's not like I didn't see it coming. Fuck him, he's had years to impress me, and he's given nothing, unlike the rest of you who are occasional arses {{tongue}} <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:45 14 February 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
::Fair enough, but I think you'll be surprised if you just give him some space.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 10:47, 14 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::don't you mean rope?----[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">sexualharrison</span>]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 17:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Did I impressed you boxxy?--[[User:SA|If my name was MisterGame AKA Thadeous Oakley, I would be a massive flaming faggot. >:|]] 23:17, 28 March 2011 (BST)<br />
:Some of your mood swings were pretty impressive <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:09 29 March 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
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===Probationary Sys-Op===<br />
I had hoped that you'd see it on Ross' talk and save me the trouble of having the same discussion in multiple places. But it has been sitting there for some days now, so I better bring it here: [[User_talk:Rosslessness#Probationary_Sys-Op]] Your thoughts on that as someone who's been a crat for ages? Think that it would be a worthwhile policy suggestion? --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 14:44, 12 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I answered over there <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:35 13 February 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
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==January 2011==<br />
===Wat? Where?===<br />
As you wanted to know where. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Email? I haz sent <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:53 31 January 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
::I haz replied --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:18, 31 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::http://iamscott.net/1296507220982.html --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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=== black-power hairy-head ===<br />
nice revertings... who is that guy? does that happen often? --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 09:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Just our resident nazi troll. Ignore him ;) <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:09 30 January 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
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===broke teh rulz===<br />
Juz read <sup>[[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> How can I delete my [[User:Sattano|wiki alt]]?<br />
--{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 13:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:As long as you don't use it to avoid wiki consequences for your main account, you're not really braking any rulz <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:10 25 January 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
:If you really have no use for the account any more, though, you can get it deleted by posting it to [[A/SD]]. It is best to do this with the actual account in question though (rather than with your [[User:Lady Clitoria|main account]]) so that sysops know that you're not just getting someone else's page deleted <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:14 25 January 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
Thanks. In that case will just keep it, but won't use it. Deleting it may mess up any contributions that ac made. Perhaps. Thanks. --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 14:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:OK, looks like you [[UDWiki:Administration/Speedy_Deletions/Archive/2011_01#User:Sattano|decided to nuke it]] anyway. It won't affect the contributions you made with the account, because we don't/can't actually delete the account (you can still log in with it), just delete the user page for it <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:21 26 January 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
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===Sig===<br />
Your signature looks awesome. :D --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 10:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I is awesome at code stealin' :P <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:21 26 January 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
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==December 2010==<br />
===Question===<br />
u recently blocked my rommate with the username nexus and i assure u nexus is not a alt of me we just share a pc can u please unban him he would never vandalise wiki on purpose can u send me somthin of wut ur planning to do thanks--[[User:Zombieman 11|Zombieman 11]] 22:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:It's probably the fact you do everything so similar. Like the fact you don't capitalize I's , or use any punctuation, or the fact you both seem to miss the "g" of words like "thinking" or "something". Oh, and editing as [[User:Survivor 2.0]] isn't helping things at all. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:29, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Which isn't against the rules (to my knowledge) since the alt in question is neither committing vandalism, voting illegally, nor evading a ban as Zombieman has only been warned, not actually banned. Unless I am missing something. Which is like totally possible!-[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 23:06, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I'm not judging the usefulness of this, merely questioning the claim that these (now 3) accounts are between two roommates. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:13, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::You just threw up a AVB case. What vandalism has Survivor 2 actually committed? How is this different from the Lois/Lois's alt case? This is drifting toward borderline checkuser abuse...-[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 23:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's using a second sock to try to establish that the first sock (which was used improperly) was a real person, which is just as bad. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fair enough. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 23:20, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Yeah. Mis explains more eloquently than I could. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:29, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:lolroomate. Haven't heard that one before <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 07:01 20 December 2010 (BST)</span></small><br />
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Boxy is a cunt mate dont worry about 'im aye he is jus a masive cunt ant he hatez every cunt on the planet plus he's fat--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 15:51, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==October 2010==<br />
===Guide===<br />
That ''was'' actually me circa age 12, and tbh it's more unfunny puerile Uncyclo refs than anything else. I'll probably put delete tags on it though--[[User:Mtumbe Ngoube|Mtumbe Ngoube]] 03:26, 21 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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===sucks you're stepping down===<br />
you have been a voice of reason for longer than i care to remember. good luck with whatever you are doing. ciao buddy.----[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">sexualharrison</span>]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 18:31, 4 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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If you would just confirm your demotion request, we'll kick of a fresh crat election and get you demoted to sop. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:36, 3 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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Wow... you are one of the few sane voices here and the place will not be the same without you.... congrats on your Escape! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:54, 5 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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He'll be back! You all know it. :D -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 01:53, 5 October 2010 (BST)<br />
:Yeah don't worry, boxy's my alt, just a bit busy, that's all. You're also my alt as well, DDR, you just don't know it yet. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:02, 5 October 2010 (BST)<br />
::Ffffff. I've been telling people that i've been a long time victim of nightly inception. Now I have the proof! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 04:35, 5 October 2010 (BST)<br />
{{*}}Salutes Boxy* --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 03:12, 5 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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==September 2010==<br />
===I came up with an Idea, but need your input===<br />
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I thought it would be cool if we had a wiki [[User of the Month]] Competition. Now, this would probably have to be run by Sysops, so, I'm [[Talk:User of the Month|Asking for your input here]]. And dont worry, I've asked the other Sysops too.<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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===chile===<br />
Hey man, do you remember a year and a half ago you showed me a link on IRC about that news report of the small rainfall in chile which knocked out power for 60,000 or so people? I've been googling it but I can't find it : ( do you have it hidden away somewhere, or remember what site it was from? Super thanks if you can help me out :D -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 15:19, 19 September 2010 (BST)<br />
:This probably isn't the link I had at the time, but I just googled up the story, "[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/21/tiny-drizzle-wreaks-havoc_n_242057.html Tiny Drizzle Wreaks Havoc In Desert City]", about Iquique being damaged by a rainfall of 0.2mm (their yearly average is 0.6mm) :D <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:39 20 September 2010 (BST)</span></small><br />
::My numbers were a bit out, but that's the one! My god, it's one of the funniest things I've ever read. Thanks heaps. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 14:54, 20 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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=="Problems" with the wiki/ect==<br />
*Much of the site is pro-survivor, mostly inadvertently, such as all non Greater Ridleybank suburbs and the general concept of the suburb danger levels.<br />
*The admins are agents of the antichrist >.><br />
*Kevan is biased towards zombies, per the fact he likes zombies at all.<br />
*The population of malton liked drinks.<br />
*This game and Wiki have a decidedly British POV problem.<br />
*Many users are communist agents <br />
*Many users are pro-zombie or pro-survivor.<br />
*The above statement may not be true<br />
*the military hates us<br />
*Malton is very dry besides random heavy fog and snow.<br />
*A lack of religious buildings dedicated to Kevanism<br />
*To much support of KEvanism<br />
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==How to Update a Suburb Danger Report==<br />
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First find the report you wish to update, you can search for it by typing "User:DangerReport/''Suburb''" in the search box. You can also find it listed in this category, just scroll to the bottom of the page. The is also a link listed on each suburb's page in the template on the right. It can be found just below the 9-suburb map.<br />
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You then need to change the <tt>|Danger=</tt> variable to one of the possible statuses. You can briefly explain the reason for the change in the edit summary. Longer explanations are best left on the page of the suburb in question under the news section, or on the [[suburb]] page under the reports section.<br />
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===Example===<br />
:[[Example page|Example User]] wants to change the danger level of [[Hollomstown]] from '''moderately dangerous''' to '''safe''', since he has scouted that suburb and found almost no zombies outside, and no PKing activity was reported for some time.<br />
:[[Example page|Example User]] then goes to the [[Hollomstown]] page and follows this link: [[User:DangerReport/Hollomstown|Update Hollomstown's Danger Level]] which leads to the danger report page for Hollomstown.<br />
:Now he changes the danger variable from <tt>'''|Danger=moderately dangerous'''</tt> to <tt>'''|Danger=safe'''</tt><br />
:He can then note the change on the [[Hollomstown#Recent News|Hollomstown]] page in the news section. Or add a report on the [[Suburb#Reports|Suburb]] page.<br />
:{{Code|May 10th - No zombie or pking activity in this suburb. This suburb is now safe. --[[Example page|Example User]] 16:25, 13 August 2006 (BST)}} <br />
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If a suburb is deemed noteworthy, change <tt>|Notority=normal</tt> to <tt>|Notority=notable</tt> and this will bold the suburb's name on map output.<br />
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=Reporting discussion=<br />
==A disputed report==<br />
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'''[[Lukinswood]]''' almost half the buildings are under zed control it should be dangerous --[[User:Zombieman 11|Zombieman 11]] 19:25, 22 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:This report was completely fabricated. The suburb was no more ruined the day of the report than Zombieman 11 is a saint. This section is bullocks. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 04:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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i know it wasnt ruined but from a short scout alot of trp were zed homes not ruined yet--[[User:Zombieman 11|Zombieman 11]] 21:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Lukinswood doesn't have "alot" of TRPs. The few that it has were not recently broken into, either. Unless you are referring to [[The Coram Building]] (not technically a TRP) which has been subject to repeated zerg rushes for the last eight or nine months. Stop misleading people. In fact, stop using the Suburb page to post reports. It's retarded to keep posting reports there. Use the news section of the respective suburb pages or just update the damn danger level. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 01:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
I'm moving this here since the report is clearly disputed and apparently with good reason. There's no sense in confusing people. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:52, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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=Danger colors discussion=<br />
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=Noteworthy Suburbs=<br />
==Simple Guidelines for Noteworthiness==<br />
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For a suburb to be able to be called ''Noteworthy'', important events on the history of Malton must have happened on it. The place where hordes were born, important sieges, or events that gained attention from the entire community.<br />
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*'''An important and unique event must have happened in the suburb'''<br />
:Events like [[Stanstock]], the [[First Siege of Caiger Mall|first]] and [[Second Siege of Caiger Mall|second]] sieges of [[Caiger Mall]] are nice examples of unique events that marked history. The first united the entire urban dead community, and the second and third were HUGE sieges where survivor-kind won against the hordes. Events like the [[Mall Tour]] and the [[Big Bash]], on the other hand, doesn't make a suburb noteworthy, as several burbs took part of this event.<br />
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*'''An important and/or historical group was formed in that suburb'''<br />
:When a group manages to draw the attention of the entire community or influence the gameplay centers his actions around a burb of birth, that suburb can be called noteworthy. Examples of this are [[Ridleybank]] and [[Yagoton]]. The first is the infamous homeland of zombie-kind, homeland of the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]], while the second is the home of the [[Yagoton Revivification Clinic]], the first and most famous group dedicated to revivification.<br />
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*'''A unique and noteworthy building exists in this suburb'''<br />
:This usually doesn't make a suburb noteworthy at all, unless important events on the history of Malton happened there. Resiting two huge sieges inside [[Caiger Mall]] make that unique building noteworthy, while having the only Zoo in the city isn't noteworthy as nothing important of note happened there.<br />
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Note that merely fitting in any of these categories doesn't automatically make a suburb noteworthy. It still needs the approval of the community. Nominate and discuss a suburb in the below header.<br />
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==Nominations==<br />
I'd like to nominate Lukinswood for notable suburb status, due to it now containing the Emergency Brodcast system.<br />
--[[User:Tyl110|Tyl110]] 07:22, 29 August 2009 (BST)<br />
:Quoting the above criteria:<br />
::"A unique and noteworthy building exists in this suburb. This usually doesn't make a suburb noteworthy at all, ''unless important events on the history of Malton happened there''."<br />
:While I can see the broadcast station drawing some sort of major event in the future, it's yet to host anything particularily noteworthy. As much as I'd like to see it get recognition, I'm not sure it warrants any (yet).--{{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 07:31, 29 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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I don't think anything is noteworthy other than Greater Ridleybank and the two suburbs with gatehouses, but Owsleybank is now more notable than Yagoton, Eastonwood, Pitneybank, or Shearbank, and thus meets the community standard, if not my own. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 05:18, 25 May 2010 (BST)<br />
:Pitneybank has a gatehouse ({{Tongue}}), but I'd think we need to wait and see. Owsleybank is a place where something big ''could'' happen. Right now though, I wouldn't say that anything worthy of a historical note on the map has happened yet. Hundreds of people gather every day in Creedy and/or Giddings, but thta's an everyday occurrence. Just because it happens in a different location than usual doesn't make it special, in and of itself. For now, I'm definitely of the "wait and see" mind. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:18, 25 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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I'd like to nominate Owlseybank. As the location of the (failed) [[ESCAPE]] attempt, it certainly deserves some notice. Stanbury Village was given special notice for being the site of the Strike, in addition for being part of the territory of the RRF and all that. Unique event: ESCAPE, although not successful, was definitely this. Important/Historical Group: although it failed in its bid for the title of "historical," it was one of the largest survivor groups that Malton has seen for some time. In fact, it was stronger than the Dual Nature movement, the RRF, Feral Undead, and most of the other "important" groups out there. (Although it did get crushed, for a number of reasons.) Noteworthy building: the only attempt to get out of Malton was made in the railway station. I'd say that makes it noteworthy.--[[User:Sam 2334|Sam 2334]] 22:01, 14 October 2010 (BST)<br />
:I'd disagree. On Strike resulted in literal game changes happening. ESCAPE? Not so much. Can you point to anything that has changed in terms of general thought or actual gameplay in the months since ESCAPE? Also, you conflate strength and size. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:17, 14 October 2010 (BST)<br />
:In hindsight, Escape didn't make Owsleybank all that important. It's still just another suburb, even if there was a big event once upon a time. I'm not saying it shouldn't be remembered, but that the way to do it is by finishing up [[Escape (event)|this]] page and nominating it as a historical event already. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 06:27, 15 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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The three qualifications for noteworthy suburb are satisfied by [[Rotwood|Roftwood]]. Through the existence of [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Open_Air historical events] and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/The_Apocalypse_Horde historical groups], it must be acknowledged that the suburb has had an effect on the community of [[Malton]]. For a more in depth report on a series of lectures hosted in a notable building, please visit the links provided at [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Quartly_Lecture_Group the Quartly Lecture Group].<br />
--[[User:Sir Fred of Etruria|Sir Fred of Etruria]] 02:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Ehh...I don't know. I wasn't around during Open Air, so I don't know how important it was to the community as a whole. Seems like it may have been historical, but perhaps only of significance to the locals, given that it was a local event that was intentionally avoiding attention (when it finally got attention, it fell apart, after all). And the horde you mentioned seems to have finished in Roftwood, but I don't see any ties to Roftwood like we do with Ridleybank and the RRF or Eastonwood and the Eastonwood Ferals. The QSG are definitely noteworthy (one of my favorite groups that I'm not in, in fact), but when you compare it against the other noteworthy suburbs, I just don't see Roftwood standing beside them as a peer. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:43, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hmm. Lets have [[Kempsterbank]] as well. [[SFHNAS]] have outlived the EF and Extinction. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Dunell Hills===<br />
I would like to nominate [[Dunell Hills]]. With only 1 Necrotech building it is a place of hard fights between The Dead and DHPD. I also think the recent events (1400+ The Dead members) will make the history of this suburb even more interesting. [[User:Jelito2008|Jelito2008]] 15:27, 15 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:Dunell Hills and the [[DMZ]] have been a fucking deathtrap for years now thanks to [[The Dead]], even with the attention of one of the game's largest and oldest survivor groups and various others. And there have been a '''lot''' of attempts at retaking it. I'd say that with this in addition to its other history that it's definitely worthy of being marked notable. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 22:15, 15 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::Having myself once tried to reclaim that suburb, I concur. Even at their downtime with membership in the lower double digits, The Dead made it hard to make lasting progress (and it has been tried and tried). --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 22:19, 15 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Seems fair --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 22:51, 15 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::yep <small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking &nbsp;&nbsp; </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> &nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] &nbsp;&nbsp;23:38 15 April 2011 (UTC) </small><br />
:::::Where would we vote on Dunell Hills? --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 15:50, 3 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::Generally you don't. It seems pretty well accepted that the occupation of the Dead for a number of years has made Dunell Hills noteworthy as one of the deadliest places in Malton. Updating. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:21, 3 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::Looks good, cheers karek! --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:15, 3 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::I fixed it up a little. "Visit with caution" is a warning that is only applicable to survivors, after all, since zombies have free reign in the suburb last I checked. Also it's not the "home" of the Dead, it's merely where we came into being. The whole city is our playground. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 11:34, 4 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::k, what ever works. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:43, 4 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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=General Discussion=<br />
==Special formatting on group listings==<br />
During the Great Suburb Group Massacre, I've noticed some groups using the code for big text (<nowiki><big></big></nowiki>) and bolding (<nowiki><b></b> or ''' '''</nowiki>.) I know that code has been historically used for alliances, but does anyone object to me removing that code when it's individual groups that are using it? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:There's no reason for ''any'' groups to be using additional markup to give themselves undue prominence. The bold/big combo was just used to show the name of organisations with their member groups underneath. It's there to to help people navigate, nothing more. The recommended guidelines are [[Template:SuburbGroups|well documented]] on the template page. All group listings should conform accordingly. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 17:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Updating the DangerMap System==<br />
This is probably the most updated system of any we have. It's not the easiest to update though and could also do with some other minor tweaks. So here's a few suggestions I'd like some discussion/agreement on before changes are made. Each of these points is independent of the others.<br />
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1. '''Change the code on all 100 suburb danger reports to <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:The_Rooster/Sandpit/2&oldid=1407943 this]</span>.'''<br>This is intended to:<br />
*Make it easier for users to update the map correctly by providing the options, with a legend and an example on page so they can tell what the change is as soon as the page saves. This also makes errors dead easy to spot.<br />
*Prevent confusion when using the special/map variations by making it an option the average user will not need to edit.<br />
*Provide flexibility for other pieces of coding by allowing the techie types to call their own formatting templates.<br />
*Make it easier to provide instructions by adding it in a template.<br />
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Other notes:<br />
*The current map templates would be renamed to something more explanatory, since the user needs no longer know the name.<br>Proposed: "DangerMap''NotorietyStatus''" where Notoriety would either be 'normal' or 'notable' and Status would be the status.<br />
*After a quick inclusion limit test, I found this code would not endanger any existing templates and force them over the limit. The pre-expand include size, the important one, was unchanged between the current template and the code above. Post-expand and template arguments went up, but these are not factors towards the limit.<br />
*Note: The link on the test page, "2", will link to the suburb when actually used, and not a red page.<br />
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2. '''Change the available status text to one form of English. EG: 'safe' 'moderately dangerous' 'dangerous' 'very dangerous' and 'abandoned'/'a ghost town' '''<br />
*To allow text based status to be shown, such as in tooltips, without odd English. 'Havercroft is safe' works now, 'Havercroft is moderate' does not.<br />
*For the sake of being uniform.<br />
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3. '''Change the [[User:DangerReport/Border|suburb border]] colour and unify it with the [[Template:Border|block border]] colour'''<br>Proposed: A darker shade of grey for the cell border and fill. Not as dark as the block one, somewhere in-between probably.<br />
*This makes it easy to distinguish from the ghost town colour at a glance.<br />
*Making the colours the same is a sensible thing to do.<br />
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All good. But do we need a separate danger report for notorious suburbs? Really? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:You mean you want to get rid of the 'special' status that gives bold text for such suburbs? That's another discussion. Anyway I'm going to go ahead and implement No.3 since it's not particularly major and easy to revert. 1 and 2 will happen in a few more days in some discussion doesn't show up between now and then. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 12:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
Can you explain to me in practical terms how this will be easier to use than the original? I still don't get it. Regardless, I am for a change in this system, and if you want I'll help change the templates for you. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 13:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:You get to see the output as soon as you save, so spotting a wrong status or total muck up is easy. The legend gives you a list of available statuses and their meanings on site so you don't have to trawl around to check what they are (Great for the new guys). If the available statuses change or definitions are adjusted, they can be propagated by template in one edit rather than 100. That's about it for the updating user, but the coding bunch can make the template work for them even more. Right now you're stuck to just using the table info the template gives, the new one can allow you to actually use the status to work for you allowing you to reference images or other pages or output text strings or all sorts without resorting to switch hackery which inflates the template cost of the system needlessly and also breaks if anybody changes the colour definitions, even just a little. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 13:33, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Right well, it's been done. I'm still darting about the wiki updating documentation and keeping an eye out for broken maps. Seems to have gone smoothly for the most part. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 16:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Other Maps==<br />
Needs to me morphed into a template. It shouldn't have been added in that manner in the first place and compromises the readability of the page. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 08:00, 2 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Map Errors==<br />
Anyone else noticed how inaccurate the maps are becoming since they started basing them on EMR reports instead of eyewitnesses? EMR is a poor indicator of danger level. I think the overall accuracy level has gone down, although at least they all get updated regularly ... even if it is with bad info. -- [[User:Grogh|Grogh]] 02:49, 11 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:The EMR system is the best we've got for suburbs like [[Miltown]] and [[Greentown]] were there are very few eyewitnesses around that update the wiki. Sure, it's not perfect, but unlike eyewitnesses, it's completely neutral.<br />
:By the way, if you've got information, stop complaining and go ahead and update it <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:19, 11 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:No one said you can't edit a map based on eyewitness reports, unless it was while I was away. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:06, 11 May 2009 (BST)<br />
::I agree a scout (particularly of the detail NecroWatch provides) will always outdo an EMR, there's just not the detail in the EMR, but they make a good general indicator for keeping the maps recent. Recent, if patchy, data is always preferable to outdated information. The only way 'accuracy' of the levels could degrade was if people were using the EMRs as a definitive yardstick despite recent news suggesting otherwise. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 16:43, 22 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Report cycling ==<br />
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Why a month? I don't think we would miss much if we changed it to 2 weeks. Not only is this underused as a source of information when compared to individual suburb pages, but most news would be out of date within a week or so anyway. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 13:40, 16 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:Would anyone like to discuss this? If not, 2 weeks from now, I'll change it to 2 weeks. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:15, 18 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:Silence implies consent, in most cases. I don't have a problem with it. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:23, 18 May 2009 (BST)<br />
::Silence implies no one was alerted, it's being readded and going to see use. If you see something not getting activity step one is to actually encourage activitiy and this page and it's news played a major role in the game's community when it actually saw use. It's the easy access high visibility way to get the pulse of the game. You're both fail for not having really discussed this at all >_>.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:21, 21 July 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Get off ma wikiz! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:27, 21 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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==is there a reason why...==<br />
the south doesn't seem to get as much action as the northern suburbs? Im just curious, cause all the major battles all happened in the upper half of the map. --[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:14, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Geographic tenancies. Predicting zombie movement and survivor resistance is an art. ''Most'' people, including myself, agree that the South is more survivor friendly. But the reason is anyone's guess. Let's look at the [[Mall Status Map|layout of malls]], shall we? You may notice that they group together. Treweeke stands alone, it would be difficult to repair, due to it's distance from other malls, and thus leaves the extreme NE vulnerable. The majority of the Malls form a diagonal vein from the NW to SE corners. This includes the so-called [[Survivor Security Zone]], and the 5 mall loop that includes Caiger. While this would logically mean safety, Malls attract the extremes of the local situation; They're the first building ruined and the first repaired. So the massive dead-zone around Greater Ridleybank spreads though these, with feral ripples hitting even the farthest of the collection. The easiest to defend mall clusters are Marven-Tompson and Pole-Buckley. They're well out of the way of the zombie homeland, invulnerable from feral ripples from a few malls over, and two must be toppled before the complex can fall. Thus the SW and mid-south are easiest to maintain a steady supply to, making them safest for living. However, there are many things which I have not considered; The reputation of an area (it's funner to ruin Caiger than Buckley), local groups (pro-life groups in the South seem to last longer and hold better relations), and local survivor intelligence (or lack thereof) also have an effect. No one can ever fully understand the beautiful display of the danger maps over time, but I encourage you to try. <small><small><small><small>Unless you're pro-life, in which case I'd prefer you die.</small></small></small></small> --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 04:38, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I love being able to legitimately plug my own video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQLY1Xxktcg]! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 05:30, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Group in notorious suburb info==<br />
why is the kilt store mentioned on this page? what the hell have they done to warrant any special attention?----[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">sexualharrison</span>]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 22:38, 18 October 2010 (BST)<br />
:+1 --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 23:05, 18 October 2010 (BST)<br />
::Good call. Removed. If they get into Cat:HG later then they might consider adding themselves back at that time. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:11, 18 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Suggesting change in danger level==<br />
Can we put in a rule for the suburb reports that they shouldn't suggest changes to the danger level and should instead just do it themselves? We can easily provide a link to the instructions for changing it at the top of this page, but the fact that almost every report that comes in says, "Suggest change to X danger level" is ludicrous. Just change it, people! Don't suggest it! {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:57, 22 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Why is that section even there? {{User:Vapor/sig}} 21:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::That's an even better question than what I had. Since we have reports on every single suburb page, it seems like these are all redundant. About the only good use I could think of for it would be to post the locations of the hordes as they move around, but the hordes all post their locations in other ways, so this section is essentially useless. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:07, 22 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I agree, its useless. Just doing a precursory search of the history for that section, it's just like you said; it is only used by people to suggest changing such and such suburb to such and such danger level. It doesn't appear that those suggestion are ever taken to heart, either. Reports are rarely updated based on news in this section from what I can tell. Hell, suburb news is rarely even updated with this info from this section. I say eliminate the section, or replace the rules with instructions for updating Danger levels. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 22:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Sounds good. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:41, 22 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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While we're on the subject of changes to this section of the Suburb page, would anyone be opposed to the idea of placing links to the suburb danger level pages instead of just instructions on how to update them. The links could be stealthexternal so that it goes directly to the edit page for each suburb's danger update page (for example <span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:User:DangerReport/Eastonwood|action=edit}} Eastonwood]</span>). I'm thinking a table of ten by ten alphabetically listed suburb names. This would make it so much easier than clicking on the suburb name, then clicking on the update danger level link, then clicking edit{{User:Vapor/sig}} 07:27, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Here is what I had in mind<br />
{{User:Vapor/sandbox/sandbox15}}<br />
:The thought also occurred to me to format it like so:<br />
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{{User:Vapor/sandbox/sandbox16}}<br />
:So that you get suburb link, edit link to danger report and link to suburb news. Thoughts? {{User:Vapor/sig}} 15:39, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I like it. Seems a bit clunky, but I can't think of anything better off the top of my head. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::What if we put tiny letter-links, like Wikipedia does on it's navigation templates, right on the dangermap? Like so: [[Wyke Hills]]<sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:User:DangerReport/Wray Heights|action=edit}} u] [[Wyke Hills#Recent_News|n]]</span></sup> --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 02:56, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Personally, I'd prefer that, but this is for wikinewbs, keep in mind. They'd have no clue about it and would just ignore them. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:56, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::What about links below the burb name, like this? Maybe even adding BIC (using the new BIC pages of course).<br />
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*[[Wykewood]]<br> <sup>[[Building Information Center/Wykewood|BIC]] - [[Wykewood#Recent_News|news]] - <span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:User:DangerReport/Wykewood|action=edit}} danger] </span></sup><br />
*[[Yagoton]]<br> <sup>[[Building Information Center/Yagoton|BIC]] - [[Yagoton#Recent_News|news]] - <span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:User:DangerReport/Yagoton|action=edit}} danger]</span></sup><br />
|}<br />
:::::{{User:Vapor/sig}} 22:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::I had actually been considering something like that as a compromise (I assume we're talking about putting it on the map, right?), but it seems like it's then too much to add to the map. The problem is, I wouldn't cut any of those three, since they're all useful to have links to. It might be worth mocking up to see how it looks though. It'd certainly be more utilitarian, and it wouldn't eat up half the page with additional links. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:56, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I wasn't considering putting them on the map, though I know its been suggested and I could see the benefit from it. What I'm suggesting is that this goes in the section currently labeled Danger Reports along with some sort of preamble or instructions for updating news and danger. As far as mocking up, I am traveling at the moment and just realized I don't have Excel on my new laptop. Unless someone else wants to take over for now, it'll have to wait until after the new year. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 23:41, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::So it'd be a slight redo of the thing you posted? I see that as better than what we have, but not ideal still. It'd be best if we could work it into the map, but doing that in a sensible way is what's difficult. Maybe we can defer this until after New Year, since I'm guessing others might want to chime in but aren't because of the holidays. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 01:47, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I went ahead and mocked something up. Personally I think it looks a bit cluttered but I can see it as something I could get used to since it's so much more user-friendly. At the very least, I'd like to have it added to the list of maps at the bottom of the Suburb page.<br />
{{User:Vapor/sandbox/sandbox14}}<br />
Do we need an Open Discussion to get more opinions about the proposed change?<br />
{{User:Vapor/sig}} 05:31, 28 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I rather like it and would likely bookmark it instead of the danger report, but I suspect others may not, and your suggestion of merely linking it might not be a bad idea. Personally, I'm inclined to say "no" on the Open Discussion, since any stakeholder of this page should already be watching it or checking RC, and Open Discussions just slows decisions and invites delays and poor critiques from uninvolved/uninformed individuals, but that's just me (can you tell I'm not a big fan of Open Discussion for design changes and decisions that should be handled by knowledgeable people with a vested interest?). Also, it looks like all of the bolded suburbs (the noteworthy ones) line wrap with those words. Not a problem, but just pointing it out. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:36, 28 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I like this map.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 13:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Alright, I fixed the bolded links, templatespaced the map and added it to the list of "Other Maps". So that just leaves the original question: what to do about the section labeled "Danger Levels" on the Suburb page? {{User:Vapor/sig}} 17:31, 28 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::It's time to get rid of it, I think (and it's "Suburb Danger Report", incidentally). {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:22, 3 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== NPOV Suburb Levels ==<br />
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Since we're on this NPOV kick with the SuburbGroups template, we may as well tackle the notoriously biased Danger Reports. These reports go from "Safe" to "Very Dangerous". Now lets see..."safe" for who? Pro-Survivors of course! Probably not so "safe" for zombies though, not unless they want to get headshot every day and somehow consider that "safe". Now "very dangerous" for who? You get the idea. So in the spirit of "NPOV" how about we go on a new scale:<br />
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{| style="background:PapayaWhip; border:solid 2px Moccasin; border-spacing:7px"<br />
|- style="font-weight:bold"<br />
| Cell || Level || Description <br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#CFC;border:solid 2px #0E0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" | <br />
| Survivor Controlled<br />
| Zombie break-ins rare, Survivors hold practically the entire suburb.<br />
|-<br />
| style="background:#CF9;border:solid 2px #9C0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Survivor Advantaged <br />
| Daily Zombie break-ins, but Survivors hold most buildings.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#FFC;border:solid 2px #ED0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Contested<br />
| Many buildings ruined, ransacked or inhabited by Zombies but Survivors hold a significant area of control.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#FD9;border:solid 2px #EA0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Zombie Advantaged<br />
| Zombies inside most resource buildings, with small pockets of Survivor holdouts.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#F99;border:solid 2px #E00;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Zombie Controlled<br />
| Most buildings wide open or Zombie inhabited, Survivors hold little to no ground.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#EEE;border:solid 2px #CCC;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| A Ghost Town<br />
| At least 2/3rds of the suburb's buildings empty of Survivors or Zombies.<br />
|}<br />
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{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>15:47 13 February 2011(UTC)</tt><br />
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:I second this, and third it. I've wanted to see something like this implemented for a long time, and this seems the best exeuction of it. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:08, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:It's more precise as well. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:15, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Ghost town needs rewording slightly, to explained the ruinous nature. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:19, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Looks good.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 19:23, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I'm not too keen on the exact wording (it seems a little clunky to me) but I'd say something like this can work. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 19:34, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I think the green for Survivor Controlled and Survivor Advantaged are too similar. And I'm not too keen on creating more sublevels when there is already a lot of confusion between yellow and orange - I'd rather leave it at Survivor Advantage/Contested/Zombie Advantage using the three traffic light colours, with Ghost Town as odd man out in grey. Other than that, I agree that the system has to become more NPOV. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 19:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::As a firm believer in localised zombie groups, I quite like survivor advantaged. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::How about percentages? Just for example - '''Survivor Controlled''': 90% harman, '''Survivor Advantaged''': 65% harman, '''Contested''': 50%, and vice versa. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:52, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::God thats terrible. 90% of what? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:56, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Survivor controlled versus zombie controlled? Or keep with numbers like what we have now e.g. 50+ zombies, or 50+ survivors. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::::How are you defining survivor controlled? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:03, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::By numbers of survivor versus number of zombies. When that reaches close to 50%, it's contested, and when it reaches one extreme or another its controlled or advantaged or whatever. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 20:04, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Hmm. Kind of makes it hard to update the wiki if you're a zombie. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:08, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Or buildings ruined or buildings open. It's always going to be harder if you're a zombie because zombies can't freerun. Defining the suburb levels is little vague with what has been proposed.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 20:11, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:As Spider, I'd go with a different color than using two greens. Maybe a <span style="display: inline-block; background: #bdf; border: #35f solid 2px;">background of #bdf with a border of #3df</span> (it looks better when used in his table above than it does right here), with the shade of green we're currently using getting bumped to the second level instead of being the first one?<br />
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:As for the names and the wording, the idea is sound, but it needs a little tweaking, I'd suggest that the definitions be along the lines of intact and lit, mostly intact with sparse ruins, pockets of ruins and frequent break-ins, mostly ruined with sparse repairs, entirely ruined, and then ghost town. I think that by pairing pockets of ruins with break-ins and not mentioning break-ins until that far down, we'll avoid some controversy that I've seen in the past, where zombies want to move things to the current yellow level because they break into 1-2 buildings each day, even though they are getting repelled and their work is undone on a daily basis. Also, mentioning break-ins there and not earlier gives hordes an obvious level that they can set a suburb to when they first move in, that way others can see that something is happening in the suburb, even if it's not wrecked yet. Also, I wouldn't use the term "Contested", since you can bet that as soon as some asshat moves into a suburb to fight the incumbents (this applies both ways, incidentally), they will say that it is contested, even if they're making no noticeable impact on the suburb. And we can't touch Ghost Town, since, as I recall, it is dictated by policy or something.<br />
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:Finally, someone needs to ping Rooster on this if he hasn't been pinged already. We'll need to get his input on the technical side of things, since this sort of change will require, at a bare minimum, changes to around 105 templates that I can think of off the top of my head, and potentially many more that I don't recall immediately. He would know better, but some of the templates actually depend on having the current names for the danger levels being used, so if you were to change the wording of the level names, you'd have to move or create additional templates as well. Plus, these changes would break at least one of his bots too. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:13, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I demand these changes be implemented immediately without consulting Rooster for the sole pupose of seeing how much chaos his bots cause!--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:42, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I can see about test boarding some of the ideas to see if they work. As for implementation, who needs ab ot when you have a Ctrl, c, and v button? {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 23:16, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
I agree that its about damn time this is implemented. Blue instead of green would be nice. As Aichon, maybe keep it more break-in oriented instead of zombie/survivor controlled oriented (although that may be difficult for people to grasp at first since it is diametrically opposed to the current system). Am I the only one that thinks "Advantaged" is an ugly word? Its proper, but just looks and sounds awful in my opinion. I think just "Advantage" conveys the same meaning and isn't as grating. Maybe I'm just being a grammarphile. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 06:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Less break-in oriented, and more ruin/repair oriented, actually, since it's quantifiable. The mention of break-ins with the current system is actually a source of controversy, as I mentioned. I seem to recall arguing about it with zeug a year or two back when he and I almost got into an edit war over Judgewood. And people already think in terms of ruins now, but there are so many numbers and ambiguous terms in the definitions that people can shift things around pretty willy nilly. Making it solely or mostly based on ruins and less on zed vs. survivor numbers just seems like it's less open to problems. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::The Acid Test for any suburb danger system is [[Kempsterbank]]. I look forward to your proposals. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Since its such a subjective thing we're trying to categorize, there will always be controversy / drama, but I like Aichon's idea for minimizing it. Also agree with Vapor on Advantage vs. Advantaged. I think I would like to see: Survivor Control, Survivor Advantage, Stalemate, Zombie Advantage, Zombie Control, Ghost Town. --[[User:Zarneverfike|Zarneverfike]] 05:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I actually started out with those in mind (except Stalemate) but changed it because of the way people generally talk about Suburbs, as in: "This Suburb is Very Dangerous". "This Suburb is Survivor Advantage" sounded clumsy to me so I changed them a bit to reflect how the terms would probably most often be used when describing a Suburb.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>15:13 16 February 2011(UTC)</tt><br />
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{| style="background:PapayaWhip; border:solid 2px Moccasin; border-spacing:7px"<br />
|- style="font-weight:bold"<br />
| Cell || Level || Description <br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#09F;border:solid 2px #00C;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" | <br />
| Survivor Fortress<br />
| At least 90% of buildings are Repaired.<br />
|-<br />
| style="background:#6CF;border:solid 2px #69F;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Survivor Stronghold<br />
| At least 70% of buildings are Repaired.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#CCF;border:solid 2px #C9F;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Battleground<br />
| Ratio of Ruined/Ransacked buildings to Repaired buildings is 69% / 29% either way.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#F99;border:solid 2px #F66;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Zombie Ruin<br />
| At least 70% of buildings are Ruined/Ransacked.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#F66;border:solid 2px #C00;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Zombie Wasteland<br />
| At least 90% of buildings are Ruined/Ransacked.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#EEE;border:solid 2px #CCC;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| A Ghost Town<br />
| At least 2/3rds of the suburb's buildings empty of Survivors or Zombies.<br />
|}<br />
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More Ruin/Repair based. I didn't mess around with Ghost Towns. Maybe someone has some better ideas on that one.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>14:50 16 February 2011(UTC)</tt><br />
:Question: What if 70% or 90% of the buildings are ruined/ransacked, but at least 2/3rds of the suburb buildings are empty of survivors or zombies? Which level would it be? It would be meet both criteria. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I imagine Ghost Town takes precedence. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:33, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Why change the names to POV/rhetoric strangeness? I liked the wording further above. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 00:42, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::With the shift of focus to Ruins/Repairs I just thought these names reflected that better. It's not POV in any way that Safe/Dangerous is. Instead of subjectively judging whether a burb is "safe" or "dangerous" its objectively judging the state of its infrastructure. Seems pretty NPOV to me. But whatever, either way works for me.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>01:03 17 February 2011(UTC)</tt><br />
:::::As much as this change is needed, and I like this latest version as a gauge between zombies/pro-survivors, this danger level still ignores PKer threats. Add something (like black stripes, or some such) that can be added to any of the existing colors signifying a very significant PKer presence. Given that PKer attacks have [[PKA/Rolt_Heights|emptied entire suburbs]] in the past, this might even be relevant for Ghost Towns. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 01:12, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::Fair enough, I just don't like the "stronghold" and "fortress" stuff, it seems a little trenchie. Some may say the example higher up is sterile, but IMO it's a better option. If worst comes to worst, either do what you think (since you're doing the work) or just have a vote, either way's good. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 01:33, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Append "PK" to each status and let that replace the border with a black one instead, to signify mass PKing or an organised PKer event like Silent Night, etc. Also, I think "Survivor held", "Contested" and "Zombie held" would work best, though in a five-tier system there obviously needs to be another term too. "Controlled" for the stronger level, and "held" for the weaker level? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:36, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::: I foresee a "PK" status indicator being very problematic. Its like trying to count survivors vs. zombies in a suburb, but even worse because PKers can be completely anonymous. Also, whether there is a big Pk event, or just a small group of PKers moving into an area, the PK status will be changed, thus negating its usefulness. Further, most PK attacks and events are concentrated in malls, forts, etc. While those attacks would effect the safety of the particular large buildings, they wouldn't necessarily mean the the whole suburb was subject to PK attacks. --[[User:Zarneverfike|Zarneverfike]] 02:09, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::: I was really taken with Aichon's Ruin/Repair focus, since its easy for both Zombies and Survivors to judge, rather than the population thing. So it's hard to work PKers into that. Not that I don't sympathize. Have to think on it. Survivor Held/Controlled(Dominated?) could work but that leans us back into more of a population thing. We could just drop all reference to Survivors/Zombies and name them after the Infrastructure entirely. Get rid of Fortress/Stronghold (that's pretty population focused too) and go with descriptions of the buildings status. Intact, Dilapidated, Devastated, etc. In that case Ghost Town could probably be dropped all together. Of course this all could lead to some wildly complicated things like multiple maps, one for infrastructure, another for population, etc.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>12:53 17 February 2011(UTC)</tt> <br />
::::::::This really. Building status rather than "control" is more NPOV, and less prone to edit wars probably. Otherwise, you will get haggling back on and forth as "Survivor Fortress"" and "Zombie Wasteland" are loaded terms. I would shy away from "Zombie" or "Survivor" based names as well.-[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 17:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Agreed. I like ZL's suggestions and would work off of those ideas. Maybe something like Unscathed, Mostly Intact, Damaged, Mostly Ruined, Destroyed. As long as we quantify those, it should take most of the opinion out of things and leave it mostly up to scouting and observation in-game. Getting them to correspond to specific EMR would be nice as well, that way bots and folks that are distant can do something useful with the information. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:40, 19 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
If you want a truly neutral way to classify the danger in a suburb, you should base them off the info supplied in [[External Military Report Page|external military reports]]. They arn't really done often enough to give a day by day account, but at least you will have the occasional report for each suburb to give an accurate, and undeniable snapshot. Others can fight about percentages in between the EMR's, but at least you'll have somewhere solid to start at <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 01:42 17 February 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
:Never paid much attention to those things. I do sometimes get annoyed with people 20 suburbs away updating a suburb I'm familiar with when they have no on the ground evidence to support their update(more often than not they are not all that accurate). However, I'll research the EMR thing and get back to you.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>12:53 17 February 2011(UTC)</tt> <br />
::Frankly... unless someone devotes their entire daily AP to scouting a suburb, or has a large well organised group, or a zerg army, it's impossible to know what's going on in an entire suburb. Hence many of the "differences of opinion" (of course a few are also caused by bullshitters... but still) <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:06 17 February 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
:^ Perhaps a system could be devised to clearly objectify what danger report would mean what suburb level. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:^^If you decide to go EMRP, I'd think about dropping the Ghosttown (or its equivalent), since I <nowiki>*think*</nowiki> that the EMRP does not count zombies inside buildings. EMRP does give infrastructure though, which ties into perfectly to your idea about basing this on "building status" rather than populations. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 19:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
Haet it. Blue is not a good color. I'd strongly suggest you guys to move with something more greenish, as the military thing --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 01:49, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Some people called for blue so I thought I'd try it. :) ''Would'' be a little tricky as far as the links go, since they all seem to be in blue as well.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>12:53 17 February 2011(UTC)</tt><br />
::I think I like your first color scheme a bit better, though I think either is fine. Not too keen on the second green color in the first scheme though. It doesn't seem to quite match. As for names, what about dominated or controlled, held, and battleground? --[[User:Zarneverfike|Zarneverfike]] 23:44, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, my suggestion for blue was just so that we didn't have two shades of green to deal with. It makes it easier to reference, since I hear people calling them "green suburbs" or the like. Two shades of green would have made that tough. Also, I picked the shade of blue I gave earlier carefully so that the links would still show up on them just fine. Anyway, I like the original colors better, but would bump green #1 to #2's spot, and then would use a blue for the #1 spot. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:40, 19 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:As above, not a fan of the blue indicators. So, is there enough consensus now to mock something up? I think a sandbox demo is in order. Just keep it to a 3x3 or 4x4 suburb grid and give others permission to play around with it. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 17:02, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
If 'safe' to 'dangerous' descriptions for suburbs are too much of a pro-survivor viewpoint, perhaps green to red backgrounds are too? Also, green and red can be particularly difficult for colour blind people to distinguish. --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 01:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== POV Suburb Levels ==<br />
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While I like where ZL's head is currently at on this project, given that the "Pro-Survivor" version has been around since the beginning of the game, I think we should swing that bad-boy POV pendulumn back the other way for a couple of years. You know. For balance and karma.<br />
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| Harvest-Ready <br />
| Most buildings are closed, but full of delicous, buttery harman flesh. <br />
Delicious. Buttery. Flesh. <br />
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| style="background:#CF9;border:solid 2px #9C0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Harman-stock rebuilding<br />
| Some buildings are open, but for the most part, harmanz are being recultivated for <br />
the upcoming Fall harvest. Hordes, as always, are welcome to begin feeding.<br />
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| style="background:#FFC;border:solid 2px #ED0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Feeding Frenzy<br />
| Most buildings are open, and full of delicious, buttery harman flesh. Hordes, <br />
as always, are welcome to continue feeding.<br />
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| style="background:#FD9;border:solid 2px #EA0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Harmanz are Endangered<br />
| Harman numbers have fallen rapidly, and the species is now in endanger of becoming extinct. <br />
Zombies should continue drop-kicking that dead horse. <br />
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| style="background:#F99;border:solid 2px #E00;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Harmanz are Extinct in the wild<br />
| Harmanz are nearly extinct, except in isolated, controlled populations. Zombies should <br />
move on to greener pastures.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#EEE;border:solid 2px #CCC;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Harmanz Atrocity Zone<br />
| Harmanz have been eradicated from the suburb, and their corpses have been left to rot in <br />
the streets. Zombies should move on to greener pastures.<br />
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:I heartily support this proposal. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 04:25, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Given Recent activities this probably reflects the current status of the game better than the pro-survivor version. -- <span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:ephphatha]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 17:46, 29 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Largely Quantifiable Numbers ==<br />
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Since the current danger system utilizes some pretty straightforward numbers in the analysis, 50+ zombie hordes, 150+ zombie hordes, etc., I have found that current circumstances on the ground may warrant updating these numbers. Unlike the heyday of UD, overall participation is way down. Active accounts are down, too. Currently, the game has 8452 survivors standing, 4554 zombies standing, and 3716 dead/revivifying. This means that, per suburb assuming even distribution, there's around 84.5 survivors and 45.5 zombies. I haven't seen a fully-loaded multi-hundred-human defended mall in months, and there's absolutely no indication that the distribution of those survivors is even, meaning few suburbs have enough people to put even a single person inside each building.<br />
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All this said, the game is smaller now. Small groups of zombies can crack suburbs this lightly defended with ease. Survivors are spread thin trying to defend everything. Perhaps we should be looking at lower numbers constituting the danger levels? 25 zombie hordes and 75 zombie mega-hordes, perhaps? Either way, the numbers aren't really as useful as they once were, rarely coming into play in the updates. And, if they DO come into play, it's usually AFTER the suburb has already been wiped clean of humans. What updates might make this more useful? --[[User:BLusk|BLusk]] 14:22, 21 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Zombie Lord is working on something that moves the system away from population based reporting altogether. It's more of an infrastructure based reporting system that is along the lines of the EMRs we get. Population numbers are included but the danger of a burb is not based on it. I think he's still working out the details and so he hasn't posted anything here but you can see what he's working on at [[User:Zombie Lord/sandbox1]]. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 14:29, 21 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, thank you for the link. Anyone who wants to take all that to a more public page so it can be worked on by anyone who feels the urge, should feel free.-{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>19:02 23 February 2011(UTC)</tt><br />
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== Dead-vert!! ==<br />
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Ha! Whoever did that - nice deadvertisment! {{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} <sub>15:09, 13 May 2011</sub><br />
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== What happens next? ==<br />
i've noticed that slowly the entire city is falling. Everywhere i go the buildings are ruined and there are only zombies. what happens when the entire city is zombified or dead?[[User:Jrs3000|Jrs3000]] 18:07, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:it won't come to that, u may notice that search rates for faks and syringes, even in ruins, are supergood right now... {{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} <sub>18:12, 14 May 2011</sub><br />
holy shit almost the whole maps red no more greens and only 28% are humans i think malton is finelly falling to zombie hands lol go zeds! i wonder what would happen if all the humans died would kevin finelly end this xD and the best thing would be for the big bash to come around now...<br />
:28% is actually much better than it was a short time ago. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:18, 28 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== A side note ==<br />
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As you can see, pretty much nowhere is safe. Whenever you try to cade a building, you get killed somehow, so really, what is the point of playing as a survivor? you'll just keep getting killed every few days. So really the game is really favouring zombies. Survivors are being penalised. Seriously, I keep hearing stories that as soon as a building is caded, a rather large group of zombies coming from nowhere appears and kills everyone, how can you compete with that? But what if someone doesn't want to play as a zombie, they go to a revive point. Wait, idiots attack the zombies there too. So basically, survivors are screwed. Without survivors then this is not really much of a game. {{unsigned|LoneGuardian09|12:48, 30 May 2011 (BST)}}<br />
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well the game has to come to an end somtime i think that the zombies will end up ruling and the survivors or dying or just never log in again<br />
--[[User:Jose|Jose]] 16:50, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:Simple, humans do what they are known for, surviving. it will simply be as nomads hiding in darkened buildings. which is a well used tactic in dangerous suburbs, hiding in ruined, dark buildings is really easy to do--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 06:36, 4 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Jeez, it's like some kind of zombie apocalypse or something! I never signed up for that!! --[[User:Cman yall|Cman yall]] 21:02, 4 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Technically this is how the map should look. You have ot remember, human players for some reason seem to have a crippling hatred of eachother. --[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 23:39, 4 June 2011 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Mikalos209&diff=1900196User:Mikalos2092011-06-04T06:23:06Z<p>Mikalos209: </p>
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*Welcome to random propaganda I felt like posting.<br />
=="Problems" with the wiki/ect==<br />
*Much of the site is pro-survivor, mostly inadvertently, such as all non Greater Ridleybank suburbs and the general concept of the suburb danger levels.<br />
*The admins are agents of the antichrist >.><br />
*Kevan is biased towards zombies, per the fact he likes zombies at all.<br />
*The population of malton liked drinks.<br />
*This game and Wiki have a decidedly British POV problem.<br />
*Many users are communist agents <br />
*Many users are pro-zombie or pro-survivor.<br />
*The above statement may not be true<br />
*the military hates us<br />
*Malton is very dry besides random heavy fog and snow.<br />
*A lack of religious buildings dedicated to Kevanism<br />
*To much support of KEvanism<br />
*Odd number of churchs<br />
*the city is a friggin square.<br />
*there is no central building that could have operated as a government center</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Screw_the_Dead&diff=1900194Talk:Screw the Dead2011-06-04T06:21:15Z<p>Mikalos209: /* wait so */ new section</p>
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<div>Mass harman organisation? No wonder they voted [[User:Misanthropy|someone else]] mayor... {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 04:54, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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This would essentially be [[Escape]] all over again. Once the zombies reach a critical mass, which is somewhere around 100, there's very little the survivors can do against them. The Dead have more than enough for critical mass, so trying to hold out in conflict like you suggest is suicide, and this is coming from someone who has been in leadership positions with some of the biggest and best survivor and zombie groups currently in the game. Once you get to that size, zombies win. Period. Especially so since any survivors you round up will be less organized than The Dead, who have a Firefox extension available to them that helps them track where the brains are in the city.<br>Right now, smart survivors are having no trouble staying alive and finding revives, and there are entire suburbs that are nearly fully repaired if you know where to look. The trick is to know who to talk to and which groups are doing okay. If you're having trouble getting revives, move to a new suburb, put out feelers with other groups, and start sleeping in plain sight. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:24, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:Actually critical mass is roughly around 2000. 100 is almost inconsequential when it comes to sieges. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 08:06, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::In the old days, yes, 2000, but not since zombie interference was introduced. It's FAR less these days, and active survivors can only get you so far, as Blackmore 4(04) demonstrated (IP hits become a major issue). That said, my 100 number is just silly, and I blame it on being tired. Even so, Escape showed that 400 survivors against 100 organized zeds, all in the same block, results in a zed victory in about a day. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 08:53, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Meh, I don't know much about the blackmore raid but I do know 404's tactics fairly intimately. It's a meta-core strategy but has some issuses, like IP hits you mentioned because they're core meta is ''too'' small for it. In meta-coord heavy strategies your required cycle group size increases by a very large factor relative to your group. The factor of increase is dependant on the randomness and consistency of strikes and can be minimized based on your level of knowledge about the enemies activity and your group's use of standbys. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:46, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Actually, it could be easier to explain by what crit mass represents to each side. For zombies critical mass is enough ferals that any break in draws actives that increase the effectiveness of minor coordination. Generally this means at least 5-10 zombies per break in every break-in, at least that's the sign you're getting close. However, survivor crit mass stops that. Survivor crit mass is enough active survivors that any lowering of the cades is instantly repaired. It actually requires a smaller number of players to achive and varies based on the type of building greatly because of the second condition of a possible survivor crit mass(they bhav e two scenarios) which is a large enough resource advantage to nullify or reverse any break in through healing, needling, or gun and dump+cade. It's clearly the harder scenario to achive but in malls or hospitals it's actually easier than the zombie crit mass but, in malls it is harder when a corner falls because of how much that would reduce the average cost of Zombies to kill. The second method is more effective against strike teams, the first against ferals. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:56, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::I'd rather the Dead have to spend time and effort fetching me and my allies rather than all of us gathering their food for them.--[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 09:09, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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All survivors gathering in one place?<br />This can only end well [[File:Awesome.png|20px]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 09:22, 2 June 2011 (BST)</small><br />
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You go there, and while the dead are distracted, I'll repair my museum on the other side of the city and start collecting paintings.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 10:33, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:Sadly, you'd only get rid of one third of The Dead. They need to keep their 2+ other The Dead alts away, after all. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 12:42, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::This is true. Unlike you we discourage zerging and do as much as possible to force our various zombies into different sections of the map. Sort of like spreading the love except it's teeth and claws. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> [[Image:Crywig.gif]] 13:22, 2 June 2011 (BST) <br />
:::Unlike me, you actively ask all your members to join the same group and work towards the same goal. That they do so in different corners of the map doesn't make that less alt abuse than what [[Extinction Alliance]] and [[DEM]] pulled off years ago. As for zerging, I still await your submission of your so-called "evidence" to the Zerg Liste to get it reviewed by an independent third party. Alternatively, provide Soph finally with that ominous "script" that removes full stops from the game output for no apparent reason. Or as an even better alternative, Kate and Sykic could finally stop to weasel around the topic and admit that their screenies have been forgeries (and very poor ones at that). Everything else you might have to say on that topic will go down much better once that has happened. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 14:42, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Who the fuck is Kate? --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 15:59, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::::I still await you submitting that report or were you too fucking stupid to pick up upon the very very subtle hints?--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 16:06, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::Do you know who Kate is? --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 16:08, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::No one knows. Not even Spiderzed.--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 17:16, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::Mysterious Internet Woman Kate! I can see it being big in Japan. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 12:17, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Alt abuse, or zerging, as defined by almighty great lord and amazingly talented programmer Kevan says your characters can't act together. No attacking the same person, no healing or reviving each other, no nothing where they interact directly. Anything other than that is you adding your own morals onto it and fuck you and your morals because they don't mean shit. And seriously, who the fuck is Kate? --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> [[Image:Crywig.gif]] 16:29, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::The hilarious part is, if we split into separate group tags, we'd suddenly mysteriously no longer be zerging by his (stupid) definition. Despite literally nothing else changing. At all. Whatsoever. So really, what he's arguing against is group tags. Therefore, '''BAN GROUP TAGS'''. Also who the fuck is Kate? --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 17:02, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::: Actually, if I remember correctly, the DEM did that with the [[MFD]], the [[MPD]], and others. It didn't work for them. --{{User:Armpit_Odor/dnsig}} 21:34, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::but but but guys the .:~*shared command*~:.--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 17:16, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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==ALRIGHT, GUNS UP==<br />
LETS DO THIS! MAYYYYYYOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRR MCCHHHHHEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE!--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SA]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 11:05, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:[http://youtu.be/A8dMC6wZGRo THHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMASSSSSSSSSSSSSS] -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 12:25, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
== Yes please ==<br />
<br />
it has been most difficult to find targets these last few months, so I commend your attempt to provide [[Red Rum|us]] with some, my good man. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 11:33, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Yeah!==<br />
<br />
Lets all go and repair a suburb with no Necrotech facilities! Thats a fantastic plan! --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 12:40, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
== Proves one thing... ==<br />
<br />
After contacting only half of the active Survivor groups (and ONLY contacting pro-survivor elements) we have all kinds of zombies salivating (drooling really) at the prospect of this initiative. <br />
I have long suspected that most every Survivor group has been infiltrated by zombie elements - this all but proves it to me. <br />
<br />
I don't care who was voted mayor - I seek to lead out of necessity rather than political mandate. <br />
This is not simply the latest UD event; when we succeed this initiative will lead to new-found cooperation - a new Survivor philosophy for Malton. <br />
<br />
Unless all of you are cowards and remain content to play along with the status quo as your zombie alts. <br />
<br />
''"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite"'' - Joseph de Maistre (1811) <br />
<br />
[[User:Mayor MC Cheese|Mayor MC Cheese]] 12:47, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:''Every'' worthwhile survivor group is strongly "infiltrated by zombie elements". You need to have played a zombie to become a survivor player of any worth. Couldn't throw a dead cat without hitting a zombie player in 404, and so I couldn't in any other worthwhile survivor group. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 12:55, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::OMG Zombi SPAI!!1! --[[User:Kirsty_cotton/sandpit|Kirsty Cotton]] 12:59, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:''"(diff | hist) . . Talk:The Malton Globetrotters; 00:15 . . (+49) . . Mayor MC Cheese (Talk | contribs) (→Please read this asap: new section)"'' Might want to rethink your definition of the word pro-survivor chief. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> [[Image:Crywig.gif]] 13:22, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::Yo '''zombies''' how dare you read what I spammed on the public wiki (the logical conclusion: zombie conspiracy controls all harmanz) <br />
:: ''Je suis une baguette'' - Napoleon Bonaparte (1632 AD) --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 13:42, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::: P.S. Mayor McCheese, you are a special breed of retarded --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 13:43, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::: how [[User:Treviabot92|Special]] are we talking?--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>13:46, 2 June 2011 (bst)</small><br />
:It doesn't prove that at all. What it does prove is that you posted on high-profile talk pages '''that anyone can read''' and that you didn't know that The Malton Globetrotters are The Dead's PKing arm. Besides that, it shows that you're a fool, since only a fool would reject advice from and besmirch the very people who he asked for help. Clearly, you can't stay alive, because you are under the incorrect impression that we're all stuck playing as zombies too, but the truth is that I haven't been zombiefied for more than a few hours since The Dead first showed up, and the same goes for most survivors I know. It's simple for smart survivors to stay alive, and most of the smart groups I know are having no difficulty with revives or repairs...and we all seem to think that your idea is a bad one, which should tell you something. The only coward here is the one that tries to blame others for his failures, rather than looking inward. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 17:59, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::burn--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>15:41, 3 June 2011 (bst)</small><br />
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== The idea isn't ''Too'' bad... ==<br />
<br />
...but you're execution is all wrong. If your goal is simply to revivify as many survivors as possible and get the ratio of zombies down, gathering at one location in a sort of mega RP could work. People would die. A lot. But as long as they're ok with being killed repeatedly and can revivify 3 or so before being put back down/standing back up it would work. That was the idea behind [[Mrh?stock]], which I was going to put forward when the survivor ratio was super low and search rates were absurd. Kind of a protest to the search odds mechanic. Now that survivors are on the rise again and search rates are back to normal, I don't see the point.<br>It seems like what you're doing here is not not what I described, however. If you're looking to hold a siege against The Dead, you can expect to fail. A lot. Survivors ratio is climbing right now because they are hiding in plain sight, dirt napping, hibernating and whatnot. You can't honestly expect to have every survivor march to their doom against The Dead ''and'' survive. The survivor ratio would hit the floor again.<br>Good luck in finding enough lemmings to blindly follow you into the void. If you do end up getting a following, I suppose we'll get 1 syring per AP search rates again. Just don't expect me to waste them on the stupid herd Mrh'ing in and around Luckcraft Bank. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>15:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)</sub><br />
:What he said. While you're at it, Mr. McMayor, why not also start shooting zombies outside of buildings, stocking up on machine pistols and Japanese swords and repeatedly barricading yourself trapped into forts? It'd fit well with the kind of [[Trenchcoater|people]] that would actually follow this plan. --[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 00:47, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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==This idea is SO FUCKING AWESOME==<br />
that I'll take my Death Cultist out of retirement, load up on guns and needles, and turn pro-survivor again to help out.<br />
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<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sips cock loads beergun*--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SA]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 21:51, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Top 5 reasons I'm an idiot ==<br />
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1) ''"There's no NT in that suburb"'' (even though there are 5 of them all less than 10 blocks away)<br />
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2) ''"Somebody else is mayor"'' (the current mayor posts recipes - that's helpful!) <br />
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3) ''"You're a retard because the Globetrotters lie about being pro-survivor"'' (how's that work?)<br />
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4) ''"You have to have a zombie alt to understand this game"'' (doesn't rate a comment)<br />
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5) ''"The Dead are too strong / too many / too scary, etc..."'' (F#$@%ING CRYBABIES!!) <br />
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Those of you who have taken the time to comment here have demonstrated exactly why we find ourselves in the state that we are in. Survivors spend way too much time bickering and accusing each other of nonsense. <br />
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If there is anyone left who believes that unity of purpose will lead to success, then bring yourself, dead or alive, to the center of Malton and prove it. If every survivor fought as one, then success would be the only possible outcome...<br />
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'''TO EVERYONE ELSE: ''' <br />
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Kindly post your "better plan" right here or shut up already. Thank you. <br />
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[[User:Mayor MC Cheese|Mayor MC Cheese]] 03:32, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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:'''Better plan to deal with the fact that a zombie apocalypse game now has actual zombies''':<br />
#Log in.<br />
#Play as normal.<br />
#Log out.<br />
:{{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 03:36, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Better plan- take off your trenchcoat and fight a guerilla war the right way. You should know about that.<br />
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::As "bickering", I'm fairly sure everyone here is on the same page regarding your plan... you're the only dissenter. But hey, whatever works for you. --[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 04:44, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:F#$@%ING? Fuck%ing? Fark%ing? Feck%ing? Fsck%ing? Flacking? Flossing? ("do something better or you can't say bad things!" is for 5 year olds and shitty musicians hth) --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 07:46, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I'm going to regret this, but '''better plan''': contact each surivivor group individually and in private, most have a forum link on their wiki page. Find out what they are currently doing, find out what support they want and need. Recognise that different groups want different things from the game and that many believe that The Dead shaking things up is a good thing. Recognise that very few people who have been on the survivor side for any length of time play the game because they think they can "win" in some way, shape or form and that many value the sense of community, the meta-game or other things more than the basic game itself. Once you've done the legwork, know who your core allies are, what support they need and what they want from the game ''then'' form a plan they can all get behind. This will, almost certainly, involve widespread cading and reviving not a showy stand-off in a lone building. Agree on a chain of command; build an infrastructure for communication and coordination and then work to keep it up and running and to keep everyone talking to everyone else. Recognise this will be very time-consuming, frustrating and difficult and make sure you think it's worth your time and effort and the resulting grief. '''Don't''' assume that the survivor groups aren't already talking to each other and coordinating just because they aren't doing it in public and aren't doing what you, personally, think they should be. '''Don't''' put up a wiki page announcing your intentions where all the zombies can see it. '''Don't''' assume you can make a difference simply by shouting that everyone should do such-and-such and then sitting back to watch it happen. {{User:Louise/PCatSig}} 10:51, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::This. Too late now, though. --{{:User:Thanatologist/Sig}} 12:37, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::This, in a major way. Especially the part about not assuming that the survivors aren't already coordinating amongst themselves in private. It's rather insulting that he thinks we've been aware of The Dead for two months yet haven't coordinated in that time. If anything, most of the groups I know are coordinating far more than normal, but, for obvious reasons, they're not doing it on the wiki or in public forums. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:22, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::To be fair, thousands of survivors are still dead. Whatever co-ordination you guys have, and I'm not saying you don't have ''any'', but whatever you ''do'' have is quite lacking. At this point, it's mostly the inherent advantages that survivors have that's keeping the last three-and-a-half-thousand alive. That and the inherent apathy we get from the new recruits who play the game for a week, then say "this is the worst fucking game I've ever played" and quit. They do have a point, though. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 23:52, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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:A better plan? Ok. Off the top of my head. Loook at wiki updates, and survivor groups forums and establish a list of 4 or 5 survivor groups with active membership and on ongoing revive system even at the present time. Highlight specific areas they work in and look at how they overlap. Then either directly coordinate between these groups or seek to establish small areas (where a hospital, NT and factory are neighbouring each other) where repair costs are constantly kept low which can be used by these groups as a fallback and revive point when their main area is overrun. A suburb full of 1000 survivors is pointless and will attract one of the deads hordes in double quick time. A handful of buildings in several suburbs, much better, because then their will always be running NT's. <br />
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:Also. Don't set up in a bank. Once the cades are down and the gennies out, you can't dump zombies, let alone cade or revive effectively. --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 14:10, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::or defend yourself, heal or be of any use whatsoever--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>15:40, 3 June 2011 (bst)</small><br />
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:Regarding point #3, you do realize that, regardless of what their wiki page says, it didn't speak well for your knowledge of the current situation, and thus your ability to plan and respond effectively, when you asked the largest PKing group in the game for help, right? Especially so since they're a part of the very group that you're seeking to fight? That'd be like the Allies asking Italy and Japan for help while attacking Germany. It just shows that you don't know what's going on. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:22, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::Italy and Japan were allied with us in WWI and national interest changes on a dime. Making asking them a actually a '''better''' idea and more likely to have success than this guy asking the Globetrotters.--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 21:35, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Plus you know, we did ask France for help. This plan is like France. --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 21:38, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Too busy having one of the best track records for winning wars of any nation to give a fuck about zombie games? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:44, 4 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::My interpretation was that this plan is shit and will lead to genocide, much like France did.----<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 05:33, 4 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Mayor? ==<br />
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I thought the Mayor tag was just a stupid name, but you actually believe that you deserve the title because of this stupid plan. Here's why you're actually retarded, and not just your 5 strawmen:<br />
* Posting a ''secret'' plan on the public wiki and on The Dead's PKer group (yo! That was especially stupid!)<br />
* gathering all the survivors into a completely useless suburb (5 necrotechs nearby? Why the fuck don't you base in a NT building in a NT heavy suburb? Goddamn son, it's like you think PDs are actually important)<br />
* Complaining all the survivor groups are part of a zombie conspiracy (hint: most people have zombie alts, and the ones that don't are wierdy [[trenchcoaters]] like you)<br />
* Thinking the best way to fight [[The Dead]] is a straight-up fight with guns, rather than just abusing the NT search rates and mass reviving.<br />
* rejecting the advice of every single survivor and calling the resulting argument "the usual survivor clusterfuck". Hint: you're wrong.<br />
time to begin making up 5 more strawmen i guess --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 10:28, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:Bet you he would have put a gennie in the bank too.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 13:01, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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Guess what - It's not a secret plan! When did I claim it was? <br />
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Oh crap - Now I've let the cat out of the bag... <br />
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[[User:Mayor MC Cheese|Mayor MC Cheese]] 12:39, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Lol, the final retard defence. "I'm a puppetmaster". Here's where: when you got mad that the zombies had discovered it and decided the logical conclusion was they had all been infiltrated by spies:<br />
:{{quote|Mayor MC Cheese|This Proves It: After contacting only half of the active Survivor groups (and ONLY contacting pro-survivor elements) we have all kinds of zombies salivating (drooling really) at the prospect of this initiative. I have long suspected that most every Survivor group has been infiltrated by zombie elements - this all but proves it to me.}}<br />
:It's about [[Talk:Screw_the_Dead#Proves_one_thing...|half a page up]], my dear sir. Set retard levels to full ahead, captain! --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 14:07, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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==THIS BEST PLAN EVER==<br />
I go to Luckraft Bank right now and I care don't who knows! The Dead smelly! [[User:Mordred|Mordred]] 06:23, 4 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:Fantastic --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> [[Image:Crywig.gif]] 06:29, 4 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:Missing preposition needs adding.--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 06:30, 4 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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== wait so ==<br />
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why there? and not somewhere... atleast... not as dirty?--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 07:21, 4 June 2011 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suburb&diff=1900188Talk:Suburb2011-06-04T05:36:16Z<p>Mikalos209: /* A side note */</p>
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*'''[[Talk:Suburb/archive|Suburb Archive]]'''<br />
*'''[[Talk:Suburb/Archive|Suburb Archive 2]]'''<br />
*'''[[Talk:Suburb/Archive 3|Suburb Archive 3]]'''<br />
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=Reporting Guidelines=<br />
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==How to Update a Suburb Danger Report==<br />
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First find the report you wish to update, you can search for it by typing "User:DangerReport/''Suburb''" in the search box. You can also find it listed in this category, just scroll to the bottom of the page. The is also a link listed on each suburb's page in the template on the right. It can be found just below the 9-suburb map.<br />
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You then need to change the <tt>|Danger=</tt> variable to one of the possible statuses. You can briefly explain the reason for the change in the edit summary. Longer explanations are best left on the page of the suburb in question under the news section, or on the [[suburb]] page under the reports section.<br />
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===Example===<br />
:[[Example page|Example User]] wants to change the danger level of [[Hollomstown]] from '''moderately dangerous''' to '''safe''', since he has scouted that suburb and found almost no zombies outside, and no PKing activity was reported for some time.<br />
:[[Example page|Example User]] then goes to the [[Hollomstown]] page and follows this link: [[User:DangerReport/Hollomstown|Update Hollomstown's Danger Level]] which leads to the danger report page for Hollomstown.<br />
:Now he changes the danger variable from <tt>'''|Danger=moderately dangerous'''</tt> to <tt>'''|Danger=safe'''</tt><br />
:He can then note the change on the [[Hollomstown#Recent News|Hollomstown]] page in the news section. Or add a report on the [[Suburb#Reports|Suburb]] page.<br />
:{{Code|May 10th - No zombie or pking activity in this suburb. This suburb is now safe. --[[Example page|Example User]] 16:25, 13 August 2006 (BST)}} <br />
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If a suburb is deemed noteworthy, change <tt>|Notority=normal</tt> to <tt>|Notority=notable</tt> and this will bold the suburb's name on map output.<br />
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=Reporting discussion=<br />
==A disputed report==<br />
<small>Moved from the main page</small><br />
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'''[[Lukinswood]]''' almost half the buildings are under zed control it should be dangerous --[[User:Zombieman 11|Zombieman 11]] 19:25, 22 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:This report was completely fabricated. The suburb was no more ruined the day of the report than Zombieman 11 is a saint. This section is bullocks. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 04:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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i know it wasnt ruined but from a short scout alot of trp were zed homes not ruined yet--[[User:Zombieman 11|Zombieman 11]] 21:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Lukinswood doesn't have "alot" of TRPs. The few that it has were not recently broken into, either. Unless you are referring to [[The Coram Building]] (not technically a TRP) which has been subject to repeated zerg rushes for the last eight or nine months. Stop misleading people. In fact, stop using the Suburb page to post reports. It's retarded to keep posting reports there. Use the news section of the respective suburb pages or just update the damn danger level. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 01:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
I'm moving this here since the report is clearly disputed and apparently with good reason. There's no sense in confusing people. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:52, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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=Danger colors discussion=<br />
{{MA|Talk:Suburb/Color System Discussion|Suburb/Color System Discussion}}<br />
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=Noteworthy Suburbs=<br />
==Simple Guidelines for Noteworthiness==<br />
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For a suburb to be able to be called ''Noteworthy'', important events on the history of Malton must have happened on it. The place where hordes were born, important sieges, or events that gained attention from the entire community.<br />
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*'''An important and unique event must have happened in the suburb'''<br />
:Events like [[Stanstock]], the [[First Siege of Caiger Mall|first]] and [[Second Siege of Caiger Mall|second]] sieges of [[Caiger Mall]] are nice examples of unique events that marked history. The first united the entire urban dead community, and the second and third were HUGE sieges where survivor-kind won against the hordes. Events like the [[Mall Tour]] and the [[Big Bash]], on the other hand, doesn't make a suburb noteworthy, as several burbs took part of this event.<br />
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*'''An important and/or historical group was formed in that suburb'''<br />
:When a group manages to draw the attention of the entire community or influence the gameplay centers his actions around a burb of birth, that suburb can be called noteworthy. Examples of this are [[Ridleybank]] and [[Yagoton]]. The first is the infamous homeland of zombie-kind, homeland of the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]], while the second is the home of the [[Yagoton Revivification Clinic]], the first and most famous group dedicated to revivification.<br />
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*'''A unique and noteworthy building exists in this suburb'''<br />
:This usually doesn't make a suburb noteworthy at all, unless important events on the history of Malton happened there. Resiting two huge sieges inside [[Caiger Mall]] make that unique building noteworthy, while having the only Zoo in the city isn't noteworthy as nothing important of note happened there.<br />
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Note that merely fitting in any of these categories doesn't automatically make a suburb noteworthy. It still needs the approval of the community. Nominate and discuss a suburb in the below header.<br />
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==Nominations==<br />
I'd like to nominate Lukinswood for notable suburb status, due to it now containing the Emergency Brodcast system.<br />
--[[User:Tyl110|Tyl110]] 07:22, 29 August 2009 (BST)<br />
:Quoting the above criteria:<br />
::"A unique and noteworthy building exists in this suburb. This usually doesn't make a suburb noteworthy at all, ''unless important events on the history of Malton happened there''."<br />
:While I can see the broadcast station drawing some sort of major event in the future, it's yet to host anything particularily noteworthy. As much as I'd like to see it get recognition, I'm not sure it warrants any (yet).--{{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 07:31, 29 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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I don't think anything is noteworthy other than Greater Ridleybank and the two suburbs with gatehouses, but Owsleybank is now more notable than Yagoton, Eastonwood, Pitneybank, or Shearbank, and thus meets the community standard, if not my own. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 05:18, 25 May 2010 (BST)<br />
:Pitneybank has a gatehouse ({{Tongue}}), but I'd think we need to wait and see. Owsleybank is a place where something big ''could'' happen. Right now though, I wouldn't say that anything worthy of a historical note on the map has happened yet. Hundreds of people gather every day in Creedy and/or Giddings, but thta's an everyday occurrence. Just because it happens in a different location than usual doesn't make it special, in and of itself. For now, I'm definitely of the "wait and see" mind. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:18, 25 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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I'd like to nominate Owlseybank. As the location of the (failed) [[ESCAPE]] attempt, it certainly deserves some notice. Stanbury Village was given special notice for being the site of the Strike, in addition for being part of the territory of the RRF and all that. Unique event: ESCAPE, although not successful, was definitely this. Important/Historical Group: although it failed in its bid for the title of "historical," it was one of the largest survivor groups that Malton has seen for some time. In fact, it was stronger than the Dual Nature movement, the RRF, Feral Undead, and most of the other "important" groups out there. (Although it did get crushed, for a number of reasons.) Noteworthy building: the only attempt to get out of Malton was made in the railway station. I'd say that makes it noteworthy.--[[User:Sam 2334|Sam 2334]] 22:01, 14 October 2010 (BST)<br />
:I'd disagree. On Strike resulted in literal game changes happening. ESCAPE? Not so much. Can you point to anything that has changed in terms of general thought or actual gameplay in the months since ESCAPE? Also, you conflate strength and size. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:17, 14 October 2010 (BST)<br />
:In hindsight, Escape didn't make Owsleybank all that important. It's still just another suburb, even if there was a big event once upon a time. I'm not saying it shouldn't be remembered, but that the way to do it is by finishing up [[Escape (event)|this]] page and nominating it as a historical event already. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 06:27, 15 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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The three qualifications for noteworthy suburb are satisfied by [[Rotwood|Roftwood]]. Through the existence of [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Open_Air historical events] and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/The_Apocalypse_Horde historical groups], it must be acknowledged that the suburb has had an effect on the community of [[Malton]]. For a more in depth report on a series of lectures hosted in a notable building, please visit the links provided at [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Quartly_Lecture_Group the Quartly Lecture Group].<br />
--[[User:Sir Fred of Etruria|Sir Fred of Etruria]] 02:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Ehh...I don't know. I wasn't around during Open Air, so I don't know how important it was to the community as a whole. Seems like it may have been historical, but perhaps only of significance to the locals, given that it was a local event that was intentionally avoiding attention (when it finally got attention, it fell apart, after all). And the horde you mentioned seems to have finished in Roftwood, but I don't see any ties to Roftwood like we do with Ridleybank and the RRF or Eastonwood and the Eastonwood Ferals. The QSG are definitely noteworthy (one of my favorite groups that I'm not in, in fact), but when you compare it against the other noteworthy suburbs, I just don't see Roftwood standing beside them as a peer. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:43, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hmm. Lets have [[Kempsterbank]] as well. [[SFHNAS]] have outlived the EF and Extinction. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Dunell Hills===<br />
I would like to nominate [[Dunell Hills]]. With only 1 Necrotech building it is a place of hard fights between The Dead and DHPD. I also think the recent events (1400+ The Dead members) will make the history of this suburb even more interesting. [[User:Jelito2008|Jelito2008]] 15:27, 15 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:Dunell Hills and the [[DMZ]] have been a fucking deathtrap for years now thanks to [[The Dead]], even with the attention of one of the game's largest and oldest survivor groups and various others. And there have been a '''lot''' of attempts at retaking it. I'd say that with this in addition to its other history that it's definitely worthy of being marked notable. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 22:15, 15 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::Having myself once tried to reclaim that suburb, I concur. Even at their downtime with membership in the lower double digits, The Dead made it hard to make lasting progress (and it has been tried and tried). --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 22:19, 15 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Seems fair --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 22:51, 15 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::yep <small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking &nbsp;&nbsp; </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> &nbsp;&nbsp; [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] &nbsp;&nbsp;23:38 15 April 2011 (UTC) </small><br />
:::::Where would we vote on Dunell Hills? --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 15:50, 3 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::Generally you don't. It seems pretty well accepted that the occupation of the Dead for a number of years has made Dunell Hills noteworthy as one of the deadliest places in Malton. Updating. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:21, 3 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::Looks good, cheers karek! --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:15, 3 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::I fixed it up a little. "Visit with caution" is a warning that is only applicable to survivors, after all, since zombies have free reign in the suburb last I checked. Also it's not the "home" of the Dead, it's merely where we came into being. The whole city is our playground. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 11:34, 4 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::k, what ever works. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:43, 4 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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=General Discussion=<br />
==Special formatting on group listings==<br />
During the Great Suburb Group Massacre, I've noticed some groups using the code for big text (<nowiki><big></big></nowiki>) and bolding (<nowiki><b></b> or ''' '''</nowiki>.) I know that code has been historically used for alliances, but does anyone object to me removing that code when it's individual groups that are using it? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:There's no reason for ''any'' groups to be using additional markup to give themselves undue prominence. The bold/big combo was just used to show the name of organisations with their member groups underneath. It's there to to help people navigate, nothing more. The recommended guidelines are [[Template:SuburbGroups|well documented]] on the template page. All group listings should conform accordingly. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 17:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Updating the DangerMap System==<br />
This is probably the most updated system of any we have. It's not the easiest to update though and could also do with some other minor tweaks. So here's a few suggestions I'd like some discussion/agreement on before changes are made. Each of these points is independent of the others.<br />
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1. '''Change the code on all 100 suburb danger reports to <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:The_Rooster/Sandpit/2&oldid=1407943 this]</span>.'''<br>This is intended to:<br />
*Make it easier for users to update the map correctly by providing the options, with a legend and an example on page so they can tell what the change is as soon as the page saves. This also makes errors dead easy to spot.<br />
*Prevent confusion when using the special/map variations by making it an option the average user will not need to edit.<br />
*Provide flexibility for other pieces of coding by allowing the techie types to call their own formatting templates.<br />
*Make it easier to provide instructions by adding it in a template.<br />
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Other notes:<br />
*The current map templates would be renamed to something more explanatory, since the user needs no longer know the name.<br>Proposed: "DangerMap''NotorietyStatus''" where Notoriety would either be 'normal' or 'notable' and Status would be the status.<br />
*After a quick inclusion limit test, I found this code would not endanger any existing templates and force them over the limit. The pre-expand include size, the important one, was unchanged between the current template and the code above. Post-expand and template arguments went up, but these are not factors towards the limit.<br />
*Note: The link on the test page, "2", will link to the suburb when actually used, and not a red page.<br />
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2. '''Change the available status text to one form of English. EG: 'safe' 'moderately dangerous' 'dangerous' 'very dangerous' and 'abandoned'/'a ghost town' '''<br />
*To allow text based status to be shown, such as in tooltips, without odd English. 'Havercroft is safe' works now, 'Havercroft is moderate' does not.<br />
*For the sake of being uniform.<br />
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3. '''Change the [[User:DangerReport/Border|suburb border]] colour and unify it with the [[Template:Border|block border]] colour'''<br>Proposed: A darker shade of grey for the cell border and fill. Not as dark as the block one, somewhere in-between probably.<br />
*This makes it easy to distinguish from the ghost town colour at a glance.<br />
*Making the colours the same is a sensible thing to do.<br />
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{{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 19:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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All good. But do we need a separate danger report for notorious suburbs? Really? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:You mean you want to get rid of the 'special' status that gives bold text for such suburbs? That's another discussion. Anyway I'm going to go ahead and implement No.3 since it's not particularly major and easy to revert. 1 and 2 will happen in a few more days in some discussion doesn't show up between now and then. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 12:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
Can you explain to me in practical terms how this will be easier to use than the original? I still don't get it. Regardless, I am for a change in this system, and if you want I'll help change the templates for you. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 13:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:You get to see the output as soon as you save, so spotting a wrong status or total muck up is easy. The legend gives you a list of available statuses and their meanings on site so you don't have to trawl around to check what they are (Great for the new guys). If the available statuses change or definitions are adjusted, they can be propagated by template in one edit rather than 100. That's about it for the updating user, but the coding bunch can make the template work for them even more. Right now you're stuck to just using the table info the template gives, the new one can allow you to actually use the status to work for you allowing you to reference images or other pages or output text strings or all sorts without resorting to switch hackery which inflates the template cost of the system needlessly and also breaks if anybody changes the colour definitions, even just a little. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 13:33, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Right well, it's been done. I'm still darting about the wiki updating documentation and keeping an eye out for broken maps. Seems to have gone smoothly for the most part. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 16:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Other Maps==<br />
Needs to me morphed into a template. It shouldn't have been added in that manner in the first place and compromises the readability of the page. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 08:00, 2 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Map Errors==<br />
Anyone else noticed how inaccurate the maps are becoming since they started basing them on EMR reports instead of eyewitnesses? EMR is a poor indicator of danger level. I think the overall accuracy level has gone down, although at least they all get updated regularly ... even if it is with bad info. -- [[User:Grogh|Grogh]] 02:49, 11 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:The EMR system is the best we've got for suburbs like [[Miltown]] and [[Greentown]] were there are very few eyewitnesses around that update the wiki. Sure, it's not perfect, but unlike eyewitnesses, it's completely neutral.<br />
:By the way, if you've got information, stop complaining and go ahead and update it <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:19, 11 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:No one said you can't edit a map based on eyewitness reports, unless it was while I was away. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:06, 11 May 2009 (BST)<br />
::I agree a scout (particularly of the detail NecroWatch provides) will always outdo an EMR, there's just not the detail in the EMR, but they make a good general indicator for keeping the maps recent. Recent, if patchy, data is always preferable to outdated information. The only way 'accuracy' of the levels could degrade was if people were using the EMRs as a definitive yardstick despite recent news suggesting otherwise. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 16:43, 22 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Report cycling ==<br />
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Why a month? I don't think we would miss much if we changed it to 2 weeks. Not only is this underused as a source of information when compared to individual suburb pages, but most news would be out of date within a week or so anyway. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 13:40, 16 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:Would anyone like to discuss this? If not, 2 weeks from now, I'll change it to 2 weeks. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 08:15, 18 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:Silence implies consent, in most cases. I don't have a problem with it. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 08:23, 18 May 2009 (BST)<br />
::Silence implies no one was alerted, it's being readded and going to see use. If you see something not getting activity step one is to actually encourage activitiy and this page and it's news played a major role in the game's community when it actually saw use. It's the easy access high visibility way to get the pulse of the game. You're both fail for not having really discussed this at all >_>.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:21, 21 July 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Get off ma wikiz! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:27, 21 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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==is there a reason why...==<br />
the south doesn't seem to get as much action as the northern suburbs? Im just curious, cause all the major battles all happened in the upper half of the map. --[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:14, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Geographic tenancies. Predicting zombie movement and survivor resistance is an art. ''Most'' people, including myself, agree that the South is more survivor friendly. But the reason is anyone's guess. Let's look at the [[Mall Status Map|layout of malls]], shall we? You may notice that they group together. Treweeke stands alone, it would be difficult to repair, due to it's distance from other malls, and thus leaves the extreme NE vulnerable. The majority of the Malls form a diagonal vein from the NW to SE corners. This includes the so-called [[Survivor Security Zone]], and the 5 mall loop that includes Caiger. While this would logically mean safety, Malls attract the extremes of the local situation; They're the first building ruined and the first repaired. So the massive dead-zone around Greater Ridleybank spreads though these, with feral ripples hitting even the farthest of the collection. The easiest to defend mall clusters are Marven-Tompson and Pole-Buckley. They're well out of the way of the zombie homeland, invulnerable from feral ripples from a few malls over, and two must be toppled before the complex can fall. Thus the SW and mid-south are easiest to maintain a steady supply to, making them safest for living. However, there are many things which I have not considered; The reputation of an area (it's funner to ruin Caiger than Buckley), local groups (pro-life groups in the South seem to last longer and hold better relations), and local survivor intelligence (or lack thereof) also have an effect. No one can ever fully understand the beautiful display of the danger maps over time, but I encourage you to try. <small><small><small><small>Unless you're pro-life, in which case I'd prefer you die.</small></small></small></small> --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 04:38, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I love being able to legitimately plug my own video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQLY1Xxktcg]! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 05:30, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Group in notorious suburb info==<br />
why is the kilt store mentioned on this page? what the hell have they done to warrant any special attention?----[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">sexualharrison</span>]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 22:38, 18 October 2010 (BST)<br />
:+1 --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 23:05, 18 October 2010 (BST)<br />
::Good call. Removed. If they get into Cat:HG later then they might consider adding themselves back at that time. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:11, 18 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Suggesting change in danger level==<br />
Can we put in a rule for the suburb reports that they shouldn't suggest changes to the danger level and should instead just do it themselves? We can easily provide a link to the instructions for changing it at the top of this page, but the fact that almost every report that comes in says, "Suggest change to X danger level" is ludicrous. Just change it, people! Don't suggest it! {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:57, 22 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Why is that section even there? {{User:Vapor/sig}} 21:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::That's an even better question than what I had. Since we have reports on every single suburb page, it seems like these are all redundant. About the only good use I could think of for it would be to post the locations of the hordes as they move around, but the hordes all post their locations in other ways, so this section is essentially useless. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:07, 22 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I agree, its useless. Just doing a precursory search of the history for that section, it's just like you said; it is only used by people to suggest changing such and such suburb to such and such danger level. It doesn't appear that those suggestion are ever taken to heart, either. Reports are rarely updated based on news in this section from what I can tell. Hell, suburb news is rarely even updated with this info from this section. I say eliminate the section, or replace the rules with instructions for updating Danger levels. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 22:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Sounds good. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:41, 22 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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While we're on the subject of changes to this section of the Suburb page, would anyone be opposed to the idea of placing links to the suburb danger level pages instead of just instructions on how to update them. The links could be stealthexternal so that it goes directly to the edit page for each suburb's danger update page (for example <span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:User:DangerReport/Eastonwood|action=edit}} Eastonwood]</span>). I'm thinking a table of ten by ten alphabetically listed suburb names. This would make it so much easier than clicking on the suburb name, then clicking on the update danger level link, then clicking edit{{User:Vapor/sig}} 07:27, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Here is what I had in mind<br />
{{User:Vapor/sandbox/sandbox15}}<br />
:The thought also occurred to me to format it like so:<br />
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{{User:Vapor/sandbox/sandbox16}}<br />
:So that you get suburb link, edit link to danger report and link to suburb news. Thoughts? {{User:Vapor/sig}} 15:39, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I like it. Seems a bit clunky, but I can't think of anything better off the top of my head. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::What if we put tiny letter-links, like Wikipedia does on it's navigation templates, right on the dangermap? Like so: [[Wyke Hills]]<sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:User:DangerReport/Wray Heights|action=edit}} u] [[Wyke Hills#Recent_News|n]]</span></sup> --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 02:56, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Personally, I'd prefer that, but this is for wikinewbs, keep in mind. They'd have no clue about it and would just ignore them. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:56, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::What about links below the burb name, like this? Maybe even adding BIC (using the new BIC pages of course).<br />
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*[[Wykewood]]<br> <sup>[[Building Information Center/Wykewood|BIC]] - [[Wykewood#Recent_News|news]] - <span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:User:DangerReport/Wykewood|action=edit}} danger] </span></sup><br />
*[[Yagoton]]<br> <sup>[[Building Information Center/Yagoton|BIC]] - [[Yagoton#Recent_News|news]] - <span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:User:DangerReport/Yagoton|action=edit}} danger]</span></sup><br />
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:::::{{User:Vapor/sig}} 22:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::I had actually been considering something like that as a compromise (I assume we're talking about putting it on the map, right?), but it seems like it's then too much to add to the map. The problem is, I wouldn't cut any of those three, since they're all useful to have links to. It might be worth mocking up to see how it looks though. It'd certainly be more utilitarian, and it wouldn't eat up half the page with additional links. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:56, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I wasn't considering putting them on the map, though I know its been suggested and I could see the benefit from it. What I'm suggesting is that this goes in the section currently labeled Danger Reports along with some sort of preamble or instructions for updating news and danger. As far as mocking up, I am traveling at the moment and just realized I don't have Excel on my new laptop. Unless someone else wants to take over for now, it'll have to wait until after the new year. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 23:41, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::So it'd be a slight redo of the thing you posted? I see that as better than what we have, but not ideal still. It'd be best if we could work it into the map, but doing that in a sensible way is what's difficult. Maybe we can defer this until after New Year, since I'm guessing others might want to chime in but aren't because of the holidays. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 01:47, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I went ahead and mocked something up. Personally I think it looks a bit cluttered but I can see it as something I could get used to since it's so much more user-friendly. At the very least, I'd like to have it added to the list of maps at the bottom of the Suburb page.<br />
{{User:Vapor/sandbox/sandbox14}}<br />
Do we need an Open Discussion to get more opinions about the proposed change?<br />
{{User:Vapor/sig}} 05:31, 28 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I rather like it and would likely bookmark it instead of the danger report, but I suspect others may not, and your suggestion of merely linking it might not be a bad idea. Personally, I'm inclined to say "no" on the Open Discussion, since any stakeholder of this page should already be watching it or checking RC, and Open Discussions just slows decisions and invites delays and poor critiques from uninvolved/uninformed individuals, but that's just me (can you tell I'm not a big fan of Open Discussion for design changes and decisions that should be handled by knowledgeable people with a vested interest?). Also, it looks like all of the bolded suburbs (the noteworthy ones) line wrap with those words. Not a problem, but just pointing it out. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:36, 28 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I like this map.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 13:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Alright, I fixed the bolded links, templatespaced the map and added it to the list of "Other Maps". So that just leaves the original question: what to do about the section labeled "Danger Levels" on the Suburb page? {{User:Vapor/sig}} 17:31, 28 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::It's time to get rid of it, I think (and it's "Suburb Danger Report", incidentally). {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:22, 3 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== NPOV Suburb Levels ==<br />
<br />
Since we're on this NPOV kick with the SuburbGroups template, we may as well tackle the notoriously biased Danger Reports. These reports go from "Safe" to "Very Dangerous". Now lets see..."safe" for who? Pro-Survivors of course! Probably not so "safe" for zombies though, not unless they want to get headshot every day and somehow consider that "safe". Now "very dangerous" for who? You get the idea. So in the spirit of "NPOV" how about we go on a new scale:<br />
<br />
{| style="background:PapayaWhip; border:solid 2px Moccasin; border-spacing:7px"<br />
|- style="font-weight:bold"<br />
| Cell || Level || Description <br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#CFC;border:solid 2px #0E0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" | <br />
| Survivor Controlled<br />
| Zombie break-ins rare, Survivors hold practically the entire suburb.<br />
|-<br />
| style="background:#CF9;border:solid 2px #9C0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Survivor Advantaged <br />
| Daily Zombie break-ins, but Survivors hold most buildings.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#FFC;border:solid 2px #ED0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Contested<br />
| Many buildings ruined, ransacked or inhabited by Zombies but Survivors hold a significant area of control.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#FD9;border:solid 2px #EA0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Zombie Advantaged<br />
| Zombies inside most resource buildings, with small pockets of Survivor holdouts.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#F99;border:solid 2px #E00;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Zombie Controlled<br />
| Most buildings wide open or Zombie inhabited, Survivors hold little to no ground.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#EEE;border:solid 2px #CCC;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| A Ghost Town<br />
| At least 2/3rds of the suburb's buildings empty of Survivors or Zombies.<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>15:47 13 February 2011(UTC)</tt><br />
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:I second this, and third it. I've wanted to see something like this implemented for a long time, and this seems the best exeuction of it. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:08, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:It's more precise as well. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:15, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Ghost town needs rewording slightly, to explained the ruinous nature. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:19, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Looks good.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 19:23, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I'm not too keen on the exact wording (it seems a little clunky to me) but I'd say something like this can work. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 19:34, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I think the green for Survivor Controlled and Survivor Advantaged are too similar. And I'm not too keen on creating more sublevels when there is already a lot of confusion between yellow and orange - I'd rather leave it at Survivor Advantage/Contested/Zombie Advantage using the three traffic light colours, with Ghost Town as odd man out in grey. Other than that, I agree that the system has to become more NPOV. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 19:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::As a firm believer in localised zombie groups, I quite like survivor advantaged. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::How about percentages? Just for example - '''Survivor Controlled''': 90% harman, '''Survivor Advantaged''': 65% harman, '''Contested''': 50%, and vice versa. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:52, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::God thats terrible. 90% of what? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:56, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Survivor controlled versus zombie controlled? Or keep with numbers like what we have now e.g. 50+ zombies, or 50+ survivors. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::::How are you defining survivor controlled? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:03, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::By numbers of survivor versus number of zombies. When that reaches close to 50%, it's contested, and when it reaches one extreme or another its controlled or advantaged or whatever. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 20:04, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Hmm. Kind of makes it hard to update the wiki if you're a zombie. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:08, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Or buildings ruined or buildings open. It's always going to be harder if you're a zombie because zombies can't freerun. Defining the suburb levels is little vague with what has been proposed.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 20:11, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:As Spider, I'd go with a different color than using two greens. Maybe a <span style="display: inline-block; background: #bdf; border: #35f solid 2px;">background of #bdf with a border of #3df</span> (it looks better when used in his table above than it does right here), with the shade of green we're currently using getting bumped to the second level instead of being the first one?<br />
<br />
:As for the names and the wording, the idea is sound, but it needs a little tweaking, I'd suggest that the definitions be along the lines of intact and lit, mostly intact with sparse ruins, pockets of ruins and frequent break-ins, mostly ruined with sparse repairs, entirely ruined, and then ghost town. I think that by pairing pockets of ruins with break-ins and not mentioning break-ins until that far down, we'll avoid some controversy that I've seen in the past, where zombies want to move things to the current yellow level because they break into 1-2 buildings each day, even though they are getting repelled and their work is undone on a daily basis. Also, mentioning break-ins there and not earlier gives hordes an obvious level that they can set a suburb to when they first move in, that way others can see that something is happening in the suburb, even if it's not wrecked yet. Also, I wouldn't use the term "Contested", since you can bet that as soon as some asshat moves into a suburb to fight the incumbents (this applies both ways, incidentally), they will say that it is contested, even if they're making no noticeable impact on the suburb. And we can't touch Ghost Town, since, as I recall, it is dictated by policy or something.<br />
<br />
:Finally, someone needs to ping Rooster on this if he hasn't been pinged already. We'll need to get his input on the technical side of things, since this sort of change will require, at a bare minimum, changes to around 105 templates that I can think of off the top of my head, and potentially many more that I don't recall immediately. He would know better, but some of the templates actually depend on having the current names for the danger levels being used, so if you were to change the wording of the level names, you'd have to move or create additional templates as well. Plus, these changes would break at least one of his bots too. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:13, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I demand these changes be implemented immediately without consulting Rooster for the sole pupose of seeing how much chaos his bots cause!--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:42, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I can see about test boarding some of the ideas to see if they work. As for implementation, who needs ab ot when you have a Ctrl, c, and v button? {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 23:16, 13 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
I agree that its about damn time this is implemented. Blue instead of green would be nice. As Aichon, maybe keep it more break-in oriented instead of zombie/survivor controlled oriented (although that may be difficult for people to grasp at first since it is diametrically opposed to the current system). Am I the only one that thinks "Advantaged" is an ugly word? Its proper, but just looks and sounds awful in my opinion. I think just "Advantage" conveys the same meaning and isn't as grating. Maybe I'm just being a grammarphile. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 06:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Less break-in oriented, and more ruin/repair oriented, actually, since it's quantifiable. The mention of break-ins with the current system is actually a source of controversy, as I mentioned. I seem to recall arguing about it with zeug a year or two back when he and I almost got into an edit war over Judgewood. And people already think in terms of ruins now, but there are so many numbers and ambiguous terms in the definitions that people can shift things around pretty willy nilly. Making it solely or mostly based on ruins and less on zed vs. survivor numbers just seems like it's less open to problems. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::The Acid Test for any suburb danger system is [[Kempsterbank]]. I look forward to your proposals. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Since its such a subjective thing we're trying to categorize, there will always be controversy / drama, but I like Aichon's idea for minimizing it. Also agree with Vapor on Advantage vs. Advantaged. I think I would like to see: Survivor Control, Survivor Advantage, Stalemate, Zombie Advantage, Zombie Control, Ghost Town. --[[User:Zarneverfike|Zarneverfike]] 05:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I actually started out with those in mind (except Stalemate) but changed it because of the way people generally talk about Suburbs, as in: "This Suburb is Very Dangerous". "This Suburb is Survivor Advantage" sounded clumsy to me so I changed them a bit to reflect how the terms would probably most often be used when describing a Suburb.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>15:13 16 February 2011(UTC)</tt><br />
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{| style="background:PapayaWhip; border:solid 2px Moccasin; border-spacing:7px"<br />
|- style="font-weight:bold"<br />
| Cell || Level || Description <br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#09F;border:solid 2px #00C;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" | <br />
| Survivor Fortress<br />
| At least 90% of buildings are Repaired.<br />
|-<br />
| style="background:#6CF;border:solid 2px #69F;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Survivor Stronghold<br />
| At least 70% of buildings are Repaired.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#CCF;border:solid 2px #C9F;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Battleground<br />
| Ratio of Ruined/Ransacked buildings to Repaired buildings is 69% / 29% either way.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#F99;border:solid 2px #F66;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Zombie Ruin<br />
| At least 70% of buildings are Ruined/Ransacked.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#F66;border:solid 2px #C00;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Zombie Wasteland<br />
| At least 90% of buildings are Ruined/Ransacked.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#EEE;border:solid 2px #CCC;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| A Ghost Town<br />
| At least 2/3rds of the suburb's buildings empty of Survivors or Zombies.<br />
|}<br />
<br />
More Ruin/Repair based. I didn't mess around with Ghost Towns. Maybe someone has some better ideas on that one.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>14:50 16 February 2011(UTC)</tt><br />
:Question: What if 70% or 90% of the buildings are ruined/ransacked, but at least 2/3rds of the suburb buildings are empty of survivors or zombies? Which level would it be? It would be meet both criteria. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I imagine Ghost Town takes precedence. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:33, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Why change the names to POV/rhetoric strangeness? I liked the wording further above. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 00:42, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::With the shift of focus to Ruins/Repairs I just thought these names reflected that better. It's not POV in any way that Safe/Dangerous is. Instead of subjectively judging whether a burb is "safe" or "dangerous" its objectively judging the state of its infrastructure. Seems pretty NPOV to me. But whatever, either way works for me.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>01:03 17 February 2011(UTC)</tt><br />
:::::As much as this change is needed, and I like this latest version as a gauge between zombies/pro-survivors, this danger level still ignores PKer threats. Add something (like black stripes, or some such) that can be added to any of the existing colors signifying a very significant PKer presence. Given that PKer attacks have [[PKA/Rolt_Heights|emptied entire suburbs]] in the past, this might even be relevant for Ghost Towns. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 01:12, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::Fair enough, I just don't like the "stronghold" and "fortress" stuff, it seems a little trenchie. Some may say the example higher up is sterile, but IMO it's a better option. If worst comes to worst, either do what you think (since you're doing the work) or just have a vote, either way's good. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 01:33, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Append "PK" to each status and let that replace the border with a black one instead, to signify mass PKing or an organised PKer event like Silent Night, etc. Also, I think "Survivor held", "Contested" and "Zombie held" would work best, though in a five-tier system there obviously needs to be another term too. "Controlled" for the stronger level, and "held" for the weaker level? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:36, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::: I foresee a "PK" status indicator being very problematic. Its like trying to count survivors vs. zombies in a suburb, but even worse because PKers can be completely anonymous. Also, whether there is a big Pk event, or just a small group of PKers moving into an area, the PK status will be changed, thus negating its usefulness. Further, most PK attacks and events are concentrated in malls, forts, etc. While those attacks would effect the safety of the particular large buildings, they wouldn't necessarily mean the the whole suburb was subject to PK attacks. --[[User:Zarneverfike|Zarneverfike]] 02:09, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::: I was really taken with Aichon's Ruin/Repair focus, since its easy for both Zombies and Survivors to judge, rather than the population thing. So it's hard to work PKers into that. Not that I don't sympathize. Have to think on it. Survivor Held/Controlled(Dominated?) could work but that leans us back into more of a population thing. We could just drop all reference to Survivors/Zombies and name them after the Infrastructure entirely. Get rid of Fortress/Stronghold (that's pretty population focused too) and go with descriptions of the buildings status. Intact, Dilapidated, Devastated, etc. In that case Ghost Town could probably be dropped all together. Of course this all could lead to some wildly complicated things like multiple maps, one for infrastructure, another for population, etc.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>12:53 17 February 2011(UTC)</tt> <br />
::::::::This really. Building status rather than "control" is more NPOV, and less prone to edit wars probably. Otherwise, you will get haggling back on and forth as "Survivor Fortress"" and "Zombie Wasteland" are loaded terms. I would shy away from "Zombie" or "Survivor" based names as well.-[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 17:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Agreed. I like ZL's suggestions and would work off of those ideas. Maybe something like Unscathed, Mostly Intact, Damaged, Mostly Ruined, Destroyed. As long as we quantify those, it should take most of the opinion out of things and leave it mostly up to scouting and observation in-game. Getting them to correspond to specific EMR would be nice as well, that way bots and folks that are distant can do something useful with the information. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:40, 19 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
If you want a truly neutral way to classify the danger in a suburb, you should base them off the info supplied in [[External Military Report Page|external military reports]]. They arn't really done often enough to give a day by day account, but at least you will have the occasional report for each suburb to give an accurate, and undeniable snapshot. Others can fight about percentages in between the EMR's, but at least you'll have somewhere solid to start at <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 01:42 17 February 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
:Never paid much attention to those things. I do sometimes get annoyed with people 20 suburbs away updating a suburb I'm familiar with when they have no on the ground evidence to support their update(more often than not they are not all that accurate). However, I'll research the EMR thing and get back to you.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>12:53 17 February 2011(UTC)</tt> <br />
::Frankly... unless someone devotes their entire daily AP to scouting a suburb, or has a large well organised group, or a zerg army, it's impossible to know what's going on in an entire suburb. Hence many of the "differences of opinion" (of course a few are also caused by bullshitters... but still) <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:06 17 February 2011 (BST)</span></small><br />
:^ Perhaps a system could be devised to clearly objectify what danger report would mean what suburb level. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:^^If you decide to go EMRP, I'd think about dropping the Ghosttown (or its equivalent), since I <nowiki>*think*</nowiki> that the EMRP does not count zombies inside buildings. EMRP does give infrastructure though, which ties into perfectly to your idea about basing this on "building status" rather than populations. -[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 19:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
Haet it. Blue is not a good color. I'd strongly suggest you guys to move with something more greenish, as the military thing --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 01:49, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Some people called for blue so I thought I'd try it. :) ''Would'' be a little tricky as far as the links go, since they all seem to be in blue as well.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>12:53 17 February 2011(UTC)</tt><br />
::I think I like your first color scheme a bit better, though I think either is fine. Not too keen on the second green color in the first scheme though. It doesn't seem to quite match. As for names, what about dominated or controlled, held, and battleground? --[[User:Zarneverfike|Zarneverfike]] 23:44, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, my suggestion for blue was just so that we didn't have two shades of green to deal with. It makes it easier to reference, since I hear people calling them "green suburbs" or the like. Two shades of green would have made that tough. Also, I picked the shade of blue I gave earlier carefully so that the links would still show up on them just fine. Anyway, I like the original colors better, but would bump green #1 to #2's spot, and then would use a blue for the #1 spot. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:40, 19 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:As above, not a fan of the blue indicators. So, is there enough consensus now to mock something up? I think a sandbox demo is in order. Just keep it to a 3x3 or 4x4 suburb grid and give others permission to play around with it. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 17:02, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
If 'safe' to 'dangerous' descriptions for suburbs are too much of a pro-survivor viewpoint, perhaps green to red backgrounds are too? Also, green and red can be particularly difficult for colour blind people to distinguish. --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 01:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== POV Suburb Levels ==<br />
<br />
While I like where ZL's head is currently at on this project, given that the "Pro-Survivor" version has been around since the beginning of the game, I think we should swing that bad-boy POV pendulumn back the other way for a couple of years. You know. For balance and karma.<br />
<br />
{| style="background:PapayaWhip; border:solid 2px Moccasin; border-spacing:7px"<br />
|- style="font-weight:bold"<br />
| Cell || Level || Description <br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#CFC;border:solid 2px #0E0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" | <br />
| Harvest-Ready <br />
| Most buildings are closed, but full of delicous, buttery harman flesh. <br />
Delicious. Buttery. Flesh. <br />
|-<br />
| style="background:#CF9;border:solid 2px #9C0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Harman-stock rebuilding<br />
| Some buildings are open, but for the most part, harmanz are being recultivated for <br />
the upcoming Fall harvest. Hordes, as always, are welcome to begin feeding.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#FFC;border:solid 2px #ED0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Feeding Frenzy<br />
| Most buildings are open, and full of delicious, buttery harman flesh. Hordes, <br />
as always, are welcome to continue feeding.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#FD9;border:solid 2px #EA0;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Harmanz are Endangered<br />
| Harman numbers have fallen rapidly, and the species is now in endanger of becoming extinct. <br />
Zombies should continue drop-kicking that dead horse. <br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#F99;border:solid 2px #E00;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Harmanz are Extinct in the wild<br />
| Harmanz are nearly extinct, except in isolated, controlled populations. Zombies should <br />
move on to greener pastures.<br />
|- <br />
| style="background:#EEE;border:solid 2px #CCC;width:50px;height:50px;text-align:center" |<br />
| Harmanz Atrocity Zone<br />
| Harmanz have been eradicated from the suburb, and their corpses have been left to rot in <br />
the streets. Zombies should move on to greener pastures.<br />
|}<br />
-[[MHS|<span style="color: Black">'''MHS'''</span>]][[User_Talk:MHSstaff|<span style="color: DarkBlue">'''staff'''</span>]] 19:11, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I heartily support this proposal. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 04:25, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Given Recent activities this probably reflects the current status of the game better than the pro-survivor version. -- <span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:ephphatha]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 17:46, 29 May 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
== Largely Quantifiable Numbers ==<br />
<br />
Since the current danger system utilizes some pretty straightforward numbers in the analysis, 50+ zombie hordes, 150+ zombie hordes, etc., I have found that current circumstances on the ground may warrant updating these numbers. Unlike the heyday of UD, overall participation is way down. Active accounts are down, too. Currently, the game has 8452 survivors standing, 4554 zombies standing, and 3716 dead/revivifying. This means that, per suburb assuming even distribution, there's around 84.5 survivors and 45.5 zombies. I haven't seen a fully-loaded multi-hundred-human defended mall in months, and there's absolutely no indication that the distribution of those survivors is even, meaning few suburbs have enough people to put even a single person inside each building.<br />
<br />
All this said, the game is smaller now. Small groups of zombies can crack suburbs this lightly defended with ease. Survivors are spread thin trying to defend everything. Perhaps we should be looking at lower numbers constituting the danger levels? 25 zombie hordes and 75 zombie mega-hordes, perhaps? Either way, the numbers aren't really as useful as they once were, rarely coming into play in the updates. And, if they DO come into play, it's usually AFTER the suburb has already been wiped clean of humans. What updates might make this more useful? --[[User:BLusk|BLusk]] 14:22, 21 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Zombie Lord is working on something that moves the system away from population based reporting altogether. It's more of an infrastructure based reporting system that is along the lines of the EMRs we get. Population numbers are included but the danger of a burb is not based on it. I think he's still working out the details and so he hasn't posted anything here but you can see what he's working on at [[User:Zombie Lord/sandbox1]]. {{User:Vapor/sig}} 14:29, 21 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, thank you for the link. Anyone who wants to take all that to a more public page so it can be worked on by anyone who feels the urge, should feel free.-{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>19:02 23 February 2011(UTC)</tt><br />
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== Dead-vert!! ==<br />
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Ha! Whoever did that - nice deadvertisment! {{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} <sub>15:09, 13 May 2011</sub><br />
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== What happens next? ==<br />
i've noticed that slowly the entire city is falling. Everywhere i go the buildings are ruined and there are only zombies. what happens when the entire city is zombified or dead?[[User:Jrs3000|Jrs3000]] 18:07, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:it won't come to that, u may notice that search rates for faks and syringes, even in ruins, are supergood right now... {{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} <sub>18:12, 14 May 2011</sub><br />
holy shit almost the whole maps red no more greens and only 28% are humans i think malton is finelly falling to zombie hands lol go zeds! i wonder what would happen if all the humans died would kevin finelly end this xD and the best thing would be for the big bash to come around now...<br />
:28% is actually much better than it was a short time ago. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:18, 28 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== A side note ==<br />
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As you can see, pretty much nowhere is safe. Whenever you try to cade a building, you get killed somehow, so really, what is the point of playing as a survivor? you'll just keep getting killed every few days. So really the game is really favouring zombies. Survivors are being penalised. Seriously, I keep hearing stories that as soon as a building is caded, a rather large group of zombies coming from nowhere appears and kills everyone, how can you compete with that? But what if someone doesn't want to play as a zombie, they go to a revive point. Wait, idiots attack the zombies there too. So basically, survivors are screwed. Without survivors then this is not really much of a game. {{unsigned|LoneGuardian09|12:48, 30 May 2011 (BST)}}<br />
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well the game has to come to an end somtime i think that the zombies will end up ruling and the survivors or dying or just never log in again<br />
--[[User:Jose|Jose]] 16:50, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:Simple, humans do what they are known for, surviving. it will simply be as nomads hiding in darkened buildings. which is a well used tactic in dangerous suburbs, hiding in ruined, dark buildings is really easy to do--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 06:36, 4 June 2011 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Amazing&diff=1875536User talk:Amazing2011-04-26T03:47:22Z<p>Mikalos209: </p>
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<div>Archives: [[User:Amazing/Archive1|1]] & [[User:Amazing/Archive2|2]] !<br />
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=JESUS ''Bike-Riding'' CHRIST.......again=<br />
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For one of our own was crucified for our sins and left this plane for five long years, while our spirits soured and crops withered. It was foretold our lord and saviour Amazing would return one day to govern the masses.<br />
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That day is here.<br />
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Rejoice o brethren of the beard! Sing high to the angels that greatness once again walks among us mortal men! For everyone else, your bikes await. Ride on to the darkness, cast away from the light of the bearded way! Hallelujah! --[[User:Zod Rhombus|Zod Rhombus]] 01:24, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Gosh, it's almost like you think I was ''God'' or something. (HOLY SHIT I'M KIDDING YOU GUYS.) -- [[User:Amazing|JJJameson]] 03:13, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Response. ==<br />
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1. Yes 2.Yes 3.Yes 4. Make a request on the Vandal Banning page if you have a concern. --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 23:50, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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:The questions were:<br />
:# If a tree falls in the woods, does it make you horny?<br />
:# Can I have a bite of your Egg McMuffin?<br />
:# Am I going to get banned again right away?<br />
:# What should I do if the headmaster at my school keeps calling me into his office for "special touching"?<br />
:-- [[User:Amazing|JJJameson]] 03:13, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::Also, I have no idea why my screen name was set to JJJameson. -- [[User:Amazing|Amazing?!]] 03:23, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::I really can't stand mcmuffins. They don't seem real.--[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 12:39, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::That explains why you didn't so much give me a bite of it as cram it in my face while I wept. -- [[User:Amazing|Amazing?!]] 18:18, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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== lurrve u ==<br />
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I did it! I helped get you unbanned! Now don't make me look silly -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 12:31, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:So... no writing on your face while you nap? :( -- [[User:Amazing|Amazing?!]] 18:18, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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Welcome back, Amazing. :D --[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 18:53, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:Why Mr. Koponen, you're trying to seduce me. -- [[User:Amazing|Amazing?!]] 19:14, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::Damn straight.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 19:46, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::: *Runs out of the room quickly*--{{User:Imthatguy/sig}} ''' 20:29, 23 April 2011 '''<br />
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== oh look ==<br />
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look who is active again... glad to see you around this place again, 'mate. Sorry i didnt took a bigger part in this than i was hoping, but i was kind of busy renting a new home for myself and the lady :) --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 20:13, 25 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:On the contrary, if you hadn't been posting about it, no one would have cared to do anything. Give yourself credit. :) Also, it looks like Arthur ran out of the room so fast he forgot to close the tag behind him. -- [[User:Amazing|Amazing?!]] 00:39, 26 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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== because i can == <br />
and nobody cares about me here. welcome back here. maybe >.> -leaves cookies on a plate on a table over there---[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 04:47, 26 April 2011 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Owsleybank&diff=1860996Owsleybank2011-03-20T02:50:25Z<p>Mikalos209: </p>
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NE_suburb=West Becktown|<br />
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E_suburb=Molebank|<br />
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SE_suburb=Reganbank|<br />
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'''Owsleybank''' is a [[suburb]] of [[Malton]], located on the western edge of the city.<br />
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Before the outbreak, Owsleybank was not only sparesly populated and remotely located, it was also commonly disliked by the inhabitants of Malton due to its blandness. It was known for its sleepy streets, flanked by countless auto shops.<br />
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==Resource Buildings==<br />
{{TRP List<br />
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{{User:DangerReport/The Challes Building|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/The Woodborne Building|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|Hospitals=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Aloysius General Hospital|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/St. Daniel's Hospital (Owsleybank)|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|PDs=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Ruggevale Walk Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|Factories=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Factory 5,47|template=TRP Status Factory}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Factory 5,48|template=TRP Status Factory}}<br />
|ARSs=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Dobin Auto Repair|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Howard Auto Repair|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Jervis Auto Repair|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Waller Auto Repair|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|Malls=<br />
*None<br />
|Boards=<br />
*[[Hawtrey Alley]] (9,43)<br />
*[[Smallwood Plaza]] (9,40)<br />
|RPs=<br />
*[[McNamara Drive]] (7,43)<br />
*[[The Woodborne Building]] (0,44)<br />
*[[The Sendall Monument]] (0,47)<br />
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==[[Image:AquaInfo.jpg|left|22px]]{{PAGENAME}} Information Resources==<br />
[[Image:AquaInfo.jpg|left|75px]]The [[Building Information Center/{{PAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}} Building Information Center]] contains status reports and updates on key buildings in the suburb.<br />
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View zombie activity and locations in {{PAGENAME}} from [[EMRP:_{{PAGENAME}}|External Military Reports]] and [[NecroWatch/M_to_O#Owsleybank|NecroWatch]]. <!-- WATCH OUT: reference to left can't contain PAGENAME! --><br />
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==[[Image:AquaReviv.jpg|left|22px]]Revive Requests==<br />
* For zombies standing inside the [[The_Woodborne_Building|The Woodborne Building [0, 44],]] Brain Rot Revives as well as regular revive requests can be made on the [http://www.rottersrelief.org/forum/index.php?topic=67.0 Rotter's Relief Forums (registration not required).]<br />
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* [http://dhpdforums.proboards67.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=302 DHPD Queue] - Status: Active (Requests Preferred)<br />
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{{Revivification Requests}}<br />
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==[[Image:AquaNews.jpg|left|22px]]Recent News==<br />
{{BurbNewsIntro}}<br />
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===march 19th===<br />
A lot of combat revives in the suburb. --[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 02:50, 20 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Image:AquaMMI.jpg|left|22px]] Things to do while in Owsleybank ==<br />
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*'''Remember the past!''' - Come see the site of [[Escape]] at [[Ellicott Place Railway Station]], the event that didn't change Malton. Stand in the building's gloomy shadow and remember that one time that Kevan flipped off the survivors of Malton!<br />
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*'''See a painting!''' - The [[The Hyson Museum|Hyson Museum]] has one of Malton's finest collections of European art, formerly belonging to the Hyson family!<br />
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*'''Get a syringe!''' - Got a tinge of mold in between the ears? Don't worry, head over to the [[The Woodborne Building|Woodborne Building]] and you'll be alright. Not mouldy? Then head over to either The [[The Sendall Monument|Sendall Monument]], [[Thirlby Walk]] or [[McNamara Drive]] and hope that somebody will find you quickly enough.<br />
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== Group Involvement ==<br />
The survivor group [[DHPD]] considers this suburb part of their six-suburb [[DMZ|Dunell Military Zone]].<br><br />
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==[[Image:AquaReviv.jpg|left|22px]]Revive Points==<br />
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The Woodborne Building [0,44] is a rot revive location maintained by [[Rotter's Relief]] and '''SHOULD NOT BE BARRICADED.'''<br />
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==[[Image:AquaBarricade.jpg|left|22px]]Barricade Plan==<br />
See [[Owsleybank Barricade Plan]] for full details.<br />
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==[[Image:AquaCompass.jpg|left|22px]]Suburb Map==<br />
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N_Suburb=[[Dunell_Hills#Suburb_Map|N]]|<br />
NE_Suburb=[[West_Becktown#Suburb_Map|NE]]|<br />
W_Suburb=W|<br />
E_Suburb=[[Molebank#Suburb_Map|E]]|<br />
SW_Suburb=SW|<br />
S_Suburb=[[Grigg_Heights#Suburb_Map|S]]|<br />
SE_Suburb=[[Reganbank#Suburb_Map|SE]]|<br />
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location2=[[Leggetter Library]]|location2_color=Library|<br />
location3=[[Junkyard 2,40|a junkyard]]|location3_color=Junkyard|<br />
location4=[[Parkhouse Way Fire Station]]|location4_color=Fire Station|<br />
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location6=[[Varder Walk]]|location6_color=Street|<br />
location7=[[the Pile Building]]|location7_color=Building|<br />
location8=[[the Hellyer Building (Owsleybank)|the Hellyer Building]]|location8_color=Building|<br />
location9=[[the Cribb Building]]|location9_color=Building|<br />
location10=[[Smallwood Plaza]]|location10_color=Street|<br />
location11=[[Goodson Square]]|location11_color=Street|<br />
location12=[[the Armastrong Monument]]|location12_color=Monument|<br />
location13=[[the Barber Building]]|location13_color=Building|<br />
location14=[[Borthwick Alley]]|location14_color=Street|<br />
location15=[[Hopes Row]]|location15_color=Street|<br />
location16=[[St. Columbanus's Church (Owsleybank)|St. Columbanus's Church]]|location16_color=Church|<br />
location17=[[Wasteland 6,41|wasteland]]|location17_color=Wasteland|<br />
location18=[[Mains Alley]]|location18_color=Street|<br />
location19=[[the Troakes Museum]]|location19_color=Museum|<br />
location20=[[the Cother Museum]]|location20_color=Museum|<br />
location21=[[Bird Boulevard (Owsleybank)|Bird Boulevard]]|location21_color=Street|<br />
location22=[[Carpark 1,42|a carpark]]|location22_color=Carpark|<br />
location23=[[Wasteland 2,42|wasteland]]|location23_color=Wasteland|<br />
location24=[[Hazzard Walk]]|location24_color=Street|<br />
location25=[[Deed Lane]]|location25_color=Street|<br />
location26=[[Wasteland 5,42|wasteland]]|location26_color=Wasteland|<br />
location27=[[the Dennis Motel]]|location27_color=Hotel|<br />
location28=[[Jervis Auto Repair]]|location28_color=Auto Repair|<br />
location29=[[Club Burns]]|location29_color=Club|<br />
location30=[[Caff Road School]]|location30_color=School|<br />
location31=[[Hardie Square]]|location31_color=Street|<br />
location32=[[Garson Row]]|location32_color=Street|<br />
location33=[[Polley Way]]|location33_color=Street|<br />
location34=[[the Pers Monument]]|location34_color=Monument|<br />
location35=[[Garland Library]]|location35_color=Library|<br />
location36=[[Aloysius General Hospital]]|location36_color=Hospital|<br />
location37=[[Carpark 6,43|a carpark]]|location37_color=Carpark|<br />
location38=[[McNamara Drive]]<br>RP|location38_color=Street|<br />
location39=[[Tailer Row]]|location39_color=Street|<br />
location40=[[Hawtrey Alley]]|location40_color=Street|<br />
location41=[[the Woodborne Building]] ([[Rot revive|Rot RP]])|location41_color= NecroTech |<br />
location42=[[the Dawney Building]]|location42_color=Building|<br />
location43=[[Wasteland 2,44|wasteland]]|location43_color=Wasteland|<br />
location44=[[Dobin Auto Repair]]|location44_color=Auto Repair|<br />
location45=[[Sankey Boulevard]]|location45_color=Street|<br />
location46=[[Holide Way]]|location46_color=Street|<br />
location47=[[Eelms Avenue]]|location47_color=Street|<br />
location48=[[the Goode Building]]|location48_color=Building|<br />
location49=[[Howard Auto Repair]]|location49_color=Auto Repair|<br />
location50=[[Ruggevale Walk Police Department]]|location50_color=Police Dept|<br />
location51=[[Ellicott Place Railway Station]]|location51_color=Railway Station|<br />
location52=[[Hodgkinson Drive]]|location52_color=Street|<br />
location53=[[Dalgliesh Cinema]]|location53_color=Cinema|<br />
location54=[[Beale Library]]|location54_color=Library|<br />
location55=[[Matcham Square Railway Station]]|location55_color=Railway Station|<br />
location56=[[Vesey Cinema]]|location56_color=Cinema|<br />
location57=[[McCullough Avenue]]|location57_color=Street|<br />
location58=[[Carpark 7,45|a carpark]]|location58_color=Carpark|<br />
location59=[[the Crosswell Building]]|location59_color=Building|<br />
location60=[[Verrell Crescent (Owsleybank)|Verrell Crescent]]|location60_color=Street|<br />
location61=[[Waller Auto Repair]]|location61_color=Auto Repair|<br />
location62=[[Thirlby Walk]]<BR>RP|location62_color=Street|<br />
location63=[[Randell Boulevard]]|location63_color=Street|<br />
location64=[[Carpark 3,46|a carpark]]|location64_color=Carpark|<br />
location65=[[Wild Place]]|location65_color=Street|<br />
location66=[[Griff Drive School]]|location66_color=School|<br />
location67=[[the Pitts Museum]]|location67_color=Museum|<br />
location68=[[Carpark 7,46|a carpark]]|location68_color=Carpark|<br />
location69=[[Mitchard Park]]|location69_color=Park|<br />
location70=[[Junkyard 9,46|a junkyard]]|location70_color=Junkyard|<br />
location71=[[the Sendall Monument]]<BR>RP|location71_color=Monument|<br />
location72=[[Howord Way (Owsleybank)|Howord Way]]|location72_color=Street|<br />
location73=[[Percifull Plaza]]|location73_color=Street|<br />
location74=[[Bisshop Square]]|location74_color=Street|<br />
location75=[[the Dunning Motel]]|location75_color=Hotel|<br />
location76=[[Factory 5,47|a factory]]|location76_color=Factory|<br />
location77=[[Cudworth Alley]]|location77_color=Street|<br />
location78=[[Harewood Library]]|location78_color=Library|<br />
location79=[[Harington Boulevard]]|location79_color=Street|<br />
location80=[[Much Boulevard]]|location80_color=Street|<br />
location81=[[Junkyard 0,48|a junkyard]]|location81_color=Junkyard|<br />
location82=[[St. Daniel's Hospital (Owsleybank)|St. Daniel's Hospital]]|location82_color=Hospital|<br />
location83=[[Wasteland 2,48|wasteland]]|location83_color=Wasteland|<br />
location84=[[The Willison Building]]|location84_color=Building|<br />
location85=[[Junkyard 4,48|a junkyard]]|location85_color=Junkyard|<br />
location86=[[Factory 5,48|a factory]]|location86_color=Factory|<br />
location87=[[Shattock Plaza School]]|location87_color=School|<br />
location88=[[Scudamore Plaza Fire Station]]|location88_color=Fire Station|<br />
location89=[[the Duncan Monument]]|location89_color=Monument|<br />
location90=[[Carpark 9,48|a carpark]]|location90_color=Carpark|<br />
location91=[[Kittle Alley School]]|location91_color=School|<br />
location92=[[Boyer Boulevard Railway Station]]|location92_color=Railway Station|<br />
location93=[[Prideaux Street Fire Station]]|location93_color=Fire Station|<br />
location94=[[Wilshe Drive]]|location94_color=Street|<br />
location95=[[Comitty Alley]]|location95_color=Street|<br />
location96=[[the Whyte Monument]]|location96_color=Monument|<br />
location97=[[the Challes Building]]|location97_color= NecroTech |<br />
location98=[[Collis Library]]|location98_color=Library|<br />
location99=[[Lye Alley]]|location99_color=Street|<br />
location100=[[the Russel Museum]]|location100_color=Museum}}<br />
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[[Category:NPOV]]</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Mikalos209&diff=1855795User:Mikalos2092011-03-04T02:14:32Z<p>Mikalos209: </p>
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<div>Yep, It's Cody6/Jakezing, back from the grave and... apparently not at immature and stupid as before. <br />
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So, ive decided that once the bash is done and the suburbs return to their usual green/yellow with some orange and reds, i'll take a tour of the southern half the the map. havnt been to joachim since i got blacklisted for hatin on caiger<br />
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=random shit Im putting here=<br />
*Welcome to random propaganda I felt like posting.<br />
=="Problems" with the wiki/ect==<br />
*Much of the site is pro-survivor, mostly inadvertently, such as all non Greater Ridleybank suburbs and the general concept of the suburb danger levels.<br />
*The admins are agents of the antichrist >.><br />
*The admins are also agents of god.<br />
*Kevan is biased towards zombies, per the fact he likes zombies at all.<br />
*The population of malton liked drinks.<br />
*This game and Wiki have a decidedly British POV problem.<br />
*Many users are communist agents <br />
*Many users are pro-zombie or pro-survivor.<br />
*The above statement may not be true<br />
*the military hates us<br />
*Malton is very dry besides random heavy fog and snow.<br />
*A lack of religious buildings dedicated to Kevanism<br />
*To much support of KEvanism<br />
*Odd number of churchs<br />
*the city is a friggin square.<br />
*there is no central building that could have operated as a government center</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:DangerReport/Peddlesden_Village&diff=1763546User:DangerReport/Peddlesden Village2010-08-22T19:03:32Z<p>Mikalos209: </p>
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N_suburb=East Boundwood|<br />
NE_suburb=Lamport Hills|<br />
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W_suburb=Shuttlebank|<br />
E_suburb=Millen Hills|<br />
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SW_suburb=Eastonwood|<br />
S_suburb=Brooke Hills|<br />
SE_suburb=Shearbank|<br />
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'''Yagoton''' is a [[suburb]] of [[Malton]], located in the northern section of the city. Yagoton contains the southern half of [[Bale Mall]]. Before the Outbreak, it had been a older and worn-down section of the city, with many [[factories]], [[junkyards]] and [[warehouses]]. Crime was rampant. Petty theft, break-ins, and assault were common in this area. However, because of the attempts of a neighborhood gentrification, it became one of the hottest night-spots in [[Malton]], with six [[clubs]] and three [[Arms|pubs]]. The city planners also authorized the creation of two police stations, Moorhouse Place and Newbould Place, to stop crime in the suburb. Yagoton was one of the greatest success stories of Malton's city planning committee. Even after the zombie outbreak, it is once again the location of a success story because of the dedicated [[Revivication]] efforts by one of [[Malton]]'s oldest established groups, the [[YRC]]. In the midst of this success is the fact that it is sometimes one of the most dangerous suburbs in the city, probably due to the fact that it contains the southern half of [[Bale Mall]], and the fact that it has inter-suburb fame due to its extremely successful revive point at St. Swithuns church based of out [[The Whatmore Building]], which is often the subject of the antagonizations of hostile zombie and [[Pker]] groups.<br />
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==Resource Buildings==<br />
{{TRP List<br />
|NTs=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/The Serrell Building|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/The Style Building|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/The Whatmore Building|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|Hospitals=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Catherine General Hospital (Yagoton)|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|PDs=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Hinks Crescent Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Holsgrove Row Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Moorhouse Place Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Newbould Place Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|Factories=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Factory 46,11|template=TRP Status Factory}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Factory 49,10|template=TRP Status Factory}}<br />
|ARSs=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Ainslie Auto Repair|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Pippen Auto Repair|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Tyson Auto Repair|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|Malls=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Bale Mall|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|Boards=<br />
*[[Garner Row]] (47,15)<br />
*[[Hume Walk]] (43,14)<br />
*[[Orders Street]] (43,11)<br />
|RPs=<br />
*[[Harkness Street]] (41,12)<br />
*[[St. Swithun's Church (Yagoton)|St. Swithun's Church]] (45,17)<br />
*[[The Serrell Building]] (49,18)<br />
}}<br />
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==[[Image:AquaInfo.jpg|left|22px]]{{PAGENAME}} Information Resources==<br />
[[Image:AquaInfo.jpg|left|75px]]The [[{{PAGENAME}} Building Information Center]] contains status reports and updates on key buildings in the suburb.<br />
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View zombie activity and locations in {{PAGENAME}} from [[EMRP:_{{PAGENAME}}|External Military Reports]] and [[NecroWatch/S_to_Z#Yagoton|NecroWatch]]. <!-- WATCH OUT: reference to left can't contain PAGENAME! --><br />
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==[[Image:AquaNews.jpg|left|22px]]Recent News==<br />
{{BurbNewsIntro}}<br />
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===August===<br />
====August 19th====<br />
The bash has declared itself to have left the suburb, with pockets of survivor rebuilding appearing. Whatmore is holding.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 06:13, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:The southern half is showing signs of normalcy, with revives at whatmore on a slower track due to the lack of revivers still. The northernhalf remains ruined.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 04:17, 21 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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====August 16th====<br />
The Mall is compromised along with most resource buildings in the suburb. --[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 00:52, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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====August 14th====<br />
The Bash has payed Yagoton a visit. Based on limited radio reports the southern survivor bases have fallen, whatmore is expected to hold til at least sunday.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 03:52, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:The Southern half of the suburb seems to be gone, with radio reports semi-accurate--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 05:00, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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====August 5<sup>th</sup>====<br />
25.96 MHz: "... reporting from Yagoton, I've got thirty or so active ... a horde of twenty or so outside Bale Mall ... lights are on across the suburb ... can't see a single ruined building either ... the Whatmore Building has power ..." -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 13:51, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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===July===<br />
====July 28<sup>th</sup>====<br />
[[Bale Mall]] has been breached; no serious damage done, only one survivor infected. Should be barricaded back up in no time. -- [[User:DeathShad0|DeathShad0]]<br />
01:54, 28 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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====July 27<sup>th</sup>====<br />
[[Bale Mall]] is in survivor hands, however, there is a group of about twenty zeds gathered outside the Southeast corner, and over 30 bodies on the ground. The rest of Yagoton looks clear, not a single ruin, and there are a lot of lights on. Mobile-Phone Mast is up. --{{User:Fifth_Element/sig}} 04:21, 27 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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====July 21<sup>th</sup>====<br />
In a last-ditch effort, the [[Bale Mall]] food court staffers tried to stave off the undead with burgers and fries. Zombies appreciated the gesture so much that they invited the cooks to join them. Bale Mall has fallen. --[[User:Irondragon|Irondrake]] 0:21, 21 July 2010 (CST)<br />
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====July 18<sup>th</sup>====<br />
25.96 MHz: "... reporting from Yagoton, I've got about forty active ... a few outside Bale Mall ... a lot of buildings with lights on ... only a few buildings damaged ... the Style Building has lights on ... Bale Mall is down ..."<br />
:25.96 MHz: "... reporting from Yagoton, I've got about forty active ... maybe a dozen outside Bale Mall ... a lot of buildings with lights on ... infrastructure looks intact ... the Style Building has lights on ..."<br />
:Two broadcasts, four hours apart, looks like a few buildings have been repaired during the time. -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 04:03, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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====July 9<sup>th</sup>====<br />
Things are looking Ok, according to the military things are fine. No power anywhere that I could see though.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 02:15, 10 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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====July 8<sup>th</sup>====<br />
25.96 MHz: "... crossing Yagoton now, can see about forty down there ... mostly just small groups ... several buildings with power ... serious collateral damage ... power's back on at Bale Mall ... the Serrell Building is looking wrecked ..." -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 02:43, 8 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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====July 4<sup>th</sup>====<br />
25.96 MHz: "... crossing Yagoton now, can see nearly a hundred down there ... a few big groups, but they're spread out ... several buildings with power ... serious collateral damage ... Bale Mall has fallen ..." -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 00:26, 5 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Groups==<br />
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*[[The Abandoned]] - The Abandoned is the main survivor group dedicated to keeping the Revive Clinic and the whole of Yagoton safe, having been in operation since September of 2005. They also maintain (and often create) the barricade plans, as well as aiding any other local survivor groups in need.<br />
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*[[Amish Liberation Front]] - ALF has returned to Bale mall in order to kill members of the [[BME]] and their allies who they personally see as little more than PKers.<br />
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*[[The BattleRagers]]- A survivor group that is operating out of the Rounsefell library in southern Yagoton. They are currently working towards riding yagoton of the Zombie menace.<br />
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*[[FFR]] - A survivor group that mostly believes in reviving over killing their fellow man. HQ is at [[Newbould Place Police Department]] : (currently recruiting)<br />
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*[[Cannibal Corps]] - The Cannibal Corps has been patrolling the Yagoton area searching out and destroying Zerging and Pking groups. They have been known to pass out aid and revives to survivors in need.<br />
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*[[Channel 4 News Team]] - We, at the [[Channel 4 News Team]], are all about having fun. You know, get a couple cocktails in us, start a fire in someone's kitchen, then go out and kill a bunch of zombies in one big bilingual blood fest.<br />
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*[[Chocolate Thunder]] - The Chocolate Thunder is a dedicated PKer group that abides by certain "moral" codes.<br />
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*[[Counter Terrorist Unit]] - Counter Terrorist Unit (CTU) Is a small survivor group dedicated to cleansing Yagotown of terrorist (PKers and Death Cultist) and other scum. We also protect the mall, PDs, FDs, NT and other buildings from zombie invasion.<br />
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*[[The Crimson Wolves]]- The Crimson Wolves (formerly the GMSCPIRACPCNC )is a group that has 2 goals. Bounty-hunt targets after proof and permission are given, and annoy zombie hordes. But mostly the latter. And defend Southern Yagoton, and the Rev. Clinic from zombie threats.<br />
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*The [[Disciples of Zeko]]- The Disciples of Zeko are a PKing group led by the man responsible for the [[Valentine's Day Massacre]]. They, or their followers, are currently promoting the [[Whatmore Building]] as a holy murder shrine dedicated to Redzeko, presumably because the building is the location of his ascension. They kill people daily in the [[Whatmore Building]] in the glory of his name and seem to be encouraging others to do likewise.<br />
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*[[DORIS]] has recognized Yagoton as the rightful home of Steve Irwin, and will evict all those Stay <br />
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*[[Elitist Tophat Society]] - The Elitist Tophat Society make their home in Yagoton, sitting lively infront of the fireplace sipping brandy as they twirl their handlebar mustaches.<br />
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*[[The Great Taboo]] - Is One Of The Most Forbidden Groups Living In Malton Secretly Being Run By Pkers For Years And Years With The Blood Cults Going On It Has Proven That They Should Not Be Messed With Not Even [[The Abandoned]] Should Touch Them<br />
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*[[Malton Rangers]] - The Malton Rangers have dispatched a team to the Yagoton area to provide assistance to other groups in cleaning out the suburb and reactivating regular clinic service. The Rangers consider themselves uninvolved in local politics and will aid, assist and protect any native groups or individuals that want a better Malton.<br />
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*[[Malton Response Team G]] - The Malton Response Team G is a pro-survivor group that has formed in December of 2007. The group is dedicated to the safety of Yagoton, and assisting other pro-survivor groups in eliminating the zombie threat, as well as assisting in dealing with any other threats to the safety and resources of the survivors.<br />
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*[[McZeds|McZed's&trade;]] New store opened at [[Club McClean]] (18,47) Where anyone can sit comfortably and enjoy some hot and tasty rotter flesh!<br />
*[[The Neon Knights]] - The Neon Knights call into question the true motives of the Yagoton Revivification Clinic and its staff. They claim (among other things) that the revivification points they and others maintain aren't quite what they seem.<br />
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*[[One Man & His Dog]] - K9 search and rescue group we have all types of lost dogs for you to take on as your guardian. Our main objective is to search the wrecked buildings rescue survivors, remove the threat and barracade.<br />
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*[[The Undeadites]]- This horde of zombies can be seen rampaging throughout the suburb, <s>for how long they'll remain is yet to be seen </s> however they have recently left for greener pastures elsewhere.<br />
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*[[Yagoton Revivification Clinic]] - The Yagoton Revivification Clinic was the first group in Yagoton. It oversees and staffs the Yagoton Revive Clinic.<br />
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*[[Viva la revolution|The Revolution]] - The survivor revolution that promotes unity in the survivor ranks is lookign for members and groups alike ot join in this mission to unify survivors to defeat the zombies.<br />
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* The [[Aardwolf Rangers]] - not much to say here, we let our flaming spears do the talking.<br />
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* The YagoBrew Baristas focus on serving quality coffee and maintaining a refuge for poetry readings near Bale Mall.<br />
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* [[b/|/b/]] - The [[b/|/b/]] zombie group is relatively new to the Yagoton area, and has been assisting [[Death's Embrace]] in the recent attacks on Whatmore and survivors in general. Lately their attacks have stemmed down.<br />
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* [[Death's Embrace]] - The [[Death's Embrace]] zombie group originated from Brooke Hills, intending to take over Yagoton in the same way they did their homeland. While they held the suburb for a few weeks, they have been thought to have left the area due to the successful survivor retaliations.<br />
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* [[The Wraiths]] - This secretive survivor group often operates in the Yagoton area, and is currently rumored to be on a PKer-hunting op.<br />
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* [[Sanitarium]] - This zombie group is visiting Yagoton as part of the Sanitarium Pub Crawl 2007. Their enduring search for pie continues...<br />
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==[[Image:AquaMMI.jpg|left|22px]]Things to do in Yagoton==<br />
*'''Shop 'till you drop''' Down with infection at [[Bale Mall]]. Then get revived. Then shop some more!<br />
*'''Party!''' At one of Yagoton's 6, yes, 6 clubs! By the end of the night, you'll be so drunk, you won't ''care'' when you fall asleep in the street!<br />
*'''Have some coffee!''' At [[Warehouse 44,12|YagoBrew]], where fine staff are ready to serve ''you'' that perfect cup of joe!<br />
*'''Pray for forgiveness!''' for your sins from the previous night at any one of Yagoton's 6 Churches!<br />
*'''Visit the relatives''' At the cemetery!<br />
*'''See the sights''' From some of our tall buildings, which offer panoramic views of up to 3 blocks!<br />
*'''Eat out''' At any one of our [[McZeds (new)|McZeds]] stores! Now serving tender chicken, made from the remains of the CRF!<br />
*'''Get Revived''' at the city-famous [[Yagoton Revification Clinic]]!<br />
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==[[Image:AquaBarricade.jpg|left|22px]] Yagoton Barricade Plan ==<br />
For more information, see [[Yagoton Barricade Plan]].<br />
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{{Yagoton Barricade Plan|Small}}<br />
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==[[Image:AquaCompass.jpg|left|22px]]Suburb Map==<br />
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W_Suburb=[[Shuttlebank#Suburb_Map|W]]|<br />
E_Suburb=[[Millen_Hills#Suburb_Map|E]]|<br />
SW_Suburb=[[Eastonwood#Suburb_Map|SW]]|<br />
S_Suburb=[[Brooke_Hills#Suburb_Map|S]]|<br />
SE_Suburb=[[Shearbank#Suburb_Map|SE]]|<br />
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:Thats not what the editing history says. And poodle, give me 24 hours, i'm in negotiations with an incredibly sexy women. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:50, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::Bullshit!! There is no woman!!!! I'm curious to know why the answers can't come to me now? -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 23:52, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Put it like this. I may be able to form a supergroup with some amazing members. As for the woman in question, she puts the "o", in "DSS satellite phone". --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:54, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:Oh, by the way, Dealt in Lead you're a crat, and Pixel Pandemic your an op. I assume these were the ones you referred to?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 00:01, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::yip, really must clear the adbots of the dealt in lead one. But as only 20 people in the world are playing it....... --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 00:09, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Probably because it's darn near impossible to create an account...--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 00:21, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::Persuade me to play this game. I'm currently only down to two active games. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:22, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I'm trying to play, but I can't make an account!{{Grr}}--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 00:25, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Times are updated for the event Ross,... let me know if your interested. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 00:05, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Invitations==<br />
Due to your interest in '''[[EVIL|our]]''' event, as well as the help you have provided to us in the creation of it's page,... I'd like to extend to you the opportunity to invite five groups of individuals. The invitation can be found [[Template:RIAC Invitation|here]]. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 01:11, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Thinking of making a Manhunt All-Stars Ross, you in? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:04, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you don't know already, it's a temporary group to bypass the group only rule in PoD's Manhunt event. ;) --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 10:31, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::It will include the best of the best, plus me for guidance and axe hack for comic relief ;D -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:33, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Just let the horrible PKer do his work! ;D --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 10:35, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Promotions==<br />
Now the 2 weeks are up, I'm hoping you will read everything placed at A/PM (if you didn't already) and make your decision with Boxy. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:09, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:They've already been at it. Boxy's talk is always a good place to check 24 hours before any bid ends, as you will see now.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 23:11, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==The Color of This Page==<br />
It's burninating! [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBsm2HiLubY Do not want!] --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 01:29, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
<br />
== forum ==<br />
<br />
I'm in the process of setting up some stuff for [[Manhunt All-Stars]], do you know any place that might give us a sub-forum? I don't visit and UD forums unfortunately :( -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 04:49, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:OBR or DSS. Probably the latter. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I just reg'd with the DSS, I might talk to someone there closer to the date. ATM all the high level Manhunter's are ready to join the AllStars sept Soph, will ask her on forums soon. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 14:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I'm technically not ready until I get back in the States on Monday,but that doesn't matter. There's still a long time to go. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 14:46, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Well since soph runs the dss, you're sorted. I apologise for the pointless pm's im sending you over there. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:48, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::OMG, that's you! :D -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 15:11, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::I just reg'd as well. Someone just PM me or whatever when this thing gets set up. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 15:31, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:I could check with the NMC, but I highly doubt it. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 14:33, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Trial Period ==<br />
<br />
I obviouslly have the desire to be a sysop and to uphold the wiki law.<br><br />
But most of the sysops think I can't handle it, or that I would be useless.<br><br />
Well, What if you guys made me a mini-sysop. I could vote on vandal cases, I '''can't''' ban users though. I can delete pages on A/SD or A/D.<br><br />
And if over time, you guys think I'm useless to the sysop team, then you can say sianara and demote me back to what I am now. PLEASE! This is all I want in life!(not really that bad, but I want it). So, What do you think, and what do you think the other sysops will think.--{{User:Jerrel Yokotory/signature}}. 21:37, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:That's not how it works. You don't fit the criteria to be a sysop, and you don't have community support. This policy (which wouldn't work because of the wiki groups we have atm) would be better suited to people like Thad. He got fairly even support and fits a good amount of the criteria. You should work towards that, instead of asking for trial periods. We shouldn't have to give you the benefit of the doubt, you should ''compell'' us to support you.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 21:47, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::As Yonn said, there are policies dictating how promotions work, and if Ross or boxy (or anyone else, *cough*) were to promote you without going through the proper procedures, you can bet that they'd be Misconducted and you'd be demoted almost immediately. Besides which, a promotion of the nature you specify isn't even ''technically'' possible, since when they promote people, you get everything that the rank can do, not just some parts of it. And the sysops aren't some club that decides whether to let you in or not; it's the community that decides who becomes a sysop, and the 'crats just make the final decision based off of the community. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:17, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Technically, you (and every other user) are on a "trial-period" where you can rule in on a case. It's called the [[UDWiki talk:Administration/Vandal Banning/Archive/2010 08|A/VB Talk Page]]. Put your input on a case up there, make a well worded argument, and you'll be able to show people your interest in the system (and maybe even sway a few administrative votes on the case).<br />
:'''Remember: Actions speak louder than words.''' You can express your desire to be a sysop all you want, but untill you start ''acting'' like you deserve the role, you aren't going to get it. If you're wondering how to "act the role," look into all the advice people have been giving you over the past months. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 23:09, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Wanting it so bad, seemingly only for the sake of having it, is actually a pretty good reason not to give it to you. Go do something constructive on the wiki <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 23:34 6 August 2010 (BST)</span></small><br />
::Exactly, you've basically begged us to just be able to spurt shit around the drama parts and not help out in the actual wiki, when you're qualified to do neither. Good work. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 01:19, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:You see, your problem is that you don't understand politics. Asking to be a sysop is like proposing to be wed. The more you do it, the less people will want to give it to you. Forget the whole concept of you being sysop. Unless someone asks you about it, don't even mention it until someone eventually nominates you. That way, you won't let your own hubris ruin your chances like it is. Focus solely on improving the wiki like any other common person. You know how, and you've clearly been doing this, but what you've done so far just isn't enough. You need to flood the wiki with examples of your devotion to it. Force everyone to see how helpful you are, give helpful opinions even on topics that don't concern you, and make some friends. I really think you could be a sysop one day, but until you're better than every other common person, don't bother with all this sysop stuff. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 00:55, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::^^^^^. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:06, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Basically. Use the talk pages, to discuss what you think is right. Let us know what you level of judgement is. And everything above. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:39, 9 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Sysop input requested==<br />
There's a sysop-only vote taking place, and we haven't heard from you yet. Check [[UDWiki:Administration/Discussion#Iscariot.27s_Vandal_Data|here]]. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:23, 9 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Depends. Most companies prefer if you remain friendly, yet professional in relation to your colleagues. Maybe one day you'll have to take a decision that's in the best interest of your company, rather than it's employees. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 19:34, 11 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== [http://www.dealtinlead.com/Character/Profile/Rosslessness This] ==<br />
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You spelt "Einstein" wrong. Now log on and fix it so that I can find and kill you. :P --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 13:19, 14 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:WTF is this shit? can my drunken self sign up to this late 1800's battle and join as "the man with no name" or "the good" or "clint eastwood"? Surely none of them have been taken?!?! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:24, 14 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::There are only 20 players. In such a small environment, I'm an amazing PKer. It's like opposite land.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 13:25, 14 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I got blondie, DW. WTF? wiki same format as pixelpandemic? haliman former crat? rossless name spelled backward?> i dopn't like this game wtf -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:28, 14 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Dangit, you took "Blondie"! Whatever. I'm not playing now. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:18, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::I can't believe I lol'd at this! I love you Aich! Come help me build a town, and help me find out how to make money!!! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 06:25, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::LOL, well, seriously, you named off all of the other names for him I thought of off the top of my head, but I didn't see Blondie, so I figured I might go make that name, and then I see that Blondie is one of the newest characters. Definitely surprised me. Anyway, I'm not really looking for a new game to play at the moment, but definitely got a chuckle. Love that trilogy. Have it in a boxset, even. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:48, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::haha nice! yeah, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is the best movie ever imo. the perfect film. best! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 06:50, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::I just googled the whole thing. Too lazy to fix really. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:38, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Revisions and Submissions ==<br />
<br />
Do you mind if I revise some of my earlier submissions and upload more additions to your Unemplementia city?<br />
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--[[User:TheBardofAwesome|TheBardofAwesome]] 10:50, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Of course. consider this permission to do whatever you want to unimplementia. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:51, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Help ==<br />
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I may need your help with creating a zombie page for the recent update. Go play as a zombie, and you'll see that the safehouse addition works completely different for a zombie. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:42, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Like this and this [[:Image:Set3.PNG]] [[:Image:Set4.PNG]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:44, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::Yes! I don't know how to upload screens like that myself so...--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:45, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Click the print screen button on your keyboard (above insert), and then paste in to a paint. Then you can click the upload button on the left hand side of the wiki.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 15:47, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Thanks. And edit conflict hurr--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:49, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Take a screen capture. Normally. Shift+Printscreen. (Which is above your insert key) save them in mspaint or something, than upload. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:48, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Edit conflict durr--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:49, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Create a new page to explain it? Closest I could find that matches otherwise is this [[Zombie_Skills/Feeding_Groan]]--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:49, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
[[User:Rosslessness/Random Rambling/Sandbox16]] Must really finish these. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:52, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, once I finish with my Suggestions system overhaul, those were next on my list to work on. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:18, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Pointless Job ==<br />
<br />
You want me to update FA? Meh, kay, I'll look into it.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 14:21, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Nah I got that part, next update on the 23rd. Looks like I'll be your slave for the coming weeks {{Tongue}} --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 14:26, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::Its one edit a week. Some of the coding is a bit random, but its a good little test. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:29, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Arbies summaries ==<br />
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I'm up for that. Give me an army of sysop candidates and a whip.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 22:23, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:(As in I'll do it).--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 22:23, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::And a note on all the ones abandoned? Scanning the POV suburb ones is a nightmare. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:25, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like a plan. So, summaries are for the ones in "unsorted", right?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 22:25, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Basically anything saying "Awaiting Summary" --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:26, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::Right, I'll get on it.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 22:27, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Manhunt templates ==<br />
Am I allowed to undelete the ones Poodle made, or will I have to "create my own".--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:33, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Personally. Id undelete them, steal the code, and redelete them. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:39, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::On the topic, when's the manhunt marathon going to be running?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:47, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::[[User:Rosslessness/MM]] I'm still typing. Want to make this the opening event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:53, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Sure. Also, I have queries about Poodle's ratio system, and how you'd deal with it. E.g. I get one kill, my entire group idles. Technically, we'd have infinity points if we weren't killed. What's the deal with that?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:57, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::I believe its the group ratio, not the individual. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:01, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::It can still happen though. I guess we'll just hope for the best and target groups with no deaths. :D --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:04, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::In a month, with no deaths? Highly unlikely. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:05, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well that would make sense, but it's a two-week contest. I'm thinking extension to a month?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:09, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Two weeks is good. Always insert a rule. Most kills win, then ratio if a tie. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:15, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Sounds good.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:18, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Resensitized comments==<br />
If you are soo certain that me posting a unbias statement in the article is wrong because i am a "zerger" then have kevin do a ip check on everyone in the group. It is clear, cut, and dry. [[User:Reviver for all|Reviver for all]] 20:14, 19 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Because everyone knows an IP check is infallible, amirite? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 08:22, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== I have a proposition ==<br />
<br />
I made this mostly out of boredom, and insanity, but you should join my group... its nothing official, just a loose alliance of people who want to remember foremost this is a game :D We are simply... the league of People (Revised) --[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 02:59, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If your wondering why I picked you, i simply looked at the recent changes page and decided you seemed good enough to actually know the game.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 03:14, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==I have a preposition==<br />
<br />
It's "Of". {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 03:09, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== I have a preponderance ==<br />
<br />
...of evidence. It indicates that you are not from America. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:11, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:That's obvious, you wankers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:34, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== I have a preparation ==<br />
<br />
Of ''camellia sinensis'' and Bergamot orange peel stepped in hot water for three minutes, then removed and mixed with vapour-chilled bovine lacation. The flavour is exquisite and refreshing. Would you care for a vaguely cylindrical fired clay container filled with this liquid? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 08:27, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== I have a preference ==<br />
<br />
Lemon.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 09:55, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Really? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:57, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::No, cherry.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:28, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I happen to prefer strawberry myself. Something sweet yet seductive about it.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 13:08, 20 August 2010 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:DangerReport/The_Whatmore_Building&diff=1762239User:DangerReport/The Whatmore Building2010-08-20T05:15:30Z<p>Mikalos209: </p>
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[[Category:NecroTech Building Danger Levels|Whatmore Building]]<br />
[[Category:Yagoton Danger Levels|Whatmore Building]]<br />
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NW_suburb=West Boundwood|<br />
N_suburb=East Boundwood|<br />
NE_suburb=Lamport Hills|<br />
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W_suburb=Shuttlebank|<br />
E_suburb=Millen Hills|<br />
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SW_suburb=Eastonwood|<br />
S_suburb=Brooke Hills|<br />
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'''Yagoton''' is a [[suburb]] of [[Malton]], located in the northern section of the city. Yagoton contains the southern half of [[Bale Mall]]. Before the Outbreak, it had been a older and worn-down section of the city, with many [[factories]], [[junkyards]] and [[warehouses]]. Crime was rampant. Petty theft, break-ins, and assault were common in this area. However, because of the attempts of a neighborhood gentrification, it became one of the hottest night-spots in [[Malton]], with six [[clubs]] and three [[Arms|pubs]]. The city planners also authorized the creation of two police stations, Moorhouse Place and Newbould Place, to stop crime in the suburb. Yagoton was one of the greatest success stories of Malton's city planning committee. Even after the zombie outbreak, it is once again the location of a success story because of the dedicated [[Revivication]] efforts by one of [[Malton]]'s oldest established groups, the [[YRC]]. In the midst of this success is the fact that it is sometimes one of the most dangerous suburbs in the city, probably due to the fact that it contains the southern half of [[Bale Mall]], and the fact that it has inter-suburb fame due to its extremely successful revive point at St. Swithuns church based of out [[The Whatmore Building]], which is often the subject of the antagonizations of hostile zombie and [[Pker]] groups.<br />
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==Resource Buildings==<br />
{{TRP List<br />
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{{User:DangerReport/The Serrell Building|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/The Style Building|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/The Whatmore Building|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|Hospitals=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Catherine General Hospital (Yagoton)|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|PDs=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Hinks Crescent Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Holsgrove Row Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Moorhouse Place Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Newbould Place Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|Factories=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Factory 46,11|template=TRP Status Factory}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Factory 49,10|template=TRP Status Factory}}<br />
|ARSs=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Ainslie Auto Repair|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Pippen Auto Repair|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Tyson Auto Repair|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|Malls=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Bale Mall|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|Boards=<br />
*[[Garner Row]] (47,15)<br />
*[[Hume Walk]] (43,14)<br />
*[[Orders Street]] (43,11)<br />
|RPs=<br />
*[[Harkness Street]] (41,12)<br />
*[[St. Swithun's Church (Yagoton)|St. Swithun's Church]] (45,17)<br />
*[[The Serrell Building]] (49,18)<br />
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==[[Image:AquaInfo.jpg|left|22px]]{{PAGENAME}} Information Resources==<br />
[[Image:AquaInfo.jpg|left|75px]]The [[{{PAGENAME}} Building Information Center]] contains status reports and updates on key buildings in the suburb.<br />
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==[[Image:AquaNews.jpg|left|22px]]Recent News==<br />
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===August===<br />
====August 19th====<br />
The bash has declared itself to have left the suburb, with pockets of survivor rebuilding appearing. Whatmore is holding.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 06:13, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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====August 16th====<br />
The Mall is compromised along with most resource buildings in the suburb. --[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 00:52, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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====August 14th====<br />
The Bash has payed Yagoton a visit. Based on limited radio reports the southern survivor bases have fallen, whatmore is expected to hold til at least sunday.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 03:52, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:The Southern half of the suburb seems to be gone, with radio reports semi-accurate--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 05:00, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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====August 5<sup>th</sup>====<br />
25.96 MHz: "... reporting from Yagoton, I've got thirty or so active ... a horde of twenty or so outside Bale Mall ... lights are on across the suburb ... can't see a single ruined building either ... the Whatmore Building has power ..." -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 13:51, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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===July===<br />
====July 28<sup>th</sup>====<br />
[[Bale Mall]] has been breached; no serious damage done, only one survivor infected. Should be barricaded back up in no time. -- [[User:DeathShad0|DeathShad0]]<br />
01:54, 28 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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====July 27<sup>th</sup>====<br />
[[Bale Mall]] is in survivor hands, however, there is a group of about twenty zeds gathered outside the Southeast corner, and over 30 bodies on the ground. The rest of Yagoton looks clear, not a single ruin, and there are a lot of lights on. Mobile-Phone Mast is up. --{{User:Fifth_Element/sig}} 04:21, 27 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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====July 21<sup>th</sup>====<br />
In a last-ditch effort, the [[Bale Mall]] food court staffers tried to stave off the undead with burgers and fries. Zombies appreciated the gesture so much that they invited the cooks to join them. Bale Mall has fallen. --[[User:Irondragon|Irondrake]] 0:21, 21 July 2010 (CST)<br />
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====July 18<sup>th</sup>====<br />
25.96 MHz: "... reporting from Yagoton, I've got about forty active ... a few outside Bale Mall ... a lot of buildings with lights on ... only a few buildings damaged ... the Style Building has lights on ... Bale Mall is down ..."<br />
:25.96 MHz: "... reporting from Yagoton, I've got about forty active ... maybe a dozen outside Bale Mall ... a lot of buildings with lights on ... infrastructure looks intact ... the Style Building has lights on ..."<br />
:Two broadcasts, four hours apart, looks like a few buildings have been repaired during the time. -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 04:03, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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====July 9<sup>th</sup>====<br />
Things are looking Ok, according to the military things are fine. No power anywhere that I could see though.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 02:15, 10 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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====July 8<sup>th</sup>====<br />
25.96 MHz: "... crossing Yagoton now, can see about forty down there ... mostly just small groups ... several buildings with power ... serious collateral damage ... power's back on at Bale Mall ... the Serrell Building is looking wrecked ..." -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 02:43, 8 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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====July 4<sup>th</sup>====<br />
25.96 MHz: "... crossing Yagoton now, can see nearly a hundred down there ... a few big groups, but they're spread out ... several buildings with power ... serious collateral damage ... Bale Mall has fallen ..." -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 00:26, 5 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Groups==<br />
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*[[The Abandoned]] - The Abandoned is the main survivor group dedicated to keeping the Revive Clinic and the whole of Yagoton safe, having been in operation since September of 2005. They also maintain (and often create) the barricade plans, as well as aiding any other local survivor groups in need.<br />
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*[[Amish Liberation Front]] - ALF has returned to Bale mall in order to kill members of the [[BME]] and their allies who they personally see as little more than PKers.<br />
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*[[The BattleRagers]]- A survivor group that is operating out of the Rounsefell library in southern Yagoton. They are currently working towards riding yagoton of the Zombie menace.<br />
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*[[FFR]] - A survivor group that mostly believes in reviving over killing their fellow man. HQ is at [[Newbould Place Police Department]] : (currently recruiting)<br />
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*[[Cannibal Corps]] - The Cannibal Corps has been patrolling the Yagoton area searching out and destroying Zerging and Pking groups. They have been known to pass out aid and revives to survivors in need.<br />
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*[[Channel 4 News Team]] - We, at the [[Channel 4 News Team]], are all about having fun. You know, get a couple cocktails in us, start a fire in someone's kitchen, then go out and kill a bunch of zombies in one big bilingual blood fest.<br />
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*[[Chocolate Thunder]] - The Chocolate Thunder is a dedicated PKer group that abides by certain "moral" codes.<br />
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*[[Counter Terrorist Unit]] - Counter Terrorist Unit (CTU) Is a small survivor group dedicated to cleansing Yagotown of terrorist (PKers and Death Cultist) and other scum. We also protect the mall, PDs, FDs, NT and other buildings from zombie invasion.<br />
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*[[The Crimson Wolves]]- The Crimson Wolves (formerly the GMSCPIRACPCNC )is a group that has 2 goals. Bounty-hunt targets after proof and permission are given, and annoy zombie hordes. But mostly the latter. And defend Southern Yagoton, and the Rev. Clinic from zombie threats.<br />
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*The [[Disciples of Zeko]]- The Disciples of Zeko are a PKing group led by the man responsible for the [[Valentine's Day Massacre]]. They, or their followers, are currently promoting the [[Whatmore Building]] as a holy murder shrine dedicated to Redzeko, presumably because the building is the location of his ascension. They kill people daily in the [[Whatmore Building]] in the glory of his name and seem to be encouraging others to do likewise.<br />
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*[[DORIS]] has recognized Yagoton as the rightful home of Steve Irwin, and will evict all those Stay <br />
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*[[Elitist Tophat Society]] - The Elitist Tophat Society make their home in Yagoton, sitting lively infront of the fireplace sipping brandy as they twirl their handlebar mustaches.<br />
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*[[The Great Taboo]] - Is One Of The Most Forbidden Groups Living In Malton Secretly Being Run By Pkers For Years And Years With The Blood Cults Going On It Has Proven That They Should Not Be Messed With Not Even [[The Abandoned]] Should Touch Them<br />
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*[[Malton Rangers]] - The Malton Rangers have dispatched a team to the Yagoton area to provide assistance to other groups in cleaning out the suburb and reactivating regular clinic service. The Rangers consider themselves uninvolved in local politics and will aid, assist and protect any native groups or individuals that want a better Malton.<br />
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*[[Malton Response Team G]] - The Malton Response Team G is a pro-survivor group that has formed in December of 2007. The group is dedicated to the safety of Yagoton, and assisting other pro-survivor groups in eliminating the zombie threat, as well as assisting in dealing with any other threats to the safety and resources of the survivors.<br />
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*[[McZeds|McZed's&trade;]] New store opened at [[Club McClean]] (18,47) Where anyone can sit comfortably and enjoy some hot and tasty rotter flesh!<br />
*[[The Neon Knights]] - The Neon Knights call into question the true motives of the Yagoton Revivification Clinic and its staff. They claim (among other things) that the revivification points they and others maintain aren't quite what they seem.<br />
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*[[One Man & His Dog]] - K9 search and rescue group we have all types of lost dogs for you to take on as your guardian. Our main objective is to search the wrecked buildings rescue survivors, remove the threat and barracade.<br />
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*[[The Undeadites]]- This horde of zombies can be seen rampaging throughout the suburb, <s>for how long they'll remain is yet to be seen </s> however they have recently left for greener pastures elsewhere.<br />
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*[[Yagoton Revivification Clinic]] - The Yagoton Revivification Clinic was the first group in Yagoton. It oversees and staffs the Yagoton Revive Clinic.<br />
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*[[Viva la revolution|The Revolution]] - The survivor revolution that promotes unity in the survivor ranks is lookign for members and groups alike ot join in this mission to unify survivors to defeat the zombies.<br />
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* The [[Aardwolf Rangers]] - not much to say here, we let our flaming spears do the talking.<br />
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* The YagoBrew Baristas focus on serving quality coffee and maintaining a refuge for poetry readings near Bale Mall.<br />
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* [[b/|/b/]] - The [[b/|/b/]] zombie group is relatively new to the Yagoton area, and has been assisting [[Death's Embrace]] in the recent attacks on Whatmore and survivors in general. Lately their attacks have stemmed down.<br />
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* [[Death's Embrace]] - The [[Death's Embrace]] zombie group originated from Brooke Hills, intending to take over Yagoton in the same way they did their homeland. While they held the suburb for a few weeks, they have been thought to have left the area due to the successful survivor retaliations.<br />
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* [[The Wraiths]] - This secretive survivor group often operates in the Yagoton area, and is currently rumored to be on a PKer-hunting op.<br />
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* [[Sanitarium]] - This zombie group is visiting Yagoton as part of the Sanitarium Pub Crawl 2007. Their enduring search for pie continues...<br />
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==[[Image:AquaMMI.jpg|left|22px]]Things to do in Yagoton==<br />
*'''Shop 'till you drop''' Down with infection at [[Bale Mall]]. Then get revived. Then shop some more!<br />
*'''Party!''' At one of Yagoton's 6, yes, 6 clubs! By the end of the night, you'll be so drunk, you won't ''care'' when you fall asleep in the street!<br />
*'''Have some coffee!''' At [[Warehouse 44,12|YagoBrew]], where fine staff are ready to serve ''you'' that perfect cup of joe!<br />
*'''Pray for forgiveness!''' for your sins from the previous night at any one of Yagoton's 6 Churches!<br />
*'''Visit the relatives''' At the cemetery!<br />
*'''See the sights''' From some of our tall buildings, which offer panoramic views of up to 3 blocks!<br />
*'''Eat out''' At any one of our [[McZeds (new)|McZeds]] stores! Now serving tender chicken, made from the remains of the CRF!<br />
*'''Get Revived''' at the city-famous [[Yagoton Revification Clinic]]!<br />
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==[[Image:AquaBarricade.jpg|left|22px]] Yagoton Barricade Plan ==<br />
For more information, see [[Yagoton Barricade Plan]].<br />
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{{Yagoton Barricade Plan|Small}}<br />
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==[[Image:AquaCompass.jpg|left|22px]]Suburb Map==<br />
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location100=[[the Tincknell Building]]|location100_color=Building}}</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Rosslessness&diff=1762138User talk:Rosslessness2010-08-20T02:14:27Z<p>Mikalos209: /* I have a proposition */</p>
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Everything random, I've archived...[[User talk:Rosslessness/Archive|here]] [[User talk:Rosslessness/Archive2|and here]] [[User talk:Rosslessness/Archive3|and here,]] [[User talk:Rosslessness/Archive4|and finally here.]] [[User talk:Rosslessness/Archive5|One day even here.]]<br />
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== First ==<br />
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Again.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 23:49, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Thats not what the editing history says. And poodle, give me 24 hours, i'm in negotiations with an incredibly sexy women. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:50, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::Bullshit!! There is no woman!!!! I'm curious to know why the answers can't come to me now? -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 23:52, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Put it like this. I may be able to form a supergroup with some amazing members. As for the woman in question, she puts the "o", in "DSS satellite phone". --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:54, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:Oh, by the way, Dealt in Lead you're a crat, and Pixel Pandemic your an op. I assume these were the ones you referred to?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 00:01, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::yip, really must clear the adbots of the dealt in lead one. But as only 20 people in the world are playing it....... --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 00:09, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Probably because it's darn near impossible to create an account...--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 00:21, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::Persuade me to play this game. I'm currently only down to two active games. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:22, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I'm trying to play, but I can't make an account!{{Grr}}--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 00:25, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Times are updated for the event Ross,... let me know if your interested. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 00:05, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Invitations==<br />
Due to your interest in '''[[EVIL|our]]''' event, as well as the help you have provided to us in the creation of it's page,... I'd like to extend to you the opportunity to invite five groups of individuals. The invitation can be found [[Template:RIAC Invitation|here]]. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 01:11, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Thinking of making a Manhunt All-Stars Ross, you in? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:04, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you don't know already, it's a temporary group to bypass the group only rule in PoD's Manhunt event. ;) --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 10:31, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::It will include the best of the best, plus me for guidance and axe hack for comic relief ;D -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:33, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Just let the horrible PKer do his work! ;D --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 10:35, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Promotions==<br />
Now the 2 weeks are up, I'm hoping you will read everything placed at A/PM (if you didn't already) and make your decision with Boxy. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:09, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:They've already been at it. Boxy's talk is always a good place to check 24 hours before any bid ends, as you will see now.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 23:11, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==The Color of This Page==<br />
It's burninating! [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBsm2HiLubY Do not want!] --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 01:29, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== forum ==<br />
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I'm in the process of setting up some stuff for [[Manhunt All-Stars]], do you know any place that might give us a sub-forum? I don't visit and UD forums unfortunately :( -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 04:49, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:OBR or DSS. Probably the latter. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I just reg'd with the DSS, I might talk to someone there closer to the date. ATM all the high level Manhunter's are ready to join the AllStars sept Soph, will ask her on forums soon. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 14:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I'm technically not ready until I get back in the States on Monday,but that doesn't matter. There's still a long time to go. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 14:46, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Well since soph runs the dss, you're sorted. I apologise for the pointless pm's im sending you over there. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:48, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::OMG, that's you! :D -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 15:11, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::I just reg'd as well. Someone just PM me or whatever when this thing gets set up. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 15:31, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:I could check with the NMC, but I highly doubt it. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 14:33, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Trial Period ==<br />
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I obviouslly have the desire to be a sysop and to uphold the wiki law.<br><br />
But most of the sysops think I can't handle it, or that I would be useless.<br><br />
Well, What if you guys made me a mini-sysop. I could vote on vandal cases, I '''can't''' ban users though. I can delete pages on A/SD or A/D.<br><br />
And if over time, you guys think I'm useless to the sysop team, then you can say sianara and demote me back to what I am now. PLEASE! This is all I want in life!(not really that bad, but I want it). So, What do you think, and what do you think the other sysops will think.--{{User:Jerrel Yokotory/signature}}. 21:37, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:That's not how it works. You don't fit the criteria to be a sysop, and you don't have community support. This policy (which wouldn't work because of the wiki groups we have atm) would be better suited to people like Thad. He got fairly even support and fits a good amount of the criteria. You should work towards that, instead of asking for trial periods. We shouldn't have to give you the benefit of the doubt, you should ''compell'' us to support you.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 21:47, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::As Yonn said, there are policies dictating how promotions work, and if Ross or boxy (or anyone else, *cough*) were to promote you without going through the proper procedures, you can bet that they'd be Misconducted and you'd be demoted almost immediately. Besides which, a promotion of the nature you specify isn't even ''technically'' possible, since when they promote people, you get everything that the rank can do, not just some parts of it. And the sysops aren't some club that decides whether to let you in or not; it's the community that decides who becomes a sysop, and the 'crats just make the final decision based off of the community. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:17, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Technically, you (and every other user) are on a "trial-period" where you can rule in on a case. It's called the [[UDWiki talk:Administration/Vandal Banning/Archive/2010 08|A/VB Talk Page]]. Put your input on a case up there, make a well worded argument, and you'll be able to show people your interest in the system (and maybe even sway a few administrative votes on the case).<br />
:'''Remember: Actions speak louder than words.''' You can express your desire to be a sysop all you want, but untill you start ''acting'' like you deserve the role, you aren't going to get it. If you're wondering how to "act the role," look into all the advice people have been giving you over the past months. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 23:09, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Wanting it so bad, seemingly only for the sake of having it, is actually a pretty good reason not to give it to you. Go do something constructive on the wiki <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 23:34 6 August 2010 (BST)</span></small><br />
::Exactly, you've basically begged us to just be able to spurt shit around the drama parts and not help out in the actual wiki, when you're qualified to do neither. Good work. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 01:19, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:You see, your problem is that you don't understand politics. Asking to be a sysop is like proposing to be wed. The more you do it, the less people will want to give it to you. Forget the whole concept of you being sysop. Unless someone asks you about it, don't even mention it until someone eventually nominates you. That way, you won't let your own hubris ruin your chances like it is. Focus solely on improving the wiki like any other common person. You know how, and you've clearly been doing this, but what you've done so far just isn't enough. You need to flood the wiki with examples of your devotion to it. Force everyone to see how helpful you are, give helpful opinions even on topics that don't concern you, and make some friends. I really think you could be a sysop one day, but until you're better than every other common person, don't bother with all this sysop stuff. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 00:55, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::^^^^^. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:06, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Basically. Use the talk pages, to discuss what you think is right. Let us know what you level of judgement is. And everything above. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:39, 9 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Sysop input requested==<br />
There's a sysop-only vote taking place, and we haven't heard from you yet. Check [[UDWiki:Administration/Discussion#Iscariot.27s_Vandal_Data|here]]. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:23, 9 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Depends. Most companies prefer if you remain friendly, yet professional in relation to your colleagues. Maybe one day you'll have to take a decision that's in the best interest of your company, rather than it's employees. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 19:34, 11 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== [http://www.dealtinlead.com/Character/Profile/Rosslessness This] ==<br />
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You spelt "Einstein" wrong. Now log on and fix it so that I can find and kill you. :P --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 13:19, 14 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:WTF is this shit? can my drunken self sign up to this late 1800's battle and join as "the man with no name" or "the good" or "clint eastwood"? Surely none of them have been taken?!?! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:24, 14 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::There are only 20 players. In such a small environment, I'm an amazing PKer. It's like opposite land.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 13:25, 14 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I got blondie, DW. WTF? wiki same format as pixelpandemic? haliman former crat? rossless name spelled backward?> i dopn't like this game wtf -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:28, 14 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Dangit, you took "Blondie"! Whatever. I'm not playing now. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:18, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::I can't believe I lol'd at this! I love you Aich! Come help me build a town, and help me find out how to make money!!! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 06:25, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::LOL, well, seriously, you named off all of the other names for him I thought of off the top of my head, but I didn't see Blondie, so I figured I might go make that name, and then I see that Blondie is one of the newest characters. Definitely surprised me. Anyway, I'm not really looking for a new game to play at the moment, but definitely got a chuckle. Love that trilogy. Have it in a boxset, even. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:48, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::haha nice! yeah, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is the best movie ever imo. the perfect film. best! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 06:50, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::I just googled the whole thing. Too lazy to fix really. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:38, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Revisions and Submissions ==<br />
<br />
Do you mind if I revise some of my earlier submissions and upload more additions to your Unemplementia city?<br />
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--[[User:TheBardofAwesome|TheBardofAwesome]] 10:50, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Of course. consider this permission to do whatever you want to unimplementia. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:51, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Help ==<br />
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I may need your help with creating a zombie page for the recent update. Go play as a zombie, and you'll see that the safehouse addition works completely different for a zombie. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:42, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Like this and this [[:Image:Set3.PNG]] [[:Image:Set4.PNG]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:44, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::Yes! I don't know how to upload screens like that myself so...--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:45, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Click the print screen button on your keyboard (above insert), and then paste in to a paint. Then you can click the upload button on the left hand side of the wiki.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 15:47, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Thanks. And edit conflict hurr--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:49, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Take a screen capture. Normally. Shift+Printscreen. (Which is above your insert key) save them in mspaint or something, than upload. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:48, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Edit conflict durr--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:49, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Create a new page to explain it? Closest I could find that matches otherwise is this [[Zombie_Skills/Feeding_Groan]]--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:49, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
[[User:Rosslessness/Random Rambling/Sandbox16]] Must really finish these. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:52, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, once I finish with my Suggestions system overhaul, those were next on my list to work on. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:18, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Pointless Job ==<br />
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You want me to update FA? Meh, kay, I'll look into it.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 14:21, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Nah I got that part, next update on the 23rd. Looks like I'll be your slave for the coming weeks {{Tongue}} --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 14:26, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::Its one edit a week. Some of the coding is a bit random, but its a good little test. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:29, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Arbies summaries ==<br />
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I'm up for that. Give me an army of sysop candidates and a whip.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 22:23, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:(As in I'll do it).--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 22:23, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::And a note on all the ones abandoned? Scanning the POV suburb ones is a nightmare. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:25, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like a plan. So, summaries are for the ones in "unsorted", right?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 22:25, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Basically anything saying "Awaiting Summary" --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:26, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::Right, I'll get on it.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 22:27, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Manhunt templates ==<br />
Am I allowed to undelete the ones Poodle made, or will I have to "create my own".--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:33, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Personally. Id undelete them, steal the code, and redelete them. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:39, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::On the topic, when's the manhunt marathon going to be running?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:47, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::[[User:Rosslessness/MM]] I'm still typing. Want to make this the opening event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:53, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Sure. Also, I have queries about Poodle's ratio system, and how you'd deal with it. E.g. I get one kill, my entire group idles. Technically, we'd have infinity points if we weren't killed. What's the deal with that?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:57, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::I believe its the group ratio, not the individual. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:01, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::It can still happen though. I guess we'll just hope for the best and target groups with no deaths. :D --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:04, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::In a month, with no deaths? Highly unlikely. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:05, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well that would make sense, but it's a two-week contest. I'm thinking extension to a month?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:09, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Two weeks is good. Always insert a rule. Most kills win, then ratio if a tie. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:15, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Sounds good.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:18, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Resensitized comments==<br />
If you are soo certain that me posting a unbias statement in the article is wrong because i am a "zerger" then have kevin do a ip check on everyone in the group. It is clear, cut, and dry. [[User:Reviver for all|Reviver for all]] 20:14, 19 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== I have a proposition ==<br />
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I made this mostly out of boredom, and insanity, but you should join my group... its nothing official, just a loose alliance of people who want to remember foremost this is a game :D We are simply... the league of People (Revised) --[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 02:59, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If your wondering why I picked you, i simply looked at the recent changes page and decided you seemed good enough to actually know the game.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 03:14, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==I have a preposition==<br />
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It's "Of". {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 03:09, 20 August 2010 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=League_of_People_(Revised)&diff=1762137League of People (Revised)2010-08-20T02:12:27Z<p>Mikalos209: per my choice, grammer is not followed.</p>
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<div>{{Groupbox<br />
|group_name= League of People (Revised)<br />
|group_image= <br />
|group_abbrev= LP(r)<br />
|group_membership= Eh.<br />
|group_leaders= Commun-anarc-faci-blahist State<br />
|group_goals= Be people playing a game about a zombie Apocalypse. <br />
|group_recruit= Go ahead.<br />
|group_contact= Group Talk or member talks<br />
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Our "Group" serves not to push the agenda of Pkers (and varieties thereof), Survivors (And varieties thereof) and zombies. It serves to remind people this is a game, meant to be enjoyed. Therefor, there is no forum, real leadership or intent beyond pointless reminding. We welcome all three type of player, and discriminate against none.<br />
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Simply put, we are pointless, but in that pointlessness, we have purpose.<br />
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=Simple Rules=<br />
*Play the game<br />
*Don't bitch about mega hordes or survivor alliances<br />
*Don't bitch that we make no sense, we already know that.</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=League_of_People_(Revised)&diff=1762130League of People (Revised)2010-08-20T02:08:56Z<p>Mikalos209: New page: {{Groupbox |group_name= League of People (Revised) |group_image= |group_abbrev= LP(r) |group_membership= Eh. |group_leaders= Commun-anarc-faci-blahist State |group_goals= Be people ...</p>
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<div>{{Groupbox<br />
|group_name= League of People (Revised)<br />
|group_image= <br />
|group_abbrev= LP(r)<br />
|group_membership= Eh.<br />
|group_leaders= Commun-anarc-faci-blahist State<br />
|group_goals= Be people playing a game about a zombie Apocalypse. <br />
|group_recruit= Go ahead.<br />
|group_contact= Group Talk or member talks<br />
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}}<br />
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Our "Group" serves not to push the agenda of Pkers (and varieties thereof), Survivors (And varieties thereof) and zombies. It serves to remind people this is a game, meant to be enjoye. Therefor, there is no forum, real leadership or intent beyond pointless reminding. We welcome all three type of player, and discriminate against none.<br />
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Simply put, we are pointless, but in that pointlessness, we have purpose.</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Rosslessness&diff=1762122User talk:Rosslessness2010-08-20T01:59:46Z<p>Mikalos209: I have a proposition</p>
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Everything random, I've archived...[[User talk:Rosslessness/Archive|here]] [[User talk:Rosslessness/Archive2|and here]] [[User talk:Rosslessness/Archive3|and here,]] [[User talk:Rosslessness/Archive4|and finally here.]] [[User talk:Rosslessness/Archive5|One day even here.]]<br />
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== First ==<br />
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Again.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 23:49, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Thats not what the editing history says. And poodle, give me 24 hours, i'm in negotiations with an incredibly sexy women. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:50, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::Bullshit!! There is no woman!!!! I'm curious to know why the answers can't come to me now? -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 23:52, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Put it like this. I may be able to form a supergroup with some amazing members. As for the woman in question, she puts the "o", in "DSS satellite phone". --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:54, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:Oh, by the way, Dealt in Lead you're a crat, and Pixel Pandemic your an op. I assume these were the ones you referred to?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 00:01, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::yip, really must clear the adbots of the dealt in lead one. But as only 20 people in the world are playing it....... --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 00:09, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Probably because it's darn near impossible to create an account...--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 00:21, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::Persuade me to play this game. I'm currently only down to two active games. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:22, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I'm trying to play, but I can't make an account!{{Grr}}--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 00:25, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Times are updated for the event Ross,... let me know if your interested. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 00:05, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Invitations==<br />
Due to your interest in '''[[EVIL|our]]''' event, as well as the help you have provided to us in the creation of it's page,... I'd like to extend to you the opportunity to invite five groups of individuals. The invitation can be found [[Template:RIAC Invitation|here]]. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 01:11, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Thinking of making a Manhunt All-Stars Ross, you in? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:04, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you don't know already, it's a temporary group to bypass the group only rule in PoD's Manhunt event. ;) --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 10:31, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::It will include the best of the best, plus me for guidance and axe hack for comic relief ;D -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:33, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Just let the horrible PKer do his work! ;D --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 10:35, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Promotions==<br />
Now the 2 weeks are up, I'm hoping you will read everything placed at A/PM (if you didn't already) and make your decision with Boxy. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:09, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:They've already been at it. Boxy's talk is always a good place to check 24 hours before any bid ends, as you will see now.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 23:11, 3 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==The Color of This Page==<br />
It's burninating! [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBsm2HiLubY Do not want!] --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 01:29, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== forum ==<br />
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I'm in the process of setting up some stuff for [[Manhunt All-Stars]], do you know any place that might give us a sub-forum? I don't visit and UD forums unfortunately :( -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 04:49, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:OBR or DSS. Probably the latter. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I just reg'd with the DSS, I might talk to someone there closer to the date. ATM all the high level Manhunter's are ready to join the AllStars sept Soph, will ask her on forums soon. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 14:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I'm technically not ready until I get back in the States on Monday,but that doesn't matter. There's still a long time to go. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 14:46, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Well since soph runs the dss, you're sorted. I apologise for the pointless pm's im sending you over there. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:48, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::OMG, that's you! :D -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 15:11, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::I just reg'd as well. Someone just PM me or whatever when this thing gets set up. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 15:31, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:I could check with the NMC, but I highly doubt it. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 14:33, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Trial Period ==<br />
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I obviouslly have the desire to be a sysop and to uphold the wiki law.<br><br />
But most of the sysops think I can't handle it, or that I would be useless.<br><br />
Well, What if you guys made me a mini-sysop. I could vote on vandal cases, I '''can't''' ban users though. I can delete pages on A/SD or A/D.<br><br />
And if over time, you guys think I'm useless to the sysop team, then you can say sianara and demote me back to what I am now. PLEASE! This is all I want in life!(not really that bad, but I want it). So, What do you think, and what do you think the other sysops will think.--{{User:Jerrel Yokotory/signature}}. 21:37, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:That's not how it works. You don't fit the criteria to be a sysop, and you don't have community support. This policy (which wouldn't work because of the wiki groups we have atm) would be better suited to people like Thad. He got fairly even support and fits a good amount of the criteria. You should work towards that, instead of asking for trial periods. We shouldn't have to give you the benefit of the doubt, you should ''compell'' us to support you.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 21:47, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::As Yonn said, there are policies dictating how promotions work, and if Ross or boxy (or anyone else, *cough*) were to promote you without going through the proper procedures, you can bet that they'd be Misconducted and you'd be demoted almost immediately. Besides which, a promotion of the nature you specify isn't even ''technically'' possible, since when they promote people, you get everything that the rank can do, not just some parts of it. And the sysops aren't some club that decides whether to let you in or not; it's the community that decides who becomes a sysop, and the 'crats just make the final decision based off of the community. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:17, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Technically, you (and every other user) are on a "trial-period" where you can rule in on a case. It's called the [[UDWiki talk:Administration/Vandal Banning/Archive/2010 08|A/VB Talk Page]]. Put your input on a case up there, make a well worded argument, and you'll be able to show people your interest in the system (and maybe even sway a few administrative votes on the case).<br />
:'''Remember: Actions speak louder than words.''' You can express your desire to be a sysop all you want, but untill you start ''acting'' like you deserve the role, you aren't going to get it. If you're wondering how to "act the role," look into all the advice people have been giving you over the past months. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 23:09, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Wanting it so bad, seemingly only for the sake of having it, is actually a pretty good reason not to give it to you. Go do something constructive on the wiki <small>-- <span style="text-shadow: #bbb 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">[[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 23:34 6 August 2010 (BST)</span></small><br />
::Exactly, you've basically begged us to just be able to spurt shit around the drama parts and not help out in the actual wiki, when you're qualified to do neither. Good work. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 01:19, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:You see, your problem is that you don't understand politics. Asking to be a sysop is like proposing to be wed. The more you do it, the less people will want to give it to you. Forget the whole concept of you being sysop. Unless someone asks you about it, don't even mention it until someone eventually nominates you. That way, you won't let your own hubris ruin your chances like it is. Focus solely on improving the wiki like any other common person. You know how, and you've clearly been doing this, but what you've done so far just isn't enough. You need to flood the wiki with examples of your devotion to it. Force everyone to see how helpful you are, give helpful opinions even on topics that don't concern you, and make some friends. I really think you could be a sysop one day, but until you're better than every other common person, don't bother with all this sysop stuff. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 00:55, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::^^^^^. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:06, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Basically. Use the talk pages, to discuss what you think is right. Let us know what you level of judgement is. And everything above. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:39, 9 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Sysop input requested==<br />
There's a sysop-only vote taking place, and we haven't heard from you yet. Check [[UDWiki:Administration/Discussion#Iscariot.27s_Vandal_Data|here]]. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 20:23, 9 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Depends. Most companies prefer if you remain friendly, yet professional in relation to your colleagues. Maybe one day you'll have to take a decision that's in the best interest of your company, rather than it's employees. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 19:34, 11 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== [http://www.dealtinlead.com/Character/Profile/Rosslessness This] ==<br />
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You spelt "Einstein" wrong. Now log on and fix it so that I can find and kill you. :P --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 13:19, 14 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:WTF is this shit? can my drunken self sign up to this late 1800's battle and join as "the man with no name" or "the good" or "clint eastwood"? Surely none of them have been taken?!?! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:24, 14 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::There are only 20 players. In such a small environment, I'm an amazing PKer. It's like opposite land.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 13:25, 14 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I got blondie, DW. WTF? wiki same format as pixelpandemic? haliman former crat? rossless name spelled backward?> i dopn't like this game wtf -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:28, 14 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Dangit, you took "Blondie"! Whatever. I'm not playing now. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:18, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::I can't believe I lol'd at this! I love you Aich! Come help me build a town, and help me find out how to make money!!! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 06:25, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::LOL, well, seriously, you named off all of the other names for him I thought of off the top of my head, but I didn't see Blondie, so I figured I might go make that name, and then I see that Blondie is one of the newest characters. Definitely surprised me. Anyway, I'm not really looking for a new game to play at the moment, but definitely got a chuckle. Love that trilogy. Have it in a boxset, even. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:48, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::haha nice! yeah, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is the best movie ever imo. the perfect film. best! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 06:50, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::I just googled the whole thing. Too lazy to fix really. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:38, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Revisions and Submissions ==<br />
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Do you mind if I revise some of my earlier submissions and upload more additions to your Unemplementia city?<br />
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--[[User:TheBardofAwesome|TheBardofAwesome]] 10:50, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Of course. consider this permission to do whatever you want to unimplementia. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:51, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Help ==<br />
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I may need your help with creating a zombie page for the recent update. Go play as a zombie, and you'll see that the safehouse addition works completely different for a zombie. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:42, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Like this and this [[:Image:Set3.PNG]] [[:Image:Set4.PNG]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:44, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::Yes! I don't know how to upload screens like that myself so...--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:45, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Click the print screen button on your keyboard (above insert), and then paste in to a paint. Then you can click the upload button on the left hand side of the wiki.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 15:47, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Thanks. And edit conflict hurr--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:49, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Take a screen capture. Normally. Shift+Printscreen. (Which is above your insert key) save them in mspaint or something, than upload. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:48, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Edit conflict durr--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:49, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Create a new page to explain it? Closest I could find that matches otherwise is this [[Zombie_Skills/Feeding_Groan]]--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:49, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
[[User:Rosslessness/Random Rambling/Sandbox16]] Must really finish these. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:52, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, once I finish with my Suggestions system overhaul, those were next on my list to work on. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:18, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Pointless Job ==<br />
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You want me to update FA? Meh, kay, I'll look into it.--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 14:21, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Nah I got that part, next update on the 23rd. Looks like I'll be your slave for the coming weeks {{Tongue}} --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 14:26, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::Its one edit a week. Some of the coding is a bit random, but its a good little test. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:29, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Arbies summaries ==<br />
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I'm up for that. Give me an army of sysop candidates and a whip.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 22:23, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:(As in I'll do it).--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 22:23, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::And a note on all the ones abandoned? Scanning the POV suburb ones is a nightmare. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:25, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like a plan. So, summaries are for the ones in "unsorted", right?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 22:25, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Basically anything saying "Awaiting Summary" --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:26, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::Right, I'll get on it.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 22:27, 17 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Manhunt templates ==<br />
Am I allowed to undelete the ones Poodle made, or will I have to "create my own".--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:33, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Personally. Id undelete them, steal the code, and redelete them. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:39, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::On the topic, when's the manhunt marathon going to be running?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:47, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::[[User:Rosslessness/MM]] I'm still typing. Want to make this the opening event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:53, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Sure. Also, I have queries about Poodle's ratio system, and how you'd deal with it. E.g. I get one kill, my entire group idles. Technically, we'd have infinity points if we weren't killed. What's the deal with that?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:57, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::I believe its the group ratio, not the individual. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:01, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::It can still happen though. I guess we'll just hope for the best and target groups with no deaths. :D --{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:04, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::In a month, with no deaths? Highly unlikely. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:05, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well that would make sense, but it's a two-week contest. I'm thinking extension to a month?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:09, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Two weeks is good. Always insert a rule. Most kills win, then ratio if a tie. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:15, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Sounds good.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:18, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Resensitized comments==<br />
If you are soo certain that me posting a unbias statement in the article is wrong because i am a "zerger" then have kevin do a ip check on everyone in the group. It is clear, cut, and dry. [[User:Reviver for all|Reviver for all]] 20:14, 19 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== I have a proposition ==<br />
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I made this mostly out of boredom, and insanity, but you should join my group... its nothing official, just a loose alliance of people who want to remember foremost this is a game :D We are simply... the league of People (Revised) --[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 02:59, 20 August 2010 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=1762099User talk:Kevan2010-08-20T00:42:11Z<p>Mikalos209: /* Because I can't think of another place to put it */</p>
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==Three Minutes...==<br />
...Since anyone last commented you on here. Very upsetting. How's everything going with the game? Is everything good?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:What are you talking about? Scroll down to the bottom, haha. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:42, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:You're a funny one. Also, the page's confusing because Kevan doesn't state to put new stuff at the bottom or top, unfortunately, so people go with wherever their own preference is. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:59, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::I tend to look for a trend. Unfortunately, it turns out that the trend i followed only applied for the two posts i read.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 20:06, 13 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville Badges==<br />
Just so you know there are survivors (although very few) that are still roaming around in Monroeville. It would be nice if you could give some kind of emblematic badge of appreciation for the few that made it this far. I hope thats not asking too much, but for staying alive this long its quiet a feat to accomplish and deserves some kind of reward.<br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 02:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Monroeville Airlift==<br />
Hi Kevan,<br />
I am one of the few remaining survivors in Monroeville. With the Christmas update being implemented, I was curious to know if I set up a Christmas tree and some lights in a building for a few days, would a Helicopter come by and take my character to Malton? I don't want to do something in vain that could end up killing my character that has survived for ten months... <br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 06:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:hey Evildiehard, i'm The Last Unlucky Guy, we were in harvey's group together, i like that idea, can i get in on it too? Getting my character out of Monroeville would be great, i've grown too attached to him and if i got killed, especially after going solo, and survivng for this time, it would really suck :( --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==clothing suggestions==<br />
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Hi, long time no see. I've got another question about clothing. I see that you haven't implemented any new clothing for almost a year and the pages in question are receiving little to no traffic. Are you still in need of new Clothing ideas [[Clothes/Suggestions|Suggestions]] or can I close the page and move everything into their relevant archives?--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Will donate for awesome clothing ==<br />
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Basically, I was just wondering that if I donated $50AU or something, that maybe you might code in some blood-proof clothing, just for moi? I mean, it's a decent chunk of funds as all... --{{User:Medico/sig}} 01:30, 26 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Broken Wiki page ==<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1271116&oldid=1270525<br />
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The page I want is the last edit that I made for if, and I have no idea what went wrong. Someone directed me here... --<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span></font><sup> [[User_talk:Haliman111|T]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 00:44, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Iwitness typo==<br />
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Got really bored, and noticed there was a typo.<br />
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"What does it mean if a record is PUBLIC or PRIVATE?<br />
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Public records are just that- anybody can (if they take the time to look) find them and look at the information they contain. Private records are hidden in directories whose contents are not open to the public view, and the random number string appended to the end of the file name makes it impossible for anybody to find them through luck or accident. "Private" records are in fact so hard to locate that if you don't record their location, '''you'll never them again'''. That's OK when you just want to share a quick secret with some friends in a private chat room or secure forum, though- just copy the link and paste it somewhere you and you friends can find it, but others will not see it!<br />
User accounts do provide a way to retrieve all of the private records a user creates while logged into that account, so while still quite private, they are not going to vanish. User accounts also potentially allow for other levels of security; all of these are essentially private records that only certain people can see, or which do not display all of the details of the record in order to protect the privacy and safety of "innocent bystanders". <br />
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http://www.urbandead.info/iwitness/iwitness_FAQ.php#security<br />
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--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup></font> 15:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Check your talk page, {{usr|Haliman111}}. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:36, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Suicide Repair ==<br />
Most of the time it isn't easy to let a building reach the higher levels of decay and takes the effort of multiply zombie players. Lately as more buildings reach higher level of decay we see a raise in suicide repairs. Where survivors just spent all their AP and more to repair a long time ruined building and prepare to get eaten and revived. If suicide repairing was not what you where going for with the implemention of decay, please consider changes like: <br />
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a)Make it impossible to spent more AP on repairing than are left to this character, and probably setting a cap at 45AP as a maximum for decay. <br />
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or b)Repair only removes some part of the decay level and not all at once. Probably like tearing down barricades.<br />
--[[User:Experiment211|Experiment211]] 21:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I second option B. Option A could be exploited by people who wait until they have 2 or 3 AP left before running in to repair for 1 or 2 AP. B makes a lot of sense, I think. --[[User:Drugsanimudongs|Drugsanimudongs]] 17:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Errr... I read your suggestion wrong, Experiment211. Ignore my exploit theory! I still support B, though.<br />
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== Database error on the wiki ==<br />
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I have been getting the following message after making edits: <br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry '20534' for key 1 (localhost)".<br />
Retrieved from "http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category_talk:Historical_Groups"<br />
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The edits seem to be working, however. This bug just took place twice on the Historical Groups Talk/Voting page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:13, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I just got one on the same page. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ditto. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:06, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Happened to me too today.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:57, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Database error<br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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Is also appearing when searching brain rot in the Suggestions and Talk Suggestions namespaces.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Erg. I've had some server trouble lately, I'll take a look at it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:21, 27 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yesterday it was still doing this... It's rare as of late, it seems-- it was happening with almost every edit for a bit there -- but it *did* happen yesterday again.... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
:::Just hit the same after searching for brain in images. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:21, 3 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I've repaired the database, it should be okay now. Let me know if any error messages still creep through, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==A Little Idea for Group Affiliations==<br />
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I've had an idea and would like to submit it for your consideration. Would it be possible to add in the option of a URL link added to a player's group affiliation, a la the current system with the 'Real Name' links? This would be very useful for players looking to join a group and for groups looking to recruit players, especially zombie groups who lack the ability to spray-paint places without death-culting. Whilst the RN link is used by some, myself included, for recruitment, more likely than not the majority will simply not bother clicking it after the first few times they have done that on a profile have taken them to YouTube songs or Rick-rolls. A link under the group affiliation would draw more desirable attention. <br />
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There are two ways in which I could see this working: The first is to have the group affiliation act in the same way as the Real Life link, with the player choosing the URL; the second would be to have the GA act as the list of confirmed groups on the stats page does: An automatic link to the wiki page of said confirmed group. My personal belief is that the latter would be the superior option, so as to avoid abuse via unsavoury links which would undermine trust in the system (this is of course going under the assumption that you have a system which makes the links appear automatically on the stats page, rather than having to add them all in yourself of course).<br />
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Just my thought for the early morning. <br />
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Regards. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 04:37, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Please make your suggestions here: [[:Category:Current Suggestions]]. Seriously Moloch, you have been around long enough to know how suggestions are handled. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:40, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::FWIW, my personal version of 'ActOnProfile' already modifies the group name to be a link to the wiki page for that group. Its pretty handy, even if just to find out the group has no page. A fancier GM script could easily determine if the page actually exists, and not make it a link if it doesn't, which would be nice. Server side code could likely do the same thing better. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:02, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Copyright question ==<br />
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after playing Urban dead I had an idea making it into a warcraft 3 map and before I release 1: may I release a map made by maps and the same idea of urban dead and with its name/s 2: are there any requires you want? for example I could advertise for the site every 5 mins(I can have the map do that for me)I have all ready given credit to Urban dead and if you want I can give direct credit to you also<small>—The preceding {{wikipedia|Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages|unsigned}} comment was added by [[User:Undeadpope|Undeadpope]] ([[User talk:Undeadpope|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Undeadpope|contribs]]) 23:42, 6 August 2008.</small><br />
:l2english.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:34, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:If it's clearly presented as an unofficial fan project, and isn't making any money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:51, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==IP hits and construction==<br />
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If I repair a badly damaged building (15ap etc.) Is that one IP hit or 15? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:32, 9 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'd be one. it's a measure of how many times you refresh the map page not ap. The only exception (as far as i'm aware) is syringe manufacture which is 20.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I thought i was getting more than my regular action. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:32, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Is that confirmed or just a guess?--<span style="cursor:crosshair">Kooks</span> 22:50, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::It's certainly incorrect. I repaired a building costing 134ap and still had more than enough IP hits to play my other characters.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville and headshot==<br />
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All the high level survivors I know (about 30) have been holding out for the return of perma-death headshot with the quarantine. I see the quarantine is back, but everything still says that headshot is not permanent. Is this the case? If you're not bringing it back then you might as well close down the server or at least tell us officially. Because as currently constituted only one side can win, and though we could probably prolong things indefinitely I fail to see the point.<br />
--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 03:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:I couldn't agree more with this post. Staying alive as a member of an organized group in Monroeville is possible but it takes a large amount of coordination and effort. I fail to see the "game" part of current Monroeville on the survivor side, something permanent headshot would bring to the table. If balance is an issue, I'm sure the zombie side would love to have non-curable Infectious Bite. --[[User:Calem|Calem]] 10:09, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::The evidence of the most recent opening of Monroeville suggests that it takes about 6 weeks for the city to go from totally survivor-dominated to totally destroyed with the survivors on the run and hiding in the wreckage. Therefore, it seems to me that the most fun and interesting way to do it would be to run Monroeville in cycles. Every five to six weeks or so switch the rules to give one side or the other the advantage. So, having now had an extened Zombie Friendly period of time, you allow the Survivors to have their turn for a month and a half with closed borders and "permanent" (until the next cycle) headshot. Then re-open it to new admissions with the usual "Zombies stand back up" rules for a month and a half, then close it again and so on and so forth. That way, both sides always have something to look forward to and there's always something to plan for. Frankly, this solution still favors the Zombies somewhat in that a dead Survivor still never gets a chance to come back to life, but its significantly more fair than the current situation where Survivors can never repair a building for more than a couple of days before getting buried under a tide of zombies. While that may accurately reflect the desperate conditions of the later Dead movies and some of the supporting fiction, its not much fun to be a Survivor under these circumstances, and this is a game. --[[User:jng2058|jng2058]] 12:54, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Agreed. Right now Monroeville is only a game of attrition with an inevitable (tedious) end. Maybe that's in keeping with Romero's cannon, but it puts survivors in an unwinnable position and leaves the zombies without enough challenge to stave off boredom. If the game's going to be left open, then since zombies are in the advantage right now (by 4:1) why not restore headshot and see what happens? [[User:CoopVancer|CoopVancer]] 21:34, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Actually Coop- if you think about it- zombie take over isn't necessary canon in the zombie/post-apoc genre nor Romero canon, but merely an outcome of the core theme. What destroys the humans isn't the zombies, which are fairly weak, but their failure to overcome their individual self interest and cooperate. Restoring headshot would work now consistent with the canon. Headshot is something survivors learn with experience. At present, most of the survivors, don't have the XP to have headshot. <br />
::::: So I guess this is down to a test of wills then? Of humanity? How long can humans survive before break down, succumb to anarchy, or make a mistake and get eaten? '''We will not.''' Survivors will not descend into madness. We will survive under these horrible conditions! '''We will be ever vigilant!''' ''(until an emergency comes up in real life, then we're pretty much zombie-food)'' [[User:Bystander|Bystander]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Bystander, I recommend the buddy system. Give someone in your group your PW so they can move you in an emergency.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 00:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your reading is correct that perma-headshot isn't returning.--[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Will there be any type of reward for x number of survivors remaining? ==<br />
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I'm just going to say the only reason to ask this is because what the point of trying to survive if the hoard of zombies will eventually take over all? All i want to know is there anything that actually would give hope to the survivors?<br />
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:Yeah, it would be nice if the last 100 survivors were transported to Malton with text like "NAME survived the second Monroeville quarantine." or "NAME was one of the last 100 to die in Monroeville." on their profile page. --[[User:BetterLuck|BetterLuck]] 23:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::I hope something happens that's good at least for survivors, now they outnumber us way too much now--[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 15:44, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Monroeville Characters ==<br />
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I was just wondering if you had any plans for allowing players to have their Monroeville character's account moved to Malton. I just want to know because I happen to really like my MV character from an RP perspective and would like to play as him in a city that isn't completely ruined and dead... or at least use his name for a character in Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 03:08, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:No - you can transfer donation flags, but not characters. If you want to roleplay the same character in Malton, just create a new account with a slightly different name. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
How do you transfer donation flags from a Monroeville character to a Malton one? Thanks. --[[User:Alias81|Alias81]] 13:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just go to your "settings" page and enter a name. I've now added this to the [http://urbandead.com/faq.html#monroedonate FAQ]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Don't fucking jimmy me, jules. ==<br />
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I swear that 84 minutes almost pushed me over the brink...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:34, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, it looks like the wiki backups are pushing the server over the brink as well, from sheer weight of data, to the point of actually overheating the machine. I'm going to have to do another archive-history purge, as it's been a long time since the last one. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::NOOOOOO! Not the memories! Take anything but the memories! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:30, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::What about all teh lulz?!?!?!?!? Jed! ACTIVATE LULZ PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. CODE RED!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:44, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::OMG DID YOU SAY <big><big><big><big><font color="red">CODE RED?!?!?!?!</font></big></big></big></big>--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Good man. You'll do me proud yet. btw Kevan we just bought UD shirts so hopefully that means you don't have to go ahead with this "purging" business...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:48, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yeah i've thrown my best days into UD and my best money too. The least you could do is buy more server space so that a purge need never happen again. What if we need to check back over to see who made an edit? Or find long lost lulz? I mean [[2 Cool]] have a variety of quality projects using that space. [[ALiM]], [[ELiM]], [[Great Fire of 1912]], [[Sir Dick Longman]], [[Suburb Nicknames]], [[Colloquialisms]] and [[Malton Girl on Girl Parade]] all spring to mind. Of course there are many many more worthy pages created in the name of [[Kevanism|Kevan]], this is just a tasty sampling.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:53, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Stop blatantly spamming your endless vomit pile of useless wiki projects.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 11:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Quality projects using the ''page history'' space? If there's something good in there that's been deleted for wiki policy reasons, can't you host it somewhere else where people will actually find it? --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well if there is that's what we'll do. By the way - whilst I'm here, can I get your thoughts on [[ALiM|this page]]. Totally just out of interest and not fishing for an endorsement to stick in the first sentence of the article... And did you purposely give some of the locations amusing names or was it all the result of some cosmic event?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:22, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Also thanks for the recognition that they are in fact quality. And yes page history contains lols and should be kept for this reason. For example [[User:J3D/lol@finis|this particular work]] would never have been possible if page histories weren't kept. [[Save Page Histories]], i think i smell a 2C wikiproject coming on...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:32, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Ah that smell. I know her well.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Just wondering if there's a time-frame for this, there's an administrative Archive of Two we need to finish up before it happens, shouldn't take more than a few hours each.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Turns out that it might just be the A/VB talk archives.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::What in the name of all things holy is an archive history purge? Do i need to be in the brace position? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Look at the contribs of an older member, like myself. Ive ben around and posting since october 2005. you will see pretty much nothingb that old. A history purge is just that, a deletion of all revisions older than a certain age from the database. Its one of the reasons we make archive pages. Histories can get seriously huge, especially on larger, more active pages. For examples of the biggest, try A/VB and Talk:Suggestions --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 18:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Cheers Grimbo. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:06, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Couldn't Kev just get rid of the bigs one then? Talk suggestions is a particularly useless page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:08, 22 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'll be some time during September, and it'll be clearing out to a specific date (probably everything over a year old). If you need me to hold off while some admin archives are made, let me know. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I believe we finally got them all done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:17, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Maybe we do need to lose some of our precious memories...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Is barricading affected in dark buildings? ==<br />
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Would you be able to resolve [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Dark#barricading_success_is_also_affected_by_dark this question], please? (i.e. is there an effect in dark buildings on barricading success?) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:05, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:As Midi said, you should try doing your own research on this inquiry first. It seems like you haven't even checked by yourself. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 14:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's based on chance - sorta hard to get solid evidence when it could just be called "bad luck". Sometimes you have to go to the source to find out if you're just having a shitty day or if it's some game mechanic that's actually stopping you from hitting all those zeds at the local RP... I mean... er...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 14:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aeon, I ''did'' "check for myself"... As in. I've experienced it numerous times in-game... Then I went to Brainstock, asked around for a second opinion, and got one... But that wasn't good enough for you people... So I decided to ask Kevan, himself -- especially since Nallan kind of has a point, and since it's not easy to find the conditions to conduct the experiment... In any event, I managed to find a place to try it: I posted the results on the Darkness talk page. However, a quick word, yea or nay, from the designer really would be appreciated... Now... none of this "discussion" was necessary, not here, stop spamming this page, sheeesh. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:14, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You typed more than the first three comments combined. And you complain about spamming? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:31, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, there is an effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== theres 98 survivors in monroeville what now? ==<br />
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what is going to happen now? is there anything left for the survivors other than to just run or make a last stand? is there anything for staying alive till the end. --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Stay alive I guess. --[[User:Federationtrooper|Federationtrooper]] 22:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:umm the count jumped UP TO 100, what just happened? --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 03:50, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::And it's 101 now. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 05:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Idled characters standing up, most likely. Hellooooo. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:11, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Yes, idlers. So, will all characters be deleted completely? Should we make a last stand? What will happen to the accounts? Will there be permaneny links to the diaries, that can still be obtained after the accounts are deleted? Knowing the basic plan will help us figure out what we should be doing.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::If I recall correctly, at some point the game will be shut down. I mean ''shut down''. At which point Kevan has said that any donations on MV alts will be transferable to Malton. He has hinted that he might allow MV alts to be moved to Malton once it's shut right down -- although I haven't noticed anything like this in a while, maybe he's changed his mind? I dunno... My advice, personally is to wait and see... Possibly Kevan doesn't even know yet how he'll wrap it up. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::I'm [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Kevan#Monroeville_Characters pretty sure] that MV characters won't be transferable to Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 01:49, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Okay, but what will happen to the actual accounts though? What would happen if I tried to login with it after the map ends? Will the diary be preserved?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:59, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Aren't they (donation tags) already transferable? i'm pretty sure they should be. --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Donations are transferrable, and accounts aren't - it was always going to be one or the other, and donations seemed more appropriate. Profiles and diaries will be kept in perpetuity. And given how little difference there is between shutting the city down entirely and leaving it open for zombies to mill aimlessly around in, I might just leave it open. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fair enough? Any chance of us active zeds getting another tag in our profiles? Ive noticed those survivors still active have got one. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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For what? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 19:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like this [[http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1147825]], one like ''blah was an active zombie one month into the 2nd quarantine. '' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Again, I ask, "For what?" For staying active? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 23:35, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Sorry. yep.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::You knew when you signed up that it was not going to be a permanent map. And you knew the basic rules of the game, as well. You ''knew''... Now, deal with it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== FAQs addition? ==<br />
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I don't know why you haven't gotten around to it, but here you can even find a pretyped one to add. It's a quick, simple addition...<br />
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http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Add_encumbrance_section_to_the_FAQs<br />
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Also, I'm not trying to bother you, but could you check the bugs page and try to deal with some of those issues? I noticed my moved-outside reports already in the known bugs section, and that sounds like a creepy one that's been happening to a number of people. I also see a number of other bugs commonly happening, with no hint of what's going on. Thanks.<br />
--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Once again...[[PR_UI:_Sub_Pages#Tips_about_encumbrance|dupe]]. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:28, 30 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::That's why I wondered why he hasn't gottena round to it yet. It's been around a while, and it seems pretty needed.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:04, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Enough is enough ==<br />
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I know you don't want to deal with this kind of stuff... yeah yeah yeah... But please just ''look'' at [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.180 this post]. Just quickly... <br />
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Enough is enough, already. '''Please''' ban open proxies from accessing Urban Dead, because this is just too common -- and if anything is going to kill this game and the community it's zerging. There is a massive level of frustration over zerging, though honestly it's not brought up because people are fatalistic, figuring you're not going to do anything about it. But there are people willing and able to assist with the coding, with helping to set this up, you just need to say "Yes" to getting the ball rolling. Please consider it, consider ''something''... Because it's a serious problem ((that is, the use of proxies). And, unfortunately -- unless there is something huge we are all missing -- it's a problem that your abuse detection algorithms just can't deal with... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just to add... This guy in the post I linked to likely had his alts banned, and just kept making more and more to replace them... which, if true, shows that algorithm works against ''"normal" multi-abusers.'' But when you're dealing with proxies, you can completely circumvent those algorithms. And that's the problem... Active players usually encounter at least a couple ''obvious'' "zerg teams" every week... And a lot more less obvious but suspicious ones... It's very frustrating for those who try to play "by the book"... And while we generally just "shrug and bear it", still... I'm not going to bother you with this anymore now, but I really felt it was high time to bring this your attention, and to speak out for the many people who are so frustrated by the prevalence of zerging in Urban Dead. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:17, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm going to take the liberty of seconding the above on behalf of both the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]] and [[Columbine Kids]], two fair-playing teams that I lead who encounter zerg teams weekly. Whether something comes of this or not, I just want to add our voices. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 18:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ha. The only topic on the page not address by Kev on Sept 3. Come on man an least a reply saying you cbf would be nice...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:03, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Sure, I'll take a look at any ideas or technologies people have got. I'm not aware of any silver bullets that don't also turn up false-positives for people on weird ISPs or who have a misleadingly-configured home network, but would be happy to be proven wrong. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:29, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Interesting Tangent: Speaking of silver bullets, i recently found out that all that stuff from days yonder referring to silver bullets and there use in banishing monsters is actually ambiguous as to if it's talking about actual silver, or mercury (which was known as quicksilver at the time). so yeah, you may in fact be unaware of any mercury bullets. Just keep that in mind when banishing foes.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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There was a discussion on Beerhah.com about this... Where some people were attempting to seriously address the issue and then come to you with some solutions. Sadly, interest seemed to wane once Finis Valorum apparently left the game... However, I am going to copy what was probably the most relevant and hopefully most useful post in that discussion. As you'll see, the solution was not an algorithm and/or set of "suspicious" IPs, etc. -- which I gather was you were talking about above? Rather, the main idea it was using a list of known proxies and simply banning them. I actually think the wiki sysops have a pretty long list of banned proxies, for a start perhaps that could be used... <br />
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And, no solution is going to perfect. There will ''always'' be holes, always ways around whatever measures you impliment. As the post I'll copy discusses. That, I think, is pretty well understood. However, the point is to make it as difficult as possible for people to cheat. Open proxies are just ''too easy'' to find and use... Now, I don't know if paying for a proxy list is going to be effective, or a waste of money, considering how much these things change, apparently -- that's something someone with the right knowledge would have to decide. Anyway, I'm place the text of the post on [[User talk:WanYao| my Talk page]] for you to look at. Thanks for your time. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:21, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Sadly, we've got no follow up response yet... Kevan, are you listening? Just as another case in point, look at this... yeah I ''know'' what you say... But just look... I think you need to... I don't want to be a "bitch" about this... But I am really, really hoping we can find some way to address the zerging issue, and this requires a dialogue with you... <br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_7-1__644-f97-77b.html<br />
http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_8-1__0c7-19c-2b9.html<br />
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LOLz at my insane typos notwithstanding (i meant "flayed alive") .... This is sadly typical... We see this stuff all the time: here, 4 alts, at least, 2 each in adjacent buildings, from someone with a whole slew of "mithra" alts, many more than these 4, many of them previously spotted together -- this guy is familiar to us... We've presented some ideas for dealing with zergs like this, there is a discussion on the [[AZM]] Talk page... Will you work on this? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:08, 12 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Kevan, please do this: community appointed UD moderators. These trusted moderators will ban obvious zerging reported by players. To investigate zerging only basic information is needed: history of when the zergs all logged in, and how long they've been around each other. 95% of zergers are stupid and lazy and will be caught this way. No permanent bans, just temporary ones. Enough to make the zergers life difficult. --[[User:Rupert|Rupert]] 19:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:COMMUNITY appointed? You're joking, right? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 21:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'm kind of new, so forgive me if this is stupid... Am I correct in assuming that a lot of these zerg characters are level 1, or to a lesser degree level 2 that seldom level up or even gain XP but are used as scouts. If that's the case then I would think that any ''real'' account is going to gain XP and level up within reasonable time periods. If that's the case then would purging level 1 & 2 characters that don't level in say a month get rid of a lot of zergs? Or is there a legitimate reason for accounts within these parameters? --[[User:Mvario|mvario]] 01:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Most zergs (despite the name) do infact end up leveling up, check out all the [[GTFO]] zergs for an example. The one's that do stay at lvl 1 and 2 are throw aways that won't be used again anyway, so deleting them wouldn't have any effect except to free up the account name to be used by another player. And that is something Kevan has said he doesn't want as it would cause confusion. Also lol @ my post up there ^ from Sept 5.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Last Major Change to this page? ==<br />
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When was the last major change to this page made, the one where months pf posts were cleared off and the number of topics reset to 0 (I assume 0)?. What about the Suggestions Development Page, where the Overflow section used to be? I'm trying to find certain old stuff, and I need to know those important dates to do so...thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:07, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=prev&oldid=1241305]]This? You can chust check yourself by looking in the history tab at the top of each page. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:27, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:That link's no good.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::There was a history purge so links to old edits don't work. However purges aside he's right, if you need to find an old version of the page use the history tab at the top.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::When was the last purge anyhow? That would really help. Those do make thinsg confusing...looking for old stuff that's gone...--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 19:17, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Dear Kevan: ==<br />
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<span style="color: #800000; font-family: Times"><center>You may try to tear down our barricades, devour our friends and allies, destroy our home... But we ''will'' prevail. Your efforts will be met with the stalwart defense that Barrville has maintained for these three years, and with our community at our sides, you must eventually accept defeat. You will go down, Kevan... and we'll put you there. And we'll do it oldschool; With our fists, With our boots, with lead pipes...<BR>And yes, with Axes. We shall not be put down.<BR>'''We Are AXES HIGH'''<br />
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E Cinerebus, Gloriam --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 16:13, 5 September 2008 (BST)</center></span><br />
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:'''''HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!''''' [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Okay, I actually thought it was quite the honour to be eaten by Kevan... but none the less worthy of an overtly trenchy and overdramatic comment. - --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 20:46, 23 September 2008 (BST)<br />
==Database errors==<br />
We are getting some infrequent, but still painfully annoying database errors. Last night when i was trying to edit [[A/VD]] i couldnt because of them, and we lost two current revisions on a page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASpacer_one%2FAthair_bas&diff=1270526&oldid=1270400 here] to them as well. Can you please take a look and find out whats going on? --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 21:51, 10 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Noted. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:43, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like we lost a handful of page revisions during the history purge; I'll look at restoring them this afternoon. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:08, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Okay, fixed, the handful of pages that were affected are stable now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==About the proxy issues...==<br />
this site: http://www.gmodtop100.com/ had a similar iddue which involved everyone giving themselves votes using proxyies from proxy.org Recently the website restted all the lists and when I tried to give hits to my gmod clan, I discovered that by some sort of meckanism they had managed to block proxies from being able to vote. I know they hadn't simply banned them because even my top secret proxy was blocked and I had never used it to access the website before. Maybe if you could get in contact with this "Pulsar effect" guy we could finally end this. [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It's really not as simple as some people seem to think. Web-based CGI or PHP proxies, or even SOCKS/HTTP proxies, are merely the tip of the iceberg – anyone with any decent technical expertise or friends with same can bypass any proxy list you care to come up with. Sure, it might be helpful, but it won't be a silver bullet, as Kevan alluded to above. Either way, we'll need to continue with [[ZHU|community-based]] [[GTFO|solutions]], as well as any additional technological measures that may be implemented. And remember... {{cquote||It may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma... which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve.''|Edgar Allen Poe}}{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And...{{cquote||Some things are not problems to be solved, they are facts to be coped with.''|Anonymous}} --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:23, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Future history wipes==<br />
Would it be possible leave a few more months worth of page histories next time a wipe is done? It's making it very hard to evaluate and track deletion requests, vandal histories and the like when histories just weeks old are missing, making it especially difficult to determine who should have "ownership rights" of group pages. Loosing histories will always be a problem, but the problem can be lessened significantly if you could keep it to older edits <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:56 20 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Or a portion of the oldest edits on a page(like the first 5 if possible).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And maybe a backup for the suburb danger status, using that sql code i sent you last time... heh... too bad i only found out about this wipe weeks after it occured, or i would have asked you to make the backup before the wipe. Bugger. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 03:14, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== I'm wishing for headshot.... ==<br />
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maybe for those left in monroeville should have something, like headshot, cause look at whats left... [[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:53, 4 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:The problem with that is to use headshot, you need to interact with zombies. A lot of the zeds left metagame, and all you'd do is draw others to your location. So yes. Bring it back. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I agree, running from zeds is getting old. I imagine they must be pretty bored as well. If not perma-death, how about headshot drops AP to zero. Otherwise we'll continue this war of attrition. Also shouldn't we get new badges? It would be cool if we had an incentive to keep playing besides making the zeds look impotent.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== ALiM's Birthday Party ==<br />
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You've been cordially invited to attend ALiM's birthday party at [[Club Head]] at 10am GMT on the 18th of October. Festivities will last for a full 24 hours. See [[Talk:Amusing_Locations_in_Malton#ALiM_PARTY.21.21.21|here]] for more details, oh divine master.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 02:15, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Misconduct ==<br />
I figure you are already aware of whats going on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#User:Grim_s| Here] but figured you should be formally informed. The final decision of the community has not been reached, but the general consensus will at the very least include the Bureaucrat status being removed from Grim. More may or not follow depending upon deliberations. Thank You. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:25, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:You have provided no evidence of misconduct. This is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:18, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Grim pipe down, everyone knows what you think and we also happen to know what Conn thinks. I can appreciate you're pissed off but can you not write the same boring ass one line all over the place, at least i nice tl;dr wall for old times sake ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:33, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Its not a boring arse line. Its a simple fact. All accusations of abusing the status of sysop as abadge of authority to force ones wishes on the community '''must''' come with '''clear evidence''' over a '''substancial period of time'''. So far no such evidence has been presented, and all my requests that it be have been soundly ignored by all concerned. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:36, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Conveniently all such evidence was wiped by Kev yestermonth, so i guess it falls down to your word against his/theirs. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Evidence already posted would still be present, easily visible to all who try a basic search. In any case, as [[user:Revenant]] has said, this is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Court Kangaroo Court], nothing more nothing less. My defense, which is logically sound, has been ignored, except where people have cherry picked points to troll. Saddam Hussein got a fairer trial than i am. In any case, without evidence, you cannot convict. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:40, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug*, shouldn't have declined my sysopship... ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::You were unfit for the job, and your subsequent tantrum proved as much to even the most jaded of eyes. My job isnt to make friends, or to be popular, or to do what people want, its to do what the rules and guidelines of this wiki state is correct, and to make the best decisions for the wiki in places where the guidelines do not cover. I am the only person to have ever lived up to that responsibility. No one else has, though karek comes damned close. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:47, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::oh come on, it was a joke! I thought even in your current state you should have picked it up. Feel free to slur away, hope it makes you feel better, xoxo. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:51, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Im sorry, but one seldom finds entertainment when one is the victim of such obvious and gross injustice where one cannot do anything about it. I apologise. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::apology accepted, we shall see how it plays out...now, to leave kevan's talk page so he doesn't get pissed off and cancel my accounts!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, this page was already on my watchlist. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:37, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::You gonna have a vote? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Contrary to Conndraka's first post, this is not a community decision at all. It is in fact a decision made by a small group of sysops. I trust the subtle difference and obvious deceit on Conndraka's part is not lost on you. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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There being no official method or process of notification...[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Final_Ruling| Here] is the result. Note the community "petition" that is also currently attached to the position. There being no "Policy" in this manner, the impeachment of a sysop by the community is a nebulous proposal at best. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:00, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:So that was you that thought that it would be a good idea to try to drive someone to vandalism as a last resort at neutrality? If it wasn't whoever added that petition should themselves be vandal escalated for misusing an administrative page to further a personal fight. Precedent matters.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:13, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Just for the record it was me who added the "petition" it was not intended to be used as evidence against Grim it and i thought it was pretty clear that I was asking for the communities opinion on wether Grim should face a vote. more than 1 person thought not.... apparently my intention was not clear enough and it turned into a petition while i was off-line. Should Grim have lost his Crat status? Probably... should he have lost it for the misconduct case? Absolutely not!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Bug, "zerg flag", or what? ==<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=951980 This alt] has recently tried searching for FAKs in a powered Mall with *no* success. 'Tis far more than bad luck... All other actions seem to working just fine, and I really can't see how a zerg flag could have been activated, even accidentally. Is this a bug, some unannounced change, or has a zerg flag somehow been activated? Anyone else had anything similar happen? But if it is a bug, then I'll report it normally... Thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:09, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unannounced change, although you shouldn't be getting ''zero'' success. If it keeps up, report it as a bug and we'll get some more data on it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Can you post these things as news? not only are we in a news drought, but it'll send the mall rats scurrying to the TRPs...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:25, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::It seems a bit cheap to announce search tweaks as fully-fledged "game updates". There are some proper updates on the way. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Perhaps, but it makes a difference. And considering it was suggested through the wiki suggestion system it'd a tip of the hat to the crowd over there (regardless of whether or not you actually saw that ;) ), i look forward to new updates :D something pro zombie perhaps? Things have quietened down in Malty as of late...btw kudos on the ruin update, she added a whole new dimension to the game.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Oh good. I thought this was just me. I have been getting reduced search rates EVERYwhere. (Hospitals, Malls, NT buildings.) Quite a few days I've spend 18~23 AP in these buildings over a period of about 10~12 minutes and have found nothing at all. Recently I've used a mall-searcher and spent 20 AP in Caiger NW and have found nothing in any store. It woulda been nice to see this as an official update. [[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 14:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yay! Updates are ace. :D -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:47, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Yes, please announce it or something. I was sad to find just 2 FAKs with 20 APs in a lightened mall with bargain hunting. Its just very less. First i thougt, it was bad luck, but others said the same too. Maybe a small view, what has been changed would be nice. --[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 17:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::'''My search-statistics:'''<br />
:::::::'''Where:''' lightened Mall, searched in the Drugstore<br />
:::::::'''Skill:''' Shopping+Bargain Hunting<br />
:::::::'''APs:''' 38 / 47<br />
:::::::'''Found nothing:''' 30 / 36<br />
:::::::'''Found a FAK:''' 8 / 11<br />
:::::::'''Rate:''' 21,06% / 23,4%<br />
:::::::--[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 18:18, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Assuming there are no more break-ins at my safehouse, I'll post some data tomorrow. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk]] </span> </sup> 04:26, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the reply, Kevan... No, you're right, haven't had a lot of time to play lately, but I tested it further and I did finally find some FAKs... And for everyone else... I believe I know ''exactly'' why Kevan implemented this. And it pleases me, personally, very much. :) Meanwhile, this wasn't a game-mechanic change, just a search rate nerf... Thus, I think it's cool it was left for us to discover on our own, and not as an announcement... Even if I had to resort to the cheap method of asking the big guy himself... ;) Though I did suspect it might be a search rate nerf, I just didn't ''dare'' to believe'' :D ... Thanks, Kevan, cool change... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:01, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh... FTR limited data... but searching for guns in a mall ''seems'' the same as always... and syringe rates have been quite low for some time now... just to clear up statement made above about everything sucking... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:05, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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You know, there's a [[Search Odds|better place]] than Kevan's talk page to dump this data... --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup II==<br />
I have regularly spoken to you of the abuses of adminsistrator and the flaws of the system. I have begged, and pleaded for you to become involved in fixing these problems. You have told me to do it myself. Tow/three days ago i notified you of my intent to stage a coup on this wiki and enforce a better way, at the very least as a trial run. I also informed you that you could call it off simply by telling me "no". Since you havent responded, and circumstances have cospired to make such an option impossible in the immediate future due to the very corruption that has taken root, i have been forced to go ahead earlier than i would have liked. I merely ask that you adopt a wait and see attitude towards what i am trying to do. This is my last throw of the dice. My last ditch attempt to make this a better place before i take my leave of this community forever. I apologise for the manner in which i had to bring it about however. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 10:26, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hello Grim. I read your email as a bold request for ''permission'' to single-handedly institute "sweeping reforms" and selective sysop demotions. I didn't realise you were threatening to actually abuse bureaucrat powers and go ahead regardless, if I didn't respond quickly enough.<br />
:Yes, whenever you email me asking that I force through a change that you personally want implemented, I suggest that you take it through the proper channels - usually a policy discussion, to at least get some community feedback first. I don't see why you couldn't have done that here. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup==<br />
Could you please re-sysop all the people that Grim just demoted, please, and remove his bureaucrat status to avoid it happening again? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:24 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Already onto it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::sooo....where do we go from here? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::[[Suburb Nicknames#West Becktown|PUSSY TOWN]]!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Shouldn't grim also have been demoted ? He can still do lots of damage with his sysop powers --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Given the "effective immediately i am seizing executive power" tone of his bureaucrat abuse, and the fact that he claims to have left the wiki permanently, temporarily revoking his sysop powers seems fair enough, if only as a security issue. I'll reverse it should the [[Misconduct#User:Grim_s|new misconduct case]] decide in his favour. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:34, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Hm... I think I may create a new subpage on my userspace containing as much of this stuff as I can. It will be interesting to read through and spot the points at which Grim became more and more frantic. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::First Katthew, now grim. There is no place for common sense is there? Maybe i'm not in possession of all the facts; all I see is one frustrated person finally snapping, after years spent as one of the very few sysops to actually work to make this a better place - rather than feather his own nest. The wiki has finally moved from being a source of information to some kind of passive-aggressive, UD version of Facebook. I'd rather have one person capable of making a mature decisions, unafraid to step on a few toes and deflate a few egos, than a gaggle of preening children. Disappointing. --[[User:Keith Drudgely|Keith Drudgely]] 17:58, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Grim was anything but "mature". Just saying. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 20:56, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::you should talk, cyberbob... actually, i do think grim was someone who worked hard for the wiki... and he'd dealt with idiocy for so long, he did snap... however, if only he'd handled things better over the long haul... le sigh... for what it's worth, the drama has pretty much caused me to quit the game, too... pathetic how seriously some people (myself included) take all this sometimes... and interesting how easy it is to walk away when the bad taste gets to be too much, and how little you miss UD when you do... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:36, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Biiig difference between being immature by choice and being immature by impulse, Wan. Also, WTF is with you and ellipses? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:18, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::~2 years till the next sysop snaps. I can understand where Grim was coming from though. It's very frustrating when people constantly attack you for no perceived reason, and eventually you *have* to snap, no one can sustain continued harassment. Grims misconduct case showed this, sysops calling for Grims demotion over something so minor was ridiculous. Unfortunately once a group of users has decided to attack you there's nowhere safe on the wiki, and eventually you are forced to leave until things cool off, which can be a long while, and difficult to do if you are a regular. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">11:35/13/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::::OR you could simply cease the unneccessary causticness that brought on all that ire and start acting with some degree of restraint rather than taking the easy route and trying to lay the blame on others. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:52, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Cyberbob's right, just because you weren't a victim of Grim's monster rampage doesn't mean it didn't happen. You should try to understand Jedaz, people didn't just rise against Grim for fun. We aren't idiots. If we were mindless idiots we would be playing Halo 3 and NFL 2009 instead of UD. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:58, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::It's called Madden you culturally ignorant fuck. Nah you're allllright. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:02, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::How dare you be here and not on IRC. You left me alone with those barbarians. >=[ {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::sorry sorry! I was spose to go to bed 21 minutes ago...hows a week tonight for you? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:19, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::@Cyberbob - What kind of restraint are you talking about? Restraint of language? I don't see anyone else restraining themselves. Restraint of Sysop powers? Well there wern't any successful misconduct cases about misuse. If you are talking about restraining yourself once you've snapped then you must be laughing. Don't get me wrong, Grims attitude didn't help the situation, but people making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't going to help either.<br />
::::::::@DDR - What has Grim done since June to have this "uprising" occur? Personally I didn't see Grim do anything outside of his regular behaviour (ignoring this most recent case), and the community has known about his behaviour for a long time and still elected him! Would the community still have rised up if this didn't occur? If not then it's just an angry mob and it would have cooled down eventually, where as an uprising would still have occured.<br />
::::::::Anyway, if either of you wish to continue this conversation I'ld suggest we move this to my [[User_talk:Jedaz|talk page]] rather then clog up Kevans. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:34/14/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::My point, Jedaz, was that if Grim was at all socially intelligent he would have realised that people weren't going to take his shit forever. If he wanted to prevent an explosion of the sort we saw he should've taken steps to improve his self-control. Blaming his completely unreasonable hissy fit (ZOMG IM GONNA LOSE MAI CRAT STATUS ALL MUST DIE) on the completely understandable reactions of everyone else is ridiculous. You need to take off the "I got yo back brotha!" goggles (you think I don't remember the circumstances of your demotion?) and take a step back to look at things realistically. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I supose you have a point. But I don't think you fully understand the reason I chose to be demoted (if you did then you wouldn't have brought it up). My point is if you don't have the support of the team you are working in then of course you are going to find it tough and eventually you are either going to quit or break. Nobody seems to care that it can actually get to this point. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:20/16/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::Cyberbob's right. Do you actually have a personal history with Grimsky? He has been planning this entire explosion for a very long time. He probably stretched out the time of the case so it could build up to a bigger explosion. He deliberately did this for his own ego. And yet you don't think he was unfit to be at the position he was at? Why argue with us more? Ask the entire community which demanded what we demand right now. I don't want to disrupt Kevan (I know your reading hun =]) So I'll stop here, no need to pursue justification. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::it was very calculated, there was a reason he chased away the other competent sysops, and crats, and meatpuppeted his crat "election". He was planning this "coup" for a while and was no lapse in judgement.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:30, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::I miss all of the good stuff. I believe what Anime is referring to is discussed [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|here]], with a now dead reference to [[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysop_Sub_Groups:The_Cheesy_Version#"With_less_than_10_active_sysops"|the original conversation here]]. You know, where he admits to hounding sysops such as Vista and Hagnat to get them to quit their positions. Coincidentally, after he got Hagnat to quit, he got elected as a Bureaucrat. No, obviously no long term plan in place.<br />
:::::::::::{{quote|Grim_s|Making a new sysop subclass wont solve this problem, all it will do is bloat the numbers of idiot sysops, which i have spent the last 18 months whittling away at.}}<br />
:::::::::::Whoops. I guess it ''was'' a long term plan to get into power after all, huh? [[Image:Haw.gif]] --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:52, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::No way to prove this but on IRC Grim would often criticize my "hissy fits" of pissing people off for lulz and then brag about how he could do it better. I think AS remembers it, he often hung out in #udwiki. My point, he planned this. That wasn't impulse. Impulse is "DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING!!!" --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:07, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::Maybe they are talking about on a geological timetable. Or perhaps some people need to [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impulse%5B2%5D read more]. I do find it amusing that [[:Template:Grim Doom|this template]], which was meant as a joke, is closer to the truth than people like to believe. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::He made [[User:Grim_s/Sandbox/Thingamajig|these notes on attempting to scrap the system]] back in July, which included the idea that my veto power was a "problem" and should be revoked. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::That's kind of why I am confused how what [[User:Amazing|Amazing]] did was worse than this. There is a huge history of edits of Grim chasing users off of the wiki in order to attain the power he craved ([[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|'''by his own admission''']]), then kicks off the rest of the sysop team to implement his changes when he is threatened, yet he doesn't receive the same punishment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::You're confusing yourself, because the Amazing and Grim situations are totally different. Amazing wasn't a sysop when he earned his permban through the established VB escalation system, and it was also a long, long time ago. Most of the sysops ruling on Grims case had nothing to do with the wikigate farce. Careful what you wish for, Akule, [[Witch Burners]] arn't that picky, as you well know <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:35 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::::Oh, okay, so talking with Kevan about how Grim probably should have been permabanned for chasing away several good sysops, plotting to remove Kevan's veto power, and overthrowing the other sysops results with veiled threats of forcing me off the wiki from you. Gotcha. So, when are you going to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Amnesty&diff=next&oldid=1295384 "waah"] Kevan like you did Hagnat and the others? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:17, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::I'm not threatening to force you off the wiki, Akule. I'm trying to point out that if witch burners always got their way, Grim would be out, but so would you, long ago due to copyright-gate. And why the hell would I Wah Keven, you clown... you're the one doing the waaaaahing <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::It's cos deep down (very deep, in some cases) we've all got a soft spot for ol' grimchy.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::And the winner of the Speak For Yourself award goes to.... --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 08:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Ooo! ooo! I'm a shoo in for this one! Pick me! Pick me! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:58, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::Umm...Boxy? How is what Grim did similar to the Witch Burners? Our goal is to remove those who create mass amounts of drama on the wiki through vandalism, arby's, and other crap. We are the vigilantes that work where the sysops can't. Grim would have been a target of ours if we weren't so afraid of him banning us after labeling him a target. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:25, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Well, I was referring to the way Grim has become a targeted witch, actually, but he did use similar tactics, now you mention it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::::::::::::The problem Grim saw with Kevan's veto power was that Kevan's refusal to participate in the wiki and the absence of the threat of the use of that power was in and of itself damaging to the wiki and led to a lot of the crap that annoys all of us. It wasn't that Kevan had veto power but that Kevan wasn't willing to give that power any weight. You'd probably know that if you ever spoke to Grim outside of arguments.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:24, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::I did. Usually it was go back to an argument, mostly over stupid shit. Mentioning you like Star Wars would result in a vicious attack on why TIE Fighters can't make noise in space. I for one don't give a shit. Grim loved to create trouble over stupid shit. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:23, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::That wasn't directed at you Sonny.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:54, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::BUT GODDSDAMMIT TIE FIGHTERS CAN'T MAKE A NOISE IN SPACE!!!!!!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 18:28, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::fcuk u tehy can 2!!1!!!1one! --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::: obviously the whole star war universe takes place in a particle rich nebula that allows for both the transmission of sound and the really spectacular explosions...DUH! [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:07, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Well at least we don't have Real Gamer ruling the wiki.Grim did make a joke about a coup earlier in 2008 around the time the the dead did their rampage I believe.And by the way, according to the History Channel,if you were in space,the Death Star firing and destroying a planet is as less loud than you clicking your computer's mouse.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Coup Misconduct Resolution ==<br />
[[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Resolution.2FFinal_Ruling| Resolution]] of the Misconduct case due to the coup, Just an FYI for official notification. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== HP? ==<br />
Just stood up after a revive... Found myself at 20 instead of 30. another one of these unannounced changes? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:07, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:That would be a bug. Report it if it happens again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:24, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I like the NT scan tweak. Very classy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Grammar ==<br />
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You try to add some corrugated iron to the barricade, but can't find a place for them.<br />
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"Them" should be "it", or "corrugated iron" should be plural, so maybe "corrugated iron rods".<br />
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Hope this is in the right place, and I know you probably don't care that much about small gramatical errors but someone needs to point them out!<br />
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Feel free to downsize the image..I would but I need to run! {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 12:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Update ==<br />
I don't do this much and am actually on the side of criticizing updates as too much for false problems but this recent update has been something that has been long in the waiting. Thank You, this might actually get me playing my characters again.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:37, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll go along with that. Admittedly I'm far more easily-pleased than Karek and never stopped actively playing, but still, thanks for a great update. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:27, 17 October 2008 (BST).<br />
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== Privacy Policy ==<br />
Hi kevan, is there any chance of a Privacy Policy being written up regarding players IP's and emails. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:58, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:[[UDWiki:Privacy policy]] has been in the footer for a couple of years now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:13, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Sorry I did not make it clear, I meant in regards to the game, not the wiki.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 10:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Streetwalkin' cheetah with a heartful of napalm ==<br />
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A ruffian headbutted me for 1 damage today, as a human. Is this a new addition or am I slow? I basically came here to ask, Kevan, how does one headbutt? Is it a random occurance that may happen instead of excecuting the punch command? Just curious. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:22, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Heh. That would have been me, non? Headbutt works via ?actions, i simply installed a greasemonkey script that allows me to perform said action in harman form without using the ?action. Sometimes young ddr, the only way to fight fire is well, with fire ;) . --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:50, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::That would be biting with a mask while alive I assume. 'cause you can bite while alive but, for 1 damage.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:49, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like the shooting while a zombie cheat to me. That hasn't been fixed yet, has it? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:27 18 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::That was fixed just before April 1 this year, I remember because Red Rums April Fools plans were ruined.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 17:06, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::The only reason the shooting cheat got fixed was because enough people decided to whine about such a minor thing. No one really cares about this one and it's been known for a long long time. That being said the damage is reduced when trying to perform zombie actions while living, it's always punch damage and I think punch rates too.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:58, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Nah no mask, just 1 damage.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:55, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I wish to lay claim to be the first person to be headbutted for 1 damage by a harman. Then I'll be positively famous. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:52, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You aren't. Unfortunately i'm not original, i got the script that allows me to do this off viktor, first person i know of who got headbutted was Fiffy i think, check with Anime, he'll know! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:06, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Take it to [[Talk:Actions via "question marks"]], thanks kids... no need to bother Kevan with this. Basically all these attacks work as a punch with different flavour: they're all 25% to hit, 1 damage. And you're very late to the party, I know I and others have been doing this for 6 months or more. Pretty much from around the time ActOnProfile came out. <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:34, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And unlike shooting while a zombie...the damage able to be inflicted by this is minimal. I've been bitten by a harman before. It was hilarious. ;) --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 04:15, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aha! That sneaky gorilla's secret is revealed! At last the world makes sense again. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 05:09, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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/topic. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:31, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== so wait... new map? whats for monroeville? ==<br />
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2 questions....headshot on this map or?<br />
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and monroeville is at 260 poeple so im kinda wondering if theres anything left for it....<br />
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[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 10:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:First question, the first one to level 10'll find out. Question 2, get over it, there's been nothing there for ages...new city thyme :D --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Kazypoo1, Monroeville ''did'' die quite a while ago, in case you didn't notice... I thought it said 'permanent zombification' somewhere, and it only lasts a month, so I'm assuming its perma headshot. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::No, headshot doesn't mean permadeath in Borehamwood. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hello Kevan, quick question: The stats page currently displays the Monroeville numbers as {{udspan|(1023 standing survivors, 707 standing zombies, 43896 accounts created)}}. I take it this is Borehamwood numbers mixing with the old of Monroeville. So will we get separate stats for Borehamwood? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:So. That's basically 950 survivors against 200 zombies at the moment? Still I liked getting the rage. It was fun. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Good point. Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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With the new locations such as railway line(s) and petrol station(s), what do they bring to the game? Is their any new weapons/items? --[[User:Alcatraz311|Alcatraz311]] 15:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Was this why the server went down last night by any chance? =P -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Publicity of Big Brother house location ==<br />
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Greetings. I, amongst others, would like to know your opinion on publicity of the Big Brother house location on the wiki. Should it stay hidden or be revealed? --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 13:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Unless Kevan comes out and says otherwise, this is no different than any other location in the game. Removing it is in no way different to a group of trenchies removing [[Giddings Mall]] from the map in case [[MOB]] comes to visit. Information is free. Censorship is bad.<br />
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:This wiki is a game resource, not a vehicle for censorship so that certain players can increase their chances of winning a DVD.<br />
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:Also this information has already been disseminated to public UD forums and is available through public iwitnesses. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Had this talk with the Big Man before, and he said he has no problem with it. Actually, he imagined its coordinates would have been posted in a matter of hours on the wiki, and also broadcasted through radio and stuff like that. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's up to players how much information they share or conceal; I don't mind either way, in this case. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Wow... as if we don't get enough of the BB franchise on the idiot box, now we get huge BB eye's looking at us as we attack a mall in Malton? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:59 2 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:They'd only be there because someone chose to spraypaint them, but the graphic shouldn't have been showing up outside Borehamwood. This is now fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::OK, thanks. I have a particular hatred of the bastardisation of the original "big brother" concept that involves housemates <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:56 3 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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== Questions about your character ==<br />
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I assume this UD ID is yours, correct, UD ID-11? Well, I'd like to welcome you to West Grayside, though I don't appreciate the eating of so many brains. Also, I don't appreciate the Ninja Zombie status you seem to give yourself. we all know the military covers up things, but covering up their own skills? I scanned your zombie, listed as pre-death class Military, but you lack any military skills! So is just a sick joke, or is it a bug? Picture of scan here:<br />
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Thanks for checking.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Damn, that's a pretty smart catch! Bub is pretty famous among organized zombie players, and most folks know him for not having any human skills, but I never knew he was a "military class" character, as I've never seen the "living" version of his profile.<br>I doubt its a bug; G. Romeroe's "Bub" character was military. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 22:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::How did he get Military without any skills? .......... Oh wait.... Mad haxors skill... :P --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Bweing god of Urban dead helped as well; being able to defy the laws of logic and the 4rth dimension and whatnot. Wait whats his human account?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 03:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So, what is his human account? --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 17:00, 26 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::I don't think any of the survivor accounts are known, but we know he has them out there... Somewhere... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 02:41, 27 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=14 Kevan] doesn't seem to do much <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:11 27 September 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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== Mediawiki Update ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if there any chance of getting wiki software updated? The latest version is v1.13 and there are several useful new features, including: <br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
It's not urgent or anything, but it would be nice if you could put it on your busy to-do list :D.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That sounds pretty cool. =) Can we get it for Christmas? Means you'd only have to get us one present between us this year, saving you quite a lot of money. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Image undeletion is enabled by default as well-useful for when sysops accidentally delete a useful image {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Black Holes of Borehamwood==<br />
Evening. There's a couple of squares in [[Borehamwood]] that are seemingly unscoutable. Namely deep river sections. Can you confirm there's nothing mysterious and shiny hiding in the depths, islands and the like? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'd just like to also say thank you for the charcoal briquettes barricade message. Brought a smile to my face.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazing ==<br />
I'v always owndered for these 2 years; what in the hell DID amazing do anyways? What grim did is easy to see because of the publicity and recentism of it but what EXACTLY did amazing do?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amount of characters in a broadcast ==<br />
I was wondering, Since I started the [[Galaxy News Radio]] i've found that the very small amount of characters you can use is at best, a thorn in my side, couldn't it be possible to make the transmission amount of characters the same as for speaking, it makes perfect sense really --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 21:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If you want to make a suggestion for an in game feature, take it by [[Developing Suggestions]] and get some constructive criticism before putting it up for voting. Although as far as i'm aware the character cap exists to limit spamming of radio channels.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Actually it's probably more of a necessary thing like the 50 people limit in normal speak is. Radio can't share that limiter because that would eliminate it's whole purpose so the only other ways to limit it is to put an upper end on how much you can say per day per channel.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::It's a possibility, but since character limits (as far as i'm aware) predates the need for limiting talking to 50 it seems odd.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
Okie i'll take this to the development pages, thanks for the feed back though guys {{unsigned|An unlucky guy|11:00, November 23, 2008}}<br />
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==Dead Set Competition== <br />
Can I assume that the prizes and all went off without a hitch so I can update the competition as a Past event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, the winners have been selected and contacted, and talking to the cameras in the diary room no longer has any effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Trade?==<br />
Sorry to bother you but I was wondering why survivors can't trade. This could lead to more eaisly avalible equipment, I think there would be a limit thou. Generators couldn't be traded etc. I think that it might help the humans in a bunch of Unbalanced claims. Players could not trade to same Ip address characters would stop cheating and it could lead to characters traveling round Malton selling there wares which would be fun to see. My regards it's a great game and I've got a bunch of my freinds playing now too. Thanks from me and them [[User:Athur birling]]<br />
:Heya. If you want to make a suggestion for an addition to the game you should go [[suggestions|here]]. In the meantime check out [[Frequently_Suggested#Giving_or_Trading_Items|this]] which explains why trading is generally seen as a bad idea. Anyway, welcome to the totally awesome UD wiki!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The [http://www.urbandead.com/faq.html#trade FAQ] does hint at trading, but he also says it will take lots of thought. I imagine the coding would be nightmarish too. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::you know what link? you're alllllllllllllllllright.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks {{unsigned|Athur birling}}<br />
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==Making a list? Checking it Twice?==<br />
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We getting a chrimbo update? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow? ==<br />
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Are you hiding it under your cap? Or NO SNOW FOR MALTON WINTER 08'? I miss mah flakie friends! --[[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 21:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:[http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a841/a841.gif Al Gore was right]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd like to put in another vote for snow! I missed the fog this year at Halloween and the snow really added some nice flavour in my opinion. --[[User:Queen Mum|Queen Mum]] 00:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Need moar snow. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== what, no more newspapers? ==<br />
they don't seem to be showing up in hospitals anymore. got rid of them, eh? any chance of them coming back, i love smacking people with 'em! :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:They should be somewhere else maybe? It was annoying with them in hospies. Luckily all ma guys have them already :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Still plenty of places to find [[newspapers]], guys. lrn2wiki. <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, there are no more newspapers in Hospitals. I search them often, and not in ages have I found a newspaper therein. Update that wiki page? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Same here. Seems safe to update. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== I can't smash Xmas lights??? ==<br />
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Those darned Whos! I hate them!! But seriously, the option to smash christmas lights in a ruined building is not available. This is blatant discrimination against zombie scrooges. I protest! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:My apologies. I figured it out. :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hi, I'm a big fan. I finally found your talk page and I have a question, can you reinstall headshots in Monroeville as the humans think they can take down us zeds........--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leaving nice messages for Kevan is fine, however we have a system for suggesting improvements. Please go to [[Developing_Suggestions|Developing Suggestions]] and suggest it there. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 19:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Character Deleted == <br />
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I wanted to make sure that this [[Fixed_Bugs#Teleport_across_Malton_and_level_0_account||bug]] was fixed but it appears that it is not fixed. If you are on the edge of Malton and go to http:urbandead.com/map.cgi?v=100-99 it will mess up your character. I did this with my charachter Yark and now whenever I log in I can't perform any actions with him, and it seems his skills have been deleted: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815674 --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 20:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No! Yark! =( -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Just replicated it by going from 0,99 to 0,100 in New Arkham with a random throwaway I just made: [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1442227 Testy McTesterson]. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I hate to say it, I killed mister <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=142058 password]</span>. After more poking, I have observed even more; Couple of AP and permadeath, I'm the first to go from Spicer Hills to Dakerstown instantly. I'll work out more details when my IP hits refresh, as I just used a proxy that I didn't much like. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::<nowiki>:</nowiki>'( --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::password will live on. (and probably be revivificated) Also, what about 100-100? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::[[:Image:Testy.jpg|We're alive!!]] =D We're level 0 and we've got a zombie chewing on us, but we're alive!! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Fixed. I've dropped Yark into a random, secure building, and given the character 1000XP to get up and running again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The bug? Or Yark? password and Testy are level 0.. The bug was interesting, odd behaviour, but it would be nice if after a server reset you could be free to move again. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 18:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The bug. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 18:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Project Namespace ==<br />
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we have few projects, yet i was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting to have them in their own namespace. Thus projects like [[The Great Mall Project]] and [[ALiM]] would be located in [[Project:The Great Mall Project]] and [[Project:ALiM]]. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but "Project" is a builtin alias for whatever the name of the wiki is (here it's "UDWiki"). e.g. [[Project:Administration]] is the same as [[UDWiki:Administration]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Darn, forgot about that. Maybe in the plural then, [[Projects:The Great Mall Project]] --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::That would just be confusing.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Just Plain Vanity ==<br />
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Any chance of a {{Udspan|''' Dermot O'Leary was still alive and active one month into the Borehamwood quarantine.'''}} ? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== about the admin team ==<br />
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how do you feel about the current sysop team of the wiki ? do you have any problems with how we run things ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:does he give a fuck? recent history would suggest probably not. Stop fishing for compliments hagnat. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:okay that came out a little harsh, but i don't see why you want to bring kevan into this other than for your own gratification. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Hedging much? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 13:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::It's pretty easy to predict what he's going to say. Why would he complain? You can't have nothing to do with your own games wiki then rock up and say 'i hate the way you people run it' and then disappear again. Unless he wants to get involved in the wiki again kevan ''can't'' say he has a problem with the way they run it. Although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Easier than that, last time someone asked him to weigh in on promotions his response was that he basically didn't want his opinion brought into the matter. So No Comment is probably the best bet.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Me? I'm just the guy who provides the hosting, here - I'll step in if there are server issues, or if a rogue bureaucrat locks the wiki down, but everything else is up to the community. If I wanted to have a say in wiki policy, or who should and shouldn't be a sysop, I'd already be doing that. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::J3D 1, haggy, zerrro. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Hey, he gives a fuck about how the community is run. He just won't say how much or what he gives a fuck about. :D --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span></small> 02:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I think Hagnat's concerned for his sysop status. I would be too if I was a ''trusted user'' that was acting against the wishes of the community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop right there Iscariot! I am sick and tired of you constantly saying that every sysop on the team is going agaisnt the wishes of the community! Most of the community never has a problem with the current admin team, and when they do it's rarely a huge problem. Now you come on Kevan's page and still continue the bad mouthing. Just face it, no matter what you will never be pleased with the administration and so you will constantly have to pretend that the whole community is on your side so that you will feel right in your head.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::How many people are there playing the game? How many are on this wiki? Yes, some people don't have time to spend on anything other than playing the game, but how many people are putting hours a day into the meta game and ''still'' won't touch this wiki without an exceptional reason? And how many of those people have told you that the current administration team is one of the primary reasons? My total ''will'' beat yours. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The wiki is an information source. Almost everything is explained in game when you encounter it (1st death, 1st Rez. etc.) So, not every one needs to touch the wiki or even use it as a resource. <br />
::::The wiki is the worst place to organize and meta-game. Just ask DHPD. When we were just Project:T.I.M.E. (well, before the Dead/DoDH) we were seriously outnumbered by them, but because they had all of their profiles linked on here and updated where they were going to be and who they were working with and so on we knew enough about them to take them out. The wiki shouldn't be for the meta-game it should be for information. That's why most groups of note have an off site forum to metagame. You can't blame the current staff because people have figured out that giving away too much information on their groups is bad thing.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::That has so little to do with what iscariot said.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Get it off Kevan's page. He doesn't need to be bothered with a dispute between users. Have it out on each others talk pages, or even mine, just don't start bringing it here. Okay?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 01:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I know, I'm sorry. I just wanted to counter Iscariot's comment because I know exactly what he's trying to accomplish by posting that. I, unlike Iscariot, am done here now.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Much as I hate the way Iscariot is going about his crusade I have to say he does have a point. The sysop team probably does not represent the view of even a large minority of players and that explains why so few players contribute. Not that i think its all the Admin teams fault, but the rules they follow and enforce reflect a community that no longer exist. Most sysops were promoted long before most current players even heard of the game yet the tag "trusted user" is still attached to the title "SYSOP". Few current wiki users vouched for them and fewer still of the actual player base and yet they still cling to positions claiming that "popular" votes undermine the system! They are right that popularity does not mean competence but... Franky i find it a bit odd that sysops can claim the label "trusted user" and not be willing to allow the community to confirm that label. Look back to Conn's promotion bid, or Boxy's or Hagnats or even Kareks and even without checking i can say with confidence that at least half those that vouched are no longer active.... Now i personally '''Would''' vouch for them all but my point is that they were not voted in by the current community and the claims that they are trusted users wear very thin in light of the fact that they do not seem willing to trust the communities opinion on pretty much any issue!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The sysop team doesn't have to represent the view of a large majority of players, it only has to represent the view of the wiki community. Whenever I play a browser game I don't always sign up to their forums/wiki/whatever they have. A large portion of users probably won't bother contributing to the wiki because so many other users already are. If I was to ask you, "what needs contributing to on the wiki?", I'm sure you probably won't have many answers. The only things of note are suggestions and suburb reports, and not everybody is interested in that (and the drama which comes with each of them). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:26/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::I have a few, if you want a list feel free to pester me some time.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 02:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree that the only bits of the wiki that interest most players are the Maps, suggestions and suburb reports (I include maps because i assumed you had forgotten them?) that said i do think that the system is set up to support the views of long time players (contributors) rather than the new players who are actually the lifeblood of the game. While obviously the wiki needs to pay some attention to long time editors like me,wan,cyberbob,ahlg,etc... i would think it would be far more important to promote the wiki to new uers. I still play (and i hope/assume that those named do too) and i would hope that everyone on the admin team does to but it has to be said that without change the game becomes dull and people leave. If the wiki and its admin team does not reflect the changing demographic of the game it is missing what is surely a fundemental point for its existence?--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I remembered the maps, but I did not include them because there is very little to nothing which a new user can contribute to (which is what I'm focusing on). I agree, we should encourage new users to join and contribute, however most of the other work is maintence which doesn't exactly draw the crowd. If you have an idea which would encourage new productive users to sign up then I'ld like to hear it. I'ld be more then happy to help flesh out any ideas you may have. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:50/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::::I think my wiki Urban Dead game could draw in some people to play. They could even make their own once I finish the template. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Autoconfirmed group ==<br />
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Hi Kevan. Just want to ask a quick question. We've had a couple of policies about setting up an autoconfirmed group recently and I thought it might be a good idea to check in with you about it. Depending on the result of [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Autoconfirmed Group Trial|this policy]] would you been willing to implement an autoconfirmed group on the wiki as a trial to see how we get on with it? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No problem. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks. =) -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Quick Questions ==<br />
Sorry to take up your time, but I'm just wandering what you think of the games on the Related Games page. (ie, Nexus War, Shartak, Outbreak, etc). Also on Shartak, Leaky Blocks (It's creator) said that you encouraged Shartak's developement and that you play shartak. Is that true?--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 15:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Shartak's the only spinoff I've played, and yes, Simon/Leaky is an old friend of mine. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Why no chainsaws ==<br />
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:''content moved to [[User_talk:Jakezing|Jakezing talk page]]''<br />
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== Updating the Wiki software, 2.0 ==<br />
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The wiki software, as it stands, is two years old (ish, in the coming month.) As well as the obvious bugfixes and minor changes that can't be gone into detail here, 1.13.3 of MediaWiki has some useful new features that we could use:<br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
*Image undeletion enabled by default<br />
*A prettier [[Special:Specialpages|list of special pages]] (compare to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages Wikipedia's])<br />
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There are heaps of other changes-you can look at the release notes linked [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/News here]. I know that updating the server will take some time, but it would be nice if you could add it to your busy schedule.<br />
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<sub>I stole some of that list from [[User:The General|The General]] above</sub><br />
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Would this increase information between the server and peers= server load increase? {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 12:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think so. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I can't see how it would, but I can't say for sure. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:It's on the to-do list. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Awesome, thanks.--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel -</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks Kevan. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What's your view on adding extensions to the wiki? I'm not talking anything specific here, just in general. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Xmas ==<br />
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Xmas is over, and there are clearly no more Xmas decorations or trees, but the update message was not changed, and there is still the option to hold onto Xmas decorations if found. Perhaps removing that option (and next year posting when Xmas is over) would be helpful? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 13:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Don't take away my Christmas trees... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Christmas trees have been a vehicle for meta-challenges and games when they do pop up. It's fun flavor even in the middle of the year. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool]] and the [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool II]] are a couple examples. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::In sounds like you guys think I am requesting trees be removed altogether. I am not. I mean, the announcement still exists on the main page about the trees and light being available, even though they no longer are, so I am suggesting cycling the announcement to something "current".--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow ==<br />
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Perhaps I have missed something, but did the livestock and industry prevent snowfall last winter? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Misconduct Case Feb 2009==<br />
A user has brought a case over on [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#The_Entire_Sysop_Team.2C_excluding_Kevan_and_.22Urbandead.22|the Administration: Misconduct page]] that indicts every member of the administration team except your personal account and the Urban Dead admin account also controlled by yourself. Due to the obvious problems with ruling on cases in which you are also a named party, none of the current administration team may rule on the case (that is if they conform to the community's policies). Would it be possible for you to quickly look over the case and either rule misconduct or not misconduct to prevent unnecessary fall out? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Pretty sure Kevan isn't going to buy into this shit fyi --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I think you're mistaking me for Read. Fact is, that case is going to sit there for a couple of weeks whilst you and he debate the finer points of whatever it is you discuss. If an involved sysop (as they all are) removes it then we're asking for drama. Kevan can spend five minutes and solve the whole thing for the community, even if he just states that he declines to get involved and rule, which will obviously mean that the sysops cannot be found guilty of misconduct and this will allow the case to be archived. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I may have to agree with Iscariot here. Getting Kevan to say something, anything, will be the only way to end the case without pissing off Read and causing him to file another misconduct case to whomever is the sysop responsible for breaking procedure and then causing a '''huge''' wave of drama, and we all know he's chomping at the bit for something truly substantial to hit the administration with.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 18:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The amount of drama someone causes is only as much as everyone else allows them to (I wasn't mistaking you for Read btw Iscariot; I wasn't intending to implicate you whatsoever). If nobody feeds the troll he will eventually starve to death. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::My opinions on Read, yourself, the sysop team and Santa Claus aren't involved here. The simple fact that allowing the precedent of an involved party to remove a case shouldn't be something we're striving for. Personally I'd rather have Kevan rule, and I think we all know which way. However provided that Kevan publicly responds in some way, even if that response is ''"I'm not ruling, I don't get involved"'', then we have a way to remove the case validly. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::kk --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Read was irrelevant, he wouldn't have continued it and Iscariot has no intentions here but to try and cause said drama. It's what he always does, jumping on something someone else made and perverting it for his own attempts at causing needless drama and faux rebellion to stroke his ego that the sysops who punish him for his actions aren't trusted by the community. The validity of the case was never relevant to his trying to stir shit, neither was the legitimacy of any action a sysop could take in response to it, to him it's all gonna be called abuse. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Not seeing any reason to get involved here; either the misconduct system is poorly worded, or it's being misinterpreted. You shouldn't be able to accuse all but one sysop of misconduct, and allow that one sysop to judge the rest. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::yase, justice have prevailed --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 23:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Massive Zerging in Dunell Hills ==<br />
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About three days ago a large number of new characters all called "TheDeadDie" (i.e., TheDeadDie1 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467702, TheDeadDie15 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467737, etc.) started appearing in Dunell Hills. The first the DHPD heard of it was this iWitness report.<br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-10-09_2000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_5-36_zergertown_a5d-400-1db.html<br />
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There are now, apparently, over 100 of these characters.<br />
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Obviously there is an outside possibility this is a large group of new players but, on the whole, it looks like zerging on a massive scale.<br />
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The DHPD are currently trying to find out more about the situation and deal with it. We thought we should give you a heads up, however, in case there was something obvious in the server logs that would provide definitive proof of zerging and allow swift action to be taken at your end. We understand that you normally prefer to keep out of zerging cases, but this looks pretty outrageous to us and we thought you should, at least, know about it. [[User:Louise|Louise]] 11:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Aye, [[HKL]] ran into this bunch as well and were pretty put-off. [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-11-09_0200hrs_PRIVATE/IN_5-36_Dead_Zerg_Rush__a51-c5d-8a0.html Another iWitness] with even more of them crowded in. Profile search for [http://profiles.urbandead.net/index.php?name=TheDeadDie* TheDeadDie*] shows 102 of them at the moment. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::zergs like that are usually a flash in the pan. 10 bucks says they all idle out before level 3--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 15:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible big ass Zerg in Yagoton ==<br />
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Ok: We have ALOT of Fing lvl 1 free runnerfs hiding in St. Swithuns (which i am guessing you know is a revive point), its caded thanks to the idiots trying ot take over: and I'm guessing this mass colection of lvl 1 free runners (they all have free running only) are bots? They all joined around the exact same time as well.<br />
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*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471315<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471341<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471355<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471480<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471498<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471519<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=163604<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471501<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471358<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471347.<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471324<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471331<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471350<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471366<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471492<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471504<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471367<br />
:Those are the links, srry bout stretching but i forget which one tabs it into a Number.<br />
::Heres a picture of them all in one area. http://i43.tinypic.com/2lwr7k1.jpg<br />
:::Srry bout the mess this is making on the talk.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Take the list to resensitized, that's about all that you can do. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 05:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::One question about that picture. Where'd you get a version of UDToolbar that works with the latest version of Firefox? --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 08:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I just downloaded one? What's different about it? Also theres even more zergs now.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 13:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Jake, unlike how some folks would be I'll be nice here...Kev doesn't do anything about Zergs from info received on the wiki. as a matter of fact Kevan doesn't do a whole lot unless there was a significant amount of community input via the suggestions page and even then it is at his leisure. The Zerg issue is pretty much handled by other folks on the resens list and even then its pretty catch as catch can. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 19:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::No wonder UD fail so hard.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::As many have said before, if you don't like it, then leave. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I think he has sadism issues, as we try and try to get him to leave, but he always keeps coming back for moar abuse. It's sad really.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::You can tell me to go but that doesnt give you the power to make it happen.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I'm not telling you to leave, but it would probably be a good decision if you think UD fails. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 15:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::That's masochism, not sadism. --{{User:William Told/Sig}} 01:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Random Request ==<br />
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Next time you create a new city, any chance of bringing back the junkyard and wirecutters combo? Cheers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:+1. I have to admit to being bitterly disappointed to find open junkyards in Monroeville. :'( {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==TOU/S==<br />
Do we have a Terms of use/service page? I've been looking for a while, and I don't seem to see one. It'd be nice if we did, because then we'd know things that are expressly forbidden due to hosting issues and the like.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:If you cannot find it: it does not exist.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 22:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Oh piss off. No one is fooled by your act, so please just fuck off. Kevan? Do we have a list of things that are forbidden due to country laws, hosting issues, etc. or not (Not necessarily meaning it's available on this site, but one that you know about that pertains to the wiki)? I mean, yeah there are a few "duh" sort of ones, like no kiddie porn and stuff, but others I have no idea about. Any help?--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.com This site] (domain tools,) says that [http://www.as29550.net/ this] is his ISP, server located in England. The ISP has an "Abuse of TOS" email address, so presumably they have a TOS, although I can't find it. I have no idea about English law. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::From time on another, more combative, site I have a layman's understanding of British Law as it applies to defamation, slander, libel and the nature of physical threats and illegal actions that appertain to the settlement of the aforementioned. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::A brief education by the University of Google finds no such laws relating to death threats, but I would imagine that such a law would be buried deep in things like criminal codes. If it comes to it, I'll ask one of my teachers about the (Australian) legal system when it comes to these things, or one of my parents (both lawyers.) That said, that's ''Australian'' law, but our law is pretty similar to that of the UK. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Back in the Day Xoid and I had to do some research on the TOS because of a user abusing in serious violation of them. However I've gone looking and haven't been able to find the references anywhere still on the Wiki. It was probably on a talk page of some article that was deleted in an edit without being archived. The primary gist of it was this... any form of intimidation that went beyond a certain level of namecalling and usual wiki BS was a violation, ESPECIALLY if it included "real world"<sup>tm</sup> threats of harm or violence. Also included were any situation where hosted domains were used to damage the effectiveness of another website or host (as an example you couldn't use any part of the host to launch a d.o.s. attack on another domain. Not that this was really possible by anyone but Kevan. Also iirc the Wiki and the Game were on different hosts at teh time but I'm pretty sure that has changed since then. I don't know. I was never the techno-savant of the group and my memory is hazy. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Thanks Conn, that's a little bit of what I'm looking for. Just waiting for a response from the big man about all this now.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I also thought we had some basic terms on the wiki somewhere, but maybe we don't. The Poundhost terms of service are [http://www.poundhost.com/tos/ here]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Thank you, I'll start working on a page for the wiki.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 14:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|Semi-protection]] ==<br />
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...Was approved. I think all you have to do is change the autoconfirmed group to 1 week and 25 edits. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Going to update the config, it turns out that [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAutoConfirmCount $wgAutoConfirmCount] needs a later version of MediaWiki; this will either have to wait for a MediaWiki upgrade, or be reproposed without the edit count. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::We'll wait for the MediaWiki upgrade, there's no hurry. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wiki_Questions#Time_Travel?|Time Travel]] ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, we've just had a very weird thing happening with the edit histories. Where you trying to do something or was it just a bug? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No, I wasn't around at the time, I've no idea what that was about. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Okay, thanks. I'll do some poking at the Mediawiki help files if I have time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ever gonna update the game? ==<br />
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a lot of people are quitting the game.it's because you won't update the game. you need to push for 2-3 updates per month. i'm telling you so your game does not suffer. please update the game for the people's sake--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:How many games do you run, Yokotory? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Well I do run track and Cross-country. I ski on the weekends.Do you run at any games or track meets?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, rowing and weights are my sporting loves. The difference is that I'm not telling you how to run or ski, whilst you are trying to tell Kevan how to run a game which is heading toward four years of lifespan without once having had your help. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::I refuse to believe that Jerrel wasn't being a smartarse there. The concept of him actually taking your words in that way for real is just too retarded for words. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 06:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::He was kidding wasn't he?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I believe they call it intentional misinterpretation, an example of me employing that very device is on either Boxys or kareks talk page, something to do with alim and hagnat...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I was faced with the choice of believing that he's either cripplingly unfunny or a functionally illiterate retard. The evidence all pointed to 'Retard' so I went with that and answered as though serious.--[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 12:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
No, I'm telling him that his game is going into despair, whilist he is doing nothing about it.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And you're also telling him how to 'fix' it, which amounts to exactly what I said. Care to back up your claims? How far have numbers fallen in the last six months? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I really don't think a 'lack' of updates is the reason for dropping numbers. I'm not 100% sure the balance of some of the more recent updates is quite right but that isn't my call. But the game doesn't need a barrage of updates coming out every other month. The slow progression of the game over time gives it longer life than having quick fix after quick fix to keep people with low attention spans happy.--[[User:DI Marc Sweeny|DI Sweeny]] 01:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The numbers seems to have stagnated, actually. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
I'd like to thank you Kevan for taking your sweet time in updating the game. It's making it a little less full of people entirely incapable of self-motivation, thus making it more fun. Kudos to you sir. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Acctully Kevan is my idol. kevan is a good person for what he's doon.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 02:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Isn't this the dude who nominated himself for sysop after 200 edits? Yoko, do you think you could whip us up a cross-country and/or track MMORPG? Because that would be ''awesome''. Throw in some chainsaws, too, and maybe some crucifixes that shoot laser beams. You would totally show up Kevan! --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 04:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Okay, Now you all think I'm a retard. Sorry for pointing out what everyone else could not see. Sorry for pointing out the obvious. Most people in this game, (the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats, pardon me)would agree with me a think this game needs a freakin update. I take cybertonics and Coding as a special class at GU and I know it's hard to code, I've tryed it. But Kevan IS A TRAINED SPECIALIST. He could redo this entire game in a half hour if he wanted too. sooooo, whays a 1 UPDATE PER MONTH? is that so hard to ask?????<br />
add a new weopon, new builing, something. Please.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Last year kevan gave us 18 updates including 2 new cities. Give him a rest. {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And most all of them had someone complaining about the game being made harder or more complicated. A few legitimately, most because it screwed with their status quo. I have absolutely no clue why he would want to take his time between updates.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Making an update is a '''lot''' more than just coding it. The balance needs to be thought of thoroughly and it needs to be tested. These things take time. Sure, Kevan could probably push out ''one update a week'' if he wanted to and wasn't lazy, but those would be unbalanced and buggy updates. Unbalanced and buggy updates are more likely to drive people away than a lack of updates. The game simply doesn't need to change every month, not even every couple of months. If you find the game boring, ''go and do something interesting and different yourself''. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 09:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. Lots of rushed, unbalanced updates would simply destroy the game (and it has nearly [[On Strike|got to that point]] before.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Finally someone who agrees with me!!! Why drag out updates?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 21:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:"the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats" - Just so you know, I'm neither. Carry on. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm actually the only sysop to comment in this conversation - and I did it [[Talk:Main_Page#Out_of_date.3F|here]] (with the exception of Karek, who'll be [[A/DM|demoted soon.]]) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I find myself in the middle of this arguement, in terms of the two sides. On the one hand, I don't want Kevan to break the game balance every week, fix it and then break it in a different way the next week, but on the other I feel that an update is about due.<br />
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Besides, I think an update every two months or so isn't much of an ask, even if its just adding an item from the PR suggestions. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Can we please close this topic? Everyone wants to say something about Jerrel's ridiculous statement but I don't think it's worth the spam that it's leaving on Kevan's page. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Im sure on the 1st of april there will be an update. usually is! {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
Hey!!!! Everyone that wants an update should get together and go on strike!!!!!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop talking now. A strike for something as lame-assed as this is nothing short of pitiful. You are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
[[Image:Update.JPG]] because i had already done this and it seems a shame to waste such a half assed effort. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with both sides of this. I believe we need updates BIG TIME, but I also believe Jerrel has no right blaming Kevan. He's probably a busy man. As for a strike: No. Plain and simple. Now, can we stop spamming Kevan's pages please? Kthzbye. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::What do we so badly need an update for? The game is well balanced and has a fairly complex and robust play. More fiddly little detail skills likely won't improve that play any, and won't draw in / hold onto more players. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 06:40, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
Why won't Kevan Reply back to this?<br />
<br>I know i was being kind of offensive to you Kevan, so sorry.<br />
<br> But would you mind telling me WHY you won't update the game?<br />
I mean, you gave us two new cities last year!<br />
<br> and i appriciate it, but the game hasn't been updated since 2008!<br />
so, if you don't mind, i would really like to hear what you have to say.<br />
<br> (And please don't flip out on me, even though I have been a jerk)<br />
<br> And i'm also apologizing for being a jerk too.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 01:33, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Making new cities brings in motherfuckin' cash money. Adding skills and what have you doesn't. Comprende? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:28, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:We had an update just 15 days ago! --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 08:55, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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WE DID NOT! LOOK AT THE FREAKING UD START PAGE! NO UPDATE-PREHENDA?----[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 04:18, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Erm, the [[April Fool's]] Day update, the one that happens every year? My god you're dense. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:01, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
<nowiki>*facepalms*</nowiki><br />
<br>Sorry kevan, i usually get all my updates from the game.<br />
<br>nothing unusual happened to me on april 1st though.<br />
<br>i think i'm losing myself.<br />
<br>I AUTHERIZE TOPIC SELF-DESTRUCTION!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 15:52, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:In a word: Fail. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:59, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::He spams Kevan's talk page with so much crap I want to take him to VB... {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:36, 19 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:::I still say kevan should get some people to help him run the game, its rather fun and large for one person ot have to run alone. Oh and I'm not saying me, no I'd abuse it by banning a 4rth of the game and making revives harder again.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 23:58, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Donated Characters == <br />
Any chance that the "This character is no longer affected by the IP limit." banner that appears on your profile if you have donated $5 could be shown to everyone that visits the profile, not just the owner of the profile.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:exhibitionist. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And proud.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I think there's people who would not want that. Maybe if it was an option you could allow / turn off via settingas? {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:39, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I'd have it say "This character has been donated for.", but really, it's basically just showing off – link to your wiki page from your profile and [[Template:Donated|show off there]]. Oh, and I think you meant to post this in [[Developing Suggestions]]. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 08:12, 20 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I would totally come back to just pk people who have donated.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 04:37, 26 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::You've left?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 16:17, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Standing Zombies ==<br />
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Kevan, I can't find the topic from last time around, but the borehamwood stats. Standing zombies means literally that doesn't it. Active zombies with greater than 0 hit points? Not just active zombie characters? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:52, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Question about the last Update ==<br />
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"Survivors are once again looting the long-abandoned seasonal storerooms of the city's shopping malls, to find lights and trees for their safehouses." I'm assuming Christmas season in Malton is really long then, just wondering what kind of in game explanation we could use, --[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:01, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:"The snow has subsided and survivors are ready to feel bad about themselves again". Not that an explanation matters. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 03:11, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
::No, it's just5 that it seems awkward ot explain why we are still getting christmas trees in the middle of spring thats all: and we might wanna get a explanation, or kevan could take them out in a mini-update.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 2 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Where to suggest technical issues? ==<br />
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I have gathered [[User:Tumu/GameTech|a list of technical issues]] which might need a look (as they have been unfixed since 2007), but they don't exactly fit the bug reports page either (not user visible/annoying issues). Would this be more appropriate place to get a review for them? --[[User:Tumu|Tumu]] 09:26, 25 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:They do seem unlike those that go to [[Bug Reports]], but I think the best place ''would'' be to take them there. I'm only suggesting that however because no one else has given you any direction, and I apoligise for that. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:57, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Noted; there do seem to be a few weird oversights in there. Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:14, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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::Speaking of weird things, is it intentional for Flesh Rotters to get the benefits while alive? I'd have thought that since they were alive, their flesh wasn't rotting, so they wouldn't get the Flak+Body Building effects while alive. I'd like to know, because I'm going to make a suggestion to have it that way if its current effect is intended. if it's not intended, then this can be moved to Bug Reports. Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:41, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Bub's in danger! ==<br />
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Just so you know, a page dedicated to your character [[Bub]] is up for deletion. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:51, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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Yeah kevan please come and save that great page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:20, 29 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== A few things ==<br />
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Firstly, about that MediaWiki upgrade. Sorry if I'm pestering you, it's just that it would be quite useful (an upgrade to Checkuser would be nice as well, I've seen screenshots of a later version and it looks like it streamlines the process a little.)<br />
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Secondly, a user asked me the other day (a few weeks ago) about a problem he was having in my chatbox:<br />
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{{Quote|VI|Link, I need haaaaalp! I'm trying to make a shoutbox, here. The problem: when I, to get rid of the horizontal scrollbar, use "overflo*w:auto" instead of "overflow:scroll" the wiki's spam filter won't let me use that code. I don't know if you can edit the spamfilter (I'm wiki illiterate), but do you know how I can fix this? Thanks a ton. VI 22:05, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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I confirmed it myself, and wrote<br />
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{{Quote|Linkthewindow|Hmm... that's really odd. I can't edit the spam filter (at least not what I know of,) but I need to as Kevan about something {*cough*MediaWiki upgrade*cough*) so I'll ask him then. For future reference, I'll need this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features page]. Linkthewindow Talk 22:29, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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Finally, and on a pedantic note, would it be okay if you could turn the Guides namespace into a proper one? So [[Talk:Guides:Shelter]] is rendered as Guides talk:Shelter. As far as I know, there are a few in the Guide: namespace too, so we'll have some moving to do if this is done (sysops, of course.)<br />
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Thanks for your time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:58, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:I second this nudge.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:03, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:"over<nowiki></nowiki>flow:auto" is a standard spambot trick for hiding all their links in a 1px div, which I think we were having trouble with a few years ago. The filtering is possibly hardcoded somewhere.<br />
:If there's general support for another namespace, point me at the discussion and I'll add it.<br />
:Updating MediaWiki is on the list, but below "update the actual game" at the moment. I'll fit it in when I can. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:12, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Okay, then thanks. It's not a big deal about the spam filter, I'll start a discussion at [[Talk:Guides]] (although I can't see it being a big deal) and thanks about the upgrade. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:15, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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Kevan will doo it! Also, happy very belated birthday (13 May?) assuming your Amazon wishlist is correct!<tt>:D</tt> --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:24, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Oh, and don't [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|forget about this]] <tt>;)</tt>. And happy belated birthday! Only one month late. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:24, 4 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Suggesting Suggestions Change ==<br />
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I want your opinion on a proposed change I have to the Suggestions Layout. I’d think it would be more efficient to have a normal suggestions area, a clothing suggestions area, and a humorous suggestions area, all with links listed one after the other on the main voting page. I also see the humorous suggestions layout is a bit confusing, and I would recommend splitting it into 2 parts, the funny and the non-funny, then splitting it into the many categories (areas of effect) under each heading. I’d also ask if the humorous suggestions voting process would become something similar to the normal process, with each suggestion open for 2 weeks, but no SPAM votes (just FUNNY or NOT FUNNY). Would this be a viable option? I’d think the layout changes should at least make it easier to find and view them all.<br />
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I would also like to know if there’s a process for suggesting that certain stuff be added to the Frequently Suggested section on the main voting area. There seem to be some common ones I’d like to have added to the list.<br />
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I also have a question about the normal voting process that only you can answer. Does SPAM=STRONG KILL? I see it’s still a common issue today, and it’s still debated if you can vote SPAM for a strong kill, or only vote SPAM if a suggestion is game-breaking or horribly unnecessary. Also, could you check the voting guidelines section and make sure it matches whatever your decision is? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:46, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:In too many years of wasted time here I don't recal Kevan ever directly commenting on suggestions (or indeed much of anything else) so I doubt he is going to start now. Personally I wouldn't worry about where a suggestion heads just so long as its not unjustly '''SPAMMED''' and that's pretty rare. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:51, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::He does things every once in a while, when it actually requires his attention. Normally his hands off approach works pretty well because we manage to handle everyhting.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:58, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Okay, well, what are your takes on this then?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 18:11, 23 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Huge Ruin bug could leave the whole of [[Borehamwood]] caded in less than a month. ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, <br />
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Wednesday night a member of my borehamwood survivor group did a very large suicide repair, when he logged himself back on, he found he had 50ap and the building was repaired.<br />
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Thursday night, I attempted my own suicide repair and yet again the same thing happened.<br />
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We've done a lot of suicide repairs and as such we know that these were the highest repairs we have attempted. And they both worked. To check our findings, we asked another survivor to repeat the experiment, to confirm our spadework was correct. <br />
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It was. Not only that, but this survivor was able to enact the repair, recade the building to ehb and then enact ANOTHER suicide repair, which left them BACK on 50ap. In fact the survivor managed to repeat this 6 times. With one character. In one day. Before the 300 IP for one character kicked in. <br />
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At this time 4 of us survivors know the exact technique, but at least 10 others are pretty close to working it out (AP levels etc). I reckon by sunday all 51 survivors will have worked it out.<br />
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As it stands the whole challenge of surviving borehamwood is moot. We can't do coma repairs on 99% of buildings without this happening, and Im not expecting zeds to hang around with this giant loophole. It also destroys the smugness us survivors have from surviving for 6 months. <br />
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All 4 survivors who do know the trick have currently stopped repairing buildings within the range, but I can't control the whole population.<br />
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At the minute survivors could repair the whole of NE Borehamwood, Radlett or Elstree in a day, 1 survivor could reclaim the big brother house on their own, <br />
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Apologies for the lack of screenshots, but with permadeath as it is, we don't want to give away our position. <br />
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It seems to be a dupe of the following case on bug reports. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Bug_Reports#Massively_negative_AP_causes_AP_reset<br />
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Apologies for posting it here, but I felt the game breaking nature of this bug warrants the intrusion. Let me know if you need more details. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Thanks. Building repair has now been temporarily disabled in Borehamwood and Monroeville, while this is fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:46, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::When you say massive repair, do you mean it's bringing you to under -255 AP? I could think of some weird wrapping thing happening when the AP gets too negative and it tries to make it positive or something, capping at the 50 AP norm. 255's the magic number for how large a single byte can represent. It's may have something to do with what type of data Kevin's storing AP with - integer, double, float, etc. (whoo edit conflicted by Kevan) --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:49, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::The cutoff point (Now its banned) is -150ap Any suicide repair that takes you below this value creates the reset. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::::Very strange... -150 to 50 is a range of 200, nothing particularly significant. Then again, I have no idea how Kevan coded AP regen. Now the big repair costs have come back to bite in an ironic kind of way, eh? :P --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:53, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Its quite a wide range. Theres probably been only a handful of such building in Malton's history. Borehamwood has a whole cities worth. If it takes a while kev can we have an amnesty in the cities? Those pesky zeds are always chewing on our cades. I wouldn't mind but I've only got one life. :).--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:55, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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:This bug has now been fixed, and repairs have been enabled again in the other two cities. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:08, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Thanks Kevan! Swiftly done I must say. May all your future updates be bug free.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:10, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Twenty minutes... I'm hella impressed. Thanks for fixing this. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 17:18, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Wut? But half way up are the oldest posts, then they go up, then they go down... Thsi page is confusing ...--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Pointless [[Borehamwood]] request == <br />
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Can we have a public broadcasting system too? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:57, 3 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks for updating ==<br />
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Just wanted to say thanks for updating the game, I realize it's probably not high on your list of priorities. I'm sure everyone who plays appreciates it. --[[User:Mike411|Mike411]] 00:25, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
: Same here, Thanks Kev --[[User:Imthatguy|Imthatguy]] 04:41, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|This bug]] ==<br />
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As promised, I'm just giving you a heads up regarding [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|this display error]] that happens when UDToolbar interacts with the new update. We suspected it was a clash between the UDToolbar's manual HP colouriser and the new update colouriser, and Moonshine was able to go through some code to try and give you a hand. You may have already seen it, but hopefully what Moonshine and others have done can help you. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 14:27, 6 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Grammar Error==<br />
Just so you know, there's a grammatical error in the Fort Transmitter broadcast message:<br />
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''You broadcast [message] on 25.97 MHz, the using the fort's secure channel.''<br />
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It isn't going to break the game or anything, but it does make it look a little... 'sloppy'. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 21:54, 5 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:There is a page to report these [[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead|here]]. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<big><u><span style="color:DarkSlateGray">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkBlue ">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkSlateBlue">ℜ</span></u></big>]] 03:30, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:18, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Open Discussion/Borehamwood How Was It For You?]] ==<br />
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Community opinions on Borehamwood Collected in one place. Hope it helps with future projects. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:07, 13 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Something that might give you a laugh... ==<br />
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Here I was bored and tired so I wrote this, I thought it might be funny and I think you may find it even more so given it's nature, [[Developing_Suggestions#TUCOK_-BBHHN-_.28The_United_Churches_Of_Kevan.29_-Blessed_be_his_holy_name- (The United Churches Of Kevan) -Blessed be his holy name-]] -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 09:16, 24 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Upgrading the wiki again ==<br />
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It's about that time of year. The wiki could use an upgrade, among the various features mentioned many times in the past that upgrading to a more up to date mediawiki version would provide as of [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] there is now a NewUsers log, which would be invaluable for catching throw away and vandal alt accounts like [[User:Izumi]] and [[User:3pwv]] used to use along with actually making user efforts to be welcoming like [[Welcomenewbie]] accountable and possibly useful. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] also brought in the ability to view deleted user contributions(instead of just the current ones) for sysops, the ability to omit diffs after rollback, and a fix at least one particularly exploitable checkuser bug that would allow users to screw with the ability for sysops to search the logs.<br /><br />I'd mention some of the features in previous version updates but I'm sure by now you're pretty well aware of them as it's been brought up many times in the past. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14], though, would significantly increase the ability for sysops to do their jobs when dealing with actual page vandalism and adbot spam along with helping the wiki, in general, run more smoothly from day to day.<small>([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.15 1.15])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.13 1.13])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.12 1.12])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.11 1.11])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.10 1.10])</small>--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:40, 1 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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== FYI re: "satellite phone" ==<br />
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Hi. So I recently wrote a Greasemonkey script that adds a "satellite phone" to the game. It's a simple messaging system with a user interface that embeds itself into the game, by modifying the rendered page in the user's browser, as Greasemonkey does. The thing does resemble the in-game mobile phone quite a lot, by design. Here's [[DSS Satellite Phone|more info]].<br />
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This was discussed in Brainstock [http://s1.zetaboards.com/brainstock/topic/2220895/], and some people complained about it. It was said that this unbalances the game, "overpowers" a game item, bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages. This wasn't a general opinion--I certainly find it all a bit silly--but someone then suggested that what should be done would be reporting it to you, letting you decide if this extension is improper somehow.<br />
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I thought that was sensible, so I'm "reporting myself," in a way. Just posting it here as an FYI, so you are aware of this. Cheers. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 09:15, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:Sounds like the same kinda nonsense that would see forums done away with for everyone that isn't a survivor. That thread reads very much like the person who started it did so with that intent in mind. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:00, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:: Hey that was me! I started that thread, you can clearly see my name :-( , I just started it as someone mentioned it in game and I was wondering about peoples views on it thats all.---[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 06:35, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::karek i have ''no'' idea what you're talking about whatsoever.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:18, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::''"bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages"'', the whole thread cited is mostly a few people complaining because they don't like metagaming, not particularly even regarding the tool in question. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:19, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::That being said, email tends to get a better response rate/time from him depending on the title/content/sender. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:24, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Right, cheers Karek. Thing is, I'm not really expecting a response, and I'm not comfortable spamming his mailbox with this. I really do think this is all rather silly. I'm sure the game will survive my script long enough for him to read this at his convenience here. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 06:14, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::From the sounds of it, it's just a script that facilitates metagaming. Like using MSN, or as we do, IRC... except done in-game. There's nothing zerg-tastic about it, nor does it collect data in ways that might be perceived as unfair, like DEMON or UDBrain. There's no reason to worry about what some git on Brainstock said (and BS is chock full of gits...), don't sweat it --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:20, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::::Wonder what they say about us :*( --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 07:15, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::::They don't think about us, because they're not aware we exist. Most BSers really aren't too aware that there's a whole big world of UD players outside their little board. Well, ok, I think many are vaguely aware that zombies have this forum called bar-something-dot-something. And I think most of them are aware of the DEM subgroup called Red Rum; but this subgroup was created to give the appearance of in-game competition, to get around Malton's strong antitrust laws, so it basically counts as part of their self-enclosed milieu. Finally, many of them have used the wiki, but none of them will ever admit it, it's ''that'' taboo a subject. But other than that, to BSers, there is little other than BS. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:25, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Hello Kevan. No one pestering you on this page for over a month? Crazy. Just wondering if you were planning anything for [[Borehamwood]]'s big first birthday? Its only 2 days away after all........--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I know! Blow it up! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Nuke the Big Brother House! Finally, some reality TV worth watching. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Or halve the size of monroeville everyday. No one would suspect that! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::-Let alone notice it. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 02:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Kill anything and everything in Malton. That would be a TRUE surprise.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'd be interested to see if survivors could recover. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 05:29, 27 October 2009 (BST)<br />
::Of course we could! It would take about two weeks, but we could easily do it. If you wan;t ill explain on a talk page other than the big bosses. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Tommy guns. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Halloween update timestamps ==<br />
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Seem to be missing on the new kill messages [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/11-01-09_0100hrs_PRIVATE/IN_62-14__954-071-ba1.html example] also confirmed broken without any extensions/scripts {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 02:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I realise this may very well be a feature of the halloween event but with the changing of the kill messages the missing timestamps are a bit strange, just making sure you're aware {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 04:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, it's not just a lack of timestamps. I've noticed that all of the ones that lack timestamps are also for people that are not at my location. For instance, in [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Anubis_IV/urbandead/halloween_change_bug.png this screenshot], the ones with timestamps are for people actually at my location, while none of the ones without them were people at my location (there were more actions under those, but they all had timestamps and were for people at my location). It's also interesting that some of the groups of events that took place repeat themselves a few times, and that "to talk" showed up as a contact of mine, despite the fact that he isn't. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::<s>i'm guessing it's part of the halloween event thingy, i thought the implementation of the weapon name killings screwed up because there's no period or timestamp following but now i think about it it actually makes sense to neglect them if you're going to mass fake kill people... OHEY IS THAT SOMETHING SHINY OVER THERE *runs* {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 06:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
:::This doesn't seem to be like april fools where everything is just a joke but rather quite the serious bug, they're actual events happening elsewhere in the city {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 11:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Fixed. Looks like there may have been some minor echoes from kills elsewhere in the city. It was a bug, but consider it an eerie halloween event. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Could I have a clarification, please? This bug didn't create events but some simply appeared in a different location from where they actually occurred. Correct? --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 12:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it was a bug, I can't be 100% sure. Don't kill anyone over it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::Awww, man... Alright, then! *grins* Fair enough! --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 05:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Question about Malton ==<br />
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Is Malton considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_borough metropolitan borough] and a city similar to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester Manchester] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool Liverpool] or is it considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_county metropolitan county] with each suburb being a metropolitan borough? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leave it to Akule to bring up a question like that. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I always thought of it as a city state. Like, I don't know, Monaco or something. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The same wiki that gives you the examples also gives the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malton,_North_Yorkshire answer]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::...yes, but I didn't think the fictional city of Malton was actually the real city of Malton. You know, based on the fact it is nothing [http://www.ryedale.co.uk/ryedale/malton/malton.html like it]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, there has been hints that it was based in England, but I was just curious to know how much of it was based on being located in England. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::You've never thought to know more about Malton? ;) --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::D'eh...MAYBE?!?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Borehamwood throws up even more questions, as being based on dead set IT IS based in england. Borehamwood has no gun stores in its shopping centres, and only 2 railway stations and supermarkets, so it would appear Malton IS somewhere different. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Strike time==<br />
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I am hearby requesting a striking of a ban from my vandal record as i have reached the requirements as per policy. I will be placing this request on an assortment of your peers talk pages so as to insure that this time, my striking isn't mysteriously postponed so as to further tarnish my record despite no wrong doing on my part. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 15:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Update-ah==<br />
So, what's the word on the updates being done to the wiki? Just making sure you don't forget ;) --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 18:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass >:| {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Are you in support of the Copenhagen Summit?==<br />
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Bascially I'm asking if we're having snow this year. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It's on its way. And I'm fairly comfortable with the carbon footprint of a zombie apocalypse. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers. I was wondered that the server itself was snowbound, swindon being as cold as it is. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Just realised how badly this might screw perma death survivors. Hmm. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Hmm. How long is '''temporary''' Kevan? How many hours do they take to fade? Also some of the fields in permadeath cities don't look that snowy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:17, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I can confirm this. Only one of the field colours has turned white.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's random, but averages to six hours. Fields should be fixed now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::The fields are fixed.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Any chance of bloody snow for outdoor deaths? --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 02:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::it exists check it out [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/12-22-09_2100hrs_PRIVATE/OUT_15-78__210-11a-044.html] "thick snow splashed with blood" "Blood <br />
soaks into the snow." --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 02:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== urbandead.org ==<br />
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I presume you have probably seen this but it looks like a phishing site for peoples log in, just thought I inform you of it incase you want to take action.--[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 01:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
: If you check out the "revive que" there are [[MoB]] members as well as this gentlemen [[User:GasCandle]] who is banned from editing the wiki. I didn't dig much further into the "revive list" once I saw that gentlemen. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I looked a little further and the /whois looks made up http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.org which is why a few people have mentioned it might be a scam. --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 02:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::The person who created the suspicious website has changed it. If you want to see screenshots from before it was changed, or see his explanation, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Ripf22|the A/VB case]]. --{{User:Jasonjason/sig}} 22:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Spawning]]==<br />
Just finished writing an article on it. I have a question that I can't really find out from spadework. If there were no Necrotech's in Malton below Heavily Barricaded, where would new Necrotech Assistant's spawn?<br />
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Also, UD is still only copyrighted until 2009 and I discovered a grammatical error I posted on the relevant page. Thanks. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Typos fixed. Under the current code, NecroTech staff would just start on the streets somewhere. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 08:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers fearless leader. I wish you well with the April 1st update. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 08:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hey, lazybones! ==<br />
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When the fuck are you going to get around to fixing the Goddamn game? Love 'n' kisses --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 08:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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While you're at it, try to get urbandead popular again, the number of active characters is starting to drop below 20000, maybe it's time for some advertising, eh? --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Urban Dead might be popular if it wasn't such a broken game! What with the radical, nigh-unplayable imbalance that makes it utterly pointless to play a zombie. Oh, and that worthlessness carrying over to making it such a breeze to play a survivor. I mean there's absolutely no point in being a survivor when you can just stroll around the city without risking your neck. I mean even a large, dedicated horde of zombies (of which the game has, like, ''two'') can't hold back one tenth their number in survivors.<br />
:For a zombie apocalypse game, there are fuck all zombies and there is fuck all apocalypse. The only way anyone really has fun is either griefing or sitting around roleplaying all day. And who the fuck can grief properly when the game is a buggy, unfinished pile of shit that makes it literally impossible for one of the sides to win? Not to mention that if all you're doing in game is roleplaying, what's to stop you from just doing it on a forum? Oh wait, nothing whatsoever, which is why the fucking unofficial forums for this game have more action than the game itself.<br />
:Urban Dead is broken, Kevan shows no interest in even ''looking into'' the billions of problems it has, so you're better off closing your browser and playing Left 4 Dead or something. Y'know, that's the zombie apocalypse game where the survivors face a credible threat that can't simply be trounced by locking a door and pushing a vending machine in front of it. '''FIX THE FUCKING GAME.''' --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:38, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Have you chaps considered that you're horrifically ungrateful for a ''free'' game that's meant to be a 5 minute distraction? --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Some of us have actually given money to this game, by the way. It's not unheard of that people do pay for things online. If he removes the DONATE button then maybe we won't "have the right" to complain anymore, but until then I and others are paying customers wanting some damned customer service. But you keep that smug attitude because I'm sure it's helping you go far in life!--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not ungrateful, but I'd like to continue to play urbandead which I won't be able to do if the numbers of players keep dropping forcing Kevan to eventually pull the plug. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Well this "chap" thinks that if you're going to release something for public consumption, it shouldn't '''suck'''. The fact remains that the game is unbalanced, which makes it unfun. If, say, World of Warcraft made it so that the Horde had 1/10th the hit rate of the Alliance, Blizzard would be fucking crucified. Free or not, lousy design is lousy design. I'm not saying this out of ''entitlement'' or anything retarded like that, I am saying it as someone who wants to play the game without being gimped to fuck just because I want to be a zombie instead of a survivor. Of course, the alternative is for me (and the thousands of others who feel this way) to stop playing a game that is basically designed at the very basest level to screw us over. Then, WHOOPS! Goodbye donations and ad revenue! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 23:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I actually think that what 'ruined' the game (at least balance wise) was zombies... The very fact that they sucked to play forced people to either leave or organize, net result mega hordes that were basically unstoppable and forced buffs for survivors to give them a chance while making it even less rewarding to play a feral zed. To all intent and purpose this game has more sides than it was ever designed for. We have survivors and zombies but each of those are split into different play styles which the mechanics struggle to balance. Basically survivors are better at killing other survivors than zombies are and zombies often end up killing other zombies more than actual survivors. Hell, some survivors max out without even seeing a zombie and the game set-up makes it an unrewarding struggle to level a new character in a city full of veterans. At the end of the day I think this game needs to evolve before it dies.... New (short lifespan) cities are probably the best way forwards in my opinion because the early days with their actual struggle to survive against 'equals' are great fun, the sense of discovery of a new place also really adds spice too. But hey, too many people seem attached to their maxed characters that they hardly ever play anymore to even contemplate such a thing! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I think most of us will agree that ''something'' needs to be done, which is exactly what isn't happening or at least it seems that way. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Maybe fixing the '''ABYSMAL''' hit rates for zombies might help. I mean, ''supposedly'' I have a 30% chance of hitting with a bite attack against a given target for 1 AP. Now, I can easily spend (and have spent) 15 AP and only hit on that last, 15th attempt. What are the chances of this happening? Mathematically, you say it was (3/10)^15, or a 0.000001% chance. That isn't "bad luck", that goes beyond "bad luck" and into the realms of "your coding is so shitty if I saw it I would try to flush". There is actually more chance of me rolling the same number 10 times in a row on a regular six-sided die than there is of me missing that many attacks. But it happens, it happens frequently, and it's one of the billion reasons why this game needs a severe overhaul, and/or someone competent working on it. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 02:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::No one cares about your opinion. But is that why you've resorted to spamming Kevan rather than stick to your own 'zombie improvements' in your userspace; you realise no one cares anymore? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 02:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
Katthew actually makes some damn good points rather than resorting to ad hominem. [[Groove Theory]] would not be possible with a properly implemented RNG, but [[Bug Reports#Groove Theory is working again|oh, whoops]]! Also, Honestmistake, what game are ''you'' playing? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 10:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:These days? Mostly Bobwars (wigbl.com)... What exactly is it you don't agree with in my post though? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Sadly, I kinda agree with Honest, feral zombies have it extremely hard these days. They need to follow hordes around or just lay around and wait for destruction in their suburbs. Once the horde is gone though, their goes the bulk of your food. Its almost beneficial nowadays to be a killer or a survivor and thats it (assuming your not in a horde). --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 15:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Or just sit tight. Even a modest number of zeds can keep most buildings ruined. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I demand that the game be "fixed" so that those who can't get laid will have something to do before and after they masturbate! HELP THEM, KEVAN! You're their only hope... --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 17:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Well looky, a whole cluster fuck load of whining.<br />
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Want more people to play? Go and fucking recruit them yourselves. Don't ask Kevan to fork out even more from his own pocket so that your enjoyment of this free game is improved. You spend the money. You put the work in. Alternately you all could shut the fuck up.<br />
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Want some changes? The FAQ says quite clearly to put them through the suggestions system rather than whine here like a bunch of fucking fort dwellers. Want Kevan to build you your own city to your own ideas? He's done it before for distribution companies, just do the same thing they did. Pay the man. Kevan's a professional, pay him his hourly rate if you want something. You're entitled to shit for free. He's nice enough to continue to let the game be played for free, so let's say enough with the comparisons to the money gouging and spyware installing World of Warcrack. Ask the man nicely how much your own city would be, plus an hourly rate for any bugs that appear, plus a negotiated set figure of each major update. Then go have a bake sale, car wash or just start selling organs on the black market and give Kevan the money for the work you want him to do.<br />
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Put your money where your whining is. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Back when I was an admin and I moderated the Suggestions page with an '''IRON FIST''', it was still a worthless piece of shit. These days it is approximately fifty gajillion times more useless and shitty. Kevan doesn't read it any more than he reads any other section of this wiki, not even just because he's lazy as sin, but also because they're not worth reading. Also, I've already dragged people into this game. Maybe you remember [[The Dead]]? You know, the 10,000-strong superhorde that practically ''wrecked the entire fucking game?'' All me, bitch. I got that shit ''going''. Because unlike you, I am one proactive motherfucker who doesn't sit around doing shit-all.<br />
:So don't you fucking talk to me about recruiting people to play this game, you measly-mouthed little cumstain. I brought in more than you could possibly imagine with that withered rectum you call your brain. But hardly any of those people stayed around. Do you know why? Because '''''THEY GOT TIRED OF PLAYING A BROKEN PIECE OF SHIT GAME WHERE THEIR CHOSEN SIDE WAS DELIBERATELY NERFED AND FUCKED OVER AT EVERY CONCEIVABLE TURN.''''' That is what killed The Dead, you scurrilous prick-hungry cockholster - the fact the game '''sucks'''. We weren't beaten by any survivor group, we never even considered any survivor group to be more than the metaphorical bug on the windshield. Ten thousand zombies, motherfucker, and even with the ridiculously low hit rates, nonexistent RNG and inverse XP curve, we ruined your pathetic little world. If it hadn't been for all the flaws that UD has, driving away almost every single new player we drafted in, we'd have killed every last survivor in the city and turned it into a true zombie apocalypse.<br />
:So fuck you a million times up your gaping, cavernous asshole. I know what I'm talking about, and I know more about what ''you're'' talking about than you could ever hope to. Now sit the fuck down while the grown-ups have their chat, sweetie. We'll get you some crayons and glue, so you can cram them into your snotty orifices until you suffer fatal brain damage. Kiss kiss! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Awww, poor cutie, is it too much if someone disagrees with you? I see you missed the major point, given you're ''so'' proactive and have such a large group of minions, why haven't you rallied them to donate a sum of money so that you can pay Kevan to make the game that you believe is fair? It's a very simple question. Kevan works for money, as proven by Borehamwood and Monroeville, if you want a map with your 'improvements' incorporating then you have to provide the same incentive that two distribution companies already did. Shouldn't be hard, after all you are ''"one proactive motherfucker"''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::There are points on both sides, but Katthew wins for making me laugh more than Is's logic makes sense.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkTurquoise">Big</span>]][[User:Cyberbob240/Classifications|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> Cat</span>]] 08:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, what killed the Dead was all the whining survivors that couldn't handle a "zombie apocalypse" and needed the syringe find rate to be upped to almost 100%. But come on, Katthew, don't be a bitch. Little Issy's Mall Tour had what 300 zombies? Awwwww, that was the same number as the Central horde of the Dead. You know, back when it was winding down and most people wanted to be in the East or West coast Hordes. But, no, I'm sure he knows all about running big bad zombie hordes. I'd really like to know how much money The Dead generated for Kevan with ad revenue and people buying no IP limit. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Feeling left out DCC? Never mind, go create yourself a couple of new accounts to agree with yourself, that'll make you feel better. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Good gum, you're actually still whining. How clear does this have to be? '''Kevan doesn't owe you jackshit'''. It's a browser game that is '''free to play''' and pretty cool if you spend about 5-15 minutes on it. If you want a game that you can put all of your obsessive time into, then go ''buy'' one. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: As for the whole "I donated, so he '''owes''' me", the key is in the name; ''donation''. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Massively pointless question #95==<br />
The "Are you sure?" Messages received when you A) Attempt to buy brain rot, and B) Attempt to jump from a building. Do they count towards your IP hits? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm going to say yes to the first (as it reloads the map screen) and no to the second as it's on the skills screen. The IP hits total is only known to count on the map screen, not on skills, settings or profile screens. Unless Kevan says different. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::oh, and I demand another easter egg hunt. Perhaps with bunnies this time around. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:03, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If he gets a hunt for chocolate eggs I want a button that allows me to nail sanctimonious pricks to trees as it's a much older tradition for this time of year. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:19, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::''Iscariot makes sly comment about organised religion.'' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:08, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: I'd like to see zombies replaced with rabbits for a day. Stronger bite! EAR DAMAGE. Hop for 1AP --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Settling a bet==<br />
While you're here reading this, settle a bet for me, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARapture&diff=1683378&oldid=1683265 do you enjoy all the money that zergers provide you?] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:00, 30 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you're asking whether I give any leniency to players who've donated, when they've done something that would merit a character being disabled - no, I don't. Donation status doesn't factor into any of the alt-abuse or banning scripts. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:01, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::I think the players in question are working off the assumption that them having more characters means more views of the ads connected in the game and that equals more money for you. It wasn't meant to question your impartiality at all, just a question of economics when connected to the game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:35, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::No, this isn't a consideration when banning characters. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:08, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Game updates==<br />
I'm sure things are updated regularly, for maintance, ect.,.... things that wouldn't normally be reflected in the game updates. Just out of curiosity, what is the current status of the "Game Updates" though? I noticed there seems to be a lack of them here latly (not that it's a bad thing, or that I mind), it's just that I was curious as to your thoughts, and opinions on the subject.... -{{User:Poodle_of_doom/signiture}} 04:27, 7 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==April Fools?==<br />
A couple days before April Fools i was surfing the wiki and decided to look it up. The pranks there were hilarious! Especially the 2008/2009 ones. I couldn't wait to see what would come out next. But nothing happened and the wiki said you didn't do anything. Any specific reason? And yes i know Kevan is busy and yes i know we're thankful its a free game i'm just curious --{{User:Gt71/Sig}} 21:52, 27 April 2010<br />
:I was actually halfway through some other updates in late March, and decided against diverting any of that development time for an April Fool's joke. In the end, I didn't have time to put anything live - April's been busy, but I hope to get back to those main updates in the next week or so. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:37, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
::Excellent. Kevan, as you're here, with the perma death cities is it fair to assume all updates are carried over into all three citys? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:22, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Pretty much. If a mechanic would unduly unbalance remaining gameplay in the other cities I'd make them exempt from it, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:29, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hey Kevan==<br />
What's up? How are things in the real world? I haven't been around Urban Dead that often in the past few weeks, but it seems like little has changed... aside from the survivor/zombie ratio being the worst it's been in years, but that's besides the point. <br />
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On that note, would you happen to have an opinion on the "[[Escape]]" gathering in western Malton? <br />
Just thought I'd say hi, --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 07:36, 5 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Open Accounts==<br />
Currently, in Woodborne NT in Owsleybank, there are a few characters with names that make it blindingly obvious that they're open. Their names are [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1012934 mypasswordispassword], [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1743445 mypasswordispenis], and [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1367615 mypasswordishelpme]. Knowing your stance on open or communal accounts, I decided to bring them to your attention. --[[User:Shank Case|Shank Case]] 02:06, 25 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== June 1 ==<br />
It seems appropriate on this date of great expectation (Read that: ESCAPE) to reflect on a simple fact; I have taken many hours of pleasurable distraction from your game. I have enjoyed meeting people from around the world and the various schemes and factions they have created using your game as a springboard for their own creativity. While I live in New England, I have traveled to the other side of the globe and yet-I can honestly say I "know" more people around the world as a result of this little game then in all those thousands of miles of travel. So while I have "contributed" it would seem at least good manners to say thank you for what you have done. I have only been playing for close to a year, and I hear many folks voicing opinions about the "state of the game". I just thought it might be appropriate to suggest that the reason they feel so strongly about it is because it is a flexible well designed system that has added millions of hours of gaming to people worldwide. So, thanks for your efforts and creativity.--[[User:Belisarius17|Belisarius17]] 04:50, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Nudge ==<br />
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That pre April updates taking its time now. The anticipation is killing me. There's some discussion going on about changes to Monroeville. Is it something you would consider, or as it was sponsored by others are your hands tied about what you can do with it? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:57, 26 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:Well UD's 5th birthday is coming up on July 3rd, we can cross our fingers and hope it's the update we've been waiting for. I hope it's another Easter Egg hunt, but with potatoes! -- [[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 07:27, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
::my paper hat is a bit battered. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:49, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Happy Birthday! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:51, 3 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Update me already.... :) -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:32, 9 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Radio Filter ==<br />
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Apparently, the radio filter also affects the military channel (25.96MHz). There any way to disable it on this station? {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 19:46, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:Teehee. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:48, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Muhahahahaha. Is it [[The Mycock Building|Mycock]] ? shits so [[ALiM]]. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::ps wtf is this radio filter and where did it come from? user made or kevan made? etc etc{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:39, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If you broadcast something vulgar, it will replace the word with *static*. It's been this way since the introduction of radios. The problem is that many buildings contain the word cock, and thus can't be broadcast. It's been brought up before, but they didn't mention the EMR channel. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 06:51, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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Epic design flaw fail! If only Kevan didn't have such a dirty mind! --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 11:17, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Offensive in-game names? ==<br />
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Are there any rules re what one can name their character? Are there not ''any'' limits? I recently ran into NIGGERHATER88 (yes, all capitalization - that's a copy/paste) and they're not a new character by any means - really? Really?! --[[User:Swingin' Sam|Swingin&#39; Sam]] 19:00, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you don't like someone, kill them. It shuts them up in real life, why wouldn't it work here? --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 19:07, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:fuck off it's a free game suck it the fuck off or go play wow. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:10, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Just for your information, 88 means HH — the Hitler salute. This guy is definitely a Neo-Nazi.<br />
::If Kevan isn't going to ban him, then killing him is the way to go. Just treat him like a [[Ignore List|text rapist]]. I'm against PKing in general, but such despicable people deserve it.<br />
::And the above poster could benefit from [[Civility]] as well. -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 22:04, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I just love you militant anti-nazi types. You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs ''is fascism itself''. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means ''allowing'' people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:12, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Or more likely, he's simply a troll. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, for the reasons Mis outlined. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:17, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::^ --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 00:18, 21 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::<3 mis. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:48, 22 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Deadline ==<br />
[[Image:Emot-argh.gif|100px]] --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:22, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:{{Quote|Buzz Lightyear|You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.}}<br />
:[[Big Bash 3|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-size: 80%">&hearts;</span>]] [[User:MoonShine|<span style="color:Black">'''Moonie'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:MoonShine|Talk]] | [[User:MoonShine/Testimonials|Testimonials]]</sup></small> 12:51, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::<span title="He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's pro-zombie, as it obviously needs to be.">I disagree. He can take as long as he wants. He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's fair and balanced.</span> --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 20:20, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Two Months later, Kevan responds by implementing [[20070314_Zombie_Rocket_Launchers|Zombie Bazookas]].--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 20:31, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Noes! Still, I don't think working with a deadline is a good idea if your not going to keep it. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:39, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::He must have had a problem coding [[Suggestion:20100616 Binocular Sniping|Binocular Sniping]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:40, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hate\Race based groups ==<br />
What are your views on Urban Dead being used by Hate groups ?<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Combat_18<br />
With the user using imagery in attempt to bring race into the game. Eg: <br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Cornholioo<br />
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I don't this is the actual RL group, just some pathetic little teen with anger issues. But still ? Should we look forward to the arrival of the KKK. Al Queda(?), Black Power, Mongrel Mob and the Care Bears ?<br />
--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 20:36, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Look just two headers above this. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::Why ? - this isn't about offensive names in-game as I email those to Kevan. Its about losers spewing their race\religion hate in the wiki thinking that they have the "right to". Didnt some of pH get banned for the 9\11 phased crap in game ?<br />
:From what I gathered of the YouTube video Cornholioo posted, it does look like Combat 18 is an actual, real life neo-Nazi group. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:15, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::They are. There was an old Louis Theroux doc on them. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:17, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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Shall I make the Red Hand Commando's\Real IRA\Al Qeada pages now then and target any British\US based group ?--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:04, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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{{Quote|Misanthropy|You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs is fascism itself. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means allowing people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose.}}<br />
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::::Jesus its like talking to school children. This isn't real life, this isnt a political arena, people have no politcal rights here. This is a game and what Kevan says gos.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:10, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::Yes it is like talking to school children. In five years has anyone ever been banned for anything other than zerging? No. Not once. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:16, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::This isn't about ingame characters (Also back in 05 I beleive offensive names were also nuked) this is about the wiki policy on HateGroups. The wiki is different to ingame as a user can contact any group or individual in a split second? and post there hate imagery\text on any page. Yet there is no policy only the rustling of paper under the false pretence any user here actually has any rights at all.. --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:29, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::If it's about the wiki then you'll get nowhere, there's not a single sysop corrupt enough to ban users/groups based solely on their beliefs. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:32, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Well obviously thats why I'm posting here as this isn't real life so a users beliefs don't come into it, but what they post on wiki pages. Being non-white I take offense at that and the wiki administartion deosnt appear willing to act --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:44, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::We are not going to act. We're not going to ban groups based on content. [[Columbine Kids]], [[Nazi Party of Malton]], etc, etc, have not been banned, nor will this one. Yes it is offensive to people. So is the insult "faggot" but nothing has ever been done about its usage, nor about a million and one percieved wrongs. All you have to do is simply ignore the one sole user causing your offense, and he's liable to end up getting himself banned anyway, or he'll wander off due to not being given the attention he craves. Asking for the rules to be different for one group of users than for another is just wrong. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:49, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm asking for Kevans opmnion , not yours otherwise I would have posted on your talk page.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:51, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::As much as we'd all love to see less hate here,... you're arguing against one of the wiki janitors,... you know, the guys who take care of this place on Kevan's behalf... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:55, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::Yes I have seen the sterling work you perform on his behalf, however I dont think there is a difference between a) banning a user ouright (Where race hate has no place in a simple game(not real life)) and b)Or saying he id allowed his views but then have wiki administrators trolling the user with a view to entrapping him into a rant, thus leading him to his ban. I would have thought a janitors role was to be impartial and not provoke a user knowing how he will react--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 09:56, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::I agree with some of your sentiments and I understand your concern about some of the ops and their behaviour going against a role model status on the wiki- but situations like this only prove that a sysop- janitor as you say- is exactly that- a regular user with the buttons only given to those entrusted not to misuse it- it's been a long lost fact to this wiki that sysops are still regular users, and should behave as such, which is why using sysop status as a symbol of authority over another user is serious misconduct. Do I give Cornholioo a hard time? For sure, but that's not so I can just go to A/VB and force his banning- I abstain from conflict of interest situations such as his recent banning because I know that following through my pestering actions with bias as a mod is abuse. The ops aren't specifically here to be looked up to, although I still understand where you're coming from and I partially agree that Cornholioo is getting a hard time compared to any other user in terms of sysop bias. I do think it's a shame this perceived bias is being overlooked by the community just because of the user in question. I was surprised the amount of ops who said yes to his permaban, and it's worth noting that the sysops who pester and bait him the most were the ones who voted no to the perma. Typically a perma is only for someone who is literally just trying to break the wiki on a regular basis, not someone who gets baited weekly, and if that was your assessment of the vote I agree with you. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:30, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Invitation==<br />
{{RIAC Invitation}}<br><br />
You know you want to find a group and join.... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:57, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mediawiki Update (2) ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, just to let you know [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Update the Wiki Software (2)|this policy]] requesting a mediawiki has been passed. It asks if you can go up to 1.15.4 but the newest version (which came out while this went voting) is 1.16.0 and if you could find some time to upgrade that would be awesome. =) Thanks from us all. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:25, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Another note that image undeletion is enabled by default on the new software. Enabling image undeletion will increase disk usage (as "deleted" images won't really be deleted, but hidden,) so you might want to consider disabling it and keeping the status quo. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:12, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Virus Advertisement ==<br />
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Um... Kevan, I'm not sure if it's your concern, but one of the advertisements in the UD log-in screen is probably a hacking scam.<br />
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The advertisement, for a game called "Slum City Enforcer" lead to this link http://www.iwon.com/dl/index.jhtml?theme=slumcity2&partner=ZLxdm256&spu=true&sub_id=1579&clickid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000&ce_cid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000<br />
When I clicked on Play Now for the game, it tried to download a trojan, which my anti-virus caught. <br />
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I really hope you can block this bad ad from Urban Dead. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 03:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If I'm not mistaken, the UD site, and wiki, tend to make use of Google Ads,... which help generate profit for the site. That said, there is very little Kevan could probably do about it, aside from removing the ads themselves. That said,... that would be counter productive. I hope Kevan gets back to you though.... He probably knows more about it than what I do. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 04:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:: It is based on google advertisement, I used to get so much stuff for Umbrella's when I was in Umbrella and then UBCS. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 06:00, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::The last time we were hit with malicious ads (The urbandead.org phishing site bought out the wiki sidebar) an administrator contacted the ad agency and had them remove the ads. If you're sure that this is a malicious link, file a report with [http://www.google.com/ads/adwords/ Google Ads]. You've experienced what happened, so you're best suited to explain why this is a bad link.<br />
:::Also, I spammed refresh on one of the screens that displayed ads, and this site never came up. There's a chance it's already been reported and/or expired. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 06:57, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::[http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/iwon.com/summary/ McAfee seem to think it's okay], for a debatable value of "okay", but I've blocked it from my sites on the off-chance. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:34, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: Thank you Kevan! You're awesome. --[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 23:25, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==<s>Early August</s> Mid August.==<br />
That is all. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:30, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:The more you bug him, the more he'll put it off!!! You're tiring him! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:32, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::It takes 5AP to read his talk page, and a game update is like a 500AP suicide repair.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:33, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Brilliant man.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:45, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Pretty sure I just fucking jizzed -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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/thread -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Because I can't think of another place to put it ==<br />
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I am formally lodging a complaint that this game, the city of malton and this wiki, have a decidedly and unfair British/English/insert other term Bias in terms of names, time, spelling, ect.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:19, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If the fact that Kevan, the servers, and the town Malton are all based in england, counts as "unfair", then I guess you're right!!! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 01:22, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I have other ''Complaints'' as well but they are trivial or realistic mostly. And yes that is the exact problem, we should remedy this somehow.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:24, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::By buying Kevan new servers and a new house? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:25, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::: Nonsense we will just begin housing them with you Mis. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:27, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::We could house him in say, Australia.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:28, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::I dunno I like the idea of moving him to Ireland with me. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:30, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::: I don't know Mikalos has a point, lets send him and the servers to Australia, then when Grim throws his next coup he literally can just walk away with the hardware :D --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:34, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::Grim lives in Australia?--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:37, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::: [[User:DanceDanceRevolution/sandpit/quotepit#grim|This seems relevant]] --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:39, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Just as I learn this, I read that the current PM of Australia has suggested that, after the Queen dies, Australia should change into a republic. That might complicate things such as moving for unknown reasons.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:43, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::So grim is trying to enact a coup on all Australia. Wow. Good effort. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:25, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::So the problem still exists, Im afraid if this problem is not rectified soon, i will have to start a demonstration against this unfair and obvious pro-English bias. And furthermore, why is the entire encyclopedia, besides certain pages, in English and not zombie languages? While the English language bias?--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 02:49, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::Grim is Julia Gillard.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 19:43, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Malton is in South Africa and/or Hell. /thread. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 05:59, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:I would like to lodge a complaint that Kevan has not hand delivered crumpets to me. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:41, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I have a complaint about the city organization... to the effect that the city is a perfect square... which is awkward; followed by the lack of a obvious pre-outbreak structure from while the city was operated from; followed by a lack of any buildings for the leadership and organization of the numerous civil service operations. I Herby make a official complaint of poor construction and city planning. --[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 23:53, 19 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::The city isn't square. We're just in the quarantined portion of a much larger city. The quarantined portion is square. Also, what of all the fire stations, police departments, and the like? And those named buildings aren't just for big business, I'm guessing. I'm willing to bet that quite a few of them housed government and civil operations of varying sorts. Everything seems in order to me (well, aside from the zombies, of course). {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:32, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::the suburbs are very squarish then >.> because they cant be just simple quarantine inventions. and yet the way the city if ordered, it seems likely there would be a governmental structure in the confines of quarantine malton.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 00:35, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::What I wonder is why are there so many Necrotech buildings? You would think they would have just made one centralized Necrotech facility instead of having 211 different offices around the city. Oh well, too late to fix now.--[[User:E Gadus|E Gadus]] 01:38, 20 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::There are vast tracks of empty land as well, for no real reason. From what I've looked at, the closest thing to a single NT main complex is that area with... what, 2 or 3 right next to eachother? <br />
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also, the quarantine has been going on for 5 years, what the hells the military doing? better question, they were fine with locking us in, and not caring after that; why not just carpet bomb the place >.>--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:42, 20 August 2010 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=1762059User talk:Kevan2010-08-19T23:35:57Z<p>Mikalos209: /* Because I can't think of another place to put it */</p>
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==Three Minutes...==<br />
...Since anyone last commented you on here. Very upsetting. How's everything going with the game? Is everything good?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:What are you talking about? Scroll down to the bottom, haha. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:42, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:You're a funny one. Also, the page's confusing because Kevan doesn't state to put new stuff at the bottom or top, unfortunately, so people go with wherever their own preference is. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:59, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::I tend to look for a trend. Unfortunately, it turns out that the trend i followed only applied for the two posts i read.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 20:06, 13 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville Badges==<br />
Just so you know there are survivors (although very few) that are still roaming around in Monroeville. It would be nice if you could give some kind of emblematic badge of appreciation for the few that made it this far. I hope thats not asking too much, but for staying alive this long its quiet a feat to accomplish and deserves some kind of reward.<br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 02:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Monroeville Airlift==<br />
Hi Kevan,<br />
I am one of the few remaining survivors in Monroeville. With the Christmas update being implemented, I was curious to know if I set up a Christmas tree and some lights in a building for a few days, would a Helicopter come by and take my character to Malton? I don't want to do something in vain that could end up killing my character that has survived for ten months... <br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 06:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:hey Evildiehard, i'm The Last Unlucky Guy, we were in harvey's group together, i like that idea, can i get in on it too? Getting my character out of Monroeville would be great, i've grown too attached to him and if i got killed, especially after going solo, and survivng for this time, it would really suck :( --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==clothing suggestions==<br />
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Hi, long time no see. I've got another question about clothing. I see that you haven't implemented any new clothing for almost a year and the pages in question are receiving little to no traffic. Are you still in need of new Clothing ideas [[Clothes/Suggestions|Suggestions]] or can I close the page and move everything into their relevant archives?--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Will donate for awesome clothing ==<br />
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Basically, I was just wondering that if I donated $50AU or something, that maybe you might code in some blood-proof clothing, just for moi? I mean, it's a decent chunk of funds as all... --{{User:Medico/sig}} 01:30, 26 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Broken Wiki page ==<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1271116&oldid=1270525<br />
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The page I want is the last edit that I made for if, and I have no idea what went wrong. Someone directed me here... --<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span></font><sup> [[User_talk:Haliman111|T]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 00:44, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Iwitness typo==<br />
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Got really bored, and noticed there was a typo.<br />
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"What does it mean if a record is PUBLIC or PRIVATE?<br />
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Public records are just that- anybody can (if they take the time to look) find them and look at the information they contain. Private records are hidden in directories whose contents are not open to the public view, and the random number string appended to the end of the file name makes it impossible for anybody to find them through luck or accident. "Private" records are in fact so hard to locate that if you don't record their location, '''you'll never them again'''. That's OK when you just want to share a quick secret with some friends in a private chat room or secure forum, though- just copy the link and paste it somewhere you and you friends can find it, but others will not see it!<br />
User accounts do provide a way to retrieve all of the private records a user creates while logged into that account, so while still quite private, they are not going to vanish. User accounts also potentially allow for other levels of security; all of these are essentially private records that only certain people can see, or which do not display all of the details of the record in order to protect the privacy and safety of "innocent bystanders". <br />
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http://www.urbandead.info/iwitness/iwitness_FAQ.php#security<br />
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--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup></font> 15:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Check your talk page, {{usr|Haliman111}}. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:36, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Suicide Repair ==<br />
Most of the time it isn't easy to let a building reach the higher levels of decay and takes the effort of multiply zombie players. Lately as more buildings reach higher level of decay we see a raise in suicide repairs. Where survivors just spent all their AP and more to repair a long time ruined building and prepare to get eaten and revived. If suicide repairing was not what you where going for with the implemention of decay, please consider changes like: <br />
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a)Make it impossible to spent more AP on repairing than are left to this character, and probably setting a cap at 45AP as a maximum for decay. <br />
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or b)Repair only removes some part of the decay level and not all at once. Probably like tearing down barricades.<br />
--[[User:Experiment211|Experiment211]] 21:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I second option B. Option A could be exploited by people who wait until they have 2 or 3 AP left before running in to repair for 1 or 2 AP. B makes a lot of sense, I think. --[[User:Drugsanimudongs|Drugsanimudongs]] 17:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Errr... I read your suggestion wrong, Experiment211. Ignore my exploit theory! I still support B, though.<br />
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== Database error on the wiki ==<br />
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I have been getting the following message after making edits: <br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry '20534' for key 1 (localhost)".<br />
Retrieved from "http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category_talk:Historical_Groups"<br />
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The edits seem to be working, however. This bug just took place twice on the Historical Groups Talk/Voting page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:13, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I just got one on the same page. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ditto. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:06, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Happened to me too today.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:57, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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Is also appearing when searching brain rot in the Suggestions and Talk Suggestions namespaces.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Erg. I've had some server trouble lately, I'll take a look at it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:21, 27 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yesterday it was still doing this... It's rare as of late, it seems-- it was happening with almost every edit for a bit there -- but it *did* happen yesterday again.... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
:::Just hit the same after searching for brain in images. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:21, 3 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I've repaired the database, it should be okay now. Let me know if any error messages still creep through, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==A Little Idea for Group Affiliations==<br />
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I've had an idea and would like to submit it for your consideration. Would it be possible to add in the option of a URL link added to a player's group affiliation, a la the current system with the 'Real Name' links? This would be very useful for players looking to join a group and for groups looking to recruit players, especially zombie groups who lack the ability to spray-paint places without death-culting. Whilst the RN link is used by some, myself included, for recruitment, more likely than not the majority will simply not bother clicking it after the first few times they have done that on a profile have taken them to YouTube songs or Rick-rolls. A link under the group affiliation would draw more desirable attention. <br />
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There are two ways in which I could see this working: The first is to have the group affiliation act in the same way as the Real Life link, with the player choosing the URL; the second would be to have the GA act as the list of confirmed groups on the stats page does: An automatic link to the wiki page of said confirmed group. My personal belief is that the latter would be the superior option, so as to avoid abuse via unsavoury links which would undermine trust in the system (this is of course going under the assumption that you have a system which makes the links appear automatically on the stats page, rather than having to add them all in yourself of course).<br />
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Just my thought for the early morning. <br />
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Regards. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 04:37, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Please make your suggestions here: [[:Category:Current Suggestions]]. Seriously Moloch, you have been around long enough to know how suggestions are handled. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:40, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::FWIW, my personal version of 'ActOnProfile' already modifies the group name to be a link to the wiki page for that group. Its pretty handy, even if just to find out the group has no page. A fancier GM script could easily determine if the page actually exists, and not make it a link if it doesn't, which would be nice. Server side code could likely do the same thing better. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:02, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Copyright question ==<br />
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after playing Urban dead I had an idea making it into a warcraft 3 map and before I release 1: may I release a map made by maps and the same idea of urban dead and with its name/s 2: are there any requires you want? for example I could advertise for the site every 5 mins(I can have the map do that for me)I have all ready given credit to Urban dead and if you want I can give direct credit to you also<small>—The preceding {{wikipedia|Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages|unsigned}} comment was added by [[User:Undeadpope|Undeadpope]] ([[User talk:Undeadpope|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Undeadpope|contribs]]) 23:42, 6 August 2008.</small><br />
:l2english.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:34, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:If it's clearly presented as an unofficial fan project, and isn't making any money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:51, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==IP hits and construction==<br />
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If I repair a badly damaged building (15ap etc.) Is that one IP hit or 15? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:32, 9 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'd be one. it's a measure of how many times you refresh the map page not ap. The only exception (as far as i'm aware) is syringe manufacture which is 20.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I thought i was getting more than my regular action. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:32, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Is that confirmed or just a guess?--<span style="cursor:crosshair">Kooks</span> 22:50, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::It's certainly incorrect. I repaired a building costing 134ap and still had more than enough IP hits to play my other characters.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville and headshot==<br />
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All the high level survivors I know (about 30) have been holding out for the return of perma-death headshot with the quarantine. I see the quarantine is back, but everything still says that headshot is not permanent. Is this the case? If you're not bringing it back then you might as well close down the server or at least tell us officially. Because as currently constituted only one side can win, and though we could probably prolong things indefinitely I fail to see the point.<br />
--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 03:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:I couldn't agree more with this post. Staying alive as a member of an organized group in Monroeville is possible but it takes a large amount of coordination and effort. I fail to see the "game" part of current Monroeville on the survivor side, something permanent headshot would bring to the table. If balance is an issue, I'm sure the zombie side would love to have non-curable Infectious Bite. --[[User:Calem|Calem]] 10:09, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::The evidence of the most recent opening of Monroeville suggests that it takes about 6 weeks for the city to go from totally survivor-dominated to totally destroyed with the survivors on the run and hiding in the wreckage. Therefore, it seems to me that the most fun and interesting way to do it would be to run Monroeville in cycles. Every five to six weeks or so switch the rules to give one side or the other the advantage. So, having now had an extened Zombie Friendly period of time, you allow the Survivors to have their turn for a month and a half with closed borders and "permanent" (until the next cycle) headshot. Then re-open it to new admissions with the usual "Zombies stand back up" rules for a month and a half, then close it again and so on and so forth. That way, both sides always have something to look forward to and there's always something to plan for. Frankly, this solution still favors the Zombies somewhat in that a dead Survivor still never gets a chance to come back to life, but its significantly more fair than the current situation where Survivors can never repair a building for more than a couple of days before getting buried under a tide of zombies. While that may accurately reflect the desperate conditions of the later Dead movies and some of the supporting fiction, its not much fun to be a Survivor under these circumstances, and this is a game. --[[User:jng2058|jng2058]] 12:54, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Agreed. Right now Monroeville is only a game of attrition with an inevitable (tedious) end. Maybe that's in keeping with Romero's cannon, but it puts survivors in an unwinnable position and leaves the zombies without enough challenge to stave off boredom. If the game's going to be left open, then since zombies are in the advantage right now (by 4:1) why not restore headshot and see what happens? [[User:CoopVancer|CoopVancer]] 21:34, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Actually Coop- if you think about it- zombie take over isn't necessary canon in the zombie/post-apoc genre nor Romero canon, but merely an outcome of the core theme. What destroys the humans isn't the zombies, which are fairly weak, but their failure to overcome their individual self interest and cooperate. Restoring headshot would work now consistent with the canon. Headshot is something survivors learn with experience. At present, most of the survivors, don't have the XP to have headshot. <br />
::::: So I guess this is down to a test of wills then? Of humanity? How long can humans survive before break down, succumb to anarchy, or make a mistake and get eaten? '''We will not.''' Survivors will not descend into madness. We will survive under these horrible conditions! '''We will be ever vigilant!''' ''(until an emergency comes up in real life, then we're pretty much zombie-food)'' [[User:Bystander|Bystander]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Bystander, I recommend the buddy system. Give someone in your group your PW so they can move you in an emergency.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 00:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your reading is correct that perma-headshot isn't returning.--[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Will there be any type of reward for x number of survivors remaining? ==<br />
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I'm just going to say the only reason to ask this is because what the point of trying to survive if the hoard of zombies will eventually take over all? All i want to know is there anything that actually would give hope to the survivors?<br />
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:Yeah, it would be nice if the last 100 survivors were transported to Malton with text like "NAME survived the second Monroeville quarantine." or "NAME was one of the last 100 to die in Monroeville." on their profile page. --[[User:BetterLuck|BetterLuck]] 23:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::I hope something happens that's good at least for survivors, now they outnumber us way too much now--[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 15:44, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Monroeville Characters ==<br />
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I was just wondering if you had any plans for allowing players to have their Monroeville character's account moved to Malton. I just want to know because I happen to really like my MV character from an RP perspective and would like to play as him in a city that isn't completely ruined and dead... or at least use his name for a character in Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 03:08, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:No - you can transfer donation flags, but not characters. If you want to roleplay the same character in Malton, just create a new account with a slightly different name. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
How do you transfer donation flags from a Monroeville character to a Malton one? Thanks. --[[User:Alias81|Alias81]] 13:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just go to your "settings" page and enter a name. I've now added this to the [http://urbandead.com/faq.html#monroedonate FAQ]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Don't fucking jimmy me, jules. ==<br />
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I swear that 84 minutes almost pushed me over the brink...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:34, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, it looks like the wiki backups are pushing the server over the brink as well, from sheer weight of data, to the point of actually overheating the machine. I'm going to have to do another archive-history purge, as it's been a long time since the last one. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::NOOOOOO! Not the memories! Take anything but the memories! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:30, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::What about all teh lulz?!?!?!?!? Jed! ACTIVATE LULZ PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. CODE RED!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:44, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::OMG DID YOU SAY <big><big><big><big><font color="red">CODE RED?!?!?!?!</font></big></big></big></big>--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Good man. You'll do me proud yet. btw Kevan we just bought UD shirts so hopefully that means you don't have to go ahead with this "purging" business...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:48, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yeah i've thrown my best days into UD and my best money too. The least you could do is buy more server space so that a purge need never happen again. What if we need to check back over to see who made an edit? Or find long lost lulz? I mean [[2 Cool]] have a variety of quality projects using that space. [[ALiM]], [[ELiM]], [[Great Fire of 1912]], [[Sir Dick Longman]], [[Suburb Nicknames]], [[Colloquialisms]] and [[Malton Girl on Girl Parade]] all spring to mind. Of course there are many many more worthy pages created in the name of [[Kevanism|Kevan]], this is just a tasty sampling.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:53, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Stop blatantly spamming your endless vomit pile of useless wiki projects.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 11:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Quality projects using the ''page history'' space? If there's something good in there that's been deleted for wiki policy reasons, can't you host it somewhere else where people will actually find it? --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well if there is that's what we'll do. By the way - whilst I'm here, can I get your thoughts on [[ALiM|this page]]. Totally just out of interest and not fishing for an endorsement to stick in the first sentence of the article... And did you purposely give some of the locations amusing names or was it all the result of some cosmic event?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:22, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Also thanks for the recognition that they are in fact quality. And yes page history contains lols and should be kept for this reason. For example [[User:J3D/lol@finis|this particular work]] would never have been possible if page histories weren't kept. [[Save Page Histories]], i think i smell a 2C wikiproject coming on...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:32, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Ah that smell. I know her well.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Just wondering if there's a time-frame for this, there's an administrative Archive of Two we need to finish up before it happens, shouldn't take more than a few hours each.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Turns out that it might just be the A/VB talk archives.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::What in the name of all things holy is an archive history purge? Do i need to be in the brace position? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Look at the contribs of an older member, like myself. Ive ben around and posting since october 2005. you will see pretty much nothingb that old. A history purge is just that, a deletion of all revisions older than a certain age from the database. Its one of the reasons we make archive pages. Histories can get seriously huge, especially on larger, more active pages. For examples of the biggest, try A/VB and Talk:Suggestions --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 18:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Cheers Grimbo. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:06, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Couldn't Kev just get rid of the bigs one then? Talk suggestions is a particularly useless page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:08, 22 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'll be some time during September, and it'll be clearing out to a specific date (probably everything over a year old). If you need me to hold off while some admin archives are made, let me know. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I believe we finally got them all done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:17, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Maybe we do need to lose some of our precious memories...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Is barricading affected in dark buildings? ==<br />
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Would you be able to resolve [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Dark#barricading_success_is_also_affected_by_dark this question], please? (i.e. is there an effect in dark buildings on barricading success?) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:05, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:As Midi said, you should try doing your own research on this inquiry first. It seems like you haven't even checked by yourself. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 14:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's based on chance - sorta hard to get solid evidence when it could just be called "bad luck". Sometimes you have to go to the source to find out if you're just having a shitty day or if it's some game mechanic that's actually stopping you from hitting all those zeds at the local RP... I mean... er...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 14:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aeon, I ''did'' "check for myself"... As in. I've experienced it numerous times in-game... Then I went to Brainstock, asked around for a second opinion, and got one... But that wasn't good enough for you people... So I decided to ask Kevan, himself -- especially since Nallan kind of has a point, and since it's not easy to find the conditions to conduct the experiment... In any event, I managed to find a place to try it: I posted the results on the Darkness talk page. However, a quick word, yea or nay, from the designer really would be appreciated... Now... none of this "discussion" was necessary, not here, stop spamming this page, sheeesh. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:14, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You typed more than the first three comments combined. And you complain about spamming? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:31, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, there is an effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== theres 98 survivors in monroeville what now? ==<br />
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what is going to happen now? is there anything left for the survivors other than to just run or make a last stand? is there anything for staying alive till the end. --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Stay alive I guess. --[[User:Federationtrooper|Federationtrooper]] 22:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:umm the count jumped UP TO 100, what just happened? --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 03:50, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::And it's 101 now. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 05:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Idled characters standing up, most likely. Hellooooo. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:11, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Yes, idlers. So, will all characters be deleted completely? Should we make a last stand? What will happen to the accounts? Will there be permaneny links to the diaries, that can still be obtained after the accounts are deleted? Knowing the basic plan will help us figure out what we should be doing.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::If I recall correctly, at some point the game will be shut down. I mean ''shut down''. At which point Kevan has said that any donations on MV alts will be transferable to Malton. He has hinted that he might allow MV alts to be moved to Malton once it's shut right down -- although I haven't noticed anything like this in a while, maybe he's changed his mind? I dunno... My advice, personally is to wait and see... Possibly Kevan doesn't even know yet how he'll wrap it up. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::I'm [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Kevan#Monroeville_Characters pretty sure] that MV characters won't be transferable to Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 01:49, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Okay, but what will happen to the actual accounts though? What would happen if I tried to login with it after the map ends? Will the diary be preserved?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:59, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Aren't they (donation tags) already transferable? i'm pretty sure they should be. --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Donations are transferrable, and accounts aren't - it was always going to be one or the other, and donations seemed more appropriate. Profiles and diaries will be kept in perpetuity. And given how little difference there is between shutting the city down entirely and leaving it open for zombies to mill aimlessly around in, I might just leave it open. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fair enough? Any chance of us active zeds getting another tag in our profiles? Ive noticed those survivors still active have got one. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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For what? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 19:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like this [[http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1147825]], one like ''blah was an active zombie one month into the 2nd quarantine. '' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Again, I ask, "For what?" For staying active? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 23:35, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Sorry. yep.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::You knew when you signed up that it was not going to be a permanent map. And you knew the basic rules of the game, as well. You ''knew''... Now, deal with it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== FAQs addition? ==<br />
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I don't know why you haven't gotten around to it, but here you can even find a pretyped one to add. It's a quick, simple addition...<br />
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http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Add_encumbrance_section_to_the_FAQs<br />
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Also, I'm not trying to bother you, but could you check the bugs page and try to deal with some of those issues? I noticed my moved-outside reports already in the known bugs section, and that sounds like a creepy one that's been happening to a number of people. I also see a number of other bugs commonly happening, with no hint of what's going on. Thanks.<br />
--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Once again...[[PR_UI:_Sub_Pages#Tips_about_encumbrance|dupe]]. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:28, 30 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::That's why I wondered why he hasn't gottena round to it yet. It's been around a while, and it seems pretty needed.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:04, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Enough is enough ==<br />
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I know you don't want to deal with this kind of stuff... yeah yeah yeah... But please just ''look'' at [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.180 this post]. Just quickly... <br />
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Enough is enough, already. '''Please''' ban open proxies from accessing Urban Dead, because this is just too common -- and if anything is going to kill this game and the community it's zerging. There is a massive level of frustration over zerging, though honestly it's not brought up because people are fatalistic, figuring you're not going to do anything about it. But there are people willing and able to assist with the coding, with helping to set this up, you just need to say "Yes" to getting the ball rolling. Please consider it, consider ''something''... Because it's a serious problem ((that is, the use of proxies). And, unfortunately -- unless there is something huge we are all missing -- it's a problem that your abuse detection algorithms just can't deal with... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just to add... This guy in the post I linked to likely had his alts banned, and just kept making more and more to replace them... which, if true, shows that algorithm works against ''"normal" multi-abusers.'' But when you're dealing with proxies, you can completely circumvent those algorithms. And that's the problem... Active players usually encounter at least a couple ''obvious'' "zerg teams" every week... And a lot more less obvious but suspicious ones... It's very frustrating for those who try to play "by the book"... And while we generally just "shrug and bear it", still... I'm not going to bother you with this anymore now, but I really felt it was high time to bring this your attention, and to speak out for the many people who are so frustrated by the prevalence of zerging in Urban Dead. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:17, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm going to take the liberty of seconding the above on behalf of both the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]] and [[Columbine Kids]], two fair-playing teams that I lead who encounter zerg teams weekly. Whether something comes of this or not, I just want to add our voices. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 18:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ha. The only topic on the page not address by Kev on Sept 3. Come on man an least a reply saying you cbf would be nice...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:03, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Sure, I'll take a look at any ideas or technologies people have got. I'm not aware of any silver bullets that don't also turn up false-positives for people on weird ISPs or who have a misleadingly-configured home network, but would be happy to be proven wrong. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:29, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Interesting Tangent: Speaking of silver bullets, i recently found out that all that stuff from days yonder referring to silver bullets and there use in banishing monsters is actually ambiguous as to if it's talking about actual silver, or mercury (which was known as quicksilver at the time). so yeah, you may in fact be unaware of any mercury bullets. Just keep that in mind when banishing foes.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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There was a discussion on Beerhah.com about this... Where some people were attempting to seriously address the issue and then come to you with some solutions. Sadly, interest seemed to wane once Finis Valorum apparently left the game... However, I am going to copy what was probably the most relevant and hopefully most useful post in that discussion. As you'll see, the solution was not an algorithm and/or set of "suspicious" IPs, etc. -- which I gather was you were talking about above? Rather, the main idea it was using a list of known proxies and simply banning them. I actually think the wiki sysops have a pretty long list of banned proxies, for a start perhaps that could be used... <br />
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And, no solution is going to perfect. There will ''always'' be holes, always ways around whatever measures you impliment. As the post I'll copy discusses. That, I think, is pretty well understood. However, the point is to make it as difficult as possible for people to cheat. Open proxies are just ''too easy'' to find and use... Now, I don't know if paying for a proxy list is going to be effective, or a waste of money, considering how much these things change, apparently -- that's something someone with the right knowledge would have to decide. Anyway, I'm place the text of the post on [[User talk:WanYao| my Talk page]] for you to look at. Thanks for your time. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:21, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Sadly, we've got no follow up response yet... Kevan, are you listening? Just as another case in point, look at this... yeah I ''know'' what you say... But just look... I think you need to... I don't want to be a "bitch" about this... But I am really, really hoping we can find some way to address the zerging issue, and this requires a dialogue with you... <br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_7-1__644-f97-77b.html<br />
http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_8-1__0c7-19c-2b9.html<br />
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LOLz at my insane typos notwithstanding (i meant "flayed alive") .... This is sadly typical... We see this stuff all the time: here, 4 alts, at least, 2 each in adjacent buildings, from someone with a whole slew of "mithra" alts, many more than these 4, many of them previously spotted together -- this guy is familiar to us... We've presented some ideas for dealing with zergs like this, there is a discussion on the [[AZM]] Talk page... Will you work on this? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:08, 12 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Kevan, please do this: community appointed UD moderators. These trusted moderators will ban obvious zerging reported by players. To investigate zerging only basic information is needed: history of when the zergs all logged in, and how long they've been around each other. 95% of zergers are stupid and lazy and will be caught this way. No permanent bans, just temporary ones. Enough to make the zergers life difficult. --[[User:Rupert|Rupert]] 19:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:COMMUNITY appointed? You're joking, right? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 21:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'm kind of new, so forgive me if this is stupid... Am I correct in assuming that a lot of these zerg characters are level 1, or to a lesser degree level 2 that seldom level up or even gain XP but are used as scouts. If that's the case then I would think that any ''real'' account is going to gain XP and level up within reasonable time periods. If that's the case then would purging level 1 & 2 characters that don't level in say a month get rid of a lot of zergs? Or is there a legitimate reason for accounts within these parameters? --[[User:Mvario|mvario]] 01:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Most zergs (despite the name) do infact end up leveling up, check out all the [[GTFO]] zergs for an example. The one's that do stay at lvl 1 and 2 are throw aways that won't be used again anyway, so deleting them wouldn't have any effect except to free up the account name to be used by another player. And that is something Kevan has said he doesn't want as it would cause confusion. Also lol @ my post up there ^ from Sept 5.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Last Major Change to this page? ==<br />
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When was the last major change to this page made, the one where months pf posts were cleared off and the number of topics reset to 0 (I assume 0)?. What about the Suggestions Development Page, where the Overflow section used to be? I'm trying to find certain old stuff, and I need to know those important dates to do so...thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:07, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=prev&oldid=1241305]]This? You can chust check yourself by looking in the history tab at the top of each page. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:27, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:That link's no good.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::There was a history purge so links to old edits don't work. However purges aside he's right, if you need to find an old version of the page use the history tab at the top.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::When was the last purge anyhow? That would really help. Those do make thinsg confusing...looking for old stuff that's gone...--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 19:17, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Dear Kevan: ==<br />
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<span style="color: #800000; font-family: Times"><center>You may try to tear down our barricades, devour our friends and allies, destroy our home... But we ''will'' prevail. Your efforts will be met with the stalwart defense that Barrville has maintained for these three years, and with our community at our sides, you must eventually accept defeat. You will go down, Kevan... and we'll put you there. And we'll do it oldschool; With our fists, With our boots, with lead pipes...<BR>And yes, with Axes. We shall not be put down.<BR>'''We Are AXES HIGH'''<br />
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E Cinerebus, Gloriam --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 16:13, 5 September 2008 (BST)</center></span><br />
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:'''''HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!''''' [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Okay, I actually thought it was quite the honour to be eaten by Kevan... but none the less worthy of an overtly trenchy and overdramatic comment. - --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 20:46, 23 September 2008 (BST)<br />
==Database errors==<br />
We are getting some infrequent, but still painfully annoying database errors. Last night when i was trying to edit [[A/VD]] i couldnt because of them, and we lost two current revisions on a page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASpacer_one%2FAthair_bas&diff=1270526&oldid=1270400 here] to them as well. Can you please take a look and find out whats going on? --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 21:51, 10 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Noted. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:43, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like we lost a handful of page revisions during the history purge; I'll look at restoring them this afternoon. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:08, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Okay, fixed, the handful of pages that were affected are stable now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==About the proxy issues...==<br />
this site: http://www.gmodtop100.com/ had a similar iddue which involved everyone giving themselves votes using proxyies from proxy.org Recently the website restted all the lists and when I tried to give hits to my gmod clan, I discovered that by some sort of meckanism they had managed to block proxies from being able to vote. I know they hadn't simply banned them because even my top secret proxy was blocked and I had never used it to access the website before. Maybe if you could get in contact with this "Pulsar effect" guy we could finally end this. [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It's really not as simple as some people seem to think. Web-based CGI or PHP proxies, or even SOCKS/HTTP proxies, are merely the tip of the iceberg – anyone with any decent technical expertise or friends with same can bypass any proxy list you care to come up with. Sure, it might be helpful, but it won't be a silver bullet, as Kevan alluded to above. Either way, we'll need to continue with [[ZHU|community-based]] [[GTFO|solutions]], as well as any additional technological measures that may be implemented. And remember... {{cquote||It may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma... which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve.''|Edgar Allen Poe}}{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And...{{cquote||Some things are not problems to be solved, they are facts to be coped with.''|Anonymous}} --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:23, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Future history wipes==<br />
Would it be possible leave a few more months worth of page histories next time a wipe is done? It's making it very hard to evaluate and track deletion requests, vandal histories and the like when histories just weeks old are missing, making it especially difficult to determine who should have "ownership rights" of group pages. Loosing histories will always be a problem, but the problem can be lessened significantly if you could keep it to older edits <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:56 20 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Or a portion of the oldest edits on a page(like the first 5 if possible).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And maybe a backup for the suburb danger status, using that sql code i sent you last time... heh... too bad i only found out about this wipe weeks after it occured, or i would have asked you to make the backup before the wipe. Bugger. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 03:14, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== I'm wishing for headshot.... ==<br />
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maybe for those left in monroeville should have something, like headshot, cause look at whats left... [[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:53, 4 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:The problem with that is to use headshot, you need to interact with zombies. A lot of the zeds left metagame, and all you'd do is draw others to your location. So yes. Bring it back. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I agree, running from zeds is getting old. I imagine they must be pretty bored as well. If not perma-death, how about headshot drops AP to zero. Otherwise we'll continue this war of attrition. Also shouldn't we get new badges? It would be cool if we had an incentive to keep playing besides making the zeds look impotent.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== ALiM's Birthday Party ==<br />
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You've been cordially invited to attend ALiM's birthday party at [[Club Head]] at 10am GMT on the 18th of October. Festivities will last for a full 24 hours. See [[Talk:Amusing_Locations_in_Malton#ALiM_PARTY.21.21.21|here]] for more details, oh divine master.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 02:15, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Misconduct ==<br />
I figure you are already aware of whats going on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#User:Grim_s| Here] but figured you should be formally informed. The final decision of the community has not been reached, but the general consensus will at the very least include the Bureaucrat status being removed from Grim. More may or not follow depending upon deliberations. Thank You. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:25, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:You have provided no evidence of misconduct. This is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:18, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Grim pipe down, everyone knows what you think and we also happen to know what Conn thinks. I can appreciate you're pissed off but can you not write the same boring ass one line all over the place, at least i nice tl;dr wall for old times sake ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:33, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Its not a boring arse line. Its a simple fact. All accusations of abusing the status of sysop as abadge of authority to force ones wishes on the community '''must''' come with '''clear evidence''' over a '''substancial period of time'''. So far no such evidence has been presented, and all my requests that it be have been soundly ignored by all concerned. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:36, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Conveniently all such evidence was wiped by Kev yestermonth, so i guess it falls down to your word against his/theirs. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Evidence already posted would still be present, easily visible to all who try a basic search. In any case, as [[user:Revenant]] has said, this is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Court Kangaroo Court], nothing more nothing less. My defense, which is logically sound, has been ignored, except where people have cherry picked points to troll. Saddam Hussein got a fairer trial than i am. In any case, without evidence, you cannot convict. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:40, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug*, shouldn't have declined my sysopship... ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::You were unfit for the job, and your subsequent tantrum proved as much to even the most jaded of eyes. My job isnt to make friends, or to be popular, or to do what people want, its to do what the rules and guidelines of this wiki state is correct, and to make the best decisions for the wiki in places where the guidelines do not cover. I am the only person to have ever lived up to that responsibility. No one else has, though karek comes damned close. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:47, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::oh come on, it was a joke! I thought even in your current state you should have picked it up. Feel free to slur away, hope it makes you feel better, xoxo. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:51, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Im sorry, but one seldom finds entertainment when one is the victim of such obvious and gross injustice where one cannot do anything about it. I apologise. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::apology accepted, we shall see how it plays out...now, to leave kevan's talk page so he doesn't get pissed off and cancel my accounts!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, this page was already on my watchlist. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:37, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::You gonna have a vote? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Contrary to Conndraka's first post, this is not a community decision at all. It is in fact a decision made by a small group of sysops. I trust the subtle difference and obvious deceit on Conndraka's part is not lost on you. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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There being no official method or process of notification...[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Final_Ruling| Here] is the result. Note the community "petition" that is also currently attached to the position. There being no "Policy" in this manner, the impeachment of a sysop by the community is a nebulous proposal at best. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:00, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:So that was you that thought that it would be a good idea to try to drive someone to vandalism as a last resort at neutrality? If it wasn't whoever added that petition should themselves be vandal escalated for misusing an administrative page to further a personal fight. Precedent matters.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:13, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Just for the record it was me who added the "petition" it was not intended to be used as evidence against Grim it and i thought it was pretty clear that I was asking for the communities opinion on wether Grim should face a vote. more than 1 person thought not.... apparently my intention was not clear enough and it turned into a petition while i was off-line. Should Grim have lost his Crat status? Probably... should he have lost it for the misconduct case? Absolutely not!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Bug, "zerg flag", or what? ==<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=951980 This alt] has recently tried searching for FAKs in a powered Mall with *no* success. 'Tis far more than bad luck... All other actions seem to working just fine, and I really can't see how a zerg flag could have been activated, even accidentally. Is this a bug, some unannounced change, or has a zerg flag somehow been activated? Anyone else had anything similar happen? But if it is a bug, then I'll report it normally... Thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:09, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unannounced change, although you shouldn't be getting ''zero'' success. If it keeps up, report it as a bug and we'll get some more data on it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Can you post these things as news? not only are we in a news drought, but it'll send the mall rats scurrying to the TRPs...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:25, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::It seems a bit cheap to announce search tweaks as fully-fledged "game updates". There are some proper updates on the way. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Perhaps, but it makes a difference. And considering it was suggested through the wiki suggestion system it'd a tip of the hat to the crowd over there (regardless of whether or not you actually saw that ;) ), i look forward to new updates :D something pro zombie perhaps? Things have quietened down in Malty as of late...btw kudos on the ruin update, she added a whole new dimension to the game.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Oh good. I thought this was just me. I have been getting reduced search rates EVERYwhere. (Hospitals, Malls, NT buildings.) Quite a few days I've spend 18~23 AP in these buildings over a period of about 10~12 minutes and have found nothing at all. Recently I've used a mall-searcher and spent 20 AP in Caiger NW and have found nothing in any store. It woulda been nice to see this as an official update. [[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 14:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yay! Updates are ace. :D -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:47, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Yes, please announce it or something. I was sad to find just 2 FAKs with 20 APs in a lightened mall with bargain hunting. Its just very less. First i thougt, it was bad luck, but others said the same too. Maybe a small view, what has been changed would be nice. --[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 17:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::'''My search-statistics:'''<br />
:::::::'''Where:''' lightened Mall, searched in the Drugstore<br />
:::::::'''Skill:''' Shopping+Bargain Hunting<br />
:::::::'''APs:''' 38 / 47<br />
:::::::'''Found nothing:''' 30 / 36<br />
:::::::'''Found a FAK:''' 8 / 11<br />
:::::::'''Rate:''' 21,06% / 23,4%<br />
:::::::--[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 18:18, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Assuming there are no more break-ins at my safehouse, I'll post some data tomorrow. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk]] </span> </sup> 04:26, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the reply, Kevan... No, you're right, haven't had a lot of time to play lately, but I tested it further and I did finally find some FAKs... And for everyone else... I believe I know ''exactly'' why Kevan implemented this. And it pleases me, personally, very much. :) Meanwhile, this wasn't a game-mechanic change, just a search rate nerf... Thus, I think it's cool it was left for us to discover on our own, and not as an announcement... Even if I had to resort to the cheap method of asking the big guy himself... ;) Though I did suspect it might be a search rate nerf, I just didn't ''dare'' to believe'' :D ... Thanks, Kevan, cool change... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:01, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh... FTR limited data... but searching for guns in a mall ''seems'' the same as always... and syringe rates have been quite low for some time now... just to clear up statement made above about everything sucking... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:05, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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You know, there's a [[Search Odds|better place]] than Kevan's talk page to dump this data... --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup II==<br />
I have regularly spoken to you of the abuses of adminsistrator and the flaws of the system. I have begged, and pleaded for you to become involved in fixing these problems. You have told me to do it myself. Tow/three days ago i notified you of my intent to stage a coup on this wiki and enforce a better way, at the very least as a trial run. I also informed you that you could call it off simply by telling me "no". Since you havent responded, and circumstances have cospired to make such an option impossible in the immediate future due to the very corruption that has taken root, i have been forced to go ahead earlier than i would have liked. I merely ask that you adopt a wait and see attitude towards what i am trying to do. This is my last throw of the dice. My last ditch attempt to make this a better place before i take my leave of this community forever. I apologise for the manner in which i had to bring it about however. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 10:26, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hello Grim. I read your email as a bold request for ''permission'' to single-handedly institute "sweeping reforms" and selective sysop demotions. I didn't realise you were threatening to actually abuse bureaucrat powers and go ahead regardless, if I didn't respond quickly enough.<br />
:Yes, whenever you email me asking that I force through a change that you personally want implemented, I suggest that you take it through the proper channels - usually a policy discussion, to at least get some community feedback first. I don't see why you couldn't have done that here. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup==<br />
Could you please re-sysop all the people that Grim just demoted, please, and remove his bureaucrat status to avoid it happening again? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:24 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Already onto it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::sooo....where do we go from here? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::[[Suburb Nicknames#West Becktown|PUSSY TOWN]]!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Shouldn't grim also have been demoted ? He can still do lots of damage with his sysop powers --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Given the "effective immediately i am seizing executive power" tone of his bureaucrat abuse, and the fact that he claims to have left the wiki permanently, temporarily revoking his sysop powers seems fair enough, if only as a security issue. I'll reverse it should the [[Misconduct#User:Grim_s|new misconduct case]] decide in his favour. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:34, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Hm... I think I may create a new subpage on my userspace containing as much of this stuff as I can. It will be interesting to read through and spot the points at which Grim became more and more frantic. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::First Katthew, now grim. There is no place for common sense is there? Maybe i'm not in possession of all the facts; all I see is one frustrated person finally snapping, after years spent as one of the very few sysops to actually work to make this a better place - rather than feather his own nest. The wiki has finally moved from being a source of information to some kind of passive-aggressive, UD version of Facebook. I'd rather have one person capable of making a mature decisions, unafraid to step on a few toes and deflate a few egos, than a gaggle of preening children. Disappointing. --[[User:Keith Drudgely|Keith Drudgely]] 17:58, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Grim was anything but "mature". Just saying. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 20:56, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::you should talk, cyberbob... actually, i do think grim was someone who worked hard for the wiki... and he'd dealt with idiocy for so long, he did snap... however, if only he'd handled things better over the long haul... le sigh... for what it's worth, the drama has pretty much caused me to quit the game, too... pathetic how seriously some people (myself included) take all this sometimes... and interesting how easy it is to walk away when the bad taste gets to be too much, and how little you miss UD when you do... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:36, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Biiig difference between being immature by choice and being immature by impulse, Wan. Also, WTF is with you and ellipses? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:18, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::~2 years till the next sysop snaps. I can understand where Grim was coming from though. It's very frustrating when people constantly attack you for no perceived reason, and eventually you *have* to snap, no one can sustain continued harassment. Grims misconduct case showed this, sysops calling for Grims demotion over something so minor was ridiculous. Unfortunately once a group of users has decided to attack you there's nowhere safe on the wiki, and eventually you are forced to leave until things cool off, which can be a long while, and difficult to do if you are a regular. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">11:35/13/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::::OR you could simply cease the unneccessary causticness that brought on all that ire and start acting with some degree of restraint rather than taking the easy route and trying to lay the blame on others. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:52, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Cyberbob's right, just because you weren't a victim of Grim's monster rampage doesn't mean it didn't happen. You should try to understand Jedaz, people didn't just rise against Grim for fun. We aren't idiots. If we were mindless idiots we would be playing Halo 3 and NFL 2009 instead of UD. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:58, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::It's called Madden you culturally ignorant fuck. Nah you're allllright. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:02, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::How dare you be here and not on IRC. You left me alone with those barbarians. >=[ {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::sorry sorry! I was spose to go to bed 21 minutes ago...hows a week tonight for you? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:19, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::@Cyberbob - What kind of restraint are you talking about? Restraint of language? I don't see anyone else restraining themselves. Restraint of Sysop powers? Well there wern't any successful misconduct cases about misuse. If you are talking about restraining yourself once you've snapped then you must be laughing. Don't get me wrong, Grims attitude didn't help the situation, but people making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't going to help either.<br />
::::::::@DDR - What has Grim done since June to have this "uprising" occur? Personally I didn't see Grim do anything outside of his regular behaviour (ignoring this most recent case), and the community has known about his behaviour for a long time and still elected him! Would the community still have rised up if this didn't occur? If not then it's just an angry mob and it would have cooled down eventually, where as an uprising would still have occured.<br />
::::::::Anyway, if either of you wish to continue this conversation I'ld suggest we move this to my [[User_talk:Jedaz|talk page]] rather then clog up Kevans. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:34/14/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::My point, Jedaz, was that if Grim was at all socially intelligent he would have realised that people weren't going to take his shit forever. If he wanted to prevent an explosion of the sort we saw he should've taken steps to improve his self-control. Blaming his completely unreasonable hissy fit (ZOMG IM GONNA LOSE MAI CRAT STATUS ALL MUST DIE) on the completely understandable reactions of everyone else is ridiculous. You need to take off the "I got yo back brotha!" goggles (you think I don't remember the circumstances of your demotion?) and take a step back to look at things realistically. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I supose you have a point. But I don't think you fully understand the reason I chose to be demoted (if you did then you wouldn't have brought it up). My point is if you don't have the support of the team you are working in then of course you are going to find it tough and eventually you are either going to quit or break. Nobody seems to care that it can actually get to this point. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:20/16/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::Cyberbob's right. Do you actually have a personal history with Grimsky? He has been planning this entire explosion for a very long time. He probably stretched out the time of the case so it could build up to a bigger explosion. He deliberately did this for his own ego. And yet you don't think he was unfit to be at the position he was at? Why argue with us more? Ask the entire community which demanded what we demand right now. I don't want to disrupt Kevan (I know your reading hun =]) So I'll stop here, no need to pursue justification. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::it was very calculated, there was a reason he chased away the other competent sysops, and crats, and meatpuppeted his crat "election". He was planning this "coup" for a while and was no lapse in judgement.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:30, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::I miss all of the good stuff. I believe what Anime is referring to is discussed [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|here]], with a now dead reference to [[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysop_Sub_Groups:The_Cheesy_Version#"With_less_than_10_active_sysops"|the original conversation here]]. You know, where he admits to hounding sysops such as Vista and Hagnat to get them to quit their positions. Coincidentally, after he got Hagnat to quit, he got elected as a Bureaucrat. No, obviously no long term plan in place.<br />
:::::::::::{{quote|Grim_s|Making a new sysop subclass wont solve this problem, all it will do is bloat the numbers of idiot sysops, which i have spent the last 18 months whittling away at.}}<br />
:::::::::::Whoops. I guess it ''was'' a long term plan to get into power after all, huh? [[Image:Haw.gif]] --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:52, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::No way to prove this but on IRC Grim would often criticize my "hissy fits" of pissing people off for lulz and then brag about how he could do it better. I think AS remembers it, he often hung out in #udwiki. My point, he planned this. That wasn't impulse. Impulse is "DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING!!!" --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:07, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::Maybe they are talking about on a geological timetable. Or perhaps some people need to [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impulse%5B2%5D read more]. I do find it amusing that [[:Template:Grim Doom|this template]], which was meant as a joke, is closer to the truth than people like to believe. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::He made [[User:Grim_s/Sandbox/Thingamajig|these notes on attempting to scrap the system]] back in July, which included the idea that my veto power was a "problem" and should be revoked. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::That's kind of why I am confused how what [[User:Amazing|Amazing]] did was worse than this. There is a huge history of edits of Grim chasing users off of the wiki in order to attain the power he craved ([[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|'''by his own admission''']]), then kicks off the rest of the sysop team to implement his changes when he is threatened, yet he doesn't receive the same punishment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::You're confusing yourself, because the Amazing and Grim situations are totally different. Amazing wasn't a sysop when he earned his permban through the established VB escalation system, and it was also a long, long time ago. Most of the sysops ruling on Grims case had nothing to do with the wikigate farce. Careful what you wish for, Akule, [[Witch Burners]] arn't that picky, as you well know <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:35 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::::Oh, okay, so talking with Kevan about how Grim probably should have been permabanned for chasing away several good sysops, plotting to remove Kevan's veto power, and overthrowing the other sysops results with veiled threats of forcing me off the wiki from you. Gotcha. So, when are you going to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Amnesty&diff=next&oldid=1295384 "waah"] Kevan like you did Hagnat and the others? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:17, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::I'm not threatening to force you off the wiki, Akule. I'm trying to point out that if witch burners always got their way, Grim would be out, but so would you, long ago due to copyright-gate. And why the hell would I Wah Keven, you clown... you're the one doing the waaaaahing <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::It's cos deep down (very deep, in some cases) we've all got a soft spot for ol' grimchy.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::And the winner of the Speak For Yourself award goes to.... --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 08:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Ooo! ooo! I'm a shoo in for this one! Pick me! Pick me! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:58, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::Umm...Boxy? How is what Grim did similar to the Witch Burners? Our goal is to remove those who create mass amounts of drama on the wiki through vandalism, arby's, and other crap. We are the vigilantes that work where the sysops can't. Grim would have been a target of ours if we weren't so afraid of him banning us after labeling him a target. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:25, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Well, I was referring to the way Grim has become a targeted witch, actually, but he did use similar tactics, now you mention it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::::::::::::The problem Grim saw with Kevan's veto power was that Kevan's refusal to participate in the wiki and the absence of the threat of the use of that power was in and of itself damaging to the wiki and led to a lot of the crap that annoys all of us. It wasn't that Kevan had veto power but that Kevan wasn't willing to give that power any weight. You'd probably know that if you ever spoke to Grim outside of arguments.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:24, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::I did. Usually it was go back to an argument, mostly over stupid shit. Mentioning you like Star Wars would result in a vicious attack on why TIE Fighters can't make noise in space. I for one don't give a shit. Grim loved to create trouble over stupid shit. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:23, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::That wasn't directed at you Sonny.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:54, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::BUT GODDSDAMMIT TIE FIGHTERS CAN'T MAKE A NOISE IN SPACE!!!!!!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 18:28, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::fcuk u tehy can 2!!1!!!1one! --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::: obviously the whole star war universe takes place in a particle rich nebula that allows for both the transmission of sound and the really spectacular explosions...DUH! [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:07, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Well at least we don't have Real Gamer ruling the wiki.Grim did make a joke about a coup earlier in 2008 around the time the the dead did their rampage I believe.And by the way, according to the History Channel,if you were in space,the Death Star firing and destroying a planet is as less loud than you clicking your computer's mouse.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Coup Misconduct Resolution ==<br />
[[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Resolution.2FFinal_Ruling| Resolution]] of the Misconduct case due to the coup, Just an FYI for official notification. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== HP? ==<br />
Just stood up after a revive... Found myself at 20 instead of 30. another one of these unannounced changes? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:07, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:That would be a bug. Report it if it happens again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:24, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I like the NT scan tweak. Very classy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Grammar ==<br />
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You try to add some corrugated iron to the barricade, but can't find a place for them.<br />
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"Them" should be "it", or "corrugated iron" should be plural, so maybe "corrugated iron rods".<br />
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Hope this is in the right place, and I know you probably don't care that much about small gramatical errors but someone needs to point them out!<br />
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Feel free to downsize the image..I would but I need to run! {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 12:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Update ==<br />
I don't do this much and am actually on the side of criticizing updates as too much for false problems but this recent update has been something that has been long in the waiting. Thank You, this might actually get me playing my characters again.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:37, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll go along with that. Admittedly I'm far more easily-pleased than Karek and never stopped actively playing, but still, thanks for a great update. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:27, 17 October 2008 (BST).<br />
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== Privacy Policy ==<br />
Hi kevan, is there any chance of a Privacy Policy being written up regarding players IP's and emails. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:58, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:[[UDWiki:Privacy policy]] has been in the footer for a couple of years now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:13, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Sorry I did not make it clear, I meant in regards to the game, not the wiki.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 10:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Streetwalkin' cheetah with a heartful of napalm ==<br />
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A ruffian headbutted me for 1 damage today, as a human. Is this a new addition or am I slow? I basically came here to ask, Kevan, how does one headbutt? Is it a random occurance that may happen instead of excecuting the punch command? Just curious. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:22, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Heh. That would have been me, non? Headbutt works via ?actions, i simply installed a greasemonkey script that allows me to perform said action in harman form without using the ?action. Sometimes young ddr, the only way to fight fire is well, with fire ;) . --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:50, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::That would be biting with a mask while alive I assume. 'cause you can bite while alive but, for 1 damage.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:49, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like the shooting while a zombie cheat to me. That hasn't been fixed yet, has it? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:27 18 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::That was fixed just before April 1 this year, I remember because Red Rums April Fools plans were ruined.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 17:06, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::The only reason the shooting cheat got fixed was because enough people decided to whine about such a minor thing. No one really cares about this one and it's been known for a long long time. That being said the damage is reduced when trying to perform zombie actions while living, it's always punch damage and I think punch rates too.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:58, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Nah no mask, just 1 damage.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:55, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I wish to lay claim to be the first person to be headbutted for 1 damage by a harman. Then I'll be positively famous. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:52, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You aren't. Unfortunately i'm not original, i got the script that allows me to do this off viktor, first person i know of who got headbutted was Fiffy i think, check with Anime, he'll know! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:06, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Take it to [[Talk:Actions via "question marks"]], thanks kids... no need to bother Kevan with this. Basically all these attacks work as a punch with different flavour: they're all 25% to hit, 1 damage. And you're very late to the party, I know I and others have been doing this for 6 months or more. Pretty much from around the time ActOnProfile came out. <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:34, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And unlike shooting while a zombie...the damage able to be inflicted by this is minimal. I've been bitten by a harman before. It was hilarious. ;) --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 04:15, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aha! That sneaky gorilla's secret is revealed! At last the world makes sense again. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 05:09, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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/topic. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:31, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== so wait... new map? whats for monroeville? ==<br />
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2 questions....headshot on this map or?<br />
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and monroeville is at 260 poeple so im kinda wondering if theres anything left for it....<br />
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[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 10:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:First question, the first one to level 10'll find out. Question 2, get over it, there's been nothing there for ages...new city thyme :D --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Kazypoo1, Monroeville ''did'' die quite a while ago, in case you didn't notice... I thought it said 'permanent zombification' somewhere, and it only lasts a month, so I'm assuming its perma headshot. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::No, headshot doesn't mean permadeath in Borehamwood. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hello Kevan, quick question: The stats page currently displays the Monroeville numbers as {{udspan|(1023 standing survivors, 707 standing zombies, 43896 accounts created)}}. I take it this is Borehamwood numbers mixing with the old of Monroeville. So will we get separate stats for Borehamwood? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:So. That's basically 950 survivors against 200 zombies at the moment? Still I liked getting the rage. It was fun. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Good point. Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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With the new locations such as railway line(s) and petrol station(s), what do they bring to the game? Is their any new weapons/items? --[[User:Alcatraz311|Alcatraz311]] 15:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Was this why the server went down last night by any chance? =P -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Publicity of Big Brother house location ==<br />
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Greetings. I, amongst others, would like to know your opinion on publicity of the Big Brother house location on the wiki. Should it stay hidden or be revealed? --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 13:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Unless Kevan comes out and says otherwise, this is no different than any other location in the game. Removing it is in no way different to a group of trenchies removing [[Giddings Mall]] from the map in case [[MOB]] comes to visit. Information is free. Censorship is bad.<br />
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:This wiki is a game resource, not a vehicle for censorship so that certain players can increase their chances of winning a DVD.<br />
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:Also this information has already been disseminated to public UD forums and is available through public iwitnesses. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Had this talk with the Big Man before, and he said he has no problem with it. Actually, he imagined its coordinates would have been posted in a matter of hours on the wiki, and also broadcasted through radio and stuff like that. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's up to players how much information they share or conceal; I don't mind either way, in this case. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Wow... as if we don't get enough of the BB franchise on the idiot box, now we get huge BB eye's looking at us as we attack a mall in Malton? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:59 2 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:They'd only be there because someone chose to spraypaint them, but the graphic shouldn't have been showing up outside Borehamwood. This is now fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::OK, thanks. I have a particular hatred of the bastardisation of the original "big brother" concept that involves housemates <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:56 3 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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== Questions about your character ==<br />
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I assume this UD ID is yours, correct, UD ID-11? Well, I'd like to welcome you to West Grayside, though I don't appreciate the eating of so many brains. Also, I don't appreciate the Ninja Zombie status you seem to give yourself. we all know the military covers up things, but covering up their own skills? I scanned your zombie, listed as pre-death class Military, but you lack any military skills! So is just a sick joke, or is it a bug? Picture of scan here:<br />
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Thanks for checking.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Damn, that's a pretty smart catch! Bub is pretty famous among organized zombie players, and most folks know him for not having any human skills, but I never knew he was a "military class" character, as I've never seen the "living" version of his profile.<br>I doubt its a bug; G. Romeroe's "Bub" character was military. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 22:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::How did he get Military without any skills? .......... Oh wait.... Mad haxors skill... :P --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Bweing god of Urban dead helped as well; being able to defy the laws of logic and the 4rth dimension and whatnot. Wait whats his human account?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 03:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So, what is his human account? --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 17:00, 26 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::I don't think any of the survivor accounts are known, but we know he has them out there... Somewhere... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 02:41, 27 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=14 Kevan] doesn't seem to do much <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:11 27 September 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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== Mediawiki Update ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if there any chance of getting wiki software updated? The latest version is v1.13 and there are several useful new features, including: <br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
It's not urgent or anything, but it would be nice if you could put it on your busy to-do list :D.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That sounds pretty cool. =) Can we get it for Christmas? Means you'd only have to get us one present between us this year, saving you quite a lot of money. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Image undeletion is enabled by default as well-useful for when sysops accidentally delete a useful image {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Black Holes of Borehamwood==<br />
Evening. There's a couple of squares in [[Borehamwood]] that are seemingly unscoutable. Namely deep river sections. Can you confirm there's nothing mysterious and shiny hiding in the depths, islands and the like? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'd just like to also say thank you for the charcoal briquettes barricade message. Brought a smile to my face.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazing ==<br />
I'v always owndered for these 2 years; what in the hell DID amazing do anyways? What grim did is easy to see because of the publicity and recentism of it but what EXACTLY did amazing do?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amount of characters in a broadcast ==<br />
I was wondering, Since I started the [[Galaxy News Radio]] i've found that the very small amount of characters you can use is at best, a thorn in my side, couldn't it be possible to make the transmission amount of characters the same as for speaking, it makes perfect sense really --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 21:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If you want to make a suggestion for an in game feature, take it by [[Developing Suggestions]] and get some constructive criticism before putting it up for voting. Although as far as i'm aware the character cap exists to limit spamming of radio channels.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Actually it's probably more of a necessary thing like the 50 people limit in normal speak is. Radio can't share that limiter because that would eliminate it's whole purpose so the only other ways to limit it is to put an upper end on how much you can say per day per channel.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::It's a possibility, but since character limits (as far as i'm aware) predates the need for limiting talking to 50 it seems odd.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
Okie i'll take this to the development pages, thanks for the feed back though guys {{unsigned|An unlucky guy|11:00, November 23, 2008}}<br />
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==Dead Set Competition== <br />
Can I assume that the prizes and all went off without a hitch so I can update the competition as a Past event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, the winners have been selected and contacted, and talking to the cameras in the diary room no longer has any effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Trade?==<br />
Sorry to bother you but I was wondering why survivors can't trade. This could lead to more eaisly avalible equipment, I think there would be a limit thou. Generators couldn't be traded etc. I think that it might help the humans in a bunch of Unbalanced claims. Players could not trade to same Ip address characters would stop cheating and it could lead to characters traveling round Malton selling there wares which would be fun to see. My regards it's a great game and I've got a bunch of my freinds playing now too. Thanks from me and them [[User:Athur birling]]<br />
:Heya. If you want to make a suggestion for an addition to the game you should go [[suggestions|here]]. In the meantime check out [[Frequently_Suggested#Giving_or_Trading_Items|this]] which explains why trading is generally seen as a bad idea. Anyway, welcome to the totally awesome UD wiki!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The [http://www.urbandead.com/faq.html#trade FAQ] does hint at trading, but he also says it will take lots of thought. I imagine the coding would be nightmarish too. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::you know what link? you're alllllllllllllllllright.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks {{unsigned|Athur birling}}<br />
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==Making a list? Checking it Twice?==<br />
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We getting a chrimbo update? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow? ==<br />
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Are you hiding it under your cap? Or NO SNOW FOR MALTON WINTER 08'? I miss mah flakie friends! --[[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 21:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:[http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a841/a841.gif Al Gore was right]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd like to put in another vote for snow! I missed the fog this year at Halloween and the snow really added some nice flavour in my opinion. --[[User:Queen Mum|Queen Mum]] 00:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Need moar snow. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== what, no more newspapers? ==<br />
they don't seem to be showing up in hospitals anymore. got rid of them, eh? any chance of them coming back, i love smacking people with 'em! :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:They should be somewhere else maybe? It was annoying with them in hospies. Luckily all ma guys have them already :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Still plenty of places to find [[newspapers]], guys. lrn2wiki. <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, there are no more newspapers in Hospitals. I search them often, and not in ages have I found a newspaper therein. Update that wiki page? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Same here. Seems safe to update. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== I can't smash Xmas lights??? ==<br />
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Those darned Whos! I hate them!! But seriously, the option to smash christmas lights in a ruined building is not available. This is blatant discrimination against zombie scrooges. I protest! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:My apologies. I figured it out. :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hi, I'm a big fan. I finally found your talk page and I have a question, can you reinstall headshots in Monroeville as the humans think they can take down us zeds........--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leaving nice messages for Kevan is fine, however we have a system for suggesting improvements. Please go to [[Developing_Suggestions|Developing Suggestions]] and suggest it there. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 19:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Character Deleted == <br />
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I wanted to make sure that this [[Fixed_Bugs#Teleport_across_Malton_and_level_0_account||bug]] was fixed but it appears that it is not fixed. If you are on the edge of Malton and go to http:urbandead.com/map.cgi?v=100-99 it will mess up your character. I did this with my charachter Yark and now whenever I log in I can't perform any actions with him, and it seems his skills have been deleted: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815674 --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 20:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No! Yark! =( -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Just replicated it by going from 0,99 to 0,100 in New Arkham with a random throwaway I just made: [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1442227 Testy McTesterson]. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I hate to say it, I killed mister <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=142058 password]</span>. After more poking, I have observed even more; Couple of AP and permadeath, I'm the first to go from Spicer Hills to Dakerstown instantly. I'll work out more details when my IP hits refresh, as I just used a proxy that I didn't much like. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::<nowiki>:</nowiki>'( --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::password will live on. (and probably be revivificated) Also, what about 100-100? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::[[:Image:Testy.jpg|We're alive!!]] =D We're level 0 and we've got a zombie chewing on us, but we're alive!! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Fixed. I've dropped Yark into a random, secure building, and given the character 1000XP to get up and running again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The bug? Or Yark? password and Testy are level 0.. The bug was interesting, odd behaviour, but it would be nice if after a server reset you could be free to move again. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 18:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The bug. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 18:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Project Namespace ==<br />
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we have few projects, yet i was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting to have them in their own namespace. Thus projects like [[The Great Mall Project]] and [[ALiM]] would be located in [[Project:The Great Mall Project]] and [[Project:ALiM]]. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but "Project" is a builtin alias for whatever the name of the wiki is (here it's "UDWiki"). e.g. [[Project:Administration]] is the same as [[UDWiki:Administration]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Darn, forgot about that. Maybe in the plural then, [[Projects:The Great Mall Project]] --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::That would just be confusing.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Just Plain Vanity ==<br />
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Any chance of a {{Udspan|''' Dermot O'Leary was still alive and active one month into the Borehamwood quarantine.'''}} ? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== about the admin team ==<br />
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how do you feel about the current sysop team of the wiki ? do you have any problems with how we run things ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:does he give a fuck? recent history would suggest probably not. Stop fishing for compliments hagnat. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:okay that came out a little harsh, but i don't see why you want to bring kevan into this other than for your own gratification. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Hedging much? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 13:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::It's pretty easy to predict what he's going to say. Why would he complain? You can't have nothing to do with your own games wiki then rock up and say 'i hate the way you people run it' and then disappear again. Unless he wants to get involved in the wiki again kevan ''can't'' say he has a problem with the way they run it. Although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Easier than that, last time someone asked him to weigh in on promotions his response was that he basically didn't want his opinion brought into the matter. So No Comment is probably the best bet.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Me? I'm just the guy who provides the hosting, here - I'll step in if there are server issues, or if a rogue bureaucrat locks the wiki down, but everything else is up to the community. If I wanted to have a say in wiki policy, or who should and shouldn't be a sysop, I'd already be doing that. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::J3D 1, haggy, zerrro. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Hey, he gives a fuck about how the community is run. He just won't say how much or what he gives a fuck about. :D --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span></small> 02:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I think Hagnat's concerned for his sysop status. I would be too if I was a ''trusted user'' that was acting against the wishes of the community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop right there Iscariot! I am sick and tired of you constantly saying that every sysop on the team is going agaisnt the wishes of the community! Most of the community never has a problem with the current admin team, and when they do it's rarely a huge problem. Now you come on Kevan's page and still continue the bad mouthing. Just face it, no matter what you will never be pleased with the administration and so you will constantly have to pretend that the whole community is on your side so that you will feel right in your head.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::How many people are there playing the game? How many are on this wiki? Yes, some people don't have time to spend on anything other than playing the game, but how many people are putting hours a day into the meta game and ''still'' won't touch this wiki without an exceptional reason? And how many of those people have told you that the current administration team is one of the primary reasons? My total ''will'' beat yours. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The wiki is an information source. Almost everything is explained in game when you encounter it (1st death, 1st Rez. etc.) So, not every one needs to touch the wiki or even use it as a resource. <br />
::::The wiki is the worst place to organize and meta-game. Just ask DHPD. When we were just Project:T.I.M.E. (well, before the Dead/DoDH) we were seriously outnumbered by them, but because they had all of their profiles linked on here and updated where they were going to be and who they were working with and so on we knew enough about them to take them out. The wiki shouldn't be for the meta-game it should be for information. That's why most groups of note have an off site forum to metagame. You can't blame the current staff because people have figured out that giving away too much information on their groups is bad thing.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::That has so little to do with what iscariot said.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Get it off Kevan's page. He doesn't need to be bothered with a dispute between users. Have it out on each others talk pages, or even mine, just don't start bringing it here. Okay?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 01:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I know, I'm sorry. I just wanted to counter Iscariot's comment because I know exactly what he's trying to accomplish by posting that. I, unlike Iscariot, am done here now.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Much as I hate the way Iscariot is going about his crusade I have to say he does have a point. The sysop team probably does not represent the view of even a large minority of players and that explains why so few players contribute. Not that i think its all the Admin teams fault, but the rules they follow and enforce reflect a community that no longer exist. Most sysops were promoted long before most current players even heard of the game yet the tag "trusted user" is still attached to the title "SYSOP". Few current wiki users vouched for them and fewer still of the actual player base and yet they still cling to positions claiming that "popular" votes undermine the system! They are right that popularity does not mean competence but... Franky i find it a bit odd that sysops can claim the label "trusted user" and not be willing to allow the community to confirm that label. Look back to Conn's promotion bid, or Boxy's or Hagnats or even Kareks and even without checking i can say with confidence that at least half those that vouched are no longer active.... Now i personally '''Would''' vouch for them all but my point is that they were not voted in by the current community and the claims that they are trusted users wear very thin in light of the fact that they do not seem willing to trust the communities opinion on pretty much any issue!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The sysop team doesn't have to represent the view of a large majority of players, it only has to represent the view of the wiki community. Whenever I play a browser game I don't always sign up to their forums/wiki/whatever they have. A large portion of users probably won't bother contributing to the wiki because so many other users already are. If I was to ask you, "what needs contributing to on the wiki?", I'm sure you probably won't have many answers. The only things of note are suggestions and suburb reports, and not everybody is interested in that (and the drama which comes with each of them). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:26/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::I have a few, if you want a list feel free to pester me some time.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 02:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree that the only bits of the wiki that interest most players are the Maps, suggestions and suburb reports (I include maps because i assumed you had forgotten them?) that said i do think that the system is set up to support the views of long time players (contributors) rather than the new players who are actually the lifeblood of the game. While obviously the wiki needs to pay some attention to long time editors like me,wan,cyberbob,ahlg,etc... i would think it would be far more important to promote the wiki to new uers. I still play (and i hope/assume that those named do too) and i would hope that everyone on the admin team does to but it has to be said that without change the game becomes dull and people leave. If the wiki and its admin team does not reflect the changing demographic of the game it is missing what is surely a fundemental point for its existence?--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I remembered the maps, but I did not include them because there is very little to nothing which a new user can contribute to (which is what I'm focusing on). I agree, we should encourage new users to join and contribute, however most of the other work is maintence which doesn't exactly draw the crowd. If you have an idea which would encourage new productive users to sign up then I'ld like to hear it. I'ld be more then happy to help flesh out any ideas you may have. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:50/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::::I think my wiki Urban Dead game could draw in some people to play. They could even make their own once I finish the template. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Autoconfirmed group ==<br />
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Hi Kevan. Just want to ask a quick question. We've had a couple of policies about setting up an autoconfirmed group recently and I thought it might be a good idea to check in with you about it. Depending on the result of [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Autoconfirmed Group Trial|this policy]] would you been willing to implement an autoconfirmed group on the wiki as a trial to see how we get on with it? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No problem. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks. =) -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Quick Questions ==<br />
Sorry to take up your time, but I'm just wandering what you think of the games on the Related Games page. (ie, Nexus War, Shartak, Outbreak, etc). Also on Shartak, Leaky Blocks (It's creator) said that you encouraged Shartak's developement and that you play shartak. Is that true?--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 15:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Shartak's the only spinoff I've played, and yes, Simon/Leaky is an old friend of mine. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Why no chainsaws ==<br />
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:''content moved to [[User_talk:Jakezing|Jakezing talk page]]''<br />
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== Updating the Wiki software, 2.0 ==<br />
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The wiki software, as it stands, is two years old (ish, in the coming month.) As well as the obvious bugfixes and minor changes that can't be gone into detail here, 1.13.3 of MediaWiki has some useful new features that we could use:<br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
*Image undeletion enabled by default<br />
*A prettier [[Special:Specialpages|list of special pages]] (compare to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages Wikipedia's])<br />
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There are heaps of other changes-you can look at the release notes linked [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/News here]. I know that updating the server will take some time, but it would be nice if you could add it to your busy schedule.<br />
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<sub>I stole some of that list from [[User:The General|The General]] above</sub><br />
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Would this increase information between the server and peers= server load increase? {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 12:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think so. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I can't see how it would, but I can't say for sure. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:It's on the to-do list. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Awesome, thanks.--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel -</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks Kevan. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What's your view on adding extensions to the wiki? I'm not talking anything specific here, just in general. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Xmas ==<br />
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Xmas is over, and there are clearly no more Xmas decorations or trees, but the update message was not changed, and there is still the option to hold onto Xmas decorations if found. Perhaps removing that option (and next year posting when Xmas is over) would be helpful? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 13:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Don't take away my Christmas trees... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Christmas trees have been a vehicle for meta-challenges and games when they do pop up. It's fun flavor even in the middle of the year. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool]] and the [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool II]] are a couple examples. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::In sounds like you guys think I am requesting trees be removed altogether. I am not. I mean, the announcement still exists on the main page about the trees and light being available, even though they no longer are, so I am suggesting cycling the announcement to something "current".--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow ==<br />
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Perhaps I have missed something, but did the livestock and industry prevent snowfall last winter? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Misconduct Case Feb 2009==<br />
A user has brought a case over on [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#The_Entire_Sysop_Team.2C_excluding_Kevan_and_.22Urbandead.22|the Administration: Misconduct page]] that indicts every member of the administration team except your personal account and the Urban Dead admin account also controlled by yourself. Due to the obvious problems with ruling on cases in which you are also a named party, none of the current administration team may rule on the case (that is if they conform to the community's policies). Would it be possible for you to quickly look over the case and either rule misconduct or not misconduct to prevent unnecessary fall out? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Pretty sure Kevan isn't going to buy into this shit fyi --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I think you're mistaking me for Read. Fact is, that case is going to sit there for a couple of weeks whilst you and he debate the finer points of whatever it is you discuss. If an involved sysop (as they all are) removes it then we're asking for drama. Kevan can spend five minutes and solve the whole thing for the community, even if he just states that he declines to get involved and rule, which will obviously mean that the sysops cannot be found guilty of misconduct and this will allow the case to be archived. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I may have to agree with Iscariot here. Getting Kevan to say something, anything, will be the only way to end the case without pissing off Read and causing him to file another misconduct case to whomever is the sysop responsible for breaking procedure and then causing a '''huge''' wave of drama, and we all know he's chomping at the bit for something truly substantial to hit the administration with.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 18:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The amount of drama someone causes is only as much as everyone else allows them to (I wasn't mistaking you for Read btw Iscariot; I wasn't intending to implicate you whatsoever). If nobody feeds the troll he will eventually starve to death. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::My opinions on Read, yourself, the sysop team and Santa Claus aren't involved here. The simple fact that allowing the precedent of an involved party to remove a case shouldn't be something we're striving for. Personally I'd rather have Kevan rule, and I think we all know which way. However provided that Kevan publicly responds in some way, even if that response is ''"I'm not ruling, I don't get involved"'', then we have a way to remove the case validly. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::kk --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Read was irrelevant, he wouldn't have continued it and Iscariot has no intentions here but to try and cause said drama. It's what he always does, jumping on something someone else made and perverting it for his own attempts at causing needless drama and faux rebellion to stroke his ego that the sysops who punish him for his actions aren't trusted by the community. The validity of the case was never relevant to his trying to stir shit, neither was the legitimacy of any action a sysop could take in response to it, to him it's all gonna be called abuse. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Not seeing any reason to get involved here; either the misconduct system is poorly worded, or it's being misinterpreted. You shouldn't be able to accuse all but one sysop of misconduct, and allow that one sysop to judge the rest. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::yase, justice have prevailed --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 23:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Massive Zerging in Dunell Hills ==<br />
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About three days ago a large number of new characters all called "TheDeadDie" (i.e., TheDeadDie1 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467702, TheDeadDie15 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467737, etc.) started appearing in Dunell Hills. The first the DHPD heard of it was this iWitness report.<br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-10-09_2000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_5-36_zergertown_a5d-400-1db.html<br />
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There are now, apparently, over 100 of these characters.<br />
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Obviously there is an outside possibility this is a large group of new players but, on the whole, it looks like zerging on a massive scale.<br />
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The DHPD are currently trying to find out more about the situation and deal with it. We thought we should give you a heads up, however, in case there was something obvious in the server logs that would provide definitive proof of zerging and allow swift action to be taken at your end. We understand that you normally prefer to keep out of zerging cases, but this looks pretty outrageous to us and we thought you should, at least, know about it. [[User:Louise|Louise]] 11:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Aye, [[HKL]] ran into this bunch as well and were pretty put-off. [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-11-09_0200hrs_PRIVATE/IN_5-36_Dead_Zerg_Rush__a51-c5d-8a0.html Another iWitness] with even more of them crowded in. Profile search for [http://profiles.urbandead.net/index.php?name=TheDeadDie* TheDeadDie*] shows 102 of them at the moment. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::zergs like that are usually a flash in the pan. 10 bucks says they all idle out before level 3--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 15:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible big ass Zerg in Yagoton ==<br />
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Ok: We have ALOT of Fing lvl 1 free runnerfs hiding in St. Swithuns (which i am guessing you know is a revive point), its caded thanks to the idiots trying ot take over: and I'm guessing this mass colection of lvl 1 free runners (they all have free running only) are bots? They all joined around the exact same time as well.<br />
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*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471315<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471341<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471355<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471480<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471498<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471519<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=163604<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471501<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471358<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471347.<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471324<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471331<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471350<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471366<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471492<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471504<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471367<br />
:Those are the links, srry bout stretching but i forget which one tabs it into a Number.<br />
::Heres a picture of them all in one area. http://i43.tinypic.com/2lwr7k1.jpg<br />
:::Srry bout the mess this is making on the talk.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Take the list to resensitized, that's about all that you can do. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 05:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::One question about that picture. Where'd you get a version of UDToolbar that works with the latest version of Firefox? --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 08:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I just downloaded one? What's different about it? Also theres even more zergs now.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 13:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Jake, unlike how some folks would be I'll be nice here...Kev doesn't do anything about Zergs from info received on the wiki. as a matter of fact Kevan doesn't do a whole lot unless there was a significant amount of community input via the suggestions page and even then it is at his leisure. The Zerg issue is pretty much handled by other folks on the resens list and even then its pretty catch as catch can. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 19:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::No wonder UD fail so hard.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::As many have said before, if you don't like it, then leave. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I think he has sadism issues, as we try and try to get him to leave, but he always keeps coming back for moar abuse. It's sad really.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::You can tell me to go but that doesnt give you the power to make it happen.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I'm not telling you to leave, but it would probably be a good decision if you think UD fails. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 15:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::That's masochism, not sadism. --{{User:William Told/Sig}} 01:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Random Request ==<br />
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Next time you create a new city, any chance of bringing back the junkyard and wirecutters combo? Cheers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:+1. I have to admit to being bitterly disappointed to find open junkyards in Monroeville. :'( {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==TOU/S==<br />
Do we have a Terms of use/service page? I've been looking for a while, and I don't seem to see one. It'd be nice if we did, because then we'd know things that are expressly forbidden due to hosting issues and the like.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:If you cannot find it: it does not exist.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 22:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Oh piss off. No one is fooled by your act, so please just fuck off. Kevan? Do we have a list of things that are forbidden due to country laws, hosting issues, etc. or not (Not necessarily meaning it's available on this site, but one that you know about that pertains to the wiki)? I mean, yeah there are a few "duh" sort of ones, like no kiddie porn and stuff, but others I have no idea about. Any help?--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.com This site] (domain tools,) says that [http://www.as29550.net/ this] is his ISP, server located in England. The ISP has an "Abuse of TOS" email address, so presumably they have a TOS, although I can't find it. I have no idea about English law. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::From time on another, more combative, site I have a layman's understanding of British Law as it applies to defamation, slander, libel and the nature of physical threats and illegal actions that appertain to the settlement of the aforementioned. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::A brief education by the University of Google finds no such laws relating to death threats, but I would imagine that such a law would be buried deep in things like criminal codes. If it comes to it, I'll ask one of my teachers about the (Australian) legal system when it comes to these things, or one of my parents (both lawyers.) That said, that's ''Australian'' law, but our law is pretty similar to that of the UK. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Back in the Day Xoid and I had to do some research on the TOS because of a user abusing in serious violation of them. However I've gone looking and haven't been able to find the references anywhere still on the Wiki. It was probably on a talk page of some article that was deleted in an edit without being archived. The primary gist of it was this... any form of intimidation that went beyond a certain level of namecalling and usual wiki BS was a violation, ESPECIALLY if it included "real world"<sup>tm</sup> threats of harm or violence. Also included were any situation where hosted domains were used to damage the effectiveness of another website or host (as an example you couldn't use any part of the host to launch a d.o.s. attack on another domain. Not that this was really possible by anyone but Kevan. Also iirc the Wiki and the Game were on different hosts at teh time but I'm pretty sure that has changed since then. I don't know. I was never the techno-savant of the group and my memory is hazy. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Thanks Conn, that's a little bit of what I'm looking for. Just waiting for a response from the big man about all this now.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I also thought we had some basic terms on the wiki somewhere, but maybe we don't. The Poundhost terms of service are [http://www.poundhost.com/tos/ here]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Thank you, I'll start working on a page for the wiki.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 14:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|Semi-protection]] ==<br />
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...Was approved. I think all you have to do is change the autoconfirmed group to 1 week and 25 edits. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Going to update the config, it turns out that [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAutoConfirmCount $wgAutoConfirmCount] needs a later version of MediaWiki; this will either have to wait for a MediaWiki upgrade, or be reproposed without the edit count. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::We'll wait for the MediaWiki upgrade, there's no hurry. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wiki_Questions#Time_Travel?|Time Travel]] ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, we've just had a very weird thing happening with the edit histories. Where you trying to do something or was it just a bug? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No, I wasn't around at the time, I've no idea what that was about. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Okay, thanks. I'll do some poking at the Mediawiki help files if I have time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ever gonna update the game? ==<br />
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a lot of people are quitting the game.it's because you won't update the game. you need to push for 2-3 updates per month. i'm telling you so your game does not suffer. please update the game for the people's sake--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:How many games do you run, Yokotory? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Well I do run track and Cross-country. I ski on the weekends.Do you run at any games or track meets?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, rowing and weights are my sporting loves. The difference is that I'm not telling you how to run or ski, whilst you are trying to tell Kevan how to run a game which is heading toward four years of lifespan without once having had your help. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::I refuse to believe that Jerrel wasn't being a smartarse there. The concept of him actually taking your words in that way for real is just too retarded for words. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 06:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::He was kidding wasn't he?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I believe they call it intentional misinterpretation, an example of me employing that very device is on either Boxys or kareks talk page, something to do with alim and hagnat...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I was faced with the choice of believing that he's either cripplingly unfunny or a functionally illiterate retard. The evidence all pointed to 'Retard' so I went with that and answered as though serious.--[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 12:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
No, I'm telling him that his game is going into despair, whilist he is doing nothing about it.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And you're also telling him how to 'fix' it, which amounts to exactly what I said. Care to back up your claims? How far have numbers fallen in the last six months? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I really don't think a 'lack' of updates is the reason for dropping numbers. I'm not 100% sure the balance of some of the more recent updates is quite right but that isn't my call. But the game doesn't need a barrage of updates coming out every other month. The slow progression of the game over time gives it longer life than having quick fix after quick fix to keep people with low attention spans happy.--[[User:DI Marc Sweeny|DI Sweeny]] 01:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The numbers seems to have stagnated, actually. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
I'd like to thank you Kevan for taking your sweet time in updating the game. It's making it a little less full of people entirely incapable of self-motivation, thus making it more fun. Kudos to you sir. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Acctully Kevan is my idol. kevan is a good person for what he's doon.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 02:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Isn't this the dude who nominated himself for sysop after 200 edits? Yoko, do you think you could whip us up a cross-country and/or track MMORPG? Because that would be ''awesome''. Throw in some chainsaws, too, and maybe some crucifixes that shoot laser beams. You would totally show up Kevan! --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 04:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Okay, Now you all think I'm a retard. Sorry for pointing out what everyone else could not see. Sorry for pointing out the obvious. Most people in this game, (the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats, pardon me)would agree with me a think this game needs a freakin update. I take cybertonics and Coding as a special class at GU and I know it's hard to code, I've tryed it. But Kevan IS A TRAINED SPECIALIST. He could redo this entire game in a half hour if he wanted too. sooooo, whays a 1 UPDATE PER MONTH? is that so hard to ask?????<br />
add a new weopon, new builing, something. Please.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Last year kevan gave us 18 updates including 2 new cities. Give him a rest. {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And most all of them had someone complaining about the game being made harder or more complicated. A few legitimately, most because it screwed with their status quo. I have absolutely no clue why he would want to take his time between updates.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Making an update is a '''lot''' more than just coding it. The balance needs to be thought of thoroughly and it needs to be tested. These things take time. Sure, Kevan could probably push out ''one update a week'' if he wanted to and wasn't lazy, but those would be unbalanced and buggy updates. Unbalanced and buggy updates are more likely to drive people away than a lack of updates. The game simply doesn't need to change every month, not even every couple of months. If you find the game boring, ''go and do something interesting and different yourself''. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 09:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. Lots of rushed, unbalanced updates would simply destroy the game (and it has nearly [[On Strike|got to that point]] before.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Finally someone who agrees with me!!! Why drag out updates?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 21:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:"the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats" - Just so you know, I'm neither. Carry on. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm actually the only sysop to comment in this conversation - and I did it [[Talk:Main_Page#Out_of_date.3F|here]] (with the exception of Karek, who'll be [[A/DM|demoted soon.]]) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I find myself in the middle of this arguement, in terms of the two sides. On the one hand, I don't want Kevan to break the game balance every week, fix it and then break it in a different way the next week, but on the other I feel that an update is about due.<br />
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Besides, I think an update every two months or so isn't much of an ask, even if its just adding an item from the PR suggestions. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Can we please close this topic? Everyone wants to say something about Jerrel's ridiculous statement but I don't think it's worth the spam that it's leaving on Kevan's page. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Im sure on the 1st of april there will be an update. usually is! {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
Hey!!!! Everyone that wants an update should get together and go on strike!!!!!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop talking now. A strike for something as lame-assed as this is nothing short of pitiful. You are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
[[Image:Update.JPG]] because i had already done this and it seems a shame to waste such a half assed effort. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with both sides of this. I believe we need updates BIG TIME, but I also believe Jerrel has no right blaming Kevan. He's probably a busy man. As for a strike: No. Plain and simple. Now, can we stop spamming Kevan's pages please? Kthzbye. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::What do we so badly need an update for? The game is well balanced and has a fairly complex and robust play. More fiddly little detail skills likely won't improve that play any, and won't draw in / hold onto more players. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 06:40, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
Why won't Kevan Reply back to this?<br />
<br>I know i was being kind of offensive to you Kevan, so sorry.<br />
<br> But would you mind telling me WHY you won't update the game?<br />
I mean, you gave us two new cities last year!<br />
<br> and i appriciate it, but the game hasn't been updated since 2008!<br />
so, if you don't mind, i would really like to hear what you have to say.<br />
<br> (And please don't flip out on me, even though I have been a jerk)<br />
<br> And i'm also apologizing for being a jerk too.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 01:33, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Making new cities brings in motherfuckin' cash money. Adding skills and what have you doesn't. Comprende? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:28, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:We had an update just 15 days ago! --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 08:55, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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WE DID NOT! LOOK AT THE FREAKING UD START PAGE! NO UPDATE-PREHENDA?----[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 04:18, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Erm, the [[April Fool's]] Day update, the one that happens every year? My god you're dense. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:01, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
<nowiki>*facepalms*</nowiki><br />
<br>Sorry kevan, i usually get all my updates from the game.<br />
<br>nothing unusual happened to me on april 1st though.<br />
<br>i think i'm losing myself.<br />
<br>I AUTHERIZE TOPIC SELF-DESTRUCTION!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 15:52, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:In a word: Fail. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:59, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::He spams Kevan's talk page with so much crap I want to take him to VB... {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:36, 19 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:::I still say kevan should get some people to help him run the game, its rather fun and large for one person ot have to run alone. Oh and I'm not saying me, no I'd abuse it by banning a 4rth of the game and making revives harder again.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 23:58, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Donated Characters == <br />
Any chance that the "This character is no longer affected by the IP limit." banner that appears on your profile if you have donated $5 could be shown to everyone that visits the profile, not just the owner of the profile.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:exhibitionist. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And proud.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I think there's people who would not want that. Maybe if it was an option you could allow / turn off via settingas? {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:39, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I'd have it say "This character has been donated for.", but really, it's basically just showing off – link to your wiki page from your profile and [[Template:Donated|show off there]]. Oh, and I think you meant to post this in [[Developing Suggestions]]. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 08:12, 20 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I would totally come back to just pk people who have donated.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 04:37, 26 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::You've left?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 16:17, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Standing Zombies ==<br />
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Kevan, I can't find the topic from last time around, but the borehamwood stats. Standing zombies means literally that doesn't it. Active zombies with greater than 0 hit points? Not just active zombie characters? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:52, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Question about the last Update ==<br />
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"Survivors are once again looting the long-abandoned seasonal storerooms of the city's shopping malls, to find lights and trees for their safehouses." I'm assuming Christmas season in Malton is really long then, just wondering what kind of in game explanation we could use, --[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:01, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:"The snow has subsided and survivors are ready to feel bad about themselves again". Not that an explanation matters. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 03:11, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
::No, it's just5 that it seems awkward ot explain why we are still getting christmas trees in the middle of spring thats all: and we might wanna get a explanation, or kevan could take them out in a mini-update.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 2 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Where to suggest technical issues? ==<br />
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I have gathered [[User:Tumu/GameTech|a list of technical issues]] which might need a look (as they have been unfixed since 2007), but they don't exactly fit the bug reports page either (not user visible/annoying issues). Would this be more appropriate place to get a review for them? --[[User:Tumu|Tumu]] 09:26, 25 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:They do seem unlike those that go to [[Bug Reports]], but I think the best place ''would'' be to take them there. I'm only suggesting that however because no one else has given you any direction, and I apoligise for that. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:57, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Noted; there do seem to be a few weird oversights in there. Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:14, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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::Speaking of weird things, is it intentional for Flesh Rotters to get the benefits while alive? I'd have thought that since they were alive, their flesh wasn't rotting, so they wouldn't get the Flak+Body Building effects while alive. I'd like to know, because I'm going to make a suggestion to have it that way if its current effect is intended. if it's not intended, then this can be moved to Bug Reports. Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:41, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Bub's in danger! ==<br />
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Just so you know, a page dedicated to your character [[Bub]] is up for deletion. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:51, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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Yeah kevan please come and save that great page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:20, 29 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== A few things ==<br />
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Firstly, about that MediaWiki upgrade. Sorry if I'm pestering you, it's just that it would be quite useful (an upgrade to Checkuser would be nice as well, I've seen screenshots of a later version and it looks like it streamlines the process a little.)<br />
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Secondly, a user asked me the other day (a few weeks ago) about a problem he was having in my chatbox:<br />
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{{Quote|VI|Link, I need haaaaalp! I'm trying to make a shoutbox, here. The problem: when I, to get rid of the horizontal scrollbar, use "overflo*w:auto" instead of "overflow:scroll" the wiki's spam filter won't let me use that code. I don't know if you can edit the spamfilter (I'm wiki illiterate), but do you know how I can fix this? Thanks a ton. VI 22:05, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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I confirmed it myself, and wrote<br />
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{{Quote|Linkthewindow|Hmm... that's really odd. I can't edit the spam filter (at least not what I know of,) but I need to as Kevan about something {*cough*MediaWiki upgrade*cough*) so I'll ask him then. For future reference, I'll need this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features page]. Linkthewindow Talk 22:29, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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Finally, and on a pedantic note, would it be okay if you could turn the Guides namespace into a proper one? So [[Talk:Guides:Shelter]] is rendered as Guides talk:Shelter. As far as I know, there are a few in the Guide: namespace too, so we'll have some moving to do if this is done (sysops, of course.)<br />
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Thanks for your time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:58, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:I second this nudge.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:03, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:"over<nowiki></nowiki>flow:auto" is a standard spambot trick for hiding all their links in a 1px div, which I think we were having trouble with a few years ago. The filtering is possibly hardcoded somewhere.<br />
:If there's general support for another namespace, point me at the discussion and I'll add it.<br />
:Updating MediaWiki is on the list, but below "update the actual game" at the moment. I'll fit it in when I can. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:12, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Okay, then thanks. It's not a big deal about the spam filter, I'll start a discussion at [[Talk:Guides]] (although I can't see it being a big deal) and thanks about the upgrade. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:15, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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Kevan will doo it! Also, happy very belated birthday (13 May?) assuming your Amazon wishlist is correct!<tt>:D</tt> --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:24, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Oh, and don't [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|forget about this]] <tt>;)</tt>. And happy belated birthday! Only one month late. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:24, 4 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Suggesting Suggestions Change ==<br />
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I want your opinion on a proposed change I have to the Suggestions Layout. I’d think it would be more efficient to have a normal suggestions area, a clothing suggestions area, and a humorous suggestions area, all with links listed one after the other on the main voting page. I also see the humorous suggestions layout is a bit confusing, and I would recommend splitting it into 2 parts, the funny and the non-funny, then splitting it into the many categories (areas of effect) under each heading. I’d also ask if the humorous suggestions voting process would become something similar to the normal process, with each suggestion open for 2 weeks, but no SPAM votes (just FUNNY or NOT FUNNY). Would this be a viable option? I’d think the layout changes should at least make it easier to find and view them all.<br />
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I would also like to know if there’s a process for suggesting that certain stuff be added to the Frequently Suggested section on the main voting area. There seem to be some common ones I’d like to have added to the list.<br />
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I also have a question about the normal voting process that only you can answer. Does SPAM=STRONG KILL? I see it’s still a common issue today, and it’s still debated if you can vote SPAM for a strong kill, or only vote SPAM if a suggestion is game-breaking or horribly unnecessary. Also, could you check the voting guidelines section and make sure it matches whatever your decision is? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:46, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:In too many years of wasted time here I don't recal Kevan ever directly commenting on suggestions (or indeed much of anything else) so I doubt he is going to start now. Personally I wouldn't worry about where a suggestion heads just so long as its not unjustly '''SPAMMED''' and that's pretty rare. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:51, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::He does things every once in a while, when it actually requires his attention. Normally his hands off approach works pretty well because we manage to handle everyhting.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:58, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Okay, well, what are your takes on this then?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 18:11, 23 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Huge Ruin bug could leave the whole of [[Borehamwood]] caded in less than a month. ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, <br />
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Wednesday night a member of my borehamwood survivor group did a very large suicide repair, when he logged himself back on, he found he had 50ap and the building was repaired.<br />
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Thursday night, I attempted my own suicide repair and yet again the same thing happened.<br />
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We've done a lot of suicide repairs and as such we know that these were the highest repairs we have attempted. And they both worked. To check our findings, we asked another survivor to repeat the experiment, to confirm our spadework was correct. <br />
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It was. Not only that, but this survivor was able to enact the repair, recade the building to ehb and then enact ANOTHER suicide repair, which left them BACK on 50ap. In fact the survivor managed to repeat this 6 times. With one character. In one day. Before the 300 IP for one character kicked in. <br />
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At this time 4 of us survivors know the exact technique, but at least 10 others are pretty close to working it out (AP levels etc). I reckon by sunday all 51 survivors will have worked it out.<br />
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As it stands the whole challenge of surviving borehamwood is moot. We can't do coma repairs on 99% of buildings without this happening, and Im not expecting zeds to hang around with this giant loophole. It also destroys the smugness us survivors have from surviving for 6 months. <br />
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All 4 survivors who do know the trick have currently stopped repairing buildings within the range, but I can't control the whole population.<br />
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At the minute survivors could repair the whole of NE Borehamwood, Radlett or Elstree in a day, 1 survivor could reclaim the big brother house on their own, <br />
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Apologies for the lack of screenshots, but with permadeath as it is, we don't want to give away our position. <br />
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It seems to be a dupe of the following case on bug reports. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Bug_Reports#Massively_negative_AP_causes_AP_reset<br />
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Apologies for posting it here, but I felt the game breaking nature of this bug warrants the intrusion. Let me know if you need more details. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Thanks. Building repair has now been temporarily disabled in Borehamwood and Monroeville, while this is fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:46, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::When you say massive repair, do you mean it's bringing you to under -255 AP? I could think of some weird wrapping thing happening when the AP gets too negative and it tries to make it positive or something, capping at the 50 AP norm. 255's the magic number for how large a single byte can represent. It's may have something to do with what type of data Kevin's storing AP with - integer, double, float, etc. (whoo edit conflicted by Kevan) --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:49, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::The cutoff point (Now its banned) is -150ap Any suicide repair that takes you below this value creates the reset. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::::Very strange... -150 to 50 is a range of 200, nothing particularly significant. Then again, I have no idea how Kevan coded AP regen. Now the big repair costs have come back to bite in an ironic kind of way, eh? :P --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:53, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Its quite a wide range. Theres probably been only a handful of such building in Malton's history. Borehamwood has a whole cities worth. If it takes a while kev can we have an amnesty in the cities? Those pesky zeds are always chewing on our cades. I wouldn't mind but I've only got one life. :).--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:55, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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:This bug has now been fixed, and repairs have been enabled again in the other two cities. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:08, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Thanks Kevan! Swiftly done I must say. May all your future updates be bug free.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:10, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Twenty minutes... I'm hella impressed. Thanks for fixing this. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 17:18, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Wut? But half way up are the oldest posts, then they go up, then they go down... Thsi page is confusing ...--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Pointless [[Borehamwood]] request == <br />
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Can we have a public broadcasting system too? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:57, 3 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks for updating ==<br />
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Just wanted to say thanks for updating the game, I realize it's probably not high on your list of priorities. I'm sure everyone who plays appreciates it. --[[User:Mike411|Mike411]] 00:25, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
: Same here, Thanks Kev --[[User:Imthatguy|Imthatguy]] 04:41, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|This bug]] ==<br />
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As promised, I'm just giving you a heads up regarding [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|this display error]] that happens when UDToolbar interacts with the new update. We suspected it was a clash between the UDToolbar's manual HP colouriser and the new update colouriser, and Moonshine was able to go through some code to try and give you a hand. You may have already seen it, but hopefully what Moonshine and others have done can help you. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 14:27, 6 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Grammar Error==<br />
Just so you know, there's a grammatical error in the Fort Transmitter broadcast message:<br />
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''You broadcast [message] on 25.97 MHz, the using the fort's secure channel.''<br />
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It isn't going to break the game or anything, but it does make it look a little... 'sloppy'. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 21:54, 5 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:There is a page to report these [[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead|here]]. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<big><u><span style="color:DarkSlateGray">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkBlue ">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkSlateBlue">ℜ</span></u></big>]] 03:30, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:18, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Open Discussion/Borehamwood How Was It For You?]] ==<br />
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Community opinions on Borehamwood Collected in one place. Hope it helps with future projects. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:07, 13 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Something that might give you a laugh... ==<br />
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Here I was bored and tired so I wrote this, I thought it might be funny and I think you may find it even more so given it's nature, [[Developing_Suggestions#TUCOK_-BBHHN-_.28The_United_Churches_Of_Kevan.29_-Blessed_be_his_holy_name- (The United Churches Of Kevan) -Blessed be his holy name-]] -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 09:16, 24 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Upgrading the wiki again ==<br />
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It's about that time of year. The wiki could use an upgrade, among the various features mentioned many times in the past that upgrading to a more up to date mediawiki version would provide as of [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] there is now a NewUsers log, which would be invaluable for catching throw away and vandal alt accounts like [[User:Izumi]] and [[User:3pwv]] used to use along with actually making user efforts to be welcoming like [[Welcomenewbie]] accountable and possibly useful. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] also brought in the ability to view deleted user contributions(instead of just the current ones) for sysops, the ability to omit diffs after rollback, and a fix at least one particularly exploitable checkuser bug that would allow users to screw with the ability for sysops to search the logs.<br /><br />I'd mention some of the features in previous version updates but I'm sure by now you're pretty well aware of them as it's been brought up many times in the past. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14], though, would significantly increase the ability for sysops to do their jobs when dealing with actual page vandalism and adbot spam along with helping the wiki, in general, run more smoothly from day to day.<small>([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.15 1.15])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.13 1.13])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.12 1.12])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.11 1.11])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.10 1.10])</small>--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:40, 1 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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== FYI re: "satellite phone" ==<br />
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Hi. So I recently wrote a Greasemonkey script that adds a "satellite phone" to the game. It's a simple messaging system with a user interface that embeds itself into the game, by modifying the rendered page in the user's browser, as Greasemonkey does. The thing does resemble the in-game mobile phone quite a lot, by design. Here's [[DSS Satellite Phone|more info]].<br />
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This was discussed in Brainstock [http://s1.zetaboards.com/brainstock/topic/2220895/], and some people complained about it. It was said that this unbalances the game, "overpowers" a game item, bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages. This wasn't a general opinion--I certainly find it all a bit silly--but someone then suggested that what should be done would be reporting it to you, letting you decide if this extension is improper somehow.<br />
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I thought that was sensible, so I'm "reporting myself," in a way. Just posting it here as an FYI, so you are aware of this. Cheers. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 09:15, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:Sounds like the same kinda nonsense that would see forums done away with for everyone that isn't a survivor. That thread reads very much like the person who started it did so with that intent in mind. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:00, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:: Hey that was me! I started that thread, you can clearly see my name :-( , I just started it as someone mentioned it in game and I was wondering about peoples views on it thats all.---[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 06:35, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::karek i have ''no'' idea what you're talking about whatsoever.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:18, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::''"bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages"'', the whole thread cited is mostly a few people complaining because they don't like metagaming, not particularly even regarding the tool in question. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:19, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::That being said, email tends to get a better response rate/time from him depending on the title/content/sender. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:24, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Right, cheers Karek. Thing is, I'm not really expecting a response, and I'm not comfortable spamming his mailbox with this. I really do think this is all rather silly. I'm sure the game will survive my script long enough for him to read this at his convenience here. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 06:14, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::From the sounds of it, it's just a script that facilitates metagaming. Like using MSN, or as we do, IRC... except done in-game. There's nothing zerg-tastic about it, nor does it collect data in ways that might be perceived as unfair, like DEMON or UDBrain. There's no reason to worry about what some git on Brainstock said (and BS is chock full of gits...), don't sweat it --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:20, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::::Wonder what they say about us :*( --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 07:15, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::::They don't think about us, because they're not aware we exist. Most BSers really aren't too aware that there's a whole big world of UD players outside their little board. Well, ok, I think many are vaguely aware that zombies have this forum called bar-something-dot-something. And I think most of them are aware of the DEM subgroup called Red Rum; but this subgroup was created to give the appearance of in-game competition, to get around Malton's strong antitrust laws, so it basically counts as part of their self-enclosed milieu. Finally, many of them have used the wiki, but none of them will ever admit it, it's ''that'' taboo a subject. But other than that, to BSers, there is little other than BS. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:25, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Hello Kevan. No one pestering you on this page for over a month? Crazy. Just wondering if you were planning anything for [[Borehamwood]]'s big first birthday? Its only 2 days away after all........--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I know! Blow it up! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Nuke the Big Brother House! Finally, some reality TV worth watching. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Or halve the size of monroeville everyday. No one would suspect that! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::-Let alone notice it. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 02:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Kill anything and everything in Malton. That would be a TRUE surprise.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'd be interested to see if survivors could recover. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 05:29, 27 October 2009 (BST)<br />
::Of course we could! It would take about two weeks, but we could easily do it. If you wan;t ill explain on a talk page other than the big bosses. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Tommy guns. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Halloween update timestamps ==<br />
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Seem to be missing on the new kill messages [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/11-01-09_0100hrs_PRIVATE/IN_62-14__954-071-ba1.html example] also confirmed broken without any extensions/scripts {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 02:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I realise this may very well be a feature of the halloween event but with the changing of the kill messages the missing timestamps are a bit strange, just making sure you're aware {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 04:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, it's not just a lack of timestamps. I've noticed that all of the ones that lack timestamps are also for people that are not at my location. For instance, in [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Anubis_IV/urbandead/halloween_change_bug.png this screenshot], the ones with timestamps are for people actually at my location, while none of the ones without them were people at my location (there were more actions under those, but they all had timestamps and were for people at my location). It's also interesting that some of the groups of events that took place repeat themselves a few times, and that "to talk" showed up as a contact of mine, despite the fact that he isn't. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::<s>i'm guessing it's part of the halloween event thingy, i thought the implementation of the weapon name killings screwed up because there's no period or timestamp following but now i think about it it actually makes sense to neglect them if you're going to mass fake kill people... OHEY IS THAT SOMETHING SHINY OVER THERE *runs* {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 06:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
:::This doesn't seem to be like april fools where everything is just a joke but rather quite the serious bug, they're actual events happening elsewhere in the city {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 11:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Fixed. Looks like there may have been some minor echoes from kills elsewhere in the city. It was a bug, but consider it an eerie halloween event. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Could I have a clarification, please? This bug didn't create events but some simply appeared in a different location from where they actually occurred. Correct? --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 12:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it was a bug, I can't be 100% sure. Don't kill anyone over it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::Awww, man... Alright, then! *grins* Fair enough! --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 05:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Question about Malton ==<br />
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Is Malton considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_borough metropolitan borough] and a city similar to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester Manchester] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool Liverpool] or is it considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_county metropolitan county] with each suburb being a metropolitan borough? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leave it to Akule to bring up a question like that. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I always thought of it as a city state. Like, I don't know, Monaco or something. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The same wiki that gives you the examples also gives the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malton,_North_Yorkshire answer]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::...yes, but I didn't think the fictional city of Malton was actually the real city of Malton. You know, based on the fact it is nothing [http://www.ryedale.co.uk/ryedale/malton/malton.html like it]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, there has been hints that it was based in England, but I was just curious to know how much of it was based on being located in England. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::You've never thought to know more about Malton? ;) --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::D'eh...MAYBE?!?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Borehamwood throws up even more questions, as being based on dead set IT IS based in england. Borehamwood has no gun stores in its shopping centres, and only 2 railway stations and supermarkets, so it would appear Malton IS somewhere different. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Strike time==<br />
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I am hearby requesting a striking of a ban from my vandal record as i have reached the requirements as per policy. I will be placing this request on an assortment of your peers talk pages so as to insure that this time, my striking isn't mysteriously postponed so as to further tarnish my record despite no wrong doing on my part. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 15:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Update-ah==<br />
So, what's the word on the updates being done to the wiki? Just making sure you don't forget ;) --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 18:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass >:| {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Are you in support of the Copenhagen Summit?==<br />
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Bascially I'm asking if we're having snow this year. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It's on its way. And I'm fairly comfortable with the carbon footprint of a zombie apocalypse. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers. I was wondered that the server itself was snowbound, swindon being as cold as it is. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Just realised how badly this might screw perma death survivors. Hmm. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Hmm. How long is '''temporary''' Kevan? How many hours do they take to fade? Also some of the fields in permadeath cities don't look that snowy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:17, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I can confirm this. Only one of the field colours has turned white.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's random, but averages to six hours. Fields should be fixed now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::The fields are fixed.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Any chance of bloody snow for outdoor deaths? --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 02:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::it exists check it out [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/12-22-09_2100hrs_PRIVATE/OUT_15-78__210-11a-044.html] "thick snow splashed with blood" "Blood <br />
soaks into the snow." --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 02:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== urbandead.org ==<br />
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I presume you have probably seen this but it looks like a phishing site for peoples log in, just thought I inform you of it incase you want to take action.--[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 01:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
: If you check out the "revive que" there are [[MoB]] members as well as this gentlemen [[User:GasCandle]] who is banned from editing the wiki. I didn't dig much further into the "revive list" once I saw that gentlemen. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I looked a little further and the /whois looks made up http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.org which is why a few people have mentioned it might be a scam. --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 02:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::The person who created the suspicious website has changed it. If you want to see screenshots from before it was changed, or see his explanation, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Ripf22|the A/VB case]]. --{{User:Jasonjason/sig}} 22:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Spawning]]==<br />
Just finished writing an article on it. I have a question that I can't really find out from spadework. If there were no Necrotech's in Malton below Heavily Barricaded, where would new Necrotech Assistant's spawn?<br />
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Also, UD is still only copyrighted until 2009 and I discovered a grammatical error I posted on the relevant page. Thanks. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Typos fixed. Under the current code, NecroTech staff would just start on the streets somewhere. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 08:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers fearless leader. I wish you well with the April 1st update. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 08:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hey, lazybones! ==<br />
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When the fuck are you going to get around to fixing the Goddamn game? Love 'n' kisses --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 08:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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While you're at it, try to get urbandead popular again, the number of active characters is starting to drop below 20000, maybe it's time for some advertising, eh? --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Urban Dead might be popular if it wasn't such a broken game! What with the radical, nigh-unplayable imbalance that makes it utterly pointless to play a zombie. Oh, and that worthlessness carrying over to making it such a breeze to play a survivor. I mean there's absolutely no point in being a survivor when you can just stroll around the city without risking your neck. I mean even a large, dedicated horde of zombies (of which the game has, like, ''two'') can't hold back one tenth their number in survivors.<br />
:For a zombie apocalypse game, there are fuck all zombies and there is fuck all apocalypse. The only way anyone really has fun is either griefing or sitting around roleplaying all day. And who the fuck can grief properly when the game is a buggy, unfinished pile of shit that makes it literally impossible for one of the sides to win? Not to mention that if all you're doing in game is roleplaying, what's to stop you from just doing it on a forum? Oh wait, nothing whatsoever, which is why the fucking unofficial forums for this game have more action than the game itself.<br />
:Urban Dead is broken, Kevan shows no interest in even ''looking into'' the billions of problems it has, so you're better off closing your browser and playing Left 4 Dead or something. Y'know, that's the zombie apocalypse game where the survivors face a credible threat that can't simply be trounced by locking a door and pushing a vending machine in front of it. '''FIX THE FUCKING GAME.''' --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:38, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Have you chaps considered that you're horrifically ungrateful for a ''free'' game that's meant to be a 5 minute distraction? --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Some of us have actually given money to this game, by the way. It's not unheard of that people do pay for things online. If he removes the DONATE button then maybe we won't "have the right" to complain anymore, but until then I and others are paying customers wanting some damned customer service. But you keep that smug attitude because I'm sure it's helping you go far in life!--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not ungrateful, but I'd like to continue to play urbandead which I won't be able to do if the numbers of players keep dropping forcing Kevan to eventually pull the plug. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Well this "chap" thinks that if you're going to release something for public consumption, it shouldn't '''suck'''. The fact remains that the game is unbalanced, which makes it unfun. If, say, World of Warcraft made it so that the Horde had 1/10th the hit rate of the Alliance, Blizzard would be fucking crucified. Free or not, lousy design is lousy design. I'm not saying this out of ''entitlement'' or anything retarded like that, I am saying it as someone who wants to play the game without being gimped to fuck just because I want to be a zombie instead of a survivor. Of course, the alternative is for me (and the thousands of others who feel this way) to stop playing a game that is basically designed at the very basest level to screw us over. Then, WHOOPS! Goodbye donations and ad revenue! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 23:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I actually think that what 'ruined' the game (at least balance wise) was zombies... The very fact that they sucked to play forced people to either leave or organize, net result mega hordes that were basically unstoppable and forced buffs for survivors to give them a chance while making it even less rewarding to play a feral zed. To all intent and purpose this game has more sides than it was ever designed for. We have survivors and zombies but each of those are split into different play styles which the mechanics struggle to balance. Basically survivors are better at killing other survivors than zombies are and zombies often end up killing other zombies more than actual survivors. Hell, some survivors max out without even seeing a zombie and the game set-up makes it an unrewarding struggle to level a new character in a city full of veterans. At the end of the day I think this game needs to evolve before it dies.... New (short lifespan) cities are probably the best way forwards in my opinion because the early days with their actual struggle to survive against 'equals' are great fun, the sense of discovery of a new place also really adds spice too. But hey, too many people seem attached to their maxed characters that they hardly ever play anymore to even contemplate such a thing! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I think most of us will agree that ''something'' needs to be done, which is exactly what isn't happening or at least it seems that way. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Maybe fixing the '''ABYSMAL''' hit rates for zombies might help. I mean, ''supposedly'' I have a 30% chance of hitting with a bite attack against a given target for 1 AP. Now, I can easily spend (and have spent) 15 AP and only hit on that last, 15th attempt. What are the chances of this happening? Mathematically, you say it was (3/10)^15, or a 0.000001% chance. That isn't "bad luck", that goes beyond "bad luck" and into the realms of "your coding is so shitty if I saw it I would try to flush". There is actually more chance of me rolling the same number 10 times in a row on a regular six-sided die than there is of me missing that many attacks. But it happens, it happens frequently, and it's one of the billion reasons why this game needs a severe overhaul, and/or someone competent working on it. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 02:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::No one cares about your opinion. But is that why you've resorted to spamming Kevan rather than stick to your own 'zombie improvements' in your userspace; you realise no one cares anymore? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 02:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
Katthew actually makes some damn good points rather than resorting to ad hominem. [[Groove Theory]] would not be possible with a properly implemented RNG, but [[Bug Reports#Groove Theory is working again|oh, whoops]]! Also, Honestmistake, what game are ''you'' playing? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 10:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:These days? Mostly Bobwars (wigbl.com)... What exactly is it you don't agree with in my post though? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Sadly, I kinda agree with Honest, feral zombies have it extremely hard these days. They need to follow hordes around or just lay around and wait for destruction in their suburbs. Once the horde is gone though, their goes the bulk of your food. Its almost beneficial nowadays to be a killer or a survivor and thats it (assuming your not in a horde). --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 15:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Or just sit tight. Even a modest number of zeds can keep most buildings ruined. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I demand that the game be "fixed" so that those who can't get laid will have something to do before and after they masturbate! HELP THEM, KEVAN! You're their only hope... --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 17:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Well looky, a whole cluster fuck load of whining.<br />
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Want more people to play? Go and fucking recruit them yourselves. Don't ask Kevan to fork out even more from his own pocket so that your enjoyment of this free game is improved. You spend the money. You put the work in. Alternately you all could shut the fuck up.<br />
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Want some changes? The FAQ says quite clearly to put them through the suggestions system rather than whine here like a bunch of fucking fort dwellers. Want Kevan to build you your own city to your own ideas? He's done it before for distribution companies, just do the same thing they did. Pay the man. Kevan's a professional, pay him his hourly rate if you want something. You're entitled to shit for free. He's nice enough to continue to let the game be played for free, so let's say enough with the comparisons to the money gouging and spyware installing World of Warcrack. Ask the man nicely how much your own city would be, plus an hourly rate for any bugs that appear, plus a negotiated set figure of each major update. Then go have a bake sale, car wash or just start selling organs on the black market and give Kevan the money for the work you want him to do.<br />
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Put your money where your whining is. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Back when I was an admin and I moderated the Suggestions page with an '''IRON FIST''', it was still a worthless piece of shit. These days it is approximately fifty gajillion times more useless and shitty. Kevan doesn't read it any more than he reads any other section of this wiki, not even just because he's lazy as sin, but also because they're not worth reading. Also, I've already dragged people into this game. Maybe you remember [[The Dead]]? You know, the 10,000-strong superhorde that practically ''wrecked the entire fucking game?'' All me, bitch. I got that shit ''going''. Because unlike you, I am one proactive motherfucker who doesn't sit around doing shit-all.<br />
:So don't you fucking talk to me about recruiting people to play this game, you measly-mouthed little cumstain. I brought in more than you could possibly imagine with that withered rectum you call your brain. But hardly any of those people stayed around. Do you know why? Because '''''THEY GOT TIRED OF PLAYING A BROKEN PIECE OF SHIT GAME WHERE THEIR CHOSEN SIDE WAS DELIBERATELY NERFED AND FUCKED OVER AT EVERY CONCEIVABLE TURN.''''' That is what killed The Dead, you scurrilous prick-hungry cockholster - the fact the game '''sucks'''. We weren't beaten by any survivor group, we never even considered any survivor group to be more than the metaphorical bug on the windshield. Ten thousand zombies, motherfucker, and even with the ridiculously low hit rates, nonexistent RNG and inverse XP curve, we ruined your pathetic little world. If it hadn't been for all the flaws that UD has, driving away almost every single new player we drafted in, we'd have killed every last survivor in the city and turned it into a true zombie apocalypse.<br />
:So fuck you a million times up your gaping, cavernous asshole. I know what I'm talking about, and I know more about what ''you're'' talking about than you could ever hope to. Now sit the fuck down while the grown-ups have their chat, sweetie. We'll get you some crayons and glue, so you can cram them into your snotty orifices until you suffer fatal brain damage. Kiss kiss! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Awww, poor cutie, is it too much if someone disagrees with you? I see you missed the major point, given you're ''so'' proactive and have such a large group of minions, why haven't you rallied them to donate a sum of money so that you can pay Kevan to make the game that you believe is fair? It's a very simple question. Kevan works for money, as proven by Borehamwood and Monroeville, if you want a map with your 'improvements' incorporating then you have to provide the same incentive that two distribution companies already did. Shouldn't be hard, after all you are ''"one proactive motherfucker"''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::There are points on both sides, but Katthew wins for making me laugh more than Is's logic makes sense.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkTurquoise">Big</span>]][[User:Cyberbob240/Classifications|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> Cat</span>]] 08:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, what killed the Dead was all the whining survivors that couldn't handle a "zombie apocalypse" and needed the syringe find rate to be upped to almost 100%. But come on, Katthew, don't be a bitch. Little Issy's Mall Tour had what 300 zombies? Awwwww, that was the same number as the Central horde of the Dead. You know, back when it was winding down and most people wanted to be in the East or West coast Hordes. But, no, I'm sure he knows all about running big bad zombie hordes. I'd really like to know how much money The Dead generated for Kevan with ad revenue and people buying no IP limit. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Feeling left out DCC? Never mind, go create yourself a couple of new accounts to agree with yourself, that'll make you feel better. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Good gum, you're actually still whining. How clear does this have to be? '''Kevan doesn't owe you jackshit'''. It's a browser game that is '''free to play''' and pretty cool if you spend about 5-15 minutes on it. If you want a game that you can put all of your obsessive time into, then go ''buy'' one. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: As for the whole "I donated, so he '''owes''' me", the key is in the name; ''donation''. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Massively pointless question #95==<br />
The "Are you sure?" Messages received when you A) Attempt to buy brain rot, and B) Attempt to jump from a building. Do they count towards your IP hits? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm going to say yes to the first (as it reloads the map screen) and no to the second as it's on the skills screen. The IP hits total is only known to count on the map screen, not on skills, settings or profile screens. Unless Kevan says different. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::oh, and I demand another easter egg hunt. Perhaps with bunnies this time around. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:03, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If he gets a hunt for chocolate eggs I want a button that allows me to nail sanctimonious pricks to trees as it's a much older tradition for this time of year. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:19, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::''Iscariot makes sly comment about organised religion.'' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:08, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: I'd like to see zombies replaced with rabbits for a day. Stronger bite! EAR DAMAGE. Hop for 1AP --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Settling a bet==<br />
While you're here reading this, settle a bet for me, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARapture&diff=1683378&oldid=1683265 do you enjoy all the money that zergers provide you?] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:00, 30 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you're asking whether I give any leniency to players who've donated, when they've done something that would merit a character being disabled - no, I don't. Donation status doesn't factor into any of the alt-abuse or banning scripts. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:01, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::I think the players in question are working off the assumption that them having more characters means more views of the ads connected in the game and that equals more money for you. It wasn't meant to question your impartiality at all, just a question of economics when connected to the game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:35, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::No, this isn't a consideration when banning characters. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:08, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Game updates==<br />
I'm sure things are updated regularly, for maintance, ect.,.... things that wouldn't normally be reflected in the game updates. Just out of curiosity, what is the current status of the "Game Updates" though? I noticed there seems to be a lack of them here latly (not that it's a bad thing, or that I mind), it's just that I was curious as to your thoughts, and opinions on the subject.... -{{User:Poodle_of_doom/signiture}} 04:27, 7 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==April Fools?==<br />
A couple days before April Fools i was surfing the wiki and decided to look it up. The pranks there were hilarious! Especially the 2008/2009 ones. I couldn't wait to see what would come out next. But nothing happened and the wiki said you didn't do anything. Any specific reason? And yes i know Kevan is busy and yes i know we're thankful its a free game i'm just curious --{{User:Gt71/Sig}} 21:52, 27 April 2010<br />
:I was actually halfway through some other updates in late March, and decided against diverting any of that development time for an April Fool's joke. In the end, I didn't have time to put anything live - April's been busy, but I hope to get back to those main updates in the next week or so. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:37, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
::Excellent. Kevan, as you're here, with the perma death cities is it fair to assume all updates are carried over into all three citys? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:22, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Pretty much. If a mechanic would unduly unbalance remaining gameplay in the other cities I'd make them exempt from it, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:29, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hey Kevan==<br />
What's up? How are things in the real world? I haven't been around Urban Dead that often in the past few weeks, but it seems like little has changed... aside from the survivor/zombie ratio being the worst it's been in years, but that's besides the point. <br />
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On that note, would you happen to have an opinion on the "[[Escape]]" gathering in western Malton? <br />
Just thought I'd say hi, --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 07:36, 5 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Open Accounts==<br />
Currently, in Woodborne NT in Owsleybank, there are a few characters with names that make it blindingly obvious that they're open. Their names are [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1012934 mypasswordispassword], [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1743445 mypasswordispenis], and [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1367615 mypasswordishelpme]. Knowing your stance on open or communal accounts, I decided to bring them to your attention. --[[User:Shank Case|Shank Case]] 02:06, 25 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== June 1 ==<br />
It seems appropriate on this date of great expectation (Read that: ESCAPE) to reflect on a simple fact; I have taken many hours of pleasurable distraction from your game. I have enjoyed meeting people from around the world and the various schemes and factions they have created using your game as a springboard for their own creativity. While I live in New England, I have traveled to the other side of the globe and yet-I can honestly say I "know" more people around the world as a result of this little game then in all those thousands of miles of travel. So while I have "contributed" it would seem at least good manners to say thank you for what you have done. I have only been playing for close to a year, and I hear many folks voicing opinions about the "state of the game". I just thought it might be appropriate to suggest that the reason they feel so strongly about it is because it is a flexible well designed system that has added millions of hours of gaming to people worldwide. So, thanks for your efforts and creativity.--[[User:Belisarius17|Belisarius17]] 04:50, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Nudge ==<br />
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That pre April updates taking its time now. The anticipation is killing me. There's some discussion going on about changes to Monroeville. Is it something you would consider, or as it was sponsored by others are your hands tied about what you can do with it? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:57, 26 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:Well UD's 5th birthday is coming up on July 3rd, we can cross our fingers and hope it's the update we've been waiting for. I hope it's another Easter Egg hunt, but with potatoes! -- [[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 07:27, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
::my paper hat is a bit battered. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:49, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Happy Birthday! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:51, 3 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Update me already.... :) -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:32, 9 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Radio Filter ==<br />
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Apparently, the radio filter also affects the military channel (25.96MHz). There any way to disable it on this station? {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 19:46, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:Teehee. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:48, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Muhahahahaha. Is it [[The Mycock Building|Mycock]] ? shits so [[ALiM]]. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::ps wtf is this radio filter and where did it come from? user made or kevan made? etc etc{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:39, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If you broadcast something vulgar, it will replace the word with *static*. It's been this way since the introduction of radios. The problem is that many buildings contain the word cock, and thus can't be broadcast. It's been brought up before, but they didn't mention the EMR channel. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 06:51, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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Epic design flaw fail! If only Kevan didn't have such a dirty mind! --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 11:17, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Offensive in-game names? ==<br />
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Are there any rules re what one can name their character? Are there not ''any'' limits? I recently ran into NIGGERHATER88 (yes, all capitalization - that's a copy/paste) and they're not a new character by any means - really? Really?! --[[User:Swingin' Sam|Swingin&#39; Sam]] 19:00, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you don't like someone, kill them. It shuts them up in real life, why wouldn't it work here? --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 19:07, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:fuck off it's a free game suck it the fuck off or go play wow. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:10, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Just for your information, 88 means HH — the Hitler salute. This guy is definitely a Neo-Nazi.<br />
::If Kevan isn't going to ban him, then killing him is the way to go. Just treat him like a [[Ignore List|text rapist]]. I'm against PKing in general, but such despicable people deserve it.<br />
::And the above poster could benefit from [[Civility]] as well. -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 22:04, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I just love you militant anti-nazi types. You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs ''is fascism itself''. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means ''allowing'' people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:12, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Or more likely, he's simply a troll. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, for the reasons Mis outlined. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:17, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::^ --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 00:18, 21 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::<3 mis. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:48, 22 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Deadline ==<br />
[[Image:Emot-argh.gif|100px]] --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:22, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:{{Quote|Buzz Lightyear|You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.}}<br />
:[[Big Bash 3|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-size: 80%">&hearts;</span>]] [[User:MoonShine|<span style="color:Black">'''Moonie'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:MoonShine|Talk]] | [[User:MoonShine/Testimonials|Testimonials]]</sup></small> 12:51, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::<span title="He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's pro-zombie, as it obviously needs to be.">I disagree. He can take as long as he wants. He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's fair and balanced.</span> --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 20:20, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Two Months later, Kevan responds by implementing [[20070314_Zombie_Rocket_Launchers|Zombie Bazookas]].--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 20:31, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Noes! Still, I don't think working with a deadline is a good idea if your not going to keep it. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:39, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::He must have had a problem coding [[Suggestion:20100616 Binocular Sniping|Binocular Sniping]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:40, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hate\Race based groups ==<br />
What are your views on Urban Dead being used by Hate groups ?<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Combat_18<br />
With the user using imagery in attempt to bring race into the game. Eg: <br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Cornholioo<br />
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I don't this is the actual RL group, just some pathetic little teen with anger issues. But still ? Should we look forward to the arrival of the KKK. Al Queda(?), Black Power, Mongrel Mob and the Care Bears ?<br />
--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 20:36, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Look just two headers above this. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::Why ? - this isn't about offensive names in-game as I email those to Kevan. Its about losers spewing their race\religion hate in the wiki thinking that they have the "right to". Didnt some of pH get banned for the 9\11 phased crap in game ?<br />
:From what I gathered of the YouTube video Cornholioo posted, it does look like Combat 18 is an actual, real life neo-Nazi group. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:15, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::They are. There was an old Louis Theroux doc on them. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:17, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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Shall I make the Red Hand Commando's\Real IRA\Al Qeada pages now then and target any British\US based group ?--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:04, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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{{Quote|Misanthropy|You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs is fascism itself. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means allowing people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose.}}<br />
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::::Jesus its like talking to school children. This isn't real life, this isnt a political arena, people have no politcal rights here. This is a game and what Kevan says gos.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:10, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::Yes it is like talking to school children. In five years has anyone ever been banned for anything other than zerging? No. Not once. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:16, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::This isn't about ingame characters (Also back in 05 I beleive offensive names were also nuked) this is about the wiki policy on HateGroups. The wiki is different to ingame as a user can contact any group or individual in a split second? and post there hate imagery\text on any page. Yet there is no policy only the rustling of paper under the false pretence any user here actually has any rights at all.. --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:29, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::If it's about the wiki then you'll get nowhere, there's not a single sysop corrupt enough to ban users/groups based solely on their beliefs. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:32, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Well obviously thats why I'm posting here as this isn't real life so a users beliefs don't come into it, but what they post on wiki pages. Being non-white I take offense at that and the wiki administartion deosnt appear willing to act --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:44, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::We are not going to act. We're not going to ban groups based on content. [[Columbine Kids]], [[Nazi Party of Malton]], etc, etc, have not been banned, nor will this one. Yes it is offensive to people. So is the insult "faggot" but nothing has ever been done about its usage, nor about a million and one percieved wrongs. All you have to do is simply ignore the one sole user causing your offense, and he's liable to end up getting himself banned anyway, or he'll wander off due to not being given the attention he craves. Asking for the rules to be different for one group of users than for another is just wrong. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:49, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm asking for Kevans opmnion , not yours otherwise I would have posted on your talk page.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:51, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::As much as we'd all love to see less hate here,... you're arguing against one of the wiki janitors,... you know, the guys who take care of this place on Kevan's behalf... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:55, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::Yes I have seen the sterling work you perform on his behalf, however I dont think there is a difference between a) banning a user ouright (Where race hate has no place in a simple game(not real life)) and b)Or saying he id allowed his views but then have wiki administrators trolling the user with a view to entrapping him into a rant, thus leading him to his ban. I would have thought a janitors role was to be impartial and not provoke a user knowing how he will react--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 09:56, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::I agree with some of your sentiments and I understand your concern about some of the ops and their behaviour going against a role model status on the wiki- but situations like this only prove that a sysop- janitor as you say- is exactly that- a regular user with the buttons only given to those entrusted not to misuse it- it's been a long lost fact to this wiki that sysops are still regular users, and should behave as such, which is why using sysop status as a symbol of authority over another user is serious misconduct. Do I give Cornholioo a hard time? For sure, but that's not so I can just go to A/VB and force his banning- I abstain from conflict of interest situations such as his recent banning because I know that following through my pestering actions with bias as a mod is abuse. The ops aren't specifically here to be looked up to, although I still understand where you're coming from and I partially agree that Cornholioo is getting a hard time compared to any other user in terms of sysop bias. I do think it's a shame this perceived bias is being overlooked by the community just because of the user in question. I was surprised the amount of ops who said yes to his permaban, and it's worth noting that the sysops who pester and bait him the most were the ones who voted no to the perma. Typically a perma is only for someone who is literally just trying to break the wiki on a regular basis, not someone who gets baited weekly, and if that was your assessment of the vote I agree with you. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:30, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Invitation==<br />
{{RIAC Invitation}}<br><br />
You know you want to find a group and join.... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:57, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mediawiki Update (2) ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, just to let you know [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Update the Wiki Software (2)|this policy]] requesting a mediawiki has been passed. It asks if you can go up to 1.15.4 but the newest version (which came out while this went voting) is 1.16.0 and if you could find some time to upgrade that would be awesome. =) Thanks from us all. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:25, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Another note that image undeletion is enabled by default on the new software. Enabling image undeletion will increase disk usage (as "deleted" images won't really be deleted, but hidden,) so you might want to consider disabling it and keeping the status quo. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:12, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Virus Advertisement ==<br />
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Um... Kevan, I'm not sure if it's your concern, but one of the advertisements in the UD log-in screen is probably a hacking scam.<br />
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The advertisement, for a game called "Slum City Enforcer" lead to this link http://www.iwon.com/dl/index.jhtml?theme=slumcity2&partner=ZLxdm256&spu=true&sub_id=1579&clickid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000&ce_cid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000<br />
When I clicked on Play Now for the game, it tried to download a trojan, which my anti-virus caught. <br />
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I really hope you can block this bad ad from Urban Dead. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 03:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If I'm not mistaken, the UD site, and wiki, tend to make use of Google Ads,... which help generate profit for the site. That said, there is very little Kevan could probably do about it, aside from removing the ads themselves. That said,... that would be counter productive. I hope Kevan gets back to you though.... He probably knows more about it than what I do. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 04:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:: It is based on google advertisement, I used to get so much stuff for Umbrella's when I was in Umbrella and then UBCS. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 06:00, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::The last time we were hit with malicious ads (The urbandead.org phishing site bought out the wiki sidebar) an administrator contacted the ad agency and had them remove the ads. If you're sure that this is a malicious link, file a report with [http://www.google.com/ads/adwords/ Google Ads]. You've experienced what happened, so you're best suited to explain why this is a bad link.<br />
:::Also, I spammed refresh on one of the screens that displayed ads, and this site never came up. There's a chance it's already been reported and/or expired. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 06:57, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::[http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/iwon.com/summary/ McAfee seem to think it's okay], for a debatable value of "okay", but I've blocked it from my sites on the off-chance. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:34, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: Thank you Kevan! You're awesome. --[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 23:25, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==<s>Early August</s> Mid August.==<br />
That is all. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:30, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:The more you bug him, the more he'll put it off!!! You're tiring him! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:32, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::It takes 5AP to read his talk page, and a game update is like a 500AP suicide repair.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:33, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Brilliant man.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:45, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Pretty sure I just fucking jizzed -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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/thread -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Because I can't think of another place to put it ==<br />
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I am formally lodging a complaint that this game, the city of malton and this wiki, have a decidedly and unfair British/English/insert other term Bias in terms of names, time, spelling, ect.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:19, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If the fact that Kevan, the servers, and the town Malton are all based in england, counts as "unfair", then I guess you're right!!! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 01:22, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I have other ''Complaints'' as well but they are trivial or realistic mostly. And yes that is the exact problem, we should remedy this somehow.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:24, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::By buying Kevan new servers and a new house? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:25, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::: Nonsense we will just begin housing them with you Mis. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:27, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::We could house him in say, Australia.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:28, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::I dunno I like the idea of moving him to Ireland with me. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:30, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::: I don't know Mikalos has a point, lets send him and the servers to Australia, then when Grim throws his next coup he literally can just walk away with the hardware :D --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:34, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::Grim lives in Australia?--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:37, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::: [[User:DanceDanceRevolution/sandpit/quotepit#grim|This seems relevant]] --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:39, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Just as I learn this, I read that the current PM of Australia has suggested that, after the Queen dies, Australia should change into a republic. That might complicate things such as moving for unknown reasons.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:43, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::So grim is trying to enact a coup on all Australia. Wow. Good effort. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:25, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::So the problem still exists, Im afraid if this problem is not rectified soon, i will have to start a demonstration against this unfair and obvious pro-English bias. And furthermore, why is the entire encyclopedia, besides certain pages, in English and not zombie languages? While the English language bias?--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 02:49, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::Grim is Julia Gillard.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 19:43, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Malton is in South Africa and/or Hell. /thread. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 05:59, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:I would like to lodge a complaint that Kevan has not hand delivered crumpets to me. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:41, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I have a complaint about the city organization... to the effect that the city is a perfect square... which is awkward; followed by the lack of a obvious pre-outbreak structure from while the city was operated from; followed by a lack of any buildings for the leadership and organization of the numerous civil service operations. I Herby make a official complaint of poor construction and city planning. --[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 23:53, 19 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::The city isn't square. We're just in the quarantined portion of a much larger city. The quarantined portion is square. Also, what of all the fire stations, police departments, and the like? And those named buildings aren't just for big business, I'm guessing. I'm willing to bet that quite a few of them housed government and civil operations of varying sorts. Everything seems in order to me (well, aside from the zombies, of course). {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:32, 20 August 2010 (BST)the suburbs are very squarish then >.> because they cant be just simple quarantine inventions. and yet the way the city if ordered, it seems likely there would be a governmental structure in the confines of quarantine malton.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 00:35, 20 August 2010 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=1762048User talk:Kevan2010-08-19T22:53:49Z<p>Mikalos209: /* Because I can't think of another place to put it */</p>
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==Three Minutes...==<br />
...Since anyone last commented you on here. Very upsetting. How's everything going with the game? Is everything good?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:What are you talking about? Scroll down to the bottom, haha. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:42, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:You're a funny one. Also, the page's confusing because Kevan doesn't state to put new stuff at the bottom or top, unfortunately, so people go with wherever their own preference is. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:59, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::I tend to look for a trend. Unfortunately, it turns out that the trend i followed only applied for the two posts i read.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 20:06, 13 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville Badges==<br />
Just so you know there are survivors (although very few) that are still roaming around in Monroeville. It would be nice if you could give some kind of emblematic badge of appreciation for the few that made it this far. I hope thats not asking too much, but for staying alive this long its quiet a feat to accomplish and deserves some kind of reward.<br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 02:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Monroeville Airlift==<br />
Hi Kevan,<br />
I am one of the few remaining survivors in Monroeville. With the Christmas update being implemented, I was curious to know if I set up a Christmas tree and some lights in a building for a few days, would a Helicopter come by and take my character to Malton? I don't want to do something in vain that could end up killing my character that has survived for ten months... <br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 06:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:hey Evildiehard, i'm The Last Unlucky Guy, we were in harvey's group together, i like that idea, can i get in on it too? Getting my character out of Monroeville would be great, i've grown too attached to him and if i got killed, especially after going solo, and survivng for this time, it would really suck :( --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==clothing suggestions==<br />
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Hi, long time no see. I've got another question about clothing. I see that you haven't implemented any new clothing for almost a year and the pages in question are receiving little to no traffic. Are you still in need of new Clothing ideas [[Clothes/Suggestions|Suggestions]] or can I close the page and move everything into their relevant archives?--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Will donate for awesome clothing ==<br />
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Basically, I was just wondering that if I donated $50AU or something, that maybe you might code in some blood-proof clothing, just for moi? I mean, it's a decent chunk of funds as all... --{{User:Medico/sig}} 01:30, 26 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Broken Wiki page ==<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1271116&oldid=1270525<br />
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The page I want is the last edit that I made for if, and I have no idea what went wrong. Someone directed me here... --<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span></font><sup> [[User_talk:Haliman111|T]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 00:44, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Iwitness typo==<br />
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Got really bored, and noticed there was a typo.<br />
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"What does it mean if a record is PUBLIC or PRIVATE?<br />
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Public records are just that- anybody can (if they take the time to look) find them and look at the information they contain. Private records are hidden in directories whose contents are not open to the public view, and the random number string appended to the end of the file name makes it impossible for anybody to find them through luck or accident. "Private" records are in fact so hard to locate that if you don't record their location, '''you'll never them again'''. That's OK when you just want to share a quick secret with some friends in a private chat room or secure forum, though- just copy the link and paste it somewhere you and you friends can find it, but others will not see it!<br />
User accounts do provide a way to retrieve all of the private records a user creates while logged into that account, so while still quite private, they are not going to vanish. User accounts also potentially allow for other levels of security; all of these are essentially private records that only certain people can see, or which do not display all of the details of the record in order to protect the privacy and safety of "innocent bystanders". <br />
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http://www.urbandead.info/iwitness/iwitness_FAQ.php#security<br />
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--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup></font> 15:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Check your talk page, {{usr|Haliman111}}. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:36, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Suicide Repair ==<br />
Most of the time it isn't easy to let a building reach the higher levels of decay and takes the effort of multiply zombie players. Lately as more buildings reach higher level of decay we see a raise in suicide repairs. Where survivors just spent all their AP and more to repair a long time ruined building and prepare to get eaten and revived. If suicide repairing was not what you where going for with the implemention of decay, please consider changes like: <br />
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a)Make it impossible to spent more AP on repairing than are left to this character, and probably setting a cap at 45AP as a maximum for decay. <br />
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or b)Repair only removes some part of the decay level and not all at once. Probably like tearing down barricades.<br />
--[[User:Experiment211|Experiment211]] 21:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I second option B. Option A could be exploited by people who wait until they have 2 or 3 AP left before running in to repair for 1 or 2 AP. B makes a lot of sense, I think. --[[User:Drugsanimudongs|Drugsanimudongs]] 17:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Errr... I read your suggestion wrong, Experiment211. Ignore my exploit theory! I still support B, though.<br />
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== Database error on the wiki ==<br />
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I have been getting the following message after making edits: <br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry '20534' for key 1 (localhost)".<br />
Retrieved from "http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category_talk:Historical_Groups"<br />
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The edits seem to be working, however. This bug just took place twice on the Historical Groups Talk/Voting page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:13, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I just got one on the same page. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ditto. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:06, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Happened to me too today.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:57, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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Is also appearing when searching brain rot in the Suggestions and Talk Suggestions namespaces.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Erg. I've had some server trouble lately, I'll take a look at it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:21, 27 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yesterday it was still doing this... It's rare as of late, it seems-- it was happening with almost every edit for a bit there -- but it *did* happen yesterday again.... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
:::Just hit the same after searching for brain in images. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:21, 3 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I've repaired the database, it should be okay now. Let me know if any error messages still creep through, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==A Little Idea for Group Affiliations==<br />
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I've had an idea and would like to submit it for your consideration. Would it be possible to add in the option of a URL link added to a player's group affiliation, a la the current system with the 'Real Name' links? This would be very useful for players looking to join a group and for groups looking to recruit players, especially zombie groups who lack the ability to spray-paint places without death-culting. Whilst the RN link is used by some, myself included, for recruitment, more likely than not the majority will simply not bother clicking it after the first few times they have done that on a profile have taken them to YouTube songs or Rick-rolls. A link under the group affiliation would draw more desirable attention. <br />
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There are two ways in which I could see this working: The first is to have the group affiliation act in the same way as the Real Life link, with the player choosing the URL; the second would be to have the GA act as the list of confirmed groups on the stats page does: An automatic link to the wiki page of said confirmed group. My personal belief is that the latter would be the superior option, so as to avoid abuse via unsavoury links which would undermine trust in the system (this is of course going under the assumption that you have a system which makes the links appear automatically on the stats page, rather than having to add them all in yourself of course).<br />
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Just my thought for the early morning. <br />
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Regards. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 04:37, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Please make your suggestions here: [[:Category:Current Suggestions]]. Seriously Moloch, you have been around long enough to know how suggestions are handled. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:40, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::FWIW, my personal version of 'ActOnProfile' already modifies the group name to be a link to the wiki page for that group. Its pretty handy, even if just to find out the group has no page. A fancier GM script could easily determine if the page actually exists, and not make it a link if it doesn't, which would be nice. Server side code could likely do the same thing better. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:02, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Copyright question ==<br />
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after playing Urban dead I had an idea making it into a warcraft 3 map and before I release 1: may I release a map made by maps and the same idea of urban dead and with its name/s 2: are there any requires you want? for example I could advertise for the site every 5 mins(I can have the map do that for me)I have all ready given credit to Urban dead and if you want I can give direct credit to you also<small>—The preceding {{wikipedia|Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages|unsigned}} comment was added by [[User:Undeadpope|Undeadpope]] ([[User talk:Undeadpope|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Undeadpope|contribs]]) 23:42, 6 August 2008.</small><br />
:l2english.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:34, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:If it's clearly presented as an unofficial fan project, and isn't making any money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:51, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==IP hits and construction==<br />
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If I repair a badly damaged building (15ap etc.) Is that one IP hit or 15? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:32, 9 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'd be one. it's a measure of how many times you refresh the map page not ap. The only exception (as far as i'm aware) is syringe manufacture which is 20.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I thought i was getting more than my regular action. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:32, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Is that confirmed or just a guess?--<span style="cursor:crosshair">Kooks</span> 22:50, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::It's certainly incorrect. I repaired a building costing 134ap and still had more than enough IP hits to play my other characters.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville and headshot==<br />
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All the high level survivors I know (about 30) have been holding out for the return of perma-death headshot with the quarantine. I see the quarantine is back, but everything still says that headshot is not permanent. Is this the case? If you're not bringing it back then you might as well close down the server or at least tell us officially. Because as currently constituted only one side can win, and though we could probably prolong things indefinitely I fail to see the point.<br />
--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 03:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:I couldn't agree more with this post. Staying alive as a member of an organized group in Monroeville is possible but it takes a large amount of coordination and effort. I fail to see the "game" part of current Monroeville on the survivor side, something permanent headshot would bring to the table. If balance is an issue, I'm sure the zombie side would love to have non-curable Infectious Bite. --[[User:Calem|Calem]] 10:09, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::The evidence of the most recent opening of Monroeville suggests that it takes about 6 weeks for the city to go from totally survivor-dominated to totally destroyed with the survivors on the run and hiding in the wreckage. Therefore, it seems to me that the most fun and interesting way to do it would be to run Monroeville in cycles. Every five to six weeks or so switch the rules to give one side or the other the advantage. So, having now had an extened Zombie Friendly period of time, you allow the Survivors to have their turn for a month and a half with closed borders and "permanent" (until the next cycle) headshot. Then re-open it to new admissions with the usual "Zombies stand back up" rules for a month and a half, then close it again and so on and so forth. That way, both sides always have something to look forward to and there's always something to plan for. Frankly, this solution still favors the Zombies somewhat in that a dead Survivor still never gets a chance to come back to life, but its significantly more fair than the current situation where Survivors can never repair a building for more than a couple of days before getting buried under a tide of zombies. While that may accurately reflect the desperate conditions of the later Dead movies and some of the supporting fiction, its not much fun to be a Survivor under these circumstances, and this is a game. --[[User:jng2058|jng2058]] 12:54, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Agreed. Right now Monroeville is only a game of attrition with an inevitable (tedious) end. Maybe that's in keeping with Romero's cannon, but it puts survivors in an unwinnable position and leaves the zombies without enough challenge to stave off boredom. If the game's going to be left open, then since zombies are in the advantage right now (by 4:1) why not restore headshot and see what happens? [[User:CoopVancer|CoopVancer]] 21:34, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Actually Coop- if you think about it- zombie take over isn't necessary canon in the zombie/post-apoc genre nor Romero canon, but merely an outcome of the core theme. What destroys the humans isn't the zombies, which are fairly weak, but their failure to overcome their individual self interest and cooperate. Restoring headshot would work now consistent with the canon. Headshot is something survivors learn with experience. At present, most of the survivors, don't have the XP to have headshot. <br />
::::: So I guess this is down to a test of wills then? Of humanity? How long can humans survive before break down, succumb to anarchy, or make a mistake and get eaten? '''We will not.''' Survivors will not descend into madness. We will survive under these horrible conditions! '''We will be ever vigilant!''' ''(until an emergency comes up in real life, then we're pretty much zombie-food)'' [[User:Bystander|Bystander]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Bystander, I recommend the buddy system. Give someone in your group your PW so they can move you in an emergency.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 00:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your reading is correct that perma-headshot isn't returning.--[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Will there be any type of reward for x number of survivors remaining? ==<br />
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I'm just going to say the only reason to ask this is because what the point of trying to survive if the hoard of zombies will eventually take over all? All i want to know is there anything that actually would give hope to the survivors?<br />
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:Yeah, it would be nice if the last 100 survivors were transported to Malton with text like "NAME survived the second Monroeville quarantine." or "NAME was one of the last 100 to die in Monroeville." on their profile page. --[[User:BetterLuck|BetterLuck]] 23:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::I hope something happens that's good at least for survivors, now they outnumber us way too much now--[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 15:44, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Monroeville Characters ==<br />
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I was just wondering if you had any plans for allowing players to have their Monroeville character's account moved to Malton. I just want to know because I happen to really like my MV character from an RP perspective and would like to play as him in a city that isn't completely ruined and dead... or at least use his name for a character in Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 03:08, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:No - you can transfer donation flags, but not characters. If you want to roleplay the same character in Malton, just create a new account with a slightly different name. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
How do you transfer donation flags from a Monroeville character to a Malton one? Thanks. --[[User:Alias81|Alias81]] 13:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just go to your "settings" page and enter a name. I've now added this to the [http://urbandead.com/faq.html#monroedonate FAQ]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Don't fucking jimmy me, jules. ==<br />
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I swear that 84 minutes almost pushed me over the brink...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:34, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, it looks like the wiki backups are pushing the server over the brink as well, from sheer weight of data, to the point of actually overheating the machine. I'm going to have to do another archive-history purge, as it's been a long time since the last one. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::NOOOOOO! Not the memories! Take anything but the memories! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:30, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::What about all teh lulz?!?!?!?!? Jed! ACTIVATE LULZ PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. CODE RED!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:44, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::OMG DID YOU SAY <big><big><big><big><font color="red">CODE RED?!?!?!?!</font></big></big></big></big>--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Good man. You'll do me proud yet. btw Kevan we just bought UD shirts so hopefully that means you don't have to go ahead with this "purging" business...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:48, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yeah i've thrown my best days into UD and my best money too. The least you could do is buy more server space so that a purge need never happen again. What if we need to check back over to see who made an edit? Or find long lost lulz? I mean [[2 Cool]] have a variety of quality projects using that space. [[ALiM]], [[ELiM]], [[Great Fire of 1912]], [[Sir Dick Longman]], [[Suburb Nicknames]], [[Colloquialisms]] and [[Malton Girl on Girl Parade]] all spring to mind. Of course there are many many more worthy pages created in the name of [[Kevanism|Kevan]], this is just a tasty sampling.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:53, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Stop blatantly spamming your endless vomit pile of useless wiki projects.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 11:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Quality projects using the ''page history'' space? If there's something good in there that's been deleted for wiki policy reasons, can't you host it somewhere else where people will actually find it? --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well if there is that's what we'll do. By the way - whilst I'm here, can I get your thoughts on [[ALiM|this page]]. Totally just out of interest and not fishing for an endorsement to stick in the first sentence of the article... And did you purposely give some of the locations amusing names or was it all the result of some cosmic event?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:22, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Also thanks for the recognition that they are in fact quality. And yes page history contains lols and should be kept for this reason. For example [[User:J3D/lol@finis|this particular work]] would never have been possible if page histories weren't kept. [[Save Page Histories]], i think i smell a 2C wikiproject coming on...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:32, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Ah that smell. I know her well.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Just wondering if there's a time-frame for this, there's an administrative Archive of Two we need to finish up before it happens, shouldn't take more than a few hours each.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Turns out that it might just be the A/VB talk archives.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::What in the name of all things holy is an archive history purge? Do i need to be in the brace position? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Look at the contribs of an older member, like myself. Ive ben around and posting since october 2005. you will see pretty much nothingb that old. A history purge is just that, a deletion of all revisions older than a certain age from the database. Its one of the reasons we make archive pages. Histories can get seriously huge, especially on larger, more active pages. For examples of the biggest, try A/VB and Talk:Suggestions --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 18:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Cheers Grimbo. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:06, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Couldn't Kev just get rid of the bigs one then? Talk suggestions is a particularly useless page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:08, 22 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'll be some time during September, and it'll be clearing out to a specific date (probably everything over a year old). If you need me to hold off while some admin archives are made, let me know. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I believe we finally got them all done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:17, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Maybe we do need to lose some of our precious memories...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Is barricading affected in dark buildings? ==<br />
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Would you be able to resolve [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Dark#barricading_success_is_also_affected_by_dark this question], please? (i.e. is there an effect in dark buildings on barricading success?) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:05, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:As Midi said, you should try doing your own research on this inquiry first. It seems like you haven't even checked by yourself. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 14:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's based on chance - sorta hard to get solid evidence when it could just be called "bad luck". Sometimes you have to go to the source to find out if you're just having a shitty day or if it's some game mechanic that's actually stopping you from hitting all those zeds at the local RP... I mean... er...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 14:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aeon, I ''did'' "check for myself"... As in. I've experienced it numerous times in-game... Then I went to Brainstock, asked around for a second opinion, and got one... But that wasn't good enough for you people... So I decided to ask Kevan, himself -- especially since Nallan kind of has a point, and since it's not easy to find the conditions to conduct the experiment... In any event, I managed to find a place to try it: I posted the results on the Darkness talk page. However, a quick word, yea or nay, from the designer really would be appreciated... Now... none of this "discussion" was necessary, not here, stop spamming this page, sheeesh. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:14, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You typed more than the first three comments combined. And you complain about spamming? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:31, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, there is an effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== theres 98 survivors in monroeville what now? ==<br />
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what is going to happen now? is there anything left for the survivors other than to just run or make a last stand? is there anything for staying alive till the end. --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Stay alive I guess. --[[User:Federationtrooper|Federationtrooper]] 22:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:umm the count jumped UP TO 100, what just happened? --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 03:50, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::And it's 101 now. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 05:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Idled characters standing up, most likely. Hellooooo. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:11, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Yes, idlers. So, will all characters be deleted completely? Should we make a last stand? What will happen to the accounts? Will there be permaneny links to the diaries, that can still be obtained after the accounts are deleted? Knowing the basic plan will help us figure out what we should be doing.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::If I recall correctly, at some point the game will be shut down. I mean ''shut down''. At which point Kevan has said that any donations on MV alts will be transferable to Malton. He has hinted that he might allow MV alts to be moved to Malton once it's shut right down -- although I haven't noticed anything like this in a while, maybe he's changed his mind? I dunno... My advice, personally is to wait and see... Possibly Kevan doesn't even know yet how he'll wrap it up. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::I'm [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Kevan#Monroeville_Characters pretty sure] that MV characters won't be transferable to Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 01:49, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Okay, but what will happen to the actual accounts though? What would happen if I tried to login with it after the map ends? Will the diary be preserved?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:59, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Aren't they (donation tags) already transferable? i'm pretty sure they should be. --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Donations are transferrable, and accounts aren't - it was always going to be one or the other, and donations seemed more appropriate. Profiles and diaries will be kept in perpetuity. And given how little difference there is between shutting the city down entirely and leaving it open for zombies to mill aimlessly around in, I might just leave it open. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fair enough? Any chance of us active zeds getting another tag in our profiles? Ive noticed those survivors still active have got one. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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For what? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 19:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like this [[http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1147825]], one like ''blah was an active zombie one month into the 2nd quarantine. '' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Again, I ask, "For what?" For staying active? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 23:35, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Sorry. yep.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::You knew when you signed up that it was not going to be a permanent map. And you knew the basic rules of the game, as well. You ''knew''... Now, deal with it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== FAQs addition? ==<br />
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I don't know why you haven't gotten around to it, but here you can even find a pretyped one to add. It's a quick, simple addition...<br />
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http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Add_encumbrance_section_to_the_FAQs<br />
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Also, I'm not trying to bother you, but could you check the bugs page and try to deal with some of those issues? I noticed my moved-outside reports already in the known bugs section, and that sounds like a creepy one that's been happening to a number of people. I also see a number of other bugs commonly happening, with no hint of what's going on. Thanks.<br />
--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Once again...[[PR_UI:_Sub_Pages#Tips_about_encumbrance|dupe]]. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:28, 30 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::That's why I wondered why he hasn't gottena round to it yet. It's been around a while, and it seems pretty needed.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:04, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Enough is enough ==<br />
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I know you don't want to deal with this kind of stuff... yeah yeah yeah... But please just ''look'' at [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.180 this post]. Just quickly... <br />
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Enough is enough, already. '''Please''' ban open proxies from accessing Urban Dead, because this is just too common -- and if anything is going to kill this game and the community it's zerging. There is a massive level of frustration over zerging, though honestly it's not brought up because people are fatalistic, figuring you're not going to do anything about it. But there are people willing and able to assist with the coding, with helping to set this up, you just need to say "Yes" to getting the ball rolling. Please consider it, consider ''something''... Because it's a serious problem ((that is, the use of proxies). And, unfortunately -- unless there is something huge we are all missing -- it's a problem that your abuse detection algorithms just can't deal with... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just to add... This guy in the post I linked to likely had his alts banned, and just kept making more and more to replace them... which, if true, shows that algorithm works against ''"normal" multi-abusers.'' But when you're dealing with proxies, you can completely circumvent those algorithms. And that's the problem... Active players usually encounter at least a couple ''obvious'' "zerg teams" every week... And a lot more less obvious but suspicious ones... It's very frustrating for those who try to play "by the book"... And while we generally just "shrug and bear it", still... I'm not going to bother you with this anymore now, but I really felt it was high time to bring this your attention, and to speak out for the many people who are so frustrated by the prevalence of zerging in Urban Dead. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:17, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm going to take the liberty of seconding the above on behalf of both the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]] and [[Columbine Kids]], two fair-playing teams that I lead who encounter zerg teams weekly. Whether something comes of this or not, I just want to add our voices. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 18:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ha. The only topic on the page not address by Kev on Sept 3. Come on man an least a reply saying you cbf would be nice...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:03, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Sure, I'll take a look at any ideas or technologies people have got. I'm not aware of any silver bullets that don't also turn up false-positives for people on weird ISPs or who have a misleadingly-configured home network, but would be happy to be proven wrong. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:29, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Interesting Tangent: Speaking of silver bullets, i recently found out that all that stuff from days yonder referring to silver bullets and there use in banishing monsters is actually ambiguous as to if it's talking about actual silver, or mercury (which was known as quicksilver at the time). so yeah, you may in fact be unaware of any mercury bullets. Just keep that in mind when banishing foes.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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There was a discussion on Beerhah.com about this... Where some people were attempting to seriously address the issue and then come to you with some solutions. Sadly, interest seemed to wane once Finis Valorum apparently left the game... However, I am going to copy what was probably the most relevant and hopefully most useful post in that discussion. As you'll see, the solution was not an algorithm and/or set of "suspicious" IPs, etc. -- which I gather was you were talking about above? Rather, the main idea it was using a list of known proxies and simply banning them. I actually think the wiki sysops have a pretty long list of banned proxies, for a start perhaps that could be used... <br />
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And, no solution is going to perfect. There will ''always'' be holes, always ways around whatever measures you impliment. As the post I'll copy discusses. That, I think, is pretty well understood. However, the point is to make it as difficult as possible for people to cheat. Open proxies are just ''too easy'' to find and use... Now, I don't know if paying for a proxy list is going to be effective, or a waste of money, considering how much these things change, apparently -- that's something someone with the right knowledge would have to decide. Anyway, I'm place the text of the post on [[User talk:WanYao| my Talk page]] for you to look at. Thanks for your time. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:21, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Sadly, we've got no follow up response yet... Kevan, are you listening? Just as another case in point, look at this... yeah I ''know'' what you say... But just look... I think you need to... I don't want to be a "bitch" about this... But I am really, really hoping we can find some way to address the zerging issue, and this requires a dialogue with you... <br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_7-1__644-f97-77b.html<br />
http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_8-1__0c7-19c-2b9.html<br />
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LOLz at my insane typos notwithstanding (i meant "flayed alive") .... This is sadly typical... We see this stuff all the time: here, 4 alts, at least, 2 each in adjacent buildings, from someone with a whole slew of "mithra" alts, many more than these 4, many of them previously spotted together -- this guy is familiar to us... We've presented some ideas for dealing with zergs like this, there is a discussion on the [[AZM]] Talk page... Will you work on this? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:08, 12 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Kevan, please do this: community appointed UD moderators. These trusted moderators will ban obvious zerging reported by players. To investigate zerging only basic information is needed: history of when the zergs all logged in, and how long they've been around each other. 95% of zergers are stupid and lazy and will be caught this way. No permanent bans, just temporary ones. Enough to make the zergers life difficult. --[[User:Rupert|Rupert]] 19:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:COMMUNITY appointed? You're joking, right? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 21:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'm kind of new, so forgive me if this is stupid... Am I correct in assuming that a lot of these zerg characters are level 1, or to a lesser degree level 2 that seldom level up or even gain XP but are used as scouts. If that's the case then I would think that any ''real'' account is going to gain XP and level up within reasonable time periods. If that's the case then would purging level 1 & 2 characters that don't level in say a month get rid of a lot of zergs? Or is there a legitimate reason for accounts within these parameters? --[[User:Mvario|mvario]] 01:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Most zergs (despite the name) do infact end up leveling up, check out all the [[GTFO]] zergs for an example. The one's that do stay at lvl 1 and 2 are throw aways that won't be used again anyway, so deleting them wouldn't have any effect except to free up the account name to be used by another player. And that is something Kevan has said he doesn't want as it would cause confusion. Also lol @ my post up there ^ from Sept 5.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Last Major Change to this page? ==<br />
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When was the last major change to this page made, the one where months pf posts were cleared off and the number of topics reset to 0 (I assume 0)?. What about the Suggestions Development Page, where the Overflow section used to be? I'm trying to find certain old stuff, and I need to know those important dates to do so...thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:07, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=prev&oldid=1241305]]This? You can chust check yourself by looking in the history tab at the top of each page. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:27, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:That link's no good.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::There was a history purge so links to old edits don't work. However purges aside he's right, if you need to find an old version of the page use the history tab at the top.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::When was the last purge anyhow? That would really help. Those do make thinsg confusing...looking for old stuff that's gone...--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 19:17, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Dear Kevan: ==<br />
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<span style="color: #800000; font-family: Times"><center>You may try to tear down our barricades, devour our friends and allies, destroy our home... But we ''will'' prevail. Your efforts will be met with the stalwart defense that Barrville has maintained for these three years, and with our community at our sides, you must eventually accept defeat. You will go down, Kevan... and we'll put you there. And we'll do it oldschool; With our fists, With our boots, with lead pipes...<BR>And yes, with Axes. We shall not be put down.<BR>'''We Are AXES HIGH'''<br />
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E Cinerebus, Gloriam --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 16:13, 5 September 2008 (BST)</center></span><br />
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:'''''HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!''''' [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Okay, I actually thought it was quite the honour to be eaten by Kevan... but none the less worthy of an overtly trenchy and overdramatic comment. - --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 20:46, 23 September 2008 (BST)<br />
==Database errors==<br />
We are getting some infrequent, but still painfully annoying database errors. Last night when i was trying to edit [[A/VD]] i couldnt because of them, and we lost two current revisions on a page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASpacer_one%2FAthair_bas&diff=1270526&oldid=1270400 here] to them as well. Can you please take a look and find out whats going on? --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 21:51, 10 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Noted. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:43, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like we lost a handful of page revisions during the history purge; I'll look at restoring them this afternoon. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:08, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Okay, fixed, the handful of pages that were affected are stable now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==About the proxy issues...==<br />
this site: http://www.gmodtop100.com/ had a similar iddue which involved everyone giving themselves votes using proxyies from proxy.org Recently the website restted all the lists and when I tried to give hits to my gmod clan, I discovered that by some sort of meckanism they had managed to block proxies from being able to vote. I know they hadn't simply banned them because even my top secret proxy was blocked and I had never used it to access the website before. Maybe if you could get in contact with this "Pulsar effect" guy we could finally end this. [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It's really not as simple as some people seem to think. Web-based CGI or PHP proxies, or even SOCKS/HTTP proxies, are merely the tip of the iceberg – anyone with any decent technical expertise or friends with same can bypass any proxy list you care to come up with. Sure, it might be helpful, but it won't be a silver bullet, as Kevan alluded to above. Either way, we'll need to continue with [[ZHU|community-based]] [[GTFO|solutions]], as well as any additional technological measures that may be implemented. And remember... {{cquote||It may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma... which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve.''|Edgar Allen Poe}}{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And...{{cquote||Some things are not problems to be solved, they are facts to be coped with.''|Anonymous}} --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:23, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Future history wipes==<br />
Would it be possible leave a few more months worth of page histories next time a wipe is done? It's making it very hard to evaluate and track deletion requests, vandal histories and the like when histories just weeks old are missing, making it especially difficult to determine who should have "ownership rights" of group pages. Loosing histories will always be a problem, but the problem can be lessened significantly if you could keep it to older edits <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:56 20 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Or a portion of the oldest edits on a page(like the first 5 if possible).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And maybe a backup for the suburb danger status, using that sql code i sent you last time... heh... too bad i only found out about this wipe weeks after it occured, or i would have asked you to make the backup before the wipe. Bugger. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 03:14, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== I'm wishing for headshot.... ==<br />
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maybe for those left in monroeville should have something, like headshot, cause look at whats left... [[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:53, 4 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:The problem with that is to use headshot, you need to interact with zombies. A lot of the zeds left metagame, and all you'd do is draw others to your location. So yes. Bring it back. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I agree, running from zeds is getting old. I imagine they must be pretty bored as well. If not perma-death, how about headshot drops AP to zero. Otherwise we'll continue this war of attrition. Also shouldn't we get new badges? It would be cool if we had an incentive to keep playing besides making the zeds look impotent.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== ALiM's Birthday Party ==<br />
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You've been cordially invited to attend ALiM's birthday party at [[Club Head]] at 10am GMT on the 18th of October. Festivities will last for a full 24 hours. See [[Talk:Amusing_Locations_in_Malton#ALiM_PARTY.21.21.21|here]] for more details, oh divine master.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 02:15, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Misconduct ==<br />
I figure you are already aware of whats going on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#User:Grim_s| Here] but figured you should be formally informed. The final decision of the community has not been reached, but the general consensus will at the very least include the Bureaucrat status being removed from Grim. More may or not follow depending upon deliberations. Thank You. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:25, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:You have provided no evidence of misconduct. This is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:18, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Grim pipe down, everyone knows what you think and we also happen to know what Conn thinks. I can appreciate you're pissed off but can you not write the same boring ass one line all over the place, at least i nice tl;dr wall for old times sake ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:33, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Its not a boring arse line. Its a simple fact. All accusations of abusing the status of sysop as abadge of authority to force ones wishes on the community '''must''' come with '''clear evidence''' over a '''substancial period of time'''. So far no such evidence has been presented, and all my requests that it be have been soundly ignored by all concerned. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:36, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Conveniently all such evidence was wiped by Kev yestermonth, so i guess it falls down to your word against his/theirs. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Evidence already posted would still be present, easily visible to all who try a basic search. In any case, as [[user:Revenant]] has said, this is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Court Kangaroo Court], nothing more nothing less. My defense, which is logically sound, has been ignored, except where people have cherry picked points to troll. Saddam Hussein got a fairer trial than i am. In any case, without evidence, you cannot convict. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:40, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug*, shouldn't have declined my sysopship... ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::You were unfit for the job, and your subsequent tantrum proved as much to even the most jaded of eyes. My job isnt to make friends, or to be popular, or to do what people want, its to do what the rules and guidelines of this wiki state is correct, and to make the best decisions for the wiki in places where the guidelines do not cover. I am the only person to have ever lived up to that responsibility. No one else has, though karek comes damned close. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:47, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::oh come on, it was a joke! I thought even in your current state you should have picked it up. Feel free to slur away, hope it makes you feel better, xoxo. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:51, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Im sorry, but one seldom finds entertainment when one is the victim of such obvious and gross injustice where one cannot do anything about it. I apologise. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::apology accepted, we shall see how it plays out...now, to leave kevan's talk page so he doesn't get pissed off and cancel my accounts!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, this page was already on my watchlist. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:37, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::You gonna have a vote? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Contrary to Conndraka's first post, this is not a community decision at all. It is in fact a decision made by a small group of sysops. I trust the subtle difference and obvious deceit on Conndraka's part is not lost on you. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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There being no official method or process of notification...[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Final_Ruling| Here] is the result. Note the community "petition" that is also currently attached to the position. There being no "Policy" in this manner, the impeachment of a sysop by the community is a nebulous proposal at best. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:00, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:So that was you that thought that it would be a good idea to try to drive someone to vandalism as a last resort at neutrality? If it wasn't whoever added that petition should themselves be vandal escalated for misusing an administrative page to further a personal fight. Precedent matters.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:13, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Just for the record it was me who added the "petition" it was not intended to be used as evidence against Grim it and i thought it was pretty clear that I was asking for the communities opinion on wether Grim should face a vote. more than 1 person thought not.... apparently my intention was not clear enough and it turned into a petition while i was off-line. Should Grim have lost his Crat status? Probably... should he have lost it for the misconduct case? Absolutely not!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Bug, "zerg flag", or what? ==<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=951980 This alt] has recently tried searching for FAKs in a powered Mall with *no* success. 'Tis far more than bad luck... All other actions seem to working just fine, and I really can't see how a zerg flag could have been activated, even accidentally. Is this a bug, some unannounced change, or has a zerg flag somehow been activated? Anyone else had anything similar happen? But if it is a bug, then I'll report it normally... Thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:09, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unannounced change, although you shouldn't be getting ''zero'' success. If it keeps up, report it as a bug and we'll get some more data on it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Can you post these things as news? not only are we in a news drought, but it'll send the mall rats scurrying to the TRPs...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:25, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::It seems a bit cheap to announce search tweaks as fully-fledged "game updates". There are some proper updates on the way. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Perhaps, but it makes a difference. And considering it was suggested through the wiki suggestion system it'd a tip of the hat to the crowd over there (regardless of whether or not you actually saw that ;) ), i look forward to new updates :D something pro zombie perhaps? Things have quietened down in Malty as of late...btw kudos on the ruin update, she added a whole new dimension to the game.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Oh good. I thought this was just me. I have been getting reduced search rates EVERYwhere. (Hospitals, Malls, NT buildings.) Quite a few days I've spend 18~23 AP in these buildings over a period of about 10~12 minutes and have found nothing at all. Recently I've used a mall-searcher and spent 20 AP in Caiger NW and have found nothing in any store. It woulda been nice to see this as an official update. [[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 14:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yay! Updates are ace. :D -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:47, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Yes, please announce it or something. I was sad to find just 2 FAKs with 20 APs in a lightened mall with bargain hunting. Its just very less. First i thougt, it was bad luck, but others said the same too. Maybe a small view, what has been changed would be nice. --[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 17:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::'''My search-statistics:'''<br />
:::::::'''Where:''' lightened Mall, searched in the Drugstore<br />
:::::::'''Skill:''' Shopping+Bargain Hunting<br />
:::::::'''APs:''' 38 / 47<br />
:::::::'''Found nothing:''' 30 / 36<br />
:::::::'''Found a FAK:''' 8 / 11<br />
:::::::'''Rate:''' 21,06% / 23,4%<br />
:::::::--[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 18:18, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Assuming there are no more break-ins at my safehouse, I'll post some data tomorrow. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk]] </span> </sup> 04:26, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the reply, Kevan... No, you're right, haven't had a lot of time to play lately, but I tested it further and I did finally find some FAKs... And for everyone else... I believe I know ''exactly'' why Kevan implemented this. And it pleases me, personally, very much. :) Meanwhile, this wasn't a game-mechanic change, just a search rate nerf... Thus, I think it's cool it was left for us to discover on our own, and not as an announcement... Even if I had to resort to the cheap method of asking the big guy himself... ;) Though I did suspect it might be a search rate nerf, I just didn't ''dare'' to believe'' :D ... Thanks, Kevan, cool change... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:01, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh... FTR limited data... but searching for guns in a mall ''seems'' the same as always... and syringe rates have been quite low for some time now... just to clear up statement made above about everything sucking... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:05, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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You know, there's a [[Search Odds|better place]] than Kevan's talk page to dump this data... --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup II==<br />
I have regularly spoken to you of the abuses of adminsistrator and the flaws of the system. I have begged, and pleaded for you to become involved in fixing these problems. You have told me to do it myself. Tow/three days ago i notified you of my intent to stage a coup on this wiki and enforce a better way, at the very least as a trial run. I also informed you that you could call it off simply by telling me "no". Since you havent responded, and circumstances have cospired to make such an option impossible in the immediate future due to the very corruption that has taken root, i have been forced to go ahead earlier than i would have liked. I merely ask that you adopt a wait and see attitude towards what i am trying to do. This is my last throw of the dice. My last ditch attempt to make this a better place before i take my leave of this community forever. I apologise for the manner in which i had to bring it about however. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 10:26, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hello Grim. I read your email as a bold request for ''permission'' to single-handedly institute "sweeping reforms" and selective sysop demotions. I didn't realise you were threatening to actually abuse bureaucrat powers and go ahead regardless, if I didn't respond quickly enough.<br />
:Yes, whenever you email me asking that I force through a change that you personally want implemented, I suggest that you take it through the proper channels - usually a policy discussion, to at least get some community feedback first. I don't see why you couldn't have done that here. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup==<br />
Could you please re-sysop all the people that Grim just demoted, please, and remove his bureaucrat status to avoid it happening again? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:24 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Already onto it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::sooo....where do we go from here? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::[[Suburb Nicknames#West Becktown|PUSSY TOWN]]!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Shouldn't grim also have been demoted ? He can still do lots of damage with his sysop powers --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Given the "effective immediately i am seizing executive power" tone of his bureaucrat abuse, and the fact that he claims to have left the wiki permanently, temporarily revoking his sysop powers seems fair enough, if only as a security issue. I'll reverse it should the [[Misconduct#User:Grim_s|new misconduct case]] decide in his favour. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:34, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Hm... I think I may create a new subpage on my userspace containing as much of this stuff as I can. It will be interesting to read through and spot the points at which Grim became more and more frantic. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::First Katthew, now grim. There is no place for common sense is there? Maybe i'm not in possession of all the facts; all I see is one frustrated person finally snapping, after years spent as one of the very few sysops to actually work to make this a better place - rather than feather his own nest. The wiki has finally moved from being a source of information to some kind of passive-aggressive, UD version of Facebook. I'd rather have one person capable of making a mature decisions, unafraid to step on a few toes and deflate a few egos, than a gaggle of preening children. Disappointing. --[[User:Keith Drudgely|Keith Drudgely]] 17:58, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Grim was anything but "mature". Just saying. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 20:56, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::you should talk, cyberbob... actually, i do think grim was someone who worked hard for the wiki... and he'd dealt with idiocy for so long, he did snap... however, if only he'd handled things better over the long haul... le sigh... for what it's worth, the drama has pretty much caused me to quit the game, too... pathetic how seriously some people (myself included) take all this sometimes... and interesting how easy it is to walk away when the bad taste gets to be too much, and how little you miss UD when you do... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:36, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Biiig difference between being immature by choice and being immature by impulse, Wan. Also, WTF is with you and ellipses? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:18, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::~2 years till the next sysop snaps. I can understand where Grim was coming from though. It's very frustrating when people constantly attack you for no perceived reason, and eventually you *have* to snap, no one can sustain continued harassment. Grims misconduct case showed this, sysops calling for Grims demotion over something so minor was ridiculous. Unfortunately once a group of users has decided to attack you there's nowhere safe on the wiki, and eventually you are forced to leave until things cool off, which can be a long while, and difficult to do if you are a regular. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">11:35/13/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::::OR you could simply cease the unneccessary causticness that brought on all that ire and start acting with some degree of restraint rather than taking the easy route and trying to lay the blame on others. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:52, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Cyberbob's right, just because you weren't a victim of Grim's monster rampage doesn't mean it didn't happen. You should try to understand Jedaz, people didn't just rise against Grim for fun. We aren't idiots. If we were mindless idiots we would be playing Halo 3 and NFL 2009 instead of UD. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:58, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::It's called Madden you culturally ignorant fuck. Nah you're allllright. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:02, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::How dare you be here and not on IRC. You left me alone with those barbarians. >=[ {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::sorry sorry! I was spose to go to bed 21 minutes ago...hows a week tonight for you? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:19, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::@Cyberbob - What kind of restraint are you talking about? Restraint of language? I don't see anyone else restraining themselves. Restraint of Sysop powers? Well there wern't any successful misconduct cases about misuse. If you are talking about restraining yourself once you've snapped then you must be laughing. Don't get me wrong, Grims attitude didn't help the situation, but people making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't going to help either.<br />
::::::::@DDR - What has Grim done since June to have this "uprising" occur? Personally I didn't see Grim do anything outside of his regular behaviour (ignoring this most recent case), and the community has known about his behaviour for a long time and still elected him! Would the community still have rised up if this didn't occur? If not then it's just an angry mob and it would have cooled down eventually, where as an uprising would still have occured.<br />
::::::::Anyway, if either of you wish to continue this conversation I'ld suggest we move this to my [[User_talk:Jedaz|talk page]] rather then clog up Kevans. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:34/14/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::My point, Jedaz, was that if Grim was at all socially intelligent he would have realised that people weren't going to take his shit forever. If he wanted to prevent an explosion of the sort we saw he should've taken steps to improve his self-control. Blaming his completely unreasonable hissy fit (ZOMG IM GONNA LOSE MAI CRAT STATUS ALL MUST DIE) on the completely understandable reactions of everyone else is ridiculous. You need to take off the "I got yo back brotha!" goggles (you think I don't remember the circumstances of your demotion?) and take a step back to look at things realistically. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I supose you have a point. But I don't think you fully understand the reason I chose to be demoted (if you did then you wouldn't have brought it up). My point is if you don't have the support of the team you are working in then of course you are going to find it tough and eventually you are either going to quit or break. Nobody seems to care that it can actually get to this point. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:20/16/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::Cyberbob's right. Do you actually have a personal history with Grimsky? He has been planning this entire explosion for a very long time. He probably stretched out the time of the case so it could build up to a bigger explosion. He deliberately did this for his own ego. And yet you don't think he was unfit to be at the position he was at? Why argue with us more? Ask the entire community which demanded what we demand right now. I don't want to disrupt Kevan (I know your reading hun =]) So I'll stop here, no need to pursue justification. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::it was very calculated, there was a reason he chased away the other competent sysops, and crats, and meatpuppeted his crat "election". He was planning this "coup" for a while and was no lapse in judgement.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:30, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::I miss all of the good stuff. I believe what Anime is referring to is discussed [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|here]], with a now dead reference to [[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysop_Sub_Groups:The_Cheesy_Version#"With_less_than_10_active_sysops"|the original conversation here]]. You know, where he admits to hounding sysops such as Vista and Hagnat to get them to quit their positions. Coincidentally, after he got Hagnat to quit, he got elected as a Bureaucrat. No, obviously no long term plan in place.<br />
:::::::::::{{quote|Grim_s|Making a new sysop subclass wont solve this problem, all it will do is bloat the numbers of idiot sysops, which i have spent the last 18 months whittling away at.}}<br />
:::::::::::Whoops. I guess it ''was'' a long term plan to get into power after all, huh? [[Image:Haw.gif]] --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:52, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::No way to prove this but on IRC Grim would often criticize my "hissy fits" of pissing people off for lulz and then brag about how he could do it better. I think AS remembers it, he often hung out in #udwiki. My point, he planned this. That wasn't impulse. Impulse is "DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING!!!" --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:07, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::Maybe they are talking about on a geological timetable. Or perhaps some people need to [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impulse%5B2%5D read more]. I do find it amusing that [[:Template:Grim Doom|this template]], which was meant as a joke, is closer to the truth than people like to believe. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::He made [[User:Grim_s/Sandbox/Thingamajig|these notes on attempting to scrap the system]] back in July, which included the idea that my veto power was a "problem" and should be revoked. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::That's kind of why I am confused how what [[User:Amazing|Amazing]] did was worse than this. There is a huge history of edits of Grim chasing users off of the wiki in order to attain the power he craved ([[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|'''by his own admission''']]), then kicks off the rest of the sysop team to implement his changes when he is threatened, yet he doesn't receive the same punishment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::You're confusing yourself, because the Amazing and Grim situations are totally different. Amazing wasn't a sysop when he earned his permban through the established VB escalation system, and it was also a long, long time ago. Most of the sysops ruling on Grims case had nothing to do with the wikigate farce. Careful what you wish for, Akule, [[Witch Burners]] arn't that picky, as you well know <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:35 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::::Oh, okay, so talking with Kevan about how Grim probably should have been permabanned for chasing away several good sysops, plotting to remove Kevan's veto power, and overthrowing the other sysops results with veiled threats of forcing me off the wiki from you. Gotcha. So, when are you going to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Amnesty&diff=next&oldid=1295384 "waah"] Kevan like you did Hagnat and the others? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:17, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::I'm not threatening to force you off the wiki, Akule. I'm trying to point out that if witch burners always got their way, Grim would be out, but so would you, long ago due to copyright-gate. And why the hell would I Wah Keven, you clown... you're the one doing the waaaaahing <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::It's cos deep down (very deep, in some cases) we've all got a soft spot for ol' grimchy.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::And the winner of the Speak For Yourself award goes to.... --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 08:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Ooo! ooo! I'm a shoo in for this one! Pick me! Pick me! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:58, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::Umm...Boxy? How is what Grim did similar to the Witch Burners? Our goal is to remove those who create mass amounts of drama on the wiki through vandalism, arby's, and other crap. We are the vigilantes that work where the sysops can't. Grim would have been a target of ours if we weren't so afraid of him banning us after labeling him a target. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:25, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Well, I was referring to the way Grim has become a targeted witch, actually, but he did use similar tactics, now you mention it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::::::::::::The problem Grim saw with Kevan's veto power was that Kevan's refusal to participate in the wiki and the absence of the threat of the use of that power was in and of itself damaging to the wiki and led to a lot of the crap that annoys all of us. It wasn't that Kevan had veto power but that Kevan wasn't willing to give that power any weight. You'd probably know that if you ever spoke to Grim outside of arguments.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:24, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::I did. Usually it was go back to an argument, mostly over stupid shit. Mentioning you like Star Wars would result in a vicious attack on why TIE Fighters can't make noise in space. I for one don't give a shit. Grim loved to create trouble over stupid shit. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:23, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::That wasn't directed at you Sonny.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:54, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::BUT GODDSDAMMIT TIE FIGHTERS CAN'T MAKE A NOISE IN SPACE!!!!!!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 18:28, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::fcuk u tehy can 2!!1!!!1one! --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::: obviously the whole star war universe takes place in a particle rich nebula that allows for both the transmission of sound and the really spectacular explosions...DUH! [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:07, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Well at least we don't have Real Gamer ruling the wiki.Grim did make a joke about a coup earlier in 2008 around the time the the dead did their rampage I believe.And by the way, according to the History Channel,if you were in space,the Death Star firing and destroying a planet is as less loud than you clicking your computer's mouse.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Coup Misconduct Resolution ==<br />
[[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Resolution.2FFinal_Ruling| Resolution]] of the Misconduct case due to the coup, Just an FYI for official notification. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== HP? ==<br />
Just stood up after a revive... Found myself at 20 instead of 30. another one of these unannounced changes? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:07, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:That would be a bug. Report it if it happens again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:24, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I like the NT scan tweak. Very classy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Grammar ==<br />
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You try to add some corrugated iron to the barricade, but can't find a place for them.<br />
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"Them" should be "it", or "corrugated iron" should be plural, so maybe "corrugated iron rods".<br />
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Hope this is in the right place, and I know you probably don't care that much about small gramatical errors but someone needs to point them out!<br />
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Feel free to downsize the image..I would but I need to run! {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 12:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Update ==<br />
I don't do this much and am actually on the side of criticizing updates as too much for false problems but this recent update has been something that has been long in the waiting. Thank You, this might actually get me playing my characters again.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:37, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll go along with that. Admittedly I'm far more easily-pleased than Karek and never stopped actively playing, but still, thanks for a great update. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:27, 17 October 2008 (BST).<br />
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== Privacy Policy ==<br />
Hi kevan, is there any chance of a Privacy Policy being written up regarding players IP's and emails. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:58, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:[[UDWiki:Privacy policy]] has been in the footer for a couple of years now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:13, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Sorry I did not make it clear, I meant in regards to the game, not the wiki.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 10:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Streetwalkin' cheetah with a heartful of napalm ==<br />
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A ruffian headbutted me for 1 damage today, as a human. Is this a new addition or am I slow? I basically came here to ask, Kevan, how does one headbutt? Is it a random occurance that may happen instead of excecuting the punch command? Just curious. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:22, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Heh. That would have been me, non? Headbutt works via ?actions, i simply installed a greasemonkey script that allows me to perform said action in harman form without using the ?action. Sometimes young ddr, the only way to fight fire is well, with fire ;) . --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:50, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::That would be biting with a mask while alive I assume. 'cause you can bite while alive but, for 1 damage.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:49, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like the shooting while a zombie cheat to me. That hasn't been fixed yet, has it? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:27 18 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::That was fixed just before April 1 this year, I remember because Red Rums April Fools plans were ruined.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 17:06, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::The only reason the shooting cheat got fixed was because enough people decided to whine about such a minor thing. No one really cares about this one and it's been known for a long long time. That being said the damage is reduced when trying to perform zombie actions while living, it's always punch damage and I think punch rates too.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:58, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Nah no mask, just 1 damage.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:55, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I wish to lay claim to be the first person to be headbutted for 1 damage by a harman. Then I'll be positively famous. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:52, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You aren't. Unfortunately i'm not original, i got the script that allows me to do this off viktor, first person i know of who got headbutted was Fiffy i think, check with Anime, he'll know! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:06, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Take it to [[Talk:Actions via "question marks"]], thanks kids... no need to bother Kevan with this. Basically all these attacks work as a punch with different flavour: they're all 25% to hit, 1 damage. And you're very late to the party, I know I and others have been doing this for 6 months or more. Pretty much from around the time ActOnProfile came out. <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:34, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And unlike shooting while a zombie...the damage able to be inflicted by this is minimal. I've been bitten by a harman before. It was hilarious. ;) --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 04:15, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aha! That sneaky gorilla's secret is revealed! At last the world makes sense again. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 05:09, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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/topic. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:31, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== so wait... new map? whats for monroeville? ==<br />
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2 questions....headshot on this map or?<br />
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and monroeville is at 260 poeple so im kinda wondering if theres anything left for it....<br />
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[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 10:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:First question, the first one to level 10'll find out. Question 2, get over it, there's been nothing there for ages...new city thyme :D --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Kazypoo1, Monroeville ''did'' die quite a while ago, in case you didn't notice... I thought it said 'permanent zombification' somewhere, and it only lasts a month, so I'm assuming its perma headshot. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::No, headshot doesn't mean permadeath in Borehamwood. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hello Kevan, quick question: The stats page currently displays the Monroeville numbers as {{udspan|(1023 standing survivors, 707 standing zombies, 43896 accounts created)}}. I take it this is Borehamwood numbers mixing with the old of Monroeville. So will we get separate stats for Borehamwood? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:So. That's basically 950 survivors against 200 zombies at the moment? Still I liked getting the rage. It was fun. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Good point. Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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With the new locations such as railway line(s) and petrol station(s), what do they bring to the game? Is their any new weapons/items? --[[User:Alcatraz311|Alcatraz311]] 15:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Was this why the server went down last night by any chance? =P -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Publicity of Big Brother house location ==<br />
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Greetings. I, amongst others, would like to know your opinion on publicity of the Big Brother house location on the wiki. Should it stay hidden or be revealed? --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 13:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Unless Kevan comes out and says otherwise, this is no different than any other location in the game. Removing it is in no way different to a group of trenchies removing [[Giddings Mall]] from the map in case [[MOB]] comes to visit. Information is free. Censorship is bad.<br />
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:This wiki is a game resource, not a vehicle for censorship so that certain players can increase their chances of winning a DVD.<br />
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:Also this information has already been disseminated to public UD forums and is available through public iwitnesses. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Had this talk with the Big Man before, and he said he has no problem with it. Actually, he imagined its coordinates would have been posted in a matter of hours on the wiki, and also broadcasted through radio and stuff like that. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's up to players how much information they share or conceal; I don't mind either way, in this case. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Wow... as if we don't get enough of the BB franchise on the idiot box, now we get huge BB eye's looking at us as we attack a mall in Malton? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:59 2 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:They'd only be there because someone chose to spraypaint them, but the graphic shouldn't have been showing up outside Borehamwood. This is now fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::OK, thanks. I have a particular hatred of the bastardisation of the original "big brother" concept that involves housemates <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:56 3 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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== Questions about your character ==<br />
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I assume this UD ID is yours, correct, UD ID-11? Well, I'd like to welcome you to West Grayside, though I don't appreciate the eating of so many brains. Also, I don't appreciate the Ninja Zombie status you seem to give yourself. we all know the military covers up things, but covering up their own skills? I scanned your zombie, listed as pre-death class Military, but you lack any military skills! So is just a sick joke, or is it a bug? Picture of scan here:<br />
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Thanks for checking.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Damn, that's a pretty smart catch! Bub is pretty famous among organized zombie players, and most folks know him for not having any human skills, but I never knew he was a "military class" character, as I've never seen the "living" version of his profile.<br>I doubt its a bug; G. Romeroe's "Bub" character was military. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 22:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::How did he get Military without any skills? .......... Oh wait.... Mad haxors skill... :P --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Bweing god of Urban dead helped as well; being able to defy the laws of logic and the 4rth dimension and whatnot. Wait whats his human account?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 03:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So, what is his human account? --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 17:00, 26 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::I don't think any of the survivor accounts are known, but we know he has them out there... Somewhere... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 02:41, 27 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=14 Kevan] doesn't seem to do much <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:11 27 September 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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== Mediawiki Update ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if there any chance of getting wiki software updated? The latest version is v1.13 and there are several useful new features, including: <br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
It's not urgent or anything, but it would be nice if you could put it on your busy to-do list :D.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That sounds pretty cool. =) Can we get it for Christmas? Means you'd only have to get us one present between us this year, saving you quite a lot of money. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Image undeletion is enabled by default as well-useful for when sysops accidentally delete a useful image {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Black Holes of Borehamwood==<br />
Evening. There's a couple of squares in [[Borehamwood]] that are seemingly unscoutable. Namely deep river sections. Can you confirm there's nothing mysterious and shiny hiding in the depths, islands and the like? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'd just like to also say thank you for the charcoal briquettes barricade message. Brought a smile to my face.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazing ==<br />
I'v always owndered for these 2 years; what in the hell DID amazing do anyways? What grim did is easy to see because of the publicity and recentism of it but what EXACTLY did amazing do?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amount of characters in a broadcast ==<br />
I was wondering, Since I started the [[Galaxy News Radio]] i've found that the very small amount of characters you can use is at best, a thorn in my side, couldn't it be possible to make the transmission amount of characters the same as for speaking, it makes perfect sense really --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 21:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If you want to make a suggestion for an in game feature, take it by [[Developing Suggestions]] and get some constructive criticism before putting it up for voting. Although as far as i'm aware the character cap exists to limit spamming of radio channels.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Actually it's probably more of a necessary thing like the 50 people limit in normal speak is. Radio can't share that limiter because that would eliminate it's whole purpose so the only other ways to limit it is to put an upper end on how much you can say per day per channel.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::It's a possibility, but since character limits (as far as i'm aware) predates the need for limiting talking to 50 it seems odd.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
Okie i'll take this to the development pages, thanks for the feed back though guys {{unsigned|An unlucky guy|11:00, November 23, 2008}}<br />
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==Dead Set Competition== <br />
Can I assume that the prizes and all went off without a hitch so I can update the competition as a Past event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, the winners have been selected and contacted, and talking to the cameras in the diary room no longer has any effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Trade?==<br />
Sorry to bother you but I was wondering why survivors can't trade. This could lead to more eaisly avalible equipment, I think there would be a limit thou. Generators couldn't be traded etc. I think that it might help the humans in a bunch of Unbalanced claims. Players could not trade to same Ip address characters would stop cheating and it could lead to characters traveling round Malton selling there wares which would be fun to see. My regards it's a great game and I've got a bunch of my freinds playing now too. Thanks from me and them [[User:Athur birling]]<br />
:Heya. If you want to make a suggestion for an addition to the game you should go [[suggestions|here]]. In the meantime check out [[Frequently_Suggested#Giving_or_Trading_Items|this]] which explains why trading is generally seen as a bad idea. Anyway, welcome to the totally awesome UD wiki!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The [http://www.urbandead.com/faq.html#trade FAQ] does hint at trading, but he also says it will take lots of thought. I imagine the coding would be nightmarish too. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::you know what link? you're alllllllllllllllllright.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks {{unsigned|Athur birling}}<br />
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==Making a list? Checking it Twice?==<br />
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We getting a chrimbo update? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow? ==<br />
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Are you hiding it under your cap? Or NO SNOW FOR MALTON WINTER 08'? I miss mah flakie friends! --[[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 21:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:[http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a841/a841.gif Al Gore was right]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd like to put in another vote for snow! I missed the fog this year at Halloween and the snow really added some nice flavour in my opinion. --[[User:Queen Mum|Queen Mum]] 00:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Need moar snow. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== what, no more newspapers? ==<br />
they don't seem to be showing up in hospitals anymore. got rid of them, eh? any chance of them coming back, i love smacking people with 'em! :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:They should be somewhere else maybe? It was annoying with them in hospies. Luckily all ma guys have them already :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Still plenty of places to find [[newspapers]], guys. lrn2wiki. <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, there are no more newspapers in Hospitals. I search them often, and not in ages have I found a newspaper therein. Update that wiki page? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Same here. Seems safe to update. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== I can't smash Xmas lights??? ==<br />
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Those darned Whos! I hate them!! But seriously, the option to smash christmas lights in a ruined building is not available. This is blatant discrimination against zombie scrooges. I protest! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:My apologies. I figured it out. :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hi, I'm a big fan. I finally found your talk page and I have a question, can you reinstall headshots in Monroeville as the humans think they can take down us zeds........--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leaving nice messages for Kevan is fine, however we have a system for suggesting improvements. Please go to [[Developing_Suggestions|Developing Suggestions]] and suggest it there. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 19:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Character Deleted == <br />
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I wanted to make sure that this [[Fixed_Bugs#Teleport_across_Malton_and_level_0_account||bug]] was fixed but it appears that it is not fixed. If you are on the edge of Malton and go to http:urbandead.com/map.cgi?v=100-99 it will mess up your character. I did this with my charachter Yark and now whenever I log in I can't perform any actions with him, and it seems his skills have been deleted: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815674 --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 20:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No! Yark! =( -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Just replicated it by going from 0,99 to 0,100 in New Arkham with a random throwaway I just made: [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1442227 Testy McTesterson]. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I hate to say it, I killed mister <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=142058 password]</span>. After more poking, I have observed even more; Couple of AP and permadeath, I'm the first to go from Spicer Hills to Dakerstown instantly. I'll work out more details when my IP hits refresh, as I just used a proxy that I didn't much like. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::<nowiki>:</nowiki>'( --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::password will live on. (and probably be revivificated) Also, what about 100-100? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::[[:Image:Testy.jpg|We're alive!!]] =D We're level 0 and we've got a zombie chewing on us, but we're alive!! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Fixed. I've dropped Yark into a random, secure building, and given the character 1000XP to get up and running again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The bug? Or Yark? password and Testy are level 0.. The bug was interesting, odd behaviour, but it would be nice if after a server reset you could be free to move again. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 18:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The bug. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 18:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Project Namespace ==<br />
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we have few projects, yet i was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting to have them in their own namespace. Thus projects like [[The Great Mall Project]] and [[ALiM]] would be located in [[Project:The Great Mall Project]] and [[Project:ALiM]]. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but "Project" is a builtin alias for whatever the name of the wiki is (here it's "UDWiki"). e.g. [[Project:Administration]] is the same as [[UDWiki:Administration]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Darn, forgot about that. Maybe in the plural then, [[Projects:The Great Mall Project]] --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::That would just be confusing.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Just Plain Vanity ==<br />
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Any chance of a {{Udspan|''' Dermot O'Leary was still alive and active one month into the Borehamwood quarantine.'''}} ? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== about the admin team ==<br />
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how do you feel about the current sysop team of the wiki ? do you have any problems with how we run things ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:does he give a fuck? recent history would suggest probably not. Stop fishing for compliments hagnat. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:okay that came out a little harsh, but i don't see why you want to bring kevan into this other than for your own gratification. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Hedging much? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 13:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::It's pretty easy to predict what he's going to say. Why would he complain? You can't have nothing to do with your own games wiki then rock up and say 'i hate the way you people run it' and then disappear again. Unless he wants to get involved in the wiki again kevan ''can't'' say he has a problem with the way they run it. Although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Easier than that, last time someone asked him to weigh in on promotions his response was that he basically didn't want his opinion brought into the matter. So No Comment is probably the best bet.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Me? I'm just the guy who provides the hosting, here - I'll step in if there are server issues, or if a rogue bureaucrat locks the wiki down, but everything else is up to the community. If I wanted to have a say in wiki policy, or who should and shouldn't be a sysop, I'd already be doing that. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::J3D 1, haggy, zerrro. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Hey, he gives a fuck about how the community is run. He just won't say how much or what he gives a fuck about. :D --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span></small> 02:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I think Hagnat's concerned for his sysop status. I would be too if I was a ''trusted user'' that was acting against the wishes of the community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop right there Iscariot! I am sick and tired of you constantly saying that every sysop on the team is going agaisnt the wishes of the community! Most of the community never has a problem with the current admin team, and when they do it's rarely a huge problem. Now you come on Kevan's page and still continue the bad mouthing. Just face it, no matter what you will never be pleased with the administration and so you will constantly have to pretend that the whole community is on your side so that you will feel right in your head.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::How many people are there playing the game? How many are on this wiki? Yes, some people don't have time to spend on anything other than playing the game, but how many people are putting hours a day into the meta game and ''still'' won't touch this wiki without an exceptional reason? And how many of those people have told you that the current administration team is one of the primary reasons? My total ''will'' beat yours. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The wiki is an information source. Almost everything is explained in game when you encounter it (1st death, 1st Rez. etc.) So, not every one needs to touch the wiki or even use it as a resource. <br />
::::The wiki is the worst place to organize and meta-game. Just ask DHPD. When we were just Project:T.I.M.E. (well, before the Dead/DoDH) we were seriously outnumbered by them, but because they had all of their profiles linked on here and updated where they were going to be and who they were working with and so on we knew enough about them to take them out. The wiki shouldn't be for the meta-game it should be for information. That's why most groups of note have an off site forum to metagame. You can't blame the current staff because people have figured out that giving away too much information on their groups is bad thing.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::That has so little to do with what iscariot said.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Get it off Kevan's page. He doesn't need to be bothered with a dispute between users. Have it out on each others talk pages, or even mine, just don't start bringing it here. Okay?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 01:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I know, I'm sorry. I just wanted to counter Iscariot's comment because I know exactly what he's trying to accomplish by posting that. I, unlike Iscariot, am done here now.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Much as I hate the way Iscariot is going about his crusade I have to say he does have a point. The sysop team probably does not represent the view of even a large minority of players and that explains why so few players contribute. Not that i think its all the Admin teams fault, but the rules they follow and enforce reflect a community that no longer exist. Most sysops were promoted long before most current players even heard of the game yet the tag "trusted user" is still attached to the title "SYSOP". Few current wiki users vouched for them and fewer still of the actual player base and yet they still cling to positions claiming that "popular" votes undermine the system! They are right that popularity does not mean competence but... Franky i find it a bit odd that sysops can claim the label "trusted user" and not be willing to allow the community to confirm that label. Look back to Conn's promotion bid, or Boxy's or Hagnats or even Kareks and even without checking i can say with confidence that at least half those that vouched are no longer active.... Now i personally '''Would''' vouch for them all but my point is that they were not voted in by the current community and the claims that they are trusted users wear very thin in light of the fact that they do not seem willing to trust the communities opinion on pretty much any issue!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The sysop team doesn't have to represent the view of a large majority of players, it only has to represent the view of the wiki community. Whenever I play a browser game I don't always sign up to their forums/wiki/whatever they have. A large portion of users probably won't bother contributing to the wiki because so many other users already are. If I was to ask you, "what needs contributing to on the wiki?", I'm sure you probably won't have many answers. The only things of note are suggestions and suburb reports, and not everybody is interested in that (and the drama which comes with each of them). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:26/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::I have a few, if you want a list feel free to pester me some time.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 02:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree that the only bits of the wiki that interest most players are the Maps, suggestions and suburb reports (I include maps because i assumed you had forgotten them?) that said i do think that the system is set up to support the views of long time players (contributors) rather than the new players who are actually the lifeblood of the game. While obviously the wiki needs to pay some attention to long time editors like me,wan,cyberbob,ahlg,etc... i would think it would be far more important to promote the wiki to new uers. I still play (and i hope/assume that those named do too) and i would hope that everyone on the admin team does to but it has to be said that without change the game becomes dull and people leave. If the wiki and its admin team does not reflect the changing demographic of the game it is missing what is surely a fundemental point for its existence?--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I remembered the maps, but I did not include them because there is very little to nothing which a new user can contribute to (which is what I'm focusing on). I agree, we should encourage new users to join and contribute, however most of the other work is maintence which doesn't exactly draw the crowd. If you have an idea which would encourage new productive users to sign up then I'ld like to hear it. I'ld be more then happy to help flesh out any ideas you may have. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:50/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::::I think my wiki Urban Dead game could draw in some people to play. They could even make their own once I finish the template. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Autoconfirmed group ==<br />
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Hi Kevan. Just want to ask a quick question. We've had a couple of policies about setting up an autoconfirmed group recently and I thought it might be a good idea to check in with you about it. Depending on the result of [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Autoconfirmed Group Trial|this policy]] would you been willing to implement an autoconfirmed group on the wiki as a trial to see how we get on with it? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No problem. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks. =) -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Quick Questions ==<br />
Sorry to take up your time, but I'm just wandering what you think of the games on the Related Games page. (ie, Nexus War, Shartak, Outbreak, etc). Also on Shartak, Leaky Blocks (It's creator) said that you encouraged Shartak's developement and that you play shartak. Is that true?--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 15:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Shartak's the only spinoff I've played, and yes, Simon/Leaky is an old friend of mine. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Why no chainsaws ==<br />
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:''content moved to [[User_talk:Jakezing|Jakezing talk page]]''<br />
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== Updating the Wiki software, 2.0 ==<br />
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The wiki software, as it stands, is two years old (ish, in the coming month.) As well as the obvious bugfixes and minor changes that can't be gone into detail here, 1.13.3 of MediaWiki has some useful new features that we could use:<br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
*Image undeletion enabled by default<br />
*A prettier [[Special:Specialpages|list of special pages]] (compare to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages Wikipedia's])<br />
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There are heaps of other changes-you can look at the release notes linked [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/News here]. I know that updating the server will take some time, but it would be nice if you could add it to your busy schedule.<br />
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<sub>I stole some of that list from [[User:The General|The General]] above</sub><br />
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Would this increase information between the server and peers= server load increase? {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 12:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think so. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I can't see how it would, but I can't say for sure. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:It's on the to-do list. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Awesome, thanks.--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel -</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks Kevan. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What's your view on adding extensions to the wiki? I'm not talking anything specific here, just in general. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Xmas ==<br />
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Xmas is over, and there are clearly no more Xmas decorations or trees, but the update message was not changed, and there is still the option to hold onto Xmas decorations if found. Perhaps removing that option (and next year posting when Xmas is over) would be helpful? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 13:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Don't take away my Christmas trees... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Christmas trees have been a vehicle for meta-challenges and games when they do pop up. It's fun flavor even in the middle of the year. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool]] and the [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool II]] are a couple examples. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::In sounds like you guys think I am requesting trees be removed altogether. I am not. I mean, the announcement still exists on the main page about the trees and light being available, even though they no longer are, so I am suggesting cycling the announcement to something "current".--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow ==<br />
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Perhaps I have missed something, but did the livestock and industry prevent snowfall last winter? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Misconduct Case Feb 2009==<br />
A user has brought a case over on [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#The_Entire_Sysop_Team.2C_excluding_Kevan_and_.22Urbandead.22|the Administration: Misconduct page]] that indicts every member of the administration team except your personal account and the Urban Dead admin account also controlled by yourself. Due to the obvious problems with ruling on cases in which you are also a named party, none of the current administration team may rule on the case (that is if they conform to the community's policies). Would it be possible for you to quickly look over the case and either rule misconduct or not misconduct to prevent unnecessary fall out? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Pretty sure Kevan isn't going to buy into this shit fyi --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I think you're mistaking me for Read. Fact is, that case is going to sit there for a couple of weeks whilst you and he debate the finer points of whatever it is you discuss. If an involved sysop (as they all are) removes it then we're asking for drama. Kevan can spend five minutes and solve the whole thing for the community, even if he just states that he declines to get involved and rule, which will obviously mean that the sysops cannot be found guilty of misconduct and this will allow the case to be archived. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I may have to agree with Iscariot here. Getting Kevan to say something, anything, will be the only way to end the case without pissing off Read and causing him to file another misconduct case to whomever is the sysop responsible for breaking procedure and then causing a '''huge''' wave of drama, and we all know he's chomping at the bit for something truly substantial to hit the administration with.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 18:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The amount of drama someone causes is only as much as everyone else allows them to (I wasn't mistaking you for Read btw Iscariot; I wasn't intending to implicate you whatsoever). If nobody feeds the troll he will eventually starve to death. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::My opinions on Read, yourself, the sysop team and Santa Claus aren't involved here. The simple fact that allowing the precedent of an involved party to remove a case shouldn't be something we're striving for. Personally I'd rather have Kevan rule, and I think we all know which way. However provided that Kevan publicly responds in some way, even if that response is ''"I'm not ruling, I don't get involved"'', then we have a way to remove the case validly. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::kk --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Read was irrelevant, he wouldn't have continued it and Iscariot has no intentions here but to try and cause said drama. It's what he always does, jumping on something someone else made and perverting it for his own attempts at causing needless drama and faux rebellion to stroke his ego that the sysops who punish him for his actions aren't trusted by the community. The validity of the case was never relevant to his trying to stir shit, neither was the legitimacy of any action a sysop could take in response to it, to him it's all gonna be called abuse. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Not seeing any reason to get involved here; either the misconduct system is poorly worded, or it's being misinterpreted. You shouldn't be able to accuse all but one sysop of misconduct, and allow that one sysop to judge the rest. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::yase, justice have prevailed --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 23:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Massive Zerging in Dunell Hills ==<br />
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About three days ago a large number of new characters all called "TheDeadDie" (i.e., TheDeadDie1 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467702, TheDeadDie15 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467737, etc.) started appearing in Dunell Hills. The first the DHPD heard of it was this iWitness report.<br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-10-09_2000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_5-36_zergertown_a5d-400-1db.html<br />
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There are now, apparently, over 100 of these characters.<br />
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Obviously there is an outside possibility this is a large group of new players but, on the whole, it looks like zerging on a massive scale.<br />
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The DHPD are currently trying to find out more about the situation and deal with it. We thought we should give you a heads up, however, in case there was something obvious in the server logs that would provide definitive proof of zerging and allow swift action to be taken at your end. We understand that you normally prefer to keep out of zerging cases, but this looks pretty outrageous to us and we thought you should, at least, know about it. [[User:Louise|Louise]] 11:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Aye, [[HKL]] ran into this bunch as well and were pretty put-off. [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-11-09_0200hrs_PRIVATE/IN_5-36_Dead_Zerg_Rush__a51-c5d-8a0.html Another iWitness] with even more of them crowded in. Profile search for [http://profiles.urbandead.net/index.php?name=TheDeadDie* TheDeadDie*] shows 102 of them at the moment. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::zergs like that are usually a flash in the pan. 10 bucks says they all idle out before level 3--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 15:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible big ass Zerg in Yagoton ==<br />
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Ok: We have ALOT of Fing lvl 1 free runnerfs hiding in St. Swithuns (which i am guessing you know is a revive point), its caded thanks to the idiots trying ot take over: and I'm guessing this mass colection of lvl 1 free runners (they all have free running only) are bots? They all joined around the exact same time as well.<br />
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*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471315<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471341<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471355<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471480<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471498<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471519<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=163604<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471501<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471358<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471347.<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471324<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471331<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471350<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471366<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471492<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471504<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471367<br />
:Those are the links, srry bout stretching but i forget which one tabs it into a Number.<br />
::Heres a picture of them all in one area. http://i43.tinypic.com/2lwr7k1.jpg<br />
:::Srry bout the mess this is making on the talk.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Take the list to resensitized, that's about all that you can do. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 05:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::One question about that picture. Where'd you get a version of UDToolbar that works with the latest version of Firefox? --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 08:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I just downloaded one? What's different about it? Also theres even more zergs now.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 13:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Jake, unlike how some folks would be I'll be nice here...Kev doesn't do anything about Zergs from info received on the wiki. as a matter of fact Kevan doesn't do a whole lot unless there was a significant amount of community input via the suggestions page and even then it is at his leisure. The Zerg issue is pretty much handled by other folks on the resens list and even then its pretty catch as catch can. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 19:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::No wonder UD fail so hard.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::As many have said before, if you don't like it, then leave. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I think he has sadism issues, as we try and try to get him to leave, but he always keeps coming back for moar abuse. It's sad really.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::You can tell me to go but that doesnt give you the power to make it happen.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I'm not telling you to leave, but it would probably be a good decision if you think UD fails. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 15:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::That's masochism, not sadism. --{{User:William Told/Sig}} 01:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Random Request ==<br />
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Next time you create a new city, any chance of bringing back the junkyard and wirecutters combo? Cheers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:+1. I have to admit to being bitterly disappointed to find open junkyards in Monroeville. :'( {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==TOU/S==<br />
Do we have a Terms of use/service page? I've been looking for a while, and I don't seem to see one. It'd be nice if we did, because then we'd know things that are expressly forbidden due to hosting issues and the like.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:If you cannot find it: it does not exist.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 22:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Oh piss off. No one is fooled by your act, so please just fuck off. Kevan? Do we have a list of things that are forbidden due to country laws, hosting issues, etc. or not (Not necessarily meaning it's available on this site, but one that you know about that pertains to the wiki)? I mean, yeah there are a few "duh" sort of ones, like no kiddie porn and stuff, but others I have no idea about. Any help?--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.com This site] (domain tools,) says that [http://www.as29550.net/ this] is his ISP, server located in England. The ISP has an "Abuse of TOS" email address, so presumably they have a TOS, although I can't find it. I have no idea about English law. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::From time on another, more combative, site I have a layman's understanding of British Law as it applies to defamation, slander, libel and the nature of physical threats and illegal actions that appertain to the settlement of the aforementioned. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::A brief education by the University of Google finds no such laws relating to death threats, but I would imagine that such a law would be buried deep in things like criminal codes. If it comes to it, I'll ask one of my teachers about the (Australian) legal system when it comes to these things, or one of my parents (both lawyers.) That said, that's ''Australian'' law, but our law is pretty similar to that of the UK. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Back in the Day Xoid and I had to do some research on the TOS because of a user abusing in serious violation of them. However I've gone looking and haven't been able to find the references anywhere still on the Wiki. It was probably on a talk page of some article that was deleted in an edit without being archived. The primary gist of it was this... any form of intimidation that went beyond a certain level of namecalling and usual wiki BS was a violation, ESPECIALLY if it included "real world"<sup>tm</sup> threats of harm or violence. Also included were any situation where hosted domains were used to damage the effectiveness of another website or host (as an example you couldn't use any part of the host to launch a d.o.s. attack on another domain. Not that this was really possible by anyone but Kevan. Also iirc the Wiki and the Game were on different hosts at teh time but I'm pretty sure that has changed since then. I don't know. I was never the techno-savant of the group and my memory is hazy. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Thanks Conn, that's a little bit of what I'm looking for. Just waiting for a response from the big man about all this now.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I also thought we had some basic terms on the wiki somewhere, but maybe we don't. The Poundhost terms of service are [http://www.poundhost.com/tos/ here]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Thank you, I'll start working on a page for the wiki.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 14:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|Semi-protection]] ==<br />
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...Was approved. I think all you have to do is change the autoconfirmed group to 1 week and 25 edits. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Going to update the config, it turns out that [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAutoConfirmCount $wgAutoConfirmCount] needs a later version of MediaWiki; this will either have to wait for a MediaWiki upgrade, or be reproposed without the edit count. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::We'll wait for the MediaWiki upgrade, there's no hurry. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wiki_Questions#Time_Travel?|Time Travel]] ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, we've just had a very weird thing happening with the edit histories. Where you trying to do something or was it just a bug? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No, I wasn't around at the time, I've no idea what that was about. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Okay, thanks. I'll do some poking at the Mediawiki help files if I have time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ever gonna update the game? ==<br />
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a lot of people are quitting the game.it's because you won't update the game. you need to push for 2-3 updates per month. i'm telling you so your game does not suffer. please update the game for the people's sake--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:How many games do you run, Yokotory? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Well I do run track and Cross-country. I ski on the weekends.Do you run at any games or track meets?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, rowing and weights are my sporting loves. The difference is that I'm not telling you how to run or ski, whilst you are trying to tell Kevan how to run a game which is heading toward four years of lifespan without once having had your help. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::I refuse to believe that Jerrel wasn't being a smartarse there. The concept of him actually taking your words in that way for real is just too retarded for words. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 06:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::He was kidding wasn't he?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I believe they call it intentional misinterpretation, an example of me employing that very device is on either Boxys or kareks talk page, something to do with alim and hagnat...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I was faced with the choice of believing that he's either cripplingly unfunny or a functionally illiterate retard. The evidence all pointed to 'Retard' so I went with that and answered as though serious.--[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 12:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
No, I'm telling him that his game is going into despair, whilist he is doing nothing about it.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And you're also telling him how to 'fix' it, which amounts to exactly what I said. Care to back up your claims? How far have numbers fallen in the last six months? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I really don't think a 'lack' of updates is the reason for dropping numbers. I'm not 100% sure the balance of some of the more recent updates is quite right but that isn't my call. But the game doesn't need a barrage of updates coming out every other month. The slow progression of the game over time gives it longer life than having quick fix after quick fix to keep people with low attention spans happy.--[[User:DI Marc Sweeny|DI Sweeny]] 01:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The numbers seems to have stagnated, actually. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
I'd like to thank you Kevan for taking your sweet time in updating the game. It's making it a little less full of people entirely incapable of self-motivation, thus making it more fun. Kudos to you sir. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Acctully Kevan is my idol. kevan is a good person for what he's doon.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 02:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Isn't this the dude who nominated himself for sysop after 200 edits? Yoko, do you think you could whip us up a cross-country and/or track MMORPG? Because that would be ''awesome''. Throw in some chainsaws, too, and maybe some crucifixes that shoot laser beams. You would totally show up Kevan! --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 04:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Okay, Now you all think I'm a retard. Sorry for pointing out what everyone else could not see. Sorry for pointing out the obvious. Most people in this game, (the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats, pardon me)would agree with me a think this game needs a freakin update. I take cybertonics and Coding as a special class at GU and I know it's hard to code, I've tryed it. But Kevan IS A TRAINED SPECIALIST. He could redo this entire game in a half hour if he wanted too. sooooo, whays a 1 UPDATE PER MONTH? is that so hard to ask?????<br />
add a new weopon, new builing, something. Please.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Last year kevan gave us 18 updates including 2 new cities. Give him a rest. {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And most all of them had someone complaining about the game being made harder or more complicated. A few legitimately, most because it screwed with their status quo. I have absolutely no clue why he would want to take his time between updates.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Making an update is a '''lot''' more than just coding it. The balance needs to be thought of thoroughly and it needs to be tested. These things take time. Sure, Kevan could probably push out ''one update a week'' if he wanted to and wasn't lazy, but those would be unbalanced and buggy updates. Unbalanced and buggy updates are more likely to drive people away than a lack of updates. The game simply doesn't need to change every month, not even every couple of months. If you find the game boring, ''go and do something interesting and different yourself''. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 09:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. Lots of rushed, unbalanced updates would simply destroy the game (and it has nearly [[On Strike|got to that point]] before.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Finally someone who agrees with me!!! Why drag out updates?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 21:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:"the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats" - Just so you know, I'm neither. Carry on. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm actually the only sysop to comment in this conversation - and I did it [[Talk:Main_Page#Out_of_date.3F|here]] (with the exception of Karek, who'll be [[A/DM|demoted soon.]]) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I find myself in the middle of this arguement, in terms of the two sides. On the one hand, I don't want Kevan to break the game balance every week, fix it and then break it in a different way the next week, but on the other I feel that an update is about due.<br />
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Besides, I think an update every two months or so isn't much of an ask, even if its just adding an item from the PR suggestions. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Can we please close this topic? Everyone wants to say something about Jerrel's ridiculous statement but I don't think it's worth the spam that it's leaving on Kevan's page. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Im sure on the 1st of april there will be an update. usually is! {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
Hey!!!! Everyone that wants an update should get together and go on strike!!!!!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop talking now. A strike for something as lame-assed as this is nothing short of pitiful. You are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
[[Image:Update.JPG]] because i had already done this and it seems a shame to waste such a half assed effort. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with both sides of this. I believe we need updates BIG TIME, but I also believe Jerrel has no right blaming Kevan. He's probably a busy man. As for a strike: No. Plain and simple. Now, can we stop spamming Kevan's pages please? Kthzbye. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::What do we so badly need an update for? The game is well balanced and has a fairly complex and robust play. More fiddly little detail skills likely won't improve that play any, and won't draw in / hold onto more players. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 06:40, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
Why won't Kevan Reply back to this?<br />
<br>I know i was being kind of offensive to you Kevan, so sorry.<br />
<br> But would you mind telling me WHY you won't update the game?<br />
I mean, you gave us two new cities last year!<br />
<br> and i appriciate it, but the game hasn't been updated since 2008!<br />
so, if you don't mind, i would really like to hear what you have to say.<br />
<br> (And please don't flip out on me, even though I have been a jerk)<br />
<br> And i'm also apologizing for being a jerk too.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 01:33, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Making new cities brings in motherfuckin' cash money. Adding skills and what have you doesn't. Comprende? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:28, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:We had an update just 15 days ago! --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 08:55, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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WE DID NOT! LOOK AT THE FREAKING UD START PAGE! NO UPDATE-PREHENDA?----[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 04:18, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Erm, the [[April Fool's]] Day update, the one that happens every year? My god you're dense. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:01, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
<nowiki>*facepalms*</nowiki><br />
<br>Sorry kevan, i usually get all my updates from the game.<br />
<br>nothing unusual happened to me on april 1st though.<br />
<br>i think i'm losing myself.<br />
<br>I AUTHERIZE TOPIC SELF-DESTRUCTION!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 15:52, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:In a word: Fail. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:59, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::He spams Kevan's talk page with so much crap I want to take him to VB... {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:36, 19 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:::I still say kevan should get some people to help him run the game, its rather fun and large for one person ot have to run alone. Oh and I'm not saying me, no I'd abuse it by banning a 4rth of the game and making revives harder again.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 23:58, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Donated Characters == <br />
Any chance that the "This character is no longer affected by the IP limit." banner that appears on your profile if you have donated $5 could be shown to everyone that visits the profile, not just the owner of the profile.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:exhibitionist. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And proud.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I think there's people who would not want that. Maybe if it was an option you could allow / turn off via settingas? {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:39, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I'd have it say "This character has been donated for.", but really, it's basically just showing off – link to your wiki page from your profile and [[Template:Donated|show off there]]. Oh, and I think you meant to post this in [[Developing Suggestions]]. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 08:12, 20 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I would totally come back to just pk people who have donated.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 04:37, 26 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::You've left?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 16:17, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Standing Zombies ==<br />
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Kevan, I can't find the topic from last time around, but the borehamwood stats. Standing zombies means literally that doesn't it. Active zombies with greater than 0 hit points? Not just active zombie characters? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:52, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Question about the last Update ==<br />
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"Survivors are once again looting the long-abandoned seasonal storerooms of the city's shopping malls, to find lights and trees for their safehouses." I'm assuming Christmas season in Malton is really long then, just wondering what kind of in game explanation we could use, --[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:01, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:"The snow has subsided and survivors are ready to feel bad about themselves again". Not that an explanation matters. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 03:11, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
::No, it's just5 that it seems awkward ot explain why we are still getting christmas trees in the middle of spring thats all: and we might wanna get a explanation, or kevan could take them out in a mini-update.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 2 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Where to suggest technical issues? ==<br />
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I have gathered [[User:Tumu/GameTech|a list of technical issues]] which might need a look (as they have been unfixed since 2007), but they don't exactly fit the bug reports page either (not user visible/annoying issues). Would this be more appropriate place to get a review for them? --[[User:Tumu|Tumu]] 09:26, 25 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:They do seem unlike those that go to [[Bug Reports]], but I think the best place ''would'' be to take them there. I'm only suggesting that however because no one else has given you any direction, and I apoligise for that. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:57, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Noted; there do seem to be a few weird oversights in there. Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:14, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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::Speaking of weird things, is it intentional for Flesh Rotters to get the benefits while alive? I'd have thought that since they were alive, their flesh wasn't rotting, so they wouldn't get the Flak+Body Building effects while alive. I'd like to know, because I'm going to make a suggestion to have it that way if its current effect is intended. if it's not intended, then this can be moved to Bug Reports. Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:41, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Bub's in danger! ==<br />
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Just so you know, a page dedicated to your character [[Bub]] is up for deletion. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:51, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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Yeah kevan please come and save that great page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:20, 29 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== A few things ==<br />
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Firstly, about that MediaWiki upgrade. Sorry if I'm pestering you, it's just that it would be quite useful (an upgrade to Checkuser would be nice as well, I've seen screenshots of a later version and it looks like it streamlines the process a little.)<br />
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Secondly, a user asked me the other day (a few weeks ago) about a problem he was having in my chatbox:<br />
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{{Quote|VI|Link, I need haaaaalp! I'm trying to make a shoutbox, here. The problem: when I, to get rid of the horizontal scrollbar, use "overflo*w:auto" instead of "overflow:scroll" the wiki's spam filter won't let me use that code. I don't know if you can edit the spamfilter (I'm wiki illiterate), but do you know how I can fix this? Thanks a ton. VI 22:05, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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I confirmed it myself, and wrote<br />
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{{Quote|Linkthewindow|Hmm... that's really odd. I can't edit the spam filter (at least not what I know of,) but I need to as Kevan about something {*cough*MediaWiki upgrade*cough*) so I'll ask him then. For future reference, I'll need this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features page]. Linkthewindow Talk 22:29, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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Finally, and on a pedantic note, would it be okay if you could turn the Guides namespace into a proper one? So [[Talk:Guides:Shelter]] is rendered as Guides talk:Shelter. As far as I know, there are a few in the Guide: namespace too, so we'll have some moving to do if this is done (sysops, of course.)<br />
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Thanks for your time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:58, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:I second this nudge.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:03, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:"over<nowiki></nowiki>flow:auto" is a standard spambot trick for hiding all their links in a 1px div, which I think we were having trouble with a few years ago. The filtering is possibly hardcoded somewhere.<br />
:If there's general support for another namespace, point me at the discussion and I'll add it.<br />
:Updating MediaWiki is on the list, but below "update the actual game" at the moment. I'll fit it in when I can. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:12, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Okay, then thanks. It's not a big deal about the spam filter, I'll start a discussion at [[Talk:Guides]] (although I can't see it being a big deal) and thanks about the upgrade. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:15, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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Kevan will doo it! Also, happy very belated birthday (13 May?) assuming your Amazon wishlist is correct!<tt>:D</tt> --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:24, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Oh, and don't [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|forget about this]] <tt>;)</tt>. And happy belated birthday! Only one month late. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:24, 4 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Suggesting Suggestions Change ==<br />
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I want your opinion on a proposed change I have to the Suggestions Layout. I’d think it would be more efficient to have a normal suggestions area, a clothing suggestions area, and a humorous suggestions area, all with links listed one after the other on the main voting page. I also see the humorous suggestions layout is a bit confusing, and I would recommend splitting it into 2 parts, the funny and the non-funny, then splitting it into the many categories (areas of effect) under each heading. I’d also ask if the humorous suggestions voting process would become something similar to the normal process, with each suggestion open for 2 weeks, but no SPAM votes (just FUNNY or NOT FUNNY). Would this be a viable option? I’d think the layout changes should at least make it easier to find and view them all.<br />
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I would also like to know if there’s a process for suggesting that certain stuff be added to the Frequently Suggested section on the main voting area. There seem to be some common ones I’d like to have added to the list.<br />
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I also have a question about the normal voting process that only you can answer. Does SPAM=STRONG KILL? I see it’s still a common issue today, and it’s still debated if you can vote SPAM for a strong kill, or only vote SPAM if a suggestion is game-breaking or horribly unnecessary. Also, could you check the voting guidelines section and make sure it matches whatever your decision is? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:46, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:In too many years of wasted time here I don't recal Kevan ever directly commenting on suggestions (or indeed much of anything else) so I doubt he is going to start now. Personally I wouldn't worry about where a suggestion heads just so long as its not unjustly '''SPAMMED''' and that's pretty rare. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:51, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::He does things every once in a while, when it actually requires his attention. Normally his hands off approach works pretty well because we manage to handle everyhting.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:58, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Okay, well, what are your takes on this then?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 18:11, 23 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Huge Ruin bug could leave the whole of [[Borehamwood]] caded in less than a month. ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, <br />
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Wednesday night a member of my borehamwood survivor group did a very large suicide repair, when he logged himself back on, he found he had 50ap and the building was repaired.<br />
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Thursday night, I attempted my own suicide repair and yet again the same thing happened.<br />
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We've done a lot of suicide repairs and as such we know that these were the highest repairs we have attempted. And they both worked. To check our findings, we asked another survivor to repeat the experiment, to confirm our spadework was correct. <br />
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It was. Not only that, but this survivor was able to enact the repair, recade the building to ehb and then enact ANOTHER suicide repair, which left them BACK on 50ap. In fact the survivor managed to repeat this 6 times. With one character. In one day. Before the 300 IP for one character kicked in. <br />
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At this time 4 of us survivors know the exact technique, but at least 10 others are pretty close to working it out (AP levels etc). I reckon by sunday all 51 survivors will have worked it out.<br />
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As it stands the whole challenge of surviving borehamwood is moot. We can't do coma repairs on 99% of buildings without this happening, and Im not expecting zeds to hang around with this giant loophole. It also destroys the smugness us survivors have from surviving for 6 months. <br />
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All 4 survivors who do know the trick have currently stopped repairing buildings within the range, but I can't control the whole population.<br />
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At the minute survivors could repair the whole of NE Borehamwood, Radlett or Elstree in a day, 1 survivor could reclaim the big brother house on their own, <br />
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Apologies for the lack of screenshots, but with permadeath as it is, we don't want to give away our position. <br />
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It seems to be a dupe of the following case on bug reports. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Bug_Reports#Massively_negative_AP_causes_AP_reset<br />
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Apologies for posting it here, but I felt the game breaking nature of this bug warrants the intrusion. Let me know if you need more details. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Thanks. Building repair has now been temporarily disabled in Borehamwood and Monroeville, while this is fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:46, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::When you say massive repair, do you mean it's bringing you to under -255 AP? I could think of some weird wrapping thing happening when the AP gets too negative and it tries to make it positive or something, capping at the 50 AP norm. 255's the magic number for how large a single byte can represent. It's may have something to do with what type of data Kevin's storing AP with - integer, double, float, etc. (whoo edit conflicted by Kevan) --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:49, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::The cutoff point (Now its banned) is -150ap Any suicide repair that takes you below this value creates the reset. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::::Very strange... -150 to 50 is a range of 200, nothing particularly significant. Then again, I have no idea how Kevan coded AP regen. Now the big repair costs have come back to bite in an ironic kind of way, eh? :P --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:53, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Its quite a wide range. Theres probably been only a handful of such building in Malton's history. Borehamwood has a whole cities worth. If it takes a while kev can we have an amnesty in the cities? Those pesky zeds are always chewing on our cades. I wouldn't mind but I've only got one life. :).--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:55, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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:This bug has now been fixed, and repairs have been enabled again in the other two cities. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:08, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Thanks Kevan! Swiftly done I must say. May all your future updates be bug free.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:10, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Twenty minutes... I'm hella impressed. Thanks for fixing this. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 17:18, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Wut? But half way up are the oldest posts, then they go up, then they go down... Thsi page is confusing ...--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Pointless [[Borehamwood]] request == <br />
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Can we have a public broadcasting system too? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:57, 3 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks for updating ==<br />
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Just wanted to say thanks for updating the game, I realize it's probably not high on your list of priorities. I'm sure everyone who plays appreciates it. --[[User:Mike411|Mike411]] 00:25, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
: Same here, Thanks Kev --[[User:Imthatguy|Imthatguy]] 04:41, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|This bug]] ==<br />
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As promised, I'm just giving you a heads up regarding [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|this display error]] that happens when UDToolbar interacts with the new update. We suspected it was a clash between the UDToolbar's manual HP colouriser and the new update colouriser, and Moonshine was able to go through some code to try and give you a hand. You may have already seen it, but hopefully what Moonshine and others have done can help you. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 14:27, 6 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Grammar Error==<br />
Just so you know, there's a grammatical error in the Fort Transmitter broadcast message:<br />
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''You broadcast [message] on 25.97 MHz, the using the fort's secure channel.''<br />
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It isn't going to break the game or anything, but it does make it look a little... 'sloppy'. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 21:54, 5 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:There is a page to report these [[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead|here]]. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<big><u><span style="color:DarkSlateGray">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkBlue ">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkSlateBlue">ℜ</span></u></big>]] 03:30, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:18, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Open Discussion/Borehamwood How Was It For You?]] ==<br />
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Community opinions on Borehamwood Collected in one place. Hope it helps with future projects. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:07, 13 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Something that might give you a laugh... ==<br />
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Here I was bored and tired so I wrote this, I thought it might be funny and I think you may find it even more so given it's nature, [[Developing_Suggestions#TUCOK_-BBHHN-_.28The_United_Churches_Of_Kevan.29_-Blessed_be_his_holy_name- (The United Churches Of Kevan) -Blessed be his holy name-]] -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 09:16, 24 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Upgrading the wiki again ==<br />
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It's about that time of year. The wiki could use an upgrade, among the various features mentioned many times in the past that upgrading to a more up to date mediawiki version would provide as of [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] there is now a NewUsers log, which would be invaluable for catching throw away and vandal alt accounts like [[User:Izumi]] and [[User:3pwv]] used to use along with actually making user efforts to be welcoming like [[Welcomenewbie]] accountable and possibly useful. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] also brought in the ability to view deleted user contributions(instead of just the current ones) for sysops, the ability to omit diffs after rollback, and a fix at least one particularly exploitable checkuser bug that would allow users to screw with the ability for sysops to search the logs.<br /><br />I'd mention some of the features in previous version updates but I'm sure by now you're pretty well aware of them as it's been brought up many times in the past. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14], though, would significantly increase the ability for sysops to do their jobs when dealing with actual page vandalism and adbot spam along with helping the wiki, in general, run more smoothly from day to day.<small>([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.15 1.15])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.13 1.13])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.12 1.12])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.11 1.11])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.10 1.10])</small>--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:40, 1 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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== FYI re: "satellite phone" ==<br />
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Hi. So I recently wrote a Greasemonkey script that adds a "satellite phone" to the game. It's a simple messaging system with a user interface that embeds itself into the game, by modifying the rendered page in the user's browser, as Greasemonkey does. The thing does resemble the in-game mobile phone quite a lot, by design. Here's [[DSS Satellite Phone|more info]].<br />
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This was discussed in Brainstock [http://s1.zetaboards.com/brainstock/topic/2220895/], and some people complained about it. It was said that this unbalances the game, "overpowers" a game item, bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages. This wasn't a general opinion--I certainly find it all a bit silly--but someone then suggested that what should be done would be reporting it to you, letting you decide if this extension is improper somehow.<br />
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I thought that was sensible, so I'm "reporting myself," in a way. Just posting it here as an FYI, so you are aware of this. Cheers. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 09:15, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:Sounds like the same kinda nonsense that would see forums done away with for everyone that isn't a survivor. That thread reads very much like the person who started it did so with that intent in mind. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:00, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:: Hey that was me! I started that thread, you can clearly see my name :-( , I just started it as someone mentioned it in game and I was wondering about peoples views on it thats all.---[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 06:35, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::karek i have ''no'' idea what you're talking about whatsoever.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:18, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::''"bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages"'', the whole thread cited is mostly a few people complaining because they don't like metagaming, not particularly even regarding the tool in question. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:19, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::That being said, email tends to get a better response rate/time from him depending on the title/content/sender. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:24, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Right, cheers Karek. Thing is, I'm not really expecting a response, and I'm not comfortable spamming his mailbox with this. I really do think this is all rather silly. I'm sure the game will survive my script long enough for him to read this at his convenience here. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 06:14, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::From the sounds of it, it's just a script that facilitates metagaming. Like using MSN, or as we do, IRC... except done in-game. There's nothing zerg-tastic about it, nor does it collect data in ways that might be perceived as unfair, like DEMON or UDBrain. There's no reason to worry about what some git on Brainstock said (and BS is chock full of gits...), don't sweat it --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:20, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::::Wonder what they say about us :*( --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 07:15, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::::They don't think about us, because they're not aware we exist. Most BSers really aren't too aware that there's a whole big world of UD players outside their little board. Well, ok, I think many are vaguely aware that zombies have this forum called bar-something-dot-something. And I think most of them are aware of the DEM subgroup called Red Rum; but this subgroup was created to give the appearance of in-game competition, to get around Malton's strong antitrust laws, so it basically counts as part of their self-enclosed milieu. Finally, many of them have used the wiki, but none of them will ever admit it, it's ''that'' taboo a subject. But other than that, to BSers, there is little other than BS. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:25, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Hello Kevan. No one pestering you on this page for over a month? Crazy. Just wondering if you were planning anything for [[Borehamwood]]'s big first birthday? Its only 2 days away after all........--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I know! Blow it up! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Nuke the Big Brother House! Finally, some reality TV worth watching. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Or halve the size of monroeville everyday. No one would suspect that! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::-Let alone notice it. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 02:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Kill anything and everything in Malton. That would be a TRUE surprise.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'd be interested to see if survivors could recover. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 05:29, 27 October 2009 (BST)<br />
::Of course we could! It would take about two weeks, but we could easily do it. If you wan;t ill explain on a talk page other than the big bosses. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Tommy guns. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Halloween update timestamps ==<br />
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Seem to be missing on the new kill messages [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/11-01-09_0100hrs_PRIVATE/IN_62-14__954-071-ba1.html example] also confirmed broken without any extensions/scripts {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 02:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I realise this may very well be a feature of the halloween event but with the changing of the kill messages the missing timestamps are a bit strange, just making sure you're aware {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 04:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, it's not just a lack of timestamps. I've noticed that all of the ones that lack timestamps are also for people that are not at my location. For instance, in [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Anubis_IV/urbandead/halloween_change_bug.png this screenshot], the ones with timestamps are for people actually at my location, while none of the ones without them were people at my location (there were more actions under those, but they all had timestamps and were for people at my location). It's also interesting that some of the groups of events that took place repeat themselves a few times, and that "to talk" showed up as a contact of mine, despite the fact that he isn't. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::<s>i'm guessing it's part of the halloween event thingy, i thought the implementation of the weapon name killings screwed up because there's no period or timestamp following but now i think about it it actually makes sense to neglect them if you're going to mass fake kill people... OHEY IS THAT SOMETHING SHINY OVER THERE *runs* {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 06:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
:::This doesn't seem to be like april fools where everything is just a joke but rather quite the serious bug, they're actual events happening elsewhere in the city {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 11:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Fixed. Looks like there may have been some minor echoes from kills elsewhere in the city. It was a bug, but consider it an eerie halloween event. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Could I have a clarification, please? This bug didn't create events but some simply appeared in a different location from where they actually occurred. Correct? --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 12:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it was a bug, I can't be 100% sure. Don't kill anyone over it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::Awww, man... Alright, then! *grins* Fair enough! --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 05:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Question about Malton ==<br />
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Is Malton considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_borough metropolitan borough] and a city similar to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester Manchester] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool Liverpool] or is it considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_county metropolitan county] with each suburb being a metropolitan borough? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leave it to Akule to bring up a question like that. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I always thought of it as a city state. Like, I don't know, Monaco or something. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The same wiki that gives you the examples also gives the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malton,_North_Yorkshire answer]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::...yes, but I didn't think the fictional city of Malton was actually the real city of Malton. You know, based on the fact it is nothing [http://www.ryedale.co.uk/ryedale/malton/malton.html like it]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, there has been hints that it was based in England, but I was just curious to know how much of it was based on being located in England. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::You've never thought to know more about Malton? ;) --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::D'eh...MAYBE?!?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Borehamwood throws up even more questions, as being based on dead set IT IS based in england. Borehamwood has no gun stores in its shopping centres, and only 2 railway stations and supermarkets, so it would appear Malton IS somewhere different. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Strike time==<br />
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I am hearby requesting a striking of a ban from my vandal record as i have reached the requirements as per policy. I will be placing this request on an assortment of your peers talk pages so as to insure that this time, my striking isn't mysteriously postponed so as to further tarnish my record despite no wrong doing on my part. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 15:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Update-ah==<br />
So, what's the word on the updates being done to the wiki? Just making sure you don't forget ;) --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 18:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass >:| {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Are you in support of the Copenhagen Summit?==<br />
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Bascially I'm asking if we're having snow this year. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It's on its way. And I'm fairly comfortable with the carbon footprint of a zombie apocalypse. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers. I was wondered that the server itself was snowbound, swindon being as cold as it is. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Just realised how badly this might screw perma death survivors. Hmm. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Hmm. How long is '''temporary''' Kevan? How many hours do they take to fade? Also some of the fields in permadeath cities don't look that snowy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:17, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I can confirm this. Only one of the field colours has turned white.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's random, but averages to six hours. Fields should be fixed now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::The fields are fixed.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Any chance of bloody snow for outdoor deaths? --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 02:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::it exists check it out [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/12-22-09_2100hrs_PRIVATE/OUT_15-78__210-11a-044.html] "thick snow splashed with blood" "Blood <br />
soaks into the snow." --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 02:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== urbandead.org ==<br />
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I presume you have probably seen this but it looks like a phishing site for peoples log in, just thought I inform you of it incase you want to take action.--[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 01:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
: If you check out the "revive que" there are [[MoB]] members as well as this gentlemen [[User:GasCandle]] who is banned from editing the wiki. I didn't dig much further into the "revive list" once I saw that gentlemen. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I looked a little further and the /whois looks made up http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.org which is why a few people have mentioned it might be a scam. --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 02:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::The person who created the suspicious website has changed it. If you want to see screenshots from before it was changed, or see his explanation, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Ripf22|the A/VB case]]. --{{User:Jasonjason/sig}} 22:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Spawning]]==<br />
Just finished writing an article on it. I have a question that I can't really find out from spadework. If there were no Necrotech's in Malton below Heavily Barricaded, where would new Necrotech Assistant's spawn?<br />
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Also, UD is still only copyrighted until 2009 and I discovered a grammatical error I posted on the relevant page. Thanks. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Typos fixed. Under the current code, NecroTech staff would just start on the streets somewhere. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 08:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers fearless leader. I wish you well with the April 1st update. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 08:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hey, lazybones! ==<br />
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When the fuck are you going to get around to fixing the Goddamn game? Love 'n' kisses --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 08:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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While you're at it, try to get urbandead popular again, the number of active characters is starting to drop below 20000, maybe it's time for some advertising, eh? --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Urban Dead might be popular if it wasn't such a broken game! What with the radical, nigh-unplayable imbalance that makes it utterly pointless to play a zombie. Oh, and that worthlessness carrying over to making it such a breeze to play a survivor. I mean there's absolutely no point in being a survivor when you can just stroll around the city without risking your neck. I mean even a large, dedicated horde of zombies (of which the game has, like, ''two'') can't hold back one tenth their number in survivors.<br />
:For a zombie apocalypse game, there are fuck all zombies and there is fuck all apocalypse. The only way anyone really has fun is either griefing or sitting around roleplaying all day. And who the fuck can grief properly when the game is a buggy, unfinished pile of shit that makes it literally impossible for one of the sides to win? Not to mention that if all you're doing in game is roleplaying, what's to stop you from just doing it on a forum? Oh wait, nothing whatsoever, which is why the fucking unofficial forums for this game have more action than the game itself.<br />
:Urban Dead is broken, Kevan shows no interest in even ''looking into'' the billions of problems it has, so you're better off closing your browser and playing Left 4 Dead or something. Y'know, that's the zombie apocalypse game where the survivors face a credible threat that can't simply be trounced by locking a door and pushing a vending machine in front of it. '''FIX THE FUCKING GAME.''' --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:38, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Have you chaps considered that you're horrifically ungrateful for a ''free'' game that's meant to be a 5 minute distraction? --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Some of us have actually given money to this game, by the way. It's not unheard of that people do pay for things online. If he removes the DONATE button then maybe we won't "have the right" to complain anymore, but until then I and others are paying customers wanting some damned customer service. But you keep that smug attitude because I'm sure it's helping you go far in life!--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not ungrateful, but I'd like to continue to play urbandead which I won't be able to do if the numbers of players keep dropping forcing Kevan to eventually pull the plug. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Well this "chap" thinks that if you're going to release something for public consumption, it shouldn't '''suck'''. The fact remains that the game is unbalanced, which makes it unfun. If, say, World of Warcraft made it so that the Horde had 1/10th the hit rate of the Alliance, Blizzard would be fucking crucified. Free or not, lousy design is lousy design. I'm not saying this out of ''entitlement'' or anything retarded like that, I am saying it as someone who wants to play the game without being gimped to fuck just because I want to be a zombie instead of a survivor. Of course, the alternative is for me (and the thousands of others who feel this way) to stop playing a game that is basically designed at the very basest level to screw us over. Then, WHOOPS! Goodbye donations and ad revenue! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 23:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I actually think that what 'ruined' the game (at least balance wise) was zombies... The very fact that they sucked to play forced people to either leave or organize, net result mega hordes that were basically unstoppable and forced buffs for survivors to give them a chance while making it even less rewarding to play a feral zed. To all intent and purpose this game has more sides than it was ever designed for. We have survivors and zombies but each of those are split into different play styles which the mechanics struggle to balance. Basically survivors are better at killing other survivors than zombies are and zombies often end up killing other zombies more than actual survivors. Hell, some survivors max out without even seeing a zombie and the game set-up makes it an unrewarding struggle to level a new character in a city full of veterans. At the end of the day I think this game needs to evolve before it dies.... New (short lifespan) cities are probably the best way forwards in my opinion because the early days with their actual struggle to survive against 'equals' are great fun, the sense of discovery of a new place also really adds spice too. But hey, too many people seem attached to their maxed characters that they hardly ever play anymore to even contemplate such a thing! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I think most of us will agree that ''something'' needs to be done, which is exactly what isn't happening or at least it seems that way. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Maybe fixing the '''ABYSMAL''' hit rates for zombies might help. I mean, ''supposedly'' I have a 30% chance of hitting with a bite attack against a given target for 1 AP. Now, I can easily spend (and have spent) 15 AP and only hit on that last, 15th attempt. What are the chances of this happening? Mathematically, you say it was (3/10)^15, or a 0.000001% chance. That isn't "bad luck", that goes beyond "bad luck" and into the realms of "your coding is so shitty if I saw it I would try to flush". There is actually more chance of me rolling the same number 10 times in a row on a regular six-sided die than there is of me missing that many attacks. But it happens, it happens frequently, and it's one of the billion reasons why this game needs a severe overhaul, and/or someone competent working on it. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 02:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::No one cares about your opinion. But is that why you've resorted to spamming Kevan rather than stick to your own 'zombie improvements' in your userspace; you realise no one cares anymore? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 02:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
Katthew actually makes some damn good points rather than resorting to ad hominem. [[Groove Theory]] would not be possible with a properly implemented RNG, but [[Bug Reports#Groove Theory is working again|oh, whoops]]! Also, Honestmistake, what game are ''you'' playing? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 10:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:These days? Mostly Bobwars (wigbl.com)... What exactly is it you don't agree with in my post though? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Sadly, I kinda agree with Honest, feral zombies have it extremely hard these days. They need to follow hordes around or just lay around and wait for destruction in their suburbs. Once the horde is gone though, their goes the bulk of your food. Its almost beneficial nowadays to be a killer or a survivor and thats it (assuming your not in a horde). --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 15:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Or just sit tight. Even a modest number of zeds can keep most buildings ruined. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I demand that the game be "fixed" so that those who can't get laid will have something to do before and after they masturbate! HELP THEM, KEVAN! You're their only hope... --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 17:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Well looky, a whole cluster fuck load of whining.<br />
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Want more people to play? Go and fucking recruit them yourselves. Don't ask Kevan to fork out even more from his own pocket so that your enjoyment of this free game is improved. You spend the money. You put the work in. Alternately you all could shut the fuck up.<br />
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Want some changes? The FAQ says quite clearly to put them through the suggestions system rather than whine here like a bunch of fucking fort dwellers. Want Kevan to build you your own city to your own ideas? He's done it before for distribution companies, just do the same thing they did. Pay the man. Kevan's a professional, pay him his hourly rate if you want something. You're entitled to shit for free. He's nice enough to continue to let the game be played for free, so let's say enough with the comparisons to the money gouging and spyware installing World of Warcrack. Ask the man nicely how much your own city would be, plus an hourly rate for any bugs that appear, plus a negotiated set figure of each major update. Then go have a bake sale, car wash or just start selling organs on the black market and give Kevan the money for the work you want him to do.<br />
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Put your money where your whining is. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Back when I was an admin and I moderated the Suggestions page with an '''IRON FIST''', it was still a worthless piece of shit. These days it is approximately fifty gajillion times more useless and shitty. Kevan doesn't read it any more than he reads any other section of this wiki, not even just because he's lazy as sin, but also because they're not worth reading. Also, I've already dragged people into this game. Maybe you remember [[The Dead]]? You know, the 10,000-strong superhorde that practically ''wrecked the entire fucking game?'' All me, bitch. I got that shit ''going''. Because unlike you, I am one proactive motherfucker who doesn't sit around doing shit-all.<br />
:So don't you fucking talk to me about recruiting people to play this game, you measly-mouthed little cumstain. I brought in more than you could possibly imagine with that withered rectum you call your brain. But hardly any of those people stayed around. Do you know why? Because '''''THEY GOT TIRED OF PLAYING A BROKEN PIECE OF SHIT GAME WHERE THEIR CHOSEN SIDE WAS DELIBERATELY NERFED AND FUCKED OVER AT EVERY CONCEIVABLE TURN.''''' That is what killed The Dead, you scurrilous prick-hungry cockholster - the fact the game '''sucks'''. We weren't beaten by any survivor group, we never even considered any survivor group to be more than the metaphorical bug on the windshield. Ten thousand zombies, motherfucker, and even with the ridiculously low hit rates, nonexistent RNG and inverse XP curve, we ruined your pathetic little world. If it hadn't been for all the flaws that UD has, driving away almost every single new player we drafted in, we'd have killed every last survivor in the city and turned it into a true zombie apocalypse.<br />
:So fuck you a million times up your gaping, cavernous asshole. I know what I'm talking about, and I know more about what ''you're'' talking about than you could ever hope to. Now sit the fuck down while the grown-ups have their chat, sweetie. We'll get you some crayons and glue, so you can cram them into your snotty orifices until you suffer fatal brain damage. Kiss kiss! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Awww, poor cutie, is it too much if someone disagrees with you? I see you missed the major point, given you're ''so'' proactive and have such a large group of minions, why haven't you rallied them to donate a sum of money so that you can pay Kevan to make the game that you believe is fair? It's a very simple question. Kevan works for money, as proven by Borehamwood and Monroeville, if you want a map with your 'improvements' incorporating then you have to provide the same incentive that two distribution companies already did. Shouldn't be hard, after all you are ''"one proactive motherfucker"''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::There are points on both sides, but Katthew wins for making me laugh more than Is's logic makes sense.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkTurquoise">Big</span>]][[User:Cyberbob240/Classifications|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> Cat</span>]] 08:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, what killed the Dead was all the whining survivors that couldn't handle a "zombie apocalypse" and needed the syringe find rate to be upped to almost 100%. But come on, Katthew, don't be a bitch. Little Issy's Mall Tour had what 300 zombies? Awwwww, that was the same number as the Central horde of the Dead. You know, back when it was winding down and most people wanted to be in the East or West coast Hordes. But, no, I'm sure he knows all about running big bad zombie hordes. I'd really like to know how much money The Dead generated for Kevan with ad revenue and people buying no IP limit. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Feeling left out DCC? Never mind, go create yourself a couple of new accounts to agree with yourself, that'll make you feel better. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Good gum, you're actually still whining. How clear does this have to be? '''Kevan doesn't owe you jackshit'''. It's a browser game that is '''free to play''' and pretty cool if you spend about 5-15 minutes on it. If you want a game that you can put all of your obsessive time into, then go ''buy'' one. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: As for the whole "I donated, so he '''owes''' me", the key is in the name; ''donation''. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Massively pointless question #95==<br />
The "Are you sure?" Messages received when you A) Attempt to buy brain rot, and B) Attempt to jump from a building. Do they count towards your IP hits? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm going to say yes to the first (as it reloads the map screen) and no to the second as it's on the skills screen. The IP hits total is only known to count on the map screen, not on skills, settings or profile screens. Unless Kevan says different. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::oh, and I demand another easter egg hunt. Perhaps with bunnies this time around. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:03, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If he gets a hunt for chocolate eggs I want a button that allows me to nail sanctimonious pricks to trees as it's a much older tradition for this time of year. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:19, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::''Iscariot makes sly comment about organised religion.'' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:08, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: I'd like to see zombies replaced with rabbits for a day. Stronger bite! EAR DAMAGE. Hop for 1AP --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Settling a bet==<br />
While you're here reading this, settle a bet for me, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARapture&diff=1683378&oldid=1683265 do you enjoy all the money that zergers provide you?] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:00, 30 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you're asking whether I give any leniency to players who've donated, when they've done something that would merit a character being disabled - no, I don't. Donation status doesn't factor into any of the alt-abuse or banning scripts. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:01, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::I think the players in question are working off the assumption that them having more characters means more views of the ads connected in the game and that equals more money for you. It wasn't meant to question your impartiality at all, just a question of economics when connected to the game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:35, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::No, this isn't a consideration when banning characters. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:08, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Game updates==<br />
I'm sure things are updated regularly, for maintance, ect.,.... things that wouldn't normally be reflected in the game updates. Just out of curiosity, what is the current status of the "Game Updates" though? I noticed there seems to be a lack of them here latly (not that it's a bad thing, or that I mind), it's just that I was curious as to your thoughts, and opinions on the subject.... -{{User:Poodle_of_doom/signiture}} 04:27, 7 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==April Fools?==<br />
A couple days before April Fools i was surfing the wiki and decided to look it up. The pranks there were hilarious! Especially the 2008/2009 ones. I couldn't wait to see what would come out next. But nothing happened and the wiki said you didn't do anything. Any specific reason? And yes i know Kevan is busy and yes i know we're thankful its a free game i'm just curious --{{User:Gt71/Sig}} 21:52, 27 April 2010<br />
:I was actually halfway through some other updates in late March, and decided against diverting any of that development time for an April Fool's joke. In the end, I didn't have time to put anything live - April's been busy, but I hope to get back to those main updates in the next week or so. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:37, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
::Excellent. Kevan, as you're here, with the perma death cities is it fair to assume all updates are carried over into all three citys? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:22, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Pretty much. If a mechanic would unduly unbalance remaining gameplay in the other cities I'd make them exempt from it, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:29, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hey Kevan==<br />
What's up? How are things in the real world? I haven't been around Urban Dead that often in the past few weeks, but it seems like little has changed... aside from the survivor/zombie ratio being the worst it's been in years, but that's besides the point. <br />
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On that note, would you happen to have an opinion on the "[[Escape]]" gathering in western Malton? <br />
Just thought I'd say hi, --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 07:36, 5 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Open Accounts==<br />
Currently, in Woodborne NT in Owsleybank, there are a few characters with names that make it blindingly obvious that they're open. Their names are [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1012934 mypasswordispassword], [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1743445 mypasswordispenis], and [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1367615 mypasswordishelpme]. Knowing your stance on open or communal accounts, I decided to bring them to your attention. --[[User:Shank Case|Shank Case]] 02:06, 25 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== June 1 ==<br />
It seems appropriate on this date of great expectation (Read that: ESCAPE) to reflect on a simple fact; I have taken many hours of pleasurable distraction from your game. I have enjoyed meeting people from around the world and the various schemes and factions they have created using your game as a springboard for their own creativity. While I live in New England, I have traveled to the other side of the globe and yet-I can honestly say I "know" more people around the world as a result of this little game then in all those thousands of miles of travel. So while I have "contributed" it would seem at least good manners to say thank you for what you have done. I have only been playing for close to a year, and I hear many folks voicing opinions about the "state of the game". I just thought it might be appropriate to suggest that the reason they feel so strongly about it is because it is a flexible well designed system that has added millions of hours of gaming to people worldwide. So, thanks for your efforts and creativity.--[[User:Belisarius17|Belisarius17]] 04:50, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Nudge ==<br />
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That pre April updates taking its time now. The anticipation is killing me. There's some discussion going on about changes to Monroeville. Is it something you would consider, or as it was sponsored by others are your hands tied about what you can do with it? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:57, 26 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:Well UD's 5th birthday is coming up on July 3rd, we can cross our fingers and hope it's the update we've been waiting for. I hope it's another Easter Egg hunt, but with potatoes! -- [[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 07:27, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
::my paper hat is a bit battered. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:49, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Happy Birthday! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:51, 3 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Update me already.... :) -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:32, 9 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Radio Filter ==<br />
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Apparently, the radio filter also affects the military channel (25.96MHz). There any way to disable it on this station? {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 19:46, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:Teehee. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:48, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Muhahahahaha. Is it [[The Mycock Building|Mycock]] ? shits so [[ALiM]]. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::ps wtf is this radio filter and where did it come from? user made or kevan made? etc etc{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:39, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If you broadcast something vulgar, it will replace the word with *static*. It's been this way since the introduction of radios. The problem is that many buildings contain the word cock, and thus can't be broadcast. It's been brought up before, but they didn't mention the EMR channel. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 06:51, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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Epic design flaw fail! If only Kevan didn't have such a dirty mind! --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 11:17, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Offensive in-game names? ==<br />
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Are there any rules re what one can name their character? Are there not ''any'' limits? I recently ran into NIGGERHATER88 (yes, all capitalization - that's a copy/paste) and they're not a new character by any means - really? Really?! --[[User:Swingin' Sam|Swingin&#39; Sam]] 19:00, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you don't like someone, kill them. It shuts them up in real life, why wouldn't it work here? --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 19:07, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:fuck off it's a free game suck it the fuck off or go play wow. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:10, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Just for your information, 88 means HH — the Hitler salute. This guy is definitely a Neo-Nazi.<br />
::If Kevan isn't going to ban him, then killing him is the way to go. Just treat him like a [[Ignore List|text rapist]]. I'm against PKing in general, but such despicable people deserve it.<br />
::And the above poster could benefit from [[Civility]] as well. -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 22:04, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I just love you militant anti-nazi types. You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs ''is fascism itself''. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means ''allowing'' people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:12, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Or more likely, he's simply a troll. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, for the reasons Mis outlined. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:17, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::^ --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 00:18, 21 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::<3 mis. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:48, 22 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Deadline ==<br />
[[Image:Emot-argh.gif|100px]] --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:22, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:{{Quote|Buzz Lightyear|You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.}}<br />
:[[Big Bash 3|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-size: 80%">&hearts;</span>]] [[User:MoonShine|<span style="color:Black">'''Moonie'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:MoonShine|Talk]] | [[User:MoonShine/Testimonials|Testimonials]]</sup></small> 12:51, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::<span title="He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's pro-zombie, as it obviously needs to be.">I disagree. He can take as long as he wants. He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's fair and balanced.</span> --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 20:20, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Two Months later, Kevan responds by implementing [[20070314_Zombie_Rocket_Launchers|Zombie Bazookas]].--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 20:31, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Noes! Still, I don't think working with a deadline is a good idea if your not going to keep it. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:39, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::He must have had a problem coding [[Suggestion:20100616 Binocular Sniping|Binocular Sniping]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:40, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hate\Race based groups ==<br />
What are your views on Urban Dead being used by Hate groups ?<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Combat_18<br />
With the user using imagery in attempt to bring race into the game. Eg: <br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Cornholioo<br />
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I don't this is the actual RL group, just some pathetic little teen with anger issues. But still ? Should we look forward to the arrival of the KKK. Al Queda(?), Black Power, Mongrel Mob and the Care Bears ?<br />
--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 20:36, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Look just two headers above this. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::Why ? - this isn't about offensive names in-game as I email those to Kevan. Its about losers spewing their race\religion hate in the wiki thinking that they have the "right to". Didnt some of pH get banned for the 9\11 phased crap in game ?<br />
:From what I gathered of the YouTube video Cornholioo posted, it does look like Combat 18 is an actual, real life neo-Nazi group. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:15, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::They are. There was an old Louis Theroux doc on them. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:17, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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Shall I make the Red Hand Commando's\Real IRA\Al Qeada pages now then and target any British\US based group ?--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:04, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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{{Quote|Misanthropy|You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs is fascism itself. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means allowing people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose.}}<br />
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::::Jesus its like talking to school children. This isn't real life, this isnt a political arena, people have no politcal rights here. This is a game and what Kevan says gos.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:10, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::Yes it is like talking to school children. In five years has anyone ever been banned for anything other than zerging? No. Not once. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:16, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::This isn't about ingame characters (Also back in 05 I beleive offensive names were also nuked) this is about the wiki policy on HateGroups. The wiki is different to ingame as a user can contact any group or individual in a split second? and post there hate imagery\text on any page. Yet there is no policy only the rustling of paper under the false pretence any user here actually has any rights at all.. --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:29, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::If it's about the wiki then you'll get nowhere, there's not a single sysop corrupt enough to ban users/groups based solely on their beliefs. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:32, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Well obviously thats why I'm posting here as this isn't real life so a users beliefs don't come into it, but what they post on wiki pages. Being non-white I take offense at that and the wiki administartion deosnt appear willing to act --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:44, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::We are not going to act. We're not going to ban groups based on content. [[Columbine Kids]], [[Nazi Party of Malton]], etc, etc, have not been banned, nor will this one. Yes it is offensive to people. So is the insult "faggot" but nothing has ever been done about its usage, nor about a million and one percieved wrongs. All you have to do is simply ignore the one sole user causing your offense, and he's liable to end up getting himself banned anyway, or he'll wander off due to not being given the attention he craves. Asking for the rules to be different for one group of users than for another is just wrong. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:49, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm asking for Kevans opmnion , not yours otherwise I would have posted on your talk page.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:51, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::As much as we'd all love to see less hate here,... you're arguing against one of the wiki janitors,... you know, the guys who take care of this place on Kevan's behalf... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:55, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::Yes I have seen the sterling work you perform on his behalf, however I dont think there is a difference between a) banning a user ouright (Where race hate has no place in a simple game(not real life)) and b)Or saying he id allowed his views but then have wiki administrators trolling the user with a view to entrapping him into a rant, thus leading him to his ban. I would have thought a janitors role was to be impartial and not provoke a user knowing how he will react--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 09:56, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::I agree with some of your sentiments and I understand your concern about some of the ops and their behaviour going against a role model status on the wiki- but situations like this only prove that a sysop- janitor as you say- is exactly that- a regular user with the buttons only given to those entrusted not to misuse it- it's been a long lost fact to this wiki that sysops are still regular users, and should behave as such, which is why using sysop status as a symbol of authority over another user is serious misconduct. Do I give Cornholioo a hard time? For sure, but that's not so I can just go to A/VB and force his banning- I abstain from conflict of interest situations such as his recent banning because I know that following through my pestering actions with bias as a mod is abuse. The ops aren't specifically here to be looked up to, although I still understand where you're coming from and I partially agree that Cornholioo is getting a hard time compared to any other user in terms of sysop bias. I do think it's a shame this perceived bias is being overlooked by the community just because of the user in question. I was surprised the amount of ops who said yes to his permaban, and it's worth noting that the sysops who pester and bait him the most were the ones who voted no to the perma. Typically a perma is only for someone who is literally just trying to break the wiki on a regular basis, not someone who gets baited weekly, and if that was your assessment of the vote I agree with you. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:30, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Invitation==<br />
{{RIAC Invitation}}<br><br />
You know you want to find a group and join.... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:57, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mediawiki Update (2) ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, just to let you know [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Update the Wiki Software (2)|this policy]] requesting a mediawiki has been passed. It asks if you can go up to 1.15.4 but the newest version (which came out while this went voting) is 1.16.0 and if you could find some time to upgrade that would be awesome. =) Thanks from us all. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:25, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Another note that image undeletion is enabled by default on the new software. Enabling image undeletion will increase disk usage (as "deleted" images won't really be deleted, but hidden,) so you might want to consider disabling it and keeping the status quo. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:12, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Virus Advertisement ==<br />
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Um... Kevan, I'm not sure if it's your concern, but one of the advertisements in the UD log-in screen is probably a hacking scam.<br />
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The advertisement, for a game called "Slum City Enforcer" lead to this link http://www.iwon.com/dl/index.jhtml?theme=slumcity2&partner=ZLxdm256&spu=true&sub_id=1579&clickid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000&ce_cid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000<br />
When I clicked on Play Now for the game, it tried to download a trojan, which my anti-virus caught. <br />
<br />
I really hope you can block this bad ad from Urban Dead. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 03:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If I'm not mistaken, the UD site, and wiki, tend to make use of Google Ads,... which help generate profit for the site. That said, there is very little Kevan could probably do about it, aside from removing the ads themselves. That said,... that would be counter productive. I hope Kevan gets back to you though.... He probably knows more about it than what I do. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 04:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:: It is based on google advertisement, I used to get so much stuff for Umbrella's when I was in Umbrella and then UBCS. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 06:00, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::The last time we were hit with malicious ads (The urbandead.org phishing site bought out the wiki sidebar) an administrator contacted the ad agency and had them remove the ads. If you're sure that this is a malicious link, file a report with [http://www.google.com/ads/adwords/ Google Ads]. You've experienced what happened, so you're best suited to explain why this is a bad link.<br />
:::Also, I spammed refresh on one of the screens that displayed ads, and this site never came up. There's a chance it's already been reported and/or expired. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 06:57, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::[http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/iwon.com/summary/ McAfee seem to think it's okay], for a debatable value of "okay", but I've blocked it from my sites on the off-chance. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:34, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: Thank you Kevan! You're awesome. --[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 23:25, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==<s>Early August</s> Mid August.==<br />
That is all. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:30, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:The more you bug him, the more he'll put it off!!! You're tiring him! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:32, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::It takes 5AP to read his talk page, and a game update is like a 500AP suicide repair.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:33, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Brilliant man.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:45, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Pretty sure I just fucking jizzed -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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/thread -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Because I can't think of another place to put it ==<br />
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I am formally lodging a complaint that this game, the city of malton and this wiki, have a decidedly and unfair British/English/insert other term Bias in terms of names, time, spelling, ect.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:19, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If the fact that Kevan, the servers, and the town Malton are all based in england, counts as "unfair", then I guess you're right!!! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 01:22, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I have other ''Complaints'' as well but they are trivial or realistic mostly. And yes that is the exact problem, we should remedy this somehow.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:24, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::By buying Kevan new servers and a new house? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:25, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::: Nonsense we will just begin housing them with you Mis. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:27, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::We could house him in say, Australia.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:28, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::I dunno I like the idea of moving him to Ireland with me. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:30, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::: I don't know Mikalos has a point, lets send him and the servers to Australia, then when Grim throws his next coup he literally can just walk away with the hardware :D --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:34, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::Grim lives in Australia?--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:37, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::: [[User:DanceDanceRevolution/sandpit/quotepit#grim|This seems relevant]] --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:39, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Just as I learn this, I read that the current PM of Australia has suggested that, after the Queen dies, Australia should change into a republic. That might complicate things such as moving for unknown reasons.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:43, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::So grim is trying to enact a coup on all Australia. Wow. Good effort. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:25, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::So the problem still exists, Im afraid if this problem is not rectified soon, i will have to start a demonstration against this unfair and obvious pro-English bias. And furthermore, why is the entire encyclopedia, besides certain pages, in English and not zombie languages? While the English language bias?--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 02:49, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::Grim is Julia Gillard.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 19:43, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Malton is in South Africa and/or Hell. /thread. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 05:59, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:I would like to lodge a complaint that Kevan has not hand delivered crumpets to me. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:41, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I have a complaint about the city organization... to the effect that the city is a perfect square... which is awkward; followed by the lack of a obvious pre-outbreak structure from while the city was operated from; followed by a lack of any buildings for the leadership and organization of the numerous civil service operations. I Herby make a official complaint of poor construction and city planning. --[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 23:53, 19 August 2010 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Mikalos209&diff=1762046User:Mikalos2092010-08-19T22:49:40Z<p>Mikalos209: </p>
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<div>Yep, It's Cody6/Jakezing, back from the grave and... apparently not at immature and stupid as before. <br />
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char_joindate=2006-07-24 |<br />
char_class=[[scientist]]| <br />
char_equip=Revive Needles, Fire axe/pistol|<br />
char_http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=609444|<br />
char_status=Dead.|<br />
char_group=[[Yagoton Revivification Clinic]]|<br />
char_stats=43|<br />
char_journal=[[Journal:]]<br />
}}<br />
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{{Groupbox<br />
|group_name= League of People (Revised)<br />
|group_image= <br />
|group_abbrev= LP(r)<br />
|group_membership= Eh.<br />
|group_leaders= Commun-anarc-faci-blahist State<br />
|group_goals= Be people playing a game about a zombie Apocalypse. <br />
|group_recruit= Go ahead.<br />
|group_contact= Group Talk or member talks<br />
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}}<br />
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So, ive decided that once the bash is done and the suburbs return to their usual green/yellow with some orange and reds, i'll take a tour of the southern half the the map. havnt been to joachim since i got blacklisted for hatin on caiger<br />
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|-<br />
| align="center" style="font-size: xx-small" | This user thinks Sunkist is delicious.<br />
|}<br />
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{{Kevanist}}<br />
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{{Life Cultist}}<br />
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<br />
=random shit Im putting here=<br />
*Welcome to random propaganda I felt like posting.<br />
=="Problems" with the wiki/ect==<br />
*Much of the site is pro-survivor, mostly inadvertently, such as all non Greater Ridleybank suburbs and the general concept of the suburb danger levels.<br />
*The admins are agents of the antichrist >.><br />
*The admins are also agents of god.<br />
*Kevan is biased towards zombies, per the fact he likes zombies at all.<br />
*The population of malton liked drinks.<br />
*This game and Wiki have a decidedly British POV problem.<br />
*Many users are communist agents <br />
*Many users are pro-zombie or pro-survivor.<br />
*The above statement may not be true<br />
*the military hates us<br />
*Malton is very dry besides random heavy fog and snow.<br />
*A lack of religious buildings dedicated to Kevanism<br />
*To much support of KEvanism<br />
*Odd number of churchs<br />
*the city is a friggin square.<br />
*there is no central building that could have operated as a government center</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Mikalos209&diff=1762045User:Mikalos2092010-08-19T22:47:55Z<p>Mikalos209: random group founded</p>
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<div>Yep, It's Cody6/Jakezing, back from the grave and... apparently not at immature and stupid as before. <br />
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{{character|<br />
char_name=cody6|<br />
char_image=|<br />
char_joindate=2006-01-07 |<br />
char_class=[[scientist]]| <br />
char_equip=Revive Needles, Fire axe/pistol|<br />
char_http://http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=609444|<br />
char_status=Alive.|<br />
char_group=[[Yagoton Revivification Clinic]]|<br />
char_stats=41|<br />
char_journal=[[Journal:]]<br />
}}<br />
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{{Groupbox<br />
|group_name= League of People (Revised)<br />
|group_image= <br />
|group_abbrev= LP(r)<br />
|group_membership= Eh.<br />
|group_leaders= Commun-anarc-faci-blahist State<br />
|group_goals= Be people playing a game about a zombie Apocalypse. <br />
|group_recruit= Go ahead.<br />
|group_contact= Group Talk or member talks<br />
<br />
}}<br />
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So, ive decided that once the bash is done and the suburbs return to their usual green/yellow with some orange and reds, i'll take a tour of the southern half the the map. havnt been to joachim since i got blacklisted for hatin on caiger<br />
== templates 2 ==<br />
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|-<br />
| align="center" style="font-size: xx-small" | This user thinks Sunkist is delicious.<br />
|}<br />
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]]}} <br />
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{| style="float: right; border:solid #FFBB00 2px; margin: 0 0 5px 5px;" width=250 align="center"<br />
|-<br />
| rowspan=2 | [[Image:Sunkist.jpg|50px]] || style="background:#FFBB00; color:#ffffff;" width=200 align="center" | '''Orange Soda!'''<br />
|-<br />
| align="center" style="font-size: xx-small" | This user thinks Sunkist is delicious.<br />
|}<br />
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{{Kevanist}}<br />
<br />
{{Life Cultist}}<br />
<br />
<br />
=random shit Im putting here=<br />
*Welcome to random propaganda I felt like posting.<br />
=="Problems" with the wiki/ect==<br />
*Much of the site is pro-survivor, mostly inadvertently, such as all non Greater Ridleybank suburbs and the general concept of the suburb danger levels.<br />
*The admins are agents of the antichrist >.><br />
*The admins are also agents of god.<br />
*Kevan is biased towards zombies, per the fact he likes zombies at all.<br />
*The population of malton liked drinks.<br />
*This game and Wiki have a decidedly British POV problem.<br />
*Many users are communist agents <br />
*Many users are pro-zombie or pro-survivor.<br />
*The above statement may not be true<br />
*the military hates us<br />
*Malton is very dry besides random heavy fog and snow.<br />
*A lack of religious buildings dedicated to Kevanism<br />
*To much support of KEvanism<br />
*Odd number of churchs<br />
*the city is a friggin square.<br />
*there is no central building that could have operated as a government center</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Mikalos209&diff=1761078User:Mikalos2092010-08-18T02:18:01Z<p>Mikalos209: </p>
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<div>Yep, It's Cody6/Jakezing, back from the grave and... apparently not at immature and stupid as before. <br />
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{{character|<br />
char_name=cody6|<br />
char_image=|<br />
char_joindate=2006-01-07 |<br />
char_class=[[scientist]]| <br />
char_equip=Revive Needles, Fire axe/pistol|<br />
char_http://http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=609444|<br />
char_status=Alive.|<br />
char_group=[[Yagoton Revivification Clinic]]|<br />
char_stats=41|<br />
char_journal=[[Journal:]]<br />
}}<br />
' <br />
So, ive decided that once the bash is done and the suburbs return to their usual green/yellow with some orange and reds, i'll take a tour of the southern half the the map. havnt been to joachim since i got blacklisted for hatin on caiger<br />
== templates 2 ==<br />
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{| style="float: right; border:solid #FFBB00 2px; margin: 0 0 5px 5px;" width=250 align="center"<br />
|-<br />
| rowspan=2 | [[Image:Sunkist.jpg|50px]] || style="background:#FFBB00; color:#ffffff;" width=200 align="center" | '''Orange Soda!'''<br />
|-<br />
| align="center" style="font-size: xx-small" | This user thinks Sunkist is delicious.<br />
|}<br />
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]]}} <br />
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{| style="float: right; border:solid #FFBB00 2px; margin: 0 0 5px 5px;" width=250 align="center"<br />
|-<br />
| rowspan=2 | [[Image:Sunkist.jpg|50px]] || style="background:#FFBB00; color:#ffffff;" width=200 align="center" | '''Orange Soda!'''<br />
|-<br />
| align="center" style="font-size: xx-small" | This user thinks Sunkist is delicious.<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{{Kevanist}}<br />
<br />
{{Life Cultist}}<br />
<br />
<br />
=random shit Im putting here=<br />
*Welcome to random propaganda I felt like posting.<br />
=="Problems" with the wiki/ect==<br />
*Much of the site is pro-survivor, mostly inadvertently, such as all non Greater Ridleybank suburbs and the general concept of the suburb danger levels.<br />
*The admins are agents of the antichrist >.><br />
*The admins are also agents of god.<br />
*Kevan is biased towards zombies, per the fact he likes zombies at all.<br />
*The population of malton liked drinks.<br />
*This game and Wiki have a decidedly British POV problem.<br />
*Many users are communist agents <br />
*Many users are pro-zombie or pro-survivor.<br />
*The above statement may not be true<br />
*the military hates us<br />
*Malton is very dry besides random heavy fog and snow.<br />
*A lack of religious buildings dedicated to Kevanism<br />
*To much support of KEvanism<br />
*Odd number of churchs<br />
*the city is a friggin square.<br />
*there is no central building that could have operated as a government center</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:DangerReport/Ainslie_Auto_Repair&diff=1761077User:DangerReport/Ainslie Auto Repair2010-08-18T02:10:14Z<p>Mikalos209: </p>
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[[Category:Auto Repair Shop Danger Levels|Ainslie Auto Repair]]<br />
[[Category:Yagoton Danger Levels|Ainslie Auto Repair]]<br />
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|status=in zombie hands <br />
|comment=ruined<br />
|user=-- --[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 03:10, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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[[Category:Factory Danger Levels|Factory 49,10]]<br />
[[Category:Yagoton Danger Levels|Factory 49,10]]<br />
</noinclude></div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:DangerReport/Kempsterbank&diff=1761075User:DangerReport/Kempsterbank2010-08-18T01:51:53Z<p>Mikalos209: based on the current status of buildings, this isnt normal.</p>
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<div>If you want to report a bug, put it up on the [[Bug Reports]] page for review.<br />
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If you've got a question about the Wiki, use the [[Wiki Questions]] and another user will see it and answer it.<br />
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If you want to discuss game balance or the future of the game, try a [[Unofficial UD Forums|discussion forum]].<br />
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If you'd like to respond to someone who's posted here, you should do so on their talk page.<br />
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If you're from the future, there are a [[User Talk:Kevan/Archive|couple]] of [[User Talk:Kevan/Archive2|archives]].<br />
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If you'd like to speak to an operator, please hold.<br />
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==Three Minutes...==<br />
...Since anyone last commented you on here. Very upsetting. How's everything going with the game? Is everything good?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:What are you talking about? Scroll down to the bottom, haha. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:42, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:You're a funny one. Also, the page's confusing because Kevan doesn't state to put new stuff at the bottom or top, unfortunately, so people go with wherever their own preference is. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:59, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::I tend to look for a trend. Unfortunately, it turns out that the trend i followed only applied for the two posts i read.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 20:06, 13 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville Badges==<br />
Just so you know there are survivors (although very few) that are still roaming around in Monroeville. It would be nice if you could give some kind of emblematic badge of appreciation for the few that made it this far. I hope thats not asking too much, but for staying alive this long its quiet a feat to accomplish and deserves some kind of reward.<br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 02:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Monroeville Airlift==<br />
Hi Kevan,<br />
I am one of the few remaining survivors in Monroeville. With the Christmas update being implemented, I was curious to know if I set up a Christmas tree and some lights in a building for a few days, would a Helicopter come by and take my character to Malton? I don't want to do something in vain that could end up killing my character that has survived for ten months... <br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 06:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:hey Evildiehard, i'm The Last Unlucky Guy, we were in harvey's group together, i like that idea, can i get in on it too? Getting my character out of Monroeville would be great, i've grown too attached to him and if i got killed, especially after going solo, and survivng for this time, it would really suck :( --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==clothing suggestions==<br />
<br />
Hi, long time no see. I've got another question about clothing. I see that you haven't implemented any new clothing for almost a year and the pages in question are receiving little to no traffic. Are you still in need of new Clothing ideas [[Clothes/Suggestions|Suggestions]] or can I close the page and move everything into their relevant archives?--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Will donate for awesome clothing ==<br />
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Basically, I was just wondering that if I donated $50AU or something, that maybe you might code in some blood-proof clothing, just for moi? I mean, it's a decent chunk of funds as all... --{{User:Medico/sig}} 01:30, 26 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Broken Wiki page ==<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1271116&oldid=1270525<br />
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The page I want is the last edit that I made for if, and I have no idea what went wrong. Someone directed me here... --<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span></font><sup> [[User_talk:Haliman111|T]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 00:44, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Iwitness typo==<br />
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Got really bored, and noticed there was a typo.<br />
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"What does it mean if a record is PUBLIC or PRIVATE?<br />
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Public records are just that- anybody can (if they take the time to look) find them and look at the information they contain. Private records are hidden in directories whose contents are not open to the public view, and the random number string appended to the end of the file name makes it impossible for anybody to find them through luck or accident. "Private" records are in fact so hard to locate that if you don't record their location, '''you'll never them again'''. That's OK when you just want to share a quick secret with some friends in a private chat room or secure forum, though- just copy the link and paste it somewhere you and you friends can find it, but others will not see it!<br />
User accounts do provide a way to retrieve all of the private records a user creates while logged into that account, so while still quite private, they are not going to vanish. User accounts also potentially allow for other levels of security; all of these are essentially private records that only certain people can see, or which do not display all of the details of the record in order to protect the privacy and safety of "innocent bystanders". <br />
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http://www.urbandead.info/iwitness/iwitness_FAQ.php#security<br />
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--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup></font> 15:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Check your talk page, {{usr|Haliman111}}. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:36, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Suicide Repair ==<br />
Most of the time it isn't easy to let a building reach the higher levels of decay and takes the effort of multiply zombie players. Lately as more buildings reach higher level of decay we see a raise in suicide repairs. Where survivors just spent all their AP and more to repair a long time ruined building and prepare to get eaten and revived. If suicide repairing was not what you where going for with the implemention of decay, please consider changes like: <br />
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a)Make it impossible to spent more AP on repairing than are left to this character, and probably setting a cap at 45AP as a maximum for decay. <br />
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or b)Repair only removes some part of the decay level and not all at once. Probably like tearing down barricades.<br />
--[[User:Experiment211|Experiment211]] 21:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I second option B. Option A could be exploited by people who wait until they have 2 or 3 AP left before running in to repair for 1 or 2 AP. B makes a lot of sense, I think. --[[User:Drugsanimudongs|Drugsanimudongs]] 17:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Errr... I read your suggestion wrong, Experiment211. Ignore my exploit theory! I still support B, though.<br />
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== Database error on the wiki ==<br />
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I have been getting the following message after making edits: <br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry '20534' for key 1 (localhost)".<br />
Retrieved from "http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category_talk:Historical_Groups"<br />
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The edits seem to be working, however. This bug just took place twice on the Historical Groups Talk/Voting page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:13, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I just got one on the same page. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ditto. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:06, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Happened to me too today.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:57, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Database error<br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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Is also appearing when searching brain rot in the Suggestions and Talk Suggestions namespaces.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Erg. I've had some server trouble lately, I'll take a look at it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:21, 27 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yesterday it was still doing this... It's rare as of late, it seems-- it was happening with almost every edit for a bit there -- but it *did* happen yesterday again.... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
:::Just hit the same after searching for brain in images. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:21, 3 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I've repaired the database, it should be okay now. Let me know if any error messages still creep through, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==A Little Idea for Group Affiliations==<br />
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I've had an idea and would like to submit it for your consideration. Would it be possible to add in the option of a URL link added to a player's group affiliation, a la the current system with the 'Real Name' links? This would be very useful for players looking to join a group and for groups looking to recruit players, especially zombie groups who lack the ability to spray-paint places without death-culting. Whilst the RN link is used by some, myself included, for recruitment, more likely than not the majority will simply not bother clicking it after the first few times they have done that on a profile have taken them to YouTube songs or Rick-rolls. A link under the group affiliation would draw more desirable attention. <br />
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There are two ways in which I could see this working: The first is to have the group affiliation act in the same way as the Real Life link, with the player choosing the URL; the second would be to have the GA act as the list of confirmed groups on the stats page does: An automatic link to the wiki page of said confirmed group. My personal belief is that the latter would be the superior option, so as to avoid abuse via unsavoury links which would undermine trust in the system (this is of course going under the assumption that you have a system which makes the links appear automatically on the stats page, rather than having to add them all in yourself of course).<br />
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Just my thought for the early morning. <br />
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Regards. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 04:37, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Please make your suggestions here: [[:Category:Current Suggestions]]. Seriously Moloch, you have been around long enough to know how suggestions are handled. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:40, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::FWIW, my personal version of 'ActOnProfile' already modifies the group name to be a link to the wiki page for that group. Its pretty handy, even if just to find out the group has no page. A fancier GM script could easily determine if the page actually exists, and not make it a link if it doesn't, which would be nice. Server side code could likely do the same thing better. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:02, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Copyright question ==<br />
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after playing Urban dead I had an idea making it into a warcraft 3 map and before I release 1: may I release a map made by maps and the same idea of urban dead and with its name/s 2: are there any requires you want? for example I could advertise for the site every 5 mins(I can have the map do that for me)I have all ready given credit to Urban dead and if you want I can give direct credit to you also<small>—The preceding {{wikipedia|Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages|unsigned}} comment was added by [[User:Undeadpope|Undeadpope]] ([[User talk:Undeadpope|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Undeadpope|contribs]]) 23:42, 6 August 2008.</small><br />
:l2english.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:34, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:If it's clearly presented as an unofficial fan project, and isn't making any money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:51, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==IP hits and construction==<br />
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If I repair a badly damaged building (15ap etc.) Is that one IP hit or 15? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:32, 9 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'd be one. it's a measure of how many times you refresh the map page not ap. The only exception (as far as i'm aware) is syringe manufacture which is 20.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I thought i was getting more than my regular action. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:32, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Is that confirmed or just a guess?--<span style="cursor:crosshair">Kooks</span> 22:50, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::It's certainly incorrect. I repaired a building costing 134ap and still had more than enough IP hits to play my other characters.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville and headshot==<br />
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All the high level survivors I know (about 30) have been holding out for the return of perma-death headshot with the quarantine. I see the quarantine is back, but everything still says that headshot is not permanent. Is this the case? If you're not bringing it back then you might as well close down the server or at least tell us officially. Because as currently constituted only one side can win, and though we could probably prolong things indefinitely I fail to see the point.<br />
--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 03:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:I couldn't agree more with this post. Staying alive as a member of an organized group in Monroeville is possible but it takes a large amount of coordination and effort. I fail to see the "game" part of current Monroeville on the survivor side, something permanent headshot would bring to the table. If balance is an issue, I'm sure the zombie side would love to have non-curable Infectious Bite. --[[User:Calem|Calem]] 10:09, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::The evidence of the most recent opening of Monroeville suggests that it takes about 6 weeks for the city to go from totally survivor-dominated to totally destroyed with the survivors on the run and hiding in the wreckage. Therefore, it seems to me that the most fun and interesting way to do it would be to run Monroeville in cycles. Every five to six weeks or so switch the rules to give one side or the other the advantage. So, having now had an extened Zombie Friendly period of time, you allow the Survivors to have their turn for a month and a half with closed borders and "permanent" (until the next cycle) headshot. Then re-open it to new admissions with the usual "Zombies stand back up" rules for a month and a half, then close it again and so on and so forth. That way, both sides always have something to look forward to and there's always something to plan for. Frankly, this solution still favors the Zombies somewhat in that a dead Survivor still never gets a chance to come back to life, but its significantly more fair than the current situation where Survivors can never repair a building for more than a couple of days before getting buried under a tide of zombies. While that may accurately reflect the desperate conditions of the later Dead movies and some of the supporting fiction, its not much fun to be a Survivor under these circumstances, and this is a game. --[[User:jng2058|jng2058]] 12:54, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Agreed. Right now Monroeville is only a game of attrition with an inevitable (tedious) end. Maybe that's in keeping with Romero's cannon, but it puts survivors in an unwinnable position and leaves the zombies without enough challenge to stave off boredom. If the game's going to be left open, then since zombies are in the advantage right now (by 4:1) why not restore headshot and see what happens? [[User:CoopVancer|CoopVancer]] 21:34, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Actually Coop- if you think about it- zombie take over isn't necessary canon in the zombie/post-apoc genre nor Romero canon, but merely an outcome of the core theme. What destroys the humans isn't the zombies, which are fairly weak, but their failure to overcome their individual self interest and cooperate. Restoring headshot would work now consistent with the canon. Headshot is something survivors learn with experience. At present, most of the survivors, don't have the XP to have headshot. <br />
::::: So I guess this is down to a test of wills then? Of humanity? How long can humans survive before break down, succumb to anarchy, or make a mistake and get eaten? '''We will not.''' Survivors will not descend into madness. We will survive under these horrible conditions! '''We will be ever vigilant!''' ''(until an emergency comes up in real life, then we're pretty much zombie-food)'' [[User:Bystander|Bystander]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Bystander, I recommend the buddy system. Give someone in your group your PW so they can move you in an emergency.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 00:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your reading is correct that perma-headshot isn't returning.--[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Will there be any type of reward for x number of survivors remaining? ==<br />
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I'm just going to say the only reason to ask this is because what the point of trying to survive if the hoard of zombies will eventually take over all? All i want to know is there anything that actually would give hope to the survivors?<br />
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:Yeah, it would be nice if the last 100 survivors were transported to Malton with text like "NAME survived the second Monroeville quarantine." or "NAME was one of the last 100 to die in Monroeville." on their profile page. --[[User:BetterLuck|BetterLuck]] 23:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::I hope something happens that's good at least for survivors, now they outnumber us way too much now--[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 15:44, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Monroeville Characters ==<br />
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I was just wondering if you had any plans for allowing players to have their Monroeville character's account moved to Malton. I just want to know because I happen to really like my MV character from an RP perspective and would like to play as him in a city that isn't completely ruined and dead... or at least use his name for a character in Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 03:08, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:No - you can transfer donation flags, but not characters. If you want to roleplay the same character in Malton, just create a new account with a slightly different name. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
How do you transfer donation flags from a Monroeville character to a Malton one? Thanks. --[[User:Alias81|Alias81]] 13:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just go to your "settings" page and enter a name. I've now added this to the [http://urbandead.com/faq.html#monroedonate FAQ]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Don't fucking jimmy me, jules. ==<br />
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# (diff) (hist) . . User:Vigeous/Group Pages; 18:25 . . (-2) . . Vigeous (Talk | contribs) (→Folie à Famille - )<br />
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I swear that 84 minutes almost pushed me over the brink...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:34, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, it looks like the wiki backups are pushing the server over the brink as well, from sheer weight of data, to the point of actually overheating the machine. I'm going to have to do another archive-history purge, as it's been a long time since the last one. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::NOOOOOO! Not the memories! Take anything but the memories! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:30, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::What about all teh lulz?!?!?!?!? Jed! ACTIVATE LULZ PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. CODE RED!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:44, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::OMG DID YOU SAY <big><big><big><big><font color="red">CODE RED?!?!?!?!</font></big></big></big></big>--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Good man. You'll do me proud yet. btw Kevan we just bought UD shirts so hopefully that means you don't have to go ahead with this "purging" business...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:48, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yeah i've thrown my best days into UD and my best money too. The least you could do is buy more server space so that a purge need never happen again. What if we need to check back over to see who made an edit? Or find long lost lulz? I mean [[2 Cool]] have a variety of quality projects using that space. [[ALiM]], [[ELiM]], [[Great Fire of 1912]], [[Sir Dick Longman]], [[Suburb Nicknames]], [[Colloquialisms]] and [[Malton Girl on Girl Parade]] all spring to mind. Of course there are many many more worthy pages created in the name of [[Kevanism|Kevan]], this is just a tasty sampling.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:53, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Stop blatantly spamming your endless vomit pile of useless wiki projects.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 11:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Quality projects using the ''page history'' space? If there's something good in there that's been deleted for wiki policy reasons, can't you host it somewhere else where people will actually find it? --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well if there is that's what we'll do. By the way - whilst I'm here, can I get your thoughts on [[ALiM|this page]]. Totally just out of interest and not fishing for an endorsement to stick in the first sentence of the article... And did you purposely give some of the locations amusing names or was it all the result of some cosmic event?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:22, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Also thanks for the recognition that they are in fact quality. And yes page history contains lols and should be kept for this reason. For example [[User:J3D/lol@finis|this particular work]] would never have been possible if page histories weren't kept. [[Save Page Histories]], i think i smell a 2C wikiproject coming on...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:32, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Ah that smell. I know her well.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Just wondering if there's a time-frame for this, there's an administrative Archive of Two we need to finish up before it happens, shouldn't take more than a few hours each.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Turns out that it might just be the A/VB talk archives.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::What in the name of all things holy is an archive history purge? Do i need to be in the brace position? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Look at the contribs of an older member, like myself. Ive ben around and posting since october 2005. you will see pretty much nothingb that old. A history purge is just that, a deletion of all revisions older than a certain age from the database. Its one of the reasons we make archive pages. Histories can get seriously huge, especially on larger, more active pages. For examples of the biggest, try A/VB and Talk:Suggestions --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 18:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Cheers Grimbo. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:06, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Couldn't Kev just get rid of the bigs one then? Talk suggestions is a particularly useless page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:08, 22 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'll be some time during September, and it'll be clearing out to a specific date (probably everything over a year old). If you need me to hold off while some admin archives are made, let me know. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I believe we finally got them all done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:17, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Maybe we do need to lose some of our precious memories...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Is barricading affected in dark buildings? ==<br />
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Would you be able to resolve [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Dark#barricading_success_is_also_affected_by_dark this question], please? (i.e. is there an effect in dark buildings on barricading success?) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:05, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:As Midi said, you should try doing your own research on this inquiry first. It seems like you haven't even checked by yourself. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 14:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's based on chance - sorta hard to get solid evidence when it could just be called "bad luck". Sometimes you have to go to the source to find out if you're just having a shitty day or if it's some game mechanic that's actually stopping you from hitting all those zeds at the local RP... I mean... er...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 14:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aeon, I ''did'' "check for myself"... As in. I've experienced it numerous times in-game... Then I went to Brainstock, asked around for a second opinion, and got one... But that wasn't good enough for you people... So I decided to ask Kevan, himself -- especially since Nallan kind of has a point, and since it's not easy to find the conditions to conduct the experiment... In any event, I managed to find a place to try it: I posted the results on the Darkness talk page. However, a quick word, yea or nay, from the designer really would be appreciated... Now... none of this "discussion" was necessary, not here, stop spamming this page, sheeesh. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:14, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You typed more than the first three comments combined. And you complain about spamming? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:31, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, there is an effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== theres 98 survivors in monroeville what now? ==<br />
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what is going to happen now? is there anything left for the survivors other than to just run or make a last stand? is there anything for staying alive till the end. --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Stay alive I guess. --[[User:Federationtrooper|Federationtrooper]] 22:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:umm the count jumped UP TO 100, what just happened? --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 03:50, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::And it's 101 now. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 05:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Idled characters standing up, most likely. Hellooooo. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:11, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Yes, idlers. So, will all characters be deleted completely? Should we make a last stand? What will happen to the accounts? Will there be permaneny links to the diaries, that can still be obtained after the accounts are deleted? Knowing the basic plan will help us figure out what we should be doing.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::If I recall correctly, at some point the game will be shut down. I mean ''shut down''. At which point Kevan has said that any donations on MV alts will be transferable to Malton. He has hinted that he might allow MV alts to be moved to Malton once it's shut right down -- although I haven't noticed anything like this in a while, maybe he's changed his mind? I dunno... My advice, personally is to wait and see... Possibly Kevan doesn't even know yet how he'll wrap it up. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::I'm [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Kevan#Monroeville_Characters pretty sure] that MV characters won't be transferable to Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 01:49, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Okay, but what will happen to the actual accounts though? What would happen if I tried to login with it after the map ends? Will the diary be preserved?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:59, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Aren't they (donation tags) already transferable? i'm pretty sure they should be. --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Donations are transferrable, and accounts aren't - it was always going to be one or the other, and donations seemed more appropriate. Profiles and diaries will be kept in perpetuity. And given how little difference there is between shutting the city down entirely and leaving it open for zombies to mill aimlessly around in, I might just leave it open. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fair enough? Any chance of us active zeds getting another tag in our profiles? Ive noticed those survivors still active have got one. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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For what? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 19:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like this [[http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1147825]], one like ''blah was an active zombie one month into the 2nd quarantine. '' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Again, I ask, "For what?" For staying active? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 23:35, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Sorry. yep.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::You knew when you signed up that it was not going to be a permanent map. And you knew the basic rules of the game, as well. You ''knew''... Now, deal with it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== FAQs addition? ==<br />
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I don't know why you haven't gotten around to it, but here you can even find a pretyped one to add. It's a quick, simple addition...<br />
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http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Add_encumbrance_section_to_the_FAQs<br />
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Also, I'm not trying to bother you, but could you check the bugs page and try to deal with some of those issues? I noticed my moved-outside reports already in the known bugs section, and that sounds like a creepy one that's been happening to a number of people. I also see a number of other bugs commonly happening, with no hint of what's going on. Thanks.<br />
--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Once again...[[PR_UI:_Sub_Pages#Tips_about_encumbrance|dupe]]. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:28, 30 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::That's why I wondered why he hasn't gottena round to it yet. It's been around a while, and it seems pretty needed.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:04, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Enough is enough ==<br />
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I know you don't want to deal with this kind of stuff... yeah yeah yeah... But please just ''look'' at [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.180 this post]. Just quickly... <br />
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Enough is enough, already. '''Please''' ban open proxies from accessing Urban Dead, because this is just too common -- and if anything is going to kill this game and the community it's zerging. There is a massive level of frustration over zerging, though honestly it's not brought up because people are fatalistic, figuring you're not going to do anything about it. But there are people willing and able to assist with the coding, with helping to set this up, you just need to say "Yes" to getting the ball rolling. Please consider it, consider ''something''... Because it's a serious problem ((that is, the use of proxies). And, unfortunately -- unless there is something huge we are all missing -- it's a problem that your abuse detection algorithms just can't deal with... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just to add... This guy in the post I linked to likely had his alts banned, and just kept making more and more to replace them... which, if true, shows that algorithm works against ''"normal" multi-abusers.'' But when you're dealing with proxies, you can completely circumvent those algorithms. And that's the problem... Active players usually encounter at least a couple ''obvious'' "zerg teams" every week... And a lot more less obvious but suspicious ones... It's very frustrating for those who try to play "by the book"... And while we generally just "shrug and bear it", still... I'm not going to bother you with this anymore now, but I really felt it was high time to bring this your attention, and to speak out for the many people who are so frustrated by the prevalence of zerging in Urban Dead. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:17, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm going to take the liberty of seconding the above on behalf of both the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]] and [[Columbine Kids]], two fair-playing teams that I lead who encounter zerg teams weekly. Whether something comes of this or not, I just want to add our voices. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 18:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ha. The only topic on the page not address by Kev on Sept 3. Come on man an least a reply saying you cbf would be nice...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:03, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Sure, I'll take a look at any ideas or technologies people have got. I'm not aware of any silver bullets that don't also turn up false-positives for people on weird ISPs or who have a misleadingly-configured home network, but would be happy to be proven wrong. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:29, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Interesting Tangent: Speaking of silver bullets, i recently found out that all that stuff from days yonder referring to silver bullets and there use in banishing monsters is actually ambiguous as to if it's talking about actual silver, or mercury (which was known as quicksilver at the time). so yeah, you may in fact be unaware of any mercury bullets. Just keep that in mind when banishing foes.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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There was a discussion on Beerhah.com about this... Where some people were attempting to seriously address the issue and then come to you with some solutions. Sadly, interest seemed to wane once Finis Valorum apparently left the game... However, I am going to copy what was probably the most relevant and hopefully most useful post in that discussion. As you'll see, the solution was not an algorithm and/or set of "suspicious" IPs, etc. -- which I gather was you were talking about above? Rather, the main idea it was using a list of known proxies and simply banning them. I actually think the wiki sysops have a pretty long list of banned proxies, for a start perhaps that could be used... <br />
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And, no solution is going to perfect. There will ''always'' be holes, always ways around whatever measures you impliment. As the post I'll copy discusses. That, I think, is pretty well understood. However, the point is to make it as difficult as possible for people to cheat. Open proxies are just ''too easy'' to find and use... Now, I don't know if paying for a proxy list is going to be effective, or a waste of money, considering how much these things change, apparently -- that's something someone with the right knowledge would have to decide. Anyway, I'm place the text of the post on [[User talk:WanYao| my Talk page]] for you to look at. Thanks for your time. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:21, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Sadly, we've got no follow up response yet... Kevan, are you listening? Just as another case in point, look at this... yeah I ''know'' what you say... But just look... I think you need to... I don't want to be a "bitch" about this... But I am really, really hoping we can find some way to address the zerging issue, and this requires a dialogue with you... <br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_7-1__644-f97-77b.html<br />
http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_8-1__0c7-19c-2b9.html<br />
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LOLz at my insane typos notwithstanding (i meant "flayed alive") .... This is sadly typical... We see this stuff all the time: here, 4 alts, at least, 2 each in adjacent buildings, from someone with a whole slew of "mithra" alts, many more than these 4, many of them previously spotted together -- this guy is familiar to us... We've presented some ideas for dealing with zergs like this, there is a discussion on the [[AZM]] Talk page... Will you work on this? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:08, 12 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Kevan, please do this: community appointed UD moderators. These trusted moderators will ban obvious zerging reported by players. To investigate zerging only basic information is needed: history of when the zergs all logged in, and how long they've been around each other. 95% of zergers are stupid and lazy and will be caught this way. No permanent bans, just temporary ones. Enough to make the zergers life difficult. --[[User:Rupert|Rupert]] 19:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:COMMUNITY appointed? You're joking, right? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 21:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'm kind of new, so forgive me if this is stupid... Am I correct in assuming that a lot of these zerg characters are level 1, or to a lesser degree level 2 that seldom level up or even gain XP but are used as scouts. If that's the case then I would think that any ''real'' account is going to gain XP and level up within reasonable time periods. If that's the case then would purging level 1 & 2 characters that don't level in say a month get rid of a lot of zergs? Or is there a legitimate reason for accounts within these parameters? --[[User:Mvario|mvario]] 01:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Most zergs (despite the name) do infact end up leveling up, check out all the [[GTFO]] zergs for an example. The one's that do stay at lvl 1 and 2 are throw aways that won't be used again anyway, so deleting them wouldn't have any effect except to free up the account name to be used by another player. And that is something Kevan has said he doesn't want as it would cause confusion. Also lol @ my post up there ^ from Sept 5.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Last Major Change to this page? ==<br />
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When was the last major change to this page made, the one where months pf posts were cleared off and the number of topics reset to 0 (I assume 0)?. What about the Suggestions Development Page, where the Overflow section used to be? I'm trying to find certain old stuff, and I need to know those important dates to do so...thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:07, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=prev&oldid=1241305]]This? You can chust check yourself by looking in the history tab at the top of each page. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:27, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:That link's no good.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::There was a history purge so links to old edits don't work. However purges aside he's right, if you need to find an old version of the page use the history tab at the top.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::When was the last purge anyhow? That would really help. Those do make thinsg confusing...looking for old stuff that's gone...--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 19:17, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Dear Kevan: ==<br />
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<span style="color: #800000; font-family: Times"><center>You may try to tear down our barricades, devour our friends and allies, destroy our home... But we ''will'' prevail. Your efforts will be met with the stalwart defense that Barrville has maintained for these three years, and with our community at our sides, you must eventually accept defeat. You will go down, Kevan... and we'll put you there. And we'll do it oldschool; With our fists, With our boots, with lead pipes...<BR>And yes, with Axes. We shall not be put down.<BR>'''We Are AXES HIGH'''<br />
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E Cinerebus, Gloriam --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 16:13, 5 September 2008 (BST)</center></span><br />
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:'''''HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!''''' [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Okay, I actually thought it was quite the honour to be eaten by Kevan... but none the less worthy of an overtly trenchy and overdramatic comment. - --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 20:46, 23 September 2008 (BST)<br />
==Database errors==<br />
We are getting some infrequent, but still painfully annoying database errors. Last night when i was trying to edit [[A/VD]] i couldnt because of them, and we lost two current revisions on a page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASpacer_one%2FAthair_bas&diff=1270526&oldid=1270400 here] to them as well. Can you please take a look and find out whats going on? --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 21:51, 10 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Noted. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:43, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like we lost a handful of page revisions during the history purge; I'll look at restoring them this afternoon. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:08, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Okay, fixed, the handful of pages that were affected are stable now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==About the proxy issues...==<br />
this site: http://www.gmodtop100.com/ had a similar iddue which involved everyone giving themselves votes using proxyies from proxy.org Recently the website restted all the lists and when I tried to give hits to my gmod clan, I discovered that by some sort of meckanism they had managed to block proxies from being able to vote. I know they hadn't simply banned them because even my top secret proxy was blocked and I had never used it to access the website before. Maybe if you could get in contact with this "Pulsar effect" guy we could finally end this. [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It's really not as simple as some people seem to think. Web-based CGI or PHP proxies, or even SOCKS/HTTP proxies, are merely the tip of the iceberg – anyone with any decent technical expertise or friends with same can bypass any proxy list you care to come up with. Sure, it might be helpful, but it won't be a silver bullet, as Kevan alluded to above. Either way, we'll need to continue with [[ZHU|community-based]] [[GTFO|solutions]], as well as any additional technological measures that may be implemented. And remember... {{cquote||It may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma... which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve.''|Edgar Allen Poe}}{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And...{{cquote||Some things are not problems to be solved, they are facts to be coped with.''|Anonymous}} --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:23, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Future history wipes==<br />
Would it be possible leave a few more months worth of page histories next time a wipe is done? It's making it very hard to evaluate and track deletion requests, vandal histories and the like when histories just weeks old are missing, making it especially difficult to determine who should have "ownership rights" of group pages. Loosing histories will always be a problem, but the problem can be lessened significantly if you could keep it to older edits <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:56 20 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Or a portion of the oldest edits on a page(like the first 5 if possible).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And maybe a backup for the suburb danger status, using that sql code i sent you last time... heh... too bad i only found out about this wipe weeks after it occured, or i would have asked you to make the backup before the wipe. Bugger. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 03:14, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== I'm wishing for headshot.... ==<br />
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maybe for those left in monroeville should have something, like headshot, cause look at whats left... [[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:53, 4 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:The problem with that is to use headshot, you need to interact with zombies. A lot of the zeds left metagame, and all you'd do is draw others to your location. So yes. Bring it back. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I agree, running from zeds is getting old. I imagine they must be pretty bored as well. If not perma-death, how about headshot drops AP to zero. Otherwise we'll continue this war of attrition. Also shouldn't we get new badges? It would be cool if we had an incentive to keep playing besides making the zeds look impotent.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== ALiM's Birthday Party ==<br />
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You've been cordially invited to attend ALiM's birthday party at [[Club Head]] at 10am GMT on the 18th of October. Festivities will last for a full 24 hours. See [[Talk:Amusing_Locations_in_Malton#ALiM_PARTY.21.21.21|here]] for more details, oh divine master.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 02:15, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Misconduct ==<br />
I figure you are already aware of whats going on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#User:Grim_s| Here] but figured you should be formally informed. The final decision of the community has not been reached, but the general consensus will at the very least include the Bureaucrat status being removed from Grim. More may or not follow depending upon deliberations. Thank You. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:25, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:You have provided no evidence of misconduct. This is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:18, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Grim pipe down, everyone knows what you think and we also happen to know what Conn thinks. I can appreciate you're pissed off but can you not write the same boring ass one line all over the place, at least i nice tl;dr wall for old times sake ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:33, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Its not a boring arse line. Its a simple fact. All accusations of abusing the status of sysop as abadge of authority to force ones wishes on the community '''must''' come with '''clear evidence''' over a '''substancial period of time'''. So far no such evidence has been presented, and all my requests that it be have been soundly ignored by all concerned. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:36, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Conveniently all such evidence was wiped by Kev yestermonth, so i guess it falls down to your word against his/theirs. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Evidence already posted would still be present, easily visible to all who try a basic search. In any case, as [[user:Revenant]] has said, this is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Court Kangaroo Court], nothing more nothing less. My defense, which is logically sound, has been ignored, except where people have cherry picked points to troll. Saddam Hussein got a fairer trial than i am. In any case, without evidence, you cannot convict. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:40, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug*, shouldn't have declined my sysopship... ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::You were unfit for the job, and your subsequent tantrum proved as much to even the most jaded of eyes. My job isnt to make friends, or to be popular, or to do what people want, its to do what the rules and guidelines of this wiki state is correct, and to make the best decisions for the wiki in places where the guidelines do not cover. I am the only person to have ever lived up to that responsibility. No one else has, though karek comes damned close. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:47, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::oh come on, it was a joke! I thought even in your current state you should have picked it up. Feel free to slur away, hope it makes you feel better, xoxo. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:51, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Im sorry, but one seldom finds entertainment when one is the victim of such obvious and gross injustice where one cannot do anything about it. I apologise. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::apology accepted, we shall see how it plays out...now, to leave kevan's talk page so he doesn't get pissed off and cancel my accounts!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, this page was already on my watchlist. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:37, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::You gonna have a vote? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Contrary to Conndraka's first post, this is not a community decision at all. It is in fact a decision made by a small group of sysops. I trust the subtle difference and obvious deceit on Conndraka's part is not lost on you. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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There being no official method or process of notification...[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Final_Ruling| Here] is the result. Note the community "petition" that is also currently attached to the position. There being no "Policy" in this manner, the impeachment of a sysop by the community is a nebulous proposal at best. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:00, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:So that was you that thought that it would be a good idea to try to drive someone to vandalism as a last resort at neutrality? If it wasn't whoever added that petition should themselves be vandal escalated for misusing an administrative page to further a personal fight. Precedent matters.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:13, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Just for the record it was me who added the "petition" it was not intended to be used as evidence against Grim it and i thought it was pretty clear that I was asking for the communities opinion on wether Grim should face a vote. more than 1 person thought not.... apparently my intention was not clear enough and it turned into a petition while i was off-line. Should Grim have lost his Crat status? Probably... should he have lost it for the misconduct case? Absolutely not!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Bug, "zerg flag", or what? ==<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=951980 This alt] has recently tried searching for FAKs in a powered Mall with *no* success. 'Tis far more than bad luck... All other actions seem to working just fine, and I really can't see how a zerg flag could have been activated, even accidentally. Is this a bug, some unannounced change, or has a zerg flag somehow been activated? Anyone else had anything similar happen? But if it is a bug, then I'll report it normally... Thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:09, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unannounced change, although you shouldn't be getting ''zero'' success. If it keeps up, report it as a bug and we'll get some more data on it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Can you post these things as news? not only are we in a news drought, but it'll send the mall rats scurrying to the TRPs...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:25, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::It seems a bit cheap to announce search tweaks as fully-fledged "game updates". There are some proper updates on the way. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Perhaps, but it makes a difference. And considering it was suggested through the wiki suggestion system it'd a tip of the hat to the crowd over there (regardless of whether or not you actually saw that ;) ), i look forward to new updates :D something pro zombie perhaps? Things have quietened down in Malty as of late...btw kudos on the ruin update, she added a whole new dimension to the game.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Oh good. I thought this was just me. I have been getting reduced search rates EVERYwhere. (Hospitals, Malls, NT buildings.) Quite a few days I've spend 18~23 AP in these buildings over a period of about 10~12 minutes and have found nothing at all. Recently I've used a mall-searcher and spent 20 AP in Caiger NW and have found nothing in any store. It woulda been nice to see this as an official update. [[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 14:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yay! Updates are ace. :D -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:47, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Yes, please announce it or something. I was sad to find just 2 FAKs with 20 APs in a lightened mall with bargain hunting. Its just very less. First i thougt, it was bad luck, but others said the same too. Maybe a small view, what has been changed would be nice. --[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 17:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::'''My search-statistics:'''<br />
:::::::'''Where:''' lightened Mall, searched in the Drugstore<br />
:::::::'''Skill:''' Shopping+Bargain Hunting<br />
:::::::'''APs:''' 38 / 47<br />
:::::::'''Found nothing:''' 30 / 36<br />
:::::::'''Found a FAK:''' 8 / 11<br />
:::::::'''Rate:''' 21,06% / 23,4%<br />
:::::::--[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 18:18, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Assuming there are no more break-ins at my safehouse, I'll post some data tomorrow. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk]] </span> </sup> 04:26, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the reply, Kevan... No, you're right, haven't had a lot of time to play lately, but I tested it further and I did finally find some FAKs... And for everyone else... I believe I know ''exactly'' why Kevan implemented this. And it pleases me, personally, very much. :) Meanwhile, this wasn't a game-mechanic change, just a search rate nerf... Thus, I think it's cool it was left for us to discover on our own, and not as an announcement... Even if I had to resort to the cheap method of asking the big guy himself... ;) Though I did suspect it might be a search rate nerf, I just didn't ''dare'' to believe'' :D ... Thanks, Kevan, cool change... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:01, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh... FTR limited data... but searching for guns in a mall ''seems'' the same as always... and syringe rates have been quite low for some time now... just to clear up statement made above about everything sucking... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:05, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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You know, there's a [[Search Odds|better place]] than Kevan's talk page to dump this data... --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup II==<br />
I have regularly spoken to you of the abuses of adminsistrator and the flaws of the system. I have begged, and pleaded for you to become involved in fixing these problems. You have told me to do it myself. Tow/three days ago i notified you of my intent to stage a coup on this wiki and enforce a better way, at the very least as a trial run. I also informed you that you could call it off simply by telling me "no". Since you havent responded, and circumstances have cospired to make such an option impossible in the immediate future due to the very corruption that has taken root, i have been forced to go ahead earlier than i would have liked. I merely ask that you adopt a wait and see attitude towards what i am trying to do. This is my last throw of the dice. My last ditch attempt to make this a better place before i take my leave of this community forever. I apologise for the manner in which i had to bring it about however. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 10:26, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hello Grim. I read your email as a bold request for ''permission'' to single-handedly institute "sweeping reforms" and selective sysop demotions. I didn't realise you were threatening to actually abuse bureaucrat powers and go ahead regardless, if I didn't respond quickly enough.<br />
:Yes, whenever you email me asking that I force through a change that you personally want implemented, I suggest that you take it through the proper channels - usually a policy discussion, to at least get some community feedback first. I don't see why you couldn't have done that here. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup==<br />
Could you please re-sysop all the people that Grim just demoted, please, and remove his bureaucrat status to avoid it happening again? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:24 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Already onto it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::sooo....where do we go from here? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::[[Suburb Nicknames#West Becktown|PUSSY TOWN]]!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Shouldn't grim also have been demoted ? He can still do lots of damage with his sysop powers --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Given the "effective immediately i am seizing executive power" tone of his bureaucrat abuse, and the fact that he claims to have left the wiki permanently, temporarily revoking his sysop powers seems fair enough, if only as a security issue. I'll reverse it should the [[Misconduct#User:Grim_s|new misconduct case]] decide in his favour. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:34, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Hm... I think I may create a new subpage on my userspace containing as much of this stuff as I can. It will be interesting to read through and spot the points at which Grim became more and more frantic. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::First Katthew, now grim. There is no place for common sense is there? Maybe i'm not in possession of all the facts; all I see is one frustrated person finally snapping, after years spent as one of the very few sysops to actually work to make this a better place - rather than feather his own nest. The wiki has finally moved from being a source of information to some kind of passive-aggressive, UD version of Facebook. I'd rather have one person capable of making a mature decisions, unafraid to step on a few toes and deflate a few egos, than a gaggle of preening children. Disappointing. --[[User:Keith Drudgely|Keith Drudgely]] 17:58, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Grim was anything but "mature". Just saying. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 20:56, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::you should talk, cyberbob... actually, i do think grim was someone who worked hard for the wiki... and he'd dealt with idiocy for so long, he did snap... however, if only he'd handled things better over the long haul... le sigh... for what it's worth, the drama has pretty much caused me to quit the game, too... pathetic how seriously some people (myself included) take all this sometimes... and interesting how easy it is to walk away when the bad taste gets to be too much, and how little you miss UD when you do... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:36, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Biiig difference between being immature by choice and being immature by impulse, Wan. Also, WTF is with you and ellipses? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:18, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::~2 years till the next sysop snaps. I can understand where Grim was coming from though. It's very frustrating when people constantly attack you for no perceived reason, and eventually you *have* to snap, no one can sustain continued harassment. Grims misconduct case showed this, sysops calling for Grims demotion over something so minor was ridiculous. Unfortunately once a group of users has decided to attack you there's nowhere safe on the wiki, and eventually you are forced to leave until things cool off, which can be a long while, and difficult to do if you are a regular. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">11:35/13/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::::OR you could simply cease the unneccessary causticness that brought on all that ire and start acting with some degree of restraint rather than taking the easy route and trying to lay the blame on others. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:52, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Cyberbob's right, just because you weren't a victim of Grim's monster rampage doesn't mean it didn't happen. You should try to understand Jedaz, people didn't just rise against Grim for fun. We aren't idiots. If we were mindless idiots we would be playing Halo 3 and NFL 2009 instead of UD. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:58, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::It's called Madden you culturally ignorant fuck. Nah you're allllright. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:02, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::How dare you be here and not on IRC. You left me alone with those barbarians. >=[ {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::sorry sorry! I was spose to go to bed 21 minutes ago...hows a week tonight for you? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:19, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::@Cyberbob - What kind of restraint are you talking about? Restraint of language? I don't see anyone else restraining themselves. Restraint of Sysop powers? Well there wern't any successful misconduct cases about misuse. If you are talking about restraining yourself once you've snapped then you must be laughing. Don't get me wrong, Grims attitude didn't help the situation, but people making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't going to help either.<br />
::::::::@DDR - What has Grim done since June to have this "uprising" occur? Personally I didn't see Grim do anything outside of his regular behaviour (ignoring this most recent case), and the community has known about his behaviour for a long time and still elected him! Would the community still have rised up if this didn't occur? If not then it's just an angry mob and it would have cooled down eventually, where as an uprising would still have occured.<br />
::::::::Anyway, if either of you wish to continue this conversation I'ld suggest we move this to my [[User_talk:Jedaz|talk page]] rather then clog up Kevans. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:34/14/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::My point, Jedaz, was that if Grim was at all socially intelligent he would have realised that people weren't going to take his shit forever. If he wanted to prevent an explosion of the sort we saw he should've taken steps to improve his self-control. Blaming his completely unreasonable hissy fit (ZOMG IM GONNA LOSE MAI CRAT STATUS ALL MUST DIE) on the completely understandable reactions of everyone else is ridiculous. You need to take off the "I got yo back brotha!" goggles (you think I don't remember the circumstances of your demotion?) and take a step back to look at things realistically. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I supose you have a point. But I don't think you fully understand the reason I chose to be demoted (if you did then you wouldn't have brought it up). My point is if you don't have the support of the team you are working in then of course you are going to find it tough and eventually you are either going to quit or break. Nobody seems to care that it can actually get to this point. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:20/16/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::Cyberbob's right. Do you actually have a personal history with Grimsky? He has been planning this entire explosion for a very long time. He probably stretched out the time of the case so it could build up to a bigger explosion. He deliberately did this for his own ego. And yet you don't think he was unfit to be at the position he was at? Why argue with us more? Ask the entire community which demanded what we demand right now. I don't want to disrupt Kevan (I know your reading hun =]) So I'll stop here, no need to pursue justification. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::it was very calculated, there was a reason he chased away the other competent sysops, and crats, and meatpuppeted his crat "election". He was planning this "coup" for a while and was no lapse in judgement.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:30, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::I miss all of the good stuff. I believe what Anime is referring to is discussed [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|here]], with a now dead reference to [[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysop_Sub_Groups:The_Cheesy_Version#"With_less_than_10_active_sysops"|the original conversation here]]. You know, where he admits to hounding sysops such as Vista and Hagnat to get them to quit their positions. Coincidentally, after he got Hagnat to quit, he got elected as a Bureaucrat. No, obviously no long term plan in place.<br />
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:::::::::::Whoops. I guess it ''was'' a long term plan to get into power after all, huh? [[Image:Haw.gif]] --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:52, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::No way to prove this but on IRC Grim would often criticize my "hissy fits" of pissing people off for lulz and then brag about how he could do it better. I think AS remembers it, he often hung out in #udwiki. My point, he planned this. That wasn't impulse. Impulse is "DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING!!!" --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:07, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::Maybe they are talking about on a geological timetable. Or perhaps some people need to [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impulse%5B2%5D read more]. I do find it amusing that [[:Template:Grim Doom|this template]], which was meant as a joke, is closer to the truth than people like to believe. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::He made [[User:Grim_s/Sandbox/Thingamajig|these notes on attempting to scrap the system]] back in July, which included the idea that my veto power was a "problem" and should be revoked. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::That's kind of why I am confused how what [[User:Amazing|Amazing]] did was worse than this. There is a huge history of edits of Grim chasing users off of the wiki in order to attain the power he craved ([[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|'''by his own admission''']]), then kicks off the rest of the sysop team to implement his changes when he is threatened, yet he doesn't receive the same punishment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::You're confusing yourself, because the Amazing and Grim situations are totally different. Amazing wasn't a sysop when he earned his permban through the established VB escalation system, and it was also a long, long time ago. Most of the sysops ruling on Grims case had nothing to do with the wikigate farce. Careful what you wish for, Akule, [[Witch Burners]] arn't that picky, as you well know <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:35 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::::Oh, okay, so talking with Kevan about how Grim probably should have been permabanned for chasing away several good sysops, plotting to remove Kevan's veto power, and overthrowing the other sysops results with veiled threats of forcing me off the wiki from you. Gotcha. So, when are you going to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Amnesty&diff=next&oldid=1295384 "waah"] Kevan like you did Hagnat and the others? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:17, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::I'm not threatening to force you off the wiki, Akule. I'm trying to point out that if witch burners always got their way, Grim would be out, but so would you, long ago due to copyright-gate. And why the hell would I Wah Keven, you clown... you're the one doing the waaaaahing <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::It's cos deep down (very deep, in some cases) we've all got a soft spot for ol' grimchy.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::And the winner of the Speak For Yourself award goes to.... --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 08:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Ooo! ooo! I'm a shoo in for this one! Pick me! Pick me! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:58, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::Umm...Boxy? How is what Grim did similar to the Witch Burners? Our goal is to remove those who create mass amounts of drama on the wiki through vandalism, arby's, and other crap. We are the vigilantes that work where the sysops can't. Grim would have been a target of ours if we weren't so afraid of him banning us after labeling him a target. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:25, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Well, I was referring to the way Grim has become a targeted witch, actually, but he did use similar tactics, now you mention it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::::::::::::The problem Grim saw with Kevan's veto power was that Kevan's refusal to participate in the wiki and the absence of the threat of the use of that power was in and of itself damaging to the wiki and led to a lot of the crap that annoys all of us. It wasn't that Kevan had veto power but that Kevan wasn't willing to give that power any weight. You'd probably know that if you ever spoke to Grim outside of arguments.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:24, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::I did. Usually it was go back to an argument, mostly over stupid shit. Mentioning you like Star Wars would result in a vicious attack on why TIE Fighters can't make noise in space. I for one don't give a shit. Grim loved to create trouble over stupid shit. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:23, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::That wasn't directed at you Sonny.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:54, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::BUT GODDSDAMMIT TIE FIGHTERS CAN'T MAKE A NOISE IN SPACE!!!!!!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 18:28, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::fcuk u tehy can 2!!1!!!1one! --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::: obviously the whole star war universe takes place in a particle rich nebula that allows for both the transmission of sound and the really spectacular explosions...DUH! [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:07, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Well at least we don't have Real Gamer ruling the wiki.Grim did make a joke about a coup earlier in 2008 around the time the the dead did their rampage I believe.And by the way, according to the History Channel,if you were in space,the Death Star firing and destroying a planet is as less loud than you clicking your computer's mouse.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Coup Misconduct Resolution ==<br />
[[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Resolution.2FFinal_Ruling| Resolution]] of the Misconduct case due to the coup, Just an FYI for official notification. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== HP? ==<br />
Just stood up after a revive... Found myself at 20 instead of 30. another one of these unannounced changes? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:07, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:That would be a bug. Report it if it happens again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:24, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I like the NT scan tweak. Very classy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Grammar ==<br />
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You try to add some corrugated iron to the barricade, but can't find a place for them.<br />
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"Them" should be "it", or "corrugated iron" should be plural, so maybe "corrugated iron rods".<br />
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Hope this is in the right place, and I know you probably don't care that much about small gramatical errors but someone needs to point them out!<br />
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Feel free to downsize the image..I would but I need to run! {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 12:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Update ==<br />
I don't do this much and am actually on the side of criticizing updates as too much for false problems but this recent update has been something that has been long in the waiting. Thank You, this might actually get me playing my characters again.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:37, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll go along with that. Admittedly I'm far more easily-pleased than Karek and never stopped actively playing, but still, thanks for a great update. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:27, 17 October 2008 (BST).<br />
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== Privacy Policy ==<br />
Hi kevan, is there any chance of a Privacy Policy being written up regarding players IP's and emails. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:58, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:[[UDWiki:Privacy policy]] has been in the footer for a couple of years now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:13, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Sorry I did not make it clear, I meant in regards to the game, not the wiki.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 10:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Streetwalkin' cheetah with a heartful of napalm ==<br />
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A ruffian headbutted me for 1 damage today, as a human. Is this a new addition or am I slow? I basically came here to ask, Kevan, how does one headbutt? Is it a random occurance that may happen instead of excecuting the punch command? Just curious. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:22, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Heh. That would have been me, non? Headbutt works via ?actions, i simply installed a greasemonkey script that allows me to perform said action in harman form without using the ?action. Sometimes young ddr, the only way to fight fire is well, with fire ;) . --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:50, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::That would be biting with a mask while alive I assume. 'cause you can bite while alive but, for 1 damage.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:49, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like the shooting while a zombie cheat to me. That hasn't been fixed yet, has it? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:27 18 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::That was fixed just before April 1 this year, I remember because Red Rums April Fools plans were ruined.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 17:06, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::The only reason the shooting cheat got fixed was because enough people decided to whine about such a minor thing. No one really cares about this one and it's been known for a long long time. That being said the damage is reduced when trying to perform zombie actions while living, it's always punch damage and I think punch rates too.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:58, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Nah no mask, just 1 damage.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:55, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I wish to lay claim to be the first person to be headbutted for 1 damage by a harman. Then I'll be positively famous. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:52, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You aren't. Unfortunately i'm not original, i got the script that allows me to do this off viktor, first person i know of who got headbutted was Fiffy i think, check with Anime, he'll know! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:06, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Take it to [[Talk:Actions via "question marks"]], thanks kids... no need to bother Kevan with this. Basically all these attacks work as a punch with different flavour: they're all 25% to hit, 1 damage. And you're very late to the party, I know I and others have been doing this for 6 months or more. Pretty much from around the time ActOnProfile came out. <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:34, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And unlike shooting while a zombie...the damage able to be inflicted by this is minimal. I've been bitten by a harman before. It was hilarious. ;) --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 04:15, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aha! That sneaky gorilla's secret is revealed! At last the world makes sense again. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 05:09, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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/topic. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:31, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== so wait... new map? whats for monroeville? ==<br />
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2 questions....headshot on this map or?<br />
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and monroeville is at 260 poeple so im kinda wondering if theres anything left for it....<br />
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[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 10:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:First question, the first one to level 10'll find out. Question 2, get over it, there's been nothing there for ages...new city thyme :D --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Kazypoo1, Monroeville ''did'' die quite a while ago, in case you didn't notice... I thought it said 'permanent zombification' somewhere, and it only lasts a month, so I'm assuming its perma headshot. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::No, headshot doesn't mean permadeath in Borehamwood. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hello Kevan, quick question: The stats page currently displays the Monroeville numbers as {{udspan|(1023 standing survivors, 707 standing zombies, 43896 accounts created)}}. I take it this is Borehamwood numbers mixing with the old of Monroeville. So will we get separate stats for Borehamwood? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:So. That's basically 950 survivors against 200 zombies at the moment? Still I liked getting the rage. It was fun. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Good point. Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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With the new locations such as railway line(s) and petrol station(s), what do they bring to the game? Is their any new weapons/items? --[[User:Alcatraz311|Alcatraz311]] 15:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Was this why the server went down last night by any chance? =P -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Publicity of Big Brother house location ==<br />
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Greetings. I, amongst others, would like to know your opinion on publicity of the Big Brother house location on the wiki. Should it stay hidden or be revealed? --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 13:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Unless Kevan comes out and says otherwise, this is no different than any other location in the game. Removing it is in no way different to a group of trenchies removing [[Giddings Mall]] from the map in case [[MOB]] comes to visit. Information is free. Censorship is bad.<br />
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:This wiki is a game resource, not a vehicle for censorship so that certain players can increase their chances of winning a DVD.<br />
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:Also this information has already been disseminated to public UD forums and is available through public iwitnesses. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Had this talk with the Big Man before, and he said he has no problem with it. Actually, he imagined its coordinates would have been posted in a matter of hours on the wiki, and also broadcasted through radio and stuff like that. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's up to players how much information they share or conceal; I don't mind either way, in this case. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Wow... as if we don't get enough of the BB franchise on the idiot box, now we get huge BB eye's looking at us as we attack a mall in Malton? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:59 2 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:They'd only be there because someone chose to spraypaint them, but the graphic shouldn't have been showing up outside Borehamwood. This is now fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::OK, thanks. I have a particular hatred of the bastardisation of the original "big brother" concept that involves housemates <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:56 3 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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== Questions about your character ==<br />
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I assume this UD ID is yours, correct, UD ID-11? Well, I'd like to welcome you to West Grayside, though I don't appreciate the eating of so many brains. Also, I don't appreciate the Ninja Zombie status you seem to give yourself. we all know the military covers up things, but covering up their own skills? I scanned your zombie, listed as pre-death class Military, but you lack any military skills! So is just a sick joke, or is it a bug? Picture of scan here:<br />
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http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=classyw6.png<br />
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Thanks for checking.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Damn, that's a pretty smart catch! Bub is pretty famous among organized zombie players, and most folks know him for not having any human skills, but I never knew he was a "military class" character, as I've never seen the "living" version of his profile.<br>I doubt its a bug; G. Romeroe's "Bub" character was military. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 22:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::How did he get Military without any skills? .......... Oh wait.... Mad haxors skill... :P --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Bweing god of Urban dead helped as well; being able to defy the laws of logic and the 4rth dimension and whatnot. Wait whats his human account?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 03:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So, what is his human account? --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 17:00, 26 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::I don't think any of the survivor accounts are known, but we know he has them out there... Somewhere... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 02:41, 27 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=14 Kevan] doesn't seem to do much <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:11 27 September 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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== Mediawiki Update ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if there any chance of getting wiki software updated? The latest version is v1.13 and there are several useful new features, including: <br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
It's not urgent or anything, but it would be nice if you could put it on your busy to-do list :D.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That sounds pretty cool. =) Can we get it for Christmas? Means you'd only have to get us one present between us this year, saving you quite a lot of money. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Image undeletion is enabled by default as well-useful for when sysops accidentally delete a useful image {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Black Holes of Borehamwood==<br />
Evening. There's a couple of squares in [[Borehamwood]] that are seemingly unscoutable. Namely deep river sections. Can you confirm there's nothing mysterious and shiny hiding in the depths, islands and the like? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'd just like to also say thank you for the charcoal briquettes barricade message. Brought a smile to my face.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazing ==<br />
I'v always owndered for these 2 years; what in the hell DID amazing do anyways? What grim did is easy to see because of the publicity and recentism of it but what EXACTLY did amazing do?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amount of characters in a broadcast ==<br />
I was wondering, Since I started the [[Galaxy News Radio]] i've found that the very small amount of characters you can use is at best, a thorn in my side, couldn't it be possible to make the transmission amount of characters the same as for speaking, it makes perfect sense really --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 21:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If you want to make a suggestion for an in game feature, take it by [[Developing Suggestions]] and get some constructive criticism before putting it up for voting. Although as far as i'm aware the character cap exists to limit spamming of radio channels.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Actually it's probably more of a necessary thing like the 50 people limit in normal speak is. Radio can't share that limiter because that would eliminate it's whole purpose so the only other ways to limit it is to put an upper end on how much you can say per day per channel.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::It's a possibility, but since character limits (as far as i'm aware) predates the need for limiting talking to 50 it seems odd.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
Okie i'll take this to the development pages, thanks for the feed back though guys {{unsigned|An unlucky guy|11:00, November 23, 2008}}<br />
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==Dead Set Competition== <br />
Can I assume that the prizes and all went off without a hitch so I can update the competition as a Past event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, the winners have been selected and contacted, and talking to the cameras in the diary room no longer has any effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Trade?==<br />
Sorry to bother you but I was wondering why survivors can't trade. This could lead to more eaisly avalible equipment, I think there would be a limit thou. Generators couldn't be traded etc. I think that it might help the humans in a bunch of Unbalanced claims. Players could not trade to same Ip address characters would stop cheating and it could lead to characters traveling round Malton selling there wares which would be fun to see. My regards it's a great game and I've got a bunch of my freinds playing now too. Thanks from me and them [[User:Athur birling]]<br />
:Heya. If you want to make a suggestion for an addition to the game you should go [[suggestions|here]]. In the meantime check out [[Frequently_Suggested#Giving_or_Trading_Items|this]] which explains why trading is generally seen as a bad idea. Anyway, welcome to the totally awesome UD wiki!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The [http://www.urbandead.com/faq.html#trade FAQ] does hint at trading, but he also says it will take lots of thought. I imagine the coding would be nightmarish too. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::you know what link? you're alllllllllllllllllright.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks {{unsigned|Athur birling}}<br />
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==Making a list? Checking it Twice?==<br />
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We getting a chrimbo update? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow? ==<br />
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Are you hiding it under your cap? Or NO SNOW FOR MALTON WINTER 08'? I miss mah flakie friends! --[[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 21:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:[http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a841/a841.gif Al Gore was right]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd like to put in another vote for snow! I missed the fog this year at Halloween and the snow really added some nice flavour in my opinion. --[[User:Queen Mum|Queen Mum]] 00:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Need moar snow. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== what, no more newspapers? ==<br />
they don't seem to be showing up in hospitals anymore. got rid of them, eh? any chance of them coming back, i love smacking people with 'em! :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:They should be somewhere else maybe? It was annoying with them in hospies. Luckily all ma guys have them already :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Still plenty of places to find [[newspapers]], guys. lrn2wiki. <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, there are no more newspapers in Hospitals. I search them often, and not in ages have I found a newspaper therein. Update that wiki page? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Same here. Seems safe to update. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== I can't smash Xmas lights??? ==<br />
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Those darned Whos! I hate them!! But seriously, the option to smash christmas lights in a ruined building is not available. This is blatant discrimination against zombie scrooges. I protest! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:My apologies. I figured it out. :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hi, I'm a big fan. I finally found your talk page and I have a question, can you reinstall headshots in Monroeville as the humans think they can take down us zeds........--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leaving nice messages for Kevan is fine, however we have a system for suggesting improvements. Please go to [[Developing_Suggestions|Developing Suggestions]] and suggest it there. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 19:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Character Deleted == <br />
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I wanted to make sure that this [[Fixed_Bugs#Teleport_across_Malton_and_level_0_account||bug]] was fixed but it appears that it is not fixed. If you are on the edge of Malton and go to http:urbandead.com/map.cgi?v=100-99 it will mess up your character. I did this with my charachter Yark and now whenever I log in I can't perform any actions with him, and it seems his skills have been deleted: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815674 --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 20:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No! Yark! =( -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Just replicated it by going from 0,99 to 0,100 in New Arkham with a random throwaway I just made: [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1442227 Testy McTesterson]. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I hate to say it, I killed mister <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=142058 password]</span>. After more poking, I have observed even more; Couple of AP and permadeath, I'm the first to go from Spicer Hills to Dakerstown instantly. I'll work out more details when my IP hits refresh, as I just used a proxy that I didn't much like. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::<nowiki>:</nowiki>'( --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::password will live on. (and probably be revivificated) Also, what about 100-100? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::[[:Image:Testy.jpg|We're alive!!]] =D We're level 0 and we've got a zombie chewing on us, but we're alive!! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Fixed. I've dropped Yark into a random, secure building, and given the character 1000XP to get up and running again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The bug? Or Yark? password and Testy are level 0.. The bug was interesting, odd behaviour, but it would be nice if after a server reset you could be free to move again. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 18:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The bug. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 18:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Project Namespace ==<br />
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we have few projects, yet i was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting to have them in their own namespace. Thus projects like [[The Great Mall Project]] and [[ALiM]] would be located in [[Project:The Great Mall Project]] and [[Project:ALiM]]. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but "Project" is a builtin alias for whatever the name of the wiki is (here it's "UDWiki"). e.g. [[Project:Administration]] is the same as [[UDWiki:Administration]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Darn, forgot about that. Maybe in the plural then, [[Projects:The Great Mall Project]] --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::That would just be confusing.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Just Plain Vanity ==<br />
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Any chance of a {{Udspan|''' Dermot O'Leary was still alive and active one month into the Borehamwood quarantine.'''}} ? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== about the admin team ==<br />
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how do you feel about the current sysop team of the wiki ? do you have any problems with how we run things ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:does he give a fuck? recent history would suggest probably not. Stop fishing for compliments hagnat. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:okay that came out a little harsh, but i don't see why you want to bring kevan into this other than for your own gratification. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Hedging much? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 13:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::It's pretty easy to predict what he's going to say. Why would he complain? You can't have nothing to do with your own games wiki then rock up and say 'i hate the way you people run it' and then disappear again. Unless he wants to get involved in the wiki again kevan ''can't'' say he has a problem with the way they run it. Although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Easier than that, last time someone asked him to weigh in on promotions his response was that he basically didn't want his opinion brought into the matter. So No Comment is probably the best bet.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Me? I'm just the guy who provides the hosting, here - I'll step in if there are server issues, or if a rogue bureaucrat locks the wiki down, but everything else is up to the community. If I wanted to have a say in wiki policy, or who should and shouldn't be a sysop, I'd already be doing that. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::J3D 1, haggy, zerrro. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Hey, he gives a fuck about how the community is run. He just won't say how much or what he gives a fuck about. :D --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span></small> 02:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I think Hagnat's concerned for his sysop status. I would be too if I was a ''trusted user'' that was acting against the wishes of the community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop right there Iscariot! I am sick and tired of you constantly saying that every sysop on the team is going agaisnt the wishes of the community! Most of the community never has a problem with the current admin team, and when they do it's rarely a huge problem. Now you come on Kevan's page and still continue the bad mouthing. Just face it, no matter what you will never be pleased with the administration and so you will constantly have to pretend that the whole community is on your side so that you will feel right in your head.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::How many people are there playing the game? How many are on this wiki? Yes, some people don't have time to spend on anything other than playing the game, but how many people are putting hours a day into the meta game and ''still'' won't touch this wiki without an exceptional reason? And how many of those people have told you that the current administration team is one of the primary reasons? My total ''will'' beat yours. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The wiki is an information source. Almost everything is explained in game when you encounter it (1st death, 1st Rez. etc.) So, not every one needs to touch the wiki or even use it as a resource. <br />
::::The wiki is the worst place to organize and meta-game. Just ask DHPD. When we were just Project:T.I.M.E. (well, before the Dead/DoDH) we were seriously outnumbered by them, but because they had all of their profiles linked on here and updated where they were going to be and who they were working with and so on we knew enough about them to take them out. The wiki shouldn't be for the meta-game it should be for information. That's why most groups of note have an off site forum to metagame. You can't blame the current staff because people have figured out that giving away too much information on their groups is bad thing.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::That has so little to do with what iscariot said.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Get it off Kevan's page. He doesn't need to be bothered with a dispute between users. Have it out on each others talk pages, or even mine, just don't start bringing it here. Okay?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 01:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I know, I'm sorry. I just wanted to counter Iscariot's comment because I know exactly what he's trying to accomplish by posting that. I, unlike Iscariot, am done here now.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Much as I hate the way Iscariot is going about his crusade I have to say he does have a point. The sysop team probably does not represent the view of even a large minority of players and that explains why so few players contribute. Not that i think its all the Admin teams fault, but the rules they follow and enforce reflect a community that no longer exist. Most sysops were promoted long before most current players even heard of the game yet the tag "trusted user" is still attached to the title "SYSOP". Few current wiki users vouched for them and fewer still of the actual player base and yet they still cling to positions claiming that "popular" votes undermine the system! They are right that popularity does not mean competence but... Franky i find it a bit odd that sysops can claim the label "trusted user" and not be willing to allow the community to confirm that label. Look back to Conn's promotion bid, or Boxy's or Hagnats or even Kareks and even without checking i can say with confidence that at least half those that vouched are no longer active.... Now i personally '''Would''' vouch for them all but my point is that they were not voted in by the current community and the claims that they are trusted users wear very thin in light of the fact that they do not seem willing to trust the communities opinion on pretty much any issue!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The sysop team doesn't have to represent the view of a large majority of players, it only has to represent the view of the wiki community. Whenever I play a browser game I don't always sign up to their forums/wiki/whatever they have. A large portion of users probably won't bother contributing to the wiki because so many other users already are. If I was to ask you, "what needs contributing to on the wiki?", I'm sure you probably won't have many answers. The only things of note are suggestions and suburb reports, and not everybody is interested in that (and the drama which comes with each of them). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:26/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::I have a few, if you want a list feel free to pester me some time.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 02:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree that the only bits of the wiki that interest most players are the Maps, suggestions and suburb reports (I include maps because i assumed you had forgotten them?) that said i do think that the system is set up to support the views of long time players (contributors) rather than the new players who are actually the lifeblood of the game. While obviously the wiki needs to pay some attention to long time editors like me,wan,cyberbob,ahlg,etc... i would think it would be far more important to promote the wiki to new uers. I still play (and i hope/assume that those named do too) and i would hope that everyone on the admin team does to but it has to be said that without change the game becomes dull and people leave. If the wiki and its admin team does not reflect the changing demographic of the game it is missing what is surely a fundemental point for its existence?--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I remembered the maps, but I did not include them because there is very little to nothing which a new user can contribute to (which is what I'm focusing on). I agree, we should encourage new users to join and contribute, however most of the other work is maintence which doesn't exactly draw the crowd. If you have an idea which would encourage new productive users to sign up then I'ld like to hear it. I'ld be more then happy to help flesh out any ideas you may have. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:50/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::::I think my wiki Urban Dead game could draw in some people to play. They could even make their own once I finish the template. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Autoconfirmed group ==<br />
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Hi Kevan. Just want to ask a quick question. We've had a couple of policies about setting up an autoconfirmed group recently and I thought it might be a good idea to check in with you about it. Depending on the result of [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Autoconfirmed Group Trial|this policy]] would you been willing to implement an autoconfirmed group on the wiki as a trial to see how we get on with it? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No problem. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks. =) -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Quick Questions ==<br />
Sorry to take up your time, but I'm just wandering what you think of the games on the Related Games page. (ie, Nexus War, Shartak, Outbreak, etc). Also on Shartak, Leaky Blocks (It's creator) said that you encouraged Shartak's developement and that you play shartak. Is that true?--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 15:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Shartak's the only spinoff I've played, and yes, Simon/Leaky is an old friend of mine. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Why no chainsaws ==<br />
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:''content moved to [[User_talk:Jakezing|Jakezing talk page]]''<br />
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== Updating the Wiki software, 2.0 ==<br />
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The wiki software, as it stands, is two years old (ish, in the coming month.) As well as the obvious bugfixes and minor changes that can't be gone into detail here, 1.13.3 of MediaWiki has some useful new features that we could use:<br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
*Image undeletion enabled by default<br />
*A prettier [[Special:Specialpages|list of special pages]] (compare to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages Wikipedia's])<br />
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There are heaps of other changes-you can look at the release notes linked [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/News here]. I know that updating the server will take some time, but it would be nice if you could add it to your busy schedule.<br />
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<sub>I stole some of that list from [[User:The General|The General]] above</sub><br />
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Would this increase information between the server and peers= server load increase? {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 12:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think so. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I can't see how it would, but I can't say for sure. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:It's on the to-do list. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Awesome, thanks.--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel -</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks Kevan. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What's your view on adding extensions to the wiki? I'm not talking anything specific here, just in general. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Xmas ==<br />
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Xmas is over, and there are clearly no more Xmas decorations or trees, but the update message was not changed, and there is still the option to hold onto Xmas decorations if found. Perhaps removing that option (and next year posting when Xmas is over) would be helpful? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 13:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Don't take away my Christmas trees... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Christmas trees have been a vehicle for meta-challenges and games when they do pop up. It's fun flavor even in the middle of the year. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool]] and the [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool II]] are a couple examples. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::In sounds like you guys think I am requesting trees be removed altogether. I am not. I mean, the announcement still exists on the main page about the trees and light being available, even though they no longer are, so I am suggesting cycling the announcement to something "current".--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow ==<br />
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Perhaps I have missed something, but did the livestock and industry prevent snowfall last winter? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Misconduct Case Feb 2009==<br />
A user has brought a case over on [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#The_Entire_Sysop_Team.2C_excluding_Kevan_and_.22Urbandead.22|the Administration: Misconduct page]] that indicts every member of the administration team except your personal account and the Urban Dead admin account also controlled by yourself. Due to the obvious problems with ruling on cases in which you are also a named party, none of the current administration team may rule on the case (that is if they conform to the community's policies). Would it be possible for you to quickly look over the case and either rule misconduct or not misconduct to prevent unnecessary fall out? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Pretty sure Kevan isn't going to buy into this shit fyi --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I think you're mistaking me for Read. Fact is, that case is going to sit there for a couple of weeks whilst you and he debate the finer points of whatever it is you discuss. If an involved sysop (as they all are) removes it then we're asking for drama. Kevan can spend five minutes and solve the whole thing for the community, even if he just states that he declines to get involved and rule, which will obviously mean that the sysops cannot be found guilty of misconduct and this will allow the case to be archived. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I may have to agree with Iscariot here. Getting Kevan to say something, anything, will be the only way to end the case without pissing off Read and causing him to file another misconduct case to whomever is the sysop responsible for breaking procedure and then causing a '''huge''' wave of drama, and we all know he's chomping at the bit for something truly substantial to hit the administration with.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 18:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The amount of drama someone causes is only as much as everyone else allows them to (I wasn't mistaking you for Read btw Iscariot; I wasn't intending to implicate you whatsoever). If nobody feeds the troll he will eventually starve to death. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::My opinions on Read, yourself, the sysop team and Santa Claus aren't involved here. The simple fact that allowing the precedent of an involved party to remove a case shouldn't be something we're striving for. Personally I'd rather have Kevan rule, and I think we all know which way. However provided that Kevan publicly responds in some way, even if that response is ''"I'm not ruling, I don't get involved"'', then we have a way to remove the case validly. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::kk --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Read was irrelevant, he wouldn't have continued it and Iscariot has no intentions here but to try and cause said drama. It's what he always does, jumping on something someone else made and perverting it for his own attempts at causing needless drama and faux rebellion to stroke his ego that the sysops who punish him for his actions aren't trusted by the community. The validity of the case was never relevant to his trying to stir shit, neither was the legitimacy of any action a sysop could take in response to it, to him it's all gonna be called abuse. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Not seeing any reason to get involved here; either the misconduct system is poorly worded, or it's being misinterpreted. You shouldn't be able to accuse all but one sysop of misconduct, and allow that one sysop to judge the rest. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::yase, justice have prevailed --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 23:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Massive Zerging in Dunell Hills ==<br />
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About three days ago a large number of new characters all called "TheDeadDie" (i.e., TheDeadDie1 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467702, TheDeadDie15 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467737, etc.) started appearing in Dunell Hills. The first the DHPD heard of it was this iWitness report.<br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-10-09_2000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_5-36_zergertown_a5d-400-1db.html<br />
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There are now, apparently, over 100 of these characters.<br />
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Obviously there is an outside possibility this is a large group of new players but, on the whole, it looks like zerging on a massive scale.<br />
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The DHPD are currently trying to find out more about the situation and deal with it. We thought we should give you a heads up, however, in case there was something obvious in the server logs that would provide definitive proof of zerging and allow swift action to be taken at your end. We understand that you normally prefer to keep out of zerging cases, but this looks pretty outrageous to us and we thought you should, at least, know about it. [[User:Louise|Louise]] 11:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Aye, [[HKL]] ran into this bunch as well and were pretty put-off. [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-11-09_0200hrs_PRIVATE/IN_5-36_Dead_Zerg_Rush__a51-c5d-8a0.html Another iWitness] with even more of them crowded in. Profile search for [http://profiles.urbandead.net/index.php?name=TheDeadDie* TheDeadDie*] shows 102 of them at the moment. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::zergs like that are usually a flash in the pan. 10 bucks says they all idle out before level 3--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 15:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible big ass Zerg in Yagoton ==<br />
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Ok: We have ALOT of Fing lvl 1 free runnerfs hiding in St. Swithuns (which i am guessing you know is a revive point), its caded thanks to the idiots trying ot take over: and I'm guessing this mass colection of lvl 1 free runners (they all have free running only) are bots? They all joined around the exact same time as well.<br />
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*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471315<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471341<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471355<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471480<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471498<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471519<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=163604<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471501<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471358<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471347.<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471324<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471331<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471350<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471366<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471492<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471504<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471367<br />
:Those are the links, srry bout stretching but i forget which one tabs it into a Number.<br />
::Heres a picture of them all in one area. http://i43.tinypic.com/2lwr7k1.jpg<br />
:::Srry bout the mess this is making on the talk.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Take the list to resensitized, that's about all that you can do. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 05:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::One question about that picture. Where'd you get a version of UDToolbar that works with the latest version of Firefox? --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 08:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I just downloaded one? What's different about it? Also theres even more zergs now.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 13:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Jake, unlike how some folks would be I'll be nice here...Kev doesn't do anything about Zergs from info received on the wiki. as a matter of fact Kevan doesn't do a whole lot unless there was a significant amount of community input via the suggestions page and even then it is at his leisure. The Zerg issue is pretty much handled by other folks on the resens list and even then its pretty catch as catch can. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 19:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::No wonder UD fail so hard.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::As many have said before, if you don't like it, then leave. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I think he has sadism issues, as we try and try to get him to leave, but he always keeps coming back for moar abuse. It's sad really.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::You can tell me to go but that doesnt give you the power to make it happen.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I'm not telling you to leave, but it would probably be a good decision if you think UD fails. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 15:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::That's masochism, not sadism. --{{User:William Told/Sig}} 01:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Random Request ==<br />
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Next time you create a new city, any chance of bringing back the junkyard and wirecutters combo? Cheers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:+1. I have to admit to being bitterly disappointed to find open junkyards in Monroeville. :'( {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==TOU/S==<br />
Do we have a Terms of use/service page? I've been looking for a while, and I don't seem to see one. It'd be nice if we did, because then we'd know things that are expressly forbidden due to hosting issues and the like.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:If you cannot find it: it does not exist.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 22:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Oh piss off. No one is fooled by your act, so please just fuck off. Kevan? Do we have a list of things that are forbidden due to country laws, hosting issues, etc. or not (Not necessarily meaning it's available on this site, but one that you know about that pertains to the wiki)? I mean, yeah there are a few "duh" sort of ones, like no kiddie porn and stuff, but others I have no idea about. Any help?--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.com This site] (domain tools,) says that [http://www.as29550.net/ this] is his ISP, server located in England. The ISP has an "Abuse of TOS" email address, so presumably they have a TOS, although I can't find it. I have no idea about English law. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::From time on another, more combative, site I have a layman's understanding of British Law as it applies to defamation, slander, libel and the nature of physical threats and illegal actions that appertain to the settlement of the aforementioned. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::A brief education by the University of Google finds no such laws relating to death threats, but I would imagine that such a law would be buried deep in things like criminal codes. If it comes to it, I'll ask one of my teachers about the (Australian) legal system when it comes to these things, or one of my parents (both lawyers.) That said, that's ''Australian'' law, but our law is pretty similar to that of the UK. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Back in the Day Xoid and I had to do some research on the TOS because of a user abusing in serious violation of them. However I've gone looking and haven't been able to find the references anywhere still on the Wiki. It was probably on a talk page of some article that was deleted in an edit without being archived. The primary gist of it was this... any form of intimidation that went beyond a certain level of namecalling and usual wiki BS was a violation, ESPECIALLY if it included "real world"<sup>tm</sup> threats of harm or violence. Also included were any situation where hosted domains were used to damage the effectiveness of another website or host (as an example you couldn't use any part of the host to launch a d.o.s. attack on another domain. Not that this was really possible by anyone but Kevan. Also iirc the Wiki and the Game were on different hosts at teh time but I'm pretty sure that has changed since then. I don't know. I was never the techno-savant of the group and my memory is hazy. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Thanks Conn, that's a little bit of what I'm looking for. Just waiting for a response from the big man about all this now.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I also thought we had some basic terms on the wiki somewhere, but maybe we don't. The Poundhost terms of service are [http://www.poundhost.com/tos/ here]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Thank you, I'll start working on a page for the wiki.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 14:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|Semi-protection]] ==<br />
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...Was approved. I think all you have to do is change the autoconfirmed group to 1 week and 25 edits. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Going to update the config, it turns out that [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAutoConfirmCount $wgAutoConfirmCount] needs a later version of MediaWiki; this will either have to wait for a MediaWiki upgrade, or be reproposed without the edit count. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::We'll wait for the MediaWiki upgrade, there's no hurry. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wiki_Questions#Time_Travel?|Time Travel]] ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, we've just had a very weird thing happening with the edit histories. Where you trying to do something or was it just a bug? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No, I wasn't around at the time, I've no idea what that was about. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Okay, thanks. I'll do some poking at the Mediawiki help files if I have time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ever gonna update the game? ==<br />
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a lot of people are quitting the game.it's because you won't update the game. you need to push for 2-3 updates per month. i'm telling you so your game does not suffer. please update the game for the people's sake--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:How many games do you run, Yokotory? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Well I do run track and Cross-country. I ski on the weekends.Do you run at any games or track meets?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, rowing and weights are my sporting loves. The difference is that I'm not telling you how to run or ski, whilst you are trying to tell Kevan how to run a game which is heading toward four years of lifespan without once having had your help. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::I refuse to believe that Jerrel wasn't being a smartarse there. The concept of him actually taking your words in that way for real is just too retarded for words. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 06:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::He was kidding wasn't he?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I believe they call it intentional misinterpretation, an example of me employing that very device is on either Boxys or kareks talk page, something to do with alim and hagnat...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I was faced with the choice of believing that he's either cripplingly unfunny or a functionally illiterate retard. The evidence all pointed to 'Retard' so I went with that and answered as though serious.--[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 12:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
No, I'm telling him that his game is going into despair, whilist he is doing nothing about it.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And you're also telling him how to 'fix' it, which amounts to exactly what I said. Care to back up your claims? How far have numbers fallen in the last six months? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I really don't think a 'lack' of updates is the reason for dropping numbers. I'm not 100% sure the balance of some of the more recent updates is quite right but that isn't my call. But the game doesn't need a barrage of updates coming out every other month. The slow progression of the game over time gives it longer life than having quick fix after quick fix to keep people with low attention spans happy.--[[User:DI Marc Sweeny|DI Sweeny]] 01:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The numbers seems to have stagnated, actually. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
I'd like to thank you Kevan for taking your sweet time in updating the game. It's making it a little less full of people entirely incapable of self-motivation, thus making it more fun. Kudos to you sir. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Acctully Kevan is my idol. kevan is a good person for what he's doon.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 02:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Isn't this the dude who nominated himself for sysop after 200 edits? Yoko, do you think you could whip us up a cross-country and/or track MMORPG? Because that would be ''awesome''. Throw in some chainsaws, too, and maybe some crucifixes that shoot laser beams. You would totally show up Kevan! --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 04:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Okay, Now you all think I'm a retard. Sorry for pointing out what everyone else could not see. Sorry for pointing out the obvious. Most people in this game, (the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats, pardon me)would agree with me a think this game needs a freakin update. I take cybertonics and Coding as a special class at GU and I know it's hard to code, I've tryed it. But Kevan IS A TRAINED SPECIALIST. He could redo this entire game in a half hour if he wanted too. sooooo, whays a 1 UPDATE PER MONTH? is that so hard to ask?????<br />
add a new weopon, new builing, something. Please.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Last year kevan gave us 18 updates including 2 new cities. Give him a rest. {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And most all of them had someone complaining about the game being made harder or more complicated. A few legitimately, most because it screwed with their status quo. I have absolutely no clue why he would want to take his time between updates.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Making an update is a '''lot''' more than just coding it. The balance needs to be thought of thoroughly and it needs to be tested. These things take time. Sure, Kevan could probably push out ''one update a week'' if he wanted to and wasn't lazy, but those would be unbalanced and buggy updates. Unbalanced and buggy updates are more likely to drive people away than a lack of updates. The game simply doesn't need to change every month, not even every couple of months. If you find the game boring, ''go and do something interesting and different yourself''. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 09:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. Lots of rushed, unbalanced updates would simply destroy the game (and it has nearly [[On Strike|got to that point]] before.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Finally someone who agrees with me!!! Why drag out updates?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 21:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:"the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats" - Just so you know, I'm neither. Carry on. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm actually the only sysop to comment in this conversation - and I did it [[Talk:Main_Page#Out_of_date.3F|here]] (with the exception of Karek, who'll be [[A/DM|demoted soon.]]) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I find myself in the middle of this arguement, in terms of the two sides. On the one hand, I don't want Kevan to break the game balance every week, fix it and then break it in a different way the next week, but on the other I feel that an update is about due.<br />
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Besides, I think an update every two months or so isn't much of an ask, even if its just adding an item from the PR suggestions. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Can we please close this topic? Everyone wants to say something about Jerrel's ridiculous statement but I don't think it's worth the spam that it's leaving on Kevan's page. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Im sure on the 1st of april there will be an update. usually is! {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
Hey!!!! Everyone that wants an update should get together and go on strike!!!!!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop talking now. A strike for something as lame-assed as this is nothing short of pitiful. You are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
[[Image:Update.JPG]] because i had already done this and it seems a shame to waste such a half assed effort. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with both sides of this. I believe we need updates BIG TIME, but I also believe Jerrel has no right blaming Kevan. He's probably a busy man. As for a strike: No. Plain and simple. Now, can we stop spamming Kevan's pages please? Kthzbye. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::What do we so badly need an update for? The game is well balanced and has a fairly complex and robust play. More fiddly little detail skills likely won't improve that play any, and won't draw in / hold onto more players. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 06:40, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
Why won't Kevan Reply back to this?<br />
<br>I know i was being kind of offensive to you Kevan, so sorry.<br />
<br> But would you mind telling me WHY you won't update the game?<br />
I mean, you gave us two new cities last year!<br />
<br> and i appriciate it, but the game hasn't been updated since 2008!<br />
so, if you don't mind, i would really like to hear what you have to say.<br />
<br> (And please don't flip out on me, even though I have been a jerk)<br />
<br> And i'm also apologizing for being a jerk too.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 01:33, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Making new cities brings in motherfuckin' cash money. Adding skills and what have you doesn't. Comprende? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:28, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:We had an update just 15 days ago! --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 08:55, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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WE DID NOT! LOOK AT THE FREAKING UD START PAGE! NO UPDATE-PREHENDA?----[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 04:18, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Erm, the [[April Fool's]] Day update, the one that happens every year? My god you're dense. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:01, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
<nowiki>*facepalms*</nowiki><br />
<br>Sorry kevan, i usually get all my updates from the game.<br />
<br>nothing unusual happened to me on april 1st though.<br />
<br>i think i'm losing myself.<br />
<br>I AUTHERIZE TOPIC SELF-DESTRUCTION!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 15:52, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:In a word: Fail. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:59, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::He spams Kevan's talk page with so much crap I want to take him to VB... {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:36, 19 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:::I still say kevan should get some people to help him run the game, its rather fun and large for one person ot have to run alone. Oh and I'm not saying me, no I'd abuse it by banning a 4rth of the game and making revives harder again.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 23:58, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Donated Characters == <br />
Any chance that the "This character is no longer affected by the IP limit." banner that appears on your profile if you have donated $5 could be shown to everyone that visits the profile, not just the owner of the profile.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:exhibitionist. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And proud.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I think there's people who would not want that. Maybe if it was an option you could allow / turn off via settingas? {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:39, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I'd have it say "This character has been donated for.", but really, it's basically just showing off – link to your wiki page from your profile and [[Template:Donated|show off there]]. Oh, and I think you meant to post this in [[Developing Suggestions]]. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 08:12, 20 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I would totally come back to just pk people who have donated.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 04:37, 26 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::You've left?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 16:17, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Standing Zombies ==<br />
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Kevan, I can't find the topic from last time around, but the borehamwood stats. Standing zombies means literally that doesn't it. Active zombies with greater than 0 hit points? Not just active zombie characters? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:52, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Question about the last Update ==<br />
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"Survivors are once again looting the long-abandoned seasonal storerooms of the city's shopping malls, to find lights and trees for their safehouses." I'm assuming Christmas season in Malton is really long then, just wondering what kind of in game explanation we could use, --[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:01, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:"The snow has subsided and survivors are ready to feel bad about themselves again". Not that an explanation matters. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 03:11, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
::No, it's just5 that it seems awkward ot explain why we are still getting christmas trees in the middle of spring thats all: and we might wanna get a explanation, or kevan could take them out in a mini-update.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 2 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Where to suggest technical issues? ==<br />
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I have gathered [[User:Tumu/GameTech|a list of technical issues]] which might need a look (as they have been unfixed since 2007), but they don't exactly fit the bug reports page either (not user visible/annoying issues). Would this be more appropriate place to get a review for them? --[[User:Tumu|Tumu]] 09:26, 25 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:They do seem unlike those that go to [[Bug Reports]], but I think the best place ''would'' be to take them there. I'm only suggesting that however because no one else has given you any direction, and I apoligise for that. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:57, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Noted; there do seem to be a few weird oversights in there. Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:14, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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::Speaking of weird things, is it intentional for Flesh Rotters to get the benefits while alive? I'd have thought that since they were alive, their flesh wasn't rotting, so they wouldn't get the Flak+Body Building effects while alive. I'd like to know, because I'm going to make a suggestion to have it that way if its current effect is intended. if it's not intended, then this can be moved to Bug Reports. Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:41, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Bub's in danger! ==<br />
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Just so you know, a page dedicated to your character [[Bub]] is up for deletion. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:51, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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Yeah kevan please come and save that great page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:20, 29 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== A few things ==<br />
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Firstly, about that MediaWiki upgrade. Sorry if I'm pestering you, it's just that it would be quite useful (an upgrade to Checkuser would be nice as well, I've seen screenshots of a later version and it looks like it streamlines the process a little.)<br />
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Secondly, a user asked me the other day (a few weeks ago) about a problem he was having in my chatbox:<br />
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{{Quote|VI|Link, I need haaaaalp! I'm trying to make a shoutbox, here. The problem: when I, to get rid of the horizontal scrollbar, use "overflo*w:auto" instead of "overflow:scroll" the wiki's spam filter won't let me use that code. I don't know if you can edit the spamfilter (I'm wiki illiterate), but do you know how I can fix this? Thanks a ton. VI 22:05, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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I confirmed it myself, and wrote<br />
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{{Quote|Linkthewindow|Hmm... that's really odd. I can't edit the spam filter (at least not what I know of,) but I need to as Kevan about something {*cough*MediaWiki upgrade*cough*) so I'll ask him then. For future reference, I'll need this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features page]. Linkthewindow Talk 22:29, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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Finally, and on a pedantic note, would it be okay if you could turn the Guides namespace into a proper one? So [[Talk:Guides:Shelter]] is rendered as Guides talk:Shelter. As far as I know, there are a few in the Guide: namespace too, so we'll have some moving to do if this is done (sysops, of course.)<br />
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Thanks for your time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:58, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:I second this nudge.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:03, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:"over<nowiki></nowiki>flow:auto" is a standard spambot trick for hiding all their links in a 1px div, which I think we were having trouble with a few years ago. The filtering is possibly hardcoded somewhere.<br />
:If there's general support for another namespace, point me at the discussion and I'll add it.<br />
:Updating MediaWiki is on the list, but below "update the actual game" at the moment. I'll fit it in when I can. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:12, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Okay, then thanks. It's not a big deal about the spam filter, I'll start a discussion at [[Talk:Guides]] (although I can't see it being a big deal) and thanks about the upgrade. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:15, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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Kevan will doo it! Also, happy very belated birthday (13 May?) assuming your Amazon wishlist is correct!<tt>:D</tt> --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:24, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Oh, and don't [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|forget about this]] <tt>;)</tt>. And happy belated birthday! Only one month late. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:24, 4 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Suggesting Suggestions Change ==<br />
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I want your opinion on a proposed change I have to the Suggestions Layout. I’d think it would be more efficient to have a normal suggestions area, a clothing suggestions area, and a humorous suggestions area, all with links listed one after the other on the main voting page. I also see the humorous suggestions layout is a bit confusing, and I would recommend splitting it into 2 parts, the funny and the non-funny, then splitting it into the many categories (areas of effect) under each heading. I’d also ask if the humorous suggestions voting process would become something similar to the normal process, with each suggestion open for 2 weeks, but no SPAM votes (just FUNNY or NOT FUNNY). Would this be a viable option? I’d think the layout changes should at least make it easier to find and view them all.<br />
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I would also like to know if there’s a process for suggesting that certain stuff be added to the Frequently Suggested section on the main voting area. There seem to be some common ones I’d like to have added to the list.<br />
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I also have a question about the normal voting process that only you can answer. Does SPAM=STRONG KILL? I see it’s still a common issue today, and it’s still debated if you can vote SPAM for a strong kill, or only vote SPAM if a suggestion is game-breaking or horribly unnecessary. Also, could you check the voting guidelines section and make sure it matches whatever your decision is? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:46, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:In too many years of wasted time here I don't recal Kevan ever directly commenting on suggestions (or indeed much of anything else) so I doubt he is going to start now. Personally I wouldn't worry about where a suggestion heads just so long as its not unjustly '''SPAMMED''' and that's pretty rare. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:51, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::He does things every once in a while, when it actually requires his attention. Normally his hands off approach works pretty well because we manage to handle everyhting.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:58, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Okay, well, what are your takes on this then?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 18:11, 23 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Huge Ruin bug could leave the whole of [[Borehamwood]] caded in less than a month. ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, <br />
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Wednesday night a member of my borehamwood survivor group did a very large suicide repair, when he logged himself back on, he found he had 50ap and the building was repaired.<br />
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Thursday night, I attempted my own suicide repair and yet again the same thing happened.<br />
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We've done a lot of suicide repairs and as such we know that these were the highest repairs we have attempted. And they both worked. To check our findings, we asked another survivor to repeat the experiment, to confirm our spadework was correct. <br />
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It was. Not only that, but this survivor was able to enact the repair, recade the building to ehb and then enact ANOTHER suicide repair, which left them BACK on 50ap. In fact the survivor managed to repeat this 6 times. With one character. In one day. Before the 300 IP for one character kicked in. <br />
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At this time 4 of us survivors know the exact technique, but at least 10 others are pretty close to working it out (AP levels etc). I reckon by sunday all 51 survivors will have worked it out.<br />
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As it stands the whole challenge of surviving borehamwood is moot. We can't do coma repairs on 99% of buildings without this happening, and Im not expecting zeds to hang around with this giant loophole. It also destroys the smugness us survivors have from surviving for 6 months. <br />
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All 4 survivors who do know the trick have currently stopped repairing buildings within the range, but I can't control the whole population.<br />
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At the minute survivors could repair the whole of NE Borehamwood, Radlett or Elstree in a day, 1 survivor could reclaim the big brother house on their own, <br />
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Apologies for the lack of screenshots, but with permadeath as it is, we don't want to give away our position. <br />
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It seems to be a dupe of the following case on bug reports. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Bug_Reports#Massively_negative_AP_causes_AP_reset<br />
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Apologies for posting it here, but I felt the game breaking nature of this bug warrants the intrusion. Let me know if you need more details. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Thanks. Building repair has now been temporarily disabled in Borehamwood and Monroeville, while this is fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:46, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::When you say massive repair, do you mean it's bringing you to under -255 AP? I could think of some weird wrapping thing happening when the AP gets too negative and it tries to make it positive or something, capping at the 50 AP norm. 255's the magic number for how large a single byte can represent. It's may have something to do with what type of data Kevin's storing AP with - integer, double, float, etc. (whoo edit conflicted by Kevan) --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:49, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::The cutoff point (Now its banned) is -150ap Any suicide repair that takes you below this value creates the reset. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::::Very strange... -150 to 50 is a range of 200, nothing particularly significant. Then again, I have no idea how Kevan coded AP regen. Now the big repair costs have come back to bite in an ironic kind of way, eh? :P --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:53, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Its quite a wide range. Theres probably been only a handful of such building in Malton's history. Borehamwood has a whole cities worth. If it takes a while kev can we have an amnesty in the cities? Those pesky zeds are always chewing on our cades. I wouldn't mind but I've only got one life. :).--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:55, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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:This bug has now been fixed, and repairs have been enabled again in the other two cities. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:08, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Thanks Kevan! Swiftly done I must say. May all your future updates be bug free.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:10, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Twenty minutes... I'm hella impressed. Thanks for fixing this. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 17:18, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Wut? But half way up are the oldest posts, then they go up, then they go down... Thsi page is confusing ...--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Pointless [[Borehamwood]] request == <br />
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Can we have a public broadcasting system too? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:57, 3 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks for updating ==<br />
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Just wanted to say thanks for updating the game, I realize it's probably not high on your list of priorities. I'm sure everyone who plays appreciates it. --[[User:Mike411|Mike411]] 00:25, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
: Same here, Thanks Kev --[[User:Imthatguy|Imthatguy]] 04:41, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|This bug]] ==<br />
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As promised, I'm just giving you a heads up regarding [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|this display error]] that happens when UDToolbar interacts with the new update. We suspected it was a clash between the UDToolbar's manual HP colouriser and the new update colouriser, and Moonshine was able to go through some code to try and give you a hand. You may have already seen it, but hopefully what Moonshine and others have done can help you. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 14:27, 6 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Grammar Error==<br />
Just so you know, there's a grammatical error in the Fort Transmitter broadcast message:<br />
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''You broadcast [message] on 25.97 MHz, the using the fort's secure channel.''<br />
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It isn't going to break the game or anything, but it does make it look a little... 'sloppy'. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 21:54, 5 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:There is a page to report these [[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead|here]]. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<big><u><span style="color:DarkSlateGray">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkBlue ">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkSlateBlue">ℜ</span></u></big>]] 03:30, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:18, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Open Discussion/Borehamwood How Was It For You?]] ==<br />
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Community opinions on Borehamwood Collected in one place. Hope it helps with future projects. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:07, 13 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Something that might give you a laugh... ==<br />
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Here I was bored and tired so I wrote this, I thought it might be funny and I think you may find it even more so given it's nature, [[Developing_Suggestions#TUCOK_-BBHHN-_.28The_United_Churches_Of_Kevan.29_-Blessed_be_his_holy_name- (The United Churches Of Kevan) -Blessed be his holy name-]] -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 09:16, 24 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Upgrading the wiki again ==<br />
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It's about that time of year. The wiki could use an upgrade, among the various features mentioned many times in the past that upgrading to a more up to date mediawiki version would provide as of [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] there is now a NewUsers log, which would be invaluable for catching throw away and vandal alt accounts like [[User:Izumi]] and [[User:3pwv]] used to use along with actually making user efforts to be welcoming like [[Welcomenewbie]] accountable and possibly useful. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] also brought in the ability to view deleted user contributions(instead of just the current ones) for sysops, the ability to omit diffs after rollback, and a fix at least one particularly exploitable checkuser bug that would allow users to screw with the ability for sysops to search the logs.<br /><br />I'd mention some of the features in previous version updates but I'm sure by now you're pretty well aware of them as it's been brought up many times in the past. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14], though, would significantly increase the ability for sysops to do their jobs when dealing with actual page vandalism and adbot spam along with helping the wiki, in general, run more smoothly from day to day.<small>([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.15 1.15])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.13 1.13])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.12 1.12])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.11 1.11])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.10 1.10])</small>--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:40, 1 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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== FYI re: "satellite phone" ==<br />
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Hi. So I recently wrote a Greasemonkey script that adds a "satellite phone" to the game. It's a simple messaging system with a user interface that embeds itself into the game, by modifying the rendered page in the user's browser, as Greasemonkey does. The thing does resemble the in-game mobile phone quite a lot, by design. Here's [[DSS Satellite Phone|more info]].<br />
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This was discussed in Brainstock [http://s1.zetaboards.com/brainstock/topic/2220895/], and some people complained about it. It was said that this unbalances the game, "overpowers" a game item, bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages. This wasn't a general opinion--I certainly find it all a bit silly--but someone then suggested that what should be done would be reporting it to you, letting you decide if this extension is improper somehow.<br />
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I thought that was sensible, so I'm "reporting myself," in a way. Just posting it here as an FYI, so you are aware of this. Cheers. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 09:15, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:Sounds like the same kinda nonsense that would see forums done away with for everyone that isn't a survivor. That thread reads very much like the person who started it did so with that intent in mind. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:00, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:: Hey that was me! I started that thread, you can clearly see my name :-( , I just started it as someone mentioned it in game and I was wondering about peoples views on it thats all.---[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 06:35, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::karek i have ''no'' idea what you're talking about whatsoever.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:18, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::''"bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages"'', the whole thread cited is mostly a few people complaining because they don't like metagaming, not particularly even regarding the tool in question. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:19, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::That being said, email tends to get a better response rate/time from him depending on the title/content/sender. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:24, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Right, cheers Karek. Thing is, I'm not really expecting a response, and I'm not comfortable spamming his mailbox with this. I really do think this is all rather silly. I'm sure the game will survive my script long enough for him to read this at his convenience here. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 06:14, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::From the sounds of it, it's just a script that facilitates metagaming. Like using MSN, or as we do, IRC... except done in-game. There's nothing zerg-tastic about it, nor does it collect data in ways that might be perceived as unfair, like DEMON or UDBrain. There's no reason to worry about what some git on Brainstock said (and BS is chock full of gits...), don't sweat it --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:20, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::::Wonder what they say about us :*( --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 07:15, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::::They don't think about us, because they're not aware we exist. Most BSers really aren't too aware that there's a whole big world of UD players outside their little board. Well, ok, I think many are vaguely aware that zombies have this forum called bar-something-dot-something. And I think most of them are aware of the DEM subgroup called Red Rum; but this subgroup was created to give the appearance of in-game competition, to get around Malton's strong antitrust laws, so it basically counts as part of their self-enclosed milieu. Finally, many of them have used the wiki, but none of them will ever admit it, it's ''that'' taboo a subject. But other than that, to BSers, there is little other than BS. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:25, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Hello Kevan. No one pestering you on this page for over a month? Crazy. Just wondering if you were planning anything for [[Borehamwood]]'s big first birthday? Its only 2 days away after all........--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I know! Blow it up! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Nuke the Big Brother House! Finally, some reality TV worth watching. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Or halve the size of monroeville everyday. No one would suspect that! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::-Let alone notice it. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 02:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Kill anything and everything in Malton. That would be a TRUE surprise.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'd be interested to see if survivors could recover. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 05:29, 27 October 2009 (BST)<br />
::Of course we could! It would take about two weeks, but we could easily do it. If you wan;t ill explain on a talk page other than the big bosses. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Tommy guns. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Halloween update timestamps ==<br />
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Seem to be missing on the new kill messages [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/11-01-09_0100hrs_PRIVATE/IN_62-14__954-071-ba1.html example] also confirmed broken without any extensions/scripts {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 02:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I realise this may very well be a feature of the halloween event but with the changing of the kill messages the missing timestamps are a bit strange, just making sure you're aware {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 04:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, it's not just a lack of timestamps. I've noticed that all of the ones that lack timestamps are also for people that are not at my location. For instance, in [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Anubis_IV/urbandead/halloween_change_bug.png this screenshot], the ones with timestamps are for people actually at my location, while none of the ones without them were people at my location (there were more actions under those, but they all had timestamps and were for people at my location). It's also interesting that some of the groups of events that took place repeat themselves a few times, and that "to talk" showed up as a contact of mine, despite the fact that he isn't. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::<s>i'm guessing it's part of the halloween event thingy, i thought the implementation of the weapon name killings screwed up because there's no period or timestamp following but now i think about it it actually makes sense to neglect them if you're going to mass fake kill people... OHEY IS THAT SOMETHING SHINY OVER THERE *runs* {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 06:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
:::This doesn't seem to be like april fools where everything is just a joke but rather quite the serious bug, they're actual events happening elsewhere in the city {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 11:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Fixed. Looks like there may have been some minor echoes from kills elsewhere in the city. It was a bug, but consider it an eerie halloween event. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Could I have a clarification, please? This bug didn't create events but some simply appeared in a different location from where they actually occurred. Correct? --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 12:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it was a bug, I can't be 100% sure. Don't kill anyone over it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::Awww, man... Alright, then! *grins* Fair enough! --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 05:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Question about Malton ==<br />
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Is Malton considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_borough metropolitan borough] and a city similar to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester Manchester] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool Liverpool] or is it considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_county metropolitan county] with each suburb being a metropolitan borough? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leave it to Akule to bring up a question like that. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I always thought of it as a city state. Like, I don't know, Monaco or something. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The same wiki that gives you the examples also gives the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malton,_North_Yorkshire answer]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::...yes, but I didn't think the fictional city of Malton was actually the real city of Malton. You know, based on the fact it is nothing [http://www.ryedale.co.uk/ryedale/malton/malton.html like it]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, there has been hints that it was based in England, but I was just curious to know how much of it was based on being located in England. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::You've never thought to know more about Malton? ;) --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::D'eh...MAYBE?!?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Borehamwood throws up even more questions, as being based on dead set IT IS based in england. Borehamwood has no gun stores in its shopping centres, and only 2 railway stations and supermarkets, so it would appear Malton IS somewhere different. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Strike time==<br />
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I am hearby requesting a striking of a ban from my vandal record as i have reached the requirements as per policy. I will be placing this request on an assortment of your peers talk pages so as to insure that this time, my striking isn't mysteriously postponed so as to further tarnish my record despite no wrong doing on my part. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 15:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Update-ah==<br />
So, what's the word on the updates being done to the wiki? Just making sure you don't forget ;) --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 18:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass >:| {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Are you in support of the Copenhagen Summit?==<br />
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Bascially I'm asking if we're having snow this year. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It's on its way. And I'm fairly comfortable with the carbon footprint of a zombie apocalypse. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers. I was wondered that the server itself was snowbound, swindon being as cold as it is. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Just realised how badly this might screw perma death survivors. Hmm. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Hmm. How long is '''temporary''' Kevan? How many hours do they take to fade? Also some of the fields in permadeath cities don't look that snowy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:17, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I can confirm this. Only one of the field colours has turned white.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's random, but averages to six hours. Fields should be fixed now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::The fields are fixed.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Any chance of bloody snow for outdoor deaths? --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 02:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::it exists check it out [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/12-22-09_2100hrs_PRIVATE/OUT_15-78__210-11a-044.html] "thick snow splashed with blood" "Blood <br />
soaks into the snow." --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 02:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== urbandead.org ==<br />
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I presume you have probably seen this but it looks like a phishing site for peoples log in, just thought I inform you of it incase you want to take action.--[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 01:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
: If you check out the "revive que" there are [[MoB]] members as well as this gentlemen [[User:GasCandle]] who is banned from editing the wiki. I didn't dig much further into the "revive list" once I saw that gentlemen. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I looked a little further and the /whois looks made up http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.org which is why a few people have mentioned it might be a scam. --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 02:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::The person who created the suspicious website has changed it. If you want to see screenshots from before it was changed, or see his explanation, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Ripf22|the A/VB case]]. --{{User:Jasonjason/sig}} 22:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Spawning]]==<br />
Just finished writing an article on it. I have a question that I can't really find out from spadework. If there were no Necrotech's in Malton below Heavily Barricaded, where would new Necrotech Assistant's spawn?<br />
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Also, UD is still only copyrighted until 2009 and I discovered a grammatical error I posted on the relevant page. Thanks. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Typos fixed. Under the current code, NecroTech staff would just start on the streets somewhere. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 08:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers fearless leader. I wish you well with the April 1st update. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 08:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hey, lazybones! ==<br />
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When the fuck are you going to get around to fixing the Goddamn game? Love 'n' kisses --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 08:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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While you're at it, try to get urbandead popular again, the number of active characters is starting to drop below 20000, maybe it's time for some advertising, eh? --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Urban Dead might be popular if it wasn't such a broken game! What with the radical, nigh-unplayable imbalance that makes it utterly pointless to play a zombie. Oh, and that worthlessness carrying over to making it such a breeze to play a survivor. I mean there's absolutely no point in being a survivor when you can just stroll around the city without risking your neck. I mean even a large, dedicated horde of zombies (of which the game has, like, ''two'') can't hold back one tenth their number in survivors.<br />
:For a zombie apocalypse game, there are fuck all zombies and there is fuck all apocalypse. The only way anyone really has fun is either griefing or sitting around roleplaying all day. And who the fuck can grief properly when the game is a buggy, unfinished pile of shit that makes it literally impossible for one of the sides to win? Not to mention that if all you're doing in game is roleplaying, what's to stop you from just doing it on a forum? Oh wait, nothing whatsoever, which is why the fucking unofficial forums for this game have more action than the game itself.<br />
:Urban Dead is broken, Kevan shows no interest in even ''looking into'' the billions of problems it has, so you're better off closing your browser and playing Left 4 Dead or something. Y'know, that's the zombie apocalypse game where the survivors face a credible threat that can't simply be trounced by locking a door and pushing a vending machine in front of it. '''FIX THE FUCKING GAME.''' --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:38, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Have you chaps considered that you're horrifically ungrateful for a ''free'' game that's meant to be a 5 minute distraction? --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Some of us have actually given money to this game, by the way. It's not unheard of that people do pay for things online. If he removes the DONATE button then maybe we won't "have the right" to complain anymore, but until then I and others are paying customers wanting some damned customer service. But you keep that smug attitude because I'm sure it's helping you go far in life!--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not ungrateful, but I'd like to continue to play urbandead which I won't be able to do if the numbers of players keep dropping forcing Kevan to eventually pull the plug. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Well this "chap" thinks that if you're going to release something for public consumption, it shouldn't '''suck'''. The fact remains that the game is unbalanced, which makes it unfun. If, say, World of Warcraft made it so that the Horde had 1/10th the hit rate of the Alliance, Blizzard would be fucking crucified. Free or not, lousy design is lousy design. I'm not saying this out of ''entitlement'' or anything retarded like that, I am saying it as someone who wants to play the game without being gimped to fuck just because I want to be a zombie instead of a survivor. Of course, the alternative is for me (and the thousands of others who feel this way) to stop playing a game that is basically designed at the very basest level to screw us over. Then, WHOOPS! Goodbye donations and ad revenue! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 23:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I actually think that what 'ruined' the game (at least balance wise) was zombies... The very fact that they sucked to play forced people to either leave or organize, net result mega hordes that were basically unstoppable and forced buffs for survivors to give them a chance while making it even less rewarding to play a feral zed. To all intent and purpose this game has more sides than it was ever designed for. We have survivors and zombies but each of those are split into different play styles which the mechanics struggle to balance. Basically survivors are better at killing other survivors than zombies are and zombies often end up killing other zombies more than actual survivors. Hell, some survivors max out without even seeing a zombie and the game set-up makes it an unrewarding struggle to level a new character in a city full of veterans. At the end of the day I think this game needs to evolve before it dies.... New (short lifespan) cities are probably the best way forwards in my opinion because the early days with their actual struggle to survive against 'equals' are great fun, the sense of discovery of a new place also really adds spice too. But hey, too many people seem attached to their maxed characters that they hardly ever play anymore to even contemplate such a thing! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I think most of us will agree that ''something'' needs to be done, which is exactly what isn't happening or at least it seems that way. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Maybe fixing the '''ABYSMAL''' hit rates for zombies might help. I mean, ''supposedly'' I have a 30% chance of hitting with a bite attack against a given target for 1 AP. Now, I can easily spend (and have spent) 15 AP and only hit on that last, 15th attempt. What are the chances of this happening? Mathematically, you say it was (3/10)^15, or a 0.000001% chance. That isn't "bad luck", that goes beyond "bad luck" and into the realms of "your coding is so shitty if I saw it I would try to flush". There is actually more chance of me rolling the same number 10 times in a row on a regular six-sided die than there is of me missing that many attacks. But it happens, it happens frequently, and it's one of the billion reasons why this game needs a severe overhaul, and/or someone competent working on it. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 02:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::No one cares about your opinion. But is that why you've resorted to spamming Kevan rather than stick to your own 'zombie improvements' in your userspace; you realise no one cares anymore? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 02:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
Katthew actually makes some damn good points rather than resorting to ad hominem. [[Groove Theory]] would not be possible with a properly implemented RNG, but [[Bug Reports#Groove Theory is working again|oh, whoops]]! Also, Honestmistake, what game are ''you'' playing? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 10:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:These days? Mostly Bobwars (wigbl.com)... What exactly is it you don't agree with in my post though? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Sadly, I kinda agree with Honest, feral zombies have it extremely hard these days. They need to follow hordes around or just lay around and wait for destruction in their suburbs. Once the horde is gone though, their goes the bulk of your food. Its almost beneficial nowadays to be a killer or a survivor and thats it (assuming your not in a horde). --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 15:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Or just sit tight. Even a modest number of zeds can keep most buildings ruined. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I demand that the game be "fixed" so that those who can't get laid will have something to do before and after they masturbate! HELP THEM, KEVAN! You're their only hope... --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 17:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Well looky, a whole cluster fuck load of whining.<br />
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Want more people to play? Go and fucking recruit them yourselves. Don't ask Kevan to fork out even more from his own pocket so that your enjoyment of this free game is improved. You spend the money. You put the work in. Alternately you all could shut the fuck up.<br />
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Want some changes? The FAQ says quite clearly to put them through the suggestions system rather than whine here like a bunch of fucking fort dwellers. Want Kevan to build you your own city to your own ideas? He's done it before for distribution companies, just do the same thing they did. Pay the man. Kevan's a professional, pay him his hourly rate if you want something. You're entitled to shit for free. He's nice enough to continue to let the game be played for free, so let's say enough with the comparisons to the money gouging and spyware installing World of Warcrack. Ask the man nicely how much your own city would be, plus an hourly rate for any bugs that appear, plus a negotiated set figure of each major update. Then go have a bake sale, car wash or just start selling organs on the black market and give Kevan the money for the work you want him to do.<br />
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Put your money where your whining is. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Back when I was an admin and I moderated the Suggestions page with an '''IRON FIST''', it was still a worthless piece of shit. These days it is approximately fifty gajillion times more useless and shitty. Kevan doesn't read it any more than he reads any other section of this wiki, not even just because he's lazy as sin, but also because they're not worth reading. Also, I've already dragged people into this game. Maybe you remember [[The Dead]]? You know, the 10,000-strong superhorde that practically ''wrecked the entire fucking game?'' All me, bitch. I got that shit ''going''. Because unlike you, I am one proactive motherfucker who doesn't sit around doing shit-all.<br />
:So don't you fucking talk to me about recruiting people to play this game, you measly-mouthed little cumstain. I brought in more than you could possibly imagine with that withered rectum you call your brain. But hardly any of those people stayed around. Do you know why? Because '''''THEY GOT TIRED OF PLAYING A BROKEN PIECE OF SHIT GAME WHERE THEIR CHOSEN SIDE WAS DELIBERATELY NERFED AND FUCKED OVER AT EVERY CONCEIVABLE TURN.''''' That is what killed The Dead, you scurrilous prick-hungry cockholster - the fact the game '''sucks'''. We weren't beaten by any survivor group, we never even considered any survivor group to be more than the metaphorical bug on the windshield. Ten thousand zombies, motherfucker, and even with the ridiculously low hit rates, nonexistent RNG and inverse XP curve, we ruined your pathetic little world. If it hadn't been for all the flaws that UD has, driving away almost every single new player we drafted in, we'd have killed every last survivor in the city and turned it into a true zombie apocalypse.<br />
:So fuck you a million times up your gaping, cavernous asshole. I know what I'm talking about, and I know more about what ''you're'' talking about than you could ever hope to. Now sit the fuck down while the grown-ups have their chat, sweetie. We'll get you some crayons and glue, so you can cram them into your snotty orifices until you suffer fatal brain damage. Kiss kiss! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Awww, poor cutie, is it too much if someone disagrees with you? I see you missed the major point, given you're ''so'' proactive and have such a large group of minions, why haven't you rallied them to donate a sum of money so that you can pay Kevan to make the game that you believe is fair? It's a very simple question. Kevan works for money, as proven by Borehamwood and Monroeville, if you want a map with your 'improvements' incorporating then you have to provide the same incentive that two distribution companies already did. Shouldn't be hard, after all you are ''"one proactive motherfucker"''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::There are points on both sides, but Katthew wins for making me laugh more than Is's logic makes sense.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkTurquoise">Big</span>]][[User:Cyberbob240/Classifications|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> Cat</span>]] 08:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, what killed the Dead was all the whining survivors that couldn't handle a "zombie apocalypse" and needed the syringe find rate to be upped to almost 100%. But come on, Katthew, don't be a bitch. Little Issy's Mall Tour had what 300 zombies? Awwwww, that was the same number as the Central horde of the Dead. You know, back when it was winding down and most people wanted to be in the East or West coast Hordes. But, no, I'm sure he knows all about running big bad zombie hordes. I'd really like to know how much money The Dead generated for Kevan with ad revenue and people buying no IP limit. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Feeling left out DCC? Never mind, go create yourself a couple of new accounts to agree with yourself, that'll make you feel better. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Good gum, you're actually still whining. How clear does this have to be? '''Kevan doesn't owe you jackshit'''. It's a browser game that is '''free to play''' and pretty cool if you spend about 5-15 minutes on it. If you want a game that you can put all of your obsessive time into, then go ''buy'' one. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: As for the whole "I donated, so he '''owes''' me", the key is in the name; ''donation''. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Massively pointless question #95==<br />
The "Are you sure?" Messages received when you A) Attempt to buy brain rot, and B) Attempt to jump from a building. Do they count towards your IP hits? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm going to say yes to the first (as it reloads the map screen) and no to the second as it's on the skills screen. The IP hits total is only known to count on the map screen, not on skills, settings or profile screens. Unless Kevan says different. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::oh, and I demand another easter egg hunt. Perhaps with bunnies this time around. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:03, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If he gets a hunt for chocolate eggs I want a button that allows me to nail sanctimonious pricks to trees as it's a much older tradition for this time of year. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:19, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::''Iscariot makes sly comment about organised religion.'' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:08, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: I'd like to see zombies replaced with rabbits for a day. Stronger bite! EAR DAMAGE. Hop for 1AP --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Settling a bet==<br />
While you're here reading this, settle a bet for me, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARapture&diff=1683378&oldid=1683265 do you enjoy all the money that zergers provide you?] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:00, 30 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you're asking whether I give any leniency to players who've donated, when they've done something that would merit a character being disabled - no, I don't. Donation status doesn't factor into any of the alt-abuse or banning scripts. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:01, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::I think the players in question are working off the assumption that them having more characters means more views of the ads connected in the game and that equals more money for you. It wasn't meant to question your impartiality at all, just a question of economics when connected to the game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:35, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::No, this isn't a consideration when banning characters. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:08, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Game updates==<br />
I'm sure things are updated regularly, for maintance, ect.,.... things that wouldn't normally be reflected in the game updates. Just out of curiosity, what is the current status of the "Game Updates" though? I noticed there seems to be a lack of them here latly (not that it's a bad thing, or that I mind), it's just that I was curious as to your thoughts, and opinions on the subject.... -{{User:Poodle_of_doom/signiture}} 04:27, 7 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==April Fools?==<br />
A couple days before April Fools i was surfing the wiki and decided to look it up. The pranks there were hilarious! Especially the 2008/2009 ones. I couldn't wait to see what would come out next. But nothing happened and the wiki said you didn't do anything. Any specific reason? And yes i know Kevan is busy and yes i know we're thankful its a free game i'm just curious --{{User:Gt71/Sig}} 21:52, 27 April 2010<br />
:I was actually halfway through some other updates in late March, and decided against diverting any of that development time for an April Fool's joke. In the end, I didn't have time to put anything live - April's been busy, but I hope to get back to those main updates in the next week or so. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:37, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
::Excellent. Kevan, as you're here, with the perma death cities is it fair to assume all updates are carried over into all three citys? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:22, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Pretty much. If a mechanic would unduly unbalance remaining gameplay in the other cities I'd make them exempt from it, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:29, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hey Kevan==<br />
What's up? How are things in the real world? I haven't been around Urban Dead that often in the past few weeks, but it seems like little has changed... aside from the survivor/zombie ratio being the worst it's been in years, but that's besides the point. <br />
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On that note, would you happen to have an opinion on the "[[Escape]]" gathering in western Malton? <br />
Just thought I'd say hi, --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 07:36, 5 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Open Accounts==<br />
Currently, in Woodborne NT in Owsleybank, there are a few characters with names that make it blindingly obvious that they're open. Their names are [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1012934 mypasswordispassword], [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1743445 mypasswordispenis], and [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1367615 mypasswordishelpme]. Knowing your stance on open or communal accounts, I decided to bring them to your attention. --[[User:Shank Case|Shank Case]] 02:06, 25 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== June 1 ==<br />
It seems appropriate on this date of great expectation (Read that: ESCAPE) to reflect on a simple fact; I have taken many hours of pleasurable distraction from your game. I have enjoyed meeting people from around the world and the various schemes and factions they have created using your game as a springboard for their own creativity. While I live in New England, I have traveled to the other side of the globe and yet-I can honestly say I "know" more people around the world as a result of this little game then in all those thousands of miles of travel. So while I have "contributed" it would seem at least good manners to say thank you for what you have done. I have only been playing for close to a year, and I hear many folks voicing opinions about the "state of the game". I just thought it might be appropriate to suggest that the reason they feel so strongly about it is because it is a flexible well designed system that has added millions of hours of gaming to people worldwide. So, thanks for your efforts and creativity.--[[User:Belisarius17|Belisarius17]] 04:50, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Nudge ==<br />
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That pre April updates taking its time now. The anticipation is killing me. There's some discussion going on about changes to Monroeville. Is it something you would consider, or as it was sponsored by others are your hands tied about what you can do with it? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:57, 26 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:Well UD's 5th birthday is coming up on July 3rd, we can cross our fingers and hope it's the update we've been waiting for. I hope it's another Easter Egg hunt, but with potatoes! -- [[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 07:27, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
::my paper hat is a bit battered. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:49, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Happy Birthday! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:51, 3 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Update me already.... :) -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:32, 9 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Radio Filter ==<br />
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Apparently, the radio filter also affects the military channel (25.96MHz). There any way to disable it on this station? {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 19:46, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:Teehee. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:48, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Muhahahahaha. Is it [[The Mycock Building|Mycock]] ? shits so [[ALiM]]. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::ps wtf is this radio filter and where did it come from? user made or kevan made? etc etc{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:39, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If you broadcast something vulgar, it will replace the word with *static*. It's been this way since the introduction of radios. The problem is that many buildings contain the word cock, and thus can't be broadcast. It's been brought up before, but they didn't mention the EMR channel. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 06:51, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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Epic design flaw fail! If only Kevan didn't have such a dirty mind! --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 11:17, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Offensive in-game names? ==<br />
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Are there any rules re what one can name their character? Are there not ''any'' limits? I recently ran into NIGGERHATER88 (yes, all capitalization - that's a copy/paste) and they're not a new character by any means - really? Really?! --[[User:Swingin' Sam|Swingin&#39; Sam]] 19:00, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you don't like someone, kill them. It shuts them up in real life, why wouldn't it work here? --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 19:07, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:fuck off it's a free game suck it the fuck off or go play wow. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:10, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Just for your information, 88 means HH — the Hitler salute. This guy is definitely a Neo-Nazi.<br />
::If Kevan isn't going to ban him, then killing him is the way to go. Just treat him like a [[Ignore List|text rapist]]. I'm against PKing in general, but such despicable people deserve it.<br />
::And the above poster could benefit from [[Civility]] as well. -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 22:04, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I just love you militant anti-nazi types. You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs ''is fascism itself''. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means ''allowing'' people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:12, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Or more likely, he's simply a troll. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, for the reasons Mis outlined. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:17, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::^ --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 00:18, 21 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::<3 mis. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:48, 22 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Deadline ==<br />
[[Image:Emot-argh.gif|100px]] --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:22, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:{{Quote|Buzz Lightyear|You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.}}<br />
:[[Big Bash 3|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-size: 80%">&hearts;</span>]] [[User:MoonShine|<span style="color:Black">'''Moonie'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:MoonShine|Talk]] | [[User:MoonShine/Testimonials|Testimonials]]</sup></small> 12:51, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::<span title="He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's pro-zombie, as it obviously needs to be.">I disagree. He can take as long as he wants. He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's fair and balanced.</span> --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 20:20, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Two Months later, Kevan responds by implementing [[20070314_Zombie_Rocket_Launchers|Zombie Bazookas]].--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 20:31, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Noes! Still, I don't think working with a deadline is a good idea if your not going to keep it. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:39, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::He must have had a problem coding [[Suggestion:20100616 Binocular Sniping|Binocular Sniping]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:40, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hate\Race based groups ==<br />
What are your views on Urban Dead being used by Hate groups ?<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Combat_18<br />
With the user using imagery in attempt to bring race into the game. Eg: <br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Cornholioo<br />
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I don't this is the actual RL group, just some pathetic little teen with anger issues. But still ? Should we look forward to the arrival of the KKK. Al Queda(?), Black Power, Mongrel Mob and the Care Bears ?<br />
--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 20:36, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Look just two headers above this. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::Why ? - this isn't about offensive names in-game as I email those to Kevan. Its about losers spewing their race\religion hate in the wiki thinking that they have the "right to". Didnt some of pH get banned for the 9\11 phased crap in game ?<br />
:From what I gathered of the YouTube video Cornholioo posted, it does look like Combat 18 is an actual, real life neo-Nazi group. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:15, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::They are. There was an old Louis Theroux doc on them. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:17, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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Shall I make the Red Hand Commando's\Real IRA\Al Qeada pages now then and target any British\US based group ?--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:04, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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{{Quote|Misanthropy|You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs is fascism itself. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means allowing people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose.}}<br />
{{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:05, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::Jesus its like talking to school children. This isn't real life, this isnt a political arena, people have no politcal rights here. This is a game and what Kevan says gos.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:10, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::Yes it is like talking to school children. In five years has anyone ever been banned for anything other than zerging? No. Not once. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:16, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::This isn't about ingame characters (Also back in 05 I beleive offensive names were also nuked) this is about the wiki policy on HateGroups. The wiki is different to ingame as a user can contact any group or individual in a split second? and post there hate imagery\text on any page. Yet there is no policy only the rustling of paper under the false pretence any user here actually has any rights at all.. --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:29, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::If it's about the wiki then you'll get nowhere, there's not a single sysop corrupt enough to ban users/groups based solely on their beliefs. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:32, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Well obviously thats why I'm posting here as this isn't real life so a users beliefs don't come into it, but what they post on wiki pages. Being non-white I take offense at that and the wiki administartion deosnt appear willing to act --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:44, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::We are not going to act. We're not going to ban groups based on content. [[Columbine Kids]], [[Nazi Party of Malton]], etc, etc, have not been banned, nor will this one. Yes it is offensive to people. So is the insult "faggot" but nothing has ever been done about its usage, nor about a million and one percieved wrongs. All you have to do is simply ignore the one sole user causing your offense, and he's liable to end up getting himself banned anyway, or he'll wander off due to not being given the attention he craves. Asking for the rules to be different for one group of users than for another is just wrong. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:49, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm asking for Kevans opmnion , not yours otherwise I would have posted on your talk page.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:51, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::As much as we'd all love to see less hate here,... you're arguing against one of the wiki janitors,... you know, the guys who take care of this place on Kevan's behalf... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:55, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::Yes I have seen the sterling work you perform on his behalf, however I dont think there is a difference between a) banning a user ouright (Where race hate has no place in a simple game(not real life)) and b)Or saying he id allowed his views but then have wiki administrators trolling the user with a view to entrapping him into a rant, thus leading him to his ban. I would have thought a janitors role was to be impartial and not provoke a user knowing how he will react--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 09:56, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::I agree with some of your sentiments and I understand your concern about some of the ops and their behaviour going against a role model status on the wiki- but situations like this only prove that a sysop- janitor as you say- is exactly that- a regular user with the buttons only given to those entrusted not to misuse it- it's been a long lost fact to this wiki that sysops are still regular users, and should behave as such, which is why using sysop status as a symbol of authority over another user is serious misconduct. Do I give Cornholioo a hard time? For sure, but that's not so I can just go to A/VB and force his banning- I abstain from conflict of interest situations such as his recent banning because I know that following through my pestering actions with bias as a mod is abuse. The ops aren't specifically here to be looked up to, although I still understand where you're coming from and I partially agree that Cornholioo is getting a hard time compared to any other user in terms of sysop bias. I do think it's a shame this perceived bias is being overlooked by the community just because of the user in question. I was surprised the amount of ops who said yes to his permaban, and it's worth noting that the sysops who pester and bait him the most were the ones who voted no to the perma. Typically a perma is only for someone who is literally just trying to break the wiki on a regular basis, not someone who gets baited weekly, and if that was your assessment of the vote I agree with you. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:30, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Invitation==<br />
{{RIAC Invitation}}<br><br />
You know you want to find a group and join.... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:57, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mediawiki Update (2) ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, just to let you know [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Update the Wiki Software (2)|this policy]] requesting a mediawiki has been passed. It asks if you can go up to 1.15.4 but the newest version (which came out while this went voting) is 1.16.0 and if you could find some time to upgrade that would be awesome. =) Thanks from us all. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:25, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Another note that image undeletion is enabled by default on the new software. Enabling image undeletion will increase disk usage (as "deleted" images won't really be deleted, but hidden,) so you might want to consider disabling it and keeping the status quo. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:12, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Virus Advertisement ==<br />
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Um... Kevan, I'm not sure if it's your concern, but one of the advertisements in the UD log-in screen is probably a hacking scam.<br />
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The advertisement, for a game called "Slum City Enforcer" lead to this link http://www.iwon.com/dl/index.jhtml?theme=slumcity2&partner=ZLxdm256&spu=true&sub_id=1579&clickid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000&ce_cid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000<br />
When I clicked on Play Now for the game, it tried to download a trojan, which my anti-virus caught. <br />
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I really hope you can block this bad ad from Urban Dead. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 03:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If I'm not mistaken, the UD site, and wiki, tend to make use of Google Ads,... which help generate profit for the site. That said, there is very little Kevan could probably do about it, aside from removing the ads themselves. That said,... that would be counter productive. I hope Kevan gets back to you though.... He probably knows more about it than what I do. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 04:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:: It is based on google advertisement, I used to get so much stuff for Umbrella's when I was in Umbrella and then UBCS. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 06:00, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::The last time we were hit with malicious ads (The urbandead.org phishing site bought out the wiki sidebar) an administrator contacted the ad agency and had them remove the ads. If you're sure that this is a malicious link, file a report with [http://www.google.com/ads/adwords/ Google Ads]. You've experienced what happened, so you're best suited to explain why this is a bad link.<br />
:::Also, I spammed refresh on one of the screens that displayed ads, and this site never came up. There's a chance it's already been reported and/or expired. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 06:57, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::[http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/iwon.com/summary/ McAfee seem to think it's okay], for a debatable value of "okay", but I've blocked it from my sites on the off-chance. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:34, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: Thank you Kevan! You're awesome. --[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 23:25, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==<s>Early August</s> Mid August.==<br />
That is all. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:30, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:The more you bug him, the more he'll put it off!!! You're tiring him! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:32, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::It takes 5AP to read his talk page, and a game update is like a 500AP suicide repair.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:33, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Brilliant man.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:45, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Pretty sure I just fucking jizzed -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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/thread -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Because I can't think of another place to put it ==<br />
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I am formally lodging a complaint that this game, the city of malton and this wiki, have a decidedly and unfair British/English/insert other term Bias in terms of names, time, spelling, ect.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:19, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If the fact that Kevan, the servers, and the town Malton are all based in england, counts as "unfair", then I guess you're right!!! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 01:22, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I have other ''Complaints'' as well but they are trivial or realistic mostly. And yes that is the exact problem, we should remedy this somehow.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:24, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::By buying Kevan new servers and a new house? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:25, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::: Nonsense we will just begin housing them with you Mis. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:27, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::We could house him in say, Australia.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:28, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::I dunno I like the idea of moving him to Ireland with me. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:30, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::: I don't know Mikalos has a point, lets send him and the servers to Australia, then when Grim throws his next coup he literally can just walk away with the hardware :D --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:34, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::Grim lives in Australia?--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:37, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::: [[User:DanceDanceRevolution/sandpit/quotepit#grim|This seems relevant]] --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:39, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Just as I learn this, I read that the current PM of Australia has suggested that, after the Queen dies, Australia should change into a republic. That might complicate things such as moving for unknown reasons.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:43, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::So the problem still exists, Im afraid if this problem is not rectified soon, i will have to start a demonstration against this unfair and obvious pro-English bias. And furthermore, why is the entire encyclopedia, besides certain pages, in English and not zombie languages? While the English language bias?--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 02:49, 18 August 2010 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=1761049User talk:Kevan2010-08-18T00:43:53Z<p>Mikalos209: /* Because I can't think of another place to put it */</p>
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<div>If you want to report a bug, put it up on the [[Bug Reports]] page for review.<br />
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If you've got a question about the Wiki, use the [[Wiki Questions]] and another user will see it and answer it.<br />
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If you want to discuss game balance or the future of the game, try a [[Unofficial UD Forums|discussion forum]].<br />
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If you'd like to respond to someone who's posted here, you should do so on their talk page.<br />
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If you're from the future, there are a [[User Talk:Kevan/Archive|couple]] of [[User Talk:Kevan/Archive2|archives]].<br />
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If you'd like to speak to an operator, please hold.<br />
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==Three Minutes...==<br />
...Since anyone last commented you on here. Very upsetting. How's everything going with the game? Is everything good?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:What are you talking about? Scroll down to the bottom, haha. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:42, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:You're a funny one. Also, the page's confusing because Kevan doesn't state to put new stuff at the bottom or top, unfortunately, so people go with wherever their own preference is. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:59, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::I tend to look for a trend. Unfortunately, it turns out that the trend i followed only applied for the two posts i read.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 20:06, 13 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville Badges==<br />
Just so you know there are survivors (although very few) that are still roaming around in Monroeville. It would be nice if you could give some kind of emblematic badge of appreciation for the few that made it this far. I hope thats not asking too much, but for staying alive this long its quiet a feat to accomplish and deserves some kind of reward.<br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 02:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Monroeville Airlift==<br />
Hi Kevan,<br />
I am one of the few remaining survivors in Monroeville. With the Christmas update being implemented, I was curious to know if I set up a Christmas tree and some lights in a building for a few days, would a Helicopter come by and take my character to Malton? I don't want to do something in vain that could end up killing my character that has survived for ten months... <br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 06:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:hey Evildiehard, i'm The Last Unlucky Guy, we were in harvey's group together, i like that idea, can i get in on it too? Getting my character out of Monroeville would be great, i've grown too attached to him and if i got killed, especially after going solo, and survivng for this time, it would really suck :( --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==clothing suggestions==<br />
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Hi, long time no see. I've got another question about clothing. I see that you haven't implemented any new clothing for almost a year and the pages in question are receiving little to no traffic. Are you still in need of new Clothing ideas [[Clothes/Suggestions|Suggestions]] or can I close the page and move everything into their relevant archives?--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Will donate for awesome clothing ==<br />
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Basically, I was just wondering that if I donated $50AU or something, that maybe you might code in some blood-proof clothing, just for moi? I mean, it's a decent chunk of funds as all... --{{User:Medico/sig}} 01:30, 26 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Broken Wiki page ==<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1271116&oldid=1270525<br />
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The page I want is the last edit that I made for if, and I have no idea what went wrong. Someone directed me here... --<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span></font><sup> [[User_talk:Haliman111|T]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 00:44, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Iwitness typo==<br />
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Got really bored, and noticed there was a typo.<br />
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"What does it mean if a record is PUBLIC or PRIVATE?<br />
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Public records are just that- anybody can (if they take the time to look) find them and look at the information they contain. Private records are hidden in directories whose contents are not open to the public view, and the random number string appended to the end of the file name makes it impossible for anybody to find them through luck or accident. "Private" records are in fact so hard to locate that if you don't record their location, '''you'll never them again'''. That's OK when you just want to share a quick secret with some friends in a private chat room or secure forum, though- just copy the link and paste it somewhere you and you friends can find it, but others will not see it!<br />
User accounts do provide a way to retrieve all of the private records a user creates while logged into that account, so while still quite private, they are not going to vanish. User accounts also potentially allow for other levels of security; all of these are essentially private records that only certain people can see, or which do not display all of the details of the record in order to protect the privacy and safety of "innocent bystanders". <br />
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http://www.urbandead.info/iwitness/iwitness_FAQ.php#security<br />
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--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup></font> 15:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Check your talk page, {{usr|Haliman111}}. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:36, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Suicide Repair ==<br />
Most of the time it isn't easy to let a building reach the higher levels of decay and takes the effort of multiply zombie players. Lately as more buildings reach higher level of decay we see a raise in suicide repairs. Where survivors just spent all their AP and more to repair a long time ruined building and prepare to get eaten and revived. If suicide repairing was not what you where going for with the implemention of decay, please consider changes like: <br />
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a)Make it impossible to spent more AP on repairing than are left to this character, and probably setting a cap at 45AP as a maximum for decay. <br />
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or b)Repair only removes some part of the decay level and not all at once. Probably like tearing down barricades.<br />
--[[User:Experiment211|Experiment211]] 21:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I second option B. Option A could be exploited by people who wait until they have 2 or 3 AP left before running in to repair for 1 or 2 AP. B makes a lot of sense, I think. --[[User:Drugsanimudongs|Drugsanimudongs]] 17:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Errr... I read your suggestion wrong, Experiment211. Ignore my exploit theory! I still support B, though.<br />
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== Database error on the wiki ==<br />
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I have been getting the following message after making edits: <br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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(SQL query hidden)<br />
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from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry '20534' for key 1 (localhost)".<br />
Retrieved from "http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category_talk:Historical_Groups"<br />
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The edits seem to be working, however. This bug just took place twice on the Historical Groups Talk/Voting page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:13, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I just got one on the same page. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ditto. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:06, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Happened to me too today.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:57, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Database error<br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
(SQL query hidden)<br />
from within function "". MySQL returned error "1194: Table 'searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)".<br />
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Is also appearing when searching brain rot in the Suggestions and Talk Suggestions namespaces.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Erg. I've had some server trouble lately, I'll take a look at it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:21, 27 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yesterday it was still doing this... It's rare as of late, it seems-- it was happening with almost every edit for a bit there -- but it *did* happen yesterday again.... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
:::Just hit the same after searching for brain in images. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:21, 3 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I've repaired the database, it should be okay now. Let me know if any error messages still creep through, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==A Little Idea for Group Affiliations==<br />
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I've had an idea and would like to submit it for your consideration. Would it be possible to add in the option of a URL link added to a player's group affiliation, a la the current system with the 'Real Name' links? This would be very useful for players looking to join a group and for groups looking to recruit players, especially zombie groups who lack the ability to spray-paint places without death-culting. Whilst the RN link is used by some, myself included, for recruitment, more likely than not the majority will simply not bother clicking it after the first few times they have done that on a profile have taken them to YouTube songs or Rick-rolls. A link under the group affiliation would draw more desirable attention. <br />
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There are two ways in which I could see this working: The first is to have the group affiliation act in the same way as the Real Life link, with the player choosing the URL; the second would be to have the GA act as the list of confirmed groups on the stats page does: An automatic link to the wiki page of said confirmed group. My personal belief is that the latter would be the superior option, so as to avoid abuse via unsavoury links which would undermine trust in the system (this is of course going under the assumption that you have a system which makes the links appear automatically on the stats page, rather than having to add them all in yourself of course).<br />
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Just my thought for the early morning. <br />
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Regards. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 04:37, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Please make your suggestions here: [[:Category:Current Suggestions]]. Seriously Moloch, you have been around long enough to know how suggestions are handled. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:40, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::FWIW, my personal version of 'ActOnProfile' already modifies the group name to be a link to the wiki page for that group. Its pretty handy, even if just to find out the group has no page. A fancier GM script could easily determine if the page actually exists, and not make it a link if it doesn't, which would be nice. Server side code could likely do the same thing better. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:02, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Copyright question ==<br />
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after playing Urban dead I had an idea making it into a warcraft 3 map and before I release 1: may I release a map made by maps and the same idea of urban dead and with its name/s 2: are there any requires you want? for example I could advertise for the site every 5 mins(I can have the map do that for me)I have all ready given credit to Urban dead and if you want I can give direct credit to you also<small>—The preceding {{wikipedia|Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages|unsigned}} comment was added by [[User:Undeadpope|Undeadpope]] ([[User talk:Undeadpope|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Undeadpope|contribs]]) 23:42, 6 August 2008.</small><br />
:l2english.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:34, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:If it's clearly presented as an unofficial fan project, and isn't making any money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:51, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==IP hits and construction==<br />
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If I repair a badly damaged building (15ap etc.) Is that one IP hit or 15? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:32, 9 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'd be one. it's a measure of how many times you refresh the map page not ap. The only exception (as far as i'm aware) is syringe manufacture which is 20.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I thought i was getting more than my regular action. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:32, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Is that confirmed or just a guess?--<span style="cursor:crosshair">Kooks</span> 22:50, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::It's certainly incorrect. I repaired a building costing 134ap and still had more than enough IP hits to play my other characters.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville and headshot==<br />
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All the high level survivors I know (about 30) have been holding out for the return of perma-death headshot with the quarantine. I see the quarantine is back, but everything still says that headshot is not permanent. Is this the case? If you're not bringing it back then you might as well close down the server or at least tell us officially. Because as currently constituted only one side can win, and though we could probably prolong things indefinitely I fail to see the point.<br />
--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 03:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:I couldn't agree more with this post. Staying alive as a member of an organized group in Monroeville is possible but it takes a large amount of coordination and effort. I fail to see the "game" part of current Monroeville on the survivor side, something permanent headshot would bring to the table. If balance is an issue, I'm sure the zombie side would love to have non-curable Infectious Bite. --[[User:Calem|Calem]] 10:09, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::The evidence of the most recent opening of Monroeville suggests that it takes about 6 weeks for the city to go from totally survivor-dominated to totally destroyed with the survivors on the run and hiding in the wreckage. Therefore, it seems to me that the most fun and interesting way to do it would be to run Monroeville in cycles. Every five to six weeks or so switch the rules to give one side or the other the advantage. So, having now had an extened Zombie Friendly period of time, you allow the Survivors to have their turn for a month and a half with closed borders and "permanent" (until the next cycle) headshot. Then re-open it to new admissions with the usual "Zombies stand back up" rules for a month and a half, then close it again and so on and so forth. That way, both sides always have something to look forward to and there's always something to plan for. Frankly, this solution still favors the Zombies somewhat in that a dead Survivor still never gets a chance to come back to life, but its significantly more fair than the current situation where Survivors can never repair a building for more than a couple of days before getting buried under a tide of zombies. While that may accurately reflect the desperate conditions of the later Dead movies and some of the supporting fiction, its not much fun to be a Survivor under these circumstances, and this is a game. --[[User:jng2058|jng2058]] 12:54, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Agreed. Right now Monroeville is only a game of attrition with an inevitable (tedious) end. Maybe that's in keeping with Romero's cannon, but it puts survivors in an unwinnable position and leaves the zombies without enough challenge to stave off boredom. If the game's going to be left open, then since zombies are in the advantage right now (by 4:1) why not restore headshot and see what happens? [[User:CoopVancer|CoopVancer]] 21:34, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Actually Coop- if you think about it- zombie take over isn't necessary canon in the zombie/post-apoc genre nor Romero canon, but merely an outcome of the core theme. What destroys the humans isn't the zombies, which are fairly weak, but their failure to overcome their individual self interest and cooperate. Restoring headshot would work now consistent with the canon. Headshot is something survivors learn with experience. At present, most of the survivors, don't have the XP to have headshot. <br />
::::: So I guess this is down to a test of wills then? Of humanity? How long can humans survive before break down, succumb to anarchy, or make a mistake and get eaten? '''We will not.''' Survivors will not descend into madness. We will survive under these horrible conditions! '''We will be ever vigilant!''' ''(until an emergency comes up in real life, then we're pretty much zombie-food)'' [[User:Bystander|Bystander]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Bystander, I recommend the buddy system. Give someone in your group your PW so they can move you in an emergency.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 00:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your reading is correct that perma-headshot isn't returning.--[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Will there be any type of reward for x number of survivors remaining? ==<br />
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I'm just going to say the only reason to ask this is because what the point of trying to survive if the hoard of zombies will eventually take over all? All i want to know is there anything that actually would give hope to the survivors?<br />
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:Yeah, it would be nice if the last 100 survivors were transported to Malton with text like "NAME survived the second Monroeville quarantine." or "NAME was one of the last 100 to die in Monroeville." on their profile page. --[[User:BetterLuck|BetterLuck]] 23:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::I hope something happens that's good at least for survivors, now they outnumber us way too much now--[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 15:44, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Monroeville Characters ==<br />
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I was just wondering if you had any plans for allowing players to have their Monroeville character's account moved to Malton. I just want to know because I happen to really like my MV character from an RP perspective and would like to play as him in a city that isn't completely ruined and dead... or at least use his name for a character in Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 03:08, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:No - you can transfer donation flags, but not characters. If you want to roleplay the same character in Malton, just create a new account with a slightly different name. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
How do you transfer donation flags from a Monroeville character to a Malton one? Thanks. --[[User:Alias81|Alias81]] 13:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just go to your "settings" page and enter a name. I've now added this to the [http://urbandead.com/faq.html#monroedonate FAQ]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Don't fucking jimmy me, jules. ==<br />
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I swear that 84 minutes almost pushed me over the brink...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:34, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, it looks like the wiki backups are pushing the server over the brink as well, from sheer weight of data, to the point of actually overheating the machine. I'm going to have to do another archive-history purge, as it's been a long time since the last one. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::NOOOOOO! Not the memories! Take anything but the memories! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:30, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::What about all teh lulz?!?!?!?!? Jed! ACTIVATE LULZ PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. CODE RED!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:44, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::OMG DID YOU SAY <big><big><big><big><font color="red">CODE RED?!?!?!?!</font></big></big></big></big>--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Good man. You'll do me proud yet. btw Kevan we just bought UD shirts so hopefully that means you don't have to go ahead with this "purging" business...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:48, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yeah i've thrown my best days into UD and my best money too. The least you could do is buy more server space so that a purge need never happen again. What if we need to check back over to see who made an edit? Or find long lost lulz? I mean [[2 Cool]] have a variety of quality projects using that space. [[ALiM]], [[ELiM]], [[Great Fire of 1912]], [[Sir Dick Longman]], [[Suburb Nicknames]], [[Colloquialisms]] and [[Malton Girl on Girl Parade]] all spring to mind. Of course there are many many more worthy pages created in the name of [[Kevanism|Kevan]], this is just a tasty sampling.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:53, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Stop blatantly spamming your endless vomit pile of useless wiki projects.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 11:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Quality projects using the ''page history'' space? If there's something good in there that's been deleted for wiki policy reasons, can't you host it somewhere else where people will actually find it? --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well if there is that's what we'll do. By the way - whilst I'm here, can I get your thoughts on [[ALiM|this page]]. Totally just out of interest and not fishing for an endorsement to stick in the first sentence of the article... And did you purposely give some of the locations amusing names or was it all the result of some cosmic event?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:22, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Also thanks for the recognition that they are in fact quality. And yes page history contains lols and should be kept for this reason. For example [[User:J3D/lol@finis|this particular work]] would never have been possible if page histories weren't kept. [[Save Page Histories]], i think i smell a 2C wikiproject coming on...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:32, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Ah that smell. I know her well.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Just wondering if there's a time-frame for this, there's an administrative Archive of Two we need to finish up before it happens, shouldn't take more than a few hours each.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Turns out that it might just be the A/VB talk archives.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::What in the name of all things holy is an archive history purge? Do i need to be in the brace position? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Look at the contribs of an older member, like myself. Ive ben around and posting since october 2005. you will see pretty much nothingb that old. A history purge is just that, a deletion of all revisions older than a certain age from the database. Its one of the reasons we make archive pages. Histories can get seriously huge, especially on larger, more active pages. For examples of the biggest, try A/VB and Talk:Suggestions --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 18:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Cheers Grimbo. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:06, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Couldn't Kev just get rid of the bigs one then? Talk suggestions is a particularly useless page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:08, 22 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'll be some time during September, and it'll be clearing out to a specific date (probably everything over a year old). If you need me to hold off while some admin archives are made, let me know. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I believe we finally got them all done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:17, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Maybe we do need to lose some of our precious memories...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Is barricading affected in dark buildings? ==<br />
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Would you be able to resolve [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Dark#barricading_success_is_also_affected_by_dark this question], please? (i.e. is there an effect in dark buildings on barricading success?) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:05, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:As Midi said, you should try doing your own research on this inquiry first. It seems like you haven't even checked by yourself. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 14:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's based on chance - sorta hard to get solid evidence when it could just be called "bad luck". Sometimes you have to go to the source to find out if you're just having a shitty day or if it's some game mechanic that's actually stopping you from hitting all those zeds at the local RP... I mean... er...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 14:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aeon, I ''did'' "check for myself"... As in. I've experienced it numerous times in-game... Then I went to Brainstock, asked around for a second opinion, and got one... But that wasn't good enough for you people... So I decided to ask Kevan, himself -- especially since Nallan kind of has a point, and since it's not easy to find the conditions to conduct the experiment... In any event, I managed to find a place to try it: I posted the results on the Darkness talk page. However, a quick word, yea or nay, from the designer really would be appreciated... Now... none of this "discussion" was necessary, not here, stop spamming this page, sheeesh. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:14, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You typed more than the first three comments combined. And you complain about spamming? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:31, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, there is an effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== theres 98 survivors in monroeville what now? ==<br />
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what is going to happen now? is there anything left for the survivors other than to just run or make a last stand? is there anything for staying alive till the end. --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Stay alive I guess. --[[User:Federationtrooper|Federationtrooper]] 22:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:umm the count jumped UP TO 100, what just happened? --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 03:50, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::And it's 101 now. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 05:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Idled characters standing up, most likely. Hellooooo. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:11, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Yes, idlers. So, will all characters be deleted completely? Should we make a last stand? What will happen to the accounts? Will there be permaneny links to the diaries, that can still be obtained after the accounts are deleted? Knowing the basic plan will help us figure out what we should be doing.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::If I recall correctly, at some point the game will be shut down. I mean ''shut down''. At which point Kevan has said that any donations on MV alts will be transferable to Malton. He has hinted that he might allow MV alts to be moved to Malton once it's shut right down -- although I haven't noticed anything like this in a while, maybe he's changed his mind? I dunno... My advice, personally is to wait and see... Possibly Kevan doesn't even know yet how he'll wrap it up. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::I'm [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Kevan#Monroeville_Characters pretty sure] that MV characters won't be transferable to Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 01:49, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Okay, but what will happen to the actual accounts though? What would happen if I tried to login with it after the map ends? Will the diary be preserved?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:59, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Aren't they (donation tags) already transferable? i'm pretty sure they should be. --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Donations are transferrable, and accounts aren't - it was always going to be one or the other, and donations seemed more appropriate. Profiles and diaries will be kept in perpetuity. And given how little difference there is between shutting the city down entirely and leaving it open for zombies to mill aimlessly around in, I might just leave it open. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fair enough? Any chance of us active zeds getting another tag in our profiles? Ive noticed those survivors still active have got one. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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For what? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 19:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like this [[http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1147825]], one like ''blah was an active zombie one month into the 2nd quarantine. '' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Again, I ask, "For what?" For staying active? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 23:35, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Sorry. yep.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::You knew when you signed up that it was not going to be a permanent map. And you knew the basic rules of the game, as well. You ''knew''... Now, deal with it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== FAQs addition? ==<br />
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I don't know why you haven't gotten around to it, but here you can even find a pretyped one to add. It's a quick, simple addition...<br />
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http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Add_encumbrance_section_to_the_FAQs<br />
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Also, I'm not trying to bother you, but could you check the bugs page and try to deal with some of those issues? I noticed my moved-outside reports already in the known bugs section, and that sounds like a creepy one that's been happening to a number of people. I also see a number of other bugs commonly happening, with no hint of what's going on. Thanks.<br />
--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Once again...[[PR_UI:_Sub_Pages#Tips_about_encumbrance|dupe]]. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:28, 30 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::That's why I wondered why he hasn't gottena round to it yet. It's been around a while, and it seems pretty needed.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:04, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Enough is enough ==<br />
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I know you don't want to deal with this kind of stuff... yeah yeah yeah... But please just ''look'' at [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.180 this post]. Just quickly... <br />
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Enough is enough, already. '''Please''' ban open proxies from accessing Urban Dead, because this is just too common -- and if anything is going to kill this game and the community it's zerging. There is a massive level of frustration over zerging, though honestly it's not brought up because people are fatalistic, figuring you're not going to do anything about it. But there are people willing and able to assist with the coding, with helping to set this up, you just need to say "Yes" to getting the ball rolling. Please consider it, consider ''something''... Because it's a serious problem ((that is, the use of proxies). And, unfortunately -- unless there is something huge we are all missing -- it's a problem that your abuse detection algorithms just can't deal with... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just to add... This guy in the post I linked to likely had his alts banned, and just kept making more and more to replace them... which, if true, shows that algorithm works against ''"normal" multi-abusers.'' But when you're dealing with proxies, you can completely circumvent those algorithms. And that's the problem... Active players usually encounter at least a couple ''obvious'' "zerg teams" every week... And a lot more less obvious but suspicious ones... It's very frustrating for those who try to play "by the book"... And while we generally just "shrug and bear it", still... I'm not going to bother you with this anymore now, but I really felt it was high time to bring this your attention, and to speak out for the many people who are so frustrated by the prevalence of zerging in Urban Dead. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:17, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm going to take the liberty of seconding the above on behalf of both the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]] and [[Columbine Kids]], two fair-playing teams that I lead who encounter zerg teams weekly. Whether something comes of this or not, I just want to add our voices. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 18:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ha. The only topic on the page not address by Kev on Sept 3. Come on man an least a reply saying you cbf would be nice...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:03, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Sure, I'll take a look at any ideas or technologies people have got. I'm not aware of any silver bullets that don't also turn up false-positives for people on weird ISPs or who have a misleadingly-configured home network, but would be happy to be proven wrong. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:29, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Interesting Tangent: Speaking of silver bullets, i recently found out that all that stuff from days yonder referring to silver bullets and there use in banishing monsters is actually ambiguous as to if it's talking about actual silver, or mercury (which was known as quicksilver at the time). so yeah, you may in fact be unaware of any mercury bullets. Just keep that in mind when banishing foes.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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There was a discussion on Beerhah.com about this... Where some people were attempting to seriously address the issue and then come to you with some solutions. Sadly, interest seemed to wane once Finis Valorum apparently left the game... However, I am going to copy what was probably the most relevant and hopefully most useful post in that discussion. As you'll see, the solution was not an algorithm and/or set of "suspicious" IPs, etc. -- which I gather was you were talking about above? Rather, the main idea it was using a list of known proxies and simply banning them. I actually think the wiki sysops have a pretty long list of banned proxies, for a start perhaps that could be used... <br />
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And, no solution is going to perfect. There will ''always'' be holes, always ways around whatever measures you impliment. As the post I'll copy discusses. That, I think, is pretty well understood. However, the point is to make it as difficult as possible for people to cheat. Open proxies are just ''too easy'' to find and use... Now, I don't know if paying for a proxy list is going to be effective, or a waste of money, considering how much these things change, apparently -- that's something someone with the right knowledge would have to decide. Anyway, I'm place the text of the post on [[User talk:WanYao| my Talk page]] for you to look at. Thanks for your time. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:21, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Sadly, we've got no follow up response yet... Kevan, are you listening? Just as another case in point, look at this... yeah I ''know'' what you say... But just look... I think you need to... I don't want to be a "bitch" about this... But I am really, really hoping we can find some way to address the zerging issue, and this requires a dialogue with you... <br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_7-1__644-f97-77b.html<br />
http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_8-1__0c7-19c-2b9.html<br />
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LOLz at my insane typos notwithstanding (i meant "flayed alive") .... This is sadly typical... We see this stuff all the time: here, 4 alts, at least, 2 each in adjacent buildings, from someone with a whole slew of "mithra" alts, many more than these 4, many of them previously spotted together -- this guy is familiar to us... We've presented some ideas for dealing with zergs like this, there is a discussion on the [[AZM]] Talk page... Will you work on this? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:08, 12 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Kevan, please do this: community appointed UD moderators. These trusted moderators will ban obvious zerging reported by players. To investigate zerging only basic information is needed: history of when the zergs all logged in, and how long they've been around each other. 95% of zergers are stupid and lazy and will be caught this way. No permanent bans, just temporary ones. Enough to make the zergers life difficult. --[[User:Rupert|Rupert]] 19:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:COMMUNITY appointed? You're joking, right? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 21:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'm kind of new, so forgive me if this is stupid... Am I correct in assuming that a lot of these zerg characters are level 1, or to a lesser degree level 2 that seldom level up or even gain XP but are used as scouts. If that's the case then I would think that any ''real'' account is going to gain XP and level up within reasonable time periods. If that's the case then would purging level 1 & 2 characters that don't level in say a month get rid of a lot of zergs? Or is there a legitimate reason for accounts within these parameters? --[[User:Mvario|mvario]] 01:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Most zergs (despite the name) do infact end up leveling up, check out all the [[GTFO]] zergs for an example. The one's that do stay at lvl 1 and 2 are throw aways that won't be used again anyway, so deleting them wouldn't have any effect except to free up the account name to be used by another player. And that is something Kevan has said he doesn't want as it would cause confusion. Also lol @ my post up there ^ from Sept 5.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Last Major Change to this page? ==<br />
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When was the last major change to this page made, the one where months pf posts were cleared off and the number of topics reset to 0 (I assume 0)?. What about the Suggestions Development Page, where the Overflow section used to be? I'm trying to find certain old stuff, and I need to know those important dates to do so...thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:07, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=prev&oldid=1241305]]This? You can chust check yourself by looking in the history tab at the top of each page. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:27, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:That link's no good.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::There was a history purge so links to old edits don't work. However purges aside he's right, if you need to find an old version of the page use the history tab at the top.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::When was the last purge anyhow? That would really help. Those do make thinsg confusing...looking for old stuff that's gone...--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 19:17, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Dear Kevan: ==<br />
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<span style="color: #800000; font-family: Times"><center>You may try to tear down our barricades, devour our friends and allies, destroy our home... But we ''will'' prevail. Your efforts will be met with the stalwart defense that Barrville has maintained for these three years, and with our community at our sides, you must eventually accept defeat. You will go down, Kevan... and we'll put you there. And we'll do it oldschool; With our fists, With our boots, with lead pipes...<BR>And yes, with Axes. We shall not be put down.<BR>'''We Are AXES HIGH'''<br />
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E Cinerebus, Gloriam --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 16:13, 5 September 2008 (BST)</center></span><br />
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:'''''HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!''''' [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Okay, I actually thought it was quite the honour to be eaten by Kevan... but none the less worthy of an overtly trenchy and overdramatic comment. - --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 20:46, 23 September 2008 (BST)<br />
==Database errors==<br />
We are getting some infrequent, but still painfully annoying database errors. Last night when i was trying to edit [[A/VD]] i couldnt because of them, and we lost two current revisions on a page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASpacer_one%2FAthair_bas&diff=1270526&oldid=1270400 here] to them as well. Can you please take a look and find out whats going on? --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 21:51, 10 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Noted. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:43, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like we lost a handful of page revisions during the history purge; I'll look at restoring them this afternoon. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:08, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Okay, fixed, the handful of pages that were affected are stable now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==About the proxy issues...==<br />
this site: http://www.gmodtop100.com/ had a similar iddue which involved everyone giving themselves votes using proxyies from proxy.org Recently the website restted all the lists and when I tried to give hits to my gmod clan, I discovered that by some sort of meckanism they had managed to block proxies from being able to vote. I know they hadn't simply banned them because even my top secret proxy was blocked and I had never used it to access the website before. Maybe if you could get in contact with this "Pulsar effect" guy we could finally end this. [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It's really not as simple as some people seem to think. Web-based CGI or PHP proxies, or even SOCKS/HTTP proxies, are merely the tip of the iceberg – anyone with any decent technical expertise or friends with same can bypass any proxy list you care to come up with. Sure, it might be helpful, but it won't be a silver bullet, as Kevan alluded to above. Either way, we'll need to continue with [[ZHU|community-based]] [[GTFO|solutions]], as well as any additional technological measures that may be implemented. And remember... {{cquote||It may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma... which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve.''|Edgar Allen Poe}}{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And...{{cquote||Some things are not problems to be solved, they are facts to be coped with.''|Anonymous}} --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:23, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Future history wipes==<br />
Would it be possible leave a few more months worth of page histories next time a wipe is done? It's making it very hard to evaluate and track deletion requests, vandal histories and the like when histories just weeks old are missing, making it especially difficult to determine who should have "ownership rights" of group pages. Loosing histories will always be a problem, but the problem can be lessened significantly if you could keep it to older edits <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:56 20 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Or a portion of the oldest edits on a page(like the first 5 if possible).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And maybe a backup for the suburb danger status, using that sql code i sent you last time... heh... too bad i only found out about this wipe weeks after it occured, or i would have asked you to make the backup before the wipe. Bugger. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 03:14, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== I'm wishing for headshot.... ==<br />
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maybe for those left in monroeville should have something, like headshot, cause look at whats left... [[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:53, 4 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:The problem with that is to use headshot, you need to interact with zombies. A lot of the zeds left metagame, and all you'd do is draw others to your location. So yes. Bring it back. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I agree, running from zeds is getting old. I imagine they must be pretty bored as well. If not perma-death, how about headshot drops AP to zero. Otherwise we'll continue this war of attrition. Also shouldn't we get new badges? It would be cool if we had an incentive to keep playing besides making the zeds look impotent.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== ALiM's Birthday Party ==<br />
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You've been cordially invited to attend ALiM's birthday party at [[Club Head]] at 10am GMT on the 18th of October. Festivities will last for a full 24 hours. See [[Talk:Amusing_Locations_in_Malton#ALiM_PARTY.21.21.21|here]] for more details, oh divine master.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 02:15, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Misconduct ==<br />
I figure you are already aware of whats going on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#User:Grim_s| Here] but figured you should be formally informed. The final decision of the community has not been reached, but the general consensus will at the very least include the Bureaucrat status being removed from Grim. More may or not follow depending upon deliberations. Thank You. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:25, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:You have provided no evidence of misconduct. This is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:18, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Grim pipe down, everyone knows what you think and we also happen to know what Conn thinks. I can appreciate you're pissed off but can you not write the same boring ass one line all over the place, at least i nice tl;dr wall for old times sake ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:33, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Its not a boring arse line. Its a simple fact. All accusations of abusing the status of sysop as abadge of authority to force ones wishes on the community '''must''' come with '''clear evidence''' over a '''substancial period of time'''. So far no such evidence has been presented, and all my requests that it be have been soundly ignored by all concerned. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:36, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Conveniently all such evidence was wiped by Kev yestermonth, so i guess it falls down to your word against his/theirs. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Evidence already posted would still be present, easily visible to all who try a basic search. In any case, as [[user:Revenant]] has said, this is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Court Kangaroo Court], nothing more nothing less. My defense, which is logically sound, has been ignored, except where people have cherry picked points to troll. Saddam Hussein got a fairer trial than i am. In any case, without evidence, you cannot convict. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:40, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug*, shouldn't have declined my sysopship... ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::You were unfit for the job, and your subsequent tantrum proved as much to even the most jaded of eyes. My job isnt to make friends, or to be popular, or to do what people want, its to do what the rules and guidelines of this wiki state is correct, and to make the best decisions for the wiki in places where the guidelines do not cover. I am the only person to have ever lived up to that responsibility. No one else has, though karek comes damned close. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:47, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::oh come on, it was a joke! I thought even in your current state you should have picked it up. Feel free to slur away, hope it makes you feel better, xoxo. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:51, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Im sorry, but one seldom finds entertainment when one is the victim of such obvious and gross injustice where one cannot do anything about it. I apologise. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::apology accepted, we shall see how it plays out...now, to leave kevan's talk page so he doesn't get pissed off and cancel my accounts!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, this page was already on my watchlist. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:37, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::You gonna have a vote? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Contrary to Conndraka's first post, this is not a community decision at all. It is in fact a decision made by a small group of sysops. I trust the subtle difference and obvious deceit on Conndraka's part is not lost on you. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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There being no official method or process of notification...[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Final_Ruling| Here] is the result. Note the community "petition" that is also currently attached to the position. There being no "Policy" in this manner, the impeachment of a sysop by the community is a nebulous proposal at best. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:00, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:So that was you that thought that it would be a good idea to try to drive someone to vandalism as a last resort at neutrality? If it wasn't whoever added that petition should themselves be vandal escalated for misusing an administrative page to further a personal fight. Precedent matters.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:13, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Just for the record it was me who added the "petition" it was not intended to be used as evidence against Grim it and i thought it was pretty clear that I was asking for the communities opinion on wether Grim should face a vote. more than 1 person thought not.... apparently my intention was not clear enough and it turned into a petition while i was off-line. Should Grim have lost his Crat status? Probably... should he have lost it for the misconduct case? Absolutely not!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Bug, "zerg flag", or what? ==<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=951980 This alt] has recently tried searching for FAKs in a powered Mall with *no* success. 'Tis far more than bad luck... All other actions seem to working just fine, and I really can't see how a zerg flag could have been activated, even accidentally. Is this a bug, some unannounced change, or has a zerg flag somehow been activated? Anyone else had anything similar happen? But if it is a bug, then I'll report it normally... Thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:09, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unannounced change, although you shouldn't be getting ''zero'' success. If it keeps up, report it as a bug and we'll get some more data on it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Can you post these things as news? not only are we in a news drought, but it'll send the mall rats scurrying to the TRPs...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:25, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::It seems a bit cheap to announce search tweaks as fully-fledged "game updates". There are some proper updates on the way. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Perhaps, but it makes a difference. And considering it was suggested through the wiki suggestion system it'd a tip of the hat to the crowd over there (regardless of whether or not you actually saw that ;) ), i look forward to new updates :D something pro zombie perhaps? Things have quietened down in Malty as of late...btw kudos on the ruin update, she added a whole new dimension to the game.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Oh good. I thought this was just me. I have been getting reduced search rates EVERYwhere. (Hospitals, Malls, NT buildings.) Quite a few days I've spend 18~23 AP in these buildings over a period of about 10~12 minutes and have found nothing at all. Recently I've used a mall-searcher and spent 20 AP in Caiger NW and have found nothing in any store. It woulda been nice to see this as an official update. [[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 14:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yay! Updates are ace. :D -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:47, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Yes, please announce it or something. I was sad to find just 2 FAKs with 20 APs in a lightened mall with bargain hunting. Its just very less. First i thougt, it was bad luck, but others said the same too. Maybe a small view, what has been changed would be nice. --[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 17:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::'''My search-statistics:'''<br />
:::::::'''Where:''' lightened Mall, searched in the Drugstore<br />
:::::::'''Skill:''' Shopping+Bargain Hunting<br />
:::::::'''APs:''' 38 / 47<br />
:::::::'''Found nothing:''' 30 / 36<br />
:::::::'''Found a FAK:''' 8 / 11<br />
:::::::'''Rate:''' 21,06% / 23,4%<br />
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Assuming there are no more break-ins at my safehouse, I'll post some data tomorrow. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk]] </span> </sup> 04:26, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the reply, Kevan... No, you're right, haven't had a lot of time to play lately, but I tested it further and I did finally find some FAKs... And for everyone else... I believe I know ''exactly'' why Kevan implemented this. And it pleases me, personally, very much. :) Meanwhile, this wasn't a game-mechanic change, just a search rate nerf... Thus, I think it's cool it was left for us to discover on our own, and not as an announcement... Even if I had to resort to the cheap method of asking the big guy himself... ;) Though I did suspect it might be a search rate nerf, I just didn't ''dare'' to believe'' :D ... Thanks, Kevan, cool change... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:01, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh... FTR limited data... but searching for guns in a mall ''seems'' the same as always... and syringe rates have been quite low for some time now... just to clear up statement made above about everything sucking... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:05, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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You know, there's a [[Search Odds|better place]] than Kevan's talk page to dump this data... --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup II==<br />
I have regularly spoken to you of the abuses of adminsistrator and the flaws of the system. I have begged, and pleaded for you to become involved in fixing these problems. You have told me to do it myself. Tow/three days ago i notified you of my intent to stage a coup on this wiki and enforce a better way, at the very least as a trial run. I also informed you that you could call it off simply by telling me "no". Since you havent responded, and circumstances have cospired to make such an option impossible in the immediate future due to the very corruption that has taken root, i have been forced to go ahead earlier than i would have liked. I merely ask that you adopt a wait and see attitude towards what i am trying to do. This is my last throw of the dice. My last ditch attempt to make this a better place before i take my leave of this community forever. I apologise for the manner in which i had to bring it about however. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 10:26, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hello Grim. I read your email as a bold request for ''permission'' to single-handedly institute "sweeping reforms" and selective sysop demotions. I didn't realise you were threatening to actually abuse bureaucrat powers and go ahead regardless, if I didn't respond quickly enough.<br />
:Yes, whenever you email me asking that I force through a change that you personally want implemented, I suggest that you take it through the proper channels - usually a policy discussion, to at least get some community feedback first. I don't see why you couldn't have done that here. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup==<br />
Could you please re-sysop all the people that Grim just demoted, please, and remove his bureaucrat status to avoid it happening again? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:24 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Already onto it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::sooo....where do we go from here? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::[[Suburb Nicknames#West Becktown|PUSSY TOWN]]!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Shouldn't grim also have been demoted ? He can still do lots of damage with his sysop powers --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Given the "effective immediately i am seizing executive power" tone of his bureaucrat abuse, and the fact that he claims to have left the wiki permanently, temporarily revoking his sysop powers seems fair enough, if only as a security issue. I'll reverse it should the [[Misconduct#User:Grim_s|new misconduct case]] decide in his favour. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:34, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Hm... I think I may create a new subpage on my userspace containing as much of this stuff as I can. It will be interesting to read through and spot the points at which Grim became more and more frantic. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::First Katthew, now grim. There is no place for common sense is there? Maybe i'm not in possession of all the facts; all I see is one frustrated person finally snapping, after years spent as one of the very few sysops to actually work to make this a better place - rather than feather his own nest. The wiki has finally moved from being a source of information to some kind of passive-aggressive, UD version of Facebook. I'd rather have one person capable of making a mature decisions, unafraid to step on a few toes and deflate a few egos, than a gaggle of preening children. Disappointing. --[[User:Keith Drudgely|Keith Drudgely]] 17:58, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Grim was anything but "mature". Just saying. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 20:56, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::you should talk, cyberbob... actually, i do think grim was someone who worked hard for the wiki... and he'd dealt with idiocy for so long, he did snap... however, if only he'd handled things better over the long haul... le sigh... for what it's worth, the drama has pretty much caused me to quit the game, too... pathetic how seriously some people (myself included) take all this sometimes... and interesting how easy it is to walk away when the bad taste gets to be too much, and how little you miss UD when you do... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:36, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Biiig difference between being immature by choice and being immature by impulse, Wan. Also, WTF is with you and ellipses? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:18, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::~2 years till the next sysop snaps. I can understand where Grim was coming from though. It's very frustrating when people constantly attack you for no perceived reason, and eventually you *have* to snap, no one can sustain continued harassment. Grims misconduct case showed this, sysops calling for Grims demotion over something so minor was ridiculous. Unfortunately once a group of users has decided to attack you there's nowhere safe on the wiki, and eventually you are forced to leave until things cool off, which can be a long while, and difficult to do if you are a regular. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">11:35/13/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::::OR you could simply cease the unneccessary causticness that brought on all that ire and start acting with some degree of restraint rather than taking the easy route and trying to lay the blame on others. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:52, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Cyberbob's right, just because you weren't a victim of Grim's monster rampage doesn't mean it didn't happen. You should try to understand Jedaz, people didn't just rise against Grim for fun. We aren't idiots. If we were mindless idiots we would be playing Halo 3 and NFL 2009 instead of UD. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:58, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::It's called Madden you culturally ignorant fuck. Nah you're allllright. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:02, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::How dare you be here and not on IRC. You left me alone with those barbarians. >=[ {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::sorry sorry! I was spose to go to bed 21 minutes ago...hows a week tonight for you? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:19, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::@Cyberbob - What kind of restraint are you talking about? Restraint of language? I don't see anyone else restraining themselves. Restraint of Sysop powers? Well there wern't any successful misconduct cases about misuse. If you are talking about restraining yourself once you've snapped then you must be laughing. Don't get me wrong, Grims attitude didn't help the situation, but people making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't going to help either.<br />
::::::::@DDR - What has Grim done since June to have this "uprising" occur? Personally I didn't see Grim do anything outside of his regular behaviour (ignoring this most recent case), and the community has known about his behaviour for a long time and still elected him! Would the community still have rised up if this didn't occur? If not then it's just an angry mob and it would have cooled down eventually, where as an uprising would still have occured.<br />
::::::::Anyway, if either of you wish to continue this conversation I'ld suggest we move this to my [[User_talk:Jedaz|talk page]] rather then clog up Kevans. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:34/14/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::My point, Jedaz, was that if Grim was at all socially intelligent he would have realised that people weren't going to take his shit forever. If he wanted to prevent an explosion of the sort we saw he should've taken steps to improve his self-control. Blaming his completely unreasonable hissy fit (ZOMG IM GONNA LOSE MAI CRAT STATUS ALL MUST DIE) on the completely understandable reactions of everyone else is ridiculous. You need to take off the "I got yo back brotha!" goggles (you think I don't remember the circumstances of your demotion?) and take a step back to look at things realistically. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I supose you have a point. But I don't think you fully understand the reason I chose to be demoted (if you did then you wouldn't have brought it up). My point is if you don't have the support of the team you are working in then of course you are going to find it tough and eventually you are either going to quit or break. Nobody seems to care that it can actually get to this point. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:20/16/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::Cyberbob's right. Do you actually have a personal history with Grimsky? He has been planning this entire explosion for a very long time. He probably stretched out the time of the case so it could build up to a bigger explosion. He deliberately did this for his own ego. And yet you don't think he was unfit to be at the position he was at? Why argue with us more? Ask the entire community which demanded what we demand right now. I don't want to disrupt Kevan (I know your reading hun =]) So I'll stop here, no need to pursue justification. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::it was very calculated, there was a reason he chased away the other competent sysops, and crats, and meatpuppeted his crat "election". He was planning this "coup" for a while and was no lapse in judgement.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:30, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::I miss all of the good stuff. I believe what Anime is referring to is discussed [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|here]], with a now dead reference to [[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysop_Sub_Groups:The_Cheesy_Version#"With_less_than_10_active_sysops"|the original conversation here]]. You know, where he admits to hounding sysops such as Vista and Hagnat to get them to quit their positions. Coincidentally, after he got Hagnat to quit, he got elected as a Bureaucrat. No, obviously no long term plan in place.<br />
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:::::::::::Whoops. I guess it ''was'' a long term plan to get into power after all, huh? [[Image:Haw.gif]] --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:52, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::No way to prove this but on IRC Grim would often criticize my "hissy fits" of pissing people off for lulz and then brag about how he could do it better. I think AS remembers it, he often hung out in #udwiki. My point, he planned this. That wasn't impulse. Impulse is "DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING!!!" --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:07, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::Maybe they are talking about on a geological timetable. Or perhaps some people need to [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impulse%5B2%5D read more]. I do find it amusing that [[:Template:Grim Doom|this template]], which was meant as a joke, is closer to the truth than people like to believe. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::He made [[User:Grim_s/Sandbox/Thingamajig|these notes on attempting to scrap the system]] back in July, which included the idea that my veto power was a "problem" and should be revoked. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::That's kind of why I am confused how what [[User:Amazing|Amazing]] did was worse than this. There is a huge history of edits of Grim chasing users off of the wiki in order to attain the power he craved ([[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|'''by his own admission''']]), then kicks off the rest of the sysop team to implement his changes when he is threatened, yet he doesn't receive the same punishment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::You're confusing yourself, because the Amazing and Grim situations are totally different. Amazing wasn't a sysop when he earned his permban through the established VB escalation system, and it was also a long, long time ago. Most of the sysops ruling on Grims case had nothing to do with the wikigate farce. Careful what you wish for, Akule, [[Witch Burners]] arn't that picky, as you well know <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:35 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::::Oh, okay, so talking with Kevan about how Grim probably should have been permabanned for chasing away several good sysops, plotting to remove Kevan's veto power, and overthrowing the other sysops results with veiled threats of forcing me off the wiki from you. Gotcha. So, when are you going to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Amnesty&diff=next&oldid=1295384 "waah"] Kevan like you did Hagnat and the others? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:17, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::I'm not threatening to force you off the wiki, Akule. I'm trying to point out that if witch burners always got their way, Grim would be out, but so would you, long ago due to copyright-gate. And why the hell would I Wah Keven, you clown... you're the one doing the waaaaahing <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::It's cos deep down (very deep, in some cases) we've all got a soft spot for ol' grimchy.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::And the winner of the Speak For Yourself award goes to.... --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 08:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Ooo! ooo! I'm a shoo in for this one! Pick me! Pick me! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:58, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::Umm...Boxy? How is what Grim did similar to the Witch Burners? Our goal is to remove those who create mass amounts of drama on the wiki through vandalism, arby's, and other crap. We are the vigilantes that work where the sysops can't. Grim would have been a target of ours if we weren't so afraid of him banning us after labeling him a target. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:25, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Well, I was referring to the way Grim has become a targeted witch, actually, but he did use similar tactics, now you mention it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::::::::::::The problem Grim saw with Kevan's veto power was that Kevan's refusal to participate in the wiki and the absence of the threat of the use of that power was in and of itself damaging to the wiki and led to a lot of the crap that annoys all of us. It wasn't that Kevan had veto power but that Kevan wasn't willing to give that power any weight. You'd probably know that if you ever spoke to Grim outside of arguments.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:24, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::I did. Usually it was go back to an argument, mostly over stupid shit. Mentioning you like Star Wars would result in a vicious attack on why TIE Fighters can't make noise in space. I for one don't give a shit. Grim loved to create trouble over stupid shit. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:23, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::That wasn't directed at you Sonny.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:54, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::BUT GODDSDAMMIT TIE FIGHTERS CAN'T MAKE A NOISE IN SPACE!!!!!!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 18:28, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::fcuk u tehy can 2!!1!!!1one! --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::: obviously the whole star war universe takes place in a particle rich nebula that allows for both the transmission of sound and the really spectacular explosions...DUH! [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:07, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Well at least we don't have Real Gamer ruling the wiki.Grim did make a joke about a coup earlier in 2008 around the time the the dead did their rampage I believe.And by the way, according to the History Channel,if you were in space,the Death Star firing and destroying a planet is as less loud than you clicking your computer's mouse.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Coup Misconduct Resolution ==<br />
[[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Resolution.2FFinal_Ruling| Resolution]] of the Misconduct case due to the coup, Just an FYI for official notification. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== HP? ==<br />
Just stood up after a revive... Found myself at 20 instead of 30. another one of these unannounced changes? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:07, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:That would be a bug. Report it if it happens again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:24, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I like the NT scan tweak. Very classy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Grammar ==<br />
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You try to add some corrugated iron to the barricade, but can't find a place for them.<br />
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"Them" should be "it", or "corrugated iron" should be plural, so maybe "corrugated iron rods".<br />
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Hope this is in the right place, and I know you probably don't care that much about small gramatical errors but someone needs to point them out!<br />
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Feel free to downsize the image..I would but I need to run! {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 12:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Update ==<br />
I don't do this much and am actually on the side of criticizing updates as too much for false problems but this recent update has been something that has been long in the waiting. Thank You, this might actually get me playing my characters again.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:37, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll go along with that. Admittedly I'm far more easily-pleased than Karek and never stopped actively playing, but still, thanks for a great update. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:27, 17 October 2008 (BST).<br />
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== Privacy Policy ==<br />
Hi kevan, is there any chance of a Privacy Policy being written up regarding players IP's and emails. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:58, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:[[UDWiki:Privacy policy]] has been in the footer for a couple of years now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:13, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Sorry I did not make it clear, I meant in regards to the game, not the wiki.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 10:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Streetwalkin' cheetah with a heartful of napalm ==<br />
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A ruffian headbutted me for 1 damage today, as a human. Is this a new addition or am I slow? I basically came here to ask, Kevan, how does one headbutt? Is it a random occurance that may happen instead of excecuting the punch command? Just curious. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:22, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Heh. That would have been me, non? Headbutt works via ?actions, i simply installed a greasemonkey script that allows me to perform said action in harman form without using the ?action. Sometimes young ddr, the only way to fight fire is well, with fire ;) . --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:50, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::That would be biting with a mask while alive I assume. 'cause you can bite while alive but, for 1 damage.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:49, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like the shooting while a zombie cheat to me. That hasn't been fixed yet, has it? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:27 18 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::That was fixed just before April 1 this year, I remember because Red Rums April Fools plans were ruined.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 17:06, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::The only reason the shooting cheat got fixed was because enough people decided to whine about such a minor thing. No one really cares about this one and it's been known for a long long time. That being said the damage is reduced when trying to perform zombie actions while living, it's always punch damage and I think punch rates too.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:58, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Nah no mask, just 1 damage.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:55, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I wish to lay claim to be the first person to be headbutted for 1 damage by a harman. Then I'll be positively famous. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:52, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You aren't. Unfortunately i'm not original, i got the script that allows me to do this off viktor, first person i know of who got headbutted was Fiffy i think, check with Anime, he'll know! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:06, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Take it to [[Talk:Actions via "question marks"]], thanks kids... no need to bother Kevan with this. Basically all these attacks work as a punch with different flavour: they're all 25% to hit, 1 damage. And you're very late to the party, I know I and others have been doing this for 6 months or more. Pretty much from around the time ActOnProfile came out. <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:34, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And unlike shooting while a zombie...the damage able to be inflicted by this is minimal. I've been bitten by a harman before. It was hilarious. ;) --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 04:15, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aha! That sneaky gorilla's secret is revealed! At last the world makes sense again. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 05:09, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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/topic. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:31, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== so wait... new map? whats for monroeville? ==<br />
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2 questions....headshot on this map or?<br />
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and monroeville is at 260 poeple so im kinda wondering if theres anything left for it....<br />
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[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 10:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:First question, the first one to level 10'll find out. Question 2, get over it, there's been nothing there for ages...new city thyme :D --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Kazypoo1, Monroeville ''did'' die quite a while ago, in case you didn't notice... I thought it said 'permanent zombification' somewhere, and it only lasts a month, so I'm assuming its perma headshot. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::No, headshot doesn't mean permadeath in Borehamwood. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hello Kevan, quick question: The stats page currently displays the Monroeville numbers as {{udspan|(1023 standing survivors, 707 standing zombies, 43896 accounts created)}}. I take it this is Borehamwood numbers mixing with the old of Monroeville. So will we get separate stats for Borehamwood? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:So. That's basically 950 survivors against 200 zombies at the moment? Still I liked getting the rage. It was fun. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Good point. Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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With the new locations such as railway line(s) and petrol station(s), what do they bring to the game? Is their any new weapons/items? --[[User:Alcatraz311|Alcatraz311]] 15:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Was this why the server went down last night by any chance? =P -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Publicity of Big Brother house location ==<br />
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Greetings. I, amongst others, would like to know your opinion on publicity of the Big Brother house location on the wiki. Should it stay hidden or be revealed? --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 13:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Unless Kevan comes out and says otherwise, this is no different than any other location in the game. Removing it is in no way different to a group of trenchies removing [[Giddings Mall]] from the map in case [[MOB]] comes to visit. Information is free. Censorship is bad.<br />
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:This wiki is a game resource, not a vehicle for censorship so that certain players can increase their chances of winning a DVD.<br />
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:Also this information has already been disseminated to public UD forums and is available through public iwitnesses. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Had this talk with the Big Man before, and he said he has no problem with it. Actually, he imagined its coordinates would have been posted in a matter of hours on the wiki, and also broadcasted through radio and stuff like that. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's up to players how much information they share or conceal; I don't mind either way, in this case. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Wow... as if we don't get enough of the BB franchise on the idiot box, now we get huge BB eye's looking at us as we attack a mall in Malton? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:59 2 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:They'd only be there because someone chose to spraypaint them, but the graphic shouldn't have been showing up outside Borehamwood. This is now fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::OK, thanks. I have a particular hatred of the bastardisation of the original "big brother" concept that involves housemates <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:56 3 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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== Questions about your character ==<br />
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I assume this UD ID is yours, correct, UD ID-11? Well, I'd like to welcome you to West Grayside, though I don't appreciate the eating of so many brains. Also, I don't appreciate the Ninja Zombie status you seem to give yourself. we all know the military covers up things, but covering up their own skills? I scanned your zombie, listed as pre-death class Military, but you lack any military skills! So is just a sick joke, or is it a bug? Picture of scan here:<br />
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Thanks for checking.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Damn, that's a pretty smart catch! Bub is pretty famous among organized zombie players, and most folks know him for not having any human skills, but I never knew he was a "military class" character, as I've never seen the "living" version of his profile.<br>I doubt its a bug; G. Romeroe's "Bub" character was military. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 22:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::How did he get Military without any skills? .......... Oh wait.... Mad haxors skill... :P --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Bweing god of Urban dead helped as well; being able to defy the laws of logic and the 4rth dimension and whatnot. Wait whats his human account?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 03:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So, what is his human account? --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 17:00, 26 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::I don't think any of the survivor accounts are known, but we know he has them out there... Somewhere... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 02:41, 27 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=14 Kevan] doesn't seem to do much <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:11 27 September 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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== Mediawiki Update ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if there any chance of getting wiki software updated? The latest version is v1.13 and there are several useful new features, including: <br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
It's not urgent or anything, but it would be nice if you could put it on your busy to-do list :D.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That sounds pretty cool. =) Can we get it for Christmas? Means you'd only have to get us one present between us this year, saving you quite a lot of money. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Image undeletion is enabled by default as well-useful for when sysops accidentally delete a useful image {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Black Holes of Borehamwood==<br />
Evening. There's a couple of squares in [[Borehamwood]] that are seemingly unscoutable. Namely deep river sections. Can you confirm there's nothing mysterious and shiny hiding in the depths, islands and the like? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'd just like to also say thank you for the charcoal briquettes barricade message. Brought a smile to my face.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazing ==<br />
I'v always owndered for these 2 years; what in the hell DID amazing do anyways? What grim did is easy to see because of the publicity and recentism of it but what EXACTLY did amazing do?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amount of characters in a broadcast ==<br />
I was wondering, Since I started the [[Galaxy News Radio]] i've found that the very small amount of characters you can use is at best, a thorn in my side, couldn't it be possible to make the transmission amount of characters the same as for speaking, it makes perfect sense really --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 21:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If you want to make a suggestion for an in game feature, take it by [[Developing Suggestions]] and get some constructive criticism before putting it up for voting. Although as far as i'm aware the character cap exists to limit spamming of radio channels.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Actually it's probably more of a necessary thing like the 50 people limit in normal speak is. Radio can't share that limiter because that would eliminate it's whole purpose so the only other ways to limit it is to put an upper end on how much you can say per day per channel.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::It's a possibility, but since character limits (as far as i'm aware) predates the need for limiting talking to 50 it seems odd.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
Okie i'll take this to the development pages, thanks for the feed back though guys {{unsigned|An unlucky guy|11:00, November 23, 2008}}<br />
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==Dead Set Competition== <br />
Can I assume that the prizes and all went off without a hitch so I can update the competition as a Past event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, the winners have been selected and contacted, and talking to the cameras in the diary room no longer has any effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Trade?==<br />
Sorry to bother you but I was wondering why survivors can't trade. This could lead to more eaisly avalible equipment, I think there would be a limit thou. Generators couldn't be traded etc. I think that it might help the humans in a bunch of Unbalanced claims. Players could not trade to same Ip address characters would stop cheating and it could lead to characters traveling round Malton selling there wares which would be fun to see. My regards it's a great game and I've got a bunch of my freinds playing now too. Thanks from me and them [[User:Athur birling]]<br />
:Heya. If you want to make a suggestion for an addition to the game you should go [[suggestions|here]]. In the meantime check out [[Frequently_Suggested#Giving_or_Trading_Items|this]] which explains why trading is generally seen as a bad idea. Anyway, welcome to the totally awesome UD wiki!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The [http://www.urbandead.com/faq.html#trade FAQ] does hint at trading, but he also says it will take lots of thought. I imagine the coding would be nightmarish too. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::you know what link? you're alllllllllllllllllright.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks {{unsigned|Athur birling}}<br />
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==Making a list? Checking it Twice?==<br />
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We getting a chrimbo update? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow? ==<br />
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Are you hiding it under your cap? Or NO SNOW FOR MALTON WINTER 08'? I miss mah flakie friends! --[[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 21:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:[http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a841/a841.gif Al Gore was right]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd like to put in another vote for snow! I missed the fog this year at Halloween and the snow really added some nice flavour in my opinion. --[[User:Queen Mum|Queen Mum]] 00:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Need moar snow. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== what, no more newspapers? ==<br />
they don't seem to be showing up in hospitals anymore. got rid of them, eh? any chance of them coming back, i love smacking people with 'em! :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:They should be somewhere else maybe? It was annoying with them in hospies. Luckily all ma guys have them already :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Still plenty of places to find [[newspapers]], guys. lrn2wiki. <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, there are no more newspapers in Hospitals. I search them often, and not in ages have I found a newspaper therein. Update that wiki page? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Same here. Seems safe to update. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== I can't smash Xmas lights??? ==<br />
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Those darned Whos! I hate them!! But seriously, the option to smash christmas lights in a ruined building is not available. This is blatant discrimination against zombie scrooges. I protest! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:My apologies. I figured it out. :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hi, I'm a big fan. I finally found your talk page and I have a question, can you reinstall headshots in Monroeville as the humans think they can take down us zeds........--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leaving nice messages for Kevan is fine, however we have a system for suggesting improvements. Please go to [[Developing_Suggestions|Developing Suggestions]] and suggest it there. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 19:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Character Deleted == <br />
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I wanted to make sure that this [[Fixed_Bugs#Teleport_across_Malton_and_level_0_account||bug]] was fixed but it appears that it is not fixed. If you are on the edge of Malton and go to http:urbandead.com/map.cgi?v=100-99 it will mess up your character. I did this with my charachter Yark and now whenever I log in I can't perform any actions with him, and it seems his skills have been deleted: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815674 --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 20:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No! Yark! =( -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Just replicated it by going from 0,99 to 0,100 in New Arkham with a random throwaway I just made: [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1442227 Testy McTesterson]. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I hate to say it, I killed mister <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=142058 password]</span>. After more poking, I have observed even more; Couple of AP and permadeath, I'm the first to go from Spicer Hills to Dakerstown instantly. I'll work out more details when my IP hits refresh, as I just used a proxy that I didn't much like. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::<nowiki>:</nowiki>'( --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::password will live on. (and probably be revivificated) Also, what about 100-100? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::[[:Image:Testy.jpg|We're alive!!]] =D We're level 0 and we've got a zombie chewing on us, but we're alive!! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Fixed. I've dropped Yark into a random, secure building, and given the character 1000XP to get up and running again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The bug? Or Yark? password and Testy are level 0.. The bug was interesting, odd behaviour, but it would be nice if after a server reset you could be free to move again. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 18:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The bug. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 18:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Project Namespace ==<br />
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we have few projects, yet i was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting to have them in their own namespace. Thus projects like [[The Great Mall Project]] and [[ALiM]] would be located in [[Project:The Great Mall Project]] and [[Project:ALiM]]. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but "Project" is a builtin alias for whatever the name of the wiki is (here it's "UDWiki"). e.g. [[Project:Administration]] is the same as [[UDWiki:Administration]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Darn, forgot about that. Maybe in the plural then, [[Projects:The Great Mall Project]] --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::That would just be confusing.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Just Plain Vanity ==<br />
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Any chance of a {{Udspan|''' Dermot O'Leary was still alive and active one month into the Borehamwood quarantine.'''}} ? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== about the admin team ==<br />
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how do you feel about the current sysop team of the wiki ? do you have any problems with how we run things ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:does he give a fuck? recent history would suggest probably not. Stop fishing for compliments hagnat. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:okay that came out a little harsh, but i don't see why you want to bring kevan into this other than for your own gratification. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Hedging much? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 13:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::It's pretty easy to predict what he's going to say. Why would he complain? You can't have nothing to do with your own games wiki then rock up and say 'i hate the way you people run it' and then disappear again. Unless he wants to get involved in the wiki again kevan ''can't'' say he has a problem with the way they run it. Although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Easier than that, last time someone asked him to weigh in on promotions his response was that he basically didn't want his opinion brought into the matter. So No Comment is probably the best bet.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Me? I'm just the guy who provides the hosting, here - I'll step in if there are server issues, or if a rogue bureaucrat locks the wiki down, but everything else is up to the community. If I wanted to have a say in wiki policy, or who should and shouldn't be a sysop, I'd already be doing that. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::J3D 1, haggy, zerrro. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Hey, he gives a fuck about how the community is run. He just won't say how much or what he gives a fuck about. :D --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span></small> 02:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I think Hagnat's concerned for his sysop status. I would be too if I was a ''trusted user'' that was acting against the wishes of the community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop right there Iscariot! I am sick and tired of you constantly saying that every sysop on the team is going agaisnt the wishes of the community! Most of the community never has a problem with the current admin team, and when they do it's rarely a huge problem. Now you come on Kevan's page and still continue the bad mouthing. Just face it, no matter what you will never be pleased with the administration and so you will constantly have to pretend that the whole community is on your side so that you will feel right in your head.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::How many people are there playing the game? How many are on this wiki? Yes, some people don't have time to spend on anything other than playing the game, but how many people are putting hours a day into the meta game and ''still'' won't touch this wiki without an exceptional reason? And how many of those people have told you that the current administration team is one of the primary reasons? My total ''will'' beat yours. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The wiki is an information source. Almost everything is explained in game when you encounter it (1st death, 1st Rez. etc.) So, not every one needs to touch the wiki or even use it as a resource. <br />
::::The wiki is the worst place to organize and meta-game. Just ask DHPD. When we were just Project:T.I.M.E. (well, before the Dead/DoDH) we were seriously outnumbered by them, but because they had all of their profiles linked on here and updated where they were going to be and who they were working with and so on we knew enough about them to take them out. The wiki shouldn't be for the meta-game it should be for information. That's why most groups of note have an off site forum to metagame. You can't blame the current staff because people have figured out that giving away too much information on their groups is bad thing.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::That has so little to do with what iscariot said.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Get it off Kevan's page. He doesn't need to be bothered with a dispute between users. Have it out on each others talk pages, or even mine, just don't start bringing it here. Okay?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 01:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I know, I'm sorry. I just wanted to counter Iscariot's comment because I know exactly what he's trying to accomplish by posting that. I, unlike Iscariot, am done here now.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Much as I hate the way Iscariot is going about his crusade I have to say he does have a point. The sysop team probably does not represent the view of even a large minority of players and that explains why so few players contribute. Not that i think its all the Admin teams fault, but the rules they follow and enforce reflect a community that no longer exist. Most sysops were promoted long before most current players even heard of the game yet the tag "trusted user" is still attached to the title "SYSOP". Few current wiki users vouched for them and fewer still of the actual player base and yet they still cling to positions claiming that "popular" votes undermine the system! They are right that popularity does not mean competence but... Franky i find it a bit odd that sysops can claim the label "trusted user" and not be willing to allow the community to confirm that label. Look back to Conn's promotion bid, or Boxy's or Hagnats or even Kareks and even without checking i can say with confidence that at least half those that vouched are no longer active.... Now i personally '''Would''' vouch for them all but my point is that they were not voted in by the current community and the claims that they are trusted users wear very thin in light of the fact that they do not seem willing to trust the communities opinion on pretty much any issue!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The sysop team doesn't have to represent the view of a large majority of players, it only has to represent the view of the wiki community. Whenever I play a browser game I don't always sign up to their forums/wiki/whatever they have. A large portion of users probably won't bother contributing to the wiki because so many other users already are. If I was to ask you, "what needs contributing to on the wiki?", I'm sure you probably won't have many answers. The only things of note are suggestions and suburb reports, and not everybody is interested in that (and the drama which comes with each of them). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:26/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::I have a few, if you want a list feel free to pester me some time.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 02:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree that the only bits of the wiki that interest most players are the Maps, suggestions and suburb reports (I include maps because i assumed you had forgotten them?) that said i do think that the system is set up to support the views of long time players (contributors) rather than the new players who are actually the lifeblood of the game. While obviously the wiki needs to pay some attention to long time editors like me,wan,cyberbob,ahlg,etc... i would think it would be far more important to promote the wiki to new uers. I still play (and i hope/assume that those named do too) and i would hope that everyone on the admin team does to but it has to be said that without change the game becomes dull and people leave. If the wiki and its admin team does not reflect the changing demographic of the game it is missing what is surely a fundemental point for its existence?--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I remembered the maps, but I did not include them because there is very little to nothing which a new user can contribute to (which is what I'm focusing on). I agree, we should encourage new users to join and contribute, however most of the other work is maintence which doesn't exactly draw the crowd. If you have an idea which would encourage new productive users to sign up then I'ld like to hear it. I'ld be more then happy to help flesh out any ideas you may have. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:50/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::::I think my wiki Urban Dead game could draw in some people to play. They could even make their own once I finish the template. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Autoconfirmed group ==<br />
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Hi Kevan. Just want to ask a quick question. We've had a couple of policies about setting up an autoconfirmed group recently and I thought it might be a good idea to check in with you about it. Depending on the result of [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Autoconfirmed Group Trial|this policy]] would you been willing to implement an autoconfirmed group on the wiki as a trial to see how we get on with it? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No problem. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks. =) -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Quick Questions ==<br />
Sorry to take up your time, but I'm just wandering what you think of the games on the Related Games page. (ie, Nexus War, Shartak, Outbreak, etc). Also on Shartak, Leaky Blocks (It's creator) said that you encouraged Shartak's developement and that you play shartak. Is that true?--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 15:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Shartak's the only spinoff I've played, and yes, Simon/Leaky is an old friend of mine. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Why no chainsaws ==<br />
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:''content moved to [[User_talk:Jakezing|Jakezing talk page]]''<br />
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== Updating the Wiki software, 2.0 ==<br />
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The wiki software, as it stands, is two years old (ish, in the coming month.) As well as the obvious bugfixes and minor changes that can't be gone into detail here, 1.13.3 of MediaWiki has some useful new features that we could use:<br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
*Image undeletion enabled by default<br />
*A prettier [[Special:Specialpages|list of special pages]] (compare to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages Wikipedia's])<br />
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There are heaps of other changes-you can look at the release notes linked [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/News here]. I know that updating the server will take some time, but it would be nice if you could add it to your busy schedule.<br />
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<sub>I stole some of that list from [[User:The General|The General]] above</sub><br />
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Would this increase information between the server and peers= server load increase? {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 12:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think so. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I can't see how it would, but I can't say for sure. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:It's on the to-do list. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Awesome, thanks.--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel -</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks Kevan. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What's your view on adding extensions to the wiki? I'm not talking anything specific here, just in general. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Xmas ==<br />
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Xmas is over, and there are clearly no more Xmas decorations or trees, but the update message was not changed, and there is still the option to hold onto Xmas decorations if found. Perhaps removing that option (and next year posting when Xmas is over) would be helpful? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 13:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Don't take away my Christmas trees... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Christmas trees have been a vehicle for meta-challenges and games when they do pop up. It's fun flavor even in the middle of the year. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool]] and the [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool II]] are a couple examples. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::In sounds like you guys think I am requesting trees be removed altogether. I am not. I mean, the announcement still exists on the main page about the trees and light being available, even though they no longer are, so I am suggesting cycling the announcement to something "current".--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow ==<br />
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Perhaps I have missed something, but did the livestock and industry prevent snowfall last winter? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Misconduct Case Feb 2009==<br />
A user has brought a case over on [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#The_Entire_Sysop_Team.2C_excluding_Kevan_and_.22Urbandead.22|the Administration: Misconduct page]] that indicts every member of the administration team except your personal account and the Urban Dead admin account also controlled by yourself. Due to the obvious problems with ruling on cases in which you are also a named party, none of the current administration team may rule on the case (that is if they conform to the community's policies). Would it be possible for you to quickly look over the case and either rule misconduct or not misconduct to prevent unnecessary fall out? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Pretty sure Kevan isn't going to buy into this shit fyi --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I think you're mistaking me for Read. Fact is, that case is going to sit there for a couple of weeks whilst you and he debate the finer points of whatever it is you discuss. If an involved sysop (as they all are) removes it then we're asking for drama. Kevan can spend five minutes and solve the whole thing for the community, even if he just states that he declines to get involved and rule, which will obviously mean that the sysops cannot be found guilty of misconduct and this will allow the case to be archived. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I may have to agree with Iscariot here. Getting Kevan to say something, anything, will be the only way to end the case without pissing off Read and causing him to file another misconduct case to whomever is the sysop responsible for breaking procedure and then causing a '''huge''' wave of drama, and we all know he's chomping at the bit for something truly substantial to hit the administration with.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 18:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The amount of drama someone causes is only as much as everyone else allows them to (I wasn't mistaking you for Read btw Iscariot; I wasn't intending to implicate you whatsoever). If nobody feeds the troll he will eventually starve to death. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::My opinions on Read, yourself, the sysop team and Santa Claus aren't involved here. The simple fact that allowing the precedent of an involved party to remove a case shouldn't be something we're striving for. Personally I'd rather have Kevan rule, and I think we all know which way. However provided that Kevan publicly responds in some way, even if that response is ''"I'm not ruling, I don't get involved"'', then we have a way to remove the case validly. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::kk --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Read was irrelevant, he wouldn't have continued it and Iscariot has no intentions here but to try and cause said drama. It's what he always does, jumping on something someone else made and perverting it for his own attempts at causing needless drama and faux rebellion to stroke his ego that the sysops who punish him for his actions aren't trusted by the community. The validity of the case was never relevant to his trying to stir shit, neither was the legitimacy of any action a sysop could take in response to it, to him it's all gonna be called abuse. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Not seeing any reason to get involved here; either the misconduct system is poorly worded, or it's being misinterpreted. You shouldn't be able to accuse all but one sysop of misconduct, and allow that one sysop to judge the rest. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::yase, justice have prevailed --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 23:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Massive Zerging in Dunell Hills ==<br />
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About three days ago a large number of new characters all called "TheDeadDie" (i.e., TheDeadDie1 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467702, TheDeadDie15 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467737, etc.) started appearing in Dunell Hills. The first the DHPD heard of it was this iWitness report.<br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-10-09_2000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_5-36_zergertown_a5d-400-1db.html<br />
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There are now, apparently, over 100 of these characters.<br />
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Obviously there is an outside possibility this is a large group of new players but, on the whole, it looks like zerging on a massive scale.<br />
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The DHPD are currently trying to find out more about the situation and deal with it. We thought we should give you a heads up, however, in case there was something obvious in the server logs that would provide definitive proof of zerging and allow swift action to be taken at your end. We understand that you normally prefer to keep out of zerging cases, but this looks pretty outrageous to us and we thought you should, at least, know about it. [[User:Louise|Louise]] 11:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Aye, [[HKL]] ran into this bunch as well and were pretty put-off. [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-11-09_0200hrs_PRIVATE/IN_5-36_Dead_Zerg_Rush__a51-c5d-8a0.html Another iWitness] with even more of them crowded in. Profile search for [http://profiles.urbandead.net/index.php?name=TheDeadDie* TheDeadDie*] shows 102 of them at the moment. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::zergs like that are usually a flash in the pan. 10 bucks says they all idle out before level 3--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 15:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible big ass Zerg in Yagoton ==<br />
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Ok: We have ALOT of Fing lvl 1 free runnerfs hiding in St. Swithuns (which i am guessing you know is a revive point), its caded thanks to the idiots trying ot take over: and I'm guessing this mass colection of lvl 1 free runners (they all have free running only) are bots? They all joined around the exact same time as well.<br />
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*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471315<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471341<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471355<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471480<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471498<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471519<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=163604<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471501<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471358<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471347.<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471324<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471331<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471350<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471366<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471492<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471504<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471367<br />
:Those are the links, srry bout stretching but i forget which one tabs it into a Number.<br />
::Heres a picture of them all in one area. http://i43.tinypic.com/2lwr7k1.jpg<br />
:::Srry bout the mess this is making on the talk.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Take the list to resensitized, that's about all that you can do. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 05:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::One question about that picture. Where'd you get a version of UDToolbar that works with the latest version of Firefox? --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 08:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I just downloaded one? What's different about it? Also theres even more zergs now.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 13:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Jake, unlike how some folks would be I'll be nice here...Kev doesn't do anything about Zergs from info received on the wiki. as a matter of fact Kevan doesn't do a whole lot unless there was a significant amount of community input via the suggestions page and even then it is at his leisure. The Zerg issue is pretty much handled by other folks on the resens list and even then its pretty catch as catch can. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 19:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::No wonder UD fail so hard.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::As many have said before, if you don't like it, then leave. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I think he has sadism issues, as we try and try to get him to leave, but he always keeps coming back for moar abuse. It's sad really.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::You can tell me to go but that doesnt give you the power to make it happen.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I'm not telling you to leave, but it would probably be a good decision if you think UD fails. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 15:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::That's masochism, not sadism. --{{User:William Told/Sig}} 01:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Random Request ==<br />
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Next time you create a new city, any chance of bringing back the junkyard and wirecutters combo? Cheers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:+1. I have to admit to being bitterly disappointed to find open junkyards in Monroeville. :'( {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==TOU/S==<br />
Do we have a Terms of use/service page? I've been looking for a while, and I don't seem to see one. It'd be nice if we did, because then we'd know things that are expressly forbidden due to hosting issues and the like.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:If you cannot find it: it does not exist.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 22:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Oh piss off. No one is fooled by your act, so please just fuck off. Kevan? Do we have a list of things that are forbidden due to country laws, hosting issues, etc. or not (Not necessarily meaning it's available on this site, but one that you know about that pertains to the wiki)? I mean, yeah there are a few "duh" sort of ones, like no kiddie porn and stuff, but others I have no idea about. Any help?--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.com This site] (domain tools,) says that [http://www.as29550.net/ this] is his ISP, server located in England. The ISP has an "Abuse of TOS" email address, so presumably they have a TOS, although I can't find it. I have no idea about English law. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::From time on another, more combative, site I have a layman's understanding of British Law as it applies to defamation, slander, libel and the nature of physical threats and illegal actions that appertain to the settlement of the aforementioned. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::A brief education by the University of Google finds no such laws relating to death threats, but I would imagine that such a law would be buried deep in things like criminal codes. If it comes to it, I'll ask one of my teachers about the (Australian) legal system when it comes to these things, or one of my parents (both lawyers.) That said, that's ''Australian'' law, but our law is pretty similar to that of the UK. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Back in the Day Xoid and I had to do some research on the TOS because of a user abusing in serious violation of them. However I've gone looking and haven't been able to find the references anywhere still on the Wiki. It was probably on a talk page of some article that was deleted in an edit without being archived. The primary gist of it was this... any form of intimidation that went beyond a certain level of namecalling and usual wiki BS was a violation, ESPECIALLY if it included "real world"<sup>tm</sup> threats of harm or violence. Also included were any situation where hosted domains were used to damage the effectiveness of another website or host (as an example you couldn't use any part of the host to launch a d.o.s. attack on another domain. Not that this was really possible by anyone but Kevan. Also iirc the Wiki and the Game were on different hosts at teh time but I'm pretty sure that has changed since then. I don't know. I was never the techno-savant of the group and my memory is hazy. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Thanks Conn, that's a little bit of what I'm looking for. Just waiting for a response from the big man about all this now.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I also thought we had some basic terms on the wiki somewhere, but maybe we don't. The Poundhost terms of service are [http://www.poundhost.com/tos/ here]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Thank you, I'll start working on a page for the wiki.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 14:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|Semi-protection]] ==<br />
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...Was approved. I think all you have to do is change the autoconfirmed group to 1 week and 25 edits. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Going to update the config, it turns out that [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAutoConfirmCount $wgAutoConfirmCount] needs a later version of MediaWiki; this will either have to wait for a MediaWiki upgrade, or be reproposed without the edit count. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::We'll wait for the MediaWiki upgrade, there's no hurry. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wiki_Questions#Time_Travel?|Time Travel]] ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, we've just had a very weird thing happening with the edit histories. Where you trying to do something or was it just a bug? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No, I wasn't around at the time, I've no idea what that was about. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Okay, thanks. I'll do some poking at the Mediawiki help files if I have time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ever gonna update the game? ==<br />
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a lot of people are quitting the game.it's because you won't update the game. you need to push for 2-3 updates per month. i'm telling you so your game does not suffer. please update the game for the people's sake--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:How many games do you run, Yokotory? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Well I do run track and Cross-country. I ski on the weekends.Do you run at any games or track meets?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, rowing and weights are my sporting loves. The difference is that I'm not telling you how to run or ski, whilst you are trying to tell Kevan how to run a game which is heading toward four years of lifespan without once having had your help. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::I refuse to believe that Jerrel wasn't being a smartarse there. The concept of him actually taking your words in that way for real is just too retarded for words. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 06:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::He was kidding wasn't he?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I believe they call it intentional misinterpretation, an example of me employing that very device is on either Boxys or kareks talk page, something to do with alim and hagnat...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I was faced with the choice of believing that he's either cripplingly unfunny or a functionally illiterate retard. The evidence all pointed to 'Retard' so I went with that and answered as though serious.--[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 12:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
No, I'm telling him that his game is going into despair, whilist he is doing nothing about it.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And you're also telling him how to 'fix' it, which amounts to exactly what I said. Care to back up your claims? How far have numbers fallen in the last six months? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I really don't think a 'lack' of updates is the reason for dropping numbers. I'm not 100% sure the balance of some of the more recent updates is quite right but that isn't my call. But the game doesn't need a barrage of updates coming out every other month. The slow progression of the game over time gives it longer life than having quick fix after quick fix to keep people with low attention spans happy.--[[User:DI Marc Sweeny|DI Sweeny]] 01:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The numbers seems to have stagnated, actually. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
I'd like to thank you Kevan for taking your sweet time in updating the game. It's making it a little less full of people entirely incapable of self-motivation, thus making it more fun. Kudos to you sir. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Acctully Kevan is my idol. kevan is a good person for what he's doon.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 02:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Isn't this the dude who nominated himself for sysop after 200 edits? Yoko, do you think you could whip us up a cross-country and/or track MMORPG? Because that would be ''awesome''. Throw in some chainsaws, too, and maybe some crucifixes that shoot laser beams. You would totally show up Kevan! --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 04:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Okay, Now you all think I'm a retard. Sorry for pointing out what everyone else could not see. Sorry for pointing out the obvious. Most people in this game, (the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats, pardon me)would agree with me a think this game needs a freakin update. I take cybertonics and Coding as a special class at GU and I know it's hard to code, I've tryed it. But Kevan IS A TRAINED SPECIALIST. He could redo this entire game in a half hour if he wanted too. sooooo, whays a 1 UPDATE PER MONTH? is that so hard to ask?????<br />
add a new weopon, new builing, something. Please.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Last year kevan gave us 18 updates including 2 new cities. Give him a rest. {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And most all of them had someone complaining about the game being made harder or more complicated. A few legitimately, most because it screwed with their status quo. I have absolutely no clue why he would want to take his time between updates.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Making an update is a '''lot''' more than just coding it. The balance needs to be thought of thoroughly and it needs to be tested. These things take time. Sure, Kevan could probably push out ''one update a week'' if he wanted to and wasn't lazy, but those would be unbalanced and buggy updates. Unbalanced and buggy updates are more likely to drive people away than a lack of updates. The game simply doesn't need to change every month, not even every couple of months. If you find the game boring, ''go and do something interesting and different yourself''. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 09:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. Lots of rushed, unbalanced updates would simply destroy the game (and it has nearly [[On Strike|got to that point]] before.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Finally someone who agrees with me!!! Why drag out updates?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 21:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:"the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats" - Just so you know, I'm neither. Carry on. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm actually the only sysop to comment in this conversation - and I did it [[Talk:Main_Page#Out_of_date.3F|here]] (with the exception of Karek, who'll be [[A/DM|demoted soon.]]) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I find myself in the middle of this arguement, in terms of the two sides. On the one hand, I don't want Kevan to break the game balance every week, fix it and then break it in a different way the next week, but on the other I feel that an update is about due.<br />
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Besides, I think an update every two months or so isn't much of an ask, even if its just adding an item from the PR suggestions. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Can we please close this topic? Everyone wants to say something about Jerrel's ridiculous statement but I don't think it's worth the spam that it's leaving on Kevan's page. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Im sure on the 1st of april there will be an update. usually is! {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
Hey!!!! Everyone that wants an update should get together and go on strike!!!!!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop talking now. A strike for something as lame-assed as this is nothing short of pitiful. You are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
[[Image:Update.JPG]] because i had already done this and it seems a shame to waste such a half assed effort. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with both sides of this. I believe we need updates BIG TIME, but I also believe Jerrel has no right blaming Kevan. He's probably a busy man. As for a strike: No. Plain and simple. Now, can we stop spamming Kevan's pages please? Kthzbye. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::What do we so badly need an update for? The game is well balanced and has a fairly complex and robust play. More fiddly little detail skills likely won't improve that play any, and won't draw in / hold onto more players. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 06:40, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
Why won't Kevan Reply back to this?<br />
<br>I know i was being kind of offensive to you Kevan, so sorry.<br />
<br> But would you mind telling me WHY you won't update the game?<br />
I mean, you gave us two new cities last year!<br />
<br> and i appriciate it, but the game hasn't been updated since 2008!<br />
so, if you don't mind, i would really like to hear what you have to say.<br />
<br> (And please don't flip out on me, even though I have been a jerk)<br />
<br> And i'm also apologizing for being a jerk too.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 01:33, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Making new cities brings in motherfuckin' cash money. Adding skills and what have you doesn't. Comprende? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:28, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:We had an update just 15 days ago! --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 08:55, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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WE DID NOT! LOOK AT THE FREAKING UD START PAGE! NO UPDATE-PREHENDA?----[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 04:18, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Erm, the [[April Fool's]] Day update, the one that happens every year? My god you're dense. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:01, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
<nowiki>*facepalms*</nowiki><br />
<br>Sorry kevan, i usually get all my updates from the game.<br />
<br>nothing unusual happened to me on april 1st though.<br />
<br>i think i'm losing myself.<br />
<br>I AUTHERIZE TOPIC SELF-DESTRUCTION!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 15:52, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:In a word: Fail. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:59, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::He spams Kevan's talk page with so much crap I want to take him to VB... {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:36, 19 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:::I still say kevan should get some people to help him run the game, its rather fun and large for one person ot have to run alone. Oh and I'm not saying me, no I'd abuse it by banning a 4rth of the game and making revives harder again.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 23:58, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Donated Characters == <br />
Any chance that the "This character is no longer affected by the IP limit." banner that appears on your profile if you have donated $5 could be shown to everyone that visits the profile, not just the owner of the profile.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:exhibitionist. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And proud.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I think there's people who would not want that. Maybe if it was an option you could allow / turn off via settingas? {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:39, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I'd have it say "This character has been donated for.", but really, it's basically just showing off – link to your wiki page from your profile and [[Template:Donated|show off there]]. Oh, and I think you meant to post this in [[Developing Suggestions]]. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 08:12, 20 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I would totally come back to just pk people who have donated.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 04:37, 26 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::You've left?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 16:17, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Standing Zombies ==<br />
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Kevan, I can't find the topic from last time around, but the borehamwood stats. Standing zombies means literally that doesn't it. Active zombies with greater than 0 hit points? Not just active zombie characters? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:52, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Question about the last Update ==<br />
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"Survivors are once again looting the long-abandoned seasonal storerooms of the city's shopping malls, to find lights and trees for their safehouses." I'm assuming Christmas season in Malton is really long then, just wondering what kind of in game explanation we could use, --[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:01, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:"The snow has subsided and survivors are ready to feel bad about themselves again". Not that an explanation matters. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 03:11, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
::No, it's just5 that it seems awkward ot explain why we are still getting christmas trees in the middle of spring thats all: and we might wanna get a explanation, or kevan could take them out in a mini-update.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 2 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Where to suggest technical issues? ==<br />
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I have gathered [[User:Tumu/GameTech|a list of technical issues]] which might need a look (as they have been unfixed since 2007), but they don't exactly fit the bug reports page either (not user visible/annoying issues). Would this be more appropriate place to get a review for them? --[[User:Tumu|Tumu]] 09:26, 25 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:They do seem unlike those that go to [[Bug Reports]], but I think the best place ''would'' be to take them there. I'm only suggesting that however because no one else has given you any direction, and I apoligise for that. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:57, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Noted; there do seem to be a few weird oversights in there. Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:14, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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::Speaking of weird things, is it intentional for Flesh Rotters to get the benefits while alive? I'd have thought that since they were alive, their flesh wasn't rotting, so they wouldn't get the Flak+Body Building effects while alive. I'd like to know, because I'm going to make a suggestion to have it that way if its current effect is intended. if it's not intended, then this can be moved to Bug Reports. Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:41, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Bub's in danger! ==<br />
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Just so you know, a page dedicated to your character [[Bub]] is up for deletion. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:51, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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Yeah kevan please come and save that great page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:20, 29 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== A few things ==<br />
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Firstly, about that MediaWiki upgrade. Sorry if I'm pestering you, it's just that it would be quite useful (an upgrade to Checkuser would be nice as well, I've seen screenshots of a later version and it looks like it streamlines the process a little.)<br />
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Secondly, a user asked me the other day (a few weeks ago) about a problem he was having in my chatbox:<br />
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{{Quote|VI|Link, I need haaaaalp! I'm trying to make a shoutbox, here. The problem: when I, to get rid of the horizontal scrollbar, use "overflo*w:auto" instead of "overflow:scroll" the wiki's spam filter won't let me use that code. I don't know if you can edit the spamfilter (I'm wiki illiterate), but do you know how I can fix this? Thanks a ton. VI 22:05, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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I confirmed it myself, and wrote<br />
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{{Quote|Linkthewindow|Hmm... that's really odd. I can't edit the spam filter (at least not what I know of,) but I need to as Kevan about something {*cough*MediaWiki upgrade*cough*) so I'll ask him then. For future reference, I'll need this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features page]. Linkthewindow Talk 22:29, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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Finally, and on a pedantic note, would it be okay if you could turn the Guides namespace into a proper one? So [[Talk:Guides:Shelter]] is rendered as Guides talk:Shelter. As far as I know, there are a few in the Guide: namespace too, so we'll have some moving to do if this is done (sysops, of course.)<br />
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Thanks for your time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:58, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:I second this nudge.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:03, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:"over<nowiki></nowiki>flow:auto" is a standard spambot trick for hiding all their links in a 1px div, which I think we were having trouble with a few years ago. The filtering is possibly hardcoded somewhere.<br />
:If there's general support for another namespace, point me at the discussion and I'll add it.<br />
:Updating MediaWiki is on the list, but below "update the actual game" at the moment. I'll fit it in when I can. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:12, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Okay, then thanks. It's not a big deal about the spam filter, I'll start a discussion at [[Talk:Guides]] (although I can't see it being a big deal) and thanks about the upgrade. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:15, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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Kevan will doo it! Also, happy very belated birthday (13 May?) assuming your Amazon wishlist is correct!<tt>:D</tt> --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:24, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Oh, and don't [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|forget about this]] <tt>;)</tt>. And happy belated birthday! Only one month late. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:24, 4 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Suggesting Suggestions Change ==<br />
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I want your opinion on a proposed change I have to the Suggestions Layout. I’d think it would be more efficient to have a normal suggestions area, a clothing suggestions area, and a humorous suggestions area, all with links listed one after the other on the main voting page. I also see the humorous suggestions layout is a bit confusing, and I would recommend splitting it into 2 parts, the funny and the non-funny, then splitting it into the many categories (areas of effect) under each heading. I’d also ask if the humorous suggestions voting process would become something similar to the normal process, with each suggestion open for 2 weeks, but no SPAM votes (just FUNNY or NOT FUNNY). Would this be a viable option? I’d think the layout changes should at least make it easier to find and view them all.<br />
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I would also like to know if there’s a process for suggesting that certain stuff be added to the Frequently Suggested section on the main voting area. There seem to be some common ones I’d like to have added to the list.<br />
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I also have a question about the normal voting process that only you can answer. Does SPAM=STRONG KILL? I see it’s still a common issue today, and it’s still debated if you can vote SPAM for a strong kill, or only vote SPAM if a suggestion is game-breaking or horribly unnecessary. Also, could you check the voting guidelines section and make sure it matches whatever your decision is? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:46, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:In too many years of wasted time here I don't recal Kevan ever directly commenting on suggestions (or indeed much of anything else) so I doubt he is going to start now. Personally I wouldn't worry about where a suggestion heads just so long as its not unjustly '''SPAMMED''' and that's pretty rare. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:51, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::He does things every once in a while, when it actually requires his attention. Normally his hands off approach works pretty well because we manage to handle everyhting.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:58, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Okay, well, what are your takes on this then?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 18:11, 23 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Huge Ruin bug could leave the whole of [[Borehamwood]] caded in less than a month. ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, <br />
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Wednesday night a member of my borehamwood survivor group did a very large suicide repair, when he logged himself back on, he found he had 50ap and the building was repaired.<br />
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Thursday night, I attempted my own suicide repair and yet again the same thing happened.<br />
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We've done a lot of suicide repairs and as such we know that these were the highest repairs we have attempted. And they both worked. To check our findings, we asked another survivor to repeat the experiment, to confirm our spadework was correct. <br />
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It was. Not only that, but this survivor was able to enact the repair, recade the building to ehb and then enact ANOTHER suicide repair, which left them BACK on 50ap. In fact the survivor managed to repeat this 6 times. With one character. In one day. Before the 300 IP for one character kicked in. <br />
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At this time 4 of us survivors know the exact technique, but at least 10 others are pretty close to working it out (AP levels etc). I reckon by sunday all 51 survivors will have worked it out.<br />
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As it stands the whole challenge of surviving borehamwood is moot. We can't do coma repairs on 99% of buildings without this happening, and Im not expecting zeds to hang around with this giant loophole. It also destroys the smugness us survivors have from surviving for 6 months. <br />
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All 4 survivors who do know the trick have currently stopped repairing buildings within the range, but I can't control the whole population.<br />
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At the minute survivors could repair the whole of NE Borehamwood, Radlett or Elstree in a day, 1 survivor could reclaim the big brother house on their own, <br />
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Apologies for the lack of screenshots, but with permadeath as it is, we don't want to give away our position. <br />
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It seems to be a dupe of the following case on bug reports. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Bug_Reports#Massively_negative_AP_causes_AP_reset<br />
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Apologies for posting it here, but I felt the game breaking nature of this bug warrants the intrusion. Let me know if you need more details. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Thanks. Building repair has now been temporarily disabled in Borehamwood and Monroeville, while this is fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:46, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::When you say massive repair, do you mean it's bringing you to under -255 AP? I could think of some weird wrapping thing happening when the AP gets too negative and it tries to make it positive or something, capping at the 50 AP norm. 255's the magic number for how large a single byte can represent. It's may have something to do with what type of data Kevin's storing AP with - integer, double, float, etc. (whoo edit conflicted by Kevan) --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:49, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::The cutoff point (Now its banned) is -150ap Any suicide repair that takes you below this value creates the reset. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::::Very strange... -150 to 50 is a range of 200, nothing particularly significant. Then again, I have no idea how Kevan coded AP regen. Now the big repair costs have come back to bite in an ironic kind of way, eh? :P --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:53, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Its quite a wide range. Theres probably been only a handful of such building in Malton's history. Borehamwood has a whole cities worth. If it takes a while kev can we have an amnesty in the cities? Those pesky zeds are always chewing on our cades. I wouldn't mind but I've only got one life. :).--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:55, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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:This bug has now been fixed, and repairs have been enabled again in the other two cities. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:08, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Thanks Kevan! Swiftly done I must say. May all your future updates be bug free.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:10, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Twenty minutes... I'm hella impressed. Thanks for fixing this. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 17:18, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Wut? But half way up are the oldest posts, then they go up, then they go down... Thsi page is confusing ...--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Pointless [[Borehamwood]] request == <br />
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Can we have a public broadcasting system too? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:57, 3 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks for updating ==<br />
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Just wanted to say thanks for updating the game, I realize it's probably not high on your list of priorities. I'm sure everyone who plays appreciates it. --[[User:Mike411|Mike411]] 00:25, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
: Same here, Thanks Kev --[[User:Imthatguy|Imthatguy]] 04:41, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|This bug]] ==<br />
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As promised, I'm just giving you a heads up regarding [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|this display error]] that happens when UDToolbar interacts with the new update. We suspected it was a clash between the UDToolbar's manual HP colouriser and the new update colouriser, and Moonshine was able to go through some code to try and give you a hand. You may have already seen it, but hopefully what Moonshine and others have done can help you. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 14:27, 6 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Grammar Error==<br />
Just so you know, there's a grammatical error in the Fort Transmitter broadcast message:<br />
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''You broadcast [message] on 25.97 MHz, the using the fort's secure channel.''<br />
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It isn't going to break the game or anything, but it does make it look a little... 'sloppy'. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 21:54, 5 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:There is a page to report these [[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead|here]]. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<big><u><span style="color:DarkSlateGray">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkBlue ">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkSlateBlue">ℜ</span></u></big>]] 03:30, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:18, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Open Discussion/Borehamwood How Was It For You?]] ==<br />
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Community opinions on Borehamwood Collected in one place. Hope it helps with future projects. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:07, 13 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Something that might give you a laugh... ==<br />
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Here I was bored and tired so I wrote this, I thought it might be funny and I think you may find it even more so given it's nature, [[Developing_Suggestions#TUCOK_-BBHHN-_.28The_United_Churches_Of_Kevan.29_-Blessed_be_his_holy_name- (The United Churches Of Kevan) -Blessed be his holy name-]] -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 09:16, 24 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Upgrading the wiki again ==<br />
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It's about that time of year. The wiki could use an upgrade, among the various features mentioned many times in the past that upgrading to a more up to date mediawiki version would provide as of [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] there is now a NewUsers log, which would be invaluable for catching throw away and vandal alt accounts like [[User:Izumi]] and [[User:3pwv]] used to use along with actually making user efforts to be welcoming like [[Welcomenewbie]] accountable and possibly useful. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] also brought in the ability to view deleted user contributions(instead of just the current ones) for sysops, the ability to omit diffs after rollback, and a fix at least one particularly exploitable checkuser bug that would allow users to screw with the ability for sysops to search the logs.<br /><br />I'd mention some of the features in previous version updates but I'm sure by now you're pretty well aware of them as it's been brought up many times in the past. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14], though, would significantly increase the ability for sysops to do their jobs when dealing with actual page vandalism and adbot spam along with helping the wiki, in general, run more smoothly from day to day.<small>([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.15 1.15])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.13 1.13])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.12 1.12])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.11 1.11])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.10 1.10])</small>--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:40, 1 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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== FYI re: "satellite phone" ==<br />
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Hi. So I recently wrote a Greasemonkey script that adds a "satellite phone" to the game. It's a simple messaging system with a user interface that embeds itself into the game, by modifying the rendered page in the user's browser, as Greasemonkey does. The thing does resemble the in-game mobile phone quite a lot, by design. Here's [[DSS Satellite Phone|more info]].<br />
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This was discussed in Brainstock [http://s1.zetaboards.com/brainstock/topic/2220895/], and some people complained about it. It was said that this unbalances the game, "overpowers" a game item, bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages. This wasn't a general opinion--I certainly find it all a bit silly--but someone then suggested that what should be done would be reporting it to you, letting you decide if this extension is improper somehow.<br />
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I thought that was sensible, so I'm "reporting myself," in a way. Just posting it here as an FYI, so you are aware of this. Cheers. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 09:15, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:Sounds like the same kinda nonsense that would see forums done away with for everyone that isn't a survivor. That thread reads very much like the person who started it did so with that intent in mind. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:00, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:: Hey that was me! I started that thread, you can clearly see my name :-( , I just started it as someone mentioned it in game and I was wondering about peoples views on it thats all.---[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 06:35, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::karek i have ''no'' idea what you're talking about whatsoever.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:18, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::''"bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages"'', the whole thread cited is mostly a few people complaining because they don't like metagaming, not particularly even regarding the tool in question. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:19, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::That being said, email tends to get a better response rate/time from him depending on the title/content/sender. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:24, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Right, cheers Karek. Thing is, I'm not really expecting a response, and I'm not comfortable spamming his mailbox with this. I really do think this is all rather silly. I'm sure the game will survive my script long enough for him to read this at his convenience here. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 06:14, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::From the sounds of it, it's just a script that facilitates metagaming. Like using MSN, or as we do, IRC... except done in-game. There's nothing zerg-tastic about it, nor does it collect data in ways that might be perceived as unfair, like DEMON or UDBrain. There's no reason to worry about what some git on Brainstock said (and BS is chock full of gits...), don't sweat it --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:20, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::::Wonder what they say about us :*( --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 07:15, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::::They don't think about us, because they're not aware we exist. Most BSers really aren't too aware that there's a whole big world of UD players outside their little board. Well, ok, I think many are vaguely aware that zombies have this forum called bar-something-dot-something. And I think most of them are aware of the DEM subgroup called Red Rum; but this subgroup was created to give the appearance of in-game competition, to get around Malton's strong antitrust laws, so it basically counts as part of their self-enclosed milieu. Finally, many of them have used the wiki, but none of them will ever admit it, it's ''that'' taboo a subject. But other than that, to BSers, there is little other than BS. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:25, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Hello Kevan. No one pestering you on this page for over a month? Crazy. Just wondering if you were planning anything for [[Borehamwood]]'s big first birthday? Its only 2 days away after all........--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I know! Blow it up! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Nuke the Big Brother House! Finally, some reality TV worth watching. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Or halve the size of monroeville everyday. No one would suspect that! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::-Let alone notice it. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 02:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Kill anything and everything in Malton. That would be a TRUE surprise.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'd be interested to see if survivors could recover. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 05:29, 27 October 2009 (BST)<br />
::Of course we could! It would take about two weeks, but we could easily do it. If you wan;t ill explain on a talk page other than the big bosses. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Tommy guns. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Halloween update timestamps ==<br />
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Seem to be missing on the new kill messages [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/11-01-09_0100hrs_PRIVATE/IN_62-14__954-071-ba1.html example] also confirmed broken without any extensions/scripts {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 02:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I realise this may very well be a feature of the halloween event but with the changing of the kill messages the missing timestamps are a bit strange, just making sure you're aware {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 04:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, it's not just a lack of timestamps. I've noticed that all of the ones that lack timestamps are also for people that are not at my location. For instance, in [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Anubis_IV/urbandead/halloween_change_bug.png this screenshot], the ones with timestamps are for people actually at my location, while none of the ones without them were people at my location (there were more actions under those, but they all had timestamps and were for people at my location). It's also interesting that some of the groups of events that took place repeat themselves a few times, and that "to talk" showed up as a contact of mine, despite the fact that he isn't. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::<s>i'm guessing it's part of the halloween event thingy, i thought the implementation of the weapon name killings screwed up because there's no period or timestamp following but now i think about it it actually makes sense to neglect them if you're going to mass fake kill people... OHEY IS THAT SOMETHING SHINY OVER THERE *runs* {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 06:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
:::This doesn't seem to be like april fools where everything is just a joke but rather quite the serious bug, they're actual events happening elsewhere in the city {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 11:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Fixed. Looks like there may have been some minor echoes from kills elsewhere in the city. It was a bug, but consider it an eerie halloween event. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Could I have a clarification, please? This bug didn't create events but some simply appeared in a different location from where they actually occurred. Correct? --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 12:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it was a bug, I can't be 100% sure. Don't kill anyone over it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::Awww, man... Alright, then! *grins* Fair enough! --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 05:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Question about Malton ==<br />
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Is Malton considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_borough metropolitan borough] and a city similar to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester Manchester] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool Liverpool] or is it considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_county metropolitan county] with each suburb being a metropolitan borough? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leave it to Akule to bring up a question like that. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I always thought of it as a city state. Like, I don't know, Monaco or something. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The same wiki that gives you the examples also gives the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malton,_North_Yorkshire answer]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::...yes, but I didn't think the fictional city of Malton was actually the real city of Malton. You know, based on the fact it is nothing [http://www.ryedale.co.uk/ryedale/malton/malton.html like it]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, there has been hints that it was based in England, but I was just curious to know how much of it was based on being located in England. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::You've never thought to know more about Malton? ;) --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::D'eh...MAYBE?!?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Borehamwood throws up even more questions, as being based on dead set IT IS based in england. Borehamwood has no gun stores in its shopping centres, and only 2 railway stations and supermarkets, so it would appear Malton IS somewhere different. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Strike time==<br />
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I am hearby requesting a striking of a ban from my vandal record as i have reached the requirements as per policy. I will be placing this request on an assortment of your peers talk pages so as to insure that this time, my striking isn't mysteriously postponed so as to further tarnish my record despite no wrong doing on my part. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 15:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Update-ah==<br />
So, what's the word on the updates being done to the wiki? Just making sure you don't forget ;) --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 18:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass >:| {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Are you in support of the Copenhagen Summit?==<br />
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Bascially I'm asking if we're having snow this year. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It's on its way. And I'm fairly comfortable with the carbon footprint of a zombie apocalypse. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers. I was wondered that the server itself was snowbound, swindon being as cold as it is. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Just realised how badly this might screw perma death survivors. Hmm. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Hmm. How long is '''temporary''' Kevan? How many hours do they take to fade? Also some of the fields in permadeath cities don't look that snowy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:17, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I can confirm this. Only one of the field colours has turned white.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's random, but averages to six hours. Fields should be fixed now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::The fields are fixed.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Any chance of bloody snow for outdoor deaths? --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 02:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::it exists check it out [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/12-22-09_2100hrs_PRIVATE/OUT_15-78__210-11a-044.html] "thick snow splashed with blood" "Blood <br />
soaks into the snow." --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 02:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== urbandead.org ==<br />
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I presume you have probably seen this but it looks like a phishing site for peoples log in, just thought I inform you of it incase you want to take action.--[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 01:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
: If you check out the "revive que" there are [[MoB]] members as well as this gentlemen [[User:GasCandle]] who is banned from editing the wiki. I didn't dig much further into the "revive list" once I saw that gentlemen. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I looked a little further and the /whois looks made up http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.org which is why a few people have mentioned it might be a scam. --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 02:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::The person who created the suspicious website has changed it. If you want to see screenshots from before it was changed, or see his explanation, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Ripf22|the A/VB case]]. --{{User:Jasonjason/sig}} 22:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Spawning]]==<br />
Just finished writing an article on it. I have a question that I can't really find out from spadework. If there were no Necrotech's in Malton below Heavily Barricaded, where would new Necrotech Assistant's spawn?<br />
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Also, UD is still only copyrighted until 2009 and I discovered a grammatical error I posted on the relevant page. Thanks. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Typos fixed. Under the current code, NecroTech staff would just start on the streets somewhere. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 08:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers fearless leader. I wish you well with the April 1st update. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 08:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hey, lazybones! ==<br />
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When the fuck are you going to get around to fixing the Goddamn game? Love 'n' kisses --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 08:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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While you're at it, try to get urbandead popular again, the number of active characters is starting to drop below 20000, maybe it's time for some advertising, eh? --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Urban Dead might be popular if it wasn't such a broken game! What with the radical, nigh-unplayable imbalance that makes it utterly pointless to play a zombie. Oh, and that worthlessness carrying over to making it such a breeze to play a survivor. I mean there's absolutely no point in being a survivor when you can just stroll around the city without risking your neck. I mean even a large, dedicated horde of zombies (of which the game has, like, ''two'') can't hold back one tenth their number in survivors.<br />
:For a zombie apocalypse game, there are fuck all zombies and there is fuck all apocalypse. The only way anyone really has fun is either griefing or sitting around roleplaying all day. And who the fuck can grief properly when the game is a buggy, unfinished pile of shit that makes it literally impossible for one of the sides to win? Not to mention that if all you're doing in game is roleplaying, what's to stop you from just doing it on a forum? Oh wait, nothing whatsoever, which is why the fucking unofficial forums for this game have more action than the game itself.<br />
:Urban Dead is broken, Kevan shows no interest in even ''looking into'' the billions of problems it has, so you're better off closing your browser and playing Left 4 Dead or something. Y'know, that's the zombie apocalypse game where the survivors face a credible threat that can't simply be trounced by locking a door and pushing a vending machine in front of it. '''FIX THE FUCKING GAME.''' --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:38, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Have you chaps considered that you're horrifically ungrateful for a ''free'' game that's meant to be a 5 minute distraction? --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Some of us have actually given money to this game, by the way. It's not unheard of that people do pay for things online. If he removes the DONATE button then maybe we won't "have the right" to complain anymore, but until then I and others are paying customers wanting some damned customer service. But you keep that smug attitude because I'm sure it's helping you go far in life!--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not ungrateful, but I'd like to continue to play urbandead which I won't be able to do if the numbers of players keep dropping forcing Kevan to eventually pull the plug. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Well this "chap" thinks that if you're going to release something for public consumption, it shouldn't '''suck'''. The fact remains that the game is unbalanced, which makes it unfun. If, say, World of Warcraft made it so that the Horde had 1/10th the hit rate of the Alliance, Blizzard would be fucking crucified. Free or not, lousy design is lousy design. I'm not saying this out of ''entitlement'' or anything retarded like that, I am saying it as someone who wants to play the game without being gimped to fuck just because I want to be a zombie instead of a survivor. Of course, the alternative is for me (and the thousands of others who feel this way) to stop playing a game that is basically designed at the very basest level to screw us over. Then, WHOOPS! Goodbye donations and ad revenue! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 23:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I actually think that what 'ruined' the game (at least balance wise) was zombies... The very fact that they sucked to play forced people to either leave or organize, net result mega hordes that were basically unstoppable and forced buffs for survivors to give them a chance while making it even less rewarding to play a feral zed. To all intent and purpose this game has more sides than it was ever designed for. We have survivors and zombies but each of those are split into different play styles which the mechanics struggle to balance. Basically survivors are better at killing other survivors than zombies are and zombies often end up killing other zombies more than actual survivors. Hell, some survivors max out without even seeing a zombie and the game set-up makes it an unrewarding struggle to level a new character in a city full of veterans. At the end of the day I think this game needs to evolve before it dies.... New (short lifespan) cities are probably the best way forwards in my opinion because the early days with their actual struggle to survive against 'equals' are great fun, the sense of discovery of a new place also really adds spice too. But hey, too many people seem attached to their maxed characters that they hardly ever play anymore to even contemplate such a thing! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I think most of us will agree that ''something'' needs to be done, which is exactly what isn't happening or at least it seems that way. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Maybe fixing the '''ABYSMAL''' hit rates for zombies might help. I mean, ''supposedly'' I have a 30% chance of hitting with a bite attack against a given target for 1 AP. Now, I can easily spend (and have spent) 15 AP and only hit on that last, 15th attempt. What are the chances of this happening? Mathematically, you say it was (3/10)^15, or a 0.000001% chance. That isn't "bad luck", that goes beyond "bad luck" and into the realms of "your coding is so shitty if I saw it I would try to flush". There is actually more chance of me rolling the same number 10 times in a row on a regular six-sided die than there is of me missing that many attacks. But it happens, it happens frequently, and it's one of the billion reasons why this game needs a severe overhaul, and/or someone competent working on it. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 02:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::No one cares about your opinion. But is that why you've resorted to spamming Kevan rather than stick to your own 'zombie improvements' in your userspace; you realise no one cares anymore? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 02:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
Katthew actually makes some damn good points rather than resorting to ad hominem. [[Groove Theory]] would not be possible with a properly implemented RNG, but [[Bug Reports#Groove Theory is working again|oh, whoops]]! Also, Honestmistake, what game are ''you'' playing? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 10:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:These days? Mostly Bobwars (wigbl.com)... What exactly is it you don't agree with in my post though? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Sadly, I kinda agree with Honest, feral zombies have it extremely hard these days. They need to follow hordes around or just lay around and wait for destruction in their suburbs. Once the horde is gone though, their goes the bulk of your food. Its almost beneficial nowadays to be a killer or a survivor and thats it (assuming your not in a horde). --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 15:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Or just sit tight. Even a modest number of zeds can keep most buildings ruined. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I demand that the game be "fixed" so that those who can't get laid will have something to do before and after they masturbate! HELP THEM, KEVAN! You're their only hope... --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 17:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Well looky, a whole cluster fuck load of whining.<br />
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Want more people to play? Go and fucking recruit them yourselves. Don't ask Kevan to fork out even more from his own pocket so that your enjoyment of this free game is improved. You spend the money. You put the work in. Alternately you all could shut the fuck up.<br />
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Want some changes? The FAQ says quite clearly to put them through the suggestions system rather than whine here like a bunch of fucking fort dwellers. Want Kevan to build you your own city to your own ideas? He's done it before for distribution companies, just do the same thing they did. Pay the man. Kevan's a professional, pay him his hourly rate if you want something. You're entitled to shit for free. He's nice enough to continue to let the game be played for free, so let's say enough with the comparisons to the money gouging and spyware installing World of Warcrack. Ask the man nicely how much your own city would be, plus an hourly rate for any bugs that appear, plus a negotiated set figure of each major update. Then go have a bake sale, car wash or just start selling organs on the black market and give Kevan the money for the work you want him to do.<br />
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Put your money where your whining is. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Back when I was an admin and I moderated the Suggestions page with an '''IRON FIST''', it was still a worthless piece of shit. These days it is approximately fifty gajillion times more useless and shitty. Kevan doesn't read it any more than he reads any other section of this wiki, not even just because he's lazy as sin, but also because they're not worth reading. Also, I've already dragged people into this game. Maybe you remember [[The Dead]]? You know, the 10,000-strong superhorde that practically ''wrecked the entire fucking game?'' All me, bitch. I got that shit ''going''. Because unlike you, I am one proactive motherfucker who doesn't sit around doing shit-all.<br />
:So don't you fucking talk to me about recruiting people to play this game, you measly-mouthed little cumstain. I brought in more than you could possibly imagine with that withered rectum you call your brain. But hardly any of those people stayed around. Do you know why? Because '''''THEY GOT TIRED OF PLAYING A BROKEN PIECE OF SHIT GAME WHERE THEIR CHOSEN SIDE WAS DELIBERATELY NERFED AND FUCKED OVER AT EVERY CONCEIVABLE TURN.''''' That is what killed The Dead, you scurrilous prick-hungry cockholster - the fact the game '''sucks'''. We weren't beaten by any survivor group, we never even considered any survivor group to be more than the metaphorical bug on the windshield. Ten thousand zombies, motherfucker, and even with the ridiculously low hit rates, nonexistent RNG and inverse XP curve, we ruined your pathetic little world. If it hadn't been for all the flaws that UD has, driving away almost every single new player we drafted in, we'd have killed every last survivor in the city and turned it into a true zombie apocalypse.<br />
:So fuck you a million times up your gaping, cavernous asshole. I know what I'm talking about, and I know more about what ''you're'' talking about than you could ever hope to. Now sit the fuck down while the grown-ups have their chat, sweetie. We'll get you some crayons and glue, so you can cram them into your snotty orifices until you suffer fatal brain damage. Kiss kiss! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Awww, poor cutie, is it too much if someone disagrees with you? I see you missed the major point, given you're ''so'' proactive and have such a large group of minions, why haven't you rallied them to donate a sum of money so that you can pay Kevan to make the game that you believe is fair? It's a very simple question. Kevan works for money, as proven by Borehamwood and Monroeville, if you want a map with your 'improvements' incorporating then you have to provide the same incentive that two distribution companies already did. Shouldn't be hard, after all you are ''"one proactive motherfucker"''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::There are points on both sides, but Katthew wins for making me laugh more than Is's logic makes sense.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkTurquoise">Big</span>]][[User:Cyberbob240/Classifications|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> Cat</span>]] 08:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, what killed the Dead was all the whining survivors that couldn't handle a "zombie apocalypse" and needed the syringe find rate to be upped to almost 100%. But come on, Katthew, don't be a bitch. Little Issy's Mall Tour had what 300 zombies? Awwwww, that was the same number as the Central horde of the Dead. You know, back when it was winding down and most people wanted to be in the East or West coast Hordes. But, no, I'm sure he knows all about running big bad zombie hordes. I'd really like to know how much money The Dead generated for Kevan with ad revenue and people buying no IP limit. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Feeling left out DCC? Never mind, go create yourself a couple of new accounts to agree with yourself, that'll make you feel better. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Good gum, you're actually still whining. How clear does this have to be? '''Kevan doesn't owe you jackshit'''. It's a browser game that is '''free to play''' and pretty cool if you spend about 5-15 minutes on it. If you want a game that you can put all of your obsessive time into, then go ''buy'' one. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: As for the whole "I donated, so he '''owes''' me", the key is in the name; ''donation''. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Massively pointless question #95==<br />
The "Are you sure?" Messages received when you A) Attempt to buy brain rot, and B) Attempt to jump from a building. Do they count towards your IP hits? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm going to say yes to the first (as it reloads the map screen) and no to the second as it's on the skills screen. The IP hits total is only known to count on the map screen, not on skills, settings or profile screens. Unless Kevan says different. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::oh, and I demand another easter egg hunt. Perhaps with bunnies this time around. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:03, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If he gets a hunt for chocolate eggs I want a button that allows me to nail sanctimonious pricks to trees as it's a much older tradition for this time of year. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:19, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::''Iscariot makes sly comment about organised religion.'' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:08, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: I'd like to see zombies replaced with rabbits for a day. Stronger bite! EAR DAMAGE. Hop for 1AP --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Settling a bet==<br />
While you're here reading this, settle a bet for me, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARapture&diff=1683378&oldid=1683265 do you enjoy all the money that zergers provide you?] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:00, 30 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you're asking whether I give any leniency to players who've donated, when they've done something that would merit a character being disabled - no, I don't. Donation status doesn't factor into any of the alt-abuse or banning scripts. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:01, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::I think the players in question are working off the assumption that them having more characters means more views of the ads connected in the game and that equals more money for you. It wasn't meant to question your impartiality at all, just a question of economics when connected to the game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:35, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::No, this isn't a consideration when banning characters. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:08, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Game updates==<br />
I'm sure things are updated regularly, for maintance, ect.,.... things that wouldn't normally be reflected in the game updates. Just out of curiosity, what is the current status of the "Game Updates" though? I noticed there seems to be a lack of them here latly (not that it's a bad thing, or that I mind), it's just that I was curious as to your thoughts, and opinions on the subject.... -{{User:Poodle_of_doom/signiture}} 04:27, 7 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==April Fools?==<br />
A couple days before April Fools i was surfing the wiki and decided to look it up. The pranks there were hilarious! Especially the 2008/2009 ones. I couldn't wait to see what would come out next. But nothing happened and the wiki said you didn't do anything. Any specific reason? And yes i know Kevan is busy and yes i know we're thankful its a free game i'm just curious --{{User:Gt71/Sig}} 21:52, 27 April 2010<br />
:I was actually halfway through some other updates in late March, and decided against diverting any of that development time for an April Fool's joke. In the end, I didn't have time to put anything live - April's been busy, but I hope to get back to those main updates in the next week or so. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:37, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
::Excellent. Kevan, as you're here, with the perma death cities is it fair to assume all updates are carried over into all three citys? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:22, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Pretty much. If a mechanic would unduly unbalance remaining gameplay in the other cities I'd make them exempt from it, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:29, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hey Kevan==<br />
What's up? How are things in the real world? I haven't been around Urban Dead that often in the past few weeks, but it seems like little has changed... aside from the survivor/zombie ratio being the worst it's been in years, but that's besides the point. <br />
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On that note, would you happen to have an opinion on the "[[Escape]]" gathering in western Malton? <br />
Just thought I'd say hi, --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 07:36, 5 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Open Accounts==<br />
Currently, in Woodborne NT in Owsleybank, there are a few characters with names that make it blindingly obvious that they're open. Their names are [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1012934 mypasswordispassword], [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1743445 mypasswordispenis], and [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1367615 mypasswordishelpme]. Knowing your stance on open or communal accounts, I decided to bring them to your attention. --[[User:Shank Case|Shank Case]] 02:06, 25 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== June 1 ==<br />
It seems appropriate on this date of great expectation (Read that: ESCAPE) to reflect on a simple fact; I have taken many hours of pleasurable distraction from your game. I have enjoyed meeting people from around the world and the various schemes and factions they have created using your game as a springboard for their own creativity. While I live in New England, I have traveled to the other side of the globe and yet-I can honestly say I "know" more people around the world as a result of this little game then in all those thousands of miles of travel. So while I have "contributed" it would seem at least good manners to say thank you for what you have done. I have only been playing for close to a year, and I hear many folks voicing opinions about the "state of the game". I just thought it might be appropriate to suggest that the reason they feel so strongly about it is because it is a flexible well designed system that has added millions of hours of gaming to people worldwide. So, thanks for your efforts and creativity.--[[User:Belisarius17|Belisarius17]] 04:50, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Nudge ==<br />
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That pre April updates taking its time now. The anticipation is killing me. There's some discussion going on about changes to Monroeville. Is it something you would consider, or as it was sponsored by others are your hands tied about what you can do with it? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:57, 26 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:Well UD's 5th birthday is coming up on July 3rd, we can cross our fingers and hope it's the update we've been waiting for. I hope it's another Easter Egg hunt, but with potatoes! -- [[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 07:27, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
::my paper hat is a bit battered. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:49, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Happy Birthday! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:51, 3 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Update me already.... :) -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:32, 9 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Radio Filter ==<br />
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Apparently, the radio filter also affects the military channel (25.96MHz). There any way to disable it on this station? {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 19:46, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:Teehee. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:48, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Muhahahahaha. Is it [[The Mycock Building|Mycock]] ? shits so [[ALiM]]. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::ps wtf is this radio filter and where did it come from? user made or kevan made? etc etc{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:39, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If you broadcast something vulgar, it will replace the word with *static*. It's been this way since the introduction of radios. The problem is that many buildings contain the word cock, and thus can't be broadcast. It's been brought up before, but they didn't mention the EMR channel. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 06:51, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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Epic design flaw fail! If only Kevan didn't have such a dirty mind! --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 11:17, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Offensive in-game names? ==<br />
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Are there any rules re what one can name their character? Are there not ''any'' limits? I recently ran into NIGGERHATER88 (yes, all capitalization - that's a copy/paste) and they're not a new character by any means - really? Really?! --[[User:Swingin' Sam|Swingin&#39; Sam]] 19:00, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you don't like someone, kill them. It shuts them up in real life, why wouldn't it work here? --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 19:07, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:fuck off it's a free game suck it the fuck off or go play wow. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:10, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Just for your information, 88 means HH — the Hitler salute. This guy is definitely a Neo-Nazi.<br />
::If Kevan isn't going to ban him, then killing him is the way to go. Just treat him like a [[Ignore List|text rapist]]. I'm against PKing in general, but such despicable people deserve it.<br />
::And the above poster could benefit from [[Civility]] as well. -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 22:04, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I just love you militant anti-nazi types. You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs ''is fascism itself''. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means ''allowing'' people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:12, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Or more likely, he's simply a troll. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, for the reasons Mis outlined. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:17, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::^ --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 00:18, 21 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::<3 mis. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:48, 22 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Deadline ==<br />
[[Image:Emot-argh.gif|100px]] --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:22, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:{{Quote|Buzz Lightyear|You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.}}<br />
:[[Big Bash 3|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-size: 80%">&hearts;</span>]] [[User:MoonShine|<span style="color:Black">'''Moonie'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:MoonShine|Talk]] | [[User:MoonShine/Testimonials|Testimonials]]</sup></small> 12:51, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::<span title="He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's pro-zombie, as it obviously needs to be.">I disagree. He can take as long as he wants. He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's fair and balanced.</span> --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 20:20, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Two Months later, Kevan responds by implementing [[20070314_Zombie_Rocket_Launchers|Zombie Bazookas]].--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 20:31, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Noes! Still, I don't think working with a deadline is a good idea if your not going to keep it. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:39, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::He must have had a problem coding [[Suggestion:20100616 Binocular Sniping|Binocular Sniping]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:40, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hate\Race based groups ==<br />
What are your views on Urban Dead being used by Hate groups ?<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Combat_18<br />
With the user using imagery in attempt to bring race into the game. Eg: <br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Cornholioo<br />
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I don't this is the actual RL group, just some pathetic little teen with anger issues. But still ? Should we look forward to the arrival of the KKK. Al Queda(?), Black Power, Mongrel Mob and the Care Bears ?<br />
--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 20:36, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Look just two headers above this. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::Why ? - this isn't about offensive names in-game as I email those to Kevan. Its about losers spewing their race\religion hate in the wiki thinking that they have the "right to". Didnt some of pH get banned for the 9\11 phased crap in game ?<br />
:From what I gathered of the YouTube video Cornholioo posted, it does look like Combat 18 is an actual, real life neo-Nazi group. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:15, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::They are. There was an old Louis Theroux doc on them. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:17, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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Shall I make the Red Hand Commando's\Real IRA\Al Qeada pages now then and target any British\US based group ?--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:04, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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{{Quote|Misanthropy|You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs is fascism itself. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means allowing people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose.}}<br />
{{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:05, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::Jesus its like talking to school children. This isn't real life, this isnt a political arena, people have no politcal rights here. This is a game and what Kevan says gos.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:10, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::Yes it is like talking to school children. In five years has anyone ever been banned for anything other than zerging? No. Not once. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:16, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::This isn't about ingame characters (Also back in 05 I beleive offensive names were also nuked) this is about the wiki policy on HateGroups. The wiki is different to ingame as a user can contact any group or individual in a split second? and post there hate imagery\text on any page. Yet there is no policy only the rustling of paper under the false pretence any user here actually has any rights at all.. --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:29, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::If it's about the wiki then you'll get nowhere, there's not a single sysop corrupt enough to ban users/groups based solely on their beliefs. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:32, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Well obviously thats why I'm posting here as this isn't real life so a users beliefs don't come into it, but what they post on wiki pages. Being non-white I take offense at that and the wiki administartion deosnt appear willing to act --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:44, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::We are not going to act. We're not going to ban groups based on content. [[Columbine Kids]], [[Nazi Party of Malton]], etc, etc, have not been banned, nor will this one. Yes it is offensive to people. So is the insult "faggot" but nothing has ever been done about its usage, nor about a million and one percieved wrongs. All you have to do is simply ignore the one sole user causing your offense, and he's liable to end up getting himself banned anyway, or he'll wander off due to not being given the attention he craves. Asking for the rules to be different for one group of users than for another is just wrong. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:49, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm asking for Kevans opmnion , not yours otherwise I would have posted on your talk page.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:51, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::As much as we'd all love to see less hate here,... you're arguing against one of the wiki janitors,... you know, the guys who take care of this place on Kevan's behalf... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:55, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::Yes I have seen the sterling work you perform on his behalf, however I dont think there is a difference between a) banning a user ouright (Where race hate has no place in a simple game(not real life)) and b)Or saying he id allowed his views but then have wiki administrators trolling the user with a view to entrapping him into a rant, thus leading him to his ban. I would have thought a janitors role was to be impartial and not provoke a user knowing how he will react--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 09:56, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::I agree with some of your sentiments and I understand your concern about some of the ops and their behaviour going against a role model status on the wiki- but situations like this only prove that a sysop- janitor as you say- is exactly that- a regular user with the buttons only given to those entrusted not to misuse it- it's been a long lost fact to this wiki that sysops are still regular users, and should behave as such, which is why using sysop status as a symbol of authority over another user is serious misconduct. Do I give Cornholioo a hard time? For sure, but that's not so I can just go to A/VB and force his banning- I abstain from conflict of interest situations such as his recent banning because I know that following through my pestering actions with bias as a mod is abuse. The ops aren't specifically here to be looked up to, although I still understand where you're coming from and I partially agree that Cornholioo is getting a hard time compared to any other user in terms of sysop bias. I do think it's a shame this perceived bias is being overlooked by the community just because of the user in question. I was surprised the amount of ops who said yes to his permaban, and it's worth noting that the sysops who pester and bait him the most were the ones who voted no to the perma. Typically a perma is only for someone who is literally just trying to break the wiki on a regular basis, not someone who gets baited weekly, and if that was your assessment of the vote I agree with you. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:30, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Invitation==<br />
{{RIAC Invitation}}<br><br />
You know you want to find a group and join.... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:57, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mediawiki Update (2) ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, just to let you know [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Update the Wiki Software (2)|this policy]] requesting a mediawiki has been passed. It asks if you can go up to 1.15.4 but the newest version (which came out while this went voting) is 1.16.0 and if you could find some time to upgrade that would be awesome. =) Thanks from us all. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:25, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Another note that image undeletion is enabled by default on the new software. Enabling image undeletion will increase disk usage (as "deleted" images won't really be deleted, but hidden,) so you might want to consider disabling it and keeping the status quo. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:12, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Virus Advertisement ==<br />
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Um... Kevan, I'm not sure if it's your concern, but one of the advertisements in the UD log-in screen is probably a hacking scam.<br />
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The advertisement, for a game called "Slum City Enforcer" lead to this link http://www.iwon.com/dl/index.jhtml?theme=slumcity2&partner=ZLxdm256&spu=true&sub_id=1579&clickid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000&ce_cid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000<br />
When I clicked on Play Now for the game, it tried to download a trojan, which my anti-virus caught. <br />
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I really hope you can block this bad ad from Urban Dead. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 03:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If I'm not mistaken, the UD site, and wiki, tend to make use of Google Ads,... which help generate profit for the site. That said, there is very little Kevan could probably do about it, aside from removing the ads themselves. That said,... that would be counter productive. I hope Kevan gets back to you though.... He probably knows more about it than what I do. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 04:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:: It is based on google advertisement, I used to get so much stuff for Umbrella's when I was in Umbrella and then UBCS. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 06:00, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::The last time we were hit with malicious ads (The urbandead.org phishing site bought out the wiki sidebar) an administrator contacted the ad agency and had them remove the ads. If you're sure that this is a malicious link, file a report with [http://www.google.com/ads/adwords/ Google Ads]. You've experienced what happened, so you're best suited to explain why this is a bad link.<br />
:::Also, I spammed refresh on one of the screens that displayed ads, and this site never came up. There's a chance it's already been reported and/or expired. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 06:57, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::[http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/iwon.com/summary/ McAfee seem to think it's okay], for a debatable value of "okay", but I've blocked it from my sites on the off-chance. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:34, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: Thank you Kevan! You're awesome. --[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 23:25, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==<s>Early August</s> Mid August.==<br />
That is all. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:30, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:The more you bug him, the more he'll put it off!!! You're tiring him! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:32, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::It takes 5AP to read his talk page, and a game update is like a 500AP suicide repair.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:33, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Brilliant man.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:45, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Pretty sure I just fucking jizzed -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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/thread -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Because I can't think of another place to put it ==<br />
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I am formally lodging a complaint that this game, the city of malton and this wiki, have a decidedly and unfair British/English/insert other term Bias in terms of names, time, spelling, ect.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:19, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If the fact that Kevan, the servers, and the town Malton are all based in england, counts as "unfair", then I guess you're right!!! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 01:22, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I have other ''Complaints'' as well but they are trivial or realistic mostly. And yes that is the exact problem, we should remedy this somehow.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:24, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::By buying Kevan new servers and a new house? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:25, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::: Nonsense we will just begin housing them with you Mis. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:27, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::We could house him in say, Australia.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:28, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::I dunno I like the idea of moving him to Ireland with me. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:30, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::: I don't know Mikalos has a point, lets send him and the servers to Australia, then when Grim throws his next coup he literally can just walk away with the hardware :D --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:34, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::Grim lives in Australia?--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:37, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::: [[User:DanceDanceRevolution/sandpit/quotepit#grim|This seems relevant]] --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:39, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Just as I learn this, I read that the current PM of Australia has suggested that, after the Queen dies, Australia should change into a republic. That might complicate things such as moving for unknown reasons.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:43, 18 August 2010 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=1761047User talk:Kevan2010-08-18T00:37:20Z<p>Mikalos209: /* Because I can't think of another place to put it */</p>
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==Three Minutes...==<br />
...Since anyone last commented you on here. Very upsetting. How's everything going with the game? Is everything good?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:What are you talking about? Scroll down to the bottom, haha. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:42, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:You're a funny one. Also, the page's confusing because Kevan doesn't state to put new stuff at the bottom or top, unfortunately, so people go with wherever their own preference is. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:59, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::I tend to look for a trend. Unfortunately, it turns out that the trend i followed only applied for the two posts i read.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 20:06, 13 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville Badges==<br />
Just so you know there are survivors (although very few) that are still roaming around in Monroeville. It would be nice if you could give some kind of emblematic badge of appreciation for the few that made it this far. I hope thats not asking too much, but for staying alive this long its quiet a feat to accomplish and deserves some kind of reward.<br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 02:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Monroeville Airlift==<br />
Hi Kevan,<br />
I am one of the few remaining survivors in Monroeville. With the Christmas update being implemented, I was curious to know if I set up a Christmas tree and some lights in a building for a few days, would a Helicopter come by and take my character to Malton? I don't want to do something in vain that could end up killing my character that has survived for ten months... <br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 06:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:hey Evildiehard, i'm The Last Unlucky Guy, we were in harvey's group together, i like that idea, can i get in on it too? Getting my character out of Monroeville would be great, i've grown too attached to him and if i got killed, especially after going solo, and survivng for this time, it would really suck :( --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==clothing suggestions==<br />
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Hi, long time no see. I've got another question about clothing. I see that you haven't implemented any new clothing for almost a year and the pages in question are receiving little to no traffic. Are you still in need of new Clothing ideas [[Clothes/Suggestions|Suggestions]] or can I close the page and move everything into their relevant archives?--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Will donate for awesome clothing ==<br />
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Basically, I was just wondering that if I donated $50AU or something, that maybe you might code in some blood-proof clothing, just for moi? I mean, it's a decent chunk of funds as all... --{{User:Medico/sig}} 01:30, 26 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Broken Wiki page ==<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1271116&oldid=1270525<br />
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The page I want is the last edit that I made for if, and I have no idea what went wrong. Someone directed me here... --<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span></font><sup> [[User_talk:Haliman111|T]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 00:44, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Iwitness typo==<br />
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Got really bored, and noticed there was a typo.<br />
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"What does it mean if a record is PUBLIC or PRIVATE?<br />
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Public records are just that- anybody can (if they take the time to look) find them and look at the information they contain. Private records are hidden in directories whose contents are not open to the public view, and the random number string appended to the end of the file name makes it impossible for anybody to find them through luck or accident. "Private" records are in fact so hard to locate that if you don't record their location, '''you'll never them again'''. That's OK when you just want to share a quick secret with some friends in a private chat room or secure forum, though- just copy the link and paste it somewhere you and you friends can find it, but others will not see it!<br />
User accounts do provide a way to retrieve all of the private records a user creates while logged into that account, so while still quite private, they are not going to vanish. User accounts also potentially allow for other levels of security; all of these are essentially private records that only certain people can see, or which do not display all of the details of the record in order to protect the privacy and safety of "innocent bystanders". <br />
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http://www.urbandead.info/iwitness/iwitness_FAQ.php#security<br />
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--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup></font> 15:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Check your talk page, {{usr|Haliman111}}. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:36, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Suicide Repair ==<br />
Most of the time it isn't easy to let a building reach the higher levels of decay and takes the effort of multiply zombie players. Lately as more buildings reach higher level of decay we see a raise in suicide repairs. Where survivors just spent all their AP and more to repair a long time ruined building and prepare to get eaten and revived. If suicide repairing was not what you where going for with the implemention of decay, please consider changes like: <br />
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a)Make it impossible to spent more AP on repairing than are left to this character, and probably setting a cap at 45AP as a maximum for decay. <br />
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or b)Repair only removes some part of the decay level and not all at once. Probably like tearing down barricades.<br />
--[[User:Experiment211|Experiment211]] 21:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I second option B. Option A could be exploited by people who wait until they have 2 or 3 AP left before running in to repair for 1 or 2 AP. B makes a lot of sense, I think. --[[User:Drugsanimudongs|Drugsanimudongs]] 17:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Errr... I read your suggestion wrong, Experiment211. Ignore my exploit theory! I still support B, though.<br />
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== Database error on the wiki ==<br />
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I have been getting the following message after making edits: <br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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Retrieved from "http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category_talk:Historical_Groups"<br />
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The edits seem to be working, however. This bug just took place twice on the Historical Groups Talk/Voting page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:13, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I just got one on the same page. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ditto. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:06, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Happened to me too today.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:57, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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Is also appearing when searching brain rot in the Suggestions and Talk Suggestions namespaces.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Erg. I've had some server trouble lately, I'll take a look at it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:21, 27 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yesterday it was still doing this... It's rare as of late, it seems-- it was happening with almost every edit for a bit there -- but it *did* happen yesterday again.... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
:::Just hit the same after searching for brain in images. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:21, 3 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I've repaired the database, it should be okay now. Let me know if any error messages still creep through, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==A Little Idea for Group Affiliations==<br />
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I've had an idea and would like to submit it for your consideration. Would it be possible to add in the option of a URL link added to a player's group affiliation, a la the current system with the 'Real Name' links? This would be very useful for players looking to join a group and for groups looking to recruit players, especially zombie groups who lack the ability to spray-paint places without death-culting. Whilst the RN link is used by some, myself included, for recruitment, more likely than not the majority will simply not bother clicking it after the first few times they have done that on a profile have taken them to YouTube songs or Rick-rolls. A link under the group affiliation would draw more desirable attention. <br />
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There are two ways in which I could see this working: The first is to have the group affiliation act in the same way as the Real Life link, with the player choosing the URL; the second would be to have the GA act as the list of confirmed groups on the stats page does: An automatic link to the wiki page of said confirmed group. My personal belief is that the latter would be the superior option, so as to avoid abuse via unsavoury links which would undermine trust in the system (this is of course going under the assumption that you have a system which makes the links appear automatically on the stats page, rather than having to add them all in yourself of course).<br />
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Just my thought for the early morning. <br />
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Regards. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 04:37, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Please make your suggestions here: [[:Category:Current Suggestions]]. Seriously Moloch, you have been around long enough to know how suggestions are handled. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:40, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::FWIW, my personal version of 'ActOnProfile' already modifies the group name to be a link to the wiki page for that group. Its pretty handy, even if just to find out the group has no page. A fancier GM script could easily determine if the page actually exists, and not make it a link if it doesn't, which would be nice. Server side code could likely do the same thing better. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:02, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Copyright question ==<br />
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after playing Urban dead I had an idea making it into a warcraft 3 map and before I release 1: may I release a map made by maps and the same idea of urban dead and with its name/s 2: are there any requires you want? for example I could advertise for the site every 5 mins(I can have the map do that for me)I have all ready given credit to Urban dead and if you want I can give direct credit to you also<small>—The preceding {{wikipedia|Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages|unsigned}} comment was added by [[User:Undeadpope|Undeadpope]] ([[User talk:Undeadpope|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Undeadpope|contribs]]) 23:42, 6 August 2008.</small><br />
:l2english.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:34, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:If it's clearly presented as an unofficial fan project, and isn't making any money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:51, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==IP hits and construction==<br />
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If I repair a badly damaged building (15ap etc.) Is that one IP hit or 15? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:32, 9 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'd be one. it's a measure of how many times you refresh the map page not ap. The only exception (as far as i'm aware) is syringe manufacture which is 20.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I thought i was getting more than my regular action. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:32, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Is that confirmed or just a guess?--<span style="cursor:crosshair">Kooks</span> 22:50, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::It's certainly incorrect. I repaired a building costing 134ap and still had more than enough IP hits to play my other characters.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville and headshot==<br />
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All the high level survivors I know (about 30) have been holding out for the return of perma-death headshot with the quarantine. I see the quarantine is back, but everything still says that headshot is not permanent. Is this the case? If you're not bringing it back then you might as well close down the server or at least tell us officially. Because as currently constituted only one side can win, and though we could probably prolong things indefinitely I fail to see the point.<br />
--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 03:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:I couldn't agree more with this post. Staying alive as a member of an organized group in Monroeville is possible but it takes a large amount of coordination and effort. I fail to see the "game" part of current Monroeville on the survivor side, something permanent headshot would bring to the table. If balance is an issue, I'm sure the zombie side would love to have non-curable Infectious Bite. --[[User:Calem|Calem]] 10:09, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::The evidence of the most recent opening of Monroeville suggests that it takes about 6 weeks for the city to go from totally survivor-dominated to totally destroyed with the survivors on the run and hiding in the wreckage. Therefore, it seems to me that the most fun and interesting way to do it would be to run Monroeville in cycles. Every five to six weeks or so switch the rules to give one side or the other the advantage. So, having now had an extened Zombie Friendly period of time, you allow the Survivors to have their turn for a month and a half with closed borders and "permanent" (until the next cycle) headshot. Then re-open it to new admissions with the usual "Zombies stand back up" rules for a month and a half, then close it again and so on and so forth. That way, both sides always have something to look forward to and there's always something to plan for. Frankly, this solution still favors the Zombies somewhat in that a dead Survivor still never gets a chance to come back to life, but its significantly more fair than the current situation where Survivors can never repair a building for more than a couple of days before getting buried under a tide of zombies. While that may accurately reflect the desperate conditions of the later Dead movies and some of the supporting fiction, its not much fun to be a Survivor under these circumstances, and this is a game. --[[User:jng2058|jng2058]] 12:54, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Agreed. Right now Monroeville is only a game of attrition with an inevitable (tedious) end. Maybe that's in keeping with Romero's cannon, but it puts survivors in an unwinnable position and leaves the zombies without enough challenge to stave off boredom. If the game's going to be left open, then since zombies are in the advantage right now (by 4:1) why not restore headshot and see what happens? [[User:CoopVancer|CoopVancer]] 21:34, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Actually Coop- if you think about it- zombie take over isn't necessary canon in the zombie/post-apoc genre nor Romero canon, but merely an outcome of the core theme. What destroys the humans isn't the zombies, which are fairly weak, but their failure to overcome their individual self interest and cooperate. Restoring headshot would work now consistent with the canon. Headshot is something survivors learn with experience. At present, most of the survivors, don't have the XP to have headshot. <br />
::::: So I guess this is down to a test of wills then? Of humanity? How long can humans survive before break down, succumb to anarchy, or make a mistake and get eaten? '''We will not.''' Survivors will not descend into madness. We will survive under these horrible conditions! '''We will be ever vigilant!''' ''(until an emergency comes up in real life, then we're pretty much zombie-food)'' [[User:Bystander|Bystander]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Bystander, I recommend the buddy system. Give someone in your group your PW so they can move you in an emergency.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 00:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your reading is correct that perma-headshot isn't returning.--[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Will there be any type of reward for x number of survivors remaining? ==<br />
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I'm just going to say the only reason to ask this is because what the point of trying to survive if the hoard of zombies will eventually take over all? All i want to know is there anything that actually would give hope to the survivors?<br />
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:Yeah, it would be nice if the last 100 survivors were transported to Malton with text like "NAME survived the second Monroeville quarantine." or "NAME was one of the last 100 to die in Monroeville." on their profile page. --[[User:BetterLuck|BetterLuck]] 23:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::I hope something happens that's good at least for survivors, now they outnumber us way too much now--[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 15:44, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Monroeville Characters ==<br />
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I was just wondering if you had any plans for allowing players to have their Monroeville character's account moved to Malton. I just want to know because I happen to really like my MV character from an RP perspective and would like to play as him in a city that isn't completely ruined and dead... or at least use his name for a character in Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 03:08, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:No - you can transfer donation flags, but not characters. If you want to roleplay the same character in Malton, just create a new account with a slightly different name. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
How do you transfer donation flags from a Monroeville character to a Malton one? Thanks. --[[User:Alias81|Alias81]] 13:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just go to your "settings" page and enter a name. I've now added this to the [http://urbandead.com/faq.html#monroedonate FAQ]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Don't fucking jimmy me, jules. ==<br />
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I swear that 84 minutes almost pushed me over the brink...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:34, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, it looks like the wiki backups are pushing the server over the brink as well, from sheer weight of data, to the point of actually overheating the machine. I'm going to have to do another archive-history purge, as it's been a long time since the last one. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::NOOOOOO! Not the memories! Take anything but the memories! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:30, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::What about all teh lulz?!?!?!?!? Jed! ACTIVATE LULZ PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. CODE RED!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:44, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::OMG DID YOU SAY <big><big><big><big><font color="red">CODE RED?!?!?!?!</font></big></big></big></big>--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Good man. You'll do me proud yet. btw Kevan we just bought UD shirts so hopefully that means you don't have to go ahead with this "purging" business...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:48, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yeah i've thrown my best days into UD and my best money too. The least you could do is buy more server space so that a purge need never happen again. What if we need to check back over to see who made an edit? Or find long lost lulz? I mean [[2 Cool]] have a variety of quality projects using that space. [[ALiM]], [[ELiM]], [[Great Fire of 1912]], [[Sir Dick Longman]], [[Suburb Nicknames]], [[Colloquialisms]] and [[Malton Girl on Girl Parade]] all spring to mind. Of course there are many many more worthy pages created in the name of [[Kevanism|Kevan]], this is just a tasty sampling.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:53, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Stop blatantly spamming your endless vomit pile of useless wiki projects.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 11:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Quality projects using the ''page history'' space? If there's something good in there that's been deleted for wiki policy reasons, can't you host it somewhere else where people will actually find it? --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well if there is that's what we'll do. By the way - whilst I'm here, can I get your thoughts on [[ALiM|this page]]. Totally just out of interest and not fishing for an endorsement to stick in the first sentence of the article... And did you purposely give some of the locations amusing names or was it all the result of some cosmic event?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:22, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Also thanks for the recognition that they are in fact quality. And yes page history contains lols and should be kept for this reason. For example [[User:J3D/lol@finis|this particular work]] would never have been possible if page histories weren't kept. [[Save Page Histories]], i think i smell a 2C wikiproject coming on...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:32, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Ah that smell. I know her well.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Just wondering if there's a time-frame for this, there's an administrative Archive of Two we need to finish up before it happens, shouldn't take more than a few hours each.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Turns out that it might just be the A/VB talk archives.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::What in the name of all things holy is an archive history purge? Do i need to be in the brace position? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Look at the contribs of an older member, like myself. Ive ben around and posting since october 2005. you will see pretty much nothingb that old. A history purge is just that, a deletion of all revisions older than a certain age from the database. Its one of the reasons we make archive pages. Histories can get seriously huge, especially on larger, more active pages. For examples of the biggest, try A/VB and Talk:Suggestions --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 18:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Cheers Grimbo. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:06, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Couldn't Kev just get rid of the bigs one then? Talk suggestions is a particularly useless page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:08, 22 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'll be some time during September, and it'll be clearing out to a specific date (probably everything over a year old). If you need me to hold off while some admin archives are made, let me know. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I believe we finally got them all done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:17, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Maybe we do need to lose some of our precious memories...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Is barricading affected in dark buildings? ==<br />
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Would you be able to resolve [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Dark#barricading_success_is_also_affected_by_dark this question], please? (i.e. is there an effect in dark buildings on barricading success?) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:05, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:As Midi said, you should try doing your own research on this inquiry first. It seems like you haven't even checked by yourself. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 14:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's based on chance - sorta hard to get solid evidence when it could just be called "bad luck". Sometimes you have to go to the source to find out if you're just having a shitty day or if it's some game mechanic that's actually stopping you from hitting all those zeds at the local RP... I mean... er...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 14:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aeon, I ''did'' "check for myself"... As in. I've experienced it numerous times in-game... Then I went to Brainstock, asked around for a second opinion, and got one... But that wasn't good enough for you people... So I decided to ask Kevan, himself -- especially since Nallan kind of has a point, and since it's not easy to find the conditions to conduct the experiment... In any event, I managed to find a place to try it: I posted the results on the Darkness talk page. However, a quick word, yea or nay, from the designer really would be appreciated... Now... none of this "discussion" was necessary, not here, stop spamming this page, sheeesh. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:14, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You typed more than the first three comments combined. And you complain about spamming? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:31, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, there is an effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== theres 98 survivors in monroeville what now? ==<br />
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what is going to happen now? is there anything left for the survivors other than to just run or make a last stand? is there anything for staying alive till the end. --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Stay alive I guess. --[[User:Federationtrooper|Federationtrooper]] 22:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:umm the count jumped UP TO 100, what just happened? --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 03:50, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::And it's 101 now. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 05:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Idled characters standing up, most likely. Hellooooo. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:11, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Yes, idlers. So, will all characters be deleted completely? Should we make a last stand? What will happen to the accounts? Will there be permaneny links to the diaries, that can still be obtained after the accounts are deleted? Knowing the basic plan will help us figure out what we should be doing.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::If I recall correctly, at some point the game will be shut down. I mean ''shut down''. At which point Kevan has said that any donations on MV alts will be transferable to Malton. He has hinted that he might allow MV alts to be moved to Malton once it's shut right down -- although I haven't noticed anything like this in a while, maybe he's changed his mind? I dunno... My advice, personally is to wait and see... Possibly Kevan doesn't even know yet how he'll wrap it up. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::I'm [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Kevan#Monroeville_Characters pretty sure] that MV characters won't be transferable to Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 01:49, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Okay, but what will happen to the actual accounts though? What would happen if I tried to login with it after the map ends? Will the diary be preserved?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:59, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Aren't they (donation tags) already transferable? i'm pretty sure they should be. --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Donations are transferrable, and accounts aren't - it was always going to be one or the other, and donations seemed more appropriate. Profiles and diaries will be kept in perpetuity. And given how little difference there is between shutting the city down entirely and leaving it open for zombies to mill aimlessly around in, I might just leave it open. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fair enough? Any chance of us active zeds getting another tag in our profiles? Ive noticed those survivors still active have got one. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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For what? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 19:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like this [[http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1147825]], one like ''blah was an active zombie one month into the 2nd quarantine. '' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Again, I ask, "For what?" For staying active? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 23:35, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Sorry. yep.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::You knew when you signed up that it was not going to be a permanent map. And you knew the basic rules of the game, as well. You ''knew''... Now, deal with it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== FAQs addition? ==<br />
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I don't know why you haven't gotten around to it, but here you can even find a pretyped one to add. It's a quick, simple addition...<br />
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http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Add_encumbrance_section_to_the_FAQs<br />
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Also, I'm not trying to bother you, but could you check the bugs page and try to deal with some of those issues? I noticed my moved-outside reports already in the known bugs section, and that sounds like a creepy one that's been happening to a number of people. I also see a number of other bugs commonly happening, with no hint of what's going on. Thanks.<br />
--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Once again...[[PR_UI:_Sub_Pages#Tips_about_encumbrance|dupe]]. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:28, 30 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::That's why I wondered why he hasn't gottena round to it yet. It's been around a while, and it seems pretty needed.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:04, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Enough is enough ==<br />
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I know you don't want to deal with this kind of stuff... yeah yeah yeah... But please just ''look'' at [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.180 this post]. Just quickly... <br />
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Enough is enough, already. '''Please''' ban open proxies from accessing Urban Dead, because this is just too common -- and if anything is going to kill this game and the community it's zerging. There is a massive level of frustration over zerging, though honestly it's not brought up because people are fatalistic, figuring you're not going to do anything about it. But there are people willing and able to assist with the coding, with helping to set this up, you just need to say "Yes" to getting the ball rolling. Please consider it, consider ''something''... Because it's a serious problem ((that is, the use of proxies). And, unfortunately -- unless there is something huge we are all missing -- it's a problem that your abuse detection algorithms just can't deal with... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just to add... This guy in the post I linked to likely had his alts banned, and just kept making more and more to replace them... which, if true, shows that algorithm works against ''"normal" multi-abusers.'' But when you're dealing with proxies, you can completely circumvent those algorithms. And that's the problem... Active players usually encounter at least a couple ''obvious'' "zerg teams" every week... And a lot more less obvious but suspicious ones... It's very frustrating for those who try to play "by the book"... And while we generally just "shrug and bear it", still... I'm not going to bother you with this anymore now, but I really felt it was high time to bring this your attention, and to speak out for the many people who are so frustrated by the prevalence of zerging in Urban Dead. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:17, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm going to take the liberty of seconding the above on behalf of both the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]] and [[Columbine Kids]], two fair-playing teams that I lead who encounter zerg teams weekly. Whether something comes of this or not, I just want to add our voices. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 18:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ha. The only topic on the page not address by Kev on Sept 3. Come on man an least a reply saying you cbf would be nice...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:03, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Sure, I'll take a look at any ideas or technologies people have got. I'm not aware of any silver bullets that don't also turn up false-positives for people on weird ISPs or who have a misleadingly-configured home network, but would be happy to be proven wrong. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:29, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Interesting Tangent: Speaking of silver bullets, i recently found out that all that stuff from days yonder referring to silver bullets and there use in banishing monsters is actually ambiguous as to if it's talking about actual silver, or mercury (which was known as quicksilver at the time). so yeah, you may in fact be unaware of any mercury bullets. Just keep that in mind when banishing foes.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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There was a discussion on Beerhah.com about this... Where some people were attempting to seriously address the issue and then come to you with some solutions. Sadly, interest seemed to wane once Finis Valorum apparently left the game... However, I am going to copy what was probably the most relevant and hopefully most useful post in that discussion. As you'll see, the solution was not an algorithm and/or set of "suspicious" IPs, etc. -- which I gather was you were talking about above? Rather, the main idea it was using a list of known proxies and simply banning them. I actually think the wiki sysops have a pretty long list of banned proxies, for a start perhaps that could be used... <br />
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And, no solution is going to perfect. There will ''always'' be holes, always ways around whatever measures you impliment. As the post I'll copy discusses. That, I think, is pretty well understood. However, the point is to make it as difficult as possible for people to cheat. Open proxies are just ''too easy'' to find and use... Now, I don't know if paying for a proxy list is going to be effective, or a waste of money, considering how much these things change, apparently -- that's something someone with the right knowledge would have to decide. Anyway, I'm place the text of the post on [[User talk:WanYao| my Talk page]] for you to look at. Thanks for your time. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:21, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Sadly, we've got no follow up response yet... Kevan, are you listening? Just as another case in point, look at this... yeah I ''know'' what you say... But just look... I think you need to... I don't want to be a "bitch" about this... But I am really, really hoping we can find some way to address the zerging issue, and this requires a dialogue with you... <br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_7-1__644-f97-77b.html<br />
http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_8-1__0c7-19c-2b9.html<br />
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LOLz at my insane typos notwithstanding (i meant "flayed alive") .... This is sadly typical... We see this stuff all the time: here, 4 alts, at least, 2 each in adjacent buildings, from someone with a whole slew of "mithra" alts, many more than these 4, many of them previously spotted together -- this guy is familiar to us... We've presented some ideas for dealing with zergs like this, there is a discussion on the [[AZM]] Talk page... Will you work on this? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:08, 12 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Kevan, please do this: community appointed UD moderators. These trusted moderators will ban obvious zerging reported by players. To investigate zerging only basic information is needed: history of when the zergs all logged in, and how long they've been around each other. 95% of zergers are stupid and lazy and will be caught this way. No permanent bans, just temporary ones. Enough to make the zergers life difficult. --[[User:Rupert|Rupert]] 19:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:COMMUNITY appointed? You're joking, right? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 21:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'm kind of new, so forgive me if this is stupid... Am I correct in assuming that a lot of these zerg characters are level 1, or to a lesser degree level 2 that seldom level up or even gain XP but are used as scouts. If that's the case then I would think that any ''real'' account is going to gain XP and level up within reasonable time periods. If that's the case then would purging level 1 & 2 characters that don't level in say a month get rid of a lot of zergs? Or is there a legitimate reason for accounts within these parameters? --[[User:Mvario|mvario]] 01:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Most zergs (despite the name) do infact end up leveling up, check out all the [[GTFO]] zergs for an example. The one's that do stay at lvl 1 and 2 are throw aways that won't be used again anyway, so deleting them wouldn't have any effect except to free up the account name to be used by another player. And that is something Kevan has said he doesn't want as it would cause confusion. Also lol @ my post up there ^ from Sept 5.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Last Major Change to this page? ==<br />
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When was the last major change to this page made, the one where months pf posts were cleared off and the number of topics reset to 0 (I assume 0)?. What about the Suggestions Development Page, where the Overflow section used to be? I'm trying to find certain old stuff, and I need to know those important dates to do so...thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:07, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=prev&oldid=1241305]]This? You can chust check yourself by looking in the history tab at the top of each page. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:27, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:That link's no good.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::There was a history purge so links to old edits don't work. However purges aside he's right, if you need to find an old version of the page use the history tab at the top.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::When was the last purge anyhow? That would really help. Those do make thinsg confusing...looking for old stuff that's gone...--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 19:17, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Dear Kevan: ==<br />
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<span style="color: #800000; font-family: Times"><center>You may try to tear down our barricades, devour our friends and allies, destroy our home... But we ''will'' prevail. Your efforts will be met with the stalwart defense that Barrville has maintained for these three years, and with our community at our sides, you must eventually accept defeat. You will go down, Kevan... and we'll put you there. And we'll do it oldschool; With our fists, With our boots, with lead pipes...<BR>And yes, with Axes. We shall not be put down.<BR>'''We Are AXES HIGH'''<br />
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E Cinerebus, Gloriam --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 16:13, 5 September 2008 (BST)</center></span><br />
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:'''''HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!''''' [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Okay, I actually thought it was quite the honour to be eaten by Kevan... but none the less worthy of an overtly trenchy and overdramatic comment. - --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 20:46, 23 September 2008 (BST)<br />
==Database errors==<br />
We are getting some infrequent, but still painfully annoying database errors. Last night when i was trying to edit [[A/VD]] i couldnt because of them, and we lost two current revisions on a page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASpacer_one%2FAthair_bas&diff=1270526&oldid=1270400 here] to them as well. Can you please take a look and find out whats going on? --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 21:51, 10 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Noted. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:43, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like we lost a handful of page revisions during the history purge; I'll look at restoring them this afternoon. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:08, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Okay, fixed, the handful of pages that were affected are stable now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==About the proxy issues...==<br />
this site: http://www.gmodtop100.com/ had a similar iddue which involved everyone giving themselves votes using proxyies from proxy.org Recently the website restted all the lists and when I tried to give hits to my gmod clan, I discovered that by some sort of meckanism they had managed to block proxies from being able to vote. I know they hadn't simply banned them because even my top secret proxy was blocked and I had never used it to access the website before. Maybe if you could get in contact with this "Pulsar effect" guy we could finally end this. [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It's really not as simple as some people seem to think. Web-based CGI or PHP proxies, or even SOCKS/HTTP proxies, are merely the tip of the iceberg – anyone with any decent technical expertise or friends with same can bypass any proxy list you care to come up with. Sure, it might be helpful, but it won't be a silver bullet, as Kevan alluded to above. Either way, we'll need to continue with [[ZHU|community-based]] [[GTFO|solutions]], as well as any additional technological measures that may be implemented. And remember... {{cquote||It may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma... which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve.''|Edgar Allen Poe}}{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And...{{cquote||Some things are not problems to be solved, they are facts to be coped with.''|Anonymous}} --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:23, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Future history wipes==<br />
Would it be possible leave a few more months worth of page histories next time a wipe is done? It's making it very hard to evaluate and track deletion requests, vandal histories and the like when histories just weeks old are missing, making it especially difficult to determine who should have "ownership rights" of group pages. Loosing histories will always be a problem, but the problem can be lessened significantly if you could keep it to older edits <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:56 20 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Or a portion of the oldest edits on a page(like the first 5 if possible).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And maybe a backup for the suburb danger status, using that sql code i sent you last time... heh... too bad i only found out about this wipe weeks after it occured, or i would have asked you to make the backup before the wipe. Bugger. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 03:14, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== I'm wishing for headshot.... ==<br />
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maybe for those left in monroeville should have something, like headshot, cause look at whats left... [[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:53, 4 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:The problem with that is to use headshot, you need to interact with zombies. A lot of the zeds left metagame, and all you'd do is draw others to your location. So yes. Bring it back. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I agree, running from zeds is getting old. I imagine they must be pretty bored as well. If not perma-death, how about headshot drops AP to zero. Otherwise we'll continue this war of attrition. Also shouldn't we get new badges? It would be cool if we had an incentive to keep playing besides making the zeds look impotent.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== ALiM's Birthday Party ==<br />
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You've been cordially invited to attend ALiM's birthday party at [[Club Head]] at 10am GMT on the 18th of October. Festivities will last for a full 24 hours. See [[Talk:Amusing_Locations_in_Malton#ALiM_PARTY.21.21.21|here]] for more details, oh divine master.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 02:15, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Misconduct ==<br />
I figure you are already aware of whats going on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#User:Grim_s| Here] but figured you should be formally informed. The final decision of the community has not been reached, but the general consensus will at the very least include the Bureaucrat status being removed from Grim. More may or not follow depending upon deliberations. Thank You. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:25, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:You have provided no evidence of misconduct. This is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:18, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Grim pipe down, everyone knows what you think and we also happen to know what Conn thinks. I can appreciate you're pissed off but can you not write the same boring ass one line all over the place, at least i nice tl;dr wall for old times sake ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:33, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Its not a boring arse line. Its a simple fact. All accusations of abusing the status of sysop as abadge of authority to force ones wishes on the community '''must''' come with '''clear evidence''' over a '''substancial period of time'''. So far no such evidence has been presented, and all my requests that it be have been soundly ignored by all concerned. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:36, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Conveniently all such evidence was wiped by Kev yestermonth, so i guess it falls down to your word against his/theirs. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Evidence already posted would still be present, easily visible to all who try a basic search. In any case, as [[user:Revenant]] has said, this is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Court Kangaroo Court], nothing more nothing less. My defense, which is logically sound, has been ignored, except where people have cherry picked points to troll. Saddam Hussein got a fairer trial than i am. In any case, without evidence, you cannot convict. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:40, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug*, shouldn't have declined my sysopship... ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::You were unfit for the job, and your subsequent tantrum proved as much to even the most jaded of eyes. My job isnt to make friends, or to be popular, or to do what people want, its to do what the rules and guidelines of this wiki state is correct, and to make the best decisions for the wiki in places where the guidelines do not cover. I am the only person to have ever lived up to that responsibility. No one else has, though karek comes damned close. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:47, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::oh come on, it was a joke! I thought even in your current state you should have picked it up. Feel free to slur away, hope it makes you feel better, xoxo. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:51, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Im sorry, but one seldom finds entertainment when one is the victim of such obvious and gross injustice where one cannot do anything about it. I apologise. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::apology accepted, we shall see how it plays out...now, to leave kevan's talk page so he doesn't get pissed off and cancel my accounts!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, this page was already on my watchlist. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:37, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::You gonna have a vote? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Contrary to Conndraka's first post, this is not a community decision at all. It is in fact a decision made by a small group of sysops. I trust the subtle difference and obvious deceit on Conndraka's part is not lost on you. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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There being no official method or process of notification...[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Final_Ruling| Here] is the result. Note the community "petition" that is also currently attached to the position. There being no "Policy" in this manner, the impeachment of a sysop by the community is a nebulous proposal at best. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:00, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:So that was you that thought that it would be a good idea to try to drive someone to vandalism as a last resort at neutrality? If it wasn't whoever added that petition should themselves be vandal escalated for misusing an administrative page to further a personal fight. Precedent matters.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:13, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Just for the record it was me who added the "petition" it was not intended to be used as evidence against Grim it and i thought it was pretty clear that I was asking for the communities opinion on wether Grim should face a vote. more than 1 person thought not.... apparently my intention was not clear enough and it turned into a petition while i was off-line. Should Grim have lost his Crat status? Probably... should he have lost it for the misconduct case? Absolutely not!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Bug, "zerg flag", or what? ==<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=951980 This alt] has recently tried searching for FAKs in a powered Mall with *no* success. 'Tis far more than bad luck... All other actions seem to working just fine, and I really can't see how a zerg flag could have been activated, even accidentally. Is this a bug, some unannounced change, or has a zerg flag somehow been activated? Anyone else had anything similar happen? But if it is a bug, then I'll report it normally... Thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:09, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unannounced change, although you shouldn't be getting ''zero'' success. If it keeps up, report it as a bug and we'll get some more data on it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Can you post these things as news? not only are we in a news drought, but it'll send the mall rats scurrying to the TRPs...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:25, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::It seems a bit cheap to announce search tweaks as fully-fledged "game updates". There are some proper updates on the way. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Perhaps, but it makes a difference. And considering it was suggested through the wiki suggestion system it'd a tip of the hat to the crowd over there (regardless of whether or not you actually saw that ;) ), i look forward to new updates :D something pro zombie perhaps? Things have quietened down in Malty as of late...btw kudos on the ruin update, she added a whole new dimension to the game.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Oh good. I thought this was just me. I have been getting reduced search rates EVERYwhere. (Hospitals, Malls, NT buildings.) Quite a few days I've spend 18~23 AP in these buildings over a period of about 10~12 minutes and have found nothing at all. Recently I've used a mall-searcher and spent 20 AP in Caiger NW and have found nothing in any store. It woulda been nice to see this as an official update. [[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 14:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yay! Updates are ace. :D -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:47, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Yes, please announce it or something. I was sad to find just 2 FAKs with 20 APs in a lightened mall with bargain hunting. Its just very less. First i thougt, it was bad luck, but others said the same too. Maybe a small view, what has been changed would be nice. --[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 17:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::'''My search-statistics:'''<br />
:::::::'''Where:''' lightened Mall, searched in the Drugstore<br />
:::::::'''Skill:''' Shopping+Bargain Hunting<br />
:::::::'''APs:''' 38 / 47<br />
:::::::'''Found nothing:''' 30 / 36<br />
:::::::'''Found a FAK:''' 8 / 11<br />
:::::::'''Rate:''' 21,06% / 23,4%<br />
:::::::--[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 18:18, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Assuming there are no more break-ins at my safehouse, I'll post some data tomorrow. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk]] </span> </sup> 04:26, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the reply, Kevan... No, you're right, haven't had a lot of time to play lately, but I tested it further and I did finally find some FAKs... And for everyone else... I believe I know ''exactly'' why Kevan implemented this. And it pleases me, personally, very much. :) Meanwhile, this wasn't a game-mechanic change, just a search rate nerf... Thus, I think it's cool it was left for us to discover on our own, and not as an announcement... Even if I had to resort to the cheap method of asking the big guy himself... ;) Though I did suspect it might be a search rate nerf, I just didn't ''dare'' to believe'' :D ... Thanks, Kevan, cool change... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:01, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh... FTR limited data... but searching for guns in a mall ''seems'' the same as always... and syringe rates have been quite low for some time now... just to clear up statement made above about everything sucking... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:05, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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You know, there's a [[Search Odds|better place]] than Kevan's talk page to dump this data... --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup II==<br />
I have regularly spoken to you of the abuses of adminsistrator and the flaws of the system. I have begged, and pleaded for you to become involved in fixing these problems. You have told me to do it myself. Tow/three days ago i notified you of my intent to stage a coup on this wiki and enforce a better way, at the very least as a trial run. I also informed you that you could call it off simply by telling me "no". Since you havent responded, and circumstances have cospired to make such an option impossible in the immediate future due to the very corruption that has taken root, i have been forced to go ahead earlier than i would have liked. I merely ask that you adopt a wait and see attitude towards what i am trying to do. This is my last throw of the dice. My last ditch attempt to make this a better place before i take my leave of this community forever. I apologise for the manner in which i had to bring it about however. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 10:26, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hello Grim. I read your email as a bold request for ''permission'' to single-handedly institute "sweeping reforms" and selective sysop demotions. I didn't realise you were threatening to actually abuse bureaucrat powers and go ahead regardless, if I didn't respond quickly enough.<br />
:Yes, whenever you email me asking that I force through a change that you personally want implemented, I suggest that you take it through the proper channels - usually a policy discussion, to at least get some community feedback first. I don't see why you couldn't have done that here. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup==<br />
Could you please re-sysop all the people that Grim just demoted, please, and remove his bureaucrat status to avoid it happening again? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:24 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Already onto it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::sooo....where do we go from here? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::[[Suburb Nicknames#West Becktown|PUSSY TOWN]]!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Shouldn't grim also have been demoted ? He can still do lots of damage with his sysop powers --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Given the "effective immediately i am seizing executive power" tone of his bureaucrat abuse, and the fact that he claims to have left the wiki permanently, temporarily revoking his sysop powers seems fair enough, if only as a security issue. I'll reverse it should the [[Misconduct#User:Grim_s|new misconduct case]] decide in his favour. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:34, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Hm... I think I may create a new subpage on my userspace containing as much of this stuff as I can. It will be interesting to read through and spot the points at which Grim became more and more frantic. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::First Katthew, now grim. There is no place for common sense is there? Maybe i'm not in possession of all the facts; all I see is one frustrated person finally snapping, after years spent as one of the very few sysops to actually work to make this a better place - rather than feather his own nest. The wiki has finally moved from being a source of information to some kind of passive-aggressive, UD version of Facebook. I'd rather have one person capable of making a mature decisions, unafraid to step on a few toes and deflate a few egos, than a gaggle of preening children. Disappointing. --[[User:Keith Drudgely|Keith Drudgely]] 17:58, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Grim was anything but "mature". Just saying. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 20:56, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::you should talk, cyberbob... actually, i do think grim was someone who worked hard for the wiki... and he'd dealt with idiocy for so long, he did snap... however, if only he'd handled things better over the long haul... le sigh... for what it's worth, the drama has pretty much caused me to quit the game, too... pathetic how seriously some people (myself included) take all this sometimes... and interesting how easy it is to walk away when the bad taste gets to be too much, and how little you miss UD when you do... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:36, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Biiig difference between being immature by choice and being immature by impulse, Wan. Also, WTF is with you and ellipses? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:18, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::~2 years till the next sysop snaps. I can understand where Grim was coming from though. It's very frustrating when people constantly attack you for no perceived reason, and eventually you *have* to snap, no one can sustain continued harassment. Grims misconduct case showed this, sysops calling for Grims demotion over something so minor was ridiculous. Unfortunately once a group of users has decided to attack you there's nowhere safe on the wiki, and eventually you are forced to leave until things cool off, which can be a long while, and difficult to do if you are a regular. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">11:35/13/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::::OR you could simply cease the unneccessary causticness that brought on all that ire and start acting with some degree of restraint rather than taking the easy route and trying to lay the blame on others. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:52, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Cyberbob's right, just because you weren't a victim of Grim's monster rampage doesn't mean it didn't happen. You should try to understand Jedaz, people didn't just rise against Grim for fun. We aren't idiots. If we were mindless idiots we would be playing Halo 3 and NFL 2009 instead of UD. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:58, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::It's called Madden you culturally ignorant fuck. Nah you're allllright. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:02, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::How dare you be here and not on IRC. You left me alone with those barbarians. >=[ {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::sorry sorry! I was spose to go to bed 21 minutes ago...hows a week tonight for you? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:19, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::@Cyberbob - What kind of restraint are you talking about? Restraint of language? I don't see anyone else restraining themselves. Restraint of Sysop powers? Well there wern't any successful misconduct cases about misuse. If you are talking about restraining yourself once you've snapped then you must be laughing. Don't get me wrong, Grims attitude didn't help the situation, but people making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't going to help either.<br />
::::::::@DDR - What has Grim done since June to have this "uprising" occur? Personally I didn't see Grim do anything outside of his regular behaviour (ignoring this most recent case), and the community has known about his behaviour for a long time and still elected him! Would the community still have rised up if this didn't occur? If not then it's just an angry mob and it would have cooled down eventually, where as an uprising would still have occured.<br />
::::::::Anyway, if either of you wish to continue this conversation I'ld suggest we move this to my [[User_talk:Jedaz|talk page]] rather then clog up Kevans. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:34/14/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::My point, Jedaz, was that if Grim was at all socially intelligent he would have realised that people weren't going to take his shit forever. If he wanted to prevent an explosion of the sort we saw he should've taken steps to improve his self-control. Blaming his completely unreasonable hissy fit (ZOMG IM GONNA LOSE MAI CRAT STATUS ALL MUST DIE) on the completely understandable reactions of everyone else is ridiculous. You need to take off the "I got yo back brotha!" goggles (you think I don't remember the circumstances of your demotion?) and take a step back to look at things realistically. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I supose you have a point. But I don't think you fully understand the reason I chose to be demoted (if you did then you wouldn't have brought it up). My point is if you don't have the support of the team you are working in then of course you are going to find it tough and eventually you are either going to quit or break. Nobody seems to care that it can actually get to this point. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:20/16/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::Cyberbob's right. Do you actually have a personal history with Grimsky? He has been planning this entire explosion for a very long time. He probably stretched out the time of the case so it could build up to a bigger explosion. He deliberately did this for his own ego. And yet you don't think he was unfit to be at the position he was at? Why argue with us more? Ask the entire community which demanded what we demand right now. I don't want to disrupt Kevan (I know your reading hun =]) So I'll stop here, no need to pursue justification. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::it was very calculated, there was a reason he chased away the other competent sysops, and crats, and meatpuppeted his crat "election". He was planning this "coup" for a while and was no lapse in judgement.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:30, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::I miss all of the good stuff. I believe what Anime is referring to is discussed [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|here]], with a now dead reference to [[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysop_Sub_Groups:The_Cheesy_Version#"With_less_than_10_active_sysops"|the original conversation here]]. You know, where he admits to hounding sysops such as Vista and Hagnat to get them to quit their positions. Coincidentally, after he got Hagnat to quit, he got elected as a Bureaucrat. No, obviously no long term plan in place.<br />
:::::::::::{{quote|Grim_s|Making a new sysop subclass wont solve this problem, all it will do is bloat the numbers of idiot sysops, which i have spent the last 18 months whittling away at.}}<br />
:::::::::::Whoops. I guess it ''was'' a long term plan to get into power after all, huh? [[Image:Haw.gif]] --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:52, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::No way to prove this but on IRC Grim would often criticize my "hissy fits" of pissing people off for lulz and then brag about how he could do it better. I think AS remembers it, he often hung out in #udwiki. My point, he planned this. That wasn't impulse. Impulse is "DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING!!!" --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:07, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::Maybe they are talking about on a geological timetable. Or perhaps some people need to [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impulse%5B2%5D read more]. I do find it amusing that [[:Template:Grim Doom|this template]], which was meant as a joke, is closer to the truth than people like to believe. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::He made [[User:Grim_s/Sandbox/Thingamajig|these notes on attempting to scrap the system]] back in July, which included the idea that my veto power was a "problem" and should be revoked. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::That's kind of why I am confused how what [[User:Amazing|Amazing]] did was worse than this. There is a huge history of edits of Grim chasing users off of the wiki in order to attain the power he craved ([[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|'''by his own admission''']]), then kicks off the rest of the sysop team to implement his changes when he is threatened, yet he doesn't receive the same punishment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::You're confusing yourself, because the Amazing and Grim situations are totally different. Amazing wasn't a sysop when he earned his permban through the established VB escalation system, and it was also a long, long time ago. Most of the sysops ruling on Grims case had nothing to do with the wikigate farce. Careful what you wish for, Akule, [[Witch Burners]] arn't that picky, as you well know <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:35 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::::Oh, okay, so talking with Kevan about how Grim probably should have been permabanned for chasing away several good sysops, plotting to remove Kevan's veto power, and overthrowing the other sysops results with veiled threats of forcing me off the wiki from you. Gotcha. So, when are you going to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Amnesty&diff=next&oldid=1295384 "waah"] Kevan like you did Hagnat and the others? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:17, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::I'm not threatening to force you off the wiki, Akule. I'm trying to point out that if witch burners always got their way, Grim would be out, but so would you, long ago due to copyright-gate. And why the hell would I Wah Keven, you clown... you're the one doing the waaaaahing <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::It's cos deep down (very deep, in some cases) we've all got a soft spot for ol' grimchy.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::And the winner of the Speak For Yourself award goes to.... --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 08:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Ooo! ooo! I'm a shoo in for this one! Pick me! Pick me! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:58, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::Umm...Boxy? How is what Grim did similar to the Witch Burners? Our goal is to remove those who create mass amounts of drama on the wiki through vandalism, arby's, and other crap. We are the vigilantes that work where the sysops can't. Grim would have been a target of ours if we weren't so afraid of him banning us after labeling him a target. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:25, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Well, I was referring to the way Grim has become a targeted witch, actually, but he did use similar tactics, now you mention it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::::::::::::The problem Grim saw with Kevan's veto power was that Kevan's refusal to participate in the wiki and the absence of the threat of the use of that power was in and of itself damaging to the wiki and led to a lot of the crap that annoys all of us. It wasn't that Kevan had veto power but that Kevan wasn't willing to give that power any weight. You'd probably know that if you ever spoke to Grim outside of arguments.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:24, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::I did. Usually it was go back to an argument, mostly over stupid shit. Mentioning you like Star Wars would result in a vicious attack on why TIE Fighters can't make noise in space. I for one don't give a shit. Grim loved to create trouble over stupid shit. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:23, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::That wasn't directed at you Sonny.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:54, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::BUT GODDSDAMMIT TIE FIGHTERS CAN'T MAKE A NOISE IN SPACE!!!!!!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 18:28, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::fcuk u tehy can 2!!1!!!1one! --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::: obviously the whole star war universe takes place in a particle rich nebula that allows for both the transmission of sound and the really spectacular explosions...DUH! [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:07, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Well at least we don't have Real Gamer ruling the wiki.Grim did make a joke about a coup earlier in 2008 around the time the the dead did their rampage I believe.And by the way, according to the History Channel,if you were in space,the Death Star firing and destroying a planet is as less loud than you clicking your computer's mouse.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Coup Misconduct Resolution ==<br />
[[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Resolution.2FFinal_Ruling| Resolution]] of the Misconduct case due to the coup, Just an FYI for official notification. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== HP? ==<br />
Just stood up after a revive... Found myself at 20 instead of 30. another one of these unannounced changes? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:07, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:That would be a bug. Report it if it happens again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:24, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I like the NT scan tweak. Very classy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Grammar ==<br />
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You try to add some corrugated iron to the barricade, but can't find a place for them.<br />
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"Them" should be "it", or "corrugated iron" should be plural, so maybe "corrugated iron rods".<br />
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Hope this is in the right place, and I know you probably don't care that much about small gramatical errors but someone needs to point them out!<br />
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Feel free to downsize the image..I would but I need to run! {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 12:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Update ==<br />
I don't do this much and am actually on the side of criticizing updates as too much for false problems but this recent update has been something that has been long in the waiting. Thank You, this might actually get me playing my characters again.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:37, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll go along with that. Admittedly I'm far more easily-pleased than Karek and never stopped actively playing, but still, thanks for a great update. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:27, 17 October 2008 (BST).<br />
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== Privacy Policy ==<br />
Hi kevan, is there any chance of a Privacy Policy being written up regarding players IP's and emails. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:58, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:[[UDWiki:Privacy policy]] has been in the footer for a couple of years now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:13, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Sorry I did not make it clear, I meant in regards to the game, not the wiki.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 10:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Streetwalkin' cheetah with a heartful of napalm ==<br />
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A ruffian headbutted me for 1 damage today, as a human. Is this a new addition or am I slow? I basically came here to ask, Kevan, how does one headbutt? Is it a random occurance that may happen instead of excecuting the punch command? Just curious. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:22, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Heh. That would have been me, non? Headbutt works via ?actions, i simply installed a greasemonkey script that allows me to perform said action in harman form without using the ?action. Sometimes young ddr, the only way to fight fire is well, with fire ;) . --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:50, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::That would be biting with a mask while alive I assume. 'cause you can bite while alive but, for 1 damage.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:49, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like the shooting while a zombie cheat to me. That hasn't been fixed yet, has it? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:27 18 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::That was fixed just before April 1 this year, I remember because Red Rums April Fools plans were ruined.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 17:06, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::The only reason the shooting cheat got fixed was because enough people decided to whine about such a minor thing. No one really cares about this one and it's been known for a long long time. That being said the damage is reduced when trying to perform zombie actions while living, it's always punch damage and I think punch rates too.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:58, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Nah no mask, just 1 damage.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:55, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I wish to lay claim to be the first person to be headbutted for 1 damage by a harman. Then I'll be positively famous. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:52, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You aren't. Unfortunately i'm not original, i got the script that allows me to do this off viktor, first person i know of who got headbutted was Fiffy i think, check with Anime, he'll know! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:06, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Take it to [[Talk:Actions via "question marks"]], thanks kids... no need to bother Kevan with this. Basically all these attacks work as a punch with different flavour: they're all 25% to hit, 1 damage. And you're very late to the party, I know I and others have been doing this for 6 months or more. Pretty much from around the time ActOnProfile came out. <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:34, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And unlike shooting while a zombie...the damage able to be inflicted by this is minimal. I've been bitten by a harman before. It was hilarious. ;) --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 04:15, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aha! That sneaky gorilla's secret is revealed! At last the world makes sense again. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 05:09, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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/topic. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:31, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== so wait... new map? whats for monroeville? ==<br />
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2 questions....headshot on this map or?<br />
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and monroeville is at 260 poeple so im kinda wondering if theres anything left for it....<br />
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[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 10:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:First question, the first one to level 10'll find out. Question 2, get over it, there's been nothing there for ages...new city thyme :D --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Kazypoo1, Monroeville ''did'' die quite a while ago, in case you didn't notice... I thought it said 'permanent zombification' somewhere, and it only lasts a month, so I'm assuming its perma headshot. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::No, headshot doesn't mean permadeath in Borehamwood. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hello Kevan, quick question: The stats page currently displays the Monroeville numbers as {{udspan|(1023 standing survivors, 707 standing zombies, 43896 accounts created)}}. I take it this is Borehamwood numbers mixing with the old of Monroeville. So will we get separate stats for Borehamwood? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:So. That's basically 950 survivors against 200 zombies at the moment? Still I liked getting the rage. It was fun. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Good point. Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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With the new locations such as railway line(s) and petrol station(s), what do they bring to the game? Is their any new weapons/items? --[[User:Alcatraz311|Alcatraz311]] 15:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Was this why the server went down last night by any chance? =P -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Publicity of Big Brother house location ==<br />
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Greetings. I, amongst others, would like to know your opinion on publicity of the Big Brother house location on the wiki. Should it stay hidden or be revealed? --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 13:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Unless Kevan comes out and says otherwise, this is no different than any other location in the game. Removing it is in no way different to a group of trenchies removing [[Giddings Mall]] from the map in case [[MOB]] comes to visit. Information is free. Censorship is bad.<br />
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:This wiki is a game resource, not a vehicle for censorship so that certain players can increase their chances of winning a DVD.<br />
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:Also this information has already been disseminated to public UD forums and is available through public iwitnesses. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Had this talk with the Big Man before, and he said he has no problem with it. Actually, he imagined its coordinates would have been posted in a matter of hours on the wiki, and also broadcasted through radio and stuff like that. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's up to players how much information they share or conceal; I don't mind either way, in this case. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Wow... as if we don't get enough of the BB franchise on the idiot box, now we get huge BB eye's looking at us as we attack a mall in Malton? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:59 2 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:They'd only be there because someone chose to spraypaint them, but the graphic shouldn't have been showing up outside Borehamwood. This is now fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::OK, thanks. I have a particular hatred of the bastardisation of the original "big brother" concept that involves housemates <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:56 3 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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== Questions about your character ==<br />
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I assume this UD ID is yours, correct, UD ID-11? Well, I'd like to welcome you to West Grayside, though I don't appreciate the eating of so many brains. Also, I don't appreciate the Ninja Zombie status you seem to give yourself. we all know the military covers up things, but covering up their own skills? I scanned your zombie, listed as pre-death class Military, but you lack any military skills! So is just a sick joke, or is it a bug? Picture of scan here:<br />
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Thanks for checking.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Damn, that's a pretty smart catch! Bub is pretty famous among organized zombie players, and most folks know him for not having any human skills, but I never knew he was a "military class" character, as I've never seen the "living" version of his profile.<br>I doubt its a bug; G. Romeroe's "Bub" character was military. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 22:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::How did he get Military without any skills? .......... Oh wait.... Mad haxors skill... :P --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Bweing god of Urban dead helped as well; being able to defy the laws of logic and the 4rth dimension and whatnot. Wait whats his human account?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 03:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So, what is his human account? --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 17:00, 26 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::I don't think any of the survivor accounts are known, but we know he has them out there... Somewhere... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 02:41, 27 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=14 Kevan] doesn't seem to do much <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:11 27 September 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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== Mediawiki Update ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if there any chance of getting wiki software updated? The latest version is v1.13 and there are several useful new features, including: <br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
It's not urgent or anything, but it would be nice if you could put it on your busy to-do list :D.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That sounds pretty cool. =) Can we get it for Christmas? Means you'd only have to get us one present between us this year, saving you quite a lot of money. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Image undeletion is enabled by default as well-useful for when sysops accidentally delete a useful image {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Black Holes of Borehamwood==<br />
Evening. There's a couple of squares in [[Borehamwood]] that are seemingly unscoutable. Namely deep river sections. Can you confirm there's nothing mysterious and shiny hiding in the depths, islands and the like? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'd just like to also say thank you for the charcoal briquettes barricade message. Brought a smile to my face.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazing ==<br />
I'v always owndered for these 2 years; what in the hell DID amazing do anyways? What grim did is easy to see because of the publicity and recentism of it but what EXACTLY did amazing do?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amount of characters in a broadcast ==<br />
I was wondering, Since I started the [[Galaxy News Radio]] i've found that the very small amount of characters you can use is at best, a thorn in my side, couldn't it be possible to make the transmission amount of characters the same as for speaking, it makes perfect sense really --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 21:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If you want to make a suggestion for an in game feature, take it by [[Developing Suggestions]] and get some constructive criticism before putting it up for voting. Although as far as i'm aware the character cap exists to limit spamming of radio channels.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Actually it's probably more of a necessary thing like the 50 people limit in normal speak is. Radio can't share that limiter because that would eliminate it's whole purpose so the only other ways to limit it is to put an upper end on how much you can say per day per channel.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::It's a possibility, but since character limits (as far as i'm aware) predates the need for limiting talking to 50 it seems odd.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
Okie i'll take this to the development pages, thanks for the feed back though guys {{unsigned|An unlucky guy|11:00, November 23, 2008}}<br />
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==Dead Set Competition== <br />
Can I assume that the prizes and all went off without a hitch so I can update the competition as a Past event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, the winners have been selected and contacted, and talking to the cameras in the diary room no longer has any effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Trade?==<br />
Sorry to bother you but I was wondering why survivors can't trade. This could lead to more eaisly avalible equipment, I think there would be a limit thou. Generators couldn't be traded etc. I think that it might help the humans in a bunch of Unbalanced claims. Players could not trade to same Ip address characters would stop cheating and it could lead to characters traveling round Malton selling there wares which would be fun to see. My regards it's a great game and I've got a bunch of my freinds playing now too. Thanks from me and them [[User:Athur birling]]<br />
:Heya. If you want to make a suggestion for an addition to the game you should go [[suggestions|here]]. In the meantime check out [[Frequently_Suggested#Giving_or_Trading_Items|this]] which explains why trading is generally seen as a bad idea. Anyway, welcome to the totally awesome UD wiki!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The [http://www.urbandead.com/faq.html#trade FAQ] does hint at trading, but he also says it will take lots of thought. I imagine the coding would be nightmarish too. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::you know what link? you're alllllllllllllllllright.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks {{unsigned|Athur birling}}<br />
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==Making a list? Checking it Twice?==<br />
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We getting a chrimbo update? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow? ==<br />
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Are you hiding it under your cap? Or NO SNOW FOR MALTON WINTER 08'? I miss mah flakie friends! --[[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 21:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:[http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a841/a841.gif Al Gore was right]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd like to put in another vote for snow! I missed the fog this year at Halloween and the snow really added some nice flavour in my opinion. --[[User:Queen Mum|Queen Mum]] 00:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Need moar snow. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== what, no more newspapers? ==<br />
they don't seem to be showing up in hospitals anymore. got rid of them, eh? any chance of them coming back, i love smacking people with 'em! :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:They should be somewhere else maybe? It was annoying with them in hospies. Luckily all ma guys have them already :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Still plenty of places to find [[newspapers]], guys. lrn2wiki. <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, there are no more newspapers in Hospitals. I search them often, and not in ages have I found a newspaper therein. Update that wiki page? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Same here. Seems safe to update. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== I can't smash Xmas lights??? ==<br />
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Those darned Whos! I hate them!! But seriously, the option to smash christmas lights in a ruined building is not available. This is blatant discrimination against zombie scrooges. I protest! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:My apologies. I figured it out. :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hi, I'm a big fan. I finally found your talk page and I have a question, can you reinstall headshots in Monroeville as the humans think they can take down us zeds........--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leaving nice messages for Kevan is fine, however we have a system for suggesting improvements. Please go to [[Developing_Suggestions|Developing Suggestions]] and suggest it there. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 19:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Character Deleted == <br />
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I wanted to make sure that this [[Fixed_Bugs#Teleport_across_Malton_and_level_0_account||bug]] was fixed but it appears that it is not fixed. If you are on the edge of Malton and go to http:urbandead.com/map.cgi?v=100-99 it will mess up your character. I did this with my charachter Yark and now whenever I log in I can't perform any actions with him, and it seems his skills have been deleted: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815674 --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 20:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No! Yark! =( -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Just replicated it by going from 0,99 to 0,100 in New Arkham with a random throwaway I just made: [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1442227 Testy McTesterson]. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I hate to say it, I killed mister <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=142058 password]</span>. After more poking, I have observed even more; Couple of AP and permadeath, I'm the first to go from Spicer Hills to Dakerstown instantly. I'll work out more details when my IP hits refresh, as I just used a proxy that I didn't much like. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::<nowiki>:</nowiki>'( --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::password will live on. (and probably be revivificated) Also, what about 100-100? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::[[:Image:Testy.jpg|We're alive!!]] =D We're level 0 and we've got a zombie chewing on us, but we're alive!! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Fixed. I've dropped Yark into a random, secure building, and given the character 1000XP to get up and running again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The bug? Or Yark? password and Testy are level 0.. The bug was interesting, odd behaviour, but it would be nice if after a server reset you could be free to move again. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 18:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The bug. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 18:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Project Namespace ==<br />
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we have few projects, yet i was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting to have them in their own namespace. Thus projects like [[The Great Mall Project]] and [[ALiM]] would be located in [[Project:The Great Mall Project]] and [[Project:ALiM]]. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but "Project" is a builtin alias for whatever the name of the wiki is (here it's "UDWiki"). e.g. [[Project:Administration]] is the same as [[UDWiki:Administration]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Darn, forgot about that. Maybe in the plural then, [[Projects:The Great Mall Project]] --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::That would just be confusing.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Just Plain Vanity ==<br />
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Any chance of a {{Udspan|''' Dermot O'Leary was still alive and active one month into the Borehamwood quarantine.'''}} ? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== about the admin team ==<br />
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how do you feel about the current sysop team of the wiki ? do you have any problems with how we run things ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:does he give a fuck? recent history would suggest probably not. Stop fishing for compliments hagnat. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:okay that came out a little harsh, but i don't see why you want to bring kevan into this other than for your own gratification. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Hedging much? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 13:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::It's pretty easy to predict what he's going to say. Why would he complain? You can't have nothing to do with your own games wiki then rock up and say 'i hate the way you people run it' and then disappear again. Unless he wants to get involved in the wiki again kevan ''can't'' say he has a problem with the way they run it. Although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Easier than that, last time someone asked him to weigh in on promotions his response was that he basically didn't want his opinion brought into the matter. So No Comment is probably the best bet.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Me? I'm just the guy who provides the hosting, here - I'll step in if there are server issues, or if a rogue bureaucrat locks the wiki down, but everything else is up to the community. If I wanted to have a say in wiki policy, or who should and shouldn't be a sysop, I'd already be doing that. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::J3D 1, haggy, zerrro. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Hey, he gives a fuck about how the community is run. He just won't say how much or what he gives a fuck about. :D --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span></small> 02:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I think Hagnat's concerned for his sysop status. I would be too if I was a ''trusted user'' that was acting against the wishes of the community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop right there Iscariot! I am sick and tired of you constantly saying that every sysop on the team is going agaisnt the wishes of the community! Most of the community never has a problem with the current admin team, and when they do it's rarely a huge problem. Now you come on Kevan's page and still continue the bad mouthing. Just face it, no matter what you will never be pleased with the administration and so you will constantly have to pretend that the whole community is on your side so that you will feel right in your head.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::How many people are there playing the game? How many are on this wiki? Yes, some people don't have time to spend on anything other than playing the game, but how many people are putting hours a day into the meta game and ''still'' won't touch this wiki without an exceptional reason? And how many of those people have told you that the current administration team is one of the primary reasons? My total ''will'' beat yours. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The wiki is an information source. Almost everything is explained in game when you encounter it (1st death, 1st Rez. etc.) So, not every one needs to touch the wiki or even use it as a resource. <br />
::::The wiki is the worst place to organize and meta-game. Just ask DHPD. When we were just Project:T.I.M.E. (well, before the Dead/DoDH) we were seriously outnumbered by them, but because they had all of their profiles linked on here and updated where they were going to be and who they were working with and so on we knew enough about them to take them out. The wiki shouldn't be for the meta-game it should be for information. That's why most groups of note have an off site forum to metagame. You can't blame the current staff because people have figured out that giving away too much information on their groups is bad thing.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::That has so little to do with what iscariot said.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Get it off Kevan's page. He doesn't need to be bothered with a dispute between users. Have it out on each others talk pages, or even mine, just don't start bringing it here. Okay?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 01:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I know, I'm sorry. I just wanted to counter Iscariot's comment because I know exactly what he's trying to accomplish by posting that. I, unlike Iscariot, am done here now.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Much as I hate the way Iscariot is going about his crusade I have to say he does have a point. The sysop team probably does not represent the view of even a large minority of players and that explains why so few players contribute. Not that i think its all the Admin teams fault, but the rules they follow and enforce reflect a community that no longer exist. Most sysops were promoted long before most current players even heard of the game yet the tag "trusted user" is still attached to the title "SYSOP". Few current wiki users vouched for them and fewer still of the actual player base and yet they still cling to positions claiming that "popular" votes undermine the system! They are right that popularity does not mean competence but... Franky i find it a bit odd that sysops can claim the label "trusted user" and not be willing to allow the community to confirm that label. Look back to Conn's promotion bid, or Boxy's or Hagnats or even Kareks and even without checking i can say with confidence that at least half those that vouched are no longer active.... Now i personally '''Would''' vouch for them all but my point is that they were not voted in by the current community and the claims that they are trusted users wear very thin in light of the fact that they do not seem willing to trust the communities opinion on pretty much any issue!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The sysop team doesn't have to represent the view of a large majority of players, it only has to represent the view of the wiki community. Whenever I play a browser game I don't always sign up to their forums/wiki/whatever they have. A large portion of users probably won't bother contributing to the wiki because so many other users already are. If I was to ask you, "what needs contributing to on the wiki?", I'm sure you probably won't have many answers. The only things of note are suggestions and suburb reports, and not everybody is interested in that (and the drama which comes with each of them). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:26/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::I have a few, if you want a list feel free to pester me some time.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 02:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree that the only bits of the wiki that interest most players are the Maps, suggestions and suburb reports (I include maps because i assumed you had forgotten them?) that said i do think that the system is set up to support the views of long time players (contributors) rather than the new players who are actually the lifeblood of the game. While obviously the wiki needs to pay some attention to long time editors like me,wan,cyberbob,ahlg,etc... i would think it would be far more important to promote the wiki to new uers. I still play (and i hope/assume that those named do too) and i would hope that everyone on the admin team does to but it has to be said that without change the game becomes dull and people leave. If the wiki and its admin team does not reflect the changing demographic of the game it is missing what is surely a fundemental point for its existence?--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I remembered the maps, but I did not include them because there is very little to nothing which a new user can contribute to (which is what I'm focusing on). I agree, we should encourage new users to join and contribute, however most of the other work is maintence which doesn't exactly draw the crowd. If you have an idea which would encourage new productive users to sign up then I'ld like to hear it. I'ld be more then happy to help flesh out any ideas you may have. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:50/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::::I think my wiki Urban Dead game could draw in some people to play. They could even make their own once I finish the template. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Autoconfirmed group ==<br />
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Hi Kevan. Just want to ask a quick question. We've had a couple of policies about setting up an autoconfirmed group recently and I thought it might be a good idea to check in with you about it. Depending on the result of [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Autoconfirmed Group Trial|this policy]] would you been willing to implement an autoconfirmed group on the wiki as a trial to see how we get on with it? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No problem. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks. =) -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Quick Questions ==<br />
Sorry to take up your time, but I'm just wandering what you think of the games on the Related Games page. (ie, Nexus War, Shartak, Outbreak, etc). Also on Shartak, Leaky Blocks (It's creator) said that you encouraged Shartak's developement and that you play shartak. Is that true?--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 15:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Shartak's the only spinoff I've played, and yes, Simon/Leaky is an old friend of mine. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Why no chainsaws ==<br />
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:''content moved to [[User_talk:Jakezing|Jakezing talk page]]''<br />
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== Updating the Wiki software, 2.0 ==<br />
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The wiki software, as it stands, is two years old (ish, in the coming month.) As well as the obvious bugfixes and minor changes that can't be gone into detail here, 1.13.3 of MediaWiki has some useful new features that we could use:<br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
*Image undeletion enabled by default<br />
*A prettier [[Special:Specialpages|list of special pages]] (compare to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages Wikipedia's])<br />
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There are heaps of other changes-you can look at the release notes linked [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/News here]. I know that updating the server will take some time, but it would be nice if you could add it to your busy schedule.<br />
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<sub>I stole some of that list from [[User:The General|The General]] above</sub><br />
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Would this increase information between the server and peers= server load increase? {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 12:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think so. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I can't see how it would, but I can't say for sure. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:It's on the to-do list. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Awesome, thanks.--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel -</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks Kevan. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What's your view on adding extensions to the wiki? I'm not talking anything specific here, just in general. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Xmas ==<br />
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Xmas is over, and there are clearly no more Xmas decorations or trees, but the update message was not changed, and there is still the option to hold onto Xmas decorations if found. Perhaps removing that option (and next year posting when Xmas is over) would be helpful? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 13:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Don't take away my Christmas trees... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Christmas trees have been a vehicle for meta-challenges and games when they do pop up. It's fun flavor even in the middle of the year. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool]] and the [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool II]] are a couple examples. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::In sounds like you guys think I am requesting trees be removed altogether. I am not. I mean, the announcement still exists on the main page about the trees and light being available, even though they no longer are, so I am suggesting cycling the announcement to something "current".--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow ==<br />
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Perhaps I have missed something, but did the livestock and industry prevent snowfall last winter? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Misconduct Case Feb 2009==<br />
A user has brought a case over on [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#The_Entire_Sysop_Team.2C_excluding_Kevan_and_.22Urbandead.22|the Administration: Misconduct page]] that indicts every member of the administration team except your personal account and the Urban Dead admin account also controlled by yourself. Due to the obvious problems with ruling on cases in which you are also a named party, none of the current administration team may rule on the case (that is if they conform to the community's policies). Would it be possible for you to quickly look over the case and either rule misconduct or not misconduct to prevent unnecessary fall out? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Pretty sure Kevan isn't going to buy into this shit fyi --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I think you're mistaking me for Read. Fact is, that case is going to sit there for a couple of weeks whilst you and he debate the finer points of whatever it is you discuss. If an involved sysop (as they all are) removes it then we're asking for drama. Kevan can spend five minutes and solve the whole thing for the community, even if he just states that he declines to get involved and rule, which will obviously mean that the sysops cannot be found guilty of misconduct and this will allow the case to be archived. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I may have to agree with Iscariot here. Getting Kevan to say something, anything, will be the only way to end the case without pissing off Read and causing him to file another misconduct case to whomever is the sysop responsible for breaking procedure and then causing a '''huge''' wave of drama, and we all know he's chomping at the bit for something truly substantial to hit the administration with.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 18:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The amount of drama someone causes is only as much as everyone else allows them to (I wasn't mistaking you for Read btw Iscariot; I wasn't intending to implicate you whatsoever). If nobody feeds the troll he will eventually starve to death. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::My opinions on Read, yourself, the sysop team and Santa Claus aren't involved here. The simple fact that allowing the precedent of an involved party to remove a case shouldn't be something we're striving for. Personally I'd rather have Kevan rule, and I think we all know which way. However provided that Kevan publicly responds in some way, even if that response is ''"I'm not ruling, I don't get involved"'', then we have a way to remove the case validly. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::kk --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Read was irrelevant, he wouldn't have continued it and Iscariot has no intentions here but to try and cause said drama. It's what he always does, jumping on something someone else made and perverting it for his own attempts at causing needless drama and faux rebellion to stroke his ego that the sysops who punish him for his actions aren't trusted by the community. The validity of the case was never relevant to his trying to stir shit, neither was the legitimacy of any action a sysop could take in response to it, to him it's all gonna be called abuse. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Not seeing any reason to get involved here; either the misconduct system is poorly worded, or it's being misinterpreted. You shouldn't be able to accuse all but one sysop of misconduct, and allow that one sysop to judge the rest. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::yase, justice have prevailed --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 23:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Massive Zerging in Dunell Hills ==<br />
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About three days ago a large number of new characters all called "TheDeadDie" (i.e., TheDeadDie1 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467702, TheDeadDie15 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467737, etc.) started appearing in Dunell Hills. The first the DHPD heard of it was this iWitness report.<br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-10-09_2000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_5-36_zergertown_a5d-400-1db.html<br />
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There are now, apparently, over 100 of these characters.<br />
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Obviously there is an outside possibility this is a large group of new players but, on the whole, it looks like zerging on a massive scale.<br />
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The DHPD are currently trying to find out more about the situation and deal with it. We thought we should give you a heads up, however, in case there was something obvious in the server logs that would provide definitive proof of zerging and allow swift action to be taken at your end. We understand that you normally prefer to keep out of zerging cases, but this looks pretty outrageous to us and we thought you should, at least, know about it. [[User:Louise|Louise]] 11:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Aye, [[HKL]] ran into this bunch as well and were pretty put-off. [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-11-09_0200hrs_PRIVATE/IN_5-36_Dead_Zerg_Rush__a51-c5d-8a0.html Another iWitness] with even more of them crowded in. Profile search for [http://profiles.urbandead.net/index.php?name=TheDeadDie* TheDeadDie*] shows 102 of them at the moment. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::zergs like that are usually a flash in the pan. 10 bucks says they all idle out before level 3--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 15:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible big ass Zerg in Yagoton ==<br />
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Ok: We have ALOT of Fing lvl 1 free runnerfs hiding in St. Swithuns (which i am guessing you know is a revive point), its caded thanks to the idiots trying ot take over: and I'm guessing this mass colection of lvl 1 free runners (they all have free running only) are bots? They all joined around the exact same time as well.<br />
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*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471315<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471341<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471355<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471480<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471498<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471519<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=163604<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471501<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471358<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471347.<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471324<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471331<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471350<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471366<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471492<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471504<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471367<br />
:Those are the links, srry bout stretching but i forget which one tabs it into a Number.<br />
::Heres a picture of them all in one area. http://i43.tinypic.com/2lwr7k1.jpg<br />
:::Srry bout the mess this is making on the talk.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Take the list to resensitized, that's about all that you can do. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 05:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::One question about that picture. Where'd you get a version of UDToolbar that works with the latest version of Firefox? --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 08:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I just downloaded one? What's different about it? Also theres even more zergs now.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 13:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Jake, unlike how some folks would be I'll be nice here...Kev doesn't do anything about Zergs from info received on the wiki. as a matter of fact Kevan doesn't do a whole lot unless there was a significant amount of community input via the suggestions page and even then it is at his leisure. The Zerg issue is pretty much handled by other folks on the resens list and even then its pretty catch as catch can. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 19:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::No wonder UD fail so hard.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::As many have said before, if you don't like it, then leave. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I think he has sadism issues, as we try and try to get him to leave, but he always keeps coming back for moar abuse. It's sad really.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::You can tell me to go but that doesnt give you the power to make it happen.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I'm not telling you to leave, but it would probably be a good decision if you think UD fails. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 15:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::That's masochism, not sadism. --{{User:William Told/Sig}} 01:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Random Request ==<br />
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Next time you create a new city, any chance of bringing back the junkyard and wirecutters combo? Cheers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:+1. I have to admit to being bitterly disappointed to find open junkyards in Monroeville. :'( {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==TOU/S==<br />
Do we have a Terms of use/service page? I've been looking for a while, and I don't seem to see one. It'd be nice if we did, because then we'd know things that are expressly forbidden due to hosting issues and the like.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:If you cannot find it: it does not exist.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 22:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Oh piss off. No one is fooled by your act, so please just fuck off. Kevan? Do we have a list of things that are forbidden due to country laws, hosting issues, etc. or not (Not necessarily meaning it's available on this site, but one that you know about that pertains to the wiki)? I mean, yeah there are a few "duh" sort of ones, like no kiddie porn and stuff, but others I have no idea about. Any help?--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.com This site] (domain tools,) says that [http://www.as29550.net/ this] is his ISP, server located in England. The ISP has an "Abuse of TOS" email address, so presumably they have a TOS, although I can't find it. I have no idea about English law. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::From time on another, more combative, site I have a layman's understanding of British Law as it applies to defamation, slander, libel and the nature of physical threats and illegal actions that appertain to the settlement of the aforementioned. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::A brief education by the University of Google finds no such laws relating to death threats, but I would imagine that such a law would be buried deep in things like criminal codes. If it comes to it, I'll ask one of my teachers about the (Australian) legal system when it comes to these things, or one of my parents (both lawyers.) That said, that's ''Australian'' law, but our law is pretty similar to that of the UK. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Back in the Day Xoid and I had to do some research on the TOS because of a user abusing in serious violation of them. However I've gone looking and haven't been able to find the references anywhere still on the Wiki. It was probably on a talk page of some article that was deleted in an edit without being archived. The primary gist of it was this... any form of intimidation that went beyond a certain level of namecalling and usual wiki BS was a violation, ESPECIALLY if it included "real world"<sup>tm</sup> threats of harm or violence. Also included were any situation where hosted domains were used to damage the effectiveness of another website or host (as an example you couldn't use any part of the host to launch a d.o.s. attack on another domain. Not that this was really possible by anyone but Kevan. Also iirc the Wiki and the Game were on different hosts at teh time but I'm pretty sure that has changed since then. I don't know. I was never the techno-savant of the group and my memory is hazy. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Thanks Conn, that's a little bit of what I'm looking for. Just waiting for a response from the big man about all this now.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I also thought we had some basic terms on the wiki somewhere, but maybe we don't. The Poundhost terms of service are [http://www.poundhost.com/tos/ here]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Thank you, I'll start working on a page for the wiki.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 14:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|Semi-protection]] ==<br />
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...Was approved. I think all you have to do is change the autoconfirmed group to 1 week and 25 edits. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Going to update the config, it turns out that [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAutoConfirmCount $wgAutoConfirmCount] needs a later version of MediaWiki; this will either have to wait for a MediaWiki upgrade, or be reproposed without the edit count. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::We'll wait for the MediaWiki upgrade, there's no hurry. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wiki_Questions#Time_Travel?|Time Travel]] ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, we've just had a very weird thing happening with the edit histories. Where you trying to do something or was it just a bug? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No, I wasn't around at the time, I've no idea what that was about. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Okay, thanks. I'll do some poking at the Mediawiki help files if I have time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ever gonna update the game? ==<br />
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a lot of people are quitting the game.it's because you won't update the game. you need to push for 2-3 updates per month. i'm telling you so your game does not suffer. please update the game for the people's sake--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:How many games do you run, Yokotory? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Well I do run track and Cross-country. I ski on the weekends.Do you run at any games or track meets?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, rowing and weights are my sporting loves. The difference is that I'm not telling you how to run or ski, whilst you are trying to tell Kevan how to run a game which is heading toward four years of lifespan without once having had your help. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::I refuse to believe that Jerrel wasn't being a smartarse there. The concept of him actually taking your words in that way for real is just too retarded for words. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 06:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::He was kidding wasn't he?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I believe they call it intentional misinterpretation, an example of me employing that very device is on either Boxys or kareks talk page, something to do with alim and hagnat...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I was faced with the choice of believing that he's either cripplingly unfunny or a functionally illiterate retard. The evidence all pointed to 'Retard' so I went with that and answered as though serious.--[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 12:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
No, I'm telling him that his game is going into despair, whilist he is doing nothing about it.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And you're also telling him how to 'fix' it, which amounts to exactly what I said. Care to back up your claims? How far have numbers fallen in the last six months? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I really don't think a 'lack' of updates is the reason for dropping numbers. I'm not 100% sure the balance of some of the more recent updates is quite right but that isn't my call. But the game doesn't need a barrage of updates coming out every other month. The slow progression of the game over time gives it longer life than having quick fix after quick fix to keep people with low attention spans happy.--[[User:DI Marc Sweeny|DI Sweeny]] 01:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The numbers seems to have stagnated, actually. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
I'd like to thank you Kevan for taking your sweet time in updating the game. It's making it a little less full of people entirely incapable of self-motivation, thus making it more fun. Kudos to you sir. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Acctully Kevan is my idol. kevan is a good person for what he's doon.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 02:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Isn't this the dude who nominated himself for sysop after 200 edits? Yoko, do you think you could whip us up a cross-country and/or track MMORPG? Because that would be ''awesome''. Throw in some chainsaws, too, and maybe some crucifixes that shoot laser beams. You would totally show up Kevan! --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 04:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Okay, Now you all think I'm a retard. Sorry for pointing out what everyone else could not see. Sorry for pointing out the obvious. Most people in this game, (the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats, pardon me)would agree with me a think this game needs a freakin update. I take cybertonics and Coding as a special class at GU and I know it's hard to code, I've tryed it. But Kevan IS A TRAINED SPECIALIST. He could redo this entire game in a half hour if he wanted too. sooooo, whays a 1 UPDATE PER MONTH? is that so hard to ask?????<br />
add a new weopon, new builing, something. Please.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Last year kevan gave us 18 updates including 2 new cities. Give him a rest. {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And most all of them had someone complaining about the game being made harder or more complicated. A few legitimately, most because it screwed with their status quo. I have absolutely no clue why he would want to take his time between updates.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Making an update is a '''lot''' more than just coding it. The balance needs to be thought of thoroughly and it needs to be tested. These things take time. Sure, Kevan could probably push out ''one update a week'' if he wanted to and wasn't lazy, but those would be unbalanced and buggy updates. Unbalanced and buggy updates are more likely to drive people away than a lack of updates. The game simply doesn't need to change every month, not even every couple of months. If you find the game boring, ''go and do something interesting and different yourself''. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 09:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. Lots of rushed, unbalanced updates would simply destroy the game (and it has nearly [[On Strike|got to that point]] before.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Finally someone who agrees with me!!! Why drag out updates?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 21:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:"the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats" - Just so you know, I'm neither. Carry on. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm actually the only sysop to comment in this conversation - and I did it [[Talk:Main_Page#Out_of_date.3F|here]] (with the exception of Karek, who'll be [[A/DM|demoted soon.]]) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I find myself in the middle of this arguement, in terms of the two sides. On the one hand, I don't want Kevan to break the game balance every week, fix it and then break it in a different way the next week, but on the other I feel that an update is about due.<br />
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Besides, I think an update every two months or so isn't much of an ask, even if its just adding an item from the PR suggestions. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Can we please close this topic? Everyone wants to say something about Jerrel's ridiculous statement but I don't think it's worth the spam that it's leaving on Kevan's page. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Im sure on the 1st of april there will be an update. usually is! {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
Hey!!!! Everyone that wants an update should get together and go on strike!!!!!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop talking now. A strike for something as lame-assed as this is nothing short of pitiful. You are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
[[Image:Update.JPG]] because i had already done this and it seems a shame to waste such a half assed effort. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with both sides of this. I believe we need updates BIG TIME, but I also believe Jerrel has no right blaming Kevan. He's probably a busy man. As for a strike: No. Plain and simple. Now, can we stop spamming Kevan's pages please? Kthzbye. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::What do we so badly need an update for? The game is well balanced and has a fairly complex and robust play. More fiddly little detail skills likely won't improve that play any, and won't draw in / hold onto more players. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 06:40, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
Why won't Kevan Reply back to this?<br />
<br>I know i was being kind of offensive to you Kevan, so sorry.<br />
<br> But would you mind telling me WHY you won't update the game?<br />
I mean, you gave us two new cities last year!<br />
<br> and i appriciate it, but the game hasn't been updated since 2008!<br />
so, if you don't mind, i would really like to hear what you have to say.<br />
<br> (And please don't flip out on me, even though I have been a jerk)<br />
<br> And i'm also apologizing for being a jerk too.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 01:33, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Making new cities brings in motherfuckin' cash money. Adding skills and what have you doesn't. Comprende? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:28, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:We had an update just 15 days ago! --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 08:55, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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WE DID NOT! LOOK AT THE FREAKING UD START PAGE! NO UPDATE-PREHENDA?----[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 04:18, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Erm, the [[April Fool's]] Day update, the one that happens every year? My god you're dense. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:01, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
<nowiki>*facepalms*</nowiki><br />
<br>Sorry kevan, i usually get all my updates from the game.<br />
<br>nothing unusual happened to me on april 1st though.<br />
<br>i think i'm losing myself.<br />
<br>I AUTHERIZE TOPIC SELF-DESTRUCTION!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 15:52, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:In a word: Fail. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:59, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::He spams Kevan's talk page with so much crap I want to take him to VB... {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:36, 19 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:::I still say kevan should get some people to help him run the game, its rather fun and large for one person ot have to run alone. Oh and I'm not saying me, no I'd abuse it by banning a 4rth of the game and making revives harder again.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 23:58, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Donated Characters == <br />
Any chance that the "This character is no longer affected by the IP limit." banner that appears on your profile if you have donated $5 could be shown to everyone that visits the profile, not just the owner of the profile.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:exhibitionist. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And proud.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I think there's people who would not want that. Maybe if it was an option you could allow / turn off via settingas? {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:39, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I'd have it say "This character has been donated for.", but really, it's basically just showing off – link to your wiki page from your profile and [[Template:Donated|show off there]]. Oh, and I think you meant to post this in [[Developing Suggestions]]. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 08:12, 20 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I would totally come back to just pk people who have donated.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 04:37, 26 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::You've left?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 16:17, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Standing Zombies ==<br />
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Kevan, I can't find the topic from last time around, but the borehamwood stats. Standing zombies means literally that doesn't it. Active zombies with greater than 0 hit points? Not just active zombie characters? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:52, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Question about the last Update ==<br />
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"Survivors are once again looting the long-abandoned seasonal storerooms of the city's shopping malls, to find lights and trees for their safehouses." I'm assuming Christmas season in Malton is really long then, just wondering what kind of in game explanation we could use, --[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:01, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:"The snow has subsided and survivors are ready to feel bad about themselves again". Not that an explanation matters. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 03:11, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
::No, it's just5 that it seems awkward ot explain why we are still getting christmas trees in the middle of spring thats all: and we might wanna get a explanation, or kevan could take them out in a mini-update.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 2 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Where to suggest technical issues? ==<br />
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I have gathered [[User:Tumu/GameTech|a list of technical issues]] which might need a look (as they have been unfixed since 2007), but they don't exactly fit the bug reports page either (not user visible/annoying issues). Would this be more appropriate place to get a review for them? --[[User:Tumu|Tumu]] 09:26, 25 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:They do seem unlike those that go to [[Bug Reports]], but I think the best place ''would'' be to take them there. I'm only suggesting that however because no one else has given you any direction, and I apoligise for that. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:57, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Noted; there do seem to be a few weird oversights in there. Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:14, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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::Speaking of weird things, is it intentional for Flesh Rotters to get the benefits while alive? I'd have thought that since they were alive, their flesh wasn't rotting, so they wouldn't get the Flak+Body Building effects while alive. I'd like to know, because I'm going to make a suggestion to have it that way if its current effect is intended. if it's not intended, then this can be moved to Bug Reports. Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:41, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Bub's in danger! ==<br />
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Just so you know, a page dedicated to your character [[Bub]] is up for deletion. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:51, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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Yeah kevan please come and save that great page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:20, 29 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== A few things ==<br />
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Firstly, about that MediaWiki upgrade. Sorry if I'm pestering you, it's just that it would be quite useful (an upgrade to Checkuser would be nice as well, I've seen screenshots of a later version and it looks like it streamlines the process a little.)<br />
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Secondly, a user asked me the other day (a few weeks ago) about a problem he was having in my chatbox:<br />
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{{Quote|VI|Link, I need haaaaalp! I'm trying to make a shoutbox, here. The problem: when I, to get rid of the horizontal scrollbar, use "overflo*w:auto" instead of "overflow:scroll" the wiki's spam filter won't let me use that code. I don't know if you can edit the spamfilter (I'm wiki illiterate), but do you know how I can fix this? Thanks a ton. VI 22:05, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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I confirmed it myself, and wrote<br />
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{{Quote|Linkthewindow|Hmm... that's really odd. I can't edit the spam filter (at least not what I know of,) but I need to as Kevan about something {*cough*MediaWiki upgrade*cough*) so I'll ask him then. For future reference, I'll need this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features page]. Linkthewindow Talk 22:29, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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Finally, and on a pedantic note, would it be okay if you could turn the Guides namespace into a proper one? So [[Talk:Guides:Shelter]] is rendered as Guides talk:Shelter. As far as I know, there are a few in the Guide: namespace too, so we'll have some moving to do if this is done (sysops, of course.)<br />
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Thanks for your time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:58, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:I second this nudge.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:03, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:"over<nowiki></nowiki>flow:auto" is a standard spambot trick for hiding all their links in a 1px div, which I think we were having trouble with a few years ago. The filtering is possibly hardcoded somewhere.<br />
:If there's general support for another namespace, point me at the discussion and I'll add it.<br />
:Updating MediaWiki is on the list, but below "update the actual game" at the moment. I'll fit it in when I can. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:12, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Okay, then thanks. It's not a big deal about the spam filter, I'll start a discussion at [[Talk:Guides]] (although I can't see it being a big deal) and thanks about the upgrade. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:15, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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Kevan will doo it! Also, happy very belated birthday (13 May?) assuming your Amazon wishlist is correct!<tt>:D</tt> --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:24, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Oh, and don't [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|forget about this]] <tt>;)</tt>. And happy belated birthday! Only one month late. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:24, 4 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Suggesting Suggestions Change ==<br />
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I want your opinion on a proposed change I have to the Suggestions Layout. I’d think it would be more efficient to have a normal suggestions area, a clothing suggestions area, and a humorous suggestions area, all with links listed one after the other on the main voting page. I also see the humorous suggestions layout is a bit confusing, and I would recommend splitting it into 2 parts, the funny and the non-funny, then splitting it into the many categories (areas of effect) under each heading. I’d also ask if the humorous suggestions voting process would become something similar to the normal process, with each suggestion open for 2 weeks, but no SPAM votes (just FUNNY or NOT FUNNY). Would this be a viable option? I’d think the layout changes should at least make it easier to find and view them all.<br />
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I would also like to know if there’s a process for suggesting that certain stuff be added to the Frequently Suggested section on the main voting area. There seem to be some common ones I’d like to have added to the list.<br />
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I also have a question about the normal voting process that only you can answer. Does SPAM=STRONG KILL? I see it’s still a common issue today, and it’s still debated if you can vote SPAM for a strong kill, or only vote SPAM if a suggestion is game-breaking or horribly unnecessary. Also, could you check the voting guidelines section and make sure it matches whatever your decision is? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:46, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:In too many years of wasted time here I don't recal Kevan ever directly commenting on suggestions (or indeed much of anything else) so I doubt he is going to start now. Personally I wouldn't worry about where a suggestion heads just so long as its not unjustly '''SPAMMED''' and that's pretty rare. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:51, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::He does things every once in a while, when it actually requires his attention. Normally his hands off approach works pretty well because we manage to handle everyhting.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:58, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Okay, well, what are your takes on this then?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 18:11, 23 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Huge Ruin bug could leave the whole of [[Borehamwood]] caded in less than a month. ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, <br />
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Wednesday night a member of my borehamwood survivor group did a very large suicide repair, when he logged himself back on, he found he had 50ap and the building was repaired.<br />
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Thursday night, I attempted my own suicide repair and yet again the same thing happened.<br />
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We've done a lot of suicide repairs and as such we know that these were the highest repairs we have attempted. And they both worked. To check our findings, we asked another survivor to repeat the experiment, to confirm our spadework was correct. <br />
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It was. Not only that, but this survivor was able to enact the repair, recade the building to ehb and then enact ANOTHER suicide repair, which left them BACK on 50ap. In fact the survivor managed to repeat this 6 times. With one character. In one day. Before the 300 IP for one character kicked in. <br />
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At this time 4 of us survivors know the exact technique, but at least 10 others are pretty close to working it out (AP levels etc). I reckon by sunday all 51 survivors will have worked it out.<br />
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As it stands the whole challenge of surviving borehamwood is moot. We can't do coma repairs on 99% of buildings without this happening, and Im not expecting zeds to hang around with this giant loophole. It also destroys the smugness us survivors have from surviving for 6 months. <br />
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All 4 survivors who do know the trick have currently stopped repairing buildings within the range, but I can't control the whole population.<br />
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At the minute survivors could repair the whole of NE Borehamwood, Radlett or Elstree in a day, 1 survivor could reclaim the big brother house on their own, <br />
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Apologies for the lack of screenshots, but with permadeath as it is, we don't want to give away our position. <br />
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It seems to be a dupe of the following case on bug reports. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Bug_Reports#Massively_negative_AP_causes_AP_reset<br />
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Apologies for posting it here, but I felt the game breaking nature of this bug warrants the intrusion. Let me know if you need more details. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Thanks. Building repair has now been temporarily disabled in Borehamwood and Monroeville, while this is fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:46, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::When you say massive repair, do you mean it's bringing you to under -255 AP? I could think of some weird wrapping thing happening when the AP gets too negative and it tries to make it positive or something, capping at the 50 AP norm. 255's the magic number for how large a single byte can represent. It's may have something to do with what type of data Kevin's storing AP with - integer, double, float, etc. (whoo edit conflicted by Kevan) --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:49, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::The cutoff point (Now its banned) is -150ap Any suicide repair that takes you below this value creates the reset. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::::Very strange... -150 to 50 is a range of 200, nothing particularly significant. Then again, I have no idea how Kevan coded AP regen. Now the big repair costs have come back to bite in an ironic kind of way, eh? :P --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:53, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Its quite a wide range. Theres probably been only a handful of such building in Malton's history. Borehamwood has a whole cities worth. If it takes a while kev can we have an amnesty in the cities? Those pesky zeds are always chewing on our cades. I wouldn't mind but I've only got one life. :).--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:55, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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:This bug has now been fixed, and repairs have been enabled again in the other two cities. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:08, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Thanks Kevan! Swiftly done I must say. May all your future updates be bug free.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:10, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Twenty minutes... I'm hella impressed. Thanks for fixing this. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 17:18, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Wut? But half way up are the oldest posts, then they go up, then they go down... Thsi page is confusing ...--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Pointless [[Borehamwood]] request == <br />
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Can we have a public broadcasting system too? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:57, 3 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks for updating ==<br />
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Just wanted to say thanks for updating the game, I realize it's probably not high on your list of priorities. I'm sure everyone who plays appreciates it. --[[User:Mike411|Mike411]] 00:25, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
: Same here, Thanks Kev --[[User:Imthatguy|Imthatguy]] 04:41, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|This bug]] ==<br />
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As promised, I'm just giving you a heads up regarding [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|this display error]] that happens when UDToolbar interacts with the new update. We suspected it was a clash between the UDToolbar's manual HP colouriser and the new update colouriser, and Moonshine was able to go through some code to try and give you a hand. You may have already seen it, but hopefully what Moonshine and others have done can help you. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 14:27, 6 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Grammar Error==<br />
Just so you know, there's a grammatical error in the Fort Transmitter broadcast message:<br />
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''You broadcast [message] on 25.97 MHz, the using the fort's secure channel.''<br />
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It isn't going to break the game or anything, but it does make it look a little... 'sloppy'. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 21:54, 5 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:There is a page to report these [[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead|here]]. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<big><u><span style="color:DarkSlateGray">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkBlue ">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkSlateBlue">ℜ</span></u></big>]] 03:30, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:18, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Open Discussion/Borehamwood How Was It For You?]] ==<br />
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Community opinions on Borehamwood Collected in one place. Hope it helps with future projects. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:07, 13 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Something that might give you a laugh... ==<br />
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Here I was bored and tired so I wrote this, I thought it might be funny and I think you may find it even more so given it's nature, [[Developing_Suggestions#TUCOK_-BBHHN-_.28The_United_Churches_Of_Kevan.29_-Blessed_be_his_holy_name- (The United Churches Of Kevan) -Blessed be his holy name-]] -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 09:16, 24 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Upgrading the wiki again ==<br />
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It's about that time of year. The wiki could use an upgrade, among the various features mentioned many times in the past that upgrading to a more up to date mediawiki version would provide as of [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] there is now a NewUsers log, which would be invaluable for catching throw away and vandal alt accounts like [[User:Izumi]] and [[User:3pwv]] used to use along with actually making user efforts to be welcoming like [[Welcomenewbie]] accountable and possibly useful. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] also brought in the ability to view deleted user contributions(instead of just the current ones) for sysops, the ability to omit diffs after rollback, and a fix at least one particularly exploitable checkuser bug that would allow users to screw with the ability for sysops to search the logs.<br /><br />I'd mention some of the features in previous version updates but I'm sure by now you're pretty well aware of them as it's been brought up many times in the past. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14], though, would significantly increase the ability for sysops to do their jobs when dealing with actual page vandalism and adbot spam along with helping the wiki, in general, run more smoothly from day to day.<small>([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.15 1.15])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.13 1.13])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.12 1.12])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.11 1.11])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.10 1.10])</small>--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:40, 1 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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== FYI re: "satellite phone" ==<br />
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Hi. So I recently wrote a Greasemonkey script that adds a "satellite phone" to the game. It's a simple messaging system with a user interface that embeds itself into the game, by modifying the rendered page in the user's browser, as Greasemonkey does. The thing does resemble the in-game mobile phone quite a lot, by design. Here's [[DSS Satellite Phone|more info]].<br />
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This was discussed in Brainstock [http://s1.zetaboards.com/brainstock/topic/2220895/], and some people complained about it. It was said that this unbalances the game, "overpowers" a game item, bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages. This wasn't a general opinion--I certainly find it all a bit silly--but someone then suggested that what should be done would be reporting it to you, letting you decide if this extension is improper somehow.<br />
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I thought that was sensible, so I'm "reporting myself," in a way. Just posting it here as an FYI, so you are aware of this. Cheers. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 09:15, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:Sounds like the same kinda nonsense that would see forums done away with for everyone that isn't a survivor. That thread reads very much like the person who started it did so with that intent in mind. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:00, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:: Hey that was me! I started that thread, you can clearly see my name :-( , I just started it as someone mentioned it in game and I was wondering about peoples views on it thats all.---[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 06:35, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::karek i have ''no'' idea what you're talking about whatsoever.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:18, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::''"bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages"'', the whole thread cited is mostly a few people complaining because they don't like metagaming, not particularly even regarding the tool in question. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:19, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::That being said, email tends to get a better response rate/time from him depending on the title/content/sender. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:24, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Right, cheers Karek. Thing is, I'm not really expecting a response, and I'm not comfortable spamming his mailbox with this. I really do think this is all rather silly. I'm sure the game will survive my script long enough for him to read this at his convenience here. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 06:14, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::From the sounds of it, it's just a script that facilitates metagaming. Like using MSN, or as we do, IRC... except done in-game. There's nothing zerg-tastic about it, nor does it collect data in ways that might be perceived as unfair, like DEMON or UDBrain. There's no reason to worry about what some git on Brainstock said (and BS is chock full of gits...), don't sweat it --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:20, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::::Wonder what they say about us :*( --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 07:15, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::::They don't think about us, because they're not aware we exist. Most BSers really aren't too aware that there's a whole big world of UD players outside their little board. Well, ok, I think many are vaguely aware that zombies have this forum called bar-something-dot-something. And I think most of them are aware of the DEM subgroup called Red Rum; but this subgroup was created to give the appearance of in-game competition, to get around Malton's strong antitrust laws, so it basically counts as part of their self-enclosed milieu. Finally, many of them have used the wiki, but none of them will ever admit it, it's ''that'' taboo a subject. But other than that, to BSers, there is little other than BS. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:25, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Hello Kevan. No one pestering you on this page for over a month? Crazy. Just wondering if you were planning anything for [[Borehamwood]]'s big first birthday? Its only 2 days away after all........--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I know! Blow it up! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Nuke the Big Brother House! Finally, some reality TV worth watching. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Or halve the size of monroeville everyday. No one would suspect that! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::-Let alone notice it. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 02:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Kill anything and everything in Malton. That would be a TRUE surprise.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'd be interested to see if survivors could recover. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 05:29, 27 October 2009 (BST)<br />
::Of course we could! It would take about two weeks, but we could easily do it. If you wan;t ill explain on a talk page other than the big bosses. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Tommy guns. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Halloween update timestamps ==<br />
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Seem to be missing on the new kill messages [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/11-01-09_0100hrs_PRIVATE/IN_62-14__954-071-ba1.html example] also confirmed broken without any extensions/scripts {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 02:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I realise this may very well be a feature of the halloween event but with the changing of the kill messages the missing timestamps are a bit strange, just making sure you're aware {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 04:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, it's not just a lack of timestamps. I've noticed that all of the ones that lack timestamps are also for people that are not at my location. For instance, in [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Anubis_IV/urbandead/halloween_change_bug.png this screenshot], the ones with timestamps are for people actually at my location, while none of the ones without them were people at my location (there were more actions under those, but they all had timestamps and were for people at my location). It's also interesting that some of the groups of events that took place repeat themselves a few times, and that "to talk" showed up as a contact of mine, despite the fact that he isn't. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::<s>i'm guessing it's part of the halloween event thingy, i thought the implementation of the weapon name killings screwed up because there's no period or timestamp following but now i think about it it actually makes sense to neglect them if you're going to mass fake kill people... OHEY IS THAT SOMETHING SHINY OVER THERE *runs* {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 06:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
:::This doesn't seem to be like april fools where everything is just a joke but rather quite the serious bug, they're actual events happening elsewhere in the city {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 11:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Fixed. Looks like there may have been some minor echoes from kills elsewhere in the city. It was a bug, but consider it an eerie halloween event. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Could I have a clarification, please? This bug didn't create events but some simply appeared in a different location from where they actually occurred. Correct? --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 12:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it was a bug, I can't be 100% sure. Don't kill anyone over it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::Awww, man... Alright, then! *grins* Fair enough! --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 05:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Question about Malton ==<br />
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Is Malton considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_borough metropolitan borough] and a city similar to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester Manchester] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool Liverpool] or is it considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_county metropolitan county] with each suburb being a metropolitan borough? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leave it to Akule to bring up a question like that. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I always thought of it as a city state. Like, I don't know, Monaco or something. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The same wiki that gives you the examples also gives the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malton,_North_Yorkshire answer]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::...yes, but I didn't think the fictional city of Malton was actually the real city of Malton. You know, based on the fact it is nothing [http://www.ryedale.co.uk/ryedale/malton/malton.html like it]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, there has been hints that it was based in England, but I was just curious to know how much of it was based on being located in England. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::You've never thought to know more about Malton? ;) --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::D'eh...MAYBE?!?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Borehamwood throws up even more questions, as being based on dead set IT IS based in england. Borehamwood has no gun stores in its shopping centres, and only 2 railway stations and supermarkets, so it would appear Malton IS somewhere different. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Strike time==<br />
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I am hearby requesting a striking of a ban from my vandal record as i have reached the requirements as per policy. I will be placing this request on an assortment of your peers talk pages so as to insure that this time, my striking isn't mysteriously postponed so as to further tarnish my record despite no wrong doing on my part. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 15:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Update-ah==<br />
So, what's the word on the updates being done to the wiki? Just making sure you don't forget ;) --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 18:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass >:| {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Are you in support of the Copenhagen Summit?==<br />
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Bascially I'm asking if we're having snow this year. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It's on its way. And I'm fairly comfortable with the carbon footprint of a zombie apocalypse. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers. I was wondered that the server itself was snowbound, swindon being as cold as it is. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Just realised how badly this might screw perma death survivors. Hmm. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Hmm. How long is '''temporary''' Kevan? How many hours do they take to fade? Also some of the fields in permadeath cities don't look that snowy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:17, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I can confirm this. Only one of the field colours has turned white.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's random, but averages to six hours. Fields should be fixed now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::The fields are fixed.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Any chance of bloody snow for outdoor deaths? --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 02:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::it exists check it out [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/12-22-09_2100hrs_PRIVATE/OUT_15-78__210-11a-044.html] "thick snow splashed with blood" "Blood <br />
soaks into the snow." --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 02:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== urbandead.org ==<br />
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I presume you have probably seen this but it looks like a phishing site for peoples log in, just thought I inform you of it incase you want to take action.--[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 01:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
: If you check out the "revive que" there are [[MoB]] members as well as this gentlemen [[User:GasCandle]] who is banned from editing the wiki. I didn't dig much further into the "revive list" once I saw that gentlemen. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I looked a little further and the /whois looks made up http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.org which is why a few people have mentioned it might be a scam. --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 02:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::The person who created the suspicious website has changed it. If you want to see screenshots from before it was changed, or see his explanation, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Ripf22|the A/VB case]]. --{{User:Jasonjason/sig}} 22:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Spawning]]==<br />
Just finished writing an article on it. I have a question that I can't really find out from spadework. If there were no Necrotech's in Malton below Heavily Barricaded, where would new Necrotech Assistant's spawn?<br />
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Also, UD is still only copyrighted until 2009 and I discovered a grammatical error I posted on the relevant page. Thanks. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Typos fixed. Under the current code, NecroTech staff would just start on the streets somewhere. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 08:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers fearless leader. I wish you well with the April 1st update. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 08:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hey, lazybones! ==<br />
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When the fuck are you going to get around to fixing the Goddamn game? Love 'n' kisses --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 08:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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While you're at it, try to get urbandead popular again, the number of active characters is starting to drop below 20000, maybe it's time for some advertising, eh? --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Urban Dead might be popular if it wasn't such a broken game! What with the radical, nigh-unplayable imbalance that makes it utterly pointless to play a zombie. Oh, and that worthlessness carrying over to making it such a breeze to play a survivor. I mean there's absolutely no point in being a survivor when you can just stroll around the city without risking your neck. I mean even a large, dedicated horde of zombies (of which the game has, like, ''two'') can't hold back one tenth their number in survivors.<br />
:For a zombie apocalypse game, there are fuck all zombies and there is fuck all apocalypse. The only way anyone really has fun is either griefing or sitting around roleplaying all day. And who the fuck can grief properly when the game is a buggy, unfinished pile of shit that makes it literally impossible for one of the sides to win? Not to mention that if all you're doing in game is roleplaying, what's to stop you from just doing it on a forum? Oh wait, nothing whatsoever, which is why the fucking unofficial forums for this game have more action than the game itself.<br />
:Urban Dead is broken, Kevan shows no interest in even ''looking into'' the billions of problems it has, so you're better off closing your browser and playing Left 4 Dead or something. Y'know, that's the zombie apocalypse game where the survivors face a credible threat that can't simply be trounced by locking a door and pushing a vending machine in front of it. '''FIX THE FUCKING GAME.''' --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:38, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Have you chaps considered that you're horrifically ungrateful for a ''free'' game that's meant to be a 5 minute distraction? --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Some of us have actually given money to this game, by the way. It's not unheard of that people do pay for things online. If he removes the DONATE button then maybe we won't "have the right" to complain anymore, but until then I and others are paying customers wanting some damned customer service. But you keep that smug attitude because I'm sure it's helping you go far in life!--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not ungrateful, but I'd like to continue to play urbandead which I won't be able to do if the numbers of players keep dropping forcing Kevan to eventually pull the plug. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Well this "chap" thinks that if you're going to release something for public consumption, it shouldn't '''suck'''. The fact remains that the game is unbalanced, which makes it unfun. If, say, World of Warcraft made it so that the Horde had 1/10th the hit rate of the Alliance, Blizzard would be fucking crucified. Free or not, lousy design is lousy design. I'm not saying this out of ''entitlement'' or anything retarded like that, I am saying it as someone who wants to play the game without being gimped to fuck just because I want to be a zombie instead of a survivor. Of course, the alternative is for me (and the thousands of others who feel this way) to stop playing a game that is basically designed at the very basest level to screw us over. Then, WHOOPS! Goodbye donations and ad revenue! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 23:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I actually think that what 'ruined' the game (at least balance wise) was zombies... The very fact that they sucked to play forced people to either leave or organize, net result mega hordes that were basically unstoppable and forced buffs for survivors to give them a chance while making it even less rewarding to play a feral zed. To all intent and purpose this game has more sides than it was ever designed for. We have survivors and zombies but each of those are split into different play styles which the mechanics struggle to balance. Basically survivors are better at killing other survivors than zombies are and zombies often end up killing other zombies more than actual survivors. Hell, some survivors max out without even seeing a zombie and the game set-up makes it an unrewarding struggle to level a new character in a city full of veterans. At the end of the day I think this game needs to evolve before it dies.... New (short lifespan) cities are probably the best way forwards in my opinion because the early days with their actual struggle to survive against 'equals' are great fun, the sense of discovery of a new place also really adds spice too. But hey, too many people seem attached to their maxed characters that they hardly ever play anymore to even contemplate such a thing! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I think most of us will agree that ''something'' needs to be done, which is exactly what isn't happening or at least it seems that way. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Maybe fixing the '''ABYSMAL''' hit rates for zombies might help. I mean, ''supposedly'' I have a 30% chance of hitting with a bite attack against a given target for 1 AP. Now, I can easily spend (and have spent) 15 AP and only hit on that last, 15th attempt. What are the chances of this happening? Mathematically, you say it was (3/10)^15, or a 0.000001% chance. That isn't "bad luck", that goes beyond "bad luck" and into the realms of "your coding is so shitty if I saw it I would try to flush". There is actually more chance of me rolling the same number 10 times in a row on a regular six-sided die than there is of me missing that many attacks. But it happens, it happens frequently, and it's one of the billion reasons why this game needs a severe overhaul, and/or someone competent working on it. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 02:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::No one cares about your opinion. But is that why you've resorted to spamming Kevan rather than stick to your own 'zombie improvements' in your userspace; you realise no one cares anymore? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 02:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
Katthew actually makes some damn good points rather than resorting to ad hominem. [[Groove Theory]] would not be possible with a properly implemented RNG, but [[Bug Reports#Groove Theory is working again|oh, whoops]]! Also, Honestmistake, what game are ''you'' playing? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 10:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:These days? Mostly Bobwars (wigbl.com)... What exactly is it you don't agree with in my post though? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Sadly, I kinda agree with Honest, feral zombies have it extremely hard these days. They need to follow hordes around or just lay around and wait for destruction in their suburbs. Once the horde is gone though, their goes the bulk of your food. Its almost beneficial nowadays to be a killer or a survivor and thats it (assuming your not in a horde). --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 15:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Or just sit tight. Even a modest number of zeds can keep most buildings ruined. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I demand that the game be "fixed" so that those who can't get laid will have something to do before and after they masturbate! HELP THEM, KEVAN! You're their only hope... --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 17:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Well looky, a whole cluster fuck load of whining.<br />
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Want more people to play? Go and fucking recruit them yourselves. Don't ask Kevan to fork out even more from his own pocket so that your enjoyment of this free game is improved. You spend the money. You put the work in. Alternately you all could shut the fuck up.<br />
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Want some changes? The FAQ says quite clearly to put them through the suggestions system rather than whine here like a bunch of fucking fort dwellers. Want Kevan to build you your own city to your own ideas? He's done it before for distribution companies, just do the same thing they did. Pay the man. Kevan's a professional, pay him his hourly rate if you want something. You're entitled to shit for free. He's nice enough to continue to let the game be played for free, so let's say enough with the comparisons to the money gouging and spyware installing World of Warcrack. Ask the man nicely how much your own city would be, plus an hourly rate for any bugs that appear, plus a negotiated set figure of each major update. Then go have a bake sale, car wash or just start selling organs on the black market and give Kevan the money for the work you want him to do.<br />
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Put your money where your whining is. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Back when I was an admin and I moderated the Suggestions page with an '''IRON FIST''', it was still a worthless piece of shit. These days it is approximately fifty gajillion times more useless and shitty. Kevan doesn't read it any more than he reads any other section of this wiki, not even just because he's lazy as sin, but also because they're not worth reading. Also, I've already dragged people into this game. Maybe you remember [[The Dead]]? You know, the 10,000-strong superhorde that practically ''wrecked the entire fucking game?'' All me, bitch. I got that shit ''going''. Because unlike you, I am one proactive motherfucker who doesn't sit around doing shit-all.<br />
:So don't you fucking talk to me about recruiting people to play this game, you measly-mouthed little cumstain. I brought in more than you could possibly imagine with that withered rectum you call your brain. But hardly any of those people stayed around. Do you know why? Because '''''THEY GOT TIRED OF PLAYING A BROKEN PIECE OF SHIT GAME WHERE THEIR CHOSEN SIDE WAS DELIBERATELY NERFED AND FUCKED OVER AT EVERY CONCEIVABLE TURN.''''' That is what killed The Dead, you scurrilous prick-hungry cockholster - the fact the game '''sucks'''. We weren't beaten by any survivor group, we never even considered any survivor group to be more than the metaphorical bug on the windshield. Ten thousand zombies, motherfucker, and even with the ridiculously low hit rates, nonexistent RNG and inverse XP curve, we ruined your pathetic little world. If it hadn't been for all the flaws that UD has, driving away almost every single new player we drafted in, we'd have killed every last survivor in the city and turned it into a true zombie apocalypse.<br />
:So fuck you a million times up your gaping, cavernous asshole. I know what I'm talking about, and I know more about what ''you're'' talking about than you could ever hope to. Now sit the fuck down while the grown-ups have their chat, sweetie. We'll get you some crayons and glue, so you can cram them into your snotty orifices until you suffer fatal brain damage. Kiss kiss! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Awww, poor cutie, is it too much if someone disagrees with you? I see you missed the major point, given you're ''so'' proactive and have such a large group of minions, why haven't you rallied them to donate a sum of money so that you can pay Kevan to make the game that you believe is fair? It's a very simple question. Kevan works for money, as proven by Borehamwood and Monroeville, if you want a map with your 'improvements' incorporating then you have to provide the same incentive that two distribution companies already did. Shouldn't be hard, after all you are ''"one proactive motherfucker"''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::There are points on both sides, but Katthew wins for making me laugh more than Is's logic makes sense.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkTurquoise">Big</span>]][[User:Cyberbob240/Classifications|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> Cat</span>]] 08:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, what killed the Dead was all the whining survivors that couldn't handle a "zombie apocalypse" and needed the syringe find rate to be upped to almost 100%. But come on, Katthew, don't be a bitch. Little Issy's Mall Tour had what 300 zombies? Awwwww, that was the same number as the Central horde of the Dead. You know, back when it was winding down and most people wanted to be in the East or West coast Hordes. But, no, I'm sure he knows all about running big bad zombie hordes. I'd really like to know how much money The Dead generated for Kevan with ad revenue and people buying no IP limit. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Feeling left out DCC? Never mind, go create yourself a couple of new accounts to agree with yourself, that'll make you feel better. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Good gum, you're actually still whining. How clear does this have to be? '''Kevan doesn't owe you jackshit'''. It's a browser game that is '''free to play''' and pretty cool if you spend about 5-15 minutes on it. If you want a game that you can put all of your obsessive time into, then go ''buy'' one. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: As for the whole "I donated, so he '''owes''' me", the key is in the name; ''donation''. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Massively pointless question #95==<br />
The "Are you sure?" Messages received when you A) Attempt to buy brain rot, and B) Attempt to jump from a building. Do they count towards your IP hits? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm going to say yes to the first (as it reloads the map screen) and no to the second as it's on the skills screen. The IP hits total is only known to count on the map screen, not on skills, settings or profile screens. Unless Kevan says different. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::oh, and I demand another easter egg hunt. Perhaps with bunnies this time around. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:03, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If he gets a hunt for chocolate eggs I want a button that allows me to nail sanctimonious pricks to trees as it's a much older tradition for this time of year. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:19, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::''Iscariot makes sly comment about organised religion.'' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:08, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: I'd like to see zombies replaced with rabbits for a day. Stronger bite! EAR DAMAGE. Hop for 1AP --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Settling a bet==<br />
While you're here reading this, settle a bet for me, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARapture&diff=1683378&oldid=1683265 do you enjoy all the money that zergers provide you?] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:00, 30 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you're asking whether I give any leniency to players who've donated, when they've done something that would merit a character being disabled - no, I don't. Donation status doesn't factor into any of the alt-abuse or banning scripts. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:01, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::I think the players in question are working off the assumption that them having more characters means more views of the ads connected in the game and that equals more money for you. It wasn't meant to question your impartiality at all, just a question of economics when connected to the game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:35, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::No, this isn't a consideration when banning characters. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:08, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Game updates==<br />
I'm sure things are updated regularly, for maintance, ect.,.... things that wouldn't normally be reflected in the game updates. Just out of curiosity, what is the current status of the "Game Updates" though? I noticed there seems to be a lack of them here latly (not that it's a bad thing, or that I mind), it's just that I was curious as to your thoughts, and opinions on the subject.... -{{User:Poodle_of_doom/signiture}} 04:27, 7 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==April Fools?==<br />
A couple days before April Fools i was surfing the wiki and decided to look it up. The pranks there were hilarious! Especially the 2008/2009 ones. I couldn't wait to see what would come out next. But nothing happened and the wiki said you didn't do anything. Any specific reason? And yes i know Kevan is busy and yes i know we're thankful its a free game i'm just curious --{{User:Gt71/Sig}} 21:52, 27 April 2010<br />
:I was actually halfway through some other updates in late March, and decided against diverting any of that development time for an April Fool's joke. In the end, I didn't have time to put anything live - April's been busy, but I hope to get back to those main updates in the next week or so. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:37, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
::Excellent. Kevan, as you're here, with the perma death cities is it fair to assume all updates are carried over into all three citys? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:22, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Pretty much. If a mechanic would unduly unbalance remaining gameplay in the other cities I'd make them exempt from it, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:29, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hey Kevan==<br />
What's up? How are things in the real world? I haven't been around Urban Dead that often in the past few weeks, but it seems like little has changed... aside from the survivor/zombie ratio being the worst it's been in years, but that's besides the point. <br />
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On that note, would you happen to have an opinion on the "[[Escape]]" gathering in western Malton? <br />
Just thought I'd say hi, --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 07:36, 5 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Open Accounts==<br />
Currently, in Woodborne NT in Owsleybank, there are a few characters with names that make it blindingly obvious that they're open. Their names are [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1012934 mypasswordispassword], [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1743445 mypasswordispenis], and [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1367615 mypasswordishelpme]. Knowing your stance on open or communal accounts, I decided to bring them to your attention. --[[User:Shank Case|Shank Case]] 02:06, 25 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== June 1 ==<br />
It seems appropriate on this date of great expectation (Read that: ESCAPE) to reflect on a simple fact; I have taken many hours of pleasurable distraction from your game. I have enjoyed meeting people from around the world and the various schemes and factions they have created using your game as a springboard for their own creativity. While I live in New England, I have traveled to the other side of the globe and yet-I can honestly say I "know" more people around the world as a result of this little game then in all those thousands of miles of travel. So while I have "contributed" it would seem at least good manners to say thank you for what you have done. I have only been playing for close to a year, and I hear many folks voicing opinions about the "state of the game". I just thought it might be appropriate to suggest that the reason they feel so strongly about it is because it is a flexible well designed system that has added millions of hours of gaming to people worldwide. So, thanks for your efforts and creativity.--[[User:Belisarius17|Belisarius17]] 04:50, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Nudge ==<br />
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That pre April updates taking its time now. The anticipation is killing me. There's some discussion going on about changes to Monroeville. Is it something you would consider, or as it was sponsored by others are your hands tied about what you can do with it? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:57, 26 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:Well UD's 5th birthday is coming up on July 3rd, we can cross our fingers and hope it's the update we've been waiting for. I hope it's another Easter Egg hunt, but with potatoes! -- [[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 07:27, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
::my paper hat is a bit battered. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:49, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Happy Birthday! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:51, 3 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Update me already.... :) -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:32, 9 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Radio Filter ==<br />
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Apparently, the radio filter also affects the military channel (25.96MHz). There any way to disable it on this station? {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 19:46, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:Teehee. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:48, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Muhahahahaha. Is it [[The Mycock Building|Mycock]] ? shits so [[ALiM]]. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::ps wtf is this radio filter and where did it come from? user made or kevan made? etc etc{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:39, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If you broadcast something vulgar, it will replace the word with *static*. It's been this way since the introduction of radios. The problem is that many buildings contain the word cock, and thus can't be broadcast. It's been brought up before, but they didn't mention the EMR channel. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 06:51, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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Epic design flaw fail! If only Kevan didn't have such a dirty mind! --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 11:17, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Offensive in-game names? ==<br />
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Are there any rules re what one can name their character? Are there not ''any'' limits? I recently ran into NIGGERHATER88 (yes, all capitalization - that's a copy/paste) and they're not a new character by any means - really? Really?! --[[User:Swingin' Sam|Swingin&#39; Sam]] 19:00, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you don't like someone, kill them. It shuts them up in real life, why wouldn't it work here? --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 19:07, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:fuck off it's a free game suck it the fuck off or go play wow. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:10, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Just for your information, 88 means HH — the Hitler salute. This guy is definitely a Neo-Nazi.<br />
::If Kevan isn't going to ban him, then killing him is the way to go. Just treat him like a [[Ignore List|text rapist]]. I'm against PKing in general, but such despicable people deserve it.<br />
::And the above poster could benefit from [[Civility]] as well. -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 22:04, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I just love you militant anti-nazi types. You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs ''is fascism itself''. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means ''allowing'' people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:12, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Or more likely, he's simply a troll. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, for the reasons Mis outlined. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:17, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::^ --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 00:18, 21 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::<3 mis. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:48, 22 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Deadline ==<br />
[[Image:Emot-argh.gif|100px]] --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:22, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:{{Quote|Buzz Lightyear|You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.}}<br />
:[[Big Bash 3|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-size: 80%">&hearts;</span>]] [[User:MoonShine|<span style="color:Black">'''Moonie'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:MoonShine|Talk]] | [[User:MoonShine/Testimonials|Testimonials]]</sup></small> 12:51, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::<span title="He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's pro-zombie, as it obviously needs to be.">I disagree. He can take as long as he wants. He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's fair and balanced.</span> --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 20:20, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Two Months later, Kevan responds by implementing [[20070314_Zombie_Rocket_Launchers|Zombie Bazookas]].--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 20:31, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Noes! Still, I don't think working with a deadline is a good idea if your not going to keep it. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:39, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::He must have had a problem coding [[Suggestion:20100616 Binocular Sniping|Binocular Sniping]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:40, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hate\Race based groups ==<br />
What are your views on Urban Dead being used by Hate groups ?<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Combat_18<br />
With the user using imagery in attempt to bring race into the game. Eg: <br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Cornholioo<br />
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I don't this is the actual RL group, just some pathetic little teen with anger issues. But still ? Should we look forward to the arrival of the KKK. Al Queda(?), Black Power, Mongrel Mob and the Care Bears ?<br />
--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 20:36, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Look just two headers above this. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::Why ? - this isn't about offensive names in-game as I email those to Kevan. Its about losers spewing their race\religion hate in the wiki thinking that they have the "right to". Didnt some of pH get banned for the 9\11 phased crap in game ?<br />
:From what I gathered of the YouTube video Cornholioo posted, it does look like Combat 18 is an actual, real life neo-Nazi group. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:15, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::They are. There was an old Louis Theroux doc on them. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:17, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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Shall I make the Red Hand Commando's\Real IRA\Al Qeada pages now then and target any British\US based group ?--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:04, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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{{Quote|Misanthropy|You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs is fascism itself. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means allowing people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose.}}<br />
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::::Jesus its like talking to school children. This isn't real life, this isnt a political arena, people have no politcal rights here. This is a game and what Kevan says gos.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:10, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::Yes it is like talking to school children. In five years has anyone ever been banned for anything other than zerging? No. Not once. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:16, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::This isn't about ingame characters (Also back in 05 I beleive offensive names were also nuked) this is about the wiki policy on HateGroups. The wiki is different to ingame as a user can contact any group or individual in a split second? and post there hate imagery\text on any page. Yet there is no policy only the rustling of paper under the false pretence any user here actually has any rights at all.. --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:29, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::If it's about the wiki then you'll get nowhere, there's not a single sysop corrupt enough to ban users/groups based solely on their beliefs. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:32, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Well obviously thats why I'm posting here as this isn't real life so a users beliefs don't come into it, but what they post on wiki pages. Being non-white I take offense at that and the wiki administartion deosnt appear willing to act --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:44, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::We are not going to act. We're not going to ban groups based on content. [[Columbine Kids]], [[Nazi Party of Malton]], etc, etc, have not been banned, nor will this one. Yes it is offensive to people. So is the insult "faggot" but nothing has ever been done about its usage, nor about a million and one percieved wrongs. All you have to do is simply ignore the one sole user causing your offense, and he's liable to end up getting himself banned anyway, or he'll wander off due to not being given the attention he craves. Asking for the rules to be different for one group of users than for another is just wrong. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:49, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm asking for Kevans opmnion , not yours otherwise I would have posted on your talk page.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:51, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::As much as we'd all love to see less hate here,... you're arguing against one of the wiki janitors,... you know, the guys who take care of this place on Kevan's behalf... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:55, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::Yes I have seen the sterling work you perform on his behalf, however I dont think there is a difference between a) banning a user ouright (Where race hate has no place in a simple game(not real life)) and b)Or saying he id allowed his views but then have wiki administrators trolling the user with a view to entrapping him into a rant, thus leading him to his ban. I would have thought a janitors role was to be impartial and not provoke a user knowing how he will react--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 09:56, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::I agree with some of your sentiments and I understand your concern about some of the ops and their behaviour going against a role model status on the wiki- but situations like this only prove that a sysop- janitor as you say- is exactly that- a regular user with the buttons only given to those entrusted not to misuse it- it's been a long lost fact to this wiki that sysops are still regular users, and should behave as such, which is why using sysop status as a symbol of authority over another user is serious misconduct. Do I give Cornholioo a hard time? For sure, but that's not so I can just go to A/VB and force his banning- I abstain from conflict of interest situations such as his recent banning because I know that following through my pestering actions with bias as a mod is abuse. The ops aren't specifically here to be looked up to, although I still understand where you're coming from and I partially agree that Cornholioo is getting a hard time compared to any other user in terms of sysop bias. I do think it's a shame this perceived bias is being overlooked by the community just because of the user in question. I was surprised the amount of ops who said yes to his permaban, and it's worth noting that the sysops who pester and bait him the most were the ones who voted no to the perma. Typically a perma is only for someone who is literally just trying to break the wiki on a regular basis, not someone who gets baited weekly, and if that was your assessment of the vote I agree with you. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:30, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Invitation==<br />
{{RIAC Invitation}}<br><br />
You know you want to find a group and join.... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:57, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mediawiki Update (2) ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, just to let you know [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Update the Wiki Software (2)|this policy]] requesting a mediawiki has been passed. It asks if you can go up to 1.15.4 but the newest version (which came out while this went voting) is 1.16.0 and if you could find some time to upgrade that would be awesome. =) Thanks from us all. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:25, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Another note that image undeletion is enabled by default on the new software. Enabling image undeletion will increase disk usage (as "deleted" images won't really be deleted, but hidden,) so you might want to consider disabling it and keeping the status quo. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:12, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Virus Advertisement ==<br />
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Um... Kevan, I'm not sure if it's your concern, but one of the advertisements in the UD log-in screen is probably a hacking scam.<br />
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The advertisement, for a game called "Slum City Enforcer" lead to this link http://www.iwon.com/dl/index.jhtml?theme=slumcity2&partner=ZLxdm256&spu=true&sub_id=1579&clickid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000&ce_cid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000<br />
When I clicked on Play Now for the game, it tried to download a trojan, which my anti-virus caught. <br />
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I really hope you can block this bad ad from Urban Dead. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 03:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If I'm not mistaken, the UD site, and wiki, tend to make use of Google Ads,... which help generate profit for the site. That said, there is very little Kevan could probably do about it, aside from removing the ads themselves. That said,... that would be counter productive. I hope Kevan gets back to you though.... He probably knows more about it than what I do. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 04:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:: It is based on google advertisement, I used to get so much stuff for Umbrella's when I was in Umbrella and then UBCS. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 06:00, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::The last time we were hit with malicious ads (The urbandead.org phishing site bought out the wiki sidebar) an administrator contacted the ad agency and had them remove the ads. If you're sure that this is a malicious link, file a report with [http://www.google.com/ads/adwords/ Google Ads]. You've experienced what happened, so you're best suited to explain why this is a bad link.<br />
:::Also, I spammed refresh on one of the screens that displayed ads, and this site never came up. There's a chance it's already been reported and/or expired. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 06:57, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::[http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/iwon.com/summary/ McAfee seem to think it's okay], for a debatable value of "okay", but I've blocked it from my sites on the off-chance. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:34, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: Thank you Kevan! You're awesome. --[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 23:25, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==<s>Early August</s> Mid August.==<br />
That is all. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:30, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:The more you bug him, the more he'll put it off!!! You're tiring him! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:32, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::It takes 5AP to read his talk page, and a game update is like a 500AP suicide repair.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:33, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Brilliant man.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:45, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Pretty sure I just fucking jizzed -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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/thread -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Because I can't think of another place to put it ==<br />
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I am formally lodging a complaint that this game, the city of malton and this wiki, have a decidedly and unfair British/English/insert other term Bias in terms of names, time, spelling, ect.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:19, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If the fact that Kevan, the servers, and the town Malton are all based in england, counts as "unfair", then I guess you're right!!! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 01:22, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I have other ''Complaints'' as well but they are trivial or realistic mostly. And yes that is the exact problem, we should remedy this somehow.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:24, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::By buying Kevan new servers and a new house? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:25, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::: Nonsense we will just begin housing them with you Mis. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:27, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::We could house him in say, Australia.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:28, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::I dunno I like the idea of moving him to Ireland with me. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:30, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::: I don't know Mikalos has a point, lets send him and the servers to Australia, then when Grim throws his next coup he literally can just walk away with the hardware :D --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:34, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::Grim lives in Australia?--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:37, 18 August 2010 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=1761042User talk:Kevan2010-08-18T00:28:57Z<p>Mikalos209: /* Because I can't think of another place to put it */</p>
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==Three Minutes...==<br />
...Since anyone last commented you on here. Very upsetting. How's everything going with the game? Is everything good?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:What are you talking about? Scroll down to the bottom, haha. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:42, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:You're a funny one. Also, the page's confusing because Kevan doesn't state to put new stuff at the bottom or top, unfortunately, so people go with wherever their own preference is. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:59, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::I tend to look for a trend. Unfortunately, it turns out that the trend i followed only applied for the two posts i read.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 20:06, 13 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville Badges==<br />
Just so you know there are survivors (although very few) that are still roaming around in Monroeville. It would be nice if you could give some kind of emblematic badge of appreciation for the few that made it this far. I hope thats not asking too much, but for staying alive this long its quiet a feat to accomplish and deserves some kind of reward.<br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 02:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Monroeville Airlift==<br />
Hi Kevan,<br />
I am one of the few remaining survivors in Monroeville. With the Christmas update being implemented, I was curious to know if I set up a Christmas tree and some lights in a building for a few days, would a Helicopter come by and take my character to Malton? I don't want to do something in vain that could end up killing my character that has survived for ten months... <br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 06:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:hey Evildiehard, i'm The Last Unlucky Guy, we were in harvey's group together, i like that idea, can i get in on it too? Getting my character out of Monroeville would be great, i've grown too attached to him and if i got killed, especially after going solo, and survivng for this time, it would really suck :( --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==clothing suggestions==<br />
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Hi, long time no see. I've got another question about clothing. I see that you haven't implemented any new clothing for almost a year and the pages in question are receiving little to no traffic. Are you still in need of new Clothing ideas [[Clothes/Suggestions|Suggestions]] or can I close the page and move everything into their relevant archives?--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Will donate for awesome clothing ==<br />
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Basically, I was just wondering that if I donated $50AU or something, that maybe you might code in some blood-proof clothing, just for moi? I mean, it's a decent chunk of funds as all... --{{User:Medico/sig}} 01:30, 26 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Broken Wiki page ==<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1271116&oldid=1270525<br />
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The page I want is the last edit that I made for if, and I have no idea what went wrong. Someone directed me here... --<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span></font><sup> [[User_talk:Haliman111|T]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 00:44, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Iwitness typo==<br />
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Got really bored, and noticed there was a typo.<br />
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"What does it mean if a record is PUBLIC or PRIVATE?<br />
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Public records are just that- anybody can (if they take the time to look) find them and look at the information they contain. Private records are hidden in directories whose contents are not open to the public view, and the random number string appended to the end of the file name makes it impossible for anybody to find them through luck or accident. "Private" records are in fact so hard to locate that if you don't record their location, '''you'll never them again'''. That's OK when you just want to share a quick secret with some friends in a private chat room or secure forum, though- just copy the link and paste it somewhere you and you friends can find it, but others will not see it!<br />
User accounts do provide a way to retrieve all of the private records a user creates while logged into that account, so while still quite private, they are not going to vanish. User accounts also potentially allow for other levels of security; all of these are essentially private records that only certain people can see, or which do not display all of the details of the record in order to protect the privacy and safety of "innocent bystanders". <br />
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http://www.urbandead.info/iwitness/iwitness_FAQ.php#security<br />
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--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup></font> 15:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Check your talk page, {{usr|Haliman111}}. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:36, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Suicide Repair ==<br />
Most of the time it isn't easy to let a building reach the higher levels of decay and takes the effort of multiply zombie players. Lately as more buildings reach higher level of decay we see a raise in suicide repairs. Where survivors just spent all their AP and more to repair a long time ruined building and prepare to get eaten and revived. If suicide repairing was not what you where going for with the implemention of decay, please consider changes like: <br />
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a)Make it impossible to spent more AP on repairing than are left to this character, and probably setting a cap at 45AP as a maximum for decay. <br />
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or b)Repair only removes some part of the decay level and not all at once. Probably like tearing down barricades.<br />
--[[User:Experiment211|Experiment211]] 21:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I second option B. Option A could be exploited by people who wait until they have 2 or 3 AP left before running in to repair for 1 or 2 AP. B makes a lot of sense, I think. --[[User:Drugsanimudongs|Drugsanimudongs]] 17:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Errr... I read your suggestion wrong, Experiment211. Ignore my exploit theory! I still support B, though.<br />
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== Database error on the wiki ==<br />
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I have been getting the following message after making edits: <br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry '20534' for key 1 (localhost)".<br />
Retrieved from "http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category_talk:Historical_Groups"<br />
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The edits seem to be working, however. This bug just took place twice on the Historical Groups Talk/Voting page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:13, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I just got one on the same page. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ditto. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:06, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Happened to me too today.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:57, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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Is also appearing when searching brain rot in the Suggestions and Talk Suggestions namespaces.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Erg. I've had some server trouble lately, I'll take a look at it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:21, 27 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yesterday it was still doing this... It's rare as of late, it seems-- it was happening with almost every edit for a bit there -- but it *did* happen yesterday again.... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
:::Just hit the same after searching for brain in images. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:21, 3 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I've repaired the database, it should be okay now. Let me know if any error messages still creep through, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==A Little Idea for Group Affiliations==<br />
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I've had an idea and would like to submit it for your consideration. Would it be possible to add in the option of a URL link added to a player's group affiliation, a la the current system with the 'Real Name' links? This would be very useful for players looking to join a group and for groups looking to recruit players, especially zombie groups who lack the ability to spray-paint places without death-culting. Whilst the RN link is used by some, myself included, for recruitment, more likely than not the majority will simply not bother clicking it after the first few times they have done that on a profile have taken them to YouTube songs or Rick-rolls. A link under the group affiliation would draw more desirable attention. <br />
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There are two ways in which I could see this working: The first is to have the group affiliation act in the same way as the Real Life link, with the player choosing the URL; the second would be to have the GA act as the list of confirmed groups on the stats page does: An automatic link to the wiki page of said confirmed group. My personal belief is that the latter would be the superior option, so as to avoid abuse via unsavoury links which would undermine trust in the system (this is of course going under the assumption that you have a system which makes the links appear automatically on the stats page, rather than having to add them all in yourself of course).<br />
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Just my thought for the early morning. <br />
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Regards. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 04:37, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Please make your suggestions here: [[:Category:Current Suggestions]]. Seriously Moloch, you have been around long enough to know how suggestions are handled. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:40, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::FWIW, my personal version of 'ActOnProfile' already modifies the group name to be a link to the wiki page for that group. Its pretty handy, even if just to find out the group has no page. A fancier GM script could easily determine if the page actually exists, and not make it a link if it doesn't, which would be nice. Server side code could likely do the same thing better. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:02, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Copyright question ==<br />
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after playing Urban dead I had an idea making it into a warcraft 3 map and before I release 1: may I release a map made by maps and the same idea of urban dead and with its name/s 2: are there any requires you want? for example I could advertise for the site every 5 mins(I can have the map do that for me)I have all ready given credit to Urban dead and if you want I can give direct credit to you also<small>—The preceding {{wikipedia|Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages|unsigned}} comment was added by [[User:Undeadpope|Undeadpope]] ([[User talk:Undeadpope|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Undeadpope|contribs]]) 23:42, 6 August 2008.</small><br />
:l2english.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:34, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:If it's clearly presented as an unofficial fan project, and isn't making any money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:51, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==IP hits and construction==<br />
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If I repair a badly damaged building (15ap etc.) Is that one IP hit or 15? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:32, 9 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'd be one. it's a measure of how many times you refresh the map page not ap. The only exception (as far as i'm aware) is syringe manufacture which is 20.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I thought i was getting more than my regular action. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:32, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Is that confirmed or just a guess?--<span style="cursor:crosshair">Kooks</span> 22:50, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::It's certainly incorrect. I repaired a building costing 134ap and still had more than enough IP hits to play my other characters.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville and headshot==<br />
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All the high level survivors I know (about 30) have been holding out for the return of perma-death headshot with the quarantine. I see the quarantine is back, but everything still says that headshot is not permanent. Is this the case? If you're not bringing it back then you might as well close down the server or at least tell us officially. Because as currently constituted only one side can win, and though we could probably prolong things indefinitely I fail to see the point.<br />
--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 03:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:I couldn't agree more with this post. Staying alive as a member of an organized group in Monroeville is possible but it takes a large amount of coordination and effort. I fail to see the "game" part of current Monroeville on the survivor side, something permanent headshot would bring to the table. If balance is an issue, I'm sure the zombie side would love to have non-curable Infectious Bite. --[[User:Calem|Calem]] 10:09, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::The evidence of the most recent opening of Monroeville suggests that it takes about 6 weeks for the city to go from totally survivor-dominated to totally destroyed with the survivors on the run and hiding in the wreckage. Therefore, it seems to me that the most fun and interesting way to do it would be to run Monroeville in cycles. Every five to six weeks or so switch the rules to give one side or the other the advantage. So, having now had an extened Zombie Friendly period of time, you allow the Survivors to have their turn for a month and a half with closed borders and "permanent" (until the next cycle) headshot. Then re-open it to new admissions with the usual "Zombies stand back up" rules for a month and a half, then close it again and so on and so forth. That way, both sides always have something to look forward to and there's always something to plan for. Frankly, this solution still favors the Zombies somewhat in that a dead Survivor still never gets a chance to come back to life, but its significantly more fair than the current situation where Survivors can never repair a building for more than a couple of days before getting buried under a tide of zombies. While that may accurately reflect the desperate conditions of the later Dead movies and some of the supporting fiction, its not much fun to be a Survivor under these circumstances, and this is a game. --[[User:jng2058|jng2058]] 12:54, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Agreed. Right now Monroeville is only a game of attrition with an inevitable (tedious) end. Maybe that's in keeping with Romero's cannon, but it puts survivors in an unwinnable position and leaves the zombies without enough challenge to stave off boredom. If the game's going to be left open, then since zombies are in the advantage right now (by 4:1) why not restore headshot and see what happens? [[User:CoopVancer|CoopVancer]] 21:34, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Actually Coop- if you think about it- zombie take over isn't necessary canon in the zombie/post-apoc genre nor Romero canon, but merely an outcome of the core theme. What destroys the humans isn't the zombies, which are fairly weak, but their failure to overcome their individual self interest and cooperate. Restoring headshot would work now consistent with the canon. Headshot is something survivors learn with experience. At present, most of the survivors, don't have the XP to have headshot. <br />
::::: So I guess this is down to a test of wills then? Of humanity? How long can humans survive before break down, succumb to anarchy, or make a mistake and get eaten? '''We will not.''' Survivors will not descend into madness. We will survive under these horrible conditions! '''We will be ever vigilant!''' ''(until an emergency comes up in real life, then we're pretty much zombie-food)'' [[User:Bystander|Bystander]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Bystander, I recommend the buddy system. Give someone in your group your PW so they can move you in an emergency.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 00:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your reading is correct that perma-headshot isn't returning.--[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Will there be any type of reward for x number of survivors remaining? ==<br />
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I'm just going to say the only reason to ask this is because what the point of trying to survive if the hoard of zombies will eventually take over all? All i want to know is there anything that actually would give hope to the survivors?<br />
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:Yeah, it would be nice if the last 100 survivors were transported to Malton with text like "NAME survived the second Monroeville quarantine." or "NAME was one of the last 100 to die in Monroeville." on their profile page. --[[User:BetterLuck|BetterLuck]] 23:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::I hope something happens that's good at least for survivors, now they outnumber us way too much now--[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 15:44, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Monroeville Characters ==<br />
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I was just wondering if you had any plans for allowing players to have their Monroeville character's account moved to Malton. I just want to know because I happen to really like my MV character from an RP perspective and would like to play as him in a city that isn't completely ruined and dead... or at least use his name for a character in Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 03:08, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:No - you can transfer donation flags, but not characters. If you want to roleplay the same character in Malton, just create a new account with a slightly different name. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
How do you transfer donation flags from a Monroeville character to a Malton one? Thanks. --[[User:Alias81|Alias81]] 13:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just go to your "settings" page and enter a name. I've now added this to the [http://urbandead.com/faq.html#monroedonate FAQ]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Don't fucking jimmy me, jules. ==<br />
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I swear that 84 minutes almost pushed me over the brink...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:34, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, it looks like the wiki backups are pushing the server over the brink as well, from sheer weight of data, to the point of actually overheating the machine. I'm going to have to do another archive-history purge, as it's been a long time since the last one. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::NOOOOOO! Not the memories! Take anything but the memories! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:30, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::What about all teh lulz?!?!?!?!? Jed! ACTIVATE LULZ PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. CODE RED!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:44, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::OMG DID YOU SAY <big><big><big><big><font color="red">CODE RED?!?!?!?!</font></big></big></big></big>--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Good man. You'll do me proud yet. btw Kevan we just bought UD shirts so hopefully that means you don't have to go ahead with this "purging" business...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:48, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yeah i've thrown my best days into UD and my best money too. The least you could do is buy more server space so that a purge need never happen again. What if we need to check back over to see who made an edit? Or find long lost lulz? I mean [[2 Cool]] have a variety of quality projects using that space. [[ALiM]], [[ELiM]], [[Great Fire of 1912]], [[Sir Dick Longman]], [[Suburb Nicknames]], [[Colloquialisms]] and [[Malton Girl on Girl Parade]] all spring to mind. Of course there are many many more worthy pages created in the name of [[Kevanism|Kevan]], this is just a tasty sampling.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:53, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Stop blatantly spamming your endless vomit pile of useless wiki projects.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 11:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Quality projects using the ''page history'' space? If there's something good in there that's been deleted for wiki policy reasons, can't you host it somewhere else where people will actually find it? --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well if there is that's what we'll do. By the way - whilst I'm here, can I get your thoughts on [[ALiM|this page]]. Totally just out of interest and not fishing for an endorsement to stick in the first sentence of the article... And did you purposely give some of the locations amusing names or was it all the result of some cosmic event?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:22, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Also thanks for the recognition that they are in fact quality. And yes page history contains lols and should be kept for this reason. For example [[User:J3D/lol@finis|this particular work]] would never have been possible if page histories weren't kept. [[Save Page Histories]], i think i smell a 2C wikiproject coming on...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:32, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Ah that smell. I know her well.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Just wondering if there's a time-frame for this, there's an administrative Archive of Two we need to finish up before it happens, shouldn't take more than a few hours each.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Turns out that it might just be the A/VB talk archives.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::What in the name of all things holy is an archive history purge? Do i need to be in the brace position? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Look at the contribs of an older member, like myself. Ive ben around and posting since october 2005. you will see pretty much nothingb that old. A history purge is just that, a deletion of all revisions older than a certain age from the database. Its one of the reasons we make archive pages. Histories can get seriously huge, especially on larger, more active pages. For examples of the biggest, try A/VB and Talk:Suggestions --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 18:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Cheers Grimbo. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:06, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Couldn't Kev just get rid of the bigs one then? Talk suggestions is a particularly useless page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:08, 22 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'll be some time during September, and it'll be clearing out to a specific date (probably everything over a year old). If you need me to hold off while some admin archives are made, let me know. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I believe we finally got them all done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:17, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Maybe we do need to lose some of our precious memories...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Is barricading affected in dark buildings? ==<br />
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Would you be able to resolve [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Dark#barricading_success_is_also_affected_by_dark this question], please? (i.e. is there an effect in dark buildings on barricading success?) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:05, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:As Midi said, you should try doing your own research on this inquiry first. It seems like you haven't even checked by yourself. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 14:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's based on chance - sorta hard to get solid evidence when it could just be called "bad luck". Sometimes you have to go to the source to find out if you're just having a shitty day or if it's some game mechanic that's actually stopping you from hitting all those zeds at the local RP... I mean... er...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 14:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aeon, I ''did'' "check for myself"... As in. I've experienced it numerous times in-game... Then I went to Brainstock, asked around for a second opinion, and got one... But that wasn't good enough for you people... So I decided to ask Kevan, himself -- especially since Nallan kind of has a point, and since it's not easy to find the conditions to conduct the experiment... In any event, I managed to find a place to try it: I posted the results on the Darkness talk page. However, a quick word, yea or nay, from the designer really would be appreciated... Now... none of this "discussion" was necessary, not here, stop spamming this page, sheeesh. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:14, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You typed more than the first three comments combined. And you complain about spamming? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:31, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, there is an effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== theres 98 survivors in monroeville what now? ==<br />
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what is going to happen now? is there anything left for the survivors other than to just run or make a last stand? is there anything for staying alive till the end. --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Stay alive I guess. --[[User:Federationtrooper|Federationtrooper]] 22:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:umm the count jumped UP TO 100, what just happened? --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 03:50, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::And it's 101 now. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 05:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Idled characters standing up, most likely. Hellooooo. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:11, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Yes, idlers. So, will all characters be deleted completely? Should we make a last stand? What will happen to the accounts? Will there be permaneny links to the diaries, that can still be obtained after the accounts are deleted? Knowing the basic plan will help us figure out what we should be doing.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::If I recall correctly, at some point the game will be shut down. I mean ''shut down''. At which point Kevan has said that any donations on MV alts will be transferable to Malton. He has hinted that he might allow MV alts to be moved to Malton once it's shut right down -- although I haven't noticed anything like this in a while, maybe he's changed his mind? I dunno... My advice, personally is to wait and see... Possibly Kevan doesn't even know yet how he'll wrap it up. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::I'm [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Kevan#Monroeville_Characters pretty sure] that MV characters won't be transferable to Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 01:49, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Okay, but what will happen to the actual accounts though? What would happen if I tried to login with it after the map ends? Will the diary be preserved?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:59, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Aren't they (donation tags) already transferable? i'm pretty sure they should be. --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Donations are transferrable, and accounts aren't - it was always going to be one or the other, and donations seemed more appropriate. Profiles and diaries will be kept in perpetuity. And given how little difference there is between shutting the city down entirely and leaving it open for zombies to mill aimlessly around in, I might just leave it open. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fair enough? Any chance of us active zeds getting another tag in our profiles? Ive noticed those survivors still active have got one. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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For what? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 19:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like this [[http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1147825]], one like ''blah was an active zombie one month into the 2nd quarantine. '' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Again, I ask, "For what?" For staying active? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 23:35, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Sorry. yep.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::You knew when you signed up that it was not going to be a permanent map. And you knew the basic rules of the game, as well. You ''knew''... Now, deal with it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== FAQs addition? ==<br />
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I don't know why you haven't gotten around to it, but here you can even find a pretyped one to add. It's a quick, simple addition...<br />
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http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Add_encumbrance_section_to_the_FAQs<br />
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Also, I'm not trying to bother you, but could you check the bugs page and try to deal with some of those issues? I noticed my moved-outside reports already in the known bugs section, and that sounds like a creepy one that's been happening to a number of people. I also see a number of other bugs commonly happening, with no hint of what's going on. Thanks.<br />
--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Once again...[[PR_UI:_Sub_Pages#Tips_about_encumbrance|dupe]]. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:28, 30 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::That's why I wondered why he hasn't gottena round to it yet. It's been around a while, and it seems pretty needed.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:04, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Enough is enough ==<br />
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I know you don't want to deal with this kind of stuff... yeah yeah yeah... But please just ''look'' at [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.180 this post]. Just quickly... <br />
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Enough is enough, already. '''Please''' ban open proxies from accessing Urban Dead, because this is just too common -- and if anything is going to kill this game and the community it's zerging. There is a massive level of frustration over zerging, though honestly it's not brought up because people are fatalistic, figuring you're not going to do anything about it. But there are people willing and able to assist with the coding, with helping to set this up, you just need to say "Yes" to getting the ball rolling. Please consider it, consider ''something''... Because it's a serious problem ((that is, the use of proxies). And, unfortunately -- unless there is something huge we are all missing -- it's a problem that your abuse detection algorithms just can't deal with... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just to add... This guy in the post I linked to likely had his alts banned, and just kept making more and more to replace them... which, if true, shows that algorithm works against ''"normal" multi-abusers.'' But when you're dealing with proxies, you can completely circumvent those algorithms. And that's the problem... Active players usually encounter at least a couple ''obvious'' "zerg teams" every week... And a lot more less obvious but suspicious ones... It's very frustrating for those who try to play "by the book"... And while we generally just "shrug and bear it", still... I'm not going to bother you with this anymore now, but I really felt it was high time to bring this your attention, and to speak out for the many people who are so frustrated by the prevalence of zerging in Urban Dead. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:17, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm going to take the liberty of seconding the above on behalf of both the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]] and [[Columbine Kids]], two fair-playing teams that I lead who encounter zerg teams weekly. Whether something comes of this or not, I just want to add our voices. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 18:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ha. The only topic on the page not address by Kev on Sept 3. Come on man an least a reply saying you cbf would be nice...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:03, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Sure, I'll take a look at any ideas or technologies people have got. I'm not aware of any silver bullets that don't also turn up false-positives for people on weird ISPs or who have a misleadingly-configured home network, but would be happy to be proven wrong. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:29, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Interesting Tangent: Speaking of silver bullets, i recently found out that all that stuff from days yonder referring to silver bullets and there use in banishing monsters is actually ambiguous as to if it's talking about actual silver, or mercury (which was known as quicksilver at the time). so yeah, you may in fact be unaware of any mercury bullets. Just keep that in mind when banishing foes.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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There was a discussion on Beerhah.com about this... Where some people were attempting to seriously address the issue and then come to you with some solutions. Sadly, interest seemed to wane once Finis Valorum apparently left the game... However, I am going to copy what was probably the most relevant and hopefully most useful post in that discussion. As you'll see, the solution was not an algorithm and/or set of "suspicious" IPs, etc. -- which I gather was you were talking about above? Rather, the main idea it was using a list of known proxies and simply banning them. I actually think the wiki sysops have a pretty long list of banned proxies, for a start perhaps that could be used... <br />
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And, no solution is going to perfect. There will ''always'' be holes, always ways around whatever measures you impliment. As the post I'll copy discusses. That, I think, is pretty well understood. However, the point is to make it as difficult as possible for people to cheat. Open proxies are just ''too easy'' to find and use... Now, I don't know if paying for a proxy list is going to be effective, or a waste of money, considering how much these things change, apparently -- that's something someone with the right knowledge would have to decide. Anyway, I'm place the text of the post on [[User talk:WanYao| my Talk page]] for you to look at. Thanks for your time. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:21, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Sadly, we've got no follow up response yet... Kevan, are you listening? Just as another case in point, look at this... yeah I ''know'' what you say... But just look... I think you need to... I don't want to be a "bitch" about this... But I am really, really hoping we can find some way to address the zerging issue, and this requires a dialogue with you... <br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_7-1__644-f97-77b.html<br />
http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_8-1__0c7-19c-2b9.html<br />
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LOLz at my insane typos notwithstanding (i meant "flayed alive") .... This is sadly typical... We see this stuff all the time: here, 4 alts, at least, 2 each in adjacent buildings, from someone with a whole slew of "mithra" alts, many more than these 4, many of them previously spotted together -- this guy is familiar to us... We've presented some ideas for dealing with zergs like this, there is a discussion on the [[AZM]] Talk page... Will you work on this? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:08, 12 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Kevan, please do this: community appointed UD moderators. These trusted moderators will ban obvious zerging reported by players. To investigate zerging only basic information is needed: history of when the zergs all logged in, and how long they've been around each other. 95% of zergers are stupid and lazy and will be caught this way. No permanent bans, just temporary ones. Enough to make the zergers life difficult. --[[User:Rupert|Rupert]] 19:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:COMMUNITY appointed? You're joking, right? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 21:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'm kind of new, so forgive me if this is stupid... Am I correct in assuming that a lot of these zerg characters are level 1, or to a lesser degree level 2 that seldom level up or even gain XP but are used as scouts. If that's the case then I would think that any ''real'' account is going to gain XP and level up within reasonable time periods. If that's the case then would purging level 1 & 2 characters that don't level in say a month get rid of a lot of zergs? Or is there a legitimate reason for accounts within these parameters? --[[User:Mvario|mvario]] 01:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Most zergs (despite the name) do infact end up leveling up, check out all the [[GTFO]] zergs for an example. The one's that do stay at lvl 1 and 2 are throw aways that won't be used again anyway, so deleting them wouldn't have any effect except to free up the account name to be used by another player. And that is something Kevan has said he doesn't want as it would cause confusion. Also lol @ my post up there ^ from Sept 5.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Last Major Change to this page? ==<br />
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When was the last major change to this page made, the one where months pf posts were cleared off and the number of topics reset to 0 (I assume 0)?. What about the Suggestions Development Page, where the Overflow section used to be? I'm trying to find certain old stuff, and I need to know those important dates to do so...thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:07, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=prev&oldid=1241305]]This? You can chust check yourself by looking in the history tab at the top of each page. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:27, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:That link's no good.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::There was a history purge so links to old edits don't work. However purges aside he's right, if you need to find an old version of the page use the history tab at the top.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::When was the last purge anyhow? That would really help. Those do make thinsg confusing...looking for old stuff that's gone...--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 19:17, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Dear Kevan: ==<br />
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<span style="color: #800000; font-family: Times"><center>You may try to tear down our barricades, devour our friends and allies, destroy our home... But we ''will'' prevail. Your efforts will be met with the stalwart defense that Barrville has maintained for these three years, and with our community at our sides, you must eventually accept defeat. You will go down, Kevan... and we'll put you there. And we'll do it oldschool; With our fists, With our boots, with lead pipes...<BR>And yes, with Axes. We shall not be put down.<BR>'''We Are AXES HIGH'''<br />
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E Cinerebus, Gloriam --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 16:13, 5 September 2008 (BST)</center></span><br />
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:'''''HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!''''' [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Okay, I actually thought it was quite the honour to be eaten by Kevan... but none the less worthy of an overtly trenchy and overdramatic comment. - --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 20:46, 23 September 2008 (BST)<br />
==Database errors==<br />
We are getting some infrequent, but still painfully annoying database errors. Last night when i was trying to edit [[A/VD]] i couldnt because of them, and we lost two current revisions on a page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASpacer_one%2FAthair_bas&diff=1270526&oldid=1270400 here] to them as well. Can you please take a look and find out whats going on? --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 21:51, 10 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Noted. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:43, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like we lost a handful of page revisions during the history purge; I'll look at restoring them this afternoon. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:08, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Okay, fixed, the handful of pages that were affected are stable now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==About the proxy issues...==<br />
this site: http://www.gmodtop100.com/ had a similar iddue which involved everyone giving themselves votes using proxyies from proxy.org Recently the website restted all the lists and when I tried to give hits to my gmod clan, I discovered that by some sort of meckanism they had managed to block proxies from being able to vote. I know they hadn't simply banned them because even my top secret proxy was blocked and I had never used it to access the website before. Maybe if you could get in contact with this "Pulsar effect" guy we could finally end this. [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It's really not as simple as some people seem to think. Web-based CGI or PHP proxies, or even SOCKS/HTTP proxies, are merely the tip of the iceberg – anyone with any decent technical expertise or friends with same can bypass any proxy list you care to come up with. Sure, it might be helpful, but it won't be a silver bullet, as Kevan alluded to above. Either way, we'll need to continue with [[ZHU|community-based]] [[GTFO|solutions]], as well as any additional technological measures that may be implemented. And remember... {{cquote||It may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma... which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve.''|Edgar Allen Poe}}{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And...{{cquote||Some things are not problems to be solved, they are facts to be coped with.''|Anonymous}} --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:23, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Future history wipes==<br />
Would it be possible leave a few more months worth of page histories next time a wipe is done? It's making it very hard to evaluate and track deletion requests, vandal histories and the like when histories just weeks old are missing, making it especially difficult to determine who should have "ownership rights" of group pages. Loosing histories will always be a problem, but the problem can be lessened significantly if you could keep it to older edits <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:56 20 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Or a portion of the oldest edits on a page(like the first 5 if possible).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And maybe a backup for the suburb danger status, using that sql code i sent you last time... heh... too bad i only found out about this wipe weeks after it occured, or i would have asked you to make the backup before the wipe. Bugger. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 03:14, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== I'm wishing for headshot.... ==<br />
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maybe for those left in monroeville should have something, like headshot, cause look at whats left... [[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:53, 4 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:The problem with that is to use headshot, you need to interact with zombies. A lot of the zeds left metagame, and all you'd do is draw others to your location. So yes. Bring it back. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I agree, running from zeds is getting old. I imagine they must be pretty bored as well. If not perma-death, how about headshot drops AP to zero. Otherwise we'll continue this war of attrition. Also shouldn't we get new badges? It would be cool if we had an incentive to keep playing besides making the zeds look impotent.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== ALiM's Birthday Party ==<br />
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You've been cordially invited to attend ALiM's birthday party at [[Club Head]] at 10am GMT on the 18th of October. Festivities will last for a full 24 hours. See [[Talk:Amusing_Locations_in_Malton#ALiM_PARTY.21.21.21|here]] for more details, oh divine master.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 02:15, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Misconduct ==<br />
I figure you are already aware of whats going on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#User:Grim_s| Here] but figured you should be formally informed. The final decision of the community has not been reached, but the general consensus will at the very least include the Bureaucrat status being removed from Grim. More may or not follow depending upon deliberations. Thank You. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:25, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:You have provided no evidence of misconduct. This is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:18, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Grim pipe down, everyone knows what you think and we also happen to know what Conn thinks. I can appreciate you're pissed off but can you not write the same boring ass one line all over the place, at least i nice tl;dr wall for old times sake ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:33, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Its not a boring arse line. Its a simple fact. All accusations of abusing the status of sysop as abadge of authority to force ones wishes on the community '''must''' come with '''clear evidence''' over a '''substancial period of time'''. So far no such evidence has been presented, and all my requests that it be have been soundly ignored by all concerned. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:36, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Conveniently all such evidence was wiped by Kev yestermonth, so i guess it falls down to your word against his/theirs. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Evidence already posted would still be present, easily visible to all who try a basic search. In any case, as [[user:Revenant]] has said, this is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Court Kangaroo Court], nothing more nothing less. My defense, which is logically sound, has been ignored, except where people have cherry picked points to troll. Saddam Hussein got a fairer trial than i am. In any case, without evidence, you cannot convict. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:40, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug*, shouldn't have declined my sysopship... ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::You were unfit for the job, and your subsequent tantrum proved as much to even the most jaded of eyes. My job isnt to make friends, or to be popular, or to do what people want, its to do what the rules and guidelines of this wiki state is correct, and to make the best decisions for the wiki in places where the guidelines do not cover. I am the only person to have ever lived up to that responsibility. No one else has, though karek comes damned close. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:47, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::oh come on, it was a joke! I thought even in your current state you should have picked it up. Feel free to slur away, hope it makes you feel better, xoxo. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:51, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Im sorry, but one seldom finds entertainment when one is the victim of such obvious and gross injustice where one cannot do anything about it. I apologise. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::apology accepted, we shall see how it plays out...now, to leave kevan's talk page so he doesn't get pissed off and cancel my accounts!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, this page was already on my watchlist. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:37, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::You gonna have a vote? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Contrary to Conndraka's first post, this is not a community decision at all. It is in fact a decision made by a small group of sysops. I trust the subtle difference and obvious deceit on Conndraka's part is not lost on you. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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There being no official method or process of notification...[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Final_Ruling| Here] is the result. Note the community "petition" that is also currently attached to the position. There being no "Policy" in this manner, the impeachment of a sysop by the community is a nebulous proposal at best. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:00, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:So that was you that thought that it would be a good idea to try to drive someone to vandalism as a last resort at neutrality? If it wasn't whoever added that petition should themselves be vandal escalated for misusing an administrative page to further a personal fight. Precedent matters.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:13, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Just for the record it was me who added the "petition" it was not intended to be used as evidence against Grim it and i thought it was pretty clear that I was asking for the communities opinion on wether Grim should face a vote. more than 1 person thought not.... apparently my intention was not clear enough and it turned into a petition while i was off-line. Should Grim have lost his Crat status? Probably... should he have lost it for the misconduct case? Absolutely not!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Bug, "zerg flag", or what? ==<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=951980 This alt] has recently tried searching for FAKs in a powered Mall with *no* success. 'Tis far more than bad luck... All other actions seem to working just fine, and I really can't see how a zerg flag could have been activated, even accidentally. Is this a bug, some unannounced change, or has a zerg flag somehow been activated? Anyone else had anything similar happen? But if it is a bug, then I'll report it normally... Thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:09, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unannounced change, although you shouldn't be getting ''zero'' success. If it keeps up, report it as a bug and we'll get some more data on it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Can you post these things as news? not only are we in a news drought, but it'll send the mall rats scurrying to the TRPs...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:25, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::It seems a bit cheap to announce search tweaks as fully-fledged "game updates". There are some proper updates on the way. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Perhaps, but it makes a difference. And considering it was suggested through the wiki suggestion system it'd a tip of the hat to the crowd over there (regardless of whether or not you actually saw that ;) ), i look forward to new updates :D something pro zombie perhaps? Things have quietened down in Malty as of late...btw kudos on the ruin update, she added a whole new dimension to the game.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Oh good. I thought this was just me. I have been getting reduced search rates EVERYwhere. (Hospitals, Malls, NT buildings.) Quite a few days I've spend 18~23 AP in these buildings over a period of about 10~12 minutes and have found nothing at all. Recently I've used a mall-searcher and spent 20 AP in Caiger NW and have found nothing in any store. It woulda been nice to see this as an official update. [[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 14:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yay! Updates are ace. :D -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:47, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Yes, please announce it or something. I was sad to find just 2 FAKs with 20 APs in a lightened mall with bargain hunting. Its just very less. First i thougt, it was bad luck, but others said the same too. Maybe a small view, what has been changed would be nice. --[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 17:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::'''My search-statistics:'''<br />
:::::::'''Where:''' lightened Mall, searched in the Drugstore<br />
:::::::'''Skill:''' Shopping+Bargain Hunting<br />
:::::::'''APs:''' 38 / 47<br />
:::::::'''Found nothing:''' 30 / 36<br />
:::::::'''Found a FAK:''' 8 / 11<br />
:::::::'''Rate:''' 21,06% / 23,4%<br />
:::::::--[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 18:18, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Assuming there are no more break-ins at my safehouse, I'll post some data tomorrow. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk]] </span> </sup> 04:26, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the reply, Kevan... No, you're right, haven't had a lot of time to play lately, but I tested it further and I did finally find some FAKs... And for everyone else... I believe I know ''exactly'' why Kevan implemented this. And it pleases me, personally, very much. :) Meanwhile, this wasn't a game-mechanic change, just a search rate nerf... Thus, I think it's cool it was left for us to discover on our own, and not as an announcement... Even if I had to resort to the cheap method of asking the big guy himself... ;) Though I did suspect it might be a search rate nerf, I just didn't ''dare'' to believe'' :D ... Thanks, Kevan, cool change... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:01, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh... FTR limited data... but searching for guns in a mall ''seems'' the same as always... and syringe rates have been quite low for some time now... just to clear up statement made above about everything sucking... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:05, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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You know, there's a [[Search Odds|better place]] than Kevan's talk page to dump this data... --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup II==<br />
I have regularly spoken to you of the abuses of adminsistrator and the flaws of the system. I have begged, and pleaded for you to become involved in fixing these problems. You have told me to do it myself. Tow/three days ago i notified you of my intent to stage a coup on this wiki and enforce a better way, at the very least as a trial run. I also informed you that you could call it off simply by telling me "no". Since you havent responded, and circumstances have cospired to make such an option impossible in the immediate future due to the very corruption that has taken root, i have been forced to go ahead earlier than i would have liked. I merely ask that you adopt a wait and see attitude towards what i am trying to do. This is my last throw of the dice. My last ditch attempt to make this a better place before i take my leave of this community forever. I apologise for the manner in which i had to bring it about however. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 10:26, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hello Grim. I read your email as a bold request for ''permission'' to single-handedly institute "sweeping reforms" and selective sysop demotions. I didn't realise you were threatening to actually abuse bureaucrat powers and go ahead regardless, if I didn't respond quickly enough.<br />
:Yes, whenever you email me asking that I force through a change that you personally want implemented, I suggest that you take it through the proper channels - usually a policy discussion, to at least get some community feedback first. I don't see why you couldn't have done that here. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup==<br />
Could you please re-sysop all the people that Grim just demoted, please, and remove his bureaucrat status to avoid it happening again? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:24 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Already onto it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::sooo....where do we go from here? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::[[Suburb Nicknames#West Becktown|PUSSY TOWN]]!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Shouldn't grim also have been demoted ? He can still do lots of damage with his sysop powers --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Given the "effective immediately i am seizing executive power" tone of his bureaucrat abuse, and the fact that he claims to have left the wiki permanently, temporarily revoking his sysop powers seems fair enough, if only as a security issue. I'll reverse it should the [[Misconduct#User:Grim_s|new misconduct case]] decide in his favour. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:34, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Hm... I think I may create a new subpage on my userspace containing as much of this stuff as I can. It will be interesting to read through and spot the points at which Grim became more and more frantic. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::First Katthew, now grim. There is no place for common sense is there? Maybe i'm not in possession of all the facts; all I see is one frustrated person finally snapping, after years spent as one of the very few sysops to actually work to make this a better place - rather than feather his own nest. The wiki has finally moved from being a source of information to some kind of passive-aggressive, UD version of Facebook. I'd rather have one person capable of making a mature decisions, unafraid to step on a few toes and deflate a few egos, than a gaggle of preening children. Disappointing. --[[User:Keith Drudgely|Keith Drudgely]] 17:58, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Grim was anything but "mature". Just saying. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 20:56, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::you should talk, cyberbob... actually, i do think grim was someone who worked hard for the wiki... and he'd dealt with idiocy for so long, he did snap... however, if only he'd handled things better over the long haul... le sigh... for what it's worth, the drama has pretty much caused me to quit the game, too... pathetic how seriously some people (myself included) take all this sometimes... and interesting how easy it is to walk away when the bad taste gets to be too much, and how little you miss UD when you do... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:36, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Biiig difference between being immature by choice and being immature by impulse, Wan. Also, WTF is with you and ellipses? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:18, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::~2 years till the next sysop snaps. I can understand where Grim was coming from though. It's very frustrating when people constantly attack you for no perceived reason, and eventually you *have* to snap, no one can sustain continued harassment. Grims misconduct case showed this, sysops calling for Grims demotion over something so minor was ridiculous. Unfortunately once a group of users has decided to attack you there's nowhere safe on the wiki, and eventually you are forced to leave until things cool off, which can be a long while, and difficult to do if you are a regular. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">11:35/13/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::::OR you could simply cease the unneccessary causticness that brought on all that ire and start acting with some degree of restraint rather than taking the easy route and trying to lay the blame on others. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:52, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Cyberbob's right, just because you weren't a victim of Grim's monster rampage doesn't mean it didn't happen. You should try to understand Jedaz, people didn't just rise against Grim for fun. We aren't idiots. If we were mindless idiots we would be playing Halo 3 and NFL 2009 instead of UD. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:58, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::It's called Madden you culturally ignorant fuck. Nah you're allllright. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:02, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::How dare you be here and not on IRC. You left me alone with those barbarians. >=[ {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::sorry sorry! I was spose to go to bed 21 minutes ago...hows a week tonight for you? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:19, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::@Cyberbob - What kind of restraint are you talking about? Restraint of language? I don't see anyone else restraining themselves. Restraint of Sysop powers? Well there wern't any successful misconduct cases about misuse. If you are talking about restraining yourself once you've snapped then you must be laughing. Don't get me wrong, Grims attitude didn't help the situation, but people making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't going to help either.<br />
::::::::@DDR - What has Grim done since June to have this "uprising" occur? Personally I didn't see Grim do anything outside of his regular behaviour (ignoring this most recent case), and the community has known about his behaviour for a long time and still elected him! Would the community still have rised up if this didn't occur? If not then it's just an angry mob and it would have cooled down eventually, where as an uprising would still have occured.<br />
::::::::Anyway, if either of you wish to continue this conversation I'ld suggest we move this to my [[User_talk:Jedaz|talk page]] rather then clog up Kevans. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:34/14/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::My point, Jedaz, was that if Grim was at all socially intelligent he would have realised that people weren't going to take his shit forever. If he wanted to prevent an explosion of the sort we saw he should've taken steps to improve his self-control. Blaming his completely unreasonable hissy fit (ZOMG IM GONNA LOSE MAI CRAT STATUS ALL MUST DIE) on the completely understandable reactions of everyone else is ridiculous. You need to take off the "I got yo back brotha!" goggles (you think I don't remember the circumstances of your demotion?) and take a step back to look at things realistically. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I supose you have a point. But I don't think you fully understand the reason I chose to be demoted (if you did then you wouldn't have brought it up). My point is if you don't have the support of the team you are working in then of course you are going to find it tough and eventually you are either going to quit or break. Nobody seems to care that it can actually get to this point. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:20/16/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::Cyberbob's right. Do you actually have a personal history with Grimsky? He has been planning this entire explosion for a very long time. He probably stretched out the time of the case so it could build up to a bigger explosion. He deliberately did this for his own ego. And yet you don't think he was unfit to be at the position he was at? Why argue with us more? Ask the entire community which demanded what we demand right now. I don't want to disrupt Kevan (I know your reading hun =]) So I'll stop here, no need to pursue justification. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::it was very calculated, there was a reason he chased away the other competent sysops, and crats, and meatpuppeted his crat "election". He was planning this "coup" for a while and was no lapse in judgement.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:30, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::I miss all of the good stuff. I believe what Anime is referring to is discussed [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|here]], with a now dead reference to [[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysop_Sub_Groups:The_Cheesy_Version#"With_less_than_10_active_sysops"|the original conversation here]]. You know, where he admits to hounding sysops such as Vista and Hagnat to get them to quit their positions. Coincidentally, after he got Hagnat to quit, he got elected as a Bureaucrat. No, obviously no long term plan in place.<br />
:::::::::::{{quote|Grim_s|Making a new sysop subclass wont solve this problem, all it will do is bloat the numbers of idiot sysops, which i have spent the last 18 months whittling away at.}}<br />
:::::::::::Whoops. I guess it ''was'' a long term plan to get into power after all, huh? [[Image:Haw.gif]] --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:52, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::No way to prove this but on IRC Grim would often criticize my "hissy fits" of pissing people off for lulz and then brag about how he could do it better. I think AS remembers it, he often hung out in #udwiki. My point, he planned this. That wasn't impulse. Impulse is "DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING!!!" --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:07, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::Maybe they are talking about on a geological timetable. Or perhaps some people need to [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impulse%5B2%5D read more]. I do find it amusing that [[:Template:Grim Doom|this template]], which was meant as a joke, is closer to the truth than people like to believe. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::He made [[User:Grim_s/Sandbox/Thingamajig|these notes on attempting to scrap the system]] back in July, which included the idea that my veto power was a "problem" and should be revoked. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::That's kind of why I am confused how what [[User:Amazing|Amazing]] did was worse than this. There is a huge history of edits of Grim chasing users off of the wiki in order to attain the power he craved ([[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|'''by his own admission''']]), then kicks off the rest of the sysop team to implement his changes when he is threatened, yet he doesn't receive the same punishment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::You're confusing yourself, because the Amazing and Grim situations are totally different. Amazing wasn't a sysop when he earned his permban through the established VB escalation system, and it was also a long, long time ago. Most of the sysops ruling on Grims case had nothing to do with the wikigate farce. Careful what you wish for, Akule, [[Witch Burners]] arn't that picky, as you well know <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:35 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::::Oh, okay, so talking with Kevan about how Grim probably should have been permabanned for chasing away several good sysops, plotting to remove Kevan's veto power, and overthrowing the other sysops results with veiled threats of forcing me off the wiki from you. Gotcha. So, when are you going to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Amnesty&diff=next&oldid=1295384 "waah"] Kevan like you did Hagnat and the others? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:17, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::I'm not threatening to force you off the wiki, Akule. I'm trying to point out that if witch burners always got their way, Grim would be out, but so would you, long ago due to copyright-gate. And why the hell would I Wah Keven, you clown... you're the one doing the waaaaahing <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::It's cos deep down (very deep, in some cases) we've all got a soft spot for ol' grimchy.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::And the winner of the Speak For Yourself award goes to.... --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 08:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Ooo! ooo! I'm a shoo in for this one! Pick me! Pick me! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:58, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::Umm...Boxy? How is what Grim did similar to the Witch Burners? Our goal is to remove those who create mass amounts of drama on the wiki through vandalism, arby's, and other crap. We are the vigilantes that work where the sysops can't. Grim would have been a target of ours if we weren't so afraid of him banning us after labeling him a target. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:25, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Well, I was referring to the way Grim has become a targeted witch, actually, but he did use similar tactics, now you mention it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::::::::::::The problem Grim saw with Kevan's veto power was that Kevan's refusal to participate in the wiki and the absence of the threat of the use of that power was in and of itself damaging to the wiki and led to a lot of the crap that annoys all of us. It wasn't that Kevan had veto power but that Kevan wasn't willing to give that power any weight. You'd probably know that if you ever spoke to Grim outside of arguments.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:24, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::I did. Usually it was go back to an argument, mostly over stupid shit. Mentioning you like Star Wars would result in a vicious attack on why TIE Fighters can't make noise in space. I for one don't give a shit. Grim loved to create trouble over stupid shit. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:23, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::That wasn't directed at you Sonny.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:54, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::BUT GODDSDAMMIT TIE FIGHTERS CAN'T MAKE A NOISE IN SPACE!!!!!!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 18:28, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::fcuk u tehy can 2!!1!!!1one! --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::: obviously the whole star war universe takes place in a particle rich nebula that allows for both the transmission of sound and the really spectacular explosions...DUH! [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:07, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Well at least we don't have Real Gamer ruling the wiki.Grim did make a joke about a coup earlier in 2008 around the time the the dead did their rampage I believe.And by the way, according to the History Channel,if you were in space,the Death Star firing and destroying a planet is as less loud than you clicking your computer's mouse.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Coup Misconduct Resolution ==<br />
[[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Resolution.2FFinal_Ruling| Resolution]] of the Misconduct case due to the coup, Just an FYI for official notification. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== HP? ==<br />
Just stood up after a revive... Found myself at 20 instead of 30. another one of these unannounced changes? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:07, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:That would be a bug. Report it if it happens again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:24, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I like the NT scan tweak. Very classy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Grammar ==<br />
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You try to add some corrugated iron to the barricade, but can't find a place for them.<br />
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"Them" should be "it", or "corrugated iron" should be plural, so maybe "corrugated iron rods".<br />
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Hope this is in the right place, and I know you probably don't care that much about small gramatical errors but someone needs to point them out!<br />
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Feel free to downsize the image..I would but I need to run! {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 12:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Update ==<br />
I don't do this much and am actually on the side of criticizing updates as too much for false problems but this recent update has been something that has been long in the waiting. Thank You, this might actually get me playing my characters again.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:37, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll go along with that. Admittedly I'm far more easily-pleased than Karek and never stopped actively playing, but still, thanks for a great update. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:27, 17 October 2008 (BST).<br />
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== Privacy Policy ==<br />
Hi kevan, is there any chance of a Privacy Policy being written up regarding players IP's and emails. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:58, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:[[UDWiki:Privacy policy]] has been in the footer for a couple of years now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:13, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Sorry I did not make it clear, I meant in regards to the game, not the wiki.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 10:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Streetwalkin' cheetah with a heartful of napalm ==<br />
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A ruffian headbutted me for 1 damage today, as a human. Is this a new addition or am I slow? I basically came here to ask, Kevan, how does one headbutt? Is it a random occurance that may happen instead of excecuting the punch command? Just curious. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:22, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Heh. That would have been me, non? Headbutt works via ?actions, i simply installed a greasemonkey script that allows me to perform said action in harman form without using the ?action. Sometimes young ddr, the only way to fight fire is well, with fire ;) . --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:50, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::That would be biting with a mask while alive I assume. 'cause you can bite while alive but, for 1 damage.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:49, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like the shooting while a zombie cheat to me. That hasn't been fixed yet, has it? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:27 18 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::That was fixed just before April 1 this year, I remember because Red Rums April Fools plans were ruined.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 17:06, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::The only reason the shooting cheat got fixed was because enough people decided to whine about such a minor thing. No one really cares about this one and it's been known for a long long time. That being said the damage is reduced when trying to perform zombie actions while living, it's always punch damage and I think punch rates too.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:58, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Nah no mask, just 1 damage.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:55, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I wish to lay claim to be the first person to be headbutted for 1 damage by a harman. Then I'll be positively famous. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:52, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You aren't. Unfortunately i'm not original, i got the script that allows me to do this off viktor, first person i know of who got headbutted was Fiffy i think, check with Anime, he'll know! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:06, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Take it to [[Talk:Actions via "question marks"]], thanks kids... no need to bother Kevan with this. Basically all these attacks work as a punch with different flavour: they're all 25% to hit, 1 damage. And you're very late to the party, I know I and others have been doing this for 6 months or more. Pretty much from around the time ActOnProfile came out. <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:34, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And unlike shooting while a zombie...the damage able to be inflicted by this is minimal. I've been bitten by a harman before. It was hilarious. ;) --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 04:15, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aha! That sneaky gorilla's secret is revealed! At last the world makes sense again. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 05:09, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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/topic. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:31, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== so wait... new map? whats for monroeville? ==<br />
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2 questions....headshot on this map or?<br />
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and monroeville is at 260 poeple so im kinda wondering if theres anything left for it....<br />
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[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 10:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:First question, the first one to level 10'll find out. Question 2, get over it, there's been nothing there for ages...new city thyme :D --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Kazypoo1, Monroeville ''did'' die quite a while ago, in case you didn't notice... I thought it said 'permanent zombification' somewhere, and it only lasts a month, so I'm assuming its perma headshot. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::No, headshot doesn't mean permadeath in Borehamwood. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hello Kevan, quick question: The stats page currently displays the Monroeville numbers as {{udspan|(1023 standing survivors, 707 standing zombies, 43896 accounts created)}}. I take it this is Borehamwood numbers mixing with the old of Monroeville. So will we get separate stats for Borehamwood? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:So. That's basically 950 survivors against 200 zombies at the moment? Still I liked getting the rage. It was fun. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Good point. Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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With the new locations such as railway line(s) and petrol station(s), what do they bring to the game? Is their any new weapons/items? --[[User:Alcatraz311|Alcatraz311]] 15:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Was this why the server went down last night by any chance? =P -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Publicity of Big Brother house location ==<br />
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Greetings. I, amongst others, would like to know your opinion on publicity of the Big Brother house location on the wiki. Should it stay hidden or be revealed? --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 13:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Unless Kevan comes out and says otherwise, this is no different than any other location in the game. Removing it is in no way different to a group of trenchies removing [[Giddings Mall]] from the map in case [[MOB]] comes to visit. Information is free. Censorship is bad.<br />
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:This wiki is a game resource, not a vehicle for censorship so that certain players can increase their chances of winning a DVD.<br />
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:Also this information has already been disseminated to public UD forums and is available through public iwitnesses. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Had this talk with the Big Man before, and he said he has no problem with it. Actually, he imagined its coordinates would have been posted in a matter of hours on the wiki, and also broadcasted through radio and stuff like that. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's up to players how much information they share or conceal; I don't mind either way, in this case. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Wow... as if we don't get enough of the BB franchise on the idiot box, now we get huge BB eye's looking at us as we attack a mall in Malton? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:59 2 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:They'd only be there because someone chose to spraypaint them, but the graphic shouldn't have been showing up outside Borehamwood. This is now fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::OK, thanks. I have a particular hatred of the bastardisation of the original "big brother" concept that involves housemates <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:56 3 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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== Questions about your character ==<br />
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I assume this UD ID is yours, correct, UD ID-11? Well, I'd like to welcome you to West Grayside, though I don't appreciate the eating of so many brains. Also, I don't appreciate the Ninja Zombie status you seem to give yourself. we all know the military covers up things, but covering up their own skills? I scanned your zombie, listed as pre-death class Military, but you lack any military skills! So is just a sick joke, or is it a bug? Picture of scan here:<br />
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Thanks for checking.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Damn, that's a pretty smart catch! Bub is pretty famous among organized zombie players, and most folks know him for not having any human skills, but I never knew he was a "military class" character, as I've never seen the "living" version of his profile.<br>I doubt its a bug; G. Romeroe's "Bub" character was military. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 22:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::How did he get Military without any skills? .......... Oh wait.... Mad haxors skill... :P --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Bweing god of Urban dead helped as well; being able to defy the laws of logic and the 4rth dimension and whatnot. Wait whats his human account?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 03:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So, what is his human account? --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 17:00, 26 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::I don't think any of the survivor accounts are known, but we know he has them out there... Somewhere... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 02:41, 27 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=14 Kevan] doesn't seem to do much <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:11 27 September 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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== Mediawiki Update ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if there any chance of getting wiki software updated? The latest version is v1.13 and there are several useful new features, including: <br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
It's not urgent or anything, but it would be nice if you could put it on your busy to-do list :D.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That sounds pretty cool. =) Can we get it for Christmas? Means you'd only have to get us one present between us this year, saving you quite a lot of money. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Image undeletion is enabled by default as well-useful for when sysops accidentally delete a useful image {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Black Holes of Borehamwood==<br />
Evening. There's a couple of squares in [[Borehamwood]] that are seemingly unscoutable. Namely deep river sections. Can you confirm there's nothing mysterious and shiny hiding in the depths, islands and the like? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'd just like to also say thank you for the charcoal briquettes barricade message. Brought a smile to my face.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazing ==<br />
I'v always owndered for these 2 years; what in the hell DID amazing do anyways? What grim did is easy to see because of the publicity and recentism of it but what EXACTLY did amazing do?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amount of characters in a broadcast ==<br />
I was wondering, Since I started the [[Galaxy News Radio]] i've found that the very small amount of characters you can use is at best, a thorn in my side, couldn't it be possible to make the transmission amount of characters the same as for speaking, it makes perfect sense really --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 21:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If you want to make a suggestion for an in game feature, take it by [[Developing Suggestions]] and get some constructive criticism before putting it up for voting. Although as far as i'm aware the character cap exists to limit spamming of radio channels.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Actually it's probably more of a necessary thing like the 50 people limit in normal speak is. Radio can't share that limiter because that would eliminate it's whole purpose so the only other ways to limit it is to put an upper end on how much you can say per day per channel.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::It's a possibility, but since character limits (as far as i'm aware) predates the need for limiting talking to 50 it seems odd.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
Okie i'll take this to the development pages, thanks for the feed back though guys {{unsigned|An unlucky guy|11:00, November 23, 2008}}<br />
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==Dead Set Competition== <br />
Can I assume that the prizes and all went off without a hitch so I can update the competition as a Past event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, the winners have been selected and contacted, and talking to the cameras in the diary room no longer has any effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Trade?==<br />
Sorry to bother you but I was wondering why survivors can't trade. This could lead to more eaisly avalible equipment, I think there would be a limit thou. Generators couldn't be traded etc. I think that it might help the humans in a bunch of Unbalanced claims. Players could not trade to same Ip address characters would stop cheating and it could lead to characters traveling round Malton selling there wares which would be fun to see. My regards it's a great game and I've got a bunch of my freinds playing now too. Thanks from me and them [[User:Athur birling]]<br />
:Heya. If you want to make a suggestion for an addition to the game you should go [[suggestions|here]]. In the meantime check out [[Frequently_Suggested#Giving_or_Trading_Items|this]] which explains why trading is generally seen as a bad idea. Anyway, welcome to the totally awesome UD wiki!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The [http://www.urbandead.com/faq.html#trade FAQ] does hint at trading, but he also says it will take lots of thought. I imagine the coding would be nightmarish too. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::you know what link? you're alllllllllllllllllright.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks {{unsigned|Athur birling}}<br />
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==Making a list? Checking it Twice?==<br />
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We getting a chrimbo update? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow? ==<br />
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Are you hiding it under your cap? Or NO SNOW FOR MALTON WINTER 08'? I miss mah flakie friends! --[[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 21:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:[http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a841/a841.gif Al Gore was right]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd like to put in another vote for snow! I missed the fog this year at Halloween and the snow really added some nice flavour in my opinion. --[[User:Queen Mum|Queen Mum]] 00:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Need moar snow. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== what, no more newspapers? ==<br />
they don't seem to be showing up in hospitals anymore. got rid of them, eh? any chance of them coming back, i love smacking people with 'em! :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:They should be somewhere else maybe? It was annoying with them in hospies. Luckily all ma guys have them already :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Still plenty of places to find [[newspapers]], guys. lrn2wiki. <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, there are no more newspapers in Hospitals. I search them often, and not in ages have I found a newspaper therein. Update that wiki page? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Same here. Seems safe to update. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== I can't smash Xmas lights??? ==<br />
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Those darned Whos! I hate them!! But seriously, the option to smash christmas lights in a ruined building is not available. This is blatant discrimination against zombie scrooges. I protest! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:My apologies. I figured it out. :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hi, I'm a big fan. I finally found your talk page and I have a question, can you reinstall headshots in Monroeville as the humans think they can take down us zeds........--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leaving nice messages for Kevan is fine, however we have a system for suggesting improvements. Please go to [[Developing_Suggestions|Developing Suggestions]] and suggest it there. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 19:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Character Deleted == <br />
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I wanted to make sure that this [[Fixed_Bugs#Teleport_across_Malton_and_level_0_account||bug]] was fixed but it appears that it is not fixed. If you are on the edge of Malton and go to http:urbandead.com/map.cgi?v=100-99 it will mess up your character. I did this with my charachter Yark and now whenever I log in I can't perform any actions with him, and it seems his skills have been deleted: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815674 --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 20:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No! Yark! =( -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Just replicated it by going from 0,99 to 0,100 in New Arkham with a random throwaway I just made: [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1442227 Testy McTesterson]. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I hate to say it, I killed mister <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=142058 password]</span>. After more poking, I have observed even more; Couple of AP and permadeath, I'm the first to go from Spicer Hills to Dakerstown instantly. I'll work out more details when my IP hits refresh, as I just used a proxy that I didn't much like. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::<nowiki>:</nowiki>'( --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::password will live on. (and probably be revivificated) Also, what about 100-100? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::[[:Image:Testy.jpg|We're alive!!]] =D We're level 0 and we've got a zombie chewing on us, but we're alive!! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Fixed. I've dropped Yark into a random, secure building, and given the character 1000XP to get up and running again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The bug? Or Yark? password and Testy are level 0.. The bug was interesting, odd behaviour, but it would be nice if after a server reset you could be free to move again. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 18:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The bug. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 18:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Project Namespace ==<br />
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we have few projects, yet i was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting to have them in their own namespace. Thus projects like [[The Great Mall Project]] and [[ALiM]] would be located in [[Project:The Great Mall Project]] and [[Project:ALiM]]. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but "Project" is a builtin alias for whatever the name of the wiki is (here it's "UDWiki"). e.g. [[Project:Administration]] is the same as [[UDWiki:Administration]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Darn, forgot about that. Maybe in the plural then, [[Projects:The Great Mall Project]] --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::That would just be confusing.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Just Plain Vanity ==<br />
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Any chance of a {{Udspan|''' Dermot O'Leary was still alive and active one month into the Borehamwood quarantine.'''}} ? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== about the admin team ==<br />
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how do you feel about the current sysop team of the wiki ? do you have any problems with how we run things ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:does he give a fuck? recent history would suggest probably not. Stop fishing for compliments hagnat. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:okay that came out a little harsh, but i don't see why you want to bring kevan into this other than for your own gratification. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Hedging much? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 13:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::It's pretty easy to predict what he's going to say. Why would he complain? You can't have nothing to do with your own games wiki then rock up and say 'i hate the way you people run it' and then disappear again. Unless he wants to get involved in the wiki again kevan ''can't'' say he has a problem with the way they run it. Although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Easier than that, last time someone asked him to weigh in on promotions his response was that he basically didn't want his opinion brought into the matter. So No Comment is probably the best bet.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Me? I'm just the guy who provides the hosting, here - I'll step in if there are server issues, or if a rogue bureaucrat locks the wiki down, but everything else is up to the community. If I wanted to have a say in wiki policy, or who should and shouldn't be a sysop, I'd already be doing that. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::J3D 1, haggy, zerrro. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Hey, he gives a fuck about how the community is run. He just won't say how much or what he gives a fuck about. :D --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span></small> 02:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I think Hagnat's concerned for his sysop status. I would be too if I was a ''trusted user'' that was acting against the wishes of the community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop right there Iscariot! I am sick and tired of you constantly saying that every sysop on the team is going agaisnt the wishes of the community! Most of the community never has a problem with the current admin team, and when they do it's rarely a huge problem. Now you come on Kevan's page and still continue the bad mouthing. Just face it, no matter what you will never be pleased with the administration and so you will constantly have to pretend that the whole community is on your side so that you will feel right in your head.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::How many people are there playing the game? How many are on this wiki? Yes, some people don't have time to spend on anything other than playing the game, but how many people are putting hours a day into the meta game and ''still'' won't touch this wiki without an exceptional reason? And how many of those people have told you that the current administration team is one of the primary reasons? My total ''will'' beat yours. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The wiki is an information source. Almost everything is explained in game when you encounter it (1st death, 1st Rez. etc.) So, not every one needs to touch the wiki or even use it as a resource. <br />
::::The wiki is the worst place to organize and meta-game. Just ask DHPD. When we were just Project:T.I.M.E. (well, before the Dead/DoDH) we were seriously outnumbered by them, but because they had all of their profiles linked on here and updated where they were going to be and who they were working with and so on we knew enough about them to take them out. The wiki shouldn't be for the meta-game it should be for information. That's why most groups of note have an off site forum to metagame. You can't blame the current staff because people have figured out that giving away too much information on their groups is bad thing.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::That has so little to do with what iscariot said.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Get it off Kevan's page. He doesn't need to be bothered with a dispute between users. Have it out on each others talk pages, or even mine, just don't start bringing it here. Okay?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 01:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I know, I'm sorry. I just wanted to counter Iscariot's comment because I know exactly what he's trying to accomplish by posting that. I, unlike Iscariot, am done here now.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Much as I hate the way Iscariot is going about his crusade I have to say he does have a point. The sysop team probably does not represent the view of even a large minority of players and that explains why so few players contribute. Not that i think its all the Admin teams fault, but the rules they follow and enforce reflect a community that no longer exist. Most sysops were promoted long before most current players even heard of the game yet the tag "trusted user" is still attached to the title "SYSOP". Few current wiki users vouched for them and fewer still of the actual player base and yet they still cling to positions claiming that "popular" votes undermine the system! They are right that popularity does not mean competence but... Franky i find it a bit odd that sysops can claim the label "trusted user" and not be willing to allow the community to confirm that label. Look back to Conn's promotion bid, or Boxy's or Hagnats or even Kareks and even without checking i can say with confidence that at least half those that vouched are no longer active.... Now i personally '''Would''' vouch for them all but my point is that they were not voted in by the current community and the claims that they are trusted users wear very thin in light of the fact that they do not seem willing to trust the communities opinion on pretty much any issue!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The sysop team doesn't have to represent the view of a large majority of players, it only has to represent the view of the wiki community. Whenever I play a browser game I don't always sign up to their forums/wiki/whatever they have. A large portion of users probably won't bother contributing to the wiki because so many other users already are. If I was to ask you, "what needs contributing to on the wiki?", I'm sure you probably won't have many answers. The only things of note are suggestions and suburb reports, and not everybody is interested in that (and the drama which comes with each of them). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:26/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::I have a few, if you want a list feel free to pester me some time.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 02:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree that the only bits of the wiki that interest most players are the Maps, suggestions and suburb reports (I include maps because i assumed you had forgotten them?) that said i do think that the system is set up to support the views of long time players (contributors) rather than the new players who are actually the lifeblood of the game. While obviously the wiki needs to pay some attention to long time editors like me,wan,cyberbob,ahlg,etc... i would think it would be far more important to promote the wiki to new uers. I still play (and i hope/assume that those named do too) and i would hope that everyone on the admin team does to but it has to be said that without change the game becomes dull and people leave. If the wiki and its admin team does not reflect the changing demographic of the game it is missing what is surely a fundemental point for its existence?--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I remembered the maps, but I did not include them because there is very little to nothing which a new user can contribute to (which is what I'm focusing on). I agree, we should encourage new users to join and contribute, however most of the other work is maintence which doesn't exactly draw the crowd. If you have an idea which would encourage new productive users to sign up then I'ld like to hear it. I'ld be more then happy to help flesh out any ideas you may have. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:50/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::::I think my wiki Urban Dead game could draw in some people to play. They could even make their own once I finish the template. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Autoconfirmed group ==<br />
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Hi Kevan. Just want to ask a quick question. We've had a couple of policies about setting up an autoconfirmed group recently and I thought it might be a good idea to check in with you about it. Depending on the result of [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Autoconfirmed Group Trial|this policy]] would you been willing to implement an autoconfirmed group on the wiki as a trial to see how we get on with it? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No problem. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks. =) -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Quick Questions ==<br />
Sorry to take up your time, but I'm just wandering what you think of the games on the Related Games page. (ie, Nexus War, Shartak, Outbreak, etc). Also on Shartak, Leaky Blocks (It's creator) said that you encouraged Shartak's developement and that you play shartak. Is that true?--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 15:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Shartak's the only spinoff I've played, and yes, Simon/Leaky is an old friend of mine. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Why no chainsaws ==<br />
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:''content moved to [[User_talk:Jakezing|Jakezing talk page]]''<br />
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== Updating the Wiki software, 2.0 ==<br />
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The wiki software, as it stands, is two years old (ish, in the coming month.) As well as the obvious bugfixes and minor changes that can't be gone into detail here, 1.13.3 of MediaWiki has some useful new features that we could use:<br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
*Image undeletion enabled by default<br />
*A prettier [[Special:Specialpages|list of special pages]] (compare to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages Wikipedia's])<br />
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There are heaps of other changes-you can look at the release notes linked [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/News here]. I know that updating the server will take some time, but it would be nice if you could add it to your busy schedule.<br />
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<sub>I stole some of that list from [[User:The General|The General]] above</sub><br />
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Would this increase information between the server and peers= server load increase? {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 12:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think so. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I can't see how it would, but I can't say for sure. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:It's on the to-do list. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Awesome, thanks.--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel -</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks Kevan. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What's your view on adding extensions to the wiki? I'm not talking anything specific here, just in general. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Xmas ==<br />
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Xmas is over, and there are clearly no more Xmas decorations or trees, but the update message was not changed, and there is still the option to hold onto Xmas decorations if found. Perhaps removing that option (and next year posting when Xmas is over) would be helpful? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 13:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Don't take away my Christmas trees... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Christmas trees have been a vehicle for meta-challenges and games when they do pop up. It's fun flavor even in the middle of the year. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool]] and the [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool II]] are a couple examples. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::In sounds like you guys think I am requesting trees be removed altogether. I am not. I mean, the announcement still exists on the main page about the trees and light being available, even though they no longer are, so I am suggesting cycling the announcement to something "current".--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow ==<br />
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Perhaps I have missed something, but did the livestock and industry prevent snowfall last winter? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Misconduct Case Feb 2009==<br />
A user has brought a case over on [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#The_Entire_Sysop_Team.2C_excluding_Kevan_and_.22Urbandead.22|the Administration: Misconduct page]] that indicts every member of the administration team except your personal account and the Urban Dead admin account also controlled by yourself. Due to the obvious problems with ruling on cases in which you are also a named party, none of the current administration team may rule on the case (that is if they conform to the community's policies). Would it be possible for you to quickly look over the case and either rule misconduct or not misconduct to prevent unnecessary fall out? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Pretty sure Kevan isn't going to buy into this shit fyi --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I think you're mistaking me for Read. Fact is, that case is going to sit there for a couple of weeks whilst you and he debate the finer points of whatever it is you discuss. If an involved sysop (as they all are) removes it then we're asking for drama. Kevan can spend five minutes and solve the whole thing for the community, even if he just states that he declines to get involved and rule, which will obviously mean that the sysops cannot be found guilty of misconduct and this will allow the case to be archived. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I may have to agree with Iscariot here. Getting Kevan to say something, anything, will be the only way to end the case without pissing off Read and causing him to file another misconduct case to whomever is the sysop responsible for breaking procedure and then causing a '''huge''' wave of drama, and we all know he's chomping at the bit for something truly substantial to hit the administration with.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 18:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The amount of drama someone causes is only as much as everyone else allows them to (I wasn't mistaking you for Read btw Iscariot; I wasn't intending to implicate you whatsoever). If nobody feeds the troll he will eventually starve to death. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::My opinions on Read, yourself, the sysop team and Santa Claus aren't involved here. The simple fact that allowing the precedent of an involved party to remove a case shouldn't be something we're striving for. Personally I'd rather have Kevan rule, and I think we all know which way. However provided that Kevan publicly responds in some way, even if that response is ''"I'm not ruling, I don't get involved"'', then we have a way to remove the case validly. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::kk --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Read was irrelevant, he wouldn't have continued it and Iscariot has no intentions here but to try and cause said drama. It's what he always does, jumping on something someone else made and perverting it for his own attempts at causing needless drama and faux rebellion to stroke his ego that the sysops who punish him for his actions aren't trusted by the community. The validity of the case was never relevant to his trying to stir shit, neither was the legitimacy of any action a sysop could take in response to it, to him it's all gonna be called abuse. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Not seeing any reason to get involved here; either the misconduct system is poorly worded, or it's being misinterpreted. You shouldn't be able to accuse all but one sysop of misconduct, and allow that one sysop to judge the rest. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::yase, justice have prevailed --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 23:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Massive Zerging in Dunell Hills ==<br />
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About three days ago a large number of new characters all called "TheDeadDie" (i.e., TheDeadDie1 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467702, TheDeadDie15 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467737, etc.) started appearing in Dunell Hills. The first the DHPD heard of it was this iWitness report.<br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-10-09_2000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_5-36_zergertown_a5d-400-1db.html<br />
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There are now, apparently, over 100 of these characters.<br />
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Obviously there is an outside possibility this is a large group of new players but, on the whole, it looks like zerging on a massive scale.<br />
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The DHPD are currently trying to find out more about the situation and deal with it. We thought we should give you a heads up, however, in case there was something obvious in the server logs that would provide definitive proof of zerging and allow swift action to be taken at your end. We understand that you normally prefer to keep out of zerging cases, but this looks pretty outrageous to us and we thought you should, at least, know about it. [[User:Louise|Louise]] 11:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Aye, [[HKL]] ran into this bunch as well and were pretty put-off. [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-11-09_0200hrs_PRIVATE/IN_5-36_Dead_Zerg_Rush__a51-c5d-8a0.html Another iWitness] with even more of them crowded in. Profile search for [http://profiles.urbandead.net/index.php?name=TheDeadDie* TheDeadDie*] shows 102 of them at the moment. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::zergs like that are usually a flash in the pan. 10 bucks says they all idle out before level 3--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 15:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible big ass Zerg in Yagoton ==<br />
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Ok: We have ALOT of Fing lvl 1 free runnerfs hiding in St. Swithuns (which i am guessing you know is a revive point), its caded thanks to the idiots trying ot take over: and I'm guessing this mass colection of lvl 1 free runners (they all have free running only) are bots? They all joined around the exact same time as well.<br />
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*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471315<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471341<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471355<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471480<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471498<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471519<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=163604<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471501<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471358<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471347.<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471324<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471331<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471350<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471366<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471492<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471504<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471367<br />
:Those are the links, srry bout stretching but i forget which one tabs it into a Number.<br />
::Heres a picture of them all in one area. http://i43.tinypic.com/2lwr7k1.jpg<br />
:::Srry bout the mess this is making on the talk.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Take the list to resensitized, that's about all that you can do. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 05:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::One question about that picture. Where'd you get a version of UDToolbar that works with the latest version of Firefox? --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 08:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I just downloaded one? What's different about it? Also theres even more zergs now.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 13:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Jake, unlike how some folks would be I'll be nice here...Kev doesn't do anything about Zergs from info received on the wiki. as a matter of fact Kevan doesn't do a whole lot unless there was a significant amount of community input via the suggestions page and even then it is at his leisure. The Zerg issue is pretty much handled by other folks on the resens list and even then its pretty catch as catch can. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 19:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::No wonder UD fail so hard.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::As many have said before, if you don't like it, then leave. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I think he has sadism issues, as we try and try to get him to leave, but he always keeps coming back for moar abuse. It's sad really.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::You can tell me to go but that doesnt give you the power to make it happen.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I'm not telling you to leave, but it would probably be a good decision if you think UD fails. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 15:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::That's masochism, not sadism. --{{User:William Told/Sig}} 01:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Random Request ==<br />
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Next time you create a new city, any chance of bringing back the junkyard and wirecutters combo? Cheers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:+1. I have to admit to being bitterly disappointed to find open junkyards in Monroeville. :'( {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==TOU/S==<br />
Do we have a Terms of use/service page? I've been looking for a while, and I don't seem to see one. It'd be nice if we did, because then we'd know things that are expressly forbidden due to hosting issues and the like.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:If you cannot find it: it does not exist.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 22:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Oh piss off. No one is fooled by your act, so please just fuck off. Kevan? Do we have a list of things that are forbidden due to country laws, hosting issues, etc. or not (Not necessarily meaning it's available on this site, but one that you know about that pertains to the wiki)? I mean, yeah there are a few "duh" sort of ones, like no kiddie porn and stuff, but others I have no idea about. Any help?--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.com This site] (domain tools,) says that [http://www.as29550.net/ this] is his ISP, server located in England. The ISP has an "Abuse of TOS" email address, so presumably they have a TOS, although I can't find it. I have no idea about English law. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::From time on another, more combative, site I have a layman's understanding of British Law as it applies to defamation, slander, libel and the nature of physical threats and illegal actions that appertain to the settlement of the aforementioned. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::A brief education by the University of Google finds no such laws relating to death threats, but I would imagine that such a law would be buried deep in things like criminal codes. If it comes to it, I'll ask one of my teachers about the (Australian) legal system when it comes to these things, or one of my parents (both lawyers.) That said, that's ''Australian'' law, but our law is pretty similar to that of the UK. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Back in the Day Xoid and I had to do some research on the TOS because of a user abusing in serious violation of them. However I've gone looking and haven't been able to find the references anywhere still on the Wiki. It was probably on a talk page of some article that was deleted in an edit without being archived. The primary gist of it was this... any form of intimidation that went beyond a certain level of namecalling and usual wiki BS was a violation, ESPECIALLY if it included "real world"<sup>tm</sup> threats of harm or violence. Also included were any situation where hosted domains were used to damage the effectiveness of another website or host (as an example you couldn't use any part of the host to launch a d.o.s. attack on another domain. Not that this was really possible by anyone but Kevan. Also iirc the Wiki and the Game were on different hosts at teh time but I'm pretty sure that has changed since then. I don't know. I was never the techno-savant of the group and my memory is hazy. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Thanks Conn, that's a little bit of what I'm looking for. Just waiting for a response from the big man about all this now.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I also thought we had some basic terms on the wiki somewhere, but maybe we don't. The Poundhost terms of service are [http://www.poundhost.com/tos/ here]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Thank you, I'll start working on a page for the wiki.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 14:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|Semi-protection]] ==<br />
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...Was approved. I think all you have to do is change the autoconfirmed group to 1 week and 25 edits. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Going to update the config, it turns out that [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAutoConfirmCount $wgAutoConfirmCount] needs a later version of MediaWiki; this will either have to wait for a MediaWiki upgrade, or be reproposed without the edit count. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::We'll wait for the MediaWiki upgrade, there's no hurry. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wiki_Questions#Time_Travel?|Time Travel]] ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, we've just had a very weird thing happening with the edit histories. Where you trying to do something or was it just a bug? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No, I wasn't around at the time, I've no idea what that was about. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Okay, thanks. I'll do some poking at the Mediawiki help files if I have time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ever gonna update the game? ==<br />
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a lot of people are quitting the game.it's because you won't update the game. you need to push for 2-3 updates per month. i'm telling you so your game does not suffer. please update the game for the people's sake--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:How many games do you run, Yokotory? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Well I do run track and Cross-country. I ski on the weekends.Do you run at any games or track meets?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, rowing and weights are my sporting loves. The difference is that I'm not telling you how to run or ski, whilst you are trying to tell Kevan how to run a game which is heading toward four years of lifespan without once having had your help. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::I refuse to believe that Jerrel wasn't being a smartarse there. The concept of him actually taking your words in that way for real is just too retarded for words. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 06:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::He was kidding wasn't he?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I believe they call it intentional misinterpretation, an example of me employing that very device is on either Boxys or kareks talk page, something to do with alim and hagnat...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I was faced with the choice of believing that he's either cripplingly unfunny or a functionally illiterate retard. The evidence all pointed to 'Retard' so I went with that and answered as though serious.--[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 12:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
No, I'm telling him that his game is going into despair, whilist he is doing nothing about it.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And you're also telling him how to 'fix' it, which amounts to exactly what I said. Care to back up your claims? How far have numbers fallen in the last six months? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I really don't think a 'lack' of updates is the reason for dropping numbers. I'm not 100% sure the balance of some of the more recent updates is quite right but that isn't my call. But the game doesn't need a barrage of updates coming out every other month. The slow progression of the game over time gives it longer life than having quick fix after quick fix to keep people with low attention spans happy.--[[User:DI Marc Sweeny|DI Sweeny]] 01:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The numbers seems to have stagnated, actually. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
I'd like to thank you Kevan for taking your sweet time in updating the game. It's making it a little less full of people entirely incapable of self-motivation, thus making it more fun. Kudos to you sir. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Acctully Kevan is my idol. kevan is a good person for what he's doon.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 02:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Isn't this the dude who nominated himself for sysop after 200 edits? Yoko, do you think you could whip us up a cross-country and/or track MMORPG? Because that would be ''awesome''. Throw in some chainsaws, too, and maybe some crucifixes that shoot laser beams. You would totally show up Kevan! --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 04:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Okay, Now you all think I'm a retard. Sorry for pointing out what everyone else could not see. Sorry for pointing out the obvious. Most people in this game, (the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats, pardon me)would agree with me a think this game needs a freakin update. I take cybertonics and Coding as a special class at GU and I know it's hard to code, I've tryed it. But Kevan IS A TRAINED SPECIALIST. He could redo this entire game in a half hour if he wanted too. sooooo, whays a 1 UPDATE PER MONTH? is that so hard to ask?????<br />
add a new weopon, new builing, something. Please.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Last year kevan gave us 18 updates including 2 new cities. Give him a rest. {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And most all of them had someone complaining about the game being made harder or more complicated. A few legitimately, most because it screwed with their status quo. I have absolutely no clue why he would want to take his time between updates.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Making an update is a '''lot''' more than just coding it. The balance needs to be thought of thoroughly and it needs to be tested. These things take time. Sure, Kevan could probably push out ''one update a week'' if he wanted to and wasn't lazy, but those would be unbalanced and buggy updates. Unbalanced and buggy updates are more likely to drive people away than a lack of updates. The game simply doesn't need to change every month, not even every couple of months. If you find the game boring, ''go and do something interesting and different yourself''. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 09:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. Lots of rushed, unbalanced updates would simply destroy the game (and it has nearly [[On Strike|got to that point]] before.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Finally someone who agrees with me!!! Why drag out updates?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 21:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:"the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats" - Just so you know, I'm neither. Carry on. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm actually the only sysop to comment in this conversation - and I did it [[Talk:Main_Page#Out_of_date.3F|here]] (with the exception of Karek, who'll be [[A/DM|demoted soon.]]) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I find myself in the middle of this arguement, in terms of the two sides. On the one hand, I don't want Kevan to break the game balance every week, fix it and then break it in a different way the next week, but on the other I feel that an update is about due.<br />
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Besides, I think an update every two months or so isn't much of an ask, even if its just adding an item from the PR suggestions. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Can we please close this topic? Everyone wants to say something about Jerrel's ridiculous statement but I don't think it's worth the spam that it's leaving on Kevan's page. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Im sure on the 1st of april there will be an update. usually is! {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
Hey!!!! Everyone that wants an update should get together and go on strike!!!!!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop talking now. A strike for something as lame-assed as this is nothing short of pitiful. You are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
[[Image:Update.JPG]] because i had already done this and it seems a shame to waste such a half assed effort. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with both sides of this. I believe we need updates BIG TIME, but I also believe Jerrel has no right blaming Kevan. He's probably a busy man. As for a strike: No. Plain and simple. Now, can we stop spamming Kevan's pages please? Kthzbye. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::What do we so badly need an update for? The game is well balanced and has a fairly complex and robust play. More fiddly little detail skills likely won't improve that play any, and won't draw in / hold onto more players. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 06:40, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
Why won't Kevan Reply back to this?<br />
<br>I know i was being kind of offensive to you Kevan, so sorry.<br />
<br> But would you mind telling me WHY you won't update the game?<br />
I mean, you gave us two new cities last year!<br />
<br> and i appriciate it, but the game hasn't been updated since 2008!<br />
so, if you don't mind, i would really like to hear what you have to say.<br />
<br> (And please don't flip out on me, even though I have been a jerk)<br />
<br> And i'm also apologizing for being a jerk too.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 01:33, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Making new cities brings in motherfuckin' cash money. Adding skills and what have you doesn't. Comprende? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:28, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:We had an update just 15 days ago! --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 08:55, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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WE DID NOT! LOOK AT THE FREAKING UD START PAGE! NO UPDATE-PREHENDA?----[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 04:18, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Erm, the [[April Fool's]] Day update, the one that happens every year? My god you're dense. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:01, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
<nowiki>*facepalms*</nowiki><br />
<br>Sorry kevan, i usually get all my updates from the game.<br />
<br>nothing unusual happened to me on april 1st though.<br />
<br>i think i'm losing myself.<br />
<br>I AUTHERIZE TOPIC SELF-DESTRUCTION!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 15:52, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:In a word: Fail. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:59, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::He spams Kevan's talk page with so much crap I want to take him to VB... {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:36, 19 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:::I still say kevan should get some people to help him run the game, its rather fun and large for one person ot have to run alone. Oh and I'm not saying me, no I'd abuse it by banning a 4rth of the game and making revives harder again.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 23:58, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Donated Characters == <br />
Any chance that the "This character is no longer affected by the IP limit." banner that appears on your profile if you have donated $5 could be shown to everyone that visits the profile, not just the owner of the profile.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:exhibitionist. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And proud.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I think there's people who would not want that. Maybe if it was an option you could allow / turn off via settingas? {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:39, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I'd have it say "This character has been donated for.", but really, it's basically just showing off – link to your wiki page from your profile and [[Template:Donated|show off there]]. Oh, and I think you meant to post this in [[Developing Suggestions]]. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 08:12, 20 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I would totally come back to just pk people who have donated.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 04:37, 26 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::You've left?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 16:17, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Standing Zombies ==<br />
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Kevan, I can't find the topic from last time around, but the borehamwood stats. Standing zombies means literally that doesn't it. Active zombies with greater than 0 hit points? Not just active zombie characters? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:52, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Question about the last Update ==<br />
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"Survivors are once again looting the long-abandoned seasonal storerooms of the city's shopping malls, to find lights and trees for their safehouses." I'm assuming Christmas season in Malton is really long then, just wondering what kind of in game explanation we could use, --[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:01, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:"The snow has subsided and survivors are ready to feel bad about themselves again". Not that an explanation matters. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 03:11, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
::No, it's just5 that it seems awkward ot explain why we are still getting christmas trees in the middle of spring thats all: and we might wanna get a explanation, or kevan could take them out in a mini-update.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 2 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Where to suggest technical issues? ==<br />
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I have gathered [[User:Tumu/GameTech|a list of technical issues]] which might need a look (as they have been unfixed since 2007), but they don't exactly fit the bug reports page either (not user visible/annoying issues). Would this be more appropriate place to get a review for them? --[[User:Tumu|Tumu]] 09:26, 25 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:They do seem unlike those that go to [[Bug Reports]], but I think the best place ''would'' be to take them there. I'm only suggesting that however because no one else has given you any direction, and I apoligise for that. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:57, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Noted; there do seem to be a few weird oversights in there. Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:14, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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::Speaking of weird things, is it intentional for Flesh Rotters to get the benefits while alive? I'd have thought that since they were alive, their flesh wasn't rotting, so they wouldn't get the Flak+Body Building effects while alive. I'd like to know, because I'm going to make a suggestion to have it that way if its current effect is intended. if it's not intended, then this can be moved to Bug Reports. Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:41, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Bub's in danger! ==<br />
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Just so you know, a page dedicated to your character [[Bub]] is up for deletion. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:51, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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Yeah kevan please come and save that great page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:20, 29 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== A few things ==<br />
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Firstly, about that MediaWiki upgrade. Sorry if I'm pestering you, it's just that it would be quite useful (an upgrade to Checkuser would be nice as well, I've seen screenshots of a later version and it looks like it streamlines the process a little.)<br />
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Secondly, a user asked me the other day (a few weeks ago) about a problem he was having in my chatbox:<br />
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{{Quote|VI|Link, I need haaaaalp! I'm trying to make a shoutbox, here. The problem: when I, to get rid of the horizontal scrollbar, use "overflo*w:auto" instead of "overflow:scroll" the wiki's spam filter won't let me use that code. I don't know if you can edit the spamfilter (I'm wiki illiterate), but do you know how I can fix this? Thanks a ton. VI 22:05, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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I confirmed it myself, and wrote<br />
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{{Quote|Linkthewindow|Hmm... that's really odd. I can't edit the spam filter (at least not what I know of,) but I need to as Kevan about something {*cough*MediaWiki upgrade*cough*) so I'll ask him then. For future reference, I'll need this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features page]. Linkthewindow Talk 22:29, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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Finally, and on a pedantic note, would it be okay if you could turn the Guides namespace into a proper one? So [[Talk:Guides:Shelter]] is rendered as Guides talk:Shelter. As far as I know, there are a few in the Guide: namespace too, so we'll have some moving to do if this is done (sysops, of course.)<br />
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Thanks for your time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:58, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:I second this nudge.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:03, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:"over<nowiki></nowiki>flow:auto" is a standard spambot trick for hiding all their links in a 1px div, which I think we were having trouble with a few years ago. The filtering is possibly hardcoded somewhere.<br />
:If there's general support for another namespace, point me at the discussion and I'll add it.<br />
:Updating MediaWiki is on the list, but below "update the actual game" at the moment. I'll fit it in when I can. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:12, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Okay, then thanks. It's not a big deal about the spam filter, I'll start a discussion at [[Talk:Guides]] (although I can't see it being a big deal) and thanks about the upgrade. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:15, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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Kevan will doo it! Also, happy very belated birthday (13 May?) assuming your Amazon wishlist is correct!<tt>:D</tt> --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:24, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Oh, and don't [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|forget about this]] <tt>;)</tt>. And happy belated birthday! Only one month late. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:24, 4 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Suggesting Suggestions Change ==<br />
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I want your opinion on a proposed change I have to the Suggestions Layout. I’d think it would be more efficient to have a normal suggestions area, a clothing suggestions area, and a humorous suggestions area, all with links listed one after the other on the main voting page. I also see the humorous suggestions layout is a bit confusing, and I would recommend splitting it into 2 parts, the funny and the non-funny, then splitting it into the many categories (areas of effect) under each heading. I’d also ask if the humorous suggestions voting process would become something similar to the normal process, with each suggestion open for 2 weeks, but no SPAM votes (just FUNNY or NOT FUNNY). Would this be a viable option? I’d think the layout changes should at least make it easier to find and view them all.<br />
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I would also like to know if there’s a process for suggesting that certain stuff be added to the Frequently Suggested section on the main voting area. There seem to be some common ones I’d like to have added to the list.<br />
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I also have a question about the normal voting process that only you can answer. Does SPAM=STRONG KILL? I see it’s still a common issue today, and it’s still debated if you can vote SPAM for a strong kill, or only vote SPAM if a suggestion is game-breaking or horribly unnecessary. Also, could you check the voting guidelines section and make sure it matches whatever your decision is? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:46, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:In too many years of wasted time here I don't recal Kevan ever directly commenting on suggestions (or indeed much of anything else) so I doubt he is going to start now. Personally I wouldn't worry about where a suggestion heads just so long as its not unjustly '''SPAMMED''' and that's pretty rare. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:51, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::He does things every once in a while, when it actually requires his attention. Normally his hands off approach works pretty well because we manage to handle everyhting.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:58, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Okay, well, what are your takes on this then?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 18:11, 23 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Huge Ruin bug could leave the whole of [[Borehamwood]] caded in less than a month. ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, <br />
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Wednesday night a member of my borehamwood survivor group did a very large suicide repair, when he logged himself back on, he found he had 50ap and the building was repaired.<br />
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Thursday night, I attempted my own suicide repair and yet again the same thing happened.<br />
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We've done a lot of suicide repairs and as such we know that these were the highest repairs we have attempted. And they both worked. To check our findings, we asked another survivor to repeat the experiment, to confirm our spadework was correct. <br />
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It was. Not only that, but this survivor was able to enact the repair, recade the building to ehb and then enact ANOTHER suicide repair, which left them BACK on 50ap. In fact the survivor managed to repeat this 6 times. With one character. In one day. Before the 300 IP for one character kicked in. <br />
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At this time 4 of us survivors know the exact technique, but at least 10 others are pretty close to working it out (AP levels etc). I reckon by sunday all 51 survivors will have worked it out.<br />
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As it stands the whole challenge of surviving borehamwood is moot. We can't do coma repairs on 99% of buildings without this happening, and Im not expecting zeds to hang around with this giant loophole. It also destroys the smugness us survivors have from surviving for 6 months. <br />
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All 4 survivors who do know the trick have currently stopped repairing buildings within the range, but I can't control the whole population.<br />
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At the minute survivors could repair the whole of NE Borehamwood, Radlett or Elstree in a day, 1 survivor could reclaim the big brother house on their own, <br />
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Apologies for the lack of screenshots, but with permadeath as it is, we don't want to give away our position. <br />
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It seems to be a dupe of the following case on bug reports. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Bug_Reports#Massively_negative_AP_causes_AP_reset<br />
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Apologies for posting it here, but I felt the game breaking nature of this bug warrants the intrusion. Let me know if you need more details. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Thanks. Building repair has now been temporarily disabled in Borehamwood and Monroeville, while this is fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:46, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::When you say massive repair, do you mean it's bringing you to under -255 AP? I could think of some weird wrapping thing happening when the AP gets too negative and it tries to make it positive or something, capping at the 50 AP norm. 255's the magic number for how large a single byte can represent. It's may have something to do with what type of data Kevin's storing AP with - integer, double, float, etc. (whoo edit conflicted by Kevan) --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:49, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::The cutoff point (Now its banned) is -150ap Any suicide repair that takes you below this value creates the reset. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::::Very strange... -150 to 50 is a range of 200, nothing particularly significant. Then again, I have no idea how Kevan coded AP regen. Now the big repair costs have come back to bite in an ironic kind of way, eh? :P --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:53, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Its quite a wide range. Theres probably been only a handful of such building in Malton's history. Borehamwood has a whole cities worth. If it takes a while kev can we have an amnesty in the cities? Those pesky zeds are always chewing on our cades. I wouldn't mind but I've only got one life. :).--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:55, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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:This bug has now been fixed, and repairs have been enabled again in the other two cities. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:08, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Thanks Kevan! Swiftly done I must say. May all your future updates be bug free.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:10, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Twenty minutes... I'm hella impressed. Thanks for fixing this. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 17:18, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Wut? But half way up are the oldest posts, then they go up, then they go down... Thsi page is confusing ...--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Pointless [[Borehamwood]] request == <br />
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Can we have a public broadcasting system too? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:57, 3 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks for updating ==<br />
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Just wanted to say thanks for updating the game, I realize it's probably not high on your list of priorities. I'm sure everyone who plays appreciates it. --[[User:Mike411|Mike411]] 00:25, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
: Same here, Thanks Kev --[[User:Imthatguy|Imthatguy]] 04:41, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|This bug]] ==<br />
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As promised, I'm just giving you a heads up regarding [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|this display error]] that happens when UDToolbar interacts with the new update. We suspected it was a clash between the UDToolbar's manual HP colouriser and the new update colouriser, and Moonshine was able to go through some code to try and give you a hand. You may have already seen it, but hopefully what Moonshine and others have done can help you. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 14:27, 6 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Grammar Error==<br />
Just so you know, there's a grammatical error in the Fort Transmitter broadcast message:<br />
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''You broadcast [message] on 25.97 MHz, the using the fort's secure channel.''<br />
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It isn't going to break the game or anything, but it does make it look a little... 'sloppy'. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 21:54, 5 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:There is a page to report these [[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead|here]]. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<big><u><span style="color:DarkSlateGray">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkBlue ">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkSlateBlue">ℜ</span></u></big>]] 03:30, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:18, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Open Discussion/Borehamwood How Was It For You?]] ==<br />
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Community opinions on Borehamwood Collected in one place. Hope it helps with future projects. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:07, 13 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Something that might give you a laugh... ==<br />
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Here I was bored and tired so I wrote this, I thought it might be funny and I think you may find it even more so given it's nature, [[Developing_Suggestions#TUCOK_-BBHHN-_.28The_United_Churches_Of_Kevan.29_-Blessed_be_his_holy_name- (The United Churches Of Kevan) -Blessed be his holy name-]] -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 09:16, 24 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Upgrading the wiki again ==<br />
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It's about that time of year. The wiki could use an upgrade, among the various features mentioned many times in the past that upgrading to a more up to date mediawiki version would provide as of [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] there is now a NewUsers log, which would be invaluable for catching throw away and vandal alt accounts like [[User:Izumi]] and [[User:3pwv]] used to use along with actually making user efforts to be welcoming like [[Welcomenewbie]] accountable and possibly useful. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] also brought in the ability to view deleted user contributions(instead of just the current ones) for sysops, the ability to omit diffs after rollback, and a fix at least one particularly exploitable checkuser bug that would allow users to screw with the ability for sysops to search the logs.<br /><br />I'd mention some of the features in previous version updates but I'm sure by now you're pretty well aware of them as it's been brought up many times in the past. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14], though, would significantly increase the ability for sysops to do their jobs when dealing with actual page vandalism and adbot spam along with helping the wiki, in general, run more smoothly from day to day.<small>([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.15 1.15])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.13 1.13])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.12 1.12])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.11 1.11])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.10 1.10])</small>--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:40, 1 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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== FYI re: "satellite phone" ==<br />
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Hi. So I recently wrote a Greasemonkey script that adds a "satellite phone" to the game. It's a simple messaging system with a user interface that embeds itself into the game, by modifying the rendered page in the user's browser, as Greasemonkey does. The thing does resemble the in-game mobile phone quite a lot, by design. Here's [[DSS Satellite Phone|more info]].<br />
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This was discussed in Brainstock [http://s1.zetaboards.com/brainstock/topic/2220895/], and some people complained about it. It was said that this unbalances the game, "overpowers" a game item, bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages. This wasn't a general opinion--I certainly find it all a bit silly--but someone then suggested that what should be done would be reporting it to you, letting you decide if this extension is improper somehow.<br />
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I thought that was sensible, so I'm "reporting myself," in a way. Just posting it here as an FYI, so you are aware of this. Cheers. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 09:15, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:Sounds like the same kinda nonsense that would see forums done away with for everyone that isn't a survivor. That thread reads very much like the person who started it did so with that intent in mind. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:00, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:: Hey that was me! I started that thread, you can clearly see my name :-( , I just started it as someone mentioned it in game and I was wondering about peoples views on it thats all.---[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 06:35, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::karek i have ''no'' idea what you're talking about whatsoever.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:18, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::''"bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages"'', the whole thread cited is mostly a few people complaining because they don't like metagaming, not particularly even regarding the tool in question. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:19, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::That being said, email tends to get a better response rate/time from him depending on the title/content/sender. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:24, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Right, cheers Karek. Thing is, I'm not really expecting a response, and I'm not comfortable spamming his mailbox with this. I really do think this is all rather silly. I'm sure the game will survive my script long enough for him to read this at his convenience here. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 06:14, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::From the sounds of it, it's just a script that facilitates metagaming. Like using MSN, or as we do, IRC... except done in-game. There's nothing zerg-tastic about it, nor does it collect data in ways that might be perceived as unfair, like DEMON or UDBrain. There's no reason to worry about what some git on Brainstock said (and BS is chock full of gits...), don't sweat it --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:20, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::::Wonder what they say about us :*( --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 07:15, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::::They don't think about us, because they're not aware we exist. Most BSers really aren't too aware that there's a whole big world of UD players outside their little board. Well, ok, I think many are vaguely aware that zombies have this forum called bar-something-dot-something. And I think most of them are aware of the DEM subgroup called Red Rum; but this subgroup was created to give the appearance of in-game competition, to get around Malton's strong antitrust laws, so it basically counts as part of their self-enclosed milieu. Finally, many of them have used the wiki, but none of them will ever admit it, it's ''that'' taboo a subject. But other than that, to BSers, there is little other than BS. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:25, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Hello Kevan. No one pestering you on this page for over a month? Crazy. Just wondering if you were planning anything for [[Borehamwood]]'s big first birthday? Its only 2 days away after all........--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I know! Blow it up! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Nuke the Big Brother House! Finally, some reality TV worth watching. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Or halve the size of monroeville everyday. No one would suspect that! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::-Let alone notice it. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 02:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Kill anything and everything in Malton. That would be a TRUE surprise.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'd be interested to see if survivors could recover. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 05:29, 27 October 2009 (BST)<br />
::Of course we could! It would take about two weeks, but we could easily do it. If you wan;t ill explain on a talk page other than the big bosses. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Tommy guns. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Halloween update timestamps ==<br />
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Seem to be missing on the new kill messages [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/11-01-09_0100hrs_PRIVATE/IN_62-14__954-071-ba1.html example] also confirmed broken without any extensions/scripts {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 02:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I realise this may very well be a feature of the halloween event but with the changing of the kill messages the missing timestamps are a bit strange, just making sure you're aware {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 04:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, it's not just a lack of timestamps. I've noticed that all of the ones that lack timestamps are also for people that are not at my location. For instance, in [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Anubis_IV/urbandead/halloween_change_bug.png this screenshot], the ones with timestamps are for people actually at my location, while none of the ones without them were people at my location (there were more actions under those, but they all had timestamps and were for people at my location). It's also interesting that some of the groups of events that took place repeat themselves a few times, and that "to talk" showed up as a contact of mine, despite the fact that he isn't. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::<s>i'm guessing it's part of the halloween event thingy, i thought the implementation of the weapon name killings screwed up because there's no period or timestamp following but now i think about it it actually makes sense to neglect them if you're going to mass fake kill people... OHEY IS THAT SOMETHING SHINY OVER THERE *runs* {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 06:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
:::This doesn't seem to be like april fools where everything is just a joke but rather quite the serious bug, they're actual events happening elsewhere in the city {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 11:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Fixed. Looks like there may have been some minor echoes from kills elsewhere in the city. It was a bug, but consider it an eerie halloween event. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Could I have a clarification, please? This bug didn't create events but some simply appeared in a different location from where they actually occurred. Correct? --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 12:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it was a bug, I can't be 100% sure. Don't kill anyone over it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::Awww, man... Alright, then! *grins* Fair enough! --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 05:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Question about Malton ==<br />
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Is Malton considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_borough metropolitan borough] and a city similar to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester Manchester] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool Liverpool] or is it considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_county metropolitan county] with each suburb being a metropolitan borough? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leave it to Akule to bring up a question like that. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I always thought of it as a city state. Like, I don't know, Monaco or something. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The same wiki that gives you the examples also gives the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malton,_North_Yorkshire answer]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::...yes, but I didn't think the fictional city of Malton was actually the real city of Malton. You know, based on the fact it is nothing [http://www.ryedale.co.uk/ryedale/malton/malton.html like it]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, there has been hints that it was based in England, but I was just curious to know how much of it was based on being located in England. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::You've never thought to know more about Malton? ;) --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::D'eh...MAYBE?!?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Borehamwood throws up even more questions, as being based on dead set IT IS based in england. Borehamwood has no gun stores in its shopping centres, and only 2 railway stations and supermarkets, so it would appear Malton IS somewhere different. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Strike time==<br />
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I am hearby requesting a striking of a ban from my vandal record as i have reached the requirements as per policy. I will be placing this request on an assortment of your peers talk pages so as to insure that this time, my striking isn't mysteriously postponed so as to further tarnish my record despite no wrong doing on my part. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 15:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Update-ah==<br />
So, what's the word on the updates being done to the wiki? Just making sure you don't forget ;) --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 18:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass >:| {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Are you in support of the Copenhagen Summit?==<br />
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Bascially I'm asking if we're having snow this year. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It's on its way. And I'm fairly comfortable with the carbon footprint of a zombie apocalypse. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers. I was wondered that the server itself was snowbound, swindon being as cold as it is. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Just realised how badly this might screw perma death survivors. Hmm. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Hmm. How long is '''temporary''' Kevan? How many hours do they take to fade? Also some of the fields in permadeath cities don't look that snowy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:17, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I can confirm this. Only one of the field colours has turned white.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's random, but averages to six hours. Fields should be fixed now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::The fields are fixed.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Any chance of bloody snow for outdoor deaths? --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 02:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::it exists check it out [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/12-22-09_2100hrs_PRIVATE/OUT_15-78__210-11a-044.html] "thick snow splashed with blood" "Blood <br />
soaks into the snow." --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 02:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== urbandead.org ==<br />
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I presume you have probably seen this but it looks like a phishing site for peoples log in, just thought I inform you of it incase you want to take action.--[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 01:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
: If you check out the "revive que" there are [[MoB]] members as well as this gentlemen [[User:GasCandle]] who is banned from editing the wiki. I didn't dig much further into the "revive list" once I saw that gentlemen. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I looked a little further and the /whois looks made up http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.org which is why a few people have mentioned it might be a scam. --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 02:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::The person who created the suspicious website has changed it. If you want to see screenshots from before it was changed, or see his explanation, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Ripf22|the A/VB case]]. --{{User:Jasonjason/sig}} 22:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Spawning]]==<br />
Just finished writing an article on it. I have a question that I can't really find out from spadework. If there were no Necrotech's in Malton below Heavily Barricaded, where would new Necrotech Assistant's spawn?<br />
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Also, UD is still only copyrighted until 2009 and I discovered a grammatical error I posted on the relevant page. Thanks. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Typos fixed. Under the current code, NecroTech staff would just start on the streets somewhere. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 08:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers fearless leader. I wish you well with the April 1st update. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 08:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hey, lazybones! ==<br />
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When the fuck are you going to get around to fixing the Goddamn game? Love 'n' kisses --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 08:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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While you're at it, try to get urbandead popular again, the number of active characters is starting to drop below 20000, maybe it's time for some advertising, eh? --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Urban Dead might be popular if it wasn't such a broken game! What with the radical, nigh-unplayable imbalance that makes it utterly pointless to play a zombie. Oh, and that worthlessness carrying over to making it such a breeze to play a survivor. I mean there's absolutely no point in being a survivor when you can just stroll around the city without risking your neck. I mean even a large, dedicated horde of zombies (of which the game has, like, ''two'') can't hold back one tenth their number in survivors.<br />
:For a zombie apocalypse game, there are fuck all zombies and there is fuck all apocalypse. The only way anyone really has fun is either griefing or sitting around roleplaying all day. And who the fuck can grief properly when the game is a buggy, unfinished pile of shit that makes it literally impossible for one of the sides to win? Not to mention that if all you're doing in game is roleplaying, what's to stop you from just doing it on a forum? Oh wait, nothing whatsoever, which is why the fucking unofficial forums for this game have more action than the game itself.<br />
:Urban Dead is broken, Kevan shows no interest in even ''looking into'' the billions of problems it has, so you're better off closing your browser and playing Left 4 Dead or something. Y'know, that's the zombie apocalypse game where the survivors face a credible threat that can't simply be trounced by locking a door and pushing a vending machine in front of it. '''FIX THE FUCKING GAME.''' --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:38, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Have you chaps considered that you're horrifically ungrateful for a ''free'' game that's meant to be a 5 minute distraction? --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Some of us have actually given money to this game, by the way. It's not unheard of that people do pay for things online. If he removes the DONATE button then maybe we won't "have the right" to complain anymore, but until then I and others are paying customers wanting some damned customer service. But you keep that smug attitude because I'm sure it's helping you go far in life!--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not ungrateful, but I'd like to continue to play urbandead which I won't be able to do if the numbers of players keep dropping forcing Kevan to eventually pull the plug. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Well this "chap" thinks that if you're going to release something for public consumption, it shouldn't '''suck'''. The fact remains that the game is unbalanced, which makes it unfun. If, say, World of Warcraft made it so that the Horde had 1/10th the hit rate of the Alliance, Blizzard would be fucking crucified. Free or not, lousy design is lousy design. I'm not saying this out of ''entitlement'' or anything retarded like that, I am saying it as someone who wants to play the game without being gimped to fuck just because I want to be a zombie instead of a survivor. Of course, the alternative is for me (and the thousands of others who feel this way) to stop playing a game that is basically designed at the very basest level to screw us over. Then, WHOOPS! Goodbye donations and ad revenue! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 23:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I actually think that what 'ruined' the game (at least balance wise) was zombies... The very fact that they sucked to play forced people to either leave or organize, net result mega hordes that were basically unstoppable and forced buffs for survivors to give them a chance while making it even less rewarding to play a feral zed. To all intent and purpose this game has more sides than it was ever designed for. We have survivors and zombies but each of those are split into different play styles which the mechanics struggle to balance. Basically survivors are better at killing other survivors than zombies are and zombies often end up killing other zombies more than actual survivors. Hell, some survivors max out without even seeing a zombie and the game set-up makes it an unrewarding struggle to level a new character in a city full of veterans. At the end of the day I think this game needs to evolve before it dies.... New (short lifespan) cities are probably the best way forwards in my opinion because the early days with their actual struggle to survive against 'equals' are great fun, the sense of discovery of a new place also really adds spice too. But hey, too many people seem attached to their maxed characters that they hardly ever play anymore to even contemplate such a thing! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I think most of us will agree that ''something'' needs to be done, which is exactly what isn't happening or at least it seems that way. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Maybe fixing the '''ABYSMAL''' hit rates for zombies might help. I mean, ''supposedly'' I have a 30% chance of hitting with a bite attack against a given target for 1 AP. Now, I can easily spend (and have spent) 15 AP and only hit on that last, 15th attempt. What are the chances of this happening? Mathematically, you say it was (3/10)^15, or a 0.000001% chance. That isn't "bad luck", that goes beyond "bad luck" and into the realms of "your coding is so shitty if I saw it I would try to flush". There is actually more chance of me rolling the same number 10 times in a row on a regular six-sided die than there is of me missing that many attacks. But it happens, it happens frequently, and it's one of the billion reasons why this game needs a severe overhaul, and/or someone competent working on it. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 02:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::No one cares about your opinion. But is that why you've resorted to spamming Kevan rather than stick to your own 'zombie improvements' in your userspace; you realise no one cares anymore? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 02:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
Katthew actually makes some damn good points rather than resorting to ad hominem. [[Groove Theory]] would not be possible with a properly implemented RNG, but [[Bug Reports#Groove Theory is working again|oh, whoops]]! Also, Honestmistake, what game are ''you'' playing? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 10:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:These days? Mostly Bobwars (wigbl.com)... What exactly is it you don't agree with in my post though? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Sadly, I kinda agree with Honest, feral zombies have it extremely hard these days. They need to follow hordes around or just lay around and wait for destruction in their suburbs. Once the horde is gone though, their goes the bulk of your food. Its almost beneficial nowadays to be a killer or a survivor and thats it (assuming your not in a horde). --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 15:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Or just sit tight. Even a modest number of zeds can keep most buildings ruined. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I demand that the game be "fixed" so that those who can't get laid will have something to do before and after they masturbate! HELP THEM, KEVAN! You're their only hope... --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 17:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Well looky, a whole cluster fuck load of whining.<br />
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Want more people to play? Go and fucking recruit them yourselves. Don't ask Kevan to fork out even more from his own pocket so that your enjoyment of this free game is improved. You spend the money. You put the work in. Alternately you all could shut the fuck up.<br />
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Want some changes? The FAQ says quite clearly to put them through the suggestions system rather than whine here like a bunch of fucking fort dwellers. Want Kevan to build you your own city to your own ideas? He's done it before for distribution companies, just do the same thing they did. Pay the man. Kevan's a professional, pay him his hourly rate if you want something. You're entitled to shit for free. He's nice enough to continue to let the game be played for free, so let's say enough with the comparisons to the money gouging and spyware installing World of Warcrack. Ask the man nicely how much your own city would be, plus an hourly rate for any bugs that appear, plus a negotiated set figure of each major update. Then go have a bake sale, car wash or just start selling organs on the black market and give Kevan the money for the work you want him to do.<br />
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Put your money where your whining is. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Back when I was an admin and I moderated the Suggestions page with an '''IRON FIST''', it was still a worthless piece of shit. These days it is approximately fifty gajillion times more useless and shitty. Kevan doesn't read it any more than he reads any other section of this wiki, not even just because he's lazy as sin, but also because they're not worth reading. Also, I've already dragged people into this game. Maybe you remember [[The Dead]]? You know, the 10,000-strong superhorde that practically ''wrecked the entire fucking game?'' All me, bitch. I got that shit ''going''. Because unlike you, I am one proactive motherfucker who doesn't sit around doing shit-all.<br />
:So don't you fucking talk to me about recruiting people to play this game, you measly-mouthed little cumstain. I brought in more than you could possibly imagine with that withered rectum you call your brain. But hardly any of those people stayed around. Do you know why? Because '''''THEY GOT TIRED OF PLAYING A BROKEN PIECE OF SHIT GAME WHERE THEIR CHOSEN SIDE WAS DELIBERATELY NERFED AND FUCKED OVER AT EVERY CONCEIVABLE TURN.''''' That is what killed The Dead, you scurrilous prick-hungry cockholster - the fact the game '''sucks'''. We weren't beaten by any survivor group, we never even considered any survivor group to be more than the metaphorical bug on the windshield. Ten thousand zombies, motherfucker, and even with the ridiculously low hit rates, nonexistent RNG and inverse XP curve, we ruined your pathetic little world. If it hadn't been for all the flaws that UD has, driving away almost every single new player we drafted in, we'd have killed every last survivor in the city and turned it into a true zombie apocalypse.<br />
:So fuck you a million times up your gaping, cavernous asshole. I know what I'm talking about, and I know more about what ''you're'' talking about than you could ever hope to. Now sit the fuck down while the grown-ups have their chat, sweetie. We'll get you some crayons and glue, so you can cram them into your snotty orifices until you suffer fatal brain damage. Kiss kiss! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Awww, poor cutie, is it too much if someone disagrees with you? I see you missed the major point, given you're ''so'' proactive and have such a large group of minions, why haven't you rallied them to donate a sum of money so that you can pay Kevan to make the game that you believe is fair? It's a very simple question. Kevan works for money, as proven by Borehamwood and Monroeville, if you want a map with your 'improvements' incorporating then you have to provide the same incentive that two distribution companies already did. Shouldn't be hard, after all you are ''"one proactive motherfucker"''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::There are points on both sides, but Katthew wins for making me laugh more than Is's logic makes sense.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkTurquoise">Big</span>]][[User:Cyberbob240/Classifications|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> Cat</span>]] 08:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, what killed the Dead was all the whining survivors that couldn't handle a "zombie apocalypse" and needed the syringe find rate to be upped to almost 100%. But come on, Katthew, don't be a bitch. Little Issy's Mall Tour had what 300 zombies? Awwwww, that was the same number as the Central horde of the Dead. You know, back when it was winding down and most people wanted to be in the East or West coast Hordes. But, no, I'm sure he knows all about running big bad zombie hordes. I'd really like to know how much money The Dead generated for Kevan with ad revenue and people buying no IP limit. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Feeling left out DCC? Never mind, go create yourself a couple of new accounts to agree with yourself, that'll make you feel better. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Good gum, you're actually still whining. How clear does this have to be? '''Kevan doesn't owe you jackshit'''. It's a browser game that is '''free to play''' and pretty cool if you spend about 5-15 minutes on it. If you want a game that you can put all of your obsessive time into, then go ''buy'' one. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: As for the whole "I donated, so he '''owes''' me", the key is in the name; ''donation''. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Massively pointless question #95==<br />
The "Are you sure?" Messages received when you A) Attempt to buy brain rot, and B) Attempt to jump from a building. Do they count towards your IP hits? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm going to say yes to the first (as it reloads the map screen) and no to the second as it's on the skills screen. The IP hits total is only known to count on the map screen, not on skills, settings or profile screens. Unless Kevan says different. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::oh, and I demand another easter egg hunt. Perhaps with bunnies this time around. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:03, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If he gets a hunt for chocolate eggs I want a button that allows me to nail sanctimonious pricks to trees as it's a much older tradition for this time of year. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:19, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::''Iscariot makes sly comment about organised religion.'' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:08, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: I'd like to see zombies replaced with rabbits for a day. Stronger bite! EAR DAMAGE. Hop for 1AP --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Settling a bet==<br />
While you're here reading this, settle a bet for me, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARapture&diff=1683378&oldid=1683265 do you enjoy all the money that zergers provide you?] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:00, 30 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you're asking whether I give any leniency to players who've donated, when they've done something that would merit a character being disabled - no, I don't. Donation status doesn't factor into any of the alt-abuse or banning scripts. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:01, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::I think the players in question are working off the assumption that them having more characters means more views of the ads connected in the game and that equals more money for you. It wasn't meant to question your impartiality at all, just a question of economics when connected to the game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:35, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::No, this isn't a consideration when banning characters. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:08, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Game updates==<br />
I'm sure things are updated regularly, for maintance, ect.,.... things that wouldn't normally be reflected in the game updates. Just out of curiosity, what is the current status of the "Game Updates" though? I noticed there seems to be a lack of them here latly (not that it's a bad thing, or that I mind), it's just that I was curious as to your thoughts, and opinions on the subject.... -{{User:Poodle_of_doom/signiture}} 04:27, 7 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==April Fools?==<br />
A couple days before April Fools i was surfing the wiki and decided to look it up. The pranks there were hilarious! Especially the 2008/2009 ones. I couldn't wait to see what would come out next. But nothing happened and the wiki said you didn't do anything. Any specific reason? And yes i know Kevan is busy and yes i know we're thankful its a free game i'm just curious --{{User:Gt71/Sig}} 21:52, 27 April 2010<br />
:I was actually halfway through some other updates in late March, and decided against diverting any of that development time for an April Fool's joke. In the end, I didn't have time to put anything live - April's been busy, but I hope to get back to those main updates in the next week or so. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:37, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
::Excellent. Kevan, as you're here, with the perma death cities is it fair to assume all updates are carried over into all three citys? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:22, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Pretty much. If a mechanic would unduly unbalance remaining gameplay in the other cities I'd make them exempt from it, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:29, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hey Kevan==<br />
What's up? How are things in the real world? I haven't been around Urban Dead that often in the past few weeks, but it seems like little has changed... aside from the survivor/zombie ratio being the worst it's been in years, but that's besides the point. <br />
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On that note, would you happen to have an opinion on the "[[Escape]]" gathering in western Malton? <br />
Just thought I'd say hi, --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 07:36, 5 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Open Accounts==<br />
Currently, in Woodborne NT in Owsleybank, there are a few characters with names that make it blindingly obvious that they're open. Their names are [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1012934 mypasswordispassword], [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1743445 mypasswordispenis], and [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1367615 mypasswordishelpme]. Knowing your stance on open or communal accounts, I decided to bring them to your attention. --[[User:Shank Case|Shank Case]] 02:06, 25 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== June 1 ==<br />
It seems appropriate on this date of great expectation (Read that: ESCAPE) to reflect on a simple fact; I have taken many hours of pleasurable distraction from your game. I have enjoyed meeting people from around the world and the various schemes and factions they have created using your game as a springboard for their own creativity. While I live in New England, I have traveled to the other side of the globe and yet-I can honestly say I "know" more people around the world as a result of this little game then in all those thousands of miles of travel. So while I have "contributed" it would seem at least good manners to say thank you for what you have done. I have only been playing for close to a year, and I hear many folks voicing opinions about the "state of the game". I just thought it might be appropriate to suggest that the reason they feel so strongly about it is because it is a flexible well designed system that has added millions of hours of gaming to people worldwide. So, thanks for your efforts and creativity.--[[User:Belisarius17|Belisarius17]] 04:50, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Nudge ==<br />
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That pre April updates taking its time now. The anticipation is killing me. There's some discussion going on about changes to Monroeville. Is it something you would consider, or as it was sponsored by others are your hands tied about what you can do with it? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:57, 26 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:Well UD's 5th birthday is coming up on July 3rd, we can cross our fingers and hope it's the update we've been waiting for. I hope it's another Easter Egg hunt, but with potatoes! -- [[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 07:27, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
::my paper hat is a bit battered. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:49, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Happy Birthday! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:51, 3 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Update me already.... :) -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:32, 9 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Radio Filter ==<br />
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Apparently, the radio filter also affects the military channel (25.96MHz). There any way to disable it on this station? {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 19:46, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:Teehee. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:48, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Muhahahahaha. Is it [[The Mycock Building|Mycock]] ? shits so [[ALiM]]. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::ps wtf is this radio filter and where did it come from? user made or kevan made? etc etc{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:39, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If you broadcast something vulgar, it will replace the word with *static*. It's been this way since the introduction of radios. The problem is that many buildings contain the word cock, and thus can't be broadcast. It's been brought up before, but they didn't mention the EMR channel. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 06:51, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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Epic design flaw fail! If only Kevan didn't have such a dirty mind! --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 11:17, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Offensive in-game names? ==<br />
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Are there any rules re what one can name their character? Are there not ''any'' limits? I recently ran into NIGGERHATER88 (yes, all capitalization - that's a copy/paste) and they're not a new character by any means - really? Really?! --[[User:Swingin' Sam|Swingin&#39; Sam]] 19:00, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you don't like someone, kill them. It shuts them up in real life, why wouldn't it work here? --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 19:07, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:fuck off it's a free game suck it the fuck off or go play wow. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:10, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Just for your information, 88 means HH — the Hitler salute. This guy is definitely a Neo-Nazi.<br />
::If Kevan isn't going to ban him, then killing him is the way to go. Just treat him like a [[Ignore List|text rapist]]. I'm against PKing in general, but such despicable people deserve it.<br />
::And the above poster could benefit from [[Civility]] as well. -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 22:04, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I just love you militant anti-nazi types. You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs ''is fascism itself''. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means ''allowing'' people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:12, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Or more likely, he's simply a troll. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, for the reasons Mis outlined. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:17, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::^ --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 00:18, 21 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::<3 mis. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:48, 22 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Deadline ==<br />
[[Image:Emot-argh.gif|100px]] --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:22, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:{{Quote|Buzz Lightyear|You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.}}<br />
:[[Big Bash 3|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-size: 80%">&hearts;</span>]] [[User:MoonShine|<span style="color:Black">'''Moonie'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:MoonShine|Talk]] | [[User:MoonShine/Testimonials|Testimonials]]</sup></small> 12:51, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::<span title="He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's pro-zombie, as it obviously needs to be.">I disagree. He can take as long as he wants. He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's fair and balanced.</span> --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 20:20, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Two Months later, Kevan responds by implementing [[20070314_Zombie_Rocket_Launchers|Zombie Bazookas]].--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 20:31, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Noes! Still, I don't think working with a deadline is a good idea if your not going to keep it. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:39, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::He must have had a problem coding [[Suggestion:20100616 Binocular Sniping|Binocular Sniping]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:40, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hate\Race based groups ==<br />
What are your views on Urban Dead being used by Hate groups ?<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Combat_18<br />
With the user using imagery in attempt to bring race into the game. Eg: <br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Cornholioo<br />
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I don't this is the actual RL group, just some pathetic little teen with anger issues. But still ? Should we look forward to the arrival of the KKK. Al Queda(?), Black Power, Mongrel Mob and the Care Bears ?<br />
--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 20:36, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Look just two headers above this. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::Why ? - this isn't about offensive names in-game as I email those to Kevan. Its about losers spewing their race\religion hate in the wiki thinking that they have the "right to". Didnt some of pH get banned for the 9\11 phased crap in game ?<br />
:From what I gathered of the YouTube video Cornholioo posted, it does look like Combat 18 is an actual, real life neo-Nazi group. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:15, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::They are. There was an old Louis Theroux doc on them. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:17, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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Shall I make the Red Hand Commando's\Real IRA\Al Qeada pages now then and target any British\US based group ?--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:04, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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{{Quote|Misanthropy|You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs is fascism itself. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means allowing people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose.}}<br />
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::::Jesus its like talking to school children. This isn't real life, this isnt a political arena, people have no politcal rights here. This is a game and what Kevan says gos.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:10, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::Yes it is like talking to school children. In five years has anyone ever been banned for anything other than zerging? No. Not once. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:16, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::This isn't about ingame characters (Also back in 05 I beleive offensive names were also nuked) this is about the wiki policy on HateGroups. The wiki is different to ingame as a user can contact any group or individual in a split second? and post there hate imagery\text on any page. Yet there is no policy only the rustling of paper under the false pretence any user here actually has any rights at all.. --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:29, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::If it's about the wiki then you'll get nowhere, there's not a single sysop corrupt enough to ban users/groups based solely on their beliefs. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:32, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Well obviously thats why I'm posting here as this isn't real life so a users beliefs don't come into it, but what they post on wiki pages. Being non-white I take offense at that and the wiki administartion deosnt appear willing to act --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:44, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::We are not going to act. We're not going to ban groups based on content. [[Columbine Kids]], [[Nazi Party of Malton]], etc, etc, have not been banned, nor will this one. Yes it is offensive to people. So is the insult "faggot" but nothing has ever been done about its usage, nor about a million and one percieved wrongs. All you have to do is simply ignore the one sole user causing your offense, and he's liable to end up getting himself banned anyway, or he'll wander off due to not being given the attention he craves. Asking for the rules to be different for one group of users than for another is just wrong. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:49, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm asking for Kevans opmnion , not yours otherwise I would have posted on your talk page.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:51, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::As much as we'd all love to see less hate here,... you're arguing against one of the wiki janitors,... you know, the guys who take care of this place on Kevan's behalf... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:55, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::Yes I have seen the sterling work you perform on his behalf, however I dont think there is a difference between a) banning a user ouright (Where race hate has no place in a simple game(not real life)) and b)Or saying he id allowed his views but then have wiki administrators trolling the user with a view to entrapping him into a rant, thus leading him to his ban. I would have thought a janitors role was to be impartial and not provoke a user knowing how he will react--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 09:56, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::I agree with some of your sentiments and I understand your concern about some of the ops and their behaviour going against a role model status on the wiki- but situations like this only prove that a sysop- janitor as you say- is exactly that- a regular user with the buttons only given to those entrusted not to misuse it- it's been a long lost fact to this wiki that sysops are still regular users, and should behave as such, which is why using sysop status as a symbol of authority over another user is serious misconduct. Do I give Cornholioo a hard time? For sure, but that's not so I can just go to A/VB and force his banning- I abstain from conflict of interest situations such as his recent banning because I know that following through my pestering actions with bias as a mod is abuse. The ops aren't specifically here to be looked up to, although I still understand where you're coming from and I partially agree that Cornholioo is getting a hard time compared to any other user in terms of sysop bias. I do think it's a shame this perceived bias is being overlooked by the community just because of the user in question. I was surprised the amount of ops who said yes to his permaban, and it's worth noting that the sysops who pester and bait him the most were the ones who voted no to the perma. Typically a perma is only for someone who is literally just trying to break the wiki on a regular basis, not someone who gets baited weekly, and if that was your assessment of the vote I agree with you. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:30, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Invitation==<br />
{{RIAC Invitation}}<br><br />
You know you want to find a group and join.... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:57, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mediawiki Update (2) ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, just to let you know [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Update the Wiki Software (2)|this policy]] requesting a mediawiki has been passed. It asks if you can go up to 1.15.4 but the newest version (which came out while this went voting) is 1.16.0 and if you could find some time to upgrade that would be awesome. =) Thanks from us all. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:25, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Another note that image undeletion is enabled by default on the new software. Enabling image undeletion will increase disk usage (as "deleted" images won't really be deleted, but hidden,) so you might want to consider disabling it and keeping the status quo. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:12, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Virus Advertisement ==<br />
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Um... Kevan, I'm not sure if it's your concern, but one of the advertisements in the UD log-in screen is probably a hacking scam.<br />
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The advertisement, for a game called "Slum City Enforcer" lead to this link http://www.iwon.com/dl/index.jhtml?theme=slumcity2&partner=ZLxdm256&spu=true&sub_id=1579&clickid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000&ce_cid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000<br />
When I clicked on Play Now for the game, it tried to download a trojan, which my anti-virus caught. <br />
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I really hope you can block this bad ad from Urban Dead. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 03:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If I'm not mistaken, the UD site, and wiki, tend to make use of Google Ads,... which help generate profit for the site. That said, there is very little Kevan could probably do about it, aside from removing the ads themselves. That said,... that would be counter productive. I hope Kevan gets back to you though.... He probably knows more about it than what I do. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 04:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:: It is based on google advertisement, I used to get so much stuff for Umbrella's when I was in Umbrella and then UBCS. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 06:00, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::The last time we were hit with malicious ads (The urbandead.org phishing site bought out the wiki sidebar) an administrator contacted the ad agency and had them remove the ads. If you're sure that this is a malicious link, file a report with [http://www.google.com/ads/adwords/ Google Ads]. You've experienced what happened, so you're best suited to explain why this is a bad link.<br />
:::Also, I spammed refresh on one of the screens that displayed ads, and this site never came up. There's a chance it's already been reported and/or expired. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 06:57, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::[http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/iwon.com/summary/ McAfee seem to think it's okay], for a debatable value of "okay", but I've blocked it from my sites on the off-chance. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:34, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: Thank you Kevan! You're awesome. --[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 23:25, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==<s>Early August</s> Mid August.==<br />
That is all. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:30, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:The more you bug him, the more he'll put it off!!! You're tiring him! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:32, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::It takes 5AP to read his talk page, and a game update is like a 500AP suicide repair.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:33, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Brilliant man.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:45, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Pretty sure I just fucking jizzed -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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/thread -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Because I can't think of another place to put it ==<br />
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I am formally lodging a complaint that this game, the city of malton and this wiki, have a decidedly and unfair British/English/insert other term Bias in terms of names, time, spelling, ect.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:19, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If the fact that Kevan, the servers, and the town Malton are all based in england, counts as "unfair", then I guess you're right!!! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 01:22, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I have other ''Complaints'' as well but they are trivial or realistic mostly. And yes that is the exact problem, we should remedy this somehow.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:24, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::By buying Kevan new servers and a new house? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:25, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::: Nonsense we will just begin housing them with you Mis. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:27, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::We could house him in say, Australia.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:28, 18 August 2010 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Mikalos209&diff=1761040User:Mikalos2092010-08-18T00:27:52Z<p>Mikalos209: /* "Problems" with the wiki */</p>
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=random shit Im putting here=<br />
*Welcome to random propaganda I felt like posting.<br />
=="Problems" with the wiki/ect==<br />
*Much of the site is pro-survivor, mostly inadvertently, such as all non Greater Ridleybank suburbs and the general concept of the suburb danger levels.<br />
*The admins are agents of the antichrist >.><br />
*The admins are also agents of god.<br />
*Kevan is biased towards zombies, per the fact he likes zombies at all.<br />
*The population of malton liked drinks.<br />
*This game and Wiki have a decidedly British POV problem.<br />
*Many users are communist agents <br />
*Many users are pro-zombie or pro-survivor.<br />
*The above statement may not be true<br />
*the military hates us<br />
*Malton is very dry besides random heavy fog and snow.<br />
*A lack of religious buildings dedicated to Kevanism<br />
*To much support of KEvanism<br />
*Odd number of churchs<br />
*the city is a friggin square.<br />
*there is no central building that could have operated as a government center</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=1761034User talk:Kevan2010-08-18T00:24:21Z<p>Mikalos209: /* Because I can't think of anoither place to put it */</p>
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<div>If you want to report a bug, put it up on the [[Bug Reports]] page for review.<br />
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If you've got a question about the Wiki, use the [[Wiki Questions]] and another user will see it and answer it.<br />
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If you want to discuss game balance or the future of the game, try a [[Unofficial UD Forums|discussion forum]].<br />
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If you'd like to respond to someone who's posted here, you should do so on their talk page.<br />
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If you're from the future, there are a [[User Talk:Kevan/Archive|couple]] of [[User Talk:Kevan/Archive2|archives]].<br />
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==Three Minutes...==<br />
...Since anyone last commented you on here. Very upsetting. How's everything going with the game? Is everything good?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:What are you talking about? Scroll down to the bottom, haha. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:42, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:You're a funny one. Also, the page's confusing because Kevan doesn't state to put new stuff at the bottom or top, unfortunately, so people go with wherever their own preference is. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:59, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::I tend to look for a trend. Unfortunately, it turns out that the trend i followed only applied for the two posts i read.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 20:06, 13 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville Badges==<br />
Just so you know there are survivors (although very few) that are still roaming around in Monroeville. It would be nice if you could give some kind of emblematic badge of appreciation for the few that made it this far. I hope thats not asking too much, but for staying alive this long its quiet a feat to accomplish and deserves some kind of reward.<br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 02:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Monroeville Airlift==<br />
Hi Kevan,<br />
I am one of the few remaining survivors in Monroeville. With the Christmas update being implemented, I was curious to know if I set up a Christmas tree and some lights in a building for a few days, would a Helicopter come by and take my character to Malton? I don't want to do something in vain that could end up killing my character that has survived for ten months... <br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 06:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:hey Evildiehard, i'm The Last Unlucky Guy, we were in harvey's group together, i like that idea, can i get in on it too? Getting my character out of Monroeville would be great, i've grown too attached to him and if i got killed, especially after going solo, and survivng for this time, it would really suck :( --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==clothing suggestions==<br />
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Hi, long time no see. I've got another question about clothing. I see that you haven't implemented any new clothing for almost a year and the pages in question are receiving little to no traffic. Are you still in need of new Clothing ideas [[Clothes/Suggestions|Suggestions]] or can I close the page and move everything into their relevant archives?--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Will donate for awesome clothing ==<br />
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Basically, I was just wondering that if I donated $50AU or something, that maybe you might code in some blood-proof clothing, just for moi? I mean, it's a decent chunk of funds as all... --{{User:Medico/sig}} 01:30, 26 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Broken Wiki page ==<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1271116&oldid=1270525<br />
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The page I want is the last edit that I made for if, and I have no idea what went wrong. Someone directed me here... --<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span></font><sup> [[User_talk:Haliman111|T]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 00:44, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Iwitness typo==<br />
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Got really bored, and noticed there was a typo.<br />
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"What does it mean if a record is PUBLIC or PRIVATE?<br />
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Public records are just that- anybody can (if they take the time to look) find them and look at the information they contain. Private records are hidden in directories whose contents are not open to the public view, and the random number string appended to the end of the file name makes it impossible for anybody to find them through luck or accident. "Private" records are in fact so hard to locate that if you don't record their location, '''you'll never them again'''. That's OK when you just want to share a quick secret with some friends in a private chat room or secure forum, though- just copy the link and paste it somewhere you and you friends can find it, but others will not see it!<br />
User accounts do provide a way to retrieve all of the private records a user creates while logged into that account, so while still quite private, they are not going to vanish. User accounts also potentially allow for other levels of security; all of these are essentially private records that only certain people can see, or which do not display all of the details of the record in order to protect the privacy and safety of "innocent bystanders". <br />
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http://www.urbandead.info/iwitness/iwitness_FAQ.php#security<br />
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--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup></font> 15:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Check your talk page, {{usr|Haliman111}}. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:36, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Suicide Repair ==<br />
Most of the time it isn't easy to let a building reach the higher levels of decay and takes the effort of multiply zombie players. Lately as more buildings reach higher level of decay we see a raise in suicide repairs. Where survivors just spent all their AP and more to repair a long time ruined building and prepare to get eaten and revived. If suicide repairing was not what you where going for with the implemention of decay, please consider changes like: <br />
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a)Make it impossible to spent more AP on repairing than are left to this character, and probably setting a cap at 45AP as a maximum for decay. <br />
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or b)Repair only removes some part of the decay level and not all at once. Probably like tearing down barricades.<br />
--[[User:Experiment211|Experiment211]] 21:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I second option B. Option A could be exploited by people who wait until they have 2 or 3 AP left before running in to repair for 1 or 2 AP. B makes a lot of sense, I think. --[[User:Drugsanimudongs|Drugsanimudongs]] 17:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Errr... I read your suggestion wrong, Experiment211. Ignore my exploit theory! I still support B, though.<br />
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== Database error on the wiki ==<br />
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I have been getting the following message after making edits: <br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry '20534' for key 1 (localhost)".<br />
Retrieved from "http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category_talk:Historical_Groups"<br />
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The edits seem to be working, however. This bug just took place twice on the Historical Groups Talk/Voting page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:13, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I just got one on the same page. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ditto. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:06, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Happened to me too today.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:57, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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Is also appearing when searching brain rot in the Suggestions and Talk Suggestions namespaces.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Erg. I've had some server trouble lately, I'll take a look at it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:21, 27 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yesterday it was still doing this... It's rare as of late, it seems-- it was happening with almost every edit for a bit there -- but it *did* happen yesterday again.... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
:::Just hit the same after searching for brain in images. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:21, 3 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I've repaired the database, it should be okay now. Let me know if any error messages still creep through, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==A Little Idea for Group Affiliations==<br />
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I've had an idea and would like to submit it for your consideration. Would it be possible to add in the option of a URL link added to a player's group affiliation, a la the current system with the 'Real Name' links? This would be very useful for players looking to join a group and for groups looking to recruit players, especially zombie groups who lack the ability to spray-paint places without death-culting. Whilst the RN link is used by some, myself included, for recruitment, more likely than not the majority will simply not bother clicking it after the first few times they have done that on a profile have taken them to YouTube songs or Rick-rolls. A link under the group affiliation would draw more desirable attention. <br />
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There are two ways in which I could see this working: The first is to have the group affiliation act in the same way as the Real Life link, with the player choosing the URL; the second would be to have the GA act as the list of confirmed groups on the stats page does: An automatic link to the wiki page of said confirmed group. My personal belief is that the latter would be the superior option, so as to avoid abuse via unsavoury links which would undermine trust in the system (this is of course going under the assumption that you have a system which makes the links appear automatically on the stats page, rather than having to add them all in yourself of course).<br />
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Just my thought for the early morning. <br />
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Regards. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 04:37, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Please make your suggestions here: [[:Category:Current Suggestions]]. Seriously Moloch, you have been around long enough to know how suggestions are handled. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:40, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::FWIW, my personal version of 'ActOnProfile' already modifies the group name to be a link to the wiki page for that group. Its pretty handy, even if just to find out the group has no page. A fancier GM script could easily determine if the page actually exists, and not make it a link if it doesn't, which would be nice. Server side code could likely do the same thing better. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:02, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Copyright question ==<br />
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after playing Urban dead I had an idea making it into a warcraft 3 map and before I release 1: may I release a map made by maps and the same idea of urban dead and with its name/s 2: are there any requires you want? for example I could advertise for the site every 5 mins(I can have the map do that for me)I have all ready given credit to Urban dead and if you want I can give direct credit to you also<small>—The preceding {{wikipedia|Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages|unsigned}} comment was added by [[User:Undeadpope|Undeadpope]] ([[User talk:Undeadpope|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Undeadpope|contribs]]) 23:42, 6 August 2008.</small><br />
:l2english.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:34, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:If it's clearly presented as an unofficial fan project, and isn't making any money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:51, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==IP hits and construction==<br />
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If I repair a badly damaged building (15ap etc.) Is that one IP hit or 15? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:32, 9 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'd be one. it's a measure of how many times you refresh the map page not ap. The only exception (as far as i'm aware) is syringe manufacture which is 20.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I thought i was getting more than my regular action. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:32, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Is that confirmed or just a guess?--<span style="cursor:crosshair">Kooks</span> 22:50, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::It's certainly incorrect. I repaired a building costing 134ap and still had more than enough IP hits to play my other characters.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville and headshot==<br />
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All the high level survivors I know (about 30) have been holding out for the return of perma-death headshot with the quarantine. I see the quarantine is back, but everything still says that headshot is not permanent. Is this the case? If you're not bringing it back then you might as well close down the server or at least tell us officially. Because as currently constituted only one side can win, and though we could probably prolong things indefinitely I fail to see the point.<br />
--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 03:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:I couldn't agree more with this post. Staying alive as a member of an organized group in Monroeville is possible but it takes a large amount of coordination and effort. I fail to see the "game" part of current Monroeville on the survivor side, something permanent headshot would bring to the table. If balance is an issue, I'm sure the zombie side would love to have non-curable Infectious Bite. --[[User:Calem|Calem]] 10:09, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::The evidence of the most recent opening of Monroeville suggests that it takes about 6 weeks for the city to go from totally survivor-dominated to totally destroyed with the survivors on the run and hiding in the wreckage. Therefore, it seems to me that the most fun and interesting way to do it would be to run Monroeville in cycles. Every five to six weeks or so switch the rules to give one side or the other the advantage. So, having now had an extened Zombie Friendly period of time, you allow the Survivors to have their turn for a month and a half with closed borders and "permanent" (until the next cycle) headshot. Then re-open it to new admissions with the usual "Zombies stand back up" rules for a month and a half, then close it again and so on and so forth. That way, both sides always have something to look forward to and there's always something to plan for. Frankly, this solution still favors the Zombies somewhat in that a dead Survivor still never gets a chance to come back to life, but its significantly more fair than the current situation where Survivors can never repair a building for more than a couple of days before getting buried under a tide of zombies. While that may accurately reflect the desperate conditions of the later Dead movies and some of the supporting fiction, its not much fun to be a Survivor under these circumstances, and this is a game. --[[User:jng2058|jng2058]] 12:54, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Agreed. Right now Monroeville is only a game of attrition with an inevitable (tedious) end. Maybe that's in keeping with Romero's cannon, but it puts survivors in an unwinnable position and leaves the zombies without enough challenge to stave off boredom. If the game's going to be left open, then since zombies are in the advantage right now (by 4:1) why not restore headshot and see what happens? [[User:CoopVancer|CoopVancer]] 21:34, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Actually Coop- if you think about it- zombie take over isn't necessary canon in the zombie/post-apoc genre nor Romero canon, but merely an outcome of the core theme. What destroys the humans isn't the zombies, which are fairly weak, but their failure to overcome their individual self interest and cooperate. Restoring headshot would work now consistent with the canon. Headshot is something survivors learn with experience. At present, most of the survivors, don't have the XP to have headshot. <br />
::::: So I guess this is down to a test of wills then? Of humanity? How long can humans survive before break down, succumb to anarchy, or make a mistake and get eaten? '''We will not.''' Survivors will not descend into madness. We will survive under these horrible conditions! '''We will be ever vigilant!''' ''(until an emergency comes up in real life, then we're pretty much zombie-food)'' [[User:Bystander|Bystander]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Bystander, I recommend the buddy system. Give someone in your group your PW so they can move you in an emergency.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 00:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your reading is correct that perma-headshot isn't returning.--[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Will there be any type of reward for x number of survivors remaining? ==<br />
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I'm just going to say the only reason to ask this is because what the point of trying to survive if the hoard of zombies will eventually take over all? All i want to know is there anything that actually would give hope to the survivors?<br />
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:Yeah, it would be nice if the last 100 survivors were transported to Malton with text like "NAME survived the second Monroeville quarantine." or "NAME was one of the last 100 to die in Monroeville." on their profile page. --[[User:BetterLuck|BetterLuck]] 23:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::I hope something happens that's good at least for survivors, now they outnumber us way too much now--[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 15:44, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Monroeville Characters ==<br />
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I was just wondering if you had any plans for allowing players to have their Monroeville character's account moved to Malton. I just want to know because I happen to really like my MV character from an RP perspective and would like to play as him in a city that isn't completely ruined and dead... or at least use his name for a character in Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 03:08, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:No - you can transfer donation flags, but not characters. If you want to roleplay the same character in Malton, just create a new account with a slightly different name. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
How do you transfer donation flags from a Monroeville character to a Malton one? Thanks. --[[User:Alias81|Alias81]] 13:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just go to your "settings" page and enter a name. I've now added this to the [http://urbandead.com/faq.html#monroedonate FAQ]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Don't fucking jimmy me, jules. ==<br />
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I swear that 84 minutes almost pushed me over the brink...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:34, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, it looks like the wiki backups are pushing the server over the brink as well, from sheer weight of data, to the point of actually overheating the machine. I'm going to have to do another archive-history purge, as it's been a long time since the last one. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::NOOOOOO! Not the memories! Take anything but the memories! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:30, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::What about all teh lulz?!?!?!?!? Jed! ACTIVATE LULZ PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. CODE RED!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:44, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::OMG DID YOU SAY <big><big><big><big><font color="red">CODE RED?!?!?!?!</font></big></big></big></big>--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Good man. You'll do me proud yet. btw Kevan we just bought UD shirts so hopefully that means you don't have to go ahead with this "purging" business...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:48, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yeah i've thrown my best days into UD and my best money too. The least you could do is buy more server space so that a purge need never happen again. What if we need to check back over to see who made an edit? Or find long lost lulz? I mean [[2 Cool]] have a variety of quality projects using that space. [[ALiM]], [[ELiM]], [[Great Fire of 1912]], [[Sir Dick Longman]], [[Suburb Nicknames]], [[Colloquialisms]] and [[Malton Girl on Girl Parade]] all spring to mind. Of course there are many many more worthy pages created in the name of [[Kevanism|Kevan]], this is just a tasty sampling.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:53, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Stop blatantly spamming your endless vomit pile of useless wiki projects.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 11:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Quality projects using the ''page history'' space? If there's something good in there that's been deleted for wiki policy reasons, can't you host it somewhere else where people will actually find it? --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well if there is that's what we'll do. By the way - whilst I'm here, can I get your thoughts on [[ALiM|this page]]. Totally just out of interest and not fishing for an endorsement to stick in the first sentence of the article... And did you purposely give some of the locations amusing names or was it all the result of some cosmic event?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:22, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Also thanks for the recognition that they are in fact quality. And yes page history contains lols and should be kept for this reason. For example [[User:J3D/lol@finis|this particular work]] would never have been possible if page histories weren't kept. [[Save Page Histories]], i think i smell a 2C wikiproject coming on...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:32, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Ah that smell. I know her well.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Just wondering if there's a time-frame for this, there's an administrative Archive of Two we need to finish up before it happens, shouldn't take more than a few hours each.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Turns out that it might just be the A/VB talk archives.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::What in the name of all things holy is an archive history purge? Do i need to be in the brace position? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Look at the contribs of an older member, like myself. Ive ben around and posting since october 2005. you will see pretty much nothingb that old. A history purge is just that, a deletion of all revisions older than a certain age from the database. Its one of the reasons we make archive pages. Histories can get seriously huge, especially on larger, more active pages. For examples of the biggest, try A/VB and Talk:Suggestions --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 18:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Cheers Grimbo. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:06, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Couldn't Kev just get rid of the bigs one then? Talk suggestions is a particularly useless page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:08, 22 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'll be some time during September, and it'll be clearing out to a specific date (probably everything over a year old). If you need me to hold off while some admin archives are made, let me know. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I believe we finally got them all done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:17, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Maybe we do need to lose some of our precious memories...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Is barricading affected in dark buildings? ==<br />
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Would you be able to resolve [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Dark#barricading_success_is_also_affected_by_dark this question], please? (i.e. is there an effect in dark buildings on barricading success?) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:05, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:As Midi said, you should try doing your own research on this inquiry first. It seems like you haven't even checked by yourself. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 14:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's based on chance - sorta hard to get solid evidence when it could just be called "bad luck". Sometimes you have to go to the source to find out if you're just having a shitty day or if it's some game mechanic that's actually stopping you from hitting all those zeds at the local RP... I mean... er...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 14:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aeon, I ''did'' "check for myself"... As in. I've experienced it numerous times in-game... Then I went to Brainstock, asked around for a second opinion, and got one... But that wasn't good enough for you people... So I decided to ask Kevan, himself -- especially since Nallan kind of has a point, and since it's not easy to find the conditions to conduct the experiment... In any event, I managed to find a place to try it: I posted the results on the Darkness talk page. However, a quick word, yea or nay, from the designer really would be appreciated... Now... none of this "discussion" was necessary, not here, stop spamming this page, sheeesh. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:14, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You typed more than the first three comments combined. And you complain about spamming? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:31, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, there is an effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== theres 98 survivors in monroeville what now? ==<br />
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what is going to happen now? is there anything left for the survivors other than to just run or make a last stand? is there anything for staying alive till the end. --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Stay alive I guess. --[[User:Federationtrooper|Federationtrooper]] 22:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:umm the count jumped UP TO 100, what just happened? --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 03:50, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::And it's 101 now. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 05:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Idled characters standing up, most likely. Hellooooo. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:11, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Yes, idlers. So, will all characters be deleted completely? Should we make a last stand? What will happen to the accounts? Will there be permaneny links to the diaries, that can still be obtained after the accounts are deleted? Knowing the basic plan will help us figure out what we should be doing.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::If I recall correctly, at some point the game will be shut down. I mean ''shut down''. At which point Kevan has said that any donations on MV alts will be transferable to Malton. He has hinted that he might allow MV alts to be moved to Malton once it's shut right down -- although I haven't noticed anything like this in a while, maybe he's changed his mind? I dunno... My advice, personally is to wait and see... Possibly Kevan doesn't even know yet how he'll wrap it up. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::I'm [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Kevan#Monroeville_Characters pretty sure] that MV characters won't be transferable to Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 01:49, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Okay, but what will happen to the actual accounts though? What would happen if I tried to login with it after the map ends? Will the diary be preserved?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:59, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Aren't they (donation tags) already transferable? i'm pretty sure they should be. --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Donations are transferrable, and accounts aren't - it was always going to be one or the other, and donations seemed more appropriate. Profiles and diaries will be kept in perpetuity. And given how little difference there is between shutting the city down entirely and leaving it open for zombies to mill aimlessly around in, I might just leave it open. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fair enough? Any chance of us active zeds getting another tag in our profiles? Ive noticed those survivors still active have got one. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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For what? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 19:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like this [[http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1147825]], one like ''blah was an active zombie one month into the 2nd quarantine. '' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Again, I ask, "For what?" For staying active? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 23:35, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Sorry. yep.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::You knew when you signed up that it was not going to be a permanent map. And you knew the basic rules of the game, as well. You ''knew''... Now, deal with it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== FAQs addition? ==<br />
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I don't know why you haven't gotten around to it, but here you can even find a pretyped one to add. It's a quick, simple addition...<br />
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http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Add_encumbrance_section_to_the_FAQs<br />
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Also, I'm not trying to bother you, but could you check the bugs page and try to deal with some of those issues? I noticed my moved-outside reports already in the known bugs section, and that sounds like a creepy one that's been happening to a number of people. I also see a number of other bugs commonly happening, with no hint of what's going on. Thanks.<br />
--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Once again...[[PR_UI:_Sub_Pages#Tips_about_encumbrance|dupe]]. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:28, 30 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::That's why I wondered why he hasn't gottena round to it yet. It's been around a while, and it seems pretty needed.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:04, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Enough is enough ==<br />
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I know you don't want to deal with this kind of stuff... yeah yeah yeah... But please just ''look'' at [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.180 this post]. Just quickly... <br />
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Enough is enough, already. '''Please''' ban open proxies from accessing Urban Dead, because this is just too common -- and if anything is going to kill this game and the community it's zerging. There is a massive level of frustration over zerging, though honestly it's not brought up because people are fatalistic, figuring you're not going to do anything about it. But there are people willing and able to assist with the coding, with helping to set this up, you just need to say "Yes" to getting the ball rolling. Please consider it, consider ''something''... Because it's a serious problem ((that is, the use of proxies). And, unfortunately -- unless there is something huge we are all missing -- it's a problem that your abuse detection algorithms just can't deal with... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just to add... This guy in the post I linked to likely had his alts banned, and just kept making more and more to replace them... which, if true, shows that algorithm works against ''"normal" multi-abusers.'' But when you're dealing with proxies, you can completely circumvent those algorithms. And that's the problem... Active players usually encounter at least a couple ''obvious'' "zerg teams" every week... And a lot more less obvious but suspicious ones... It's very frustrating for those who try to play "by the book"... And while we generally just "shrug and bear it", still... I'm not going to bother you with this anymore now, but I really felt it was high time to bring this your attention, and to speak out for the many people who are so frustrated by the prevalence of zerging in Urban Dead. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:17, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm going to take the liberty of seconding the above on behalf of both the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]] and [[Columbine Kids]], two fair-playing teams that I lead who encounter zerg teams weekly. Whether something comes of this or not, I just want to add our voices. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 18:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ha. The only topic on the page not address by Kev on Sept 3. Come on man an least a reply saying you cbf would be nice...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:03, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Sure, I'll take a look at any ideas or technologies people have got. I'm not aware of any silver bullets that don't also turn up false-positives for people on weird ISPs or who have a misleadingly-configured home network, but would be happy to be proven wrong. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:29, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Interesting Tangent: Speaking of silver bullets, i recently found out that all that stuff from days yonder referring to silver bullets and there use in banishing monsters is actually ambiguous as to if it's talking about actual silver, or mercury (which was known as quicksilver at the time). so yeah, you may in fact be unaware of any mercury bullets. Just keep that in mind when banishing foes.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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There was a discussion on Beerhah.com about this... Where some people were attempting to seriously address the issue and then come to you with some solutions. Sadly, interest seemed to wane once Finis Valorum apparently left the game... However, I am going to copy what was probably the most relevant and hopefully most useful post in that discussion. As you'll see, the solution was not an algorithm and/or set of "suspicious" IPs, etc. -- which I gather was you were talking about above? Rather, the main idea it was using a list of known proxies and simply banning them. I actually think the wiki sysops have a pretty long list of banned proxies, for a start perhaps that could be used... <br />
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And, no solution is going to perfect. There will ''always'' be holes, always ways around whatever measures you impliment. As the post I'll copy discusses. That, I think, is pretty well understood. However, the point is to make it as difficult as possible for people to cheat. Open proxies are just ''too easy'' to find and use... Now, I don't know if paying for a proxy list is going to be effective, or a waste of money, considering how much these things change, apparently -- that's something someone with the right knowledge would have to decide. Anyway, I'm place the text of the post on [[User talk:WanYao| my Talk page]] for you to look at. Thanks for your time. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:21, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Sadly, we've got no follow up response yet... Kevan, are you listening? Just as another case in point, look at this... yeah I ''know'' what you say... But just look... I think you need to... I don't want to be a "bitch" about this... But I am really, really hoping we can find some way to address the zerging issue, and this requires a dialogue with you... <br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_7-1__644-f97-77b.html<br />
http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_8-1__0c7-19c-2b9.html<br />
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LOLz at my insane typos notwithstanding (i meant "flayed alive") .... This is sadly typical... We see this stuff all the time: here, 4 alts, at least, 2 each in adjacent buildings, from someone with a whole slew of "mithra" alts, many more than these 4, many of them previously spotted together -- this guy is familiar to us... We've presented some ideas for dealing with zergs like this, there is a discussion on the [[AZM]] Talk page... Will you work on this? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:08, 12 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Kevan, please do this: community appointed UD moderators. These trusted moderators will ban obvious zerging reported by players. To investigate zerging only basic information is needed: history of when the zergs all logged in, and how long they've been around each other. 95% of zergers are stupid and lazy and will be caught this way. No permanent bans, just temporary ones. Enough to make the zergers life difficult. --[[User:Rupert|Rupert]] 19:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:COMMUNITY appointed? You're joking, right? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 21:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'm kind of new, so forgive me if this is stupid... Am I correct in assuming that a lot of these zerg characters are level 1, or to a lesser degree level 2 that seldom level up or even gain XP but are used as scouts. If that's the case then I would think that any ''real'' account is going to gain XP and level up within reasonable time periods. If that's the case then would purging level 1 & 2 characters that don't level in say a month get rid of a lot of zergs? Or is there a legitimate reason for accounts within these parameters? --[[User:Mvario|mvario]] 01:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Most zergs (despite the name) do infact end up leveling up, check out all the [[GTFO]] zergs for an example. The one's that do stay at lvl 1 and 2 are throw aways that won't be used again anyway, so deleting them wouldn't have any effect except to free up the account name to be used by another player. And that is something Kevan has said he doesn't want as it would cause confusion. Also lol @ my post up there ^ from Sept 5.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Last Major Change to this page? ==<br />
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When was the last major change to this page made, the one where months pf posts were cleared off and the number of topics reset to 0 (I assume 0)?. What about the Suggestions Development Page, where the Overflow section used to be? I'm trying to find certain old stuff, and I need to know those important dates to do so...thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:07, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=prev&oldid=1241305]]This? You can chust check yourself by looking in the history tab at the top of each page. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:27, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:That link's no good.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::There was a history purge so links to old edits don't work. However purges aside he's right, if you need to find an old version of the page use the history tab at the top.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::When was the last purge anyhow? That would really help. Those do make thinsg confusing...looking for old stuff that's gone...--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 19:17, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Dear Kevan: ==<br />
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<span style="color: #800000; font-family: Times"><center>You may try to tear down our barricades, devour our friends and allies, destroy our home... But we ''will'' prevail. Your efforts will be met with the stalwart defense that Barrville has maintained for these three years, and with our community at our sides, you must eventually accept defeat. You will go down, Kevan... and we'll put you there. And we'll do it oldschool; With our fists, With our boots, with lead pipes...<BR>And yes, with Axes. We shall not be put down.<BR>'''We Are AXES HIGH'''<br />
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E Cinerebus, Gloriam --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 16:13, 5 September 2008 (BST)</center></span><br />
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:'''''HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!''''' [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Okay, I actually thought it was quite the honour to be eaten by Kevan... but none the less worthy of an overtly trenchy and overdramatic comment. - --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 20:46, 23 September 2008 (BST)<br />
==Database errors==<br />
We are getting some infrequent, but still painfully annoying database errors. Last night when i was trying to edit [[A/VD]] i couldnt because of them, and we lost two current revisions on a page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASpacer_one%2FAthair_bas&diff=1270526&oldid=1270400 here] to them as well. Can you please take a look and find out whats going on? --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 21:51, 10 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Noted. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:43, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like we lost a handful of page revisions during the history purge; I'll look at restoring them this afternoon. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:08, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Okay, fixed, the handful of pages that were affected are stable now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==About the proxy issues...==<br />
this site: http://www.gmodtop100.com/ had a similar iddue which involved everyone giving themselves votes using proxyies from proxy.org Recently the website restted all the lists and when I tried to give hits to my gmod clan, I discovered that by some sort of meckanism they had managed to block proxies from being able to vote. I know they hadn't simply banned them because even my top secret proxy was blocked and I had never used it to access the website before. Maybe if you could get in contact with this "Pulsar effect" guy we could finally end this. [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It's really not as simple as some people seem to think. Web-based CGI or PHP proxies, or even SOCKS/HTTP proxies, are merely the tip of the iceberg – anyone with any decent technical expertise or friends with same can bypass any proxy list you care to come up with. Sure, it might be helpful, but it won't be a silver bullet, as Kevan alluded to above. Either way, we'll need to continue with [[ZHU|community-based]] [[GTFO|solutions]], as well as any additional technological measures that may be implemented. And remember... {{cquote||It may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma... which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve.''|Edgar Allen Poe}}{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And...{{cquote||Some things are not problems to be solved, they are facts to be coped with.''|Anonymous}} --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:23, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Future history wipes==<br />
Would it be possible leave a few more months worth of page histories next time a wipe is done? It's making it very hard to evaluate and track deletion requests, vandal histories and the like when histories just weeks old are missing, making it especially difficult to determine who should have "ownership rights" of group pages. Loosing histories will always be a problem, but the problem can be lessened significantly if you could keep it to older edits <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:56 20 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Or a portion of the oldest edits on a page(like the first 5 if possible).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And maybe a backup for the suburb danger status, using that sql code i sent you last time... heh... too bad i only found out about this wipe weeks after it occured, or i would have asked you to make the backup before the wipe. Bugger. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 03:14, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== I'm wishing for headshot.... ==<br />
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maybe for those left in monroeville should have something, like headshot, cause look at whats left... [[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:53, 4 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:The problem with that is to use headshot, you need to interact with zombies. A lot of the zeds left metagame, and all you'd do is draw others to your location. So yes. Bring it back. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I agree, running from zeds is getting old. I imagine they must be pretty bored as well. If not perma-death, how about headshot drops AP to zero. Otherwise we'll continue this war of attrition. Also shouldn't we get new badges? It would be cool if we had an incentive to keep playing besides making the zeds look impotent.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== ALiM's Birthday Party ==<br />
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You've been cordially invited to attend ALiM's birthday party at [[Club Head]] at 10am GMT on the 18th of October. Festivities will last for a full 24 hours. See [[Talk:Amusing_Locations_in_Malton#ALiM_PARTY.21.21.21|here]] for more details, oh divine master.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 02:15, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Misconduct ==<br />
I figure you are already aware of whats going on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#User:Grim_s| Here] but figured you should be formally informed. The final decision of the community has not been reached, but the general consensus will at the very least include the Bureaucrat status being removed from Grim. More may or not follow depending upon deliberations. Thank You. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:25, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:You have provided no evidence of misconduct. This is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:18, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Grim pipe down, everyone knows what you think and we also happen to know what Conn thinks. I can appreciate you're pissed off but can you not write the same boring ass one line all over the place, at least i nice tl;dr wall for old times sake ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:33, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Its not a boring arse line. Its a simple fact. All accusations of abusing the status of sysop as abadge of authority to force ones wishes on the community '''must''' come with '''clear evidence''' over a '''substancial period of time'''. So far no such evidence has been presented, and all my requests that it be have been soundly ignored by all concerned. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:36, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Conveniently all such evidence was wiped by Kev yestermonth, so i guess it falls down to your word against his/theirs. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Evidence already posted would still be present, easily visible to all who try a basic search. In any case, as [[user:Revenant]] has said, this is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Court Kangaroo Court], nothing more nothing less. My defense, which is logically sound, has been ignored, except where people have cherry picked points to troll. Saddam Hussein got a fairer trial than i am. In any case, without evidence, you cannot convict. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:40, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug*, shouldn't have declined my sysopship... ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::You were unfit for the job, and your subsequent tantrum proved as much to even the most jaded of eyes. My job isnt to make friends, or to be popular, or to do what people want, its to do what the rules and guidelines of this wiki state is correct, and to make the best decisions for the wiki in places where the guidelines do not cover. I am the only person to have ever lived up to that responsibility. No one else has, though karek comes damned close. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:47, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::oh come on, it was a joke! I thought even in your current state you should have picked it up. Feel free to slur away, hope it makes you feel better, xoxo. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:51, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Im sorry, but one seldom finds entertainment when one is the victim of such obvious and gross injustice where one cannot do anything about it. I apologise. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::apology accepted, we shall see how it plays out...now, to leave kevan's talk page so he doesn't get pissed off and cancel my accounts!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, this page was already on my watchlist. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:37, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::You gonna have a vote? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Contrary to Conndraka's first post, this is not a community decision at all. It is in fact a decision made by a small group of sysops. I trust the subtle difference and obvious deceit on Conndraka's part is not lost on you. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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There being no official method or process of notification...[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Final_Ruling| Here] is the result. Note the community "petition" that is also currently attached to the position. There being no "Policy" in this manner, the impeachment of a sysop by the community is a nebulous proposal at best. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:00, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:So that was you that thought that it would be a good idea to try to drive someone to vandalism as a last resort at neutrality? If it wasn't whoever added that petition should themselves be vandal escalated for misusing an administrative page to further a personal fight. Precedent matters.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:13, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Just for the record it was me who added the "petition" it was not intended to be used as evidence against Grim it and i thought it was pretty clear that I was asking for the communities opinion on wether Grim should face a vote. more than 1 person thought not.... apparently my intention was not clear enough and it turned into a petition while i was off-line. Should Grim have lost his Crat status? Probably... should he have lost it for the misconduct case? Absolutely not!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Bug, "zerg flag", or what? ==<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=951980 This alt] has recently tried searching for FAKs in a powered Mall with *no* success. 'Tis far more than bad luck... All other actions seem to working just fine, and I really can't see how a zerg flag could have been activated, even accidentally. Is this a bug, some unannounced change, or has a zerg flag somehow been activated? Anyone else had anything similar happen? But if it is a bug, then I'll report it normally... Thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:09, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unannounced change, although you shouldn't be getting ''zero'' success. If it keeps up, report it as a bug and we'll get some more data on it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Can you post these things as news? not only are we in a news drought, but it'll send the mall rats scurrying to the TRPs...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:25, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::It seems a bit cheap to announce search tweaks as fully-fledged "game updates". There are some proper updates on the way. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Perhaps, but it makes a difference. And considering it was suggested through the wiki suggestion system it'd a tip of the hat to the crowd over there (regardless of whether or not you actually saw that ;) ), i look forward to new updates :D something pro zombie perhaps? Things have quietened down in Malty as of late...btw kudos on the ruin update, she added a whole new dimension to the game.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Oh good. I thought this was just me. I have been getting reduced search rates EVERYwhere. (Hospitals, Malls, NT buildings.) Quite a few days I've spend 18~23 AP in these buildings over a period of about 10~12 minutes and have found nothing at all. Recently I've used a mall-searcher and spent 20 AP in Caiger NW and have found nothing in any store. It woulda been nice to see this as an official update. [[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 14:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yay! Updates are ace. :D -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:47, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Yes, please announce it or something. I was sad to find just 2 FAKs with 20 APs in a lightened mall with bargain hunting. Its just very less. First i thougt, it was bad luck, but others said the same too. Maybe a small view, what has been changed would be nice. --[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 17:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::'''My search-statistics:'''<br />
:::::::'''Where:''' lightened Mall, searched in the Drugstore<br />
:::::::'''Skill:''' Shopping+Bargain Hunting<br />
:::::::'''APs:''' 38 / 47<br />
:::::::'''Found nothing:''' 30 / 36<br />
:::::::'''Found a FAK:''' 8 / 11<br />
:::::::'''Rate:''' 21,06% / 23,4%<br />
:::::::--[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 18:18, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Assuming there are no more break-ins at my safehouse, I'll post some data tomorrow. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk]] </span> </sup> 04:26, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the reply, Kevan... No, you're right, haven't had a lot of time to play lately, but I tested it further and I did finally find some FAKs... And for everyone else... I believe I know ''exactly'' why Kevan implemented this. And it pleases me, personally, very much. :) Meanwhile, this wasn't a game-mechanic change, just a search rate nerf... Thus, I think it's cool it was left for us to discover on our own, and not as an announcement... Even if I had to resort to the cheap method of asking the big guy himself... ;) Though I did suspect it might be a search rate nerf, I just didn't ''dare'' to believe'' :D ... Thanks, Kevan, cool change... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:01, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh... FTR limited data... but searching for guns in a mall ''seems'' the same as always... and syringe rates have been quite low for some time now... just to clear up statement made above about everything sucking... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:05, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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You know, there's a [[Search Odds|better place]] than Kevan's talk page to dump this data... --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup II==<br />
I have regularly spoken to you of the abuses of adminsistrator and the flaws of the system. I have begged, and pleaded for you to become involved in fixing these problems. You have told me to do it myself. Tow/three days ago i notified you of my intent to stage a coup on this wiki and enforce a better way, at the very least as a trial run. I also informed you that you could call it off simply by telling me "no". Since you havent responded, and circumstances have cospired to make such an option impossible in the immediate future due to the very corruption that has taken root, i have been forced to go ahead earlier than i would have liked. I merely ask that you adopt a wait and see attitude towards what i am trying to do. This is my last throw of the dice. My last ditch attempt to make this a better place before i take my leave of this community forever. I apologise for the manner in which i had to bring it about however. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 10:26, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hello Grim. I read your email as a bold request for ''permission'' to single-handedly institute "sweeping reforms" and selective sysop demotions. I didn't realise you were threatening to actually abuse bureaucrat powers and go ahead regardless, if I didn't respond quickly enough.<br />
:Yes, whenever you email me asking that I force through a change that you personally want implemented, I suggest that you take it through the proper channels - usually a policy discussion, to at least get some community feedback first. I don't see why you couldn't have done that here. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup==<br />
Could you please re-sysop all the people that Grim just demoted, please, and remove his bureaucrat status to avoid it happening again? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:24 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Already onto it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::sooo....where do we go from here? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::[[Suburb Nicknames#West Becktown|PUSSY TOWN]]!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Shouldn't grim also have been demoted ? He can still do lots of damage with his sysop powers --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Given the "effective immediately i am seizing executive power" tone of his bureaucrat abuse, and the fact that he claims to have left the wiki permanently, temporarily revoking his sysop powers seems fair enough, if only as a security issue. I'll reverse it should the [[Misconduct#User:Grim_s|new misconduct case]] decide in his favour. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:34, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Hm... I think I may create a new subpage on my userspace containing as much of this stuff as I can. It will be interesting to read through and spot the points at which Grim became more and more frantic. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::First Katthew, now grim. There is no place for common sense is there? Maybe i'm not in possession of all the facts; all I see is one frustrated person finally snapping, after years spent as one of the very few sysops to actually work to make this a better place - rather than feather his own nest. The wiki has finally moved from being a source of information to some kind of passive-aggressive, UD version of Facebook. I'd rather have one person capable of making a mature decisions, unafraid to step on a few toes and deflate a few egos, than a gaggle of preening children. Disappointing. --[[User:Keith Drudgely|Keith Drudgely]] 17:58, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Grim was anything but "mature". Just saying. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 20:56, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::you should talk, cyberbob... actually, i do think grim was someone who worked hard for the wiki... and he'd dealt with idiocy for so long, he did snap... however, if only he'd handled things better over the long haul... le sigh... for what it's worth, the drama has pretty much caused me to quit the game, too... pathetic how seriously some people (myself included) take all this sometimes... and interesting how easy it is to walk away when the bad taste gets to be too much, and how little you miss UD when you do... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:36, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Biiig difference between being immature by choice and being immature by impulse, Wan. Also, WTF is with you and ellipses? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:18, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::~2 years till the next sysop snaps. I can understand where Grim was coming from though. It's very frustrating when people constantly attack you for no perceived reason, and eventually you *have* to snap, no one can sustain continued harassment. Grims misconduct case showed this, sysops calling for Grims demotion over something so minor was ridiculous. Unfortunately once a group of users has decided to attack you there's nowhere safe on the wiki, and eventually you are forced to leave until things cool off, which can be a long while, and difficult to do if you are a regular. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">11:35/13/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::::OR you could simply cease the unneccessary causticness that brought on all that ire and start acting with some degree of restraint rather than taking the easy route and trying to lay the blame on others. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:52, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Cyberbob's right, just because you weren't a victim of Grim's monster rampage doesn't mean it didn't happen. You should try to understand Jedaz, people didn't just rise against Grim for fun. We aren't idiots. If we were mindless idiots we would be playing Halo 3 and NFL 2009 instead of UD. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:58, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::It's called Madden you culturally ignorant fuck. Nah you're allllright. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:02, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::How dare you be here and not on IRC. You left me alone with those barbarians. >=[ {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::sorry sorry! I was spose to go to bed 21 minutes ago...hows a week tonight for you? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:19, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::@Cyberbob - What kind of restraint are you talking about? Restraint of language? I don't see anyone else restraining themselves. Restraint of Sysop powers? Well there wern't any successful misconduct cases about misuse. If you are talking about restraining yourself once you've snapped then you must be laughing. Don't get me wrong, Grims attitude didn't help the situation, but people making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't going to help either.<br />
::::::::@DDR - What has Grim done since June to have this "uprising" occur? Personally I didn't see Grim do anything outside of his regular behaviour (ignoring this most recent case), and the community has known about his behaviour for a long time and still elected him! Would the community still have rised up if this didn't occur? If not then it's just an angry mob and it would have cooled down eventually, where as an uprising would still have occured.<br />
::::::::Anyway, if either of you wish to continue this conversation I'ld suggest we move this to my [[User_talk:Jedaz|talk page]] rather then clog up Kevans. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:34/14/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::My point, Jedaz, was that if Grim was at all socially intelligent he would have realised that people weren't going to take his shit forever. If he wanted to prevent an explosion of the sort we saw he should've taken steps to improve his self-control. Blaming his completely unreasonable hissy fit (ZOMG IM GONNA LOSE MAI CRAT STATUS ALL MUST DIE) on the completely understandable reactions of everyone else is ridiculous. You need to take off the "I got yo back brotha!" goggles (you think I don't remember the circumstances of your demotion?) and take a step back to look at things realistically. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I supose you have a point. But I don't think you fully understand the reason I chose to be demoted (if you did then you wouldn't have brought it up). My point is if you don't have the support of the team you are working in then of course you are going to find it tough and eventually you are either going to quit or break. Nobody seems to care that it can actually get to this point. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:20/16/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::Cyberbob's right. Do you actually have a personal history with Grimsky? He has been planning this entire explosion for a very long time. He probably stretched out the time of the case so it could build up to a bigger explosion. He deliberately did this for his own ego. And yet you don't think he was unfit to be at the position he was at? Why argue with us more? Ask the entire community which demanded what we demand right now. I don't want to disrupt Kevan (I know your reading hun =]) So I'll stop here, no need to pursue justification. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::it was very calculated, there was a reason he chased away the other competent sysops, and crats, and meatpuppeted his crat "election". He was planning this "coup" for a while and was no lapse in judgement.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:30, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::I miss all of the good stuff. I believe what Anime is referring to is discussed [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|here]], with a now dead reference to [[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysop_Sub_Groups:The_Cheesy_Version#"With_less_than_10_active_sysops"|the original conversation here]]. You know, where he admits to hounding sysops such as Vista and Hagnat to get them to quit their positions. Coincidentally, after he got Hagnat to quit, he got elected as a Bureaucrat. No, obviously no long term plan in place.<br />
:::::::::::{{quote|Grim_s|Making a new sysop subclass wont solve this problem, all it will do is bloat the numbers of idiot sysops, which i have spent the last 18 months whittling away at.}}<br />
:::::::::::Whoops. I guess it ''was'' a long term plan to get into power after all, huh? [[Image:Haw.gif]] --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:52, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::No way to prove this but on IRC Grim would often criticize my "hissy fits" of pissing people off for lulz and then brag about how he could do it better. I think AS remembers it, he often hung out in #udwiki. My point, he planned this. That wasn't impulse. Impulse is "DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING!!!" --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:07, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::Maybe they are talking about on a geological timetable. Or perhaps some people need to [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impulse%5B2%5D read more]. I do find it amusing that [[:Template:Grim Doom|this template]], which was meant as a joke, is closer to the truth than people like to believe. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::He made [[User:Grim_s/Sandbox/Thingamajig|these notes on attempting to scrap the system]] back in July, which included the idea that my veto power was a "problem" and should be revoked. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::That's kind of why I am confused how what [[User:Amazing|Amazing]] did was worse than this. There is a huge history of edits of Grim chasing users off of the wiki in order to attain the power he craved ([[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|'''by his own admission''']]), then kicks off the rest of the sysop team to implement his changes when he is threatened, yet he doesn't receive the same punishment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::You're confusing yourself, because the Amazing and Grim situations are totally different. Amazing wasn't a sysop when he earned his permban through the established VB escalation system, and it was also a long, long time ago. Most of the sysops ruling on Grims case had nothing to do with the wikigate farce. Careful what you wish for, Akule, [[Witch Burners]] arn't that picky, as you well know <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:35 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::::Oh, okay, so talking with Kevan about how Grim probably should have been permabanned for chasing away several good sysops, plotting to remove Kevan's veto power, and overthrowing the other sysops results with veiled threats of forcing me off the wiki from you. Gotcha. So, when are you going to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Amnesty&diff=next&oldid=1295384 "waah"] Kevan like you did Hagnat and the others? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:17, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::I'm not threatening to force you off the wiki, Akule. I'm trying to point out that if witch burners always got their way, Grim would be out, but so would you, long ago due to copyright-gate. And why the hell would I Wah Keven, you clown... you're the one doing the waaaaahing <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::It's cos deep down (very deep, in some cases) we've all got a soft spot for ol' grimchy.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::And the winner of the Speak For Yourself award goes to.... --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 08:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Ooo! ooo! I'm a shoo in for this one! Pick me! Pick me! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:58, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::Umm...Boxy? How is what Grim did similar to the Witch Burners? Our goal is to remove those who create mass amounts of drama on the wiki through vandalism, arby's, and other crap. We are the vigilantes that work where the sysops can't. Grim would have been a target of ours if we weren't so afraid of him banning us after labeling him a target. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:25, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Well, I was referring to the way Grim has become a targeted witch, actually, but he did use similar tactics, now you mention it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::::::::::::The problem Grim saw with Kevan's veto power was that Kevan's refusal to participate in the wiki and the absence of the threat of the use of that power was in and of itself damaging to the wiki and led to a lot of the crap that annoys all of us. It wasn't that Kevan had veto power but that Kevan wasn't willing to give that power any weight. You'd probably know that if you ever spoke to Grim outside of arguments.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:24, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::I did. Usually it was go back to an argument, mostly over stupid shit. Mentioning you like Star Wars would result in a vicious attack on why TIE Fighters can't make noise in space. I for one don't give a shit. Grim loved to create trouble over stupid shit. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:23, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::That wasn't directed at you Sonny.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:54, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::BUT GODDSDAMMIT TIE FIGHTERS CAN'T MAKE A NOISE IN SPACE!!!!!!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 18:28, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::fcuk u tehy can 2!!1!!!1one! --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::: obviously the whole star war universe takes place in a particle rich nebula that allows for both the transmission of sound and the really spectacular explosions...DUH! [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:07, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Well at least we don't have Real Gamer ruling the wiki.Grim did make a joke about a coup earlier in 2008 around the time the the dead did their rampage I believe.And by the way, according to the History Channel,if you were in space,the Death Star firing and destroying a planet is as less loud than you clicking your computer's mouse.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Coup Misconduct Resolution ==<br />
[[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Resolution.2FFinal_Ruling| Resolution]] of the Misconduct case due to the coup, Just an FYI for official notification. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== HP? ==<br />
Just stood up after a revive... Found myself at 20 instead of 30. another one of these unannounced changes? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:07, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:That would be a bug. Report it if it happens again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:24, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I like the NT scan tweak. Very classy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Grammar ==<br />
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You try to add some corrugated iron to the barricade, but can't find a place for them.<br />
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"Them" should be "it", or "corrugated iron" should be plural, so maybe "corrugated iron rods".<br />
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Hope this is in the right place, and I know you probably don't care that much about small gramatical errors but someone needs to point them out!<br />
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Feel free to downsize the image..I would but I need to run! {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 12:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Update ==<br />
I don't do this much and am actually on the side of criticizing updates as too much for false problems but this recent update has been something that has been long in the waiting. Thank You, this might actually get me playing my characters again.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:37, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll go along with that. Admittedly I'm far more easily-pleased than Karek and never stopped actively playing, but still, thanks for a great update. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:27, 17 October 2008 (BST).<br />
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== Privacy Policy ==<br />
Hi kevan, is there any chance of a Privacy Policy being written up regarding players IP's and emails. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:58, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:[[UDWiki:Privacy policy]] has been in the footer for a couple of years now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:13, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Sorry I did not make it clear, I meant in regards to the game, not the wiki.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 10:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Streetwalkin' cheetah with a heartful of napalm ==<br />
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A ruffian headbutted me for 1 damage today, as a human. Is this a new addition or am I slow? I basically came here to ask, Kevan, how does one headbutt? Is it a random occurance that may happen instead of excecuting the punch command? Just curious. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:22, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Heh. That would have been me, non? Headbutt works via ?actions, i simply installed a greasemonkey script that allows me to perform said action in harman form without using the ?action. Sometimes young ddr, the only way to fight fire is well, with fire ;) . --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:50, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::That would be biting with a mask while alive I assume. 'cause you can bite while alive but, for 1 damage.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:49, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like the shooting while a zombie cheat to me. That hasn't been fixed yet, has it? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:27 18 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::That was fixed just before April 1 this year, I remember because Red Rums April Fools plans were ruined.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 17:06, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::The only reason the shooting cheat got fixed was because enough people decided to whine about such a minor thing. No one really cares about this one and it's been known for a long long time. That being said the damage is reduced when trying to perform zombie actions while living, it's always punch damage and I think punch rates too.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:58, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Nah no mask, just 1 damage.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:55, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I wish to lay claim to be the first person to be headbutted for 1 damage by a harman. Then I'll be positively famous. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:52, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You aren't. Unfortunately i'm not original, i got the script that allows me to do this off viktor, first person i know of who got headbutted was Fiffy i think, check with Anime, he'll know! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:06, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Take it to [[Talk:Actions via "question marks"]], thanks kids... no need to bother Kevan with this. Basically all these attacks work as a punch with different flavour: they're all 25% to hit, 1 damage. And you're very late to the party, I know I and others have been doing this for 6 months or more. Pretty much from around the time ActOnProfile came out. <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:34, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And unlike shooting while a zombie...the damage able to be inflicted by this is minimal. I've been bitten by a harman before. It was hilarious. ;) --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 04:15, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aha! That sneaky gorilla's secret is revealed! At last the world makes sense again. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 05:09, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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/topic. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:31, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== so wait... new map? whats for monroeville? ==<br />
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2 questions....headshot on this map or?<br />
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and monroeville is at 260 poeple so im kinda wondering if theres anything left for it....<br />
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[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 10:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:First question, the first one to level 10'll find out. Question 2, get over it, there's been nothing there for ages...new city thyme :D --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Kazypoo1, Monroeville ''did'' die quite a while ago, in case you didn't notice... I thought it said 'permanent zombification' somewhere, and it only lasts a month, so I'm assuming its perma headshot. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::No, headshot doesn't mean permadeath in Borehamwood. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hello Kevan, quick question: The stats page currently displays the Monroeville numbers as {{udspan|(1023 standing survivors, 707 standing zombies, 43896 accounts created)}}. I take it this is Borehamwood numbers mixing with the old of Monroeville. So will we get separate stats for Borehamwood? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:So. That's basically 950 survivors against 200 zombies at the moment? Still I liked getting the rage. It was fun. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Good point. Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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With the new locations such as railway line(s) and petrol station(s), what do they bring to the game? Is their any new weapons/items? --[[User:Alcatraz311|Alcatraz311]] 15:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Was this why the server went down last night by any chance? =P -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Publicity of Big Brother house location ==<br />
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Greetings. I, amongst others, would like to know your opinion on publicity of the Big Brother house location on the wiki. Should it stay hidden or be revealed? --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 13:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Unless Kevan comes out and says otherwise, this is no different than any other location in the game. Removing it is in no way different to a group of trenchies removing [[Giddings Mall]] from the map in case [[MOB]] comes to visit. Information is free. Censorship is bad.<br />
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:This wiki is a game resource, not a vehicle for censorship so that certain players can increase their chances of winning a DVD.<br />
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:Also this information has already been disseminated to public UD forums and is available through public iwitnesses. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Had this talk with the Big Man before, and he said he has no problem with it. Actually, he imagined its coordinates would have been posted in a matter of hours on the wiki, and also broadcasted through radio and stuff like that. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's up to players how much information they share or conceal; I don't mind either way, in this case. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Wow... as if we don't get enough of the BB franchise on the idiot box, now we get huge BB eye's looking at us as we attack a mall in Malton? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:59 2 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:They'd only be there because someone chose to spraypaint them, but the graphic shouldn't have been showing up outside Borehamwood. This is now fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::OK, thanks. I have a particular hatred of the bastardisation of the original "big brother" concept that involves housemates <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:56 3 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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== Questions about your character ==<br />
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I assume this UD ID is yours, correct, UD ID-11? Well, I'd like to welcome you to West Grayside, though I don't appreciate the eating of so many brains. Also, I don't appreciate the Ninja Zombie status you seem to give yourself. we all know the military covers up things, but covering up their own skills? I scanned your zombie, listed as pre-death class Military, but you lack any military skills! So is just a sick joke, or is it a bug? Picture of scan here:<br />
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Thanks for checking.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Damn, that's a pretty smart catch! Bub is pretty famous among organized zombie players, and most folks know him for not having any human skills, but I never knew he was a "military class" character, as I've never seen the "living" version of his profile.<br>I doubt its a bug; G. Romeroe's "Bub" character was military. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 22:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::How did he get Military without any skills? .......... Oh wait.... Mad haxors skill... :P --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Bweing god of Urban dead helped as well; being able to defy the laws of logic and the 4rth dimension and whatnot. Wait whats his human account?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 03:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So, what is his human account? --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 17:00, 26 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::I don't think any of the survivor accounts are known, but we know he has them out there... Somewhere... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 02:41, 27 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=14 Kevan] doesn't seem to do much <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:11 27 September 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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== Mediawiki Update ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if there any chance of getting wiki software updated? The latest version is v1.13 and there are several useful new features, including: <br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
It's not urgent or anything, but it would be nice if you could put it on your busy to-do list :D.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That sounds pretty cool. =) Can we get it for Christmas? Means you'd only have to get us one present between us this year, saving you quite a lot of money. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Image undeletion is enabled by default as well-useful for when sysops accidentally delete a useful image {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Black Holes of Borehamwood==<br />
Evening. There's a couple of squares in [[Borehamwood]] that are seemingly unscoutable. Namely deep river sections. Can you confirm there's nothing mysterious and shiny hiding in the depths, islands and the like? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'd just like to also say thank you for the charcoal briquettes barricade message. Brought a smile to my face.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazing ==<br />
I'v always owndered for these 2 years; what in the hell DID amazing do anyways? What grim did is easy to see because of the publicity and recentism of it but what EXACTLY did amazing do?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amount of characters in a broadcast ==<br />
I was wondering, Since I started the [[Galaxy News Radio]] i've found that the very small amount of characters you can use is at best, a thorn in my side, couldn't it be possible to make the transmission amount of characters the same as for speaking, it makes perfect sense really --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 21:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If you want to make a suggestion for an in game feature, take it by [[Developing Suggestions]] and get some constructive criticism before putting it up for voting. Although as far as i'm aware the character cap exists to limit spamming of radio channels.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Actually it's probably more of a necessary thing like the 50 people limit in normal speak is. Radio can't share that limiter because that would eliminate it's whole purpose so the only other ways to limit it is to put an upper end on how much you can say per day per channel.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::It's a possibility, but since character limits (as far as i'm aware) predates the need for limiting talking to 50 it seems odd.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
Okie i'll take this to the development pages, thanks for the feed back though guys {{unsigned|An unlucky guy|11:00, November 23, 2008}}<br />
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==Dead Set Competition== <br />
Can I assume that the prizes and all went off without a hitch so I can update the competition as a Past event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, the winners have been selected and contacted, and talking to the cameras in the diary room no longer has any effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Trade?==<br />
Sorry to bother you but I was wondering why survivors can't trade. This could lead to more eaisly avalible equipment, I think there would be a limit thou. Generators couldn't be traded etc. I think that it might help the humans in a bunch of Unbalanced claims. Players could not trade to same Ip address characters would stop cheating and it could lead to characters traveling round Malton selling there wares which would be fun to see. My regards it's a great game and I've got a bunch of my freinds playing now too. Thanks from me and them [[User:Athur birling]]<br />
:Heya. If you want to make a suggestion for an addition to the game you should go [[suggestions|here]]. In the meantime check out [[Frequently_Suggested#Giving_or_Trading_Items|this]] which explains why trading is generally seen as a bad idea. Anyway, welcome to the totally awesome UD wiki!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The [http://www.urbandead.com/faq.html#trade FAQ] does hint at trading, but he also says it will take lots of thought. I imagine the coding would be nightmarish too. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::you know what link? you're alllllllllllllllllright.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks {{unsigned|Athur birling}}<br />
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==Making a list? Checking it Twice?==<br />
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We getting a chrimbo update? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow? ==<br />
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Are you hiding it under your cap? Or NO SNOW FOR MALTON WINTER 08'? I miss mah flakie friends! --[[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 21:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:[http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a841/a841.gif Al Gore was right]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd like to put in another vote for snow! I missed the fog this year at Halloween and the snow really added some nice flavour in my opinion. --[[User:Queen Mum|Queen Mum]] 00:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Need moar snow. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== what, no more newspapers? ==<br />
they don't seem to be showing up in hospitals anymore. got rid of them, eh? any chance of them coming back, i love smacking people with 'em! :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:They should be somewhere else maybe? It was annoying with them in hospies. Luckily all ma guys have them already :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Still plenty of places to find [[newspapers]], guys. lrn2wiki. <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, there are no more newspapers in Hospitals. I search them often, and not in ages have I found a newspaper therein. Update that wiki page? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Same here. Seems safe to update. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== I can't smash Xmas lights??? ==<br />
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Those darned Whos! I hate them!! But seriously, the option to smash christmas lights in a ruined building is not available. This is blatant discrimination against zombie scrooges. I protest! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:My apologies. I figured it out. :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hi, I'm a big fan. I finally found your talk page and I have a question, can you reinstall headshots in Monroeville as the humans think they can take down us zeds........--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leaving nice messages for Kevan is fine, however we have a system for suggesting improvements. Please go to [[Developing_Suggestions|Developing Suggestions]] and suggest it there. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 19:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Character Deleted == <br />
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I wanted to make sure that this [[Fixed_Bugs#Teleport_across_Malton_and_level_0_account||bug]] was fixed but it appears that it is not fixed. If you are on the edge of Malton and go to http:urbandead.com/map.cgi?v=100-99 it will mess up your character. I did this with my charachter Yark and now whenever I log in I can't perform any actions with him, and it seems his skills have been deleted: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815674 --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 20:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No! Yark! =( -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Just replicated it by going from 0,99 to 0,100 in New Arkham with a random throwaway I just made: [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1442227 Testy McTesterson]. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I hate to say it, I killed mister <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=142058 password]</span>. After more poking, I have observed even more; Couple of AP and permadeath, I'm the first to go from Spicer Hills to Dakerstown instantly. I'll work out more details when my IP hits refresh, as I just used a proxy that I didn't much like. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::<nowiki>:</nowiki>'( --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::password will live on. (and probably be revivificated) Also, what about 100-100? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::[[:Image:Testy.jpg|We're alive!!]] =D We're level 0 and we've got a zombie chewing on us, but we're alive!! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Fixed. I've dropped Yark into a random, secure building, and given the character 1000XP to get up and running again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The bug? Or Yark? password and Testy are level 0.. The bug was interesting, odd behaviour, but it would be nice if after a server reset you could be free to move again. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 18:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The bug. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 18:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Project Namespace ==<br />
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we have few projects, yet i was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting to have them in their own namespace. Thus projects like [[The Great Mall Project]] and [[ALiM]] would be located in [[Project:The Great Mall Project]] and [[Project:ALiM]]. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but "Project" is a builtin alias for whatever the name of the wiki is (here it's "UDWiki"). e.g. [[Project:Administration]] is the same as [[UDWiki:Administration]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Darn, forgot about that. Maybe in the plural then, [[Projects:The Great Mall Project]] --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::That would just be confusing.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Just Plain Vanity ==<br />
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Any chance of a {{Udspan|''' Dermot O'Leary was still alive and active one month into the Borehamwood quarantine.'''}} ? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== about the admin team ==<br />
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how do you feel about the current sysop team of the wiki ? do you have any problems with how we run things ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:does he give a fuck? recent history would suggest probably not. Stop fishing for compliments hagnat. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:okay that came out a little harsh, but i don't see why you want to bring kevan into this other than for your own gratification. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Hedging much? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 13:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::It's pretty easy to predict what he's going to say. Why would he complain? You can't have nothing to do with your own games wiki then rock up and say 'i hate the way you people run it' and then disappear again. Unless he wants to get involved in the wiki again kevan ''can't'' say he has a problem with the way they run it. Although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Easier than that, last time someone asked him to weigh in on promotions his response was that he basically didn't want his opinion brought into the matter. So No Comment is probably the best bet.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Me? I'm just the guy who provides the hosting, here - I'll step in if there are server issues, or if a rogue bureaucrat locks the wiki down, but everything else is up to the community. If I wanted to have a say in wiki policy, or who should and shouldn't be a sysop, I'd already be doing that. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::J3D 1, haggy, zerrro. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Hey, he gives a fuck about how the community is run. He just won't say how much or what he gives a fuck about. :D --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span></small> 02:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I think Hagnat's concerned for his sysop status. I would be too if I was a ''trusted user'' that was acting against the wishes of the community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop right there Iscariot! I am sick and tired of you constantly saying that every sysop on the team is going agaisnt the wishes of the community! Most of the community never has a problem with the current admin team, and when they do it's rarely a huge problem. Now you come on Kevan's page and still continue the bad mouthing. Just face it, no matter what you will never be pleased with the administration and so you will constantly have to pretend that the whole community is on your side so that you will feel right in your head.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::How many people are there playing the game? How many are on this wiki? Yes, some people don't have time to spend on anything other than playing the game, but how many people are putting hours a day into the meta game and ''still'' won't touch this wiki without an exceptional reason? And how many of those people have told you that the current administration team is one of the primary reasons? My total ''will'' beat yours. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The wiki is an information source. Almost everything is explained in game when you encounter it (1st death, 1st Rez. etc.) So, not every one needs to touch the wiki or even use it as a resource. <br />
::::The wiki is the worst place to organize and meta-game. Just ask DHPD. When we were just Project:T.I.M.E. (well, before the Dead/DoDH) we were seriously outnumbered by them, but because they had all of their profiles linked on here and updated where they were going to be and who they were working with and so on we knew enough about them to take them out. The wiki shouldn't be for the meta-game it should be for information. That's why most groups of note have an off site forum to metagame. You can't blame the current staff because people have figured out that giving away too much information on their groups is bad thing.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::That has so little to do with what iscariot said.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Get it off Kevan's page. He doesn't need to be bothered with a dispute between users. Have it out on each others talk pages, or even mine, just don't start bringing it here. Okay?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 01:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I know, I'm sorry. I just wanted to counter Iscariot's comment because I know exactly what he's trying to accomplish by posting that. I, unlike Iscariot, am done here now.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Much as I hate the way Iscariot is going about his crusade I have to say he does have a point. The sysop team probably does not represent the view of even a large minority of players and that explains why so few players contribute. Not that i think its all the Admin teams fault, but the rules they follow and enforce reflect a community that no longer exist. Most sysops were promoted long before most current players even heard of the game yet the tag "trusted user" is still attached to the title "SYSOP". Few current wiki users vouched for them and fewer still of the actual player base and yet they still cling to positions claiming that "popular" votes undermine the system! They are right that popularity does not mean competence but... Franky i find it a bit odd that sysops can claim the label "trusted user" and not be willing to allow the community to confirm that label. Look back to Conn's promotion bid, or Boxy's or Hagnats or even Kareks and even without checking i can say with confidence that at least half those that vouched are no longer active.... Now i personally '''Would''' vouch for them all but my point is that they were not voted in by the current community and the claims that they are trusted users wear very thin in light of the fact that they do not seem willing to trust the communities opinion on pretty much any issue!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The sysop team doesn't have to represent the view of a large majority of players, it only has to represent the view of the wiki community. Whenever I play a browser game I don't always sign up to their forums/wiki/whatever they have. A large portion of users probably won't bother contributing to the wiki because so many other users already are. If I was to ask you, "what needs contributing to on the wiki?", I'm sure you probably won't have many answers. The only things of note are suggestions and suburb reports, and not everybody is interested in that (and the drama which comes with each of them). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:26/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::I have a few, if you want a list feel free to pester me some time.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 02:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree that the only bits of the wiki that interest most players are the Maps, suggestions and suburb reports (I include maps because i assumed you had forgotten them?) that said i do think that the system is set up to support the views of long time players (contributors) rather than the new players who are actually the lifeblood of the game. While obviously the wiki needs to pay some attention to long time editors like me,wan,cyberbob,ahlg,etc... i would think it would be far more important to promote the wiki to new uers. I still play (and i hope/assume that those named do too) and i would hope that everyone on the admin team does to but it has to be said that without change the game becomes dull and people leave. If the wiki and its admin team does not reflect the changing demographic of the game it is missing what is surely a fundemental point for its existence?--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I remembered the maps, but I did not include them because there is very little to nothing which a new user can contribute to (which is what I'm focusing on). I agree, we should encourage new users to join and contribute, however most of the other work is maintence which doesn't exactly draw the crowd. If you have an idea which would encourage new productive users to sign up then I'ld like to hear it. I'ld be more then happy to help flesh out any ideas you may have. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:50/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::::I think my wiki Urban Dead game could draw in some people to play. They could even make their own once I finish the template. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Autoconfirmed group ==<br />
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Hi Kevan. Just want to ask a quick question. We've had a couple of policies about setting up an autoconfirmed group recently and I thought it might be a good idea to check in with you about it. Depending on the result of [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Autoconfirmed Group Trial|this policy]] would you been willing to implement an autoconfirmed group on the wiki as a trial to see how we get on with it? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No problem. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks. =) -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Quick Questions ==<br />
Sorry to take up your time, but I'm just wandering what you think of the games on the Related Games page. (ie, Nexus War, Shartak, Outbreak, etc). Also on Shartak, Leaky Blocks (It's creator) said that you encouraged Shartak's developement and that you play shartak. Is that true?--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 15:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Shartak's the only spinoff I've played, and yes, Simon/Leaky is an old friend of mine. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Why no chainsaws ==<br />
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:''content moved to [[User_talk:Jakezing|Jakezing talk page]]''<br />
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== Updating the Wiki software, 2.0 ==<br />
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The wiki software, as it stands, is two years old (ish, in the coming month.) As well as the obvious bugfixes and minor changes that can't be gone into detail here, 1.13.3 of MediaWiki has some useful new features that we could use:<br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
*Image undeletion enabled by default<br />
*A prettier [[Special:Specialpages|list of special pages]] (compare to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages Wikipedia's])<br />
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There are heaps of other changes-you can look at the release notes linked [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/News here]. I know that updating the server will take some time, but it would be nice if you could add it to your busy schedule.<br />
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<sub>I stole some of that list from [[User:The General|The General]] above</sub><br />
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Would this increase information between the server and peers= server load increase? {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 12:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think so. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I can't see how it would, but I can't say for sure. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:It's on the to-do list. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Awesome, thanks.--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel -</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks Kevan. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What's your view on adding extensions to the wiki? I'm not talking anything specific here, just in general. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Xmas ==<br />
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Xmas is over, and there are clearly no more Xmas decorations or trees, but the update message was not changed, and there is still the option to hold onto Xmas decorations if found. Perhaps removing that option (and next year posting when Xmas is over) would be helpful? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 13:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Don't take away my Christmas trees... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Christmas trees have been a vehicle for meta-challenges and games when they do pop up. It's fun flavor even in the middle of the year. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool]] and the [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool II]] are a couple examples. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::In sounds like you guys think I am requesting trees be removed altogether. I am not. I mean, the announcement still exists on the main page about the trees and light being available, even though they no longer are, so I am suggesting cycling the announcement to something "current".--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow ==<br />
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Perhaps I have missed something, but did the livestock and industry prevent snowfall last winter? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Misconduct Case Feb 2009==<br />
A user has brought a case over on [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#The_Entire_Sysop_Team.2C_excluding_Kevan_and_.22Urbandead.22|the Administration: Misconduct page]] that indicts every member of the administration team except your personal account and the Urban Dead admin account also controlled by yourself. Due to the obvious problems with ruling on cases in which you are also a named party, none of the current administration team may rule on the case (that is if they conform to the community's policies). Would it be possible for you to quickly look over the case and either rule misconduct or not misconduct to prevent unnecessary fall out? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Pretty sure Kevan isn't going to buy into this shit fyi --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I think you're mistaking me for Read. Fact is, that case is going to sit there for a couple of weeks whilst you and he debate the finer points of whatever it is you discuss. If an involved sysop (as they all are) removes it then we're asking for drama. Kevan can spend five minutes and solve the whole thing for the community, even if he just states that he declines to get involved and rule, which will obviously mean that the sysops cannot be found guilty of misconduct and this will allow the case to be archived. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I may have to agree with Iscariot here. Getting Kevan to say something, anything, will be the only way to end the case without pissing off Read and causing him to file another misconduct case to whomever is the sysop responsible for breaking procedure and then causing a '''huge''' wave of drama, and we all know he's chomping at the bit for something truly substantial to hit the administration with.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 18:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The amount of drama someone causes is only as much as everyone else allows them to (I wasn't mistaking you for Read btw Iscariot; I wasn't intending to implicate you whatsoever). If nobody feeds the troll he will eventually starve to death. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::My opinions on Read, yourself, the sysop team and Santa Claus aren't involved here. The simple fact that allowing the precedent of an involved party to remove a case shouldn't be something we're striving for. Personally I'd rather have Kevan rule, and I think we all know which way. However provided that Kevan publicly responds in some way, even if that response is ''"I'm not ruling, I don't get involved"'', then we have a way to remove the case validly. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::kk --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Read was irrelevant, he wouldn't have continued it and Iscariot has no intentions here but to try and cause said drama. It's what he always does, jumping on something someone else made and perverting it for his own attempts at causing needless drama and faux rebellion to stroke his ego that the sysops who punish him for his actions aren't trusted by the community. The validity of the case was never relevant to his trying to stir shit, neither was the legitimacy of any action a sysop could take in response to it, to him it's all gonna be called abuse. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Not seeing any reason to get involved here; either the misconduct system is poorly worded, or it's being misinterpreted. You shouldn't be able to accuse all but one sysop of misconduct, and allow that one sysop to judge the rest. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::yase, justice have prevailed --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 23:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Massive Zerging in Dunell Hills ==<br />
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About three days ago a large number of new characters all called "TheDeadDie" (i.e., TheDeadDie1 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467702, TheDeadDie15 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467737, etc.) started appearing in Dunell Hills. The first the DHPD heard of it was this iWitness report.<br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-10-09_2000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_5-36_zergertown_a5d-400-1db.html<br />
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There are now, apparently, over 100 of these characters.<br />
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Obviously there is an outside possibility this is a large group of new players but, on the whole, it looks like zerging on a massive scale.<br />
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The DHPD are currently trying to find out more about the situation and deal with it. We thought we should give you a heads up, however, in case there was something obvious in the server logs that would provide definitive proof of zerging and allow swift action to be taken at your end. We understand that you normally prefer to keep out of zerging cases, but this looks pretty outrageous to us and we thought you should, at least, know about it. [[User:Louise|Louise]] 11:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Aye, [[HKL]] ran into this bunch as well and were pretty put-off. [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-11-09_0200hrs_PRIVATE/IN_5-36_Dead_Zerg_Rush__a51-c5d-8a0.html Another iWitness] with even more of them crowded in. Profile search for [http://profiles.urbandead.net/index.php?name=TheDeadDie* TheDeadDie*] shows 102 of them at the moment. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::zergs like that are usually a flash in the pan. 10 bucks says they all idle out before level 3--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 15:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible big ass Zerg in Yagoton ==<br />
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Ok: We have ALOT of Fing lvl 1 free runnerfs hiding in St. Swithuns (which i am guessing you know is a revive point), its caded thanks to the idiots trying ot take over: and I'm guessing this mass colection of lvl 1 free runners (they all have free running only) are bots? They all joined around the exact same time as well.<br />
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*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471315<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471341<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471355<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471480<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471498<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471519<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=163604<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471501<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471358<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471347.<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471324<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471331<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471350<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471366<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471492<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471504<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471367<br />
:Those are the links, srry bout stretching but i forget which one tabs it into a Number.<br />
::Heres a picture of them all in one area. http://i43.tinypic.com/2lwr7k1.jpg<br />
:::Srry bout the mess this is making on the talk.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Take the list to resensitized, that's about all that you can do. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 05:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::One question about that picture. Where'd you get a version of UDToolbar that works with the latest version of Firefox? --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 08:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I just downloaded one? What's different about it? Also theres even more zergs now.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 13:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Jake, unlike how some folks would be I'll be nice here...Kev doesn't do anything about Zergs from info received on the wiki. as a matter of fact Kevan doesn't do a whole lot unless there was a significant amount of community input via the suggestions page and even then it is at his leisure. The Zerg issue is pretty much handled by other folks on the resens list and even then its pretty catch as catch can. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 19:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::No wonder UD fail so hard.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::As many have said before, if you don't like it, then leave. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I think he has sadism issues, as we try and try to get him to leave, but he always keeps coming back for moar abuse. It's sad really.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::You can tell me to go but that doesnt give you the power to make it happen.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I'm not telling you to leave, but it would probably be a good decision if you think UD fails. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 15:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::That's masochism, not sadism. --{{User:William Told/Sig}} 01:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Random Request ==<br />
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Next time you create a new city, any chance of bringing back the junkyard and wirecutters combo? Cheers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:+1. I have to admit to being bitterly disappointed to find open junkyards in Monroeville. :'( {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==TOU/S==<br />
Do we have a Terms of use/service page? I've been looking for a while, and I don't seem to see one. It'd be nice if we did, because then we'd know things that are expressly forbidden due to hosting issues and the like.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:If you cannot find it: it does not exist.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 22:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Oh piss off. No one is fooled by your act, so please just fuck off. Kevan? Do we have a list of things that are forbidden due to country laws, hosting issues, etc. or not (Not necessarily meaning it's available on this site, but one that you know about that pertains to the wiki)? I mean, yeah there are a few "duh" sort of ones, like no kiddie porn and stuff, but others I have no idea about. Any help?--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.com This site] (domain tools,) says that [http://www.as29550.net/ this] is his ISP, server located in England. The ISP has an "Abuse of TOS" email address, so presumably they have a TOS, although I can't find it. I have no idea about English law. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::From time on another, more combative, site I have a layman's understanding of British Law as it applies to defamation, slander, libel and the nature of physical threats and illegal actions that appertain to the settlement of the aforementioned. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::A brief education by the University of Google finds no such laws relating to death threats, but I would imagine that such a law would be buried deep in things like criminal codes. If it comes to it, I'll ask one of my teachers about the (Australian) legal system when it comes to these things, or one of my parents (both lawyers.) That said, that's ''Australian'' law, but our law is pretty similar to that of the UK. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Back in the Day Xoid and I had to do some research on the TOS because of a user abusing in serious violation of them. However I've gone looking and haven't been able to find the references anywhere still on the Wiki. It was probably on a talk page of some article that was deleted in an edit without being archived. The primary gist of it was this... any form of intimidation that went beyond a certain level of namecalling and usual wiki BS was a violation, ESPECIALLY if it included "real world"<sup>tm</sup> threats of harm or violence. Also included were any situation where hosted domains were used to damage the effectiveness of another website or host (as an example you couldn't use any part of the host to launch a d.o.s. attack on another domain. Not that this was really possible by anyone but Kevan. Also iirc the Wiki and the Game were on different hosts at teh time but I'm pretty sure that has changed since then. I don't know. I was never the techno-savant of the group and my memory is hazy. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Thanks Conn, that's a little bit of what I'm looking for. Just waiting for a response from the big man about all this now.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I also thought we had some basic terms on the wiki somewhere, but maybe we don't. The Poundhost terms of service are [http://www.poundhost.com/tos/ here]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Thank you, I'll start working on a page for the wiki.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 14:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|Semi-protection]] ==<br />
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...Was approved. I think all you have to do is change the autoconfirmed group to 1 week and 25 edits. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Going to update the config, it turns out that [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAutoConfirmCount $wgAutoConfirmCount] needs a later version of MediaWiki; this will either have to wait for a MediaWiki upgrade, or be reproposed without the edit count. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::We'll wait for the MediaWiki upgrade, there's no hurry. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wiki_Questions#Time_Travel?|Time Travel]] ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, we've just had a very weird thing happening with the edit histories. Where you trying to do something or was it just a bug? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No, I wasn't around at the time, I've no idea what that was about. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Okay, thanks. I'll do some poking at the Mediawiki help files if I have time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ever gonna update the game? ==<br />
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a lot of people are quitting the game.it's because you won't update the game. you need to push for 2-3 updates per month. i'm telling you so your game does not suffer. please update the game for the people's sake--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:How many games do you run, Yokotory? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Well I do run track and Cross-country. I ski on the weekends.Do you run at any games or track meets?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, rowing and weights are my sporting loves. The difference is that I'm not telling you how to run or ski, whilst you are trying to tell Kevan how to run a game which is heading toward four years of lifespan without once having had your help. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::I refuse to believe that Jerrel wasn't being a smartarse there. The concept of him actually taking your words in that way for real is just too retarded for words. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 06:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::He was kidding wasn't he?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I believe they call it intentional misinterpretation, an example of me employing that very device is on either Boxys or kareks talk page, something to do with alim and hagnat...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I was faced with the choice of believing that he's either cripplingly unfunny or a functionally illiterate retard. The evidence all pointed to 'Retard' so I went with that and answered as though serious.--[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 12:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
No, I'm telling him that his game is going into despair, whilist he is doing nothing about it.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And you're also telling him how to 'fix' it, which amounts to exactly what I said. Care to back up your claims? How far have numbers fallen in the last six months? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I really don't think a 'lack' of updates is the reason for dropping numbers. I'm not 100% sure the balance of some of the more recent updates is quite right but that isn't my call. But the game doesn't need a barrage of updates coming out every other month. The slow progression of the game over time gives it longer life than having quick fix after quick fix to keep people with low attention spans happy.--[[User:DI Marc Sweeny|DI Sweeny]] 01:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The numbers seems to have stagnated, actually. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
I'd like to thank you Kevan for taking your sweet time in updating the game. It's making it a little less full of people entirely incapable of self-motivation, thus making it more fun. Kudos to you sir. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Acctully Kevan is my idol. kevan is a good person for what he's doon.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 02:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Isn't this the dude who nominated himself for sysop after 200 edits? Yoko, do you think you could whip us up a cross-country and/or track MMORPG? Because that would be ''awesome''. Throw in some chainsaws, too, and maybe some crucifixes that shoot laser beams. You would totally show up Kevan! --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 04:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Okay, Now you all think I'm a retard. Sorry for pointing out what everyone else could not see. Sorry for pointing out the obvious. Most people in this game, (the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats, pardon me)would agree with me a think this game needs a freakin update. I take cybertonics and Coding as a special class at GU and I know it's hard to code, I've tryed it. But Kevan IS A TRAINED SPECIALIST. He could redo this entire game in a half hour if he wanted too. sooooo, whays a 1 UPDATE PER MONTH? is that so hard to ask?????<br />
add a new weopon, new builing, something. Please.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Last year kevan gave us 18 updates including 2 new cities. Give him a rest. {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And most all of them had someone complaining about the game being made harder or more complicated. A few legitimately, most because it screwed with their status quo. I have absolutely no clue why he would want to take his time between updates.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Making an update is a '''lot''' more than just coding it. The balance needs to be thought of thoroughly and it needs to be tested. These things take time. Sure, Kevan could probably push out ''one update a week'' if he wanted to and wasn't lazy, but those would be unbalanced and buggy updates. Unbalanced and buggy updates are more likely to drive people away than a lack of updates. The game simply doesn't need to change every month, not even every couple of months. If you find the game boring, ''go and do something interesting and different yourself''. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 09:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. Lots of rushed, unbalanced updates would simply destroy the game (and it has nearly [[On Strike|got to that point]] before.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Finally someone who agrees with me!!! Why drag out updates?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 21:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:"the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats" - Just so you know, I'm neither. Carry on. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm actually the only sysop to comment in this conversation - and I did it [[Talk:Main_Page#Out_of_date.3F|here]] (with the exception of Karek, who'll be [[A/DM|demoted soon.]]) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I find myself in the middle of this arguement, in terms of the two sides. On the one hand, I don't want Kevan to break the game balance every week, fix it and then break it in a different way the next week, but on the other I feel that an update is about due.<br />
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Besides, I think an update every two months or so isn't much of an ask, even if its just adding an item from the PR suggestions. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Can we please close this topic? Everyone wants to say something about Jerrel's ridiculous statement but I don't think it's worth the spam that it's leaving on Kevan's page. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Im sure on the 1st of april there will be an update. usually is! {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
Hey!!!! Everyone that wants an update should get together and go on strike!!!!!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop talking now. A strike for something as lame-assed as this is nothing short of pitiful. You are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
[[Image:Update.JPG]] because i had already done this and it seems a shame to waste such a half assed effort. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with both sides of this. I believe we need updates BIG TIME, but I also believe Jerrel has no right blaming Kevan. He's probably a busy man. As for a strike: No. Plain and simple. Now, can we stop spamming Kevan's pages please? Kthzbye. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::What do we so badly need an update for? The game is well balanced and has a fairly complex and robust play. More fiddly little detail skills likely won't improve that play any, and won't draw in / hold onto more players. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 06:40, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
Why won't Kevan Reply back to this?<br />
<br>I know i was being kind of offensive to you Kevan, so sorry.<br />
<br> But would you mind telling me WHY you won't update the game?<br />
I mean, you gave us two new cities last year!<br />
<br> and i appriciate it, but the game hasn't been updated since 2008!<br />
so, if you don't mind, i would really like to hear what you have to say.<br />
<br> (And please don't flip out on me, even though I have been a jerk)<br />
<br> And i'm also apologizing for being a jerk too.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 01:33, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Making new cities brings in motherfuckin' cash money. Adding skills and what have you doesn't. Comprende? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:28, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:We had an update just 15 days ago! --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 08:55, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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WE DID NOT! LOOK AT THE FREAKING UD START PAGE! NO UPDATE-PREHENDA?----[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 04:18, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Erm, the [[April Fool's]] Day update, the one that happens every year? My god you're dense. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:01, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
<nowiki>*facepalms*</nowiki><br />
<br>Sorry kevan, i usually get all my updates from the game.<br />
<br>nothing unusual happened to me on april 1st though.<br />
<br>i think i'm losing myself.<br />
<br>I AUTHERIZE TOPIC SELF-DESTRUCTION!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 15:52, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:In a word: Fail. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:59, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::He spams Kevan's talk page with so much crap I want to take him to VB... {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:36, 19 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:::I still say kevan should get some people to help him run the game, its rather fun and large for one person ot have to run alone. Oh and I'm not saying me, no I'd abuse it by banning a 4rth of the game and making revives harder again.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 23:58, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Donated Characters == <br />
Any chance that the "This character is no longer affected by the IP limit." banner that appears on your profile if you have donated $5 could be shown to everyone that visits the profile, not just the owner of the profile.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:exhibitionist. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And proud.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I think there's people who would not want that. Maybe if it was an option you could allow / turn off via settingas? {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:39, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I'd have it say "This character has been donated for.", but really, it's basically just showing off – link to your wiki page from your profile and [[Template:Donated|show off there]]. Oh, and I think you meant to post this in [[Developing Suggestions]]. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 08:12, 20 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I would totally come back to just pk people who have donated.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 04:37, 26 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::You've left?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 16:17, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Standing Zombies ==<br />
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Kevan, I can't find the topic from last time around, but the borehamwood stats. Standing zombies means literally that doesn't it. Active zombies with greater than 0 hit points? Not just active zombie characters? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:52, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Question about the last Update ==<br />
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"Survivors are once again looting the long-abandoned seasonal storerooms of the city's shopping malls, to find lights and trees for their safehouses." I'm assuming Christmas season in Malton is really long then, just wondering what kind of in game explanation we could use, --[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:01, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:"The snow has subsided and survivors are ready to feel bad about themselves again". Not that an explanation matters. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 03:11, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
::No, it's just5 that it seems awkward ot explain why we are still getting christmas trees in the middle of spring thats all: and we might wanna get a explanation, or kevan could take them out in a mini-update.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 2 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Where to suggest technical issues? ==<br />
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I have gathered [[User:Tumu/GameTech|a list of technical issues]] which might need a look (as they have been unfixed since 2007), but they don't exactly fit the bug reports page either (not user visible/annoying issues). Would this be more appropriate place to get a review for them? --[[User:Tumu|Tumu]] 09:26, 25 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:They do seem unlike those that go to [[Bug Reports]], but I think the best place ''would'' be to take them there. I'm only suggesting that however because no one else has given you any direction, and I apoligise for that. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:57, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Noted; there do seem to be a few weird oversights in there. Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:14, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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::Speaking of weird things, is it intentional for Flesh Rotters to get the benefits while alive? I'd have thought that since they were alive, their flesh wasn't rotting, so they wouldn't get the Flak+Body Building effects while alive. I'd like to know, because I'm going to make a suggestion to have it that way if its current effect is intended. if it's not intended, then this can be moved to Bug Reports. Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:41, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Bub's in danger! ==<br />
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Just so you know, a page dedicated to your character [[Bub]] is up for deletion. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:51, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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Yeah kevan please come and save that great page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:20, 29 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== A few things ==<br />
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Firstly, about that MediaWiki upgrade. Sorry if I'm pestering you, it's just that it would be quite useful (an upgrade to Checkuser would be nice as well, I've seen screenshots of a later version and it looks like it streamlines the process a little.)<br />
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Secondly, a user asked me the other day (a few weeks ago) about a problem he was having in my chatbox:<br />
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{{Quote|VI|Link, I need haaaaalp! I'm trying to make a shoutbox, here. The problem: when I, to get rid of the horizontal scrollbar, use "overflo*w:auto" instead of "overflow:scroll" the wiki's spam filter won't let me use that code. I don't know if you can edit the spamfilter (I'm wiki illiterate), but do you know how I can fix this? Thanks a ton. VI 22:05, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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I confirmed it myself, and wrote<br />
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{{Quote|Linkthewindow|Hmm... that's really odd. I can't edit the spam filter (at least not what I know of,) but I need to as Kevan about something {*cough*MediaWiki upgrade*cough*) so I'll ask him then. For future reference, I'll need this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features page]. Linkthewindow Talk 22:29, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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Finally, and on a pedantic note, would it be okay if you could turn the Guides namespace into a proper one? So [[Talk:Guides:Shelter]] is rendered as Guides talk:Shelter. As far as I know, there are a few in the Guide: namespace too, so we'll have some moving to do if this is done (sysops, of course.)<br />
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Thanks for your time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:58, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:I second this nudge.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:03, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:"over<nowiki></nowiki>flow:auto" is a standard spambot trick for hiding all their links in a 1px div, which I think we were having trouble with a few years ago. The filtering is possibly hardcoded somewhere.<br />
:If there's general support for another namespace, point me at the discussion and I'll add it.<br />
:Updating MediaWiki is on the list, but below "update the actual game" at the moment. I'll fit it in when I can. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:12, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Okay, then thanks. It's not a big deal about the spam filter, I'll start a discussion at [[Talk:Guides]] (although I can't see it being a big deal) and thanks about the upgrade. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:15, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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Kevan will doo it! Also, happy very belated birthday (13 May?) assuming your Amazon wishlist is correct!<tt>:D</tt> --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:24, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Oh, and don't [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|forget about this]] <tt>;)</tt>. And happy belated birthday! Only one month late. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:24, 4 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Suggesting Suggestions Change ==<br />
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I want your opinion on a proposed change I have to the Suggestions Layout. I’d think it would be more efficient to have a normal suggestions area, a clothing suggestions area, and a humorous suggestions area, all with links listed one after the other on the main voting page. I also see the humorous suggestions layout is a bit confusing, and I would recommend splitting it into 2 parts, the funny and the non-funny, then splitting it into the many categories (areas of effect) under each heading. I’d also ask if the humorous suggestions voting process would become something similar to the normal process, with each suggestion open for 2 weeks, but no SPAM votes (just FUNNY or NOT FUNNY). Would this be a viable option? I’d think the layout changes should at least make it easier to find and view them all.<br />
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I would also like to know if there’s a process for suggesting that certain stuff be added to the Frequently Suggested section on the main voting area. There seem to be some common ones I’d like to have added to the list.<br />
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I also have a question about the normal voting process that only you can answer. Does SPAM=STRONG KILL? I see it’s still a common issue today, and it’s still debated if you can vote SPAM for a strong kill, or only vote SPAM if a suggestion is game-breaking or horribly unnecessary. Also, could you check the voting guidelines section and make sure it matches whatever your decision is? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:46, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:In too many years of wasted time here I don't recal Kevan ever directly commenting on suggestions (or indeed much of anything else) so I doubt he is going to start now. Personally I wouldn't worry about where a suggestion heads just so long as its not unjustly '''SPAMMED''' and that's pretty rare. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:51, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::He does things every once in a while, when it actually requires his attention. Normally his hands off approach works pretty well because we manage to handle everyhting.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:58, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Okay, well, what are your takes on this then?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 18:11, 23 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Huge Ruin bug could leave the whole of [[Borehamwood]] caded in less than a month. ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, <br />
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Wednesday night a member of my borehamwood survivor group did a very large suicide repair, when he logged himself back on, he found he had 50ap and the building was repaired.<br />
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Thursday night, I attempted my own suicide repair and yet again the same thing happened.<br />
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We've done a lot of suicide repairs and as such we know that these were the highest repairs we have attempted. And they both worked. To check our findings, we asked another survivor to repeat the experiment, to confirm our spadework was correct. <br />
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It was. Not only that, but this survivor was able to enact the repair, recade the building to ehb and then enact ANOTHER suicide repair, which left them BACK on 50ap. In fact the survivor managed to repeat this 6 times. With one character. In one day. Before the 300 IP for one character kicked in. <br />
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At this time 4 of us survivors know the exact technique, but at least 10 others are pretty close to working it out (AP levels etc). I reckon by sunday all 51 survivors will have worked it out.<br />
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As it stands the whole challenge of surviving borehamwood is moot. We can't do coma repairs on 99% of buildings without this happening, and Im not expecting zeds to hang around with this giant loophole. It also destroys the smugness us survivors have from surviving for 6 months. <br />
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All 4 survivors who do know the trick have currently stopped repairing buildings within the range, but I can't control the whole population.<br />
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At the minute survivors could repair the whole of NE Borehamwood, Radlett or Elstree in a day, 1 survivor could reclaim the big brother house on their own, <br />
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Apologies for the lack of screenshots, but with permadeath as it is, we don't want to give away our position. <br />
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It seems to be a dupe of the following case on bug reports. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Bug_Reports#Massively_negative_AP_causes_AP_reset<br />
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Apologies for posting it here, but I felt the game breaking nature of this bug warrants the intrusion. Let me know if you need more details. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Thanks. Building repair has now been temporarily disabled in Borehamwood and Monroeville, while this is fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:46, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::When you say massive repair, do you mean it's bringing you to under -255 AP? I could think of some weird wrapping thing happening when the AP gets too negative and it tries to make it positive or something, capping at the 50 AP norm. 255's the magic number for how large a single byte can represent. It's may have something to do with what type of data Kevin's storing AP with - integer, double, float, etc. (whoo edit conflicted by Kevan) --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:49, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::The cutoff point (Now its banned) is -150ap Any suicide repair that takes you below this value creates the reset. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::::Very strange... -150 to 50 is a range of 200, nothing particularly significant. Then again, I have no idea how Kevan coded AP regen. Now the big repair costs have come back to bite in an ironic kind of way, eh? :P --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:53, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Its quite a wide range. Theres probably been only a handful of such building in Malton's history. Borehamwood has a whole cities worth. If it takes a while kev can we have an amnesty in the cities? Those pesky zeds are always chewing on our cades. I wouldn't mind but I've only got one life. :).--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:55, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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:This bug has now been fixed, and repairs have been enabled again in the other two cities. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:08, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Thanks Kevan! Swiftly done I must say. May all your future updates be bug free.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:10, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Twenty minutes... I'm hella impressed. Thanks for fixing this. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 17:18, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Wut? But half way up are the oldest posts, then they go up, then they go down... Thsi page is confusing ...--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Pointless [[Borehamwood]] request == <br />
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Can we have a public broadcasting system too? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:57, 3 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks for updating ==<br />
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Just wanted to say thanks for updating the game, I realize it's probably not high on your list of priorities. I'm sure everyone who plays appreciates it. --[[User:Mike411|Mike411]] 00:25, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
: Same here, Thanks Kev --[[User:Imthatguy|Imthatguy]] 04:41, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|This bug]] ==<br />
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As promised, I'm just giving you a heads up regarding [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|this display error]] that happens when UDToolbar interacts with the new update. We suspected it was a clash between the UDToolbar's manual HP colouriser and the new update colouriser, and Moonshine was able to go through some code to try and give you a hand. You may have already seen it, but hopefully what Moonshine and others have done can help you. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 14:27, 6 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Grammar Error==<br />
Just so you know, there's a grammatical error in the Fort Transmitter broadcast message:<br />
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''You broadcast [message] on 25.97 MHz, the using the fort's secure channel.''<br />
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It isn't going to break the game or anything, but it does make it look a little... 'sloppy'. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 21:54, 5 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:There is a page to report these [[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead|here]]. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<big><u><span style="color:DarkSlateGray">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkBlue ">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkSlateBlue">ℜ</span></u></big>]] 03:30, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:18, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Open Discussion/Borehamwood How Was It For You?]] ==<br />
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Community opinions on Borehamwood Collected in one place. Hope it helps with future projects. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:07, 13 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Something that might give you a laugh... ==<br />
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Here I was bored and tired so I wrote this, I thought it might be funny and I think you may find it even more so given it's nature, [[Developing_Suggestions#TUCOK_-BBHHN-_.28The_United_Churches_Of_Kevan.29_-Blessed_be_his_holy_name- (The United Churches Of Kevan) -Blessed be his holy name-]] -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 09:16, 24 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Upgrading the wiki again ==<br />
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It's about that time of year. The wiki could use an upgrade, among the various features mentioned many times in the past that upgrading to a more up to date mediawiki version would provide as of [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] there is now a NewUsers log, which would be invaluable for catching throw away and vandal alt accounts like [[User:Izumi]] and [[User:3pwv]] used to use along with actually making user efforts to be welcoming like [[Welcomenewbie]] accountable and possibly useful. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] also brought in the ability to view deleted user contributions(instead of just the current ones) for sysops, the ability to omit diffs after rollback, and a fix at least one particularly exploitable checkuser bug that would allow users to screw with the ability for sysops to search the logs.<br /><br />I'd mention some of the features in previous version updates but I'm sure by now you're pretty well aware of them as it's been brought up many times in the past. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14], though, would significantly increase the ability for sysops to do their jobs when dealing with actual page vandalism and adbot spam along with helping the wiki, in general, run more smoothly from day to day.<small>([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.15 1.15])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.13 1.13])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.12 1.12])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.11 1.11])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.10 1.10])</small>--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:40, 1 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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== FYI re: "satellite phone" ==<br />
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Hi. So I recently wrote a Greasemonkey script that adds a "satellite phone" to the game. It's a simple messaging system with a user interface that embeds itself into the game, by modifying the rendered page in the user's browser, as Greasemonkey does. The thing does resemble the in-game mobile phone quite a lot, by design. Here's [[DSS Satellite Phone|more info]].<br />
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This was discussed in Brainstock [http://s1.zetaboards.com/brainstock/topic/2220895/], and some people complained about it. It was said that this unbalances the game, "overpowers" a game item, bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages. This wasn't a general opinion--I certainly find it all a bit silly--but someone then suggested that what should be done would be reporting it to you, letting you decide if this extension is improper somehow.<br />
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I thought that was sensible, so I'm "reporting myself," in a way. Just posting it here as an FYI, so you are aware of this. Cheers. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 09:15, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:Sounds like the same kinda nonsense that would see forums done away with for everyone that isn't a survivor. That thread reads very much like the person who started it did so with that intent in mind. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:00, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:: Hey that was me! I started that thread, you can clearly see my name :-( , I just started it as someone mentioned it in game and I was wondering about peoples views on it thats all.---[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 06:35, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::karek i have ''no'' idea what you're talking about whatsoever.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:18, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::''"bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages"'', the whole thread cited is mostly a few people complaining because they don't like metagaming, not particularly even regarding the tool in question. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:19, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::That being said, email tends to get a better response rate/time from him depending on the title/content/sender. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:24, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Right, cheers Karek. Thing is, I'm not really expecting a response, and I'm not comfortable spamming his mailbox with this. I really do think this is all rather silly. I'm sure the game will survive my script long enough for him to read this at his convenience here. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 06:14, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::From the sounds of it, it's just a script that facilitates metagaming. Like using MSN, or as we do, IRC... except done in-game. There's nothing zerg-tastic about it, nor does it collect data in ways that might be perceived as unfair, like DEMON or UDBrain. There's no reason to worry about what some git on Brainstock said (and BS is chock full of gits...), don't sweat it --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:20, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::::Wonder what they say about us :*( --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 07:15, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::::They don't think about us, because they're not aware we exist. Most BSers really aren't too aware that there's a whole big world of UD players outside their little board. Well, ok, I think many are vaguely aware that zombies have this forum called bar-something-dot-something. And I think most of them are aware of the DEM subgroup called Red Rum; but this subgroup was created to give the appearance of in-game competition, to get around Malton's strong antitrust laws, so it basically counts as part of their self-enclosed milieu. Finally, many of them have used the wiki, but none of them will ever admit it, it's ''that'' taboo a subject. But other than that, to BSers, there is little other than BS. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:25, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Hello Kevan. No one pestering you on this page for over a month? Crazy. Just wondering if you were planning anything for [[Borehamwood]]'s big first birthday? Its only 2 days away after all........--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I know! Blow it up! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Nuke the Big Brother House! Finally, some reality TV worth watching. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Or halve the size of monroeville everyday. No one would suspect that! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::-Let alone notice it. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 02:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Kill anything and everything in Malton. That would be a TRUE surprise.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'd be interested to see if survivors could recover. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 05:29, 27 October 2009 (BST)<br />
::Of course we could! It would take about two weeks, but we could easily do it. If you wan;t ill explain on a talk page other than the big bosses. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Tommy guns. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Halloween update timestamps ==<br />
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Seem to be missing on the new kill messages [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/11-01-09_0100hrs_PRIVATE/IN_62-14__954-071-ba1.html example] also confirmed broken without any extensions/scripts {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 02:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I realise this may very well be a feature of the halloween event but with the changing of the kill messages the missing timestamps are a bit strange, just making sure you're aware {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 04:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, it's not just a lack of timestamps. I've noticed that all of the ones that lack timestamps are also for people that are not at my location. For instance, in [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Anubis_IV/urbandead/halloween_change_bug.png this screenshot], the ones with timestamps are for people actually at my location, while none of the ones without them were people at my location (there were more actions under those, but they all had timestamps and were for people at my location). It's also interesting that some of the groups of events that took place repeat themselves a few times, and that "to talk" showed up as a contact of mine, despite the fact that he isn't. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::<s>i'm guessing it's part of the halloween event thingy, i thought the implementation of the weapon name killings screwed up because there's no period or timestamp following but now i think about it it actually makes sense to neglect them if you're going to mass fake kill people... OHEY IS THAT SOMETHING SHINY OVER THERE *runs* {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 06:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
:::This doesn't seem to be like april fools where everything is just a joke but rather quite the serious bug, they're actual events happening elsewhere in the city {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 11:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Fixed. Looks like there may have been some minor echoes from kills elsewhere in the city. It was a bug, but consider it an eerie halloween event. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Could I have a clarification, please? This bug didn't create events but some simply appeared in a different location from where they actually occurred. Correct? --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 12:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it was a bug, I can't be 100% sure. Don't kill anyone over it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::Awww, man... Alright, then! *grins* Fair enough! --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 05:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Question about Malton ==<br />
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Is Malton considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_borough metropolitan borough] and a city similar to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester Manchester] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool Liverpool] or is it considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_county metropolitan county] with each suburb being a metropolitan borough? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leave it to Akule to bring up a question like that. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I always thought of it as a city state. Like, I don't know, Monaco or something. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The same wiki that gives you the examples also gives the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malton,_North_Yorkshire answer]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::...yes, but I didn't think the fictional city of Malton was actually the real city of Malton. You know, based on the fact it is nothing [http://www.ryedale.co.uk/ryedale/malton/malton.html like it]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, there has been hints that it was based in England, but I was just curious to know how much of it was based on being located in England. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::You've never thought to know more about Malton? ;) --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::D'eh...MAYBE?!?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Borehamwood throws up even more questions, as being based on dead set IT IS based in england. Borehamwood has no gun stores in its shopping centres, and only 2 railway stations and supermarkets, so it would appear Malton IS somewhere different. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Strike time==<br />
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I am hearby requesting a striking of a ban from my vandal record as i have reached the requirements as per policy. I will be placing this request on an assortment of your peers talk pages so as to insure that this time, my striking isn't mysteriously postponed so as to further tarnish my record despite no wrong doing on my part. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 15:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Update-ah==<br />
So, what's the word on the updates being done to the wiki? Just making sure you don't forget ;) --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 18:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass >:| {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Are you in support of the Copenhagen Summit?==<br />
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Bascially I'm asking if we're having snow this year. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It's on its way. And I'm fairly comfortable with the carbon footprint of a zombie apocalypse. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers. I was wondered that the server itself was snowbound, swindon being as cold as it is. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Just realised how badly this might screw perma death survivors. Hmm. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Hmm. How long is '''temporary''' Kevan? How many hours do they take to fade? Also some of the fields in permadeath cities don't look that snowy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:17, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I can confirm this. Only one of the field colours has turned white.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's random, but averages to six hours. Fields should be fixed now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::The fields are fixed.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Any chance of bloody snow for outdoor deaths? --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 02:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::it exists check it out [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/12-22-09_2100hrs_PRIVATE/OUT_15-78__210-11a-044.html] "thick snow splashed with blood" "Blood <br />
soaks into the snow." --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 02:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== urbandead.org ==<br />
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I presume you have probably seen this but it looks like a phishing site for peoples log in, just thought I inform you of it incase you want to take action.--[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 01:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
: If you check out the "revive que" there are [[MoB]] members as well as this gentlemen [[User:GasCandle]] who is banned from editing the wiki. I didn't dig much further into the "revive list" once I saw that gentlemen. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I looked a little further and the /whois looks made up http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.org which is why a few people have mentioned it might be a scam. --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 02:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::The person who created the suspicious website has changed it. If you want to see screenshots from before it was changed, or see his explanation, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Ripf22|the A/VB case]]. --{{User:Jasonjason/sig}} 22:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Spawning]]==<br />
Just finished writing an article on it. I have a question that I can't really find out from spadework. If there were no Necrotech's in Malton below Heavily Barricaded, where would new Necrotech Assistant's spawn?<br />
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Also, UD is still only copyrighted until 2009 and I discovered a grammatical error I posted on the relevant page. Thanks. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Typos fixed. Under the current code, NecroTech staff would just start on the streets somewhere. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 08:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers fearless leader. I wish you well with the April 1st update. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 08:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hey, lazybones! ==<br />
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When the fuck are you going to get around to fixing the Goddamn game? Love 'n' kisses --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 08:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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While you're at it, try to get urbandead popular again, the number of active characters is starting to drop below 20000, maybe it's time for some advertising, eh? --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Urban Dead might be popular if it wasn't such a broken game! What with the radical, nigh-unplayable imbalance that makes it utterly pointless to play a zombie. Oh, and that worthlessness carrying over to making it such a breeze to play a survivor. I mean there's absolutely no point in being a survivor when you can just stroll around the city without risking your neck. I mean even a large, dedicated horde of zombies (of which the game has, like, ''two'') can't hold back one tenth their number in survivors.<br />
:For a zombie apocalypse game, there are fuck all zombies and there is fuck all apocalypse. The only way anyone really has fun is either griefing or sitting around roleplaying all day. And who the fuck can grief properly when the game is a buggy, unfinished pile of shit that makes it literally impossible for one of the sides to win? Not to mention that if all you're doing in game is roleplaying, what's to stop you from just doing it on a forum? Oh wait, nothing whatsoever, which is why the fucking unofficial forums for this game have more action than the game itself.<br />
:Urban Dead is broken, Kevan shows no interest in even ''looking into'' the billions of problems it has, so you're better off closing your browser and playing Left 4 Dead or something. Y'know, that's the zombie apocalypse game where the survivors face a credible threat that can't simply be trounced by locking a door and pushing a vending machine in front of it. '''FIX THE FUCKING GAME.''' --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:38, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Have you chaps considered that you're horrifically ungrateful for a ''free'' game that's meant to be a 5 minute distraction? --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Some of us have actually given money to this game, by the way. It's not unheard of that people do pay for things online. If he removes the DONATE button then maybe we won't "have the right" to complain anymore, but until then I and others are paying customers wanting some damned customer service. But you keep that smug attitude because I'm sure it's helping you go far in life!--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not ungrateful, but I'd like to continue to play urbandead which I won't be able to do if the numbers of players keep dropping forcing Kevan to eventually pull the plug. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Well this "chap" thinks that if you're going to release something for public consumption, it shouldn't '''suck'''. The fact remains that the game is unbalanced, which makes it unfun. If, say, World of Warcraft made it so that the Horde had 1/10th the hit rate of the Alliance, Blizzard would be fucking crucified. Free or not, lousy design is lousy design. I'm not saying this out of ''entitlement'' or anything retarded like that, I am saying it as someone who wants to play the game without being gimped to fuck just because I want to be a zombie instead of a survivor. Of course, the alternative is for me (and the thousands of others who feel this way) to stop playing a game that is basically designed at the very basest level to screw us over. Then, WHOOPS! Goodbye donations and ad revenue! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 23:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I actually think that what 'ruined' the game (at least balance wise) was zombies... The very fact that they sucked to play forced people to either leave or organize, net result mega hordes that were basically unstoppable and forced buffs for survivors to give them a chance while making it even less rewarding to play a feral zed. To all intent and purpose this game has more sides than it was ever designed for. We have survivors and zombies but each of those are split into different play styles which the mechanics struggle to balance. Basically survivors are better at killing other survivors than zombies are and zombies often end up killing other zombies more than actual survivors. Hell, some survivors max out without even seeing a zombie and the game set-up makes it an unrewarding struggle to level a new character in a city full of veterans. At the end of the day I think this game needs to evolve before it dies.... New (short lifespan) cities are probably the best way forwards in my opinion because the early days with their actual struggle to survive against 'equals' are great fun, the sense of discovery of a new place also really adds spice too. But hey, too many people seem attached to their maxed characters that they hardly ever play anymore to even contemplate such a thing! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I think most of us will agree that ''something'' needs to be done, which is exactly what isn't happening or at least it seems that way. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Maybe fixing the '''ABYSMAL''' hit rates for zombies might help. I mean, ''supposedly'' I have a 30% chance of hitting with a bite attack against a given target for 1 AP. Now, I can easily spend (and have spent) 15 AP and only hit on that last, 15th attempt. What are the chances of this happening? Mathematically, you say it was (3/10)^15, or a 0.000001% chance. That isn't "bad luck", that goes beyond "bad luck" and into the realms of "your coding is so shitty if I saw it I would try to flush". There is actually more chance of me rolling the same number 10 times in a row on a regular six-sided die than there is of me missing that many attacks. But it happens, it happens frequently, and it's one of the billion reasons why this game needs a severe overhaul, and/or someone competent working on it. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 02:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::No one cares about your opinion. But is that why you've resorted to spamming Kevan rather than stick to your own 'zombie improvements' in your userspace; you realise no one cares anymore? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 02:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
Katthew actually makes some damn good points rather than resorting to ad hominem. [[Groove Theory]] would not be possible with a properly implemented RNG, but [[Bug Reports#Groove Theory is working again|oh, whoops]]! Also, Honestmistake, what game are ''you'' playing? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 10:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:These days? Mostly Bobwars (wigbl.com)... What exactly is it you don't agree with in my post though? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Sadly, I kinda agree with Honest, feral zombies have it extremely hard these days. They need to follow hordes around or just lay around and wait for destruction in their suburbs. Once the horde is gone though, their goes the bulk of your food. Its almost beneficial nowadays to be a killer or a survivor and thats it (assuming your not in a horde). --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 15:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Or just sit tight. Even a modest number of zeds can keep most buildings ruined. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I demand that the game be "fixed" so that those who can't get laid will have something to do before and after they masturbate! HELP THEM, KEVAN! You're their only hope... --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 17:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Well looky, a whole cluster fuck load of whining.<br />
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Want more people to play? Go and fucking recruit them yourselves. Don't ask Kevan to fork out even more from his own pocket so that your enjoyment of this free game is improved. You spend the money. You put the work in. Alternately you all could shut the fuck up.<br />
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Want some changes? The FAQ says quite clearly to put them through the suggestions system rather than whine here like a bunch of fucking fort dwellers. Want Kevan to build you your own city to your own ideas? He's done it before for distribution companies, just do the same thing they did. Pay the man. Kevan's a professional, pay him his hourly rate if you want something. You're entitled to shit for free. He's nice enough to continue to let the game be played for free, so let's say enough with the comparisons to the money gouging and spyware installing World of Warcrack. Ask the man nicely how much your own city would be, plus an hourly rate for any bugs that appear, plus a negotiated set figure of each major update. Then go have a bake sale, car wash or just start selling organs on the black market and give Kevan the money for the work you want him to do.<br />
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Put your money where your whining is. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Back when I was an admin and I moderated the Suggestions page with an '''IRON FIST''', it was still a worthless piece of shit. These days it is approximately fifty gajillion times more useless and shitty. Kevan doesn't read it any more than he reads any other section of this wiki, not even just because he's lazy as sin, but also because they're not worth reading. Also, I've already dragged people into this game. Maybe you remember [[The Dead]]? You know, the 10,000-strong superhorde that practically ''wrecked the entire fucking game?'' All me, bitch. I got that shit ''going''. Because unlike you, I am one proactive motherfucker who doesn't sit around doing shit-all.<br />
:So don't you fucking talk to me about recruiting people to play this game, you measly-mouthed little cumstain. I brought in more than you could possibly imagine with that withered rectum you call your brain. But hardly any of those people stayed around. Do you know why? Because '''''THEY GOT TIRED OF PLAYING A BROKEN PIECE OF SHIT GAME WHERE THEIR CHOSEN SIDE WAS DELIBERATELY NERFED AND FUCKED OVER AT EVERY CONCEIVABLE TURN.''''' That is what killed The Dead, you scurrilous prick-hungry cockholster - the fact the game '''sucks'''. We weren't beaten by any survivor group, we never even considered any survivor group to be more than the metaphorical bug on the windshield. Ten thousand zombies, motherfucker, and even with the ridiculously low hit rates, nonexistent RNG and inverse XP curve, we ruined your pathetic little world. If it hadn't been for all the flaws that UD has, driving away almost every single new player we drafted in, we'd have killed every last survivor in the city and turned it into a true zombie apocalypse.<br />
:So fuck you a million times up your gaping, cavernous asshole. I know what I'm talking about, and I know more about what ''you're'' talking about than you could ever hope to. Now sit the fuck down while the grown-ups have their chat, sweetie. We'll get you some crayons and glue, so you can cram them into your snotty orifices until you suffer fatal brain damage. Kiss kiss! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Awww, poor cutie, is it too much if someone disagrees with you? I see you missed the major point, given you're ''so'' proactive and have such a large group of minions, why haven't you rallied them to donate a sum of money so that you can pay Kevan to make the game that you believe is fair? It's a very simple question. Kevan works for money, as proven by Borehamwood and Monroeville, if you want a map with your 'improvements' incorporating then you have to provide the same incentive that two distribution companies already did. Shouldn't be hard, after all you are ''"one proactive motherfucker"''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::There are points on both sides, but Katthew wins for making me laugh more than Is's logic makes sense.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkTurquoise">Big</span>]][[User:Cyberbob240/Classifications|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> Cat</span>]] 08:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, what killed the Dead was all the whining survivors that couldn't handle a "zombie apocalypse" and needed the syringe find rate to be upped to almost 100%. But come on, Katthew, don't be a bitch. Little Issy's Mall Tour had what 300 zombies? Awwwww, that was the same number as the Central horde of the Dead. You know, back when it was winding down and most people wanted to be in the East or West coast Hordes. But, no, I'm sure he knows all about running big bad zombie hordes. I'd really like to know how much money The Dead generated for Kevan with ad revenue and people buying no IP limit. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Feeling left out DCC? Never mind, go create yourself a couple of new accounts to agree with yourself, that'll make you feel better. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Good gum, you're actually still whining. How clear does this have to be? '''Kevan doesn't owe you jackshit'''. It's a browser game that is '''free to play''' and pretty cool if you spend about 5-15 minutes on it. If you want a game that you can put all of your obsessive time into, then go ''buy'' one. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: As for the whole "I donated, so he '''owes''' me", the key is in the name; ''donation''. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Massively pointless question #95==<br />
The "Are you sure?" Messages received when you A) Attempt to buy brain rot, and B) Attempt to jump from a building. Do they count towards your IP hits? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm going to say yes to the first (as it reloads the map screen) and no to the second as it's on the skills screen. The IP hits total is only known to count on the map screen, not on skills, settings or profile screens. Unless Kevan says different. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::oh, and I demand another easter egg hunt. Perhaps with bunnies this time around. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:03, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If he gets a hunt for chocolate eggs I want a button that allows me to nail sanctimonious pricks to trees as it's a much older tradition for this time of year. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:19, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::''Iscariot makes sly comment about organised religion.'' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:08, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: I'd like to see zombies replaced with rabbits for a day. Stronger bite! EAR DAMAGE. Hop for 1AP --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Settling a bet==<br />
While you're here reading this, settle a bet for me, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARapture&diff=1683378&oldid=1683265 do you enjoy all the money that zergers provide you?] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:00, 30 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you're asking whether I give any leniency to players who've donated, when they've done something that would merit a character being disabled - no, I don't. Donation status doesn't factor into any of the alt-abuse or banning scripts. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:01, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::I think the players in question are working off the assumption that them having more characters means more views of the ads connected in the game and that equals more money for you. It wasn't meant to question your impartiality at all, just a question of economics when connected to the game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:35, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::No, this isn't a consideration when banning characters. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:08, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Game updates==<br />
I'm sure things are updated regularly, for maintance, ect.,.... things that wouldn't normally be reflected in the game updates. Just out of curiosity, what is the current status of the "Game Updates" though? I noticed there seems to be a lack of them here latly (not that it's a bad thing, or that I mind), it's just that I was curious as to your thoughts, and opinions on the subject.... -{{User:Poodle_of_doom/signiture}} 04:27, 7 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==April Fools?==<br />
A couple days before April Fools i was surfing the wiki and decided to look it up. The pranks there were hilarious! Especially the 2008/2009 ones. I couldn't wait to see what would come out next. But nothing happened and the wiki said you didn't do anything. Any specific reason? And yes i know Kevan is busy and yes i know we're thankful its a free game i'm just curious --{{User:Gt71/Sig}} 21:52, 27 April 2010<br />
:I was actually halfway through some other updates in late March, and decided against diverting any of that development time for an April Fool's joke. In the end, I didn't have time to put anything live - April's been busy, but I hope to get back to those main updates in the next week or so. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:37, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
::Excellent. Kevan, as you're here, with the perma death cities is it fair to assume all updates are carried over into all three citys? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:22, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Pretty much. If a mechanic would unduly unbalance remaining gameplay in the other cities I'd make them exempt from it, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:29, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hey Kevan==<br />
What's up? How are things in the real world? I haven't been around Urban Dead that often in the past few weeks, but it seems like little has changed... aside from the survivor/zombie ratio being the worst it's been in years, but that's besides the point. <br />
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On that note, would you happen to have an opinion on the "[[Escape]]" gathering in western Malton? <br />
Just thought I'd say hi, --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 07:36, 5 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Open Accounts==<br />
Currently, in Woodborne NT in Owsleybank, there are a few characters with names that make it blindingly obvious that they're open. Their names are [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1012934 mypasswordispassword], [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1743445 mypasswordispenis], and [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1367615 mypasswordishelpme]. Knowing your stance on open or communal accounts, I decided to bring them to your attention. --[[User:Shank Case|Shank Case]] 02:06, 25 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== June 1 ==<br />
It seems appropriate on this date of great expectation (Read that: ESCAPE) to reflect on a simple fact; I have taken many hours of pleasurable distraction from your game. I have enjoyed meeting people from around the world and the various schemes and factions they have created using your game as a springboard for their own creativity. While I live in New England, I have traveled to the other side of the globe and yet-I can honestly say I "know" more people around the world as a result of this little game then in all those thousands of miles of travel. So while I have "contributed" it would seem at least good manners to say thank you for what you have done. I have only been playing for close to a year, and I hear many folks voicing opinions about the "state of the game". I just thought it might be appropriate to suggest that the reason they feel so strongly about it is because it is a flexible well designed system that has added millions of hours of gaming to people worldwide. So, thanks for your efforts and creativity.--[[User:Belisarius17|Belisarius17]] 04:50, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Nudge ==<br />
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That pre April updates taking its time now. The anticipation is killing me. There's some discussion going on about changes to Monroeville. Is it something you would consider, or as it was sponsored by others are your hands tied about what you can do with it? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:57, 26 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:Well UD's 5th birthday is coming up on July 3rd, we can cross our fingers and hope it's the update we've been waiting for. I hope it's another Easter Egg hunt, but with potatoes! -- [[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 07:27, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
::my paper hat is a bit battered. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:49, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Happy Birthday! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:51, 3 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Update me already.... :) -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:32, 9 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Radio Filter ==<br />
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Apparently, the radio filter also affects the military channel (25.96MHz). There any way to disable it on this station? {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 19:46, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:Teehee. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:48, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Muhahahahaha. Is it [[The Mycock Building|Mycock]] ? shits so [[ALiM]]. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::ps wtf is this radio filter and where did it come from? user made or kevan made? etc etc{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:39, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If you broadcast something vulgar, it will replace the word with *static*. It's been this way since the introduction of radios. The problem is that many buildings contain the word cock, and thus can't be broadcast. It's been brought up before, but they didn't mention the EMR channel. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 06:51, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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Epic design flaw fail! If only Kevan didn't have such a dirty mind! --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 11:17, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Offensive in-game names? ==<br />
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Are there any rules re what one can name their character? Are there not ''any'' limits? I recently ran into NIGGERHATER88 (yes, all capitalization - that's a copy/paste) and they're not a new character by any means - really? Really?! --[[User:Swingin' Sam|Swingin&#39; Sam]] 19:00, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you don't like someone, kill them. It shuts them up in real life, why wouldn't it work here? --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 19:07, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:fuck off it's a free game suck it the fuck off or go play wow. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:10, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Just for your information, 88 means HH — the Hitler salute. This guy is definitely a Neo-Nazi.<br />
::If Kevan isn't going to ban him, then killing him is the way to go. Just treat him like a [[Ignore List|text rapist]]. I'm against PKing in general, but such despicable people deserve it.<br />
::And the above poster could benefit from [[Civility]] as well. -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 22:04, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I just love you militant anti-nazi types. You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs ''is fascism itself''. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means ''allowing'' people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:12, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Or more likely, he's simply a troll. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, for the reasons Mis outlined. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:17, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::^ --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 00:18, 21 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::<3 mis. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:48, 22 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Deadline ==<br />
[[Image:Emot-argh.gif|100px]] --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:22, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:{{Quote|Buzz Lightyear|You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.}}<br />
:[[Big Bash 3|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-size: 80%">&hearts;</span>]] [[User:MoonShine|<span style="color:Black">'''Moonie'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:MoonShine|Talk]] | [[User:MoonShine/Testimonials|Testimonials]]</sup></small> 12:51, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::<span title="He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's pro-zombie, as it obviously needs to be.">I disagree. He can take as long as he wants. He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's fair and balanced.</span> --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 20:20, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Two Months later, Kevan responds by implementing [[20070314_Zombie_Rocket_Launchers|Zombie Bazookas]].--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 20:31, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Noes! Still, I don't think working with a deadline is a good idea if your not going to keep it. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:39, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::He must have had a problem coding [[Suggestion:20100616 Binocular Sniping|Binocular Sniping]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:40, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hate\Race based groups ==<br />
What are your views on Urban Dead being used by Hate groups ?<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Combat_18<br />
With the user using imagery in attempt to bring race into the game. Eg: <br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Cornholioo<br />
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I don't this is the actual RL group, just some pathetic little teen with anger issues. But still ? Should we look forward to the arrival of the KKK. Al Queda(?), Black Power, Mongrel Mob and the Care Bears ?<br />
--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 20:36, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Look just two headers above this. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::Why ? - this isn't about offensive names in-game as I email those to Kevan. Its about losers spewing their race\religion hate in the wiki thinking that they have the "right to". Didnt some of pH get banned for the 9\11 phased crap in game ?<br />
:From what I gathered of the YouTube video Cornholioo posted, it does look like Combat 18 is an actual, real life neo-Nazi group. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:15, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::They are. There was an old Louis Theroux doc on them. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:17, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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Shall I make the Red Hand Commando's\Real IRA\Al Qeada pages now then and target any British\US based group ?--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:04, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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{{Quote|Misanthropy|You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs is fascism itself. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means allowing people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose.}}<br />
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::::Jesus its like talking to school children. This isn't real life, this isnt a political arena, people have no politcal rights here. This is a game and what Kevan says gos.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:10, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::Yes it is like talking to school children. In five years has anyone ever been banned for anything other than zerging? No. Not once. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:16, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::This isn't about ingame characters (Also back in 05 I beleive offensive names were also nuked) this is about the wiki policy on HateGroups. The wiki is different to ingame as a user can contact any group or individual in a split second? and post there hate imagery\text on any page. Yet there is no policy only the rustling of paper under the false pretence any user here actually has any rights at all.. --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:29, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::If it's about the wiki then you'll get nowhere, there's not a single sysop corrupt enough to ban users/groups based solely on their beliefs. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:32, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Well obviously thats why I'm posting here as this isn't real life so a users beliefs don't come into it, but what they post on wiki pages. Being non-white I take offense at that and the wiki administartion deosnt appear willing to act --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:44, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::We are not going to act. We're not going to ban groups based on content. [[Columbine Kids]], [[Nazi Party of Malton]], etc, etc, have not been banned, nor will this one. Yes it is offensive to people. So is the insult "faggot" but nothing has ever been done about its usage, nor about a million and one percieved wrongs. All you have to do is simply ignore the one sole user causing your offense, and he's liable to end up getting himself banned anyway, or he'll wander off due to not being given the attention he craves. Asking for the rules to be different for one group of users than for another is just wrong. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:49, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm asking for Kevans opmnion , not yours otherwise I would have posted on your talk page.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:51, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::As much as we'd all love to see less hate here,... you're arguing against one of the wiki janitors,... you know, the guys who take care of this place on Kevan's behalf... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:55, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::Yes I have seen the sterling work you perform on his behalf, however I dont think there is a difference between a) banning a user ouright (Where race hate has no place in a simple game(not real life)) and b)Or saying he id allowed his views but then have wiki administrators trolling the user with a view to entrapping him into a rant, thus leading him to his ban. I would have thought a janitors role was to be impartial and not provoke a user knowing how he will react--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 09:56, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::I agree with some of your sentiments and I understand your concern about some of the ops and their behaviour going against a role model status on the wiki- but situations like this only prove that a sysop- janitor as you say- is exactly that- a regular user with the buttons only given to those entrusted not to misuse it- it's been a long lost fact to this wiki that sysops are still regular users, and should behave as such, which is why using sysop status as a symbol of authority over another user is serious misconduct. Do I give Cornholioo a hard time? For sure, but that's not so I can just go to A/VB and force his banning- I abstain from conflict of interest situations such as his recent banning because I know that following through my pestering actions with bias as a mod is abuse. The ops aren't specifically here to be looked up to, although I still understand where you're coming from and I partially agree that Cornholioo is getting a hard time compared to any other user in terms of sysop bias. I do think it's a shame this perceived bias is being overlooked by the community just because of the user in question. I was surprised the amount of ops who said yes to his permaban, and it's worth noting that the sysops who pester and bait him the most were the ones who voted no to the perma. Typically a perma is only for someone who is literally just trying to break the wiki on a regular basis, not someone who gets baited weekly, and if that was your assessment of the vote I agree with you. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:30, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Invitation==<br />
{{RIAC Invitation}}<br><br />
You know you want to find a group and join.... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:57, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mediawiki Update (2) ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, just to let you know [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Update the Wiki Software (2)|this policy]] requesting a mediawiki has been passed. It asks if you can go up to 1.15.4 but the newest version (which came out while this went voting) is 1.16.0 and if you could find some time to upgrade that would be awesome. =) Thanks from us all. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:25, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Another note that image undeletion is enabled by default on the new software. Enabling image undeletion will increase disk usage (as "deleted" images won't really be deleted, but hidden,) so you might want to consider disabling it and keeping the status quo. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:12, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Virus Advertisement ==<br />
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Um... Kevan, I'm not sure if it's your concern, but one of the advertisements in the UD log-in screen is probably a hacking scam.<br />
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The advertisement, for a game called "Slum City Enforcer" lead to this link http://www.iwon.com/dl/index.jhtml?theme=slumcity2&partner=ZLxdm256&spu=true&sub_id=1579&clickid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000&ce_cid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000<br />
When I clicked on Play Now for the game, it tried to download a trojan, which my anti-virus caught. <br />
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I really hope you can block this bad ad from Urban Dead. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 03:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If I'm not mistaken, the UD site, and wiki, tend to make use of Google Ads,... which help generate profit for the site. That said, there is very little Kevan could probably do about it, aside from removing the ads themselves. That said,... that would be counter productive. I hope Kevan gets back to you though.... He probably knows more about it than what I do. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 04:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:: It is based on google advertisement, I used to get so much stuff for Umbrella's when I was in Umbrella and then UBCS. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 06:00, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::The last time we were hit with malicious ads (The urbandead.org phishing site bought out the wiki sidebar) an administrator contacted the ad agency and had them remove the ads. If you're sure that this is a malicious link, file a report with [http://www.google.com/ads/adwords/ Google Ads]. You've experienced what happened, so you're best suited to explain why this is a bad link.<br />
:::Also, I spammed refresh on one of the screens that displayed ads, and this site never came up. There's a chance it's already been reported and/or expired. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 06:57, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::[http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/iwon.com/summary/ McAfee seem to think it's okay], for a debatable value of "okay", but I've blocked it from my sites on the off-chance. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:34, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: Thank you Kevan! You're awesome. --[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 23:25, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==<s>Early August</s> Mid August.==<br />
That is all. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:30, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:The more you bug him, the more he'll put it off!!! You're tiring him! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:32, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::It takes 5AP to read his talk page, and a game update is like a 500AP suicide repair.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:33, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Brilliant man.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:45, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Pretty sure I just fucking jizzed -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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/thread -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Because I can't think of another place to put it ==<br />
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I am formally lodging a complaint that this game, the city of malton and this wiki, have a decidedly and unfair British/English/insert other term Bias in terms of names, time, spelling, ect.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:19, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If the fact that Kevan, the servers, and the town Malton are all based in england, counts as "unfair", then I guess you're right!!! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 01:22, 18 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::I have other ''Complaints'' as well but they are trivial or realistic mostly. And yes that is the exact problem, we should remedy this somehow.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:24, 18 August 2010 (BST)</div>Mikalos209https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=1761028User talk:Kevan2010-08-18T00:19:28Z<p>Mikalos209: Because I can't think of anoither place to put it</p>
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==Three Minutes...==<br />
...Since anyone last commented you on here. Very upsetting. How's everything going with the game? Is everything good?--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:What are you talking about? Scroll down to the bottom, haha. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:42, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:You're a funny one. Also, the page's confusing because Kevan doesn't state to put new stuff at the bottom or top, unfortunately, so people go with wherever their own preference is. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 21:59, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::I tend to look for a trend. Unfortunately, it turns out that the trend i followed only applied for the two posts i read.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 20:06, 13 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville Badges==<br />
Just so you know there are survivors (although very few) that are still roaming around in Monroeville. It would be nice if you could give some kind of emblematic badge of appreciation for the few that made it this far. I hope thats not asking too much, but for staying alive this long its quiet a feat to accomplish and deserves some kind of reward.<br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 02:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Monroeville Airlift==<br />
Hi Kevan,<br />
I am one of the few remaining survivors in Monroeville. With the Christmas update being implemented, I was curious to know if I set up a Christmas tree and some lights in a building for a few days, would a Helicopter come by and take my character to Malton? I don't want to do something in vain that could end up killing my character that has survived for ten months... <br />
--[[User:Evildiehard|Evildiehard]] 06:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:hey Evildiehard, i'm The Last Unlucky Guy, we were in harvey's group together, i like that idea, can i get in on it too? Getting my character out of Monroeville would be great, i've grown too attached to him and if i got killed, especially after going solo, and survivng for this time, it would really suck :( --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==clothing suggestions==<br />
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Hi, long time no see. I've got another question about clothing. I see that you haven't implemented any new clothing for almost a year and the pages in question are receiving little to no traffic. Are you still in need of new Clothing ideas [[Clothes/Suggestions|Suggestions]] or can I close the page and move everything into their relevant archives?--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Will donate for awesome clothing ==<br />
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Basically, I was just wondering that if I donated $50AU or something, that maybe you might code in some blood-proof clothing, just for moi? I mean, it's a decent chunk of funds as all... --{{User:Medico/sig}} 01:30, 26 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Broken Wiki page ==<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1271116&oldid=1270525<br />
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The page I want is the last edit that I made for if, and I have no idea what went wrong. Someone directed me here... --<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span></font><sup> [[User_talk:Haliman111|T]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 00:44, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Iwitness typo==<br />
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Got really bored, and noticed there was a typo.<br />
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"What does it mean if a record is PUBLIC or PRIVATE?<br />
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Public records are just that- anybody can (if they take the time to look) find them and look at the information they contain. Private records are hidden in directories whose contents are not open to the public view, and the random number string appended to the end of the file name makes it impossible for anybody to find them through luck or accident. "Private" records are in fact so hard to locate that if you don't record their location, '''you'll never them again'''. That's OK when you just want to share a quick secret with some friends in a private chat room or secure forum, though- just copy the link and paste it somewhere you and you friends can find it, but others will not see it!<br />
User accounts do provide a way to retrieve all of the private records a user creates while logged into that account, so while still quite private, they are not going to vanish. User accounts also potentially allow for other levels of security; all of these are essentially private records that only certain people can see, or which do not display all of the details of the record in order to protect the privacy and safety of "innocent bystanders". <br />
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http://www.urbandead.info/iwitness/iwitness_FAQ.php#security<br />
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--<font face="arial black"><span style="background-color:#000000; border: 1px solid red">[[User:Haliman111|<span style="color:White">/\'''Haliman'''/\</span>]]</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Haliman111|<span style="color:Blue">T</span>]] | [[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup></font> 15:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Check your talk page, {{usr|Haliman111}}. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 01:36, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Suicide Repair ==<br />
Most of the time it isn't easy to let a building reach the higher levels of decay and takes the effort of multiply zombie players. Lately as more buildings reach higher level of decay we see a raise in suicide repairs. Where survivors just spent all their AP and more to repair a long time ruined building and prepare to get eaten and revived. If suicide repairing was not what you where going for with the implemention of decay, please consider changes like: <br />
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a)Make it impossible to spent more AP on repairing than are left to this character, and probably setting a cap at 45AP as a maximum for decay. <br />
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or b)Repair only removes some part of the decay level and not all at once. Probably like tearing down barricades.<br />
--[[User:Experiment211|Experiment211]] 21:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I second option B. Option A could be exploited by people who wait until they have 2 or 3 AP left before running in to repair for 1 or 2 AP. B makes a lot of sense, I think. --[[User:Drugsanimudongs|Drugsanimudongs]] 17:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Errr... I read your suggestion wrong, Experiment211. Ignore my exploit theory! I still support B, though.<br />
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== Database error on the wiki ==<br />
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I have been getting the following message after making edits: <br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry '20534' for key 1 (localhost)".<br />
Retrieved from "http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category_talk:Historical_Groups"<br />
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The edits seem to be working, however. This bug just took place twice on the Historical Groups Talk/Voting page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:13, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I just got one on the same page. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ditto. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:06, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Happened to me too today.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:57, 25 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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Is also appearing when searching brain rot in the Suggestions and Talk Suggestions namespaces.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Erg. I've had some server trouble lately, I'll take a look at it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:21, 27 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yesterday it was still doing this... It's rare as of late, it seems-- it was happening with almost every edit for a bit there -- but it *did* happen yesterday again.... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]]<br />
:::Just hit the same after searching for brain in images. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:21, 3 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I've repaired the database, it should be okay now. Let me know if any error messages still creep through, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==A Little Idea for Group Affiliations==<br />
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I've had an idea and would like to submit it for your consideration. Would it be possible to add in the option of a URL link added to a player's group affiliation, a la the current system with the 'Real Name' links? This would be very useful for players looking to join a group and for groups looking to recruit players, especially zombie groups who lack the ability to spray-paint places without death-culting. Whilst the RN link is used by some, myself included, for recruitment, more likely than not the majority will simply not bother clicking it after the first few times they have done that on a profile have taken them to YouTube songs or Rick-rolls. A link under the group affiliation would draw more desirable attention. <br />
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There are two ways in which I could see this working: The first is to have the group affiliation act in the same way as the Real Life link, with the player choosing the URL; the second would be to have the GA act as the list of confirmed groups on the stats page does: An automatic link to the wiki page of said confirmed group. My personal belief is that the latter would be the superior option, so as to avoid abuse via unsavoury links which would undermine trust in the system (this is of course going under the assumption that you have a system which makes the links appear automatically on the stats page, rather than having to add them all in yourself of course).<br />
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Just my thought for the early morning. <br />
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Regards. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 04:37, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Please make your suggestions here: [[:Category:Current Suggestions]]. Seriously Moloch, you have been around long enough to know how suggestions are handled. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 04:40, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::FWIW, my personal version of 'ActOnProfile' already modifies the group name to be a link to the wiki page for that group. Its pretty handy, even if just to find out the group has no page. A fancier GM script could easily determine if the page actually exists, and not make it a link if it doesn't, which would be nice. Server side code could likely do the same thing better. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:02, 4 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Copyright question ==<br />
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after playing Urban dead I had an idea making it into a warcraft 3 map and before I release 1: may I release a map made by maps and the same idea of urban dead and with its name/s 2: are there any requires you want? for example I could advertise for the site every 5 mins(I can have the map do that for me)I have all ready given credit to Urban dead and if you want I can give direct credit to you also<small>—The preceding {{wikipedia|Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages|unsigned}} comment was added by [[User:Undeadpope|Undeadpope]] ([[User talk:Undeadpope|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Undeadpope|contribs]]) 23:42, 6 August 2008.</small><br />
:l2english.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:34, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:If it's clearly presented as an unofficial fan project, and isn't making any money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:51, 7 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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==IP hits and construction==<br />
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If I repair a badly damaged building (15ap etc.) Is that one IP hit or 15? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:32, 9 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'd be one. it's a measure of how many times you refresh the map page not ap. The only exception (as far as i'm aware) is syringe manufacture which is 20.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I thought i was getting more than my regular action. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:32, 10 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Is that confirmed or just a guess?--<span style="cursor:crosshair">Kooks</span> 22:50, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::It's certainly incorrect. I repaired a building costing 134ap and still had more than enough IP hits to play my other characters.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Monroeville and headshot==<br />
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All the high level survivors I know (about 30) have been holding out for the return of perma-death headshot with the quarantine. I see the quarantine is back, but everything still says that headshot is not permanent. Is this the case? If you're not bringing it back then you might as well close down the server or at least tell us officially. Because as currently constituted only one side can win, and though we could probably prolong things indefinitely I fail to see the point.<br />
--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 03:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:I couldn't agree more with this post. Staying alive as a member of an organized group in Monroeville is possible but it takes a large amount of coordination and effort. I fail to see the "game" part of current Monroeville on the survivor side, something permanent headshot would bring to the table. If balance is an issue, I'm sure the zombie side would love to have non-curable Infectious Bite. --[[User:Calem|Calem]] 10:09, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::The evidence of the most recent opening of Monroeville suggests that it takes about 6 weeks for the city to go from totally survivor-dominated to totally destroyed with the survivors on the run and hiding in the wreckage. Therefore, it seems to me that the most fun and interesting way to do it would be to run Monroeville in cycles. Every five to six weeks or so switch the rules to give one side or the other the advantage. So, having now had an extened Zombie Friendly period of time, you allow the Survivors to have their turn for a month and a half with closed borders and "permanent" (until the next cycle) headshot. Then re-open it to new admissions with the usual "Zombies stand back up" rules for a month and a half, then close it again and so on and so forth. That way, both sides always have something to look forward to and there's always something to plan for. Frankly, this solution still favors the Zombies somewhat in that a dead Survivor still never gets a chance to come back to life, but its significantly more fair than the current situation where Survivors can never repair a building for more than a couple of days before getting buried under a tide of zombies. While that may accurately reflect the desperate conditions of the later Dead movies and some of the supporting fiction, its not much fun to be a Survivor under these circumstances, and this is a game. --[[User:jng2058|jng2058]] 12:54, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Agreed. Right now Monroeville is only a game of attrition with an inevitable (tedious) end. Maybe that's in keeping with Romero's cannon, but it puts survivors in an unwinnable position and leaves the zombies without enough challenge to stave off boredom. If the game's going to be left open, then since zombies are in the advantage right now (by 4:1) why not restore headshot and see what happens? [[User:CoopVancer|CoopVancer]] 21:34, 17 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Actually Coop- if you think about it- zombie take over isn't necessary canon in the zombie/post-apoc genre nor Romero canon, but merely an outcome of the core theme. What destroys the humans isn't the zombies, which are fairly weak, but their failure to overcome their individual self interest and cooperate. Restoring headshot would work now consistent with the canon. Headshot is something survivors learn with experience. At present, most of the survivors, don't have the XP to have headshot. <br />
::::: So I guess this is down to a test of wills then? Of humanity? How long can humans survive before break down, succumb to anarchy, or make a mistake and get eaten? '''We will not.''' Survivors will not descend into madness. We will survive under these horrible conditions! '''We will be ever vigilant!''' ''(until an emergency comes up in real life, then we're pretty much zombie-food)'' [[User:Bystander|Bystander]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Bystander, I recommend the buddy system. Give someone in your group your PW so they can move you in an emergency.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 00:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, your reading is correct that perma-headshot isn't returning.--[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Will there be any type of reward for x number of survivors remaining? ==<br />
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I'm just going to say the only reason to ask this is because what the point of trying to survive if the hoard of zombies will eventually take over all? All i want to know is there anything that actually would give hope to the survivors?<br />
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:Yeah, it would be nice if the last 100 survivors were transported to Malton with text like "NAME survived the second Monroeville quarantine." or "NAME was one of the last 100 to die in Monroeville." on their profile page. --[[User:BetterLuck|BetterLuck]] 23:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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::I hope something happens that's good at least for survivors, now they outnumber us way too much now--[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 15:44, 19 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Monroeville Characters ==<br />
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I was just wondering if you had any plans for allowing players to have their Monroeville character's account moved to Malton. I just want to know because I happen to really like my MV character from an RP perspective and would like to play as him in a city that isn't completely ruined and dead... or at least use his name for a character in Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 03:08, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:No - you can transfer donation flags, but not characters. If you want to roleplay the same character in Malton, just create a new account with a slightly different name. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
How do you transfer donation flags from a Monroeville character to a Malton one? Thanks. --[[User:Alias81|Alias81]] 13:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just go to your "settings" page and enter a name. I've now added this to the [http://urbandead.com/faq.html#monroedonate FAQ]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Don't fucking jimmy me, jules. ==<br />
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# (diff) (hist) . . User:Vigeous/Group Pages; 18:25 . . (-2) . . Vigeous (Talk | contribs) (→Folie à Famille - )<br />
# (diff) (hist) . . Category talk:Historical Groups; 17:01 . . (+319) . . WanYao (Talk | contribs) (→Drunken Dead - )<br />
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I swear that 84 minutes almost pushed me over the brink...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:34, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yeah, it looks like the wiki backups are pushing the server over the brink as well, from sheer weight of data, to the point of actually overheating the machine. I'm going to have to do another archive-history purge, as it's been a long time since the last one. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::NOOOOOO! Not the memories! Take anything but the memories! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:30, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::What about all teh lulz?!?!?!?!? Jed! ACTIVATE LULZ PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. CODE RED!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:44, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::OMG DID YOU SAY <big><big><big><big><font color="red">CODE RED?!?!?!?!</font></big></big></big></big>--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Good man. You'll do me proud yet. btw Kevan we just bought UD shirts so hopefully that means you don't have to go ahead with this "purging" business...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 10:48, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yeah i've thrown my best days into UD and my best money too. The least you could do is buy more server space so that a purge need never happen again. What if we need to check back over to see who made an edit? Or find long lost lulz? I mean [[2 Cool]] have a variety of quality projects using that space. [[ALiM]], [[ELiM]], [[Great Fire of 1912]], [[Sir Dick Longman]], [[Suburb Nicknames]], [[Colloquialisms]] and [[Malton Girl on Girl Parade]] all spring to mind. Of course there are many many more worthy pages created in the name of [[Kevanism|Kevan]], this is just a tasty sampling.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:53, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Stop blatantly spamming your endless vomit pile of useless wiki projects.--{{User:Sexylegsread/sig}} 11:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Quality projects using the ''page history'' space? If there's something good in there that's been deleted for wiki policy reasons, can't you host it somewhere else where people will actually find it? --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well if there is that's what we'll do. By the way - whilst I'm here, can I get your thoughts on [[ALiM|this page]]. Totally just out of interest and not fishing for an endorsement to stick in the first sentence of the article... And did you purposely give some of the locations amusing names or was it all the result of some cosmic event?--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:22, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Also thanks for the recognition that they are in fact quality. And yes page history contains lols and should be kept for this reason. For example [[User:J3D/lol@finis|this particular work]] would never have been possible if page histories weren't kept. [[Save Page Histories]], i think i smell a 2C wikiproject coming on...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:32, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Ah that smell. I know her well.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Just wondering if there's a time-frame for this, there's an administrative Archive of Two we need to finish up before it happens, shouldn't take more than a few hours each.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 16:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Turns out that it might just be the A/VB talk archives.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::What in the name of all things holy is an archive history purge? Do i need to be in the brace position? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Look at the contribs of an older member, like myself. Ive ben around and posting since october 2005. you will see pretty much nothingb that old. A history purge is just that, a deletion of all revisions older than a certain age from the database. Its one of the reasons we make archive pages. Histories can get seriously huge, especially on larger, more active pages. For examples of the biggest, try A/VB and Talk:Suggestions --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 18:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Cheers Grimbo. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:06, 21 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Couldn't Kev just get rid of the bigs one then? Talk suggestions is a particularly useless page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:08, 22 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:It'll be some time during September, and it'll be clearing out to a specific date (probably everything over a year old). If you need me to hold off while some admin archives are made, let me know. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::I believe we finally got them all done.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:17, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Maybe we do need to lose some of our precious memories...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 09:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Is barricading affected in dark buildings? ==<br />
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Would you be able to resolve [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Dark#barricading_success_is_also_affected_by_dark this question], please? (i.e. is there an effect in dark buildings on barricading success?) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:05, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:As Midi said, you should try doing your own research on this inquiry first. It seems like you haven't even checked by yourself. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 14:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's based on chance - sorta hard to get solid evidence when it could just be called "bad luck". Sometimes you have to go to the source to find out if you're just having a shitty day or if it's some game mechanic that's actually stopping you from hitting all those zeds at the local RP... I mean... er...--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 14:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aeon, I ''did'' "check for myself"... As in. I've experienced it numerous times in-game... Then I went to Brainstock, asked around for a second opinion, and got one... But that wasn't good enough for you people... So I decided to ask Kevan, himself -- especially since Nallan kind of has a point, and since it's not easy to find the conditions to conduct the experiment... In any event, I managed to find a place to try it: I posted the results on the Darkness talk page. However, a quick word, yea or nay, from the designer really would be appreciated... Now... none of this "discussion" was necessary, not here, stop spamming this page, sheeesh. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:14, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You typed more than the first three comments combined. And you complain about spamming? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 01:31, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, there is an effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== theres 98 survivors in monroeville what now? ==<br />
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what is going to happen now? is there anything left for the survivors other than to just run or make a last stand? is there anything for staying alive till the end. --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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Stay alive I guess. --[[User:Federationtrooper|Federationtrooper]] 22:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:umm the count jumped UP TO 100, what just happened? --[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 03:50, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::And it's 101 now. --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 05:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Idled characters standing up, most likely. Hellooooo. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:11, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Yes, idlers. So, will all characters be deleted completely? Should we make a last stand? What will happen to the accounts? Will there be permaneny links to the diaries, that can still be obtained after the accounts are deleted? Knowing the basic plan will help us figure out what we should be doing.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::If I recall correctly, at some point the game will be shut down. I mean ''shut down''. At which point Kevan has said that any donations on MV alts will be transferable to Malton. He has hinted that he might allow MV alts to be moved to Malton once it's shut right down -- although I haven't noticed anything like this in a while, maybe he's changed his mind? I dunno... My advice, personally is to wait and see... Possibly Kevan doesn't even know yet how he'll wrap it up. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::I'm [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Kevan#Monroeville_Characters pretty sure] that MV characters won't be transferable to Malton.--[[User:William Told|William Told]] 01:49, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Okay, but what will happen to the actual accounts though? What would happen if I tried to login with it after the map ends? Will the diary be preserved?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:59, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Aren't they (donation tags) already transferable? i'm pretty sure they should be. --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[LCD|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Donations are transferrable, and accounts aren't - it was always going to be one or the other, and donations seemed more appropriate. Profiles and diaries will be kept in perpetuity. And given how little difference there is between shutting the city down entirely and leaving it open for zombies to mill aimlessly around in, I might just leave it open. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Fair enough? Any chance of us active zeds getting another tag in our profiles? Ive noticed those survivors still active have got one. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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For what? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 19:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like this [[http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1147825]], one like ''blah was an active zombie one month into the 2nd quarantine. '' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Again, I ask, "For what?" For staying active? --[[User:Deadblast|Deadblast]] 23:35, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Sorry. yep.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::You knew when you signed up that it was not going to be a permanent map. And you knew the basic rules of the game, as well. You ''knew''... Now, deal with it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== FAQs addition? ==<br />
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I don't know why you haven't gotten around to it, but here you can even find a pretyped one to add. It's a quick, simple addition...<br />
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http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Add_encumbrance_section_to_the_FAQs<br />
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Also, I'm not trying to bother you, but could you check the bugs page and try to deal with some of those issues? I noticed my moved-outside reports already in the known bugs section, and that sounds like a creepy one that's been happening to a number of people. I also see a number of other bugs commonly happening, with no hint of what's going on. Thanks.<br />
--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 20:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Once again...[[PR_UI:_Sub_Pages#Tips_about_encumbrance|dupe]]. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 19:28, 30 August 2008 (BST)<br />
::That's why I wondered why he hasn't gottena round to it yet. It's been around a while, and it seems pretty needed.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:04, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Enough is enough ==<br />
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I know you don't want to deal with this kind of stuff... yeah yeah yeah... But please just ''look'' at [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.180 this post]. Just quickly... <br />
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Enough is enough, already. '''Please''' ban open proxies from accessing Urban Dead, because this is just too common -- and if anything is going to kill this game and the community it's zerging. There is a massive level of frustration over zerging, though honestly it's not brought up because people are fatalistic, figuring you're not going to do anything about it. But there are people willing and able to assist with the coding, with helping to set this up, you just need to say "Yes" to getting the ball rolling. Please consider it, consider ''something''... Because it's a serious problem ((that is, the use of proxies). And, unfortunately -- unless there is something huge we are all missing -- it's a problem that your abuse detection algorithms just can't deal with... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
:Just to add... This guy in the post I linked to likely had his alts banned, and just kept making more and more to replace them... which, if true, shows that algorithm works against ''"normal" multi-abusers.'' But when you're dealing with proxies, you can completely circumvent those algorithms. And that's the problem... Active players usually encounter at least a couple ''obvious'' "zerg teams" every week... And a lot more less obvious but suspicious ones... It's very frustrating for those who try to play "by the book"... And while we generally just "shrug and bear it", still... I'm not going to bother you with this anymore now, but I really felt it was high time to bring this your attention, and to speak out for the many people who are so frustrated by the prevalence of zerging in Urban Dead. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:17, 31 August 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'm going to take the liberty of seconding the above on behalf of both the [[Ridleybank Resistance Front]] and [[Columbine Kids]], two fair-playing teams that I lead who encounter zerg teams weekly. Whether something comes of this or not, I just want to add our voices. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 18:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ha. The only topic on the page not address by Kev on Sept 3. Come on man an least a reply saying you cbf would be nice...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:03, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Sure, I'll take a look at any ideas or technologies people have got. I'm not aware of any silver bullets that don't also turn up false-positives for people on weird ISPs or who have a misleadingly-configured home network, but would be happy to be proven wrong. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:29, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Interesting Tangent: Speaking of silver bullets, i recently found out that all that stuff from days yonder referring to silver bullets and there use in banishing monsters is actually ambiguous as to if it's talking about actual silver, or mercury (which was known as quicksilver at the time). so yeah, you may in fact be unaware of any mercury bullets. Just keep that in mind when banishing foes.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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There was a discussion on Beerhah.com about this... Where some people were attempting to seriously address the issue and then come to you with some solutions. Sadly, interest seemed to wane once Finis Valorum apparently left the game... However, I am going to copy what was probably the most relevant and hopefully most useful post in that discussion. As you'll see, the solution was not an algorithm and/or set of "suspicious" IPs, etc. -- which I gather was you were talking about above? Rather, the main idea it was using a list of known proxies and simply banning them. I actually think the wiki sysops have a pretty long list of banned proxies, for a start perhaps that could be used... <br />
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And, no solution is going to perfect. There will ''always'' be holes, always ways around whatever measures you impliment. As the post I'll copy discusses. That, I think, is pretty well understood. However, the point is to make it as difficult as possible for people to cheat. Open proxies are just ''too easy'' to find and use... Now, I don't know if paying for a proxy list is going to be effective, or a waste of money, considering how much these things change, apparently -- that's something someone with the right knowledge would have to decide. Anyway, I'm place the text of the post on [[User talk:WanYao| my Talk page]] for you to look at. Thanks for your time. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:21, 5 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Sadly, we've got no follow up response yet... Kevan, are you listening? Just as another case in point, look at this... yeah I ''know'' what you say... But just look... I think you need to... I don't want to be a "bitch" about this... But I am really, really hoping we can find some way to address the zerging issue, and this requires a dialogue with you... <br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_7-1__644-f97-77b.html<br />
http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_8-1__0c7-19c-2b9.html<br />
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LOLz at my insane typos notwithstanding (i meant "flayed alive") .... This is sadly typical... We see this stuff all the time: here, 4 alts, at least, 2 each in adjacent buildings, from someone with a whole slew of "mithra" alts, many more than these 4, many of them previously spotted together -- this guy is familiar to us... We've presented some ideas for dealing with zergs like this, there is a discussion on the [[AZM]] Talk page... Will you work on this? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:08, 12 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Kevan, please do this: community appointed UD moderators. These trusted moderators will ban obvious zerging reported by players. To investigate zerging only basic information is needed: history of when the zergs all logged in, and how long they've been around each other. 95% of zergers are stupid and lazy and will be caught this way. No permanent bans, just temporary ones. Enough to make the zergers life difficult. --[[User:Rupert|Rupert]] 19:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:COMMUNITY appointed? You're joking, right? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 21:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'm kind of new, so forgive me if this is stupid... Am I correct in assuming that a lot of these zerg characters are level 1, or to a lesser degree level 2 that seldom level up or even gain XP but are used as scouts. If that's the case then I would think that any ''real'' account is going to gain XP and level up within reasonable time periods. If that's the case then would purging level 1 & 2 characters that don't level in say a month get rid of a lot of zergs? Or is there a legitimate reason for accounts within these parameters? --[[User:Mvario|mvario]] 01:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Most zergs (despite the name) do infact end up leveling up, check out all the [[GTFO]] zergs for an example. The one's that do stay at lvl 1 and 2 are throw aways that won't be used again anyway, so deleting them wouldn't have any effect except to free up the account name to be used by another player. And that is something Kevan has said he doesn't want as it would cause confusion. Also lol @ my post up there ^ from Sept 5.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Last Major Change to this page? ==<br />
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When was the last major change to this page made, the one where months pf posts were cleared off and the number of topics reset to 0 (I assume 0)?. What about the Suggestions Development Page, where the Overflow section used to be? I'm trying to find certain old stuff, and I need to know those important dates to do so...thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:07, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevan&diff=prev&oldid=1241305]]This? You can chust check yourself by looking in the history tab at the top of each page. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:27, 2 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:That link's no good.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::There was a history purge so links to old edits don't work. However purges aside he's right, if you need to find an old version of the page use the history tab at the top.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::When was the last purge anyhow? That would really help. Those do make thinsg confusing...looking for old stuff that's gone...--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 19:17, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Dear Kevan: ==<br />
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<span style="color: #800000; font-family: Times"><center>You may try to tear down our barricades, devour our friends and allies, destroy our home... But we ''will'' prevail. Your efforts will be met with the stalwart defense that Barrville has maintained for these three years, and with our community at our sides, you must eventually accept defeat. You will go down, Kevan... and we'll put you there. And we'll do it oldschool; With our fists, With our boots, with lead pipes...<BR>And yes, with Axes. We shall not be put down.<BR>'''We Are AXES HIGH'''<br />
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E Cinerebus, Gloriam --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 16:13, 5 September 2008 (BST)</center></span><br />
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:'''''HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!''''' [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Okay, I actually thought it was quite the honour to be eaten by Kevan... but none the less worthy of an overtly trenchy and overdramatic comment. - --[[User:Hardcore Rockabilly|Hardcore Rockabilly]] 20:46, 23 September 2008 (BST)<br />
==Database errors==<br />
We are getting some infrequent, but still painfully annoying database errors. Last night when i was trying to edit [[A/VD]] i couldnt because of them, and we lost two current revisions on a page [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User%3ASpacer_one%2FAthair_bas&diff=1270526&oldid=1270400 here] to them as well. Can you please take a look and find out whats going on? --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 21:51, 10 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Noted. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:43, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It looks like we lost a handful of page revisions during the history purge; I'll look at restoring them this afternoon. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:08, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Okay, fixed, the handful of pages that were affected are stable now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==About the proxy issues...==<br />
this site: http://www.gmodtop100.com/ had a similar iddue which involved everyone giving themselves votes using proxyies from proxy.org Recently the website restted all the lists and when I tried to give hits to my gmod clan, I discovered that by some sort of meckanism they had managed to block proxies from being able to vote. I know they hadn't simply banned them because even my top secret proxy was blocked and I had never used it to access the website before. Maybe if you could get in contact with this "Pulsar effect" guy we could finally end this. [[User:The man|The man]] 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It's really not as simple as some people seem to think. Web-based CGI or PHP proxies, or even SOCKS/HTTP proxies, are merely the tip of the iceberg – anyone with any decent technical expertise or friends with same can bypass any proxy list you care to come up with. Sure, it might be helpful, but it won't be a silver bullet, as Kevan alluded to above. Either way, we'll need to continue with [[ZHU|community-based]] [[GTFO|solutions]], as well as any additional technological measures that may be implemented. And remember... {{cquote||It may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma... which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve.''|Edgar Allen Poe}}{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And...{{cquote||Some things are not problems to be solved, they are facts to be coped with.''|Anonymous}} --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 17:23, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Future history wipes==<br />
Would it be possible leave a few more months worth of page histories next time a wipe is done? It's making it very hard to evaluate and track deletion requests, vandal histories and the like when histories just weeks old are missing, making it especially difficult to determine who should have "ownership rights" of group pages. Loosing histories will always be a problem, but the problem can be lessened significantly if you could keep it to older edits <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 16:56 20 September 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Or a portion of the oldest edits on a page(like the first 5 if possible).--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::And maybe a backup for the suburb danger status, using that sql code i sent you last time... heh... too bad i only found out about this wipe weeks after it occured, or i would have asked you to make the backup before the wipe. Bugger. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 03:14, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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== I'm wishing for headshot.... ==<br />
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maybe for those left in monroeville should have something, like headshot, cause look at whats left... [[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 19:53, 4 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:The problem with that is to use headshot, you need to interact with zombies. A lot of the zeds left metagame, and all you'd do is draw others to your location. So yes. Bring it back. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I agree, running from zeds is getting old. I imagine they must be pretty bored as well. If not perma-death, how about headshot drops AP to zero. Otherwise we'll continue this war of attrition. Also shouldn't we get new badges? It would be cool if we had an incentive to keep playing besides making the zeds look impotent.--[[User:Babe's Ghost|Babe&#39;s Ghost]] 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== ALiM's Birthday Party ==<br />
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You've been cordially invited to attend ALiM's birthday party at [[Club Head]] at 10am GMT on the 18th of October. Festivities will last for a full 24 hours. See [[Talk:Amusing_Locations_in_Malton#ALiM_PARTY.21.21.21|here]] for more details, oh divine master.--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 02:15, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Misconduct ==<br />
I figure you are already aware of whats going on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#User:Grim_s| Here] but figured you should be formally informed. The final decision of the community has not been reached, but the general consensus will at the very least include the Bureaucrat status being removed from Grim. More may or not follow depending upon deliberations. Thank You. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:25, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:You have provided no evidence of misconduct. This is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:18, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Grim pipe down, everyone knows what you think and we also happen to know what Conn thinks. I can appreciate you're pissed off but can you not write the same boring ass one line all over the place, at least i nice tl;dr wall for old times sake ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:33, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Its not a boring arse line. Its a simple fact. All accusations of abusing the status of sysop as abadge of authority to force ones wishes on the community '''must''' come with '''clear evidence''' over a '''substancial period of time'''. So far no such evidence has been presented, and all my requests that it be have been soundly ignored by all concerned. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:36, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Conveniently all such evidence was wiped by Kev yestermonth, so i guess it falls down to your word against his/theirs. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Evidence already posted would still be present, easily visible to all who try a basic search. In any case, as [[user:Revenant]] has said, this is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Court Kangaroo Court], nothing more nothing less. My defense, which is logically sound, has been ignored, except where people have cherry picked points to troll. Saddam Hussein got a fairer trial than i am. In any case, without evidence, you cannot convict. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:40, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug*, shouldn't have declined my sysopship... ;) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::You were unfit for the job, and your subsequent tantrum proved as much to even the most jaded of eyes. My job isnt to make friends, or to be popular, or to do what people want, its to do what the rules and guidelines of this wiki state is correct, and to make the best decisions for the wiki in places where the guidelines do not cover. I am the only person to have ever lived up to that responsibility. No one else has, though karek comes damned close. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:47, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::oh come on, it was a joke! I thought even in your current state you should have picked it up. Feel free to slur away, hope it makes you feel better, xoxo. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:51, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Im sorry, but one seldom finds entertainment when one is the victim of such obvious and gross injustice where one cannot do anything about it. I apologise. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 11:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::apology accepted, we shall see how it plays out...now, to leave kevan's talk page so he doesn't get pissed off and cancel my accounts!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Yes, this page was already on my watchlist. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:37, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::You gonna have a vote? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Contrary to Conndraka's first post, this is not a community decision at all. It is in fact a decision made by a small group of sysops. I trust the subtle difference and obvious deceit on Conndraka's part is not lost on you. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 14:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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There being no official method or process of notification...[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Final_Ruling| Here] is the result. Note the community "petition" that is also currently attached to the position. There being no "Policy" in this manner, the impeachment of a sysop by the community is a nebulous proposal at best. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:00, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:So that was you that thought that it would be a good idea to try to drive someone to vandalism as a last resort at neutrality? If it wasn't whoever added that petition should themselves be vandal escalated for misusing an administrative page to further a personal fight. Precedent matters.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:13, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Just for the record it was me who added the "petition" it was not intended to be used as evidence against Grim it and i thought it was pretty clear that I was asking for the communities opinion on wether Grim should face a vote. more than 1 person thought not.... apparently my intention was not clear enough and it turned into a petition while i was off-line. Should Grim have lost his Crat status? Probably... should he have lost it for the misconduct case? Absolutely not!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 14:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Bug, "zerg flag", or what? ==<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=951980 This alt] has recently tried searching for FAKs in a powered Mall with *no* success. 'Tis far more than bad luck... All other actions seem to working just fine, and I really can't see how a zerg flag could have been activated, even accidentally. Is this a bug, some unannounced change, or has a zerg flag somehow been activated? Anyone else had anything similar happen? But if it is a bug, then I'll report it normally... Thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:09, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unannounced change, although you shouldn't be getting ''zero'' success. If it keeps up, report it as a bug and we'll get some more data on it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Can you post these things as news? not only are we in a news drought, but it'll send the mall rats scurrying to the TRPs...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:25, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::It seems a bit cheap to announce search tweaks as fully-fledged "game updates". There are some proper updates on the way. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Perhaps, but it makes a difference. And considering it was suggested through the wiki suggestion system it'd a tip of the hat to the crowd over there (regardless of whether or not you actually saw that ;) ), i look forward to new updates :D something pro zombie perhaps? Things have quietened down in Malty as of late...btw kudos on the ruin update, she added a whole new dimension to the game.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Oh good. I thought this was just me. I have been getting reduced search rates EVERYwhere. (Hospitals, Malls, NT buildings.) Quite a few days I've spend 18~23 AP in these buildings over a period of about 10~12 minutes and have found nothing at all. Recently I've used a mall-searcher and spent 20 AP in Caiger NW and have found nothing in any store. It woulda been nice to see this as an official update. [[User:Pakopako|Pakopako]] 14:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Yay! Updates are ace. :D -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 17:47, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Yes, please announce it or something. I was sad to find just 2 FAKs with 20 APs in a lightened mall with bargain hunting. Its just very less. First i thougt, it was bad luck, but others said the same too. Maybe a small view, what has been changed would be nice. --[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 17:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::'''My search-statistics:'''<br />
:::::::'''Where:''' lightened Mall, searched in the Drugstore<br />
:::::::'''Skill:''' Shopping+Bargain Hunting<br />
:::::::'''APs:''' 38 / 47<br />
:::::::'''Found nothing:''' 30 / 36<br />
:::::::'''Found a FAK:''' 8 / 11<br />
:::::::'''Rate:''' 21,06% / 23,4%<br />
:::::::--[[User:Paradoxin|Paradoxin]] 18:18, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Assuming there are no more break-ins at my safehouse, I'll post some data tomorrow. [[User:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DodgerBlue">Linkthewindow]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Linkthewindow|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk]] </span> </sup> 04:26, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the reply, Kevan... No, you're right, haven't had a lot of time to play lately, but I tested it further and I did finally find some FAKs... And for everyone else... I believe I know ''exactly'' why Kevan implemented this. And it pleases me, personally, very much. :) Meanwhile, this wasn't a game-mechanic change, just a search rate nerf... Thus, I think it's cool it was left for us to discover on our own, and not as an announcement... Even if I had to resort to the cheap method of asking the big guy himself... ;) Though I did suspect it might be a search rate nerf, I just didn't ''dare'' to believe'' :D ... Thanks, Kevan, cool change... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:01, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh... FTR limited data... but searching for guns in a mall ''seems'' the same as always... and syringe rates have been quite low for some time now... just to clear up statement made above about everything sucking... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:05, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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You know, there's a [[Search Odds|better place]] than Kevan's talk page to dump this data... --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 18:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup II==<br />
I have regularly spoken to you of the abuses of adminsistrator and the flaws of the system. I have begged, and pleaded for you to become involved in fixing these problems. You have told me to do it myself. Tow/three days ago i notified you of my intent to stage a coup on this wiki and enforce a better way, at the very least as a trial run. I also informed you that you could call it off simply by telling me "no". Since you havent responded, and circumstances have cospired to make such an option impossible in the immediate future due to the very corruption that has taken root, i have been forced to go ahead earlier than i would have liked. I merely ask that you adopt a wait and see attitude towards what i am trying to do. This is my last throw of the dice. My last ditch attempt to make this a better place before i take my leave of this community forever. I apologise for the manner in which i had to bring it about however. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]]</sup> 10:26, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hello Grim. I read your email as a bold request for ''permission'' to single-handedly institute "sweeping reforms" and selective sysop demotions. I didn't realise you were threatening to actually abuse bureaucrat powers and go ahead regardless, if I didn't respond quickly enough.<br />
:Yes, whenever you email me asking that I force through a change that you personally want implemented, I suggest that you take it through the proper channels - usually a policy discussion, to at least get some community feedback first. I don't see why you couldn't have done that here. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Coup==<br />
Could you please re-sysop all the people that Grim just demoted, please, and remove his bureaucrat status to avoid it happening again? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:24 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:Already onto it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:24, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 10:28 9 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::sooo....where do we go from here? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 11:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::[[Suburb Nicknames#West Becktown|PUSSY TOWN]]!--{{User:Nallan/sig}} 11:33, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Shouldn't grim also have been demoted ? He can still do lots of damage with his sysop powers --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Given the "effective immediately i am seizing executive power" tone of his bureaucrat abuse, and the fact that he claims to have left the wiki permanently, temporarily revoking his sysop powers seems fair enough, if only as a security issue. I'll reverse it should the [[Misconduct#User:Grim_s|new misconduct case]] decide in his favour. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 14:34, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Hm... I think I may create a new subpage on my userspace containing as much of this stuff as I can. It will be interesting to read through and spot the points at which Grim became more and more frantic. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 14:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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::First Katthew, now grim. There is no place for common sense is there? Maybe i'm not in possession of all the facts; all I see is one frustrated person finally snapping, after years spent as one of the very few sysops to actually work to make this a better place - rather than feather his own nest. The wiki has finally moved from being a source of information to some kind of passive-aggressive, UD version of Facebook. I'd rather have one person capable of making a mature decisions, unafraid to step on a few toes and deflate a few egos, than a gaggle of preening children. Disappointing. --[[User:Keith Drudgely|Keith Drudgely]] 17:58, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Grim was anything but "mature". Just saying. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 20:56, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::you should talk, cyberbob... actually, i do think grim was someone who worked hard for the wiki... and he'd dealt with idiocy for so long, he did snap... however, if only he'd handled things better over the long haul... le sigh... for what it's worth, the drama has pretty much caused me to quit the game, too... pathetic how seriously some people (myself included) take all this sometimes... and interesting how easy it is to walk away when the bad taste gets to be too much, and how little you miss UD when you do... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:36, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Biiig difference between being immature by choice and being immature by impulse, Wan. Also, WTF is with you and ellipses? --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:18, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::~2 years till the next sysop snaps. I can understand where Grim was coming from though. It's very frustrating when people constantly attack you for no perceived reason, and eventually you *have* to snap, no one can sustain continued harassment. Grims misconduct case showed this, sysops calling for Grims demotion over something so minor was ridiculous. Unfortunately once a group of users has decided to attack you there's nowhere safe on the wiki, and eventually you are forced to leave until things cool off, which can be a long while, and difficult to do if you are a regular. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">11:35/13/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
::::::OR you could simply cease the unneccessary causticness that brought on all that ire and start acting with some degree of restraint rather than taking the easy route and trying to lay the blame on others. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 11:52, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Cyberbob's right, just because you weren't a victim of Grim's monster rampage doesn't mean it didn't happen. You should try to understand Jedaz, people didn't just rise against Grim for fun. We aren't idiots. If we were mindless idiots we would be playing Halo 3 and NFL 2009 instead of UD. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:58, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::It's called Madden you culturally ignorant fuck. Nah you're allllright. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:02, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::How dare you be here and not on IRC. You left me alone with those barbarians. >=[ {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::sorry sorry! I was spose to go to bed 21 minutes ago...hows a week tonight for you? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:19, 13 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::@Cyberbob - What kind of restraint are you talking about? Restraint of language? I don't see anyone else restraining themselves. Restraint of Sysop powers? Well there wern't any successful misconduct cases about misuse. If you are talking about restraining yourself once you've snapped then you must be laughing. Don't get me wrong, Grims attitude didn't help the situation, but people making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't going to help either.<br />
::::::::@DDR - What has Grim done since June to have this "uprising" occur? Personally I didn't see Grim do anything outside of his regular behaviour (ignoring this most recent case), and the community has known about his behaviour for a long time and still elected him! Would the community still have rised up if this didn't occur? If not then it's just an angry mob and it would have cooled down eventually, where as an uprising would still have occured.<br />
::::::::Anyway, if either of you wish to continue this conversation I'ld suggest we move this to my [[User_talk:Jedaz|talk page]] rather then clog up Kevans. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">00:34/14/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::My point, Jedaz, was that if Grim was at all socially intelligent he would have realised that people weren't going to take his shit forever. If he wanted to prevent an explosion of the sort we saw he should've taken steps to improve his self-control. Blaming his completely unreasonable hissy fit (ZOMG IM GONNA LOSE MAI CRAT STATUS ALL MUST DIE) on the completely understandable reactions of everyone else is ridiculous. You need to take off the "I got yo back brotha!" goggles (you think I don't remember the circumstances of your demotion?) and take a step back to look at things realistically. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 06:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I supose you have a point. But I don't think you fully understand the reason I chose to be demoted (if you did then you wouldn't have brought it up). My point is if you don't have the support of the team you are working in then of course you are going to find it tough and eventually you are either going to quit or break. Nobody seems to care that it can actually get to this point. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:20/16/10/2008</span>]]'''<br />
:::::::::Cyberbob's right. Do you actually have a personal history with Grimsky? He has been planning this entire explosion for a very long time. He probably stretched out the time of the case so it could build up to a bigger explosion. He deliberately did this for his own ego. And yet you don't think he was unfit to be at the position he was at? Why argue with us more? Ask the entire community which demanded what we demand right now. I don't want to disrupt Kevan (I know your reading hun =]) So I'll stop here, no need to pursue justification. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::it was very calculated, there was a reason he chased away the other competent sysops, and crats, and meatpuppeted his crat "election". He was planning this "coup" for a while and was no lapse in judgement.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 22:30, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::I miss all of the good stuff. I believe what Anime is referring to is discussed [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|here]], with a now dead reference to [[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Sysop_Sub_Groups:The_Cheesy_Version#"With_less_than_10_active_sysops"|the original conversation here]]. You know, where he admits to hounding sysops such as Vista and Hagnat to get them to quit their positions. Coincidentally, after he got Hagnat to quit, he got elected as a Bureaucrat. No, obviously no long term plan in place.<br />
:::::::::::{{quote|Grim_s|Making a new sysop subclass wont solve this problem, all it will do is bloat the numbers of idiot sysops, which i have spent the last 18 months whittling away at.}}<br />
:::::::::::Whoops. I guess it ''was'' a long term plan to get into power after all, huh? [[Image:Haw.gif]] --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:52, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::No way to prove this but on IRC Grim would often criticize my "hissy fits" of pissing people off for lulz and then brag about how he could do it better. I think AS remembers it, he often hung out in #udwiki. My point, he planned this. That wasn't impulse. Impulse is "DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING!!!" --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:07, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::Maybe they are talking about on a geological timetable. Or perhaps some people need to [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impulse%5B2%5D read more]. I do find it amusing that [[:Template:Grim Doom|this template]], which was meant as a joke, is closer to the truth than people like to believe. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::He made [[User:Grim_s/Sandbox/Thingamajig|these notes on attempting to scrap the system]] back in July, which included the idea that my veto power was a "problem" and should be revoked. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::That's kind of why I am confused how what [[User:Amazing|Amazing]] did was worse than this. There is a huge history of edits of Grim chasing users off of the wiki in order to attain the power he craved ([[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Grimch_vs._Conndraka#Opinions/arguments/refutations/insults|'''by his own admission''']]), then kicks off the rest of the sysop team to implement his changes when he is threatened, yet he doesn't receive the same punishment. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::You're confusing yourself, because the Amazing and Grim situations are totally different. Amazing wasn't a sysop when he earned his permban through the established VB escalation system, and it was also a long, long time ago. Most of the sysops ruling on Grims case had nothing to do with the wikigate farce. Careful what you wish for, Akule, [[Witch Burners]] arn't that picky, as you well know <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:35 15 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::::Oh, okay, so talking with Kevan about how Grim probably should have been permabanned for chasing away several good sysops, plotting to remove Kevan's veto power, and overthrowing the other sysops results with veiled threats of forcing me off the wiki from you. Gotcha. So, when are you going to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Amnesty&diff=next&oldid=1295384 "waah"] Kevan like you did Hagnat and the others? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:17, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::I'm not threatening to force you off the wiki, Akule. I'm trying to point out that if witch burners always got their way, Grim would be out, but so would you, long ago due to copyright-gate. And why the hell would I Wah Keven, you clown... you're the one doing the waaaaahing <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:::::::::::::It's cos deep down (very deep, in some cases) we've all got a soft spot for ol' grimchy.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::And the winner of the Speak For Yourself award goes to.... --{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 08:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Ooo! ooo! I'm a shoo in for this one! Pick me! Pick me! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:58, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::Umm...Boxy? How is what Grim did similar to the Witch Burners? Our goal is to remove those who create mass amounts of drama on the wiki through vandalism, arby's, and other crap. We are the vigilantes that work where the sysops can't. Grim would have been a target of ours if we weren't so afraid of him banning us after labeling him a target. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:25, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::Well, I was referring to the way Grim has become a targeted witch, actually, but he did use similar tactics, now you mention it <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::::::::::::::The problem Grim saw with Kevan's veto power was that Kevan's refusal to participate in the wiki and the absence of the threat of the use of that power was in and of itself damaging to the wiki and led to a lot of the crap that annoys all of us. It wasn't that Kevan had veto power but that Kevan wasn't willing to give that power any weight. You'd probably know that if you ever spoke to Grim outside of arguments.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:24, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::I did. Usually it was go back to an argument, mostly over stupid shit. Mentioning you like Star Wars would result in a vicious attack on why TIE Fighters can't make noise in space. I for one don't give a shit. Grim loved to create trouble over stupid shit. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:23, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::That wasn't directed at you Sonny.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:54, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::BUT GODDSDAMMIT TIE FIGHTERS CAN'T MAKE A NOISE IN SPACE!!!!!!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 18:28, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::fcuk u tehy can 2!!1!!!1one! --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::: obviously the whole star war universe takes place in a particle rich nebula that allows for both the transmission of sound and the really spectacular explosions...DUH! [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:07, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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Well at least we don't have Real Gamer ruling the wiki.Grim did make a joke about a coup earlier in 2008 around the time the the dead did their rampage I believe.And by the way, according to the History Channel,if you were in space,the Death Star firing and destroying a planet is as less loud than you clicking your computer's mouse.--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 21:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Coup Misconduct Resolution ==<br />
[[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#Resolution.2FFinal_Ruling| Resolution]] of the Misconduct case due to the coup, Just an FYI for official notification. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== HP? ==<br />
Just stood up after a revive... Found myself at 20 instead of 30. another one of these unannounced changes? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:07, 12 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:That would be a bug. Report it if it happens again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:24, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I like the NT scan tweak. Very classy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Grammar ==<br />
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You try to add some corrugated iron to the barricade, but can't find a place for them.<br />
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"Them" should be "it", or "corrugated iron" should be plural, so maybe "corrugated iron rods".<br />
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Hope this is in the right place, and I know you probably don't care that much about small gramatical errors but someone needs to point them out!<br />
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Feel free to downsize the image..I would but I need to run! {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 12:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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[[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 12:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Update ==<br />
I don't do this much and am actually on the side of criticizing updates as too much for false problems but this recent update has been something that has been long in the waiting. Thank You, this might actually get me playing my characters again.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:37, 16 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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I'll go along with that. Admittedly I'm far more easily-pleased than Karek and never stopped actively playing, but still, thanks for a great update. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:27, 17 October 2008 (BST).<br />
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== Privacy Policy ==<br />
Hi kevan, is there any chance of a Privacy Policy being written up regarding players IP's and emails. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:58, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:[[UDWiki:Privacy policy]] has been in the footer for a couple of years now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:13, 17 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::Sorry I did not make it clear, I meant in regards to the game, not the wiki.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 10:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== Streetwalkin' cheetah with a heartful of napalm ==<br />
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A ruffian headbutted me for 1 damage today, as a human. Is this a new addition or am I slow? I basically came here to ask, Kevan, how does one headbutt? Is it a random occurance that may happen instead of excecuting the punch command? Just curious. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:22, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Heh. That would have been me, non? Headbutt works via ?actions, i simply installed a greasemonkey script that allows me to perform said action in harman form without using the ?action. Sometimes young ddr, the only way to fight fire is well, with fire ;) . --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:50, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::That would be biting with a mask while alive I assume. 'cause you can bite while alive but, for 1 damage.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:49, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like the shooting while a zombie cheat to me. That hasn't been fixed yet, has it? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 14:27 18 October 2008 (BST)</small><br />
::::That was fixed just before April 1 this year, I remember because Red Rums April Fools plans were ruined.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 17:06, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::::The only reason the shooting cheat got fixed was because enough people decided to whine about such a minor thing. No one really cares about this one and it's been known for a long long time. That being said the damage is reduced when trying to perform zombie actions while living, it's always punch damage and I think punch rates too.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:58, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Nah no mask, just 1 damage.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:55, 18 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::I wish to lay claim to be the first person to be headbutted for 1 damage by a harman. Then I'll be positively famous. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:52, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::You aren't. Unfortunately i'm not original, i got the script that allows me to do this off viktor, first person i know of who got headbutted was Fiffy i think, check with Anime, he'll know! --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:06, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:Take it to [[Talk:Actions via "question marks"]], thanks kids... no need to bother Kevan with this. Basically all these attacks work as a punch with different flavour: they're all 25% to hit, 1 damage. And you're very late to the party, I know I and others have been doing this for 6 months or more. Pretty much from around the time ActOnProfile came out. <tt>;)</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:34, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
::And unlike shooting while a zombie...the damage able to be inflicted by this is minimal. I've been bitten by a harman before. It was hilarious. ;) --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 04:15, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Aha! That sneaky gorilla's secret is revealed! At last the world makes sense again. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 05:09, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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/topic. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:31, 19 October 2008 (BST)<br />
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== so wait... new map? whats for monroeville? ==<br />
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2 questions....headshot on this map or?<br />
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and monroeville is at 260 poeple so im kinda wondering if theres anything left for it....<br />
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[[User:Kazypoo1|Kazypoo1]] 10:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:First question, the first one to level 10'll find out. Question 2, get over it, there's been nothing there for ages...new city thyme :D --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 10:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Kazypoo1, Monroeville ''did'' die quite a while ago, in case you didn't notice... I thought it said 'permanent zombification' somewhere, and it only lasts a month, so I'm assuming its perma headshot. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
::No, headshot doesn't mean permadeath in Borehamwood. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hello Kevan, quick question: The stats page currently displays the Monroeville numbers as {{udspan|(1023 standing survivors, 707 standing zombies, 43896 accounts created)}}. I take it this is Borehamwood numbers mixing with the old of Monroeville. So will we get separate stats for Borehamwood? - [[User:Whitehouse]] 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:So. That's basically 950 survivors against 200 zombies at the moment? Still I liked getting the rage. It was fun. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Good point. Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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With the new locations such as railway line(s) and petrol station(s), what do they bring to the game? Is their any new weapons/items? --[[User:Alcatraz311|Alcatraz311]] 15:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Was this why the server went down last night by any chance? =P -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Publicity of Big Brother house location ==<br />
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Greetings. I, amongst others, would like to know your opinion on publicity of the Big Brother house location on the wiki. Should it stay hidden or be revealed? --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]] [[User:Duke Garland/BHW|<nowiki>[</nowiki>]][[User talk:Duke Garland|talk]][[Signature Race|<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 13:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Unless Kevan comes out and says otherwise, this is no different than any other location in the game. Removing it is in no way different to a group of trenchies removing [[Giddings Mall]] from the map in case [[MOB]] comes to visit. Information is free. Censorship is bad.<br />
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:This wiki is a game resource, not a vehicle for censorship so that certain players can increase their chances of winning a DVD.<br />
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:Also this information has already been disseminated to public UD forums and is available through public iwitnesses. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 13:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Had this talk with the Big Man before, and he said he has no problem with it. Actually, he imagined its coordinates would have been posted in a matter of hours on the wiki, and also broadcasted through radio and stuff like that. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 13:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's up to players how much information they share or conceal; I don't mind either way, in this case. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Wow... as if we don't get enough of the BB franchise on the idiot box, now we get huge BB eye's looking at us as we attack a mall in Malton? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:59 2 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
:They'd only be there because someone chose to spraypaint them, but the graphic shouldn't have been showing up outside Borehamwood. This is now fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::OK, thanks. I have a particular hatred of the bastardisation of the original "big brother" concept that involves housemates <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:56 3 November 2008 (BST)</small><br />
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== Questions about your character ==<br />
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I assume this UD ID is yours, correct, UD ID-11? Well, I'd like to welcome you to West Grayside, though I don't appreciate the eating of so many brains. Also, I don't appreciate the Ninja Zombie status you seem to give yourself. we all know the military covers up things, but covering up their own skills? I scanned your zombie, listed as pre-death class Military, but you lack any military skills! So is just a sick joke, or is it a bug? Picture of scan here:<br />
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Thanks for checking.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Damn, that's a pretty smart catch! Bub is pretty famous among organized zombie players, and most folks know him for not having any human skills, but I never knew he was a "military class" character, as I've never seen the "living" version of his profile.<br>I doubt its a bug; G. Romeroe's "Bub" character was military. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 22:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::How did he get Military without any skills? .......... Oh wait.... Mad haxors skill... :P --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Bweing god of Urban dead helped as well; being able to defy the laws of logic and the 4rth dimension and whatnot. Wait whats his human account?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 03:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::So, what is his human account? --{{User:Lady Clitoria/Sig}} 17:00, 26 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::I don't think any of the survivor accounts are known, but we know he has them out there... Somewhere... --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Silver}}-- 02:41, 27 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=14 Kevan] doesn't seem to do much <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:11 27 September 2009 (BST)</small><br />
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== Mediawiki Update ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if there any chance of getting wiki software updated? The latest version is v1.13 and there are several useful new features, including: <br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
It's not urgent or anything, but it would be nice if you could put it on your busy to-do list :D.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:That sounds pretty cool. =) Can we get it for Christmas? Means you'd only have to get us one present between us this year, saving you quite a lot of money. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Image undeletion is enabled by default as well-useful for when sysops accidentally delete a useful image {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Black Holes of Borehamwood==<br />
Evening. There's a couple of squares in [[Borehamwood]] that are seemingly unscoutable. Namely deep river sections. Can you confirm there's nothing mysterious and shiny hiding in the depths, islands and the like? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'd just like to also say thank you for the charcoal briquettes barricade message. Brought a smile to my face.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazing ==<br />
I'v always owndered for these 2 years; what in the hell DID amazing do anyways? What grim did is easy to see because of the publicity and recentism of it but what EXACTLY did amazing do?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Amount of characters in a broadcast ==<br />
I was wondering, Since I started the [[Galaxy News Radio]] i've found that the very small amount of characters you can use is at best, a thorn in my side, couldn't it be possible to make the transmission amount of characters the same as for speaking, it makes perfect sense really --[[User:An unlucky guy|Three Dog]] 21:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If you want to make a suggestion for an in game feature, take it by [[Developing Suggestions]] and get some constructive criticism before putting it up for voting. Although as far as i'm aware the character cap exists to limit spamming of radio channels.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Actually it's probably more of a necessary thing like the 50 people limit in normal speak is. Radio can't share that limiter because that would eliminate it's whole purpose so the only other ways to limit it is to put an upper end on how much you can say per day per channel.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::It's a possibility, but since character limits (as far as i'm aware) predates the need for limiting talking to 50 it seems odd.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
Okie i'll take this to the development pages, thanks for the feed back though guys {{unsigned|An unlucky guy|11:00, November 23, 2008}}<br />
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==Dead Set Competition== <br />
Can I assume that the prizes and all went off without a hitch so I can update the competition as a Past event? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, the winners have been selected and contacted, and talking to the cameras in the diary room no longer has any effect. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Trade?==<br />
Sorry to bother you but I was wondering why survivors can't trade. This could lead to more eaisly avalible equipment, I think there would be a limit thou. Generators couldn't be traded etc. I think that it might help the humans in a bunch of Unbalanced claims. Players could not trade to same Ip address characters would stop cheating and it could lead to characters traveling round Malton selling there wares which would be fun to see. My regards it's a great game and I've got a bunch of my freinds playing now too. Thanks from me and them [[User:Athur birling]]<br />
:Heya. If you want to make a suggestion for an addition to the game you should go [[suggestions|here]]. In the meantime check out [[Frequently_Suggested#Giving_or_Trading_Items|this]] which explains why trading is generally seen as a bad idea. Anyway, welcome to the totally awesome UD wiki!--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::The [http://www.urbandead.com/faq.html#trade FAQ] does hint at trading, but he also says it will take lots of thought. I imagine the coding would be nightmarish too. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 06:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::you know what link? you're alllllllllllllllllright.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks {{unsigned|Athur birling}}<br />
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==Making a list? Checking it Twice?==<br />
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We getting a chrimbo update? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow? ==<br />
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Are you hiding it under your cap? Or NO SNOW FOR MALTON WINTER 08'? I miss mah flakie friends! --[[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 21:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:[http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a841/a841.gif Al Gore was right]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd like to put in another vote for snow! I missed the fog this year at Halloween and the snow really added some nice flavour in my opinion. --[[User:Queen Mum|Queen Mum]] 00:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Need moar snow. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== what, no more newspapers? ==<br />
they don't seem to be showing up in hospitals anymore. got rid of them, eh? any chance of them coming back, i love smacking people with 'em! :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:They should be somewhere else maybe? It was annoying with them in hospies. Luckily all ma guys have them already :) --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Still plenty of places to find [[newspapers]], guys. lrn2wiki. <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, there are no more newspapers in Hospitals. I search them often, and not in ages have I found a newspaper therein. Update that wiki page? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 10:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Same here. Seems safe to update. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== I can't smash Xmas lights??? ==<br />
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Those darned Whos! I hate them!! But seriously, the option to smash christmas lights in a ruined building is not available. This is blatant discrimination against zombie scrooges. I protest! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:My apologies. I figured it out. :) --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hi, I'm a big fan. I finally found your talk page and I have a question, can you reinstall headshots in Monroeville as the humans think they can take down us zeds........--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leaving nice messages for Kevan is fine, however we have a system for suggesting improvements. Please go to [[Developing_Suggestions|Developing Suggestions]] and suggest it there. --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 19:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Character Deleted == <br />
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I wanted to make sure that this [[Fixed_Bugs#Teleport_across_Malton_and_level_0_account||bug]] was fixed but it appears that it is not fixed. If you are on the edge of Malton and go to http:urbandead.com/map.cgi?v=100-99 it will mess up your character. I did this with my charachter Yark and now whenever I log in I can't perform any actions with him, and it seems his skills have been deleted: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815674 --[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 20:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No! Yark! =( -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Just replicated it by going from 0,99 to 0,100 in New Arkham with a random throwaway I just made: [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1442227 Testy McTesterson]. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I hate to say it, I killed mister <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=142058 password]</span>. After more poking, I have observed even more; Couple of AP and permadeath, I'm the first to go from Spicer Hills to Dakerstown instantly. I'll work out more details when my IP hits refresh, as I just used a proxy that I didn't much like. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::<nowiki>:</nowiki>'( --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::password will live on. (and probably be revivificated) Also, what about 100-100? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 05:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::[[:Image:Testy.jpg|We're alive!!]] =D We're level 0 and we've got a zombie chewing on us, but we're alive!! -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 15:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Fixed. I've dropped Yark into a random, secure building, and given the character 1000XP to get up and running again. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The bug? Or Yark? password and Testy are level 0.. The bug was interesting, odd behaviour, but it would be nice if after a server reset you could be free to move again. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 18:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The bug. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 18:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Project Namespace ==<br />
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we have few projects, yet i was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting to have them in their own namespace. Thus projects like [[The Great Mall Project]] and [[ALiM]] would be located in [[Project:The Great Mall Project]] and [[Project:ALiM]]. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but "Project" is a builtin alias for whatever the name of the wiki is (here it's "UDWiki"). e.g. [[Project:Administration]] is the same as [[UDWiki:Administration]]. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Darn, forgot about that. Maybe in the plural then, [[Projects:The Great Mall Project]] --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::That would just be confusing.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Just Plain Vanity ==<br />
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Any chance of a {{Udspan|''' Dermot O'Leary was still alive and active one month into the Borehamwood quarantine.'''}} ? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== about the admin team ==<br />
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how do you feel about the current sysop team of the wiki ? do you have any problems with how we run things ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 11:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:does he give a fuck? recent history would suggest probably not. Stop fishing for compliments hagnat. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:okay that came out a little harsh, but i don't see why you want to bring kevan into this other than for your own gratification. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Hedging much? --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 13:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::It's pretty easy to predict what he's going to say. Why would he complain? You can't have nothing to do with your own games wiki then rock up and say 'i hate the way you people run it' and then disappear again. Unless he wants to get involved in the wiki again kevan ''can't'' say he has a problem with the way they run it. Although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Easier than that, last time someone asked him to weigh in on promotions his response was that he basically didn't want his opinion brought into the matter. So No Comment is probably the best bet.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Me? I'm just the guy who provides the hosting, here - I'll step in if there are server issues, or if a rogue bureaucrat locks the wiki down, but everything else is up to the community. If I wanted to have a say in wiki policy, or who should and shouldn't be a sysop, I'd already be doing that. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::J3D 1, haggy, zerrro. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 01:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Hey, he gives a fuck about how the community is run. He just won't say how much or what he gives a fuck about. :D --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span></small> 02:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
I think Hagnat's concerned for his sysop status. I would be too if I was a ''trusted user'' that was acting against the wishes of the community. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop right there Iscariot! I am sick and tired of you constantly saying that every sysop on the team is going agaisnt the wishes of the community! Most of the community never has a problem with the current admin team, and when they do it's rarely a huge problem. Now you come on Kevan's page and still continue the bad mouthing. Just face it, no matter what you will never be pleased with the administration and so you will constantly have to pretend that the whole community is on your side so that you will feel right in your head.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::How many people are there playing the game? How many are on this wiki? Yes, some people don't have time to spend on anything other than playing the game, but how many people are putting hours a day into the meta game and ''still'' won't touch this wiki without an exceptional reason? And how many of those people have told you that the current administration team is one of the primary reasons? My total ''will'' beat yours. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The wiki is an information source. Almost everything is explained in game when you encounter it (1st death, 1st Rez. etc.) So, not every one needs to touch the wiki or even use it as a resource. <br />
::::The wiki is the worst place to organize and meta-game. Just ask DHPD. When we were just Project:T.I.M.E. (well, before the Dead/DoDH) we were seriously outnumbered by them, but because they had all of their profiles linked on here and updated where they were going to be and who they were working with and so on we knew enough about them to take them out. The wiki shouldn't be for the meta-game it should be for information. That's why most groups of note have an off site forum to metagame. You can't blame the current staff because people have figured out that giving away too much information on their groups is bad thing.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::That has so little to do with what iscariot said.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 23:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Get it off Kevan's page. He doesn't need to be bothered with a dispute between users. Have it out on each others talk pages, or even mine, just don't start bringing it here. Okay?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> dǝǝɥs </span>]] <small><span style="color: Crimson">oʇ </span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-QHA-QAMY <span style="color: DarkGreen">ɯɐds:</span>] [http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining <span style="color: MidnightBlue">sʎɐʍ1ɐ!</span>]</small> 01:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I know, I'm sorry. I just wanted to counter Iscariot's comment because I know exactly what he's trying to accomplish by posting that. I, unlike Iscariot, am done here now.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Much as I hate the way Iscariot is going about his crusade I have to say he does have a point. The sysop team probably does not represent the view of even a large minority of players and that explains why so few players contribute. Not that i think its all the Admin teams fault, but the rules they follow and enforce reflect a community that no longer exist. Most sysops were promoted long before most current players even heard of the game yet the tag "trusted user" is still attached to the title "SYSOP". Few current wiki users vouched for them and fewer still of the actual player base and yet they still cling to positions claiming that "popular" votes undermine the system! They are right that popularity does not mean competence but... Franky i find it a bit odd that sysops can claim the label "trusted user" and not be willing to allow the community to confirm that label. Look back to Conn's promotion bid, or Boxy's or Hagnats or even Kareks and even without checking i can say with confidence that at least half those that vouched are no longer active.... Now i personally '''Would''' vouch for them all but my point is that they were not voted in by the current community and the claims that they are trusted users wear very thin in light of the fact that they do not seem willing to trust the communities opinion on pretty much any issue!--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The sysop team doesn't have to represent the view of a large majority of players, it only has to represent the view of the wiki community. Whenever I play a browser game I don't always sign up to their forums/wiki/whatever they have. A large portion of users probably won't bother contributing to the wiki because so many other users already are. If I was to ask you, "what needs contributing to on the wiki?", I'm sure you probably won't have many answers. The only things of note are suggestions and suburb reports, and not everybody is interested in that (and the drama which comes with each of them). - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:26/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::I have a few, if you want a list feel free to pester me some time.--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 02:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree that the only bits of the wiki that interest most players are the Maps, suggestions and suburb reports (I include maps because i assumed you had forgotten them?) that said i do think that the system is set up to support the views of long time players (contributors) rather than the new players who are actually the lifeblood of the game. While obviously the wiki needs to pay some attention to long time editors like me,wan,cyberbob,ahlg,etc... i would think it would be far more important to promote the wiki to new uers. I still play (and i hope/assume that those named do too) and i would hope that everyone on the admin team does to but it has to be said that without change the game becomes dull and people leave. If the wiki and its admin team does not reflect the changing demographic of the game it is missing what is surely a fundemental point for its existence?--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 02:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I remembered the maps, but I did not include them because there is very little to nothing which a new user can contribute to (which is what I'm focusing on). I agree, we should encourage new users to join and contribute, however most of the other work is maintence which doesn't exactly draw the crowd. If you have an idea which would encourage new productive users to sign up then I'ld like to hear it. I'ld be more then happy to help flesh out any ideas you may have. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] '''- [[Signature Race|<span style="font-size:85%; color: #639">02:50/16/01/2009</span>]]'''<br />
::::::::I think my wiki Urban Dead game could draw in some people to play. They could even make their own once I finish the template. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Autoconfirmed group ==<br />
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Hi Kevan. Just want to ask a quick question. We've had a couple of policies about setting up an autoconfirmed group recently and I thought it might be a good idea to check in with you about it. Depending on the result of [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Autoconfirmed Group Trial|this policy]] would you been willing to implement an autoconfirmed group on the wiki as a trial to see how we get on with it? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 14:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No problem. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 15:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks. =) -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Quick Questions ==<br />
Sorry to take up your time, but I'm just wandering what you think of the games on the Related Games page. (ie, Nexus War, Shartak, Outbreak, etc). Also on Shartak, Leaky Blocks (It's creator) said that you encouraged Shartak's developement and that you play shartak. Is that true?--[[User:Gamestriker4|Gamestriker4]] 15:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Shartak's the only spinoff I've played, and yes, Simon/Leaky is an old friend of mine. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Why no chainsaws ==<br />
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:''content moved to [[User_talk:Jakezing|Jakezing talk page]]''<br />
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== Updating the Wiki software, 2.0 ==<br />
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The wiki software, as it stands, is two years old (ish, in the coming month.) As well as the obvious bugfixes and minor changes that can't be gone into detail here, 1.13.3 of MediaWiki has some useful new features that we could use:<br />
*Expiry dates on page protections<br />
*Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)<br />
*Ability to merge page histories<br />
*AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)<br />
*Image undeletion enabled by default<br />
*A prettier [[Special:Specialpages|list of special pages]] (compare to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages Wikipedia's])<br />
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There are heaps of other changes-you can look at the release notes linked [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/News here]. I know that updating the server will take some time, but it would be nice if you could add it to your busy schedule.<br />
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<sub>I stole some of that list from [[User:The General|The General]] above</sub><br />
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--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Would this increase information between the server and peers= server load increase? {{User:Liberty/Sign}} 12:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think so. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I can't see how it would, but I can't say for sure. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:It's on the to-do list. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Awesome, thanks.--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel -</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks Kevan. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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What's your view on adding extensions to the wiki? I'm not talking anything specific here, just in general. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Xmas ==<br />
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Xmas is over, and there are clearly no more Xmas decorations or trees, but the update message was not changed, and there is still the option to hold onto Xmas decorations if found. Perhaps removing that option (and next year posting when Xmas is over) would be helpful? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 13:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Don't take away my Christmas trees... --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Christmas trees have been a vehicle for meta-challenges and games when they do pop up. It's fun flavor even in the middle of the year. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool]] and the [[Christmas Tree Dead Pool II]] are a couple examples. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 03:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::In sounds like you guys think I am requesting trees be removed altogether. I am not. I mean, the announcement still exists on the main page about the trees and light being available, even though they no longer are, so I am suggesting cycling the announcement to something "current".--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Snow ==<br />
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Perhaps I have missed something, but did the livestock and industry prevent snowfall last winter? {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 22:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Misconduct Case Feb 2009==<br />
A user has brought a case over on [[UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct#The_Entire_Sysop_Team.2C_excluding_Kevan_and_.22Urbandead.22|the Administration: Misconduct page]] that indicts every member of the administration team except your personal account and the Urban Dead admin account also controlled by yourself. Due to the obvious problems with ruling on cases in which you are also a named party, none of the current administration team may rule on the case (that is if they conform to the community's policies). Would it be possible for you to quickly look over the case and either rule misconduct or not misconduct to prevent unnecessary fall out? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 17:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Pretty sure Kevan isn't going to buy into this shit fyi --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I think you're mistaking me for Read. Fact is, that case is going to sit there for a couple of weeks whilst you and he debate the finer points of whatever it is you discuss. If an involved sysop (as they all are) removes it then we're asking for drama. Kevan can spend five minutes and solve the whole thing for the community, even if he just states that he declines to get involved and rule, which will obviously mean that the sysops cannot be found guilty of misconduct and this will allow the case to be archived. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I may have to agree with Iscariot here. Getting Kevan to say something, anything, will be the only way to end the case without pissing off Read and causing him to file another misconduct case to whomever is the sysop responsible for breaking procedure and then causing a '''huge''' wave of drama, and we all know he's chomping at the bit for something truly substantial to hit the administration with.--{{User:SirArgo/Signature}} 18:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::The amount of drama someone causes is only as much as everyone else allows them to (I wasn't mistaking you for Read btw Iscariot; I wasn't intending to implicate you whatsoever). If nobody feeds the troll he will eventually starve to death. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::My opinions on Read, yourself, the sysop team and Santa Claus aren't involved here. The simple fact that allowing the precedent of an involved party to remove a case shouldn't be something we're striving for. Personally I'd rather have Kevan rule, and I think we all know which way. However provided that Kevan publicly responds in some way, even if that response is ''"I'm not ruling, I don't get involved"'', then we have a way to remove the case validly. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::kk --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 18:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Read was irrelevant, he wouldn't have continued it and Iscariot has no intentions here but to try and cause said drama. It's what he always does, jumping on something someone else made and perverting it for his own attempts at causing needless drama and faux rebellion to stroke his ego that the sysops who punish him for his actions aren't trusted by the community. The validity of the case was never relevant to his trying to stir shit, neither was the legitimacy of any action a sysop could take in response to it, to him it's all gonna be called abuse. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Not seeing any reason to get involved here; either the misconduct system is poorly worded, or it's being misinterpreted. You shouldn't be able to accuse all but one sysop of misconduct, and allow that one sysop to judge the rest. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 23:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::yase, justice have prevailed --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 23:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Massive Zerging in Dunell Hills ==<br />
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About three days ago a large number of new characters all called "TheDeadDie" (i.e., TheDeadDie1 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467702, TheDeadDie15 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467737, etc.) started appearing in Dunell Hills. The first the DHPD heard of it was this iWitness report.<br />
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http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-10-09_2000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_5-36_zergertown_a5d-400-1db.html<br />
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There are now, apparently, over 100 of these characters.<br />
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Obviously there is an outside possibility this is a large group of new players but, on the whole, it looks like zerging on a massive scale.<br />
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The DHPD are currently trying to find out more about the situation and deal with it. We thought we should give you a heads up, however, in case there was something obvious in the server logs that would provide definitive proof of zerging and allow swift action to be taken at your end. We understand that you normally prefer to keep out of zerging cases, but this looks pretty outrageous to us and we thought you should, at least, know about it. [[User:Louise|Louise]] 11:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Aye, [[HKL]] ran into this bunch as well and were pretty put-off. [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-11-09_0200hrs_PRIVATE/IN_5-36_Dead_Zerg_Rush__a51-c5d-8a0.html Another iWitness] with even more of them crowded in. Profile search for [http://profiles.urbandead.net/index.php?name=TheDeadDie* TheDeadDie*] shows 102 of them at the moment. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::zergs like that are usually a flash in the pan. 10 bucks says they all idle out before level 3--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 15:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible big ass Zerg in Yagoton ==<br />
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Ok: We have ALOT of Fing lvl 1 free runnerfs hiding in St. Swithuns (which i am guessing you know is a revive point), its caded thanks to the idiots trying ot take over: and I'm guessing this mass colection of lvl 1 free runners (they all have free running only) are bots? They all joined around the exact same time as well.<br />
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*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471315<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471341<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471355<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471480<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471498<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471519<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=163604<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471501<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471358<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471347.<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471324<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471331<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471350<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471366<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471492<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471504<br />
*http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471367<br />
:Those are the links, srry bout stretching but i forget which one tabs it into a Number.<br />
::Heres a picture of them all in one area. http://i43.tinypic.com/2lwr7k1.jpg<br />
:::Srry bout the mess this is making on the talk.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Take the list to resensitized, that's about all that you can do. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 05:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::One question about that picture. Where'd you get a version of UDToolbar that works with the latest version of Firefox? --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 08:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I just downloaded one? What's different about it? Also theres even more zergs now.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 13:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Jake, unlike how some folks would be I'll be nice here...Kev doesn't do anything about Zergs from info received on the wiki. as a matter of fact Kevan doesn't do a whole lot unless there was a significant amount of community input via the suggestions page and even then it is at his leisure. The Zerg issue is pretty much handled by other folks on the resens list and even then its pretty catch as catch can. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 19:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::No wonder UD fail so hard.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::As many have said before, if you don't like it, then leave. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I think he has sadism issues, as we try and try to get him to leave, but he always keeps coming back for moar abuse. It's sad really.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::You can tell me to go but that doesnt give you the power to make it happen.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I'm not telling you to leave, but it would probably be a good decision if you think UD fails. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 15:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::That's masochism, not sadism. --{{User:William Told/Sig}} 01:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Random Request ==<br />
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Next time you create a new city, any chance of bringing back the junkyard and wirecutters combo? Cheers. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:+1. I have to admit to being bitterly disappointed to find open junkyards in Monroeville. :'( {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==TOU/S==<br />
Do we have a Terms of use/service page? I've been looking for a while, and I don't seem to see one. It'd be nice if we did, because then we'd know things that are expressly forbidden due to hosting issues and the like.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 16:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:If you cannot find it: it does not exist.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 22:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Oh piss off. No one is fooled by your act, so please just fuck off. Kevan? Do we have a list of things that are forbidden due to country laws, hosting issues, etc. or not (Not necessarily meaning it's available on this site, but one that you know about that pertains to the wiki)? I mean, yeah there are a few "duh" sort of ones, like no kiddie porn and stuff, but others I have no idea about. Any help?--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::[http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.com This site] (domain tools,) says that [http://www.as29550.net/ this] is his ISP, server located in England. The ISP has an "Abuse of TOS" email address, so presumably they have a TOS, although I can't find it. I have no idea about English law. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::From time on another, more combative, site I have a layman's understanding of British Law as it applies to defamation, slander, libel and the nature of physical threats and illegal actions that appertain to the settlement of the aforementioned. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 02:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::A brief education by the University of Google finds no such laws relating to death threats, but I would imagine that such a law would be buried deep in things like criminal codes. If it comes to it, I'll ask one of my teachers about the (Australian) legal system when it comes to these things, or one of my parents (both lawyers.) That said, that's ''Australian'' law, but our law is pretty similar to that of the UK. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Back in the Day Xoid and I had to do some research on the TOS because of a user abusing in serious violation of them. However I've gone looking and haven't been able to find the references anywhere still on the Wiki. It was probably on a talk page of some article that was deleted in an edit without being archived. The primary gist of it was this... any form of intimidation that went beyond a certain level of namecalling and usual wiki BS was a violation, ESPECIALLY if it included "real world"<sup>tm</sup> threats of harm or violence. Also included were any situation where hosted domains were used to damage the effectiveness of another website or host (as an example you couldn't use any part of the host to launch a d.o.s. attack on another domain. Not that this was really possible by anyone but Kevan. Also iirc the Wiki and the Game were on different hosts at teh time but I'm pretty sure that has changed since then. I don't know. I was never the techno-savant of the group and my memory is hazy. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Thanks Conn, that's a little bit of what I'm looking for. Just waiting for a response from the big man about all this now.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I also thought we had some basic terms on the wiki somewhere, but maybe we don't. The Poundhost terms of service are [http://www.poundhost.com/tos/ here]. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Thank you, I'll start working on a page for the wiki.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 14:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|Semi-protection]] ==<br />
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...Was approved. I think all you have to do is change the autoconfirmed group to 1 week and 25 edits. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Going to update the config, it turns out that [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAutoConfirmCount $wgAutoConfirmCount] needs a later version of MediaWiki; this will either have to wait for a MediaWiki upgrade, or be reproposed without the edit count. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::We'll wait for the MediaWiki upgrade, there's no hurry. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 17:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Wiki_Questions#Time_Travel?|Time Travel]] ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, we've just had a very weird thing happening with the edit histories. Where you trying to do something or was it just a bug? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:No, I wasn't around at the time, I've no idea what that was about. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Okay, thanks. I'll do some poking at the Mediawiki help files if I have time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ever gonna update the game? ==<br />
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a lot of people are quitting the game.it's because you won't update the game. you need to push for 2-3 updates per month. i'm telling you so your game does not suffer. please update the game for the people's sake--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 23:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:How many games do you run, Yokotory? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Well I do run track and Cross-country. I ski on the weekends.Do you run at any games or track meets?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::No, rowing and weights are my sporting loves. The difference is that I'm not telling you how to run or ski, whilst you are trying to tell Kevan how to run a game which is heading toward four years of lifespan without once having had your help. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 00:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::I refuse to believe that Jerrel wasn't being a smartarse there. The concept of him actually taking your words in that way for real is just too retarded for words. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] 06:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::He was kidding wasn't he?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I believe they call it intentional misinterpretation, an example of me employing that very device is on either Boxys or kareks talk page, something to do with alim and hagnat...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I was faced with the choice of believing that he's either cripplingly unfunny or a functionally illiterate retard. The evidence all pointed to 'Retard' so I went with that and answered as though serious.--[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 12:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
No, I'm telling him that his game is going into despair, whilist he is doing nothing about it.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 00:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And you're also telling him how to 'fix' it, which amounts to exactly what I said. Care to back up your claims? How far have numbers fallen in the last six months? --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 02:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I really don't think a 'lack' of updates is the reason for dropping numbers. I'm not 100% sure the balance of some of the more recent updates is quite right but that isn't my call. But the game doesn't need a barrage of updates coming out every other month. The slow progression of the game over time gives it longer life than having quick fix after quick fix to keep people with low attention spans happy.--[[User:DI Marc Sweeny|DI Sweeny]] 01:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The numbers seems to have stagnated, actually. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
I'd like to thank you Kevan for taking your sweet time in updating the game. It's making it a little less full of people entirely incapable of self-motivation, thus making it more fun. Kudos to you sir. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Acctully Kevan is my idol. kevan is a good person for what he's doon.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 02:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Isn't this the dude who nominated himself for sysop after 200 edits? Yoko, do you think you could whip us up a cross-country and/or track MMORPG? Because that would be ''awesome''. Throw in some chainsaws, too, and maybe some crucifixes that shoot laser beams. You would totally show up Kevan! --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 04:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Okay, Now you all think I'm a retard. Sorry for pointing out what everyone else could not see. Sorry for pointing out the obvious. Most people in this game, (the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats, pardon me)would agree with me a think this game needs a freakin update. I take cybertonics and Coding as a special class at GU and I know it's hard to code, I've tryed it. But Kevan IS A TRAINED SPECIALIST. He could redo this entire game in a half hour if he wanted too. sooooo, whays a 1 UPDATE PER MONTH? is that so hard to ask?????<br />
add a new weopon, new builing, something. Please.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Last year kevan gave us 18 updates including 2 new cities. Give him a rest. {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And most all of them had someone complaining about the game being made harder or more complicated. A few legitimately, most because it screwed with their status quo. I have absolutely no clue why he would want to take his time between updates.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 18:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Making an update is a '''lot''' more than just coding it. The balance needs to be thought of thoroughly and it needs to be tested. These things take time. Sure, Kevan could probably push out ''one update a week'' if he wanted to and wasn't lazy, but those would be unbalanced and buggy updates. Unbalanced and buggy updates are more likely to drive people away than a lack of updates. The game simply doesn't need to change every month, not even every couple of months. If you find the game boring, ''go and do something interesting and different yourself''. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 09:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. Lots of rushed, unbalanced updates would simply destroy the game (and it has nearly [[On Strike|got to that point]] before.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Finally someone who agrees with me!!! Why drag out updates?--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 21:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:"the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats" - Just so you know, I'm neither. Carry on. -- {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 01:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm actually the only sysop to comment in this conversation - and I did it [[Talk:Main_Page#Out_of_date.3F|here]] (with the exception of Karek, who'll be [[A/DM|demoted soon.]]) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I find myself in the middle of this arguement, in terms of the two sides. On the one hand, I don't want Kevan to break the game balance every week, fix it and then break it in a different way the next week, but on the other I feel that an update is about due.<br />
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Besides, I think an update every two months or so isn't much of an ask, even if its just adding an item from the PR suggestions. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Can we please close this topic? Everyone wants to say something about Jerrel's ridiculous statement but I don't think it's worth the spam that it's leaving on Kevan's page. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 12:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Im sure on the 1st of april there will be an update. usually is! {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
Hey!!!! Everyone that wants an update should get together and go on strike!!!!!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 17:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Stop talking now. A strike for something as lame-assed as this is nothing short of pitiful. You are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
[[Image:Update.JPG]] because i had already done this and it seems a shame to waste such a half assed effort. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with both sides of this. I believe we need updates BIG TIME, but I also believe Jerrel has no right blaming Kevan. He's probably a busy man. As for a strike: No. Plain and simple. Now, can we stop spamming Kevan's pages please? Kthzbye. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 03:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::What do we so badly need an update for? The game is well balanced and has a fairly complex and robust play. More fiddly little detail skills likely won't improve that play any, and won't draw in / hold onto more players. {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 06:40, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
Why won't Kevan Reply back to this?<br />
<br>I know i was being kind of offensive to you Kevan, so sorry.<br />
<br> But would you mind telling me WHY you won't update the game?<br />
I mean, you gave us two new cities last year!<br />
<br> and i appriciate it, but the game hasn't been updated since 2008!<br />
so, if you don't mind, i would really like to hear what you have to say.<br />
<br> (And please don't flip out on me, even though I have been a jerk)<br />
<br> And i'm also apologizing for being a jerk too.--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 01:33, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Making new cities brings in motherfuckin' cash money. Adding skills and what have you doesn't. Comprende? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:28, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:We had an update just 15 days ago! --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 08:55, 16 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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WE DID NOT! LOOK AT THE FREAKING UD START PAGE! NO UPDATE-PREHENDA?----[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 04:18, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:Erm, the [[April Fool's]] Day update, the one that happens every year? My god you're dense. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:01, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
<nowiki>*facepalms*</nowiki><br />
<br>Sorry kevan, i usually get all my updates from the game.<br />
<br>nothing unusual happened to me on april 1st though.<br />
<br>i think i'm losing myself.<br />
<br>I AUTHERIZE TOPIC SELF-DESTRUCTION!--[[User:Jerrel Yokotory|Jerrel Yokotory]] 15:52, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:In a word: Fail. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:59, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::He spams Kevan's talk page with so much crap I want to take him to VB... {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 00:36, 19 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:::I still say kevan should get some people to help him run the game, its rather fun and large for one person ot have to run alone. Oh and I'm not saying me, no I'd abuse it by banning a 4rth of the game and making revives harder again.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 23:58, 23 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Donated Characters == <br />
Any chance that the "This character is no longer affected by the IP limit." banner that appears on your profile if you have donated $5 could be shown to everyone that visits the profile, not just the owner of the profile.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:exhibitionist. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
::And proud.--[[User:Thekooks|Kooks]] 18:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I think there's people who would not want that. Maybe if it was an option you could allow / turn off via settingas? {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 05:39, 18 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I'd have it say "This character has been donated for.", but really, it's basically just showing off – link to your wiki page from your profile and [[Template:Donated|show off there]]. Oh, and I think you meant to post this in [[Developing Suggestions]]. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 08:12, 20 April 2009 (BST)<br />
:I would totally come back to just pk people who have donated.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 04:37, 26 April 2009 (BST)<br />
::You've left?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 16:17, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Standing Zombies ==<br />
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Kevan, I can't find the topic from last time around, but the borehamwood stats. Standing zombies means literally that doesn't it. Active zombies with greater than 0 hit points? Not just active zombie characters? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:52, 28 April 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Question about the last Update ==<br />
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"Survivors are once again looting the long-abandoned seasonal storerooms of the city's shopping malls, to find lights and trees for their safehouses." I'm assuming Christmas season in Malton is really long then, just wondering what kind of in game explanation we could use, --[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 00:01, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
:"The snow has subsided and survivors are ready to feel bad about themselves again". Not that an explanation matters. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 03:11, 1 May 2009 (BST)<br />
::No, it's just5 that it seems awkward ot explain why we are still getting christmas trees in the middle of spring thats all: and we might wanna get a explanation, or kevan could take them out in a mini-update.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] 01:52, 2 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Where to suggest technical issues? ==<br />
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I have gathered [[User:Tumu/GameTech|a list of technical issues]] which might need a look (as they have been unfixed since 2007), but they don't exactly fit the bug reports page either (not user visible/annoying issues). Would this be more appropriate place to get a review for them? --[[User:Tumu|Tumu]] 09:26, 25 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:They do seem unlike those that go to [[Bug Reports]], but I think the best place ''would'' be to take them there. I'm only suggesting that however because no one else has given you any direction, and I apoligise for that. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 10:57, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Noted; there do seem to be a few weird oversights in there. Thanks. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:14, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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::Speaking of weird things, is it intentional for Flesh Rotters to get the benefits while alive? I'd have thought that since they were alive, their flesh wasn't rotting, so they wouldn't get the Flak+Body Building effects while alive. I'd like to know, because I'm going to make a suggestion to have it that way if its current effect is intended. if it's not intended, then this can be moved to Bug Reports. Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:41, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Bub's in danger! ==<br />
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Just so you know, a page dedicated to your character [[Bub]] is up for deletion. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 10:51, 28 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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Yeah kevan please come and save that great page...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:20, 29 May 2009 (BST)<br />
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== A few things ==<br />
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Firstly, about that MediaWiki upgrade. Sorry if I'm pestering you, it's just that it would be quite useful (an upgrade to Checkuser would be nice as well, I've seen screenshots of a later version and it looks like it streamlines the process a little.)<br />
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Secondly, a user asked me the other day (a few weeks ago) about a problem he was having in my chatbox:<br />
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{{Quote|VI|Link, I need haaaaalp! I'm trying to make a shoutbox, here. The problem: when I, to get rid of the horizontal scrollbar, use "overflo*w:auto" instead of "overflow:scroll" the wiki's spam filter won't let me use that code. I don't know if you can edit the spamfilter (I'm wiki illiterate), but do you know how I can fix this? Thanks a ton. VI 22:05, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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I confirmed it myself, and wrote<br />
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{{Quote|Linkthewindow|Hmm... that's really odd. I can't edit the spam filter (at least not what I know of,) but I need to as Kevan about something {*cough*MediaWiki upgrade*cough*) so I'll ask him then. For future reference, I'll need this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features page]. Linkthewindow Talk 22:29, 3 May 2009 (BST)}}<br />
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Finally, and on a pedantic note, would it be okay if you could turn the Guides namespace into a proper one? So [[Talk:Guides:Shelter]] is rendered as Guides talk:Shelter. As far as I know, there are a few in the Guide: namespace too, so we'll have some moving to do if this is done (sysops, of course.)<br />
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Thanks for your time. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:58, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:I second this nudge.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 13:03, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:"over<nowiki></nowiki>flow:auto" is a standard spambot trick for hiding all their links in a 1px div, which I think we were having trouble with a few years ago. The filtering is possibly hardcoded somewhere.<br />
:If there's general support for another namespace, point me at the discussion and I'll add it.<br />
:Updating MediaWiki is on the list, but below "update the actual game" at the moment. I'll fit it in when I can. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:12, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Okay, then thanks. It's not a big deal about the spam filter, I'll start a discussion at [[Talk:Guides]] (although I can't see it being a big deal) and thanks about the upgrade. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:15, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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Kevan will doo it! Also, happy very belated birthday (13 May?) assuming your Amazon wishlist is correct!<tt>:D</tt> --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:24, 1 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Oh, and don't [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Semi-protection|forget about this]] <tt>;)</tt>. And happy belated birthday! Only one month late. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:24, 4 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Suggesting Suggestions Change ==<br />
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I want your opinion on a proposed change I have to the Suggestions Layout. I’d think it would be more efficient to have a normal suggestions area, a clothing suggestions area, and a humorous suggestions area, all with links listed one after the other on the main voting page. I also see the humorous suggestions layout is a bit confusing, and I would recommend splitting it into 2 parts, the funny and the non-funny, then splitting it into the many categories (areas of effect) under each heading. I’d also ask if the humorous suggestions voting process would become something similar to the normal process, with each suggestion open for 2 weeks, but no SPAM votes (just FUNNY or NOT FUNNY). Would this be a viable option? I’d think the layout changes should at least make it easier to find and view them all.<br />
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I would also like to know if there’s a process for suggesting that certain stuff be added to the Frequently Suggested section on the main voting area. There seem to be some common ones I’d like to have added to the list.<br />
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I also have a question about the normal voting process that only you can answer. Does SPAM=STRONG KILL? I see it’s still a common issue today, and it’s still debated if you can vote SPAM for a strong kill, or only vote SPAM if a suggestion is game-breaking or horribly unnecessary. Also, could you check the voting guidelines section and make sure it matches whatever your decision is? Thanks.--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 22:46, 2 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:In too many years of wasted time here I don't recal Kevan ever directly commenting on suggestions (or indeed much of anything else) so I doubt he is going to start now. Personally I wouldn't worry about where a suggestion heads just so long as its not unjustly '''SPAMMED''' and that's pretty rare. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:51, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::He does things every once in a while, when it actually requires his attention. Normally his hands off approach works pretty well because we manage to handle everyhting.--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:58, 3 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Okay, well, what are your takes on this then?--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 18:11, 23 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Huge Ruin bug could leave the whole of [[Borehamwood]] caded in less than a month. ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, <br />
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Wednesday night a member of my borehamwood survivor group did a very large suicide repair, when he logged himself back on, he found he had 50ap and the building was repaired.<br />
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Thursday night, I attempted my own suicide repair and yet again the same thing happened.<br />
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We've done a lot of suicide repairs and as such we know that these were the highest repairs we have attempted. And they both worked. To check our findings, we asked another survivor to repeat the experiment, to confirm our spadework was correct. <br />
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It was. Not only that, but this survivor was able to enact the repair, recade the building to ehb and then enact ANOTHER suicide repair, which left them BACK on 50ap. In fact the survivor managed to repeat this 6 times. With one character. In one day. Before the 300 IP for one character kicked in. <br />
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At this time 4 of us survivors know the exact technique, but at least 10 others are pretty close to working it out (AP levels etc). I reckon by sunday all 51 survivors will have worked it out.<br />
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As it stands the whole challenge of surviving borehamwood is moot. We can't do coma repairs on 99% of buildings without this happening, and Im not expecting zeds to hang around with this giant loophole. It also destroys the smugness us survivors have from surviving for 6 months. <br />
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All 4 survivors who do know the trick have currently stopped repairing buildings within the range, but I can't control the whole population.<br />
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At the minute survivors could repair the whole of NE Borehamwood, Radlett or Elstree in a day, 1 survivor could reclaim the big brother house on their own, <br />
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Apologies for the lack of screenshots, but with permadeath as it is, we don't want to give away our position. <br />
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It seems to be a dupe of the following case on bug reports. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Bug_Reports#Massively_negative_AP_causes_AP_reset<br />
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Apologies for posting it here, but I felt the game breaking nature of this bug warrants the intrusion. Let me know if you need more details. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:Thanks. Building repair has now been temporarily disabled in Borehamwood and Monroeville, while this is fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 16:46, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::When you say massive repair, do you mean it's bringing you to under -255 AP? I could think of some weird wrapping thing happening when the AP gets too negative and it tries to make it positive or something, capping at the 50 AP norm. 255's the magic number for how large a single byte can represent. It's may have something to do with what type of data Kevin's storing AP with - integer, double, float, etc. (whoo edit conflicted by Kevan) --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:49, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::The cutoff point (Now its banned) is -150ap Any suicide repair that takes you below this value creates the reset. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::::Very strange... -150 to 50 is a range of 200, nothing particularly significant. Then again, I have no idea how Kevan coded AP regen. Now the big repair costs have come back to bite in an ironic kind of way, eh? :P --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 16:53, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Its quite a wide range. Theres probably been only a handful of such building in Malton's history. Borehamwood has a whole cities worth. If it takes a while kev can we have an amnesty in the cities? Those pesky zeds are always chewing on our cades. I wouldn't mind but I've only got one life. :).--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:55, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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:This bug has now been fixed, and repairs have been enabled again in the other two cities. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:08, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Thanks Kevan! Swiftly done I must say. May all your future updates be bug free.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:10, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
::Twenty minutes... I'm hella impressed. Thanks for fixing this. --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 17:18, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
:::Wut? But half way up are the oldest posts, then they go up, then they go down... Thsi page is confusing ...--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 21:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Pointless [[Borehamwood]] request == <br />
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Can we have a public broadcasting system too? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:57, 3 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks for updating ==<br />
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Just wanted to say thanks for updating the game, I realize it's probably not high on your list of priorities. I'm sure everyone who plays appreciates it. --[[User:Mike411|Mike411]] 00:25, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
: Same here, Thanks Kev --[[User:Imthatguy|Imthatguy]] 04:41, 4 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|This bug]] ==<br />
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As promised, I'm just giving you a heads up regarding [[Known_Bugs#UDToolbar.2FDiagnosis_display_error|this display error]] that happens when UDToolbar interacts with the new update. We suspected it was a clash between the UDToolbar's manual HP colouriser and the new update colouriser, and Moonshine was able to go through some code to try and give you a hand. You may have already seen it, but hopefully what Moonshine and others have done can help you. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 14:27, 6 July 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Grammar Error==<br />
Just so you know, there's a grammatical error in the Fort Transmitter broadcast message:<br />
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''You broadcast [message] on 25.97 MHz, the using the fort's secure channel.''<br />
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It isn't going to break the game or anything, but it does make it look a little... 'sloppy'. --{{User:Blake Firedancer/sig}} 21:54, 5 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:There is a page to report these [[Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead|here]]. --[[User:DanceDanceRevolution|<big><u><span style="color:DarkSlateGray">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkBlue ">ϑ</span><span style="color:DarkSlateBlue">ℜ</span></u></big>]] 03:30, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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:Fixed. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:18, 6 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== [[UDWiki:Open Discussion/Borehamwood How Was It For You?]] ==<br />
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Community opinions on Borehamwood Collected in one place. Hope it helps with future projects. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:07, 13 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Something that might give you a laugh... ==<br />
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Here I was bored and tired so I wrote this, I thought it might be funny and I think you may find it even more so given it's nature, [[Developing_Suggestions#TUCOK_-BBHHN-_.28The_United_Churches_Of_Kevan.29_-Blessed_be_his_holy_name- (The United Churches Of Kevan) -Blessed be his holy name-]] -[[User:Devorac|Devorac]] 09:16, 24 August 2009 (BST)<br />
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== Upgrading the wiki again ==<br />
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It's about that time of year. The wiki could use an upgrade, among the various features mentioned many times in the past that upgrading to a more up to date mediawiki version would provide as of [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] there is now a NewUsers log, which would be invaluable for catching throw away and vandal alt accounts like [[User:Izumi]] and [[User:3pwv]] used to use along with actually making user efforts to be welcoming like [[Welcomenewbie]] accountable and possibly useful. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14] also brought in the ability to view deleted user contributions(instead of just the current ones) for sysops, the ability to omit diffs after rollback, and a fix at least one particularly exploitable checkuser bug that would allow users to screw with the ability for sysops to search the logs.<br /><br />I'd mention some of the features in previous version updates but I'm sure by now you're pretty well aware of them as it's been brought up many times in the past. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14], though, would significantly increase the ability for sysops to do their jobs when dealing with actual page vandalism and adbot spam along with helping the wiki, in general, run more smoothly from day to day.<small>([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.15 1.15])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.14 1.14])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.13 1.13])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.12 1.12])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.11 1.11])([http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.10 1.10])</small>--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:40, 1 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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== FYI re: "satellite phone" ==<br />
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Hi. So I recently wrote a Greasemonkey script that adds a "satellite phone" to the game. It's a simple messaging system with a user interface that embeds itself into the game, by modifying the rendered page in the user's browser, as Greasemonkey does. The thing does resemble the in-game mobile phone quite a lot, by design. Here's [[DSS Satellite Phone|more info]].<br />
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This was discussed in Brainstock [http://s1.zetaboards.com/brainstock/topic/2220895/], and some people complained about it. It was said that this unbalances the game, "overpowers" a game item, bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages. This wasn't a general opinion--I certainly find it all a bit silly--but someone then suggested that what should be done would be reporting it to you, letting you decide if this extension is improper somehow.<br />
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I thought that was sensible, so I'm "reporting myself," in a way. Just posting it here as an FYI, so you are aware of this. Cheers. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 09:15, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:Sounds like the same kinda nonsense that would see forums done away with for everyone that isn't a survivor. That thread reads very much like the person who started it did so with that intent in mind. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:00, 4 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:: Hey that was me! I started that thread, you can clearly see my name :-( , I just started it as someone mentioned it in game and I was wondering about peoples views on it thats all.---[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 06:35, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::karek i have ''no'' idea what you're talking about whatsoever.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:18, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::''"bypasses game rules by e.g. allowing zombies to send messages"'', the whole thread cited is mostly a few people complaining because they don't like metagaming, not particularly even regarding the tool in question. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:19, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::That being said, email tends to get a better response rate/time from him depending on the title/content/sender. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:24, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::Right, cheers Karek. Thing is, I'm not really expecting a response, and I'm not comfortable spamming his mailbox with this. I really do think this is all rather silly. I'm sure the game will survive my script long enough for him to read this at his convenience here. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 06:14, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::From the sounds of it, it's just a script that facilitates metagaming. Like using MSN, or as we do, IRC... except done in-game. There's nothing zerg-tastic about it, nor does it collect data in ways that might be perceived as unfair, like DEMON or UDBrain. There's no reason to worry about what some git on Brainstock said (and BS is chock full of gits...), don't sweat it --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:20, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
:::::::Wonder what they say about us :*( --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 07:15, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
::::::::They don't think about us, because they're not aware we exist. Most BSers really aren't too aware that there's a whole big world of UD players outside their little board. Well, ok, I think many are vaguely aware that zombies have this forum called bar-something-dot-something. And I think most of them are aware of the DEM subgroup called Red Rum; but this subgroup was created to give the appearance of in-game competition, to get around Malton's strong antitrust laws, so it basically counts as part of their self-enclosed milieu. Finally, many of them have used the wiki, but none of them will ever admit it, it's ''that'' taboo a subject. But other than that, to BSers, there is little other than BS. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 07:25, 5 September 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Hello Kevan. No one pestering you on this page for over a month? Crazy. Just wondering if you were planning anything for [[Borehamwood]]'s big first birthday? Its only 2 days away after all........--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I know! Blow it up! --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Nuke the Big Brother House! Finally, some reality TV worth watching. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Or halve the size of monroeville everyday. No one would suspect that! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::-Let alone notice it. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|DarkSlateGray|Indigo}}-- 02:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Kill anything and everything in Malton. That would be a TRUE surprise.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 02:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I'd be interested to see if survivors could recover. --'''[[User:BobBoberton|<span style="color: #FF4500">Bob Boberton</span>]] <sup>[[The_Fortress|<span style="color: #6B8E23">TF</span>]] / [[The_Fortress/Dark_Watch|<span style="color: #778899 ">DW</span>]]</sup>''' [[Image:Littlemudkipsig.gif]] 05:29, 27 October 2009 (BST)<br />
::Of course we could! It would take about two weeks, but we could easily do it. If you wan;t ill explain on a talk page other than the big bosses. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Tommy guns. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 22:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Halloween update timestamps ==<br />
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Seem to be missing on the new kill messages [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/11-01-09_0100hrs_PRIVATE/IN_62-14__954-071-ba1.html example] also confirmed broken without any extensions/scripts {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 02:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I realise this may very well be a feature of the halloween event but with the changing of the kill messages the missing timestamps are a bit strange, just making sure you're aware {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 04:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, it's not just a lack of timestamps. I've noticed that all of the ones that lack timestamps are also for people that are not at my location. For instance, in [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Anubis_IV/urbandead/halloween_change_bug.png this screenshot], the ones with timestamps are for people actually at my location, while none of the ones without them were people at my location (there were more actions under those, but they all had timestamps and were for people at my location). It's also interesting that some of the groups of events that took place repeat themselves a few times, and that "to talk" showed up as a contact of mine, despite the fact that he isn't. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::<s>i'm guessing it's part of the halloween event thingy, i thought the implementation of the weapon name killings screwed up because there's no period or timestamp following but now i think about it it actually makes sense to neglect them if you're going to mass fake kill people... OHEY IS THAT SOMETHING SHINY OVER THERE *runs* {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 06:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)</s><br />
:::This doesn't seem to be like april fools where everything is just a joke but rather quite the serious bug, they're actual events happening elsewhere in the city {{User:MoonShine/Sig}} 11:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Fixed. Looks like there may have been some minor echoes from kills elsewhere in the city. It was a bug, but consider it an eerie halloween event. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Could I have a clarification, please? This bug didn't create events but some simply appeared in a different location from where they actually occurred. Correct? --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 12:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it was a bug, I can't be 100% sure. Don't kill anyone over it. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 20:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::Awww, man... Alright, then! *grins* Fair enough! --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 05:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Question about Malton ==<br />
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Is Malton considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_borough metropolitan borough] and a city similar to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester Manchester] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool Liverpool] or is it considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_county metropolitan county] with each suburb being a metropolitan borough? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Leave it to Akule to bring up a question like that. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 22:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I always thought of it as a city state. Like, I don't know, Monaco or something. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The same wiki that gives you the examples also gives the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malton,_North_Yorkshire answer]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::...yes, but I didn't think the fictional city of Malton was actually the real city of Malton. You know, based on the fact it is nothing [http://www.ryedale.co.uk/ryedale/malton/malton.html like it]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, there has been hints that it was based in England, but I was just curious to know how much of it was based on being located in England. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::You've never thought to know more about Malton? ;) --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::D'eh...MAYBE?!?--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 23:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Borehamwood throws up even more questions, as being based on dead set IT IS based in england. Borehamwood has no gun stores in its shopping centres, and only 2 railway stations and supermarkets, so it would appear Malton IS somewhere different. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Strike time==<br />
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I am hearby requesting a striking of a ban from my vandal record as i have reached the requirements as per policy. I will be placing this request on an assortment of your peers talk pages so as to insure that this time, my striking isn't mysteriously postponed so as to further tarnish my record despite no wrong doing on my part. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass. :/ --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 15:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Update-ah==<br />
So, what's the word on the updates being done to the wiki? Just making sure you don't forget ;) --[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> SA</span>]] 18:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Oh you dumb ass >:| {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Are you in support of the Copenhagen Summit?==<br />
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Bascially I'm asking if we're having snow this year. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It's on its way. And I'm fairly comfortable with the carbon footprint of a zombie apocalypse. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers. I was wondered that the server itself was snowbound, swindon being as cold as it is. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Just realised how badly this might screw perma death survivors. Hmm. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Hmm. How long is '''temporary''' Kevan? How many hours do they take to fade? Also some of the fields in permadeath cities don't look that snowy. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:17, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I can confirm this. Only one of the field colours has turned white.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's random, but averages to six hours. Fields should be fixed now. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 17:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::The fields are fixed.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 17:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Any chance of bloody snow for outdoor deaths? --[[User:Johnny Bass|Papa Johnny]] 02:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::it exists check it out [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/12-22-09_2100hrs_PRIVATE/OUT_15-78__210-11a-044.html] "thick snow splashed with blood" "Blood <br />
soaks into the snow." --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 02:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== urbandead.org ==<br />
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I presume you have probably seen this but it looks like a phishing site for peoples log in, just thought I inform you of it incase you want to take action.--[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 01:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
: If you check out the "revive que" there are [[MoB]] members as well as this gentlemen [[User:GasCandle]] who is banned from editing the wiki. I didn't dig much further into the "revive list" once I saw that gentlemen. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I looked a little further and the /whois looks made up http://whois.domaintools.com/urbandead.org which is why a few people have mentioned it might be a scam. --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー`)ノ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 02:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::The person who created the suspicious website has changed it. If you want to see screenshots from before it was changed, or see his explanation, see [[UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Ripf22|the A/VB case]]. --{{User:Jasonjason/sig}} 22:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Spawning]]==<br />
Just finished writing an article on it. I have a question that I can't really find out from spadework. If there were no Necrotech's in Malton below Heavily Barricaded, where would new Necrotech Assistant's spawn?<br />
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Also, UD is still only copyrighted until 2009 and I discovered a grammatical error I posted on the relevant page. Thanks. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Typos fixed. Under the current code, NecroTech staff would just start on the streets somewhere. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 08:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Cheers fearless leader. I wish you well with the April 1st update. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 08:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hey, lazybones! ==<br />
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When the fuck are you going to get around to fixing the Goddamn game? Love 'n' kisses --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 08:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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While you're at it, try to get urbandead popular again, the number of active characters is starting to drop below 20000, maybe it's time for some advertising, eh? --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 15:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Urban Dead might be popular if it wasn't such a broken game! What with the radical, nigh-unplayable imbalance that makes it utterly pointless to play a zombie. Oh, and that worthlessness carrying over to making it such a breeze to play a survivor. I mean there's absolutely no point in being a survivor when you can just stroll around the city without risking your neck. I mean even a large, dedicated horde of zombies (of which the game has, like, ''two'') can't hold back one tenth their number in survivors.<br />
:For a zombie apocalypse game, there are fuck all zombies and there is fuck all apocalypse. The only way anyone really has fun is either griefing or sitting around roleplaying all day. And who the fuck can grief properly when the game is a buggy, unfinished pile of shit that makes it literally impossible for one of the sides to win? Not to mention that if all you're doing in game is roleplaying, what's to stop you from just doing it on a forum? Oh wait, nothing whatsoever, which is why the fucking unofficial forums for this game have more action than the game itself.<br />
:Urban Dead is broken, Kevan shows no interest in even ''looking into'' the billions of problems it has, so you're better off closing your browser and playing Left 4 Dead or something. Y'know, that's the zombie apocalypse game where the survivors face a credible threat that can't simply be trounced by locking a door and pushing a vending machine in front of it. '''FIX THE FUCKING GAME.''' --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:38, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Have you chaps considered that you're horrifically ungrateful for a ''free'' game that's meant to be a 5 minute distraction? --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Some of us have actually given money to this game, by the way. It's not unheard of that people do pay for things online. If he removes the DONATE button then maybe we won't "have the right" to complain anymore, but until then I and others are paying customers wanting some damned customer service. But you keep that smug attitude because I'm sure it's helping you go far in life!--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not ungrateful, but I'd like to continue to play urbandead which I won't be able to do if the numbers of players keep dropping forcing Kevan to eventually pull the plug. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Well this "chap" thinks that if you're going to release something for public consumption, it shouldn't '''suck'''. The fact remains that the game is unbalanced, which makes it unfun. If, say, World of Warcraft made it so that the Horde had 1/10th the hit rate of the Alliance, Blizzard would be fucking crucified. Free or not, lousy design is lousy design. I'm not saying this out of ''entitlement'' or anything retarded like that, I am saying it as someone who wants to play the game without being gimped to fuck just because I want to be a zombie instead of a survivor. Of course, the alternative is for me (and the thousands of others who feel this way) to stop playing a game that is basically designed at the very basest level to screw us over. Then, WHOOPS! Goodbye donations and ad revenue! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 23:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I actually think that what 'ruined' the game (at least balance wise) was zombies... The very fact that they sucked to play forced people to either leave or organize, net result mega hordes that were basically unstoppable and forced buffs for survivors to give them a chance while making it even less rewarding to play a feral zed. To all intent and purpose this game has more sides than it was ever designed for. We have survivors and zombies but each of those are split into different play styles which the mechanics struggle to balance. Basically survivors are better at killing other survivors than zombies are and zombies often end up killing other zombies more than actual survivors. Hell, some survivors max out without even seeing a zombie and the game set-up makes it an unrewarding struggle to level a new character in a city full of veterans. At the end of the day I think this game needs to evolve before it dies.... New (short lifespan) cities are probably the best way forwards in my opinion because the early days with their actual struggle to survive against 'equals' are great fun, the sense of discovery of a new place also really adds spice too. But hey, too many people seem attached to their maxed characters that they hardly ever play anymore to even contemplate such a thing! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 00:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I think most of us will agree that ''something'' needs to be done, which is exactly what isn't happening or at least it seems that way. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Maybe fixing the '''ABYSMAL''' hit rates for zombies might help. I mean, ''supposedly'' I have a 30% chance of hitting with a bite attack against a given target for 1 AP. Now, I can easily spend (and have spent) 15 AP and only hit on that last, 15th attempt. What are the chances of this happening? Mathematically, you say it was (3/10)^15, or a 0.000001% chance. That isn't "bad luck", that goes beyond "bad luck" and into the realms of "your coding is so shitty if I saw it I would try to flush". There is actually more chance of me rolling the same number 10 times in a row on a regular six-sided die than there is of me missing that many attacks. But it happens, it happens frequently, and it's one of the billion reasons why this game needs a severe overhaul, and/or someone competent working on it. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 02:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::No one cares about your opinion. But is that why you've resorted to spamming Kevan rather than stick to your own 'zombie improvements' in your userspace; you realise no one cares anymore? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 02:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
Katthew actually makes some damn good points rather than resorting to ad hominem. [[Groove Theory]] would not be possible with a properly implemented RNG, but [[Bug Reports#Groove Theory is working again|oh, whoops]]! Also, Honestmistake, what game are ''you'' playing? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 10:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:These days? Mostly Bobwars (wigbl.com)... What exactly is it you don't agree with in my post though? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Sadly, I kinda agree with Honest, feral zombies have it extremely hard these days. They need to follow hordes around or just lay around and wait for destruction in their suburbs. Once the horde is gone though, their goes the bulk of your food. Its almost beneficial nowadays to be a killer or a survivor and thats it (assuming your not in a horde). --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 15:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Or just sit tight. Even a modest number of zeds can keep most buildings ruined. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I demand that the game be "fixed" so that those who can't get laid will have something to do before and after they masturbate! HELP THEM, KEVAN! You're their only hope... --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 17:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Well looky, a whole cluster fuck load of whining.<br />
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Want more people to play? Go and fucking recruit them yourselves. Don't ask Kevan to fork out even more from his own pocket so that your enjoyment of this free game is improved. You spend the money. You put the work in. Alternately you all could shut the fuck up.<br />
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Want some changes? The FAQ says quite clearly to put them through the suggestions system rather than whine here like a bunch of fucking fort dwellers. Want Kevan to build you your own city to your own ideas? He's done it before for distribution companies, just do the same thing they did. Pay the man. Kevan's a professional, pay him his hourly rate if you want something. You're entitled to shit for free. He's nice enough to continue to let the game be played for free, so let's say enough with the comparisons to the money gouging and spyware installing World of Warcrack. Ask the man nicely how much your own city would be, plus an hourly rate for any bugs that appear, plus a negotiated set figure of each major update. Then go have a bake sale, car wash or just start selling organs on the black market and give Kevan the money for the work you want him to do.<br />
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Put your money where your whining is. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 19:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Back when I was an admin and I moderated the Suggestions page with an '''IRON FIST''', it was still a worthless piece of shit. These days it is approximately fifty gajillion times more useless and shitty. Kevan doesn't read it any more than he reads any other section of this wiki, not even just because he's lazy as sin, but also because they're not worth reading. Also, I've already dragged people into this game. Maybe you remember [[The Dead]]? You know, the 10,000-strong superhorde that practically ''wrecked the entire fucking game?'' All me, bitch. I got that shit ''going''. Because unlike you, I am one proactive motherfucker who doesn't sit around doing shit-all.<br />
:So don't you fucking talk to me about recruiting people to play this game, you measly-mouthed little cumstain. I brought in more than you could possibly imagine with that withered rectum you call your brain. But hardly any of those people stayed around. Do you know why? Because '''''THEY GOT TIRED OF PLAYING A BROKEN PIECE OF SHIT GAME WHERE THEIR CHOSEN SIDE WAS DELIBERATELY NERFED AND FUCKED OVER AT EVERY CONCEIVABLE TURN.''''' That is what killed The Dead, you scurrilous prick-hungry cockholster - the fact the game '''sucks'''. We weren't beaten by any survivor group, we never even considered any survivor group to be more than the metaphorical bug on the windshield. Ten thousand zombies, motherfucker, and even with the ridiculously low hit rates, nonexistent RNG and inverse XP curve, we ruined your pathetic little world. If it hadn't been for all the flaws that UD has, driving away almost every single new player we drafted in, we'd have killed every last survivor in the city and turned it into a true zombie apocalypse.<br />
:So fuck you a million times up your gaping, cavernous asshole. I know what I'm talking about, and I know more about what ''you're'' talking about than you could ever hope to. Now sit the fuck down while the grown-ups have their chat, sweetie. We'll get you some crayons and glue, so you can cram them into your snotty orifices until you suffer fatal brain damage. Kiss kiss! --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 07:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Awww, poor cutie, is it too much if someone disagrees with you? I see you missed the major point, given you're ''so'' proactive and have such a large group of minions, why haven't you rallied them to donate a sum of money so that you can pay Kevan to make the game that you believe is fair? It's a very simple question. Kevan works for money, as proven by Borehamwood and Monroeville, if you want a map with your 'improvements' incorporating then you have to provide the same incentive that two distribution companies already did. Shouldn't be hard, after all you are ''"one proactive motherfucker"''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::There are points on both sides, but Katthew wins for making me laugh more than Is's logic makes sense.--[[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkTurquoise">Big</span>]][[User:Cyberbob240/Classifications|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> Cat</span>]] 08:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, what killed the Dead was all the whining survivors that couldn't handle a "zombie apocalypse" and needed the syringe find rate to be upped to almost 100%. But come on, Katthew, don't be a bitch. Little Issy's Mall Tour had what 300 zombies? Awwwww, that was the same number as the Central horde of the Dead. You know, back when it was winding down and most people wanted to be in the East or West coast Hordes. But, no, I'm sure he knows all about running big bad zombie hordes. I'd really like to know how much money The Dead generated for Kevan with ad revenue and people buying no IP limit. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 08:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Feeling left out DCC? Never mind, go create yourself a couple of new accounts to agree with yourself, that'll make you feel better. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Good gum, you're actually still whining. How clear does this have to be? '''Kevan doesn't owe you jackshit'''. It's a browser game that is '''free to play''' and pretty cool if you spend about 5-15 minutes on it. If you want a game that you can put all of your obsessive time into, then go ''buy'' one. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: As for the whole "I donated, so he '''owes''' me", the key is in the name; ''donation''. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 20:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Massively pointless question #95==<br />
The "Are you sure?" Messages received when you A) Attempt to buy brain rot, and B) Attempt to jump from a building. Do they count towards your IP hits? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'm going to say yes to the first (as it reloads the map screen) and no to the second as it's on the skills screen. The IP hits total is only known to count on the map screen, not on skills, settings or profile screens. Unless Kevan says different. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::oh, and I demand another easter egg hunt. Perhaps with bunnies this time around. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:03, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If he gets a hunt for chocolate eggs I want a button that allows me to nail sanctimonious pricks to trees as it's a much older tradition for this time of year. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 18:19, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::''Iscariot makes sly comment about organised religion.'' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:08, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: I'd like to see zombies replaced with rabbits for a day. Stronger bite! EAR DAMAGE. Hop for 1AP --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:49, 29 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Settling a bet==<br />
While you're here reading this, settle a bet for me, [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARapture&diff=1683378&oldid=1683265 do you enjoy all the money that zergers provide you?] -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 21:00, 30 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you're asking whether I give any leniency to players who've donated, when they've done something that would merit a character being disabled - no, I don't. Donation status doesn't factor into any of the alt-abuse or banning scripts. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 10:01, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
::I think the players in question are working off the assumption that them having more characters means more views of the ads connected in the game and that equals more money for you. It wasn't meant to question your impartiality at all, just a question of economics when connected to the game. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 10:35, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
:::No, this isn't a consideration when banning characters. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 11:08, 31 March 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Game updates==<br />
I'm sure things are updated regularly, for maintance, ect.,.... things that wouldn't normally be reflected in the game updates. Just out of curiosity, what is the current status of the "Game Updates" though? I noticed there seems to be a lack of them here latly (not that it's a bad thing, or that I mind), it's just that I was curious as to your thoughts, and opinions on the subject.... -{{User:Poodle_of_doom/signiture}} 04:27, 7 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==April Fools?==<br />
A couple days before April Fools i was surfing the wiki and decided to look it up. The pranks there were hilarious! Especially the 2008/2009 ones. I couldn't wait to see what would come out next. But nothing happened and the wiki said you didn't do anything. Any specific reason? And yes i know Kevan is busy and yes i know we're thankful its a free game i'm just curious --{{User:Gt71/Sig}} 21:52, 27 April 2010<br />
:I was actually halfway through some other updates in late March, and decided against diverting any of that development time for an April Fool's joke. In the end, I didn't have time to put anything live - April's been busy, but I hope to get back to those main updates in the next week or so. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 12:37, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
::Excellent. Kevan, as you're here, with the perma death cities is it fair to assume all updates are carried over into all three citys? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:22, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Pretty much. If a mechanic would unduly unbalance remaining gameplay in the other cities I'd make them exempt from it, though. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:29, 28 April 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hey Kevan==<br />
What's up? How are things in the real world? I haven't been around Urban Dead that often in the past few weeks, but it seems like little has changed... aside from the survivor/zombie ratio being the worst it's been in years, but that's besides the point. <br />
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On that note, would you happen to have an opinion on the "[[Escape]]" gathering in western Malton? <br />
Just thought I'd say hi, --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 07:36, 5 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Open Accounts==<br />
Currently, in Woodborne NT in Owsleybank, there are a few characters with names that make it blindingly obvious that they're open. Their names are [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1012934 mypasswordispassword], [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1743445 mypasswordispenis], and [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1367615 mypasswordishelpme]. Knowing your stance on open or communal accounts, I decided to bring them to your attention. --[[User:Shank Case|Shank Case]] 02:06, 25 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== June 1 ==<br />
It seems appropriate on this date of great expectation (Read that: ESCAPE) to reflect on a simple fact; I have taken many hours of pleasurable distraction from your game. I have enjoyed meeting people from around the world and the various schemes and factions they have created using your game as a springboard for their own creativity. While I live in New England, I have traveled to the other side of the globe and yet-I can honestly say I "know" more people around the world as a result of this little game then in all those thousands of miles of travel. So while I have "contributed" it would seem at least good manners to say thank you for what you have done. I have only been playing for close to a year, and I hear many folks voicing opinions about the "state of the game". I just thought it might be appropriate to suggest that the reason they feel so strongly about it is because it is a flexible well designed system that has added millions of hours of gaming to people worldwide. So, thanks for your efforts and creativity.--[[User:Belisarius17|Belisarius17]] 04:50, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Nudge ==<br />
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That pre April updates taking its time now. The anticipation is killing me. There's some discussion going on about changes to Monroeville. Is it something you would consider, or as it was sponsored by others are your hands tied about what you can do with it? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:57, 26 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:Well UD's 5th birthday is coming up on July 3rd, we can cross our fingers and hope it's the update we've been waiting for. I hope it's another Easter Egg hunt, but with potatoes! -- [[User:Sockpuppie|Jelly Otter]] 07:27, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
::my paper hat is a bit battered. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:49, 29 June 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Happy Birthday! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:51, 3 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Update me already.... :) -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:32, 9 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Radio Filter ==<br />
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[[Image:RFilter.png]]<br />
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Apparently, the radio filter also affects the military channel (25.96MHz). There any way to disable it on this station? {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 19:46, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:Teehee. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:48, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Muhahahahaha. Is it [[The Mycock Building|Mycock]] ? shits so [[ALiM]]. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:37, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::ps wtf is this radio filter and where did it come from? user made or kevan made? etc etc{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 06:39, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::If you broadcast something vulgar, it will replace the word with *static*. It's been this way since the introduction of radios. The problem is that many buildings contain the word cock, and thus can't be broadcast. It's been brought up before, but they didn't mention the EMR channel. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 06:51, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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Epic design flaw fail! If only Kevan didn't have such a dirty mind! --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 11:17, 12 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Offensive in-game names? ==<br />
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Are there any rules re what one can name their character? Are there not ''any'' limits? I recently ran into NIGGERHATER88 (yes, all capitalization - that's a copy/paste) and they're not a new character by any means - really? Really?! --[[User:Swingin' Sam|Swingin&#39; Sam]] 19:00, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:If you don't like someone, kill them. It shuts them up in real life, why wouldn't it work here? --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 19:07, 19 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:fuck off it's a free game suck it the fuck off or go play wow. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 08:10, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::Just for your information, 88 means HH — the Hitler salute. This guy is definitely a Neo-Nazi.<br />
::If Kevan isn't going to ban him, then killing him is the way to go. Just treat him like a [[Ignore List|text rapist]]. I'm against PKing in general, but such despicable people deserve it.<br />
::And the above poster could benefit from [[Civility]] as well. -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 22:04, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::I just love you militant anti-nazi types. You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs ''is fascism itself''. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means ''allowing'' people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:12, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Or more likely, he's simply a troll. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, for the reasons Mis outlined. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:17, 20 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::^ --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 00:18, 21 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::<3 mis. {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 07:48, 22 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Deadline ==<br />
[[Image:Emot-argh.gif|100px]] --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 18:22, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
:{{Quote|Buzz Lightyear|You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.}}<br />
:[[Big Bash 3|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-size: 80%">&hearts;</span>]] [[User:MoonShine|<span style="color:Black">'''Moonie'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:MoonShine|Talk]] | [[User:MoonShine/Testimonials|Testimonials]]</sup></small> 12:51, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::<span title="He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's pro-zombie, as it obviously needs to be.">I disagree. He can take as long as he wants. He never should have said how long it would take, but at least we know he's making sure it's fair and balanced.</span> --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 20:20, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::Two Months later, Kevan responds by implementing [[20070314_Zombie_Rocket_Launchers|Zombie Bazookas]].--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 20:31, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::Noes! Still, I don't think working with a deadline is a good idea if your not going to keep it. --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 20:39, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::He must have had a problem coding [[Suggestion:20100616 Binocular Sniping|Binocular Sniping]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:40, 2 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Hate\Race based groups ==<br />
What are your views on Urban Dead being used by Hate groups ?<br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Combat_18<br />
With the user using imagery in attempt to bring race into the game. Eg: <br />
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Cornholioo<br />
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I don't this is the actual RL group, just some pathetic little teen with anger issues. But still ? Should we look forward to the arrival of the KKK. Al Queda(?), Black Power, Mongrel Mob and the Care Bears ?<br />
--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 20:36, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Look just two headers above this. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:43, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::Why ? - this isn't about offensive names in-game as I email those to Kevan. Its about losers spewing their race\religion hate in the wiki thinking that they have the "right to". Didnt some of pH get banned for the 9\11 phased crap in game ?<br />
:From what I gathered of the YouTube video Cornholioo posted, it does look like Combat 18 is an actual, real life neo-Nazi group. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:15, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::They are. There was an old Louis Theroux doc on them. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:17, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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Shall I make the Red Hand Commando's\Real IRA\Al Qeada pages now then and target any British\US based group ?--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:04, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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{{Quote|Misanthropy|You never see that banning/punishing/shunning/etc someone based on their political beliefs is fascism itself. Freedom from fascistic forms of rule inherently means allowing people to believe what they want, and if this guy's a neo nazi, then that's his freedom to choose.}}<br />
{{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:05, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::Jesus its like talking to school children. This isn't real life, this isnt a political arena, people have no politcal rights here. This is a game and what Kevan says gos.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:10, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::Yes it is like talking to school children. In five years has anyone ever been banned for anything other than zerging? No. Not once. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:16, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::This isn't about ingame characters (Also back in 05 I beleive offensive names were also nuked) this is about the wiki policy on HateGroups. The wiki is different to ingame as a user can contact any group or individual in a split second? and post there hate imagery\text on any page. Yet there is no policy only the rustling of paper under the false pretence any user here actually has any rights at all.. --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:29, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::If it's about the wiki then you'll get nowhere, there's not a single sysop corrupt enough to ban users/groups based solely on their beliefs. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:32, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Well obviously thats why I'm posting here as this isn't real life so a users beliefs don't come into it, but what they post on wiki pages. Being non-white I take offense at that and the wiki administartion deosnt appear willing to act --[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:44, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::We are not going to act. We're not going to ban groups based on content. [[Columbine Kids]], [[Nazi Party of Malton]], etc, etc, have not been banned, nor will this one. Yes it is offensive to people. So is the insult "faggot" but nothing has ever been done about its usage, nor about a million and one percieved wrongs. All you have to do is simply ignore the one sole user causing your offense, and he's liable to end up getting himself banned anyway, or he'll wander off due to not being given the attention he craves. Asking for the rules to be different for one group of users than for another is just wrong. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:49, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm asking for Kevans opmnion , not yours otherwise I would have posted on your talk page.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 22:51, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::As much as we'd all love to see less hate here,... you're arguing against one of the wiki janitors,... you know, the guys who take care of this place on Kevan's behalf... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:55, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::Yes I have seen the sterling work you perform on his behalf, however I dont think there is a difference between a) banning a user ouright (Where race hate has no place in a simple game(not real life)) and b)Or saying he id allowed his views but then have wiki administrators trolling the user with a view to entrapping him into a rant, thus leading him to his ban. I would have thought a janitors role was to be impartial and not provoke a user knowing how he will react--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 09:56, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::I agree with some of your sentiments and I understand your concern about some of the ops and their behaviour going against a role model status on the wiki- but situations like this only prove that a sysop- janitor as you say- is exactly that- a regular user with the buttons only given to those entrusted not to misuse it- it's been a long lost fact to this wiki that sysops are still regular users, and should behave as such, which is why using sysop status as a symbol of authority over another user is serious misconduct. Do I give Cornholioo a hard time? For sure, but that's not so I can just go to A/VB and force his banning- I abstain from conflict of interest situations such as his recent banning because I know that following through my pestering actions with bias as a mod is abuse. The ops aren't specifically here to be looked up to, although I still understand where you're coming from and I partially agree that Cornholioo is getting a hard time compared to any other user in terms of sysop bias. I do think it's a shame this perceived bias is being overlooked by the community just because of the user in question. I was surprised the amount of ops who said yes to his permaban, and it's worth noting that the sysops who pester and bait him the most were the ones who voted no to the perma. Typically a perma is only for someone who is literally just trying to break the wiki on a regular basis, not someone who gets baited weekly, and if that was your assessment of the vote I agree with you. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 13:30, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==Invitation==<br />
{{RIAC Invitation}}<br><br />
You know you want to find a group and join.... -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 22:57, 5 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mediawiki Update (2) ==<br />
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Hey Kevan, just to let you know [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Update the Wiki Software (2)|this policy]] requesting a mediawiki has been passed. It asks if you can go up to 1.15.4 but the newest version (which came out while this went voting) is 1.16.0 and if you could find some time to upgrade that would be awesome. =) Thanks from us all. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:25, 6 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Another note that image undeletion is enabled by default on the new software. Enabling image undeletion will increase disk usage (as "deleted" images won't really be deleted, but hidden,) so you might want to consider disabling it and keeping the status quo. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:12, 7 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Virus Advertisement ==<br />
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Um... Kevan, I'm not sure if it's your concern, but one of the advertisements in the UD log-in screen is probably a hacking scam.<br />
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The advertisement, for a game called "Slum City Enforcer" lead to this link http://www.iwon.com/dl/index.jhtml?theme=slumcity2&partner=ZLxdm256&spu=true&sub_id=1579&clickid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000&ce_cid=00088R0000001aolPI3qI3pBSu000000<br />
When I clicked on Play Now for the game, it tried to download a trojan, which my anti-virus caught. <br />
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I really hope you can block this bad ad from Urban Dead. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 03:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:If I'm not mistaken, the UD site, and wiki, tend to make use of Google Ads,... which help generate profit for the site. That said, there is very little Kevan could probably do about it, aside from removing the ads themselves. That said,... that would be counter productive. I hope Kevan gets back to you though.... He probably knows more about it than what I do. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 04:18, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:: It is based on google advertisement, I used to get so much stuff for Umbrella's when I was in Umbrella and then UBCS. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 06:00, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:::The last time we were hit with malicious ads (The urbandead.org phishing site bought out the wiki sidebar) an administrator contacted the ad agency and had them remove the ads. If you're sure that this is a malicious link, file a report with [http://www.google.com/ads/adwords/ Google Ads]. You've experienced what happened, so you're best suited to explain why this is a bad link.<br />
:::Also, I spammed refresh on one of the screens that displayed ads, and this site never came up. There's a chance it's already been reported and/or expired. {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 06:57, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::[http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/iwon.com/summary/ McAfee seem to think it's okay], for a debatable value of "okay", but I've blocked it from my sites on the off-chance. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:34, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::::: Thank you Kevan! You're awesome. --[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 23:25, 13 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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==<s>Early August</s> Mid August.==<br />
That is all. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:30, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:The more you bug him, the more he'll put it off!!! You're tiring him! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 10:32, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
::It takes 5AP to read his talk page, and a game update is like a 500AP suicide repair.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 10:33, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
Brilliant man.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2}} 11:45, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
:Pretty sure I just fucking jizzed -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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/thread -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:46, 16 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Because I can't think of anoither place to put it ==<br />
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I am formally lodging a complaint that this game, the city of malton and this wiki, have a decidedly and unfair British/English/insert other term Bias in terms of names, time, spelling, ect.--[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 01:19, 18 August 2010 (BST)</div>Mikalos209