Suggestion:20070617 Repeating Rifle

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20070617 New weapon: Repeating Rifle

--Johnny Reb 21:39, 17 June 2007 (BST)

Suggestion type New in game Weapon

Suggestion scope Players can find Repeating Rifles and slugs for ammo

Suggestion description Repeating Rifle holds 4 bullets at one time slugs are found only in singles. Slugs can be found in Forts and mall gunstores. Repeating Rifles can be found in Gun stores, museums and forts.

Damage repeating rifles does 8 damage and with flak jacket it does 6

Why Repeating Rifles in malton I think this will be benefital to Pkers and to Pro survivors fighting the zombie population. Think about it repeating rifles are not way to overpowered like an AK 47 and M16's are since repeating rifles do not hold 30 rounds and there is no clip loading. They are a fair weapon holding a maximum of 4 bullets and bullets are found one at time.

Rifle Training and advanced Rifle Training 75 XP for military 100XP for civilians 150 XP for scientists

Basic Firearms Training Player gets +25% to hit with all firearms attacks ( Rifle hit rate 30% )

Rifle Training An extra +25% to hit with a rifle ( Rifle Hit Rate 55% )

Advanced Rifle Training An extra +10% to hit ( rifle hit rate 65% )

Rifle and ammo Search Ratio's and Encumbrance rate

Encumbrance rate: 6%

Mall Gun Stores (3%/6%) ( Rifle )

Armories (2%), ( Rifle )

Museums (3%) ( Rifle )

Mall Gun Stores (6%/10%) ( Slug ammo )

Armories (4%) Slug Ammo )

Junkyards (1%?) ( slug Ammo )

Encumbrance rate: 2% / 0% when loaded

Voting Section

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The only valid votes are Keep, Kill, Spam or Dupe. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

Keep Votes

1. Keep - As rifles go, this is one of the better suggestions. Falls right between the shotgun and the pistol in damage pr. shot and also in damage/AP. You might want to suggest some search odds, since people will vote spam and call the suggestion incomplete. - BzAli 22:04, 17 June 2007 (BST)
2. Keep BzAli said it. This is better than some of the other rifle suggestions. Maybe play around with the accuracy a little bit, you know, give it a bit o' character. To Karek, just because it's frequently suggested doesn't mean that someone can't come up with an idea thats already in there that isn't completely worthless. If someone came up with a rifle suggestion that fit everybody's wants and needs, and was completely balanced (yes highly unlikely, but still possible) would you spam it just because it's in the Frequently suggested page? Duke also makes a good point though. We don't really need new guns. We need something to make the zombies funner to play.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:48, 18 June 2007 (BST)
3. keep my vote / yea I know its incomplete I didnt get time to 100% finish jotting my ideas down. But hey I think UD needs some new Weapons Im a player Killer and I grow tired of shotguns and pistols and beating people to death with a hockeystick's its time for malton Pkers to show who they are. --Johnny Reb 01:54, 18 June 2007 (BST)
4. Keep. while the game really doesn;t need new firearms, I'm still voting yes because as far as rifle suggestions go, this one if fair and balanced, and I like rifles beter than shotguns, which have never made sense to me. So I am voting keep. --Fenian 02:34, 18 June 2007 (BST)

   One concern I have thought of, though: Will this mean another two feats? I think what we should do is make a feat called longarm specialization and have that for the first bonus to rifles and shotguns, then shotgun specialization for the extra shotgun bonus and rifle specialzation for the extra rifle bonus.

   not voting but making a statement yea that would be good but then I'll have to go threw the same process to change Shotgun and rifle training to Long Arms training but its a good concept--Johnny Reb 02:49, 18 June 2007 (BST)

5. keepIt would do good as there needs to be a medium with Shot Guns and Pistols.Seloth 02:42, 18 June 2007 (GMT)
6. Keep. Humans who favored shotguns were really hurt by the addition of encumberance. This offers an alternative, moderately high powered, and you can store more. The single loading makes it nicely balanced AP-wise. It also takes a bigger hit from armor than the other weapons.DragonRagnarok 2:45, 18 June 2007 (GMT)
7. Keep. Can't say i'll ever use it myself, but it is a good suggestion nethertheless.--Seventythree 02:49, 18 June 2007 (BST)
8. Keep This is a good suggestion worthy of further exploration and implementation. It will not upset the balance of power between survivors and zombies, will not significantly affect the encumbrance of survivors, would be an historically accurate addition, and adds some variety to the game. --Headless gunner ^W! 03:55, 18 June 2007 (BST)
9. Keep This is a good suggestion. It sounds pretty balanced and adds some more character to the game.--Saint Murphy 04:08, 18 June 2007 (BST)
10. Keep - I've always wanted rifles ingame and this idea just might make it happen. --Sonofagun18 04:48, 18 June 2007 (BST)
11. Keep - Well, this seems to be one of the better suggestions for weaponry I've seen in a long time. With a little bit of work this could turn out quite nicely. I like the bigger damage hit that the gun takes because of the body armor as well. Slower/larger slug = less Kevlar penetration. --Jake4d1 05:12, 18 June 2007 (BST)
12. Keep - Very nice. --Cyberbob ^U! 07:38, 18 June 2007 (BST)
13. Keep - Seems good to me. Should keep those wanting new guns happy for a while and might stop a lot of the 'add this gun' suggestions and seems balanced enough. Werewolf32 14:51, 18 June 2007 (BST)
14. Keep - I like it! It's certainly better than this, and, in addition to that, is pretty well balanced... --Charley C. 15:43, 18 June 2007 (BST)
15. Keep - Though I am usually very cautious around suggestions involving machine rifles like this, this is the most balanced, not over-powered one I've seen so far. I think, however, that they should not be found in museums, despite the many military exhibits found in historical museums. There are, after all, a lot of musuems in the city, and this sort of weapon ought to be kept in some moderation. If this is found in Mall stores, and people with pistol training find it, then a simple adjustment of their settings can make them disregard it as useless. In addition, this breaks the typical base 5(or ten, I suppose) damage rate of fire arms, which has been a bit of a thorn in my side during sieges. -- EtimS 17:43, 18 June 2007 (BST)
16. Keep - Keep this suggestion if cripple passes but otherwise, might kill. It's a good idea nevertheless. --Pvt De 18:36, 18 June 2007 (BST)
17. Keep/Change I'd say that for the damage it does, the AP it costs, and general accuracy of rifles, the accuracy maximum should be 75% (with a base, untrained accuracy of 15%) with no further changes to your suggestion. I like how you can find a repeating rifle in museums. Great idea, and the best rifle so far! Yeeeehaaahhhhh!!! --Secruss 20:16, 18 June 2007 (BST)
18. Keep - This suggestion sounds good. --Fireman22 3:35 June 18 2007
19. Keep - All for this, sounds great. --Tolthalan 21:53, 18 June 2007 (BST)
20. keep - the only rifle idea that i like so far. --user:androo the 2/sig 9:48 june 19 2007
21. Keep - Very good idea, finally bridges the gap between Pistols and Shotguns. It's not too powerful, so everyone should be happy. We need a new firearm! --Ursarkar 9:33, June 20 2007
22. Keep - I've always wanted a Winchester. But as Secruss said, it should be more accurate. Midianian 11:02, 20 June 2007 (BST)
23. Keep - This helps PKers just as much as shotguns and pistols do. Using that logic, why not remove FAKs and Needles too? It helps those nasty criminals! --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 14:21, 20 June 2007 (BST)
24. Keep - Reasonable suggestion. Higher hit ratio would make It more 'real', as rifles are usually more accurate than pistols. But, hey! It's UD. --Graudluin 14:43, 21 June 2007 (BST)
25. Keep - Best rifle suggestion I've seen, it seems to be more balanced between the pistol and shotgun that most rifle suggestions. Good job. If it's ever implemented, I'd be proud to have one in my inventory. --Rodwy 09:13, 23 June 2007 (BST)----
26. Keep - I always thought that theres something needed inbetween a shotgun and pistol, ad this actually looks good. --Coco1993 02:11, 27 June 2007 (BST)

    Keep - Sounds good to me, provides a nice balance between the shotgun and pistol for those that want one. --MILLANDSON 09:03, 4 July 2007 (BST)

    Vote struck. Voting is for 2 weeks -- boxy ^{T Nuts2U DA} 15:18, 4 July 2007 (BST)

    Keep - I like it with one caveat that with the rifle you can see the zed outside your building and can shoot at them. Its completely unrealistic that you can not fire at zombies outside your building, as if a buildings second floor is boarded up because you barricaded downstairs. just a thought, either way i like the "repeating" rifle. --Darth Eins of Malton / Darth Einstein of Monroeville

    Unsigned and late vote struck -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 23:24 20 December 2008 (BST)

Kill Votes

1. Kill - game doesn't really need new firearms --Duke Garland_T^{LCD SSZ} 22:12, 17 June 2007 (BST)
2. Kill - Keepers pushed you to add search rates--unfortunately, your search rates are horribly low. That's not the point here, though. My main objections include: 1) New gun suggestions are extremely common and this one does little to shine above the rest except being "balanced". 2) If a mid-level survivor has pistol training but not shotgun training or vice versa, when searching a police department or mall's gun store, he will find an annoyingly large number of the other type of weapon which will hinder him finding the kind he wants and also require him to waste time and IP hits dropping them. Adding a third type of weapon exacerbates this problem. 3) The only thing this has over shotguns is encumbrance. If a mid-range gun between pistol and shotgun were necessary, it would need to be more AP-efficient than the shotgun; i.e., rifle slugs could be found in pairs or small boxes containing multiple slugs. Underpowered =/= balanced. 5) You're a PKer and a redneck =P --Magentaine 08:03, 18 June 2007 (BST)
3. Kill/Incomplete - Where does the "repeating" part come in? Is it just to make it sound better? Aside from that, encouraging PKers is a bad idea. If a weapon is specifically designed to help PKers (and states that), it's a bad idea. Or at least needs some work. --Saluton 16:39, 18 June 2007 (BST)

   Re But to say this only helps Pkers is stupid, True im a Pker ( DUH )Pkers use guns so do bounty hunters and Pro survivors, It seems your judging me for what I am in the game and if its gonna help Pkers its gonna help bounty Hunters who kill the Pkers so it works both ways --Johnny Reb 16:52, 18 June 2007 (BST)

   Re - Would it make you feel better if I change my reason for voting kill to the fact that reading your writing hurts my brain? --Saluton 02:54, 19 June 2007 (BST)

4. Kill - We don't need any more weapons in Malton, especially a balanced one. As you've balanced it between pistols and shotguns, the only point is to say "Now I have a rifle". And where would these weapons and all the ammo suddenly appear from? And as Magentaine pointed out, have a 3rd weapon and ammo type actually makes it harder for lower level survivors, as they'll be picking up ammo and weapons they aren't trained on. armareum 01:20, 22 June 2007 (BST)

   Re ever heard of Settings in UD? Guess not because you can choose what to automatic throw away. All you gotta do is take your mouse and hit the little box that says rifle and Slug and no more rifles and slugs. Yes its that easy--Johnny Reb 00:26, 24 June 2007 (BST)

   Don't assume that I'm stupid (or that anyone else is, for that matter), assume the opposite. If you can't see the point I'm trying to make I either didn't write it very well, or you just can't see it.
   In this case, the point I was trying to make was that out of the FIXED success rate for finding ammo or weapons, you'd now have to split that between 3 weapons, rather than the current 2. Which means less ammo/weapons of any one particular kind - e.g. less pistols and pistol clips for the low level character with only Pistol Training. armareum 01:21, 24 June 2007 (BST)

5. Kill - 2 weapons is enough. I keep shotguns, and shell, even though they're not as AP efficient as pistols. Having another gun will just mean more ammo that I'll keep (for emergencies, like flares), but is underpowered (less AP efficient than a shotty) -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 04:49, 27 June 2007 (BST)
6. Kill - as boxy-- Vista  +1  19:37, 28 June 2007 (BST)
7. Kill - I think pistols and shotguns are enough --Ju Ju Master 22:35, 1 July 2007 (BST)

   KILL - Losing more of my search percentiles so I have another slow-loading weapon would just be annoying beyond belief. There are already lexicon posts about the guns anyhow Padfu-Zomfu 05:27, 4 July 2007 (BST)

   Vote struck. Voting is for 2 weeks -- boxy ^{T Nuts2U DA} 15:18, 4 July 2007 (BST)

Spam/Dupe Votes

1. Spam - Oh yay, super shotguns. No, just no. Try reading the Frequently suggested section in the future.--karek 22:07, 17 June 2007 (BST)

   Spam - Keep means, "reading this is worth Kevan's time." Kill means, "this is not worth Kevan's time." Spam means, "this is not worth the Suggestions community's time." --Magentaine 22:52, 17 June 2007 (BST) Due to the large number of Keep votes, I have changed this vote to Kill. I am opposed to it, but it seems others feel it should be discussed. --Magentaine 08:03, 18 June 2007 (BST)

2. Spam - I disagree somewhat with what you believe kill means, Magentaine, clothes got implemented. Regardless, these firearms suggestions are getting tiresome. We have pistols, shotguns and flareguns (only if your cool). --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:33, 17 June 2007 (BST)
3. Spam - Same as above. Automatic weapons and/or assault rifles have been proposed dozens of times before. -- Murray Jay Suskind 04:19, 18 June 2007 (BST)

   Re Have you even considered that this is neither an assault rifle or an automatic weapon suggestion? --Rodwy 11:23, 29 June 2007 (BST)

4. Spam - Yeah, what Papa said. Even though I'd love to have them to use against you foolish survivor types. --Goolina _{Gore Corps} 04:25, 18 June 2007 (BST)
5. Spam - We have enough guns to shoot you with already.--Globule13 04:35, 18 June 2007 (BST)

   Re not a vote here Globule13 & Goolina think you should take a Look at my wiki it will be very clear what im trying to get at. Seeing how we both are of the Same Class here ( except the undead pride ) but im all for Killing and thrilling of Pking --Johnny Reb 13:43, 18 June 2007 (BST)

6. Spam An overpowering suggestion for Survivors. What else is there to say? --User:Axe27/Sig 01:02, 19 June 2007 (BST)
7. Spam Don't we have enough weapons suggestions already? We don't need another one.--Nikitis 01:25, 19 June 2007 (BST)

   Re honestly did you even read one sentence of what I wrote ??? --Johnny Reb 02:33, 19 June 2007 (BST)

   I read it all, and I don't believe it's better than many other weapons that got shot down. --Nikitis 16:24, 19 June 2007 (BST)

8. Spam - Do you have any idea of how unbelievably fucking overpowered this suggestion is? I'd love rifles too, but it would have to be balanced. Try showing some AP-based calculations to show that it is balanced. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 05:43, 19 June 2007 (BST)

   Re ( WOW honestly did you even read what I wrote because If you did you would clearly see it works just like the shotgun in urban dead you load up a slug into the chamber thats 1Ap gone you shoot a slug thats 1 AP gone thats how it works What the fuck more you want ) --Johnny Reb 13:08, 19 June 2007 (BST)

9. Spam Chill out man, it's only a game ;). But yeah, what the people above said. --dudemeister 23:19, 25 June 2007 (BST)
10. Spam Don't make it like nexuswar, where your inventory has shitloads of ammo for all sorts of crap but your only weapon is a pistol. We want new features and cool stuff, not a freaking arms race! --wooty 17:24, 1 July 2007 (BST)