https://wiki.urbandead.com/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Vasari&feedformat=atomThe Urban Dead Wiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T14:47:07ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.37.1https://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=The_Dead_2.0&diff=1902740The Dead 2.02011-06-06T23:50:58Z<p>Vasari: Happy June 6th everyone :)</p>
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Jun 6, 2011 Never forget '''SOUTH KOREAN MEMORIAL DAY'''<br />
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In South Korea Memorial Day is held every June 6 to commemorate men and women who died while in military service during the Korean War.<br />
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[[Category:Zombie Groups]]</div>Vasarihttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=File:Usaskpeace.jpg&diff=1902739File:Usaskpeace.jpg2011-06-06T23:49:22Z<p>Vasari: </p>
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<div></div>Vasarihttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:The_Dead_2.0&diff=1901599Talk:The Dead 2.02011-06-05T18:52:02Z<p>Vasari: /* So, what now? */</p>
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fuck anime though, srsly --[[User:Rotting TRex|Rotting TRex]] 12:18, 24 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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== U HAVE BEEN WARNED ==<br />
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[03:33:50 pm] * fuckthedead (Mibbit@synIRC-77E4D6A0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #urbandead<br><br />
[03:41:58 pm] <fuckthedead> hello who is leader here<br><br />
[03:42:34 pm] <fuckthedead> i wish to speak with leader of the dead<br><br />
[03:43:40 pm] <fuckthedead> we are prepared to offer you certain suburbs in exchange for your cessastion of hostility<br><br />
[03:44:46 pm] <fuckthedead> It is possible that we can find the trees but it will take some time, this is a good deal and I think you should accept it<br><br />
[03:45:11 pm] <fuckthedead> name three suburbs and we will say they are yours <br><br />
[03:45:48 pm] <fuckthedead> I think you should except this deal because it will only be offered once<br><br />
[03:46:26 pm] <fuckthedead> because if you dont then our conflict will extend beyond the game and yes i am serious. that is all<br><br />
[03:46:55 pm] <fuckthedead> U have been warned.<br><br />
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our conflict will extend beyond the game... and <i>onto the wiki</i> oh god no guys we should have accepted his terms. i'd much prefer to just fucking chill in three suburbs as a zombie instead of doing what we came here to do right guys? the idea of a "cessation of hostility" between survivors and the dead is fucking laughable. get the fuck out.<br />
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<i>I shall smash the door and shatter the bolt,<br><br />
I shall smash the doorpost and overturn the doors,<br><br />
I shall raise up the dead and they shall eat the living:<br><br />
The dead shall outnumber the living</i><br />
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-- [[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-&#39;Iraqi|عبد الريحم بن حسين بن عبد الرحمن العراقي المصري]] 07:35, 24 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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My boys don't stop for nothin' <3 --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 01:07, 25 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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SHIT {{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:03, 25 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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== JAMES BROWN APPRECIATION STATION ==<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM_nmJ_VqlM - He made our livers quiver and our bladders splatter. The world's Godfather of Soul and Soul Brother #1. You will be missed. --{{User:DerpDerp/Sig}} 21:51, 20 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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== shit ==<br />
now we have something to do this summer \o/ --<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 05:04 3 April 2011 (UTC)</small><br />
==Movement==<br />
There has got to be a better place for this. Anywhere really, ideas for the most suitable home until this can be expanded as an actual existing event and not a building timeline with one point? --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 11:26, 3 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:Throw it into my namespace if its otherwise wasted.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:07, 3 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::I don't know if it is to be honest, haven't been on the game in a while but, there has got to be either more or a more relevant place where they are actually, say, active? --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 12:30, 3 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Perhaps we should leave it be until some more information is acquired... It's only been two days and it isn't hurting anyone. Although from what Nubis/DCC used to say, The Dead are notoriously anti-wiki so we may see ourselves through this whole dead resurgence thing without any 'official' news from the leaders/members. Surely there isn't any harm in waiting though. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 14:16, 3 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::I agree with Karek. I've stumbled over this page twice now walking back to the map room. What does Krazymouse think this is? Some sort of wiki where users are allowed to make pages? --[[User:Kirsty cotton|Kirsty cotton]] 15:02, 3 April 2011 (BST)<br />
Not this shit again. Maybe there's already a comprehensive page for the Dead. Something like [[The_Dead|this]] perhaps? We'll decide on our own whether or not we want anything more than that and we don't need you fucking retards deciding for us. That's what brought us here last time and I'm sure a few people remember just how well that went for everyone involved. Do you want that again? --Laughing Man 15:06, 3 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:Your pictures were always excellent. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:58, 3 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:Why wouldn't we? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 01:21, 4 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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Soooo...any suggestions where to move it? It appears that [[User:Anothergenericzombiee]] views this as a group page. Surely it is not. He reverted some edits as if the group had ownership, though. Maybe it's better suited on a subpage of [[The Dead 2.0]] or even [[The Dead]]. If we keep it here, it is surely to be continuously "vandalised". {{User:Vapor/sig}} <sub>20:27, 4 April 2011</sub><br />
:Move it to Krazymouse's userspace. He has claimed ownership of it by creating it, and as a userspace page, any vandalism can be easily verdicted if necessary. --{{User:Spiderzed/Sandbox/Sig}} 20:34, 4 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::If it's not a user group page, then what is it? Something chronicling current events? Surely that should have an NPOV and not some wacky DHPD propaganda and speculation. If it's Krazymouse's then he can do whatever. --[[User:Anothergenericzombie|Anothergenericzombie]] 23:46, 4 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::It appears to be neither of those things at this moment. I agree with Spider, this should be moved to userspace until it can be worked out what the article really is about. Krazymouses' userspace makes most sense. {{User:Vapor/sig}} <sub>23:59, 4 April 2011</sub><br />
::::It ''should'' be a neutral page chronicling current events, as genericzombie is saying. If it goes another day or so without any useful updates or input from any user, then put it in mouse's userspace, or better yet, just delete it. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 01:46, 5 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::I meant more along the lines of: Can we develop a developing article space for things like this or at least add some content to it? Probably should have been clearer on that, no real reason to move it to his namespace just needs to be made clear that this is a possible future article and wasn't sure if we'd made a new space for developing those. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:02, 5 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::Yeah. I slapped on a "construction" template for now, should at least let people know of its... 'unofficial' nature? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 10:17, 5 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::{{@|Karek}}, I kind of like the idea of a developing articles page or even a developing events page. Can you expand on that idea bit more? Would it tie in with [[UDWiki:Featured Articles/Good Articles]]? This may not be the place to discuss it but I'd be interested to see if we could take your idea somewhere. {{User:Vapor/sig}} <sub>14:57, 5 April 2011</sub><br />
:::::::Are you serious? Can an article not last a week in construction in a mainspace anymore? Sigh -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 15:11, 5 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::{{@|DanceDanceRevolution}}, my comment wasn't specifically aimed at this article or your use of the construction template. I just think a developing article or developing event page would help in situations where an author may not know how to expand their article or would like some tips on how to make it more awesome. If you want to use this article for an example, though, I see that most of the people commenting here are asking for the expansion of the article but nowhere do I see any good suggestions on how to do so. Karek's idea has some merit IMHO and I would like to see if it can be expanded upon. At the very least I'd like to see some suggestion on ''how'' the article can be expanded instead of focusing so much on ''why'' it should be expanded. {{User:Vapor/sig}} <sub>15:29, 5 April 2011</sub><br />
:::::::::Just add stuff, not rocket science. We can start off by adding what's been happening, which I've been doing my best to considering I've not come across them in game (nor care) yet. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 04:35, 6 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::::It's apparently harder than one might think. How many sad and lonely C1 articles do we find on A/D that could have been expanded at some point with some guidance? <br />
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::::::::::Again, this particular article may not need guidance to get going. Adding updates about what's been happening while keeping it NPOV is fine. At some point, some history can be added. I'll probably run into The Dead here in a day or so as they're moving into the Lukinswood area it seems. I'll put in some updates. {{User:Vapor/sig}} <sub>15:01, 6 April 2011</sub><br />
:::The DHPD should not be editing this page, and certainly shouldn't be making edits which aren't NPOV. As far as we are aware DHPD Officer 666 is nothing to do with us (in all fairness The Dead say he's nothing to do with them either). If there is any funny business from DHPD members on this page (or others) report to me and we'll deal with it. {{User:Louise/PCatSig}} 09:41, 5 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::You'll deal with it? Just like how you dealt with The Dead last week? [[User:RustyKuntz|RustyKuntz]]<br />
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they have 1337 members now. hope to god that's deliberate-- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 07:25, 5 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:Nope. Up to 1343 now. {{User:Vapor/sig}} <sub>08:02, 5 April 2011</sub><br />
:: ;_; -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 08:38, 5 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::: It's weird they didn't. Using leetspeak in 2011 would have been a totally bleeding edge form of trolling. --[[User:Deadone|Deadone]] 17:19, 5 April 2011 (BST)<br />
-'''Notices that the Deas has by far the lowest average level of all group'''- [[User:Smyg|Smyg]] 17:31, 5 April 2011 (BST)<br />
: It's extra insulting when your high level, fully fleshed out RP toon gets eaten by 30 level 1's. I'd suggest you try it sometime, but you're not really gonna have a choice. --[[User:Deadone|Deadone]] 17:44, 5 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:Useless info, nothing new. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 04:33, 6 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::Thanks for your amazing insight. [[User:Phuzzy|Phuzzy]] 04:35, 6 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Of course it's nothing new, just interesting. :3 [[User:Smyg|Smyg]] 07:21, 6 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Oh for fuck's sake ==<br />
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Is there going to be a wiki page for every time the Dead shit again? One that chronicles the color and shape? When they start trashing the town then maybe a page should go up, but until then what the fuck are you going to put on it? Stop wasting your time here. And yes, the Dead 3.0 is just as anti-wiki as before and I certainly as fuck don't want to come back here as me or as Nubis. I'm only here to confirm DDR's comment about us.<br />
--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 18:04, 5 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:welcome back, and yes udwiki is a source for all game info.. so what ever the dead shits up is a concern to us here. xoxox --<small> <span style="color: DarkMagenta">The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking </span><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]] 18:28 5 April 2011 (UTC)</small><br />
::There's a stats page, it shows stuff. You know where we start from. Go look at the wiki stuff for there....already updated! So this article isn't really needed because most people already knew what was going on if it concerned them. Another reason is the Dead 2.0 (or whatever the fuck) never left in the first place, so you do the math.--[[User:Deadone|Deadone]] 18:43, 5 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:Aaaaaand there's the other reason I wanted this shunted somewhere until it was possibly relevant. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 08:38, 7 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::I love you,Karek. <3--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 19:43, 17 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::Hey since this page is all about us can we edit it however we want? --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 21:14, 17 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::I sure hope so! {{User:Nubis/sig}} 21:19, 17 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Well, no one else is. This pile can only get better. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 22:50, 17 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Needs more cocks. --[[User:Deadone|Deadone]] 23:05, 20 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::Needs more Hagar. - [[User:Rotting TRex|Rotting TRex]] [[Image:Haggar.gif]]<br />
::::::[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Candida_albicans_PHIL_3192_lores.jpg Needs more Agar.] --[[User:Lex Lotor|Lex Lotor]] 15:16, 21 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::You can edit it, just not "however you want". This is in the main namespace so all edits need to be constructive, replacing valid information with unrelated gifs is not constructive. - [[User:Vantar|Vantar]] 02:01, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Suggesting you DEAL WITH HIT heh [[User:Phuzzy|Phuzzy]] 02:20, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::If you're serious about claiming this page as your own then [[A/MR| have it moved to a sub page of your group]] or we can head down to [[A/A|Arby's]] and sort out the validity of your claim - [[User:Vantar|Vantar]] 03:00, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::Oh, man, can we dad? I love Arbys, I wanna get a big old roast beef sandwich and a giant sized chocolate shake and a big old pile of curly fries and then go into a diabetic coma! Can we dad? Can we? [[User:Phuzzy|Phuzzy]] 19:09, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::SERIOUS, EVERYTHING IS SERIOUS--[[User:Deadone|Deadone]] 03:41, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::{{WIKILAW}} {{User:Nubis/sig}} 04:18, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::Vantar is an important contributor and upholder of High {{WIKILAW}} within this wiki community. You should all take his suggestions a little more seriously.--{{User:DerpDerp/Sig}} 04:32, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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== holy shit daddy bought a new car ==<br />
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Just chiming in to say the new layout officially owns.--{{User:DerpDerp/Sig}} 04:55, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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Is it just me or is it a little meta in here? ''(diff | hist) . . The Dead's Resurgence; 03:53 . . '''(+420)''' . . Underisk (Talk | contribs) (improvements)''--{{User:DerpDerp/Sig}} 04:58, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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Best page tyvm {{User:Nubis/sig}} 04:58, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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This is the best page on the internet --[[User:ShaqFu|ShaqFu]] 05:17, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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RIP JB --[[User:Deadone|Deadone]] 22:21, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Zombies in a zombie apocalypse? No fair! ==<br />
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"Ten months ago, I was first introduced to Urban Dead. A free online game about fighting hordes of the undead and surviving the zombie apocalypse… or so I thought. About seven months ago, I was excited to be playing the game, casually fighting zombies and barricading myself inside buildings while I slept. The game wasn’t and isn’t overly graphic, but I was more than capable of filling in the narrative myself. After getting myself skilled up a bit, four months ago, I decided to create a project for myself in the game, and a week later I had to modify that project due to what had become the glaring flaw in the game’s design. After I abandoned Munford, I took residence in the Pickford Cinema over in Osmondville…<br />
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At this point, I really wish I could say that things took off, the movie theater was made secure, we fortified the doors and beat back the walking dead, slowly spreading out to other theaters and growing a network of safe havens for people to pretend they are watching movies as the undead shamble out in the streets. I really wish I could.<br />
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The major design flaw in Urban Dead is that you, as a survivor, cannot win. And I don’t mean that in a “this is an MMO with endless grinding, a virtual world, and there will be no ‘You win! The end!’ screen.” sort of way… I mean that in a “There will always be more zombies because you can’t kill them for good because they are not NPCs, they are the other players.” sort of way.<br />
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A month we spend inside, making neighboring buildings safe, keeping the free running paths clear. Trips to the mall for supplies, gas from the gas station to keep the generators running… life was pretty good. Then a horde of zombies comes through, breaks down all the barricades, kills all the people, and makes a mess. Now, all us survivors are zombies. Luckily it doesn’t take too long to wander over to a NecroTech building with a revive point, but it does take nearly three weeks to get all those people revived (it takes 20 action points to make a syringe -but you can search for them and cut that down- and 10 action points to revive someone, after you spend a point DNA scanning them, so that 1 person, even if they already have the syringes, can only revive 4 people a day). It takes us another two weeks to get all the buildings back in good order, then the zombies come through again…<br />
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I don’t want to be a zombie. Obviously some people do. But when my game, as a survivor, is actually 75% of the time spent trying to recover from being killed… I would rather lose levels than this. Especially since I have no say in my deaths at all… they all happen when I’m offline.<br />
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I tried. I really tried. Its just not worth the frustration. I play games to be the hero, the guy that “wins”, not to be just another victim.<br />
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I’ll still be keeping my eye out for zombie games, and I still desire to make one… but for now, Urban Dead, as far as I’m concerned, is dead."<br />
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-This is 90% of the UD player base<br />
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--Laughing Man 00:38, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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That guy's blog has <b>443</b> pages of sperging out over zombie games. You'd think he could appreciate just one for not being "survivors tear down big fucking hordes of zombies with assault rifles" [[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-&#39;Iraqi|عبد الريحم بن حسين بن عبد الرحمن العراقي المصري]] 00:47, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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Bwahahaha. This guy. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>01:07, 23 April 2011</sub><br />
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== Fuck Malton, -The Dead ==<br />
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<center>[[Image:FM-TD.jpg]]<br><br><br><span style="font-size:400%;">DISCUSS</span></center><br><br><br />
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<center>You expect us to quit?</center><br><br />
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:I'm unfamiliar with modern-day UD politics, but the map face is too tempting... [[Image:Deadface.gif]] -- [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Amazing Amazing] <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD - FML = HR]])</small> 05:54, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Don't break the page. ==<br />
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Content outside the regular page boundaries will be removed. Yes, it's our beloved wiki-law. -- [[Image:Cat Pic.png|14px]] [[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''Thadeous Oakley''']]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span> 22:34, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
:i kinda thought it was awesome. --<small>[[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|link=User:Sexual Harrison|18px]] &nbsp; [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;</small><small>22:55, 23 April 2011</small><br />
::you thought correctly good sir [[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-&#39;Iraqi|عبد الريحم بن حسين بن عبد الرحمن العراقي المصري]] 23:10, 23 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Happy Fun Times==<br />
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The Dead walk the streets of Malton.<br />
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We know it as we hide and run.<br />
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We know that zombies with have their fun.<br />
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The Dead walk the streets of Malton.<br />
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Their time has come.<br />
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But see his cloak is tattered and torn.<br />
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His scythe is blunt, in light of dawn.<br />
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Amid The Dead, amid the groans<br />
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No longer do they walk alone.<br />
<br />
A new age is born.<br />
<br />
The Dead hides itself amid the crowd<br />
<br />
That presses hard on barricade.<br />
<br />
Every man in Malton needs a shroud<br />
<br />
The Dead are here. The call is loud.<br />
<br />
The Dead walk the streets of Malton tonight<br />
<br />
They are coming.<br />
<br />
---<br />
<br />
The DHPD pulled out of the Hills weeks ago. I’m in the wasteland.<br />
<br />
Between the idea<br />
<br />
and the realitiy<br />
<br />
I stumble across Brains Monroe.<br />
<br />
Between the motion<br />
<br />
And the act<br />
<br />
He’s put down his shotgun, but I’m holding mine.<br />
<br />
Between the emotion<br />
<br />
And the response<br />
<br />
He’s killed many, many of us.<br />
<br />
Between the desire<br />
<br />
and the spasm<br />
<br />
I’ve only killed zombies.<br />
<br />
Falls the Shadow.<br />
<br />
The question is, can I pull the trigger?<br />
<br />
This is the way the world ends<br />
<br />
<br />
This is the way the world ends<br />
<br />
This is the way the world ends<br />
<br />
Not with a bang but a whimper<br />
<br />
---<br />
<br />
Found another one. Should I put the T.S.Eliot quotes in italics or would that spoil the purity of your vision?<br />
<br />
- Louise<br />
<br />
---<br />
<br />
"Gabby, I'm glad I got hold of you. Have you heard about Marty?" "No, what about him?" Cat had come up behind Gabby and caught hold of his hand. "What about Marty?" "Dead. I'm sorry Cat. I thought the news would have already reached you"<br />
<br />
"Oh no!" Cat cried. "Marty is dead in a town where people can come back from the dead by STANDING UP. Whatever shall we do?<br />
<br />
"Gabby smiled broadly and slipped off his chair and onto the floor in front of her. He laid his chin on her knee and stared up at her. This was a trick he had perfected during their fling - of course, he had generally used it to get sex out of her. Now, he was out for information."<br />
<br />
---<br />
<br />
"Spotted a grammatical error"<br />
<br />
- Louise<br />
<br />
---<br />
<br />
"You're worried about what happens next, aren't you."<br />
<br />
I closed my eyes. How to find my way out of this one? or whether even to bother. It might be easier at this point just to submit, at least it wouldn't involve any more pain.<br />
<br />
"A little," I said.<br />
<br />
He stepped forwards, so now his whole body was pressed against mine. I was sandwiched between him and the wall. There was a dull ache everywhere from the beating but at the same time I felt my body reacting to his presence because, heaven help me, it had been a long time. I think I whimpered though I'm not sure if it was from fear or desire or a mixture of both.<br />
<br />
'''"Don't worry. I'm not going to rape you. If we fuck, it'll be because you asked for it."'''<br />
<br />
He kissed me gently on the lips and I felt his breath ghosting across my skin. He lingered like that for a moment, maybe waiting for me to give some sign of reciprocation and believe me I was close to it. Confused thoughts about how sleeping with him might be a situation I could turn to my advantage, or at least be used as a let out from any beatings or further violence, but I hadn't quite reached breaking point.<br />
<br />
What is the conclusion? I am a Toreador and I am pre-disposed to forming strong emotional attachments with people, especially the Tremere. As Crickhollow, our shady and menacing Nosferatu has said, I have "a pathetic need to protect and be protected." Perhaps he should have termed it "a pathetic need to love and be loved."<br />
<br />
At the same time I am also pre-disposed to seek pleasure and I will take it as I can, either through blood if I trust someone enough or through sex if I do not.<br />
<br />
Perhaps I am this way because I am Toreador, perhaps I am Toreador because I am this way. Perhaps my emotions and my clan are not connected. You asked me about the Toreador and love. This was my testimony.<br />
<br />
<br />
:Truly literature for the ages. However, you may want to sign your post with links to at least four different user pages or the {{WIKILAW}} will come get you. --Laughing Man 22:03, 18 April 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
:: What Urbandead Wiki Poster Laughing Man posted is true. I myself fought the {{WIKILAW}}, and the {{WIKILAW}} won!--{{User:DerpDerp/Sig}} 02:24, 19 April 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
:::I rate it a D minus. As a doctor of {{WIKILAW}} I have more important things to do than point out what went wrong, so just pretend it's all awful. {{User:Nubis/sig}} 20:27, 20 April 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
::::While the original text is a timeless work of art, I'm going to have to change my evaluation for getting Vampire mixed up with UD. And knowing fuckall how vampires in oWoD work and switching them with gay sparkle vampires from elsewhere that middle aged women might actually read doesn't help. A bit :goonsay: to be sure, but I feel the new stuff just detracts from the majestic message of the original print. Also, {{WIKILAW}} --Laughing Man 15:02, 21 April 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
:::::I don't think that's canon, I have to check. --[[User:Deadone|Deadone]] 22:03, 26 April 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
==Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011==<br />
{{Activelist!}}<br />
Hi there, if you can list the specific suburbs in which your group is active that would be very helpful. Thanks!--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 13:41, 23 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Pretty much Peddlesden Village, Chudleyton, Dunell Hills, West Becktown, Owsleybank and Molebank. You can tell by all the DHPD chumps we leave rotting in the streets, typically after their latest attempt to "reclaim" Dunell Hills from our tenacious and permanent grasp. Also if this wiki has any semblance of truthfulness to it, you won't put Dunell Hills down as a suburb that the DHPD is active in - because they're not. They come in for five minutes, repair a building or two, and then we kill them all and they run off to try again a week or two later. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 23:21, 1 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you for your reply. I've updated your status in Dunell Hills as confirmed. Of the suburbs that you mentioned, you were only listed on the wiki under Dunell Hills. If you want to add yourself to the suburb group listings for the other suburbs feel free to do so. The job we are doing is to confirm which groups are still active and remove the ones that aren't. So we aren't currently adding listings ourselves, but as I mentioned you are perfectly within your rights to do so yourself.<br />
::As far as the listing for DHPD, they have been confirmed for Dunell Hills for reasons which I will explain. They way we seek confirmation is to contact any groups that are listed in a suburb (just as I've done with you), and take them on their word that they are active if they respond within the given time-frame. While this method may not result in complete truthfulness, it is the least controversial method that can be applied within a reasonable measure of manpower and impartiality.<br><br />
::In theory we could garner more accurate data by creating accounts in all the suburbs in question and then monitoring the suburbs for a month or so to see if the groups are truly active, however this would be extremely time-consuming. Rather than get into disputes over who is active where, we've decided to just stick with this method for now, at least until something better can be devised. I hope you find my explanation to be adequate, and thank you again for your response.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 18:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Oh if it's just the ''trust system'' then we are active in every suburb in the city, why not. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 10:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::And thus fiction became fact... ----[[User:Krastavac|Krastavac]] 09:59, 12 May 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
==what is this shit==<br />
can we just replace the page with a giant get out frog plz - - [[User:Rotting TRex|Rotting TRex]]<br />
:second {{User:Nubis/sig}} 00:09, 24 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::nm that's much better - - [[User:Rotting TRex|Rotting TRex]]<br />
:::New page is awesome, but feels a little empty. And hey, I wonder what that date's for --[[Image:LaughingSig.gif|link=User:Laughing Man]] 16:25, 30 April 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Holy Zombie Jesus, who left that date up there? --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 04:49, 9 May 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
== Eh? ==<br />
<br />
What are they saying? It's the end of the world, the dead are walking the earth, apocalypse, etc. So what else is new?--{{User:Rachel_Akebre/signature}} 09:43, 9 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:The sky is falling! {{ohmy}} <small>—The preceding [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Revenant|Revenant]] ([[User talk:Revenant|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Revenant|contribs]]) 11:32, 9 May 2011 (BST).</small><br />
<br />
== The End result ==<br />
<br />
The Dead are annihilating the city. What does everyone think <br />
the end result will be? Not having survivors to kill will be <br />
boring. Do you think Kevin will rebalance the game as a <br />
result of this? -[[User:Li2|Li2]] 19:59, 13 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:Assuming it doesn't stall out I foresee Kevan either resetting it all( basically a brand new city) or just having about 50% of every standing zed revived under the premise of "Military actions." Now it'd be interesting to have every non-rotter zombie revived and watch that play out..{{User:Mazu/sig}} 21:37, 13 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::Or he could set it so finding syringes in ruined NT buildings skyrocket. Oh look, he has! Also, fuck. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 22:18, 13 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Its true. Even in ruined NTs, search rates are through the roof. Same for FAKs. Stats page is also being updated every few hours instead of once a day. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>23:44, 13 May 2011 (UTC)</sub><br />
::::Stats Are Updated On The Hour Every Hour And Have Been For A Long Time. You Would Have Noticed This If You Didn't Have Your Head Up Your Ass All The Time. <3--[[User:MeatPuppet|MeatPuppet]] [[User:MeatPuppet|MeatPuppet]]<br />
:::::Ah, I thought I had read that it was once a day somewhere. Honestly have never paid much attention to the timestamp. So do ya'll think Kevan implemented higher search rates or was it always built in for times when so much of the city was in ruin? People have suspected for a while that burb ruin states affected search rates. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>01:50, 14 May 2011 (UTC)</sub><br />
::::::It's probably affected by the ratio if you ask me. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 02:48, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::I believe syringe rates have been based on the Survivor:Zombie rate for quite a while. Though I can't remember how I first heard about it, I believe we had it happen in reverse when survivor numbers were through the roof. It would be a very simple and clever way to maintain the game balance without constant manual tweaking, as the supply of syringes is basically determines whether survivors can hold a suburb.--{{User:The General/sig}} 09:21, 14 May 2011 (BST) <br />
:::::::If it were based on ratio it would have kicked in a few days ago when we got it down to 15/85. This seems to have happened within the last 24 hours. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 14:31, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::It works that way for several days now. 404 and others have reported so days ago about searching ruined NTs and hospitals. --<small>Oh, and vote on [[UDWiki:Projects/Very_Funny...or_Not|Project Funny]], by the way.</small> --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 14:51, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Huh. Spending my time as the Dead and a non-reviver Globetrotter made syringe hunting pretty low priority for me so I probably just didn't notice. I wonder if it was ever changed from the last March. Back then we got survivors down to 31% before the fix was in, and this time it's down to 14% so if it is ratio based it makes sense you can almost stumble over them without searching. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 14:59, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
People with Aspergers Have A Tendency To Over-Capitalize Shit. [[User: Dirk Pecs|Dirk Pecs]] 14 May 2011 00:18 BST<br />
:QED. :Golfclap:--[[User:MeatPuppet|MeatPuppet]] 00:27, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::The Dead 1.0 noticed the same thing - as the ratio of living to dead survivors fell, search success rates rose. I'm curious as to what happens when the ratio goes the other way, though... --[[User:Cman yall|Cman yall]] 08:25, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::I'm pretty sure that it does work the other way.--{{User:The General/sig}} 09:31, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::It probably does, but we will very probably never see it. When someone doesn't want to stay alive, brain rot/window-diving/standing out in the open take quick and easy care of it, so something like 80+% survivors is extremely unlikely given the rock bottom of dedicated pro-zombie players. --<small>Oh, and vote on [[UDWiki:Projects/Very_Funny...or_Not|Project Funny]], by the way.</small> --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 11:27, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::It came close to that a few of years ago.--{{User:The General/sig}} 14:22, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
{{cquote||Yes, this is just a simple built-in balancing mechanic, triggered by the overall state of the game - at the other end of the scale, search rates drop when survivors greatly outnumber the undead. If you want a thematic reason for it, the pickings are richer for an individual survivor when there are fewer of them around to do the looting, and when the suburbs are getting too comfortably repopulated by the living, it's harder for them to find something that's been overlooked by everyone else.|[[Kevan]], via email}}<br />
{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 16:19, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:Basically, less survivors = higher search rates = actually affects game. More survivors = lower search rates = doesn't affect much. Once everything is lit and barricaded and the zombie population is stupidly low what's the point in having to search for anything? --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 16:29, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::It kinda does affect the game, though not as much. Just to illustrate: It currently costs me +-12AP to revive one survivor with the near-certainty of finding a syringe. When Survivors:Zombies are near 50:50, it costs me +-32AP per revive. That's a significant difference and it means survivors will stay dead longer and killing emptying a NT full of survivors will have much more impact.--{{User:The General/sig}} 16:49, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Uhm General, that hasn't been correct since 2006. The average search rate in times of 70:30 survivors doesn't even get below about 12.5%. It's ''always'' more efficient to search than to manufacture and it's almost always less than 16 AP from search to revive. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 19:51, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::The way the RNG works means that it's perfectly possible to search 30 times in a row and find nothing, so I used the worse-case numbers of the amount of AP used for each. Another factor is: The status of a suburb as heavily ruined is actually sort-of helpful to survivor mobility because it provides zombie-maintained entry points; in prosperous times you could easily spend 5AP just finding an entry point. However, if you consider the guesstimated search rates then 25AP would probably have been and more realistic number from search-to-revive..--{{User:The General/sig}} 23:52, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::[[Search_odds#NecroTech_Building|Well]], that's still actually pretty high. Especially since those numbers are from before the variable building search rates update that makes ruins search rates much better. [[Search_Odds/Necrotech_Building_Data#Data_Table_.28Post_27_Feb_2010.29|What little]] more current data we have shows the rates to be roughly double that. The average find in 25 AP for syringes in the last 5 years actually ends up being about 4. [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_4#We_Need_Updates.21|Here's]] a useful discussion that has more detail on reasonable revive rates. [[User:Grim_s/Rants/Revival_Imbalance|Here's]] another one where Grim_s discusses the issue. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:15, 15 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::"The way the RNG works" - didn't bother reading past this. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 17:15, 21 May 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
== Christmas Tree ==<br />
<br />
For all the havoc you all are causing there is still one Christmas tree out and about, tis insulting. I demand you destroy it!{{User:Mazu/sig}} 03:50, 18 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:Also, tell us where in Malton it was...--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 07:08, 20 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::Was nothin its still there mocking them. For all your animated GIFs survivor numbers are up 7%. The game isn't going to ruin itself, get it together goons! --[[User:Zaruthustra|Zaruthustra]]<sup>Still a Mod in His Mind</sup> 12:17, 20 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::If you look more closely, I believe you'll find that survivor ''percentage'' is up because zombie ''numbers'' are going ''down''. What would be your guess as to the cause of this, hmm? {{wink}} {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 04:37, 21 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::: yeah, im sure [[Unlimited_zerg_works|this]] has nothing to do with it, either. - Serious Post. {{User:DeRathi/Sig}} 04:48, 21 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::: "Average" players of UD, such as myself, who for a time were assisting in what we perceived as the total destruction of Malton, in an effort to "end" the game, have since figured out that such goal is nigh impossible (by design). See the above syringe finding issue for an example of why. Basically, the game can't "end", and thus many like myself have gone back to playing it "normally". In my case, I'm once again alive, fixing my suburb, and reviving the dead. I have spoken with other long time (3+ year) UD players and they see it the same way.-[[User:Fallout11|Fallout11]] 15:09, 21 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::On the other hand, some people (such as myself) saw the end of the game coming and did the complete opposite. I even dropped my pker out of the current Red Rum activities in order to help revive people.--{{User:The General/sig}} 15:50, 21 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::Pssh play dual natured and be a real zombie for a time ;){{User:Mazu/sig}} 19:56, 21 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::I actually have a dedicated rotter who's currently shambling around and finding the lack of brains (literal and metaphorical) rather disturbing :P.--{{User:The General/sig}} 20:08, 21 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::You '''''what'''''? Seriously, have you seen the ammo search rates? Today I went from 8 shells over 9 shotguns to '''14 fully loaded shotguns!!!!!''' (And had to drop some empties, too!) Fuck repairing, the game's a PKer's paradise right now! {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 22:18, 21 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::It would be if it wasn't for the fact that I can't actually survive the night most of the time (Got killed in a dark, EHB building having been offline for ~6 hours) and 2) because the game's less fun when the prey comes only in pre-hunted form.--{{User:The General/sig}} 23:18, 21 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::Hence why your better off to not repair the building. If you repair then you've just drawn both zombies and PKers to your location. It's a wonder you survived 6 hours...{{User:Mazu/sig}} 02:49, 22 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::You need to log on to the forums again. I have a Plan. {{cool}} {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:34, 22 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::Ive been checking up on it but you haven't posted any updates on it :({{User:Mazu/sig}} 03:49, 22 May 2011 (BST)<br />
Heh, now there are ''two'' Christmas trees.--{{User:Mallrat/sig}} 04:04, 22 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:Did some quick math, when you add the revivifying bodies+standing survivors then divide that number by the total of level one survivors you get about 62.35% of the survivor population is basically useless.. {{User:Mazu/sig}} 02:36, 23 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::Zergs are never useless! --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 04:03, 23 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Repair some arbitrary building and have a 2500 person meat shield FTW?{{User:Mazu/sig}} 04:06, 23 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::It's the fucking first [[Monroeville]] quarantine all over again… {{nono}} {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 04:36, 23 May 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
==Zerging Evidence Goes Here==<br />
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Y'all love harping on about how we're zerging so here's your chance folks! Post your "solid evidence" that we're a bunch of cheating, zerging, baby raping scumbags right here! --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Sykic]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 11:29, 26 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:[http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=3940.msg42658;topicseen#msg42658 You are too easy] - [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.msg56272#msg56272 but I have to say that at least you are _quick_ at purging zargarbargarz] (N.B. for mongtards: No, they are not. As long as they are on their side and bolstering their stats page entry, they don't seem to mind zergers at all.) --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 16:19, 26 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::While your efforts to link a page from 2 years ago covered in 404s and another from 7 months ago is appreciated I must express my opposition to your use of harmful language such as mongtard, being offensive to those who are disabled and also mongolian.--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 16:40, 26 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::Sweet fuck could you at least try to keep it in this fucking year? You know, in the timeframe when the current horde has been active? Clearly it can't be that fucking hard since everyone and their mother apparently has massive amounts of evidence they apparently don't want to actually fucking reveal. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 22:33, 26 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::If it's evidence of zerging that's required, then [http://iamscott.net/1306437718986.html evidence of zerging is what I shall provide]. Probably not the evidence that you wanted to come to light, though, you misogynistic little shit. Let me fucking tell you, buddy, that if you have got issues with how I conduct myself on this wiki, then you can fucking air them out here in the open. Not by sneaking up on me and capping me in my sleep. What's your fucking problem with my behaviour? Do I not conform to your lofty standards of being a docile and subservient toy? Maybe I should put on a skimpy maid outfit? Or do you just like those on girls when you're pretending to be one? Fuck you, buddy. I hope a dog eats your testicles. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 01:07, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::But wait, ''there's more''! [http://iamscott.net/1306446675843.html Click now and receive 100% extra zerging '''''absolutely free!'''''] AP problems? Can't get a revive? Lack of ammo? Not anymore with Spiderzed's patented formula, made from a secret blend of twelve types of bullshit! Our operators are standing by 24/7 to take your call and call you a faggot. Supplies are limited, don't delay, call today! --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Sykic]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 01:27, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Oh, I - uh... *puts gift-wrapped maid costume in a nearby trash bin and walks off into the night* -- [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Amazing Amazing] <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD - FML = HR]])</small> 01:31, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::[http://images.google.com/images?q=spider-man+no+more "I shall be Maid-Man... no more!"] --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 04:05, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::'Nuff said, true believers. -- [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Amazing Amazing] <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD - FML = HR]])</small> 04:26, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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Funny how Angelina managed to PK Katthew in Starlingtown [http://udwitness.oddnetwork.org/private/2011/05/udw-20110527-001634-7e99f775c481bfa24f56ffd7e4527905-Angelina_Argonez.html while she is less than 24 hours later on the opposite side of Malton]. That's a trip of 90-100AP. Additionally, I can easily find several trusted members of the metagame who have seen her over there and can confirm that she has been in the far west for days. But since you have such a great reputation of fighting zerging, having convictions and never ever tolerating cheats in your ranks, I'm sure that you have a logical explanation for that, Katthew. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 06:25, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:It's what I thought. As for my allegations above, here's a few dumbwits Kemps fished for me from the RG a bit ago (thanks man): [http://iamscott.net/1306291634410.html] [http://iamscott.net/1306278786340.html] [http://iamscott.net/1305716860677.html]. I'll add a couple of my own: [http://iamscott.net/1305917518233.html] [http://iamscott.net/130522625884.html].<br />
:If you look closely at the "you were killed by so and so" line, you'll notice there's always a full stop after that text, before the timestamp. The game always does it that way: You were killed by Sally A Summers'''.''' ''(sometime ago)''<br />
:Compare with these: [http://iamscott.net/1306437718986.html] [http://iamscott.net/1306446675843.html].<br />
:Accidentally removing that full stop there is what I called a mistake by whoever edited the UD page in a Javascript debugger, removing whatever was there and adding Angelina's name, before submitting it to dumbwit.<br />
:I would expect an explanation from Katthew and Sykic now. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 06:54, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::Wow, so, you rag on a missing full stop - which happens to be the result of the script that Sykic and I both use, as it happens - but the moment Spiderzed posts a blank page with "I AM TOTALLY IN GRIGG HEIGHTS" on it, you cannot wait to instantly start slobbering all over him. His "evidence" is ridiculous, and you're only putting your faith in it because you're a suck-up who wants to cover up his cheating. Nice, real nice. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 07:11, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::There is no need for aggression. I already explained you why I'm more inclined to believe Spiderzed than you - I can't help this, trust takes a long time to build and, while your friends have known you for a long time, I don't have that benefit. Still, I'm trying my best to be objective. I'm sorry, but I'm well used to consider an out-of-AP screenie good enough - the RG does it, and sometimes it's the best you can get. I guess if it doesn't show signs of manipulation, which it doesn't, I don't have a reason to doubt it.<br />
:::But I actually would like to know more now, just so I'm sure I'm not sucking up to anyone. You think I could have a look at that script of Sykic's and yours? Off the top of my head I'm not quite sure how that dot would get removed, but I'm fairly good at understanding software. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 08:02, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Speaking of fucked up iWitnesses and page editing/scripts, isn't Spiderzed the guy that tired to prove SaulKD was zerging at the Library at 16-13.6 and the Factory at 24-24? (hint: it's a road)--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 15:59, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Right clicking a name allows us to perform a check to see where that character was last seen, if at all. The problem arises when you try to right click a name in the "You were killed by" line. Doing a last seen search on a name in that line will cause the plugin to return a search for "Name." rather than the actual name. You figure it out. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Sykic]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 17:40, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::I see. But then, wouldn't you do this installing a click handler (or mousedown or mouseup, rather) on the ''a'' element? Then ''element.textContent'' would give you the correct name always, regardless of it being followed by a full stop. And what could be the point of modifying the page?..<br />
:::::But in any case, cheers Sykic, it does sound unusual without seeing the code but it is plausible enough an explanation. I apologise and withdraw any implication my questioning this could have raised. I think this should be brought to the ZL's attention, it being your word against Spiderzed's, I would rather see the end of this and find out what exactly happened here. If you need a third party technical opinion at Resenz, I'd be glad to help. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 20:14, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Oh, how awfully ''convenient'' that you have "evidence" that at least ''one'' of your stupid little characters is a million miles away from your crime! Even if that "evidence" is nothing more than a blank screen with a the name of a suburb hastily scrawled on it. Oh, and even it's posted on a system owned and operated by a member of the DHPD to boot. I'm sure there wasn't even a hint of a conflict of interest there, oh my, no. Let's not even mention that your greatest defender so far has been Kempy, who not only shares your disgusting hatred of women, but also has been known to [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.60 zerg like a motherfucker himself]. Meanwhile, you've been silent for a suspiciously long time before suddenly turning up with some hastily-assembled proof. Now, I may be naturally suspicious, especially of power-tripping douchebags who invest too much in their pathetic wiki affairs, but this all adds up to a lot of highly suspect "coincidences". Your "trusted members of the metagame" are probably going to be a bunch of snivelling, sycophantic suck-ups with an axe to grind and just as many creepy issues as you, you wretched little man. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 07:11, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::''"Let's not even mention that your greatest defender so far has been Kempy, who not only shares your disgusting hatred of women, but also has been known to [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=12.60 zerg like a motherfucker himself]."'' Harsh. Especially considering you even gave the green light to my own [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:The_Dead_2.0#Ladies_and_Gentlemen_.28but_mostly_the_gentlemen.29.2C_it.27s_the_Kempy_Is_A_Bigoted_Piece_of_Trash_Show_-_starring_Kempy.21 show]. It's no wonder your ratings are slipping with shoddy management like this. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 07:23, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::The whole point of your sad little circus is so you stay there and don't interfere when the grown-ups are talking, little boy. Run on back, now. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 08:28, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Well, that sure told me. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 16:08, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::Excuse that I didn't watch the wiki for some hours - as hard as it obviously is to grasp for you, there are people who have a life. As for the validity for my screenie, feel free to put up your evidence on the Zerg Liste. I'll gladly defend my reputation as an upstanding player in front of a neutral party (which, as you might know, includes your fellow goon Revenant). --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 11:56, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::I suppose you were too busy zerging our guys and making a terrible fake screenshot showing you weren't. Another fine example of a sysop. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 18:27, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::I'm back from my week-end trip, and a sad panda. Nearly 48 hours, and still no one has submitted that rock-solid evidence to the ZL in order to bust me. Looks like I will get away with zerg-rushing Kate time and time again. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 15:34, 29 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::Kate had apparently time to write some more fanfic, so I'm really starting to wonder now. Will that proof ever see a broader audience? --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 14:50, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::You could always go report it yourself if it's that important to you, no-one's stopping you. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Sykic]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 15:06, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::''Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although he leaped with all his strength. As he went away, the fox remarked, 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.' People who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain would do well to apply this story to themselves.'' --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 15:43, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::Here's a tip: No one cares about your little list. If you want internet justice in the highest court of the land (undisputbly the Zerg Liste) go do it yourself and stop wasting my time. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 15:45, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Oh, if that isn't SprCobra who was formerly with ACC. I see how bringing up the topic of the Zerg Liste would offend you. How's SaulKD doing? --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 15:54, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::::How petty. Trying to dogde the issue? He's still hanging around 16-13.6 as far as I know. As much as the ACC ''loves'' me, I wasn't actually on their side during that fiasco. Regardless, this doesn't change the fact that no one cares about your little list and on no one cares about this tripe. If you want internet justice in the highest court of the land (undisputbly the Zerg Liste) go do it yourself and stop wasting my time. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 16:15, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::RAGE RAEG RAG I SO DON'T CARE WAHWAHWAH!!!!!!111111oneeleven<br>Weren't you goons the ones who were supposed to be the ones to make others cry? Maybe ACC was the better fitting company for you. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 16:22, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::Waiting for that report.--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 16:27, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::Who the fuck is Kate? --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 17:33, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::A foxy lady. Sadly doesn't like grapes, or I'd totally do her. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 17:46, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::The section for pathetic fatbeards making sexist comments is down there, pal. Just follow the sound of every decent human being on the planet mocking your inability to grasp the concept of equality, you can't miss it. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 18:20, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::On an unrelated note, did you ever notice that there is only one letter difference between "grasps" and "grapes"? I still have hope that you will acquire the taste eventually. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 18:51, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I fucking hope to Hell you're not hitting on me. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 18:54, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::I'd never do that against your consent. We zerg hunters are chivalrous gentlemen. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 18:56, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::As in the modern interpretation of Chivarly? That women are delicate little flowers that need protected by big strong gentlemanly knights?--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 19:13, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Ladies and Gentlemen (but mostly the gentlemen), it's the Kempy Is A Bigoted Piece of Trash Show - starring Kempy! ==<br />
<br />
::::...this '''can't''' be right. For a start, SZ isn't that fucking crass in his kills, and doesn't talk like some potty mouthed fucking hooligan like... well, like wot I'm doing right now. No, I'm not convinced this is legit. Smells like bollocks to me, and I should know, I've smelled eno... NVM. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 02:17, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::Sooner or later everyone forms an opinion about someone. Yes, even someone like me. It's shocking, I know. In the case of Spiderzed, it's turned out to be a negative opinion. Now, I've seen enough wiki assholes and forum scum go completely apeshit over li'l old me in my time playing this game, and there's nothing special about him. Maybe he wasn't as outrageous as the guy back in '06 who declared I should be raped in real life to teach me some humility (yes this actually happened), but he's still showing his true colours here. Any guy with that many porn starlet alt accounts has some disturbed views when it comes to my gender. So maybe the next set of bollocks you smell can be his (after a dog eats them). --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 02:25, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::Put it back under the counter doll, I ain't buying it. Somethings afoot here. AFOOT, I say, and I'm getting the Scooby Gang in to deal with this. Ah'll be back! [[Image:Rough.gif]] {{User:Kempy/sig}} 02:36, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::"Doll"? Oh, I see. How positively adorable. {{rolleyes}} --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 02:38, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::Ain't I just? Bet that swept you right off your feet that did. [[Image:Biggrin.gif]] {{User:Kempy/sig}} 02:40, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Please, don't mind me. Just keep on diggin'. I'm sure you'll get out eventually. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 02:41, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Reminds me of my ex that does. Was like throwing a sausage up a close. You're not her, are you? {{User:Kempy/sig}} 02:50, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::Do you have any more comments on how my vagina must be loose from fucking so many men like the stupid little ditzy slut I so obviously am (being female and all)? I mean, gosh, I know I'm just a ''female'' (and therefore don't have the mental capacity that you testosterone-laden studmuffins do) but jeepers maybe you'd like to make an analogy that my pussy is, quote-unquote, "a goddamn clown car" and finish off with a firm slap to my behind so I know it's time to get back into the kitchen and make you a sandwich? Just a thought. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 03:01, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::Get your fucking screenshots out, there. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 03:10, 27 May 2011 (BST) <br />
::::::::::::Settle petal, you'll break a nail. What's with all the mad agro? You're doing the feminine vote no favours with this little hissy fit. And to think, we even let you lot burn your bras. What a waste of matches that was. [[Image:Finethen.gif]] {{User:Kempy/sig}} 03:09, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::that never actually happened hth.--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 03:14, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::Like a lot of things, this poxy stitch up for one, but hey, we're all role playing here eh? Go with the flow, smile a bit. You might feel happy in your heart for it. [[Image:Biggrin.gif]] {{User:Kempy/sig}} 03:24, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::Sexism is hilarious.--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 02:44, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Yah. Especially when the boobs fall out. [[Image:Biggrin.gif]] {{User:Kempy/sig}} 02:50, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::: This is a post I can get behind. "Get behind", get it? I'm insinuating that I like having sex with women who are in a submissive posture. Ironic sexism is ''awesome!'' [[Image:Biggrin.gif]] <span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Bender Bending Rodriguez]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 03:35, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::Unless they charge extra m8. Then it's not so much. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 04:06, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::Kinda funny how the only person to spring to Spiderzed's defence so far is a guy whose first instinct has been to call me a stupid whore. Wait, no, not "funny" - what's the word I'm thinking of? Pathetic, probably. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 03:11, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::I so never did. What a lie. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself young lady. Shocked I am. Utter, shocked. Hmph. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 03:20, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::You folks from something Awful are rather touchy. Everyone needs a chill pill.{{User:Mazu/sig}} 03:22, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::He's not affiliated with us in any way. I don't think even GBS would take him. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 03:24, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::Fair enough, I retract my statement that you sprung to Spiderzed's defence. Which means that the allegations of zerging are now completely unchallenged, even by Spiderzed himself. An admission of guilt? Most likely. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 03:24, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::Not at all, m'am. Actually, I don't buy it either. Never mind the speech being so uncharacteristic - the notion of Spiderzed stooping so low as to do this goes against a long-lasting impression of rectitude and honesty he's formed in my eyes, over the months I've witnessed him go about his business in-game, and here and elsewhere. But even if he would resort to zerging... being stupid enough to do it like this? Now ''that'' would shock me utterly.<br />
::::::Oh and I'm fairly confident these screenshots have been doctored, and I can show it - whoever did it made a mistake. I'm not in a rush, though; I'll wait for Spiderzed. He probably will have a thing or two to say about it. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 04:29, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::They're not screenshots. Try selecting some of the text. Also, no offence to your stellar relationship with a man with fucked up issues regarding women (which is apparently the fucking norm around here, go figure), but I'm pretty sure that he is ''easily'' that stupid, if not moreso. I have seen people come and go in this game, for all the years I've been around, and this isn't "stooping" at all. You think people don't get angry? Angry enough to break the rules? Oh, whoops, I forgot! Silly me! He's not a goon and therefore he is above suspicion in every way. FALSE ALARM, FELLAS, LOOKS LIKE WE CAN IGNORE THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE HE'S NOT A GOON!!!<br />
:::::::I put up with shit like this way back in the post-DARIS days, and let me tell you - there's nothing about this scenario which surprises me in any way. It's happened before, and it'll happen again. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 04:39, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::I don't doubt you've had it rough. I'm sorry, for what it's worth. I've had bad experiences in the past - perhaps it's the norm for women in online games to be harassed... and what a depressing thought that is. But well, nowhere as bad as you've had, of that I'm certain.<br />
::::::::Oh I'm well aware these aren't screenshots - I should have said "screen captures" or just "dumbwits" - my bad. One of these days I'll actually make my own capture service, if only because iwit, udwit and dumbwit just can't seem to handle Unicode properly.<br />
::::::::I don't harbour anger for goons, or any strong feelings for that matter. I'm aware that me stating the captures seem doctored is in fact an accusation of fabricating evidence, with the hardly veiled implication that you did it to incriminate Spiderzed. I haste to add I can't be sure how it happened, only that both captures above show evidence of tampering. Confronted with the choice of accepting Spiderzed did what he's being accused of, against what my own feelings tell me, or to believe he's being set up, I tend to favour the latter, viscerally like. I only hope you can understand my position. I'm not trying to vilify you, but speaking up for a person who's earned my trust.<br />
::::::::I will reserve any opinion until Spiderzed speaks for himself. Perhaps he did actually lose his mind for a bit and resorted to this, in a fit of rage or something... in which case I would quickly take back any implication, apologise, and deal with my own cognitive dissonance on my own time. But let's just wait. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 05:39, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for shitting up this section with your sexism, Kempy. Real appreciated. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Sykic]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 03:42, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[[File:FoleyThumbsUp.gif]] You're welcome. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 03:54, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::Stop. Just stop. You are the worst kind of guy, Kempy. Stop replying to everything 'cause you want to be a Cool Guy.--[[User:Deadman Walken|Deadman Walken]] 04:02, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::OK. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 04:07, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::I quite like the guy, actually :) --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 04:29, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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::[[File:Busted.jpg]] {{User:Kempy/sig}} 07:03, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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It's a sad state of affairs when Goons aren't the most misogynistic group in a video game. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Colbear]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 06:40, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Seriously, what in the blue fuck is going on here? I seriously hope this kempy guy is trolling, otherwise i'm going to have to revise my estimates on how low into the realm of blatant misogynistic, ignorant, pseudo-macho bullshit someone can sink. Congratulations, i am actually genuinely surprised at how pathetic someone can be on the internet. - Serious Post. {{User:DeRathi/Sig}} 07:31, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::Edit - I may be some "stupid cheating goon troll" to some of you, and i do say a lot of things, but at least i dont sink as low as to try and submit women to humiliating bullshit just to attempt to justify my own e-cred (or anything else for that matter). What the fuck is wrong with you. - Serious Post. {{User:DeRathi/Sig}} 07:37, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::And I agree with Mazu some posts above - you're being rather touchy. I mean, should I take offence at the blasphemous templates in your page, DeRathi? Or at Mendoza using a BIG GAPING VAGINA as an insult, or at that bit about about rape in ShaqFu's, or at this very page and so many goons' belonging to [[:Category:Hitler family]]? (which I personally could find way more offensive than any sexism, despite being a woman myself)<br />
:::Perhaps I should. Only ''I know it isn't fucking serious'', you guys are not a bunch of misogynistic racist pricks, just as Kempy isn't either. Chill, ffs. You of all people ought to know a troll when you see one. --{{User:Hashk/sig}} 09:39, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::1) This isnt about you. Stop pretending otherwise. 2) Last i checked, i'm none of those other people you listed, and thus your statements have no bearing on neither my, nor anyone else that has expressed disgust at Kempy's actions, statements. 3) That doesnt change the fact that MANY others have expressed MUCH disdain over the years solely for what goons have said and done on the various forums, wiki and in game without so much as an eyelid batted from us, but if we so much as point out that one of your precious little circlejerk members is guilty of not only actively being an ignorant prick, but also being unrepentant and disrespectful about it when asked to knock it the fuck off, HOLY SHIT EVIL GOONS. No, i think you should squarely shut the fuck up and get out, personally, because again this is not about you.. no matter how much your e-boyfriend up there has beaten you into being his toadying white knite yes-woman. It doesnt matter what YOU think. Kempy is as the evidence above shows, fully aware of what he is doing, there is no question about that.<br />
::::Trying to dismiss his actions as some kind of glancing 'haha its just a joke guys, relax' bullshit is what is the most reprehensible about this. Perhaps if he had been man enough to go "you know what? i was a bit out of line, sorry Katthew" and left it at that, there would be no problem. But no, he had to keep going like the retarded chucklefuck that he is, and dig himself deeper into his pit of disrespectful nonsense. Somewhere along the way it became quite alright to dump shit on goons. Fine, we can deal with that because ultimately we dont give a shit what you dumbfucks think. That doesnt mean we dont have individual respect for people who work their asses off to do what not even all of you idiots combined could achieve if you were paid to do it. You want to support your e-boyfriend into being some e-tough blustery buffoon, then thats your perogative.. just dont be surprised when we snap back at you and call you out on your bullshit (and lets be honest, you have to go PRETTY GODDAMN FAR for us to call you out on it). I dont imagine for a second you or anyone else would actually read this, so heres a quick TL;DR for you: Shut up and go away. Thanks ever so much. - Serious Post. {{User:DeRathi/Sig}} 10:23, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::Oh, are we still doing this? Okies: <br />
:::::'''01)''' I don't see where Soph once pretended, or alluded to the fact that any this was about her. Rather, she asked a reasonably vadid question regarding the comparison of my (ahem) offensive remarks and that of the tirade of bollocks which has came from many of your cohorts in the month or two you've been spouting your gibberish on this wiki. <br />
:::::'''02)''' I don't even know ''who'' you are, tbh. You all look the same to me, with your little Rainbow Brite sigs, and carbon copy hymnsheet of insults. Uh-oh, does that add racism to my list of disgusting traits? Something I'll have to deal with, I guess.<br />
:::::'''03)''' You lost me a bit on this one. lemme see if I got this, correct me if I'm wrong, k? By your own admission, the goons have said and done things on various forums, wikis and games, which have caused disdain. Yet, you're all so thick skinned and proper hard, you've never felt the need to retaliate untill now? One little line of comedy sexism, and BANG! Goons be outraged? That's just mint then. <br />
:::::...seriously, whut? What's with all this bollocks? I thought you lot were supposed to be this tough internet steamroller of epic win, yet, here you are, all whining with your panties up in a bunch at the slightest comment, which btw, was no more offensive than any the tired old routine you've been preaching yourselves through this entire campaign of dickery. You talk of white knights and e-tough bluster, all the while doing exactly the same yourself, rushing to the aid of poor, sorry little Kat in your masses with the regulation insult list and flashy sigs. When your ganglike intimidation tactics fail to work, and people don't back down with their tail between their legs, you lose the plot completely and show yourself up for who you truly are. Let's back up for a second, and take a look at what all this was originally about, eh? You posted screenshots apparently showing a trusted, and valued member of the community to be zerging. Yet, when said screenies were proven to be doctored, and you got called out on this, you turn it all around and attempt to play the victims. It'd be laughable, if it wasn't so predictable.<br />
:::::TL;DR for you. Get over yourselves. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 16:06, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::In case you haven't noticed, Katthew can take care of herself just fucking fine and this is really about how much of a sexist, cowardly piece of shit ''you'' are. Oh but no, we couldn't possibly have any issue with your dipshittery, it must be internet white knighting! News flash: it doesn't matter who you're talking to, you're still a singularly reprehensible member of this little confederacy of dunces. But hey, keep trying to play it off as some silly little joke that got blown out of proportion, and not the insight into a sad little man's misogynistic ego that it actually is. Roll wit dem punches, oh brilliant puppetmaster! <span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Bender Bending Rodriguez]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 01:20, 28 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::1) Then you're either blind, or stupid. Or possibly you just dont understand whats going on around you, which is likely.<br />
::::::2) Why do i have to ''be'' anyone in order to call you out on your behaviour? Fact of life for you that the rest of us have had to learn, sunshine: Not everyone agrees with what you say and do, and often some people find it disgusting. Speaking of which,<br />
::::::3)Surely you understand the scope of the issue when goons are calling you out for being a piece of shit. I'm not here to talk about the greater whole of past actions, because you may as well bring into it the history of everyone ever. It was a point of reference for this particular issue. The fact that you cannot see this is a clear indication (well, another one anyway) that you are WAY out of touch with reality, and should probably take a step back and re-evaluate yourself. Perhaps to be less of a squirming bag of dicks. You also clearly do not understand what respect means, and what it means to have respect for somebody, so perhaps im just wasting my time with you. Maybe one day you'll understand. Maybe not. I hope you do, though, because I feel sorry for you if this is how you live. You should have at least realised this is no longer about zerging, but you being a piece of shit to a woman just because you can hide behind the internet. They are seperate issues entirely. Look! They even have seperate headers.<br />
::::::TL;DR You sad, out of touch little man. - Serious Post. {{User:DeRathi/Sig}} 01:33, 28 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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{{quote|DeRathi|...oh brilliant puppetmaster!}}<br />
:::::::You keep on dancing for me, so aye, guess I am. [[Image:Wink.gif]]<br />
{{quote|DeRathi|Fact of life for you that the rest of us have had to learn, sunshine: Not everyone agrees with what you say and do, and often some people find it disgusting.}}<br />
:::::::[[Image:Lol.gif]] Oh the irony.<br />
{{quote|DeRathi|...you are WAY out of touch with reality}}<br />
:::::::This, coming from a fella who's entire vocabulary is aggresive profanity. Brilliant. Newsflash for you, 'sunshine', this character you see me portray here, is very much me, and I cope with reality very well, thank you. I've lived in it long enough. You, on the other hand expose yourself as some wannabe cyber-G, no doubt having been on the receiving end of some proper abuse a while ago in your early online days, got cockier as time went on, untill you actually began to imagine you ''are'' this uber tough, macho man. Online, of course. Offline, this act won't fare you well in reality, and fine you know it. So, you compensate by being more exaggerated with each retort, and play up to your image that's won you crazy props in the SA palace of wisdom. From a role play perspective, you win a balloon. Congrats.<br />
{{quote|DeRathi|You also clearly do not understand what respect means, and what it means to have respect for somebody, so perhaps im just wasting my time with you.}}<br />
:::::::You couldn't be more wrong kiddo. I'm old school when it comes to respect, in that it has to be earned, to be recieved. It's you lot who have came barging on in here with that up your own arse self importance, pissing on any and everyone who dared get in your face, or gasp!... play along with your gusto banter. Keep aiming for that moral highground tho. You'll never reach it of course, but maybe if you continue to fall enough, you'll knock some common sense into yourself. Doubtfull, but we have to remain optimistic, eh?<br />
{{quote|DeRathi|You should have at least realised this is no longer about zerging, but you being a piece of shit to a woman just because you can hide behind the internet. They are seperate issues entirely. Look! They even have seperate headers.}}<br />
:::::::Yup. All about me, with my own header and everything. It's the longest pile of clusterfuck on this entire page. And it's all about me. Not to mention, ''you'' feel the need to keep replying. Tell me then, under your skin much? [[Image:Biggrin.gif]] {{User:Kempy/sig}} 10:46, 28 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::Shit guys, he figured us out! [[image:abloobloobloo.gif]] Golly we're so sorry Mr. Sexist Scumbag, next time we'll just shut up and watch while you shamelessly out yourself as unrepentant human scum. Or not.<br />
::::::::You tried to lord sexist humiliation over someone over this game, a thing on the internet that takes ten minutes at most to play. This is what makes you feel all important and special and better than a bunch of people who don't take a zombie apocalypse sim seriously. Yep, you sure got us good. <span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Bender Bending Rodriguez]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 06:22, 29 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Shut up woman. Gender equality will never be a possibility until you are able to enjoy rape as much as a man can, until then go make a sandwich and stop playing urban dead. [[User:AinSynagoga|At least I am not paying for a forum.]] 14:36, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::What gives you the idea i'm a woman? Why dont you stop pretending you're anything but some insignificant little anonymous pubbie coward that has to hide behind a newly created account. - [[User:DeRathi|Glad you arent paying for a forum]] - Serious Post. {{User:DeRathi/Sig}} 15:01, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::Other than the fact that you try too hard to insult me you suffer from a terminal case of unwarranted self importance, that I can see clearly from miles. I wasn't even talking to you, but hell, you can't just accept the fact the world does not revolve around you, do you? Ask yourself, if YOU are so important why do you have to pay for a forum? Ulillillia could have an account PAID for him on SA forums anytime by other goons themselves, you on the other hand have to pay for it yourself, do you know what does this mean? An autistic manchild afraid of moving water and mirrors is more important than you [[User:AinSynagoga|At least I am not paying for a forum.]] 18:32, 27 May 2011 (BST).<br />
::::::::[[image:abloobloobloo.gif]] --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 21:29, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::::I can and do accept that i am not the most significant thing in the universe, i mean its not like i've been jumping down other peoples throats for being pieces of shit to people who i have admitted are more important than me or anything, but thanks for playing. As far as the whole paying for a forum thing goes, well, i could answer, but we both know you're trolling and its not on topic so i dont need to answer that. - Serious Post. {{User:DeRathi/Sig}} 01:17, 28 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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lol holy fuck kiddo you're exactly the sort of thing that draws goons to this game you know so you can give yourself a pat on the back for providing us the moral high ground to burn Malton to the ground and murder all of its miserable fuckwad inhabitants like yourself--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Oh no!]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 08:12, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:Ta-daaa! Tired old routine, hymnsheets, etc... {{User:Kempy/sig}} 16:06, 27 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:You don't burn anything to the ground actually, you just click on boxes 50 times a day on your god damn browser, please stop roleplaying like the otherkin you are [[User:AinSynagoga|At least I am not paying for a forum.]] 18:41, 27 May 2011 (BST).<br />
::umm you all seem like women to me... fat ones at that. spidey will be back monday [[File:Popcorn.gif]]--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>00:06, 28 May 2011 (bst)</small><br />
:::So that means I have no chance of sticking my revification juices into you? [[User:AinSynagoga|At least I am not paying for a forum.]] 00:33, 28 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Stupidity is rampant between both the goons and especially wiki users here, everyone jumping to support their ''side''. Best option is to just delete this page and start anew.{{User:Mazu/sig}} 02:51, 28 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::Fortunately, nobody cares what you think. Oh wait, you're going to bring out that old chestnut about how because i replied to what you say i somehow care. FUCK! LOGIC! - Serious Post. {{User:DeRathi/Sig}} 06:49, 28 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::Hiya, I am the leader of the survivor group that AinSynagoga is in, and, as your commander, Ain, I order you to ''shut up and get your ass off this page because I will goddamn ban you instantly if you flame these guys anymore''. I apologize for his actions, Dead 2.0 people. We are voting on banning him right now.--[[User:Penguinpyro|Penguinpyro]] 06:56, 28 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Defeatism/Shikata ga nai==<br />
If you're tired of the zombies always winning, constant dying, don't give them the satisfaction of their victory. Don't complain, don't rant, don't accuse them of zerging or other such cheating behavior, instead, give up. Don't get revived, don't stand up, just lay in a pile on the ground, dead. If one side of the game gives up, it'll force something to change. --[[User:WilliamC|WilliamC]] 03:38, 28 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:And don't forget to play some other game similar to UD afterward. I don't know which, but presumably one with very few players to annoy you. -- [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Amazing Amazing] <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD - FML = HR]])</small> 04:27, 28 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:Yes, complain about how you never win when 11 months of 12 the map is almost 50% green ''people sleep in the streets''. Quit when you actually have to compete! That'll show'em. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:30, 28 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:A regular e-Ghandi here, folks. - Serious Post. {{User:DeRathi/Sig}} 06:50, 28 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:I don't know what the fuck you're talking about mister william-san but seriously anime is cartoons--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Oh no!]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]]</span> 03:53, 29 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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==So, what now?==<br />
It's obvious you can't break the game, since Kevan has decided that players should be punished for success. The trolling of the functional retards on the wiki isn't going all that well. Can we expect any more fun or should we put our zombies back in the box until next summer?<br />
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Either way, thanks for creating something interesting for a few weeks. The panic as the zombie ratio kept ticking up was great, although now it's clear that even in the best possible conditions, nothing significant is ever going to happen. The dipshits will have their glorified chat room to themselves when you leave, and I'm sure they're quite happy about it. <br />
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The good news is that the game is dull by design and has been bleeding players for years, so maybe you'll have a greater impact next time. [[User:Goodluck Jonathan|Goodluck Jonathan]] 16:52, 29 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Oh, I wouldn't make any long-term predictions right now, if I were you. Except for that "the game is stagnant and dying and poorly designed" one, that's pretty much spot on the money. But then again, you don't have to be Nostradamus to figure that shit out. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 17:43, 29 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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::But you would agree that it's not worth trying to hold the ground you leave in your wake in the interest of breaking the game? You've given it your best shot and, Harold Camping aside, there's no reason to prepare for an apocalypse.<br />
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::Breaking the game is a noble goal (despite what the ignorant tools who pass for zombie leadership say) and expending energy working towards that goal is time well spent. Dicking around while a bunch of undeserving, smug survivors slowly undo all your good work sickens the soul. [[User:Goodluck Jonathan|Goodluck Jonathan]] 20:35, 29 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Your attempt to understand our strategy is cute. Misguided, and wrong, but cute. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 03:07, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::Of course I'm trying to understand your strategy. The beauty of the Dead was always the "we're going to kill everyone and you can't stop us" motif. Who needs secrecy when you have a killdozer?<br />
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::::Many people share the disdain for UD players (both role-playing fanfic writers and pussy zombie parades) and have long since forsaken the wiki for obvious reasons. Which, frankly, is good news for you, because bitching at some moron for being politically incorrect ruins your mystique.<br />
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::::Let's put it another way...would you like help breaking the game? It's no secret you're not breaking it now, and short of something like moving thousands of characters to the same square, you won't be breaking it any time soon.<br />
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::::Given your reasonable paranoia, maybe it's best just to wait for June 6, then abandon the game again if nothing happens. Wouldn't want to miss the one potential interesting thing to ever happen in UD. [[User:Goodluck Jonathan|Goodluck Jonathan]] 06:16, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::What? --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 05:06, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Are you still trying to break the game? [[User:Goodluck Jonathan|Goodluck Jonathan]] 21:03, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::Already done. Now we're just kicking you around because it's funny. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 22:23, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::What he said. We've broken it, just like last time, and now we're going to destroy it. Kisses! --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 22:39, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::That's all I wanted to know. You didn't break the game, you can't break the game (under current conditions), and you have no plans in the near future to break the game. Show's over.<br />
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::::::::I appreciate and thank you for your good work, and hope next time you drop in, the population will have declined to the point that even with Kevan's bullshit, you'll be able to accomplish your goal to the extent that can actually be done. Maybe Kevan will be persuaded to change the needle thing by then, but he's got advertising to sell, so probably not.<br />
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::::::::Time to stop playing UD until you again return to remind the entire player base that their fate is based solely on whether or not you are currently in the mood to humiliate them. Until then, good sirs and bitches. [[User:Goodluck Jonathan|Goodluck Jonathan]] 22:59, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Let me tell you about this little thing called "commitment".--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:SprCobra]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 23:07, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Bye and thanks for stopping in. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 23:10, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::[[Image:Giveafuckometer.gif]] [[User:BassGuy|'''BassGuy''']] 23:22, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Wow, you're a dumbass. Also pretty fucking rude, too. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 23:54, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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God dayum bitch...<br />
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Let us pray the Pimp's prayer: Lord, please pray for the soul of this bitch and guide my pimp hand and make it strong Lord, so that she might learn a hoe's place. Amen<br />
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Umad?<br />
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:lmao what --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 16:01, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:Was that it? Just one thing then gone? Disappointing. Most of you fucking retards at least post two or three times before running away. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> [[Image:Crywig.gif]] 22:59, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::I'm still kind of amazed that some dude was so offended by the idea that people could get called out for being rampantly misogynistic that he decided to make a special gimmick account just to do so. Especially since, in all likelihood, the guy behind this account is white like the driven snow. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 23:40, 3 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::::People from Something Awful bitching about people being rude to them on the interweb. GG, lrn2. --[[User:Cman yall|Cman yall]] 21:01, 4 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::Fantastic --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> [[Image:Crywig.gif]] 21:21, 4 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::::Woah, that bundle of outdated catchphrases sure showed me! --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif|;x]] [[Image:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 00:53, 5 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::::::you guys sure are something AWFUL!!!! --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Vasari]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 19:51, 5 June 2011 (BST)</div>Vasarihttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Dunell_Hills&diff=1897902Talk:Dunell Hills2011-06-02T12:49:07Z<p>Vasari: /* Removal of DHPD Listing from Active Groups: A Clarification */</p>
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<div>==Moved from A Brief History==<br />
"However, in recent weeks, the DHPD, the Malton Rangers and the Crimson Clan, along with other survivors have pushed into the Hills and restored it to a habitable suburb, bringing it back to orange on the map for the first time in months."<br />
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:I moved this because I feel that something which is only a couple of weeks old isn't really ready to be in this section. The above is cetainly ''News'' -- but not long-standing enough to be anything other than a continuation of ongoing survivor efforts already mentioned in the article... For now, anyway. At the moment, it's an as-it-is-happening kinda thing, not ''history''. Dig? Thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:24, 18 September 2008 (BST) It's also topical, and in 6 months what will "recent weeks" mean? ... No, this belongs in the News, not thw History. If survivors are able to establish a permanent foothold in the burb, THEN that fact becomes history-worthy. But not before. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:26, 18 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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"Since early 2008 all survivors have remained impotent against the zombie horde. Despite their best intentions they have remained unable to retake the suburb. All attempts have been driven back from the suburb. This means that Dunell Hills is well on its' way to being Malton's first true wasteland, despite the constant efforts of the survivor groups in the area." <br />
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:In that context, this doesn't belong either... It's correct, but it doesn't really add any new information to the paragraph preceding it on the main page -- except some bragging. Ergo, unnecessary. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:29, 18 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It's my (admittedly naive) hope that everyone can work collaboratively to fashion a version the "Brief History" section that is both non-braggadacio-ish and non-topical/not quicky dated. Can we all at least ''try''? '':S'' --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:00, 19 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Moving that stuff out of Brief History looks fair to me, Wan. --[[User:Jim_Extreme|Jim Extreme]] <sup>[[User_talk:Jim_Extreme|Talk]] | [[DHPD|DHPD]]</sup> 10:51, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ok hang on. I think the bit about The DHPD (and groups) making headway is news, but not history. HOWEVER, the fact that suburb was a wasteland with high repair amounts rivaled by very very few suburbs '''is''' history. Perhaps a rewrite that says it stood as a wasteland for a long time?<br />
''" For most of 2008, the efforts of survivors were impotent against the zombie horde. Most attempts were repelled, but survivors have shown that they are not abandoning this suburb and the war continues."''<br />
Since there is an active struggle there these days it does a disservice to ''both'' sides to gloss over it. My statement above is just a starting point, but I do thinking removing the fact that for 8 months DH was The Dead's is bullshit. <br />
I think if you can have something about DHPD's DMZ (which is A GROUP THING NOT A SUBURB THING) you can certainly have something about the Dead's long standing control of the burb (WHICH IS SUBURB HISTORY AND NOT A GROUP THING).--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 13:11, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::And Wan,remember that that comment was placed there to replace a more flametastic mean comment that was originally there, so let's not dismiss that edit entirely. But also don't take it as just bragging since it was an attempt to "compromise" at that time. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 13:14, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::: And hod on to your hats... I agree with DCC. Something along the lines of an edit that says...For over a year [[The Dead]] maintained a complete wasteland of the Hills annihilating any attempt of survivor forays into the region. It is only recently that any significant reclamation efforts have succeeded, ''(and then a bit that can be edited later after the fact depending on outcome of the current events)'' and even then it is too early to tell if those successes will be for a significant amount of time.<br><br />
::::[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 19:36, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::: I concur... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 14:35, 21 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::Did I just feel Hell freeze over? --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 15:32, 21 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::''The Dead, in fact, held Dunell Hills for over a year making it a wasteland with repair costs averaging easily in the 50 AP range and some buildings in the high 90s. Their presence is as strong as those that vow to restore the suburb making Dunell Hills a constant battleground with victories large and small for both sides.<br />
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While the current state of Dunell Hills is in flux and may always be it is important to note that both groups have had a significant impact on the history of Dunell Hills as well as the rest of Malton. '' I put this on there and I think this should be acceptable to both. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 15:42, 21 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I wasn't trying to "censor" the story... Nor do I think what you've all said above is incorrect, or that the last year or so is unworthy of mention. Far from it. I just didn't think that, as it stood, the "Brief History" entry was appropriate. Which is ''exactly'' why I moved the sections here, with a explanation... And didn't just delete it, or pull something drama-mongering, etc. etc. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:26, 21 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I worked on the Brief History section... Hope the changes I made are cool with everyone... One of the important things I did was add dates. The fact that no dates were in any version so far was a big problem. And, if my dates are wrong, then fix 'em! ''::returns to throwing snowballs at imps::'' --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:39, 21 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:: Looks good to me... [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 18:30, 21 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::: I'd like to put rough dates, rather than 'from fall to fall' - not all of us fight from the northern hemisphere, nor do we all use the word 'fall'. Anyone have any objections or suggestions? [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 05:33, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Well, I don't have anything other than rough dates, personally... What would you have? The third quarter of 2007? ;P If people have months... then okay, I guess go ahead. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:44, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::::: Well I know it was from November 2007 to September 2008; other than that I really like it, I feel it captures the essence of our struggle against one another this past year. Both the dead and the DHPD should be proud, it has been one hell of a fight and I think the history page is finally starting to capture that. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 22:10, 23 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Nice edit. Good job, Wan (and the others). So, uh... crap. You do realize that we can't actually all get along, right? It's just not natural. It's creepy even. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 21:02, 24 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Well duh... at this very moment I'm plotting your downfall, which will include quite gruesome death... The civility is just a smoke screen. *evil grin* ;-) --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 07:51, 25 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Redundant entry for NT Status?==<br />
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Ok. ''No one get their noses out joint''... and no effen drama, please, this is pretty straightforward. But is there really any need for that NT Status section Marty Banks just added? You can just click on the NT building in the TRP tables... Or post News reports regularly about it. Whatever. As it is, I feel it clutters up the page and totally repeats information that is a mere two inches above it... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:55, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:My fault, I was questioning why DHPD has their revive point "active" when the whole suburb is ruined, as is the NT building. I'm guessing he did that to show if the building is ruined or not, while not realizing that there is a link right above. --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 02:09, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:If Wan Yao posted a request and waited 2 days without a result I hardly think that qualifies as active or slow. I also don't see the problem with suggesting survivors seek revives elsewhere since any rez in this suburb will prove pointless while it is in zombie hands. What's the point of getting a needle and being at 25 or 30 HP when the suburb is crawling with patrolling zombies? You'll just end up dead again. The hospitals are all ruined and you couldn't safely heal yourself. The newbie player should be informed that it is in their best interest to not be revived there. I think the information in the new section is clutter. <br />
:It seems that no other groups are active in the area either. For a game that is played 24 hours a day waiting 48 hours for a needle that doesn't come (when survivors are the majority) is insane. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:11, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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My bad, I forgot about the subsection above, I'll fix that...<br />
I would like to add, that anyone not associated with hostile groups seeking a revive in Dunell Hills that posts in our forum queue will get a revive usually between 6 to 48 hours (revive times may vary based on revive team status and location). <br />
PS: Have a great weekend and an Awesome 4th of July... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 04:30, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Thing is ... a) I posted to the DEM Revive Request Tool, so it wasn't just standing there Mrh? and hoping b) I was the ONLY zombie in the church every time I logged in!! c) the alt is an obvious survivor, a scientist to boot, so if he was scanned no one would have hesitated to revive him. Now, if the RP was being actively patrolled, i should not have had to wait 40 hours for a revive. I '''do not''' consider my experiences to be conclusive, by any means. But, it is a piece of evidence to add to the pile... That's all. And FTR "Dangerous" might be a good status for the RP... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:44, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, I like 'Dangerous' too... actually, describes the situation better... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 18:13, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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==News items moved from main Suburb page June 2008==<br />
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===June 24<sub>st</sub>===<br />
A walkthrough today by Yours Truly has found that Dunell Hills is completely devoid of life. As one wag [[broadcast]] today, the [[DHPD]] is nowhere to be seen and should rename themselves as the "Doesn't Hold Police Departments". As the FIRST CLASS Captain of [[BPE]] I will take it upon myself to shift the DHPD to "former groups". This suburb's barricade plan is likewise worthless. --[[User:Capt Schwartz|Capt Schwartz]] 01:25, 24 June 2008 (BST) (FIRST CLASS)<br />
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:As a point of interest... As an "experiment" I spent almost 2 days standing up dead inside St Lorenzo's Churh -- the DHPD's indoor revive point. I posted a revive request as soon as I got there. And... Nothing... Nothing but the eerily silent dead... Revives come faster in Daker and Ridley... Conclude what you will from this "experiment" --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:24, 25 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Please note that Because of our reduced presence in the hills due to increased zombie activity you must submit a revive request to our [http://dhpdforums.proboards67.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=29 public revive service thread] linked to from this page so that we can revive you promptly... I'll update the information on the queue. Also note that because of the current situation DHPD members will take precedence in the queue. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 05:18, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::The request was placed via the DEM's revive request tool, so that unaffilliated survivors might also be able to be of assistance. The brutal truth of the matter is that -- while I do not believe that there are no survivors, ''ever'' in Dunell Hills -- I did not see evidence of even uncoordinated survivor presence, or of organised groups offering "services", etc. I am making these statements ''exactly because'' I have no ties to either of the two main groups who stake claims in this suburb, and it was high time someone unaffiliated with the two warring cliques made a news report in Dunell Hills. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:36, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Listen man, I'm Dixie Lead... I go through the [[DHPD]]'s revive queue list personally. You want revive services from the DHPD in such a difficult situation then you must use the proper channels. Other than that I have no sympathy for you forcing yourself to wait a long time by just swaying at a spot that may be life-striked and placed back into service at some point in the future. You need a revive in Dunell Hills? we work there and If I would have seen you on the list you would have been up quick since I know who you are. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 18:54, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Ok, a couple of things, Marty. First of all, I specifically didn't post to the DHPD request forum because I was hoping to see if anyone besides the DHPD might be in the area. I posted to the DEM tool, which anyone and everyone can see and use. See, that's the thing: this isn't just about the DHPD and the Dead. Other people play UD, some of them even go inside DH! Also, you wouldn't have recognised my alt, he's a newbie (but one i am actually playing and who had a reason to be in the region)... I didn't want wiki/metagame name recognition to play a part in getting a rezz, I wanted to be like any poor sod newbie who was unlucky enough to find himself in DH. All this being said... I removed the whole thread and put it here... Because it was B.S., and really proved nothing either way, that isn't already obvious... you're pretty much right on that count... and I should have known better... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 15:53, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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=====Section 1=====<br />
: Guys can we *please* not go through this again? Members of the Dead have no right to remove our group from the list of active survivor groups in Dunell Hills, and doing so is really nothing more than another attempt to boost egos by 'claiming' the suburb. Yes we're not there at the moment, that's mostly due to us helping various survivor groups attempt to fend off LUE at Caiger mall. If you read down you'll see that neutral parties agree that we have a right to maintain our group link in the suburb page, whether or not the suburb is ruined at any particular time. We haven't made any official or unofficial announcement that we've given up on securing the suburb, and taking our name off the list of groups there is hardly going to prompt one. You guys seem to be searching for some kind of 'end-game' result, and it's simply not possible in Urban Dead. The only way you can win is if you harrass a group enough that they stop playing the game and move elsewhere, and since the members of our group are, shock horror, actually friends, we're not going to cease to exist no matter what happens in the actual game. Nor is UD the only game many of us play together. ;) [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 14:12, 25 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:: ... no right to remove our group from the list of active survivor '''groups in Dunell Hills''' ...<br />
:: ... we're not there ...<br />
:: [[Image:Contradiction.png]] --[[User:Capt Schwartz|Capt Schwartz]] 23:13, 25 June 2008 (BST) (FIRST CLASS)<br />
::They aren't asking you to break up your BFF pact. They are asking you to realize that if you don't control the suburb or exist in the suburb you are hardly an active group in the suburb. The suburb has been in zombie hands a majority of the time for the last nine months and completely ruined for at least the last 3. <br />
::If you are active in Darvall Hts why aren't the DHPD listed on that page's group list? The Dead aren't contesting your existence they are merely pointing out you don't operate in the Hills. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 00:32, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::What other games does the DHPD play? Is your assertion that if we stomped you in a game other than UD, you will concede defeat? I'm a fukkin tiddlywinks master! --{{User:DrPain/sig}} 00:53, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Ah not this again... there's no such thing as winning or losing in urban dead... only elimination... so unless you're planning to go on a murdering spree to kill every active DHPD member you'll not get the ultimate defeat you've been so horny for, only a perpetual contention that is never to end until the game gets shut down or we all get bored... *shrugs* I now return to my classic rock music and music theory book, have a good one all... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 05:13, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Chill Marty, I don't want people kicking off again because at the end of the day you do have to acknowledge that The Dead are putting on a pretty mighty display by most standards. Elimination *would* be losing by any definition of the word, but you can't eliminate people in UD any more than zombies cos they just get revived and stand up again. As Extinction pointed out ages ago, the only way to elicit and endgame would be to ruin and hold every single NT in Malton and I don't think even the Dead can pull that off. So yes, feel free to brag that you've killed all the DHPD in Dunell Hills and kept the majority of it ruined for the majority of the time you've been there, but please leave our group name in the suburb page because it's our homeland after all and we haven't abandoned it so much as been forced out of it while we do the survivor thing and gather our strength. We'll be back soon enough to scrub the moss off Dury, but for now the entire local area is suffering somewhat of a crisis and our attention is elsewhere. As people have already pointed out, if everyone went round removing and adding group tags to suburbs every time they entered them, it'd be ridiculous. Having your group name there simply means that as a general policy your group wants to live there, it's not intrinsically tied to whether or not they have living feet in the area at the time. Arbitrary, but true. Feel free to point out exactly how many DHPD are in/not in the suburb at any one time as long as you're not BSing, you've earned that obviously, but stop trying to defame your opposition using cheap wiki tactics. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 11:14, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Also I will FUCK YOU UP at tiddlywinks man. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 11:15, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Actually I don't think you'd need to hold every NT, just the strategically important ones for the strategically important suburbs, like Latrobe for instance. Hold that and Caiger is down which means the entire NW is vulnerable. Or Whippey/Style and Stickling/Bale ... hold those and Caiger and you pretty much have a stranglehold on most of northern Malton. Add Haslock in Chancelwood and Dulston then the entire north is yours. That goes for breathers and zeds. We got a glimpse of the apocalyptic end game with The Dead's rampage, survivors got reduced to ... surviving a zombie apocalypse and a lot of old survivor groups started hemorrhaging members. Kill off the metagame culture and UD will be reduced to struggling die hards like the DHPD and eventually the game will die a natural death like all exhausted social networks. But then you've got Kevan on your side willing to artificially tip the balance with massively unrealistic search rate boosts...--[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 12:39, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
I'm not evem reading this, can't be arsed with your juvenalia... But, for the record, I did not initially remove the DHPD from the groups list. However, I did happen to notice that who ever did, they did so incorrectly and in a totally POV manner. I corrected this, while leaving the DHPD '''off''' the groups list. I had an alt in Dumbell Hills, that's why I looked at wiki... Anyhoo, my alt saw NO SIGNS of the DHPD, no signs of survivor habitation AT ALL. Therefore, though the WAY they did it was completely out of line, the actual removal of the DHPD from the groups itself was IMNSHO totally justified. Here's the thing... Is the DHPD now a mobile group? Seems like it to me... They've also made statements to that effect. Well, if so, then guess what? Other mobile groups don't get to be listed several suburbs in which they have almost no permanent presence... Neither should the DHPD. I am not a fan of the Dead or the DHPD. You all suck wet farts from dead pigeons. However... I am a fan of the truth. And the truth as I see it is that teh Ded currently own Dumbell Hills and the DHPD is nowhere to be seen. Deal. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:51, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Ok.. I read that... Zeuggy's comments are actually worth addressing... Kill off the metagaming culture and UD will die, yup, that's a big point that we shouldn't forget. However, for what it's worth, only already impotent and stagnant groups were seriously hurt by the Dead... Others came together even stronger as a result of the Dead's rampages. And still more ''new'' metagame groupings came about in direct response to their activities. As for the search rate buff, get over it already. Anyone who has played this game for any length of time KNOWS Kevan does that, and if they are SMART they will EXPECT it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:59, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ok, unless the DHPD can show proof of their presence and survival in the suburb in significant numbers and for a protracted period of time without getting slaugheterd every one or two days, you can add yourself to the page. If not, and you persist in editing the template to add yourselves, i will protect it and take you to [[A/VB]]. Im sick of this stupid edit war, and it ends now. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 15:57, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between presence and survival... We don't have to be thriving but we do need to be known to work there... and we do... We revive there and attack there. We have a presence; It may be a much smaller one, but it is there. Even the dead cannot deny that we have an interest in that suburb and are working against them all over our patrol area. So take it to arbitration or vandal banning, I could care less... but do not remove our name from the Suburb group list. It is our right to maintain both it and our struggle for the suburb proper. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 19:02, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Because you have refused to present evidence to back up your claim and perpetuated this edit conflict despite numerous reverts, i have protected the template and it shall remain protected for 24 hours, after which i shall remove the protection. If after that you start this shit up again without providing proof, ill lock it again and file a request for indefinate protection. You were warned in advance that this would happen. I dont give a flying fuck who is attacking who or who anyone here is. I just want for this dispute to be over, and the best way to end it in your favour is to prove your case, and it is not to have an edit war. I wouldnt have stepped in if WanYao hadnt sent an alt over to investigate and made the comments above and on the page news. Despite his faults WanYao is reliable and generally accurate, and as such i am very much inclined to take his word for it (Though im sending an alt of my own over to investigate as well, for more verification). --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 19:33, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thats awesome, you're awesome --{{User:DrPain/sig}} 01:14, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Don't get me wrong, I quite respect the fact that WanYao can maintain a NPOV opinion despite obviously being anti-DHPD with his character(s). I think this boils down to a misinterpretation of what the survivor list thingy actually means. Could someone link me to the page that describes the rules of who can and can't put their group tag there? There's a lot of confusion it would seem - some are saying you have to have a 'presence' there, which to nitpickers could be a single live person sat in a ruined building, some are saying there has to be a conspicuous, successful, organised presence. and I'm thinking that any group has a right to put it there as long as their group-wide policy states that they're fighting for control of it. If it's the first, then that's stupid cos anyone could walk into a suburb and put their group name down. If it's the second then I think that's unrealistic, because zombies hordes are now more able than ever to force survivors out of buildings/suburbs for extended periods of time (and quite frankly I don't think anyone could be arsed to follow along after zombie hordes adding and removing groups as they are killed off and revived). I put it down to this - if a survivor walks into Dunell Hills and looks around, and thinks to himself 'wow this suburb is ruined who could I join to try and get it back together', he's probably going to want to look at the 'survivor groups in this suburb' list. If he looks at that list and sees it empty, he'll assume that no one is interested in fighting for the suburb, which is not true because at the end of the day that's what ALL of our efforts are towards. If we disappear for a week to go help out somewhere else, the main inspiration is that we're assisting allies who have in the past helped us in securing parts of DH, and we're reinforcing our alliance so they'll consider helping us again in the future. Basically if a survivor wants to fight in Dunell Hills he should talk to the DHPD, because that's our objective and that's where we want to be as survivors. Yes the Dead have succeeded in killing every single person there and ruining every building, but they haven't stopped us trying and we will be back there very shortly. But whatever, leave it out and I'll put it back in when we arrive. Grimch you're actively PERPETUATING an edit war with your attitude, because by your actions you're forcing the DHPD and Dead to edit back and forth every time we gain a foothold there.<br />
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I would like someone to tell what the purpose of the group tags in a suburb is if not to direct players to groups they might consider joining to work in that area. If you want to work in Dunell Hills then the Dunell Hills Police Department is an obvious choice because we periodically attempt to retake it. Everyone knows that and everyone knows we won't be able to hold it for long because the forces arrayed against us are bigger than any survivor group is capable of overpowering, but to me this whole mess feels like someone is abusing a poorly thought out and obsolete rule to personally damage our group by taking as many links of ours off the wiki as possible to prevent people joining up. No other group in Malton seems to be getting this sort of treatment despite many being in a similar situation. And to answer your question, no. DHPD is not a 'mobile survivor group', in that we don't travel across Malton at whim like most others. We rarely go further than 10 blocks away from Dunell Hills and when we do it's to rearm and revive in preperation for another return. I don't think it's fair that zombie groups are able to keep a handful of players milling around in a suburb and call themselves 'active in the area' by default, whereas survivors are required to fight and barricade and survive to be allowed the same priveledge. It's zombie favouritism, plain and simple and if that's the policy then it needs changing to fairly reflect the nature of life or unlife in Malton. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 15:28, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Ezekiel, you actually have a point... You even had me convinced for a minute! However, Grimch is right: you need to offer some hard evidence that you're actually active in Dunell Hills. This is not a case of you being kicked out for a week or two, or even a month or two. This is like 9 months, and 3 months of continuous undead dominance of the suburb. I may be wrong, but the last time I recall a significant survivor presence was when COMBAT REVIVE and friends went in... And by mobile I mean just that: not limited to one suburb. Mobile groups can travel all over, or they can limited to a region, but they don't have a single home suburb. And, perhaps if the DHPD didn't lay claim to like what is it 6 suburbs you claim to have a "presence" in? If it weren't for that, if the DHPD were like most other groups and had one or two burbs they claimed as theirs... then people might not be as quick to jump on you, or to question your presence in DHills. Just a hunch.... Oh... and Grimch... FAULTS!?!? I have no faults, I am perfect, hah! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:15, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh. and my characters are not anti-DHPD, that was a weird statement. If anything, the sole character who ever interacted with the DHPD in a meaningful way was actively trying to help you's and your suburb out! If anyone is anti-DHPD, it's the RL me... But, really, what I am is anti-asshattery... I think the Dead are giant asshats, but I also find the DHPD often are too, in their wonderfully anal-retentive way... And that's kind of what this boils down to: cleaning up the wiki mess made by two fetishistically hostile groups... And it's all bloody stupid, really. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:28, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:''I don't think it's fair that zombie groups are able to keep a handful of players milling around in a suburb and call themselves 'active in the area' by default, whereas survivors are required to fight and barricade and survive to be allowed the same privilege.'' Ezekiel, survivors are required to '''survive'''. The only reason the zombies are just (as you put it) "milling about" DH is because they successfully uncade, kill, and evict all survivors. That's active in the area. They actively patrol and check ruins. They actively kill all survivors in the suburb. They keep the buildings ruined by their actions. If they weren't actively patrolling the suburb then I bet DHPD and other groups could have retaken some of it, but they haven't. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:53, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ill be unlocking the page early in a few minutes, simply because im tired and need to get some sleep soon, and dont want to let this run over by about six or seven hours. In other news, i now have an alt in the region. Feel free to contact my primary character, [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=136610 Gorbonzo] and give him a wave r a bite if you see him. Ill be examining both Dunell Hills and the surrounding area over the next few days. Ill also eat any humans i find because im a freaking zombie. If you restart the edit conflict after this, ill protect it again and make a request that it be permenant. Id like to think that the people here can act like mature adults, but i must admit i am skeptical. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 17:15, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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WanYao, that is incredibly unfair... have you ever hung with us for a while, or visited our forums? I think not... Before you insult us and accuse us of being something we're not; maybe you should get to know us better. Hell, you know what... I invite both you and Grimch to visit our forum. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 20:04, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the buffet at the Aloysius Marty and friends! Try again next week! Maybe you'll actually make it into the hills next time! --{{User:DrPain/sig}} 20:31, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Lunch!!! --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 20:46, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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My bad WanYao, for some reason I thought the whole 'Dumbell Hills' thing meant you'd thrown your lot in with the 'keep the Hills ruined crowd', we were going on the basis that the guy spraytagging 'Dumbell Hills xyz' a while back (you I'm guessing) was anti DHPD. :)<br />
Anyways look, here be a common misconception I'd like to clear up - everyone keeps saying the DHPD 'claim' all these suburbs as theirs. Back in the days when we were able to put half a dozen officers in every single police department in those 6 burbs, yeah, it was quite an attitude of 'this is our turf, we make things happen round here'. Obviously like most older UD groups we've had a significant loss in membership since then, further compounded by the Dead driving off anyone in the group not dedicated enough to keep logging in death after death, and at the same time the zombie presence in the whole 'DMZ' area has risen massively. Not just the Dead, they were just the icing on the cake - we've had all manner of zombie and PK groups decide to come ruin the area ever since the first mall tour decided to host their after-party in Dunell Hills. Hell we just had a charming visit from Flowers of Disease who took it upon themselves to target us right before LUE turned up and mashed the whole area to paste (in fact FoD switched sides and helped us with Bascombe and Caiger after they were done tallying our kills vs theirs). Anyways the point is that very few people still playing after all this time have an attitude of 'these are our suburbs', and if they do it's role-playing, just like the RRF roleplay 'Ridleybank is our suburb'. The difference is you can't actually physically force a zombie out of a suburb, whether a zed player stays or leaves is ENTIRELY psychological. I'm still going to argue that it's unfair that zombies can get themselves on a suburb page just by clicking a button to stand up every day and then spam a barricade with their claws, whereas a survivor group has to ensure they never once get overwhelmed and lose all their unruined buildings lest they be stricken from the list.<br />
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I'm gonna go dangerously out on a limb and propose that you may in fact be right - the DHPD have been away from DH for too long this time. We got sidetracked by a PKer attack from FoD, followed by a big siege with allies at Bascombe, which was interrupted by Caiger and the surrounding suburbs getting obliterated. But if you're going to argue by the rulebook, I wanna see those rules first. Show me where it states exactly what boxes a survivor group must tick to get their name on a suburb page - must they have at least 1 building barricaded at all times with at least 1, or maybe at least 2 or 3 survivors inside? Must they have a majority of standing numbers? Must they be able to revive someone within 24 hours on request? Must they even be alive? Is there some timer so that they're removed so many days after the last report of a living survivor from that group in the suburb? That would make sense, but would open up a whole evil kettle of fish while everyone argues and edit wars and throws screenshot evidence back and forth to prove their group still operates in that suburb on a regular basis. <br />
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I just think it's a shame that the Goons can't just play the game, bask in their victory and then get over themselves, instead they have to rub it in by pulling shit like this and forcing everyone to argue back and forth incessantly. It's really not how I want to play a *GAME*, and it surprises me that so many people actually get a kick out of that sort of thing. Most other groups are classier than that, and in the defence of the DHPD YES several of our members have got hot under the collar and said things that were best left off the wiki, but it's in retaliation to a level of constant harrassment that goes far beyond the petty arguments on this page. We've already had to eject half a dozen Goon spies from our forums for a start, which is a tactic that no other group I know of in Malton has stooped to on such a scale. <br />
Rah rah waffle rah. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 01:42, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hay it's tselita with a penis. --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 01:55, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh look another DHPD meltdown. --{{User:DrPain/sig}} 04:30, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's not a meltdown you numpty, try actually reading it. ^^ [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 12:17, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:You are pretty much arguing that you should stay because zombies cant be kicked out of a burb. While it is true that zombies cant be forced out of a burb, a sufficiently hostile suburb will, after a period of time, start a gradual member leak. A lot of hordes suffered this kind of thing at Caiger 1, the RRF groups were significantly depleted in the wake of it. In any case, your arguing that the two should be treated the same fails because the two are, to put it simply, not the same. The diference neccessitates a difference in treatment.<br>There are no hard and fast rules on inclusion on a suburb page, simply because they are impossible to verify and fairly quantify. In this case we can only go by the concensus of those in the suburb. Given that the Dead say you arent there, and Wan Yao and myself as independant observers have now have examined the suburb to find that this is actually the case, the concensus is that you are not in the suburb and should not be listed as such until you have a significant foothold due to the nature of the suburb. Alternatively, you could become a zombie group and move in as undead, which would allow you to place yourselves on the list under the zombie groups header, if being on the list is all you care about.<br>My suggestion to you is to move on. Against a horde the size of the Dead, and wit the determination to keep you out it has shown, you cannot win and this argument will stalemate for months. Instead go around and see the city, help out other areas with their rebuilding, or go on a zerg hunt, or declare war on DORIS. Just do something else to pass the time while the dead have thier fun and come back later. Your group has lasted this long, it can probably survive a few more months. You may even find such a shift, temporary as it will no doubt be, will breathe new life into your group. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 19:19, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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:: [blink] *crickets chirping* Umm... no?... yeah... no... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 18:37, 29 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Just change your RP validation for existance from "Controlling Dunell Hills" to "One day we shall return and retake Dunell Hills" and everything will work out fine, with a minimum of fuss and drama. But yes, the suburb is dead. Ive seen one living human my entire stay, he had 12hp, was infected, and i ate him. I have also yet to hear a groan. This place is deader than Ridleybank has been for years. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 04:22, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::: I don't think we are on the same page." Funny Movie... anywho... we never say die, so I would eliminate that thought... it's not happening... I am not saying that to be a jerk, it is just the way we are; We will not yield to griefers. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 06:27, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::This is stupid. There are plenty of other burbs in Malton that are in a similar situation to the hills - I wonder why the survivor groups are not getting kicked from these wiki pages or being asked to provide proof of their existence? Perhaps Wan yao can go through them all and figure out which ones need to be *removed from the wiki* That the DHPD considers itself to be in the area should be enough. We are working on raids into the hills and trying to get a foothold back in - we're just not doing a particularly good job. Other survivors trying to do the same should be able to find out that we are there. I fail to see why the DHPD should be getting kicked off the wiki page when no one is able to show any rule that says we are not fulfilling the requirements for listing.<br />
Grim - strangely enough, we are enjoying our current tenuous existence. This is a game and we have set ourselves an objective and are working towards it. Just because we don't seem to be very good at it doesn't mean that we aren't doing it nor that we are not having fun - the hills is currently one of the few places in Malton where one can really experience a zombie apocalypse! I don't see any reason for us to stop working in the hills while we are still having fun doing so.<br />
Can someone please point us to where on the wiki the rule that says 'you must be an effective survivor group to be listed' is kept? I'm going to put us back on for now - [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 08:23, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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:It's not that The Dead have kicked you out of Dunell Hills; it's that they've kicked you out and kept you out for months. Being a presence in a suburb means doing more than dying and crying in that suburb. Last I heard, your latest achievement in Dunell Hills was chickening out after you cajoled COMBAT REVIVE into needlebombing the Dury NT. I could be wrong about that. If I am, please correct me at great, tedious length. But if I'm not, and if your current top-secret operation consists of throwing DHPD guts into zombie mouths, you're not a presence in Dunell Hills. Keep dreamin' that dream, keep workin' towards that objective. -{{User:Mighty Agrippa/Sig}} 09:41, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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::It's actually neither that the dead have kicked us out nor that they have kicked us out for months. Try reading the post you are responding to before clicking the save page button - you seemed to have missed this o-so-vital step in conversation. *sips beer, breaks game, goes on and on and on* [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 10:20, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::I read your manifesto. You wonder why other groups aren't in the same situation that you're in. Seems to me it's because they've returned to, retaken buildings in, and generally had some effect on the suburbs they were briefly swept out of. Usually quicker than six months, too. You, on the other hand, have done... pretty much what I said above. As for the rest of it, Grim's answer sounds pretty good. Maybe you'd have better luck being listed as a zombie group. Or as food. -{{User:Mighty Agrippa/Sig}} 17:35, 30 June 2008 (BST) <br />
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Since you have zero interest in discussing this and reaching a concensus, i have reverted your edit and locked the page again, and filed for the protection to be held for a period of a month. Your arguments that just because you consider yourself to be in an area means you should be there is patently absurd. I could create a one member group, and consider myself to be active in every suburb in the city, and add myself. Id be quite rightly removed from every single page. You may well be asttempting to get into the suburb, but my examination of the surrounding area shows that that area is just as soundly fucked as this suburb. You are not present consistently, and when you are present, you are seldom so as humans, as such your argument that you are a human group in the area is patently absurd. The concensus is that you arent here, therefore you wont be listed. For fucks sake, i have yet to hear a single groan. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 12:08, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ok... First of all... I was with COMBAT REVIVE when we went into DH. We were not cajolled by anyone, we made our own decision based on our own reasons. You Goons need to drop the X-Files wannabe conspiracy theory everyone is out to get you bullshit... Fucking whiners, it's a TIRED schtick... Anyhooo... I will also say this: we actually made a FIGHT out of it, with a small handful of dedicated revivers... Anyone who was there knows this... Did we win? Fuck no, that's not the point. The point is that we were there and we made a fight of it, we had a ''presence''. For a short while... small... tenuous... yup. But a presence. And this is the thing IMNSHO with the DHPD... That is the point to this story... If they were basing themselves out of a nearby suburb and making a FIGHT of it... Actively... With guerrilla raids, mass reviving, regular strafing runs, etc. etc. Then they have a presence. The way I see it, even if you're dying all the time, but you're getting rezzed and coming back for more... Then you're there. But I personally have yet to see evidence of this. That's the issue. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:01, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:That's a fair enough opinion, and I don't disagree. DHPD have made very little headway into Dunell Hills the last couple of months other than a brief stint in Peddleson Village holding Bascombe and making sallies towards Dunell Hills, and a fairly frequent scout run to the main resource buidlings to check the levels of decay and zombie numbers. If you're going to base the list on survivor groups that have succeeded in instigating a siege at least often enough to be a nuisance then technically I'd have to admit we don't qualify at the moment. What I'm worried about though is that this could become a trend if the Dead propaganda machine (I have to call it that, any group that encourages its members to vote on as much inane shit as possible to give their future opinion 'weight' on the wiki is taking it a bit far) are given such a vague, arbitrary rulebook to go by. Would someone stop arguing rhetoric and show me the rulebook, the official page on the wiki where it states exactly what the criteria are for inclusion on a suburb? Otherwise I can't see this going anywhere good, since every time we enter the suburb there's going to be a fanfare of wiki edits and demands for screenshots followed by people arguing over dates and facts and 'oh its been 2 weeks since you were last here' 'no it wasnt it was 4 days' blah fucking blah. <br />
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:For the sake of sanity I'd rather everyone was just mature about it and accept that the group links aren't some kind of suburb danger report. If your concern is that the DHPD are using some kind of evil ninja wiki techniques to make us sound more important than we are, then you should probably realise that most of the excess 'DHPD propaganda' on the wiki is still there because we used to be the largest (or second) survivor group in Malton, and no one really bothers with the wiki enough to run around constantly keeping it up to date to reflect our current size. You wanna argue about the fact that the DHPD has it's tag on 6 suburbs instead of 1 then go ahead since that's more than most groups have, but this is really just petty from where I'm sitting. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 14:37, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Information on the page is supposed to be accurate, not simply a means of scoring points for either side. It is now presently accurate. As i have said before, there are no hard and fast rules for inclusion, in this case however the concensus is that you arent there and havent been for some time (Months), and that position is one you just reinforced with details in your previous post. Placing yourself on the groups active in the suburb list is actually misleading, and when this wiki is intended to be an information source to the players, such grandstanding to salve your ego cannot do anything but harm. Just let it drop. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 15:00, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::For the sake of neutrality all barricade plans should be featured on the page of the individual group that maintains them. If you think about it, the suburb page is supposed to be just about the suburb. Barricade plans aren't something inherent in a suburb. It's not like the burb defaults to that. Neither are revive points. If you don't use the wiki or metagame you will not know about plans or RPs. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:47, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Barricade plans are a different issue. And, while I think you are correct overall, Nubis, it's been conceded that info about RPs and barricade plans are ok on the suburb pages. That's the way it is, and if you want to argue against that, fine, but that's a different matter entirely. However, in most cases barricade plans are not maintained by just one group, but by most everyone in the suburb. Even if one group is most active in maintaining them, they "belong" to the suburb, not to one group. Thus, they actually belong on the suburb page, or linked to it. Anyhoo... as I said, this is a seperate issue. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:44, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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...Our ego? and barricade plans not being important to a suburb? Do you hear yourselves? --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 17:43, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Your arguments have no basis in reality or reason, and the way you are taking this personally indicates its an ego clash. Now, i can actually respect those few here trying to go about it in a reasonable manner and applaud them, but seriously, let the matter drop. And i mentioned nothing about barricade plans (That was Nubis only). As far as im concerned: Dont know, dont care unless theres another edit conflict there, given the page is presently protected, i guess we dont need to worry. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 17:48, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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:: I am currently in Dunell Hills, so are other [[DHPD]] members; we may be dead, but we are active, we are present, and we are still fighting the dead's zombies. How many group members does it take for a group to 'deserve' being on a suburbs active group list? and what condition must they be in? because if these rules were actually that stringent, half the survivor groups in Malton would have to be removed from the suburb lists at any given moment... Show me the rule on the books that says that and I'll back down... and accusing me of taking this personally is a foolish assumption... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 18:04, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::So, you are a survivor group, but you are all dead, and ZKing? Thats... Thats pretty dumb (Wow, you just wasted 35ap to cost them 1ap). If you want to be listed as a survivor group, get and maintain a presence as survivors. If you want you can declare yourself a zombie group and ill mark you as such on the thing if you like. Because, y'see, one of the prerequisites to being a survivor group in an area is being alive. This wiki is a resource for players looking for actual information, and as such it needs to be accurate, or as accurate as it can be made. As i have said repeatedly here, there are no hard and fast rules for inclusion. Your absence as survivors for 3+ months kinda removes you from the running however. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 18:15, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: We've only been dead for a few days, when the dead raided our safehouse nearby... You have not been here all three months, and taking the dead's word for it that we've been gone that long is a bad idea as they tend to be less than truthful. We are here... We have an interest in the suburb, we do revives, and try to secure buildings whenever possible... that should be more than enough... <br />
I could show you just how active we actually are around; You'd still say no despite the compelling evidence to the contrary and it would have the added bonus of our enemies now knowing where we are. So it would be a useless effort, that's why we're not showing you were we are, because we're not too keen on getting killed where we sleep... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 18:27, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Marty, please do that. That's what we've been asking for: evidence of DHPD activity in the suburb. You're perceiving bias where it actually doesn't exist. Several people have provided copious evidence that you're not an active presence. My own evidence is IMO powerful but not at all conclusive. But no one has countered the preponderance of the evidence that you're not there, so we have to conclude you're not. So, disprove the critics. It's simple, really... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:49, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::We can provide evidence that every building in DH is devoid of life and ruined in the past 24 hours compiled from UDBraaainz. --{{User:DrPain/sig}} 02:24, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::[[Image:RuinlevelDH.jpg]]<br />
::It has its' own '''new''' level of decay.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:57, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Agreed with WanYao, thats exactly what we have been asking for, and you have never given us. You want on? You need to prove that you deserve to be on there. And taking me to misconduct over this was just petty, especially when you didnt have a case. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 04:52, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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Something you people seem to be ignoring is that it doesn't say ''Survivor'' in the [[Template:Dunell Hills Groups|group-listing-template]]. It says '''''Pro'''-Survivor'', which makes the question of whether or not they're alive '''completely irrelevant'''. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:45, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
{{quote|Ezekiel UK|Yes we're not there at the moment, that's mostly due to us helping various survivor groups attempt to fend off LUE at Caiger mall.}}<br />
:Mmmm... Straight from the horses mouth. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 16:49, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yes, I read that. I'm not saying they belong to the list. With the lack of evidence of ''any kind'' of presence, they certainly don't. I'm just saying that they do not need to be alive to qualify. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 17:01, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Nice use of out of context quotes there Grimch.<br />
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:::Here is a screenshot of the last documented time (on our forum) that we were alive in Dunell Hills:<br />
:::http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/Ezekiel_album/screenshot.jpg<br />
:::Here is another couple more recent ones: <br />
:::http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/Ezekiel_album/screenshot2.jpg<br />
:::http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/Ezekiel_album/screenshot3.jpg<br />
:::Here is a handy link to the relevent map page where you can find the location of Yea, Lolley and Dury:<br />
:::http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/map.php?suburb=31<br />
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:::Basically, whoever said 3 months is full of shit cos I count a little over a month, and as you can probably tell we've certainly been in Dunell Hills whilst dead. In fact some of the scouting runs have been done whilst alive (as you can also tell), so to claim 'the DHPD is nowhere to be seen' just means you don't have enough of our members in your contacts list. I'd offer actual in game screenshots but I'm sure The Dead would love that, last time I checked one of their favourite past times is posting screenshots of our forums all over the internet. On the subject, I'd be quite appreciative if someone put us back on the page, and accept that making us post screenshots of our secure forum sections and location in-game every few days/weeks is completely fucking ridiculous. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 17:53, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Here's my Super Seckret Screenshot of Dunell Hills. <br>[[Image:SUPER_SECKRET_SCREENSHOT_Dunell_Hills.jpg| 400px]]<br> The map is dynamically updated by users running our Super Seckret Addon. The red R's stand for RUINED, the Open stands for open, and etc. As you can see, the entire suburb is ruined and open. --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 20:53, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::That's proof that the DHPD is really there...right?...right?... --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 20:58, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Eh and eh? The screenshot is completely irrelevant to the entire conversation and states the obvious. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 00:02, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Your screenshots have people talking about supposed actions on a private forum. No actual game screenshots. If it's obvious that there are no barricaded buildings in Dunnel Hills and thus no survivors, then why does the DHPD insist on claiming that they are in the suburb and that they have an active revive point? --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 00:14, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::You're stepping back in the argument, either you didn't read all of it or you're choosing to ignore what people are saying. Firstly, I said we haven't been alive in that suburb that I can tell since May 21st. If you want to dispute that then go ahead, but I have dated screenshots and you don't so even if you think I faked them by carefully altering the dates on the posts then you'll just have to take my word that I have a life and don't stoop that low. Secondly I said that our officers have been in the suburb at several points since then, including yesterday as the screenshots with reports of zombie numbers and level of decay in certain buildings attest. Again, I may have faked them - but are you going to show me the incredible timelapse screenshot program you're using to monitor all 100 blocks of Dunell Hills at all times, the one that is able to identify all DHPD members even when they're dead, the one that shows we did not in fact move through all those buildings and scout them out. Cos as far as I can tell, we qualify to appear on the list of 'known pro-survivor groups' in Dunell Hills. I don't know why I didn't point out the 'pro' bit before, the point was raised previously on this page and it was pointed out then as well. Basically to qualify we have to be inside Dunell Hills, alive or dead. And unless you've come up with some novel script that can kill people the second they enter a suburb, there's no way of stopping us from being there or proving we aren't.<br />
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::::::::Gutted. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 00:36, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::The thing is that you're not proving that you actually '''are''' there, and in my opinion the burden of proof is on you. Screenshots of forums only prove that you have ''information'' about the suburb. They don't prove that you are there, not even that you've ''been'' there. What you need are screenshots of DHPD members in Dunell Hills. Plain and simple. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 00:58, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Exactly what I was saying, Midianian. I found one [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:DuryMarty.jpg member]] in the Dury Building. I keep trying to be the one to kill him when he stands up but other zombies keep beating me to it. To Ezekiel - My focus has been on the public revive request tool. As you have said above, you are in the suburb, just in zombie form. I have changed the tool to note that. I request that if anyone edits that section, that they provide proof that the public revive request tool is being used or move it to a historical section in the Dunell Hills page. <small>—The preceding [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Gardenator|Gardenator]] ([[User talk:Gardenator|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gardenator|contribs]]) at an <span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=history}} unknown time]</span>.</small><br />
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::::::::::: burden of proof? are you daft? we don't need to prove anything... and under no circumstances will we compromise our operations over a weblink... as for our revive queue being inactive... that is for the group to update as it is OUR queue... and I can assure you that ANYONE that uses that as a tool and is not a goon will get a revive in from 6 to 48 hours... that is GUARANTEED... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 01:36, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::Quick guys, park your rotters in the RP to make him a liar. --{{User:DrPain/sig}} 03:12, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::Yes, burden of proof. The Dead are giving pretty convincing evidence that you might have difficulty being in the suburb. It's pretty close to impossible for them to prove that you aren't there, and it's easy for you to prove that you ''are'', so it is your responsibility to prove it. As long as you're providing zero evidence of your presence, you don't have any right to put your group on the list.<br />
::::::::::::It doesn't have to be a complete inventory of all your members in the suburb (however, it ''does'' have to be more than just Marty). It doesn't have to be of your safehouse/HQ. You don't even have to be alive in it. What's so damn difficult about providing that? --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 09:12, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::What he means is, you're wrong about the queue - we've not had many requests since the official public revive request thread was set up on our forums (a few months ago) but as far as I know all applicants were dealt with in a relatively timely fashion. Marty is in charge of that stuff now so he'll be ensuring it stays that way. Also thank you for posting the evidence requested Gardenator, and endeavouring to keep the suburb info up to date. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 03:09, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Shouldn't the template be fixed then to note '''Survivor groups''' instead of Pro-Survivor groups? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 03:23, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::No, PKers are survivors, and they already have their own section. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:26, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::AHLG, would you mind unlocking the page so we can put DHPD back on the suburb page? If I'm following the argument correctly, we've established that DHPD qualifies as a pro-survivor group, dead or alive, and all the evidence required to prove that we have members in the suburb (for today at least) has been provided. I'd ask Grim to do it but he's disappeared. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 04:05, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You havent proven that you are in the suburb, one frequently ZKed member doesnt count, otherwise we'd have groups putting themselves up everywhere they dont legitimately belong. And as for me dissapearing, thats because i had to do something we humans like to call "sleep". I have to leave as soon as i finish writing this for another thing humans have to do, its called "work", and its a place where i do not have computer access. Id support the unprotection on the condition that its left alone until this matter is settled on the talk page first. However i just dont have the time to search up the page, what with there being 10 minutes for me to get to the bus stop. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 04:45, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Not necessarily so Aeon17x, The Veterans of Fort Creedy were all Zombies, yet were Pro-Survivor (they only attacked other Zombies and helped empty NTs of Occupiers. And then there were the innanimates (weird group even by my standards) That created profiles of inanimate objects that killed mainly zombies (because they ransacked fellow inanimate objects) [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 04:12, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::There is an overlap though, as you can be both pro-survivor (for what you do) and zombie (for what you are). Seeing the DHPD's current state of being mostly dead, they'll probably qualify as a zombie group as well.<br><br />
:::What about renaming the Zombie group listing as '''Pro-Zombie''', to note how they are zombies or survivors working for undead-oriented goals? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 04:53, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: I was for that Personally, but there was some debate about that some time ago, and in the typical wiki fashion...went no where. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:27, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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There's so much that's wrong with all of this... I can't even address it all. But I'll try. <br />
*There don't need barricades for there to be a survivor presence in an area. [[HIPS | Think outside the barricade]], already. <br />
*UDBrain, nuh? DEMON, nuh? We've been down ''that'' path so many times... but... yeah... anyhoooo... <small>''lazy cheating scumfucks lazy cheating scumfucks''</small> ... oh?! did i hear something????? ah, i guess it was just the wind.... <br />
*One doesn't necessarily need to compromise missions and operations to provide evidence of an authentic presence in a suburb. <br />
*As much as I'd like to wrap my brain around the idea, being a pro-survivor group who's only in a suburb while dead just doesn't seem to cut it for me...<br />
*Same goes for sending a couple of people in every few days to scout. ''Not. An. Authentic. Presence.'' Groups scout Ridley and Easton all the time, but don't put themselves on the groups list. <br />
*Really, with 66 members ATM, the DHPD ''ought'' to be able to make their presence felt in DH. If only a small % of that number, let's say even a dozen to twenty, were well-coordinated and using smart tactics -- they could easily do enough IMNSHO to demonstrate an authentic presence in the suburb. <br />
*All that being said... boxy spoke (or typed) some bona fide truth recently. Let me quote him here: ''"Being ineffectual has never been a reason to remove a group from a suburb list. If it was so, for much of the time I was in the NE suburbs with my little band of zombies, not a single zombie group should have been listed. If you stood in one place for more than 5 minutes, headshot. This is a bad precedence, and the only way to make it useful is to only have it apply to survivors (only survivors can be forced to play as zombies in a specific area, not the opposite)"''.[[UDWiki:Administration/Protections | citation]] Amen, boxy. Thanks for injecting some healthy reason and common sense into this debate. <br />
*And I re-iterate what I've said before: you could be dying like flies in a suburb, but that doesn't mean you're not fighting for it and thus a presence. Take FUACK, for example, no one questions them being in Daker... It's just that we still don't see any evidence that the DHPD are even doing this much, dying like flies but coming back for more, in DH. And I'm sorry -- again -- a few scouts and some zombified patrols IMO doesn't quite cut it... But, that is a matter of opinion, sound opinion I think, but.... Whatever. <br />
Anyway... Do what you want with all that. I'm sooooo fucking sick of this... it's pathetic, and I'm leaving. Ciao. Have fun waving your e-penises on your forums, kids. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:05, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I have an e-vagina thanks. --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 16:54, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==NPOV in "Since the Outbreak"==<br />
I think the case can be made that Dunell Hills was survivor-friendly before the arrival of Project T.I.M.E. and then the earliest incarnations of The Dead in late 2007, and after that, it has been a zombie-held zone. Also this fact is referenced on another page [[DHPD/the_dead_of_Dunell_Hills|here]] Thus, I will defend the mention of The Dead in making the area consistently unfriendly to survivors. --[[User:Zambargh the Ravener|Zambargh the Ravener]] 17:56, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:The current revision is acceptable. --[[User:Zambargh the Ravener|Zambargh the Ravener]] 18:01, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::You go girl! --{{User:Zambargh_the_Ravener/Sig}} 18:24, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I recall DH being pretty unsafe during the Autumn of Extinction... Which is why I mentioned it... Then, between the collapse of the Extinction Zone and the rise of the Dead, it /was/ pretty safe overall, I think... But not consistently, and it wasn't just the Dead who have trashed the region... others have before. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:19, 11 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::DH was pretty unsafe for a long time after The Shining Ones hit it as far as I know and it was mostly due to ferals. Of course that was a long long time ago and evidently the DHPD actually somehow had a safe suburb for some of the intervening time. --[[User:Riseabove|Riseabove]] 22:40, 12 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Dunell Hills, like every suburb, has had varying periods of safety and danger- sometimes both at the same time (like during the failed Extinction invasion).--[[User:Razi|Razi]] 23:36, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Settling the "DMZ" issue==<br />
Okay, let's work on settling this shit because I doubt the mods are going to put up with it much longer. To sum up the problem, there's a link to the so-called DMZ in the NPOV section. It does not belong there, but certain parties are intent on keeping it there while more reasonable people realize it needs to be moved. While a decision was made on not spamming group links in the categories section (see [[The_Dead/Archive|here]]), this particular point was only lightly touched on and could use further discussion.<br><br />
There has been some precedence set on this by [[Ridleybank]] and the RRF. While there is a link to the Greater Ridleybank pages, it does not appear until ''after'' the NPOV section. Obviously the same can be created here, using a General Information subsection that is not part of the NPOV section. However, this section would clearly not be under the control of any one group. Should certain groups need to advertise information, regardless of accuracy, they can do it here.<br><br />
This issue could be brought to arbitration, but I'd like to get a few non-crazy opinions first. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 00:25, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Thats fine with me as long as your group doesnt feel the need to constantly spam the section with your awesome anti-DHPD propaganda. We recognize that you dont like us, yet we do not put forth even a fraction of the effort you do at deffamation of our group. As long as it remained civil im sure we would be all for it. -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 00:31, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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I've rewritten the entire page. I am sure you'll all agree it is much, much better now. It also conforms to NPOV. Go figure. I'll aso reproduce this gibberish that I completely deleted... It's contentless, well, gibberish... Whoever wants it can have it. <br />
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:Oddly this zombie presence have taken a strong interest in study of the human subconscious. Enrollment and more information can be found at Anderson Row School.<br />
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:The rise of the zombie also promoted the metaphor of mental function as information processing. This, combined with a scientific approach to studying the mind, as well as a belief in internal mental states, led to the rise of cognitivism as a popular model of the mind. It explicitly acknowledges the existence of internal mental states (such as belief, desire and motivation) unlike behaviorism.<br />
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:With the development of zombie technology of understanding human behavior for accurately measuring brain function, neuropsychology and cognitive neuroscience have become some of the most active areas in contemporary psychology. With the increasing involvement of other disciplines in the quest to understand the mind, the umbrella discipline of cognitive science has been created as a means of focusing such efforts in a constructive way. Perhaps one day through undead research and human dance competitions in Clud Meade, we can bond the two and experience a sensation unlike that of two slugs mating. <br />
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--[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:20, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Thank you WanYao, I appreciate what you did. I have no problems whatsoever with the updated page. -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 06:29, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::The community can feel free to elaborate on the "A Breif History" part... You probably should, that part kinda sucks. Just rembember, it doesn't have to be ''strictly'' NPOV, but it shouldn't be blatant propaganda either... That's the point: these are ''community'' pages. The Dead doesn't own it, the DHPD doesn't own it, it's everyone's --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:38, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Bah, I'm still not sold on the history section mentioning the 'DMZ'. It's a one-group concept of no relevance to anyone other than the members of the DHPD. Not only is it purely for their benefit, it no longer exists in any effective manner. This section reeks of appeasement. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 09:04, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Meh... 1) There are precedents for the "Brief History of..." section. 2) Like it or not, admit it or not, Dead-e-os, the DHPD still operate in the area... even if only barely ;) 3) The DHPD and the DMZ are part of the history of the burb, an important part. Just like the Dead, and the Extinction invasion last year. By your logic, Greater Ridelybank shouldn't be mentioned on the wiki. Well, I don't buy that logic, sorry, nor do most wiki-ers. Now, if I have left important stuff out, well... locals who know more... embellish. 4) And trying to be even-handed and drama-reduced = appeasement?? Whatever... In other words.... suck it up, drama-princesses, you don't fucking own this wiki -- neither the Dead nor the DHPD. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 09:18, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Really? Honestly this DMZ crap is unbelievable, why even bother with trying to keep it NPOV -<br />
::::::'''Peddlesden Village:''' "The suburb '''benefits''' from the proximity to Dunell Hills and the influence of the DHPD as it was the first suburb to be incorporated into the Dunell Military Zone."<br />
::::::'''Owsleybank:''' "Owsleybank is part of the Dunell Military Zone."<br />
::::::'''Chudleytown:''' "It is also part of the DMZ, containing two DHPD precincts."<br />
::::::'''Molebank:''' "It is part of the DMZ."<br />
::::::'''West Becktown:''' "West Becktown is part of the Dunell Military Zone."<br />
::::::Why is all that crap there? Because a tiny survivor group 'claims' those suburbs? All mention of it should be removed from everywhere but their own pages. The Dead could easily claim 95% of the suburbs on the map, but we're just too god-damn high-class. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 09:34, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::You're dead fucking right. Pun intended. Sooooo... get off your ass and FIX it... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:22, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Happy now, you lazy whinger? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:30, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::They changed all the suburbs back to the DMZ Zone, again. You gotta hand it to these 6 fellas at least. They are determined to have ownership of the suburbs. I guess they see it as a means to have their group grow back to be less pathetic. When caught, they're all happy sunshine and smiles, like oh dearie tis that true? 'Oh sir Mods please change it to reflect the NPOV. By the WanYao I love what you done with your hair. And Boxy, oh your dress is so soft.' While at the same time spit venom at anyone who is just updating it to reflect what's going on ingame. Then they sneer and change it back to DMZ after all the drama is over. For people that have a sensual obsession against 'drama llamas' they seem to enjoy it. It's too bad they don't have that determination in game as they do on their precious wiki. All their suburbs are dead and have been for almost 8 months now. Hate the Dead? That's fine, but at least we don't lie.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 06:26, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Moreso, but who can ever be truly happy when there's just so much suffering in this cruel world :( --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 12:32, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I would add it back in or we will start this edit war crap again, whether you like it or not those suburbs are part of the DMZ. 1 sentence wont kill you as much as you complain it will. Sadly I already know your answer. I guess it will start in a little while then... -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 00:00, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::::Peddlesden Village, Owsleybank, Chudleyton, Molebank and West Becktown. Six suburbs. According to the game stats page, the DHPD numbers 68 members. That's roughly 11 per suburb, if you do indeed have a presence in all of the "DMZ". The Dead number 1561 members. With 100 suburbs total, that's roughly 15 per suburb.<br />
:::::::::::You can now either accept that by your own rules The Dead own and control the entire city, ''including'' the DMZ, or admit that your pathetic little group is clinging to this one last hopeless lie to try and make itself seem like anything but the irrelevant and flimsy house of cards it is.<br />
:::::::::::Either way, we control the DMZ and you don't. Superiority of numbers, after all - 90 of us (15x6) outnumber a mere 68 of you. {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 05:21, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::: Yay us. As long as we have 6 members we can have a presence in all 6 suburbs. Thanks for pointing it out! You have a long way to go to drop us below that, we'll be adding ourselves back on now, kthanx. -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 05:37, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::: Holy christ you guys are pathetic. It's sad that you think that reply was even a burn. 6? How many zergers do you guys have???--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 05:56, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::On noes! Someone who has spent days trying to get the wording of the UD wiki changed cause his big bad group has done mine in thinks that I am pathetic! Man, I really must have hit rock bottom. Pretty sure that even my Mum doesn't think that I'm cool any more. Scoobs, surely there is something I can do to get your respect back? I'm not sure that I can face the world without it. xxx [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 06:22, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::: Notice how the subject reverts back to babyspeak when caught with nothing to say, children.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 06:29, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::I love when you act like you're so grown up and mature, in reality its really easy to picture you as a 14 year old in your mom's basement. I even bet you have a cardboard fort that you set up down there so you could rule your basement with an iron fist, am I right Scoobs? Go pretend you're going to conquer the world some more, if that doesnt work im sure you can rely on your backup plan of Malton. If all else fails you still have your basement! -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 06:48, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::Cisisero sweetheart, I'm afraid it doesn't work like that does it? If every survivor group who operates in a suburb got "just 1 sentence" on the suburb description pages then the wiki would be rendered unuseable. Please explain to me why the DHPD should get preferential treatment above all other groups? I have reverted your edits and shall continue to do so. If you still don't agree then please take this to arbitration, I would dearly love to see some common sense put to work here. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 07:58, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::Because the DHPD is a large group, a very old group, and has a very long history in these suburbs... We are more a part of their history than you ever will be. We exist there, and we will continue to exist there... Removing what we have earned is a crime against us... Against every gamer, bored college student, and busy corporate office worker who puts their 50AP in everyday during lunch or before bed... Just because you're not too busy to play this game as a group 24-7... doesn't mean that we aren't when we manage yank in a precious five minutes free out our busy days... now get off of our page... and leave the DMZ where it belongs... in and on the DMZ... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 08:07, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::: Get off your page? How rude. I'm afraid you're confused Marty, this is the Dunell Hills suburb page. The DMZ of course can remain in whatever form you wish, on the DHPD pages - your group, despite it's history has no divine right to use the wiki for their own ends. This is a wiki for everyone, those suburb pages are for everyone - they sadly do not exist for the benefit of your group. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 09:04, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::: Sorry, wrong wiki page... thought we were on the DHPD talk page... but seriously... this will teach you to put a cork in it!!! verdict of Gnome and Hagnat-5 (Hagnat-5: "your group can edit the suburb page to have a This burb is part of the DMZ, but you shouldnt categorize them as such.") [[DHPD/Archive#Category]]. That is their verdict, it can be included in the suburb descriptions... so you can piss off... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 09:08, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::::I can piss off? My word, dear boy you have quite offended my delicate sensibilities. Shocking personal attacks aside, I stand by my point and shall continue to do so. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 09:20, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::Hahaha, it's ''awesome'' when you play the "history" card on us. Mainly because, y'know, you have no history in this game in comparison to us. {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 09:16, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::Nothing about your "DMZ" merits notice on the suburbs page, history or not. There are quite a few groups with more history than yours that are still around and don't demand preferential wiki treatment. Your "DMZ" only exists in your mind in the game (you're not currently holding most of these suburbs) and in the wiki should only exist in DHPD owned pages. Furthermore no amount of history justifies your absolutely amazing amount of whining when someone comes along and points out that you've had all kinds of special treatment on this wiki and most of it should be removed. --[[User:Riseabove|Riseabove]] 21:41, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Why is Marty so Crazy?==<br />
God may be the only one who knows.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 09:28, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
[[Image:Atruefriend.jpg]]<br><br><br />
Scoobie - shame on you for marring their page with your crappy artwork! You should have posted mine because it is better. <br><br />
[[Image:Martypisseshispants.jpg]]<br><br />
--[[User:DCC|DCC]] 14:51, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Seriously guys, this is your last warning. Keep messing with us and I'll be forced to get seriously passive-aggressive on your arses. You should know be now that I am well trained in nonviolent resistance and am a tenth dan negotiator. Stand down. [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 00:20, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Keep on redrawing that line champ.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 06:28, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Saved for future reference==<br />
Recently certain whiny babies have thrown tantrums over the discussion regarding whether or not groups are allowed to spam links to their page all over suburb/individual building pages. Since the mods' decision was not in their favor they have tried to remove its existence from the wiki. However, as this decision seems relatively important it has been saved for posterity here [[The_Dead/Archive]]. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 18:25, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:It is also saved here : [[DHPD/Archive]] -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 22:37, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yes, and was placed there only after The Dead archived it, and only when the DHPD was informed from many directions that deleting comments without archiving them for reference was poor form. [[User:Jerith|Jerith]] 22:39, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::: yeah you're right, it was place there after you started whining and stuff. Im sorry. Its a good thing you admitted your a dedicated zed or I would feel worse, but seeing as how we wouldnt want you in our group anyway I can care less. Lets spam up this section too! -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 22:44, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Keep it civil please lads. We don't want any more idiotic flamebaiting. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:46, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Nope, I play -a- dedicated zed. The rest of my characters are only dead incidentally. My dedicated zed is my second oldest character, having been around for two years. But, no big. I didn't flame, and I don't flame. I voiced concerns about your behavior. I didn't whine. You wanna come back angry, cool, that's your call. But "I don't like it" does not make something spam, nor does it make it a flame. Just clarifying, because apparently your terminology got screwed up somewhere along the line. [[User:Jerith|Jerith]] 23:53, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::: :'( -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 00:53, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::It's probably best not to get into arguments with crazy people. As you can see, they've long since gone beyond real communicative abilities and seem to only be able to string together words in a failed attempt to make a complete sentence. The best thing to do would be to nod politely, smile, and let them be. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 01:37, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Yeah... I'm with you now. I think I'll go to Dunnel Hills and take out my built up frustration and aggression. If anything convinced me that all of the survivors need to die, it'd be the reception that the DHPD gives to visitors on their talk pages and the wiki in general. :) *Sips Shotgun* [[User:Jerith|Jerith]] 02:00, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Take out your frustration on what? Ruined buildings? No one is there except The Dead. --[[User:DCC|DCC]] 02:40, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::: Point taken, but, I'm sure they'll occasionally want to un-ruin a building or two. You know, Phyrric victories and all that? Ruining it again will be fun in such instances. Also, I only really said that because I plan to pass through on my way to the greening suburbs in the south, maybe update the statuses of some of the ones I pass through. [[User:Jerith|Jerith]] 06:04, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Ahem.... FYI, the DHPD do ''not'' represent in any way, shape or fashion the "survivor community". Just as the Dead in no way represent the larger "zombie community". --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:18, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Hey, Mensa , The Dead '''are''' the larger zombie community. So, I say, yeah, we do represent.Word.--[[User:DCC|DCC]] 14:32, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::AH HAHAHAHAHA...that is all--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 17:14, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::It's true, isn't it? You really are an alt account of mine. Odd, considering I'm just an alt account of Katthew's. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 17:50, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::And I thought Laughing Man wasn't serious. Geez you guys really do just put up random shit.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 17:26, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Hey! Didn't you notice I said "that is all"? That is all means THAT IS ALL. NO MAS. Your comment is clearly out of place--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 17:31, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Sorry, but one big self-obssessed daisy-chain doesn't really count as the whole of the Rainbow Community. So to speak... Basically, the Dead are the zombie-trenchcoater flipside of the DHPD... and about as tactically incompetent on the zombie saide of things as the DHPD, too... The Goons just have a slightly (slightly...) better grasp on reality and rhetoric than DHPDers. Otherwise, I don't see much of a difference, really. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:45, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Anything opposite of tenchcoating is fine in my book. I didn't think that making a record of most ruined buildings and forcing Kevan to make alterations to the search rate meant we were incompetent. Seems like we're doing just fine even with the higher rates too.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 17:26, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::: Well, if it comes down to it, The Dead represent the larger zombie community in a way the DHPD does NOT represent the larger survivor community, I'll give you that. Nonetheless, the attitude is prevalent. [[User:Jerith|Jerith]] 06:04, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::We also have never claimed to represent the majority of the survivor community. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 03:21, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Well, apart from that one time. *loads beer* [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 03:25, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::: :P -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 03:28, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::: Oh I remember that time; we were so drunk... and I accidentally shot PsychoPhil, because I thought he was PsychoPhill... that was awesome... umm... wait... that was the time right? --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 05:42, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::that is SO WACKY i bet you drink all the time too becuase you are so wacky like that<br />
:::::::::::::: Where's 'pushing the envelop' that you promised you crazy fella?--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 17:26, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::hey<br />
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:::::::::::::you retarded [[User:Rudiger Jones|Rudiger Jones]] 17:04, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==DHPD Pushed Back By Ferals==<br />
# FmrPFCBob said "Good God .... aren't you guys BORED yet?<br />
#I mean really .... hasn't this gotten old yet?" (4 hours and 59 <br />
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# Ezekiel UK said "I feel sorry for you all." (3 hours and 14 <br />
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Hahah. I feel sorry for the DHPD. Being pushed out by scouts. We're a big group and we're everywhere. Get over yourselves and your boredom. Go outside or join another group that can do something against us.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 04:40, 5 April 2008 (BST) <br />
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==lmao dhpd==<br />
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is a corpse still a police officer technically {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 11:41, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hey, these guys like RPing, right? Let's look at it from an RP standpoint. The DHPD did such a craptacular job of maintaining order in Dunell Hills that a major infestation was able to germinate there, resulting in the rise of a massive horde of zombies that then proceeded to mow down the entire city, and keeps circling it to this day like some malevolent turd in a toilet bowl.<br />
:The DHPD was decimated in the initial outbreak, and what few members ran screaming into the night like the cowardly fools they are just get killed within a day or so of trying to return to sift through the rubble.<br />
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:Seems to me, any suburb that had such an abysmal lack of protection would want to rid themselves of the very memory of such a weak band of losers.--[[User:DoohickeyBones|DoohickeyBones]] 18:36, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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::And the village idiots of bastard town keep on running their pie holes with insults... two can play at this game... If you'll excuse me, I will be preparing for the season premier of my favorite show. So I will yield the floor to Cisisero (provivded he is not going to be watching the same show...) and my good friends from the bowels of hell... The Loons from Goon Town!!! The Vile Jokers of Insanityville... The Goons of the Dead!!! The Something Awful Forum Trolls!!! wooo!!! *large audience applause* and I tell you folks... not only are they incredibly mean... no... they are incredibly mean with a style that would make Osama Bin Laden jealous... so without further adieu... here are the most evil people in the griefer business... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 21:30, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::You play the game like a retard. The majority of our arguments are sound and backed by logic and common sense while yours...just look pathetic? You can't even rally your troops without zerging as Cisisero's multiple characters have shown. I'm hoping you attempt (AGAIN) to say we're zerging when even Kevan admits we're not.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 02:26, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::: Strike 1!! You've said those things already, everyone knows you like to digress to issues that are either false or have no bearing on the current conversation when you have nothing to say... but that was dismal... try again... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 06:06, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: More like Home run. http://profiles.urbandead.info/index.php?name=cisisero* All made around the same date as the original. Class. Act. Why do you even try? I haven't read one post from you where you actually make a point. Completely useless.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 06:40, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::: I know Cisisero; he's no zerger... and frankly I don't care... if even if he was... he's ten times better than you lot... You're human garbage; the people that through your own self loathing allow yourselves become janitors and secretaries... hating your lives, your jobs, and the people around you until you die of heart disease... You will never be complete and you will never do what you want in life... and all your posturing and disrespect on the internet will earn you nothing; because when you face people in person you stutter and answer them with a yes or no sir/madam... Yeah, no one can do jack about what you say and how you comport yourselves here; but if you spoke to people that way in public you'd end up with a shattered jaw. <br />
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Answer honestly; would you dare speak to your neighbors that way? Would you graffiti their homes and yell at them on their properties? --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 07:28, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Threatening violence over the internet? Why I never! Demeaning remarks for the filing/cleaning industry? Oh my! Broad casting's one's fears through insults? It's Marty Banks! Realize this is just a game, kid. You're probably in your early thirties but you sure have a ways to go. You seem unstable. Your posts are inching towards winning one of SA's comedy meltdown awards. I'll 'answer honestly' too. I would dare since it's our property.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 16:32, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::::The funny part of tht is that most of those characters were created when I was with Something Awful. Im sure in all your grandness that you would never think someone would turn his back on all of you right? To be honest I was following another Goon's suggestion at the time to create throw away accounts, but you guys wouldn't still be throwing that suggestion around would you? If you ever see any of those character active anywhere you just let me know. Im sure you havent though as it would have been brought up way before this in some lame measure to prove we are zerging. As it is, you dont have proof of anything as there is also the fact that none of those have been touched since maybe a day after I created them... But you all keep being right all the time, k? [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 09:00, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well considering DHPD's leader was busted for 250 alts(Jesus) and that you also attempted propaganda by taking over a border building of Dunell Hills, you aren't exactly commander truth man.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 16:32, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Interesting. In between when you created your first character (30 Jun 06) and the closing of the last UD thread (30 Jul 06) there are exactly four posts. Not a single one says create many characters. In fact, nowhere in the thread does it say that. But you go ahead and keep making up your fairy tales. They're somewhat more amusing than Marty's sad attempts at insults. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 15:16, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::And then you also wonder why you didnt have a profile link to my character huh? You're starting to border on retarded. I have an archives account too. I can look at everything you can. You may want to ask people likee DCC (Scraps) if I was a member of the Many or anything too. Unless she lies to you I think you'll find the answer waaaaay to unbearable for your apparently fragile mind. As for you trying to remove us from the wiki, I will have people in DH anytime you try. Hope you enjoy this game; I am, and have been a member of SA for longer than you Laughing Man. I know how to play this game and none of the comments mentioned here bother me in the slightest. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 18:23, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You are full of shit. Compare [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=97517 DCC Member of The Many/DARIS] this profile with any of [http://profiles.urbandead.info/index.php?name=cisisero* Your profiles]. DCC came in on the tail end of The Many and she is still at least 1 year older than any of your characters. So, don't give us this "I've been around SA UD just as long HURR HURR" shit. --[[User:DCC|DCC]] 02:28, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I wouldn't waste your time on this rubbish. They're on the tail end of a dying group. The stragglers of any bad cause are always the most closed minded and willing to deny truth.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 02:58, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::It's too bad you're too much of a whiny bitch to prove it. You toss around forum names like you're some sort of fucking magician but anyone who looks at the GBS threads can figure out who is who. Tell you what, numbnuts. Make a post in the thread, prove who you are, and Laughing Man steps off the wiki forever and never comes back. Toxx Clause that shit, if you will. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 18:30, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::: You'd like that wouldn't you... pathetic... no one cares about you, stepping off... some other goon will just take your place...<br />
I tell you what, if you think you can get the [[DHPD]] to hang our heads in defeat and disband you have another thing coming... The [[DHPD]] will not disband for the likes of 'the dead'; the fact is that the game is not such a large part of our group anymore and there's really no way that we'll lose cohesion because of it... You can't really touch us in our forum, you can't touch us in the IM, and you certainly can't touch us in real life... so why continue this? oh wait... because you think you'll get somewhere... hahaha... you're powerless to stop us from being a cohesive group and you know it... i smell desperation... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 19:42, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::It takes a real man to admit that even in his fantasy game he's still a loser. Tell you what. Since the game isn't a large part of your group how about either not play it or just get a new 'hood. You can get together in real life and have Dunell Hills PD Pantie Parties(TM) all day long. Also I wouldn't recommend the 'you don't know who I am in real life, BLARGH ME IMPORTANT'. We just don't care. So retreat to your fantasy forum and stay off our suburb.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 19:56, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::: It is not your suburb (If it is 'anybody's' suburb, it is Kevan's) and it isn't even our suburb... it is 'a' suburb... and if you think we're going to abandon the place we call home... you've got a screw loose in your freakishly big ego... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 20:05, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Thankfully you always have realized it isn't your suburb and thus didn't need to be categorized as such. With that realization you didn't complain mightily about the DHPD categories being removed from location pages or cry to the member of your group who's a sysop for help. You've been the very model of good sportsmanship, DHPD. Oh wai --[[User:Riseabove|Riseabove]] 20:32, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::You've resorted to personal attacks on the players behind the characters. It's obviously either the last act of a desperate man or the first act of Henry V. Either way, you've lost. You'll continue on your downward spiral for a little bit, then eventually go the way of Major Striker. Hell, I've even given you a way to get rid of one of your loudest opponents, but you're obviously too scared to take me up on it. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 20:12, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::: I don't think so bub... maybe I struck a nerve? no? I expected as much... just don't think you're striking any nerves in kind... I'm just playing your game... it is a game you made to have no rules... If you go there... I will go there ten fold... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 21:47, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::I'd say we've been hitting your nerves for a while now. Take a look at your posts. Go on, I can wait until you're done. Notice the way they degrade in quality each time? Yeah, that's us getting to you and you getting more and more desperate. Hell, we don't even need to provoke you anymore since you're now managing to do all the work yourself. Keep on fighting the good fight, because when it's done you're going to be a burned-out shell of a person. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 22:38, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::"If you go there... I will go there ten fold..." - Exactly what do you mean by that comment Marty? Is it intended to be intimidating? Is that some kind of threat? I'm genuinely intrigued. Either way, why don't you go and take a long walk outside and take a few deep breaths champ. Jesus christ. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 23:51, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::LMAO you guys sat around all day arguing on the wiki, it was a saturday and all you had to do was sit on a wiki? How fucking pathetic is that? [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 10:37, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Now is that any way to treat a member of your group? Sure Marty spends all his time here writing nonsensical ramblings when he's not busy crying himself to sleep, but there's no reason to point that out. And you've still got a few hours to prove you've got any balls, but we both know it won't happen. But that's okay little baby, because we both know you'll go on pretending your existence means something while everyone else knows you're a pathetic failure. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 16:07, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Awww. I, so glad you still think I care about how you feel, its so cute! Someone else mentioned a pretty good reason as to why I shouldn't, besides I dont want you to leave for forever Laughing Man. How else would I be able to write pages and pages of spam? -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 17:17, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well obviously you wouldn't do it simply because you can't, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise. And I've got to admit, it's spectacular watching you implode. Too bad you can't erase all this and tell people to go away, eh? Anyway, time limit expired, you've once again failed, and nobody is surprised. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 20:07, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::"If you go there... I will go there ten fold..." yes, I will... you push the envelope, I will push it farther... simple as that... jeez... can't you understand a simple concept such as escalation; and as for 'burned-out shell of a person' yeah... like an online wiki argument would do that; I think you guys are projecting... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 06:04, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Whatever you say. Instead of saying weird shit how about stick to the game? Your group is shit and only you and Cisisero are even bothering to defend it. Making personal attacks is always a winner! Most of the people on the Urban Dead wiki now hate you guys more the The Dead which I didn't think was possible. Good work though! We didn't even have to do anything.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 19:11, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::"20:00, 6 April 2008 MartyBanks (Talk | contribs) (do not use my real name... I will not allow it...)" 'Pushing the envelop'? Truly a bastion of cowardness and stupidity if I ever saw it.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 09:12, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::: Oi! Whats with giving Marty all of the credit? I too have valiantly fled screaming at every chance I've been given, but you are yet to make a single image of me. Keep this up ladybitch, and you won't be getting any sugar tonight. [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 10:50, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::A lady...that's a bitch? [[User:Rudiger Jones|Rudiger Jones]] 09:13, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==April 2008 moved News items==<br />
Alive or Dead the DHPD is in the DMZ. You can kill our chars any way as much as you want...But the DHPD are in Dunell Hills now and forever. Admittedly The Dead are a larger Zombie Horde than the DHPD at this time, but we are there regardless. And Since all the Dead can do is ZK us in our current state, there is no way they can get rid of us. We'll be seeing you for a long time I'm sure.... [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:10, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:That's pretty sad and poor use of logic. So you're saying if I claimed a Suburb way back when and just happen to have 1 or 2 characters stick around then it's mine 'forever'? Your guys can't even stay alive in Dunell Hills for almost a full year. Almost a Year!<br />
:Your entire suburb is still spraypainted 'owned by the Dead' or 'owned by the Dead of Dunell Hills'. Even when you do rushed repair work which doesn't even take that much AP it gets utterly crushed. Urban Dead is a organic game and I at least recognize that fact. You're old and tired and the wiki is your only means of defense. I'm trying to take that pathetic outlook away from you so you can at least actually own a (different) suburb again.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 21:55, 3 April 2008 (BST) <br />
:I love you guys. I really do. I've never seen such backward logic used to ignore the fact that your group is so horribly totally useless. "Hay guys, we're all zombies but it's okay because we're still here! DHPD BFF!" And you probably will be seeing us for a while. We've been rocking out in the suburb for about five months now and you haven't been able to do anything about it. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 22:31, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Seriously, that's pathetic. This sort of thing brings nothing but more shame to your group, you should at least have the integrity to face the reality of the situation. The DHPD are completely unable to operate in Dunell Hills and this state of affairs will continue, regardless of whatever fantasy you care to weave on the Wiki. Sad. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 22:49, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::Classic signs of a dying group. The inability to change and 'changing the goalposts'. It's too bad you guys also suck at propaganda. You can't even muster up unique users other than the usual 1 or 2 on your own damn suburb page.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 23:01, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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hay guyz does this mean we still own shearbank {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 23:43, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:READ THIS AND UNDERSTAND: We live in Dunell Hills; dead or alive, it is where we come from, it is in our name, it is our blood, we'll be here until Kevan shuts down the servers or resets the game; So get over yourselves... few people from the DHPD give a crap about you, we're just here because we're the ones who actually maintain our group's presence on the wiki and are greatly disgusted by your hateful scrawls; Everyone else just plays without a care. The only reason you can take us out so quick is because while you sit in front of your computers all day masturbating to the screeches of both angry and horny furries, while many in the DHPD are actually out doing things that matter in life (school, work, raising children, etc...). For all your posturing all you have accomplished is defeating a group 1/10 your size on a stupid little browser based game. Feel Proud of That... I'm sure your parents will be when you tell them all you did today was eat, sleep, and get yourself a hate on. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 01:33, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::Oh Marty, you try so hard and fail so miserably. Do you ever stop and realize just how silly you sound? I especially like the part where you say we apparently take things too seriously not two sentences after you say DHPD is somehow in your blood. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 01:49, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Off topic I know, but are you like one of those pubbie fags that are always online? I mean we already established that I am one of those, so its ok for me to respond all fast, but you? I thought you were better than us roleplaying pubbie fags. I mean, you're ridiculously fast at replying, its like you watch this page all day... [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 01:56, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::'Dunell Hills is in the DHPD's blood' and finding this post in less than five minutes proves my point... you want to play all high and mighty in-game you have the numbers to do so... but we've all spent years building and organizing our little section of the wiki little bit by little bit... so if you think you're going to kick us off of it you have another thing coming... and no doubt this reply will be followed by more personal attacks and stupidity from you and your friends... by all means continue... show everyone what you are... eventually their fear of you will subside as they realize you wont stop until you've sucked the joy out of the entire game, wiki, whatever... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 02:03, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::God you are so easy to rile up. The best part is that you and Cis always leave the conversation when you're losing.<br />
::::::http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll79/buckomcgee/?albumview=link&special_track=nav_album_album Anyway here's some proof that you guys aren't even trying to take back your suburb. The ruined buildings haven't changed much for a long ass time. Maybe actually try in the game instead of wuss it up in the wiki.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 17:08, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Actually we're using a firefox extension that alerts us anytime you make a post. It's currently only available on the ultra super secret secure highly classified ultraviolet security site so you guys probably haven't found it yet. Keep trying, though. Maybe by the time you find it puberty will replace the DHPD flowing through your veins. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 02:26, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Oh really... wow... I... I can't describe how pathetic that is... I am laughing my ass off right now... Push all you want folks... you will reach a point where you can't continue anymore... what to do then? "oh what can we do? anymore bullying will get us banned oh no!?" you'll move on... because you need to insult people to make yourselves feel better about being forum trolls... I am loving this... you're frustration at trying to give comebacks to people more intelligent and far crueler in real life than you is like a fine wine to me... or should I say? fine whine? --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 02:36, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Nothing will EVER replace the DHPD flowing through my veins. Its there to stay! Forever and ever and ever. By the way, I hope you weren't referring to [http://z9.invisionfree.com/Vitiate/index.php? these] super secret forums. I would hate to happen to know any secrets. Talk to you later Dra.. er, Laughing Man... [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 02:40, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well shit, you found it. The super secret forum we've done our best to not advertise [http://z14.invisionfree.com/Brainstock/index.php?showtopic=8744&view=findpost&p=11434344 anywhere] or even invite pubbies to join. Guess we better pack it in. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 02:56, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::I was hoping you would realize that sooner rather than latter. Ill announce to everyone in the DHPD you guys are calling it quits. You Rock! High Five!. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 02:59, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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hay guyz i think this means we still own shearbank {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 03:36, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:[http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/320/excusemeav7.jpg xcuse me wtf r u doin] --[[User:Zambargh the Ravener|Zambargh the Ravener]] 17:31, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===DHPD thinks its in Dunell Hills???===<br />
Last time I checked, we've controlled this suburb for almost a year. Why does DHPD still have jurisdiction over their wiki? Why not The Dead(over 1000 members) or Dead of Dunell Hills?--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 23:24, 2 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:I suppose if you can confirm that all 100 squares are not occupied by DHPD, then you could remove them. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:28, 2 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::: Do you want screen shots or will C&P of descriptions work? --[[User:DCC|DCC]] 02:09, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Best be a screen shot. I'm not the one to make a decision here, but if you can provide some evidence here on the talk page the shows no DHPD presence at all then it should be removed (in my opinion, anyway). Normally groups remove themselves, or are removed due to activity, though. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:17, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Its awesome how I can shoot the plan down before it starts! [http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q218/Cisisero/UmThedeadaredumb.jpg Me Alive in Dunell Hills!] It seems moderately funny that in order to provide proof I have to be willing to get myself killed, but meh, whatever. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 02:42, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::It's even funnier that the spraypaint says "all dead, all dead..." Good work doing our work for us though. That's more evidence that you just rushed your ass and blew all your AP repairing one building.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 03:38, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like a plan.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 00:32, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::Its funny because im still in DH. Guess you cant prove anything. Ive got no problem leaving a permanent Dirt-Napping team in DH either if it makes you happy. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 00:29, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::One member of a dying group doesn't equate to a massive group. That's like handing a bank to an outside begger. Was it fun hunting for that revive?--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 00:32, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: It was!!!!!! I love talking to you, its so fun. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 00:38, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Ah yes, the old "lay down and die and hope they'll eventually stop picking on us" plan. Can't wait to see how spectacularly you fail at this too. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 01:15, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Ah yes, the old "Throw random bullshit out there because I cant think of anything good to say" trick. I for some reason expect better, and im constantly let down... :( [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 01:30, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Is english your second language? Any time you tried to come back, we've crushed you completely. You then run off stock up and repeat. Sadly this entire time your group has been losing unique IPs at a large rate. I know that the wiki is basically your only means of defense but you're not even trying here. You're just spewing junk about 'bullshit' or 'haha we sure fooled you'. Using 1 AP to repair a building and running off isn't a sign of strength when we still own your suburb.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 01:42, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Really? I didn't know the DHPD wasn't in DH. Doesn't seem fair for them to have any variety of official care or control over it then. Pray tell, Scooby, someone, are they claiming they have a significant presence in Dunnel Hills? If so, I think they're quite wrong. I passed through there not long back and it was QUITE dead. I'll watch this issue with interest, lemme tell you. Gonna head over there now, just for fun. [[User:Jerith|Jerith]] 03:28, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::I'd say there's most likely a few of them laying on the ground or waiting at some revive point or another but I'm not going to bother wading through corpses looking for them. After all, it took them several days to repair most of the suburb and several hours for us to wreck it all again. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 03:54, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::It is? When was the last time you were able to check our IP's? I think its funny how you act like you know everything that goes on. It kinda like that whole teenage "I know everything and you dont" phase of ones life. Dont worry, you'll grow up soon. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 01:46, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::There's something genuinely delightful about a "Grow up" comment coming from the self-professed "Commissioner General of the DHPD". Priceless. <br />
:::::::Now then, for the grown-ups; Dunell Hills certainly should not be under the jurisdiction of the DHPD, it's ours, it's been ours for a long time and will continue to be ours until we tire of it. Perhaps a third-party that's a little more emotionally removed than dear old Cisisero here can come and show some common sense, however they may feel about The Dead. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 12:41, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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you guys do know that more then one group can in fact be in the same suburb at once right? as long as both groups are in the suburb the names stay, you cant remove a group name from the suburb just because they're dead.--{{User:Blood Panther/Sig}} 06:42, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
: I realise that Dunell Hills has traditionally been their suburb, it is no longer. The Wiki should reflect the truth, not the ego of a dying group. They're a survivor group that is utterly unable to operate within Dunell Hills and as such, has no right to have their group name in the suburb. All of their protests are based on nothing more than hurt pride, the facts are certainly on our side. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 09:53, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:: You're... not getting it are you? Putting your group link down on a suburb page, as far as I know, means that said group has committed themselves to operating, in some way, in that suburb. Yes we're not there all the time, how can we be when a group that has risen to over 1500 decides to make it their sole mission to keep the suburb ruined? But I'm sure you've noticed us dropping into the suburb on a fairly regular basis to say hi and cade up the only NT (again.. and again.. and again). You must have, cos otherwise your 'goon high command' script wouldn't have recently been telling all nearby Goons in the NW to attack Dunell Hills again and clear it out. Again. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 11:43, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::So in your own words, DHPD's presence and influence in Dunell Hills is nothing more than wishful thinking and occasional forays to rebuild a building or two. By that criteria, every single group should have its name on every single suburb - it's only fair after all that everyone should have a level playing field. Please be serious.<br />
::: Another section that needs serious trimming is the category Dunell Hills Police Department (http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category:Dunell_Hills_Police_Department). There are 194 articles in there and 99% of them have absolutely nothing to do with the DHPD, other than a DHPD member may or may not have once been inside the building listed. A group with 85 members must spread itself mighty thin to provide services in 194 locations, even if every single one of them was alive. Please remove your category spam from all over the wiki. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 12:14, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'm not sure where you get the idea that we're somehow focused only on you. You've been the whiniest little bitches I've ever seen but screaming louder does not make you more important. Maybe you missed the part where the small group from the horde that smashed the suburb had been a piece of the larger group that took out Stickling and Caiger before moving further west. Maybe you missed the part where half our number were on the east side of the city. Or maybe you simply refuse to admit to yourselves that we don't really care about you pissants because it would destroy the reality you've created to make yourselves think you actually matter. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 14:31, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
This is a third party observation... from someone who was in the general area recently as part of a group op... and who has moved alts through the area on many, many occasions in the past... The Dead have pwned Dunell Hills, pretty much, yup... but the DHPD-in-exile (which might be an accurate label) are still around, and still active -- even if it's in a greatly reduced, sometimes almost non-existant capacity -- in the area. I've been in the region, I've seen them, we did revives and heals and repaired and barricaded with them... Were we all booted bak out? Yup... eventually... but it's an interesting contradiction -- the Dead talk about how survivors need to learn to run away and not suicidally hold the line against overwhelming odds... yet, when someone does exactly that... they disparage them... Hmmmmmmmmnnn... <br />
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And... the Dead often leave town themselves, leaving Dumbbell Hills a Ghost Town... But do we want to delete them at that point? Nooooooo... The RRF are not always active in all of Greater Ridleybank... Hell, Barhaville is often Yellow even Green for long periods of time! But I still see the RRF listed in Barrville... <br />
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Franky... though... I think you're ALL assclowns who need to get over yourselves. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:36, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
: So to summarise - Hey guys, stop picking on the poor old DHPD. Sure they can't control the suburb, can't rebuild the suburb and aren't actually in the suburb, but they used to be there for a really long time. Excellent. The Dead may occasionally leave DH (there's not much to do to be honest, what with everything being ruined and everyone being dead) but they certainly don't lose control. The wiki should be changed to reflect the reality of the situation. Also, as an impartial third-party, what's your opinion on the massive "Dunell Hills Police Department" "DHPD" "DMZ" category spam all over the wiki and why the hell wasn't it taken care of before we arrived? Oh yeah, it's the poor old DHPD so they get a free pass, I'm so forgetful. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 12:55, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::You didn't even ''address'' what I said... By your logic, the RRF should have been taken off the list in Barhahville when it was green/yellow for extended periods. An absurd conclusion. As for the wiki spam... instead of trolling the Talk pages, why not be an active user and start deleting this spam? See, the wiki is huge, and a lot of stuff doesn't get dealt with... It's up to YOU as a user who notices it to deal with it... The wiki is a collective project, see. But... instead, it looks like you'd all rather sit there and scream about being VICTIMS of a corrupt system... rather than doing what every single user can and should do, and try to actually FIX it... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:08, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::: Seems like sound enough logic to me, hell yes take the RRF off the list in Barhahville if they can't hold it for extended periods, put them back on when they can, simple. I don't imagine they'd argue with that. As for deleting the spam, well now that's a very good idea. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 13:19, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Well... holding something vs. having a presence are different. I can think of some small zombie groups who can't really hold anything much more than taking out a few buildings here and there -- but who are listed on the suburbs pages, because they ''are'' there. Same with all the one-man-army survivor groups... The latter are especially lame, IMNSH opinion... But I'm not going to begrudge them their little icon in the groups sidebar, even if I think they're kinda pathetic. And, the Dumbbell Hils PD ''does'' have a presence in the area... whether they hold stuff or not... and they are not all dead, either... well not always... Now... I notice you're removing all the DHPD spam off the locations pages. Thank you and good on you!! And... if the arguments are valid (and I think they probably are, because those categories IMO violate NPOV and are basically just propaganda... you have my support if any of the sysops, or the Dumbbells, take issue with you. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:35, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===April 1st===<br />
:Told by the DHPD, you mean. Everyone who's remotely sensible is thinking that you can't really "stall" The Dead. But hey yeah keep up the dying horribly thing, it's hilarious. {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 21:50, 1 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::We'll see. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 21:54, 1 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Planning on bringing back the desk sgts.? That's not really something to brag about, you know. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 23:22, 1 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Way to pull something out of your ass that has no relevance to anything. Good one. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 08:54, 2 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::seriously though why even bother trying to be the dhpd because you're never going to be able to stay in dunell hills when you're alive and you're all morons anyway {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 09:55, 2 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Ah yes, the DHPD motto. "We're awesome and have never done anything wrong like spend $250 on zerg accounts lalalalala fingers in my ears can't hear you." Also, we just fucked your suburb in the ass yet again. Maybe UD just isn't the game for you. Have you looked into tiddlywinks? --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 14:01, 2 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Because we can, and because its so funny to watch you all turn ito what you claim to hate when you find out we are back in Dunell Hills. Its a riot, actually. Hope you're not planning on us quiting anytime soon :D. Maybe its time for y'all to create even ''more'' zergs! [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 00:32, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Which Cisisero is saying that? [http://profiles.urbandead.info/index.php?name=cisisero* Cisisero111?]--[[User:DCC|DCC]] 02:49, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Just pack it in Cisiero. You've got nothing but lies left. No wonder this group's a joke.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 17:41, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::For a group that's actually been caught cheating and got bitchslapped by the hand of Kevan for it, you're pretty liberal with the zerg accusations. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 01:28, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::For a group that encourages its members to use proxies, does nothing to reprimand its members on the fact and then continues to claim its super awesomeness, you're pretty liberal with the zerg accusations. I hope Kevan does a proxy ban sometime soon. It will be awesome to watch the dead drop from 1500 to 45 or so. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 01:39, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::You keep clinging to this pathetic belief in some desperate hope that it becomes reality. Sadly, that just isn't going to happen. Sure you'll scream and cry about how unfair it is but at the end of the day you'll still be a useless retard.<br />
:::::::::I'd say you've fagged up this page enough with your stupidity. If you'd like, we'll make a spot for you on our talk page where you can come and rant all you want. Hell, you can even bring Marty Banks along too. It's always funny watching him try to sit at the adults' table. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 01:58, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Nah, im good. Thanks for the offer though. Im sure we'll wind up doing this again somewhere else anyway. You guys get a little bit too upset the second any DHPD member makes an edit anywhere. -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 02:05, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::Can't say I'm too surprised. You've never struck me as the type willing to take responsibility for your actions. But that's okay. You keep on dreaming that we'll go away and we'll keep on using a mere fraction of our force to subjugate the suburb and keep you out or dead. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 02:34, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Why are you the only DHPDer on this page? OFFICER DOWN ! CALL FOR BACK UP !! Oh wait - they are all fucking dead! or hiding. <br />
::::I love logging in and seeing another DHPD name crossed off on my contacts list or with a new group entirely.Cis - GIVE IT UP.--[[User:DCC|DCC]] 02:08, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::No thanks. :) I can play the same game all day long. It makes no difference [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 02:11, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::Look how they dance like puppets am i right --[[User:Zambargh the Ravener|Zambargh the Ravener]] 05:19, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Where did the links go?==<br />
They went away because there is already a DHPD link in the survivor list on the page. After looking through the other suburb pages, I noticed there are not any other suburbs with specific groups listed in the Categories section. In an effort to not play favorites it seems simpler just to remove all extraneous listings. --[[User:John Fraker|John Fraker]] 20:31, 9 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:However Over two years ago there was a lovely situation where the Sysops at the time determined that it was ok that they remained since it didn't do any harm. I do believe it was also handled in an Arbitration ruling but I've slept since then. BTW Part of the discussion dealt with the fact that any other group could do the same if they wanted to go to the trouble of doing it...its just the fact that the DHPD was one of the few groups to take advantage of it. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 03:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I like the way you say you can barely manage to do anything yet as soon as something involving your group happens you are quick with the mod powers. And somehow I doubt if I started adding The Dead to suburb categories it would last past as long as it takes you to hit undo. I suppose it really does not matter, does it? In the end we will still have your suburb in our pocket and you will still be a group of talentless scrubs. --[[User:John Fraker|John Fraker]] 06:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Conn, that's absured. The Group Categories should only go on group owned pages, otherwise it's simply misleading and clutter.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I'm actually inclined to agree with Karek here, it does clutter it up. Dunell Hills Police Department ''is'' already in the Groups section of the page. --[[User:JSaysNo|JSaysNo]] 15:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==DHPD Presence==<br />
Despite the conditions of the DMZ..There are members of the DHPD present in each and every suburb. Many of them zombies and/or dead, agreed, but there none the less. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:you guys rock high fives lmao [[User:Juan carlos|Juan carlos]] 07:14, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Generally Survivors mean actually 'surviving'. If DHPD is on the move then whatever suburb they decide to move to should be updated. Otherwise it's unreliable information. If you decide to stay in Dunell Hills, having bodies or zombies in the suburb generally means you are now a 'Zombie Group'. You should be treated as such and should not be considered a Survivor nor Hostile Group. Keep the information accurate and up to date. --[[User:Gengen|Gengen]] 08:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Thats where you are wrong. There have been numerous Pro-Survivor Groups in the games history that have been composed '''entirely''' of Zombies. One of which is a component of the DHPD and has been for a long time. If enough changes take place to where the DHPD in Dunell proper can get revived then they will be... until then. They are there, and since the majority of the DHPD is in fact alive... that means they aren't a Zombie Group. So... [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Again you are being forcefully disingenuous. Pro-Survivor is short for 'Professional Survivor Group'. It does not mean in favor of surviving. You're trying to use terminology to press your point which is quite invalid. I also don't appreciate you using an Appeal to Tradition fallacy on a board that's supposed to be logically based. If the majority of the DHPD is 'alive' then where is their home? Obviously not Dunell Hills last time I checked. I don't mean to be rude but at least you could use this time to Roleplay something interesting like how zombies are actually becoming dangerous in a zombie simulation game. However saying you're a professional survivor group living in Dunell Hills is just simply not true and goes against the ideals of wiki neutrality. You're squatting the suburb.--[[User:Gengen|Gengen]] 20:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::[[UDWiki talk:Administration/Vandal Banning/Archive/2007 09#Saromu|A similar issue has come up before]]. Basically, a consensus was reached in that groups are free to add themselves as long as they are there, and they're current state should have no bearing on their addition to a suburb page. I feel a different interpretation is needed. Having a Pro Survivor group does not necessarily entail that the majority of one's members are alive. It is not unheard of that [[Life Cultist|zombies would support a human cause]], nor that [[Death Cultist|humans would support a zombie cause]]. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 22:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Friendly zombies? You are also using a Appeal to Tradition fallacy like Conndraka. Again if thats the case then the DHPD is considered a Zombie Group not a Pro Survivor Group. They may want to help humans as much as anyone else but they are dead, i.e not 'surviving'. If they have members alive then they should update their new suburb 'home'. They're free to retake their home at anytime but until then please keep this neutral and update the wiki accordingly. This is a game of wandering and surviving in the wastelands in a zombie apocalypse world. It is not Real Estate 2000.--[[User:Gengen|Gengen]] 08:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I think what they're trying to say is that the wiki is an organization and as such they have rules and regulations that they have developed over the course of having been an organization. These rules and regulations supercede any point of order or discussion in a debate sense of the word. If you want to change the policy put up a proposal to do so but debate jargon doesn't really apply here as organizational structure is more important. During your new policy propsal discussion would be the proper place to attack the bases of arguements in the form of a debate.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 12:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::There isn't a debate if they're unable to back up their side of the argument. They have failed to make a strong argument and frankly it supersedes any structure or organization logical fallacy you believe to be true. It goes against the wiki official 'neutrality' stance. They've been able to do it because this is just a silly browser game and realistically no one cares. I am writing this to simply reveal their hypocrisy that is blatantly apparent. I see no reason to continue further.--[[User:Gengen|Gengen]] 18:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::... but you will. For all your posturing of being so much cooler than everyone else on the wiki, you're down and dirty and playin' with pubbies... cuz you're one of us, perhaps??? Anyway.... Pro-survivor does not mean "professional" ... no one gets paid for being a survivor ... It's pro- as in opposite of anti- , dig? Meanwhile, the DHPD can name themselves any bloody thing they want. Period. However, as a ''survivor group'' I am actually inclined to agree that if they don't have a genuine ''survivor'' presence in DH, and haven't for a while, they shouldn't be listed among survivor groups in the burb. That they have "Dunell Hills" in their name is irrelevant to their actual ''presence''... That being said... I think you're '''all''' a bunch of fucking pathetic wankers, SA Goons, DHPD... As they say, birds of a feather flock together -- in Dunell Hills. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 18:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: How astoundingly clever, you took a worthless cliche and turned it into an awkward topical reference, good show [[User:Juan carlos|Juan carlos]] 07:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::: Just to set the record straight "Pro-Survivor Groups" is not short for "Professional Survivor Groups". The term "Pro" was meant to indicate groups who support the survivor cause against the common zombie agenda (i.e. killing all survivors). Before anyone disagrees with me realize this: I wrote the header. I'm all about organization so I created the headers under which all the groups are currently sorted. I admit, when you factor this with the "Zombie Groups" header it is a bit misleading as it would imply that it should instead read as "Pro-Zombie Groups", but at the time I had mentally grouped death cultists under "Hostile Groups". Of course death cults like the Gore Corps might be more suited to being grouped with the zombie group(s) they support (namely the RRF) under a Pro-Zombie header. At the very least it would clear-up any confusion about why certain groups can remain listed under the Pro-Survivor header. --[[User:Mobius187|Mobius187]] 14:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Other Stuff==<br />
I moved some of the information regarding the DHAGS to their page, where it seemed like it belonged more. If this was out of line, let me know. --[[User:FingFangFoom|FingFangFoom]] 21:27, 2 March 2006 (GMT)<br />
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"Finding a HAM radio and a box of defective badges"... shouldn't that be *detective* badges? [[User:Vetriano|Vetriano]] 14:48, 14 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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:No actually they are defective... They Have Dunell spelled with two "N"s [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]] 17:57, 14 April 2006 (BST)<br />
'''Update warning level'''<br />
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I think that the suburb color needs to be changed. Its not really that threatening of a place. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 23:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Done.Down to Moderate. --[[User:The Surgeon General|The Surgeon General]]<sup>[[Dunell Hills Police Department|DHPD]]|[[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]]</sup> 00:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Phone Mast status report==<br />
If you time, can we get you to update http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Mobile_Phone_Mast#Locations with the current status of your local phone mast? Thanks. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 20:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:: Zombies don't need cell phones and we really don't want to try to pick our 5 BFFs for our Fave Five plan. It's just too hard to pick 5 out of the 700 that roam freely near Dunell Hills. If you want to send in a few technicians to check the status that would be lovely. Make sure they use BBQ flavored shampoo, too. Mmmmm Kansas City Style --[[User:DCC|DCC]] 20:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: Hey DCC, I think the problem is that when you guys sacked my office you didn't realize I had messages from like ''years'' ago. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: Reading is hard for me. Besides, I wanted to get in Return of the Living Dead reference! --[[User:DCC|DCC]] 22:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Dunell Hills history==<br />
Contrary to popular belief this is not your group page do not continue to revert my edits<br />
:You have yet to make a contribution to this page which [[User:A Helpful Little Gnome|A Helpful Little Gnome]], [[User:Seventythree|Seventythree]], nor myself, would consider news. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 03:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Well, I have. So sit on it. EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY --[[User:Katthew|Katthew]] 03:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::And I see no reason to remove it. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 03:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::I have dunnel hills in my group page patients does too its cool &ndash; [[User:Nubis|Nubis]] 03:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::Yeah, all righty then. Just so there isn't any confusion, that was sarcasm. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 03:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::Man you guys are a bunch of faggots, good thing your entire DMZ is paying for it in blood. --[[User:Zambargh the Ravener|Zambargh the Ravener]] 18:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Pro-Survivor Groups ==<br />
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As far as I know, there are no survivor groups in Dunell Hills, so why are they still listed? --[[User:Cymoro|Cymoro]] 00:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Adding latest quotes from the group pages of [[5punk]] and [[COMBAT REVIVE (Group)|COMBAT REVIVE]]:<br />
::"January 08: Many 5punk members awaken from hibernation and instinctively shuffle back towards The Waugh Arms to see how she has coped in our absence."<br />
:[[The Waugh Arms]] is in Chudleyton.<br />
::"To this end we are in the process of opening new Revive Points for Rotters. To provide maximum service we have chosen The Blackmore Building as it is in the epicenter of the undead. Please wait patiently, no biting, and NO BARRICADING. Also, do not mess with the generators, they are there for everyones benefit. Thank you for your cooperation."<br />
:[[The Blackmore Building]] is in Ridleybank. Because of them not being centered or even having influence in Dunell Hills, I am going to remove them from the survivor listing. --[[User:Cymoro|Cymoro]] 00:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Due to the length of inactivity, I am apt to agree. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 01:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:COMBAT REVIVE has long been inactive in this area, you guys should hop to that one. I won't cause I don't care.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Events==<br />
===May 2===<br />
A few survivors have volunteered their lives and AP to keep the ever vigilant Zombies of Dunnell Hills entertained and fed.<br />
Sadly, none brought ketchup.--[[User:DoohickeyBones|DoohickeyBones]] 19:58, 2 May 2008 (BST)<br />
===Apr 29===<br />
Breaking News! Zephyr Hospital and Broadbelt PD were brought to HEB status today!<br />
Even More Breaking News! Zephyr hospital is now OPEN and the local citizens are currently dining on the brave yet foolish DHPD inside before wandering over to correct the Building Code Violation at the PD. SEND BACKUP!!! (with ketchup, please)--[[User:DoohickeyBones|DoohickeyBones]] 03:35, 30 April 2008 (BST)<br />
===Apr 25===<br />
The area is still firmly under the control of The Dead. I just completed a building search, and am on my next pass now.<br />
Along the way today, I ran across [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1233520|this guy]. Rejoice, for even though he erred in his initial character selection, I was able to correct his mistake. He can now play the game as a zombie. I am SUCH a giver!--[[User:DoohickeyBones|DoohickeyBones]] 15:21, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
===Apr 16===<br />
On the 14th, 'COMBAT REVIVE' managed to get in and CR the zombies at Dury and a few neighboring buildings. Reportedly, they also brought the cades to EHB. By the time I woke up, jumped out of a window, and wandered over, the cades were gone, and the NT building was...ruined (Shocking, I know).<br />
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I suspect this was the 'Big Uber Tactical Surprise' they were lining up for. Too bad they didn't bother to show up for their own party.<br />
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This morning, I walked my rotting carcass around and into each PD and hospital...no signs of life whatsoever.<br />
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We must remain ever vigilant that survivors don't ninja their way in to DH and spend 20 or so AP on each of us, so that we have to spend 4 AP to die and stand up again. If they keep those elite tactics up, I'm ''just not sure'' how long we can hold out!<br />
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A request to the CR peeps: Please barricade a few more buildings. It gives us something to do while hanging around to welcome survivors.--[[User:DoohickeyBones|DoohickeyBones]] 16:39, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unfortunately that was [[COMBAT REVIVE|our]] goodbye orgy<sub>(for the suburb)</sub>, you'll note that that kind of thing very much isn't our normal way of doing things, we fully expected it to be ruined and but thought it would be a bit unfair for us to leave without giving you poor zombies something to do and someone to eat before going. With our reason for being here having itself stopped being there a few days ago we felt we'd overstayed our welcome a bit.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:55, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Apr 11===<br />
There is a horde of forty-five other zombies here. <br />
You recognize Marty Banks and Cisisero amongst them.<br />
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I can only imagine just how long these fellas stayed as corpses trying to plan for yet another pointless run on Dunell Hills. Seriously guys give it up. Go after '''Butt'''onville--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 19:19, 11 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:To be fair, they seem to have actually tried this time. They even brought some friends along, too. It's too bad I could see through their plans and knew what they were going to do before even they did. --{{User:Laughing Man/Sig}} 20:05, 11 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Wait, I thought DHPD was a survivor group? Aren't they supposed to be, ya know, alive or something?<br />
:They should probably go find a Revive Point to Mrh? in or something.--[[User:DoohickeyBones|DoohickeyBones]] 20:11, 11 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::Remember to wear a dress on BBQ Nights every Thursday and Saturday. --[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 21:56, 11 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Mar 3===<br />
Edited from:<br />
''The last few days have seen a dramatic decrease in zombie presence, almost as if they have gotten bored defending the same dead suburb for almost four months and have found something better to do. At the same time survivors make slow progress in reclaiming buildings, focusing primarily on schools and railway stations. With the zombie overlords finally allowing them back it will only be a matter of time before the suburb is repopulated. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 16:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)''<br />
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== Moved From [[Talk:Suburb]]==<br />
== [[Dunell Hills]] talk ==<br />
:The DHPD launched a highly coordinated offensive against the standing zeds of Dunell Hills. A few resource buildings are still in zed hands, namely the Dury building with 5 zeds inside. However over 2/3's of the suburbs buildings are barricaded and many officers have yet to die in the week since we launched the attack. Not much in the way of an organized horde. Downgrading to Dangerous. -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 22:42, 2 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I would be hesitant on trusting this report or downgrading any perceived danger level. From my brief tour just a few minutes ago I saw maybe half of the suburb at most is repaired and most of those buildings are barely barricaded if not wide open. Once the zombie presence actually cares enough to notice things will change real quick. Please stop lying to people just so you can be a hero. --[[User:John Fraker|John Fraker]] 23:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC) <br />
:::Regardless, the downgrade has been scrutinized, and accepted. With proof. -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 09:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::proof doesnt mean word of mouth, post screenshots for proof --[[User:Cymoro|Cymoro]] 16:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::You can post screenshots, you're apparently in the area ;) Notice how none of you bother with that? -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 17:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::Notice how you didn't either? You're the one who changed the danger level you're the one who provides the proof. Asking otherwise is illogical and outright stupid.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 18:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Stop vandalizing the wiki Cisisero. You are the one lobbying for a status change against several other eyewitnesses who say half the suburb is ruined. You have the burden of proof by showing a few screenshots. Otherwise, stop vandalizing the wiki to prove whatever sad little point you're trying to prove by shading the grid in a different color. [[User:Addison Strack|Addison Strack]] 18:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
Wow. All of your asshatery knows no bounds apparently. How many other groups do you scrutinize like this? Im sorry, we must be that incompetent, good thing we dont do anything else like try to hold forts or malls or something. Here are screens I was able to have captured view: [http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q218/Cisisero/3.jpg Here], <br />
[http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q218/Cisisero/1.jpg and Here].<br />
As for the fact that you cannot see all the barricade levels on every single building in survivor hands I am sorry. Let me list them for you:<br />
* St. Justin's Hospital - HB<br />
* Newten Cinema - EHB<br />
* the Stone Motel - VSB<br />
* the Hatson Building - HB<br />
* the Mashman Building - QSB<br />
* Newbury Library - EHB<br />
* Dewfall Plaza Railway Station - HB<br />
* a factory - HB<br />
* Brendan General Hospital - EHB<br />
* Club Meade - QSB<br />
* the Fortune Building - HB <br />
* Eckersley Cinema - HB<br />
* Broadbelt Grove Police Department - HB<br />
* Yea Drive Police Department - VSB<br />
* Lolley Library - LB<br />
* Lucius General Hospital - LB<br />
There's not to much more I am going to be able to offer in the way of "proof" -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 22:03, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::It's cute that you had to be dragged out to show proof of your edit and then you act as if it's somehow 'bad' to have evidence. I guess I was mistaken in holding DHPD to higher standards.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 22:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Have fun kitten pilling with all your friends! Im so glad you finally accept us. :* -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 22:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::What the hell are you talking about? 'Kitten pilling'? What does that have to do with Suburb Safety? You obviously don't know how to respond with intelligence nor integrity.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 22:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Nothing Scooby, im not talking about anything at all. All I was saying is that Its nice to know we finally made believers out of everyone! Its as my friend always says, keep trying for that rainbow and one day you'll make it! As for now, DH is a safer place. That can be changed. Im not denying it. -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 22:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Your suburb is owned and your childish attempts of retaking it have failed. Your mindless gibberish is wasted on deaf ears. Are you high? --[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 19:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC) <br />
::::::Practically all of those buildings are either wide open or ruined, but feel free to keep deluding yourself. --[[User:Sykic|Sykic]] 23:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::lol cisisero have fun eating our leftovers you sack of shit [[User:Juan carlos|Juan carlos]] 00:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::Hell, while I'm here I might as well throw [http://xs125.xs.to/xs125/08102/denialhills920.jpg this] out. The horrible compression was a mistake on my part, but it gets the point across (or at least it should, I won't hold my breath).<br />
:::::::that map is highly inaccurate, the Hatson Building, Dewfall Plaza Railway Station and Lolley Library are all ruined. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 19:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::It's 8 hours old, that's my excuse. Also in before someone signs my post for me because they have nothing else better to do. --[[User:Sykic|Sykic]] 20:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
Its hard to find a building that isn't ruined. Also Cisisero, thanks for letting your guy stand there while mine kept hitting him.--[[User:Tom Flesheater|Tom Flesheater]] 00:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:What do you expect from a One Trick Pony? DHPD's level of cognitive dissonance is appalling. You guys should try getting a job at FOX News.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 03:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
I've been out of the area for a bit, but if the DHPD made significant in-roads into Dunnell Hills, there's no sign at all of them now. Suburb looks no different than my last report a week ago - a undead-filled wasteland, devoid of any sign of life. --[[User:Tempest56|Tempest56]] 22:05 GMT, 8 March 2008<br />
:That seems to be SOP for the DHPD. Of course, any day they don't wake up dead must be a good one for them. So now they'll repair a building and spin it to make it seem like a brilliant victory and we'll laugh at them before killing them again. And in this way the cycle of hilarity continues. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 23:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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So is the consensus that it's a very dangerous place to be right now?--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:yep--[[User:Cymoro|Cymoro]] 10:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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So when is the DHPD going to make another heroic attempt to retake the suburb they're named after? My zombie is getting hungry.--[[User:Tom Flesheater|Tom Flesheater]] 04:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If you're that hungry and lazy go to the Stone Motel [0-37]. That's where I'm camped out. Low Rates and free HBO. --[[User:JSaysNo|JSaysNo]] 22:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, it's funny watching losers get a kick out of 'proving people wrong'. Specially when they're SA Goons who get a kick out of ruining people's fun and would for the most part be happiest if everyone stopped logging into Urban Dead out of 'fear' of them. (snerk). And it's ESPECIALLY funny when a moderator of the UDWiki backs their side. ;) [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 19:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Proper sentence structure is your friend you illiterate chimp. I thought schools were good in the UK but you're a good example of the contrary. Does it make you feel bad that you're part of the biggest joke of a group in UrbanDead? It's been almost a year and we still own your suburb. Funny how you still own the wiki page for no apparent reason though. That's class!--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 23:20, 2 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Oh wow, you actually just resorted to insulting my grammar. What a complete fucking faggot. Is that what you fall back on when you honestly can't think of anything more clever to say? It came out like that because I was typing fast, believe it or not some of us left school a long while ago and have better things to do than troll the UD wiki all day long, trying to offend the half dozen or so members of the DHPD that can actually be arsed to come over here when the wiki is largely populated by pre-pubescent, whiny faggots that spend all day on their computer looking at midget porn and arguing with other people because 'owning a suburb' in some low tech browser game actually, my god, gives their life VALIDATION. GET A FUCKING LIFE. You guys are laughing cos we take it 'too seriously', and yet here you are, dedicating time to arguing over something as pathetic as whether a link on the UDwiki is supposed to be there. You've coded Firefox extensions, you've divided yourselves into sub-groups and given yourselves cute little apocalypse names and set up a 'Goon High Command'. I find people that argue on the internet like it somehow proves them to be manly and powerful an endless source of amusement. ;) [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 10:57, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::We really need to start keeping a record of every time you geniuses meltdown. This is some funny shit. And thanks for the $10 just so you can see what we're doing. Perhaps you could let us know your username so we can start a wall of retards. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 15:17, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::I know right? I like her complete 180 with 'ME TOO BUZI ME SCHOOL SMERT' to 'BY THE WAY I'VE JOIND SA AND NOEW READ YOUR THREAD 24/7'. It's hilarious how easy it is to force them reveal themselves as the fruitcakes they are. Nice that the UK goofball let us know there's only 6 active members in the DHPD left too.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 19:17, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Hehe, we don't have to pay $10 dumbass. Plenty of people in the DHPD have SA accounts from long before the fee was introduced. And I was trying to say that you only see half a dozen DHPD here cos no one actually gives two craps about the lame little wiki or suburb pages or group links or whatever the fuck. At last count we had 49 active members on our forum, plus a few others here and there. Yeah it's not as many as it used to be but meh, UD is well past its maturation stage in into decline. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 09:35, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::I've noticed everyone who's bought an account to spy on us always says the same thing. "Durrr, we already had this account before now." Yet somehow they never seem to want to prove it. Hell, just a post in the thread would be enough but I doubt we'll see even that. Too bad there's no toxx clause here, but I doubt Conndraka would let his little butthurt friends get banned anyway. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 14:38, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Police Department buildings in Dunell Hills make wonderful zombie homes -[[User:Killbottom|Killbottom]]<br />
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::I hear PDs in Hawaii are also lovely this time of year... [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 13:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Broadbelt Grove PD, while ruined, has secured doors. I would open them to check it out but I'm level 1.--[[User:SALurker|SALurker]] 17:06, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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== 1 Year ==<br />
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Wow, [[Dunell_Hills/News_Archive#November_14th| one year ago]] a group (1,500) of crazy kids and their big dreams moved into DH with the hope to shake things up and make a name for themselves. Happy Anniversary of the Dead first conquering DH/DMZ. GG NM!--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 15:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Yea....My ass still hasn't recovered. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 00:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::a year already? happy anniversary! [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 00:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== History ==<br />
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A brief history of Dunnel Hills can be found [[History of Dunell Hills| here.]]--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 19:48, 8 October 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010==<br />
{{GSM2010suburb<br />
|suburb=Dunell Hills<br />
|sigposter={{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 07:27, 27 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
|sigcontact={{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}}<br />
|sigcleared=--{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 09:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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|g1=Dunell Hills Police Department<br />
|c1=26 January 2010<br />
|d1=Confirmed<br />
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|g2=Hard Knock Life<br />
|c2=27 January 2010<br />
|d2=Confirmed<br />
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== GSGM 2011 ==<br />
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==Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011==<br />
{{GSM2011suburb<br />
|suburb=Dunell Hills<br />
|sigposter={{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 13:45, 23 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
|sigcontact={{User:Giles Sednik/sig}}<br />
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|g1=Dunell Hills Liberation Army<br />
|c1=23 January<br />
|d1=Removed<br />
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|g2=DHPD<br />
|c2=22 January<br />
|d2=Confirmed<br />
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|g3=Hard Knock Life<br />
|c3=23 January<br />
|d3=Removed<br />
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|g4=The Dead 2.0<br />
|c4=23 January<br />
|d4=Confirmed<br />
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|g5=U.B.C.S<br />
|c5=21 January<br />
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-Yeah, The Dead are still very active in DH, as well as the whole DMZ, as we stated on our group page. -[[User:Beans McCoy|Beans McCoy]] 00:43, 2 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for your reply here and on your group page, I've updated this list accordingly and you will be kept on the suburb listing.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 18:39, 4 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
Thank you to everyone who helped. The great suburb group massacre has finished and as a result [[Dunell Hills Liberation Army]], [[Hard Knock Life]] and [[U.B.C.S]] have been removed from the suburb group listing.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 14:47, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== DHPD Removal from Groups Active in Dunell Hills ==<br />
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The main body of the DHPD are not, for obvious reasons (i.e. we can calculate odds and work out that taking on an opponent 10 times as large as we are is not only stupidity bordering on the suicidal but also basically ''not fun''), operating in Dunell Hills on a regular basis at the moment. We continue to consider the suburb our home base, have a few officers still in the area doing basic scouting and helping where they can, and will resume regular operations there once it isn't clearly mind-numbingly stupid to do so. <br />
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The Dead clearly feel very strongly that this wiki is terribly compromised if the DHPD are listed as active in Dunell Hills whenever fewer than a dozen officers are present in the suburb. We are not really all that fussed exactly which group is listed on which wiki template. This being the case we are not going to get into an edit war over whether we should be listed as active in the surburb or not. Really, if this is so desperately important to the Dead, then we are happy for them to trumpet the fact that with 1500 zombies at their command they managed to keep fewer than 100 survivors out of a single suburb on the map for a couple of months. {{User:Louise/PCatSig}} 16:50, 9 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:3 years. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Sykic]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 17:11, 9 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:[[Image:abloobloobloo.gif]]--{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 08:07, 20 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:Correction: We are keeping several thousand survivors out of several dozen suburbs for a few months. You guys we keep out with an uncoordinated group of zombies that are mostly too lazy to go to the current feeding grounds. Hate to make you feel less important but DH has been a side project at best since the March started. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 22:20, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Removal of DHPD Listing from Active Groups: A Clarification ==<br />
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It appears our previous statement was open to misinterpretation. For the record we do not, in any way, shape or form, agree that we are not a group active in Dunell Hills. However we do not consider this wiki template worth the grief involved in an edit war. {{User:Louise/PCatSig}} 21:49, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
: so your saying you are active?--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 22:22, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::Yep, we're still active. [[User:Cyrus Hanley|Cyrus Hanley]] 02:54, 1 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::I just want to be 100%. You guys are saying you are actively doing stuff, as a coordinated group, in dunell hills. Not just that your group is still active or that you might have various random members in the area? Because that's what that template is there to represent, that you have a visible presence in the suburb. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:18, 1 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Hi Karek. Thanks for taking the time to drop in to clarify. We do consider ourselves to be active in the suburb and to have a coordinated presence. While realise that our not being listed on the template may not be inline with the actual intent behind group listings, but we are not willing to enter into a petty argument with over this. While we do not agree with the edit in question, we are not seeking to change it at this time. Nor will we seek to engage in a debate as to whether we are active or coordinated - it would seem that the dead have much more time on their hands than we are willing to put into such a discussion. [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 05:41, 1 June 2011 (BST)<br />
If you don't care then why did you edit it in the first place? And then keep editing it? And then post all this? Maybe you should stop caring about how much you don't care~ --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Vasari]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 04:08, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:I'm flattered that you care about my caring about not caring - you're showing yourself to be a sensitive, postmodern goon. The editwar in question did not involve the DHPD - an officer made the original edit, but the back and forth that then occurred did not involve us. Not that I care whether you care about whether I care [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 05:24, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::You know, thinking about this, I don't think it is accurate to describe a goon as postmodern. Their fundamental principle would appear to be that there is one ''truth'', that is unaffected by viewpoint or interpretation and moreover it is the truth as they have laid it down in order to further one grand, all encompassing vision. As such, their program seems fundamentally modernist and optimistic. I do agree that they are ''terribly sensitive'' though. It makes me want to give all the poor wee darlings a big hug. {{User:Louise/PCatSig}} 09:55, 2 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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Category:Things That You Should Deal With</div>Vasarihttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Dunell_Hills&diff=1897737Talk:Dunell Hills2011-06-02T03:08:43Z<p>Vasari: /* Removal of DHPD Listing from Active Groups: A Clarification */</p>
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"However, in recent weeks, the DHPD, the Malton Rangers and the Crimson Clan, along with other survivors have pushed into the Hills and restored it to a habitable suburb, bringing it back to orange on the map for the first time in months."<br />
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:I moved this because I feel that something which is only a couple of weeks old isn't really ready to be in this section. The above is cetainly ''News'' -- but not long-standing enough to be anything other than a continuation of ongoing survivor efforts already mentioned in the article... For now, anyway. At the moment, it's an as-it-is-happening kinda thing, not ''history''. Dig? Thanks. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:24, 18 September 2008 (BST) It's also topical, and in 6 months what will "recent weeks" mean? ... No, this belongs in the News, not thw History. If survivors are able to establish a permanent foothold in the burb, THEN that fact becomes history-worthy. But not before. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:26, 18 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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"Since early 2008 all survivors have remained impotent against the zombie horde. Despite their best intentions they have remained unable to retake the suburb. All attempts have been driven back from the suburb. This means that Dunell Hills is well on its' way to being Malton's first true wasteland, despite the constant efforts of the survivor groups in the area." <br />
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:In that context, this doesn't belong either... It's correct, but it doesn't really add any new information to the paragraph preceding it on the main page -- except some bragging. Ergo, unnecessary. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:29, 18 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:It's my (admittedly naive) hope that everyone can work collaboratively to fashion a version the "Brief History" section that is both non-braggadacio-ish and non-topical/not quicky dated. Can we all at least ''try''? '':S'' --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:00, 19 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::Moving that stuff out of Brief History looks fair to me, Wan. --[[User:Jim_Extreme|Jim Extreme]] <sup>[[User_talk:Jim_Extreme|Talk]] | [[DHPD|DHPD]]</sup> 10:51, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ok hang on. I think the bit about The DHPD (and groups) making headway is news, but not history. HOWEVER, the fact that suburb was a wasteland with high repair amounts rivaled by very very few suburbs '''is''' history. Perhaps a rewrite that says it stood as a wasteland for a long time?<br />
''" For most of 2008, the efforts of survivors were impotent against the zombie horde. Most attempts were repelled, but survivors have shown that they are not abandoning this suburb and the war continues."''<br />
Since there is an active struggle there these days it does a disservice to ''both'' sides to gloss over it. My statement above is just a starting point, but I do thinking removing the fact that for 8 months DH was The Dead's is bullshit. <br />
I think if you can have something about DHPD's DMZ (which is A GROUP THING NOT A SUBURB THING) you can certainly have something about the Dead's long standing control of the burb (WHICH IS SUBURB HISTORY AND NOT A GROUP THING).--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 13:11, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::And Wan,remember that that comment was placed there to replace a more flametastic mean comment that was originally there, so let's not dismiss that edit entirely. But also don't take it as just bragging since it was an attempt to "compromise" at that time. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 13:14, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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::: And hod on to your hats... I agree with DCC. Something along the lines of an edit that says...For over a year [[The Dead]] maintained a complete wasteland of the Hills annihilating any attempt of survivor forays into the region. It is only recently that any significant reclamation efforts have succeeded, ''(and then a bit that can be edited later after the fact depending on outcome of the current events)'' and even then it is too early to tell if those successes will be for a significant amount of time.<br><br />
::::[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 19:36, 20 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::: I concur... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 14:35, 21 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::Did I just feel Hell freeze over? --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 15:32, 21 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::''The Dead, in fact, held Dunell Hills for over a year making it a wasteland with repair costs averaging easily in the 50 AP range and some buildings in the high 90s. Their presence is as strong as those that vow to restore the suburb making Dunell Hills a constant battleground with victories large and small for both sides.<br />
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While the current state of Dunell Hills is in flux and may always be it is important to note that both groups have had a significant impact on the history of Dunell Hills as well as the rest of Malton. '' I put this on there and I think this should be acceptable to both. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 15:42, 21 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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:I wasn't trying to "censor" the story... Nor do I think what you've all said above is incorrect, or that the last year or so is unworthy of mention. Far from it. I just didn't think that, as it stood, the "Brief History" entry was appropriate. Which is ''exactly'' why I moved the sections here, with a explanation... And didn't just delete it, or pull something drama-mongering, etc. etc. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:26, 21 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:I worked on the Brief History section... Hope the changes I made are cool with everyone... One of the important things I did was add dates. The fact that no dates were in any version so far was a big problem. And, if my dates are wrong, then fix 'em! ''::returns to throwing snowballs at imps::'' --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:39, 21 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:: Looks good to me... [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 18:30, 21 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::: I'd like to put rough dates, rather than 'from fall to fall' - not all of us fight from the northern hemisphere, nor do we all use the word 'fall'. Anyone have any objections or suggestions? [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 05:33, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Well, I don't have anything other than rough dates, personally... What would you have? The third quarter of 2007? ;P If people have months... then okay, I guess go ahead. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 05:44, 22 September 2008 (BST)<br />
::::: Well I know it was from November 2007 to September 2008; other than that I really like it, I feel it captures the essence of our struggle against one another this past year. Both the dead and the DHPD should be proud, it has been one hell of a fight and I think the history page is finally starting to capture that. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 22:10, 23 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Nice edit. Good job, Wan (and the others). So, uh... crap. You do realize that we can't actually all get along, right? It's just not natural. It's creepy even. --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 21:02, 24 September 2008 (BST)<br />
:Well duh... at this very moment I'm plotting your downfall, which will include quite gruesome death... The civility is just a smoke screen. *evil grin* ;-) --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 07:51, 25 September 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ok. ''No one get their noses out joint''... and no effen drama, please, this is pretty straightforward. But is there really any need for that NT Status section Marty Banks just added? You can just click on the NT building in the TRP tables... Or post News reports regularly about it. Whatever. As it is, I feel it clutters up the page and totally repeats information that is a mere two inches above it... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:55, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:My fault, I was questioning why DHPD has their revive point "active" when the whole suburb is ruined, as is the NT building. I'm guessing he did that to show if the building is ruined or not, while not realizing that there is a link right above. --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 02:09, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:If Wan Yao posted a request and waited 2 days without a result I hardly think that qualifies as active or slow. I also don't see the problem with suggesting survivors seek revives elsewhere since any rez in this suburb will prove pointless while it is in zombie hands. What's the point of getting a needle and being at 25 or 30 HP when the suburb is crawling with patrolling zombies? You'll just end up dead again. The hospitals are all ruined and you couldn't safely heal yourself. The newbie player should be informed that it is in their best interest to not be revived there. I think the information in the new section is clutter. <br />
:It seems that no other groups are active in the area either. For a game that is played 24 hours a day waiting 48 hours for a needle that doesn't come (when survivors are the majority) is insane. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 03:11, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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My bad, I forgot about the subsection above, I'll fix that...<br />
I would like to add, that anyone not associated with hostile groups seeking a revive in Dunell Hills that posts in our forum queue will get a revive usually between 6 to 48 hours (revive times may vary based on revive team status and location). <br />
PS: Have a great weekend and an Awesome 4th of July... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 04:30, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Thing is ... a) I posted to the DEM Revive Request Tool, so it wasn't just standing there Mrh? and hoping b) I was the ONLY zombie in the church every time I logged in!! c) the alt is an obvious survivor, a scientist to boot, so if he was scanned no one would have hesitated to revive him. Now, if the RP was being actively patrolled, i should not have had to wait 40 hours for a revive. I '''do not''' consider my experiences to be conclusive, by any means. But, it is a piece of evidence to add to the pile... That's all. And FTR "Dangerous" might be a good status for the RP... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:44, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, I like 'Dangerous' too... actually, describes the situation better... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 18:13, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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===June 24<sub>st</sub>===<br />
A walkthrough today by Yours Truly has found that Dunell Hills is completely devoid of life. As one wag [[broadcast]] today, the [[DHPD]] is nowhere to be seen and should rename themselves as the "Doesn't Hold Police Departments". As the FIRST CLASS Captain of [[BPE]] I will take it upon myself to shift the DHPD to "former groups". This suburb's barricade plan is likewise worthless. --[[User:Capt Schwartz|Capt Schwartz]] 01:25, 24 June 2008 (BST) (FIRST CLASS)<br />
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:As a point of interest... As an "experiment" I spent almost 2 days standing up dead inside St Lorenzo's Churh -- the DHPD's indoor revive point. I posted a revive request as soon as I got there. And... Nothing... Nothing but the eerily silent dead... Revives come faster in Daker and Ridley... Conclude what you will from this "experiment" --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:24, 25 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Please note that Because of our reduced presence in the hills due to increased zombie activity you must submit a revive request to our [http://dhpdforums.proboards67.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=29 public revive service thread] linked to from this page so that we can revive you promptly... I'll update the information on the queue. Also note that because of the current situation DHPD members will take precedence in the queue. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 05:18, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::The request was placed via the DEM's revive request tool, so that unaffilliated survivors might also be able to be of assistance. The brutal truth of the matter is that -- while I do not believe that there are no survivors, ''ever'' in Dunell Hills -- I did not see evidence of even uncoordinated survivor presence, or of organised groups offering "services", etc. I am making these statements ''exactly because'' I have no ties to either of the two main groups who stake claims in this suburb, and it was high time someone unaffiliated with the two warring cliques made a news report in Dunell Hills. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:36, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Listen man, I'm Dixie Lead... I go through the [[DHPD]]'s revive queue list personally. You want revive services from the DHPD in such a difficult situation then you must use the proper channels. Other than that I have no sympathy for you forcing yourself to wait a long time by just swaying at a spot that may be life-striked and placed back into service at some point in the future. You need a revive in Dunell Hills? we work there and If I would have seen you on the list you would have been up quick since I know who you are. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 18:54, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Ok, a couple of things, Marty. First of all, I specifically didn't post to the DHPD request forum because I was hoping to see if anyone besides the DHPD might be in the area. I posted to the DEM tool, which anyone and everyone can see and use. See, that's the thing: this isn't just about the DHPD and the Dead. Other people play UD, some of them even go inside DH! Also, you wouldn't have recognised my alt, he's a newbie (but one i am actually playing and who had a reason to be in the region)... I didn't want wiki/metagame name recognition to play a part in getting a rezz, I wanted to be like any poor sod newbie who was unlucky enough to find himself in DH. All this being said... I removed the whole thread and put it here... Because it was B.S., and really proved nothing either way, that isn't already obvious... you're pretty much right on that count... and I should have known better... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 15:53, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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: Guys can we *please* not go through this again? Members of the Dead have no right to remove our group from the list of active survivor groups in Dunell Hills, and doing so is really nothing more than another attempt to boost egos by 'claiming' the suburb. Yes we're not there at the moment, that's mostly due to us helping various survivor groups attempt to fend off LUE at Caiger mall. If you read down you'll see that neutral parties agree that we have a right to maintain our group link in the suburb page, whether or not the suburb is ruined at any particular time. We haven't made any official or unofficial announcement that we've given up on securing the suburb, and taking our name off the list of groups there is hardly going to prompt one. You guys seem to be searching for some kind of 'end-game' result, and it's simply not possible in Urban Dead. The only way you can win is if you harrass a group enough that they stop playing the game and move elsewhere, and since the members of our group are, shock horror, actually friends, we're not going to cease to exist no matter what happens in the actual game. Nor is UD the only game many of us play together. ;) [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 14:12, 25 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:: ... no right to remove our group from the list of active survivor '''groups in Dunell Hills''' ...<br />
:: ... we're not there ...<br />
:: [[Image:Contradiction.png]] --[[User:Capt Schwartz|Capt Schwartz]] 23:13, 25 June 2008 (BST) (FIRST CLASS)<br />
::They aren't asking you to break up your BFF pact. They are asking you to realize that if you don't control the suburb or exist in the suburb you are hardly an active group in the suburb. The suburb has been in zombie hands a majority of the time for the last nine months and completely ruined for at least the last 3. <br />
::If you are active in Darvall Hts why aren't the DHPD listed on that page's group list? The Dead aren't contesting your existence they are merely pointing out you don't operate in the Hills. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 00:32, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::What other games does the DHPD play? Is your assertion that if we stomped you in a game other than UD, you will concede defeat? I'm a fukkin tiddlywinks master! --{{User:DrPain/sig}} 00:53, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Ah not this again... there's no such thing as winning or losing in urban dead... only elimination... so unless you're planning to go on a murdering spree to kill every active DHPD member you'll not get the ultimate defeat you've been so horny for, only a perpetual contention that is never to end until the game gets shut down or we all get bored... *shrugs* I now return to my classic rock music and music theory book, have a good one all... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 05:13, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Chill Marty, I don't want people kicking off again because at the end of the day you do have to acknowledge that The Dead are putting on a pretty mighty display by most standards. Elimination *would* be losing by any definition of the word, but you can't eliminate people in UD any more than zombies cos they just get revived and stand up again. As Extinction pointed out ages ago, the only way to elicit and endgame would be to ruin and hold every single NT in Malton and I don't think even the Dead can pull that off. So yes, feel free to brag that you've killed all the DHPD in Dunell Hills and kept the majority of it ruined for the majority of the time you've been there, but please leave our group name in the suburb page because it's our homeland after all and we haven't abandoned it so much as been forced out of it while we do the survivor thing and gather our strength. We'll be back soon enough to scrub the moss off Dury, but for now the entire local area is suffering somewhat of a crisis and our attention is elsewhere. As people have already pointed out, if everyone went round removing and adding group tags to suburbs every time they entered them, it'd be ridiculous. Having your group name there simply means that as a general policy your group wants to live there, it's not intrinsically tied to whether or not they have living feet in the area at the time. Arbitrary, but true. Feel free to point out exactly how many DHPD are in/not in the suburb at any one time as long as you're not BSing, you've earned that obviously, but stop trying to defame your opposition using cheap wiki tactics. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 11:14, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Also I will FUCK YOU UP at tiddlywinks man. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 11:15, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Actually I don't think you'd need to hold every NT, just the strategically important ones for the strategically important suburbs, like Latrobe for instance. Hold that and Caiger is down which means the entire NW is vulnerable. Or Whippey/Style and Stickling/Bale ... hold those and Caiger and you pretty much have a stranglehold on most of northern Malton. Add Haslock in Chancelwood and Dulston then the entire north is yours. That goes for breathers and zeds. We got a glimpse of the apocalyptic end game with The Dead's rampage, survivors got reduced to ... surviving a zombie apocalypse and a lot of old survivor groups started hemorrhaging members. Kill off the metagame culture and UD will be reduced to struggling die hards like the DHPD and eventually the game will die a natural death like all exhausted social networks. But then you've got Kevan on your side willing to artificially tip the balance with massively unrealistic search rate boosts...--[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 12:39, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
I'm not evem reading this, can't be arsed with your juvenalia... But, for the record, I did not initially remove the DHPD from the groups list. However, I did happen to notice that who ever did, they did so incorrectly and in a totally POV manner. I corrected this, while leaving the DHPD '''off''' the groups list. I had an alt in Dumbell Hills, that's why I looked at wiki... Anyhoo, my alt saw NO SIGNS of the DHPD, no signs of survivor habitation AT ALL. Therefore, though the WAY they did it was completely out of line, the actual removal of the DHPD from the groups itself was IMNSHO totally justified. Here's the thing... Is the DHPD now a mobile group? Seems like it to me... They've also made statements to that effect. Well, if so, then guess what? Other mobile groups don't get to be listed several suburbs in which they have almost no permanent presence... Neither should the DHPD. I am not a fan of the Dead or the DHPD. You all suck wet farts from dead pigeons. However... I am a fan of the truth. And the truth as I see it is that teh Ded currently own Dumbell Hills and the DHPD is nowhere to be seen. Deal. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:51, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Ok.. I read that... Zeuggy's comments are actually worth addressing... Kill off the metagaming culture and UD will die, yup, that's a big point that we shouldn't forget. However, for what it's worth, only already impotent and stagnant groups were seriously hurt by the Dead... Others came together even stronger as a result of the Dead's rampages. And still more ''new'' metagame groupings came about in direct response to their activities. As for the search rate buff, get over it already. Anyone who has played this game for any length of time KNOWS Kevan does that, and if they are SMART they will EXPECT it. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:59, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ok, unless the DHPD can show proof of their presence and survival in the suburb in significant numbers and for a protracted period of time without getting slaugheterd every one or two days, you can add yourself to the page. If not, and you persist in editing the template to add yourselves, i will protect it and take you to [[A/VB]]. Im sick of this stupid edit war, and it ends now. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 15:57, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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:There's a big difference between presence and survival... We don't have to be thriving but we do need to be known to work there... and we do... We revive there and attack there. We have a presence; It may be a much smaller one, but it is there. Even the dead cannot deny that we have an interest in that suburb and are working against them all over our patrol area. So take it to arbitration or vandal banning, I could care less... but do not remove our name from the Suburb group list. It is our right to maintain both it and our struggle for the suburb proper. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 19:02, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Because you have refused to present evidence to back up your claim and perpetuated this edit conflict despite numerous reverts, i have protected the template and it shall remain protected for 24 hours, after which i shall remove the protection. If after that you start this shit up again without providing proof, ill lock it again and file a request for indefinate protection. You were warned in advance that this would happen. I dont give a flying fuck who is attacking who or who anyone here is. I just want for this dispute to be over, and the best way to end it in your favour is to prove your case, and it is not to have an edit war. I wouldnt have stepped in if WanYao hadnt sent an alt over to investigate and made the comments above and on the page news. Despite his faults WanYao is reliable and generally accurate, and as such i am very much inclined to take his word for it (Though im sending an alt of my own over to investigate as well, for more verification). --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 19:33, 26 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Thats awesome, you're awesome --{{User:DrPain/sig}} 01:14, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Don't get me wrong, I quite respect the fact that WanYao can maintain a NPOV opinion despite obviously being anti-DHPD with his character(s). I think this boils down to a misinterpretation of what the survivor list thingy actually means. Could someone link me to the page that describes the rules of who can and can't put their group tag there? There's a lot of confusion it would seem - some are saying you have to have a 'presence' there, which to nitpickers could be a single live person sat in a ruined building, some are saying there has to be a conspicuous, successful, organised presence. and I'm thinking that any group has a right to put it there as long as their group-wide policy states that they're fighting for control of it. If it's the first, then that's stupid cos anyone could walk into a suburb and put their group name down. If it's the second then I think that's unrealistic, because zombies hordes are now more able than ever to force survivors out of buildings/suburbs for extended periods of time (and quite frankly I don't think anyone could be arsed to follow along after zombie hordes adding and removing groups as they are killed off and revived). I put it down to this - if a survivor walks into Dunell Hills and looks around, and thinks to himself 'wow this suburb is ruined who could I join to try and get it back together', he's probably going to want to look at the 'survivor groups in this suburb' list. If he looks at that list and sees it empty, he'll assume that no one is interested in fighting for the suburb, which is not true because at the end of the day that's what ALL of our efforts are towards. If we disappear for a week to go help out somewhere else, the main inspiration is that we're assisting allies who have in the past helped us in securing parts of DH, and we're reinforcing our alliance so they'll consider helping us again in the future. Basically if a survivor wants to fight in Dunell Hills he should talk to the DHPD, because that's our objective and that's where we want to be as survivors. Yes the Dead have succeeded in killing every single person there and ruining every building, but they haven't stopped us trying and we will be back there very shortly. But whatever, leave it out and I'll put it back in when we arrive. Grimch you're actively PERPETUATING an edit war with your attitude, because by your actions you're forcing the DHPD and Dead to edit back and forth every time we gain a foothold there.<br />
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I would like someone to tell what the purpose of the group tags in a suburb is if not to direct players to groups they might consider joining to work in that area. If you want to work in Dunell Hills then the Dunell Hills Police Department is an obvious choice because we periodically attempt to retake it. Everyone knows that and everyone knows we won't be able to hold it for long because the forces arrayed against us are bigger than any survivor group is capable of overpowering, but to me this whole mess feels like someone is abusing a poorly thought out and obsolete rule to personally damage our group by taking as many links of ours off the wiki as possible to prevent people joining up. No other group in Malton seems to be getting this sort of treatment despite many being in a similar situation. And to answer your question, no. DHPD is not a 'mobile survivor group', in that we don't travel across Malton at whim like most others. We rarely go further than 10 blocks away from Dunell Hills and when we do it's to rearm and revive in preperation for another return. I don't think it's fair that zombie groups are able to keep a handful of players milling around in a suburb and call themselves 'active in the area' by default, whereas survivors are required to fight and barricade and survive to be allowed the same priveledge. It's zombie favouritism, plain and simple and if that's the policy then it needs changing to fairly reflect the nature of life or unlife in Malton. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 15:28, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Ezekiel, you actually have a point... You even had me convinced for a minute! However, Grimch is right: you need to offer some hard evidence that you're actually active in Dunell Hills. This is not a case of you being kicked out for a week or two, or even a month or two. This is like 9 months, and 3 months of continuous undead dominance of the suburb. I may be wrong, but the last time I recall a significant survivor presence was when COMBAT REVIVE and friends went in... And by mobile I mean just that: not limited to one suburb. Mobile groups can travel all over, or they can limited to a region, but they don't have a single home suburb. And, perhaps if the DHPD didn't lay claim to like what is it 6 suburbs you claim to have a "presence" in? If it weren't for that, if the DHPD were like most other groups and had one or two burbs they claimed as theirs... then people might not be as quick to jump on you, or to question your presence in DHills. Just a hunch.... Oh... and Grimch... FAULTS!?!? I have no faults, I am perfect, hah! --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:15, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh. and my characters are not anti-DHPD, that was a weird statement. If anything, the sole character who ever interacted with the DHPD in a meaningful way was actively trying to help you's and your suburb out! If anyone is anti-DHPD, it's the RL me... But, really, what I am is anti-asshattery... I think the Dead are giant asshats, but I also find the DHPD often are too, in their wonderfully anal-retentive way... And that's kind of what this boils down to: cleaning up the wiki mess made by two fetishistically hostile groups... And it's all bloody stupid, really. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 16:28, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:''I don't think it's fair that zombie groups are able to keep a handful of players milling around in a suburb and call themselves 'active in the area' by default, whereas survivors are required to fight and barricade and survive to be allowed the same privilege.'' Ezekiel, survivors are required to '''survive'''. The only reason the zombies are just (as you put it) "milling about" DH is because they successfully uncade, kill, and evict all survivors. That's active in the area. They actively patrol and check ruins. They actively kill all survivors in the suburb. They keep the buildings ruined by their actions. If they weren't actively patrolling the suburb then I bet DHPD and other groups could have retaken some of it, but they haven't. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:53, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Ill be unlocking the page early in a few minutes, simply because im tired and need to get some sleep soon, and dont want to let this run over by about six or seven hours. In other news, i now have an alt in the region. Feel free to contact my primary character, [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=136610 Gorbonzo] and give him a wave r a bite if you see him. Ill be examining both Dunell Hills and the surrounding area over the next few days. Ill also eat any humans i find because im a freaking zombie. If you restart the edit conflict after this, ill protect it again and make a request that it be permenant. Id like to think that the people here can act like mature adults, but i must admit i am skeptical. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 17:15, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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WanYao, that is incredibly unfair... have you ever hung with us for a while, or visited our forums? I think not... Before you insult us and accuse us of being something we're not; maybe you should get to know us better. Hell, you know what... I invite both you and Grimch to visit our forum. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 20:04, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the buffet at the Aloysius Marty and friends! Try again next week! Maybe you'll actually make it into the hills next time! --{{User:DrPain/sig}} 20:31, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Lunch!!! --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 20:46, 27 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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My bad WanYao, for some reason I thought the whole 'Dumbell Hills' thing meant you'd thrown your lot in with the 'keep the Hills ruined crowd', we were going on the basis that the guy spraytagging 'Dumbell Hills xyz' a while back (you I'm guessing) was anti DHPD. :)<br />
Anyways look, here be a common misconception I'd like to clear up - everyone keeps saying the DHPD 'claim' all these suburbs as theirs. Back in the days when we were able to put half a dozen officers in every single police department in those 6 burbs, yeah, it was quite an attitude of 'this is our turf, we make things happen round here'. Obviously like most older UD groups we've had a significant loss in membership since then, further compounded by the Dead driving off anyone in the group not dedicated enough to keep logging in death after death, and at the same time the zombie presence in the whole 'DMZ' area has risen massively. Not just the Dead, they were just the icing on the cake - we've had all manner of zombie and PK groups decide to come ruin the area ever since the first mall tour decided to host their after-party in Dunell Hills. Hell we just had a charming visit from Flowers of Disease who took it upon themselves to target us right before LUE turned up and mashed the whole area to paste (in fact FoD switched sides and helped us with Bascombe and Caiger after they were done tallying our kills vs theirs). Anyways the point is that very few people still playing after all this time have an attitude of 'these are our suburbs', and if they do it's role-playing, just like the RRF roleplay 'Ridleybank is our suburb'. The difference is you can't actually physically force a zombie out of a suburb, whether a zed player stays or leaves is ENTIRELY psychological. I'm still going to argue that it's unfair that zombies can get themselves on a suburb page just by clicking a button to stand up every day and then spam a barricade with their claws, whereas a survivor group has to ensure they never once get overwhelmed and lose all their unruined buildings lest they be stricken from the list.<br />
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I'm gonna go dangerously out on a limb and propose that you may in fact be right - the DHPD have been away from DH for too long this time. We got sidetracked by a PKer attack from FoD, followed by a big siege with allies at Bascombe, which was interrupted by Caiger and the surrounding suburbs getting obliterated. But if you're going to argue by the rulebook, I wanna see those rules first. Show me where it states exactly what boxes a survivor group must tick to get their name on a suburb page - must they have at least 1 building barricaded at all times with at least 1, or maybe at least 2 or 3 survivors inside? Must they have a majority of standing numbers? Must they be able to revive someone within 24 hours on request? Must they even be alive? Is there some timer so that they're removed so many days after the last report of a living survivor from that group in the suburb? That would make sense, but would open up a whole evil kettle of fish while everyone argues and edit wars and throws screenshot evidence back and forth to prove their group still operates in that suburb on a regular basis. <br />
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I just think it's a shame that the Goons can't just play the game, bask in their victory and then get over themselves, instead they have to rub it in by pulling shit like this and forcing everyone to argue back and forth incessantly. It's really not how I want to play a *GAME*, and it surprises me that so many people actually get a kick out of that sort of thing. Most other groups are classier than that, and in the defence of the DHPD YES several of our members have got hot under the collar and said things that were best left off the wiki, but it's in retaliation to a level of constant harrassment that goes far beyond the petty arguments on this page. We've already had to eject half a dozen Goon spies from our forums for a start, which is a tactic that no other group I know of in Malton has stooped to on such a scale. <br />
Rah rah waffle rah. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 01:42, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hay it's tselita with a penis. --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 01:55, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Oh look another DHPD meltdown. --{{User:DrPain/sig}} 04:30, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::It's not a meltdown you numpty, try actually reading it. ^^ [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 12:17, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:You are pretty much arguing that you should stay because zombies cant be kicked out of a burb. While it is true that zombies cant be forced out of a burb, a sufficiently hostile suburb will, after a period of time, start a gradual member leak. A lot of hordes suffered this kind of thing at Caiger 1, the RRF groups were significantly depleted in the wake of it. In any case, your arguing that the two should be treated the same fails because the two are, to put it simply, not the same. The diference neccessitates a difference in treatment.<br>There are no hard and fast rules on inclusion on a suburb page, simply because they are impossible to verify and fairly quantify. In this case we can only go by the concensus of those in the suburb. Given that the Dead say you arent there, and Wan Yao and myself as independant observers have now have examined the suburb to find that this is actually the case, the concensus is that you are not in the suburb and should not be listed as such until you have a significant foothold due to the nature of the suburb. Alternatively, you could become a zombie group and move in as undead, which would allow you to place yourselves on the list under the zombie groups header, if being on the list is all you care about.<br>My suggestion to you is to move on. Against a horde the size of the Dead, and wit the determination to keep you out it has shown, you cannot win and this argument will stalemate for months. Instead go around and see the city, help out other areas with their rebuilding, or go on a zerg hunt, or declare war on DORIS. Just do something else to pass the time while the dead have thier fun and come back later. Your group has lasted this long, it can probably survive a few more months. You may even find such a shift, temporary as it will no doubt be, will breathe new life into your group. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 19:19, 28 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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:: [blink] *crickets chirping* Umm... no?... yeah... no... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 18:37, 29 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Just change your RP validation for existance from "Controlling Dunell Hills" to "One day we shall return and retake Dunell Hills" and everything will work out fine, with a minimum of fuss and drama. But yes, the suburb is dead. Ive seen one living human my entire stay, he had 12hp, was infected, and i ate him. I have also yet to hear a groan. This place is deader than Ridleybank has been for years. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 04:22, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::: I don't think we are on the same page." Funny Movie... anywho... we never say die, so I would eliminate that thought... it's not happening... I am not saying that to be a jerk, it is just the way we are; We will not yield to griefers. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 06:27, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::This is stupid. There are plenty of other burbs in Malton that are in a similar situation to the hills - I wonder why the survivor groups are not getting kicked from these wiki pages or being asked to provide proof of their existence? Perhaps Wan yao can go through them all and figure out which ones need to be *removed from the wiki* That the DHPD considers itself to be in the area should be enough. We are working on raids into the hills and trying to get a foothold back in - we're just not doing a particularly good job. Other survivors trying to do the same should be able to find out that we are there. I fail to see why the DHPD should be getting kicked off the wiki page when no one is able to show any rule that says we are not fulfilling the requirements for listing.<br />
Grim - strangely enough, we are enjoying our current tenuous existence. This is a game and we have set ourselves an objective and are working towards it. Just because we don't seem to be very good at it doesn't mean that we aren't doing it nor that we are not having fun - the hills is currently one of the few places in Malton where one can really experience a zombie apocalypse! I don't see any reason for us to stop working in the hills while we are still having fun doing so.<br />
Can someone please point us to where on the wiki the rule that says 'you must be an effective survivor group to be listed' is kept? I'm going to put us back on for now - [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 08:23, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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:It's not that The Dead have kicked you out of Dunell Hills; it's that they've kicked you out and kept you out for months. Being a presence in a suburb means doing more than dying and crying in that suburb. Last I heard, your latest achievement in Dunell Hills was chickening out after you cajoled COMBAT REVIVE into needlebombing the Dury NT. I could be wrong about that. If I am, please correct me at great, tedious length. But if I'm not, and if your current top-secret operation consists of throwing DHPD guts into zombie mouths, you're not a presence in Dunell Hills. Keep dreamin' that dream, keep workin' towards that objective. -{{User:Mighty Agrippa/Sig}} 09:41, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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::It's actually neither that the dead have kicked us out nor that they have kicked us out for months. Try reading the post you are responding to before clicking the save page button - you seemed to have missed this o-so-vital step in conversation. *sips beer, breaks game, goes on and on and on* [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 10:20, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::I read your manifesto. You wonder why other groups aren't in the same situation that you're in. Seems to me it's because they've returned to, retaken buildings in, and generally had some effect on the suburbs they were briefly swept out of. Usually quicker than six months, too. You, on the other hand, have done... pretty much what I said above. As for the rest of it, Grim's answer sounds pretty good. Maybe you'd have better luck being listed as a zombie group. Or as food. -{{User:Mighty Agrippa/Sig}} 17:35, 30 June 2008 (BST) <br />
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Since you have zero interest in discussing this and reaching a concensus, i have reverted your edit and locked the page again, and filed for the protection to be held for a period of a month. Your arguments that just because you consider yourself to be in an area means you should be there is patently absurd. I could create a one member group, and consider myself to be active in every suburb in the city, and add myself. Id be quite rightly removed from every single page. You may well be asttempting to get into the suburb, but my examination of the surrounding area shows that that area is just as soundly fucked as this suburb. You are not present consistently, and when you are present, you are seldom so as humans, as such your argument that you are a human group in the area is patently absurd. The concensus is that you arent here, therefore you wont be listed. For fucks sake, i have yet to hear a single groan. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 12:08, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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Ok... First of all... I was with COMBAT REVIVE when we went into DH. We were not cajolled by anyone, we made our own decision based on our own reasons. You Goons need to drop the X-Files wannabe conspiracy theory everyone is out to get you bullshit... Fucking whiners, it's a TIRED schtick... Anyhooo... I will also say this: we actually made a FIGHT out of it, with a small handful of dedicated revivers... Anyone who was there knows this... Did we win? Fuck no, that's not the point. The point is that we were there and we made a fight of it, we had a ''presence''. For a short while... small... tenuous... yup. But a presence. And this is the thing IMNSHO with the DHPD... That is the point to this story... If they were basing themselves out of a nearby suburb and making a FIGHT of it... Actively... With guerrilla raids, mass reviving, regular strafing runs, etc. etc. Then they have a presence. The way I see it, even if you're dying all the time, but you're getting rezzed and coming back for more... Then you're there. But I personally have yet to see evidence of this. That's the issue. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:01, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:That's a fair enough opinion, and I don't disagree. DHPD have made very little headway into Dunell Hills the last couple of months other than a brief stint in Peddleson Village holding Bascombe and making sallies towards Dunell Hills, and a fairly frequent scout run to the main resource buidlings to check the levels of decay and zombie numbers. If you're going to base the list on survivor groups that have succeeded in instigating a siege at least often enough to be a nuisance then technically I'd have to admit we don't qualify at the moment. What I'm worried about though is that this could become a trend if the Dead propaganda machine (I have to call it that, any group that encourages its members to vote on as much inane shit as possible to give their future opinion 'weight' on the wiki is taking it a bit far) are given such a vague, arbitrary rulebook to go by. Would someone stop arguing rhetoric and show me the rulebook, the official page on the wiki where it states exactly what the criteria are for inclusion on a suburb? Otherwise I can't see this going anywhere good, since every time we enter the suburb there's going to be a fanfare of wiki edits and demands for screenshots followed by people arguing over dates and facts and 'oh its been 2 weeks since you were last here' 'no it wasnt it was 4 days' blah fucking blah. <br />
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:For the sake of sanity I'd rather everyone was just mature about it and accept that the group links aren't some kind of suburb danger report. If your concern is that the DHPD are using some kind of evil ninja wiki techniques to make us sound more important than we are, then you should probably realise that most of the excess 'DHPD propaganda' on the wiki is still there because we used to be the largest (or second) survivor group in Malton, and no one really bothers with the wiki enough to run around constantly keeping it up to date to reflect our current size. You wanna argue about the fact that the DHPD has it's tag on 6 suburbs instead of 1 then go ahead since that's more than most groups have, but this is really just petty from where I'm sitting. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 14:37, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::Information on the page is supposed to be accurate, not simply a means of scoring points for either side. It is now presently accurate. As i have said before, there are no hard and fast rules for inclusion, in this case however the concensus is that you arent there and havent been for some time (Months), and that position is one you just reinforced with details in your previous post. Placing yourself on the groups active in the suburb list is actually misleading, and when this wiki is intended to be an information source to the players, such grandstanding to salve your ego cannot do anything but harm. Just let it drop. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 15:00, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::For the sake of neutrality all barricade plans should be featured on the page of the individual group that maintains them. If you think about it, the suburb page is supposed to be just about the suburb. Barricade plans aren't something inherent in a suburb. It's not like the burb defaults to that. Neither are revive points. If you don't use the wiki or metagame you will not know about plans or RPs. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:47, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Barricade plans are a different issue. And, while I think you are correct overall, Nubis, it's been conceded that info about RPs and barricade plans are ok on the suburb pages. That's the way it is, and if you want to argue against that, fine, but that's a different matter entirely. However, in most cases barricade plans are not maintained by just one group, but by most everyone in the suburb. Even if one group is most active in maintaining them, they "belong" to the suburb, not to one group. Thus, they actually belong on the suburb page, or linked to it. Anyhoo... as I said, this is a seperate issue. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:44, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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=====Section 3=====<br />
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...Our ego? and barricade plans not being important to a suburb? Do you hear yourselves? --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 17:43, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Your arguments have no basis in reality or reason, and the way you are taking this personally indicates its an ego clash. Now, i can actually respect those few here trying to go about it in a reasonable manner and applaud them, but seriously, let the matter drop. And i mentioned nothing about barricade plans (That was Nubis only). As far as im concerned: Dont know, dont care unless theres another edit conflict there, given the page is presently protected, i guess we dont need to worry. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 17:48, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
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:: I am currently in Dunell Hills, so are other [[DHPD]] members; we may be dead, but we are active, we are present, and we are still fighting the dead's zombies. How many group members does it take for a group to 'deserve' being on a suburbs active group list? and what condition must they be in? because if these rules were actually that stringent, half the survivor groups in Malton would have to be removed from the suburb lists at any given moment... Show me the rule on the books that says that and I'll back down... and accusing me of taking this personally is a foolish assumption... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 18:04, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::So, you are a survivor group, but you are all dead, and ZKing? Thats... Thats pretty dumb (Wow, you just wasted 35ap to cost them 1ap). If you want to be listed as a survivor group, get and maintain a presence as survivors. If you want you can declare yourself a zombie group and ill mark you as such on the thing if you like. Because, y'see, one of the prerequisites to being a survivor group in an area is being alive. This wiki is a resource for players looking for actual information, and as such it needs to be accurate, or as accurate as it can be made. As i have said repeatedly here, there are no hard and fast rules for inclusion. Your absence as survivors for 3+ months kinda removes you from the running however. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 18:15, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: We've only been dead for a few days, when the dead raided our safehouse nearby... You have not been here all three months, and taking the dead's word for it that we've been gone that long is a bad idea as they tend to be less than truthful. We are here... We have an interest in the suburb, we do revives, and try to secure buildings whenever possible... that should be more than enough... <br />
I could show you just how active we actually are around; You'd still say no despite the compelling evidence to the contrary and it would have the added bonus of our enemies now knowing where we are. So it would be a useless effort, that's why we're not showing you were we are, because we're not too keen on getting killed where we sleep... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 18:27, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
:Marty, please do that. That's what we've been asking for: evidence of DHPD activity in the suburb. You're perceiving bias where it actually doesn't exist. Several people have provided copious evidence that you're not an active presence. My own evidence is IMO powerful but not at all conclusive. But no one has countered the preponderance of the evidence that you're not there, so we have to conclude you're not. So, disprove the critics. It's simple, really... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 20:49, 30 June 2008 (BST)<br />
::We can provide evidence that every building in DH is devoid of life and ruined in the past 24 hours compiled from UDBraaainz. --{{User:DrPain/sig}} 02:24, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::[[Image:RuinlevelDH.jpg]]<br />
::It has its' own '''new''' level of decay.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:57, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Agreed with WanYao, thats exactly what we have been asking for, and you have never given us. You want on? You need to prove that you deserve to be on there. And taking me to misconduct over this was just petty, especially when you didnt have a case. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 04:52, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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=====Section 4=====<br />
Something you people seem to be ignoring is that it doesn't say ''Survivor'' in the [[Template:Dunell Hills Groups|group-listing-template]]. It says '''''Pro'''-Survivor'', which makes the question of whether or not they're alive '''completely irrelevant'''. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 15:45, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
{{quote|Ezekiel UK|Yes we're not there at the moment, that's mostly due to us helping various survivor groups attempt to fend off LUE at Caiger mall.}}<br />
:Mmmm... Straight from the horses mouth. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 16:49, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yes, I read that. I'm not saying they belong to the list. With the lack of evidence of ''any kind'' of presence, they certainly don't. I'm just saying that they do not need to be alive to qualify. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 17:01, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Nice use of out of context quotes there Grimch.<br />
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:::Here is a screenshot of the last documented time (on our forum) that we were alive in Dunell Hills:<br />
:::http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/Ezekiel_album/screenshot.jpg<br />
:::Here is another couple more recent ones: <br />
:::http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/Ezekiel_album/screenshot2.jpg<br />
:::http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/Ezekiel_album/screenshot3.jpg<br />
:::Here is a handy link to the relevent map page where you can find the location of Yea, Lolley and Dury:<br />
:::http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/map.php?suburb=31<br />
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:::Basically, whoever said 3 months is full of shit cos I count a little over a month, and as you can probably tell we've certainly been in Dunell Hills whilst dead. In fact some of the scouting runs have been done whilst alive (as you can also tell), so to claim 'the DHPD is nowhere to be seen' just means you don't have enough of our members in your contacts list. I'd offer actual in game screenshots but I'm sure The Dead would love that, last time I checked one of their favourite past times is posting screenshots of our forums all over the internet. On the subject, I'd be quite appreciative if someone put us back on the page, and accept that making us post screenshots of our secure forum sections and location in-game every few days/weeks is completely fucking ridiculous. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 17:53, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Here's my Super Seckret Screenshot of Dunell Hills. <br>[[Image:SUPER_SECKRET_SCREENSHOT_Dunell_Hills.jpg| 400px]]<br> The map is dynamically updated by users running our Super Seckret Addon. The red R's stand for RUINED, the Open stands for open, and etc. As you can see, the entire suburb is ruined and open. --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 20:53, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::That's proof that the DHPD is really there...right?...right?... --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 20:58, 1 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Eh and eh? The screenshot is completely irrelevant to the entire conversation and states the obvious. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 00:02, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Your screenshots have people talking about supposed actions on a private forum. No actual game screenshots. If it's obvious that there are no barricaded buildings in Dunnel Hills and thus no survivors, then why does the DHPD insist on claiming that they are in the suburb and that they have an active revive point? --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 00:14, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::You're stepping back in the argument, either you didn't read all of it or you're choosing to ignore what people are saying. Firstly, I said we haven't been alive in that suburb that I can tell since May 21st. If you want to dispute that then go ahead, but I have dated screenshots and you don't so even if you think I faked them by carefully altering the dates on the posts then you'll just have to take my word that I have a life and don't stoop that low. Secondly I said that our officers have been in the suburb at several points since then, including yesterday as the screenshots with reports of zombie numbers and level of decay in certain buildings attest. Again, I may have faked them - but are you going to show me the incredible timelapse screenshot program you're using to monitor all 100 blocks of Dunell Hills at all times, the one that is able to identify all DHPD members even when they're dead, the one that shows we did not in fact move through all those buildings and scout them out. Cos as far as I can tell, we qualify to appear on the list of 'known pro-survivor groups' in Dunell Hills. I don't know why I didn't point out the 'pro' bit before, the point was raised previously on this page and it was pointed out then as well. Basically to qualify we have to be inside Dunell Hills, alive or dead. And unless you've come up with some novel script that can kill people the second they enter a suburb, there's no way of stopping us from being there or proving we aren't.<br />
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::::::::Gutted. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 00:36, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::The thing is that you're not proving that you actually '''are''' there, and in my opinion the burden of proof is on you. Screenshots of forums only prove that you have ''information'' about the suburb. They don't prove that you are there, not even that you've ''been'' there. What you need are screenshots of DHPD members in Dunell Hills. Plain and simple. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 00:58, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Exactly what I was saying, Midianian. I found one [[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:DuryMarty.jpg member]] in the Dury Building. I keep trying to be the one to kill him when he stands up but other zombies keep beating me to it. To Ezekiel - My focus has been on the public revive request tool. As you have said above, you are in the suburb, just in zombie form. I have changed the tool to note that. I request that if anyone edits that section, that they provide proof that the public revive request tool is being used or move it to a historical section in the Dunell Hills page. <small>—The preceding [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Gardenator|Gardenator]] ([[User talk:Gardenator|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gardenator|contribs]]) at an <span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=history}} unknown time]</span>.</small><br />
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::::::::::: burden of proof? are you daft? we don't need to prove anything... and under no circumstances will we compromise our operations over a weblink... as for our revive queue being inactive... that is for the group to update as it is OUR queue... and I can assure you that ANYONE that uses that as a tool and is not a goon will get a revive in from 6 to 48 hours... that is GUARANTEED... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 01:36, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::Quick guys, park your rotters in the RP to make him a liar. --{{User:DrPain/sig}} 03:12, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::Yes, burden of proof. The Dead are giving pretty convincing evidence that you might have difficulty being in the suburb. It's pretty close to impossible for them to prove that you aren't there, and it's easy for you to prove that you ''are'', so it is your responsibility to prove it. As long as you're providing zero evidence of your presence, you don't have any right to put your group on the list.<br />
::::::::::::It doesn't have to be a complete inventory of all your members in the suburb (however, it ''does'' have to be more than just Marty). It doesn't have to be of your safehouse/HQ. You don't even have to be alive in it. What's so damn difficult about providing that? --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Talk:Suggestions|T:S]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 09:12, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::What he means is, you're wrong about the queue - we've not had many requests since the official public revive request thread was set up on our forums (a few months ago) but as far as I know all applicants were dealt with in a relatively timely fashion. Marty is in charge of that stuff now so he'll be ensuring it stays that way. Also thank you for posting the evidence requested Gardenator, and endeavouring to keep the suburb info up to date. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 03:09, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:Shouldn't the template be fixed then to note '''Survivor groups''' instead of Pro-Survivor groups? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 03:23, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::No, PKers are survivors, and they already have their own section. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 03:26, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::AHLG, would you mind unlocking the page so we can put DHPD back on the suburb page? If I'm following the argument correctly, we've established that DHPD qualifies as a pro-survivor group, dead or alive, and all the evidence required to prove that we have members in the suburb (for today at least) has been provided. I'd ask Grim to do it but he's disappeared. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 04:05, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You havent proven that you are in the suburb, one frequently ZKed member doesnt count, otherwise we'd have groups putting themselves up everywhere they dont legitimately belong. And as for me dissapearing, thats because i had to do something we humans like to call "sleep". I have to leave as soon as i finish writing this for another thing humans have to do, its called "work", and its a place where i do not have computer access. Id support the unprotection on the condition that its left alone until this matter is settled on the talk page first. However i just dont have the time to search up the page, what with there being 10 minutes for me to get to the bus stop. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 04:45, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
::Not necessarily so Aeon17x, The Veterans of Fort Creedy were all Zombies, yet were Pro-Survivor (they only attacked other Zombies and helped empty NTs of Occupiers. And then there were the innanimates (weird group even by my standards) That created profiles of inanimate objects that killed mainly zombies (because they ransacked fellow inanimate objects) [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 04:12, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::There is an overlap though, as you can be both pro-survivor (for what you do) and zombie (for what you are). Seeing the DHPD's current state of being mostly dead, they'll probably qualify as a zombie group as well.<br><br />
:::What about renaming the Zombie group listing as '''Pro-Zombie''', to note how they are zombies or survivors working for undead-oriented goals? --[[User:Aeon17x|Aeon17x]] 04:53, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: I was for that Personally, but there was some debate about that some time ago, and in the typical wiki fashion...went no where. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[TBA]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:27, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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There's so much that's wrong with all of this... I can't even address it all. But I'll try. <br />
*There don't need barricades for there to be a survivor presence in an area. [[HIPS | Think outside the barricade]], already. <br />
*UDBrain, nuh? DEMON, nuh? We've been down ''that'' path so many times... but... yeah... anyhoooo... <small>''lazy cheating scumfucks lazy cheating scumfucks''</small> ... oh?! did i hear something????? ah, i guess it was just the wind.... <br />
*One doesn't necessarily need to compromise missions and operations to provide evidence of an authentic presence in a suburb. <br />
*As much as I'd like to wrap my brain around the idea, being a pro-survivor group who's only in a suburb while dead just doesn't seem to cut it for me...<br />
*Same goes for sending a couple of people in every few days to scout. ''Not. An. Authentic. Presence.'' Groups scout Ridley and Easton all the time, but don't put themselves on the groups list. <br />
*Really, with 66 members ATM, the DHPD ''ought'' to be able to make their presence felt in DH. If only a small % of that number, let's say even a dozen to twenty, were well-coordinated and using smart tactics -- they could easily do enough IMNSHO to demonstrate an authentic presence in the suburb. <br />
*All that being said... boxy spoke (or typed) some bona fide truth recently. Let me quote him here: ''"Being ineffectual has never been a reason to remove a group from a suburb list. If it was so, for much of the time I was in the NE suburbs with my little band of zombies, not a single zombie group should have been listed. If you stood in one place for more than 5 minutes, headshot. This is a bad precedence, and the only way to make it useful is to only have it apply to survivors (only survivors can be forced to play as zombies in a specific area, not the opposite)"''.[[UDWiki:Administration/Protections | citation]] Amen, boxy. Thanks for injecting some healthy reason and common sense into this debate. <br />
*And I re-iterate what I've said before: you could be dying like flies in a suburb, but that doesn't mean you're not fighting for it and thus a presence. Take FUACK, for example, no one questions them being in Daker... It's just that we still don't see any evidence that the DHPD are even doing this much, dying like flies but coming back for more, in DH. And I'm sorry -- again -- a few scouts and some zombified patrols IMO doesn't quite cut it... But, that is a matter of opinion, sound opinion I think, but.... Whatever. <br />
Anyway... Do what you want with all that. I'm sooooo fucking sick of this... it's pathetic, and I'm leaving. Ciao. Have fun waving your e-penises on your forums, kids. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:05, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
:I have an e-vagina thanks. --{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 16:54, 2 July 2008 (BST)<br />
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==NPOV in "Since the Outbreak"==<br />
I think the case can be made that Dunell Hills was survivor-friendly before the arrival of Project T.I.M.E. and then the earliest incarnations of The Dead in late 2007, and after that, it has been a zombie-held zone. Also this fact is referenced on another page [[DHPD/the_dead_of_Dunell_Hills|here]] Thus, I will defend the mention of The Dead in making the area consistently unfriendly to survivors. --[[User:Zambargh the Ravener|Zambargh the Ravener]] 17:56, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:The current revision is acceptable. --[[User:Zambargh the Ravener|Zambargh the Ravener]] 18:01, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::You go girl! --{{User:Zambargh_the_Ravener/Sig}} 18:24, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I recall DH being pretty unsafe during the Autumn of Extinction... Which is why I mentioned it... Then, between the collapse of the Extinction Zone and the rise of the Dead, it /was/ pretty safe overall, I think... But not consistently, and it wasn't just the Dead who have trashed the region... others have before. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:19, 11 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::DH was pretty unsafe for a long time after The Shining Ones hit it as far as I know and it was mostly due to ferals. Of course that was a long long time ago and evidently the DHPD actually somehow had a safe suburb for some of the intervening time. --[[User:Riseabove|Riseabove]] 22:40, 12 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Dunell Hills, like every suburb, has had varying periods of safety and danger- sometimes both at the same time (like during the failed Extinction invasion).--[[User:Razi|Razi]] 23:36, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Settling the "DMZ" issue==<br />
Okay, let's work on settling this shit because I doubt the mods are going to put up with it much longer. To sum up the problem, there's a link to the so-called DMZ in the NPOV section. It does not belong there, but certain parties are intent on keeping it there while more reasonable people realize it needs to be moved. While a decision was made on not spamming group links in the categories section (see [[The_Dead/Archive|here]]), this particular point was only lightly touched on and could use further discussion.<br><br />
There has been some precedence set on this by [[Ridleybank]] and the RRF. While there is a link to the Greater Ridleybank pages, it does not appear until ''after'' the NPOV section. Obviously the same can be created here, using a General Information subsection that is not part of the NPOV section. However, this section would clearly not be under the control of any one group. Should certain groups need to advertise information, regardless of accuracy, they can do it here.<br><br />
This issue could be brought to arbitration, but I'd like to get a few non-crazy opinions first. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 00:25, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Thats fine with me as long as your group doesnt feel the need to constantly spam the section with your awesome anti-DHPD propaganda. We recognize that you dont like us, yet we do not put forth even a fraction of the effort you do at deffamation of our group. As long as it remained civil im sure we would be all for it. -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 00:31, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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I've rewritten the entire page. I am sure you'll all agree it is much, much better now. It also conforms to NPOV. Go figure. I'll aso reproduce this gibberish that I completely deleted... It's contentless, well, gibberish... Whoever wants it can have it. <br />
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:Oddly this zombie presence have taken a strong interest in study of the human subconscious. Enrollment and more information can be found at Anderson Row School.<br />
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:The rise of the zombie also promoted the metaphor of mental function as information processing. This, combined with a scientific approach to studying the mind, as well as a belief in internal mental states, led to the rise of cognitivism as a popular model of the mind. It explicitly acknowledges the existence of internal mental states (such as belief, desire and motivation) unlike behaviorism.<br />
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:With the development of zombie technology of understanding human behavior for accurately measuring brain function, neuropsychology and cognitive neuroscience have become some of the most active areas in contemporary psychology. With the increasing involvement of other disciplines in the quest to understand the mind, the umbrella discipline of cognitive science has been created as a means of focusing such efforts in a constructive way. Perhaps one day through undead research and human dance competitions in Clud Meade, we can bond the two and experience a sensation unlike that of two slugs mating. <br />
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--[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:20, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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::Thank you WanYao, I appreciate what you did. I have no problems whatsoever with the updated page. -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 06:29, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::The community can feel free to elaborate on the "A Breif History" part... You probably should, that part kinda sucks. Just rembember, it doesn't have to be ''strictly'' NPOV, but it shouldn't be blatant propaganda either... That's the point: these are ''community'' pages. The Dead doesn't own it, the DHPD doesn't own it, it's everyone's --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 06:38, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Bah, I'm still not sold on the history section mentioning the 'DMZ'. It's a one-group concept of no relevance to anyone other than the members of the DHPD. Not only is it purely for their benefit, it no longer exists in any effective manner. This section reeks of appeasement. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 09:04, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Meh... 1) There are precedents for the "Brief History of..." section. 2) Like it or not, admit it or not, Dead-e-os, the DHPD still operate in the area... even if only barely ;) 3) The DHPD and the DMZ are part of the history of the burb, an important part. Just like the Dead, and the Extinction invasion last year. By your logic, Greater Ridelybank shouldn't be mentioned on the wiki. Well, I don't buy that logic, sorry, nor do most wiki-ers. Now, if I have left important stuff out, well... locals who know more... embellish. 4) And trying to be even-handed and drama-reduced = appeasement?? Whatever... In other words.... suck it up, drama-princesses, you don't fucking own this wiki -- neither the Dead nor the DHPD. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 09:18, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Really? Honestly this DMZ crap is unbelievable, why even bother with trying to keep it NPOV -<br />
::::::'''Peddlesden Village:''' "The suburb '''benefits''' from the proximity to Dunell Hills and the influence of the DHPD as it was the first suburb to be incorporated into the Dunell Military Zone."<br />
::::::'''Owsleybank:''' "Owsleybank is part of the Dunell Military Zone."<br />
::::::'''Chudleytown:''' "It is also part of the DMZ, containing two DHPD precincts."<br />
::::::'''Molebank:''' "It is part of the DMZ."<br />
::::::'''West Becktown:''' "West Becktown is part of the Dunell Military Zone."<br />
::::::Why is all that crap there? Because a tiny survivor group 'claims' those suburbs? All mention of it should be removed from everywhere but their own pages. The Dead could easily claim 95% of the suburbs on the map, but we're just too god-damn high-class. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 09:34, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::You're dead fucking right. Pun intended. Sooooo... get off your ass and FIX it... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:22, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Happy now, you lazy whinger? --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 11:30, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::They changed all the suburbs back to the DMZ Zone, again. You gotta hand it to these 6 fellas at least. They are determined to have ownership of the suburbs. I guess they see it as a means to have their group grow back to be less pathetic. When caught, they're all happy sunshine and smiles, like oh dearie tis that true? 'Oh sir Mods please change it to reflect the NPOV. By the WanYao I love what you done with your hair. And Boxy, oh your dress is so soft.' While at the same time spit venom at anyone who is just updating it to reflect what's going on ingame. Then they sneer and change it back to DMZ after all the drama is over. For people that have a sensual obsession against 'drama llamas' they seem to enjoy it. It's too bad they don't have that determination in game as they do on their precious wiki. All their suburbs are dead and have been for almost 8 months now. Hate the Dead? That's fine, but at least we don't lie.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 06:26, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Moreso, but who can ever be truly happy when there's just so much suffering in this cruel world :( --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 12:32, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I would add it back in or we will start this edit war crap again, whether you like it or not those suburbs are part of the DMZ. 1 sentence wont kill you as much as you complain it will. Sadly I already know your answer. I guess it will start in a little while then... -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 00:00, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::::Peddlesden Village, Owsleybank, Chudleyton, Molebank and West Becktown. Six suburbs. According to the game stats page, the DHPD numbers 68 members. That's roughly 11 per suburb, if you do indeed have a presence in all of the "DMZ". The Dead number 1561 members. With 100 suburbs total, that's roughly 15 per suburb.<br />
:::::::::::You can now either accept that by your own rules The Dead own and control the entire city, ''including'' the DMZ, or admit that your pathetic little group is clinging to this one last hopeless lie to try and make itself seem like anything but the irrelevant and flimsy house of cards it is.<br />
:::::::::::Either way, we control the DMZ and you don't. Superiority of numbers, after all - 90 of us (15x6) outnumber a mere 68 of you. {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 05:21, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::: Yay us. As long as we have 6 members we can have a presence in all 6 suburbs. Thanks for pointing it out! You have a long way to go to drop us below that, we'll be adding ourselves back on now, kthanx. -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 05:37, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::: Holy christ you guys are pathetic. It's sad that you think that reply was even a burn. 6? How many zergers do you guys have???--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 05:56, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::On noes! Someone who has spent days trying to get the wording of the UD wiki changed cause his big bad group has done mine in thinks that I am pathetic! Man, I really must have hit rock bottom. Pretty sure that even my Mum doesn't think that I'm cool any more. Scoobs, surely there is something I can do to get your respect back? I'm not sure that I can face the world without it. xxx [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 06:22, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::: Notice how the subject reverts back to babyspeak when caught with nothing to say, children.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 06:29, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::I love when you act like you're so grown up and mature, in reality its really easy to picture you as a 14 year old in your mom's basement. I even bet you have a cardboard fort that you set up down there so you could rule your basement with an iron fist, am I right Scoobs? Go pretend you're going to conquer the world some more, if that doesnt work im sure you can rely on your backup plan of Malton. If all else fails you still have your basement! -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 06:48, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::Cisisero sweetheart, I'm afraid it doesn't work like that does it? If every survivor group who operates in a suburb got "just 1 sentence" on the suburb description pages then the wiki would be rendered unuseable. Please explain to me why the DHPD should get preferential treatment above all other groups? I have reverted your edits and shall continue to do so. If you still don't agree then please take this to arbitration, I would dearly love to see some common sense put to work here. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 07:58, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::Because the DHPD is a large group, a very old group, and has a very long history in these suburbs... We are more a part of their history than you ever will be. We exist there, and we will continue to exist there... Removing what we have earned is a crime against us... Against every gamer, bored college student, and busy corporate office worker who puts their 50AP in everyday during lunch or before bed... Just because you're not too busy to play this game as a group 24-7... doesn't mean that we aren't when we manage yank in a precious five minutes free out our busy days... now get off of our page... and leave the DMZ where it belongs... in and on the DMZ... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 08:07, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::::::::: Get off your page? How rude. I'm afraid you're confused Marty, this is the Dunell Hills suburb page. The DMZ of course can remain in whatever form you wish, on the DHPD pages - your group, despite it's history has no divine right to use the wiki for their own ends. This is a wiki for everyone, those suburb pages are for everyone - they sadly do not exist for the benefit of your group. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 09:04, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::: Sorry, wrong wiki page... thought we were on the DHPD talk page... but seriously... this will teach you to put a cork in it!!! verdict of Gnome and Hagnat-5 (Hagnat-5: "your group can edit the suburb page to have a This burb is part of the DMZ, but you shouldnt categorize them as such.") [[DHPD/Archive#Category]]. That is their verdict, it can be included in the suburb descriptions... so you can piss off... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 09:08, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::::I can piss off? My word, dear boy you have quite offended my delicate sensibilities. Shocking personal attacks aside, I stand by my point and shall continue to do so. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 09:20, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::Hahaha, it's ''awesome'' when you play the "history" card on us. Mainly because, y'know, you have no history in this game in comparison to us. {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 09:16, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::Nothing about your "DMZ" merits notice on the suburbs page, history or not. There are quite a few groups with more history than yours that are still around and don't demand preferential wiki treatment. Your "DMZ" only exists in your mind in the game (you're not currently holding most of these suburbs) and in the wiki should only exist in DHPD owned pages. Furthermore no amount of history justifies your absolutely amazing amount of whining when someone comes along and points out that you've had all kinds of special treatment on this wiki and most of it should be removed. --[[User:Riseabove|Riseabove]] 21:41, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Why is Marty so Crazy?==<br />
God may be the only one who knows.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 09:28, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
[[Image:Atruefriend.jpg]]<br><br><br />
Scoobie - shame on you for marring their page with your crappy artwork! You should have posted mine because it is better. <br><br />
[[Image:Martypisseshispants.jpg]]<br><br />
--[[User:DCC|DCC]] 14:51, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Seriously guys, this is your last warning. Keep messing with us and I'll be forced to get seriously passive-aggressive on your arses. You should know be now that I am well trained in nonviolent resistance and am a tenth dan negotiator. Stand down. [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 00:20, 8 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Keep on redrawing that line champ.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 06:28, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Saved for future reference==<br />
Recently certain whiny babies have thrown tantrums over the discussion regarding whether or not groups are allowed to spam links to their page all over suburb/individual building pages. Since the mods' decision was not in their favor they have tried to remove its existence from the wiki. However, as this decision seems relatively important it has been saved for posterity here [[The_Dead/Archive]]. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 18:25, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:It is also saved here : [[DHPD/Archive]] -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 22:37, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::Yes, and was placed there only after The Dead archived it, and only when the DHPD was informed from many directions that deleting comments without archiving them for reference was poor form. [[User:Jerith|Jerith]] 22:39, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::: yeah you're right, it was place there after you started whining and stuff. Im sorry. Its a good thing you admitted your a dedicated zed or I would feel worse, but seeing as how we wouldnt want you in our group anyway I can care less. Lets spam up this section too! -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 22:44, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Keep it civil please lads. We don't want any more idiotic flamebaiting. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:46, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Nope, I play -a- dedicated zed. The rest of my characters are only dead incidentally. My dedicated zed is my second oldest character, having been around for two years. But, no big. I didn't flame, and I don't flame. I voiced concerns about your behavior. I didn't whine. You wanna come back angry, cool, that's your call. But "I don't like it" does not make something spam, nor does it make it a flame. Just clarifying, because apparently your terminology got screwed up somewhere along the line. [[User:Jerith|Jerith]] 23:53, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::: :'( -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 00:53, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::It's probably best not to get into arguments with crazy people. As you can see, they've long since gone beyond real communicative abilities and seem to only be able to string together words in a failed attempt to make a complete sentence. The best thing to do would be to nod politely, smile, and let them be. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 01:37, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Yeah... I'm with you now. I think I'll go to Dunnel Hills and take out my built up frustration and aggression. If anything convinced me that all of the survivors need to die, it'd be the reception that the DHPD gives to visitors on their talk pages and the wiki in general. :) *Sips Shotgun* [[User:Jerith|Jerith]] 02:00, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Take out your frustration on what? Ruined buildings? No one is there except The Dead. --[[User:DCC|DCC]] 02:40, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::: Point taken, but, I'm sure they'll occasionally want to un-ruin a building or two. You know, Phyrric victories and all that? Ruining it again will be fun in such instances. Also, I only really said that because I plan to pass through on my way to the greening suburbs in the south, maybe update the statuses of some of the ones I pass through. [[User:Jerith|Jerith]] 06:04, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Ahem.... FYI, the DHPD do ''not'' represent in any way, shape or fashion the "survivor community". Just as the Dead in no way represent the larger "zombie community". --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:18, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Hey, Mensa , The Dead '''are''' the larger zombie community. So, I say, yeah, we do represent.Word.--[[User:DCC|DCC]] 14:32, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::AH HAHAHAHAHA...that is all--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 17:14, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::It's true, isn't it? You really are an alt account of mine. Odd, considering I'm just an alt account of Katthew's. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 17:50, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::And I thought Laughing Man wasn't serious. Geez you guys really do just put up random shit.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 17:26, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Hey! Didn't you notice I said "that is all"? That is all means THAT IS ALL. NO MAS. Your comment is clearly out of place--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 17:31, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Sorry, but one big self-obssessed daisy-chain doesn't really count as the whole of the Rainbow Community. So to speak... Basically, the Dead are the zombie-trenchcoater flipside of the DHPD... and about as tactically incompetent on the zombie saide of things as the DHPD, too... The Goons just have a slightly (slightly...) better grasp on reality and rhetoric than DHPDers. Otherwise, I don't see much of a difference, really. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:45, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Anything opposite of tenchcoating is fine in my book. I didn't think that making a record of most ruined buildings and forcing Kevan to make alterations to the search rate meant we were incompetent. Seems like we're doing just fine even with the higher rates too.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 17:26, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::: Well, if it comes down to it, The Dead represent the larger zombie community in a way the DHPD does NOT represent the larger survivor community, I'll give you that. Nonetheless, the attitude is prevalent. [[User:Jerith|Jerith]] 06:04, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::We also have never claimed to represent the majority of the survivor community. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 03:21, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Well, apart from that one time. *loads beer* [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 03:25, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::: :P -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 03:28, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::: Oh I remember that time; we were so drunk... and I accidentally shot PsychoPhil, because I thought he was PsychoPhill... that was awesome... umm... wait... that was the time right? --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 05:42, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::that is SO WACKY i bet you drink all the time too becuase you are so wacky like that<br />
:::::::::::::: Where's 'pushing the envelop' that you promised you crazy fella?--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 17:26, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::::hey<br />
:::::::::::::hey<br />
:::::::::::::you retarded [[User:Rudiger Jones|Rudiger Jones]] 17:04, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==DHPD Pushed Back By Ferals==<br />
# FmrPFCBob said "Good God .... aren't you guys BORED yet?<br />
#I mean really .... hasn't this gotten old yet?" (4 hours and 59 <br />
# minutes ago)<br />
# Ezekiel UK said "I feel sorry for you all." (3 hours and 14 <br />
# minutes ago)<br />
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Hahah. I feel sorry for the DHPD. Being pushed out by scouts. We're a big group and we're everywhere. Get over yourselves and your boredom. Go outside or join another group that can do something against us.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 04:40, 5 April 2008 (BST) <br />
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==lmao dhpd==<br />
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is a corpse still a police officer technically {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 11:41, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Hey, these guys like RPing, right? Let's look at it from an RP standpoint. The DHPD did such a craptacular job of maintaining order in Dunell Hills that a major infestation was able to germinate there, resulting in the rise of a massive horde of zombies that then proceeded to mow down the entire city, and keeps circling it to this day like some malevolent turd in a toilet bowl.<br />
:The DHPD was decimated in the initial outbreak, and what few members ran screaming into the night like the cowardly fools they are just get killed within a day or so of trying to return to sift through the rubble.<br />
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:Seems to me, any suburb that had such an abysmal lack of protection would want to rid themselves of the very memory of such a weak band of losers.--[[User:DoohickeyBones|DoohickeyBones]] 18:36, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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::And the village idiots of bastard town keep on running their pie holes with insults... two can play at this game... If you'll excuse me, I will be preparing for the season premier of my favorite show. So I will yield the floor to Cisisero (provivded he is not going to be watching the same show...) and my good friends from the bowels of hell... The Loons from Goon Town!!! The Vile Jokers of Insanityville... The Goons of the Dead!!! The Something Awful Forum Trolls!!! wooo!!! *large audience applause* and I tell you folks... not only are they incredibly mean... no... they are incredibly mean with a style that would make Osama Bin Laden jealous... so without further adieu... here are the most evil people in the griefer business... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 21:30, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::You play the game like a retard. The majority of our arguments are sound and backed by logic and common sense while yours...just look pathetic? You can't even rally your troops without zerging as Cisisero's multiple characters have shown. I'm hoping you attempt (AGAIN) to say we're zerging when even Kevan admits we're not.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 02:26, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::: Strike 1!! You've said those things already, everyone knows you like to digress to issues that are either false or have no bearing on the current conversation when you have nothing to say... but that was dismal... try again... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 06:06, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: More like Home run. http://profiles.urbandead.info/index.php?name=cisisero* All made around the same date as the original. Class. Act. Why do you even try? I haven't read one post from you where you actually make a point. Completely useless.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 06:40, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::: I know Cisisero; he's no zerger... and frankly I don't care... if even if he was... he's ten times better than you lot... You're human garbage; the people that through your own self loathing allow yourselves become janitors and secretaries... hating your lives, your jobs, and the people around you until you die of heart disease... You will never be complete and you will never do what you want in life... and all your posturing and disrespect on the internet will earn you nothing; because when you face people in person you stutter and answer them with a yes or no sir/madam... Yeah, no one can do jack about what you say and how you comport yourselves here; but if you spoke to people that way in public you'd end up with a shattered jaw. <br />
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Answer honestly; would you dare speak to your neighbors that way? Would you graffiti their homes and yell at them on their properties? --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 07:28, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Threatening violence over the internet? Why I never! Demeaning remarks for the filing/cleaning industry? Oh my! Broad casting's one's fears through insults? It's Marty Banks! Realize this is just a game, kid. You're probably in your early thirties but you sure have a ways to go. You seem unstable. Your posts are inching towards winning one of SA's comedy meltdown awards. I'll 'answer honestly' too. I would dare since it's our property.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 16:32, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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::::::The funny part of tht is that most of those characters were created when I was with Something Awful. Im sure in all your grandness that you would never think someone would turn his back on all of you right? To be honest I was following another Goon's suggestion at the time to create throw away accounts, but you guys wouldn't still be throwing that suggestion around would you? If you ever see any of those character active anywhere you just let me know. Im sure you havent though as it would have been brought up way before this in some lame measure to prove we are zerging. As it is, you dont have proof of anything as there is also the fact that none of those have been touched since maybe a day after I created them... But you all keep being right all the time, k? [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 09:00, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well considering DHPD's leader was busted for 250 alts(Jesus) and that you also attempted propaganda by taking over a border building of Dunell Hills, you aren't exactly commander truth man.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 16:32, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Interesting. In between when you created your first character (30 Jun 06) and the closing of the last UD thread (30 Jul 06) there are exactly four posts. Not a single one says create many characters. In fact, nowhere in the thread does it say that. But you go ahead and keep making up your fairy tales. They're somewhat more amusing than Marty's sad attempts at insults. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 15:16, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::And then you also wonder why you didnt have a profile link to my character huh? You're starting to border on retarded. I have an archives account too. I can look at everything you can. You may want to ask people likee DCC (Scraps) if I was a member of the Many or anything too. Unless she lies to you I think you'll find the answer waaaaay to unbearable for your apparently fragile mind. As for you trying to remove us from the wiki, I will have people in DH anytime you try. Hope you enjoy this game; I am, and have been a member of SA for longer than you Laughing Man. I know how to play this game and none of the comments mentioned here bother me in the slightest. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 18:23, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::You are full of shit. Compare [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=97517 DCC Member of The Many/DARIS] this profile with any of [http://profiles.urbandead.info/index.php?name=cisisero* Your profiles]. DCC came in on the tail end of The Many and she is still at least 1 year older than any of your characters. So, don't give us this "I've been around SA UD just as long HURR HURR" shit. --[[User:DCC|DCC]] 02:28, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::I wouldn't waste your time on this rubbish. They're on the tail end of a dying group. The stragglers of any bad cause are always the most closed minded and willing to deny truth.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 02:58, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::It's too bad you're too much of a whiny bitch to prove it. You toss around forum names like you're some sort of fucking magician but anyone who looks at the GBS threads can figure out who is who. Tell you what, numbnuts. Make a post in the thread, prove who you are, and Laughing Man steps off the wiki forever and never comes back. Toxx Clause that shit, if you will. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 18:30, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::: You'd like that wouldn't you... pathetic... no one cares about you, stepping off... some other goon will just take your place...<br />
I tell you what, if you think you can get the [[DHPD]] to hang our heads in defeat and disband you have another thing coming... The [[DHPD]] will not disband for the likes of 'the dead'; the fact is that the game is not such a large part of our group anymore and there's really no way that we'll lose cohesion because of it... You can't really touch us in our forum, you can't touch us in the IM, and you certainly can't touch us in real life... so why continue this? oh wait... because you think you'll get somewhere... hahaha... you're powerless to stop us from being a cohesive group and you know it... i smell desperation... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 19:42, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::It takes a real man to admit that even in his fantasy game he's still a loser. Tell you what. Since the game isn't a large part of your group how about either not play it or just get a new 'hood. You can get together in real life and have Dunell Hills PD Pantie Parties(TM) all day long. Also I wouldn't recommend the 'you don't know who I am in real life, BLARGH ME IMPORTANT'. We just don't care. So retreat to your fantasy forum and stay off our suburb.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 19:56, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::: It is not your suburb (If it is 'anybody's' suburb, it is Kevan's) and it isn't even our suburb... it is 'a' suburb... and if you think we're going to abandon the place we call home... you've got a screw loose in your freakishly big ego... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 20:05, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Thankfully you always have realized it isn't your suburb and thus didn't need to be categorized as such. With that realization you didn't complain mightily about the DHPD categories being removed from location pages or cry to the member of your group who's a sysop for help. You've been the very model of good sportsmanship, DHPD. Oh wai --[[User:Riseabove|Riseabove]] 20:32, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::You've resorted to personal attacks on the players behind the characters. It's obviously either the last act of a desperate man or the first act of Henry V. Either way, you've lost. You'll continue on your downward spiral for a little bit, then eventually go the way of Major Striker. Hell, I've even given you a way to get rid of one of your loudest opponents, but you're obviously too scared to take me up on it. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 20:12, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::: I don't think so bub... maybe I struck a nerve? no? I expected as much... just don't think you're striking any nerves in kind... I'm just playing your game... it is a game you made to have no rules... If you go there... I will go there ten fold... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 21:47, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::I'd say we've been hitting your nerves for a while now. Take a look at your posts. Go on, I can wait until you're done. Notice the way they degrade in quality each time? Yeah, that's us getting to you and you getting more and more desperate. Hell, we don't even need to provoke you anymore since you're now managing to do all the work yourself. Keep on fighting the good fight, because when it's done you're going to be a burned-out shell of a person. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 22:38, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::"If you go there... I will go there ten fold..." - Exactly what do you mean by that comment Marty? Is it intended to be intimidating? Is that some kind of threat? I'm genuinely intrigued. Either way, why don't you go and take a long walk outside and take a few deep breaths champ. Jesus christ. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 23:51, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::LMAO you guys sat around all day arguing on the wiki, it was a saturday and all you had to do was sit on a wiki? How fucking pathetic is that? [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 10:37, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Now is that any way to treat a member of your group? Sure Marty spends all his time here writing nonsensical ramblings when he's not busy crying himself to sleep, but there's no reason to point that out. And you've still got a few hours to prove you've got any balls, but we both know it won't happen. But that's okay little baby, because we both know you'll go on pretending your existence means something while everyone else knows you're a pathetic failure. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 16:07, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Awww. I, so glad you still think I care about how you feel, its so cute! Someone else mentioned a pretty good reason as to why I shouldn't, besides I dont want you to leave for forever Laughing Man. How else would I be able to write pages and pages of spam? -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 17:17, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well obviously you wouldn't do it simply because you can't, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise. And I've got to admit, it's spectacular watching you implode. Too bad you can't erase all this and tell people to go away, eh? Anyway, time limit expired, you've once again failed, and nobody is surprised. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 20:07, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::"If you go there... I will go there ten fold..." yes, I will... you push the envelope, I will push it farther... simple as that... jeez... can't you understand a simple concept such as escalation; and as for 'burned-out shell of a person' yeah... like an online wiki argument would do that; I think you guys are projecting... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 06:04, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Whatever you say. Instead of saying weird shit how about stick to the game? Your group is shit and only you and Cisisero are even bothering to defend it. Making personal attacks is always a winner! Most of the people on the Urban Dead wiki now hate you guys more the The Dead which I didn't think was possible. Good work though! We didn't even have to do anything.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 19:11, 6 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::"20:00, 6 April 2008 MartyBanks (Talk | contribs) (do not use my real name... I will not allow it...)" 'Pushing the envelop'? Truly a bastion of cowardness and stupidity if I ever saw it.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 09:12, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::: Oi! Whats with giving Marty all of the credit? I too have valiantly fled screaming at every chance I've been given, but you are yet to make a single image of me. Keep this up ladybitch, and you won't be getting any sugar tonight. [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 10:50, 7 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::A lady...that's a bitch? [[User:Rudiger Jones|Rudiger Jones]] 09:13, 9 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==April 2008 moved News items==<br />
Alive or Dead the DHPD is in the DMZ. You can kill our chars any way as much as you want...But the DHPD are in Dunell Hills now and forever. Admittedly The Dead are a larger Zombie Horde than the DHPD at this time, but we are there regardless. And Since all the Dead can do is ZK us in our current state, there is no way they can get rid of us. We'll be seeing you for a long time I'm sure.... [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:10, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:That's pretty sad and poor use of logic. So you're saying if I claimed a Suburb way back when and just happen to have 1 or 2 characters stick around then it's mine 'forever'? Your guys can't even stay alive in Dunell Hills for almost a full year. Almost a Year!<br />
:Your entire suburb is still spraypainted 'owned by the Dead' or 'owned by the Dead of Dunell Hills'. Even when you do rushed repair work which doesn't even take that much AP it gets utterly crushed. Urban Dead is a organic game and I at least recognize that fact. You're old and tired and the wiki is your only means of defense. I'm trying to take that pathetic outlook away from you so you can at least actually own a (different) suburb again.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 21:55, 3 April 2008 (BST) <br />
:I love you guys. I really do. I've never seen such backward logic used to ignore the fact that your group is so horribly totally useless. "Hay guys, we're all zombies but it's okay because we're still here! DHPD BFF!" And you probably will be seeing us for a while. We've been rocking out in the suburb for about five months now and you haven't been able to do anything about it. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 22:31, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Seriously, that's pathetic. This sort of thing brings nothing but more shame to your group, you should at least have the integrity to face the reality of the situation. The DHPD are completely unable to operate in Dunell Hills and this state of affairs will continue, regardless of whatever fantasy you care to weave on the Wiki. Sad. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 22:49, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::Classic signs of a dying group. The inability to change and 'changing the goalposts'. It's too bad you guys also suck at propaganda. You can't even muster up unique users other than the usual 1 or 2 on your own damn suburb page.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 23:01, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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hay guyz does this mean we still own shearbank {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 23:43, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:READ THIS AND UNDERSTAND: We live in Dunell Hills; dead or alive, it is where we come from, it is in our name, it is our blood, we'll be here until Kevan shuts down the servers or resets the game; So get over yourselves... few people from the DHPD give a crap about you, we're just here because we're the ones who actually maintain our group's presence on the wiki and are greatly disgusted by your hateful scrawls; Everyone else just plays without a care. The only reason you can take us out so quick is because while you sit in front of your computers all day masturbating to the screeches of both angry and horny furries, while many in the DHPD are actually out doing things that matter in life (school, work, raising children, etc...). For all your posturing all you have accomplished is defeating a group 1/10 your size on a stupid little browser based game. Feel Proud of That... I'm sure your parents will be when you tell them all you did today was eat, sleep, and get yourself a hate on. --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 01:33, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::Oh Marty, you try so hard and fail so miserably. Do you ever stop and realize just how silly you sound? I especially like the part where you say we apparently take things too seriously not two sentences after you say DHPD is somehow in your blood. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 01:49, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Off topic I know, but are you like one of those pubbie fags that are always online? I mean we already established that I am one of those, so its ok for me to respond all fast, but you? I thought you were better than us roleplaying pubbie fags. I mean, you're ridiculously fast at replying, its like you watch this page all day... [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 01:56, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::'Dunell Hills is in the DHPD's blood' and finding this post in less than five minutes proves my point... you want to play all high and mighty in-game you have the numbers to do so... but we've all spent years building and organizing our little section of the wiki little bit by little bit... so if you think you're going to kick us off of it you have another thing coming... and no doubt this reply will be followed by more personal attacks and stupidity from you and your friends... by all means continue... show everyone what you are... eventually their fear of you will subside as they realize you wont stop until you've sucked the joy out of the entire game, wiki, whatever... --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 02:03, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::God you are so easy to rile up. The best part is that you and Cis always leave the conversation when you're losing.<br />
::::::http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll79/buckomcgee/?albumview=link&special_track=nav_album_album Anyway here's some proof that you guys aren't even trying to take back your suburb. The ruined buildings haven't changed much for a long ass time. Maybe actually try in the game instead of wuss it up in the wiki.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 17:08, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Actually we're using a firefox extension that alerts us anytime you make a post. It's currently only available on the ultra super secret secure highly classified ultraviolet security site so you guys probably haven't found it yet. Keep trying, though. Maybe by the time you find it puberty will replace the DHPD flowing through your veins. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 02:26, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Oh really... wow... I... I can't describe how pathetic that is... I am laughing my ass off right now... Push all you want folks... you will reach a point where you can't continue anymore... what to do then? "oh what can we do? anymore bullying will get us banned oh no!?" you'll move on... because you need to insult people to make yourselves feel better about being forum trolls... I am loving this... you're frustration at trying to give comebacks to people more intelligent and far crueler in real life than you is like a fine wine to me... or should I say? fine whine? --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 02:36, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Nothing will EVER replace the DHPD flowing through my veins. Its there to stay! Forever and ever and ever. By the way, I hope you weren't referring to [http://z9.invisionfree.com/Vitiate/index.php? these] super secret forums. I would hate to happen to know any secrets. Talk to you later Dra.. er, Laughing Man... [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 02:40, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::Well shit, you found it. The super secret forum we've done our best to not advertise [http://z14.invisionfree.com/Brainstock/index.php?showtopic=8744&view=findpost&p=11434344 anywhere] or even invite pubbies to join. Guess we better pack it in. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 02:56, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::I was hoping you would realize that sooner rather than latter. Ill announce to everyone in the DHPD you guys are calling it quits. You Rock! High Five!. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 02:59, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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hay guyz i think this means we still own shearbank {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 03:36, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:[http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/320/excusemeav7.jpg xcuse me wtf r u doin] --[[User:Zambargh the Ravener|Zambargh the Ravener]] 17:31, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===DHPD thinks its in Dunell Hills???===<br />
Last time I checked, we've controlled this suburb for almost a year. Why does DHPD still have jurisdiction over their wiki? Why not The Dead(over 1000 members) or Dead of Dunell Hills?--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 23:24, 2 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:I suppose if you can confirm that all 100 squares are not occupied by DHPD, then you could remove them. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:28, 2 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::: Do you want screen shots or will C&P of descriptions work? --[[User:DCC|DCC]] 02:09, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Best be a screen shot. I'm not the one to make a decision here, but if you can provide some evidence here on the talk page the shows no DHPD presence at all then it should be removed (in my opinion, anyway). Normally groups remove themselves, or are removed due to activity, though. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:17, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Its awesome how I can shoot the plan down before it starts! [http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q218/Cisisero/UmThedeadaredumb.jpg Me Alive in Dunell Hills!] It seems moderately funny that in order to provide proof I have to be willing to get myself killed, but meh, whatever. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 02:42, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::It's even funnier that the spraypaint says "all dead, all dead..." Good work doing our work for us though. That's more evidence that you just rushed your ass and blew all your AP repairing one building.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 03:38, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Sounds like a plan.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 00:32, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::Its funny because im still in DH. Guess you cant prove anything. Ive got no problem leaving a permanent Dirt-Napping team in DH either if it makes you happy. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 00:29, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::One member of a dying group doesn't equate to a massive group. That's like handing a bank to an outside begger. Was it fun hunting for that revive?--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 00:32, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: It was!!!!!! I love talking to you, its so fun. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 00:38, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Ah yes, the old "lay down and die and hope they'll eventually stop picking on us" plan. Can't wait to see how spectacularly you fail at this too. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 01:15, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::: Ah yes, the old "Throw random bullshit out there because I cant think of anything good to say" trick. I for some reason expect better, and im constantly let down... :( [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 01:30, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Is english your second language? Any time you tried to come back, we've crushed you completely. You then run off stock up and repeat. Sadly this entire time your group has been losing unique IPs at a large rate. I know that the wiki is basically your only means of defense but you're not even trying here. You're just spewing junk about 'bullshit' or 'haha we sure fooled you'. Using 1 AP to repair a building and running off isn't a sign of strength when we still own your suburb.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 01:42, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::: Really? I didn't know the DHPD wasn't in DH. Doesn't seem fair for them to have any variety of official care or control over it then. Pray tell, Scooby, someone, are they claiming they have a significant presence in Dunnel Hills? If so, I think they're quite wrong. I passed through there not long back and it was QUITE dead. I'll watch this issue with interest, lemme tell you. Gonna head over there now, just for fun. [[User:Jerith|Jerith]] 03:28, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::I'd say there's most likely a few of them laying on the ground or waiting at some revive point or another but I'm not going to bother wading through corpses looking for them. After all, it took them several days to repair most of the suburb and several hours for us to wreck it all again. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 03:54, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::It is? When was the last time you were able to check our IP's? I think its funny how you act like you know everything that goes on. It kinda like that whole teenage "I know everything and you dont" phase of ones life. Dont worry, you'll grow up soon. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 01:46, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::There's something genuinely delightful about a "Grow up" comment coming from the self-professed "Commissioner General of the DHPD". Priceless. <br />
:::::::Now then, for the grown-ups; Dunell Hills certainly should not be under the jurisdiction of the DHPD, it's ours, it's been ours for a long time and will continue to be ours until we tire of it. Perhaps a third-party that's a little more emotionally removed than dear old Cisisero here can come and show some common sense, however they may feel about The Dead. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 12:41, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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you guys do know that more then one group can in fact be in the same suburb at once right? as long as both groups are in the suburb the names stay, you cant remove a group name from the suburb just because they're dead.--{{User:Blood Panther/Sig}} 06:42, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
: I realise that Dunell Hills has traditionally been their suburb, it is no longer. The Wiki should reflect the truth, not the ego of a dying group. They're a survivor group that is utterly unable to operate within Dunell Hills and as such, has no right to have their group name in the suburb. All of their protests are based on nothing more than hurt pride, the facts are certainly on our side. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 09:53, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:: You're... not getting it are you? Putting your group link down on a suburb page, as far as I know, means that said group has committed themselves to operating, in some way, in that suburb. Yes we're not there all the time, how can we be when a group that has risen to over 1500 decides to make it their sole mission to keep the suburb ruined? But I'm sure you've noticed us dropping into the suburb on a fairly regular basis to say hi and cade up the only NT (again.. and again.. and again). You must have, cos otherwise your 'goon high command' script wouldn't have recently been telling all nearby Goons in the NW to attack Dunell Hills again and clear it out. Again. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 11:43, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::So in your own words, DHPD's presence and influence in Dunell Hills is nothing more than wishful thinking and occasional forays to rebuild a building or two. By that criteria, every single group should have its name on every single suburb - it's only fair after all that everyone should have a level playing field. Please be serious.<br />
::: Another section that needs serious trimming is the category Dunell Hills Police Department (http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category:Dunell_Hills_Police_Department). There are 194 articles in there and 99% of them have absolutely nothing to do with the DHPD, other than a DHPD member may or may not have once been inside the building listed. A group with 85 members must spread itself mighty thin to provide services in 194 locations, even if every single one of them was alive. Please remove your category spam from all over the wiki. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 12:14, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::I'm not sure where you get the idea that we're somehow focused only on you. You've been the whiniest little bitches I've ever seen but screaming louder does not make you more important. Maybe you missed the part where the small group from the horde that smashed the suburb had been a piece of the larger group that took out Stickling and Caiger before moving further west. Maybe you missed the part where half our number were on the east side of the city. Or maybe you simply refuse to admit to yourselves that we don't really care about you pissants because it would destroy the reality you've created to make yourselves think you actually matter. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 14:31, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
This is a third party observation... from someone who was in the general area recently as part of a group op... and who has moved alts through the area on many, many occasions in the past... The Dead have pwned Dunell Hills, pretty much, yup... but the DHPD-in-exile (which might be an accurate label) are still around, and still active -- even if it's in a greatly reduced, sometimes almost non-existant capacity -- in the area. I've been in the region, I've seen them, we did revives and heals and repaired and barricaded with them... Were we all booted bak out? Yup... eventually... but it's an interesting contradiction -- the Dead talk about how survivors need to learn to run away and not suicidally hold the line against overwhelming odds... yet, when someone does exactly that... they disparage them... Hmmmmmmmmnnn... <br />
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And... the Dead often leave town themselves, leaving Dumbbell Hills a Ghost Town... But do we want to delete them at that point? Nooooooo... The RRF are not always active in all of Greater Ridleybank... Hell, Barhaville is often Yellow even Green for long periods of time! But I still see the RRF listed in Barrville... <br />
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Franky... though... I think you're ALL assclowns who need to get over yourselves. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:36, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
: So to summarise - Hey guys, stop picking on the poor old DHPD. Sure they can't control the suburb, can't rebuild the suburb and aren't actually in the suburb, but they used to be there for a really long time. Excellent. The Dead may occasionally leave DH (there's not much to do to be honest, what with everything being ruined and everyone being dead) but they certainly don't lose control. The wiki should be changed to reflect the reality of the situation. Also, as an impartial third-party, what's your opinion on the massive "Dunell Hills Police Department" "DHPD" "DMZ" category spam all over the wiki and why the hell wasn't it taken care of before we arrived? Oh yeah, it's the poor old DHPD so they get a free pass, I'm so forgetful. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 12:55, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::You didn't even ''address'' what I said... By your logic, the RRF should have been taken off the list in Barhahville when it was green/yellow for extended periods. An absurd conclusion. As for the wiki spam... instead of trolling the Talk pages, why not be an active user and start deleting this spam? See, the wiki is huge, and a lot of stuff doesn't get dealt with... It's up to YOU as a user who notices it to deal with it... The wiki is a collective project, see. But... instead, it looks like you'd all rather sit there and scream about being VICTIMS of a corrupt system... rather than doing what every single user can and should do, and try to actually FIX it... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 13:08, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::: Seems like sound enough logic to me, hell yes take the RRF off the list in Barhahville if they can't hold it for extended periods, put them back on when they can, simple. I don't imagine they'd argue with that. As for deleting the spam, well now that's a very good idea. --[[User:Deadtanian|Deadtanian]] 13:19, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Well... holding something vs. having a presence are different. I can think of some small zombie groups who can't really hold anything much more than taking out a few buildings here and there -- but who are listed on the suburbs pages, because they ''are'' there. Same with all the one-man-army survivor groups... The latter are especially lame, IMNSH opinion... But I'm not going to begrudge them their little icon in the groups sidebar, even if I think they're kinda pathetic. And, the Dumbbell Hils PD ''does'' have a presence in the area... whether they hold stuff or not... and they are not all dead, either... well not always... Now... I notice you're removing all the DHPD spam off the locations pages. Thank you and good on you!! And... if the arguments are valid (and I think they probably are, because those categories IMO violate NPOV and are basically just propaganda... you have my support if any of the sysops, or the Dumbbells, take issue with you. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:35, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===April 1st===<br />
:Told by the DHPD, you mean. Everyone who's remotely sensible is thinking that you can't really "stall" The Dead. But hey yeah keep up the dying horribly thing, it's hilarious. {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 21:50, 1 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::We'll see. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 21:54, 1 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::Planning on bringing back the desk sgts.? That's not really something to brag about, you know. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 23:22, 1 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Way to pull something out of your ass that has no relevance to anything. Good one. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 08:54, 2 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::seriously though why even bother trying to be the dhpd because you're never going to be able to stay in dunell hills when you're alive and you're all morons anyway {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 09:55, 2 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::Ah yes, the DHPD motto. "We're awesome and have never done anything wrong like spend $250 on zerg accounts lalalalala fingers in my ears can't hear you." Also, we just fucked your suburb in the ass yet again. Maybe UD just isn't the game for you. Have you looked into tiddlywinks? --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 14:01, 2 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::Because we can, and because its so funny to watch you all turn ito what you claim to hate when you find out we are back in Dunell Hills. Its a riot, actually. Hope you're not planning on us quiting anytime soon :D. Maybe its time for y'all to create even ''more'' zergs! [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 00:32, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::Which Cisisero is saying that? [http://profiles.urbandead.info/index.php?name=cisisero* Cisisero111?]--[[User:DCC|DCC]] 02:49, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Just pack it in Cisiero. You've got nothing but lies left. No wonder this group's a joke.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 17:41, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::For a group that's actually been caught cheating and got bitchslapped by the hand of Kevan for it, you're pretty liberal with the zerg accusations. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 01:28, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::For a group that encourages its members to use proxies, does nothing to reprimand its members on the fact and then continues to claim its super awesomeness, you're pretty liberal with the zerg accusations. I hope Kevan does a proxy ban sometime soon. It will be awesome to watch the dead drop from 1500 to 45 or so. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 01:39, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::You keep clinging to this pathetic belief in some desperate hope that it becomes reality. Sadly, that just isn't going to happen. Sure you'll scream and cry about how unfair it is but at the end of the day you'll still be a useless retard.<br />
:::::::::I'd say you've fagged up this page enough with your stupidity. If you'd like, we'll make a spot for you on our talk page where you can come and rant all you want. Hell, you can even bring Marty Banks along too. It's always funny watching him try to sit at the adults' table. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 01:58, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::Nah, im good. Thanks for the offer though. Im sure we'll wind up doing this again somewhere else anyway. You guys get a little bit too upset the second any DHPD member makes an edit anywhere. -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 02:05, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::Can't say I'm too surprised. You've never struck me as the type willing to take responsibility for your actions. But that's okay. You keep on dreaming that we'll go away and we'll keep on using a mere fraction of our force to subjugate the suburb and keep you out or dead. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 02:34, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Why are you the only DHPDer on this page? OFFICER DOWN ! CALL FOR BACK UP !! Oh wait - they are all fucking dead! or hiding. <br />
::::I love logging in and seeing another DHPD name crossed off on my contacts list or with a new group entirely.Cis - GIVE IT UP.--[[User:DCC|DCC]] 02:08, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::::::No thanks. :) I can play the same game all day long. It makes no difference [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 02:11, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::::::Look how they dance like puppets am i right --[[User:Zambargh the Ravener|Zambargh the Ravener]] 05:19, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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==Where did the links go?==<br />
They went away because there is already a DHPD link in the survivor list on the page. After looking through the other suburb pages, I noticed there are not any other suburbs with specific groups listed in the Categories section. In an effort to not play favorites it seems simpler just to remove all extraneous listings. --[[User:John Fraker|John Fraker]] 20:31, 9 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:However Over two years ago there was a lovely situation where the Sysops at the time determined that it was ok that they remained since it didn't do any harm. I do believe it was also handled in an Arbitration ruling but I've slept since then. BTW Part of the discussion dealt with the fact that any other group could do the same if they wanted to go to the trouble of doing it...its just the fact that the DHPD was one of the few groups to take advantage of it. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 03:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I like the way you say you can barely manage to do anything yet as soon as something involving your group happens you are quick with the mod powers. And somehow I doubt if I started adding The Dead to suburb categories it would last past as long as it takes you to hit undo. I suppose it really does not matter, does it? In the end we will still have your suburb in our pocket and you will still be a group of talentless scrubs. --[[User:John Fraker|John Fraker]] 06:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Conn, that's absured. The Group Categories should only go on group owned pages, otherwise it's simply misleading and clutter.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I'm actually inclined to agree with Karek here, it does clutter it up. Dunell Hills Police Department ''is'' already in the Groups section of the page. --[[User:JSaysNo|JSaysNo]] 15:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==DHPD Presence==<br />
Despite the conditions of the DMZ..There are members of the DHPD present in each and every suburb. Many of them zombies and/or dead, agreed, but there none the less. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:you guys rock high fives lmao [[User:Juan carlos|Juan carlos]] 07:14, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Generally Survivors mean actually 'surviving'. If DHPD is on the move then whatever suburb they decide to move to should be updated. Otherwise it's unreliable information. If you decide to stay in Dunell Hills, having bodies or zombies in the suburb generally means you are now a 'Zombie Group'. You should be treated as such and should not be considered a Survivor nor Hostile Group. Keep the information accurate and up to date. --[[User:Gengen|Gengen]] 08:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Thats where you are wrong. There have been numerous Pro-Survivor Groups in the games history that have been composed '''entirely''' of Zombies. One of which is a component of the DHPD and has been for a long time. If enough changes take place to where the DHPD in Dunell proper can get revived then they will be... until then. They are there, and since the majority of the DHPD is in fact alive... that means they aren't a Zombie Group. So... [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 16:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Again you are being forcefully disingenuous. Pro-Survivor is short for 'Professional Survivor Group'. It does not mean in favor of surviving. You're trying to use terminology to press your point which is quite invalid. I also don't appreciate you using an Appeal to Tradition fallacy on a board that's supposed to be logically based. If the majority of the DHPD is 'alive' then where is their home? Obviously not Dunell Hills last time I checked. I don't mean to be rude but at least you could use this time to Roleplay something interesting like how zombies are actually becoming dangerous in a zombie simulation game. However saying you're a professional survivor group living in Dunell Hills is just simply not true and goes against the ideals of wiki neutrality. You're squatting the suburb.--[[User:Gengen|Gengen]] 20:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::[[UDWiki talk:Administration/Vandal Banning/Archive/2007 09#Saromu|A similar issue has come up before]]. Basically, a consensus was reached in that groups are free to add themselves as long as they are there, and they're current state should have no bearing on their addition to a suburb page. I feel a different interpretation is needed. Having a Pro Survivor group does not necessarily entail that the majority of one's members are alive. It is not unheard of that [[Life Cultist|zombies would support a human cause]], nor that [[Death Cultist|humans would support a zombie cause]]. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 22:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Friendly zombies? You are also using a Appeal to Tradition fallacy like Conndraka. Again if thats the case then the DHPD is considered a Zombie Group not a Pro Survivor Group. They may want to help humans as much as anyone else but they are dead, i.e not 'surviving'. If they have members alive then they should update their new suburb 'home'. They're free to retake their home at anytime but until then please keep this neutral and update the wiki accordingly. This is a game of wandering and surviving in the wastelands in a zombie apocalypse world. It is not Real Estate 2000.--[[User:Gengen|Gengen]] 08:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I think what they're trying to say is that the wiki is an organization and as such they have rules and regulations that they have developed over the course of having been an organization. These rules and regulations supercede any point of order or discussion in a debate sense of the word. If you want to change the policy put up a proposal to do so but debate jargon doesn't really apply here as organizational structure is more important. During your new policy propsal discussion would be the proper place to attack the bases of arguements in the form of a debate.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 12:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::There isn't a debate if they're unable to back up their side of the argument. They have failed to make a strong argument and frankly it supersedes any structure or organization logical fallacy you believe to be true. It goes against the wiki official 'neutrality' stance. They've been able to do it because this is just a silly browser game and realistically no one cares. I am writing this to simply reveal their hypocrisy that is blatantly apparent. I see no reason to continue further.--[[User:Gengen|Gengen]] 18:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::... but you will. For all your posturing of being so much cooler than everyone else on the wiki, you're down and dirty and playin' with pubbies... cuz you're one of us, perhaps??? Anyway.... Pro-survivor does not mean "professional" ... no one gets paid for being a survivor ... It's pro- as in opposite of anti- , dig? Meanwhile, the DHPD can name themselves any bloody thing they want. Period. However, as a ''survivor group'' I am actually inclined to agree that if they don't have a genuine ''survivor'' presence in DH, and haven't for a while, they shouldn't be listed among survivor groups in the burb. That they have "Dunell Hills" in their name is irrelevant to their actual ''presence''... That being said... I think you're '''all''' a bunch of fucking pathetic wankers, SA Goons, DHPD... As they say, birds of a feather flock together -- in Dunell Hills. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 18:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: How astoundingly clever, you took a worthless cliche and turned it into an awkward topical reference, good show [[User:Juan carlos|Juan carlos]] 07:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::: Just to set the record straight "Pro-Survivor Groups" is not short for "Professional Survivor Groups". The term "Pro" was meant to indicate groups who support the survivor cause against the common zombie agenda (i.e. killing all survivors). Before anyone disagrees with me realize this: I wrote the header. I'm all about organization so I created the headers under which all the groups are currently sorted. I admit, when you factor this with the "Zombie Groups" header it is a bit misleading as it would imply that it should instead read as "Pro-Zombie Groups", but at the time I had mentally grouped death cultists under "Hostile Groups". Of course death cults like the Gore Corps might be more suited to being grouped with the zombie group(s) they support (namely the RRF) under a Pro-Zombie header. At the very least it would clear-up any confusion about why certain groups can remain listed under the Pro-Survivor header. --[[User:Mobius187|Mobius187]] 14:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Other Stuff==<br />
I moved some of the information regarding the DHAGS to their page, where it seemed like it belonged more. If this was out of line, let me know. --[[User:FingFangFoom|FingFangFoom]] 21:27, 2 March 2006 (GMT)<br />
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"Finding a HAM radio and a box of defective badges"... shouldn't that be *detective* badges? [[User:Vetriano|Vetriano]] 14:48, 14 April 2006 (BST)<br />
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:No actually they are defective... They Have Dunell spelled with two "N"s [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]] 17:57, 14 April 2006 (BST)<br />
'''Update warning level'''<br />
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I think that the suburb color needs to be changed. Its not really that threatening of a place. [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 23:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Done.Down to Moderate. --[[User:The Surgeon General|The Surgeon General]]<sup>[[Dunell Hills Police Department|DHPD]]|[[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]]</sup> 00:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Phone Mast status report==<br />
If you time, can we get you to update http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Mobile_Phone_Mast#Locations with the current status of your local phone mast? Thanks. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 20:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:: Zombies don't need cell phones and we really don't want to try to pick our 5 BFFs for our Fave Five plan. It's just too hard to pick 5 out of the 700 that roam freely near Dunell Hills. If you want to send in a few technicians to check the status that would be lovely. Make sure they use BBQ flavored shampoo, too. Mmmmm Kansas City Style --[[User:DCC|DCC]] 20:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: Hey DCC, I think the problem is that when you guys sacked my office you didn't realize I had messages from like ''years'' ago. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: Reading is hard for me. Besides, I wanted to get in Return of the Living Dead reference! --[[User:DCC|DCC]] 22:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Dunell Hills history==<br />
Contrary to popular belief this is not your group page do not continue to revert my edits<br />
:You have yet to make a contribution to this page which [[User:A Helpful Little Gnome|A Helpful Little Gnome]], [[User:Seventythree|Seventythree]], nor myself, would consider news. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 03:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Well, I have. So sit on it. EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY --[[User:Katthew|Katthew]] 03:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::And I see no reason to remove it. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 03:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::I have dunnel hills in my group page patients does too its cool &ndash; [[User:Nubis|Nubis]] 03:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::Yeah, all righty then. Just so there isn't any confusion, that was sarcasm. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 03:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::Man you guys are a bunch of faggots, good thing your entire DMZ is paying for it in blood. --[[User:Zambargh the Ravener|Zambargh the Ravener]] 18:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Pro-Survivor Groups ==<br />
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As far as I know, there are no survivor groups in Dunell Hills, so why are they still listed? --[[User:Cymoro|Cymoro]] 00:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Adding latest quotes from the group pages of [[5punk]] and [[COMBAT REVIVE (Group)|COMBAT REVIVE]]:<br />
::"January 08: Many 5punk members awaken from hibernation and instinctively shuffle back towards The Waugh Arms to see how she has coped in our absence."<br />
:[[The Waugh Arms]] is in Chudleyton.<br />
::"To this end we are in the process of opening new Revive Points for Rotters. To provide maximum service we have chosen The Blackmore Building as it is in the epicenter of the undead. Please wait patiently, no biting, and NO BARRICADING. Also, do not mess with the generators, they are there for everyones benefit. Thank you for your cooperation."<br />
:[[The Blackmore Building]] is in Ridleybank. Because of them not being centered or even having influence in Dunell Hills, I am going to remove them from the survivor listing. --[[User:Cymoro|Cymoro]] 00:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Due to the length of inactivity, I am apt to agree. --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 01:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:COMBAT REVIVE has long been inactive in this area, you guys should hop to that one. I won't cause I don't care.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 01:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Events==<br />
===May 2===<br />
A few survivors have volunteered their lives and AP to keep the ever vigilant Zombies of Dunnell Hills entertained and fed.<br />
Sadly, none brought ketchup.--[[User:DoohickeyBones|DoohickeyBones]] 19:58, 2 May 2008 (BST)<br />
===Apr 29===<br />
Breaking News! Zephyr Hospital and Broadbelt PD were brought to HEB status today!<br />
Even More Breaking News! Zephyr hospital is now OPEN and the local citizens are currently dining on the brave yet foolish DHPD inside before wandering over to correct the Building Code Violation at the PD. SEND BACKUP!!! (with ketchup, please)--[[User:DoohickeyBones|DoohickeyBones]] 03:35, 30 April 2008 (BST)<br />
===Apr 25===<br />
The area is still firmly under the control of The Dead. I just completed a building search, and am on my next pass now.<br />
Along the way today, I ran across [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1233520|this guy]. Rejoice, for even though he erred in his initial character selection, I was able to correct his mistake. He can now play the game as a zombie. I am SUCH a giver!--[[User:DoohickeyBones|DoohickeyBones]] 15:21, 25 April 2008 (BST)<br />
===Apr 16===<br />
On the 14th, 'COMBAT REVIVE' managed to get in and CR the zombies at Dury and a few neighboring buildings. Reportedly, they also brought the cades to EHB. By the time I woke up, jumped out of a window, and wandered over, the cades were gone, and the NT building was...ruined (Shocking, I know).<br />
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I suspect this was the 'Big Uber Tactical Surprise' they were lining up for. Too bad they didn't bother to show up for their own party.<br />
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This morning, I walked my rotting carcass around and into each PD and hospital...no signs of life whatsoever.<br />
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We must remain ever vigilant that survivors don't ninja their way in to DH and spend 20 or so AP on each of us, so that we have to spend 4 AP to die and stand up again. If they keep those elite tactics up, I'm ''just not sure'' how long we can hold out!<br />
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A request to the CR peeps: Please barricade a few more buildings. It gives us something to do while hanging around to welcome survivors.--[[User:DoohickeyBones|DoohickeyBones]] 16:39, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Unfortunately that was [[COMBAT REVIVE|our]] goodbye orgy<sub>(for the suburb)</sub>, you'll note that that kind of thing very much isn't our normal way of doing things, we fully expected it to be ruined and but thought it would be a bit unfair for us to leave without giving you poor zombies something to do and someone to eat before going. With our reason for being here having itself stopped being there a few days ago we felt we'd overstayed our welcome a bit.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:55, 16 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Apr 11===<br />
There is a horde of forty-five other zombies here. <br />
You recognize Marty Banks and Cisisero amongst them.<br />
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I can only imagine just how long these fellas stayed as corpses trying to plan for yet another pointless run on Dunell Hills. Seriously guys give it up. Go after '''Butt'''onville--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 19:19, 11 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:To be fair, they seem to have actually tried this time. They even brought some friends along, too. It's too bad I could see through their plans and knew what they were going to do before even they did. --{{User:Laughing Man/Sig}} 20:05, 11 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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:Wait, I thought DHPD was a survivor group? Aren't they supposed to be, ya know, alive or something?<br />
:They should probably go find a Revive Point to Mrh? in or something.--[[User:DoohickeyBones|DoohickeyBones]] 20:11, 11 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::Remember to wear a dress on BBQ Nights every Thursday and Saturday. --[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 21:56, 11 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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===Mar 3===<br />
Edited from:<br />
''The last few days have seen a dramatic decrease in zombie presence, almost as if they have gotten bored defending the same dead suburb for almost four months and have found something better to do. At the same time survivors make slow progress in reclaiming buildings, focusing primarily on schools and railway stations. With the zombie overlords finally allowing them back it will only be a matter of time before the suburb is repopulated. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 16:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)''<br />
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== Moved From [[Talk:Suburb]]==<br />
== [[Dunell Hills]] talk ==<br />
:The DHPD launched a highly coordinated offensive against the standing zeds of Dunell Hills. A few resource buildings are still in zed hands, namely the Dury building with 5 zeds inside. However over 2/3's of the suburbs buildings are barricaded and many officers have yet to die in the week since we launched the attack. Not much in the way of an organized horde. Downgrading to Dangerous. -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 22:42, 2 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I would be hesitant on trusting this report or downgrading any perceived danger level. From my brief tour just a few minutes ago I saw maybe half of the suburb at most is repaired and most of those buildings are barely barricaded if not wide open. Once the zombie presence actually cares enough to notice things will change real quick. Please stop lying to people just so you can be a hero. --[[User:John Fraker|John Fraker]] 23:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC) <br />
:::Regardless, the downgrade has been scrutinized, and accepted. With proof. -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 09:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::proof doesnt mean word of mouth, post screenshots for proof --[[User:Cymoro|Cymoro]] 16:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::You can post screenshots, you're apparently in the area ;) Notice how none of you bother with that? -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 17:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::Notice how you didn't either? You're the one who changed the danger level you're the one who provides the proof. Asking otherwise is illogical and outright stupid.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 18:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Stop vandalizing the wiki Cisisero. You are the one lobbying for a status change against several other eyewitnesses who say half the suburb is ruined. You have the burden of proof by showing a few screenshots. Otherwise, stop vandalizing the wiki to prove whatever sad little point you're trying to prove by shading the grid in a different color. [[User:Addison Strack|Addison Strack]] 18:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
Wow. All of your asshatery knows no bounds apparently. How many other groups do you scrutinize like this? Im sorry, we must be that incompetent, good thing we dont do anything else like try to hold forts or malls or something. Here are screens I was able to have captured view: [http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q218/Cisisero/3.jpg Here], <br />
[http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q218/Cisisero/1.jpg and Here].<br />
As for the fact that you cannot see all the barricade levels on every single building in survivor hands I am sorry. Let me list them for you:<br />
* St. Justin's Hospital - HB<br />
* Newten Cinema - EHB<br />
* the Stone Motel - VSB<br />
* the Hatson Building - HB<br />
* the Mashman Building - QSB<br />
* Newbury Library - EHB<br />
* Dewfall Plaza Railway Station - HB<br />
* a factory - HB<br />
* Brendan General Hospital - EHB<br />
* Club Meade - QSB<br />
* the Fortune Building - HB <br />
* Eckersley Cinema - HB<br />
* Broadbelt Grove Police Department - HB<br />
* Yea Drive Police Department - VSB<br />
* Lolley Library - LB<br />
* Lucius General Hospital - LB<br />
There's not to much more I am going to be able to offer in the way of "proof" -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 22:03, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::It's cute that you had to be dragged out to show proof of your edit and then you act as if it's somehow 'bad' to have evidence. I guess I was mistaken in holding DHPD to higher standards.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 22:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Have fun kitten pilling with all your friends! Im so glad you finally accept us. :* -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 22:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::What the hell are you talking about? 'Kitten pilling'? What does that have to do with Suburb Safety? You obviously don't know how to respond with intelligence nor integrity.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 22:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Nothing Scooby, im not talking about anything at all. All I was saying is that Its nice to know we finally made believers out of everyone! Its as my friend always says, keep trying for that rainbow and one day you'll make it! As for now, DH is a safer place. That can be changed. Im not denying it. -- [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 22:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Your suburb is owned and your childish attempts of retaking it have failed. Your mindless gibberish is wasted on deaf ears. Are you high? --[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 19:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC) <br />
::::::Practically all of those buildings are either wide open or ruined, but feel free to keep deluding yourself. --[[User:Sykic|Sykic]] 23:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::lol cisisero have fun eating our leftovers you sack of shit [[User:Juan carlos|Juan carlos]] 00:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::Hell, while I'm here I might as well throw [http://xs125.xs.to/xs125/08102/denialhills920.jpg this] out. The horrible compression was a mistake on my part, but it gets the point across (or at least it should, I won't hold my breath).<br />
:::::::that map is highly inaccurate, the Hatson Building, Dewfall Plaza Railway Station and Lolley Library are all ruined. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 19:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::It's 8 hours old, that's my excuse. Also in before someone signs my post for me because they have nothing else better to do. --[[User:Sykic|Sykic]] 20:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
Its hard to find a building that isn't ruined. Also Cisisero, thanks for letting your guy stand there while mine kept hitting him.--[[User:Tom Flesheater|Tom Flesheater]] 00:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:What do you expect from a One Trick Pony? DHPD's level of cognitive dissonance is appalling. You guys should try getting a job at FOX News.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 03:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
I've been out of the area for a bit, but if the DHPD made significant in-roads into Dunnell Hills, there's no sign at all of them now. Suburb looks no different than my last report a week ago - a undead-filled wasteland, devoid of any sign of life. --[[User:Tempest56|Tempest56]] 22:05 GMT, 8 March 2008<br />
:That seems to be SOP for the DHPD. Of course, any day they don't wake up dead must be a good one for them. So now they'll repair a building and spin it to make it seem like a brilliant victory and we'll laugh at them before killing them again. And in this way the cycle of hilarity continues. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 23:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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So is the consensus that it's a very dangerous place to be right now?--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:yep--[[User:Cymoro|Cymoro]] 10:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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So when is the DHPD going to make another heroic attempt to retake the suburb they're named after? My zombie is getting hungry.--[[User:Tom Flesheater|Tom Flesheater]] 04:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:If you're that hungry and lazy go to the Stone Motel [0-37]. That's where I'm camped out. Low Rates and free HBO. --[[User:JSaysNo|JSaysNo]] 22:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, it's funny watching losers get a kick out of 'proving people wrong'. Specially when they're SA Goons who get a kick out of ruining people's fun and would for the most part be happiest if everyone stopped logging into Urban Dead out of 'fear' of them. (snerk). And it's ESPECIALLY funny when a moderator of the UDWiki backs their side. ;) [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 19:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Proper sentence structure is your friend you illiterate chimp. I thought schools were good in the UK but you're a good example of the contrary. Does it make you feel bad that you're part of the biggest joke of a group in UrbanDead? It's been almost a year and we still own your suburb. Funny how you still own the wiki page for no apparent reason though. That's class!--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 23:20, 2 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::Oh wow, you actually just resorted to insulting my grammar. What a complete fucking faggot. Is that what you fall back on when you honestly can't think of anything more clever to say? It came out like that because I was typing fast, believe it or not some of us left school a long while ago and have better things to do than troll the UD wiki all day long, trying to offend the half dozen or so members of the DHPD that can actually be arsed to come over here when the wiki is largely populated by pre-pubescent, whiny faggots that spend all day on their computer looking at midget porn and arguing with other people because 'owning a suburb' in some low tech browser game actually, my god, gives their life VALIDATION. GET A FUCKING LIFE. You guys are laughing cos we take it 'too seriously', and yet here you are, dedicating time to arguing over something as pathetic as whether a link on the UDwiki is supposed to be there. You've coded Firefox extensions, you've divided yourselves into sub-groups and given yourselves cute little apocalypse names and set up a 'Goon High Command'. I find people that argue on the internet like it somehow proves them to be manly and powerful an endless source of amusement. ;) [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 10:57, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::We really need to start keeping a record of every time you geniuses meltdown. This is some funny shit. And thanks for the $10 just so you can see what we're doing. Perhaps you could let us know your username so we can start a wall of retards. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 15:17, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::I know right? I like her complete 180 with 'ME TOO BUZI ME SCHOOL SMERT' to 'BY THE WAY I'VE JOIND SA AND NOEW READ YOUR THREAD 24/7'. It's hilarious how easy it is to force them reveal themselves as the fruitcakes they are. Nice that the UK goofball let us know there's only 6 active members in the DHPD left too.--[[User:ScoobyDooDoobie|ScoobyDooDoobie]] 19:17, 3 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:::::::Hehe, we don't have to pay $10 dumbass. Plenty of people in the DHPD have SA accounts from long before the fee was introduced. And I was trying to say that you only see half a dozen DHPD here cos no one actually gives two craps about the lame little wiki or suburb pages or group links or whatever the fuck. At last count we had 49 active members on our forum, plus a few others here and there. Yeah it's not as many as it used to be but meh, UD is well past its maturation stage in into decline. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 09:35, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
::::::::I've noticed everyone who's bought an account to spy on us always says the same thing. "Durrr, we already had this account before now." Yet somehow they never seem to want to prove it. Hell, just a post in the thread would be enough but I doubt we'll see even that. Too bad there's no toxx clause here, but I doubt Conndraka would let his little butthurt friends get banned anyway. --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 14:38, 4 April 2008 (BST)<br />
:Police Department buildings in Dunell Hills make wonderful zombie homes -[[User:Killbottom|Killbottom]]<br />
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::I hear PDs in Hawaii are also lovely this time of year... [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 13:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Broadbelt Grove PD, while ruined, has secured doors. I would open them to check it out but I'm level 1.--[[User:SALurker|SALurker]] 17:06, 5 April 2008 (BST)<br />
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== 1 Year ==<br />
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Wow, [[Dunell_Hills/News_Archive#November_14th| one year ago]] a group (1,500) of crazy kids and their big dreams moved into DH with the hope to shake things up and make a name for themselves. Happy Anniversary of the Dead first conquering DH/DMZ. GG NM!--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]''' <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 15:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Yea....My ass still hasn't recovered. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 00:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
::a year already? happy anniversary! [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 00:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== History ==<br />
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A brief history of Dunnel Hills can be found [[History of Dunell Hills| here.]]--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 19:48, 8 October 2009 (BST)<br />
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==Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010==<br />
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|sigposter={{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 07:27, 27 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== GSGM 2011 ==<br />
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==Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011==<br />
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-Yeah, The Dead are still very active in DH, as well as the whole DMZ, as we stated on our group page. -[[User:Beans McCoy|Beans McCoy]] 00:43, 2 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for your reply here and on your group page, I've updated this list accordingly and you will be kept on the suburb listing.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 18:39, 4 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
Thank you to everyone who helped. The great suburb group massacre has finished and as a result [[Dunell Hills Liberation Army]], [[Hard Knock Life]] and [[U.B.C.S]] have been removed from the suburb group listing.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 14:47, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== DHPD Removal from Groups Active in Dunell Hills ==<br />
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The main body of the DHPD are not, for obvious reasons (i.e. we can calculate odds and work out that taking on an opponent 10 times as large as we are is not only stupidity bordering on the suicidal but also basically ''not fun''), operating in Dunell Hills on a regular basis at the moment. We continue to consider the suburb our home base, have a few officers still in the area doing basic scouting and helping where they can, and will resume regular operations there once it isn't clearly mind-numbingly stupid to do so. <br />
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The Dead clearly feel very strongly that this wiki is terribly compromised if the DHPD are listed as active in Dunell Hills whenever fewer than a dozen officers are present in the suburb. We are not really all that fussed exactly which group is listed on which wiki template. This being the case we are not going to get into an edit war over whether we should be listed as active in the surburb or not. Really, if this is so desperately important to the Dead, then we are happy for them to trumpet the fact that with 1500 zombies at their command they managed to keep fewer than 100 survivors out of a single suburb on the map for a couple of months. {{User:Louise/PCatSig}} 16:50, 9 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:3 years. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Sykic]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 17:11, 9 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:[[Image:abloobloobloo.gif]]--{{User:Gardenator/sig}} 08:07, 20 May 2011 (BST)<br />
:Correction: We are keeping several thousand survivors out of several dozen suburbs for a few months. You guys we keep out with an uncoordinated group of zombies that are mostly too lazy to go to the current feeding grounds. Hate to make you feel less important but DH has been a side project at best since the March started. --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Laughing Man]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 22:20, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Removal of DHPD Listing from Active Groups: A Clarification ==<br />
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It appears our previous statement was open to misinterpretation. For the record we do not, in any way, shape or form, agree that we are not a group active in Dunell Hills. However we do not consider this wiki template worth the grief involved in an edit war. {{User:Louise/PCatSig}} 21:49, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
: so your saying you are active?--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 22:22, 31 May 2011 (BST)<br />
::Yep, we're still active. [[User:Cyrus Hanley|Cyrus Hanley]] 02:54, 1 June 2011 (BST)<br />
:::I just want to be 100%. You guys are saying you are actively doing stuff, as a coordinated group, in dunell hills. Not just that your group is still active or that you might have various random members in the area? Because that's what that template is there to represent, that you have a visible presence in the suburb. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:18, 1 June 2011 (BST)<br />
::::Hi Karek. Thanks for taking the time to drop in to clarify. We do consider ourselves to be active in the suburb and to have a coordinated presence. While realise that our not being listed on the template may not be inline with the actual intent behind group listings, but we are not willing to enter into a petty argument with over this. While we do not agree with the edit in question, we are not seeking to change it at this time. Nor will we seek to engage in a debate as to whether we are active or coordinated - it would seem that the dead have much more time on their hands than we are willing to put into such a discussion. [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 05:41, 1 June 2011 (BST)<br />
If you don't care then why did you edit it in the first place? And then keep editing it? And then post all this? Maybe you should stop caring about how much you don't care~ --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Vasari]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:SA|<span style="color:#0018ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 04:08, 2 June 2011 (BST)</div>Vasarihttps://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template:Dunell_Hills_Groups&diff=1896559Template:Dunell Hills Groups2011-05-30T23:10:42Z<p>Vasari: http://www.yyyup.com/</p>
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'''Dunell Hills''' is a [[suburb]] of [[Malton]] built by wealthy Malton business leaders between 1880 and 1920, located in the west of the city. The district is listed in the National Register of Historic Places. It is also listed in the Undead Public Records of Commerce and Business. Copies can be found in the back of the Dury Building.<br />
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Resting on the very outskirts of Malton, the Hills was a small community that had generally kept to itself. The suburb supported several clinics and research hospitals and as such had a brisk medical trade in the area.<br />
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The suburb contains only one NecroTech facility: [[the Dury Building]]. It does, however, boast an impressive 6 hospitals, as well as 3 police stations, 3 factories and an Auto Shop. Dunell Hills is also home to historical site [[Club Meade]] -- one of the more famous [[RP]] bars in Malton -- when the suburb is not in zombie hands. <br />
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Hometown to the [[DHPD]] the "Hills" are also infamous as the birthplace of mega horde [[The Dead]] and site of bitter rivalry between the two that has destroyed much of the town's infrastructure and former reputation as a safezone for survivors.<br />
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==Resource Buildings==<br />
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{{User:DangerReport/Brendan General Hospital (Dunell Hills)|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Catherine General Hospital (Dunell Hills)|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Lucius General Hospital (Dunell Hills)|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/St. Justin's Hospital|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Stephen General Hospital|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Zephyrinus General Hospital (Dunell Hills)|template=TRP Status}}<br />
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{{User:DangerReport/Broadbelt Grove Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Cotty Street Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Yea Drive Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
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{{User:DangerReport/Factory 2,33|template=TRP Status Factory}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Factory 4,37|template=TRP Status Factory}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Factory 9,38|template=TRP Status Factory}}<br />
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{{User:DangerReport/Billet Auto Repair|template=TRP Status}}<br />
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*[[Bigg Boulevard]] (3,32)<br />
*[[Coffins Drive]] (0,35)<br />
*[[Gould Walk]] (0,34)<br />
*[[Leader Drive]] (7,39)<br />
*[[Molesworth Road]] (5,37)<br />
*[[Ritchie Boulevard]] (4,39)<br />
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*[[St. Lorenzo's Church (Dunell Hills)|St. Lorenzo's Church]] (6,37)<br />
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==[[Image:AquaInfo.jpg|left|22px]]{{PAGENAME}} Information Resources==<br />
[[Image:AquaInfo.jpg|left|75px]]The [[Building Information Center/{{PAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}} Building Information Center]] contains status reports and updates on key buildings in the suburb.<br />
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View zombie activity and locations in {{PAGENAME}} from [[EMRP:_{{PAGENAME}}|External Military Reports]] and [[NecroWatch/A_to_D#Dunell Hills|NecroWatch]]. <!-- WATCH OUT: reference to left can't contain PAGENAME! --><br />
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==[[Image:AquaReviv.jpg|left|22px]]Revive Requests==<br />
At least one survivor group advertises a revive request queue for this suburb.<br />
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[http://dhpdforums.proboards67.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=302 DHPD Queue] - Status: Dangerous (By Request Only)<br />
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==A Brief History of Dunell Hills After the Outbreak==<br />
Dunell Hills, a small quiet community that had always kept to itself, rests on the very outskirts of Malton. It was during a town meeting at [[Godsland Street School]] that the quarantine of the area was instituted and as such the local population could not organize themselves before they were practically decimated by various waves of zombies that swept through the suburb.<br />
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After the initial chaos and bloody slaughter a group calling itself the [[DHPD|Dunell Hills Police Department]], after the city's pre-outbreak police force and formed from remnants of emergency services, military, and survivor militia, established this suburb as the heart of the [[DMZ|Dunell Military Zone]], in what eventually became 6 borough region which they have pledged to patrol and defend.<br />
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Since the Fall of Caiger Mall, Dunell Hills has often been a very dangerous suburb, at certain points completely devoid of life. This was initially caused when many of the zombies drawn to Caiger Mall chose to remain in the region; since then local survivors have been under almost constant siege -- including fierce battles with [[Extinction]] in 2007 and the arrival en masse of [[The Dead]] in 2008, the latter having vowed never to permit survivors to reside in Dunell Hills again.<br />
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The Dead, in fact, succeeded in making Dunell Hills a wasteland from November 2007 to September 2008. Although there were several concerted attempts by different survivor groups to retake the suburb during this time, none of these incursions met with more than transitory and limited success. At the end of this period, repair costs averaged around 50 AP, with some buildings in the high 90s. However, the latter half of September 2008 saw the DHPD, the Crimson Clan, the Malton Rangers and other survivors move back into the 'Hills', establishing a stable survivor "beachhead" for the first time in over a year. The Dead returned in mid-October and the two sides engaged in a bloody battle which resulted in the [[DHPD]] being pushed out of the suburb by November 2008; the area was subsequently placed into a state of ruin once again; ever since that period the suburb has continued to change hands on an almost constant basis.<br />
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The current state of Dunell Hills is in flux, and may always be -- with victories large and small for both sides, and the major local groups continuing to make Dunell Hills a constant and sometimes violent battleground.<br />
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==[[Image:AquaNews.jpg|left|22px]]Recent News==<br />
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===May===<br />
====May 30<sup>th</sup>====<br />
Most of the suburb is ruined, but The Dury Building has been repaired and Barricaded with survivors inside. [[User:Codeist|Codeist]] 22:08, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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The survivors have been cleared out and the Dury Building has been ruined again. http://i.imgur.com/Ss7oC.png --<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Vasari]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Gardenator|<span style="color:#808000">&#124;</span>]][[User:ephphatha |<span style="color:#0000ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 23:55, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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====May 25<sup>th</sup>====<br />
"... can see about forty on the streets of Dunell Hills ... mostly just small groups ... no lights on down there ... the whole suburb's wrecked ... the Dury Building has fallen - repeat, the Dury Building has fallen ..." [[User:Scanty|Sukyanti ]] 11:13, 25 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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====May 11<sup>th</sup>====<br />
"... can see a couple of dozen on the streets of Dunell Hills ... they're just wandering around ... no lights on down there ... the whole suburb's wrecked ... the Dury Building has fallen - repeat, the Dury Building has fallen ..." [[User:Scanty|Sukyanti]] 20:33, 11 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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====May 7<sup>th</sup>====<br />
"... can see thirty or so on the streets of Dunell Hills ... mostly just small groups ... no lights on down there ... the whole suburb's wrecked ... the Dury Building has fallen - repeat, the Dury Building has fallen ..." [[User:Scanty|Sukyanti]] 20:15, 7 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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====May 3<sup>rd</sup>====<br />
Suburb still ruined, water still wet.--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:Achtunggoonden.png|Achtung! Goonden!|link=User:YourName]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#99ffff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone |<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 21:11, 3 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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===April===<br />
====April 15<sup>th</sup>====<br />
There are a grand total of four buildings not currently empty and ruined. These do not include a single resource building, nor a single powered building, nor anything of any strategic value. Mobs of zombies are busy hammering down those barricades anyway. The free-running lanes into the suburb have been cut off, and the surrounding suburbs are equally devastated. There is no survivor presence within the suburb at all. If there has been an attempt to "reclaim" the suburb by a certain group who hasn't been able to do so for the past ''three years'', then it has gone more or less unnoticed. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 06:27, 15 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1888016| DHPD Officer 666] and [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1890441| Officer Alcoholic] do not represent the DHPD. Any reports from them are not based on information held by the DHPD. The DHPD considers any information they provide to be suspect at best and outright fabrication at worst. We recommend survivors do not act on any information they provide. {{User:Louise/PCatSig}} 09:24, 15 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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====April 6<sup>th</sup>====<br />
25.96 MHz: "... can see nearly a hundred on the streets of Dunell Hills ... a few big groups, but they're spread out ... only one building with lights on ... the whole suburb's wrecked ... the Dury Building is out of action ..." --{{User:N0RDAK/Sig}} 08:25, 6 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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====April 2<sup>st</sup>====<br />
It is impossible to walk the streets of Dunell Hills. Dangerous does not begin to cover it. Zeds everywhere. Destruction everywhere. No resources. I believe there are currently no survivors in Dunell Hills. Recommend that everyone avoid Dunell Hills until the DHPD can regroup and clean house. --[[User:DHPD Officer 666|DHPD Officer 666]] 23:54, 2 April 2011 (EST)<br />
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====April 1<sup>st</sup>====<br />
Less than 72 hours later, Dunell Hills is once more a dead zone. Of the 56 buildings in the suburb, only 5 are intact as of this report, 2 of which are open and 1 only lightly barricaded. Groups of undead sighted from the street of up to a dozen, overall count outside was ~70 with more expected inside. Suburb is extremely dangerous. --{{User:Tempest56}} 15:19, 1 April 2011 (EST)<br />
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===March===<br />
====March 31<sup>st</sup>====<br />
Suburb was mostly in survivor hands as of yesterday. However, The Dead appear to have staged a major resurgence and the number of active undead in the Hills has doubled or more in the last 24 hours. Entire area around Dury has been demolished, with multiple break-ins across the area. NW quadrant is currently still safe, but the SE is almost totally destroyed and the SW is being hit hard. Situation is still developing. Neighboring suburbs are suggested to be on alert for spill-over. --{{User:Tempest56}} 10:20, 31 March 2011 (EST)<br />
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====March 24<sup>th</sup>====<br />
The fighting in Dunell Hills seems to have stabilised to an impasse - the majority of buildings and resource points in the suburb are now barricaded and lit, although breakins continue to happen regularly all across the suburb. The central resource buildings remain in zombie hands for the majority of the time, although survivors frequently clear up to 18 zeds at a time to reclaim them before they're ruined again within hours. Hundreds of survivors continue to operate in the suburb, with revive queues dealt with in a timely manner. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 23:08, 24 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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====March 17<sup>th</sup>====<br />
Intense fighting continues. At the moment most major resource buildings are ruined, but there's a constant stream of survivor incursions. The undead appear to have the current advantage thanks to holding Dury and the surrounding buildings with large numbers, but there are survivor footholds in other parts of the suburb. Fighting is likely to continue for some time. --{{User:Tempest56}} 01:33, 17 March 2011 (EST)<br />
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====March 8<sup>th</sup>====<br />
The Hills have been turned into a war zone again. The DHPD appears to have rallied a large number of allies to their cause - The Fortress, Army Control Corps, Knights Templar and Soldiers of Crossman have all been spotted in the suburb during fighting in the last day or two. Multiple buildings are up and barricaded (sometimes even lit), but The Dead and assorted others are keeping a near-constant assault on resource buildings. It's unclear at this time which has the advantage, though the survivors seem to currently have a lead in numbers. --{{User:Tempest56}} 14:19, 8 March 2011 (EDT)<br />
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==[[Image:AquaBarricade.jpg|left|22px]]Barricade Plan==<br />
{{Dunell Hills Barricade Plan}}<br />
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==[[Image:AquaCompass.jpg|left|22px]]Suburb Map==<br />
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'''Dunell Hills''' is a [[suburb]] of [[Malton]] built by wealthy Malton business leaders between 1880 and 1920, located in the west of the city. The district is listed in the National Register of Historic Places. It is also listed in the Undead Public Records of Commerce and Business. Copies can be found in the back of the Dury Building.<br />
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Resting on the very outskirts of Malton, the Hills was a small community that had generally kept to itself. The suburb supported several clinics and research hospitals and as such had a brisk medical trade in the area.<br />
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The suburb contains only one NecroTech facility: [[the Dury Building]]. It does, however, boast an impressive 6 hospitals, as well as 3 police stations, 3 factories and an Auto Shop. Dunell Hills is also home to historical site [[Club Meade]] -- one of the more famous [[RP]] bars in Malton -- when the suburb is not in zombie hands. <br />
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Hometown to the [[DHPD]] the "Hills" are also infamous as the birthplace of mega horde [[The Dead]] and site of bitter rivalry between the two that has destroyed much of the town's infrastructure and former reputation as a safezone for survivors.<br />
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==Resource Buildings==<br />
{{TRP List<br />
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{{User:DangerReport/The Dury Building (Dunell Hills)|template=TRP Status}}<br />
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{{User:DangerReport/Brendan General Hospital (Dunell Hills)|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Catherine General Hospital (Dunell Hills)|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Lucius General Hospital (Dunell Hills)|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/St. Justin's Hospital|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Stephen General Hospital|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Zephyrinus General Hospital (Dunell Hills)|template=TRP Status}}<br />
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{{User:DangerReport/Broadbelt Grove Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Cotty Street Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Yea Drive Police Department|template=TRP Status}}<br />
|Factories=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Factory 2,33|template=TRP Status Factory}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Factory 4,37|template=TRP Status Factory}}<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Factory 9,38|template=TRP Status Factory}}<br />
|ARSs=<br />
{{User:DangerReport/Billet Auto Repair|template=TRP Status}}<br />
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*None<br />
|Boards=<br />
*[[Bigg Boulevard]] (3,32)<br />
*[[Coffins Drive]] (0,35)<br />
*[[Gould Walk]] (0,34)<br />
*[[Leader Drive]] (7,39)<br />
*[[Molesworth Road]] (5,37)<br />
*[[Ritchie Boulevard]] (4,39)<br />
|RPs=<br />
*[[Coffins Drive]] (0,35)<br />
*[[St. Lorenzo's Church (Dunell Hills)|St. Lorenzo's Church]] (6,37)<br />
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==[[Image:AquaInfo.jpg|left|22px]]{{PAGENAME}} Information Resources==<br />
[[Image:AquaInfo.jpg|left|75px]]The [[Building Information Center/{{PAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}} Building Information Center]] contains status reports and updates on key buildings in the suburb.<br />
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View zombie activity and locations in {{PAGENAME}} from [[EMRP:_{{PAGENAME}}|External Military Reports]] and [[NecroWatch/A_to_D#Dunell Hills|NecroWatch]]. <!-- WATCH OUT: reference to left can't contain PAGENAME! --><br />
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==[[Image:AquaReviv.jpg|left|22px]]Revive Requests==<br />
At least one survivor group advertises a revive request queue for this suburb.<br />
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[http://dhpdforums.proboards67.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=302 DHPD Queue] - Status: Dangerous (By Request Only)<br />
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{{Revivification Requests}}<br />
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==A Brief History of Dunell Hills After the Outbreak==<br />
Dunell Hills, a small quiet community that had always kept to itself, rests on the very outskirts of Malton. It was during a town meeting at [[Godsland Street School]] that the quarantine of the area was instituted and as such the local population could not organize themselves before they were practically decimated by various waves of zombies that swept through the suburb.<br />
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After the initial chaos and bloody slaughter a group calling itself the [[DHPD|Dunell Hills Police Department]], after the city's pre-outbreak police force and formed from remnants of emergency services, military, and survivor militia, established this suburb as the heart of the [[DMZ|Dunell Military Zone]], in what eventually became 6 borough region which they have pledged to patrol and defend.<br />
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Since the Fall of Caiger Mall, Dunell Hills has often been a very dangerous suburb, at certain points completely devoid of life. This was initially caused when many of the zombies drawn to Caiger Mall chose to remain in the region; since then local survivors have been under almost constant siege -- including fierce battles with [[Extinction]] in 2007 and the arrival en masse of [[The Dead]] in 2008, the latter having vowed never to permit survivors to reside in Dunell Hills again.<br />
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The Dead, in fact, succeeded in making Dunell Hills a wasteland from November 2007 to September 2008. Although there were several concerted attempts by different survivor groups to retake the suburb during this time, none of these incursions met with more than transitory and limited success. At the end of this period, repair costs averaged around 50 AP, with some buildings in the high 90s. However, the latter half of September 2008 saw the DHPD, the Crimson Clan, the Malton Rangers and other survivors move back into the 'Hills', establishing a stable survivor "beachhead" for the first time in over a year. The Dead returned in mid-October and the two sides engaged in a bloody battle which resulted in the [[DHPD]] being pushed out of the suburb by November 2008; the area was subsequently placed into a state of ruin once again; ever since that period the suburb has continued to change hands on an almost constant basis.<br />
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The current state of Dunell Hills is in flux, and may always be -- with victories large and small for both sides, and the major local groups continuing to make Dunell Hills a constant and sometimes violent battleground.<br />
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==[[Image:AquaNews.jpg|left|22px]]Recent News==<br />
{{BurbNewsIntro}}<br />
===May===<br />
====May 30<sup>th</sup>====<br />
Most of the suburb is ruined, but The Dury Building has been repaired and Barricaded with survivors inside. [[User:Codeist|Codeist]] 22:08, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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The survivors have been cleared out and the Dury Building has been ruined again. http://i.imgur.com/Ss7oC.png --[[file:555Manbabies.gif]] 23:10, 30 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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====May 25<sup>th</sup>====<br />
"... can see about forty on the streets of Dunell Hills ... mostly just small groups ... no lights on down there ... the whole suburb's wrecked ... the Dury Building has fallen - repeat, the Dury Building has fallen ..." [[User:Scanty|Sukyanti ]] 11:13, 25 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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====May 11<sup>th</sup>====<br />
"... can see a couple of dozen on the streets of Dunell Hills ... they're just wandering around ... no lights on down there ... the whole suburb's wrecked ... the Dury Building has fallen - repeat, the Dury Building has fallen ..." [[User:Scanty|Sukyanti]] 20:33, 11 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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====May 7<sup>th</sup>====<br />
"... can see thirty or so on the streets of Dunell Hills ... mostly just small groups ... no lights on down there ... the whole suburb's wrecked ... the Dury Building has fallen - repeat, the Dury Building has fallen ..." [[User:Scanty|Sukyanti]] 20:15, 7 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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====May 3<sup>rd</sup>====<br />
Suburb still ruined, water still wet.--<span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:Achtunggoonden.png|Achtung! Goonden!|link=User:YourName]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#99ffff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone |<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]]</span> 21:11, 3 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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===April===<br />
====April 15<sup>th</sup>====<br />
There are a grand total of four buildings not currently empty and ruined. These do not include a single resource building, nor a single powered building, nor anything of any strategic value. Mobs of zombies are busy hammering down those barricades anyway. The free-running lanes into the suburb have been cut off, and the surrounding suburbs are equally devastated. There is no survivor presence within the suburb at all. If there has been an attempt to "reclaim" the suburb by a certain group who hasn't been able to do so for the past ''three years'', then it has gone more or less unnoticed. --{{User:Katthew/Sig}} 06:27, 15 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1888016| DHPD Officer 666] and [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1890441| Officer Alcoholic] do not represent the DHPD. Any reports from them are not based on information held by the DHPD. The DHPD considers any information they provide to be suspect at best and outright fabrication at worst. We recommend survivors do not act on any information they provide. {{User:Louise/PCatSig}} 09:24, 15 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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====April 6<sup>th</sup>====<br />
25.96 MHz: "... can see nearly a hundred on the streets of Dunell Hills ... a few big groups, but they're spread out ... only one building with lights on ... the whole suburb's wrecked ... the Dury Building is out of action ..." --{{User:N0RDAK/Sig}} 08:25, 6 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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====April 2<sup>st</sup>====<br />
It is impossible to walk the streets of Dunell Hills. Dangerous does not begin to cover it. Zeds everywhere. Destruction everywhere. No resources. I believe there are currently no survivors in Dunell Hills. Recommend that everyone avoid Dunell Hills until the DHPD can regroup and clean house. --[[User:DHPD Officer 666|DHPD Officer 666]] 23:54, 2 April 2011 (EST)<br />
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====April 1<sup>st</sup>====<br />
Less than 72 hours later, Dunell Hills is once more a dead zone. Of the 56 buildings in the suburb, only 5 are intact as of this report, 2 of which are open and 1 only lightly barricaded. Groups of undead sighted from the street of up to a dozen, overall count outside was ~70 with more expected inside. Suburb is extremely dangerous. --{{User:Tempest56}} 15:19, 1 April 2011 (EST)<br />
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===March===<br />
====March 31<sup>st</sup>====<br />
Suburb was mostly in survivor hands as of yesterday. However, The Dead appear to have staged a major resurgence and the number of active undead in the Hills has doubled or more in the last 24 hours. Entire area around Dury has been demolished, with multiple break-ins across the area. NW quadrant is currently still safe, but the SE is almost totally destroyed and the SW is being hit hard. Situation is still developing. Neighboring suburbs are suggested to be on alert for spill-over. --{{User:Tempest56}} 10:20, 31 March 2011 (EST)<br />
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====March 24<sup>th</sup>====<br />
The fighting in Dunell Hills seems to have stabilised to an impasse - the majority of buildings and resource points in the suburb are now barricaded and lit, although breakins continue to happen regularly all across the suburb. The central resource buildings remain in zombie hands for the majority of the time, although survivors frequently clear up to 18 zeds at a time to reclaim them before they're ruined again within hours. Hundreds of survivors continue to operate in the suburb, with revive queues dealt with in a timely manner. [[User:Ezekiel UK|Ezekiel UK]] 23:08, 24 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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====March 17<sup>th</sup>====<br />
Intense fighting continues. At the moment most major resource buildings are ruined, but there's a constant stream of survivor incursions. The undead appear to have the current advantage thanks to holding Dury and the surrounding buildings with large numbers, but there are survivor footholds in other parts of the suburb. Fighting is likely to continue for some time. --{{User:Tempest56}} 01:33, 17 March 2011 (EST)<br />
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====March 8<sup>th</sup>====<br />
The Hills have been turned into a war zone again. The DHPD appears to have rallied a large number of allies to their cause - The Fortress, Army Control Corps, Knights Templar and Soldiers of Crossman have all been spotted in the suburb during fighting in the last day or two. Multiple buildings are up and barricaded (sometimes even lit), but The Dead and assorted others are keeping a near-constant assault on resource buildings. It's unclear at this time which has the advantage, though the survivors seem to currently have a lead in numbers. --{{User:Tempest56}} 14:19, 8 March 2011 (EDT)<br />
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==[[Image:AquaBarricade.jpg|left|22px]]Barricade Plan==<br />
{{Dunell Hills Barricade Plan}}<br />
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==[[Image:AquaCompass.jpg|left|22px]]Suburb Map==<br />
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NW_Suburb=NW|<br />
N_Suburb=[[Peddlesden_Village#Suburb_Map|N]]|<br />
NE_Suburb=[[Chudleyton#Suburb_Map|NE]]|<br />
W_Suburb=W|<br />
E_Suburb=[[West_Becktown#Suburb_Map|E]]|<br />
SW_Suburb=SW|<br />
S_Suburb=[[Owsleybank#Suburb_Map|S]]|<br />
SE_Suburb=[[Molebank#Suburb_Map|SE]]|<br />
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location2=[[Squires Crescent|Squires Crescent]]|location2_color=Street|<br />
location3=[[Catherine General Hospital (Dunell Hills)|Catherine General Hospital]]|location3_color=Hospital|<br />
location4=[[Side Alley|Side Alley]]|location4_color=Street|<br />
location5=[[Studley Towers]]|location5_color=Tower|<br />
location6=[[Hakens Way|Hakens Way]]|location6_color=Street|<br />
location7=[[Dalwood Lane|Dalwood Lane]]|location7_color=Street|<br />
location8=[[the Pettman Museum]]|location8_color=Museum|<br />
location9=[[Salt Towers]]|location9_color=Tower|<br />
location10=[[Wasteland 9,30|wasteland]]|location10_color=Wasteland|<br />
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location12=[[Club Swain]]|location12_color=Club|<br />
location13=[[St. Justin's Hospital]]|location13_color=Hospital|<br />
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location15=[[the Roger Hotel]]|location15_color=Hotel|<br />
location16=[[Clarry Towers]]|location16_color=Tower|<br />
location17=[[Main Walk|Main Walk]]|location17_color=Street|<br />
location18=[[Club Illing]]|location18_color=Club|<br />
location19=[[Henderson Boulevard|Henderson Boulevard]]|location19_color=Street|<br />
location20=[[Prinn Drive|Prinn Drive]]|location20_color=Street|<br />
location21=[[St. Luke's Church (Dunell Hills)|St. Luke's Church]]|location21_color=Church|<br />
location22=[[Raynols Boulevard|Raynols Boulevard]]|location22_color=Street|<br />
location23=[[the Puckle Monument|the Puckle Monument]]|location23_color=Monument|<br />
location24=[[Bigg Boulevard|Bigg Boulevard]]|location24_color=Street|<br />
location25=[[Stephen General Hospital]]|location25_color=Hospital|<br />
location26=[[Polley Grove|Polley Grove]]|location26_color=Street|<br />
location27=[[Brimson Alley Railway Station|Brimson Alley Railway Station]]|location27_color=Railway Station|<br />
location28=[[Powlet Grove|Powlet Grove]]|location28_color=Street|<br />
location29=[[Yea Drive Police Department]]|location29_color=Police Dept|<br />
location30=[[Lolley Library]]|location30_color=Library|<br />
location31=[[the Jacomb Arms]]|location31_color=Arms|<br />
location32=[[Cotty Street Police Department]]|location32_color=Police Dept|<br />
location33=[[Factory 2,33|a factory]]|location33_color=Factory|<br />
location34=[[the Neate Monument|the Neate Monument]]|location34_color=Monument|<br />
location35=[[Parsley Road|Parsley Road]]|location35_color=Street|<br />
location36=[[Craigie Alley|Craigie Alley]]|location36_color=Street|<br />
location37=[[St. Marcus's Church (Dunell Hills)|St. Marcus's Church]]|location37_color=Church|<br />
location38=[[Hilborn Walk|Hilborn Walk]]|location38_color=Street|<br />
location39=[[Eckersley Cinema]]|location39_color=Cinema|<br />
location40=[[Bendle Drive|Bendle Drive]]|location40_color=Street|<br />
location41=[[Gould Walk|Gould Walk]]|location41_color=Street|<br />
location42=[[the Heal Museum]]|location42_color=Museum|<br />
location43=[[Combe Lane (Dunell Hills)|Combe Lane]]|location43_color=Street|<br />
location44=[[Inclesdon Drive|Inclesdon Drive]]|location44_color=Street|<br />
location45=[[Junkyard 4,34|a junkyard]]|location45_color=Junkyard|<br />
location46=[[North Lane|North Lane]]|location46_color=Street|<br />
location47=[[Hartry Crescent|Hartry Crescent]]|location47_color=Street|<br />
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location50=[[the Golling Building]]|location50_color=Building|<br />
location51=[[Coffins Drive|Coffins Drive]]<br>RP|location51_color=Street|<br />
location52=[[Heming Way|Heming Way]]|location52_color=Street|<br />
location53=[[Dewfall Plaza Railway Station|Dewfall Plaza Railway Station]]|location53_color=Railway Station|<br />
location54=[[Swonnell Walk|Swonnell Walk]]|location54_color=Street|<br />
location55=[[Anderson Row School]]|location55_color=School|<br />
location56=[[Shilling Walk|Shilling Walk]]|location56_color=Street|<br />
location57=[[Billet Auto Repair]]|location57_color=Auto Repair|<br />
location58=[[Broadbelt Grove Police Department]]|location58_color=Police Dept|<br />
location59=[[Wasteland 8,35|wasteland]]|location59_color=Wasteland|<br />
location60=[[Ainslie Road Fire Station]]|location60_color=Fire Station|<br />
location61=[[Newten Cinema]]|location61_color=Cinema|<br />
location62=[[Wakley Boulevard|Wakley Boulevard]]|location62_color=Street|<br />
location63=[[Ostrehan Towers]]|location63_color=Tower|<br />
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location68=[[Club Meade|Club Meade]]|location68_color=Club|<br />
location69=[[Coorte Square|Coorte Square]]|location69_color=Street|<br />
location70=[[Standen Row|Standen Row]]|location70_color=Street|<br />
location71=[[the Stone Motel]]|location71_color=Hotel|<br />
location72=[[Neyens Avenue (Dunell Hills)|Neyens Avenue]]|location72_color=Street|<br />
location73=[[Newbury Library]]|location73_color=Library|<br />
location74=[[Arbuthnot Park|Arbuthnot Park]]|location74_color=Park|<br />
location75=[[Factory 4,37|a factory]]|location75_color=Factory|<br />
location76=[[Molesworth Road]]|location76_color=Street|<br />
location77=[[St. Lorenzo's Church (Dunell Hills)|St. Lorenzo's Church]]<br>RP|location77_color=Church|<br />
location78=[[Comer Avenue|Comer Avenue]]|location78_color=Street|<br />
location79=[[St. Mary's Church (Dunell Hills)|St. Mary's Church]]|location79_color=Church|<br />
location80=[[Glass Park|Glass Park]]|location80_color=Park|<br />
location81=[[the Hatson Building]]|location81_color=Building|<br />
location82=[[the Mashman Building]]|location82_color=Building|<br />
location83=[[Carpark 2,38|a carpark]]|location83_color=Carpark|<br />
location84=[[Horn Walk|Horn Walk]]|location84_color=Street|<br />
location85=[[Brendan General Hospital]]|location85_color=Hospital|<br />
location86=[[Penny Crescent|Penny Crescent]]|location86_color=Street|<br />
location87=[[Fullaway Crescent|Fullaway Crescent]]|location87_color=Street|<br />
location88=[[the Tibbs Monument|the Tibbs Monument]]|location88_color=Monument|<br />
location89=[[Cemetery 8,38|a cemetery]]|location89_color=Cemetery|<br />
location90=[[Factory 9,38|a factory]]|location90_color=Factory|<br />
location91=[[Bowley Lane|Bowley Lane]]|location91_color=Street|<br />
location92=[[Summers Row|Summers Row]]|location92_color=Street|<br />
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location94=[[Wasteland 3,39|wasteland]]|location94_color=Wasteland|<br />
location95=[[Ritchie Boulevard|Ritchie Boulevard]]|location95_color=Street|<br />
location96=[[Lucius General Hospital]]|location96_color=Hospital|<br />
location97=[[Wasteland 6,39|wasteland]]|location97_color=Wasteland|<br />
location98=[[Leader Drive|Leader Drive]]|location98_color=Street|<br />
location99=[[Bush Crescent Fire Station]]|location99_color=Fire Station|<br />
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