Suggestion:20080412 Join the Gun Club

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20080412 Join the Gun Club

Tselita 06:31, 12 April 2008 (BST)

Suggestion type
Attack Addition/Change

Suggestion scope
Anyone

Suggestion description
Relatively short suggestion - when your shotgun or pistol runs out of ammo, it shouldn't become useless.

The scenario - you're in a heavily barracaded building, all the resource areas around you are ruined, or maybe you're in a building and all the resource buildings are overcaded, and you run out of ammo! And gosh you don't have a melee weapon either! Whatever will you do against that zombie/trenchcoater who you've already started attacking/known PKer who's in the building with you somehow? You shot at him with all your ammo, and got them down to 4 health, dangit! You could punch him with your remaining 3 AP... but that just won't be enough, oh noes! Easy, desperate times - desperate answer. Swing the shotgun like a club or a metal pipe. WHAP WHAP WHAPPETY WHAP! TAKE THAT ZAMBAH/TRENCHCOATER/PKER!

Okay in plain english, what I'm suggesting is if you choose to attack someone with a shotgun, and you have no ammo in any of your shotguns, the game will let you use it like a metal pipe instead. There is, however, a 20% chance that using your shotgun in such an unorthodox way will result in breaking it, so that it can only be used as a metal pipe (ie, a 2 damage club and to loosely barracade if you don't have construction).

When you run out of ammo in the shotgun, if you click on attack with the shotgun again, the game would ask Are you sure you want to use the shotgun as a club? (to prevent finger slippage). If you click attack with the empty shotgun again, it swings it like a metal pipe (2 damage, 10% or 25% accuracy, depending on if you have Hand to Hand or not)

The pistol can also be used in a similar manner, but that would be mostly for flavor, as the damage that using a pistol could do would only be 1 damage at 10% or 25% accuracy (depending on if you have HtH or not) - no better than the aformentioned fist - as opposed to the shotgun club being 2 damage, though there's no chance of breaking a pistol by using it like that. They're sturdier cause they're smaller.

If anyone asks 'why not use a fireaxe?' the answer is this - Maybe because some people don't -have- a fireaxe, because they are lower level, and only carry firearms.

By the way, zombies can still swing a shotgun like a metal pipe.

Voting Section

Voting Rules

Votes must be numbered, justified, signed, and timestamped. # justification ~~~~ Votes that do not conform to the above may be struck by any user.

The only valid votes are Keep, Kill, Spam or Dupe. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

Keep Votes

1. Keep - Author Keep... Join the Gun Club - get it? It's a pun! A Gun Pun! HA! --Tselita 06:33, 12 April 2008 (BST)
2. Keep - I like this alot dude, to get rid of a page like this on go here: (http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Speedy_Deletions) Make sure you save all the stuff you have in this page in word or something so you don't have to write it again.--Jamie Cantwel3 08:16, 12 April 2008 (BST)
3. Keep - Quite sensible and fair, I'd use it. Also being able to pistol-whip a Zed to death would be somewhat epic. Charlie Jackpot 09:52, 12 April 2008 (BST)
4. Keep - Pun! --BoboTalkClown 18:06, 12 April 2008 (BST)
5. Keep - A realistic addition, I like it --Feon Kensai 18:49, 12 April 2008 (BST)
6. Keep - Usually in such a situation you want to flee for greener pastures. Still, the idea is nice as long as it's better balanced. Voting keep.--Zardoz 19:11, 12 April 2008 (BST)
7. Keep - You hit A Trenchie N00b with your shotgun for 2 damage. They die. --Hhal 19:45, 12 April 2008 (BST)
8. Keep - I've wondered why characters were incapable of swinging what is effectively a heavy stick at zombies.--Scott Timewell 02:07, 13 April 2008 (BST)
9. Keep - Pistol whip! --Heretic144 17:57, 13 April 2008 (BST)
10. Keep - good idea; and about the barricading thing: why can't someone take the barrel off of a shotgun to barricade with? (directed at kill voters)--Corndoghero^T-S-Z 01:03, 14 April 2008 (BST)
11. Keep yup--Airborne88^T|Z.Quiz|PSS 01:54, 14 April 2008 (BST)
12. Keep - Cool flavour, but some of the mechanics would be pretty annoying. --Toejam 10:40, 15 April 2008 (BST)
13. Keep - Out of ammo! Zombie still coming! Only one chance! - "Eat mahogany shotgun stock, dead-face!" --Funt Solo ^QT 15:52, 16 April 2008 (BST)

    • I feel genuinely tickled pink that Funt wrote that :) --Tselita 16:00, 16 April 2008 (BST)

14. Keep - Me like! --Johaen 19:55, 17 April 2008 (BST)
15. Weak Keep - It's a good idea but it only benefits people that don't have the basic weapons already, which aren't too hard to find. Rudiger Jones 11:27, 19 April 2008 (BST)
16. Keep - Personally, I'll never use this, but I love the flavor of whapping(even though that's not a word) someone in the face with a shotgun. Imagine the trenchies: OMG I CAN USE EMPTY SHOTGUNZ NOW !!!!111one@@@!!!1 You pistol-whip Trench-coatman121 to death, finishing them off by slapping them in the face with their own shotgun--Keldoclock Encon 19:31, 21 April 2008 (BST)

    • Whapping most assuredly IS a word :) Rest assured that your ability to use this suggestion will not place you on an english teacher's hate list. Whapping (from the Oxford Dictionary) - Whap\, Whop \Whop\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Whapped; p. pr. & vb. n. Whapping.] To beat or strike --Tselita 19:42, 21 April 2008 (BST)

17. Keep - Narratively, this is quite fitting, and not overpowered. --Tormazin 19:15, 24 April 2008 (BST)

Kill Votes

1. 20% isn't high enough. I had suggest 35-40% in discussion. This is meant to be some kind of "last ditch" thing of flavor more than anything else. AFter all, why WOULDN'T you use a melee weapon? The hockey stick, for example, has the same hit chance and does MORE damage. In fact 80% of the melee weapons have the same hit chance for equivalent damage without the break worry(except the pool cue another "flavor" weapon). Also, I don't claim to know a lot about firearms, but I think a pistol would be more easily damaged with using it as a striking weapon because it is more compact and intricate then the butt of a shotgun. Inventory management is intricate game balance and the mechanics of UD are overly simplistic. If your character isn't going to carry a melee weapon as backup, then tough shit. Guess you better re think that.--Pesatyel 06:49, 12 April 2008 (BST)
2. Kill - Too easy to do by mistake in one implementation, and an unneeded complication in the other. --Pgunn 07:52, 12 April 2008 (BST)

   • If you mean finger slippage causing you to accidentally destroy your shotgun, there's an 'are you sure' check that happens before you swing. --Tselita 07:56, 12 April 2008 (BST)

3. Kill - The melee part is harmless, but the barricading part isn't really believable. --Explodey 09:53, 12 April 2008 (BST)

   If the shotgun breaks, it is essentially a metal pipe. Metal pipes can be loose barracaders. --Tselita 16:47, 12 April 2008 (BST)

   See talk page --Explodey 23:50, 14 April 2008 (BST)

4. Kill - I tend to click my "attack again" button at least once after I have ran out of ammo. I don't want to break a gun accidentally whenever I do that.  Billy Club Thorton  T!  RR  15:32, 12 April 2008 (BST)

   • Please read the suggestion. If you mean finger slippage causing you to accidentally destroy your shotgun, there's an 'are you sure' check that happens before you swing. There's no way to -accidentally- click to use the shotgun as a club. --Tselita 07:56, 12 April 2008 (BST)

   • I still do not like this suggestion. I believe that it is unnecessary.  Billy Club Thorton  T!  RR  05:45, 18 April 2008 (BST)

5. As Pesatyel. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 17:34, 12 April 2008 (BST)
6. Kill - I think an 'are you sure?' click for a simple melee attack is a little obnoxious. - Grant (talk) 18:28, 12 April 2008 (BST)
7. Kill - As a few of the above. -- The Lethal Trio ^{[Tlk|NTCS|RRF] U! E!} 20:42, 12 April 2008 (BST)
8. Kill - Complicated, unneeded. How many weapons break in the game right now? --Riseabove 22:18, 12 April 2008 (BST)

   • Right now? Just one - the pool cue. It has a 20% chance of breaking as well. Though when -it- breaks, it removes itself from the inventory. --Tselita 00:58, 13 April 2008 (BST)

9. Kill - As RiseAbove. Although I like the suggestion, the idea of introducing any form of item degeneration into the game sends shivers up my spine. I like the pun, though. --Vandurn 00:08, 13 April 2008 (BST)
   • Well at least you like the pun. I won't be in purgatory alone for writing that 'gun pun' --Tselita 00:58, 13 April 2008 (BST)
10. Kill - As first kill. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:12, 13 April 2008 (BST)
11. Kill - If you choose not to carry a melee weapon, deal with the consequences of that. There's no need for this. --Jasonjason 08:04, 13 April 2008 (BST)
12. Kill - A game that's been around for three years with no "are you sure?" button better not start adding them now. --Slavoj 04:02, 14 April 2008 (BST)

    • Um.... the game HAS had an 'are you sure' box for years now. When you want to jump out of a window, it asks 'Are you sure'. When you click on Brain Rot as a purchase, it asks 'Are you sure'. Please know the history of the game before you say stuff like that? Got annoyed that more than one person didn't realize that 'are you sure' is something already in the game multiple times - sorry for being snippy Slavoj - Tselita Try to jump out a window and see if it lets you on the first try. --Tselita 14:23, 14 April 2008 (BST)

13. Kill- We don't need even more useless weapons in this game. -- BKM 18:29, 14 April 2008 (BST)
14. Kill - Only useful for the noobs, you should already have your axe.Gabdewulf 20:56, 17 April 2008 (BST)
15. Kill- just get an axe, fire stations are almost always VSB...--xoxo 05:27, 21 April 2008 (BST)

Spam/Dupe Votes

1. Dupe of this and that. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 15:33, 12 April 2008 (BST) Vote changed because there are a few minor differences... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 17:34, 12 April 2008 (BST)

   Different mechanics than Butt stroke, different results --Tselita 16:47, 12 April 2008 (BST)

   But all in all, the same idea. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 17:00, 12 April 2008 (BST)

   Yes but having it be the same -basic- idea, with totally different mechanics and a different result and different damages means it's not a dupe. --Tselita 17:10, 12 April 2008 (BST) One RE per vote. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 17:12, 12 April 2008 (BST)

   To Discussion - sorry didnt know about 1 RE per vote rule --Tselita 17:16, 12 April 2008 (BST)

2. Dupe - as per axey.--WanYao 15:38, 12 April 2008 (BST)
3. Dupe - Suggested countless times. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 01:04, 19 April 2008 (BST)

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