https://wiki.urbandead.com/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Pillsy&feedformat=atomThe Urban Dead Wiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T08:35:33ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.37.1https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Pillsy/Special_Agent_Mulder&diff=1203322User:Pillsy/Special Agent Mulder2008-06-27T22:37:33Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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<div>Welcome to my character page for [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=630081 Special Agent Mulder]. Since he is a PKer and gets up to alot of things that need to be recorded I thought it fitting that he has his own area.<br />
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Currently I am running the Red Rum Battle Royale so Mulder will be fairly inactive for a while. It's a tough job you know...<br />
==[http://www.ud-malton.info/rg/i/630081 Rogues Gallery]==<br />
'''PK Reports''' - 19<br><br />
'''Total Bounty''' - 94<br><br />
'''Total Claimed''' - 16<br><br />
'''Current Bounty''' - 78<br><br />
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How does that one work eh?<br />
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==Kill List==<br />
Welcome to my personal kill list, this is so I can keep a track of people I have killed during my travels across Malton. I try and adhere to a one kill per person but exceptions can be made, especially if that person is a bounty hunter. I will only number the first kill. Any Bounty Hunter who is on the Rouges Gallery for Bounty Hunters will be highlighted in '''Bold''' as I go for my Cop Killer award. They will only be in bold for the first time they were killed.<br />
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{| style="border:solid 1px white; border-collapse:collapse; width:60%"<br />
|- <br />
! style="width:20px" | <br />
! style="width:200px" | Name & Profile<br />
! style="width:150px" | Kill<br />
! style="width:300px" | Date<br />
|-<br />
|<br />
| '''UD Hunter Hunter Kills'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 1<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=323252 Riser]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/Riser.jpg Kill]<br />
| 13<sup>th</sup> September 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 2<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=226136 KStxGirl3]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/KStxGirl3.jpg Kill]<br />
| 18<sup>th</sup> September 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 3<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=401775 Owan Glimmerfeld]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/OwanGlimmerfeld.jpg Kill]<br />
| 21<sup>st</sup> September 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 4<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=429304 yankstar]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/yankstar.jpg Kill]<br />
| 23<sup>rd</sup> September 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 5<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=599145 PHADE to black]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/PHADEtoblack.jpg Kill]<br />
| 27<sup>th</sup> September 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 6<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=589498 JuIes WinnfieId]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/JuIesWinnfieId.jpg Kill]<br />
| 28<sup>th</sup> September 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 7<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=611302 Kinrath]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/Kinrath.jpg Kill]<br />
| 5<sup>th</sup> October 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 8<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=297802 Michael Callahan]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/MichaelCallahan.jpg Kill]<br />
| 7<sup>th</sup> October 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 9<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=499612 LuellaStrong]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/LuellaStrong.jpg Kill]<br />
| 7<sup>th</sup> October 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 10<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=179240 Keichix]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/Keichix.jpg Kill]<br />
| 9<sup>th</sup> October 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 11<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=598130 Calliope Grieve]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/CalliopGrieve.jpg Kill]<br />
| 13<sup>th</sup> October 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 12<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=417574 DeusExMathias]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/DeusExMathias.jpg Kill]<br />
| 14<sup>th</sup> October 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 13<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=270840 Jack Telan]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/JackTelan.jpg Kill]<br />
| 24<sup>th</sup> October 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 14<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=462134 juaramos]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/juaramos.jpg Kill]<br />
| 27<sup>th</sup> October 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 15<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=531241 blaze bayley]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/blazebayley.jpg Kill]<br />
| 29<sup>th</sup> October 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 16<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=470644 Harvey Carlson]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/HarveyCarlson.png Kill]<br />
| 30<sup>th</sup> October 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 17<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=484743 Desert Byproduct]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/DesertByproduct.png Kill]<br />
| 4<sup>th</sup> November 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 18<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=407885 Francesco Totti]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/FrancescoTotti.png Kill]<br />
| 12<sup>th</sup> November 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 19<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=294435 Token Black Man]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/TokenBlackMan.jpg Kill]<br />
| 15<sup>th</sup> November 2006<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
| '''Red Rum Kills'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|- <br />
| 20<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=687320 Sgt Zoigberg]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/SgtZoigberg.png Kill]<br />
| 27<sup>th</sup> November 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 21<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=643442 submittedconformity]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/submittedconformity.png Kill]<br />
| 27<sup>th</sup> November 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 22<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=424338 Strong Corpse]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/StrongCorpse.png Kill]<br />
| 27<sup>th</sup> November 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 23<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=164462 Fat Chicken]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/FatChicken.jpg Kill]<br />
| 29<sup>th</sup> November 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 24<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=670087 Micro Neon]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/MicroNeon.jpg Kill]<br />
| 29<sup>th</sup> November 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 25<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=722317 Wolf Blade]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/WolfBlade.jpg Kill]<br />
| 29<sup>th</sup> November 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 26<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=237573 A guye]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/Aguye.png Kill]<br />
| 29<sup>th</sup> November 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 27<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=528775 Rablenkov]<br />
| [http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/528/urbandeadthecity1165359ub6.png Kill]<br />
| 4<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 28<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=497365 Captain Creedy]<br />
| [http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/528/urbandeadthecity1165359ub6.png Kill]<br />
| 4<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 29<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=711002 Pineal]<br />
| [http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/528/urbandeadthecity1165359ub6.png Kill]<br />
| 4<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|- <br />
| 30<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=712077 lukaszmacias]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/lukaszmacias.jpg Kill]<br />
| 5<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 31<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=420484 Lt Monahan]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/LtMonahan.jpg Kill]<br />
| 8<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 32<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=312327 keough]<br />
| Not Available<br />
| 10<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 33<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=411276 KatieS]<br />
| Not Available<br />
| 10<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 34<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=678694 dyrak3]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/dyrak3.png Kill]<br />
| 10<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 35<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=629135 Dead but now I live]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/DeadbutnowIlive.jpg Kill]<br />
| 11<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 36<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=696459 div shenbeast]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/divshenbeast.jpg Kill]<br />
| 12<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 37<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=735908 tututu]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/26joachimmassacreswfw3.png Kill]<br />
| 20<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 38<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=667493 saviour5000]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/26joachimmassacreswfw3.png Kill]<br />
| 20<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 39<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=728926 Joe Armyschmo]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/26joachimmassacreswfw3.png Kill]<br />
| 20<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 40<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=144698 Zazie]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/26joachimmassacreswfw3.png Kill]<br />
| 20<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 41<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=732968 David Fletcher]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/DavidFletcher.jpg Kill]<br />
| 21<sup>st</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| =<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=270840 Jack Telan]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/JackTelan.png Kill]<br />
| 23<sup>rd</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 42<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=438640 MisterFixIt]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/MisterFixIt.png Kill]<br />
| 24<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 43<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=660619 Sgt Napalm]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/SgtNapalm.png Kill]<br />
| 24<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 44<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=622211 Zarazar]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/Zarazar.jpg Kill]<br />
| 27<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 45<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=195724 Stupid Daikon]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/StupidDiakon.jpg Kill]<br />
| 28<sup>th</sup> December 2006<br />
|-<br />
| 46<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=594927 Captain Pasty]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/CaptainPasty.png Kill]<br />
| 9<sup>th</sup> January 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 47<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=628138 That Shambling Brain]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/ThatShamblingBrain.png Kill]<br />
| 9<sup>th</sup> January 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 48<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=633011 James Alby]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/JamesAlby.jpg Kill]<br />
| 1<sup>st</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 49<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=22149 The Red Joey]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/TheRedJoey.jpg Kill]<br />
| 1<sup>st</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 50<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=564468 FireMarshallBill187]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/FireMarshallBill187.jpg Kill]<br />
| 1<sup>st</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 51<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=356798 Tommy Rage]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/TommyRage.jpg Kill]<br />
| 1<sup>st</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 52<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=583158 Pannetond]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/Pannetond.jpg Kill]<br />
| 2<sup>nd</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| =<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=531241 blaze bayley]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/blazebayley.jpg Kill]<br />
| 8<sup>th</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 53<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=605802 superdork]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/superdork.jpg Kill]<br />
| 13<sup>th</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 54<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=740315 ZimmyDM]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/ZimmyDM.jpg Kill]<br />
| 13<sup>th</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 55<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=291341 cassias]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/cassias.jpg Kill]<br />
| 13<sup>th</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 56<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=668521 Vi spiezzo in 2]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/Vispiezzoin2.jpg Kill]<br />
| 13<sup>th</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 57<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=422050 Tiberius Bao]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/TiberiusBao.jpg Kill]<br />
| 15<sup>th</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 58<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=725747 Skull Hunter]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/SkullHunter.png Kill]<br />
| 17<sup>th</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 59<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=679258 Zombie Smurf]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/ZombieSmurf.jpg Kill]<br />
| 21<sup>st</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 60<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=786543 Dr Morgan]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/DrMorgan.jpg Kill]<br />
| 21<sup>st</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 61<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=411702 S Hadow]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/SHadow.png Kill]<br />
| 23<sup>rd</sup> February 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 62<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=299508 Arthur Erikson]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/ArthurErikson.jpg Kill]<br />
| 1<sup>st</sup> March 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 63<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=111925 Crawla]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/Crawla.png Kill]<br />
| 4<sup>th</sup> March 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 64<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=410683 Mr Estrogen]<br />
| [http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/364/acklandeditedly5.jpg Kill]<br />
| 15<sup>th</sup> March 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 65<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=741769 Cain Bass]<br />
| [http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/364/acklandeditedly5.jpg Kill]<br />
| 15<sup>th</sup> March 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 66<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=809437 ZS Revitech]<br />
| [http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/364/acklandeditedly5.jpg Kill]<br />
| 15<sup>th</sup> March 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 67<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=754680 Minifest5]<br />
| [http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/364/acklandeditedly5.jpg Kill]<br />
| 15<sup>th</sup> March 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 68<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=168825 Aleck Roth]<br />
| [http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/364/acklandeditedly5.jpg Kill]<br />
| 15<sup>th</sup> March 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 69<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=768485 skeep]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/skeep.jpg Kill]<br />
| 16<sup>th</sup> March 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 70<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=709057 snapster]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/snapster.png Kill]<br />
| 17<sup>th</sup> March 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 71<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=184145 GarbleO]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/GarbleO.png Kill]<br />
| 17<sup>th</sup> March 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 72<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=701034 Raven Nyx Raynes]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/RavenNyxRaynes.png Kill]<br />
| 24<sup>th</sup> March 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 73<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=643126 DaMarqueDeFunkybunch]'''<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/DaMarqueDeFunkybunch.png Kill]<br />
| 24<sup>th</sup> March 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 74<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=718963 Capt Jack Harkness]'''<br />
| [http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captjackharknessdu3.png Kill]<br />
| 26<sup>th</sup> March 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 75<br />
| '''[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=771901 Billy K]'''<br />
| [http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6520/billykkb9.jpg Kill]<br />
| 2<sup>nd</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 76<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=824859 JefftheFireman]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/JefftheFireman.jpg Kill]<br />
| 5<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 77<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=826163 TillyFukUpFearie]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/TillyFukUpFearie.jpg Kill]<br />
| 5<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 78<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=826177 JohnHart]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/JohnHart.png Kill]<br />
| 6<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 79<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=826975 Mag1985]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Mag1985.png Kill]<br />
| 6<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 80<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=616896 LeyendX]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/LelendX.png Kill]<br />
| 7<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 81<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=782663 Reverend Vigilante]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/ReverandVigiliante.png Kill]<br />
| 9<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
|<br />
| '''Birthday Kills'''<br />
|-<br />
| 82<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=414870 James Dunsmore]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/JamesDunsmore.jpg Kill]<br />
| 10<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 83<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815048 Etrin]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Etrin.jpg Kill]<br />
| 10<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 84<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=831022 Saproling]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Saproling.jpg Kill]<br />
| 10<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
|<br />
| '''Back to Normal<br />
|-<br />
| 85<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=650746 jezter24]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/jezter24.jpg Kill]<br />
| 12<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 86<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=760067 Kal Palla]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/KalPalla.jpg Kill]<br />
| 12<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 87<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=259775 chimpoid]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/chimpoid.png Kill]<br />
| 15<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 88<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=174097 Salvatora]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Salvatora.png Kill]<br />
| 15<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 89<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=629275 Bubba Johnsson]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/BubbaJohnsson.png Kill]<br />
| 16<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 90<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=808123 Dead Man's Turd]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/DeanMansTurd.png Kill]<br />
| 16<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 91<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=639184 Clint Steele]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/ClintSteele.png Kill]<br />
| 16<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 92<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840082 Street Warrior]<br />
| ....so long ago....<br />
| 20<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 93<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=795722 Halo's Light]<br />
| ....so long ago....<br />
| 20<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 94<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=828648 MuKz]<br />
| ....so long ago....<br />
| 20<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| 95<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=833909 Ninety Proof]<br />
| ....so long ago....<br />
| 26<sup>th</sup> April 2007<br />
|-<br />
| <br />
| '''The Return'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 96<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1211782 Freeman21]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/The%20Return/Freeman21.jpg Kill]<br />
| 27th<sup>th</sup> June 2008<br />
|-<br />
| 97<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1219440 Roc Fever]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/The%20Return/RocFever.jpg Kill]<br />
| 27th<sup>th</sup> June 2008<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Awards==<br />
The awards I am talking about are the [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/site.php?reqpage=awards.html Player Killer Awards] which are awarded by [[Red Rum]]. This will detial the awards I have obtained and the awards I am on my way to obtaining.<br />
===Obtained===<br />
====Double Threat====<br />
To obtain this award you need to be on both the Resensetized PKer list and the DEM Rouges Gallery. [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/awards/awarded/dt_mulder.jpg Double Threat Plaque]<br />
====Kill On Sight====<br />
To obtain this award you need to be marked as Kill On Sight on the DEM Rouges Gallery. [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/awards/awarded/kos_mulder.jpg Kill On Sight Plaque]<br />
====Sharpshooter====<br />
To obtain this award you need to have killed 4 people in a 24 hour period and it needs to be on one unedited screenshot. [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/awards/awarded/ss_mulder.jpg Sharpshooter Plaque]<br />
<br />
Obtained by killing the following: [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/26joachimmassacreswfw3.png Screenshot]<br />
<br />
===In Progress===<br />
====Cop Killer====<br />
To obtain the Cop Killer award I need to kill 20 recognised bounty hunters, either from posts on Brainstock, Resenstized or on the Bounty Hunter Rouges Gallery. Recently took a step backwards as finding proof is a pain so I cannot include hunters that I can't find proof for.<br />
<br />
'''100% Complete'''<br />
<br />
{| style="border:solid 1px white; border-collapse:collapse; width:60%"<br />
|- <br />
! style="width:20px" | <br />
! style="width:200px" | Name & Profile<br />
! style="width:150px" | Kill<br />
! style="width:300px" | Proof<br />
|-<br />
| 1<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=226136 KStxGirl3]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/KStxGirl3.jpg Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=226136 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 2<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=429304 yankstar]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/yankstar.jpg Kill]<br />
| [http://z14.invisionfree.com/Brainstock/index.php?showtopic=67&st=630#entry7755851 Post on Brainstock]<br />
|-<br />
| 3<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=611302 Kinrath]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/Kinrath.jpg Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=611302 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 4<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=297802 Michael Callahan]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/MichaelCallahan.jpg Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=297802 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 5<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=499612 LuellaStrong]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/LuellaStrong.jpg Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=499612 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 6<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=179240 Keichix]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/Keichix.jpg Kill]<br />
| [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=1261.msg10619#msg10619 Post on Resensitized]<br />
|-<br />
| 7<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=462134 juaramos]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/juaramos.jpg Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=462134 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 8<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=531241 blaze bayley]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/blazebayley.jpg Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=531241 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 9<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=484743 Desert Byproduct]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/DesertByproduct.png Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=484743 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 10<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=407885 Francesco Totti]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/FrancescoTotti.png Kill]<br />
| [http://z14.invisionfree.com/Brainstock/index.php?showtopic=67&st=1320&#entry8602461 Post on Brainstock]<br />
|-<br />
| 11<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=294435 Token Black Man]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Urban%20Dead/Bounty%20Hunters/TokenBlackMan.jpg Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=294435 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 12<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=438640 MisterFixIt]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/MisterFixIt.png Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=438640 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 13<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=291341 cassias]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/cassias.jpg Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=291341 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 14<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=725747 Skull Hunter]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/SkullHunter.png Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=725747 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 15<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=411702 S Hadow]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/SHadow.png Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=411702 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 16<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=299508 Arthur Erikson]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/ArthurErikson.jpg Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=299508 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 17<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=111925 Crawla]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/Crawla.png Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=111925 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 18<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=701034 Raven Nyx Raynes]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/RavenNyxRaynes.png Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=701034 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 19<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=643126 DaMarqueDeFunkybunch]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/DaMarqueDeFunkybunch.png Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=643126 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|-<br />
| 20<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=718963 Capt Jack Harkness]<br />
| [http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captjackharknessdu3.png Kill]<br />
| [http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/gallery.php?action=detail&id=718963 Entry on Rouges Gallery]<br />
|}<br />
<br />
====Mall Rat====<br />
To obtain this award I need to kill one person in each of the malls in Malton.<br />
<br />
'''45% Complete'''<br />
<br />
{| style="border:solid 1px white; border-collapse:collapse; width:60%"<br />
|- <br />
! style="width:200px" | Mall<br />
! style="width:150px" | Victim<br />
! style="width:300px" | Kill<br />
|-<br />
| [[Ackland Mall]]<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=111925 Crawla]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/Crawla.png Kill]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Bale Mall]]<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=291341 cassias]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/cassias.jpg Kill]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Blesley Mall]]<br />
| ''None Yet''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Buckley Mall]]<br />
| ''None Yet''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Caiger Mall]]<br />
| ''None Yet''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Calvert Mall]]<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=22149 The Red Joey]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/TheRedJoey.jpg Kill]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Dowdney Mall]]<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=420484 Lt Monahan]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/LtMonahan.jpg Kill]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Giddings Mall]]<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=528775 Rablenkov]<br />
| [http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/528/urbandeadthecity1165359ub6.png Kill]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Hildebrand Mall]]<br />
| ''None Yet''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Joachim Mall]]<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=735908 tututu]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/26joachimmassacreswfw3.png Kill]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Lumber Mall]]<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=622211 Zarazar]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/Zarazar.jpg Kill]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Marven Mall]]<br />
| ''None Yet''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Mitchem Mall]]<br />
| ''None Yet''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Nichols Mall]]<br />
| ''None Yet''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Pole Mall]]<br />
| ''None Yet''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Stickling Mall]]<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=725747 Skull Hunter]<br />
| [http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/pillsy19/Red%20Rum%20Kills/SkullHunter.png Kill]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Tompson Mall]]<br />
| ''None Yet''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Treweeke Mall]]<br />
| [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=270840 Jack Telan]<br />
| [http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6215/mulderpkia4.jpg Kill]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Tynte Mall]]<br />
| ''None Yet''<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Woodroffe Mall]]<br />
| ''None Yet''<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Disclaimer==<br />
To any lower lever characters. I try to kill people who are above level 5. If you have been killed by me then one of the following events has occured...<br />
<br />
* You have been very low on HP.<br />
* It has been during a strike, during a strike I don't check profiles.<br />
* You have a retarded name and/or profile.<br />
<br />
Sorry for any inconvenience and chin up, as long as you don't become a bounty hunter I'll probably not kill you again.<br />
<br />
==Other==<br />
{{Valentines}}<br />
{{IdesOfMarch}}</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Caiger_Mall/Archive2&diff=594353Talk:Caiger Mall/Archive22007-03-15T09:54:54Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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<div>= Formatting =<br />
<br />
Maybe it's just me, but does anyone else see the huge gap in between the introduction paragraph and the table of contents? And if it's not just me, might someone know how to fix it? - [[User:Goron40|Goron40]] 00:14, 26 December 2006 (EST)<br />
<br />
Also, if news gets updated they should be altered accordingly. If the mall is breached, just say it has been breached and remove whatever was said before. It just clogs the page if we have lots of "UPDATE: This was posted 5 minutes after previous edit". Try to keep it clean, the page is clogged as it is. --[[User:Gethsemani|Gethsemani]] 06:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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I see a concerted effort to suck any life out of the Wiki. Lots of updates are the last atmospheric thing left. I would kindly redirect you to a certain episode in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, where a live journal kept by the dwarves of Moria is the powerful witness of their ultimate demise. But no, apparently the Wiki police would like to see just a short notice 'Update: All dwarves are dead'. [[User:Bluetigers|Bluetigers]] 07:58, 26 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Welcome to learning that there are actual human beings playing your opponents - humans who also have just as much right to use wiki as you and your side/faction/group. It's a shared resource; best to keep it open and accessible to everyone. If you want to chest-thump, you can spout your jingoist crap all over your own group's page.--[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 08:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
::Could you please at least try to be civil? Thank you. As of atmosphere, this game is played by two factions which would gladly genocide the other one if they could. I'd rather see history through their eyes, and not through some dull lenses that suck out all the action and emotion. Your pick is the the latter (though a bit hypocritical, Barhah Mall & all), my choice is the former. Heck, even the classified in my sunday newspaper are more live than the dullness on this page.[[User:Bluetigers|Bluetigers]] 08:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, if it's too dry, I suggest you drink more water. Also: learn to indent.--[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 08:53, 26 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
::::Are we just a little off subject here? - [[User:Goron40|Goron40]] 11:14, 26 December 2006 (EST)<br />
:::::I woud like to point out to [[User:Bluetigers|Bluetigers]] that that is why you have a personal page and the ability to write journal pages here and on other sites on the internet. While I do agree with your sentiment that we should keep atmosphere, the wiki pages are not the place for that. These pages are meant to offer information about locations, groups, items and what not in the game and should be treated as serious attempts at conveying said information. These wikipages are not our personal roleplaying boards, and should not become such either.--[[User:Gethsemani|Gethsemani]] 12:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=What a wonderful gift=<br />
=D<br />
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Caiger is finally back in Survivor hands. So much for the Zombie's plan to sleep here for Christmas.<br />
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=The Third Siege=<br />
As fun as it is to debate things like zerging and zombies using human spies, and whatnot, IT'S NOT NEWS. Bitch about it on here, not in the History section of the front page. <br />
==Fall of Caiger==<br />
Has it officially fallen into zombie hands yet? Later tonight, we shall see. [[User:Matt the Zombie|Matt the Zombie]] 08:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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At this point, there are around 300 zombies in the mall, i think its safe to say unless a co-ordinated strike happens to take it back, Caigar has fallen. Shacknews feast on limes and appleflappen, and rub themselves up against lamps, and theres not a single breather there to stop them.--[[User:Danalov|Danalov]] 02:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Zerging complaints==<br />
What I would suggest, if you feel people are zerging is contact Kevan (he does listen sometimes, as long as it's serious) or you could always report them to [[Zerg Hunters Unlimited]] as they are dedicated to taking down people who are zergers. Don't just pick on level one newbies though! How would you feels as a level 1 charcter when people were going ''ZOMG ZERG'' with no proof except your next to another level 1 charcter who joined the day before. Peace out. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 15:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Nov 6 - UNBELIEVABLY MASSIVE ZERGING''' uncovered in Caiger area. Check out [http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8339/fuckerson8.jpg this screenshot.] Now look at these ids. Nearly all of them are level 1 and joined between November 3 and November 5.<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=703810<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=702342<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=701372<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=703603<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=701848<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=703258<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=703672<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=703158<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=701492<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=702345<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=703133<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=702780<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=701918<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=700262<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=701287<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=667377<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=701327<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=703729<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=703208<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=701327<br />
http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=701831<br />
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The zombies would like to thank this zerger for the excellent buffet he just provided us. Good luck getting all those people revived, asshole! Love, Shacknews.<br />
:*Um... New firefighter characters always start in a random fire station, guys. And that's a range of 2000 or so character IDs.<br />
::*Ok, that makes a bit of sense. So what are these characters' excuses?<br />
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:::http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=700120<br />
:::http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=700182<br />
:::http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=700190<br />
:::http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=700171<br />
:::http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=702046<br />
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::The tradition of Caiger's cheaters lives on.... [[User:Jehrenzweig|DeathToSpam]] 03:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Nov 4''' - More evidence of [[Zerging]] in Caiger Mall -- does one stand with the Zergers, or against them?:<br />
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:You are inside Caiger Mall. Trails of looted debris litter the floors and escalators. The building has been lightly barricaded. There is a crowd of 558 survivors gathered here. [list names]<br />
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:Somebody has spraypainted GET YOUR ALTS ON REVIVING DUTY! onto a wall.<br />
::* To be fair, it's perfectly OK for people to play multiple characters in separate suburbs / quadrants of Malton. Of course, there are currently no penalties for playing multiple alts defensely: healing, reviving, barricading, etc. I doubt Caiger would be as tough if anti-zerging rules applied to both defenders and attackers. [[User:Jehrenzweig|DeathToSpam]] 03:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Nov 2''' - More zergers at Latrobe: [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=304750 Rathar of KEF] and [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=375282 Ray of KEF]. For the love of a living God, please run him out of the mall. --[[User:Appelflappenator|Appelflappenator]] 15:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=Multiblock Stub=<br />
I don't know what is happening but this one has suffered the same as [[St. Luke's Cathedral]] so I'll repair it for the mean time. It will show as Chudleyton/Darvall Heights. [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] <sup><span class="plainlinks">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net/index.php F!]</span></sup> 09:14, 31 August 2006 (BST)<br />
=HUMOR=<br />
[[Image:RRF-t-shirtjpg.jpg]]<br />
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<br />
== Prince of Caiger ==<br />
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I don't know whose fault this was... but I decided to record it for posterity. Anyone want to own up to it? --[[User:Ev933n|Ev933n]] 04:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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# A flare was fired 5 blocks to the west and 6 blocks to the south. (48 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "Now this is the story all about how my life got twisted upsi" (42 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "...upside down" (41 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "and I'd like to take a minute just sittin right there" (41 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "I tell you how I became the prince of a mall called Caiger" (40 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "In West Becktown I'm born and raised" (40 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "on an NT is where I've spent the most of my days" (39 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool" (39 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "working on the necronet for extra-cred in school" (37 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "when a couple of zeds, who were up to no good" (37 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "started making trouble in my neighbourhood" (36 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "I got in one little fight and my boss got scared" (35 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "and said you're moving in with the survivors of Caiger" (35 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "I begged and pleaded with her day after day" (34 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "but she packed my suitcase and sent me on my way" (34 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "she gave me a kiss and then she gave me my 'tracter" (34 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "I put my flak jacket on and said I might as well kick it" (33 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "I saw an empty cab as I came nearer" (32 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "the licensplate said Fresh and had a dice in the mirror" (32 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "if anything I could say that this cab was rare" (32 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "but I thought naw forget it, onwards to Caiger!" (31 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "I arrived at the mall about seven or eight" (30 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "I yelled to the zeds ..." *static* "... off, smell you later" (30 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "looked at my kingdom I was finally there" (29 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "to sit my throne as the prince of Caiger" (29 minutes ago)<br />
# You heard a loud groaning from very close by. (28 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "To whoever just did that Fresh Prince rendition, I say:" (21 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "Very good job! Mind if I copypasta it?" (20 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "Sure. Never give up and always habeeb in the final victory!" (17 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "I HEAR YOU /b/ROTHER" (14 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "We gotta band together and tell all these zombies that:" (11 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "MALL'S CLOSED!" (11 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "Well, if the Mall is closed why the phuk are the lights on?" (9 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "Let me rephrase that:" (4 minutes ago)<br />
# 27.35 MHz: "MALL'S CLOSED! ITS FULL OF SURVIVORS!" (3 minutes ago)<br />
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<br />
=Some suggestions for surviving the siege=<br />
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One thing I noticed at Bale, and something I'm noticing here, is that not everyone is on the same page about mall defense. I figure it would be a good idea to have a section in the article, or at least here on the discussion page, to lay down some suggestions for keeping the dead at bay. For the sake of example, here are a few of my own:<br />
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*Your first priority is barricading. If the barricades are below Very Heavy at a minimum, shore them up before doing anything else--even before killing zombies already inside.<br />
*Don't bother leaving the mall to kill zombies. It takes almost a full day's AP to kill one zombie, which can stand up and attack again with no more than 15 AP and often only 1. Your AP are put to much better use healing survivors, reviving fallen comrades, and most importantly, barricading.<br />
*Let the entry points go. Survivors with free running can still use an entry point with open doors and 50 zombies inside. Those zombies still can't get in the mall.<br />
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Others can add their own, or remove mine if I'm dead wrong about something. This is mostly for the benefit of people who haven't been in a siege before. We could also use this space to log barricade strength, survivors inside, and zombies outside of each corner. [[User:X1M43|X1M43]] 05:40, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)<br />
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I also noticed that the front page says to combat revive. Why? If you do, you've just wasted a syringe and chances are that zombie is either a) going to jump out of a window and join back in the fight in a few minutes or b) free run inside and PK you. Save the syringes for revive points. --[[User:TheTeeHeeMonster|TheTeeHeeMonster]] 20:53, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)<br />
*Good point. Another thing: Do we have a dedicated revive point? That would be a good thing to list here. [[User:X1M43|X1M43]] 23:12, 31 Jan 2006 (GMT)<br />
**I think it's St Isidore's Church as usual, along with Yeandill Towers (saw it graffitied there). --[[User:TheTeeHeeMonster|TheTeeHeeMonster]] 00:33, 1 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
***I think that Isidore's Church is overrun by rotters (last I checked, 100+ zombies there). Are there other revive points? [[User:Gharbad|Gharbad]] 11:33, Feb 5, 2006 (EST)<br />
[[Guides:The Mall Defence Manifesto|This]] is far more effective than my puny list. [[User:X1M43|X1M43]] 16:45, 1 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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==Offical Mall Defence Theme Song==<br />
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I would like to propose that VNV Nation's "Honour" be adopted as the official Mall Defence Theme Song:<br />
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''Passive fields. January two thousand and twelve''<br><br />
''A nation that stands alone''<br> <br />
''Cold voices, faces pale''<br> <br />
''Gathered unto their judgement day''<br><br> <br />
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''Such pride remains unbroken''<br> <br />
''Such words remain unspoken''<br> <br />
''Just mothers to stand in vain and cry''<br> <br />
''Tears and medals in the rain''<br> <br />
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''Shall I recall when justice did prevail?''<br> <br />
''No reason to be found why reason did fail''<br> <br />
''The all clear resounding''<br> <br />
''The way was clear to rebuild this land''<br> <br />
''Shall I call on you to guide me well''<br> <br />
''To see our hopes and dreams fulfilled?''<br> <br> <br />
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''Stand your ground, this is what we are fighting for''<br> <br />
''For our spirit and laws and ways''<br> <br />
''Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war''<br> <br />
''For heaven or hell we shall not wait''<br> <br />
''Shall I think of honour as lies?''<br> <br />
''Or lament its aged slow demise?''<br> <br />
''Shall I stand as a total stranger''<br> <br />
''On this day in this stone chamber?''<br> <br> <br />
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''The all clear resounding''<br> <br />
''The way was clear to rebuild this land''<br> <br />
''Shall I call on you to guide me well?''<br> <br />
''To see our hopes and dreams fulfilled?''<br> <br />
''On this day of our ascension -''<br> <br />
''On this day, we '''praise the fallen!'''''<br> <br> <br />
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''Stand your ground, this is what we are fighting for''<br> <br />
''For our spirit and laws and ways''<br> <br />
''Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war''<br> <br />
''For heaven or hell we shall not wait''<br> <br />
''Shall I think of honour as lies''<br> <br />
''Or lament it's aged slow demise?''<br> <br />
''Shall I stand as a total stranger''<br> <br />
''On this day in this stone chamber?''<br> <br> <br />
Thoughts? Commnts? Questions? Flames?<br />
:--[[User:John Taggart|John Taggart]] 19:08, 2 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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Never heard the song before myself, but like the lyrics. All in favor of it.<br />
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I'd like to suggest that, in addition to JT's proposal for "Official Mall Defence Theme Song" up there, we also have this little composition which I kinda made up myself, w/ a little help from the Beatles, as an "Unofficial Alternative Mall Defence Theme Song." While, sadly, I am not at present a Caiger defender myself at the moment, I feel this one could be used in the "lighter moments." Without further ado, here's my humble submission:<br />
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''' ''Caiger Zombie-Free'' '''<br><br />
(To the tune of "Yellow Submarine," by the Beatles)<br><br><br />
''In the town where zombies roam was a man who came to me,''<br><br />
''And he told us of his dream of a land that's zombie-free''<br><br />
''So we wandered through the Heights, 'till we saw a sea of green,''<br><br />
''And we build our barricades to keep Caiger zombie-free,''<br><br><br />
''We all fight to keep Caiger zombie-free,''<br><br />
''Caiger zombie-free, Caiger zombie free.''<br><br />
''We all fight to keep Caiger zomibe free,''<br><br />
''Caiger zombie-free, Caiger zombie-free.''<br><br><br />
''And our friends are all on board;''<br><br />
''Many more of them live next door.''<br><br />
''And the band begins to play:''<br><br />
''(sound of a marching band playing)''<br><br><br />
''We all fight to keep Caiger zombie-free,''<br><br />
''Caiger zombie-free, Caiger zombie-free.''<br><br />
''We all fight to keep Caiger zombie-free,''<br><br />
''Caiger zombie-free, Caiger zombie-free.''<br><br><br />
''(instrumental; sounds of barricades being reinforced, random Survivor chatter, the Channel 4 News Team daily report, gunshots, zombie noises, etc.)''<br><br><br />
''As we fight to keep our Mall,''<br><br />
''Every one of us has all we need:''<br><br />
''Sky of blue and sea of green''<br><br />
''Keeping Caiger zombie-free,''<br><br><br />
''We all fight to keep Caiger zombie-free,''<br><br />
''Caiger zombie-free, Caiger zombie-free.''<br><br />
''We all fight to keep Ciager zombie-free,''<br><br />
''Caiger zombie-free, Caiger zombie-free.''<br><br />
''(Repeat last 4 lines several times until either people get tired of it or zombies breach the barricades)''<br />
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<br />
(I've actually left one verse of the original song almost unchanged, since I feel it fits well w/ the theme. Also, the "sea of green" is a reference to zombie blood, just in case anyone doesn't get it.)<br />
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Anyway, like I said, I thought I might add this one as at least a candidate for the Unofficial Alternative Mall Defence Song. Praise it, criticize it, or whatever; I just thought I'd put it up for other people to take a look and see what they think. Anyway, happy hunting to everyone at the Mall! --[[User:Specialist290|Specialist290]] 03:31, 20 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
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== Question regarding entry points ==<br />
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Do we really need them? Why not just let the zombies take the warehouse and library, the cades will always be low that way and people will be able to use the building as entry pointd and we won't have to waste manpower on them (so we will have more people watching the mall)?<br />
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I agree. Even [[Guides:The Mall Defence Manifesto|this guy]] agrees with me (which should be the other way round ;) ). Holding Pagram is nothing more than a constant bleeding of AP and defenders which are needed more on the mall itself. Plus, you are simply not able to reach VS+2 like recommended. All players in there are active, everyone baricades up, and so they are at heavy every now and then. The fact that the baricades are supposed to be at VS is a very heavy burden for the defenders of Pagram (and other so-called entrance points), because the zeds can bring them down quicker and thus easier unnoticed by some to many of the defenders.<br />
The Mall Defence Manifesto is a very sensible paper, and simply too good to ignore. And in it it says "let the entry points go". We only need the Mall and the NT building (forgot its name) for defence. Everything else is just too costly, especially when the numbers of attackers come close to those of defenders. -- [[User:Quacki|Quacki]], 7 Feb 2006<br />
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:Caiger Mall desperately needs [[entryway|entry points]], that is, buildings that are not heavily barricaded. Official entryways to Caiger Mall should be kept Wide Open. '''An official Caiger Mall Entryway should be WIDE OPEN. Not lightly barricaded, not very strongly barricaded, not VS+2, but WIDE OPEN.''' If you barricade an entryway, even a little bit, a newbie or exhausted character dashes in there to sleep. Pretty soon a dozen naives are sleeping in there, and it is barricaded up. The spraypaint changes. Now it's an ego thing -- defend our house! When the horde attacks, a dozen barricaders click into action at once, and now the entryway is at Extremely Heavily Barricaded. Stop the dying! <br />
:The official entryway should be wide open. Declare one useless building to be zombie party central. Shatter its barricades into nothing. DNA-scan the zombies as they gnaw on furniture. Mall-shoppers run harmlessly past them. When the Free Running entryway is kept Wide Open, the only people who can block your character are death cultists or griefers, and they'll have to work hard and waste a lot of AP to do so. <br />
:Can I say it again? '''WIDE OPEN.''' Because that way nobody has to die trying to free run into a besieged Mall. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:17, 20 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
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== A message ==<br />
We here at the scavengers, Clear across the city, have heard of your valiant efforts, and commend you all on your ability to survive. We admire your will to live, even through these harsh times. We commend you all, and wish you ammo, axes, and Aidkits. Godspeed. -Kaein<br />
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== Zombies with brain rot. taking them out quicker with a list of them? ==<br />
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Can we Set up a zombie's around caigar mall with brain rot system? you CAN attack certain Zombies with brain rot by just adding them to your contact. then revive or kill them. so if you find one with brain rot you intention is to kill it. it will make revive's easier. question is. if you DNA Scan or try to revive a brain rotter those it give the link to it's profile? because then we can set up a list of brain rotters and make revive's a dead lot easier!<br />
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So far i've found one brain rotter. <br />
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Lethoso. http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=186332<br />
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- Shadow Link KCF<br />
Feel free to use our list compiled by the Science Department if you think it will help in your defense.: [[DHPD Confirmed Brain Rot Roster]] Please add to it appropriately if you manage to get info on one. Thanks, 1st Commisioner, [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]] 03:34, 6 March 2006 (GMT)<br />
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== Spreading out ==<br />
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Shouldn't we be spreading out around the four blocks?<br />
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448 + 628 + 476 + 1093 = 2645<br />
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2645/4 ~ 661.<br />
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So 661 in each block. [[User:Jon Kril|Jon Kril]] 21:54, 11 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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No. They aren't. The SE quadrant is under constant attack, and so needs the largest garrison. [[User:Axeman89|Axeman89]] 01:48, 6 March 2006 (GMT) <br />
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The SE Quadrant is constantly under attack, so it needs the largest Garrison? I'd say we should still be spread out, what if the zeds attack a different corner?[User:SteelVortex2|SteelVortex2]] 09:32, 4 November 2006 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Retake RiddleyBank ==<br />
<br />
If and When we win the siege, we will hae amassed the larget group of survivors in one place. I propose we take the fight to the zombies. March into RiddleyBank and drive them out. Show the Zombies who runs this town. I leave the floor open to discussion on this idea.<br />
: What, why wait until we win? We've got alts, don't we? They're not going to be doing much good in the mall, thanks to the new anti-zerg system, so why not send them en-mass to Ridleybank? The [[Gingerbread Men]], at less than 30 strong, managed to barricade the whole suburb up to EH in just a couple days (granted, the zeds managed to debarricade down to wide open and kill them all in about the same amount of time). [[User:Qwertyuiop|Qwertyuiop]] 18:31, 21 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
:: And, while we're at it, Nichols mall could use some liberating. Every couple of days the survivors manage to clear it, but then some asshole comes in, PKs everyone while complaining about being combat revived, then lets all the zeds in. [[User:Qwertyuiop|Qwertyuiop]] 18:31, 21 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
::: They never took ridley, they just barricaded it. The thing you harmanz have to understand is that you can't "evict" zambahs, you can only tire them, or bore them until they leave. It's unlikely that the RRF will ever leave so it's pointless. Also the RRF is on excursion right now so we couldn't care less about Ridley/barhahville until we've finished our tour. Go ahead and barricade ridley, we'd like to have some snacks on our return--[[User:Mpaturet|Mpaturet]] 02:04, 23 March 2006 (GMT)<br />
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== So How Long Has The Seige Lasted? ==<br />
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So how long has this siege lasted? It's been at least a couple of weeks at this point, I'm pretty sure. But I've lost track. Can anyone tell me? --[[User:Brasswatchman|Brasswatchman]] 04:40, 2 March 2006 (GMT)<br />
==Puny Harmans==<br />
The zombies will eventually destroy caiger mall and the entrie harman race. do not resist! -The Lurker7<br />
:That's so funny I can't stop laughing... Come to Caiger, we will demonstrate our resistance to you. --[[User:OmegaPaladin|OmegaPaladin]] 06:04, 23 October 2006 (BST)<br />
Demonstrated by bleeding all over my fangs..Bwahahaha![[User:Moil|Moil]] 12:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)Moil<br />
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== PKers ==<br />
Will you guys do somthing about them cause [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=441770 Psycho Billy] just killed me in the NE corner of Caiger Mall @ 14:45 BST 22 July 2006 - [[user:Smithy Jones | Smithy Jones]]<br />
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== Cleaning up the Talk Page ==<br />
Someone should really sort out the comments bellow. <br />
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I’ve sorted them into a group for now.<br />
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Also, should someone mention the Mini-Siege that just ended? --[[User:Heiki|Heiki]] 08:56, 6 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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== Random Comments (to be sorted out) ==<br />
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Nolongerhuman (http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=314144) just PKed Leftover Crack (http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=303720) and tried to PK me. Both events happened today in the Papps Building just north of Caiger. Can someone put nolongerhuman on a PKer hitlist, please? Or go to my talk with instructions of how to do this? -- [[User:Gonzogonzo|Gonzogonzo]] 15:40, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br />
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I just made it into caiger. Zombies are in!--[[User:Maxwell Hammer|Maxwell Hammer]] 07:03, 14 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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*Is [[Caiger Mall]] currently only accessable to suvivors with [[Free Running]], or are the barricades maintained at a certain level? I have a character in [[Chudleyton]] reaching their skill xp value threshold, and would like to know if I need to invest in more than one skill at the moment before heading towards the beseiged mall in question for supplies. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 02:01, 25 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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*I've separated the Zerg list into confirmed Zergs (such as Hally/Haly and joe murphy FP/MurphaliciousFP/Murphalicious) and suspected Zergs (those with similar names and suspiciously Zerg-like activity, but whose Zergness or lack thereof has not been conclusively proven). Hope this helps! --[[User:John Taggart|John Taggart]] 23:04, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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Well, May luck be with the survivors as the fight the glorious battle. --[[User:ThunderJoe|ThunderJoe]] 21:21, 21 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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I may as well also send my best wishes to the survivors at caiger. I planned on being there, but not only am I currently across the city, but I'm not equipped for fighting a seige yet. Good luck --[[User:Bioweapon|Bioweapon]] 23:33, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)<br />
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:I wish they would stop Zerging. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]] 13:03, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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::Got proof? --[[User:John Taggart|John Taggart]] 15:06, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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::i love when people that are losing come up with excuses. --[[User:Flaunted|Flaunted]] 14:26, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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::: Hey, there ARE zergers in the mall. I have been in the mall and have seen them. The mall people have frequently been clashing with these cheaters. They have told them to leave and a few have ejected the ones that were 100% proven zergers. I understand you guys wanting proof and I do agree that there needs to be proof before saying these people are absolutely zergers. However, you must know that a lot of discussion goes on in the UD Forums; this is a good place to gather more information. Proof does go both ways though. Saying you can vouch for someone doesn't mean they are in the clear. Also note, they are not loosing. There are 500-600+ zombies around the mall, constant breaches and the humans are surviving. --[[User:Jacquie|Jacquie]] 18:13, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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::::I did not remove their names from the list...which is pretty much me saying, that vouching for them is not enough. also there may be breaches but the mall is still in our control. --[[User:Flaunted|Flaunted]] 18:33, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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:::::You may want to make that more clear as I didn't take your comments that way. I took them as you can "confirm" that those two individuals were not zergers, yet there was no more information regarding as to the reasons for your confirmation. You said "I love it when people that are loosing come up with excuses." My point is that they are not making excuses nor are they loosing and again the UD Forums clearly confirm that. That is pretty much all I have to say. I don't visit the Wiki much and just happened to get to this page because of the zerging issue. We have linked to this page via those forums. --[[User:Jacquie|Jacquie]] 00:39, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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:::::Flaunted. I have had to restore the list twice after you deleted it. Also, as for that MurphaliciousFP character, if you are so sure he is not a zerg, how do you explain the recently detected third account? (Murphalicious). Go to the forums and read the Caiger mall thread in thread in the human discussion area. Sift through all the spam in there and you will find all the proof you need. There is some in the Zombie thread on the subject too. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]] 01:21, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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::::::I just confirmed the Murphalicious/MurphaliciousFP/joe murphy FP Zerg triangle.<br />
::::::Murphalicious and MurphaliciousFP are classic Zergs, very similiar names, created 95 minutes apart. Murphalicious has [http://www.joewrite.com/ This link] in his real name section. joe murphy FP has that very same link in his real name section. This link leads to his Blog. Zerg Confirmed, end of story.--[[User:Grim s|Grim s]] 01:27, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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::::::That is interesting that the guy that Flaunted "confirmed" as a non-zerger was in fact zerging. The guy confessed and I find it very interesting. Next time you want to get on this thing and say something that is so beyond the realm of truth, don't. Just a little tip from me to the guy who "confirms" things. Over and out..yadda yadda yadda. --[[User:Jacquie|Jacquie]] 05:33, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::While I certainly don't condone zerging at all (and if I had the ammo and AP to spare, I'd be shooting those accounts myself), I daresay it's a little unrealistic to think that out of the 500+ zombies attacking the mall, NONE of them are zerg accounts. It's just harder to prove when it comes to zombie accounts. --[[User:Xenomrph|Xenomrph]] 13:09, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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::::::::If [[Kevan]]'s anti-cheat measures work fine, this is not going to be a problem anymore. --[[User:Seagull Flock|Seagull Flock]] 17:01, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::::I play the characters Haly and Hally and apologize for the "zerging" at Caiger Mall. I've only been playing since a couple weeks before the seige and didn't realize the practice was against the etiquette of the game. Hally will be moved across the city ASAP, but Haly will stay and help with the defense of Caiger. I humbly suggest that other folks who are using slight variations of the same name and "zerging" may also be unaware that they are doing something wrong. Most of us are probably at least clever enough to realize that we should pick completely different names if we're planning to violate the spirit of the game. Again, I apologize for my own mistake and will correct it immediately.--[[User:Haly|Haly]] 19:31, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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::::::::::Xenomrph, with the new anti zerging countermeasures, Zombie zergs are all but completely useless. Not so with human barricade drones, and since each one can waste around 250 zombie ap on average, and close potentially large breaches (like the Murphalicious zergs did), i would suggest that human zerging is the bigger threat. Haly, there is a section in the FAQ dealing with Zerging, so you cannot claim ignorance. Do not have your characters interact. Zombies do read profiles, and we can put two and two together. <br />
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::::::::::Cheaters are not welcome at the mall, and typically all accounts of the cheater in question are evicted (Sometimes with an execution coming in first, if the person doesnt get out fast enough). I would ask you to remove your Haly account from the mall, as you cheated, and as such have no right to continue there. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]] 23:26, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT) <br />
:::::::::Hey, Grim, who died and made you root@everywhere? Hally/Haly apologized and quite courteously removed Hally from the mall, why don't you reciprocate and let Haly stay? Or are you just that desperate for a win? --[[User:John Taggart|John Taggart]] 23:31, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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:::::::::Care to elaborate as exactly where to find a detailed description of the anti zerging measures, and how do they affect primarely the zombies? Because, as far as I know, the only real measure implemented is the 160 hit limit, and I just can't see how that would affect the zombies more than the humans. --[[User:Coco|Coco]] 04:22, 24 Nov 2005 (GMT)<br />
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Uh....did Astor19 really write "CURRUNT STATUS: ATTENTON zombie hoard moving toward caiger mall" here or is it a joke? --[[User:Craw|Craw]] 22:14, 7 Jan 2006 (GMT)<br />
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(http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=380195)<br />
Siriusly destroyed the generator.<br />
Siriusly said "No random revives, folks. Thank Gohan for me." <br />
Siriusly said "Free XP for killing me. C'mon, folks, I've been GKing for a week." <br />
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Can we stop the random revives?<br />
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==PKers, GKers, and Zergers==<br />
That section is easily the most biased crock of shit I've seen since the [[BME]]'s page. Don't anyone say "but he didn't mean it like all GKers and PKers are zergers". If I said "Necrophiliacs, Pedophiles and Catholic priests", you'd know damn well that I was marking the latter as guilty by association. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 12:03, 17 October 2006 (BST)<br />
:How right you are Xoid, well since most people only edit to say ''ZOMG One Zombie outside Caiger, call teh Troopes!'' I have changed to be more relevant. Zergers are not in the same bracket as PKers and GKers and if anyone has a problem with that then can take it up with someone who cares. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 23:10, 25 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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== about my attacks on caiger ==<br />
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ok.. now im bewing pked... which isnt supposed to be fucking happening.<br />
i am only atacking caiger because peopel call it invincible. i want the peopel who sepnd all there tiem there to prove that they cna call it invincibl;e without help from alot of groups.<br />
*if they can prove that, i eill back off, if they cant, it will show that u cant always last in UD.<br />
*also, ciager sint what is keeping other hordes of zeds from otehr suburbs, the bash proved that 1 buddy. also, nobody is gonna save a mall and let a whole suburb fall!--[[User:Cody6|cody6]] 13:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==10 Nov==<br />
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As of this time, the undead have completely overrun the northwestern corner of Caiger Mall. --[[User:Comite|Comite]] 03:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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100+ zeds in NW corner...only 8 survivors...no 'cades...it might be over... :( :( I have no ammo left...LOW AP...what else can one do.... (weeping...) --[[User:Ignatz|Ignatz]] 22:41, 9 November, 2006 (EDT)<br />
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There are, at this time, 94 Zombies in the NW Corner, with cades unknown. There are also 2 Zombies in the SE Corner with cades at QSB. Zombie incursions have been regular today, but as of this point have all been repulsed. Over 300 Zombies continue to stand outside the mall itself. One thing is so blatantly crushingly obvious, I feel compelled to state it: Either zambah or harman, this isn't a safe place to be. --[[User:Peter Moran|Peter Moran]] 03:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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There have been heavy break-ins right from the start, and zombie numbers have at one point exceeded 100. The survivors are making coordinated counter-attacks so the results are still unclear; however Caiger is no longer safe as a human stronhold.--[[User:Shiakou|Shiakou]] 02:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Yep, the zombies took that corner, and [[User:Lachryma/Kolea|Kolea]] is laying outside with a ton of other dead bodies and plenty of zombies. What happens to Caiger now?--[[User:Lachryma|Lachryma]] 04:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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This is really going to affect the second Malton Iditarod....{{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 16:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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I have found the solution to everybody's problems. Brace yourselves, and take cover zeds. you cannot defeat the assault that is coming for you. It will be everlasting and the answer to all our problems and end all zerging across [[Darvall Heights]] and [[Chudleyton]]. The answer is [[River Tactics]]<br />
Zmobies have no use for "territory". Whatever will they do with a mall? Now, i understand the need to retake [[Caiger Mall]] as a [[Survivors Will Live Forever]], so until we can retake it, we must employ [[River Tactics]]. [[User:Soadsod|Soadsod]] 17:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
:* River Tactics never work with large numbers. In fact it barely works with medium sized numbers. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[User:Undeadinator/WTFCENTAURS|WTF]] [[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ Assault on Stupid Survivors|ASS]] [[ DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 17:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
::* Pfffff. Shuttlebank used it pretty well IMO. After all, I lived, And I escaped. What more could you want? Not only that, but if it does fail it is due to the fact that people do not understand it. I'm trying very hard to stay neutral and not blatantly insult people.Also, that picture that has BARHAH in red letters on it? Read the graffiti. muahahah!!! [[User:Soadsod|Soadsod]] 18:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::* Yes...River Tactics moved all 1,800 survivors out of Caiger. No...no it didn't. BARHAH Tactics did. We removed the survivors. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ The Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[ DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 18:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
::::* I don't see any other suggestions for application of River Tactics. And at the time I wrote that, the mall was crumbling under the weight of the zmobies, not to mention when I arrived there were less than 50 survivors, all of which were reported to be inactive. Let's not forget the Survivor trait of "surviving by not retreating", which worked wonders. Didn't it? River Tactics could have worked, had we had another day, a little luck, some quick feet and quick responses to it. Sadly, we didn't have any of those. Don't expect any more responses from me, I don't want edit wars. [[User:Soadsod|Soadsod]] 19:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::::* Sure it could've worked. Contacting 1,800 survivors and telling them to leave Caiger now...That definitley would have worked... --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ The Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[ DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 19:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
::::::* A Little graffiti goes a long way. In fact, the only way I heard about this was when I got on to my account this morning, who was at [[Bale Mall]] and I read the radio, and it was screaming Caiger has fallen and Goatsniper was all like "zmobies winning because they are dancing and having fun, not worrying about living." So a radio and some graffiti could easily contact more than 1800 survivors. Please, can we end the edit war now? I'd like to go play Rome Total War. Or Starcraft.[[User:Soadsod|Soadsod]] 19:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
::::* I love how humans were crowing about River Tactics -- as they were fleeing from or dying by the hundreds in Caiger Mall, after 15 days of fighting us tooth-and-nail. I love this screenshot of Horde tactics vs River Tactics, btw: http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/6907/caigermallbn0.png . [[User:Jehrenzweig|Chronolith]] 04:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::::* I'd like to comment on that, ahem......BURN!! -[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 06:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
::::::* Funny you should mention that......look at the one that has BARHAH in capital letters. Not only that, but I wrote that the very morning the mall fell. [[User:Soadsod|Soadsod]] 03:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::::::* And that proves you guys didn't get your asses handed to you how? i was in the mall all through the seige, i didnt see anything that could be called tactics from the humans. they all just sat there and died. -[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 03:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::::::* Apparently you're not getting the message. River Tactics are when you flee as an invading Horde advances, thereby denying them satisfaction and food. What you guys did, after two weeks of siege, was '''abandon''' Caiger Mall -- which makes your "''BARHAH NOTHING!''" quote worth exactly that -- nothing. [[User:Jehrenzweig|Chronolith]] 04:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Take it back ==<br />
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Caiger has like 12 zombies in the most populated corner...<br />
I think it could be taken back...<br />
Not that it matters anymore...<br />
- [[User:343|Terra]] 19:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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There are already several survivor groups on the case, and many more are considering helping out. Caiger will rise again, it is as much a symbol of what survivors can accomplish as it is an attractive stronghold. Remember, for over year, Caiger was uncontested as a Human Stronghold. But just like the rulers of Gondor, the defenders grew weak, they began questioning if the zombie threat was real and then shacknews struck. When the defenders slumbered and dreamt of the future. Caiger shall rise again! We owe it to all those who held it for over a year, we owe it to every single survivor in Malton to once more erect the bastion of hope! And the Girl Scouts shall be there, on the fore front, selling our cookies as is time honored tradition! --[[User:Gethsemani|Gethsemani]] 08:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:hmm...im starting to wonder if i shouldent send my zethren that way again with all this talk of taking it back... -[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 12:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::Whatever happens this means that in the next few days another battle for Caiger Mall will begin. We should find some poeple to go and record the events as they happen. --[[User:Apex|Apex]] 23:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Caiger_Mall/News_Archive&diff=594352Talk:Caiger Mall/News Archive2007-03-15T09:54:26Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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<div></div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Category_talk:Historical_Groups/Archive&diff=585405Category talk:Historical Groups/Archive2007-03-07T16:12:59Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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<div>==Disqualified==<br />
===[[Axes High]]===<br />
One of the oldest groups out there from the time of the [[CoL]]. Once the biggest fire fighter group. They ruled Barhahville until they slipped out of existence. If you never heard of them it's because you're new. If you've been around since the beginning and don't know them, you're an idiot. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ The Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[ DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 23:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:While there aren't many of them left, the [[MFD]] still has occasional contact with them, including a request from a member just today, so rumors of their demise may be a touch premature. A wiki presence was never high on their list of priorities as I recall, and it may be that none of their members have been here to update in a long time. Please hold a final call on this for a few days while I check what their status and intentions are. Thanks! --[[User:Gilant|Gilant]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gilant|talk]]|[[DEM]]</sup> 14:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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#'''Yes''' - --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ The Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[ DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 23:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 01:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Sure''' [[User:Daniel Hicken|Daniel Hicken]] 01:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC) I may be new, but I know of them, Sonny.<br />
#'''Yes''' - Heard of them, fought them, ate them. They had moxy, though. -- [[User:Alan Watson|∀lan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[Philosophe Knights|P]][[Malton Telephone|M]]</sup> 02:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Absolutely Unquestionable. [[User:Peter Moran|Peter Moran]] 02:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - I'm all for it. --[[User:Leutinuet Benjamin|Leutinuet Benjamin]] 02:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Kind of an obvious choice here. --[[User:Rgon|Rgon]] 03:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' --{{User:Darth Sensitive/Sig}} 03:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - to bad realy, i always liked that name.. -[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 05:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - I could swear I actually saw an Axes High tag recently, but I remember working with some of their members back when I started out. They were a great group. --[[User:Aiden Hodder|Aiden H]] <sup>[[The 4-H|4H]]</sup> 07:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - I've heard of them before. They were around before I joined. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 08:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Wish there were still groups like this around.<br />
#'''Yes''' - I think I ran into one of their people months ago at a mall while I was restocking.--[[User:John Blast|John Blast]] 20:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' --[[User:PsychoPhil|PsychoPhil]] <sup>[[CFT]]</sup> 21:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' This goes all the way back to the axes/shotguns argument! --[[User:Ron Burgundy|Ron Burgundy]] 22:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - I thought I saw Axes High graffiti not too long ago --[[User:Sgt. Expendable|Sgt. Expendable]] 00:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - They've been around FOREVERRRR. --[[User:YuriRuler90|YuriRuler90]] 01:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - They died? I just figured they were busy. >.< --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 16:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''A resounding yes'''- Its a shame groups like this arn't around any more =[ --[[User:Rizo299|Rizo299]] 20:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes'''- i can remember the corleone's fighting many a battle alongside them..--[[User:bob8914|Vito the don]]<br />
#'''Yes''' - I will admit that I didn't know they had dis-banded.--[[User:Labine50|Labine50]] <sup>'''[[Malton Hospitals Group|MH]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[MEMS|ME]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[PFTP|P]]'''</sup> 05:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - I don't like the tone of the top of this, but it is true. Also, thought they were still active...--[[User:Agent White|Agent White]]<sup> [[User:Undeadinator/WTFCENTAURS|WTF]]•[[Project Welcome|W!]]•[[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]]•[[CMS-Meta]]•[[CMS]]</sup> 20:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Axes High is over? I really should keep myself up to date. --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 12:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Fought with them back during the first annexation of Barrville. I'm surprised they disbanded; new news to me. --[[User:Halomarine34|Winnan]] 22:58, 19 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' For as big a group as some are claiming, their pages don't have a lot of quantity. Even smaller than Paradox (below). [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 18:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Definitely. Sad to see them go. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 01:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - I'd long heard good word about them. Of course, I never knew why they'd use only the axe. Seems boring, really. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark]] 22:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Yes, they're notorious, and as I've been in the game less than a month, (I think) and I know of them, historify them. [[User:Daniel Hicken|Daniel Hicken]] 02:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -- [[User:Officer otep|Officer Otep]] 12:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -- --[[User:Mayor Fitting|Mayor Fitting]] 23:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''???''' - [[Damien Stahl]] Im still here and I am in Axes High it isn't exactly dead just a litle low on helmets right now. If AH becomes Hist i an not renouncing my affiliation...<br />
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===[[Disciples of Zeko]]===<br />
Recently saved from being Speedy Deleted. While short lived and limited to only [[Yagoton]], the cult had significant historical impact upon the suburb they called home and caused quite a bit of dramatic change on how certain areas of [[Yagoton]] are viewed by [[survivors]] even to this day! This was mostly due to the astounding act of [[PKing]] known as the '''[[Valentine's Day Massacre]]''', which may have been for its time the single most impressive/controversal act of [[PK]]ing in all of [[Malton]]; Or at the very least been the first confermed recording of a well-organized [[The Second Massacre of Yagoton|"Mass Murder"]] form of [[PKing]]. I've personally helped document and sort out their unique tactics and actions in [[Yagoton]] in the past, some of which I've yet to see reproduced by any other groups in [[Malton]] to date. I'd hate to see a group, even a [[PK]]er group, that brought so much color to an often-ignored and easy-going suburb just fade away. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 18:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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#'''Yes''' -- See above. And take the time to learn more about [[Yagoton]], too! :) --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 18:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - A mass PK doesn't seem to really tip the game but it certainly gets talked about. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 19:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - History includes talked about events so they are in for me. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 19:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No'''- The event this group is solely associated with, the '''[[Valentine's Day Massacre]]''' (having either a responsible or celebratory role), has its own documentation. If this group is known for nothing but this one action and praise of it, to the point that their identity/identification stems solely from the massacre, maybe the group's and the event's pages should be merged. If the group had a "glorious history" beyond the massacre, meaning noteworthy participation in other historic events, the group would outweigh events and should be warranted its own historic staus. However, it looks like this group is solely known through this one event and its fallout, so in a sense the event is bigger than the group (I'd heard of the massacre, but this is the first time I've learned of its perpertrator(s)) so the group should be subordinate to the event in this case.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 16:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#:'''Re:''' Hmm. So you're saying that the [[Disciples of Zeko]] page should be merged with the [[Valentine's Day Massacre]] page, basically. Interesting idea, but it could get a bit messy? I'll look into it. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 19:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#::Yeah, basically the group's historic status is "attached" to this event, so should be written up as such. All that group info may have to be condensed, but a lot of the stuff on the page seems like "internal group drama" that never effected anyone outside the group, except for that big massacre. But I'm in the minority now, so wait and see what other voices think.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 20:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' --[[User:Abi79|Abi79]] <sup>[[The_Abandoned|AB]]</sup> 14:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -- Chanting "Zeko. Zeko. Zeko. Zeko." <font face="Verdana">-- [[Image:TexasFlag.gif|20px]] [[User:Bubbadick|Bubba]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Bubbadick|T]]</sup></Font> 18:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' -- I agree with The Envoy. Other than the Massacre those guys didn't do anything of importance. -- [[User:Alan Watson|∀lan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[Philosophe Knights|P]][[Malton Telephone|M]]</sup> 21:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - And i would like everyone voting ''no'' for a meeting at 72,123 so we can have a ''"meeting"''to discuss this deal ;) --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 00:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - As far as I'm concerned this group was pretty much unique in it's style. The Valentine Day Massacre is only part (though a big one) of their legend --[[User:Doubler|Doubler]] 19:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Envoy makes a good point, but still... --[[User:Rgon|Rgon]] 19:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - That man killed 17 others by himself. Worth more then this vote.--[[User:Mayor Fitting|Mayor Fitting]] 02:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#:But we're not talking about "that man" but his devoted fans/accomplices. The deed and to an extent the group are already documented on a historic incident page [[Valentine's Day Massacre]]. Passing this, a historical group page is redundant in light of the memorial testifying to the action.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 03:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''no''' 1st line says it all -- recently saved from SD, short lived, and limited to 1 burb. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 18:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Spawned dozens of copycat groups, and has several reincarnations; even now there are still people who PK in Zeko's name. He, and his followers, made [[the Whatmore Building]] a pilgrimage for many PKers. Love 'em or hate 'em, they shaped history. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 14:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -- I agree with what Xoid stated. --[[User:N0RDAK|N0RDAK]] 01:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -- Absolutely. These guys terrorized Yagoton for a while.--[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 12:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' -- To the best of my knowledge, they didn't even make the UD stats page. --[[User:Dickholeguy|Dickholeguy]] 16:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' - As with the other No's. One minor and completely staged event does not make a group worthy of being considered of historical significance. They were a brief, and minor, amusement. Nothing more. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 10:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' - I agree with the suggestion to merge it with [[Valentine's Day Massacre]]. --[[User:Novelty|Nov]] <small><sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]], [[Moderation|M]], [[User_talk:Novelty|T]]</sup></small> 16:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - They may be best known for one event, but the fact that they made Yagoton so dangerous for a time makes them noteworthy enough. Also, they deserve to be immortalized for their unique tactics, which is something that goes beyond the scope of just the Valentine's Day Massacre. --[[User:Reaper with no name|Reaper with no name]] <sup>[[TJ|TJ!]]</sup> 18:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#:Well that'd be all well and good if the page in question discussed their unique tactics or role in Yagoton. But it doesn't. It's just a belief system with no interface on the page with the game. If the mythology translated itself into game effects on the page, or in other wiki pages discussing those effects, it'd warrant preservation. But there was never any effort in the page but an expression of personality. If this page is to be preserved, all the reasons yes-sayers are claiming as cause for preservation ought to be incorporated into it. Otherwise you're arguing apples to defend oranges.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 18:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' - Are you so quick to judge the Children of the Red God as gone? We merely slumber, friends. Many of our number have been vanquished, by the Crimson King himself infact... RedZeko's ways are unknowable, we merely accept them and move on our blessed work. The Disciples are making an making a return friends... as such I official declare us active. I've recruited several new dedicated members to the task of the revival of our dear church. Even now, the saint Merc89 spills heritic blood upon the holy ground of Whatmore...<br />
#:Praise be to Zeko, amen..--[[User:Rozozag|Rozozag]] 7:29, 7 December 2006<br />
#::Bwaaaah? Then why didn't you try to unspeedy delete your own site when it first got removed? Its been dead for awhile. o.0; --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 00:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#:::Well, to be honest here, we hadn't checked the site in a long damn time. We've been out doing the holiest of work out in Darvall Heights and surrounding regions as a favor for a few groups who gave us a hand in procuring a church of our own a few weeks back. I myself have been pretty busy with other things too, and I just stopped checking the wiki after a while...--[[User:Rozozag|Rozozag]] 20:01, 7 December 2006<br />
# '''Yes''' They may haven't done too much, both they're so ''unique''. [[User:Anachronos666|Anachronos]] 03:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
{{s|#'''No''' They are not out of commission yet. The group is still intact and PKing......uh......people. Therefore, they are inable to be listed as a historical group. If you don't believe me, just check out [[User:Rozozag|Rozozag]] and the Zeko main page. --[[User:Zombie slay3r|Zombie slay3r]] 05:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)}} - Invalid vote struck, after 2 week deadline. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 11:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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'''Comment''' - Well the voting finished yesterday evening and technically the voting has passed as there are 21 votes, 14 are yes and 7 are no and there is one invalid vote. It has come to light that they are still active so this group will '''NOT''' be made historical. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 11:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[The Gingerbread Men]]===<br />
These guys were a group of decent size who's goal it was to reclaim [[Ridleybank|Candyland]]. They were always going at it with the [[RRF]] back in the day.--{{User:Gage/sig}} 03:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' --{{User:Gage/sig}} 03:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 03:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -- [[User:Alan Watson|∀lan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[Philosophe Knights|P]][[Malton Telephone|M]]</sup> 07:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' --{{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 10:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - I was very much amused by the Candyland invasion. --[[User:Officer otep|Officer Otep]] 12:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -- {{User:boo/Sig}} 12:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' --[[User:Halomarine34|Winnan]] 22:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -- Well as a member of this group i think we deserve it :D [[User:Night Haunter|Night Haunter]] 22:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -- I loved Candyland. --{{User:Mia Kristos/sig}} 22:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -- I wasn't around when they were, but I read their wiki and think they deserve it.--[[User:Mayor Fitting|Mayor Fitting]] 23:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -- I remember seeing the Candyland Invasion plans, and damn, were they intricate... --[[User:YuriRuler90|YuriRuler90]] 03:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -- They had class, baby, they had style and a plan. I remember reading through their wiki page and wishing I had been a Gingerbread Man. Totally historical. [[User:Dimmswick|Dimmswick]] 07:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 17:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - I'd heard rumors that they were coming back, but sadly, only rumor. Pity! --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 02:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - $5 says Von Luthius pulls the out of retirement again them moment he isn't getting enough attention. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 02:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' --[[User:Mr yawn|Mr yawn]] [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|20px]] 06:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Candyland was simply wonderful. --{{User:Scrapped/Signature}} 20:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Everyone else said it best.--[[User:Labine50|Labine50]] <sup>'''[[Malton Hospitals Group|MH]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[MEMS|ME]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[PFTP|P]]'''</sup> 06:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' --[[User:Doubler|Doubler]] 19:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' --[[User:Rgon|Rgon]] 19:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' --[[User:Jon Pyre|Jon Pyre]] 04:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''no''' culd i possibly take over the defunct group in the names of all things gingery? -[[User:Bob8914| Vito the don]]<br />
#'''no''' - This group is still around, in fact I happen to be at a location with about 4 or 5 of them.--[[User:John Blast|John Blast]] 22:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Dude they are still active. --[[User:Agent White|Agent White]]<sup> [[User:Undeadinator/WTFCENTAURS|WTF]]•[[Project Welcome|W!]]•[[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]]•[[CMS-Meta]]•[[CMS]]</sup> 04:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Had life been different, I would have been a Gingerbread Man. --[[User:Marcus Payne|Marcus Payne]] 13:19, 2 December 2006 (BST)<br />
#'''no''' I have run into, on occasion, those who still claim membership. They should be brought to current status. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 18:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#:Comment: [[The Gingerbread Men|The GBM]] <b>did</b> break up. Those who still have it as their group are just oldbies.--[[User:YuriRuler90|YuriRuler90]] 01:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#::Comment: No idea where you get your information but since they used to share a forum with the CMS and I am still a mod on the forum that is now totally theirs (and therefore privy to all sections including the leaders section) they claim that there are still members (even Ram Rock)--[[User:Agent White|Agent White]]<sup> [[User:Undeadinator/WTFCENTAURS|WTF]]•[[Project Welcome|W!]]•[[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]]•[[CMS-Meta]]•[[CMS]]</sup> 23:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''yes''' -- great concept, nice page. <font face="Verdana">-- [[Image:TexasFlag.gif|20px]] [[User:Bubbadick|Bubba]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Bubbadick|T]]</sup></Font> 08:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#::Comment: As a member of the Gingerbread Men, who took part in the Candyland assault and as a still active member of the Gingerbread Men. I would like to clarify a couple of points, we are still active but are currently taking a break at the moment and having a bit of fun (which was our plan all along), while i support our inclusion as a historical group, as we are at this moment taking a break from active game planning, we are still active in game and are running with the [[Night_Ravers]] While we do not have the 65+ members we had on the day of the Candyland assault we are still looking for new members (post on my talk page if you want). Ive posted this as our leader does have a tendancy to be a bit blonde (no offence ment). I would plan to move the Gingerbread Men to the same area as Axes High, but i would have to talk to our great exaulted leader first :[[User:Night Haunter|Night Haunter]] 16:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#:::Well, since you did vote first of all saying yes and seeing as voting has now ended I will add the historical group template and I will request that the page be protected. If you do once again wish to use the page then you can just request that the page gets unprotected and remove the template. Hope that's ok. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 11:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[Blackmore Bastard Brigade]]===<br />
No real plans to invade blackmore again, yet they had a lasting impact on the game, as they penetrated ridleybank not once, but twice, so with that in mind, I nominate the BBB for Historical Status --[[User:Dickholeguy|Dickhole Bonaparte]] <sub>Leader, [[Malton Rangers]]</sub> 21:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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#'''Yes''' My Nomination, I vote yes. --[[User:Dickholeguy|Dickhole Bonaparte]] <sub>Leader, [[Malton Rangers]]</sub> 21:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' - They only held a building for a about two months and Shacknews put them and Nicolas Mall to shame. They didn't even change the game all that much, all they proved is that 300 survivors in one place makes for a hard target. Too bad Shacknews exists huh?--[[User:Mayor Fitting|Mayor Fitting]] 22:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''YES''' Of course the Blackmore Bastard Brigade deserves historical status. They showed that Riddleybank is nothing special, just as Shacknews showed Caiger was nothing special. --[[User:Tirak McAlister|Tirak McAlister]] 22:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' Turned Ridleybank from a nogo zone to a battleground. Not among the largest or most efficient groups, but they still deserve to be remembered. [[User:Rheingold|Rheingold]] 22:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' - Just another trenchcoat team that tried to puff their chests for a bit in the 'bank, only to be eaten just like all the others.--[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 22:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' - Never heard of--[[User:Denzel Washington|Denzel Washington]] 23:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Nay, I say!''' - As with Mayor Fitting. --[[User:Lucero Capell|Lucero]] <sup> [[User_talk:Lucero Capell|Talk]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 23:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' Of course, they inspired a stand in the middle of zombie territory, that they got thrown out in the end (as they must have known they would) is neither here nor there -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[PA Posse|PA]] [[Dead Animals|DA]]</sup> 23:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 23:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' [[User:SniffleNose|SniffleNose]] 23:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -- Their attacks helped to reinvigorate the RRF and bring about the second Zombie renaissance that is currently spreading enlightenment and strewn bodies over Malton. -- [[User:Alan Watson|∀lan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[The Vengeance Committee|V]][[Philosophe Knights|P]]</sup> 23:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' - Anyone can penetrate Ridleybank. The fact it didnt take all that long for you guys to get eaten, and the only thing that stopped that from happening was a huge amount of support from numerous other groups, and a buch of stupid zergers (Lets admit it, Humans have more zerg than starcraft). It was a minor little bump in the history of the game, and had no lasting effect on the game, and a very breif effect on the suburb. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 23:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' - just a bunch of zergers hiding in a building with their bots. nothing special. --[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 01:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' If they are really done. 1) Started a NT-only-with-no-mall-for-a-long-time-style defence that's been repeated a few times. Morrish did the NT part, but they're a block south of Giddings. 2) Jumpkicked the RRF and a lot of other zombies. 3) Showed for two months that Ridleybank isn't what it is cracked up to be. 4) Was instrumental in the formation of later Shacknews tactics and survivor awareness thereof. And what's all this "they're all zergs" thing you're saying? This is literally the first time I've heard it. I know I've been gone for a while, but did this just come out in the last few weeks? --[[User:Ron Burgundy|Ron Burgundy]] 02:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#:No, they have no proof. Its just some idioth zombies who claim to take the moral highground. Seriously, stop saying every survivor group ever zergs. Do survivors do it? yes. Do Zombie groups do it? of course. its that survivors get caught more because their Identities can be seen. Seriously, unless you have proof of zerging, kindly '''Shut the fuck up'''--[[User:Dickholeguy|Dickhole Bonaparte]] <sub>Leader, [[Malton Rangers]]</sub> 02:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' - just another group that got eaten by shacknews lead by a self described dick hole. You can't be historical until you are gone too.--{{User:Gage/sig}} 02:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#:I didn't ever lead the BBB. They're an independant minded bunch made up of independant charecters. They went into ridleybank and held off the RRF for 2 months before shacknews came along, nothing to that magnitude had ever been accomplished in ridleybank until that point. That warrants historical status in and of itself. --[[User:Dickholeguy|Dickhole Bonaparte]] <sub>Leader, [[Malton Rangers]]</sub> 03:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - They kicked but, they kept the RRF on their toes, and were an inspiration to everyone. I was hooked on the radio messages, on the edge of my seat.<br />
#:PS: For all of you 'haters' (both zed and human) out there... If it weren't for everyone's resources being tied up at Blackmore, Caiger would not have fallen. Because if they would not have been at Blackmore, they would have been out here. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 03:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#::I do believe, good sir, that Blackmore [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Battle_of_Blackmore#The_Last_Stand_of_the_Blackmore_Brigade|Blackmore] fell quite a while before Caiger [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Third_Siege_of_Caiger_Mall#Caiger_Breached|Caiger] did. A month, if my math serves me correctly. The Blackmore survivors had plenty of time to get back on their feet after Ridleybank was back in zombie hands. And if you think that resources being tied up at Blackmore was the reason why Caiger fell, then perhaps you should say so on the Third Seige page.--[[User:New Coldness|New Coldness]] 22:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 03:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' It was fun to PK folks in that building --[[User:Virus002|Virus002]] 03:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' They did what was thought to be impossible....Twice. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 03:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#:I would like to point out that they basically repeated the Candyland invasion twice... hell, they even used the same barricade strafing plan. The only real difference is the amount of self-publicizing they did, which did attract greater numbers to their cause. So while I think they're historical, I don't want to hear any of this "they did the IMPOSSIBLE" crap. -- [[User:Alan Watson|∀lan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[The Vengeance Committee|V]][[Philosophe Knights|P]]</sup> 03:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' Flash in the pan. Not significant.--[[User:Gut stench|Gut stench]] <sup>[[Feral Undead|FU]] [[The Burchell Arms Regulars|BAR]]</sup> 03:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#:Right, well if a group like Malton DEA can get historical status, and the bastards fail, then we really see the extent to which this wiki is biased. --[[User:Dickholeguy|Dickhole Bonaparte]] <sub>Leader, [[Malton Rangers]]</sub> 03:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#::'''''JESUS CHRIST, LEARN TO INDENT.'''''--{{User:Gage/sig}} 04:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#:::'''STFU n00b, I win at teh internetz!!!'''--[[User:Jesus H. Christ|Jesus H. Christ]] 06:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' Notable? Possibly. Historical? Hardly.--[[User:Kibbs|Kibbs]] 04:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' Goes without saying. --[[User:Pvt De|Pvt De]] 04:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' I only say no because I don't think the Blackmore Bastards are ready to be historical yet, they're still quite active from what I've seen, if a bit unorganized. If they ever do go inactive than I'd vote a resounding yes. They showed what survivors could truly do when they worked together, they proved that Ridleybank wasn't just a survivor deathtrap. They gave the RRF a wake up call, showed them that they weren't invincible and they couldn't live off their own mythology. All you people who say they zerged, yes there may have been some zergers but every large group in UD whether Survivor or Zed has some zergs whether they admit it or not, that doesn't make the entire group zergers. As for the people saying they only held one building, have you ever heard of Greater Blackmore? At one time during the first battle the Bastards held most of Ridleybank and large portions of neighboring surburbs. I for one certainly think they had a huge impact on the game, and when the time comes they do deserve to be a historical group.--[[User:Lord Wulfgar|Lord Wulfgar]] 05:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - But not if they're not done yet. I can say, having participated in both battles at Blackmore, that they had a huge impact. For a few short days, Blackmore was a beacon of humanity standing next to Caiger. And then, for a few more days, it was the sole beacon of humanity. So yes, but if I see evidence that they're still active, I'll change my vote.--[[User:J Muller|J Muller]] 06:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Held a building in Ridleybank for as long as I remember, the RRF were no match and it took Shacknews to stop them. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 09:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Many wars only have one battle yet they are still historical and remembered. This is one of them. One battle- one great big battle. --[[User:Marie|''Marie'']]<sup>''[[The Grove]]''</sup> 13:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - It was good to see that it could be done, and done right. --[[User:Razi|''Razi'']]<br />
#'''yes''' - ditto. and stop eraseing my posts! --[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]] 16:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - I've heard of 'em. --[[User:The Surgeon General|The Surgeon General]] 16:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' - Wow two months defending one building, how is that historical? [[User:Blackzilla1|Blackzilla1]] 17:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' - They only survived 2 months because of their numbers. Put the same ammount of surivors in any resource building and you get the same. - [[User:Nineless|Deyd]] 19:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - A salute to finest group of hungry suvivors I have ever had the honor to fight beside. I say yes to these proud men of honor and glory. - [[User:Axe27|Axe27]] 20:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Many historical battles lasted less than two months in the real world; The sheer level of organization and multi-group communication that went on here ALONE makes this a memorable event worth keeping. Bound to the [[Battle of Blackmore]]. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 20:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - At least they tried to take a piece of Ridleybank back for mankind and succeeded for a while. <font face="Verdana">-- [[Image:TexasFlag.gif|20px]] [[User:Bubbadick|Bubba]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Bubbadick|T]]</sup></Font> 21:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' -- They only achieved getting eaten, and only survived for a while because of massive support from other groups. -- [[User:Whitehouse|Whitehouse]] 21:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' -- [[User:Antipathy|Antipathy]] 22:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#<s>'''No'''</s> - But a hard choice. The actions of this group WERE notable (holding control of not only a building, but a great part of Ridleybank at least more so than the so called Ridleybank Resistance Front for the span of some months). The fact that most Ridleys deny that they couldn't kick us out until they got help is fairly hilarious, but to hold against a decaying group for 2 months and dissappear is hardly historical. To keep the Battle of Blackmore page is probably enough to record the greatest (and close-to-only) achievement of this macro-group. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 04:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC) '''Yes''' - Changed my mind, just for the preservation of a group that witnessed my first retirement. My reasonement above still stands, but the only event that this group participated was of such a great magnitude and considerable lenght that it makes the group deserve historical status at least more so than some other "historical" groups. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 07:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' - I was there, mind, but I don't think a single event makes something historical. It really shouldn't be qualified as a Historical Group so much as a Historical Event. We need to collect said events into their own category, mind. --[[User:Ivan Romanov|Ivan Romanov]] 05:05, 21 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Who cares if they won or lost? They put up a good fight and enjoyed the game, and gave everyone of boths side of the battle a memorable time. That's the spirit of the game as it (arguably) should be. For that, yes, honour them. --Rip Purr <sup>[[Malton Rangers|MR]]</sup> 08:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' They are a great bunch of guys and gals, but I don't think they left a lasting impact on the game, not more so then any other fairly big survivor group has. Just being good friends, good sports and cool to be with isn't the qualification to be a historical group. And in the sense that they left a lasting impact, I don't think anyone will talk about BBB as they do for example the RRF or the C4NT.--[[User:Gethsemani|Gethsemani]] 09:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' The Battle at Blackmore was noticed by most and followed by many of Malton's citizens. I agree with Ivan Romanov that it was more a historical event, but how can the event be historical and the group that were behind it not be? The BBB started a battle that united many in the survivor community and they will be remembered, they deserve historical status. --[[User:Officer otep|Officer Otep]] 15:43, 21 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' Seems a bit premature. Plenty of people were wearing the BBB patch during the Stickling Siege. They're fire hasn't gone out at all. Remember Criteria 12 is about defunct groups. A group with an active veteran community boasting of their exploits ain't exactly dafunked.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 04:28, 22 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#::As far as self-identifying BBB members active during the Stickling siege goes, at least one of those was probably me. I wore a false BBB tag all through the Battle of Blackmore, and for a good portion of the Stickling siege, until I changed it... to Shacknews. I did that to increase my chances of being revived so that I could go on PK/GK sprees. And I know for a fact that I'm not the only one to ever use such tactics. --[[User:New Coldness|New Coldness]] 22:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - If the group has actually ceased to work together, lets do it. Their greatest achievement wasn't staying in Ridleybank until Shacknews kicked them out. It was getting '''everyone''' to stay in Ridleybank until Shacknews kicked them out. --{{User:Darth Sensitive/Sig}} 13:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - they diverted the course of the Big Bash. They secured Ridleybank for survivors (y'know, for about an hour). They fought to the bitter end. They went back for more. --[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]] [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|20px]] 17:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' If they're really done. They showed that it was possible to hold ridleybank, if even for a short time. Sure, they got eaten in the end, but we all knew that would happen eventually (any sufficiently determined zombie horde ''will'' win eventually, it's only a matter of time and how long it takes for them to get lucky; and ridleybank is like the zombie Mecca). The point is that they held it for as long as they did. They showed us how defensible a lone NT could be. They may not have been the first to try all the things they did, but they did it much better than anyone ever thought possible. --[[User:Reaper with no name|Reaper with no name]] <sup>[[TJ|TJ!]]</sup> 19:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - As others, if they're really done. Had a significant impact in their time, made Ridleybank worth a visit, inspired others, made good copy on various suburb news pages, got solid name recognition, and a gave an otherwise uninteresting building a history. --[[User:Barbecue Barbecue|Barbecue Barbecue]] 20:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - They had their momment, and that's enough for mention hear. Seriously! - [[User:Nicks|Nicks]] 05:45, 23 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Why the hell not?''' They took the choked heart of Ridleybank twice and held for 2 months. Better than V either way. --[[User:Whap|Whap]] 08:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - That Blackmore resisted two months of siege was impressive; the longest siege our Shacknews Horde ever participated in was 3 weeks (The Third Siege of Caiger Mall). The duration of that siege also motivated me, personally, to prove that a large, uncoordinated zombie force is nearly worthless, when compared with a smaller, more tightly-coordinated zombie strike force. The Blackmore Building was what drove the Shacknews Horde northwards, after we defeated our first mall (Pole Mall). They get my vote. -[[User:Chronolith|Chronolith]] 14:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Although they certainly could have been the tiniest bit more efficient at holding the damn place.--[[User:Labine50|Labine50]] <sup>'''[[Malton Hospitals Group|MH]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[MEMS|ME]]'''</sup><nowiki>|</nowiki><sup>'''[[PFTP|P]]'''</sup> 06:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' For all the reasons stated above. Incursions into Ridleybank have occurred before, but this was the first time that a '''public''' and well advertised location was held. And not for an insignificant period of time. The Gingerbread Men relied (famously) on their own cunning and guile to secure several locations at once in the suburb but none were chosen for a lasting defense. The arguments that it took several hundred survivors to do so are weak as for the first weeks survivors were significantly outnumbered. All records of the battle note this. Fifteen to twenty survivors managing to keep out many dozens more zombies for weeks. In arguably the most hostile suburb in Malton at any time. The final defeat of the Blackmore also took nearly every major zombie horde in Malton as well as one of the best organized pker/death cultist groups. Of course, it also diverted the course of the Bash. For that alone it deserves special mention and preservation as the Bash had previously advanced wherever it pleased at its own pace. [[User:Tyler Whitney0|Tyler Whitney0]] 20:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Cant see why not. [[User:KellyUnderwood|nozzer]] 23:11, 24 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' - Once Blackmore was breached and ransacked everything returned to normal. In my opinion the BBB did not leave a lasting impact. Sure they held Blackmore for 2 months, but they did not use a new and innovative strategy, they just crammed a bunch of people inside, which is no amazing feat. --[[User:Flogging Molly|Flogging Molly]] 03:16, 25 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' - I know of them, but they were hardly historical. [[User:TorecShadecrow|Torec]] <sub>[[User Talk:TorecShadecrow|T]]-[[Cybele's Children|CC]]</sub> 04:12, 25 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - --[[User:Lt. Raptor|Lt. Raptor]] 09:31, 25 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Pfff, having to vote on this one was stupid.--{{User:Thari/sig}} 10:01, 25 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' Fought all the way to the bitter end. [[User:Bluetigers|Bluetigers]] 15:43, 25 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' This group coordinated the only battle I can ever remember actually knocking down the UD server. While I do agree that the Battle of Blackmore is more of an historical event, the group that put it all together deserves to be chronicled every bit as much as the battle that was waged. --[[User:Aiden Hodder|Aiden H]] <sup>[[The 4-H|4H]]</sup> 06:00, 26 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' Because they were just that, damn, '''black''' {{Nosubst|User:MrAushvitz/sig}} 13:36, 27 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Not recognising the impact of the [[Blackmore Bastard Brigade]] on the game is plain... stupid. [[User:Robin Robinson|Robin Robinson]] 08:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes''' - Wonderful as it was to have so many lovely human targets in one building. --[[User:Karloth vois|The Supreme Court]] <sup>[[RR]]</sup> 23:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#''''Yes''' - They were delicious --[[User:Lehk|Lehk]] 07:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Yes'''-They finally fought back--[[User:Sgt Ender|Sgt Ender]]20:58, 30 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#*'''Mod Note''' - The Blackmore Bastard Brigade is apparently active, with a considerable membership. As such it does not qualify for Historical status. As such, I am constrained to disqualify this nomination. [http://www.urbandead.com/stats.html 38 members] is not inactive. Feel free to re nominate yourselves once you drop off the stats page. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 07:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Other Discussion==<br />
While I'm cleaning the [[:Category:Confirmed Groups]] I keep finding tons of groups that haven't been updated for more than 6 months. Decide if they are worth being historical or not, because I have NO IDEA.<br />
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*[[OcUK]]<br />
*[[OMEN]]<br />
Kinda empty..<br />
*[[MPGeeks]]<br />
Seems like a defunct group. Could be deleted if you ask me.<br />
*[[FHN Debate]]<br />
Delete?<br />
*[[Pennville Freedom Movement]]<br />
This one we took out, and it seems to be kinda old, so it sould be historical.<br />
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Anyone wouldn't happen to know what to do with these two?<br />
*[[Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency]]<br />
*:(I say we delete this one.) Yes you can delete that one. -- [[User:Prophet|Prophet - FVZA Commander]]<br />
*[[FVZA]]<br />
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There are million more of these groups, but I'm not gonna look for those now. --[[User:Niilomaan|Niilomaan]] <sup>[[GCM Radical Redeemers|GRR!]]•[[Project Mentor|M!]]</sup> 12:07, 19 September 2006 (BST)<br />
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What about asking their allies, if they're still active?--[[User:John Blast|John Blast]] 19:34, 4 October 2006 (BST)<br />
:That would've been a good idea prior to deleting them. The MPGeeks are still active, we run with a couple of them in Huntley. --[[User:Aiden Hodder|Aiden H]] <sup>[[The 4-H|4H]]</sup> 02:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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We are still active in the game and we just use the "FVZA" page rather than the full name one. I guess I'm lucky someone brought this page to my attention, next time you could just ask me. -- [[User:Prophet|Prophet - FVZA Commander]]<br />
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=== New template? ===<br />
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I made a nomination template similar to the suggestion one. What do you think? -- [[User:Krazy Monkey|Cheeseman]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]][[The Anti-Smurf Brigade|ASB]][[User_Talk:Krazy Monkey|Talk]]</sup> 19:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:I like it, it will make the job of sorting the votes out easier. I'll change the current ones to the templated and I'll put a note at the top. I'll move this to archive for space saving. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 10:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
::After looking at it the template has a few issues that I don't have time to sort out myself. The nominations do not pull through correctly. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 10:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:I think we need this, and I think we need it with one addition (made below) in order to make "never heard of them" votes actually meaningful, in that groups put up for historical votes well past their existence will be (hopefully) at less risk of being voted out by a bunch of new members who otherwise wouldn't understand why they wouldn't likely have heard of said group. --[[User:Barbecue Barbecue|Barbecue Barbecue]] 18:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Blackmore Bastard Brigade===<br />
I request for the immediate restoration of the bid for historical status of the [[BBB]] with votes intact because stats page's numbers cannot be held as evidence of a group activity, as they can be forged, based on alts, on people that want to take advantage of the group affiliation, or is just lazy to change it. [[BBB]] was an agrupation of groups, and the main body of groups that constituted the [[BBB]] had made obvious that they won't be joining such a venture anytime soon. If you do take the stats page seriously, you can see that a group as organized as [[Shacknews]] still has '''26 guys''' on the stats page when they declared that they won't be there anymore, so why is their bid kept and not ours? --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 08:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Then Shacknews should be removed from the list, too. Rules iz rulez.--[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 08:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
::Shacknews IS a retired group just as the [[BBB]] and deserves Historical status '''more so''' than the [[BBB]]. If you're so convinced that it's like you say, grow some balls and archive their bid. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 08:59, 31 December 2006 (UTC) '''EDIT:''' Also, in the stats page there's even a group called "Falsifying Statistics" with 45 members. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 09:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::I would but I'm not a mod. Durr. --[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] 09:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
::::It's necessary for me to point out that you don't need to be one? Anyways, before getting deeper and risking "back seat moding" criticism once again, I didn't do something like that because when someone does something I don't like on community pages I ask for concensus before reverting... even tough it seems logical to revert an obvious last ditch attempt of Grim to take off [[BBB]] their maybe deserved, maybe not, but consensed Historical status. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 09:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
Shacknews was a very large group, If i recall correctly it was in the range of 300. Whats left is less than a tithe of the original number, and they vanished in short order (After publicly declaring their last action and then migrating to another game). Whats left would be stragglers with no affiliation. Unlike the Blackmore Bastard Brigade, Shacknews will not reform, but the brigade will almost certainly re-emerge if another attempt is made to cram people into the blackmore building. Unfortunately before numbers for the Blackmore Bastard Brigade do not exist, and the majority of members are probably still active as members of its component groups (As such, it is probably also ineligable as it was an ad hoc metagroup, rather than a group formed for the purpose of doing what it did). Thus the remnants with the affiliation count doubly so. Feel free to contact them through the methods used originally to gather them and have them change their affiliation. Until then i am forced to consider the group active because of its nature as a super metagroup (In fact, to properly get through, it should probably wait a few months without any action being taken, just to be sure). That said, if another mod wishes to toss Shacknews, i will not stand in their way. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 09:24, 31 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:The fact that you admit that the [[BBB]] was a super metagroup and not a group further proves that group affiliation is not valid as the [[BBB]] was conformed by groups rather than individuals. The leftovers are obviously stranglers that in the euphoria changed their group affiliation and later left it alone and forgot about it, as most stranglers don't care until they change it again. The [[BBB]] group itself, created by actions taken initially by the [[C4NT]], is officialy dissolved, their objectives terminated and it's a fact as much as that there's no one alive at the [[Blackmore Building]] at the moment, or at least if there's somebody he won't last. Neither did the [[BBB]] ask for individual people to change their group affiliation or did they list individuals as members, but just groups: to assume that people that incorrectly used the [[BBB]] name as a group affiliation are valid members or that they necessarily have the legitimacy to carry the name on their profiles and act in the name of the deceased group holds as much ground as the argument that ultimately failed and made the [[CoL]] page to be divided in "new" and "original". The "original" [[BBB]] is officialy dissolved and had a bid for Historical status, restore it please. And the fact that you mock at the bid by saying that you'll have to wait full months just to be sure that we're done shows what your true intentions are: rather than the enforcing the rules, you just want to serve your personal wishes... --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 09:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
::As an unofficial leader of the BBB, I can assure you, that there are no plans to reinvade blackmore any time soon, if ever. I think that Grim needs to either play by the rules both ways, and shelve shacknews's bid, or put ours back up. It shows a terrible bias to the zombie side to do this, especially because the BBB was sure to win historical status, and this was a dirty trick. Never thought I'd say this, but Jorm is right, you either leave both up or take both down. I'd be for putting both up, they're each inactive groups. and grim, by your logic, shacknews should be taken down as well. In my eyes, and apparently matthewfarenheights as well, this was a dirty trick, and while not subject to misconduct due to the technicalities involved, I'd still say that this display right here shows you are unfit to be a moderator, as moderators are supposed to not have a bias, which clearly you do. Also, the BBB had about 80 or so members at its height, and while its not cut down as much as shacknews, I'd argue shacknews are far more likely (and lets face it, capable) of reforming, as they are tight nit and organized, the BBB are not. --[[User:Dickholeguy|General Lee A. Dickhole]] <sub>[[Malton Rangers]]</sub> 02:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::The statement of the leader condemns you: "there are no plans to reinvade blackmore any time soon, if ever." This strongly implies activity on the part of the group, if only on a planning level, and the rather strong possibility of the group re-emerging. In any case, i have made my decision, and it is final. Please re-nominate in a month or two, when we can be sure the group is really gone. And i know shacknews is really gone because the group declared that giddings would be its last action, and then told the members that wanted to stay in UD to join up with other existing hordes. Shacknews as a horde is dead and gone, however, as i said earlier, if another mod wants to remove it, i will support that decision. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 04:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::Well, can we agree at least to not delete the BBB page, because I understand where your coming from, but it is my understanding that if a group is inactive (as the BBB is) that their page has a possibility of deletion. If you agree to give me your word that you'll protect the page, and that when the group is inevitably renominated, the votes previously cast are counted.--[[User:Dickholeguy|General Lee A. Dickhole]] <sub>[[Malton Rangers]]</sub> 06:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::Make a null edit (Click edit page, then submit with no changes) to it once a week and it wont qualify for deletion, as the page is still "active". Also, no. When it is renominated, the votes previously cast will not be counted. It will be a fresh nomination with a fresh vote. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 07:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::This shows clear bias from [[User:Grim s|Grim s]], and also quite possibly a case of misconduct, given that he's using his moderator status as part of his reasoning (otherwise, why has he added a '''mod-note''', instead of just a '''note''' to the disqualification)? He says that he's "''constrained to disqualify''", and yet hasn't done the same for other nominated groups who also qualify (to be disqualified). Clear bias. Possible misconduct. Pure bad faith. --[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]] [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|20px]] 12:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I explained my reasoning rather clearly. Blackmore Bastard Brigade is at 34 active members currently, down 4 from when i disqualified it a week ago, the shacknews total is now down to 14, and plummeting, down 12. Furthermore, the present tense used by the leader when he mentioned the possibility of a reemergence strongly indicates activity on the planning front. I also voted against Shacknews, in case you missed it, i just didnt think the case against Shacknews given the information i had on hand (Publicly disbanding, massive plummet in active members of 90%, now 95%, actively encouraging the people who wanted to stay to join other existing hordes) was worthy of outright disqualification. I did specifically mention, however, that if another moderator felt it was disqualifiable, they could do so without protest from myself. Furthermore, it can be argued that the BBB's status as a metagroup which counted among its members a large amount of very active groups, and also the fact that if you get right down to it, it was a post hoc collaboration to hold a goal and would more accurately be referred to as an '''event''' rather than a group, and thus could possibly be eliminated from the running that way as well. Feel free to take it to the misconduct page if you like, but i have done no wrong. It was what is called a judgement call based on evidence at hand. Just because you dont like teh judgement doesnt mean its bias or abuse. Truthfully, i wouldnt have done it had i not seen the number of actives on a chance peek at the stats page to see how my old group, the Drunken Dead were going. --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 02:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Hrmn...nice dance, but methinks thou dost protest too much, m'lady. --[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]] [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|20px]] 11:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::It took you 8 days to come up with that? Im still waiting for you to file that misconduct case ;) --[[User:Grim s|Grim s]]-<sup>[[Moderation|Mod]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 04:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I said it was "quite possibly a case of misconduct", not that I was planning to file a misconduct case. --[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]] [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|20px]] 13:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Disciples of Zeko===<br />
[[Category_talk:Historical_Groups/Archive#Disciples_of_Zeko|Disciples of Zeko]] were nomianted for historical group status but during voting it came to light that the group is still active. This group has therefore not been made historical. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 11:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===Gingerbread Men===<br />
"Agent White, can you post up on the wiki on our behalf that The Gingerbread Men are still active, currently running side by side with The Night ravers group. Just because the vast majority of us don't use the wiki, nor the other main forums anymore, and also that we haven't updated the wiki for a while does not mean we are not running around. we are still here and have been here always." said by Ram Rock Ed First, leader of the Gingerbread Men. Would it be possible to unlock the page, since it misrepresents the group. --[[User:Agent White|Agent White]]<sup> [[User:Undeadinator/WTFCENTAURS|WTF]]•[[Project Welcome|W!]]•[[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]]•[[CMS-Meta]]•[[CMS]]</sup> 07:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Crap, did put this in the first post, but yeah. I DID say they were still active, all in all, I told you so.--[[User:Agent White|Agent White]]<sup> [[User:Undeadinator/WTFCENTAURS|WTF]]•[[Project Welcome|W!]]•[[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]]•[[CMS-Meta]]•[[CMS]]</sup> 07:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===Axes High===<br />
I had requested a hold of action on marking [[Axes High]] as a historical group. Not on merit (they would certainly deserve it!), but because I knew there were still at least a few members active in Malton. While the group has hit on hard times and has a small membership at the moment, they are still active. They recently approached us to have Axes High become part of the DEM, which the Council passed with a resounding yes. I will show the groups current leadership how to updated the wiki, but we need to have the page unlocked first please. Thanks, --[[User:Gilant|Gilant]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gilant|talk]]|[[DEM]]</sup> 19:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:They might be still active, but they are still important for malton history... they should get the historical group flag even before they are gone... --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 23:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Malton_Murder_Awards/2006archive&diff=579224Talk:Malton Murder Awards/2006archive2007-03-02T20:47:50Z<p>Pillsy: /* Miscellaneous Discussion */</p>
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<div>Please post your comment where it is most appropriate, and sign your posts! [[User:Karloth vois|Karloth vois]] <sup>[[RR]]</sup> 15:16, 10 September 2006 (BST)<br />
=Miscellaneous Discussion=<br />
I think that this would be a very fun event to participate in. I look forward to when it's more oraganized and concrete. -- [[User:BuncyTheFrog|Buncy]] <sub>[[User Talk:BuncyTheFrog|T]]</sub> 04:10, 13 September 2006 (BST)<br />
:Yeah this looks as though it could be a good thing Karloth, you got any plans for when you're going to start collecting information etc? [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] <sup><span class="plainlinks"> [http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net/index.php F][[CFT|C!]]</span></sup> 12:55, 28 September 2006 (BST)<br />
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=Suggestions for new Awards=<br />
=Existing Award Discussion=<br />
Discuss specific parts of each award here. All names, along with every other part of each award, is open to change.<br />
==Best Single Attack/ Kill==<br />
Any single assault by one PKer that stands out- an award to honour lone guns, if you will.<br />
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I nominate ScorHPOTD for this. He PKed three people in one sitting in Dalley Library in Peppardville. Apparently he does not like to be read too. Then a few hours later butchered two more in Giddings mall. He works for the Disciples of Jame Gumb. Quite a sadistic group of Skin peelers.<br />
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==Lifetime Achievement==<br />
An award to honour those with a serious commitment to Killing, and a visible presence throughout the community. The really big players only, e.g. Zarathustra, Sirens, [[User:Xoid| Xoid]].<br />
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==Best Group==<br />
As it says on the tin! The shortlist for this award is simple: All PKing groups. Voting for your own group should probably be disallowed.<br />
==Most Outstanding Event==<br />
Again, as it says on the tin. Zerging events (eg. The Valentine's Day Massacre) will not be counted.<br />
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==Most Regularly Dead Player Killer==<br />
As suggested on the Red Rum forum- an award for the PKer most often hunted down. This definitely amuses me.<br />
==Funniest PKer==<br />
Based largely around witticisms produced during killing sprees, or on reasoning after said events.<br />
==Best Target==<br />
Perhaps the most sporting victim? For those who actively contribute to the fun of PKing. An award for those worth griefing, e.g. Reptilius.<br />
==Most useless==<br />
For that PKer/ Bounty Hunter who just couldn't kill you. Repeatedly. Perhaps they posted their location (filled with spelling mistakes, of course) before taunting someone like [[User:Xoid| Xoid]]. There are many fools within Malton, and this goes out to them.<br />
==Most kills in one month==<br />
N.B. Not open to voting: instead, these rely on results from brainstock's Rogues Gallery, courtesy of the lovely people at the DEM.<br />
==Highest Bounty==<br />
N.B. Not open to voting: instead, these rely on results from brainstock's Rogues Gallery, courtesy of the lovely people at the DEM.<br />
==Best Bounty Hunter==<br />
Should this be open to voting? Either based on the DEM Bounty Reports, or just voting from the PKing community of a particular Bounty Hunter who makes PKing that bit more interesting.</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Upper_Left_Corner/History&diff=577638Upper Left Corner/History2007-03-01T08:41:58Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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'''The History of the Upper Left Corner'''<br />
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The history of the ULC is long and glorious, or is that gloriously long? Anyway, it's under construction and it will take a while to catch up too....<br />
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===Caiger Mall===<br />
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The Upper Left Corner has a history as long and mighty as any in all of Malton. Currently home to the last Royal Family of Malton, the Upper Left Corner is unique in its nonexistant drug laws and love of the royal "we". Who can tell when a party will break out? When will Twister and Dungeons And Dragons be played next? Why does our strawberry smoothie machine dispense green goop that tastes more like artificial grape? Why is a fifteen year-old boy with issues regarding sexuality and racism obsessed with us? These are a few of the questions members of the Upper Left Corner ask themselves every day...<br />
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The Upper Left Corner was formed many moons ago, when a group of people in the Upper Left Corner of Caiger Mall cracked a few jokes between each other. The ULC became an official group officially when somebody made this very Wiki page shortly after! (Queep most likely made it, yet none can quite remember...) From then on, the Upper Left Corner grew into what it is today: instead of killing the zombies that occasionally break in, ULCers welcome their guests with open arms and aid them in having a lovely visit. <br />
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During the second siege, the Upper Left Corner was the emptiest corner. As word of their exploits became more rampant, survivors flocked to the corner in hopes that they would be a part of the coveted group of the nearest fifty people. Towards the end of the siege, the Lower Left Corner was the least popular area of the mall to spend time in. Some would say that this may have had something to do with the constant horde of a hundred or so zombies outside of the Lower Left Corner, but that is neither here nor there.<br />
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ULCers soon grew bored of entertaining the zombies who managed to visit the Upper Left Corner, so they starred in events such as [[Upper Left Corner/UDnD|UDnD]] and [[Upper Left Corner/Extreme Ironing|Extreme Ironing]], to amuse both survivors and zombies alike.<br />
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After the [[Mall Tour '06]] called off its attack upon Caiger Mall, ULCers remained, to party and trash the place some more. The lack of attention and involvement from other survivors bored them, and they decided to go on a tour of Malton.<br />
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===ULC Malton Madness Tour===<br />
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Yes, the Malton Madness Tour was born! Most ULCers relocated to [[Southall Mansion]], while a few of them formed a truce with [[The Shining Ones]]. During The Shining Ones' tour of destruction, the members of the ULC Malton Madness Tour kept the zombies amused with various antics.<br />
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Many locations were visted and fun was had for all (excluding other survivors). Due to the large number of [[Ferals]] that tagged along with The Shining Ones, it became a bit too scratchy and bitey; people tended to die before the fun could even be had! The ULC Malton Madness Tour was set to hiatus mode after a short lived attempt to follow the [[RRF]] did not go quite as planned.<br />
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*[[Southall Mansion]]<br />
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*[[Bale Mall]]<br />
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*[[St. Luke%27s Cathedral|St. Luke's Catherdral]]<br />
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*[[Stickling Mall]]<br />
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*[[Hildebrand Mall]]<br />
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*[[Mitchem Mall]]<br />
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*[[Giddings Mall]]<br />
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===Back to Caiger===<br />
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The Malton Madness Tour had ended and King Keane I decided that it was time to step down from his throne, take off the Burger King Crown, and leave the world of Urban Dead. A farewell party was held, during which a new King and, for the first time, a Queen were appointed to rule over all of the Upper Left Corners of Malton. Doc Python and S Aline were chosen as said royalty.[[Image:Keane.jpg|thumb|Last known picture of King Keane I, before the crown was surgically removed.]]<br />
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After the new monarchy was established, it was decided that all ULCers would return to Caiger to re-group before deciding what to do next. To their horror and disgust, nobody had been maintaining the Root Beer Fountain; it ran dry, covered in blood and dead zombies. Several survivors claiming to be ULCers were soon brought to light as imposters upon the arrival of true ULCers. The refuse was quickly recycled and, before long, the Root Beer Fountain had been returned to its former glory.<br />
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After a short while, the ULC moved to [[Bale Mall]] and then returned to Southall Mansion, where they were followed by a group of PKers. The group of PKers became known as [[ULCKers]], as their sole motive was to kill members of the Upper Left Corner, in the sad hopes that the ULC would disband.<br />
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===Upper Left Roamers===<br />
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ULCers spent the best part of a month at [[Giddings Mall]], helping defend the mall from the [[Big Bash]] with their razor sharp wit. They also welcomed any and all zombies who managed to visit the Upper Left Corner. The Big Bash and the ULCers parted ways when the Big Bash moved on to their next location and ULCers headed towards [[Treweeke Mall]]. Treweeke became known as "Très Weak Mall", since the survivors were far from entertaining and there were as many zombies there as there are heterosexual males at a figure skating show. People sat about, idley drinking beer. The ULCers occasionally killed each other, either for amusements sake or because they were being annoyed. Some even popped down to [[Joachim Mall]] while the Big Bash were there, managing to return to Trewekee with a few claw marks and some beer.<br />
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===The Keane Pilgrimage===<br />
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Some members were sitting around the root beer fountain one day and looking at the back of some peanut packets that [[User:Trenchcoat|Trenchcoat]] had been scribbling on and suddenly [[User:Queep|Queep]] decided that we should do this pilgrimage that had been sittin on the [[TULCK]] page for a while. So after about 2 weeks of getting suitably wasted the ULC pick itself up and off it went.<br />
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Everyone was invited, and a fair few came along including the Royal Family and their beloved servants although the royal pets were missing. They visited 5 locations linked to their former King Keane, the first stop being the splendid Keane Museum, who put on a fantastic exhibit about his life including pictures of his childhood home, some urine stained pants found in Caiger before he left and also a likeness of his majesty made out of silly putty.<br />
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Second stop, we decided to see the kings former home in the aptly name Keane Street. Here his childhood home, which is now a local brothel so a good time was had by all. After that trips were taken to Southall Mansion where we sipped champagne and lounged about in the mansion aquired by Keane when he found the keys to the mansion when we were in the ULC of Caiger Mall. This could also relate to the fact that the entire Southall family was killed after a nasty incident with HP sauce in the ULC. Ask yourself, is it coincidence that the Upper Left Corner of Caiger Mall is also the location of the ULC's creation?<br />
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Coincidence or not, the ULC returned home, yes the ULC of Caiger Mall once again felt the awesomeness that was us. We found many people to be sittin in the Root Beer Fountain and eating stale popcorn and they had the sheer cheek to kill zombies that visited. After enough of the stuck up attitude of the new inhabitants, the ULCers moved on to the final location....<br />
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We reached Keane Boulevard PD, the location where Queep & Keane first met, a huge fireworks was planned for the 20<sup>th</sup> September. The day arrived and with may ULCers affected by UD downage or sheer drunkeness the fireworks display went ahead and I'll tell you this, it was spectacular, Amazing, Awesome, you just had to see it. <br />
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Anyway, with the pilgrimage over, the ULCers currently wander the streets looking for something to do.<br />
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===The Third Seige of Caiger===<br />
After wandering the streets some of the ULC members happened to be in Caiger when [[Shacknews]] promptly came and tore the mall apart. Some of the members just wandered around drunk looking for something exciting, some members were just missing. After the mall fell, many members gathered in the ULC as zombies having a Banana Gangbang.<br />
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After several weeks the ULC then kicked themselves into gear when they heard a more exciting seige was going down...<br />
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===Onwards to Giddings Mall===<br />
ULCers began arriving at [[Giddings Mall]] one by one after a long a long trek across [[Malton]], especially for Lord Tin Tin as he was carring the bar. Many travelled as zombies and once they arrived at Giddings they were kindly revived by unsupecting survivors. With ULCers back in a Upper Left Corner of a mall, their own personal bar and many members in the same place for the first time in who knows how long... Who knows what will happen???<br />
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Well here is what happened, Giddings crumbled before the might of Shacknews. They were able to retire in glory and all the ULC can say is we were around drinking beer at the time. After a quick regroup and revive period the ULCers decided to head for a mall that needed savong and a mall that desperatley needed it's own bar, so off we headed to [[Blesley Mall]].<br />
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===Bash at Blesley===<br />
The ULC arrived at Blesley to spread the festive cheer, with christmas lights and badly cut trees.<br />
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[[Category:Upper Left Corner]]</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Upper_Left_Corner/ULC_Archived_News&diff=575714Talk:Upper Left Corner/ULC Archived News2007-02-27T14:20:10Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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==Welcome==<br />
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Hey everyone, feel free to change around the page, upload images, etc. Maybe we should also start a thread in the message boards. There's a lot of interesting people here, and it's a shame only the 50 most recently active people get to be a part of it - [[User:Queep|Queep]] 02:27, 3 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
:Simple, we just plug it every so often like every group of eccentrics. I doubt anyone would mind the occasional extra URL. -[[User:Kleptonis|Kleptonis]] 02:34, 3 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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I have to say, I've read a few of the excerpts from your little chats, and they're just hilarious. I may need to come over sometime just to listen! ^^ [[User:BuncyTheFrog|BuncyTheFrog]] 16:49, 9 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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I have to say that I like the idea of idea of this group, it has a certain class. Anyway, Guided Tour One of [[Mall Tour '06]] will be seeing you guys soon! -[[User:Revolutionist|Revolutionist]] 08:15, 10 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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:Ditto from a feral sieger...let's compare, shall we? Caiger Mall Survivors: "Arrgh! Sitrep! Report, seregeant third class! Fubar the acronym of the military chain of command trigger bullet headshot brigade! Coordinated strike! Coordinated barricade chain report committee league militia militia militia! Shotgun bullet coordinated!" Upper Left Corner: Extreme Ironing. It's not even a contest. In the self-importance and prissiness category, CMS has the lead. In the hilarity category, ULC and the Mall Tour walk away with it. I think a full singalong of "Mahhr Zahhr" and the ULC theme song should be performed by each side. It would show solidarity against the insidious virus of taking ones-self too seriously. Kudos. [[User:Capeman|Capeman]]<br />
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It'll be our pleasure to meet you on the field of battle. Does this mean you're going after our corner in particular, or you're just atacking the mall in general [[User:Queep|Queep]] 12:45, 10 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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I'm thinking of either stopping my Guided Tour from attacking the rest of the Mall (as they're so lame they don't deserve the attention that you rightfully deserve) or from attacking ULC-ers (as the rest of the inhabitants don't deserve to live). It's a tough call. How about you let us in, we kill everyone else, then the Tour and the ULC can crack open some gin and crank up the karaoke machine? [[User:Throctukes|Throctukes]] 13:43, 8 March 2006 (GMT) ([[Mall Tour '06]] Group 3)<br />
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'''Question:''' how do i go about getting the 'food court employee skill'? Since we found the soda fountain, i keep trying to get a nice refreshing strawberry soda, but after using 38 AP all i got was 4 lime flavours and 1 lousy blueberry which made me feel rather queasy. I need that extra 15% dam it! - Boomstick37 19:00, 10 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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The food court employee skill is under the teenager skill tree, angst and acne are pre reqs. [[User:Keane|Keane]] 19:21, 10 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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Well, it's official. This is the Mall Tour's favorite harman group. It's been decided that you guys have enough character to make excellent zambahs. Also, we're all wondering what your IRC channel is. - [[User:Revolutionist|Revolutionist]] 07:56, 26 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
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Welcome to the party. Thanks for the high compliments Revolutionist. We'll try to live up to your high hopes for us by playing UDnD during and even after you break through the barricades and start eating our brains. I've said it on the forums and I'll say it again here, good job with the break-in last night. That must've involved a great deal of preparation. We'll have a more interesting fight from here on in. The only flaw in your idea of turning us into excellend zambahs is that our witty banter is now cut down to 7 or 8 letters. I don't think we'd be nearly as amusing as zombies - [[User:Queep|Queep]] 22:38, 26 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
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I see no reason why zombies shouldn't join in on our IRC channel. After all, they're outside the Upper Left Corner, and heck, sometimes inside too. The more the merrier. I suppose they might discover our Cunning Master Plan To Defeat The Zombie Menace For All Time, but... meh, whatever. Plus, if you time it right, you could end up as Zombie King of the ULC! There is now precedent, and we have coups almost every night. [[User:Arthur Cottle|Arthur Cottle]] 09:21, 28 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
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Hmm, we could have a living king and an undead king... And when Keane gets killed, we have a temporary living king. When the undead king gets revived, they get a temporary dead king. If both happen simultaneously, then they swap! This sounds like a great plan [[User:Queep|Queep]] 21:47, 28 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
==Zombie Spy Stance Discussion==<br />
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Well I suppose I'll start off, since well, I started this. I oppose the killing of "Zombie Spies." First off, unless they are doing destructive things, such as actually hurting people or destroying generators, they don't really do anything against us. What will spies report back to the main group? "There are lots of survivors in the mall." "They have a really big ball of silly putty." We don't really have anything to hide.<br />
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Secondly, that person you think is a zombie spy could possibly be a good role-player. When they're a human, they do their best human job, when they're a zombie, they do their best zombie job. They might be a potential ally. <br />
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Thirdly, why waste the AP? Save it for the zeds on the other side of the barricades.<br />
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And lastly, some zombie spies can be pretty funny, like having their profile be "Zombie Spy." That's silly, and in the upper left corner, we're all about silly. - [[User:Queep|Queep]] 22:10, 9 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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:Agreed. Plus there are probably a more zombie spies than we can keep track of, so even if we kill the obvious ones, there will always be someone who has maxed out their survivor skills, has "Caiger Mall Survivors" as their group affiliation, and are spies. We can't catch them all.<br />
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:Also, the PKer list run by the new Council of Leaders includes an additional punishment for killing someone based on the assumption that they're a zombie spy. Not that we need to listen to the Council of Leaders, but quite a few bounty hunters use that list, and we don't want to have them going after us.-[[User:Kleptonis|Kleptonis]] 22:55, 9 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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I believe that unless there is very clear evidence the "spy" should not be killed. I just got sick of all the freaks comming into the ULC to kill people like Cowboy Up. Real zombie spies dont leave groups in their profiles. Some dumbass almost kiiled a convert from the mall tour without hesitation. The ULC corner should be a bastion of acceptance and welcome all survivors. -[[User:Gamblor|Sexual Harris]] 4:19, 9 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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I don't know if my input is wanted, but I'll jump on the bandwagon as it were. While it makes sense to kill zombie spies when your numbers are small and theirs are large (think guerilla unit in zombie occupied suburb), it makes no sense when larger numbers are involved. It doesn't matter if the spies tell the zombies that there are a lot of people in Caiger and they're using the strategy that's on the wiki. <br />
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I guess there's the argument that if we don't kill them off they could mass inside and start killing from within, and that would be a good thing to stop. Or not, it might be a really interesting battle.<br />
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* Violence is wrong, therefore we shouldn't kill people suspected of being zombie spies.<br />
* I know Malton isn't in the US, but as an American, I must adhere to the principle of innocent until proven guilty.<br />
* I honestly think people kill Cowboy Up only because it's funny.<br />
* Ammo should be saved for zombies.<br />
* Zombies have barhah, why can't we have something similar?<br />
Summary: Let's avoid killing zombie spies in the ULC, k?<br />
-[[User:JLP|JLP]] 05:25, 10 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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One of the zombie spies in the first defense of Caiger was a really, really funny guy. I wouldn't support them if they start PKing, but if they're just hanging around and talking, then whatever, I'm cool with it.[[User:Keane|Keane]] 16:20, 10 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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"Unless they are [...] destroying generators, they don't really do anything against us." <br />
#Whereas: A running generator in the Upper Left Corner does not improve search rates, nor allow advanced surgery, nor provide NecroNet access, nor improve cell phone reception; and <br />
#Whereas: A generator installed in the Upper Left Corner in fact serves no productive purpose whatsoever for human survivors; and <br />
#Whereas Further: Placing and/or fueling up a generator in the Upper Left Corner is a dramatic waste of precious survivor resources, and thus a known crime against all Malton humanity; and <br />
#Whereas Yet: A running generator provides a relaxed opportunity for role-playing, involving discussion of powered smoothie machines and mechanized valentine's mall-cupids; and <br />
#Whereas Yet Further: A destroyed generator provides a frantic and exciting opportunity for role-playing, involving discussion of catastrophic smoothie-machine-failure and zombie spies armed with silly putty; and <br />
#Whereas Be It Additionally Observed That: Anyone destroying a generator will in any event be instantly massacred in a hail of trenchcoater shotgunfire involving risk of injury to innocent bystanders and damage to said smoothie machine; therefore <br />
#Be It Thoughtfully, Respectfully, And Last But Not Least Longwindedly <br />
#Proposed That: As a matter of constructive Policy, '''members of the Upper Left Corner refrain from killing Zombie Spies who destroy our Generator,''' when such precious time could be far better spent reinforcing barricades and philosophizing about the ephemeral nature of smoothie availability. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 16:49, 11 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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So let's say you're just hanging around the slurpee machine and you see someone commit a PKing. So you do some research on the respective parties, the PKer and the PKee, and you come up empty. No info stating that one or the other is a right bastard. Does the PKer automatically become the evil party? Maybe the PKee stole the PKer's corndog or slept with his wife. Without more info, is it okay to now kill the PKer if he ever pops back in for a visit? If so, how do you now avoid someone else drawing these same conclusions about you when they see you kill the PKer? --[[User:Psyckboy|Onok The Unpalatable]] 22:11, 14 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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:When administering shotgun justice (tm), stealth and misdirection are key. First, spraypaint ''<YOUR_NAME> IS WATCHIN''. Smash the generator while everyone is confused. In the ensuing darkness, it should be easy to unload all 8 shotguns into the PKer. Shout "PKers must die, and I am the Cure!" loudly to cover up the noise of the gunshots. As long as you plan it out like this beforehand, surely no one will ever suspect you of anything. And with this sort of thing, it's all about accountability. <br />
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:Umm, on second thought, maybe the best solution is just to administer first-aid kits to the PKee faster than the PKer can inflict damage. It'll all end in tears. Or Revive Syringes. Happy Valentine's Day. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 03:01, 15 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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==Zombie Spy Stance Vote==<br />
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Winner: option 4, Kill em all and lot Keane sort em out! </B><br />
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Read the discussions above on this issue and vote here on where you stand.<br />
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1) It is never ok to kill another human player<br />
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2) The only condition to kill another human player is if they are actively harming (or killing) people in the corner with no provocation<br />
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3) The only condition to kill another human player is if they destroy our precious generator.<br />
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4) Kill another human player if they are either actively harming people in the corner, or destroying our precious generator.<br />
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Vote once, sign you vote with 4 tildas (~) or your vote will not be counted.<br />
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- Option 4, I'm bloodthirsty and love my Christmas Lights - [[User:Queep|Queep]] 18:18, 11 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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- Option 2 Generators are usually replaced pretty quickly. Reviving people, one the other hand, is a pain in the ass. -[[User:Kleptonis|Kleptonis]] 18:49, 11 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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- Option 4, From a roleplaying standpoint, these people have made it clear that they don't want to joke around and have fun with us-- they have proven themselves dangerous. -[[User:Quincy Corvus|Quincy Corvus]] 19:26, 11 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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- Option 4, Because my whiskey will not be at the appropriate temperature if the watercooler doesn't have power. - [[User:Icelos|Icelos]] 20:07, 11 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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- Option 2 makes the most sense to me. - [[User:JLP|JLP]] 20:16, 11 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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-Option 4 when we can. If there are 50 zoms inside, and somebody destroys the generator, we've gotta ignore it, there's a bigger threat. But I'll be damned if someone takes away the christmas lights! [[User:Keane|Keane]] 20:19, 11 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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- Option 4, my good fellows. As generators are, after all, precious resources, we can't very well allow people to go around smashing them all willy-nilly. Plus, my trigger fingers are getting itchy; I haven't killed anything for nearly a week. [[User:Mordred|Mordred]] 20:29, 11 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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- Option 4, as a badass trenchcoat it is my duty to vote for the most violent option. <br />
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- Option 4, our policies ought to be based on these two simple rules: under no circumstances can the karaoke or whiskey/smoothie-swilling be disrupted; and the atmosphere can't be marred by unprovoked and unnecesary violence. [[User:Haff|Haff]] 02:06, 12 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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- Option 2, there are some good points that have been said before, and yes, there is nothing to be gained from having a running generator in the mall. I believe we just should focus on those PKers who come in and kill us... but I'm kind of biased... [[User:Shadow2336|Kai Antilles]] 7:47 PM, 12 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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- Option 4, I would agree with the notion that generators in malls, in the sense of actual game play, are useless. However, in The upper left corner, they help us carry out all sorts of fun activity. For instance, how are we supposed to find items like plastic trees or silly putty in the dark? Similarly, the generators also power the freezers and as Earl of Ice cream and all other '''frozen''' dairy products, this is a very important issue to me and anyone caught destroying them will be severely reprimanded. Afterall, if the freezers aren't working i won't be Earl of jack shit. - Boomstick37, 20.52, 12 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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- Option 4, We shouldn't tolerate either needless PKing or generator destruction. There's no reason to let an obvious griefer/zombie spy get away scott free. - [[User:Darien Black|Darien Black]] 16:09, 13 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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- Option 4, yeah definatly 4 [[User:Tordeck|Tordeck]] 00:00, 15 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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- Option 2. Because if nobody is allowed to smash the generators, how can we prepare our youth to combat the '''KILLER ROBOTS''' that will terrorize Malton in the next patch? TULC's selfish policies doom humanity. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 03:09, 15 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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- Aye agreenk vith Oopshon 4 az vell. Ve Jagers doan like dee dark all dat mooch. [[User:McClaud|McClaud]] 01:33, 22 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
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== Possible Vandalism of the "Jerks" Section ==<br />
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I saw that a user, [[User:Joncrompton|Joncrompton]], may have been trying to vandalize our humble page. I noticed that he had, in one edit, both added Kai Antilles to the Jerk list, for "PKing Cap'n Jon", and simultaneously removed Cap'n Jon from someone else's entry to the list. I undid the removal of someone else's entry, because that is wrong - If one MUST edit another's entry, it is at least polite to use strikeout, or at least explain oneself on the talk page. <br />
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As for his entry of a new member to the list, I am highly suspicious. Here it is:<br />
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:[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=336666 Kai Antilles] for stroppily and needlessly PKing Cap'n Jon and for blatant misplacement of apostrophes. [[User:Joncrompton|Joncrompton]] 16:16, 15 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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I imagine that [[User:Joncrompton|Joncrompton]] is indeed [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=273085 Cap'n Jon], and he got annoyed that Kai called his number in the game. However, I will leave it for further review before flatou removing the entry. I will invite Jon to come here and defend his actions if he should so choose. --[[User:Reverend Loki|Reverend Loki]] 17:09, 15 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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*[[User:Joncrompton|Joncrompton]] is indeed [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=273085 Cap'n Jon]. However, a wiki is a page which can be edited by all. The Cap was called out for PKing Kai which he did not do; due to a freeze on my computer, the Cap accidentally shot a flare gun at Kai, and immediately apologised. Kai proceeded to shoot the Cap with a shotgun until dead. Regardless of your affiliation, that is PKing. Cap would like to help out in the NW corner of Caiger but would prefer it if people did not randomly choose others to whom they have taken a dislike, and advertise that list for all players to take vengeance. <br>Screen shots of Kai PKing the Cap are to be found at [http://zombies.desensitised.net/board/index.php?topic=4832.new#new]. This page also shows Kai's misuse of the apostrophe, along with careless use of upper and lower case. Therefore, I have made my case and believe myself to be justified. However, I apologise for not using strike out or explaining myself on a chat page. [[User:Joncrompton|Joncrompton]] 17:54, 15 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
**Best rule when editing a Wiki - Be polite. Consider how you would feel of others editing your work. Share your reasoning whenever appropriate - that's why every page has a discussion page with it. Another big no-no is to edit the content of signed text, except in certain ways. This is tantamount to putting words into someone elses mouth, or creating a false entry and signing it as if you were someone else. The strikethrough is a way around - it acknowledges that the original text existed, at least. Of course, explaining yourself on the discussion page is also a good idea as well. <br>That said, I can see that, if Kai did not see your apology, and was instead in a rush to kill their attacker before they were killed, then I would be hesitant to call it griefing, merely an attempt to save oneself. Feel free to illuminate if I am wrong. Either way, I understand that you would rather get beyond this issue, and instead have some fun (a very understandable viewpoint). If so, I would have suggested you (1) strikethrough your name from the Jerks list (2) DO NOT add Kai's name - are you after Vengeance, or Justice? - and (3) start a subject on the Discussion page to explain what ''really'' happened. Take the high road, and try and play nice. '''Note''': I also hope you don't mind, but I edited the formatting (but not the content!) to hopefully provide for an easier-to-follow discussion, as this could become ugly enough as is. --[[User:Reverend Loki|Reverend Loki]] 18:38, 15 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
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If you are online and being attacked, often times you spam the attack buttons trying to kill them before they kill you. It's unfortunate that you were killed by Kai, but I do not think it was malicious. Neither one of you particularly seems like a griefer, so I think both names should be removed from the jerk list. [[User:Keane|Keane]] 19:45, 15 Feb 2006 (GMT)<br />
*If, indeed, it was an accident, then so be it; remove him from the list. In the screenshot that Kai posted on the CDF forums, there was no "apology" after the shot (at least there was not from what Kai posted). Additionally Jon, you shot Kai with a flare WHILE he was being attacked by the infamous Tonya Harding. This, in all likelihood, led him to act much more quickly than he might have otherwise. I have a feeling that if someone was unloading shotgun shells into you and then all of a sudden a SECOND person hit you with a flare, you'd probably start shooting at everything that moved, as well. Anyway, I'll make sure you're removed from the CDF PK list.<br />
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Yes I killed a member of your pathetic group... He was a confirmed pker. Here is the list I use. [http://zombies.desensitised.net/board/index.php?topic=3612.0 PKER List] --[[User:Technerd|Technerd]] 17:13, 27 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
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I posted Evilteddy on the jerk list for Pking me, King Kaene, and a number of other things, but someone keeping messing with my post to make it look like I AM THE PKer. I have fixed the post back several times, but it seems that someone (probably evilteddy himself) keeps accusing me. I am looking for a little valediction here. Rob Cath.<br />
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*First off, make sure and sign your posts on the talk page with 4 tildes (~), or just hit the signature button on the editing toolbar - second button from the right. It will automatically sign your Wiki username and timestamp your post. Otherwise, I had to look in the revision history to see you are [[User:Abe_Froeman|Abe Froeman]]. Secondly, you are looking for [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/validation validation], not valediction ;) Thirdly, never attribute to malice that which can be atributed to stupidity... well, a mistake, at least. Going through the pages history, one can compare different revisions, and it looks like someone misinterpreted what was originally intended while cleaning up the mess that the Jerk List had become. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Upper_Left_Corner&diff=170195&oldid=167114 Here is your evidence]. Is this what you are talking about? If there is more than one instance, use the history page to find the offending revisions, and unless it is blatant vandalism, I would suggest posting them here for discussion. --[[User:Reverend Loki|Reverend Loki]] 23:14, 21 March 2006 (GMT)<br />
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*It is belated but I must explain myself here. I did alot of editing to the wiki and mostly the Jerk List towards the end of March and it was my fault the RobCath was made to look like the Pker. I apologise for any harm/death caused [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 11:32, 3 May 2006 (BST)<br />
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== Lyrics Formatting ==<br />
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Hey Doc, redid the formatting on your parody/filk/tribute. Hope you don't mind, also fixed up a bit of spelling. What do you think? --[[User:Reverend Loki|Reverend Loki]] 07:53, 18 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
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'''Comment:''' I added Quinn's excellent parody. In order to make better use of space, I've gone all fancy and used a table. Of course, I've probably limited the number of people who can edit that section now... Anyways, you can find more info on using and editing tables [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_use_tables here]. I suppose you can also drop me a message on this wiki if you have questions. --[[User:Reverend Loki|Reverend Loki]] 02:38, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br />
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== Barricade Levels ==<br />
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* <I>geydo said</I> "I would like to request that barricades be permanently lowered to vs +2 to support cooperation with youth groups who are as of yet unable to free run. this will increase the hULC's size a thousanfold" (02-25 08:43 GMT)<br />
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This has been asked several times. I'm not sure what the policy is, but we've always kept our barricades up to extremely heavy at night.<br />
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One suggestion - if this comes into serious consideration, can we schedule times when we'll lower barricades to let new people come in. This way, maybe if they contact us, we can lower the barricade low enough for an hour or two then raise it. Just not have it lowered during late nights when half the group is asleep. Those are my thoughts, anyway. [[User:McClaud|McClaud]] 08:58, 25 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
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*If the 466 in ULC were to increase a thousandfold to 466000 it would have to incorporate every human and zombie in the history of Malton...But I agree that if there are multiple requests, ULC can lower the barricades during a time when our designated barricaders are not yet inebriated. The IRC channel would be one way to coordinate such an arrangement. If our timing is good, one of the Mall Tour Groups might even be willing to assist us with the debarricading process. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:37, 25 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Is the ULC currnetly accepting alliance requests? If so, please consider this a formal request for an alliance to be formed between U.N.I.T. and the ULC. If not, well, we can still be friends, yes? --[[User:John Taggart|John Taggart]] 02:28, 28 February 2006 (GMT)<br />
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Like what he said, but from Mall Tour. You know it makes sense. Kind of. [[User:Throctukes|Throctukes]] 13:48, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br />
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== Awwwww ==<br />
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# Datan0de said "Might I just say, dear people of the ULC, that in a game overrun with whiners, griefers and thugs, you fine folk stand out as the nicest, most fun human players in UD. I think that if everyone was like you the zombies wouldn't be so eager to kill us all." (03-03 13:10 GMT)<br />
# Brian Hunter said "Here here, i'll second that! Huzzah to the ULC!" (03-03 13:15 GMT)<br />
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== Xyu's Defeat Post and That Linked Thread ==<br />
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This entire thing seems like (to quote 4Chan) "It's a Tarp!" but if it isn't, I have a speech I'd like to deliver:<br />
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I would like to thank the Mall Tour for giving me and 2500 other survivors something to do while milling around in Caiger. Thanks to Xyu and the other leaders/zed clans who made it possible to have a kareoke night, dance off, extreme ironing event, a giant ball of silly putty, etc.<br />
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And for those zombies hanging around because they are a bunch of defiant Tour members who don't like to give up, I'll still be here for as long as the game is in existence (unless someone starts a bigger party elsewhere, but most likely not) for the zombies to try and make me permanently dead. I work late nights and don't have anything better to do at work but surf the web/play UD.<br />
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I don't consider this a major victory or anything, just that it's another example of how the survivors can survive if they put their differences aside and try. For those survivors screaming victory, shut up. For those zombies who are trying to make this look like every survivor in the Mall is a survivor screaming victory, shut up. Both sides won - we had fun, let's leave it at that.<br />
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Maybe before they leave, we should go outside and shake their hands like good sports. Or trade Magic cards with them. Either way, the ULC owes the Mall Tour some thanks for allowing us to entertain the entire freaking Caiger Mall. - [[User:McClaud|McClaud]] 07:31, 18 March 2006 (GMT)<br />
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==ULC Zergers?==<br />
[http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zergingproof2pb.jpg Zerging Proof?]<br />
I will let you guys decide... --[[User:Technerd|Technerd]] 06:38, 15 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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I think Sire, YOU are a zerg, because one can not be that annoying on his own. And what about that screeny? Did you have an Alt in Southhall Mansion? NOO, a friend gave it to you, a really concerned friend of course! Go stuff your bounty list up a place ...you know!<br />
The likes of you can not hope to be as trenchcoat as we are, so stop trying! --[[User:Trenchcoat|Trenchcoat]] 01:43, 17 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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Wow so adult.. No wonder you zerge... Can't play without cheating... Go back to L337 ways.. --[[User:Technerd|Technerd]] 03:09, 17 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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Hahaha, 'fraid using an alt in another suburb isn't zerging Techie, so, uh, oh yes, shove it. And your hypocracy is quite amusing. [[User:Black Scotty|Black Scotty]] 04:01, 20 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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Funny if you read the articles on [[Zerging]] and [[Multi abuse]]. It describes what you were doing. --[[User:Technerd|Technerd]] 04:31, 20 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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I looked over your "damning" image for kicks...did you underline stuff randomly? Face it, my alt had been hunting you for a long time, almost weeks in fact. Your image even shows me saying so! You may be able to argue "spirit of the rules" abuse, but the mere fact that you have a record of what was said implicates you in the same thing. So I guess I'ma gonna hafta ask...So fuckin' what? [[User:Black Scotty|Black Scotty]] 05:16, 20 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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You used a Alt to kill me in revenge for killing you ULC char ie Multi Abuse. --[[User:Technerd|Technerd]] 05:29, 20 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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Actually, revenge was nice, but an afterthought. I actually chose to hunt down and kill you because, and I'm sure this surprises nobody...I personally, don't fucking like you! Through careful observation and deliberation (actually reading your comments on this page, and reading your posts on the Urban Dead Forums) I decided that you are the worst kind of player, a condescending trenchcoater who somehow doesn't have the self-awareness to understand that he is no better than those he kills for bounties. Also, in killing you, my characters never acted together, except for one acting upon information passed upon to the other. While I'm willing to admit that it may constitute a mild form of game abuse, you cannot pretend that your alt who took the screenshot was not in the ULC to spy or gather information for your main character, an almost identical offence. So I ask you again - So fuckin' what? [[User:Black Scotty|Black Scotty]] 06:13, 20 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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Dear Technerd, Urban Dead is a MMORPG and is not Real Life, why don't you grow up and let it go. Yours [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 08:55, 21 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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I wasnt the one who was stalking.. --[[User:Technerd|Technerd]] 15:33, 21 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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Dear Technerd, I’m not that long a member of the ULC and I have no special animosity against you, although you are working very hard on that one, but I have to ask you, give up! You claim to be very serious all grown-up adult and frankly the ULC has a long tradition stopping people like that dead in their tracks. Also we don’t want to let you have the last word.--[[User:Alexander Zacharianopolis|Alexander Zacharianopolis]] 16:02, 21 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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No, let him go on! I’m enjoying his grown-up whining. He is owned one time and now he is trying to drown us in his tears, it is actually very funny. <br />
...and Scotty! Watch it my mother is half trenchcoater :) --[[User:Trenchcoat|Trenchcoat]] 16:11, 21 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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Hahaha, I'm just picturing this chubby little trenchcoater who is so angry he can't even type properly, zerging furiously in retribution and muttering "They don't like me! They don't respect me! I'll show them, I'll show them all!" and I keep erupting into giggle fits. I think my roommate suspects I'm high. [[User:Black Scotty|Black Scotty]] 18:34, 21 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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Oh, and I'm sorry to hear that Trenchcoat, as I am currently drafting legislation to curtail trenchcoater immigration into Malton, as well as make it illegal to possess or sell swords, interesting scars, any sort of "intimidating gaze", fancy shmancy firearms, and of course, any coat of the "trench" variety. We wouldn't want anyone of this undersirable class in Malton, I can assure you. It's a proven fact that trenchcoats can be linked to zombie rape, seeing paranoid delusions AKA zombie spies, and of course being what is called "an insufferable butthole." [[User:Black Scotty|Black Scotty]] 19:46, 21 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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Maybe I should do my part and help Technerd learn how to type. See Techfag (see what I did there?) we use one period at the end of sentences, not two. The period sits alone at the end, much as I'm sure you do during your lunch period. There's more I'm sure, but you're just gonna hafta pick it up by yourself, much like your penis, as no girl will ever touch you (oh snap!). [[User:Black Scotty|Black Scotty]] 19:57, 21 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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Now calling me a '''FAG''' Is a hate crime. I think I am gonna report you. bye! --[[User:Technerd|Technerd]] 21:12, 21 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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Oh no! Not that! Anything, ANYTHING but that! Hahahahaha, I'm quivering in my booties. Calling someone a name on a webpage? Oh the humanity! Ho'lee shit son, you just made it all worthwhile. Quick, call up the Thought Police and the Gay Lesbian and Transgender Alliance, we got a live one here! Someone called someone else a derogatory name for a homosexual!<br />
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Hahahahaha...AHHHHHhahahahaah [[User:Black Scotty|Black Scotty]] 21:46, 21 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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Scotty, Scotty, Scotty! That is why you get slapped to death by Trenchcoaters! Anyway, put me up in your contact list and get yourself a celly, so that I can send you hate sms or informations! :) --[[User:Trenchcoat|Trenchcoat]] 22:42, 22 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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Alroit, doin' it now... I should really have you on it by now but I'm lazy, plus, you know, I'm expecting the summons for my hate crime anyday now, and sheesh its just so hard to be me, I got more problems than Technerd has floppy horse cock dildos, and that's really sayin somethin'... [[User:Black Scotty|Black Scotty]] 00:52, 23 April 2006 (BST) - Heh, dildos.<br />
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I did check the CoL PKer list and Black Scotty you are still on it. Maybe you should plead your case to be removed? [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 11:34, 3 May 2006 (BST)<br />
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Bah! [[User:Black Scotty|Black Scotty]] 03:08, 6 May 2006 (BST)<br />
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== Southall Mansion ==<br />
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I just wanted to respond to something Pillsy left on the [[Eat The Rich]] talk page. I'm sorry our attack on the mansion wasn't fun for your group... if it's any consolation, you certainly made it a lot more interesting for us. BTW, I have reason to believe that ETR was helped by at least one other group... we only have 5 or so members, and there were 80 zombies in the mansion the day it was cleared, so somebody else was responsible for most of the fun spoilage. If you want to avoid any further confrontations with ETR (or if you want to encounter us again, but this time make up for the sour taste we left in your mouth by having a karaoke party or something), we'll be at [[Bale Mall]] for the forseeable future (it's very heavily defended).--[[User:Pinata|Pinata]] 16:22, 4 May 2006 (BST)<br />
*Well it was fun although like we say it is nice if we know so we can prepare a banner and possibly even nibbles (Lord Tin Tin is apparently very tasty). Infact when I first arrived back I though you were there for the party. Although the group is back and happier it was just a surprise for us although it certainly made the tour more interesting. Like I say keep up the good work, maybe one day we can entertain you? [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 15:14, 5 May 2006 (BST)<br />
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Hmmm, that would make sense, there were some zombies that I recognised as enemies of the ULC (Pker's on our list) as well as personal enemies of mine. I though that was strange, so perhaps they were piggybacking on ETRs efforts. Though you cannot discount the power of the Groaning Skill or whatever...Bears some thinking about. Anyway, good luck at Giddings ETR! [[User:Black Scotty|Black Scotty]] 03:13, 6 May 2006 (BST)<br />
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Thanks, glad there are no hard feelings. Until we meet again... have fun, and keep up the good work you've been doing entertaining the people of Malton! I had an alt sitting in the NW corner of Caiger, and it was a riot watching you guys in action.--[[User:Pinata|Pinata]] 21:23, 7 May 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Class==<br />
Your possessions section says, "Note The Channel 4 News Team once described the ULC as 'Class' which is a true description. Although since they have removed it we decided we should own them. As such we posses them." I'm a little confused... I said the ULC possesses Class, but I never removed it from the list. Maybe Wes Mantooth did! --[[User:Ron Burgundy|Ron Burgundy]] 23:28, 29 May 2006 (BST)<br />
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Ah, the vile machinations of Wes Mantooth. Still, you cannot deny that his mother Dorothy is a saint. Aaaanyway, yeah, we own you. But it's like owning a cat, you know better, and sometimes choose to puke on our rug to show it, or out of spite, I'm not sure. Also, I'm not sure who's the cat in this situation, 'cause us ULCers sure do seem to expel a lot of bodily fluids. So yeah. [[User:Black Scotty|Black Scotty]] 23:01, 30 May 2006 (BST)<br />
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Ah, I see. That's Ok, I've been down that road, too. Balled the jack the entire way, as it were. Yes, the Luscious Glory had quite a trip, that day! You stay Classy! --[[User:Ron Burgundy|Ron Burgundy]] 03:06, 31 May 2006 (BST)<br />
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That damn Wes Mantooth, his evil is everywhere! [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 13:30, 8 June 2006 (BST)<br />
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==A Request==<br />
Could the ULC please make your "other pages", like "The Jerk List" and "Keane Quest 1" subpages of your group's page? It would help to keep the wiki more orderly. If you are worried about the name no longer appearing how you want it to, you can use {{tl|Custom Title}} to get around that. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 05:44, 25 June 2006 (BST)<br />
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I will be more than happy to do so but I am not a master of wikipedia yet and I can't seem to find how to do it on the help so if you could advise me and I will complete ASAP. Cheers [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 16:12, 30 June 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Archived Talk==<br />
I have moved all the talk to an [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Upper_Left_Corner/ULC_Archived_News archive] which is just the discussion page for the archive news. [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 14:30, 13 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Chris Masanori==<br />
Chris, we (yes the royal we) have noticed that you no longer have Upper Left Corner as your group and we are assuming that you are in a huff about being suspended from the fourms until August 21st. Well you were suspended for good reason and you are welcome back one this suspension has been served. Any queries, questions or problems then drop a line. [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 20:10, 10 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Kaylee==<br />
This is just a note to Kaylee from myself. Although we knew all along that Stylesrj was yourself, we didn't think you would actually try to sign up to the forums. Anyway, to the groups amusement you decided to brag about this over the radio.<br />
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[[Image:Sillykaylee.jpg|thumb|Disputed evidence of Kaylee letting slip.]]<br />
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So we had a good little laugh at your expense and then S Aline went ahead with the ban etc. I'll be honest and say that it was fairly amusing to see you try again and you actually showed some brains to team up with the people now dubbed ULCkers so kudos to you for that. Anyway, cya later, alligator. [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 08:44, 21 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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You should note idiots that wasn't me making those messages. You decided to put them in for your own amusement and blame it on me. Anyway, I won't be bothering you ULC unless you bother me. I'll be cleaning my shotguns just incase you decide to bother with me<br />
I only found out about this page (as I don't bother clicking on discussion) when I was looking up Stylesrj on Google as I wanted to see who might be an imposter of me on other websites. Just noticed this today. So yeah, a bit late to notice, but you got to know guys that I don't check here, so adding notices here for me will not be effective [[User:Kaylee Hans|Kaylee Hans]] 12:42, 12 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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I believe what you have done is vandalism and I have reported you. I also don't believe anyone was sad enough to impersonate you. It was obvious you tried to sign up for our forums under a different name in a sad attempt to infiltrate the group after you teamed up with the [[ULCKers]]. From what I knew of you, you seemed pig-headed enough to boast about something like this so it wouldn't suprise me if it was you. [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 16:51, 16 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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Excuse me, when those messages were posted, I was asleep! How can I magically get up from the bed while asleep and waste AP boasting that? I sleep for 25 hours at a time and the only time I use AP is to escape idiots like you from PKing me while I sleep.<br />
Just because someone made a message on the radio and signed it with my name does not mean I did it. What happened if I made a message on the radio and signed it under your name? Nobody would know for sure as the radio has anomity.<br />
Also another fact: Since I was spying on your forums, that means I wouldn't brag about it. Why should I brag about something like that when that would stupidly get the spy caught? I'm not that stupid to do such a thing so it cannot be me. Yes there are idiots who'll go that low to impersonate me on Urbandead. Now since my attempt to spy on you and checking to see if the queen had died or not failed, got any tips or points on how I could improve my signing up to the forums? Come on, give potential spies some tips so you know how to block em. I think my approach of being the guy who hasn't been on Urbandead failed due to my lack of background story and all that, so I'm open for advice.<br />
Again I say, don't think that I'm a boaster when it comes to spying. If I were boasting, I'd get caught. The radio message seemed to have arrived AFTER I was banned, so it was obvious one of you ULC members put it in to make it sound like I was joining the forums but failed. Like I said, I don't sleepwalk or waste AP to brag. What's the point of bragging anyway?<br />
Since I've filled a huge sentence of stuff explaining what's going on and a little of me, I hope you'll understand in those small brains of yours that the person in that screenshot was NOT me as I'm not a braggart nor would I give myself away if I were doing such a thing. So you've just failed to accuse me of being an idiot on the radio. I haven't touched the set in weeks either ever since Kaylee's death (thank goodness you may say) and I don't plan on joining your stupid forums again. I wouldn't even go and use a proxy to look around because that'd be annoying for both you and me (Me as I have another thing to do, and you guys to go off and ban the proxy(ies)) so don't think I'm going back to spy on you. I've quit on my ULC hunting ways and going to play the freaking game without all the nonsense of the ULC. If you don't attack me, then I won't bother you or your zombie "Queen". [[User:Kaylee Hans|Kaylee Hans]] 09:56, 18 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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Ok, we shall leave it at that. If you want me to change the comment on the picture all you need to do is ask. I have no gripe with you, just don't chnage the wiki page. [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 11:43, 18 August 2006 (BST)<br />
:I have changed it and will leave it like that.<br />
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Thank you. I could add more proof. The person who took the screenshot probably knows what time they took it (for the records or something) if the time of finding the screenshot (minus 20 minutes due to the screenshot's times) is found, then I could probably tell you what I was doing at that time and that day to further prove the person on the radio was a fake. I don't think everyone believes me, even if the quote is changed [[User:Kaylee Hans|Kaylee Hans]] 02:47, 19 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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We have a zombie Queen? *blink* When did that happen? P.S. Kaylee, you're a pathetic little boy who will never have sex. It was you; we all had a good laugh; go away. [[User:S Aline|S Aline]] 00:23, 24 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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You probably didn't even read my whole long post. Typical laziness of the ULC you guys just want to have fun and have no time to read a long explanation. Unless your main page was lying to me, it seemed the ULC wanted to be a zombie group. When did you change your decision?<br />
I'm telling you, I wasn't online when I saw that message. When I logged back in that day, I saw the message and I thought "oh great, some jerk has used radio anomity to put the blame on me" and then I attempted to create a reply to that in my own words. I'm not an idiot, you think I am because of my behaviour in the ULC, but now that I'm not talking to the ULC on Urbandead, (I'm only talking here because I want you guys to know that the radio posts on that image were not done by me) I've actually gained more intelligence. It seemed you guys had a bad influence on me. Anyway, just because you see an image marked with my name on it, you always think it HAS to be me. What would you do if someone posted on the ULC radio and marked it with your name S Aline? Would you try and find the person and kill them or have a hard time proving it wasn't you who said that? Think about it will you, unless you have too much ULC laziness in you to bother [[User:Kaylee Hans|Kaylee Hans]] 05:44, 26 August 2006 (BST)<br />
EDIT: Well I just had a read of the idea of becoming a zombie group. For quite a while I thought you guys were becoming a zombie group. That's why I called you the "zombie Queen" because I thought the ULC was becoming a zombie group and you S Aline would lead them as their queen. [[User:Kaylee Hans|Kaylee Hans]] 07:31, 26 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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Kaylee, Kaylee, Kaylee... Of course I just want to have fun. It is a bloody game! I have enough crap in my life; I do not go out of my way to read the long, boring, and stupid ramblings of a sexually confused little boy. (I did read that though, because I saw my name in it.) If somebody pretended to be me, I would have a laugh and let it go, since it just shows how pathetic they are; and, like I said, it is a bloody game. [[User:S Aline|S Aline]] 10:07, 26 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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And what do bored people do when they are out of AP and can't be bothered to do their homework, Civfanatics being down and bored of playing The Sims 2 and Empire Earth II? Well, I like to complain about that image until it gets fixed or deleted. I can't even be bothered to vote on the Suggestions page. So yeah, when bored, go complain about an image the ULC has. [[User:Kaylee Hans|Kaylee Hans]] 12:34, 26 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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Oh, I understand it now... You were one of those coke babies I have read about in medical magazines. [[User:S Aline|S Aline]] 22:34, 27 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Becoming a zombie==<br />
After a discussion on our forums it was decided that the group shall no longer continue as a survivor group but as an all zombie group. It's a shame really but there are a number of factors for it, one being that zombies seem to be winning the Malton race at the moment and we feel we can bring some light heartedness to it all. So come on over to our new wiki at [[Zombie Upper Left Corner]] and join in the undead fun. [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 15:01, 20 July 2006 (BST)<br />
:i can understand ur reasons, heck, with the big bash zombie winning seems inevitable. but all your doing is leading the the inevitable end of the mmorp.<br />
--[[User:Cody6|shaun]] 22:18, 25 July 2006 (BST)<br />
::Hell, I think it's a damn smart move. Sure it'll drop the Survivor numbers by a little, but might as well join in on the Zombie side before Kevan re-buffs Survivors! -- [[User:BeefSteak|BeefSteak]] 01:56, 27 July 2006 (BST)<br />
and then the zeds will complain that there losing and he'll rebuff the zeds, its a se-saw of control and the ponly thing that keeps the thign form ending<br />
don't join the bug bash, its not helping, if u look msot zeds are over in the east or north,l which makes the southwest open for us humans<br />
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oh, these are the objectivesfor the buig bash<br />
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The objectives are to have fun, 1:redress the balance between zombies and harmanz and provide an attractive event to :2:new zombie players who might otherwise never progress as a zombie<br />
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1: the balance fdosnt exist, right now the zeds outnumber the humans 3:1<br />
2: and what about the new players on are side<br />
i'm jsut sayign soem thigns i have set up.<br />
*To be honest, not many people went for the idea so it was kinda canned. [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 22:01, 1 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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== [[Logans_Run_Challenge]] ==<br />
Have a look; disseminate it among your members and free lancers. Be aware, be prepared, and join in. Or Not [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:54, 17 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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==ZOMG Template==<br />
{{ULC}}<br />
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If anyone wants to use it, the use it. IF anyone has any ideas, then either pass them on to yours truly or...well, this is a wiki. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 23:17, 11 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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*Shouldn't it say "This user knows where the action is"? I also have a cool image you can use for it, since that seems shrunk down. I'd do it myself but I don't know how. -[[User:S Aline|S Aline]] 08:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
:It does say that? Send me the image and I can get it on. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 08:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Thank you, ULC!==<br />
I wanted to take a moment to thank the ULC for being helpful and friendly whenever I've come across members in my travels across Malton. Earlier today, one of you revived me in Eastonwood despite me not being at a revive point. He didn't have to, but he DNA scanned me and stuck me with a syringe anyway. Thanks! Sadly, I didn't grab a screenshot and have forgotten the actual name of the member, but it did remind me I've never met a ULCer yet who hasn't been professional and upstanding -- and fun! Long live the ULC! -- <br />
[[User:Dementus|Francis Snottly III]], [[The_Abandoned]], 04:43, 4 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Doc Python==<br />
I do extend my deepest apologies to you for not talking to you, I'm afraid I simply didn't have the AP. Why, even now I'm sleeping in Caiger. It has been good tracking you down (see [[Logans_Run_Challenge]]), however, and I offer my assistance in the form of a revive, should I still be alive to give one. [[User:Karloth vois|Karloth vois]] <sup>[[RR]]</sup> 11:48, 15 September 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Bar==<br />
Hello Upper Left Cornerers! I thoroughly enjoyed the mall seige with you guys around. Anyways, I couldn't help but notice that you were dragged out into the street, and you left your portable bar behind. Instead of adding it to the barricades I decided to take it with me. Scince the mall fell its been carried through Pitneybank, Pegton, and most of Edgecombe. My eventual destination is in St. Benedict's hospital in Pitneybank, if we ever cross paths again I'll be happy to give it back. Cheers! [[User:Redwave|Redwave]] 22:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC) [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Aardwolf_Rangers]<br />
:Dammit I knew I should have left the bar tied to Tinners hair, well hopefully we can pick it up soon, thanks. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 22:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== In A Category Of Your Own ==<br />
You guys have a few pages on the wiki that don't really fit in to existing Categories. Hope you guys don't mind but I've created an Upper Left Corner category and am on the proses of adding it to your pages. [[User:Vantar|Vantar]] 22:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Well I have to say thank you, and not a moment too soon I'll say. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 16:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Welcome to Pillsy's contributions to the wiki. I've been active on the wiki since about March but I'd say it took about a month or 2 before I become confident enough to edit anywhere except my groups page. Take a look below for the kind of work I've done.<br />
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==Operation:Revive Point==<br />
I am currently in the process and nearing the end of the redesign of the [[Revivification Point]] page. The old page looked bland, was out dated and needed a revame to make it easier to update and manage for the poor fool who was willing to take it on. Well after toying with the idea I finally kicked myself into gear and created [[Revivification Point/Redesign|the redesign page.]] This page just basically outlined my ideas and how I was going to change it, most of the text would remain, I mean if it ain't broke don't fix it, but the list was to undergo a major revamp.<br />
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I made a couple attempts, spending long hours at both work and home trying to get change the list so it is managable, easy to use and also easy to find a revive point in your area. Several pages were created and deleted, here is a list of pages that now remain.<br />
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*[[Revivification Point/Redesign]] - The original proposals.<br />
*[[Revivification Point/Old]] - The old page for historical records.<br />
*[[Template:RevivePointHeader]] - The header for the new table.<br />
*[[Template:RevivePointUpdate]] - The main body of the table.<br />
*[[Template:RevivePointFooter]] - The footer for the new table.<br />
*[[Template:RevivePointStatus]] - The vairables used for colouring the status column depending on the status.<br />
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Alot of people had some direct or indirect input into this redesign. These people and their ideas are listed below: -<br />
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'''[[User:Ablesentinel|Ablesentinel]]''' who stated he he was going to make some changes like updating the revive points and that is what inspired me to create this page to suggest some changes. Also for correcting my sometimes terrible spelling.<br />
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'''[[User:ERNesbitt|ERNesbitt]]''' of [[MalTel]] for originally creating the style of templates that I based the new update system on. Originally I copied the idea and although now not using, some of the ideas still remain.<br />
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'''[[User:Gilant|Gilant]]''' of the [[DEM]] for some fantastic suggestions. He also created [[List of Revivification Points]] which was an original attempt to redesign the page and where the list will remain while in development and be remain once finished.<br />
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'''[[User:Daranz|Daranz]]''' - For suggesting that the co-ords are the link to the DEM revive tool which is a fantastic idea. Also created the new template idea so it is easier to add and remove revive points.<br />
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'''[[User:Max Grivas|Max Grivas]]''' - For helping with the re-design of the re-design and giving good ideas and also helping to write up the how to's.<br />
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My biggest thanks go out to these guys for their help during this project, I really appreciate it. This project was originally start on 16<sup>th</sup> October 2006 and it was finally complete around the 5th Feb when Gilant migrated it to the new list. It was a long road but a team effort well completed.<br />
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==Operation:Suburb Pages==<br />
I believe the suburb pages so all look similar so when people are browsing them it is easy to find the information that you want from it. When looking at some of them one day I realized this was not the case so I have taken it upon myself do so. This involves adding the resource template to all the pages, creating a news archive for older news and it rare cases adding the map at the foot of the page.<br />
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Recently [[User:Max Grivas|Max Grivas]] started a project which is basically what I'm doing so I have signed on. Here it is - [[UDWiki:Suburb Style Guide]]<br />
===Suburb News===<br />
For the suburb news, sometimes pages had no news at all and other pages were cluttered with events going back to to September/October 2005. To make the pages more readable I created a news archive like the one that was already on the [[Darvall Heights]] page. One of the first ones I completed was the [[Chudleyton/News Archive]] and this allowed the [[Chudleyton]] page to look alot cleaner.<br />
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Bear in mind that there are 100 suburbs, one already had the format so that left 99 and so far I have completed 37.<br />
====Progress Report====<br />
'''Suburbs Completed''' - 1 to 22 & 24 to 45<br />
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'''Suburbs to go''' - 46-100<br />
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'''Suburbs already with this format''' - 23<br />
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===Suburb Maps===<br />
Well while going about my above task I came across the suburb page for [[Earletown]] which did not have the suburb map at the foot of the page. I spent a while creating this to ensure it maches all other pages and if I happen to stumble across any others then I will note them here.<br />
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====Progress Report====<br />
'''Completed''' - [[Earletown]]<br />
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===Suburb Resources===<br />
As mentioned earlier some of the pages did not have the resource template to show people what resources are in the area. I am also adding these onto the relevant pages when needed.<br />
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====Progress Report====<br />
'''Completed'''<br />
*[[Chudleyton]]<br />
*[[Darvall Heights]]<br />
*[[Dunell Hills]]<br />
*[[Eastonwood]]<br />
*[[East Becktown]]<br />
*[[Judgewood]]<br />
*[[Lukinswood]]<br />
*[[Molebank]]<br />
*[[Peddlesden Village]]<br />
*[[Richmond Hills]]<br />
*[[Roywood]]<br />
*[[West Becktown]]<br />
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'''To Do'''<br />
*[[Crooketon]]<br />
*[[Dartside]]<br />
*[[Foulkes Village]]<br />
*[[Greentown]]<br />
*[[Grigg Heights]]<br />
*[[Mornington]]<br />
*[[New Arkham]]<br />
*[[North Blythville]]<br />
*[[Old Arkham]]<br />
*[[Ruddlebank]]<br />
*[[South Blythville]]<br />
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==Group Pages==<br />
===[[Upper Left Corner]]===<br />
The first group I joined in UD and I have been with them ever since. I took it upon myself to clean up the wiki page once and ever since then I keep making adjustments, adding news and doing overall improvements to it. My character for this group is ''el pils''.<br />
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==Policies==<br />
Here are the polocies I have written regardless if they have been rejected, withdraw or approved. Current I have wrote one and it is under discussion.<br />
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*[[UDWiki:Moderation/Policy Discussion/Suburb Pages]] - ''Withdrawn''<br />
*:To make sure all suburb pages and relevant news are written from a NPOV. I withdrew this policy after [[User:Max Grivas|Max Grivas]] made the [[UDWiki:Suburb_Style_Guide]] and I feel having this is better than a policy.<br />
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==Projects==<br />
I'm a part of [[UDWiki:Suburb_Style_Guide]] and I'm going to police the suburbs to try and keep them in line.</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Moderation/Policy_Discussion/Automatic_fault_for_capital_I&diff=511070UDWiki talk:Moderation/Policy Discussion/Automatic fault for capital I2007-01-02T14:43:42Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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<div>[[UDWiki:Moderation/Arbitration#TheUncleBob_vs_Angels_of_Mercy|This]] recent bit of drama is [[User:Slavik|not the]] [[User:SIavik|first time]] that trick has been used. This policy isn't terribly important or crucial, but I think it'd just make the wiki a slightly less annoying place.--[[User:SA-TA-EK-Rumisiel|'STER]]-<font size="-3">[[User talk:SA-TA-EK-Rumisiel|Talk]]-[[Moderation|Mod]]</font><sup>[[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]]</sup> 02:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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This is a stupid policy, because it mostly punishes noobies and is just reactionary. [[User:Mr. Necromancer|Mr. Necromancer]] 02:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Seconded. This is stupid.--{{User:Gage/sig}} 02:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:..care to say why?--[[User:SA-TA-EK-Rumisiel|'STER]]-<font size="-3">[[User talk:SA-TA-EK-Rumisiel|Talk]]-[[Moderation|Mod]]</font><sup>[[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]]</sup> 03:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
::That is why we have [[M/A]]. We can sort this shit out ourselves, and don't need a policy.--{{User:Gage/sig}} 03:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC)--{{User:Gage/sig}} 03:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, yes, but it just doesn't seem necessary for us to have a great big argument with rebuttals and so on every time someone plays a lame trick with a font loophole. We could not have any rules at all and settle every problem with an arbitration, but we'd rather not.--[[User:SA-TA-EK-Rumisiel|'STER]]-<font size="-3">[[User talk:SA-TA-EK-Rumisiel|Talk]]-[[Moderation|Mod]]</font><sup>[[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]]</sup> 22:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Which party is considered to have started it?--[[User:J Muller|J Muller]] 05:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Wait, back up...how the hell could the misunderstanding of the lowercase letter "L" and uppercase letter "i" '''ever''' result in a major disaster worthy of arbitration? The links above don't really show me how this even APPLIES to anything? --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 02:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:The case going on right now between TheUncleBob and and Angels of Mercy is a perfect example. Because somebody in AoM used this trick to play a joke on Bob, he got annoyed, we had to do a whole arbitration. With this rule we could save time if somebody tries it again.--[[User:SA-TA-EK-Rumisiel|'STER]]-<font size="-3">[[User talk:SA-TA-EK-Rumisiel|Talk]]-[[Moderation|Mod]]</font><sup>[[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]]</sup> 03:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
::I had to dig into the archive again to see what you meant. I understand now...I guess I was just surprised it was over something so simple. The levels people will go to annoy one another boggle the mind. Perhaps we should simplify this so it covers ANY falsification of text characters in such a manner, that way we don't have to go through all possible ASCII font permutations with their own unique policies? --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 23:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Archived==<br />
No vote and it has now been more than two weeks so this gets thrown into the archove section. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 14:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template:RevivePointHeader&diff=494020Template:RevivePointHeader2006-12-15T15:29:13Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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==Trenchcoat==<br />
Thanks for upgrading and improving the ULC wiki, you have done a great job! --[[User:Trenchcoat|Trenchcoat]] 15:45, 7 May 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Warning==<br />
Please do not vandalise this wiki. If you continue this behaviour, you may be banned from editing the wiki. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 13:20, 12 June 2006 (BST)<br />
:The edit in question was [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Upper_Left_Corner&curid=8445&diff=287795&oldid=282702&rcid=291192 this]. Do not change other users' comments. --[[User:Brizth|Brizth]] <sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Brizth|T]] [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 13:24, 12 June 2006 (BST)<br />
*Apologies, I didn't realize that would be such a major offence, I'll ensure that it don't happen again - [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 14:30, 12 June 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Sub Pages==<br />
Well&hellip; we don't actually have the capability to make them here. (Not like with Wikibooks, for example. I would ''kill'' to get those features installed here.) The closest thing to it is like how the moderation pages are currently set up, and for all intents and purposes we treat them the same around here. "Moderation/Deletions", Moderation/Guidelines", etc. If you are worried about the new name that the page will have, just use the {{tl|Custom Title}} to get around it. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 16:28, 30 June 2006 (BST)<br />
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:Oh, just letting you know, I'd be happy to move your various ULC pages to sub-pages. If you want me to, leave me a message on my talk page. <br />
::[[User:Darth Sensitive|Darth Sensitive]] <sup>[[User talk:Darth Sensitive|talk]] • [[Project Welcome|W!]] </sup> 02:39, 6 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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==The Jerk List==<br />
So how does one get off your Jerk List? --[[User:Technerd|Technerd]] 16:11, 10 July 2006 (BST)<br />
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==ULC...?==<br />
Is it becoming a zombie group? I saw a post about this a few days ago, but I haven't seen any follow up. Just wondering - [[User:Bango Skank|Bango Skank]] 23:27, 7 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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== Hey! ==<br />
You forgot Roftwood on your pub list! (I hear the Pendall Arms have some very Rare Ales...)--[[User:Canuhearmenow|Canuhearmenow]] 14:23, 16 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Page was formatted for a reason.==<br />
Thank you for messing up my group's page. (reverted) Leave it that way.<br />
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Got a problem? Post in the discussion page: that is why it exists. --[[User:Terminator 484|Terminator 484]] <sup>[[FedCom]] | [[DEM]]</sup> 02:39, 22 September 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Boo==<br />
I've protected your sig, we've had a spate of vandalism recently and they are prime targets. If you need it modified, bug a moderator. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 16:10, 4 October 2006 (BST)<br />
:I can remove it, but your signature seems to be working fine. Or did you mean you stuffed the template up? If so, just modify the template so that it is fixed and I can recache your sig for you, fixing that. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 16:15, 4 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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Fixed the nav on your sig. --{{User:Brizth/sig}} 16:14, 4 October 2006 (BST)<br />
:Odd, your message wasn't here when I asked him what was wrong, but your edit on the sig was. Nevermind. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 16:18, 4 October 2006 (BST)<br />
::Weird. Oh well. --{{User:Brizth/sig}} 16:24, 4 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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Pillsy, I noticed that you are not properly using your sig template as template. For example see mine and Xoid's signatures on this page (in edit mode). To do the same, set your signature as follows in your preferences:<br />
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and it should work. --{{User:Brizth/sig}} 16:24, 4 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Lerwill Heights edit==<br />
Please take into consideration there may be active editing going on when the last modification was 4 minutes prior. You wiped out a lot of my formatting which I had to redo in order to edit out a minor personal preference. If you're not active in the Suburb editing the TOC location because 'it makes the page look like crap' should not apply. Changes reverted and formatting manually re-done. --[[User:Gimmic|Gimmic]] 17:02, 12 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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==The Second Annual Malton Iditarod==<br />
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You bet your ass there's going to be a second Iditarod! The exact shape of it is still in development. There are a lot of lessons learned from last year we want to incorporate into this year's drunken mayhem. For one thing there'll be a massive increase in the Iditarod staff. Perhaps as many as 4 or 5 staffers compared to the 1 and 1/2 that led last year. Certain traditions shall remain however. Like all Iditaroders who contact me by e-mail shall be welcomed onto the Iditarod with an mp3 of Fanfare for the Common Man. Being an Iditarod the exact date will probably be sometime in late December or whatever month seems to be the coldest. More to come when the official announcement is made, probably sometime in mid-November. [[User:Tyler Whitney0|Tyler Whitney0]] 03:11, 14 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Dakerstown==<br />
If you can run up a page on how it should look with the new format I'll do the cut and paste job for you. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:35, 14 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Movement==<br />
I moved [[UD Hunter Hunters\News Archive]] to [[UD Hunter Hunters/News Archive]] as it should be.--{{User:Gage/sig}} 15:17, 16 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Newbie Questions==<br />
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I made a User Sig page but when I use four tildes (~) it doesn't show up. How do you make four tildes mean use '''User:Bubbadick/sig''' like this {{User:Bubbadick/sig}}? Thanks. <br />
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[[User:Bubbadick|Bubba]] 03:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC) <- This is from using the 4 tildes. No custom signature shows up.<br />
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==RP List==<br />
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Will you be using the separate page for the list or not? I'll take the parser offline tomorrow and start changing it and testing against the new page format. Thanks! --[[User:Gilant|Gilant]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gilant|talk]]|[[DEM]]</sup> 23:08, 25 October 2006 (BST)<br />
:Put it on the current page, then put a big notice at the top to take a vote on moving it?<br />
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'''Big''' problem (for me). The status is no longer available in the page source. I need to be able to parse out the current status. --[[User:Gilant|Gilant]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gilant|talk]]|[[DEM]]</sup> 18:39, 28 October 2006 (BST)<br />
:Hmm, looks like you could add a class to the div for status. But since each row has its own name that is more work than I can invest, particularly with a busted arm. :( --[[User:Gilant|Gilant]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gilant|talk]]|[[DEM]]</sup> 19:36, 28 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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'''Not ready for prime time''' - Don' get me wrong the list is beautifuly presented. It is not that hard to update an existing RP after you learn the magic code <nowiki>{{xx2_whatever}}</nowiki>. It ''very much complicates'' adding and removing RP's. The phone mast templates on which this list has been based present a set of data that never changes. New phone masts do not come and go weekly. Hardcoding in the number of RPs annd their locations into the templates themselves is not really a good idea. Templates are better used to present information that never changes. The suburb, location name and coords should be being passed into the template aswell. Removing an RP from the middle of the list will prove no easier. After becoming familiar with the templates they are not ''that'' hard to work with. It does take quite a bit of learning curve before one understands how the nested includes play on one another. I will look at each of the templates again but my intital impression is that we don't want the average RP maintainer to be editing {{tl|RevivePointAlpha}}. Users should be able to walk into [[Revivification Point]] and have a simple set of instructions to add a new RP or remove an RP that has been marked unknown too long. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 19:18, 28 October 2006 (BST)<br />
: Very good points. I just discovered all this myself trying to add the status into the source for parsing. The user definitely shouldn't need to do anything but copy an existing entry and edit the values of the template variables. ... I'm not sure how you managed the alternate line backround color changes, but if that table wrapper can just be defined on the RP page, then couldn't the template for a specific RP handle all the row stuff? On the RP page:<br />
<nowiki><table id="RevPnts" yada yada><br />
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{{RevPoint|<br />
var1=""|<br />
var2=""|<br />
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{{RevPoint|<br />
var1=""|<br />
var2=""|<br />
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: With the RevPoint template handling the row details. Delegating portions of the RevPoint template to subtemplates can be done with:<br />
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:See the [[UBP]]'s [[Template:BarricadePlan|Barricade Plan template]] for a usage example. This would, I think, allow you to do what it looks like you are trying while letting each entry be it's own template call, making adding and removing entries easier. Very sorry I didn't notice the implementation detail earlier!{{Unsigned|Gilant|11:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)}}<br />
::You guys have no idea how right you are, why oh why did people wait till I had put into use to come up with these major faults. Well fuck it, I've set it back to the original and start again. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 11:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::Um, because I'm a bit slow? It wasn't obvious as a problem to you either at first though, eh? ;) Seriously though, I am sorry. I knew you were using templates and just looked at the presentation and assumed you had sorted out the backend details for common usage already. I just didn't note the details on how the backbone was set up and its implications for users adding new RPs. I'll check out Daranz's prototype in a minute. --[[User:Gilant|Gilant]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gilant|talk]]|[[DEM]]</sup> 13:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==RP List Version 2==<br />
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The updated version looks parsable. Scanning for multiple tables is just a small amount of extra work, and the missing detail (status) is now available. I will request one change and inquire about considering another. <br />
*First, right now the tables have id="RevPnt" as an attribute. An 'id' should ideally (IMHO) refer to a unique entity. Since this attribute is only used, AFAIK, for easily identifying the table, please just change id to class.<br />
*Second, did you look at breaking the list down alphabetically? It may be that it isn't possible to get as even a breakdown, but if it comes close, I think users will find it much easier to locate their suburb.<br />
Thanks again for your incredible efforts on this!!! --[[User:Gilant|Gilant]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gilant|talk]]|[[DEM]]</sup> 17:17, 15 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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: The id->class change is taken care of. :) Change is in Template:RevivePointHeader. --[[User:Gilant|Gilant]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gilant|talk]]|[[DEM]]</sup> 20:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::I think this really looks manageable now. If Gilant can parse it and it doesn't break zmmas lets try it. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 13:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==TZH==<br />
You made a comment on the [[Team Zombie Hardcore]] Talk page. We claim that Covert Ops Wizard and Finnius are zerged alts. This is NOT just from circumstantial evidence. We have information from a third party that Finnius claimed to be his alt, as well there are language usage similarities noted very recently. As a highly coordinated group ourselves, organizing over gtalk and AIM, TZH does not make these accusations lightly. We waited until more substantial evidence was brought forth before we made the claim, as such, the claim stands. {{unsigned|Tiger Striped Dog}}<br />
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I couldn't really log in long, I was going to withdraw it anyway. {{unsigned|Rogue}}</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Primeval&diff=489583User talk:Primeval2006-12-11T09:02:31Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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Great to hear your group is still active. Please make your protect/unprotect request on [[UDWiki:Moderation/Protections]], for the official record, and we will be quick to get you going again. Thanks. Good to hear from you. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 02:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Glad to see you have requested the unprotection and it's nice to hear the group is still around. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 09:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template:Borat&diff=474942Template:Borat2006-11-29T12:18:34Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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<div>{{Flagbox|#000000|Borat-flag.jpg|Borat Approved| This user is 100% Borat Approved. High Five!}}</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Moderation/Policy_Discussion/defunctgroups&diff=466248UDWiki talk:Moderation/Policy Discussion/defunctgroups2006-11-21T11:38:15Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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<div>I don't know, it would seem kind of pointless to me just to have a list of historical groups. I would personally put it up for deletion if I saw it as it serves no purpose. No if it had say a description of what the group was about and maybe what they did then it would be a different story. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 11:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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More importantly, this doesnt require a policy. If Rouge sees a need for the page He can simply create it. I will say that on average between 2 and 5 groups a Week are created in UD, with between 1 and six going defunct. That page would become pretty large, pretty fast espescially if all of the non-historical groups are posted even with only one line of description. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 11:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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I don't see a problem with re-using a defunct group's name - in fact, after being disappointed when the group name I wanted ([[Malton Power & Light]]) had already been taken, I snapped it up once the group had been deleted. (I did make a point of acknowledging that there'd been an earlier MP&L.) Isn't part of the point of deleting unused groups to free up the namespace? [[User:Paul Brunner|Paul Brunner]] 13:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
::*Thats a good point. We wouldn't want to prevent 'recycling' of good ideas. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 17:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah I can see that. The reason why I didn't just post it, Conndraka. Is what would be the point if it was deleted in 15 minutes. I just wanted an opinion on if it even deserved a page.--[[User:Rogue|Rogue]] 05:16, 4 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
Don't shoot me, but I also see a definitional problem: what actually constitutes a group? I haven't been here long, but I've seen plenty of "groups" come and go, often with one member. Then there are the "groups" that are created solely for trolling or griefing; I'm certain we can all think of a couple of those. Oh, and the zerg packs (or gaggles, or herds, or whatever zergs come in). The Crit 9s with "user names" that sound like group names. Do they all make the list, or is there some threshold level of "groupness" that qualifies them for inclusion? Meh. Now, a list of troll/grief/zerg groups with a bit of history on the well-deserved fate met by each -- THAT would be some fun reading. -- {{User:Atticus Rex/Sig}} 08:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC) '''ETA:''' Kidding about that last bit, guys. -- {{User:Atticus Rex/Sig}} 23:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Archived==<br />
This policy has not had any discussion for two weeks and has not been moved to voting so withinh in the rules of the policy discussion it has been removed. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 11:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template:Timetodie&diff=462072Template:Timetodie2006-11-17T16:06:17Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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<div>Well recently I subjected alot of unused templates for deletion and some were saved (lucky bastards) so I have created this sanctuary to save them for being on such a horrid page. If you wish to save a template then let me know by any means possible.<br />
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{{RiverTacticSmalll}}<br />
{{Retired}}<br />
{{Pokyzombie}}<br />
{{NationalismSmall}}<br />
{{Gotcha}}<br />
{{GTIOFW}}<br />
{{Christmas}}<br />
{{MHS}}<br />
{{Eddieman}}<br />
{{Classic}}<br />
{{Amazing!}}<br />
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If you edit this page I will report you for vandalism because I'm mean like that.</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Moderation/Policy_Discussion/Policy_to_Not_Make_Policies_That_Specifically_Relate_to_Other_Policies_That_Are_Currently_Under_Voting_or_Being_Discussed_on_the_Policy_Discussion_Page&diff=459410UDWiki talk:Moderation/Policy Discussion/Policy to Not Make Policies That Specifically Relate to Other Policies That Are Currently Under Voting or Being Discussed on the Policy Discussion Page2006-11-15T11:11:19Z<p>Pillsy: /* Archive */</p>
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<div>==Oh Snap==<br />
I should have known better than to tangle with one of our distinguished wiki elders. Clearly I have been served. -- [[User:Alan Watson|Alan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[Philosophe Knights|P]][[Malton Telephone|M]]</sup> 03:34, 26 October 2006 (BST)<br />
: hardly -- [[User:Rueful|Rueful]] 03:36, 26 October 2006 (BST)<br />
::I only ask that you spare my children, sir. They've done nothing wrong. -- [[User:Alan Watson|Alan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[Philosophe Knights|P]][[Malton Telephone|M]]</sup> 03:37, 26 October 2006 (BST)<br />
:::This is hilarious. You have spamed [[Special:Recentchanges]] like no other. Expect pain to rain down from the heavens when the mods decide what to do with you.--{{User:Gage/sig}} 03:39, 26 October 2006 (BST)<br />
::::Me? I made, like, two edits to this talk page, which I admit were sort of juvenile, and a policy to keep people from continuing to make "unban so-and-so" policies one right after another. I'm sorry I've done some flaming but I'm not seeing how I've been on the level of Mia or Rueful in this case. -- [[User:Alan Watson|Alan Watson]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alan_Watson|T]]·[[Ridleybank Resistance Front|R]][[Philosophe Knights|P]][[Malton Telephone|M]]</sup> 03:43, 26 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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==New Takes On Current Ideas?==<br />
What about new policy suggestions that deal with the same ISSUE a currently discussed/voted on policy has, but tackles it in a new or innovative way that the pre-existing policies cannot/refuse to suggest? I haven't seen the same level of abuse on the Wiki policy pages over the past year or so as I have on the, say, game suggestion page. But couldn't those methods we use there be just as good here, ie the 'Spam' vote method? Let the collective viewers flag for Spam, with a moderator making the final call after a key Spam vote # was reached? --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 22:03, 26 October 2006 (BST)<br />
:Right now, people are trying to delete a policy instead of voting against it and giving the thing a shot. Regardless of what anyone thinks of that policy, the idea that you should be able to delete an idea before people find out whether it's worth a damn is ridiculous. It makes a back door for getting rid of ideas and that's superfluous at best and book burning at worst. It looks like the policy vote thing is going to be the new-place-to-tell-other-users-how-much-you-hate-them section. Adding the spam system from the suggestions page, which is controversial at best, will serve only to bring old problems and hatreds into this new arena. --[[User:Ron Burgundy|Ron Burgundy]] 09:55, 27 October 2006 (BST)<br />
::So you're saying that if I made [[UDWiki:Moderation/Policy Discussion/Ron Burgundy is a Douchebag]] that it should be voted upon? Some things are clearly deletable with a second thought. {{User:Xoid/sig}} 21:24, 27 October 2006 (BST)<br />
:::While I agree with Xoid in principle, in practice 'common sense' isn't always common...even good mods make bad calls. It'd be nice to have a slight check in place. Perhaps the whole need for 'Spamination' of policies is really whats being called for. {{Unsigned|MorthBabid|05:57, 28 October 2006 (BST)}}<br />
::::…and what about users who make even worse decisions? "'''Keep''' - A vote for nun-chuck using nuns being in game is a vote for common sense!" (It's only a matter of time, mark my words…) –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 11:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::::It all boils down to whats more at risk of us losing as a whole, as opposed to the snowball-effect risk. The fine line between limiting enough and not limiting too much? An unpopular idea doesn't negate its validity as an idea itself. Just because you and I don't like the idea of nuns doesn't mean someone shouldn't be able to suggest it PERIOD...but it SHOULD mean that it has the potential to be spammed if the populus demands it. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 21:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::I'm saying each issue should only have one vote. Otherwise, it's convoluted and superfluous while voted upon and might be contradictory when implemented. Suppose the policy looks like it's going to pass by a wide margin and then gets deleted by a small one. --[[User:Ron Burgundy|Ron Burgundy]] 00:52, 28 October 2006 (BST)<br />
::::So if no one noticed that ''that'' page had been made, then three days later the creator started voting, then it should've remained the whole two weeks? (I wonder what would've happened if it passed.) Uh, yeah, I'll get back to you on that Ron. –[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] <sup>[[Special:Listusers/sysop|M]]•[[User talk:Xoid|T]]•<span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net F]</span>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 11:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::::If we're going to vote upon whether we should vote upon issues, we'll get an infinite regress. Should we vote upon whether we can vote upon voting and then vote again upon that? I don't think the wiki has that much space. Can you put a section of a page up for deletion? That is, can I put the delete-the-unban-Amazing thing up for deletion- and if I did, could someone in turn try to delete my attempt at deletion? No, of course not. It's absurd, superfluous, inflationary, convoluted, bureaucratic, and senseless- maybe even common senseless. :) --[[User:Ron Burgundy|Ron Burgundy]] 08:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Bubba has come up with an unique twist on this idea in the section below, which I think addresses all of the issues we're talking about. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 18:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Dense==<br />
I'm sorry, but this policy is kind of incomprehensible, imho. In the title you say that you cannot make a policy that refers to policies under discussion or voting. That seems clear enough. But the text is kind of murky. May I suggest the following (or something like it) for policy text:<br />
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''Proposing new policies that refer to one or more policies currently under discussion or currently being voted on is not permitted. Proposals which violate this rule will be submitted for speedy deletion. This policy does not prohibit proposing policies that modify existing approved policies. Nor does this policy prohibit proposing policies that refer to previously rejected policies.'' <br />
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I would also suggest that the proposed policy be renamed to something like this: ''Policy prohibiting new policy proposals that refer to existing policy proposals during discussion or voting period.'' <br />
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Seems a little cleaner to me. [[User:Bubbadick|Bubba]] 23:41, 26 October 2006 (BST)<br />
: I read the criteria for speedy deletion and there isn't one that would allow this. So either you have to add a criteria to it, or better, change the words to this:<br />
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:''Proposing new policies that refer to one or more policies currently under discussion or currently being voted on is not permitted. Proposals which violate this rule will be submitted for <strike>speedy</strike> deletion. This policy does not prohibit proposing policies that modify existing approved policies. Nor does this policy prohibit proposing policies that refer to previously rejected policies.'' [[User:Bubbadick|Bubba]] 00:26, 27 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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::Not bad. That more accurately resembles the way we currently deal with idea sumbissions on the [[Suggestions]] page. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 18:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Contradiction==<br />
This is a policy "not to make policies that specifically relate to other policies." This policy clearly relates to the unbanning policies. If this policy passes, will it retroactively undo itself? --[[User:Ron Burgundy|Ron Burgundy]] 09:57, 27 October 2006 (BST)<br />
:I salute you, sir. -- [[User:Rueful|Rueful]] 14:41, 27 October 2006 (BST)<br />
:My brain hurts. This would be so funny if this happened. [[User:Policymakerman|Policymakerman]] 22:53, 27 October 2006 (BST)<br />
: lol. Point taken. --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 05:55, 28 October 2006 (BST)<br />
:: ((function (x) (x x)) '(function (x) (x x)) [[User:Bubbadick|Bubba]] 18:57, 28 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Archive==<br />
It's been over 2 weeks and no voting. Can we get this archived? I'm unsure if I can do it so I'll leave it. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 23:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Well I'll move it myself since no one seems to care about it. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 11:11, 15 November 2006 (UTC)</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Revivification_Point/How_To_Setup&diff=438260Talk:Revivification Point/How To Setup2006-10-26T12:58:16Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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<div>Well this is my guide on how to add a revive point to the suburb pages. The original section for general advice was written by some unknown force, possibly jesus or god. Any comments about it then they go here. Any questions for me? Talk page for me, just click the T. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 13:58, 26 October 2006 (BST)</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template:RevivePointMapLegend&diff=429028Template:RevivePointMapLegend2006-10-17T12:27:01Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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| style="{{RevivePointStatus|active}}" width=80px height=60px | active<br />
| style="{{RevivePointStatus|slow}}" width=80px height=60px | slow<br />
| style="{{RevivePointStatus|inactive}}" width=80px height=60px | inactive<br />
| style="{{RevivePointStatus|dangerous}}" width=80px height=60px | dangerous<br />
| style="{{RevivePointStatus|unknown}}" width=80px height=60px | unknown<br />
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==Usage==<br />
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<div>==General Discussion==<br />
I feel this policy is needed so the Suburb pages are all in one format and are not biased. Bias on the discussion page is fine but a page describing a suburb and recent events is not a place to be biased. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 20:37, 10 October 2006 (BST)<br />
:If such a policy is done, we will adhere to it. However, seeing as how Duce Nauks spread lies all over the page and removes other's contents that he doesn't like, to write in a NPOV would be hard, as I have to refute his claims. However, I did put the <nowiki>{{Propaganda}}</nowiki> template so others are warned that the NPOV is not respected. I must say, though, that the page is a good place to send a message to the people of the suburb. -''[[User:Certified=Insane|Certified=Insane]]<sub>[[Urban Guerillas|UG]]</sub>'' 21:34, 10 October 2006 (BST)<br />
::I think it is great that you have shown interest in this area of the wiki which I too feel needs quite a bit of attention. I completely agree that many of the suburb pages reflect unneeded bias. I am not as confident that a policy is the the most appropriate way to stimulate interest in correcting the problem. I feel the problem has been a long standing one which seems to have escalated in recent months. (IMHO) .. A more appropriate way to resolve the issue might be for us all to contribute some of our suggestions as the basis for the long overdue page [[UDWiki:Suburb_Style_Guide]]. There we could also solicit the rest of the community to contribute their ideas as well and help shape the use of those pages in a more wiki-traditional way. If the concepts we come up with there are reasonable they should stand up within the systems of conflict resolution we already have in place. Example: by first attempting to resolve the matter by expressing the problem via each authors talk page pointing out a rational desire to improve the point of view and/or, failing that, by pointing out the same rational desires through [[M/A]] and [[M/VB]] as appropriate. One of the most difficult challenges to this this alternate proposal is that fact that many ''News Items'' are now being entered as signed comments which precludes authors from correcting, altering or improving them without being brought up on impersonation charges on [[M/VB]]. While I agree it is not in the best interest of readers to have information presented in this way, I also don't see these as the type of edits which need such a direct course to a record of vandalism. I think that enacting this as a policy will create a harder edge that discourages contributions to suburb pages instead of encouraging more frequent and accurate updates. If you continue to hold the opinion that a policy is the best way to proceed, consider a wording that disallows signed comments in some if not all areas of the suburb page itself, and perhaps allows authors to archive and or re-write any such comments that currently stand. This would keep the suburb pages in a shape that allows any author to make genuine improvements to the page without being brought up on vandalism charges themselves. What I would like to see is a way that we can fix the problem with out being vandals ourselves but without having to declare every author that came before us as having broken a policy or committed vandalism. Maybe that is what stating ''all news and information on the Suburb page would need to be in a NPOV'' means. If that's what your proposing then I'm for it. I just don't want to see so many [[M/VB]] cases arise from a policy when [[M/A]] might be able to handle the issues as they arise. --{{User:Max Grivas/sig}} 21:55, 10 October 2006 (BST)<br />
:The thing with Duce Nauks (the Dakerstown page was cited, so I'm continuing on it...) is that he is unreasonable. He exagerates everything, edits other's posts, and goes out of his way to call others liar and promote himself. Hell, he even modified signed posts. That is why I can't go along with an "unsigned" entry concept that allows anyone to modify news entry, because users, like Duce Nauks (I'm not hiding it, I hate that guy, you should check all the changes he did on wiki pages, it's incredible), would be allowed to totally delete others entry and give their "version" of the truth, as in, for exemple, saying "suffered a high percentage of casualties", instead of "we killed 1 member", and stating facts that may be true to their knowledge, but is not the real truth. An unrelated exemple could be if a horde moves in a suburb. Say they take the east half only. Well, the suburb would have two entries, one saying "OMG WE FUCKING DOOMED!!11!!1!", and another saying "no zombies seen". Each respects the NPOV, and is stated to the poster's full knowledge, but the second poster will obviously overwrite the first entry as he will deem it a lie, an exageration, or something else. However, I would like to suggest an extra section for groups to deliver messages to the suburb, which would not need to follow the NPOV. That would allow groups to advertise their activities in a suburb. -''[[User:Certified=Insane|Certified=Insane]]<sub>[[Urban Guerillas|UG]]</sub>'' 00:27, 11 October 2006 (BST)<br />
::I see what your saying, for editing other users comments he should be reported for vandalism as that is classed impersonation. I have no issue with groups recording their activities but in a description of the suburb and also the news should not be biased. I like Max's idea about the comments not being signed. At the moment this is just under discussion so any good ideas or tweaks would be great. If it's found a policy is not needed then even better but like I say it, it just seems to be getting out of hand on cerating suburbs. Max's idea of a style guide is also good. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 09:50, 11 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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*Let the individual suburbs take care of themselves to a point. While even my own 'home' of [[Yagoton]] is in need of a shape-up from time to time, espcially with less Wiki-experienced members (case in point is its current news state?), we can't go around making a form for everything. Let innovation and codemonkey obessisive-compulsives manage it on their own time, unless a blatant major eyesore occurs that threatens the Wiki as a whole. Like THAT will really happen. :) --[[User:MorthBabid|MorthBabid]] 04:52, 11 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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*Let the population of individual suburbs take care of their wikis in the fashion they see fit. A fragmentary knowledge base is part of a post-apocalyptic game. Some suburbs will be beacons of clear, accurate information. Others, overrun with Zs and Griefers, will be nothing but poisonous misinformation (and kudos to those who highlight their suburb's "ironic state" somehow). While others will be more of a Rashomon report, where the "truth" will clearly have to be decided by future readers. The city's big enough to allow all of this. The policy proposes smacks of information totalitarianism, which might ultimately stagnate the feel of the game.--[[User:The Envoy|The Envoy]] 14:28, 11 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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*There needs to be certain rules about those pages though, I just moved a big chunk from the October 12th entry of the Dakerstown page... Check it's Talk page, you'll see what things are deteriorating to (and keep in mind this was posted under the '''news''' section). -''[[User:Certified=Insane|Certified=Insane]]''<sup>[[Urban Guerillas|☭]]</sup> 02:42, 13 October 2006 (BST)<br />
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==Withdrawing==<br />
I'm withdrawing this policy. Max has started [[UDWiki:Suburb_Style_Guide]] and I feel that is a better option that having a policy. {{User:Pillsy/Sig}} 13:14, 13 October 2006 (BST)</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:St._Luke%27s_Cathedral&diff=379144Talk:St. Luke's Cathedral2006-08-31T08:00:29Z<p>Pillsy: </p>
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<div>==Multi-block Structure==<br />
I've repaired the multi-block structre as it was broken. It seems the problem lies with St. Luke's being across 2 suburbs so for the time being I have put the suburb as Brooke Hills/Shearbank. If any one knows a way around this then by all means fix it! [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] <sup><span class="plainlinks">[http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net/index.php F!]</span></sup> 09:00, 31 August 2006 (BST)</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Combe_Lane&diff=368954Combe Lane2006-08-23T15:45:58Z<p>Pillsy: Changed New Arkham to Earletown</p>
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<div>There are two [[Empty Blocks#Street|streets]] bearing the name '''Combe Lane''' in the city of [[Malton]]. These are:<br />
*[[Combe Lane (Dunell Hills)|Combe Lane]], in the [[suburb]] of [[Dunell Hills]].<br />
*[[Combe Lane (Earletown)|Combe Lane]], in the suburb of [[Earletown]].<br />
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{{disambig}}</div>Pillsyhttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk:Moderation/Policy_Discussion/Limit_Suggestions&diff=367494UDWiki talk:Moderation/Policy Discussion/Limit Suggestions2006-08-22T14:07:28Z<p>Pillsy: /* Praise */</p>
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This is a great policy suggestion, I think it'll help limit the amount of dumb suggestions and help people think through their suggestion thouroughly before they submit it. {{User:CaptainM/sig}} 23:06, 21 August 2006 (BST)<br />
:Exactly the reasons I wrote it up.--''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 23:34, 21 August 2006 (BST)<br />
::'''Mr.A''' is going to cry if this gets implemented. I'm willing to vote for it.--[[User:Thari|Thari]] <sup>[[User talk:Thari|T]]/[[CFT|C]]/[[TJ|TJ!]]</sup> 00:21, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
:::He shall shed tears which will, like the tears of a phoenix, heal those wounds which his stupid suggestions gave to my weak and frail form.--''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 01:54, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
Id vote yes ''IF'' it had something about previous suggestions killed/spammed/RMB. --[[User:Gold Blade|Gold Blade]] <sup>[[Witch_Burners|Hunt!]] </sup> 00:24, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
:what do you mean?--''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 01:46, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
::If they had one that was author removed, killed, or spammed, then this would come into efect. Keeps people like poor Mr. A from spamming the suggestions page, but doesn't harm innocents who simply have a lot of suggestions. --[[User:Gold Blade|Gold Blade]] <sup>[[Witch_Burners|Hunt!]] </sup> 01:58, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
:::I am having trouble understanding what you mean... you want people that have had a spammed suggestion to be able to create more? This policy allows people to ''revise'' their one suggestion per day, but requires them to remove the old one first. This policy also prohibits people from withdrawing one suggestion and submitting a totally different one. --''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 02:01, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
::::No no no, i mean that if its spammed/author removed then they ''cannot'' make any more for the day. --[[User:Gold Blade|Gold Blade]] <sup>[[Witch_Burners|Hunt!]] </sup> 02:06, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
:::::People need to be able to make revisions, but only if it is a slight tweaking.--''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 02:16, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
::::::I mean, they can tweak it, but they cant post other sugestions, as they should make one suggestion perfect or remove it before going on to another. --[[User:Gold Blade|Gold Blade]] <sup>[[Witch_Burners|Hunt!]] </sup> 02:19, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
:::::::I am pretty sure, as is, the policy says that. Tell me if you disagree. --''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 02:29, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
::::::::Yes, but it isnot set to 1, its set to three until a suggestion is edited. --[[User:Gold Blade|Gold Blade]] <sup>[[Witch_Burners|Hunt!]] </sup> 06:21, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
I like it but I think it should be 2 suggestions per day. One does seem a little too harsh. [[User:Pillsy|Pillsy]] 15:07, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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I think making it two suggestions per day would be better. Anyway wouldn't this be better suited to be put [[Talk:Suggestions#Policy_Discussion|here]]? - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] 02:33, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
:nobody ever reads that do they?--''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 02:40, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
::Unh, not as many people but it's still the more appropiate place for it. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]] 06:20, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
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== I think not ==<br />
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First, this belongs on [[Talk:Suggestions]]. However, I don't like this change as it currently stands. I would vote for a maximum of two suggestions per day, but one per day is too restrictive. Also, you provide no reason for the change. I'd be happier if you explained why you think the rule needs to be changed. {{User:BobHammero/Sig}} 06:19, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
:can a banner be placed at the top of the screen linking to this potential change? I wan't people to know about it. If you can do that, feel free to just move it yourself too.--''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 06:39, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
::It could just be me (that's definitely a possibility), but last time I checked Bob didn't need your permission to do things. Nor did he take your orders. You want it publicised? Do it yourself. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 08:23, 22 August 2006 (BST)<br />
:::I didn't order him to do anything, prick. I never was bothering you, leave me alone. --''[[User:Gage|Gage]]'' 14:59, 22 August 2006 (BST)</div>Pillsy