Category talk:Historical Events/Archive1

This page is an archive of Historical Events nominations. Voting is over for all these nominations.

Nominations

Battle of Blackmore

this already speaks for itself. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 05:13, 18 June 2007 (BST)

For (Battle of Blackmore)

Duh.--Lachryma^☭ 01:14, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yep.--User:Axe27/Sig 01:22, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 04:01, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Sure. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 12:35, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. ----Sexualharrison ^{MR• ה •T} 13:54, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --Zod Rhombus 15:09, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes --Marie^{The Grove on Tour} 15:46, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Obviously. --^T 16:42, 19 June 2007 (BST)
It was totally awesome. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 00:31, 21 June 2007 (BST)
I didn't like it but it was kinda significant I guess, at least in that it was the beginning of real NT sieges and defenses.--karek 07:35, 21 June 2007 (BST)
Man that was fun while it lasted.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 07:02, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Yep. --T oejam 07:55, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --Dorian Miller 12:49, 23 June 2007 (BST)
Yah. --Gut stench ^{FU BAR} 03:54, 23 June 2007 (BST)
Aye. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 00:48, 27 June 2007 (BST)
Yes -- Vista +1 21:12, 28 June 2007 (BST)

Against (Battle of Blackmore)

Voting Over! - The Battle of Blackmore Enters Historical Events! --Toejam 05:21, 10 July 2007 (BST)

First Siege of Caiger Mall

this already speaks for itself. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 05:13, 18 June 2007 (BST)

For (First Siege of Caiger Mall)

Duh.--Lachryma^☭ 01:14, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yep.--User:Axe27/Sig 01:22, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Given. --karek 03:53, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 04:01, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Sure. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 12:35, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --Zod Rhombus 15:09, 19 June 2007 (BST)
--Marie^{The Grove on Tour} 15:46, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --^T 16:42, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Uh huh. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 00:31, 21 June 2007 (BST)
Yup. --Mayor Fitting 06:51, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Didn't get to be there, but I'm guessing it was a Glorious sight.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 07:02, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Definitely. --Dorian Miller 13:27, 23 June 2007 (BST)
Fo sho. --Gut stench ^{FU BAR} 03:55, 23 June 2007 (BST)
Yes -- Vista +1 21:12, 28 June 2007 (BST)

Against (First Siege of Caiger Mall)

Voting Over! - In a Shocking Twist, The First Siege of Caiger Mall Falls At The Post! It Fails to Reach 15 Votes! No Historical Event Status for you, siege number 1! --Toejam 05:21, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Due to the fact that it has 10 Yes Votes, and a possible No vote would be unable to stop it from reaching the 2/3 majority needed to pass, the First Seige of Caiger Mall has been retroactively declared historical, using precedent from the Wiki Policy page and the Historical Groups page.--ShadowScope 00:45, 14 July 2007 (BST)

Malton Iditarod

this already speaks for itself. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 05:13, 18 June 2007 (BST)

For (Malton Iditarod)

I guess.--Lachryma^☭ 01:14, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 04:01, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. - Interesting and original event nonetheless. --Zod Rhombus 15:11, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. It is somewhat interesting and it had a good turnout. --^T 16:42, 19 June 2007 (BST)
First mayor planned in-game event in the history of the game. Is remembered less as the more colour fights but involved a lot of players of both sides and was quite the happening. Unique and the first of it's kind. It spawned a lot of in game events. It's been a long while now, and most of the player have moved on but it deserves the status of historical.-- Vista +1 20:59, 28 June 2007 (BST)

Against (Malton Iditarod)

Didn't really have an effect on Malton.--User:Axe27/Sig 01:22, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Been around for a while and still have no clue what this is. --karek 03:54, 19 June 2007 (BST)
No effect on Malton. Even had little participation, if you ask me. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 12:36, 19 June 2007 (BST)
only like 20 people took part and it did nothing overall. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 00:32, 21 June 2007 (BST)
Against. Heard of it, but didn't have a major impact on anything. --Dorian Miller 13:54, 23 June 2007 (BST)
Not heard of it. --Gut stench ^{FU BAR} 03:57, 23 June 2007 (BST)
I heard of it but it wasn't that big of a thing. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS Hunt!} 00:56, 2 July 2007 (BST)

Voting Over! - The Iditarod deemed not to be a Historical Event. --Toejam 05:21, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Second Siege of Caiger Mall

this already speaks for itself. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 05:13, 18 June 2007 (BST)

For (Second Siege of Caiger Mall)

Duh.--Lachryma^☭ 01:14, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Sure. --User:Axe27/Sig 01:22, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Given. --karek 03:55, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 04:01, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Sure #2. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 12:37, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes --Marie^{The Grove on Tour} 15:47, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --^T 16:42, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yeppers. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 00:31, 21 June 2007 (BST)
Duh. --Mayor Fitting 06:50, 22 June 2007 (BST)
It was fun PKing people during it.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 07:02, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Definitely. --Dorian Miller 13:28, 23 June 2007 (BST)
Uh-huh. --Gut stench ^{FU BAR} 03:58, 23 June 2007 (BST)
Yes -- Vista +1 21:21, 28 June 2007 (BST)

Against (Second Siege of Caiger Mall)

Voting Over! - In a massive explosion of unforeseenyality, the Second Siege of Caiger Mall also fails to get the requisite 15 votes to enter Historical Events, missing out by a mere 2 "Yes" votes. Even 2 No votes could have saved it. No Historical Event Status for you, siege number 2! --Toejam 05:29, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Due to the fact that it has 10 Yes Votes, and the possible 2 No votes would be unable to stop it from reaching the 2/3 majority needed to pass, the First Seige of Caiger Mall has been retroactively declared historical, using precedent from the Wiki Policy page and the Historical Groups page.--ShadowScope 00:46, 14 July 2007 (BST)

Third Siege of Caiger Mall

this already speaks for itself. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 05:13, 18 June 2007 (BST)

For (Third Siege of Caiger Mall)

Duh.--Lachryma^☭ 01:14, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yeah. --User:Axe27/Sig 01:22, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Given. --karek 03:59, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 04:01, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Sure. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 12:37, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --Zod Rhombus 15:13, 19 June 2007 (BST)
--Marie^{The Grove on Tour} 15:47, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yea. --^T 16:42, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yeppers. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 00:31, 21 June 2007 (BST)
Of course. --Mayor Fitting 06:52, 22 June 2007 (BST)
I didn't quite like this one. It wasn't PK-y enough.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 07:02, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Same as the first two. Yes. --Dorian Miller 13:29, 23 June 2007 (BST)
Finally. Something I was a part of. --Gut stench ^{FU BAR} 03:59, 23 June 2007 (BST)
-- Vista +1 21:12, 28 June 2007 (BST)
Yes --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS Hunt!} 07:00, 1 July 2007 (BST)

Against (Third Siege of Caiger Mall)

Voting Over! - Passes by the skin of its teeth. --Toejam 05:21, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Battle of the Bear Pit

this already speaks for itself. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 05:13, 18 June 2007 (BST)

For (Battle of the Bear Pit)

Duh.--Lachryma^☭ 01:14, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Oh hell yeah. --User:Axe27/Sig 01:22, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 04:01, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Sure. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 12:38, 19 June 2007 (BST)
--Marie^{The Grove on Tour} 15:48, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Keep. --^T 16:42, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yeppers. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 00:31, 21 June 2007 (BST)
A place that I still haven't PKed in.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 07:02, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS Hunt!} 06:59, 1 July 2007 (BST)

Against (Battle of the Bear Pit)

Not heard of it. --Gut stench ^{FU BAR} 04:02, 23 June 2007 (BST)

Voting Over! - Not enough votes to enter historical. --Toejam 05:21, 10 July 2007 (BST)

The Siege of Giddings Mall

one of the first survivors victories.--People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 05:18, 18 June 2007 (BST)

For (The Siege of Giddings Mall)

I guess.--Lachryma^☭ 01:14, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 04:01, 19 June 2007 (BST)
I wasn't there (that's how old this event was) but as much as I know Giddings was Caiger before Caiger. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 12:40, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yeah. --^T 16:42, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes, without these there wouldn't have been a Caiger.--karek 07:33, 21 June 2007 (BST)
I guess so. --Gut stench ^{FU BAR} 04:03, 23 June 2007 (BST)
Huge event if you were around for it. In survivor history the Siege of Giddings Mall is almost on par to the first Caiger siege. Without Giddings there would've been no Caiger.-- Vista +1 21:09, 28 June 2007 (BST)
As a member of PARA I knew the shit that went down. PARA kicked ass. The Many were stopped dead. They were the original horde. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS Hunt!} 06:58, 1 July 2007 (BST)

Against (The Siege of Giddings Mall)

Not important enough.--User:Axe27/Sig 01:22, 19 June 2007 (BST)

Voting Over! - Not enough votes to enter historical. --Toejam 05:21, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Yahoomas day

Voting to start as of 19 June 2007 0:00:00, in order to satisfy "event must be declared over" requirement- although I think 4000 new members in 12 hours qualifies as an event, and those 12 hours are over.

For (Yahoomas day)

... 01:24, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 04:01, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Whether it is still ongoing doesn't matter. The article was put up on the 18th, so that's how it will be remembered.--Lachryma^☭ 05:07, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Whether it's till going on or not, I think we should just put it in now so we don't forget later.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 07:02, 22 June 2007 (BST)

Against (Yahoomas day)

Too early to say. --User:Axe27/Sig 01:22, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Could have sworn it was still going up too. --karek 04:03, 19 June 2007 (BST)
You are right, it is. Who knows where it will stop? But hey, we have two weeks to change our votes; if it hasn't stopped by then- well, it will make the day VERY historic, but perhps we can agree the event won't be over. If it has stopped by then, maybe you'll go to keep. Or not. 13:21, 19 June 2007 (BST)
"Event must have been declared over". Take this time to improve the page, and then we can vote. Anyways, it's as you said: we can change the vote if this membership boost proves to be over soon. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 13:28, 19 June 2007 (BST)
I invite others to improve on the page; This is a wiki, after all! Regardless of its historic status or not, its an event worth documenting on that page. ._{13:37, 20 June 2007 (BST)}
Jesus christ, Swiers. Who knows how important that article is going to be in Urban Dead history? And what a lame page to link too... what have all these newbies actually done... other than sign up? -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 14:04, 19 June 2007 (BST)
As above...--ShadowScope 14:13, 19 June 2007 (BST)
No. Need more time to determine its significance. --^T 16:42, 19 June 2007 (BST)
No. At least wait for the 5 day idle on those 8000 before calling it historical --♠ Che ♠-^{T GC X} 09:47, 20 June 2007 (BST)
Nope. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 00:31, 21 June 2007 (BST)
Against. Way too early. Still have to see if it will have any real impact on the game. So far all it's done is give a lot of zombies free meals. --Dorian Miller 13:35, 23 June 2007 (BST)
What Che said. --Gut stench ^{FU BAR} 04:05, 23 June 2007 (BST)
as Che-- Vista +1 21:11, 28 June 2007 (BST)

Voting Over! - More nays than yays. --Toejam 05:21, 10 July 2007 (BST)

The Battle of Santlerville

First major mall siege where survivors held out since the introduction of large buildings.
One of very few times the RRF has been stopped.
Proved the mettle of several previously overlooked / underestimated survivor groups.

For (The Battle of Santlerville)

For, new survivor strategy used, very coordinated. Just because Mathew Farenheit has a vendetta against the RRF doesn't mean something involving them being stopped, especially when all but about 9 suburbs were laregely zombie controlled, shouldn't still be notable.--karek 14:09, 19 June 2007 (BST)
yes --Barroom Hero 14:26, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yes. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 16:13, 19 June 2007 (BST)
OK. --^T 16:42, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yeah, what the hell.--Lachryma^☭ 18:29, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Hell yeah. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 00:34, 21 June 2007 (BST)
YES An old discarded alt of mine fought there and it was amazing because it (arguably) reversed a massive Zed resurgence. Prior to the battle there were only about 4 or 5 green suburbs and about 30 red. After the battle this figure was largely the other way around and it halted the RRF for only the second time in it's history (or at least elicited a surrender for the 2nd time in it's history). Also the name sounds cool... --Ulysses Black 04:51, 21 June 2007 (BST)
Yes! This battle will always live on in my mind the greatest and most heartfelt I ever fought in. And considering that I was at the first battle of Blackmore, that's saying something. --Iphoenixsongi 04:55, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Yay for meatbags! --Gut stench ^{FU BAR} 04:07, 23 June 2007 (BST)
Oh yes! As the first major battle the Beatbox Kids ever took part in of course we want it recognised. RRF and the Gore Corps on one side and Escendo Numerus and their PKing friends on the other, whats not to like?--Scurley7 03:46, 25 June 2007 (BST)

Against (The Battle of Santlerville)

Never heard of it. Also, the RRF has been stopped several times, they just don't like to/want to admit it. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 13:38, 19 June 2007 (BST)
The RRF has been stopped before but you can't place a whole suburb as the battle. If say the RRF lost the Blackmore Building, than yeah. But you want them to hold a 100 square area? Dude, the RRF has about 130 people, and not all of them are there 24/7. It isn't anything special. Get something like Caiger1 and then we'll talk. Just because you stop zombies for a short period of time doesn't mean shit. No one cared to vote PARA vs. The Many in and that was an awesome battle. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS Hunt!} 06:57, 1 July 2007 (BST)

Hey Sonny, Murry Jay is the one who named it The Battle of Santlerville. :) --Sexy Rexy Grossman 06:35, 14 July 2007 (BST)

Just a note, voting is over please go to talk pages. :) --karek 06:50, 14 July 2007 (BST)

Voting Over! - Not deemed historical. --Toejam 05:21, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Due to the fact that it has 10 Yes Votes, and the possible 3 No votes would be unable to stop it from reaching the 2/3 majority needed to pass, Battle of Santlerville has been retroactively declared historical, using precedent from the Wiki Policy page and the Historical Groups page.(As the first two sieges of Caiger.)--karek 03:21, 14 July 2007 (BST)

Valentine's Day Massacre

First mass killing by a single character, first time a noticeable PKing cult was brought to be. And yeah, they used zergs, but the event itself triggered a lot of things. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 13:43, 19 June 2007 (BST)

For (Valentine's Day Massacre)

I wasn't in Whatmore at the moment, but it shocked me when I found out what happened. Surely something to remember. -Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 13:43, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yea. --^T 16:42, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yeppers. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 00:31, 21 June 2007 (BST)
Yes --karek 07:09, 21 June 2007 (BST)
I almost got my PKing character PKed there.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 07:02, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Sure. --Gut stench ^{FU BAR} 04:08, 23 June 2007 (BST)
For. --Dorian Miller 00:35, 26 June 2007 (BST)

Against (Valentine's Day Massacre)

~~Changed nothing and I'm pretty sure it doesn't meet rule two. Cheating is not condone-able and definitely not historical.~~--karek 14:19, 19 June 2007 (BST)
You are right. However, this event really opened up people's eyes to PKer groups and has never been matched as the largest massacre ever by a single person (even if they did cheat). A regular strike by Red Rum is hard-pressed these days to do the same amount of kills, with the new encumberance rules. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 00:39, 21 June 2007 (BST)
I still don't think that it will probably never be done again is a good case, but since you showed an actual effect I will change my vote..--karek 07:07, 21 June 2007 (BST)

Voting Over! - Not deemed a historical event. --Toejam 05:21, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Mall Tour '07

Let see if there is precedent for this sort of thing being called an event. As hagnat said " They just rocked. No discussion needed."--ShadowScope 07:10, 20 June 2007 (BST)

For (Mall Tour '07)

Yes.--karek 14:38, 20 June 2007 (BST)
YES - It was a group AND an event. The irony is that this is getting event status nixed here for being a group and group status nixed on the historical groups page for being an event. Either way, it WAS notable and should be remembered. I suggest a vote to determine event/group status, THEN a vote for it's historical worth, with eligibility for consideration (not an actual group/event) votes being ignored. --Ulysses Black 04:59, 21 June 2007 (BST)
If we put them as a group- Presumably there's going to be a tour again next year so are we going to keep putting them as groups- because then surely they should be the same group and go in as Mall Tour and then have to sub pages- '06 and '07 off of that since they're doing the same thing every year, so I think it;ll be better off as an event. --Marie^{The Grove on Tour} 16:08, 21 June 2007 (BST)
Very neato event. --Gut stench ^{FU BAR} 04:10, 23 June 2007 (BST)
I refuse to admit that my zombie character was part of a group. I joined because I knew it was going to end, like any other event around. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 06:45, 1 July 2007 (BST)
yes --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF CoL DORIS Hunt!} 00:58, 2 July 2007 (BST)

Against (Mall Tour '07)

It was a group, not an event. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 18:49, 20 June 2007 (BST)
Ay, certainly a group. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 00:36, 21 June 2007 (BST)
More of a group. --^T 00:54, 23 June 2007 (BST)
Against. Still think it was a group. --Dorian Miller 13:30, 23 June 2007 (BST)
It's was a group, it had a group page, group membership, forums, etc, etc. And it's under voting for the historical groups category. All in all, Mall tour '07 = Group.-- Vista +1 21:03, 28 June 2007 (BST)

Voting Over! - Not deemed a historical event. --Toejam 05:21, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Open_Air

The deliberate return to the pre-barricade days of Malton in hopes of sharing knowledge, experience, and saving some AP. The Quartly Librarians tried to survive by good will alone, but were eventually eaten by ferals who were too impatient to get to know them.

vote here

The Christmas Rising

The Uprising in which pkers fought((in rping style)) for the independent state of Shackelville which devastated it for a long time after.

vote here

Battle of Blackmore (Removal)

While the event itself may be historical (I disagree, but whatever), the tone and process of this article is not one that befits something that should get a "historical" stamp. It's insanely, pointlessly POV, and should either be rewritten and corrected, de-historicized and moved to a subpage of a user group, or deleted entirely.

see voting

Stanstock

The well-known zombie strike of 2005. --Toejam ^Atmosphere 20:03, 15 September 2007 (BST)

see voting

The QSG's Library Tour

The Quartly Study Group embarked on a six-month tour of various libraries in Malton. In almost every library they stopped in, they lowered the barricades and showed the locals that barricade-free survival is possible. Many zombies and humans learned to live under the Library Truce, dancing and reading poetry together instead of killing each other.

The tour culminated with a party at the Quartly Library, a party which was attended by members of the Malton Rangers, the Gore Corps, Red Rum, the FEZ, The Philosophe Knights, Uncle Zeddie, the papa of the RRF, various pro-survivors, and various zombies: all partying together under flag of truce in the Quartly Library's No-Kill Zone. (Complete logs of the tour can be seen on the site.) The tour (and afterparty) were visted by various groups and some of the most notable personages in Malton, and even warranted a mention on Radio Survivor. --Vandr 05:16, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

For it

Yes. Author's vote. Vandr 05:16, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Bobs Aturd 05:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Braggledorth 05:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes - Cool. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 05:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 05:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 05:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes --Jorm 05:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
yes considering i planed the thing----Sexualharrison^{ה •QSG•T} 05:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes -- Grogh 05:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes It was terrific fun! --Visible One 05:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes -Druuuuu ^OcTRR 05:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes I only wish that I had caught more of it.--Globule13 05:54, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes We were eaten, PKd and feted by Malton's finest. Who else would be so insane? --Gore Girl 05:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes Any interaction that mixes up the typical Zombie vs. Survivor vs. PKers gameplay should be recognized and applauded. --Sexy Rexy Grossman 06:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes - This time you've got the right of it, it meets all the criteria and was just plain fun to follow.--Karek^maps?! 06:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes -- Shoot 1st 06:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes -- Sir Fred of Etruria 06:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes Those librarians throw the best parties.--Lord Wulfgar 06:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes --FireVixen 12:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes - MmmMmmmmMMmMmm...Librarians...--Canker Sore 07:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes --Agent Redemption 07:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yesssssssss --Talunex 07:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes - I remember these guys! DanceDanceRevolution 08:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes --Buddhagazelle 08:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes - Shame I missed it during my 2-month holiday from UD. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 08:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes - I played pin the tail on the zombie with a wallaby. Historical indeed! --Sir Bob Fortune ^{RR - FEZ - ATO} 12:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes - th tour was awesome! --Ropponmatsu 12:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Most Certainly - Nearly caused war between the Philosophe Knights and groups which opposed the tour, by the way... --DT ^PK 13:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes--Hibernaculum 13:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes--User:VI/signature 15:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes - Dude, your travel has been epic! Any regular Maltoner would have gone crazy doing that! --Rena Ryugu 17:05, 12th of December of 2007 (GMT+1 time)
Yes - Excellent stuff! --Squid Boy 16:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes - My head still hurts.--Thekooks 17:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes - Yes. --The Hierophant 17:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes - Yes. --Rob Collick 19:19, 12 December 2007 (GMT)
Yes --Roland 19:27, 12 December 2007 (GMT)
Yes --Pibbit 19:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes --Paul Power 22:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes --Corndoghero^T-S-Z 01:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes --Great Lord P4X639, MFD 02:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes -- Kalenium ^FoD 02:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes -- Laxiola 04:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes -- RadioSurvivor 05:58, 14 December 2007 (GMT) I'm Uncle Zeddie, and I approve of this message.
Yes - yay for a different way of enjoying this game --WanYao 15:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
yes--USER:Doberman guy uncle zeddie paid for this vote by shooting the cat
yes--Sir WV 11:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC) This vote is just to counteract Labine's negative POV.
Yes - Ah, libraries are such wonderful places of learning and the QSG make learning fun. --Mobius187 13:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes - -- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 19:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes Of course --Happy doodle 09:52, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes Hanging out with the QSG in Pallaye Library was great fun. --Blanemcc 16:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Yus --User:Axe27/Sig 18:45, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes Sir - right away Sir. --the wallaby^♥ 18:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes Zoutroi 22:36, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes --Calypso 23:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
yes Jleggitt^MR 17:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Against it

No --~~~~ [talk ] 07:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
No --Z. slay3r • Talk 15:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
No See Gage? A mention on Brainstock doesn't mean "Yes" votes.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 02:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
No--Finis Valorum 15:16, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Voting closed. Motion passed. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 02:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Yahoomas day

Just over a year ago, a massive spike in players (around 4,000 people joined the game in about 12 hours, approximately 15,000 in total) joined the game. Yahoo had run an article about UD. Of course, being new, many of the players didn't understand they should get inside to safety, and so zombies woke and saw the streets were packed with new, delicious players. Here's a picture:

For (Yahoomas day)

--Toejam 17:03, 16 June 2008 (BST)
You mean this wasn't a historical event already? --Nitro378^{T JNL} 17:12, 16 June 2008 (BST)
i wish i could remember what made me discover this game --Scotw 18:08, 16 June 2008 (BST)
Though I didn't sign up that day, 'twas what brought UD to my notice --Sir Bob Fortune ^RR 18:11, 16 June 2008 (BST)
Oh, hell ya. Asheets 18:18, 16 June 2008 (BST)
What a glorious and amusing day it was. Notable at least. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 18:56, 16 June 2008 (BST)
As Nitro. --Pdeq^Talk* 19:58, 16 June 2008 (BST)
----Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||20:42, 16 June 2008 (BST)
Fo Sho Mofo Ioncannon11 21:08, 16 June 2008 (BST)
--~~~~ [talk ] 21:11, 16 June 2008 (BST)
Humourous, special, historic.--Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 21:45, 16 June 2008 (BST)
I agree with Rosslessness on the reasons. Especially the term "special". Although I would rather file this under the term "Force of Nature", since the impetous was something completely out of the hands of the game creators or players.--Actingupagain 22:09, 16 June 2008 (BST)
History isn't completely made out of battles, you know... --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 22:36, 16 June 2008 (BST)
It deserves to be recognised Grungerguy 23:43, 16 June 2008 (BST)
History isn't just about sieges... It's about people, events and ideas of impact and influence our "culture". Yahoomas was a HUGE event that impacted -- and was certainly noticed by -- pretty much everyone. It was also a "watershed" moment in that it represented UD being dumped squarly into the mainstream the interwebz milieu, i.e. a review on Yahoo Games. Yahoomas is still talked about and celebrated to this day -- and will be as long as UD exists, I am sure. Of fucking course it's historical. --WanYao 23:50, 16 June 2008 (BST)
According to karek on the Yahoomas Talk page, the Yahoo article was how LUE found and joined the game. If this is true, that 'alone ups its cred as bona fide historical. --WanYao 22:56, 19 June 2008 (BST)
mana from heaven, we were eating sleepers for days after that. not to mention seeing an over all spike in population throughout the city, everything got alot more crowded. i vote yes.--Bullgod 01:38, 17 June 2008 (BST)
Of course. This is one of those things that over 90% of the UD community would have to know about. I knew about this before I knew about the significance of Caiger Mall or On Strike.--Nallan (Talk) 10:46, 17 June 2008 (BST)
This was the most terrible day for be back then. Now it is probably one of the most funny. I am waiting for 'discard your flack jackets' day. --Vandurn 14:22, 17 June 2008 (BST)
Oh, clearly yes. Yahoomas was major- we've had large groups come from other forums before, but this is the single largest influx of new, unaffiliated players in the history of the game, and they had a major impact. And, I think, a lasting impact, boosting the total survivor numbers for a long while to come, since almost everyone who registered played a survivor, and the majority of those that stayed remained dedicated to survival.--FT ^MCI 17:46, 17 June 2008 (BST)
Biggest short-term statistical impact ever.--Insomniac By Choice 05:16, 18 June 2008 (BST)
- Definitely. As all of the above.--Private Mark 06:05, 18 June 2008 (BST)
Biggest Historical Event Ever!!! --BoboTalkClown 16:35, 18 June 2008 (BST)
I wasn't here for this, but it sounded like so much fun I celebrated it last night. I just think the whole context of it is way awesome. --Jelly Otter 02:45, 19 June 2008 (BST)
Why not. It had a positive effect on Urban Dead. It brought some people in the game. Even if alot of them didnt stay. --Freelancer Dromar 3 10:11, 18 June 2008 (EST)
This event was more game-changing than any other historical event. The man 18:15, 19 June 2008 (BST)
Because. Just because.--Corndoghero^T-S-Z 06:30, 20 June 2008 (BST)
Yup. I've never seen Malton carpeted with sleeping people before or since. --David Suzuki 09:16, 20 June 2008 (BST)
It's not like it could be easily repeated or anything, right? --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 10:01, 22 June 2008 (BST)
Quite historical. -- T^HEL^ORDG^UNS^LINGER 05:12, 23 June 2008 (BST)
Great time for zombies =p Z1nk666 ^{M! we miss mini!}

! --Z1nk666 21:53, 22 June 2008 (BST)

Yes. mostly cause i usually vote no for things i had nothing to do with. hope it happens again this year!----Sexualharrison 23:20, 2 July 2008 (BST)
Yes! I was here for this-- good times. Let's make this yearly custom became an annual tradition--A lab monkey 18:22, 5 July 2008 (BST)

Against (Yahoomas day)

Mildly interesting, yet simply not of the greatness that cries "Historical Impact"... a "yawner" as holidays go.... Tai Tao Ren 18:20, 16 June 2008 (BST)
no - made oh so many zombahz happah... but that was about it... no mall takeovers... not broken sieges... etc...--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 18:52, 16 June 2008 (BST)
An unimportant event that really did nothing but get the zombie players a little EXP boost. Definitely not noteworthy at all. --Indio65 00:35, 17 June 2008 (BST)
Worth a note somewhere, but not a historical event for the simple reason that it wasnt actually an event so much as a transient phenomenon. Celebrating the day when thousands of people signed up and found the game too boring for their tastes is a good thing? Nah. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 00:47, 17 June 2008 (BST)
Useless, uneeded, pointless, unsignificant, few more players sign up, big deal there are plenty already. --Pvt human 11:39, 19 June 2008 (BST)
The way I understand it, Yahoomas is a holiday and thus will be celebrated every year. However rule one of the policy for designating an event historical states that the event must be over, and this is not. Instead we should make not just Yahoomas the holiday a historical event but instead the First Yahoomas a historical event.--Robert de Bruce 17:51, 21 June 2008 (BST)Robert de Bruce
Sure it was historical, but dissenting is fun too.--Lachryma^☭ 22:30, 25 June 2008 (BST)

Malton Block Party

The first annual Malton Block Party has officially ended. I believe it is historical in a few ways. A very small number of people managed to repair up enough buildings for survivor attendees in the very heart of the city, Stanbury Village. When it actually began many survivors, PKers, and zombies made the trek from across the city to attend. Tuesday saw a group of perhaps a dozen humans staying outside in Whetcombe Park until roughly Thursday, with a brief speech from myself on Wednesday. Aside from the barfight in The Corfield Arms on Thursday and the free-for-all deathmatch in the Kersley Mansion on Saturday, there were very few deaths over the course of the week, with most present observing the no-kill policy.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 00:10, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Yes - See above.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 00:10, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - A righteous blast. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 00:36, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - It just freaking happened. Hell, why didn't you put this up before you even did the event? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 00:59, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Because then it wouldn't have given you an ulcer and you would have felt like a pussy for not having one.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 01:38, 28 September 2008 (BST)
The Block Party failed at being notable and giving me an ulcer. The lack of the USC vs. UAB football game on tv is giving me one. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 01:40, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - What the hell was this, and how is it notable again?--Jorm 01:42, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Hmm...we found out that one could pour beer and wine into generators, damaging them? I don't know if this wonderful bit of text flavor and game effect had ever been officially noted yet... --Jen 01:51, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Is that true, Jen? If it is, I'm voting yes just on the basis of that discovery alone. What an awesome way of GKing... --Target Practice 02:02, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Aww...darn. I was wrong. Looks like it actually has been noted before. *sigh* Shucks, I thought we had something good going there. :( --Jen 02:04, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Wait...unless the 17th was during the block party...hmm. Now I'm curious. --Jen 02:05, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - What jorm said. -- Grogh 02:06, 28 September 2008 (BST)
I'm sorry, but did either of you notice the paragraph below the heading "Malton Block Party", where I explained both what it was and why it was notable?--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 02:11, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes, it was noticed and read. Still a NO vote because it was so minor as to not deserve historical status. -- Grogh 02:34, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:14, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - Most of the other historical events involve hundreds, if not thousands of players. Whilst twelve humans lasting two days outside unscathed is impressive, I'm not so sure it's historical. Kudos on noticing the beer vs generator thing, though. --Target Practice 02:17, 28 September 2008 (BST)
The event itself involved hundreds of people -- well over a hundred anyway. :D Just because only a dozen or so had the guts to camp outside for 24+ hours, don't think for a second that there wasn't a hell of a lot more to the party than that. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 02:33, 28 September 2008 (BST)
The most I ever saw in the Arms was 50-something... --Jen 02:37, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - Because I'm bribing Labine. ;) Though the beer vs. generator thing has almost sold me. --Jen 02:30, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - Never heard of it. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 02:37, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - The fact that you had to describe what it was and why it was historical is proof enough that it shouldn't be inducted.--Nallan (Talk) 02:39, 28 September 2008 (BST)
You realise that in order to make a submission within the rules of the page, you have to describe the event, right?--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 06:11, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Actually I didn't - could you point out to me where it says that because I can't see it. If it does, I apologise, but stand by my vote. Seems that an event's name alone should ring a bell for most UD players for it to be historical. This just didn't for me.--Nallan (Talk) 07:46, 28 September 2008 (BST)
It's in the hidden text when you add a new nomination. It tells you to add a "Reason for nomination"--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 08:04, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - As jorm and target practice. --WanYao 05:07, 28 September 2008 (BST)
addendum - a Brainstock daisy-jerk circle-train does not historical make... sorry. --WanYao 07:58, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - I attended the party and it was a great event in having PKers,Survivors,Bounty Hunters and Zombies all getting along together. It had some fun events, including the bar fight.--Josh Clark 05:13, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - You're joking, right? --Zs L 05:32, 28 September 2008 (BST)
'Yes - Awesome event with survivors, PKers, BHers and even a few random zombies coexisting peacefully (for awhile at least). You don't normally see that every day.--Dr. Allison Wolf ^{MEMS Talk PIF} 06:23, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - Great fun. Some of you are kinda jaded aren't ya?--Kristi of the Dead 06:25, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Something being "fun" isn't a valid reason for it to be listed as historic, to be put on the same list as sieges with upwards of 1000 combatants and game-changing events.--Nallan (Talk) 07:36, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Ah, right, because Yahoomas was a game-changing event. Or because this is a game, after all, and therefore the concept of "fun" just doesn't apply. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 08:23, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Don't even start to compare this with Yahoomas. Yahoomas was the introduction of a legion of new players to UD and was the result of the biggest media feature UD has received to date. The screenshots speak for themselves. And no, this isn't a game - this is a wiki for a game. So you're right, the concept of fun doesn't apply in this case. If Biertag and Extravaganza aren't on the list, then this is certainly not historic.--Nallan (Talk) 14:00, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - Yeah, so there were 10 people in a pub for a couple days, and we sprayed some graffiti, and called it a party... so can I get it declared historical? Please? Yes, maybe you had fun, but that doesn't make it historical. --JaredV 08:02, 28 September 2008 (BST)
You ought to know there was more than 10 people. I mean the CK was there and all. I suspect you guys have 10 members don't ya? So there'd have to way more than 10 people in the pub and what not.--Kristi of the Dead 08:49, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Actually, most of us weren't in the pub at one time... and the second half of my comment stands. I think it's great that you had fun, but that doesn't make it historical. --JaredV 22:20, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No, sorry --~~~~ [talk ] 09:40, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - Getting to slap other DEM members including KristiOTD with a newspaper now who wouldn't.--Forgotten86 ^MCDU:T 10:00, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - As Jared. I heard of it, but it isn't historical.--Drawde ^{Talk To Me! DORIS Red Rum Defend Ridleybonk! I know Nothing!} 11:14, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - Historic events have to stand the test of time. This finished yesterday. The people involved may have enjoyed it, but a lot of people enjoy McDonald's and that doesn't make it truly great and memorable food. Take a look at the current list of historical events and tell me how exactly this matches up. --Papa Moloch 12:02, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No -, as said above, just happened, not historic, and from what i heard not allot of people showed up.--Bullgod 13:30, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No Ive been in Wales for 2 weeks. --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 14:30, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - hay guise plz to be maekan our spermfest historical? --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 19:47, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - apart from my not having heard of it, at all, and it not seeming to have any huge impact on the game, it seems a bit daft to grant historical status to what is in effect a bit of a piss-take. I mean, role-playing being stuck in a zombie-infested city has what to do with a zombie/survivor love in, exactly? Mad, oh-so-zany, but not historical. --Funt Solo ^QT 21:02, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - As Papa. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 22:53, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - I was there, found it quite enjoyable and all, but it wasn't really historical. --Panthera 02:56, 29 September 2008 (BST)
No - Not even close - Sanpedro 04:32, 29 September 2008 (BST)
No - I was there for a few days. The party was fun, I had a great time, but it was not historical. Nothing gamechanging, there weren't a lot of people, and it lasted less than a week. Groups do this kind of thing all the time. --Desmond Styles 05:51, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Nope - As others. --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 11:11, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - Why not? --RichterFury 21:34, 29 September 2008 (BST)
I don't want to be an arse here, but are you seriously asking "why not"? Have you looked through the events that have made it to Historical? You're going to stand this, frankly, utter non-event up against Blackmore, Stanstock or the three Caiger sieges? This did nothing. This changed nothing. This will be forgotten in no time by the game at large because it was nothing and when we start to diminish the value of the 'Historical' tag we diminish every part of the game's entire history. --Papa Moloch 00:23, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Dude, don't rage on people because they disagree with you.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 05:11, 30 September 2008 (BST)
That's not rage, it's an answer to his question. Don't fail to see the point just because it contradicts your nomination. --Papa Moloch 08:55, 30 September 2008 (BST)
No - Sorry, Labine. I heard it was a lot of fun, but it would take an appearance by Godzilla to make a party historical. --Paddy Dignam 00:15, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - Numerous survivors were involved, it was an interesting event and hopefully we'll do it again next year. --Zhani 22:59, 30 September 2008 (BST)
No - Yeah sorry but I didnt hear about it and its the first time. Do it a few more years and get more people for it then bring it back up. --Gorfox 6:56, 1 October 2008 (CST)
No - Sorry. I'm hearing it was fun, but Historical status is really only for major events (ie: Caigar) then a gathering of a few people. Linkthewindow 11:27, 2 October 2008 (BST)
No - What is this anyway? The man 11:28, 2 October 2008 (BST)
No, just another party. - User:Whitehouse 15:54, 8 October 2008 (BST)
No-This is just spam,and who cares if u noobs had a party?!?!?Did it kill a lot of people?No.Did it end a siege?No.Did it change the game?NO!Maybe u should look up historical in the dictionary u frooblet.--Gamestriker4 01:23, 9 October 2008 (BST)
/voteban The man 01:25, 11 October 2008 (BST)
No-Heck No! 12 people for 2 days you say? This ain't original, On Strike could lay claim to that title in late 2005, damn but that was fun, close on 1,000 players outside in a park having a picnic and getting killed and screwing over the server speed royally that Kevan had to modify the entire game to cope. How about any of the multiple anniversary parties that occur, Malton Tours Inc. Birthday, The Gingerbread Men's annual Fishbake at the Aquarium and many, many other parties that occur where all characters, zombies, PKers who cares who comes along, they ALL bitch this into the ground.--Ram Rock Ed First 13:58, 10 October 2008 (EST)

Motion Fails Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 16:47, 12 October 2008 (BST)

User:RadioSurvivor

What can I say about Uncle Zeddie and Radio Survivor, really? And, how else can you classify Radio Survivor -- except as a year-long event that took place in- and out-of-game, and affected countless players and groups throughout Malton. --WanYao 08:27, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Yes - Just the game-wide man-hunt alone affected "multiple sururbs" and "how the game was played" for numerous groups and players. Basically, if you missed Uncle Zeddie, you probably weren't playing Urban Dead for the last year. --WanYao 08:16, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - No clue wtf this is.--Jorm 08:32, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - it was big on brainstock.--Kristi of the Dead 08:45, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Absofuckin'-lutely --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 09:13, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - i saw some of his video podcasts, i think. funny guy. --~~~~ [talk ] 09:43, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - Wan, that is a ridiculous piece of overstating and i partially disagree with this being classed as an 'event' but i gotta say - he deserves the history books. --x o x o 09:47, 28 September 2008 (BST)
You're right: Radio Survivor wasn't an event in the "traditional" UD/wiki sense. It did, however, unite many different groups and players in a very unique -- and very real -- way. And it had an in-game impact. For a start: there was the man-hunt; there was the short-lived "Radio Survivor Street Team", who PKed many innocents in an attempt to suss out Zeddie's identity; there was the impact Zeddie's broadcasts and in-game presence had on in-game activities and "traditional" events. Perhaps the fact that it was year-long series of smaller "not-quite-events" throws you? Perhaps it was, most accurately, a "media event". Perhaps... But, taken together... taken together, what I said in the nomination was probably an understatement, if anything. --WanYao 10:56, 28 September 2008 (BST)
FUCK YES - And I want to be very clear on this: The word "fuck" is absolutely necessary for me to adequately express how much I feel this deserves historical status. Everyone knows Uncle Zeddie. If you don't know about Radio Survivor, then you probably don't know about the Dead either. --William Told 09:49, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - Definately an in game event, but thinking about it, I was never under the impression when it was going on that it was a big event. And that's the truth. Kareks comparison to real gamer did it for me. (On an unrelated note, my previous vote strikethrough messed up the page, so I've deleted that vote completely, if anyone knows how to do it correctly then by all means, go ahead, but don't change the No from me.)--Drawde ^{Talk To Me! DORIS Яed Яum Defend Ridleybonk! I know Nothing!} 15:41, 11 October 2008 (BST)
Yes - It didn't affect me or the way that I play, but it was something different and something that I'll remember, so it passes the test for me. --Papa Moloch 12:03, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - It wasnt an event. Its a players blog. Thus it doesnt meet the requirements for an event and i am removing it. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 12:10, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Note:The Nomination was removed at this point but has been restored to voting. -- C h e e s e 20:10, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - Restored to voting. It may not have been an "event" as such, but it definitely created an impact on the game and as a result should be remembered accordingly. Grim =/= UDWiki. Get a grip. -- C h e e s e 19:37, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Fo' Sho' --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 19:40, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 20:02, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No Sorry, never heard off.--MisterGame 20:38, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No Second Grimch's movement--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 20:44, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Damn, I was hoping you'd left the wiki. Ah well. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 20:46, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes No - not unless someone can explain why a serial spammer that I've thankfully never heard of before is a historical event. Hysterical (not in a funny way) maybe, but not historical. --Funt Solo ^QT 20:58, 28 September 2008 (BST)
This is Radio Survivor, not RealGamerz or whatever he is. This isn't one that spams the radios.--– Nubis ^NWO 21:54, 2 October 2008 (BST)
Changing my vote, after sanity pointed out by Nubis, Conqueror of Worlds. --Funt Solo ^QT 19:04, 8 October 2008 (BST)
Yes although Im not sure I like the precedent being set. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 21:24, 28 September 2008 (BST)
I think we will only need to worry if Real Gamer gets nominated. Radio Survivor is pretty harmless and fun. --– Nubis ^NWO 02:15, 1 October 2008 (BST)
No - I enjoyed RadioSurvivor just as much as the next player, but all it was was a guy broadcasting on the radio. It didn't affect multiple suburbs and it didn't have an effect on any groups. Also as Conndraka. --JaredV 22:24, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - because anything Funt's never heard of but is still capable of describing in such specific terms must have had a mighty effect on the game. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 22:43, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - Barely heard of it. Looks cool, but I don't see how this affected multiple sururbs or how the game was played for numerous groups and players. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 22:52, 28 September 2008 (BST)
YES The Dead tore apart suburb after suburb to find the only man that had a standing KOS order. If we hadn't have heard a rumor that he was in Penny Hts. Lumbar Mall would have been too insignificant for us to hit. (not really, but we were actively looking for him)-- #99 ^DCC 00:40, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - Uncle Zeddie is legend. --Pdeq^Talk* 00:43, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes A true legend. --/\Haliman/\^{T | P! | W!} 03:00, 29 September 2008 (BST)
No - As Grim, also, I was never a fan. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 04:16, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - I was a fan - Sanpedro 04:33, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - I wasn't a fan, (I enjoyed it but kept forgetting to check for updates...) but that doesn't make it not historical.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 05:07, 29 September 2008 (BST)
'Yes - Absolutely! His broadcasts really added to the immersion of the game and they were really unique! --Dr. Allison Wolf ^{MEMS Talk PIF} 05:49, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - I didn't listen to it regularly, but that bias shouldn't get in the way of voting. Uncle Zeddie was massive in the survivor community, and I believe he made a significant impact on the game. He's one of the most influential personalities in UrbanDead, thus his show reflects this. Whether this gets enough votes or not, it's historical. -Desmond Styles 05:57, 29 September 2008 (BST)
No - Never heard of it. --ScouterTX 10:56, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - More then worthy in my book.--Lord Wulfgar 20:10, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - I never had the patience to listen to a full RadioSurvivor broadcast but then again I have never had the patience to listen to anything. --the wallaby^♥ 20:30, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - Uncle Zeddie was a pretty major influence upon survivors in general. --RichterFury 21:33, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - I think many of you need to consult a dictionary. An 'event' is simply "a noteworthy happening." I was never a great fan, but the show was definitely noteworthy, not to mention innovative. Survivors, PKers and zeds followed it and reacted to it (The Dead even changed course to eat his ass), and it made the game more enjoyable for a hell of a lot of players. This took a lot of time and effort and pushed the boundaries of the game into another dimension. If this kind of event doesn't get rewarded, then the category is fucking useless. --Paddy Dignam 00:06, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - A great show. --Lynch 01:43, 30 September 2008 (BST)
No There's a difference between between a historical player and a historical event. --Xan2020 03:34, 30 September 2008 (BST)
No as above, but mostly what grim said.----Sexualharrison 05:23, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - For reasons stated above, and because Uncle Zeddie is the man. --Fiffy 11:11, 30 September 2008 (BST)
No What xan said. --Violent Hill 17:51, 2 October 2008 (BST)
Yes The man and his show are legends. Also, as most of the yes voters above. --A Kenyan Mangrove Crab 18:07, 2 October 2008 (BST)
No Never heard of him before this nomination. Wouldn't have cared if I did and can't see how a metagame tool can be seen as historical. If this gets in I will be nominating the real-life news articles that boosted the player base when diary came out. They were actions which everyone noticed and which had a major impact on the game.... they are just as stupid as this nomination! --Honestmistake 10:25, 3 October 2008 (BST)
Yahoomas is historical. It was an external event that had a very short-term (albeit significant at the moment) in-geame impact. By your logic, Yahoomas' status is questionable, too. Also, fact that you haven't heard of it doesn't make it unimportant; it just means you were doing something else while 100s, possibly 1000s of others were tuning in... And, I bet 75% of players have never heard of the Battles of Santlerville... --WanYao 09:57, 4 October 2008 (BST)
Yes Uncle Zeddie changed the way role playing and gaming is for the things to come down the road in Urban Dead. --Matt Aries 04:57, 6 October 2008 (BST)
No Never heard of it prior to this vote. Wan Yao says it was "an external event", which begs the question, "Why are we bothering to vote on something that didn't happen in the game?". Does this mean every time someone shits zombie-green we should consider whether or not it was historic? Historical Event status implies that something actually happened in the game. This "event" does not meet that simple criteria. I'm sure with some wiki-lawyering someone will argue to the contrary. --Stephen Colbert DFA 23:06, 7 October 2008 (BST)
Wan said that is was an external event that had... an in-game impact, and he was right: it had an in-game impact until Uncle Zeddie stopped broadcasting. It always kills me when someone votes either way if they haven't heard of what they're voting on. You're on notice, Colbert! --Paddy Dignam 03:39, 8 October 2008 (BST)
I play UD nearly every weekday, and I hadn't heard of it. Once again, from everything I've read here, this was essentially a metagaming activity that, while providing interesting content for some users, was not an actual event in the game. Someone has yet to provide details of what actually happened in the game. --Stephen Colbert DFA 15:09, 8 October 2008 (BST)
YeS over and out.--Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 23:46, 7 October 2008 (BST)
We will miss you Uncle Zeddie. You and your history shall be noted for all of the years Malton/Monroeville is still up and running. Have fun out in the real world. We will miss you. - Unsigned vote struck -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:26, 8 October 2008 (BST)
No - Not convinced. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:26, 8 October 2008 (BST)
Current Tally: 31 yes, 13 no. I'm pretty sure that qualifies as a "histoical" in case this gets moved. Linkthewindow ^Talk 01:43, 10 October 2008 (BST)By the way, I vote Yes. If teh Dead had to tear up a few suburbs to kill him, then he's obviously changed the game. Linkthewindow ^Talk 03:23, 11 October 2008 (BST)
It gets another Day and a half... Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 01:52, 10 October 2008 (BST)
No - This is even less significant than the malton block party, besides I never heard of this. The man 01:21, 11 October 2008 (BST)
LOL --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 04:17, 11 October 2008 (BST)
No The hell is wrong with you people? Not an event, interesting play choices aren't game changing unless you consider the repricussions notable, in which case why isn't REAL GAMER the most historic thing ever?--Karek^maps?! 09:50, 11 October 2008 (BST)
Well for a start realgamer is still active.--Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 17:46, 12 October 2008 (BST)

Cut off for Vote would be 08:27, 12 October Votes Below are struck
~~#No As karek. Almost as annoying as realgamerz. I smashed every radio on which I heard this dross. --Keith Drudgely 17:30, 12 October 2008 (BST)~~

Nyet - Don't get it.-Insomniac By Choice 03:29, 13 October 2008 (BST)

For 30 (63.9%)Against 17 (36.1%) Motion Fails Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 05:20, 13 October 2008 (BST)

Complaints about the archival of the Radio Survivor nomination

I have given you this location to bitch about its removal, as i know you all will, however its a clear violation of this policy. Please discuss it here before you decide to bitch and whine and take me to misconduct. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 12:17, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Do as you will, but be specific plz. Which bullet points aren't satisfied, etc, etc?--x o x o 12:38, 28 September 2008 (BST)

The policy specifies that events be in game events. Radio Survivor was an in character personal blog on another site. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 13:22, 28 September 2008 (BST)

combined with an IN GAME pk hunting contest that was very popular--Kristi of the Dead 13:26, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Then fucking change the nomination to Historic Group for fuck's sake. If anyone deserves some recognition he does. And Radio survivor has a wiki page. --

#99 ^DCC 13:33, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Also, can you prove that he never made a radio broadcast "in game"? Just because he had "extra content" on his personal blog doesn't mean he didn't do anything in game.--

#99 ^DCC 13:36, 28 September 2008 (BST)

And... it wasn't a group, DCC... that's the thing. Unless a group of one counts? It was an event, very clearly. In any event (groan), it doesn't matter... Because as much as he'd like to see it take place here, the real discussion that matters is to take place in the Misconduct case. I've said enough, too much, here already. Cheers! --WanYao 17:50, 28 September 2008 (BST)

You are a fucking asswipe, Grim. No. Holds. Fucking. Barred. Resign. Now. --WanYao 17:05, 28 September 2008 (BST) I used to support you. No longer. Resign. Now. Because you are wrong. Period. --WanYao 17:06, 28 September 2008 (BST)

It took place in-game. As as well as out of game, yeah -- just as every other Historical event that involved metagaming did. Sure, it revolved around one charcter. So? That doesn't change the fact that it also happened in-game, and involved many people. There were in-game man hunts. There were radio-broadcasts by him all the time. He was present for, like, lots of stuff in-game. The fact one character inspired all this is even more argument for it to be historical.....

No, Grim. You made the wrong fucking call. Hard-fucking-core. Not only procedurally, but also by going TOTALLY against the valid (and correctly informed) wishes of the community. Do the right thing and resign, of your own volition. ASAP. --WanYao 17:17, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Well... I think I've "talked" enough. Misconduct case again User:Grim_s filed. Grim, you can still avoid this -- by resigning voluntarily. --WanYao 17:43, 28 September 2008 (BST)

I've restored this to voting. If the community wishes to vote on it, who are we as sysops to stop them? If it was for something so incredibly ridiculous that it could be justified as deliberately spamming up the page, (such as the day you found a pair of socks) then I could understand. But this has merit as it could be interpreted as an historical event. Therefore I'm overruling Grim and returning it to voting. -- C h e e s e 19:48, 28 September 2008 (BST)

This thread is pretty :awesome: --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 19:49, 28 September 2008 (BST)

No, this thread isn't awesome. This thread sucks. While I fully understand why I was so furious, and I can't really disown any of it... And I have to stand by my position that Grim was very, very wrong... This thread actually really, really sucks... And I wish it hadn't come to this. I really do. It sucks. --WanYao 06:20, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Don't worry, I don't think any less of you. Someone had to break under the strain of having to put up with his arrogant bullshit sooner or later. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 10:18, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Complaints about the restoration of the Radio Survivor nomination

I've given you this location to bitch about its restoration, as I know Grim will, however I believe I've justified myself and that my actions are for the benefit of the community. Please discuss it here before you decide to bitch and whine and take me to misconduct. -- C h e e s e 19:48, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Bitch! Whine! Moan!

But, seriously... Thank you, Cheese. I've explained in the nomination and voting itself -- as well as in various "Talmudic commentaries" on that text ;P -- why I felt this was an event, justifying the nomination. My initial, and frankly I have to say pretty justified, anger at Grim for removing the nomination notwithstanding, I hope that we can all comport ourselves in a dignified and at least semi-professional manner in this matter. Uh, that's all, I guess, cheers. --WanYao 19:56, 28 September 2008 (BST)

A Word From the Man Himself

I am but a simple airwave jock - your wiki controversy confuses and frightens me. But I wanted to take a moment to thank everyone who lodged a "Yes" vote, and especially those of you who commented. Truth be told, weekly viewership averaged around 100 to 150 people. And with UD communications spread all over the internet, I was never entirely sure what affect Radio Survivor had on the community. I knew that a lot of people enjoyed the show/hunt but I didn't realize so many thought so highly of my efforts. This page has been a real eye opener, and for that I am grateful.

So far as this controversy is concerned, forgive me for being late to the party. I do agree with the naysayers that Radio Survivor doesn't fit neatly into one of the existing categories, but I wonder if those who don't want to see such an unusual situation be classified as an event have an alternative suggestion? I would humbly submit that what is needed is a whole new category just for Radio Survivor called, "The Greatest Thing to Happen to UD Since the Beta Test". Or you could compromise and give Radio Survivor an "Honorable Mention" page in Historical Events with disclaimers that it's only there because there is no where else to put it.

Whatever happens, know that this page, with praise from so many good people, is enough for me. Thanks again for playing along, everyone. RadioSurvivor 19:57, 20 October 2008 (BST) (Your pal, Jon.)

The Imperium Must Die/Invasion of Gibsonton

Many moons ago (around April 2008 according to the Earth calender) a brave man named Canderous Ordo was watching the Recent Changes page because he wanted to ruin somebody's day. To his surprise his day was ruined. Canderous saw the Imperium claiming St Matthew's Cathedral and was angered by this fact. Then, just as any other sane man would do, he went to the local forum and asked everyone to kill the Imperium. Then in record numbers group after group, man after man, chick after chick, and something after something, joined DORIS in their fight against the Imperium. The battle lasted one full month and ended (around May 2008) in a Clear PKer Victory. In the battle the Coalition, nickname for PKers involved, killed over 200 while there suffered only roughly 75 casualties. In the process the Gibsonton Nationals disbanded (not directly from the battle but aided in it) and so did the Imperium. The event became more important after it ended because several members of the Dulston Alliance and the something Airborne wanted to suppress the truth. In the end the Coalition won the case, and everyone ate chocolate cake. So vote now. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 20:18, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Yes --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 20:18, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - This was an absolute dramafest and deserves to be remembered. -- C h e e s e 20:21, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - Lulzy, yes. Historical, no. --Scorpios 20:21, 28 September 2008 (BST)
I would recommend looking up what historical means according to this wiki. The event must have affected either multiple suburbs or how the game was played for a group, such as triggering a change. As you can see, IMD fits that description. It took place in all of the NE and affected a lot of groups, disbanding two of them. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 20:24, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - DEM pancake FTW LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 20:23, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - KIRRU~ --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 20:27, 28 September 2008 (BST)
yes - lulzy, dramafest, historical... OMFG ITS TEH WHOLE PACKAGE!--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 20:55, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - Insignificant. Irrelevant. Petty. Affected a small group of players in a small part of the map (primarily Gibsontown and Dullstown. ZOMG there was PKing in Treweeke? Big deal). It merely happens to involve some folk who are very good at shouting above the crowds (read: spamming and trolling). --WanYao 21:16, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No to the Impirium must Die, Yes to Invasion of Gibsonton. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 21:24, 28 September 2008 (BST)
And to actually support Sonny on this...When Lincoln got shot we don't remember everyone who was in the theater, nor everyone who was in a certain plaza in Dallas. Perhaps the more important comparison is... Can you name every crew member of the Enola Gay? Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 00:05, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Can you name everyone who signed the Declaration of Independence? No. But I'd be surprised as shit if someone said that document ain't important. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 00:09, 30 September 2008 (BST)
exactly... Oddly enough I just had my students do reports on the signers... each student got a different signer to do a mini-biography on. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 01:06, 30 September 2008 (BST)
No - it might have been a yes, but the page linked to is covered in offensive homophobic language, rather than a description of an in-game event. Additionally, it does not describe the final result of all actions, as given in the linked-to arbitration ruling. A wiki is supposed to provide accurate information, not homophobic rantings and one-sided glimpses of in-game events. We should not be promoting other users of this wiki to be subject to the hate-filled baying of a small minority. --Funt Solo ^QT 21:30, 28 September 2008 (BST)
The battle page (linked under "battle") describes it in a NPOV way. The event's page was supposed to be POV. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 21:40, 28 September 2008 (BST)
I see that a new page (Invasion of Gibsonton) has now been linked to in the main heading, and if that had been the only link all along, I expect I wouldn't have dug deeper in the first place, and this would have been a simple Yes vote. However, I still find the troll-page linked to (The Imperium Must Die) needlessly offensive and provocative, and in digging deeper, it would seem that this entire event was one designed to harass and grief a group of players to the extent that they would suffer such ignominy as to leave the game entirely. That's not the sort of thing I would wish to promote with a Yes vote. It is possible to have someone as an opponent, and to defeat them, without all the hate, which (after all) can only serve to remove players from Urban Dead. Surely that's not what any of us want? (Note: I am aware of the difference between players and characters, and even taking into account role-play, my opinion is still as given. I will not promote uber-trolls, or their in-game antics.) --Funt Solo ^QT 22:08, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Hell No The Imperium itself wasn't acknowledged historical, so the event what "destroyed" it shouldn't be it either. Its either both, or both not.--MisterGame 22:24, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Before World War I began no one considered Serbia important. But after Franz Ferdinand was killed they were all of a sudden part of this huge historical mess we call The Great War. Now, according to your logic (which makes absolutely no sense) WWI is not important because Serbia was not important. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 22:33, 28 September 2008 (BST)
The nazi holocaust was considered historical (in a very, very negative way...) but so were the victims of it, the millions of Jews that died there.... If you want to view things from a historical point, be my guest. Makes allot more sense this way, no? (before some moron starts flaming me, no I am NOT comparing the PKers and survivors with nazis and jews).--MisterGame 15:35, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes you are. Whether you admit it or not, by definition that is what you are doing. I could say I'm actually standing on Mercury eating a gigantic piece of blue cheese, but that wouldn't change the fact that that is something I am patently not doing. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 16:07, 29 September 2008 (BST)

No I'm not, I am using an example in the same context like Sonny did to back up my argument. And even if it seems that way to you, I have made clear(for second time now) that I do not mean it that way.--MisterGame 18:42, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes to the Invasion of Gibsonton, but not to The Imperium Must Die -- the event itself qualifies, the coalition prolly doesn't. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 22:41, 28 September 2008 (BST)
No - Insignificant. Seems to be a war on an individual, with some random other peoples thrown in. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 22:47, 28 September 2008 (BST)
There was like 5 groups on each side fighting. Did you bother reading it? or tl;dr? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 23:17, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - If only the argument that sprung from them could be deemed historical.... --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 23:22, 28 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - Why? Because if this can be called historical, Ye Olde Uprising can eventually be called historical. Booyah. *eats cake*--Jen 00:18, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - If only because the Invasion of Gibsonton page was added. TBH, I think the IMD page should be a subpage of the Invasion of Gibsonton page, but that's a lot of work I'm sure no one wants to do. Evillic 00:36, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - We still keep seeing tons of drama thanks to these shenanigans. --William Told 01:51, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't an event's historical nature exist apart from whether or not it's perceived as a good thing? Sure, The IMD Coalition's page was homophobic as hell and incredibly immature, but its effects can still be felt. --William Told 18:43, 29 September 2008 (BST)
No - Wasn't ever that funny or clever or stupid, just ridiculous and sad. --Insomniac By Choice 04:08, 29 September 2008 (BST)
No An irrelevant event Sanpedro 04:34, 29 September 2008 (BST)
No - Not in any way significant to anyone not directly involved. --Papa Moloch 04:39, 29 September 2008 (BST)
No - Just re-read what Papa Moloch said. --Target Practice 04:45, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - ~~Because right now I feel like going against the wiki mob.~~I think it will indeed have a lasting impact on the game.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 05:07, 29 September 2008
No - Who?--ScouterTX 10:54, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes! - Because finis played a role in it, arbies FTW. also pretty lulzy all round really...--x o x o 13:27, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - because it educated the game's players about who the Imperium (who were unknown at the time) was, and how retarded they were. Not to mention that they have swingers parties with the Dulston Alliance.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 14:28, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - Yes, a very big event.--Drawde ^{Talk To Me! DORIS Red Rum Defend Ridleybonk! I know Nothing!} 15:44, 29 September 2008 (BST)
No This can't be historical without the Imperium being historical --Max890 17:35, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Hi. I already addressed that issue before. Just because you were involved in something historical doesn't make you historical. It means you were involved in a historical event. If you did something historical then you'd be historical. Now, stop being butthurt. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 19:51, 29 September 2008 (BST)
No - Essentially it was just a prolonged griefing session, these shouldn't merit historical status. Also Sonny's ego doesn't need any more encouragement. Any number of groups have been griefed out of existence or had griefing play a factor in their disbanding, that doesn't make it historical. --RichterFury 21:30, 29 September 2008 (BST)
No - As Richter and Moloch. --Paddy Dignam 23:29, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Wow. You just told people to consult a dictionary under Radio Survivor but you voted no here? If that isn't biased contradiction then I don't know what is. Pass the pipe, cause I gotta try what you're smoking. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 00:11, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Don't cry, Star Wars boy. Maybe you'll get those big bad Warhammer geeks in the next life. Actually, you'll probably be playing D&D together--with golden 20-sided dice! --Paddy Dignam 00:38, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Actually, gold is rather soft. So unless they were playing with cheap ass, like 4 karat golden dice, the edges would get warped and the results would no longer be random. I highly Garviel would tolerate such shoddy standards for the dice he uses in his games: I'm sure he sticks to the high end shit. --WanYao 08:44, 1 October 2008 (BST)
Warhammer uses only D6s (cubical dice), not D20s (icosahedral dice), and from the way he plays, I suspect Garviel only wargames. Not that there's anything wrong with that. >.> ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 02:49, 13 October 2008 (BST)
No - Being involved in something historical DOES make you historical. Since the Imperium was not voted historical, this can't be either. --Scott Timewell 23:33, 29 September 2008 (BST)
No it doesn't. The GIB weren't historical. The Zombies Scabs were big in Stanstock, they're not historical. Five Critics were in Santlerville, not historical. IB legionaires, Killer Zombie Tomatoes, Sons of Abraham, etc. They're not historical but were involved in historical events. The next time you say something retarded can you wear a funny beanie cap? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 23:57, 29 September 2008 (BST)
Ok, what I meant was that being central to something historical makes you historical. As evidence of the Imperium's centrality to the issue, I point to the name of your coalition--Scott Timewell 00:28, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Read above to Conndraka's response. Do you know everyone on the Enola Gay? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 00:46, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Just because I have no idea what their names are doesn't mean they aren't historical. It just means I don't know their names.--Scott Timewell 01:16, 30 September 2008 (BST)
NO - There was nothing historical about it. One group decided to fight another group. It happens all the time. Unless all groups involved are made historical, there is no reason this should be.--Ulfgard the Unmaker 00:23, 30 September 2008 (BST)
And while I'm at it, we're BACK! You didn't seriously expect to be rid of the Imperium so easily, did you?--Ulfgard the Unmaker 00:25, 30 September 2008 (BST)
First, don't break format, evar. And secondly, Paradox retired and came back. Thus proving your idea that coming back makes something null and void. One group did not fight another group. A shit load of groups fought a shit load of groups. And since the Imperium came back they cannot be made historical unless they make a new page saying the old Imperium is disbanded because a requirement for being historical is being disbanded. God, you Imperium/DA types must be inbred. Sysops, I'd like to request everyone who is mentally retarded, (ie: those who say all groups involved should be historical) be shot and their votes removed. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 00:46, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Dont cry because it doesnt get through the voting system. People are free in their choice of voting yes/no whether you agree with their argument or not. Of course, we all could just remove the argument and leave it with a simple "no". On a side note, why isn't this voting linked on the main page?--MisterGame 09:13, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Because you touch yourself at night to CP, sicko. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 18:48, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Sonny, there is no call for personal attacks here and now. That may be what you do best, and it may be the only way you know how to communicate, but I think that if you really want to ever be taken seriously, you ought to learn how to wrap your head around communication without insulting everything in sight. We don't like you, and you don't like us. That said, we've made a concerted effort to treat you with some modicum of respect and decency; it would look rather good for you if you stepped up and tried to communicate like a human being.--Ulfgard the Unmaker 00:52, 2 October 2008 (BST)
You have a sandy vagina. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 01:49, 3 October 2008 (BST)
NO - --Kristi of the Dead 01:33, 30 September 2008 (BST)
No - Bullied several people out the game, nothing to be proud of. --Lynch 01:51, 30 September 2008 (BST)
I'm proud. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 01:59, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - If only because it made me laugh.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 02:10, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Yes--Xan2020 03:35, 30 September 2008 (BST)
No - --Nallan (Talk) 04:46, 30 September 2008 (BST)
No as above ----Sexualharrison 05:22, 30 September 2008 (BST)
Yes - --the wallaby^♥ 20:53, 30 September 2008 (BST)
No - The wiki does not exist for the purpose of gratifying Sonny's ego.--Garviel Loken^{No Pity! No Remorse! No Fear! Talk}01:15, 2 October 2008 (BST)
But it should for your ego, rite? Also, Garviel sucks. Alaric is better.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:23, 2 October 2008 (BST)
No It should probably count but frankly I do not want to remember that one bunch of sad twats were bullied out of the game by a lounder bunch of sad twats! In the end though it changed nothing except to briefly put most of the idiots in one part of the map making it a safe bet that running in to shoot one of them was a good deed--Honestmistake 10:05, 3 October 2008 (BST)
No - I still don't like the sound of making a fuss out of destroying a lame, unhistorical group. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 11:25, 4 October 2008 (BST)
Yes - I wasn't even involved and I thought it was great. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:20, 8 October 2008 (BST)
No - User:Whitehouse 15:51, 8 October 2008 (BST)

Vote Cut off was at 20:18, 12 October 2008 (BST)
#Yes – Hilarious, many groups involved on both sides, lots of killing, masses of very public meta-drama, and had lasting effects that are still being felt today. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 02:49, 13 October 2008 (BST)

For 18 (42.9%)Against24 (57.1%) Motion Fails Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 05:31, 13 October 2008 (BST)

March of The Dead

On 14 June 2009, Giles Sendik voted Yes on this Discussion question. Therefore, I believe that Giles Sendik seeks to propose the March of the dead as a historical event, and therefore, have moved the discussion of March of the dead over to this heading to be voted on.--ShadowScope^{'the true enemy'} 06:27, 14 June 2009 (BST)

There's no arguing this didn't affect most of malton. And the find rate for syringes had to be raised to stop it so it sure changed the way we play the game.
Concerning the March of The Dead, let's give this one another go.

and while I'm here - We decline.--

#99 ^DCC 13:35, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Clarification: the Dead have no desire to ever be a "historical group" however, March of the Dead could be considered.--– Nubis ^NWO 04:17, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Clarification - This was posted in September 2008 when the group was still very active in DH and obviously on the wiki. As the leader of the Dead I wasn't going to say Fuck yeah our group's done! And Nubis is a douche and was trying to "help". AM I RITE?

It's been well over a year now since we were here or storming around Malton. This nomination was (originally) posted as a snide way of saying that the Dead were "over". And that mess with trying to get Radio Survivor as a historic group or event is horrific. There was something that affected the game as well and now has no fucking acknowledgment at all.

But fine whatever. I don't care because some asshole will come along later and decide that we don't deserve it since they never heard of us. -- #99 ^DCC 17:41, 14 June 2009 (BST)

Yes

Yes - This should be a no-brainer. Crit 1 and 2 are met. --_GANG Giles Sednik_CAPD 01:32, 14 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - If this doesn't count, I don't know what should. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 03:12, 14 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - As above.--ShadowScope^{'the true enemy'} 06:27, 14 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - Well yeah. --Thadeous Oakley 09:56, 14 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - It WAS a large, historical event, so I vote yes.--Yonnua Koponen^{Talk ! Contribs} 13:35, 14 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - It doesn't matter if they want it or not, and it doesn't matter if they don't give a shit about the wiki. They changed the game (does anyone remember the game?). Then again, this category is more of a circle jerk than anything else (see the Radio Survivor nomination), so I won't be surprised when this nomination gets denied. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 19:24, 14 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - Crit 1 and 2 are met --C Whitty 10:08, 15 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - I'm reading DCC's comment as "this is fine now". Linkthewindow Talk 10:21, 15 June 2009 (BST)
Yes As link.--Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 10:29, 16 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - DDR took the words right off my keyboard. --Honestmistake 11:01, 16 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - The criteria seems to be fullfilled. J.I 16:03, 14 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - Definitely. --Midianian^{¦T¦DS¦SP¦} 12:33, 16 June 2009 (BST)
Yes So, so, SO OBVIOUS.----Dedling 15:57, 16 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - Duh.--Zombie Lord 23:43, 16 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - Teh Dedz wanted to break the game. They changed the face of UD, even if they didn't succeed in their stated goals. And... even if they want to be all Freudian (or maybe it's an admission of failure????) and deny the fact that they were trying make the ultimate historical event in UD's history... imnsho they don't actually have that ability to refuse the nomination: it's for the community to decide. --WanYao 14:51, 17 June 2009 (BST)
Strong Yes --Pyrranha 22:17, 18 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - Apparently I missed this vote. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 22:22, 18 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - Regardless of their goals or politics, destruction of the magnitude they caused doesn't happen very often in this game. --Hibernaculum 02:59, 19 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - Of course Sanpedro 07:50, 19 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - YUSH! --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}07:55, 19 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - The March of the Dead represents one of the most exciting times in Malton, and was truly one of the few events that no one could escape. You could dodge any given siege, but the life of every human and unlife of every zombie was affected by this event. RadioSurvivor 03:16, 25 June 2009 (BST)
Holy shit! Uncle Zeddie! Getting in to the historical category is now meaningless compared to this. Thanks, man.-- #99 ^DCC 16:15, 27 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - Changed UD history. --Haliman - Talk 15:41, 27 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - Obviously one of the most important events in the history of the game. --Papa Moloch 15:53, 27 June 2009 (BST)
Yes- Because the voices tell me to vote yes. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 10:59, 29 June 2009 (BST)
Yes - The central group involved doesn't have to be polite or have a positive attitude for it to be historic, and it clearly was. --Violet Begonia _{Dean MCM MOB} 17:09, 3 July 2009 (BST)

No

no they don't want it so fuck them. they could give two shits about this game or the wiki. and have stated so on many occasions.----Sexualharrison 08:20, 14 June 2009 (BST)
no - it's been declined, so lets not force it upon them. --x o x o 10:02, 14 June 2009 (BST)
no - just my opinion.--Bonghit420 10:23, 14 June 2009 (BST)
No - but would change to yes in a heartbeat if one of the Dead's member (specifically Nubis or DCC, who turned this down above,) come over and said that they want this. Linkthewindow Talk 10:35, 14 June 2009 (BST)

~~no As link --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 10:47, 14 June 2009 (BST)~~
Did either of you two read above? Nubis said he wanted March to be considered. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 16:04, 14 June 2009 (BST)
and DCC said no. --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 16:07, 14 June 2009 (BST)
And Nubis clarified? These dead are confusing folk. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 16:13, 14 June 2009 (BST)
Plus Link said 'Nubis or DCC', Nubis said he wanted this (speaking on behalf of DCC too I believe), and either you would accept this or you shouldn't have put 'as Link'. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 16:15, 14 June 2009 (BST)

IN SEPTEMBER OF 2008 ! DATES PEOPLE! You don't make something that is only 6 months old HISTORIC! What the fuck isa wrong with you people? -- #99 ^DCC 17:44, 14 June 2009 (BST)
I've seen stuff go up for voting a week after its closure. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 17:48, 14 June 2009 (BST)
No - As above. --Private Mark 02:10, 15 June 2009 (BST)
No - As above. Asheets 16:02, 16 June 2009 (BST)
No for personal reasons. Yes, I really can hold grudges for a really long time. Heck, it even says so in my basic horoscope profile! --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} (status:‎Mudkip!) 19:30, 18 June 2009 (BST)
No - For the irritation -- T^HEL^ORDG^UNS^LINGER 00:33, 21 June 2009 (BST)

Blackmore 4(04)

(Vote started Sept 8, 2010 03:38; Closes Sept 22, 2010 03:38)

On August 19th, 2010, 404: Barhah not found repaired The Blackmore Building in what the group's leaders called a "failed pinata attempt." This so-called "Failed Pinata" stood for 13 days in the heart of Ridleybank and weathered innumerable attacks from the RRF Constables, ferals, PKers, and elements of the RRF before finally succumbing on August 31 to a joint strike by the Constables and Team America.

Blackmore 4(04) was one of the longest large sieges since the introduction of cade blocking. It included over 300 participants from over thirty groups, several of which seemed to have made a brief return from retirement to celebrate the original Battle of Blackmore's 4th anniversary.

One final point of interest was the introduction of Bellow, which got it's first real demonstration at Blackmore. Surprisingly, the skill appeared to be a dual-edged sword- while it did attract many ferals to the event, it also emptied the surrounding area of it's traditional feral cloud. Several survivor groups were able to take advantage of this drop in zombie numbers to repair larg-ish sections of central Malton- the jury is still out on how long these hideout will hold, of course. :) ~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 03:38, 8 September 2010 (BST)

Yes

It's been quite a while since I've seen something this big. ~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 03:38, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Aye, go for it. 03:41, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Both for the accomplishment of lasting as long and drawing as much attention as it did, as well as being a nice showcase for the new skills for survivors and zombies. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 03:47, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Meatpuppet vote a-go! Erm...I mean...yes, the event was most certainly historically significant. It garnered widespread attention and attendance from a large number of the major groups currently in the game. For an impromptu event, it was unprecedented in recent years. As an event in general, it stands alone in that it proved that it is still possible to stand up against dedicated strike teams over an extended period of time in this post-interference era. It also deserves historical status as a testament to the immense efforts of those involved on all sides, some of which never had a chance to come to fruition. For instance, had it not cracked when it did, we'd be writing about the piñata strategy that the RRF used to finally crack the place a few days later. Either way, it is an event set apart and deserving of the historical status. —Aich on— 03:50, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Er… no. Blackmore folded almost as soon as the strike teams got there. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 15:56, 21 September 2010 (BST)
It folded about two days after the majority of the RRF's strike teams arrived and began attacking either Blackmore or the infrastructure, yes, but Blackmore was holding out against some of them well before the majority of them got back (e.g. The Constables were on the scene from day 2 or so onwards).

Also, on a personal note, it's extremely discouraging to see so many zombie players dismissing this event because the "survivors didn't hold out long enough" or some such. The truth of the matter was, we had about 1-2 dozen folks in IRC every single moment of those 13 days who were refreshing the page minute-by-minute in order to maintain the barricades. It was a gargantuan effort to maintain that over nearly two weeks constantly with no time off and no time to rest. And, as much as I love having zombie characters in strike teams, and as much as I love saying that zombies have it tougher in general (they absolutely do), this was honestly the single hardest thing that I think many of us have ever done in the game, either as a survivor or as a zed (and many of those involved play both sides).

In a siege situation, for zombies to establish a beachhead, they need to get everyone online for about 5-15 minutes. To repel that attack, the survivors have to have the same level of coordination and activity, but instead of merely needing to maintain it for 5-15 minutes a day, they have to maintain it constantly and be ready at any moment for it to arrive (especially when dealing with smart teams, such as the RRF's, which will delay their strikes from the posted times in order to throw off the survivors). That's why it's never done by survivors, and that's one reason why zeds always win large-scale sieges quickly now. In this event, however, the survivors tried to do just that, and they succeeded in large part in proving that it was possible. Once the scale increased, there was no way they could hold out, of course, since there's only so much AP to go around, but that shouldn't diminish what took place in the least. They may not have held out against the RRF's premiere teams for months on end, but they did hold out and did so at the cost of hours and hours each day, which is why you don't see any of those involved in the real-time aspect of this event being too eager to repeat it. —Aich on— 22:13, 21 September 2010 (BST)
Welcome to "Exactly what you and friends did with Escape" land. -- LEMON #1 23:26, 21 September 2010 (BST)
Seriously. But there's a big difference between 400+ uncoordinated idiots getting together for a lame-brained reason, and a handful of intelligent folks coordinating decisively to prove that it's possible to withstand zombie interference, if only for awhile. ESCAPE actually thought they would win. We never had any such misconceptions. We only hoped to demonstrate the possibilities of what could be done with real coordination. I think we showed both its benefits and its limitations. It can only take you so far, as the RRF proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. —Aich on— 23:30, 21 September 2010 (BST)
Doesn't matter what you think of the survivors and their intentions, the sheer scale of the event and the achievement of getting that many people together is indeed worthy of historic note, which I also believe you said at the time? But yeah, it'd just be toooooo unfair to allow one side be named historical when No Escape gets no credit that way gosh -- LEMON #1 23:44, 21 September 2010 (BST)
Yep, I said it at the time. If someone makes a page for the ESCAPE event, I'd vote it as historical. I just didn't think that the group itself was historical in that they failed to meet any of their objectives and just failed in general. The event wasn't a bust, however. —Aich on— 23:58, 21 September 2010 (BST)

Except that, in my mind, the big difference between this and Escape is that Escape has actually had a measurable impact on Malton's 2010 history. Yes, Escape failed, but it represented an unique, one-time event, and more importantly. it (and the No Escape response) helped form a catalyst for starting the Big Bash 3, which has helped drive the game towards its current zombie majority. What is the lasting impact of this? Ridleybank is back to its status quo, and the RRF has returned to its pre-event activities without a blip. It would be one thing if there was an established history of admitting things like 5th of Nov, etc, but there is not. It's hard to see what separates this from similar, non-historical events, and it's even harder to see how this event plays a role in Malton's greater history. No one is (or should be) saying that the efforts of the survivors shouldn't be recognized; many of us are just having trouble understanding how or why this fits in with rest of the historical events that have helped define the game-MHSstaff 23:47, 21 September 2010 (BST)
But hey, maybe it's a good thing to lower the bar per se, and let in a lot more events that show Malton's history. -MHSstaff 23:51, 21 September 2010 (BST)

The ESCAPE event had a measurable impact, sure, and the fallout was significant. I won't disagree there. As for this event, it represents a change in the winds. It was the first time that survivors sought to demonstrate through action that large-scale zombie interference and beachhead tactics could be overcome through the use of proper coordination and response, rather than merely relying on critical mass being reached (which is what ESCAPE relied on). In that, they were successful. The b0nk may have returned to its previous state, and the RRF may have moved on, but this demonstration proves that something which was previously thought to either be impossible or nearly impossible is, in fact, within the reach of any survivor group that's willing to coordinate as we did, and will hopefully be the first of more to come. —Aich on— 23:58, 21 September 2010 (BST)
I disagree with almost everything said in the above summary. There was 10 days of fending off a large, but completely feral horde, 2 days of Zombie River Tactics, and 1 day of siege. However, this plague of ridiculous Pro-Life POV doesn't make the event less than significant. --VVV^RPGMBCWS 04:17, 8 September 2010 (BST)
I disagree with almost all of your numbers for days and your categorization of those excellent and coordinated RRF members as "a completely feral horde" (I saw iWits at that time with RRF numbers listed which disagree with your assertion). —Aich on— 04:51, 8 September 2010 (BST)
I vote yes because of the Naked Twister. --Justin 04:29, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Totally. It should be a historic event, because it was. Sorry I sorta ruined the whole thing with POLNGOAK --Justinbronze 04:31, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Hey, don't feel too bad. If it weren't for you, this would have never happened in the first place. ~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 04:38, 8 September 2010 (BST)

Ironically, Project Operation delayed the destruction of Blackmore. Upon hearing of a survivor insurgency, most Ridleys thought it was just foolish Project Operatives, and that random ferals could handle it. It was only when the intelligent survivors started declaring their presence that the RRF decided to smash them personally. --VVV^RPGMBCWS 04:40, 8 September 2010 (BST)

POLNGOAK did a thousand times better than anyone predicted. It failed to the hordes, it was a bit short lived, but you achieved something and should be proud. -- LEMON #1 04:41, 8 September 2010 (BST)
-- LEMON #1 04:35, 8 September 2010 (BST)
A week these days in UD is like a year. Of course I vote, "Yes!' When was the last time this much fun was has by survivors? Naked Twister is, of course, a good enough excuse, too. DianaWarrenUD 04:43, 8 September 2010 (BST)Diana Warren
It ended the day I arrived, but I heard it was a nice event. --Colette Hart 05:26, 8 September 2010 (BST)
If only it lasted longer. Maybe to Christmas. -- Da Ninja ^{Random/AS also 404 Groupie Overlord in another life} 08:10, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Looks worthy enough too me. Oidar 08:50, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Yup --Thadeous Oakley 10:43, 8 September 2010 (BST)
While I, as a participant, might be slightly biased - Yes. Technical Pacifist 11:04, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Yes. --

^SDN 11:32, 8 September 2010 (BST)
When exactly was the last time DoHS had to track back to clean the bonk from harmanbargarz? Even if it took only the first actually timed strike to crack Blackmore, that alone in and of itself is historical. -- Spiderzed ▋ 15:18, 8 September 2010 (BST)
iirc (and i'm really not sure and cbf looking back on forums) but the DoHS alone twice and the full horde once during the year preceding this. ♥ Moonie ^{Talk | Testimonials} 02:20, 10 September 2010 (BST)
Yes. Nice page, almost like I was there. ~ 15:42, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Yes, because I was finally involved in something reasonably important. Asheets 16:35, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Because after the shambles of Escape it was nice to show that well organised survivors and dedicated zombies can get together for a respectable shingdig. --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 17:00, 8 September 2010 (BST)
In this current low activity time this is very significant--E Gadus 21:06, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Even to me, an idiot, this siege screams "Historically Important", I vote yes.William Burns 22:10, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Initially, I thought that this was just another tossy attempt to hold a building with no real success. After about a weak, Red posted on the DA forums calling for more men. The fact that survivors lived for a week alone in Blackmore would be pretty damn good, but 13 days with up to 100 zombies knocking wasn't at all bad.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:21, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Definatly it was a direct attempt to hold the most crucial building in the middle of zombie homeland and for the fact that everyone had fun even with defenders & gore corps chatting with each other that's why i should become a historical event. --Andy25100 22:41 8 September 2010
--KyleStyle 00:24, 9 September 2010 (BST)
I'm a day late to vote for my own thing. -- Rolfe Steiner ^{Talk | Creedy Guerrilla Raiders} 02:13, 9 September 2010 (BST)
Yes, by contemporary standards this was a big event.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 03:48, 9 September 2010 (BST)
Yeah.--ZIPO/Talk/◆◆◆/CAPD 07:58, 9 September 2010 (BST)
I too say hell yeah! FinnishNinja 21:12, 9 September 2010 (BST)
Yes. Shadok^{T Balance is power} 22:05, 9 September 2010 (BST)
YES.--Belisarius17 03:40, 10 September 2010 (BST)
Yes, because it was awesome. --Emerald Green 05:22, 11 September 2010 (BST)
Yes, this was the only recent siege where the survivors stood and fought instead of breaking and running.--Tyl110 19:05, 11 September 2010 (BST)
Yup. J.I 08:35, 12 September 2010 (BST)
yes S.Butler 15:09, 12 September 2010 (BST)
Yes--HiteiKan 23:37, 12 September 2010 (BST)
Yes of course it wasnt as big as the caiger sieges but this battle is one of those that gets remembered and should be told by the veterans in dark bars around malton. Kinvalor75 12 September 2010
Yup. Chris Ortego 20:21, 13 September 2010 (BST)
yes Pvtchristopher, 13 september 2010
Yes Sure, compared to older battles it wasn't as good, but I think Rosslessness mentioned something about ratios: compared to then, numbers in-game and survivor coordination are vastly inferior. Nowadays, 20 ferals can clear a mall, but in the old days, wasn't it supposed to take a whole horde to crack them? I thought that's why there were Mall Tours. As far as I've seen through my relatively short stint in the game, survivor morale is at an all-time low and river tactics are in wide use. The fact that this new Blackmore crew didn't scatter to the four winds after the first major break-in (16 zeds that were CR's within a few minutes) is quite a feat among these darker days, I think. --Wraith 03:08, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Yes, --Mindlessidiots 03:52, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Yes, Aichon detailed it well enough why it satisfies the requirements of Historical Events. -Wulfenbach 06:35, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Yes, Wraith has an excellent point. It doesn't normally take 100+ zeds to cap a lone NT, those Humans involved deserved mad props for going as long as they did. --Damien falcon 04:34, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Yes. Because it rocked! And the surprisingly great diversity of survivor players that came together and took a STAND! :O Sometimes I wish sieges would last longer like they did in the old epic sieges, but IMO true longevity just isn't possible in the era of cade blocking. It's too easy for strike teams, or even a few ferals breaking in just at the right moment, to beachhead long enough for the mob of zombies to come pouring in. I'm really impressed by how long we lasted, though. I wonder how much longer we'd have lasted if it were in the old days before cade blocking? --Fiffy ⁴⁰⁴ ^♥ ^OBR ^♥ ^RRF 08:29, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Yes - While some may argue that battles lasted much longer years ago, we must take into account the balance of the current game. For a group of humans to last 2 weeks in the heart of the zombie homeland is an incredible feat. Their fall may have been inevitable but a damn good fight was put up. --Thomas Midwestern 16:44 16 September 2010
Yes. Undoubtedly. Twelve days successfully sieging in the heart of Ridleybank, in the cade-blocking era, at a rare time when zombies outnumbered survivors? Fuck yeah. The impressive array of survivor groups that got involved, the sheer bloody-minded determination of 404 and friends to cade-watch 24-7, and the beautifully swift way we dealt with break-ins? I'll have some of that. Making the RRF shit the proverbial bed and have to send moar to Blackmore? Priceless, frankly. This was an exciting and energising pro-survivor event well worth remembering, despite the usual hardcore zombie zealots flapping that it somehow wasn't enough... --BOSCH 08:47, 20 September 2010 (BST)
Yes! It was a great event, and I'm glad to have been part of it. :) --Desyana 10:25, 21 September 2010 (BST)

No

This is supposed to stand alongside the real Battle of Blackmore, the Caiger sieges, Santlerville and all the others? No. It was fun while it lasted, but it has all the lasting impact of a fart in a wind tunnel. (I do like the boxing picture in the article though. ;o) )--Papa Moloch 05:26, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Fun, well written, i bet this happens again like next week. and can you imagine how many dead hamsters moloch has in his buthole? the stench!----sexualharrison ¯\()/¯ 05:53, 8 September 2010 (BST)
I feel like this just didn't last long enough to really be called historical. It didn't reach a fever pitch, and in general, I feel like this is mostly just going to be forgotten. It won't be talked about with warm pride like the original Blackmore or Caiger.--Hiro Kazama 02:44, 9 September 2010 (BST)
I agree with Red Hawk is was nice to see an event this size going on, but to last as short as it did and center only around this building ...I can't vote yes on it. --
- Timmah!
- Talk
02:47, 9 September 2010 (BST)
While the article is VERY well written (should be put up for good article nomination or whatever), the event itself definitely was not historical. Blackmore folded almost as soon as the RRF actually arrived on site (bulk of the horde didn't actually get to Blackmore until the day before it was over). Was it a good time? Yes. Was it historical? Fuck no. If they held against the strike teams + gc for a week or two, then I would listen. --Papa Johnny 13:59, 9 September 2010 (BST)
History by vote is a broken concept but whatever. This was fun and the article itself is very well-written. But as events go, this is still largely business as usual for downtown. I'm not sure what separates this from the semi-annual battles/invasions that take place in Ridleybank/Blackmore every year. For this to be added, all the other yearly dances should be added as well. Based on what is already in the category, Escape/No Escape would be a much better example of something that is both unique and historical. This, by comparison, falls just a little short. -MHSstaff 15:54, 9 September 2010 (BST)
No. While they did live for a while, once the entire horde arrived in town, it took only one strike each of AU10 and the Constables before a breach was made which was never pushed out. The arrival of the Team America strike merely cemented the breach, and it was really over before it began. The prevention of the homeland guard from reruining Blackmore was an achievement in itself, but this "battle" pales in comparison to the original.-- Adward 17:35, 9 September 2010 (BST)
And yet the horrifically POV article fails to credit AU10 at all :( ♥ Moonie ^{Talk | Testimonials} 02:26, 10 September 2010 (BST)
It was announced on the front page about a week ago that suggested changes were actively being solicited, and it is in the public namespace. Feel free to add appropriate credit where it's due or correct the "reek" of POV that you mention elsewhere. After all, the folks writing it didn't have access to all of the details since they were primarily survivors during the event and were simply doing their best to write it up as they saw it. And since it is an event page, not a group page or something of that sort, it should accurately reflect what happened and can be changed in reasonable ways by anyone. I'd add credit to AU10 myself if I knew when and where it was due, but I don't. —Aich on— 02:47, 10 September 2010 (BST)
Who the fuck is AU10? -- LEMON #1 03:21, 10 September 2010 (BST)
RRF strike team. I believe I had heard that it was a joint strike between AU10 and TA that cracked Blackmore at the end, but I may be mistaken, and I don't know what other contributions they may have made since I'm not privy to those conversations. —Aich on— 04:17, 10 September 2010 (BST)
I was kidding. LOL jk I thought he meant 10 australians. -- LEMON #1 04:29, 10 September 2010 (BST)
AU10 broke in earlier, but we didn't make the beachhead.-- Adward 22:33, 10 September 2010 (BST)
Although it was great fun, and we lasted longer that we thought we would I don't think it was a historical event. Important yes, it was nice to get involved with something that wasn't a complete failtrain. Historical No. Next time Gadget, Next time! Cadwah 19:07, 9 September 2010 (BST)
Because of you I am now listening to the Inspector Gadget theme on repeat.-- Rolfe Steiner ^{Talk | Creedy Guerrilla Raiders} 20:39, 9 September 2010 (BST)
Because Viktor wasn't around--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 22:11, 9 September 2010 (BST)
No. The page is exaggerated in it's significance, includes multiple fallacies, and reeks of survivor POV. Needs to be rewritten or include additional sections from the zombie side. ♥ Moonie ^{Talk | Testimonials} 23:22, 9 September 2010 (BST)
Not really long enough for a historical status in my books. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} 23:28, 9 September 2010 (BST)
Hear ye, hear ye! Events doth be written unto history should be of GREAT length! --Aeon17x 11:43, 12 September 2010 (BST)
Well written (although very POV) article, but historical event? Ehhhh, probably too soon. Lets get a zambah version of the story going and we'll talk. :)--Agent Sandman 03:06, 10 September 2010 (BST)
No because I wasnt there and thats all I have to say on the matter :P --C Whitty 20:18, 10 September 2010 (BST)
No Too soon to be "historical", eh?--Akbar 14:05, 11 September 2010 (BST)
No The rules for historical status do not require a waiting period, granted, but this was not the Big Bash, or the first Iditarod; it wasn't a HUGE event in short. It was a valiant effort, but compared to the first attempt, or the Gingerbread men Candization of Ridleybank, it's just another attempt to hold a building in Ridleybank. I mean, if a group can SURPASS the original Blackmore Battle in terms of time, or numbers of survivors called in, or slaughter, or something else that is MORE than the original, then yes, it's notable. But lets not dilute the original by comparing it as equal to something less in all respects. In short, nice try, good training, DO IT AGAIN. -Wulfenbach 04:54, 14 September 2010 (BST)
No This is part of what's wrong with battles anymore. The humans hold out a paltry two weeks and still pat themselves on the back in victory. The original Battle of Blackmore lasted 2 months! This was nothing. It was a tiny blip on the radar if anything at all. -Loup Garou 06:00, 14 September 2010 (BST)
The problem is that the game has changed from one where sieges favored survivors to one where things are more balanced (though I would still argue that further balancing is necessary), yet no one seems willing to acknowledge that a change has happened, and many are unfairly comparing the new against the old. Two month sieges on this sort of scale just can't feasibly happen any longer. Lasting for two weeks against a handful of strikes and a lot of ferals took 24/7 vigilance and real-time coordination to accomplish, whereas in the old days a single survivor could ruin a strike team's day singlehandedly, due to the lack of zombie interference. That it takes a greater level of coordination and skill to accomplish a lesser feat is not the fault of modern survivors, and for their accomplishments to be so readily dismissed without a consideration for the context...well, it's disappointing. —Aich on— 08:16, 14 September 2010 (BST)
Fuckin' A. The game's radically changed, the numbers have dropped, and organisation and large numbers is scarce. -- LEMON #1 09:15, 14 September 2010 (BST)

I don't think it's that much of a "ready dismissing", Aichon. Yes, the game has changed, and it is far more balanced now for zombies when besieging a target, but as I said in my vote, the numbers of survivors involved wasn't nearly the number that were in the original Battle, nor apparently (granted, opinion, rather than observable fact) was the coordination of the assembled 404 crowd at the same level to the News Channel 4 group. I am, admittedly, using the original as the minimum standard to compare this event against, but even if it's easier for zombies to hold the breach, how was the action shown any match or even better for the original event? I am certainly not saying that they didn't give it a good try, but (AFAIK) they fell to two zombie strike teams with screwed up coordination between the two, followed by one team that cracked and shelled it. Compare this against the original event where the survivors (reportedly in excess of 200 and dozens of groups) held out for a month at a 3+:1 ratio against the three largest zombie hordes in the game at that time. From the BoB article, Shacknews finally cracked Blackmore with more than 250 zombies in a single coordinated strike, after having devastating the Nichols Mall area and the attached NT facility. Hundreds of survivors fought off hundreds of zombies over multiple TRPs in two different suburbs. To me, THAT'S a notable battle. This, this was comparable to a skirmish in the original battle. -Wulfenbach 10:11, 14 September 2010 (BST)
That was when any retard with too much spare AP could magically drag desks behind the 20 zombies in front of the door, and then whack the sleeping shamblers at will with little fear of reinforcements. Now even a fraction of the survivors inside is enough to completely fuck the defenders, provided that fraction is large enough to trigger cade blocking. Hell, with the old pre-cade-blocking mechanics, even Escape would have been a success by sheer numerical advantage alone. While I'm not saying that the original Battle of Blackmore was something any retard could have done, the situation today is plainly u-n-c-o-m-p-a-r-a-b-l-e. With today's rules, the original BoB crew with the same amount of effort probably wouldn't hold out for much more than those two weeks that 404 + allies held Blackmore. -- Spiderzed ▋ 10:23, 14 September 2010 (BST)
Using relative numbers isn't really a true reflection. Reading the original blackmore article it seems there were about 200 true bastards. Yes. The 140 survivors assembled is less, but remember that the 200 or so was out of an active playing base of well over 40,000. today its only 18,000 likewise zombie numbers of 150+ isn't the same as 300, but in comparative terms (with a halving of the player base), its entertained a similar percentage of malton's population. --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 10:54, 14 September 2010 (BST)
I wouldn't bother trying to reason with him, he's basically already admitted that he accepts that as a fact but still wants to vote against. -- LEMON #1 10:55, 14 September 2010 (BST)

No, DDR, I am willing to be reasoned with (shock, yes, but it does happen on this wiki, you know; jaded much? :grin:). Ross, I would think that relative numbers are the only way to compare, given we're comparing the two events directly, heck, I'm using the original as the defining bar to pass. Spiderzed does make a good point about 'cade blocking; I am under the impression that 'cade blocking is relative to the zombie:survivor ratio though. As it approaches 1:1+, 'cade blocking appears to be much harder without organized action by the zeds. At what minimum ratio do the zeds have a clear advantage though? What about my point of relative zombie numbers? Does anyone have reliable figures on their numbers and the numbers needed to crack the siege?

I hadn't thought about the relative amount of the playerbase showing up, granted, since in terms of percentage, the 404 event apparently had a higher game pop. percentage. That's certainly a mark for inclusion, I'll agree to. Also, what about the multiple suburb requirement of the historical vote? Someone previously mentioned bellow to satisfy this, since it covered multiple suburbs. I'm not entirely satisfied with that, since to me multiple suburbs would be like the Iditarod's crossing of Malton. Perhaps someone from the zombie side wants to explain why this was a game-altering mechanic for them? Did the survivor side try anything new in tactics that changed how the game was played? -Wulfenbach 05:35, 15 September 2010 (BST)
We are reasoning with you and you are refusing to budge over all the obvious and logical evidence to why this shouldn't be directly compared to the first Blackmore Battle that happened 4 years ago and since then major, major changes have occurred to the game and game numbers have decreased dramatically. You may notice that your vote means shit to the "yes" voters' cause too, so don't think they are coming here to get you to change your vote, I at least am only here just in hope you magically attain the ability to assess things logically and holistically. And for fuck's sake, before you respond with your brick wall post, please learn to format again, it does happen on this wiki. Thanks in advance. -- LEMON #1 06:17, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Then I invite you to reread my posting. My questions are being answered, and intelligently, and so I am changing my position on those points. That's both discussion and reasoning, DDR. Your snarkiness aside, fine, you state that the comparison should not be versus the original event. Alright, if that's the point of contention, I'll bend on that and say that the event should be included. Aichon summed it up well enough in his Yes vote text as to why it changed the game for multiple survivor groups. And DDR, just to help improve your mood, I'll go one better and actually relearn wiki formatting and functionality, since it's been quite some time since I last contributed. -Wulfenbach 06:32, 15 September 2010 (BST)
My god. Thank you. -- LEMON #1 06:44, 15 September 2010 (BST)
As a Praetorian I have patrolled the bonk for almost two years apart from the odd venture out, The Kilt Store and other have taken blackmoar numerous times a year and held it for 3-7 days against a small force feral RRF's and larger force of ferals. I dont see how holding it for 2 weeks against a feral force is historical. Yes it was enjoyable but historical no, it folded 2 days after the horde arrived--Zed707 05:31, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Your horde arrived? -- LEMON #1 05:47, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Yep, the majority of the RRF horde did arrive in the b0nk about a day or two before Blackmore fell. —Aich on— 06:19, 16 September 2010 (BST)
I think he was questioning the use of the word the. As in, there was already a horde when RRF got there. Which depends on what you consider a horde. --VVV^RPGMBCWS 06:29, 16 September 2010 (BST)
No my point was that he questions the achievement of holding Blackmore for 2 weeks when they needed to bring the entire horde back to Bonk simply to stop it from going on more than a fortnight. Nah, not even special. -- LEMON #1 06:38, 16 September 2010 (BST)
I think it is more questioning as to how Blackmore XII: The Search for Curly's Gold is any more historic than Blackmore II-Whatever/5th of November/Candyland/Lets invade Ridleybank...This time, it's for teh win. None of these events have historic status. Perhaps they should, but that is a different argument. If this is added in, many others things should be added in as well. -MHSstaff 17:19, 16 September 2010 (BST)

Honestly, what really kills things like this is for whatever reason, the bar for historical status in the past has been set somewhat high. Which means if you are going by precedent, the odds of something truly epic or unique (compared to what is already in there) happening during these twilight years is probably somewhat unlikely. That said, if you took away the wiki article and looked back at game events of 2010 that helped shape and define UD-2010, would this make the cut? Maybe but I am not convinced.-MHSstaff 18:04, 16 September 2010 (BST)
If "Bashing Back", the largest battle in recent memory which also occurred during a strategy altering game-change, was not made historical, this pointless raid into Ridleybank is not worthy enough --Blanemcc 18:43, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Hey, aren't you that PKer?--Yonnua Koponen^{Talk ! Contribs} 18:44, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Someone sounds bitter.-- Rolfe Steiner ^{Talk | Creedy Guerrilla Raiders} 20:20, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Me or him?--Yonnua Koponen^{Talk ! Contribs} 22:27, 16 September 2010 (BST)
I don't think he understands. -- LEMON #1 22:42, 16 September 2010 (BST)
I'm saying Blane is bitter because Blackmore 4 looks so far like its going to get the needed vote whereas Bashing Back's only testament to it even existing (and to be honest I've not heard of it before now) is a disputed POV template. Blanes listed as one of the leaders of that as well-- Rolfe Steiner ^{Talk | Creedy Guerrilla Raiders} 22:28, 17 September 2010 (BST)
See, I've heard of the "Battle of Pitneybank," where the infamous cade blocking was introduced and would happily vote for that. The way I see it, if you had a few guys go through and clean up some of the loaded words (as TripleU and MHStaff have been doing here) and change the page's title from "Bashing Back: The Battle of Pitneybank" to the more recognizable "Battle of Pitneybank," I could see it getting voted in. ~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 00:23, 18 September 2010 (BST)

Why shouldn't he be bitter? He recounted the biggest battle that happened in 2008, 2009 and most of 2010, and it was rejected not because it was a bad battle (hint: it was amazing), it was rejected because the UDWiki community didn't like the way he wrote it, the community of which just left trash on the battle's talk page not actually helping anything or fixing the page themselves. Even I'm fucking bitter about it. And you either didn't hear of the battle cause you're too young or an ignoramus. -- LEMON #1 07:51, 18 September 2010 (BST)
I'll stop by the wiki page and post a screenshot of the template once this passes just for you and him.-- Rolfe Steiner ^{Talk | Creedy Guerrilla Raiders} 19:19, 18 September 2010 (BST)
Erm, fair enough. I don't actually know what you mean by that, but if you mean what I think you do, this will not only fail to insult us but it won't really prove our opinions to be wrong or uninformed.... -- LEMON #1 02:22, 19 September 2010 (BST)
It was coined "Bashing Back" because up till that point, there had been no serious survivor defence put up in the way of the bash. It basically failed for showing a pro-Survivor POV, as it was mostly written by the defenders of the siege. There's no disputing it was a large scale battle made unique by a game altering change made during the event, which then shifted the status-quo which had been established to the zombie side. Regarding this event, again, it's just another raid in to Ridleybank, and not even a lengthy or otherwise interesting one at that. The last "interesting" raid into Ridleybank was RedRum's teaparty. --Blanemcc 18:37, 19 September 2010 (BST)
Mate, I know why it was called Bashing Back. If you re read the talk page you'll notice certain hostility from the Zed attendees in not just the POV but also the POV name. And mark my words, if I manage to get that page looking NPOV in an attempt to have it resubmitted, it will also be getting moved to something decent. -- LEMON #1 08:42, 20 September 2010 (BST)

By gum, that was a larf, wasn't it? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 15:52, 21 September 2010 (BST)
what vote1 said, wind tunnelz... -- ▧ ^{: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :} 02:43, 20 September 2010 (BST)
I quote, "It wasn't historic at all. In fact, it didn't even happen to those who have no idea about it." (And yes, I was part of it.) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 15:47, 21 September 2010 (BST)

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After two weeks, Blackmore 4(04) has passed with 70.7% (46) of the votes in favor. ~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 05:30, 22 September 2010 (BST)

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