Suggestion:20080105 Tell New Zombies Which Buildings Don't Have Doors

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20080105 Tell New Zombies Which Buildings Don't Have Doors

Ms.Panes 23:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion type
Starting Info/Interface

Suggestion scope
New Zombies

Suggestion description
Basically, when you're first a zombie, it should tell you which buildings don't have doors. Reading the wiki, it seems junkyards, churches, and cathedrals are the only ones. As such it should say something along the lines of, "Until you get the Memories of Life skill, you can find/wait for a door to be opened by another zombie, or you can attack junkyards, churches, and cathedrals, which don't have doors." This would be part of the starting info you get, like where it tells you to listen to feeding groans and such.

If there are ANY junkyards in Malton that still have uncut fences, it should say: "Until you get the Memories of Life skill, you can find/wait for a door to be opened by another zombie, or you can attack churches, cathedrals, and junkyards (with cut fences), which don't have doors."

Also, it should give you the same info again the first time you break a barricade to the doors ie, from loosely (if you don't have MoL yet). You can't get in anyway, so you'll have time to read it, and it's a very helpful reminder for when you're just about to get frustrated with the game.

I put the types of building in bold, because that's the most important part for a zombie to notice/remember. Also, if anyone prefers a different wording, go ahead and stick that in your vote. I like how it reads, but whatever.

Voting Section

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The only valid votes are Keep, Kill, Spam or Dupe. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

Keep Votes

1. Keep Its useful, it helps players who don't meta. You only get two more messages, so its hardly an annoyance.--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 23:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
2. Keep - a fine idea. --Pdeq^Talk* 23:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
3. Keep - a good idea. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
4. Keep - Go for it.--Seventythree^Talk 23:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
5. Keep - Because whatever the assholes who hate low level zombies say doors are a big problem.--Karek^maps?! 23:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
6. Keep - the wording could be changed but this is for the most part a great idea.--'BP^Tmz 23:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
7. Keep - Helps newbies. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 23:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
8. Author Keep --Ms.Panes 23:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
9. Keep - Well done! Something like this could make the zombie population increase a bit. --Hhal 23:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
10. Keep - As above.Studoku 23:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
11. Amen - Why didn't WE think of this as the solution to the n00b zombie difficulties?  Nalikill  ^{TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI}  00:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
12. Keep - Seems fine. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 00:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
13. Keep - fine idea to me--Zach016 00:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
14. Keep - Sounds like a good idea. --Z. slay3r •  Talk  01:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
15. Keep - Makes sense. Good idea. Sheana ^{T / TMZ} 01:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
16. Guardar - A great idea. Omega 01:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
17. Keep - doors aren't a big problem, but this is only fair--Corndoghero^T-S-Z 01:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
18. Keep As above --Darth Lumis^{T! A! E! SR} 02:13, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
19. Keep – Sure. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 03:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
20. Keep - I imagine it would only be displayed once, like the first time you die. Makes the spam silly.Bobs Aturd 05:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
21. Keep - Help future UD players! --Uncle Bill 05:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
22. Keep - Hell, it's basic information. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be distributed.--TriPolarClicky! 06:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
23. Keep - That would be very helpful info to a new zombie. Headshot Hal 06:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
24. keep - ok --~~~~ [talk] 10:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
25. Toot toot - all aboard the sensible Keep train. --Funt Solo ^QT 10:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
26. Keep - Because we should care for newbies. -- John Rubin^{T! ZG} 12:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
27. Keep - IF displayed once only. ChrisForelle 14:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
28. Keep - As so many above me. Acoustic Pie 14:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
29. Keep - Save the newbies!!! BoboTalkClown 14:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
30. Keep - Maybe word it a little clearer, in case newbies do just what I did and accidentally overlook the front part. ~Ariedartin • Talk • A KS J abt all 18:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
31. Kepp - Just a measly two messages. Why not? -- Quizzical  Quiz  Speak  20:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
32. Keep - As BoboTalkClown, "Save the newbies!!!" // Johaen 21:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
33. Keep --Druuuuu ^OcTRR 21:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
34. Keep - Sounds good. --Heretic144 23:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
35. Keep - Good. --Private Mark 23:13, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
36. Keep - I don't see a problem with it--GunFox13 00:11, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
37. Sigh - Toot, toot --Ryiis 15:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
38. keep - Something like this would have been useful when I first played a zombie. The Mad Axeman 15:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
39. Keep - Help the poor newbies! --Reaper with no name ^TJ! 18:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
40. Keep - There is nothing wrong here. --Howard Bentley 22:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
41. Keep - I don't see why not. --Ciaran Deckardson 19:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
42. I may be on a voting spree, but I just have to say this...Get out of my area. Helping newbie suggestions are my specialty! --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 20:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
43. Keep Cause idiot vote killers have crappy points. BenderWaW 10:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
44. Keep - It only gets displayed the first time, like with the character has become a zombie text, and it's quite beneficial to newbies.--Kolechovski 18:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
45. Keep - Help the newbies! --Themanwhocares4 22:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Kill Votes

1. Weak Kill - Seems like maybe this is more fun to discover on one's own. --Pgunn 01:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

   Kill/Change - The way it's worded, it's effectively telling the newbie zombies "stay away from buildings that aren't cathedrals, junkyards and churches at all costs until you get MoL!", without telling them that zombies with MoL could open the doors with them to get to the survivors inside. Correct me if the starting info does actually state this, though. ~Ariedartin • Talk • A KS J abt all 10:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

   RE: The part where it says, "you can find/wait for a door to be opened by another zombie" is supposed to deter people from thinking you have to attack cathedrals, junkyards, and churches, and must avoid all else.

   I'm trying to give new zombies these three pieces of information without being too verbose or unclear: 1. You need Memories of Life in order to open doors. 2. If you destroy a barricade, but doors are in the way, you could wait for another zombie to open the door so that you can get in. If you don't want to wait, you can find a door that's already open. 3. Junkyards, Cathedrals, and Churches don't have doors. If you destroy the barricades there you can get in, even without MoL.

   Number 3 is really the most important part, because it's not obvious, but I figured that 1 and 2 were needed to make things clear/prevent confusion. Now, (this applies to everyone) if you have a better way to word this, please write it down! --Ms.Panes 18:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

   Heck. Sleepiness does wonders to my reading. Vote changed. ~Ariedartin • Talk • A KS J abt all 18:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

2. Kill - Then how about make it balanced and tell all the poor level 1 survivor bastards they'll most assuredly die because of overcading? How about telling medics they're a useless class too? Just tell them whatever they need to know, then send them on their merry way. Stupid zombie skills. --Vandurn 14:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

   You're welcome to suggest your own changes to the game if you think survivors are being treated unfairly. However, I don't understand your objection, as I'm not proposing any new skills. Could you clarify? --Ms.Panes 16:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

   Ha, yes. Sorry, this just jerks my chain. The way the game works is that people have to learn hard lessons. That is how is has been, that's really just how Urban Dead plays. If you're going to start telling new zombies how to play the game, you should also tell survivors the same thing too, give them warnings about the dangers that they will face regularly. Except instead of buildings that don't have doors, tell them all the buildings will have heavy, overbarricaded doors that, yes, they will die trying to break down. Maybe if there was a zombie class that started off with Memories of Life, maybe that would make sense, not that the actual zombie class would make sense, but your suggestion would. Making the game easier or harder is never good though. --Vandurn 14:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

3. Kill - More fun to figure out by yourself.- Inky 21:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Spam/Dupe Votes

1. Spam - No thank you, I don't want more messages... --/~Rakuen~\ 00:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)