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Idea i think

why don't me have a template page for templates and a page with all of the historical groups with wiki page links to them just a thought --Nuts monk 05:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

What? Like these two?
  1. Category:Historical Groups
  2. Special:Allpages - Templates
Xoid MTFU! 12:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

that's why i put the "i think" in bold headline --Nuts monk 05:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Angry whining time!

angry whining time has been canceled thanks to Major Gage.

Fixed. It is on your talk page.--Gage 08:35, 23 October 2006 (BST)
thank you! :) --Kaminobob 08:52, 23 October 2006 (BST)
See? We're not all heartless monstere, only some of us :D.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 11:21, 23 October 2006 (BST)

The Community Announcements section

Can we move it down? There seems to be stuff under discussion and voting at all times, so it doesn't seem to me like we need a big box announcing that OMG there's a policy up for voting. People who care about that could scroll down, and people who don't care are not gonna read it anyway. -- Daranz . talk . mod 18:57, 5 October 2006 (BST)

5th of November! Join the real resistance!

this is just a quick question, sould it still say two groups have been nominated for admission into Historical Groups when there are no actual nominated groups? :P -Bullgod 06:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Now, i like logos as much as the next user, and applaud zathustra, (i apologize for mis-spelling that) for creating a necrotech logo. However, the logo is, well, black and white and looks a bit out of date for a modern company. (now i apologize for insulting your logo.) Anyway, my point is, i made two ideas for a higher-tech logo, and here they are: media:NT_glass.jpg and media:NT_red.jpg. thank you for your time, Kaminobob 08:48, 28 September 2006 (BST)

A proper glass logo I could see, but the second one is too blue for my tastes, too, just, ugh. –Xoid STFU! 08:52, 28 September 2006 (BST)
Number 1 isn't too bad, but could you slip "NecroTech" in there?--Labine50 MHG|MalTel 02:30, 19 October 2006 (BST)
Uh, i guess so, but since it would be applied to things that already say "necrotech" on them, why would i? --Kaminobob 09:08, 19 October 2006 (BST)
Point taken, but the current one has NecroTech on it, and that's the only real reasoning behind my suggestion.--Labine50 MHG|MalTel 06:01, 22 October 2006 (BST)
Really? they do? How did i miss that? Um, well... now i am just too lazy to alter and upload new versions. --Kaminobob 08:19, 23 October 2006 (BST)

Urban Dead Wiki Board

Does anyone mind if we place a link to the Urban Dead Wiki Board on the main page? If I don't get any response in one day I'll just put it there. - Jedaz 05:20, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Ok, I'm putting it up now. - Jedaz 05:17, 22 August 2006 (BST)


Another good link that should be added is Roleplaying--Akimbomidget 13:00, 29 June 2006 (BST)

I think that it needs to be a bit larger before we add it. - Jedaz 05:24, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Story wiki

Hey! As there is a pretty active role-playing element in this game, can someone put some documentation about role-playing in the main page? As well as that, i would greatly appreciate it if story wiki page was placed in player’s information section, or any other more relevant section. Akimbomidget 08:37, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Community Announcements

Hi, I was looking for some offical documentation about placing community announcements on the main page. - Jedaz 14:23, 24 May 2006 (BST)

Community Announcements are stored on Template:Comannounce. Place the community announcement on that Template. At the very top of Main Page, there is a line of code as follows:
<!-- {{comannounce}} -->

Remove the <!-- and --> to make the comanounce template visible on the Main Page. -- Odd Starter talkModW! 14:44, 24 May 2006 (BST)

Thanks for the information. But I was also wondering what would be considered to be allowable as a community announcement. I'm maily wondering if announcements about policies in relation to the suggestions system would be allowable. - Jedaz 05:36, 25 May 2006 (BST)
I think they should go to the top of suggestions page. But there really isn't any rules concerning community announcements. I created the first announcement ad hoc like, informing about a certain policy vote. Odd Starter created the template a bit later, making it more official and standardised. --Brizth mod T W! 10:41, 25 May 2006 (BST)
Yeah, fair enough then. Well I would put it onto the suggestions page but I have the fealing that it would be taken down because there hasn't realy been any kind of notice like what I'm thinking on the page before (as far as I know), and then in that case I don't think I could argue anything much that would keep on there. Well I'll put it there first and if it gets taken down then I'll post it on the main page because at least there is some history with allowing community announcements. - Jedaz 13:07, 25 May 2006 (BST)
As a note, for community announcements that should be restricted to single pages, Template:Pageannounce should now be used. -- Odd Starter talkModW! 13:25, 25 May 2006 (BST)
Ah, that will be handy, thanks for the effort of making it. - Jedaz 05:58, 28 May 2006 (BST)

Map program

I recently wrote a map program for urban dead that lets you scroll around and zoom into various suburbs. It probably would be impolite to add a link to the program myself. However, if someone wants to check it out they could add an appropriate link somewhere if they deem it useful. Urban Dead Map Program TimMisiak 02:56, 17 Feb 2006 (GMT)

This is a little delayed in response, and no offense, but thats just a so so program, it only has the names of the buildings and color coding for certain ones only, the map I use is here and I've found it quite wonderful --CaptainM P 20:58, 4 April 2006 (BST)

I like your program Tim, however, one request I would like to make , which I believe you said would add if it was requested, is the colour-coding of Necrotech buildings, it's not hard to decipher NT facilities ingame anyway with and without NT Employment, and they are of significant importance. If you could include colours for NTs, I believe it would be alot more useful.--Kibbs 21:52, 16 April 2006 (BST)

I also like the program, it has the advantage of cross suburb view, which are hard to get on the aypok site, i would however like to suggest two improvments
a) the option to have all buildings colored
b) the colors (at least of TRPs to stay even if your zoomed out)--xbehave 16:17, 18 April 2006 (BST)

I would absolutely love to give my opinion on this program. Unfortunatly, I don't have the latest Net framework build, and I got annoyed trying to get it. Sadly, I have this to say: Designing a program that relies not just on a single OS, but on special components of that OS is a bad idea. Not only can anyone not running Windows not use it, if the people running Windows don't have the .Net framework version required, they can't use it either. And, unfortunatly, in order to download the .Net framework, you HAVE to use a version of Internet Explorer, or a browser that can spoof it. Since I can't stand IE for various reasons, I'm not going to bother.

On a side note, if you make a version that doesn't require the .Net framework, I'd love to take a look at it. From the reviews, I imagine I'm missing out. --Mia K (sotss) 19:44, 18 April 2006 (BST)
Actualy the .Net framework is being translated so it is compatiable with Linux and Mac's. So it can actualy run on different OS's. I just thought I would clear that up for you. - Jedaz 08:33, 2 May 2006 (BST)
Thats nifty. Still doesn't help me, but at least it helps other people. --SirensT RR 12:25, 2 May 2006 (BST)

Nice little program, maybe a bit slow when panning around on certain zoom level (when the building appear). Some more colors would be nice. But I like the ability to see multiple suburbs at the same time.
Oh and for anyone not having .NET framework 2, there is mono-project that should work on all OS (even Windows). Disclaimer: I haven't tested it, I have no idea if it actually works.
And CaptainM, if you want, you could put the link to UDWiki:Community_Portal. --Brizth mod T W! 12:44, 2 May 2006 (BST)

I like it. One thing I would like to see: Full color-coding, so it's easier to figure out a route without stepping outside. --Squidward 23:01, 11 September 2006 (BST)

User page

I added a new page for the most underappreciated category on the wiki: User. Check it out. Now you can show off your character to thousands of people who don't give a hoot.--Wifey 00:26, 22 February 2006 (GMT)

I don't know why, but that seems like something nobody will ever use.--Guardian of Nekops 07:55, 5 April 2006 (BST)

Hey, I used it. ...But I doubt anyone will actually go to the page, look through it, and find my page. --V2Blast 21:57, 8 May 2006 (BST)
I added my user profile too as I think it is useful. Pillsy 18:06, 9 May 2006 (BST)

*NEW* Main Page

hi, its me again with a new page for one that we alreadly have. Category:Suburbs/new is sooo one week ago, Main Page/new is the new great thing! If you like it, vote for. If you dont, vote against. Voting lasts for a week, or until we get 20 voters approving the idea (and they are at least 66% of the voters). --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 07:49, 22 April 2006 (BST)

  1. Yes Author Vote. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 07:49, 22 April 2006 (BST)
  2. Yes Sweet! --Technerd 07:53, 22 April 2006 (BST)
  3. Yes --Lint 09:24, 22 April 2006 (BST)
  4. Yes I like the second one too, but I think Community Announcements should be more visible. --SirensT RR 15:01, 22 April 2006 (BST)
  5. Yes - Awesome. --Cyberbob240CDF - Arb - W! 15:14, 22 April 2006 (BST)
  6. Yes! Wonderful! --ramby T--W! - SGP 14:43, 27 April 2006 (BST)
  7. Yes - I really like it. It's not notably better than the current page, but a change wouldn't hurt. Maybe we could do fairly regular layout changes once every few months. Just for a change of pace, no?--Wifey 02:42, 7 May 2006 (BST)
  8. No I don't like the color scheme. It doesn't fit the whole "Undead End of the world theme" I perfer theOrginal --Rogue 08:08, 7 May 2006 (BST)
    • Re - Votes are not for attacking others. Constructive criticism only, please. --Cyberbob240CDF - Arb - W! 08:28, 7 May 2006 (BST)
      • Re- I was about to change it. --Rogue 08:43, 7 May 2006 (BST)
        • Re - The fact still remains that your kneejerk (and therefore, the one truest to your feelings) reaction was to attack hagnat. --Cyberbob240CDF - Arb - W! 08:45, 7 May 2006 (BST)
    • Re - Well, no one will ever please 100% of the people. But, understand me, as much as i would like to use different background colors for that, i simply cant. Since wiki only accept blue for hyperlinks, i cant change link colors in way to use darker or 'scarier' colors in order to make the wiki more zombie-friendly. And everybody loves my colors choosing, you meanie :^( --hagnat mod 05:05, 8 May 2006 (BST)
      • Re- Now that I see it on my regular computer it's not as bad. --Rogue 06:55, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  1. Yes - An improvement. All three are so busy they seem calculated to scare new players away and discourage use as a startup page, but that's not your fault. --einexile 20:16, 8 May 2006 (BST)

As a note, Siddhant came up with another possibility for a new Main Page. I think that before voting that a little bit of discussion regarding the good bits of both is worthwhile. -- Odd Starter talkModW! 07:54, 22 April 2006 (BST)

I'd say no to both. I like the text layout in the page as it stands right now. (I would suggest a nice recolour of the boxes there though. The first suggestion is okay, but I perfer the origional over it. The second one is a resounding no from me. First thing that comes to mind is the lack of readily visible announcements. Second is that the boxes along the side look tacky when they frame everything else like that. BuncyTheFrog Talk GBP 07:59, 22 April 2006 (BST) (I know, no rhymes. I didn't feel it was appropriate here)

I like hagnat's suggestion because the current Main Page appears a bit like a piecemeal Frankenstein monster. With the new suggestion, all the little modules are unified with a color scheme and style. I might want to see the game news section swapped with the backstory section (also perhaps provide background-color and border for it?), but I could easily adjust to the initial proposal. From what I saw of siddhant's proposal, the placement of the navigation bars were a creative use of space, but also a little distracting. --Lint 09:24, 22 April 2006 (BST)
I made a switch. See here. This would leave available space to leave up to 3 latest news, which is a good pro for this layout. I only think it draws too much attention for the text, that most people just ignore after reading it once. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 16:22, 22 April 2006 (BST)
I added a background and border so there wasn't as much contrast between whitespace and color. But that in turn caused the news and annoucement to further lose the eye-capturing attention that the plain white background in the original suggestion provided. Hmm. --Lint 19:26, 22 April 2006 (BST)
Exactly what i was saying. If you add too many colors in there, people will read nothing! They will just scroll down to the menu (who has lots of colors, but they all look alike) --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 19:37, 22 April 2006 (BST)
One thing to note is that community announcements are supposed to be only temporary. The policy vote one should be removed at some time next week, after two weeks have passed. Obviously there should be another announcement if a solution is reached (though that seems unlikely with current votes). I don't think the mod promotion advert should be permanent either. When designing new page, one maybe should create the design without the community announcement present. Just my random two cents. --Brizth W! M T 19:42, 22 April 2006 (BST)

Hmm. Hard to say. I think Hagnat's idea is better than the current one, but it just has some minor problems. First of all, I think that community announcements should be at the very top, on bright red, to draw attention. Now, removing that from the top of right column, as it is now, the page would look a bit one sided. Some color or framing to the text section might also help. But I like the navigation box changes at the bottom. Siddhant's idea is too distractive, with the boxes all around the screen. --Brizth W! M T 09:40, 22 April 2006 (BST)

I tried coloring the text section, but then things end up too messy and unclean. Leaving it white is a way to take attention away from there and leave only the Latest News and the Community Annoncements on the hot spots. After all, people just pass their eyes through the text thing after they read it once! There is no reason to call atention there. The community announcements could be made redier. but it would have to be a red that match some harmony with the Latest News green. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 16:22, 22 April 2006 (BST)

I like the new version except for how the boxes don't span the screen at the bottom. It looks really weird having them scrunched in the middle with empty space to the sides. Isn't there any way to fix that? --Sindai 21:51, 22 April 2006 (BST)

I'm liking New3, but I have just one issue with it - that gaping wide amount of whitespace on the right column. Something seriously needs to be done with it. Perhaps we could add a "Location of the Week" box there? Something interesting and dynamic, preferably with a picture, and it'd give some incentive to start polishing up the Locations pages. Something to actually encourage people to visit the Main Page. -- Odd Starter talkModW! 08:23, 23 April 2006 (BST)

You know, that was exactly the thing i was thinking abou when i went to the wikipedia last time. We could start doing something on this style: location of the week, or groups, or suburbs... who knows ? It would be far more better than the old introduction text we always pass our eyes on before we hit the navigation menu. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 03:20, 24 April 2006 (BST)
Yea, Location of the Week sounds nice. I don't know about groups. There might be too much drama with that. Otherwise I like the third one, maybe the community announcement could be a bit more red. --Brizth W! M T 07:06, 24 April 2006 (BST)
of the 3 id say 3 looks best, 2 is the worst as its too wide. I personally like the colors from 1 but the layout of 3, the colors on 3 are just abit too dull for my liking--xbehave 17:13, 27 April 2006 (BST)
I'm going to go with three. On one everything is cramped to the right. On two everything is spread out and you need to scroll. Everything is just right in three. Saromu 02:44, 7 May 2006 (BST)
I don't realy like the white space in layout 3 but if it can be filled with something then it would be good. Perhaps the featured suggestion for the day? If you've seen the suggestions page recently then you'll know what it is. - Jedaz 11:07, 7 May 2006 (BST)

I dont see the need for a new main page. I like the one we have just fine. --Grim s-Mod 00:10, 8 May 2006 (BST)

You will have reasons after i came with the new4 main page :D --hagnat mod 05:05, 8 May 2006 (BST)
Too late. I reckon' this minor alteration looks pretty, without going overboard like the other three did. –Xoid STFU! 18:47, 26 May 2006 (BST)

New Twist on Old News

With Amazing gone is there really a need to stil have these up? – Nubis NWO 15:43, 10 June 2006 (BST)

Nope. It's not like they'll grow without the arch tyrant evil overlord Amazing to drive them along. Of course, he could still try and call in his alts cronies friends minions to try and block the move. –Xoid STFU! 16:03, 10 June 2006 (BST)
Have what up? Cyberbob  Talk  16:10, 10 June 2006 (BST)
Look below. –Xoid STFU! 16:10, 10 June 2006 (BST)
Oh. Cyberbob  Talk  16:14, 10 June 2006 (BST)
Yeah, lets remove them I reckon. I doubt Amazings going to try and help people now that he's got a year long ban and so I doubt they will be of any benefit to anyone. - Jedaz 09:34, 13 June 2006 (BST)
Will someone other than myself test the links? They haven't been working for me for some time now. –Xoid STFU! 09:36, 13 June 2006 (BST)
The links work, and they don't seem to have any anti UD stuff on them at the moment. So how should we go about removing the links from the main navigation template? Because I'm sure that someone will probably go and say "such and such illegally removed the links and should get banned for Vandalism!!!", so yeah... - Jedaz 09:41, 13 June 2006 (BST)
Funny, they don't work for me. –Xoid STFU! 09:47, 13 June 2006 (BST)
Hmm... yeah that is odd... oh well. Well if no one objects then in one days time I will remove them. (he he, my "nice and legal" way of getting them removed) - Jedaz 10:05, 13 June 2006 (BST)
Ok, my check list, 4 people have spoken on this issue, check. No one disagrees on the solution, check. Adequate time to dispute the plan, check. Ok, it seems nice and legal to me, I'm going to remove the links now. - Jedaz 10:30, 14 June 2006 (BST)
Ok they are removed now on a democratic decision. - Jedaz 10:34, 14 June 2006 (BST)
ZOMFGWTFBBQ jedaZ iz lik teh vandle!!!111eleven111!!1one!11! –Xoid STFU! 10:39, 14 June 2006 (BST)
ZOMBIEBARBISQUEEEL I'm going to terrorise this wiki untill THOSE LINKS ARE PUT BACK!!!!1!!!111!!!--Vista 11:14, 14 June 2006 (BST)
Ha ha, yes good point. - Jedaz 13:52, 14 June 2006 (BST)

Profile Database link

I, personally, dont believe the profile dtabase link belongs on the front page. I recently examined it and it is, to put it kindly, woefully incomplete, listing only a single zombie group, and a handful of survivor groups. I question the need to have something of such dubious quality and use on the front page, but im asking for opinions before i remove it. --Grim s-Mod 08:50, 8 May 2006 (BST)

Responce: There are 143 listings in the directory and growing. Removing the link is the sure way to prevent it from growing into one of the most useful resources linked on the page. This is simply being considered out of spite. -- Amazing 03:41, 9 May 2006 (BST)


The above will help the site grow. Hooray! {{Directory}} -- Amazing 19:56, 11 May 2006 (BST)

I removed the link, because the site is down atm, when u fix your site, put it back up (unless this vote results in its removal) --xbehave 14:11, 19 May 2006 (BST)

  1. remove - never heard any mention of this database but the main page. Does anyone actuatlly use it ? --hagnat mod 19:32, 8 May 2006 (BST)
    This pages, and several others, should be moved to External Links, and in this box should only remains those sites whom the community really use. --hagnat mod 19:39, 8 May 2006 (BST)
  2. Delete - kind of . . . yeah.--Jorm 19:36, 8 May 2006 (BST)
    Keep - I changed my mind. The thing can't grow to usefulness if it isn't given soil to take root in.--Jorm 07:36, 10 May 2006 (BST)
  3. Remove - Along with the UD Avatars link, which is an advertisement for a paid service created by a player. – Nubis NWO 19:38, 8 May 2006 (BST)
    While we're at it, do we really need two maps that are exactly the same apart from who hosts them? – Nubis NWO 20:14, 8 May 2006 (BST)
    Yes, we need. Last month one of the sites went down due excess badnwidth and was unavailable until it got more. This way if one site goes down, we still have a backup. --hagnat mod 01:21, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    In that case, can we instead place one as the preferred map site, and leave the link to the other in a (mirror) arrangement? -- Odd Starter talkModW! 05:59, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    #Remove - Doesn't even have the largest zombie group. Oh yeah, kill the Avatar advertisement too. --SirensT RR 19:49, 8 May 2006 (BST)
  4. Keep - After further thought, It's not such a bad thing, really. Needs A LOT of work though. --SirensT RR 03:06, 10 May 2006 (BST)
  5. Remove - Clutter's bad. Don't do clutter. --Lucero Capell 20:29, 8 May 2006 (BST)
  6. Remove - It does seem a tad pointless. Gordon 23:38, 8 May 2006 (BST)
  7. Remove - Kill it. Kill it 'til it's dead. --Jimbo Bob ASS 23:54, 8 May 2006 (BST)
  8. remove Remove it. It's just Amazing begging for attention. Just like the avatars thing. MaulMachine 02:07, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    EDIT: In fact, if nobody minds, I'm just going to delete it. It's neither canon nor useful. MaulMachine 02:11, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    EDIT2: Here's the link if anyone can't find the template. Template:Navigation MaulMachine 02:11, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    MaulMachine, please do not delete things that are still under voting. And, seeing how you and amazing have a long time history of conflicts, stay away from anything amazing-related in order to avoid creating more or furthering already created drama. --hagnat mod 02:50, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    Fine, sorry. MaulMachine 15:57, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  9. Keep MORE ANTI-AMAZING BULLSHIT. This is idiotic, and you're all just the same old faces trying to pull the same crap. HOW DO YOU EXPECT IT TO BE A LARGE RESOURCE WHEN YOU REMOVE THE LINK? And yeah, there are a LOT of listings. Check again... but then again you knew that, and want to remove it anyway. This is fucking peonic behavior from the same trolls. -- Amazing 02:45, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    • At the time i put this up i was genuinely unaware it was yours. I looked through it, found it to be still woefully lacking in content after several months, and then came here to ask other peoples opinions about it. Now that im aware its yours, i see you are pimping your own group in the survivors section of it (a, b, c, Crossman Defense Force, d, e, ...) whoops. --Grim s-Mod 05:28, 9 May 2006 (BST)
      • Listen. I created the site. Of course I'd pop on my profiles and my group. There are other groups listed, and there will be more if you don't force the link off the page. It's a useful resource. "Hey, who was that Bill guy that shot me again? Let me search the database for "Bill" - Ah here it is, BillUglyFace." -- Amazing 06:17, 9 May 2006 (BST)
        • Yes, but you put it in the survivors category, and the human groups category. It was appropriate in the latter, and no one could complain, but in the survivors category? When no other human group got the nod? If thats not abusing power to promote your group, nothing is. --Grim s-Mod 10:06, 9 May 2006 (BST) Edit - Ha... you removed it after i called you on it. --Grim s-Mod 10:12, 9 May 2006 (BST)
          • Hey. Punk. I created the database with the intent of having groups IN the player type sections. Later on I decided that would clutter the listing, and created Group areas. Never thought to go back and move the CDF link. All you did was bring an error to my attention, which I fixed. You're so smug, hateful, and self-assured that you actually think you "Caught Amazing!!!1x" on something that was so obvously a mistake. Needless to say if you're creating the first listings, of course your group will be the first one listed before the system changes over time. -- Amazing 03:03, 10 May 2006 (BST)
          • Furthermore: You confused me as to what the listing was. I assumed I had left the CDF listing in there where it didn't belong, but the CDF listing was a Category under which profiles are listed. It was not a link to the CDF page. See the bottom of the directory? It says anyone can request a sub-category like that. That way member profiles can go INSIDE the group's own category. It belonged there to begin with, but I was pretty much forced to move it lest people get the wrong idea and believe your baloney. -- Amazing 03:11, 10 May 2006 (BST)
  10. Remove - It's been around for months and is still empty, no reason to think that it's going to suddenly take off. No reason why it should have a front-page link when more important forum and Firefox resources are a few clicks deep, probably a bad idea to appear to officially approve of a random PKer list. And if we're going to have an avatar link (which I don't think we really need) we should link to one of the internet's many free design-your-own-avatar sites, perhaps one that specifically has zombie stylings, instead of one that offers just five fixed images. Maybe the maps should link to a separate page that links to each of the two sites with an explanation that one might be offline. --Punchkin 03:25, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    It's not empty, and users without firefox or those who do not visit those forums should not be excluded. As for the Avatars, these are specific to UD. People seem to not like that I offer custom ones. I've offered to remove that part, but no one has taken me up on it, proving this is only about removing "links to Amazing's pages". -- Amazing 03:31, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  11. I'd note that I'd be perfectly happy for all external links to be thrown off the front page and onto a specific page. Even if they are commonly used, I'm not entirely sure that the front page of a wiki is the place to throw links off the wiki. -- Odd Starter talkModW! 03:40, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    This I agree with. Moreso than selectively removing links for whatever excuse because of the user that owns the site linked. -- Amazing 03:42, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    The map of malton site is used by everyone, its even referenced in the suburb template. That is something that clearly should remain there. All others should be moved to External Links. Think its the third time i say this :P --hagnat mod 03:46, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  12. Keep It honestly is a good idea, just more people need to enter their information. Definetly has tons of potential. --1 4 of CDF 05:54, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  13. Remove - Not really useful, at all. Move it to external links when it gets made, but mostly just get it off the front page. -Banana¯\(o_º)/¯Bear 06:05, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  14. Remove - Put me off checking other resources when i 1st joined tbh, surely the Wiki is a much better resource to contain profiles anyway. I also think UD avatars should be removed, the 2 maps should be combined into a single line, and a link to a full resource page should be added to the bottom of the list. That said this is the most useless link and should be removed 1st--xbehave 17:29, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  15. Keep - It is a good idea and if people used it and added their groups and profiles to it then it would be really useful. I've added the group i'm a member off. Pillsy 18:04, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  16. Keep - Either all the external links on the front page go or they all stay. We shouldn't selectively pick links depending on our opinion of them. Another attempt at attacking Amazing.--The General W! Mod 22:00, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    • The General. As i have already stated. I had no idea it was Amazings at the time i put it up. And if you look below, you will see that removing the trivial stuff, at least, is popular with everyone. This isnt directed at anyone in particular. I simply looked at it, found it lacking in content or usefulness, and then made a comment here suggesting its removal, rather than simply removing it myself, because i wanted others opinions before i made such an action. --Grim s-Mod 22:49, 9 May 2006 (BST)
      • Since it has 143 listings (and growing) - No, you did not look at it and see it was lacking in content or usefulness. Furthermore - Guess what? You've been to my user page lots, I'm sure - AND I know you've been to the petition to BAN ME since you SIGNED IT. Both pages very prominently list the site as mine. Wonder what you'll come up with in reply to this.. should be interesting. -- Amazing 03:04, 10 May 2006 (BST)
        • No amazing. I dont visit your userpage. I try to avoid all the "OMGZ! PERSECUTION COMPLEX DRAMANATORZEZ!!!", only stepping in where you are taking shots at people i consider to be my friends, or myself. Last time i went there i was put off because you had the nerve to compare yourself to a fictional superhero of a major religion. --Grim s-Mod 10:27, 10 May 2006 (BST)
          • "I don't visit your userpage" - "Last time I went there". That made my night. Thank you. No more need be said. -- Amazing 06:17, 11 May 2006 (BST)
            • I expected better from you. "I dont visit your userpage" (Statement of current situation). "Last time i went there..." (Statement of History). Basically it means: "I dont go to your userpage because the last time i was there i saw something i considered exceedingly arrogant, pretentious, and stupid. --Grim s-Mod 19:26, 11 May 2006 (BST)
              • Well, I'm just looking at the fact that the Profile DB info and link has been on the page for a tremendously longer time than the Jesus info. I guess you could've looked at that part and didn't read whatever else you clicked through to see. *shrug* It just seemed like a fishy statement. No biggie, but it did make me smile. :) -- Amazing 20:15, 11 May 2006 (BST)
        • That's 143 out of 45000+, Amazing. Sorry, but that is very much lacking in both content and usefulness. --Jimbo Bob ASS 05:51, 10 May 2006 (BST)
          • Actually, its 143 out of 500,000+ There have been a lot of players coming and going. --Grim s-Mod 10:27, 10 May 2006 (BST)
          • Thanks for agreeing it needs to stay so it can grow. -- Amazing 06:20, 10 May 2006 (BST)
            • It's stuck around for some time now, and it has not grown significantly. There's really no reason to think it'll somehow automagically start doing so now. It's a waste of space on the Main Page, and should be removed. --Jimbo Bob ASS 06:55, 10 May 2006 (BST)
            • It's grown bit by bit. It needs a good campeign to get it noticed more, but does not need to be removed in the least. ;) -- Amazing 06:59, 10 May 2006 (BST)
              • At it's current "bit by bit" growth rate, it'd be something like a year before it even reached 1000 profiles - which would then put it at the staggering proportion of roughly 2% of the active users. You wanna pimp it some more, feel free, but it shouldn't be linked on the main page unless it's either actually useful, or currently experiencing growth at a level that will make it so shortly. Neither of those conditions apply now. --Jimbo Bob ASS 07:09, 10 May 2006 (BST)
                • I don't know if those guidelines were in place when I added the link. Feel free to provide the page where I can find them. We can argue all day about its usefulness (since the page gets rather a lot of traffic) but beyond the back and forth about that part, show me where you've seen "Links must be huge and so useful I go buh". -- Amazing 07:14, 10 May 2006 (BST)
                  • *rolls eyes* Nice to see what a great job you're doing on proving that you can be polite so long as other people are civil to you. And as you know perfectly well, I was expressing my personal opinion, as was clearly denoted by the use of "shouldn't" as opposed to "isn't allowed to" or some such. --Jimbo Bob ASS 07:19, 10 May 2006 (BST)
                    • I seem to be blissfully unaware of many things, now that includes the fact that sarcasm is so totally uncivil that it's not warrented in response to someone stating "shouldn't" which might as well be "isn't allowed to" since the meaning, without clarification, is for all intents and purposes exactly the same. -- Amazing 07:23, 10 May 2006 (BST)
                      • Well, since you claim to be ignorant and I'm aiming for civility on this page, I'll take that at face value. For your future reference: Yes, personal mockery is an inappropriate response to somebody's inoffensively worded statement of individual opinion. And I must regretfully inform you that your linguistic analysis is mistaken. "Should" is a normative term - it speaks to what ought to be. "Isn't allowed to", on the other hand, is a statement of objective fact - only in that case, and not in the one that actually existed, would the response you gave have been appropriate. Okay? --Jimbo Bob ASS 07:30, 10 May 2006 (BST)
  17. Keep - Might be usefull is more data was added. --Technerd 00:51, 10 May 2006 (BST)
  18. Remove - Is it anywhere near as helpful or informative as, say, the map of UD or Elderdan's statistics analysis? Nope. --Sindai 08:00, 11 May 2006 (BST)
    No guidelines about the fact that it needs to be exactly as useful as the Map. -- Amazing 19:58, 11 May 2006 (BST)
    I didn't say there were. --Sindai 20:58, 11 May 2006 (BST)
  19. Keep - It has the potential to become a very useful tool, however in its current state it is not, and all the time it has been on the frontpage hasn't helped it. The template and other drives may help. but if it does get removed, it being on the frontpage is not required for growth and usefullness. The SGP wasn't on the frontpage either and look were that has grown into.--Vista W! 20:04, 11 May 2006 (BST)
  • Tally - 10 Remove, 8 Keep. 00:56, 25 May 2006 (BST)
voting failed, didnt have at least 20 votes. --hagnat mod 01:44, 25 May 2006 (BST)
Completely disagree. It's obvious (if less so than on the next vote) what the community's concensus is on this matter. Voting Passed. --Lucero Talk U! 01:59, 25 May 2006 (BST)
Hang on. Are you a Moderator? Do you make the rules? No? Then don't try to. --A Bothan SpyCDF - WTF - U! 02:45, 25 May 2006 (BST)
Cyberbob, it makes no difference, my decree has no more weight than hagnat's on this matter (which was kind of the point, sorry if I didn't make that clear). --Lucero Talk U! 05:13, 25 May 2006 (BST)
Even so the motion failed because it didn't get enough votes. Also it didn't get the nessacary 2/3rds. Rules are rules, you can't change them to make them suit you whenever you want them to. - Jedaz 13:41, 25 May 2006 (BST)
He said, (at least this is how I interpreted it) "I'm just saying it 'cause I felt like saying it. There is no special authority attached to what I said." –Xoid STFU! 14:03, 25 May 2006 (BST) Scratch that, Lucero decided to go and act like a douche. –Xoid STFU! 05:35, 26 May 2006 (BST)

The vote's invalid, anyway, as no end date was set.--The General W! Mod 20:14, 28 May 2006 (BST)

UD Avatars

Advertisement. Remove or not to remove?--Mpaturet 03:28, 9 May 2006 (BST)

Site now does not contain the advertisement and was always a free service anyway. -- Amazing 03:08, 10 May 2006 (BST)

  1. Remove--Mpaturet 03:28, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  2. Remove or replace with a link to a proper build-your-own-avatar site. --Punchkin 03:31, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  3. Remove - Five avatars? Heh. --Lucero Capell 03:32, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    Re: - It's a growing archive. -- Amazing 03:33, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  4. KEEP IT'S A FREE SERVICE NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT. Stay honest if you want to be more than just a troll. In addition I have a "Build your own Zombie Avatar" feature in the works. Judgement should be reserved until it is released. -- Amazing 03:33, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    No, judgement should be respected, and reassessed if the site changes significantly. --Punchkin 03:41, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  5. Remove - This growing archive is at the same size for months already. Anyway, like i said on the above voting, this page and several others should be moved to External Links (someone could create it) --hagnat mod 03:43, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    As the person updating that page, I can say without any doubt that your allegation that it hasn't been updated in months is false. I assume you're not saying that out of malice, but nevertheless your statement is utterly false. -- Amazing 03:45, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  6. Remove --Jimbo Bob ASS 03:50, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  7. Keep It's a nice addition and the same people who keep on attacking Amazing on everything he does are against it, they probably lack the imagination or creativity to think of anything half way as decent...--1 4 of CDF 05:55, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    One could argue that you're only for it because your in his group. Not saying that's true, just pointing it out. --SirensT RR 06:02, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  8. Remove - But only to but it in the External pages description, as below. Personally, I don't think advertising for any service that requires payment (or in this case "donation") has a place on the wiki. If it wasn't for that minor detail, I'd think this was excellent.
  9. Remove - I don't think we need people hawking their goods on the main page, but if they do I will be right there with you Amazing, selling pictures for ten dollars a piece! Also, where do these avatars fit into Urbandead the game?-Banana¯\(o_º)/¯Bear 05:59, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    I have repeadtedly said I will remove the "payment for customs" part if asked. No one has asked. Therefore we can see it's simply up for removal because it's my page. -- Amazing 06:19, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    Without arguing that point more, where are these useful? I mean, profile pictures never were implemented were they? -Banana¯\(o_º)/¯Bear 05:38, 22 May 2006 (BST)
  10. Remove - It's up for removal because it's useless. If someother user had put it up, it would still be useless. Charging people for something they could just as easily make themselves and advertising your own services in the wrong place are stupid, regardless of who does it. Look at me, I make forum sigs and fanfics for people, do I pimp my site on there? No. Kill it and keep it dead. The last thing we need is more of you. MaulMachine 15:55, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    It's up for removal because, as you admit in the end, I created it. -- Amazing 02:15, 10 May 2006 (BST)
    And the reason people like to get rid of your stuff is that both you and your creations are useless trash and we would have been better off if you had never polluted this game with your poor sportsmanship and mindlessness. Get your garbage off the front page. MaulMachine 21:01, 13 May 2006 (BST)
    Thanks for backing up exactly what I said. I wonder if you realize how embarassingly idiotic you really are. -- Amazing 23:02, 13 May 2006 (BST)
    Wrong? Please. I'm absolutely right. The mere fact that you added this without consulting anyone means you KNEW it would be removed for its utter uselessness. Get it of our plane, we got enough snakes as it is. MaulMachine U! 22:10, 14 May 2006 (BST)
    Hahaha. Peon. I said you're idiotic, I didn't say "Wrong". But you are, anyway. Lawdy, you can't help but embarass yourself. Point out where all of the links on the front page were put up for debate before being placed on. That's what I thought, bitch. -- Amazing 03:29, 20 May 2006 (BST)
    What the FUCK are you on? I said YOU didn't consult anyone else before PUTTING IT UP. Are you illiterate or something? MaulMachine U! 20:50, 21 May 2006 (BST)
    Piss off you little dickheaded troll bitch. Point out where other links were put up for a vote before being added before you say word one about me having to get the approval of others before listing free UD resources. I think it's clear which one of us is incapable of reading. -- Amazing 01:45, 22 May 2006 (BST)
    People who express themselves like you do should be stomped out so you can't breed. If this were a forum you would have been glined weeks ago. MaulMachine U! 03:36, 25 May 2006 (BST)
    Responded to you exactly as you speak to me unprovoked. Take a look in the mirror if you own one. This isn't a forum, and you've been banned... what, two or three times? Always in relation to me, too. I was banned once for editing the suggestion page - But you've been banned at least twice simply for going too far in attacking me. That speaks for itself, and you've just recieved an upper-cut and are hurtling into the pit. Say "Hi" to Reptile. -- Amazing 04:33, 25 May 2006 (BST)
    If I lost an argument every time you said I did I wouldn't be around much. If you want to make me disappear, ban me. Oh that's can't. Now stop posting, the vote is over. MaulMachine U! 05:10, 25 May 2006 (BST)
    This is just sad. I'll say a prayer for you. -- Amazing 18:17, 25 May 2006 (BST)
  11. Remove - Dont like that its an advertisment, also dont like that its completly useles--xbehave 17:36, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  12. Keep Remove - Dont need commercialisim on the wiki. Vote changed due to commrecialism being removed --Technerd 00:52, 10 May 2006 (BST)
    It's not commercialism. It's a free service. I'm more than willing to remove the Custom Avatar section, at which time this vote will no longer be valid and should be restarted. -- Amazing 02:15, 10 May 2006 (BST)
    From my POV, it seems like the whole thing is one service. Perhaps if you moved the non-free section to another page, and placed a link that made it clear that they wern't free, it wouldn't be such a problem. I, personnally, wouldn't be bothered anymore. It would be a plus if you provided a wider variety of the Free avatars. --SirensT RR 02:20, 10 May 2006 (BST)
    I agree whole-heartedly. I'm definitely moving the Commission part off there. The way I look at it, if someone added "Click here to buy a printout of the Map of Malton!" on one of the map sites - no one would say anything. (except Kevan, perhaps, if he deemed it infringement) Well, when I get the "Make your own Zombie" part set up, upload the newest avatar, and move the comission part away, this will all be moot. It'll still be removed though, which is sad. Plus, yeah, there aren't that many - YET. There are a few, though, and more uploaded from time to time. It's not exactly my main focus. -- Amazing 02:30, 10 May 2006 (BST)
  13. Keep - No longer requests money. However, it should still be moved if decided below. --SirensT RR 03:16, 10 May 2006 (BST)
  14. Remove - I'd vote keep if they were any good --Grigoriy 04:18, 22 May 2006 (BST)
    Re: Interested to see your pixel art. Link? -- Amazing 04:25, 22 May 2006 (BST)
  • Tally - 10 Remove, 4 Keep. 00:54, 25 May 2006 (BST)
voting failed, didnt have at least 20 votes. --hagnat mod 01:44, 25 May 2006 (BST)
Completely disagree. It's very obvious what the community's concensus is on this matter. Voting Passed. --Lucero Talk U! 01:59, 25 May 2006 (BST)
Wait. Did you become a Moderator while I wasn't looking? No? Stop acting like one. --A Bothan SpyCDF - WTF - U! 02:46, 25 May 2006 (BST)
Cyberbob, it makes no difference, my decree has no more weight than hagnat's on this matter (which was kind of the point, sorry if I didn't make that clear). --Lucero Talk U! 05:13, 25 May 2006 (BST)
After looking about, I couldn't find anywhere that 20 votes are required to keep anything from failing. If I'm in error, please point it out. Regardless, despite my own keep vote, I'd say we have to go with the majority here. --SirensT RR 04:41, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Sorry, the Mod has spoken. Rules weren't laid out beforehand, so what he said goes. -- Amazing 04:48, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Mod's enforce the rules, The community creates them. This is a wiki not Pol Pot's Cambodia! Why do you hate democracy? -Banana Bear 04:56, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Then have a vote on how many votes are needed for something to pass. When that's done you can re-issue the removal votes. Otherwise, you're waiting for the outcome and THEN writing the rules to fit what you want. Me, I have the Mod's original statement on my side. You have nothing but wishing. Post a vote on how many votes are needed, and let the "will of the people" shine through. -- Amazing 04:58, 26 May 2006 (BST)
No no, see, without rules outlined ahead of time, saying it failed for having less than twenty votes is as arbitrary as saying it passed with one, Hagnat can state his opinion, but without rules ahead of time, we must simply let the will of the community, the zeitgeist of our times if you will, carry us onwards, to truth and resolution. -Banana Bear 05:03, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Nice way to look at it, but no. As I say, put forth a vote on how many votes are needed -- If you truly care about the spirit of the wiki. -- I contend you don't, and this is all just personal. Prove me wrong. Want to keep going? There's no end date I'm aware of, so I'll call folks in to vote and blow you out of the water. I tried to be fair, but if you're not going to be, I won't have to be. -- Amazing 05:05, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Wow, your not really making sense, I think that everyone who wanted to vote voted, so I don't know what you mean by call in other voters, and no, this isn't personal, we just disagree on how the wiki functions and how to divide power. It seems, however that we are at an impass, I'll step back and let the rest of the wiki weigh in on this. -Banana Bear 05:15, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Sure you don't want to ask the Wiki-goers how many votes they think should constitute a "win"? Because that's what should be done if this is all on the up-and-up... Do I need to put it up for a vote myself? -- Amazing 05:20, 26 May 2006 (BST)
You can do whatever you want, but I still don't think that making up rules retroactively will ever be a good idea. I don't think making up rules after you lose something is on the up and up. People voted, the majority didn't like avatars, its fuzzier on the database, but avatars was clearly voted off. Also, without any vote to put them up originally, there was no sort of mandate keeping them up, thus any vote to take them down shows what the community wants, whereas placing them there showed, what you wanted. -Banana Bear 17:53, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Since you can't point out the rules in place for these votes before they were initiated, you're actually creating the rules retroactively. I'm simply trying to get the Wiki's userbase in on the process, whereas you want to go with the small handful of folks who want it to remain a gray area. As for my avatars, I'm sorry but your comment about their quality as judged by the voters is seen for what it is, and you're not going to bait me on that one. Since you can't show anywhere that the other links were voted onto the list, I had every right to put mine up without a vote. Mmmm double-standard. ;) -- Amazing 21:16, 26 May 2006 (BST)~
What's your hang-up, Amazing? There is no debate. We voted this particular link off. The profile database is less clear. Make your case with that. As for hagnat, he's said he could be wrong, so that goes out the window. Vista's as much as said that as far as he knows, we have no such 20-vote rule. Let this one go and focus your efforts elsewhere. --Lucero Talk U! 21:27, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Until you enact a vote to clarify the rules of these little voting processes, I have nothing more to say to you. I'll wait and see if any of the Bashers put it up for a vote. If you guys don't, I will. -- Amazing 21:43, 26 May 2006 (BST)
That's the thing. We already had a vote. --Lucero Talk U! 21:45, 26 May 2006 (BST)
will both of you please give it a rest, and wait a day?--Vista 23:00, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Yeah, all I can do is keep repeating the stuff Lucero isn't listening to. It's pretty much useless at this point. If the Profile DB link ends up getting removed, I'll submit a 'replace link' vote and have everyone I know sign up and vote, since the people voting against it are primarily folks who would vote to remove the Malton Map itself if I had made it. So if the Mods decide it stays, or I replace it myself through a vote, it's win-win for me. -- Amazing 00:26, 27 May 2006 (BST)
You're actually endorsing and promising getting 'everyone you know' (including people who don't play UD or care about its wiki?) sign up and vote? A sock-puppet/brand-new-user competition seems a terrible way to decide anything, unless you want people's MySpace pages linked on the front page because they had 50 loyal acquaintances who could follow simple instructions (or the time to create enough throwaway accounts). You would quickly complain and seek conbitration if 51 new wiki users voted against you. --Punchkin 02:10, 28 May 2006 (BST)
"Endorsing and promising" to overturn an idiotic and vendictive action by questionable means? Yeah, I was. Luckily I don't have to decide if I actually would have done it or not. -- Amazing 03:01, 29 May 2006 (BST)

This vote is invalid, anyway, as no end date was set.--The General W! Mod 20:16, 28 May 2006 (BST)

We're blindly assuming that the official 20-vote requirement applies from policy votes, but not assuming the official two-week duration?
I thought this was just a straw poll and discussion of issues. Having to go through the red tape of a two-week policy vote for every minor edit like this seems excessive, when a few days of conversation (with the link's creator being around to defend it as much as he's able to) should be enough to make it clear whether the content deserves to be there. (Would everyone get a guaranteed two weeks' grace and PageRank if they added a link to six zombies they'd drawn? Shall I open up Paint now?) --Punchkin 05:17, 29 May 2006 (BST)
Make some avatars, set up a site, and we'll make a special "UD Avatar Sites" page with links to both. -- Amazing 05:36, 29 May 2006 (BST)
Bang. Maybe I will. That's fine, we could link to some generic avatar-building sites as well. Let's do something productive here. --Punchkin 14:10, 29 May 2006 (BST)
No end date needed to be set, General. The point of the vote is to get the feel of the community on this issue. We got the feel of the community, and the page should be edited to reflect that. --Lucero Talk U! 06:19, 29 May 2006 (BST)
It's over. The links stay (for now) - and voting guidelines need to be established for future cases. Can you move on and spare everyone? -- Amazing 06:37, 29 May 2006 (BST)
Lucero, stop it. With no set deadline all and sundry are permitted to vote on it to their hearts content, until the end of time. Stop bitching and wait one week. One… measly… week. Submit it again with clear guidelines set out. If it passes then, it passes. This farce ends now. –Xoid STFU! 07:17, 29 May 2006 (BST)

External Links

Move all External Links on the main page to External Links with a link to that page ON the main page itself. (This, yes, would include my own links.) -- Amazing 03:46, 9 May 2006 (BST)

Comment - I've just made a quick test of how I would go about cleaning up the Template, found here Template:NavigationTest. Thoughts? – Nubis NWO 17:40, 9 May 2006 (BST)
Erm... External aids seems not a good choice for the header of that box. Why not leave external links like it is now ? For the maps, we could have them in two lines, one as * Map of Malton and the other **mirror link, so people would clearly read that the second link is a mirror to the first link. --hagnat mod 02:32, 10 May 2006 (BST)
Perhaps instead we should move any external links we really want to keep under Player or Game Information, and remove the External Links block completely? -- Odd Starter talkModW! 02:40, 10 May 2006 (BST)
Hum, i dont think so. There is too many links in the External Links block that dont fit any of the other 3 blocks (like the IRC and Firefox Extensions links). And the navigation table has these 4 blocks for this so long, that i think it will be a sad day when we let one of them fade away. --hagnat mod 02:45, 10 May 2006 (BST)


  1. Yes HOO! -- Amazing 03:46, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  2. Yes - but the Map of Malton sites should remain there. --hagnat mod 03:48, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  3. Sure - Move all links that are on the nav template to the External Links page if they aren't already and then place a link to External Links in the Player Information box of the Nav Template, and either put the Maps in Game Info or Player Info. Simple. – Nubis NWO 03:49, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  4. Yes - Hell, why not? Map of Malton sites should definitely keep their current billing though. --Jimbo Bob ASS 03:52, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  5. Yes - I thought thats what we were doing with the above to begin with. But then, where would we put the Map of Malton link, assuming we kept it on the main page?--SirensT RR 04:00, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    The above seemed to be "Remove Amazing's two links only", as opposed to an actual vote to move the external links. -- Amazing 06:20, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  6. Yes - Quite. -Banana¯\(o_º)/¯Bear 06:01, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  7. No - To the wording and implimentation. Leave the maps, the statistics, the links that lead further into the wiki, and add another internal link to the rest of the stuff. Quite a bit of that stuff is quite useful for newbies, especially the forums, the stats, the maps and the firefox extensions. Important enough to warrant leaving links to those places on the main page. The more trivial things belong on a linked subpage, probably "Other links". --Grim s-Mod 07:08, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    Yeah, I like that. Consider it seconded. --Jimbo Bob ASS 07:21, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  8. Yes - Remove all external links off the front of the wiki. Have something in Player Information pointing to Useful Websites or something like that for all those webpages that are extremely useful (like the maps), so that those links don't get lost. But we really shouldn't have external links on the very front page - that's not what the front page is about. The front page should be about what the wiki has to offer. -- Odd Starter talkModW! 07:44, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  9. Um... - What Grim said. I think the Maps are important enough to warrant main page link, and stats are Kevan provided UD content. --Brizth mod T W! 09:48, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  10. No - Keep the Maps and Zombie trackers where they are. MaulMachine 15:52, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  11. No - What Grim said --xbehave 17:31, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  12. No - As Grim said, but I do think we only need one map. --Lucero Capell 17:35, 9 May 2006 (BST)
    • The second map is a mirror of the first, in case the first goes down again. --Grim s-Mod 17:38, 9 May 2006 (BST)
  13. No - What Grim said. --08:02, 11 May 2006 (BST) (the previous unsigned comment was made by Sindai)--Vista W! 08:37, 11 May 2006 (BST)
  14. No -There are some very handy links there that need to be on the frontpage for easy access.--Vista W! 20:36, 11 May 2006 (BST)
  • Tally - 7 Keep, 7 Remove. 00:56, 25 May 2006 (BST)
voting failed, didnt have at least 20 votes. --hagnat mod 01:47, 25 May 2006 (BST)
Hagnat, thats suggestion pages vote change rules... I believe this page is decided by a simple majority. --Grim s-Mod 03:43, 29 May 2006 (BST)
I don't think he knew. Lucero complained too. MaulMachine U! 04:25, 29 May 2006 (BST)
Actually this page doesn't vote at all. It uses a simple system of discussion editing changes before hand, finding a common ground and acting upon that. this voting thing is nice but has no saying power whats so ever.--Vista 19:20, 5 June 2006 (BST)

Template:Navigation Change

Personally, I find the items in the tables to be organized in a rather... messy way. When adding the Radio page, I decided to alphabetize the items, which was reverted by Grim_s under the pretense that it should be discussed here first, to which I agreed. Well, to discussion, I think the change would certainly give some needed order the the Main Page. Anyways, thoughts?

Oh and revised template found here. – Nubis NWO 19:04, 5 June 2006 (BST)

Yep. thats seems about right. Go for it.--Vista 19:24, 5 June 2006 (BST)

Im not keen on it. Its like a single person walking into a communal kitchen and rearranging it. We all know our way around, and many of the most used links are in easy to spot and access positions (Such as the map links being near the top, along with suggestions which would, under that system, be located at the bottom). --Grim s-Mod 02:41, 6 June 2006 (BST)

Consistency is something I strongly support, but in this particular case: if there is any change to be made, it should either
  1. Place the most frequently used information at the top.
  2. Place the most important informaiton at the top.
Xoid STFU! 03:52, 6 June 2006 (BST)

A fantasmic Idea

I noticed some of the External links on the main page are dead now, thought they could use an update, but figured I'd let someone else do it, I dont want mods mad at me. You know. --CaptainM P 03:38, 8 June 2006 (BST)

Which ones would you like moved off or consolidated? – Nubis NWO 14:28, 8 June 2006 (BST)
well, one of which was the Zombie Tracker. And, for shame, what Xoid mentioned below... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CaptainM (talkcontribs) at about 01:35, 9 June 2006 (BST).
Gah, I forgot to sign that... I'l just leave that cool unsigned tag --CaptainM 02:32, 9 June 2006 (BST)
*shudder* I think he is going to say "UD Avatars" and "Profile Database" — every other link worked for me. –Xoid STFU! 14:31, 8 June 2006 (BST)
Well then. Insert :dramabomb: here. I'll go get my misconbitration case ready. – Nubis NWO 14:33, 8 June 2006 (BST)
No need. I'm sure Amazing has copies of blank cases he can just paste onto the page for every possible circumstance. --A Bothan Spy Mod WTF U! 14:36, 8 June 2006 (BST)
Um.. *ahem*, uhhh, what? That made no sense to me... --CaptainM 11:08, 10 June 2006 (BST)
Consider yourself one of the lucky few. If you really want to understand that, read through the arbitration archives. And the entirety of Talk:Main Page. –Xoid STFU! 11:11, 10 June 2006 (BST)
I think I'll just not and stay ignorant on the fact. From what I've seen so far it seems its a rather sore subject, even though it appears to have happened QUITE recently. And, as it has been quoted and re-quoted to the point of being a cliche, Ignorance is bliss. --CaptainM 07:46, 12 June 2006 (BST)

Balancing Ideas

I have a great idea that most humans playing will agree with. I think the zombies are getting favored treatment since their protest. I say the humans should stage a major protest. Why not? Nearly every change over the last seven months has been a benefit to zombies. Lets face it the radio was hardly beneficial to us. Just a lot of people acting like fools. And the Dna extracting getting the profile? Well its about time since the zombies have only to click on our name and they get our profile. And they are suppose to be the mindless dead. I'm not for one sided changes only. I think that when the ratio of zombie to human is 50/50 its a fair game. But now that Kevan has changed so much such as the barricading with zeds inside, well things have gotten easier for zombies and harder for humans. If all humans refused to play and stood on a square doing nothing like the zombies did do you think anyone would reverse in our favor? A human dies and the penalty is trying to get a revive. Not easy such as now. A zombie dies and there is no penalty. If the zombie is revived they can jump out a window or let themselves be eaten no sweat. Shouldn't it be just as hard for them? So who is for "Humanstock" 2006? Deborah 03:37, 26 July 2006 (BST)

Jesus Christ. You've only had it hard for what, a couple of weeks at absolute most and you're already thinking of staging a protest? Less whaaaaaburgers, please. –Xoid MTFU! 05:49, 26 July 2006 (BST)

No one said that when the RRF went on strike because of the headshot implementation. And its hardly been a matter of weeks. As I said...over the last nine months there have been changes that have favored the zombies. Review the news and go eat your own whaaaaaburgers. Deborah 16:34, 26 July 2006 (BST)

You can't read can you? The survivor numbers were 73% and zombies 27%. Right now it is 52% zombies and 48% survivors. This is no way like the zombie strike. You phail. Sonny Corleone WTF RRF ASS CoL 16:38, 26 July 2006 (BST)

Actually survivors are at 43% if you "read" the game stats. But Zombie players and human players will never agree. If percentages keep dropping and the rest of the wiki map is red, I'd say the zombies have the upper hand. I'm not saying that the humans should have it easy. What fun would the game be? I'm saying, if you read what was written before, that all additions to the game have favored the zombies. I don't see how anyone can argue that. All you have to do is read the game news. I hear alot of humans complaining about it. I was really just joking about the 'humanstock' 2006. But it would be nice if when the new game features were put in monthly it had one thing for zombies and one for humans. I think this would balance things out. Deborah 03:08, 27 July 2006 (BST)

Humans has it so easy, for so long, that they've grown complacent and stupid. We both know that Kevan rarely, if ever, is punctual in updating the game to ensure balance. We got fucked over for almost a year before things were made even. Zombies were forced to work together to get anywhere in the game. It's selfish pricks like the majority of the survivor populace that are making this latest update worse. –Xoid MTFU! 03:15, 27 July 2006 (BST)
That was my mistake. I mixed 58 and 42 up with 52 and 48. I hate numbers. Sonny Corleone WTF RRF ASS CoL 03:44, 27 July 2006 (BST)
We can nevar agaree becas zomby playars and survivar playars are diffarunt by natuer!!11 Tehre is no won who plaes both sidse is tehre!1! –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 05:17, 27 July 2006 (BST)
Dude, I want to kill you and send you another Welcome message. Sonny Corleone WTF RRF ASS CoL 05:21, 27 July 2006 (BST)
Come on, you know I'm awesome. But for the love of god, not another welcome message. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 05:28, 27 July 2006 (BST

I actually agree with the guy. We need a new update that'll help us turn the tide. And I do have an idea for that Blessed update. It's called SPECIAL SKILLS. Skills only a certain class can get. The special skill should cost about 200 to 500 XP. Here's a few examples of a class and their special skills:

Consumer Special Skill: +10% item finding. Can talk on mobile phone in suburbs that don't have power.

Military Special Skill: +10% accuracy with all gun-type weapons. Can reduce 1 damage from gun attacks dealt to him/her.

Doctor Special Skill: Can heal +5 HP with each FAK used. Can cure an infection without Fak (?)

Scientist Special Skill: Can manufacture syringes using less AP (-5). Can perform a revivfication using less AP.

So is that a good idea? Maybe Kevan can tweak it a little? I think that special skills could even out the playing feild. Does anyone out there like my idea? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flood Master (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.

Hahaha. No. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 18:29, 28 July 2006 (BST)

I have been playing for a while and noticed that there is just no way to stop a horde from wiping out an area within a matter of hours. There is no way to simply stop someone who can just stand up and start attacking again until they are out of APs. They could give a darn if they get killed, they will just stand back up and kill some more. Thre is no effort to play a zed. I know I have one and am quite bored of it. Kill, get killed, stand up, kill some more, get killed, stand back up, etc. It is endless and boring. When someone makes a spy to check out an area for a horde, it is a matter of days and the horde shows up and wipes an area out. Dunell Hills comes immediately to mind. Most recently was Pennville. And both places had great communication and organization. They weren't lazy, they just had no way to defend against an unstoppable force that has no penalty for being killed. Bitching and complaining aside, there is no balance in that. There is only zombie domination. The game has lost its challenge. It has lost its appeal. I noticed that when I do not play a character for a while he fades into the darkness. Why not allow this to happen when we log out? That way we are "safe" from being murdered in our sleep. What about making it harder to get through barricades. Like heavier barricades or less chance to be broken down by the Zombies? Just throwing ideas out here without giving a bigger edge to one side or the other. I would like to find a good reason to play my zed character some more but at the current pace, what is the use? There is no challenege in it when I can die hundreds of times and keep getting back up without fear of losing my skills. As far as being a survivor, it is hard enough to try to rest at night without being murdered in my sleep before I can rise the next day to defend myself. Let's face it, how many people who sleep through being assaulted or even worse, eaten while sleeping? It would be like....."why isn't that guy fighting the zombie eating him alive? Oh, he is just sleeping!" See how unrealistic that would be? All sarcasm aside, to make the game fair for both sides, there must be a line for the amount of times someone can be put down before they lose some sort of motor skills. That would make it challenging again to be a zed. Then there would not be the wreckless destruction without fear of losing something they need.....their skills. That would bring some balance to the mix of things. Food for thought? I hope so. Otherwise the game is geting pretty redundant without change. Vincent

Le sigh. Y'know Vincent, there is this little thing known as "paragraphs". Could you please make use of them? Anyway, onto the points you raised:
  1. "They weren't lazy, they just had no way to defend against an unstoppable force that has no penalty for being killed." — Then suggest some way to defend against them, or better yet, play smart. The horde comes into town? Run. Play like the nomads that survivors were meant to be.
  2. "Why not allow this to happen when we log out?" — because then zombies would never get to kill anything. People are logged out for much longer than they are logged in.
  3. "…why isn't that guy fighting the zombie eating him alive? Oh, he is just sleeping!" — how is this any different from when a zombie is standing around outside, doing sweet fuck all? You are asking to impose a double standard here, one that griefs zombies. Why am I not surprised? This is not a real time game. When you are online you have 50 AP to spend. Use them all at once, or spare some for when you log on later. Use them all up in one go and get eaten? Too bad.
  4. "There is no challenege [sic] in it when I can die hundreds of times and keep getting back up without fear of losing my skills." — uh… you do remember headshot, right? The old style of headshot? Yeah, didn't think so. Losing skills is even worse than losing XP. You should be burned at the stake for even thinking of it.
Xoid STFU! 03:06, 16 August 2006 (BST)
I went sterile reading that whole paragraph. Sonny Corleone WTF RRF ASS 03:11, 16 August 2006 (BST)
First off, I apologize about the paragraphs, it was my first post using this format.
Thank you for your input for several of those things Xoid and thanks for the link, I will go give them my two cents worth. Not that it will make a difference, but I will feel better saying something.
BTW - Yeah, I remember the old style headshots. Fantastic idea. Made the Zombies who had no fear of death and loss of skill VERY AFRAID. I know, burn me at the stake, but I get no skill penalty and will be back up fighting again in no time, just a little crispier and with a few less APs ready to digest more humans.
Vincent 10:35, 16 August 2006 (BST)
Yup. You should be burned at the stake. For starters, once you have maxed out, you then have no fear of dying whatsoever, and no penalty. Losing XP when you already have every skill? Who cares? The only thing the old style headshot did was grief newbies. The new headshot actually has some deterrent. If you get headshot you lose AP. AP means something to those who have already maxed out. –Xoid MTFU! 06:56, 17 August 2006 (BST)
Xoid, quit being a bitch. I seriously hate people like you, who take out their frustration that came from God knows what on people like Vincent. I think Vincent has a point. Being a zombie has lost it's luster. I have two zombie accounts and though killing people in their sleep is awesome, it just gets boring. I was there when Ackland Mall fell, and how easy EH barricades fell in seconds to 200-fucking zombies. I think there needs to be a change for survivors, something like my idea (stated above somewhere...). Here's my woot to Vincent. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flood Master (talkcontribs) 14:51, August 24 2006 (Central Time).
There is a chance. Run. Run or die. Simple enough.--Thari S T F U 21:50, 24 August 2006 (BST)
You gonna get raped. --Sonny Corleone WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt! 22:02, 24 August 2006 (BST)
My frustration comes from fucking imbeciles like you, Mr. "I'll impersonate Bob Hammero", or maybe that should be Mr. "I'm clueless when it comes to the wiki, and I'll make myself look stupid by not signing properly."? Perhaps you could learn to indent properly while you're at that too, simpleton.
Another large part of what pisses me off? Cheaters. There are too many of them. You wanna know what the third sort of thing that pisses me off is? Clueless fuckwits like Vincent. If something needs to change, spend more than a second or two thinking about it instead of automatically advocating that the most hated, inane and irredeemably broken "feature" be put back into the game. –Xoid MTFU! 06:34, 25 August 2006 (BST)
Oh, excuse me! I didn't know you were going through your period. I am SO sorry. And seriously, think of a GOOD come-back instead of making fun of my signature. LOL who's the fuckwit now? But please, stay on topic for once. If you want a place to let out your little temper tantrums, go here [1] So anyways, I can't be a hypocrit, so where were we again? Human/zed struggle? Right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flood Master (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.
Hey, look everyone! It's Captain Oblivious to the rescue! In case you didn't notice dickwad, you changed the topic to me being pissed off for "God knows what". Now you know. I never said you were a hypocrite, just an idiot. Which you have again proven with aplomb. Good show. Oh, and what signature? You can't sign. It's four simple keystrokes, yet you can't seem to grasp it. More proof of your world class incompetence. Vincent's idea griefs newbie zombies and provides no deterrent to high level zombies whatsoever. Can anyone say "broken"?
As to your idea? Broken. Horribly, horribly imbalanced. Know what happens when you screw with the AP cost on revives? Zombies start leaving the game because they have no impact. Know what happens when you screw with a 15% boost to search rates everywhere? I laugh in your face, then zombies start to leave the game as they are not only have no impact, but can't even keep the status quo. Even a boost to just malls is insane. Malls are overpowered as is. Boosting the search rates would make the shotgun ridiculously overpowered. +15% to firearms skills? Are you on crack? That's beyond overpowered. Why not just give survivors a M1A2 and be done with it? The Doctor skill? Possibly the only one that comes even close to being balanced. Still needs work, but Sassie is working on something similiar. –Xoid MTFU! 05:36, 27 August 2006 (BST)
Shows how mature you are, thanks for proving to us your momma never loved you =)
BTW I'm starting to think sniping should be introduced along the lines of the binoculars. Snipers should be able to posted only in tall buildings and can shoot 1-2 spaces from their position. Sniper rifles, 4 rounds per gun? Doing about 5-8 damage? Not sure. And please remember this is just a game so keep your little tantrums to yourself... No one really cares. Have a nice day =) *laughs* -- Flood Master 19:50 CT 11/27/06
Obviously you do, or you wouldn't have felt the need to make a comment about it two months after the fact. You fail. Nice try though. Anyways, try discussing suggestions on the suggestions talk page. Finally, try looking at the help pages, of particular note would be lists, indentation, and signing. –Xoid MTFU! 12:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I geuss I don't spend all my life on Wikipedia then =/
Listen to Weird Al's "White and Nerdy" closely and see why... ANYWAY, I was just cruising by and remembered how I wasted my time here with people like you... But that's off topic. Thanks for the link... And take it from me, just CHILL. Flood Master 11:39 CT 12/1/06
"and see why..."? Because knowing how to use computer software, as well as code can make you buttloads of cash? No, wait, that can't be why I chose my current course of studies.</sarcasm> Could you look at the help pages, seriously. You keep making a mess and it's a pain to have to keep fixing it up. –Xoid MTFU! 15:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey just recently started playing but i have to admit that the zombies have the advadagte practicaly (sorry for the spelling) but i have three names, and with two of them just being revived i rejoiced since then i coud then actually have some fun fearing about whats in the next aer, what would happen if i came unpon an zombie. Real thing i see as a major prob is the Skills system, with the chance of hitting something making hit hard to kill or at least wound another it would make it smart to have all skills cut in half for all humans and for the zombies a .5 increase. Unfair but it means that the cheap and make life living hell for humans skills a bictch to get . These actualy solves most probs for both sides

  • Huumans are able to gain skills with needing to just get in mass and kill everything, this helps noobs alot and gives favor as new players come in are create new characters. This also means that any favortism givn to zombies is nulliefied but also means that any help the humans get is lessened
  • Zombies see this as more challanging and a funner experince, makes it harder for the lesser players that cant deal with the fact they cant just get the hell they want. So most of the vetern zombies woul like this. --Popa01 8:45, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Your English is utterly appalling — to the point that your idea is incomprehensible. Get a spellchecker, pronto. Also; this sort of stuff belongs at the suggestions talk page. –Xoid MTFU! 15:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


It might be useful for newbies and inexperienced users if the Sandbox was linked from the main page, so that they have practice editing before they start changing other pages. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 03:43, 8 June 2006 (BST)

Hell yeah. Let the kids play in the sandbox, instead of suffering from papercuts when they work with actual pages. –Xoid STFU! 03:45, 8 June 2006 (BST)
I second, errrr, third. Sounds great. --CaptainM P 03:48, 8 June 2006 (BST)
'k good idea.--Vista 11:30, 8 June 2006 (BST)
I'm all for it, but where should we place it on the main page? - Jedaz 11:34, 8 June 2006 (BST)
Somewhere prominent? Maybe in the "Wiki Information" navigation table? Although, really, it's not very prominent, being at the bottom of the page and all. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 19:08, 8 June 2006 (BST)
Stuff that. Better idea — make it a part of the skin. –Xoid STFU! 16:05, 11 June 2006 (BST)
Smandbox, hell yeah. --Jimbo Bob ASSU! 19:53, 8 June 2006 (BST)

Well, it looks like everyone likes the idea. Does a mod want to put a link to it somewhere? –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 19:50, 28 June 2006 (BST)

Mobile phone mast info

I don't know if this is the right place to but this, but here's my idea. You know how when your blocking a page, you put in the "location type"? Well, I think there should be a location type for Mobile Phone Masts. What do you think?--Labine50 MHG 19:47, 8 June 2006 (BST)

I don't think this is the right place for this idea, but regardless, I disagree. Phone masts are on different types of buildings, and are not themselves a type of building. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 19:51, 8 June 2006 (BST)

OT-wow vandals hit the main page again.-Labine50 MHG 20:35, 8 June 2006 (BST)

And again...--Labine50 MHG 20:38, 8 June 2006 (BST)
And agian agian...--Labine50 MHG 20:41, 8 June 2006 (BST)

Wiki disscussion forum

I have just created a wiki discussion forum to discuss the wiki in standarded message board format. All current wiki moderators will be made moderators on the forum.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 00:31, 9 June 2006 (BST)

Moderation/Guidelines need a link on the front page.

After the front page:

  1. Moderation Services
   * Deletions
   * Speedy Deletions
   * Vandal Banning
   * Protections
   * Policy Discussion
   * Promotions
   * Bureaucrat Promotions
   * Arbitration
   * Misconduct 

Moderation/Guidelines should be linked to, being a sub-set document of Moderation Services and a very important one at that. --The Fifth Horseman 11:34, 9 June 2006 (BST)

Since it is a policy document first and foremost, shouldn't it go under the policy documents bit? –Xoid STFU! 11:38, 9 June 2006 (BST)
It didnn't. I just fixed that. However, since it is cathegorized as part of Moderation Services, it is only logical for it to be linked to on the front page.
Especially that it considers something as important as actions of the Moderators of this Wiki. --The Fifth Horseman 11:45, 9 June 2006 (BST)
It should be updated as well, though.--Vista 11:47, 9 June 2006 (BST)

Tinyurl for the wiki

I have created a tinyurl link for the wiki: It's probably definitely not needed, but it's there if anyone wants it.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 15:46, 11 June 2006 (BST)

You saved one character. I'd say that yes, it's not needed. –Xoid STFU! 16:00, 11 June 2006 (BST)
I was bored.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 16:02, 11 June 2006 (BST)
Hilarious! Cyberbob  Talk  16:05, 11 June 2006 (BST)
Wow. One character. You might die if you spraypaint one more character! Oh, wait, death is not a problem... 343 U! 01:27, 21 June 2006 (BST)

Fifth Link box?

It occurs to me that the Moderation Pages could probably have their own link box, considering how many of them there are. Is there any support for a fifth box of links, specifically for Moderation Services? -- Odd Starter talkModW! 08:19, 12 June 2006 (BST)

Makes sense to me. --Jimbo Bob ASSU! 08:21, 12 June 2006 (BST)
Agreed. I think we are running out of good choices for pastels though. –Xoid STFU! 08:23, 12 June 2006 (BST)
Indeed. --The Fifth Horseman 12:14, 12 June 2006 (BST)
I added the fifth box. Now my only concern (apart from the colors) is the width of the whole thing. No prolems for 1280 widescreen, but for smaller ones it might be problematic. --Brizth mod T W! 13:27, 12 June 2006 (BST)
Could it be put as a several column wide box below the other boxes, maybe?--The Fifth Horseman 14:40, 12 June 2006 (BST)
That would look screwy. Screwier than it does now in 800x600 or 1024x768. I'll make my own modification, until something better can be sorted out. IT IS PURELY A STOPGAP MEASURE, SO NOBODY BITCH ABOUT IT. (I felt like I had to say that, it's not like people haven't paid attention before… *mutter* *mutter* *grumble*) –Xoid STFU! 14:48, 12 June 2006 (BST)
Maybe having "boxes" is just the wrong idea now, and we need to think about some other kind of presentation system? –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 17:27, 12 June 2006 (BST)
What do you propose? –Xoid STFU! 17:51, 12 June 2006 (BST)
I'm not sure. I'm going to mess around with this in my personal sandbox and I'll put a link here to the result when I think I have a workable solution. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 02:57, 13 June 2006 (BST)
OK, tell me what you think please: User:BobHammero/Sandbox/Main Page Rework. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 03:51, 13 June 2006 (BST)
I like the replacement navigation box, but prefer the older style text placement and such. –Xoid STFU! 04:00, 13 June 2006 (BST)
Like that? Feel free to salvage any code you want. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 04:18, 13 June 2006 (BST)
Something tells me we are gonna have bitching if it gets changed without a vote. –Xoid STFU! 04:26, 13 June 2006 (BST)
I want my 4 boxes back. – Nubis NWO 14:43, 12 June 2006 (BST)
No. Never, you'll never get them back. Nope. Nuh uh. (Feel free to ignore this.) –Xoid STFU! 14:48, 12 June 2006 (BST)

Guys, actually the 5 boxes design sucks because it screwed up the formatting (doesn't fit the navigator window properly). Now we got to torch you all down for not asking the community!! muahahahaha!! --Matthew Fahrenheit 04:36, 13 June 2006 (BST)

Not my fault that some inconsiderate jerk went and removed my stop gap measure for COMPATABILITY PURPOSES. Edit: Just because it should be "discussed" is no reason why those without large monitors should suffer. This is a low requirements browser based game for fuck's sake — not every one is going to have a 17" or 19" monitor. –Xoid STFU! 04:51, 13 June 2006 (BST)
Yeah, I agree that it looks shocking on 1024x768, and I won't even dare to imagine what it looks like for the 800x600 users. Maybe we should make some of the boxes thinner if possible so you don't have to scroll over to the side to get it all? - Jedaz 04:47, 13 June 2006 (BST)
Attrocious, trust me. Even four boxes looks dodgey. I may have a good machine, but I still try to keep things looking right for those who don't have the money for one. –Xoid STFU! 04:51, 13 June 2006 (BST)
In Grim's defense, the discussion should have had the opinions of more than 4 users before ANY change was made to the Nav Template. – Nubis NWO 05:50, 13 June 2006 (BST)
Then he should have reverted back to the version before Brizth added the 5th box. –Xoid STFU! 05:53, 13 June 2006 (BST)

Both the current solution and Bob's suggestion seem pretty valid. How about finally having a proper vote on the subject? --The Fifth Horseman 13:11, 13 June 2006 (BST)

Alright. –Xoid STFU! 13:15, 13 June 2006 (BST)
How about finally having a proper vote on the subject? Mmmh... no. That almost had me voting agianst both solutions. Votes have no meaning here except for informative reasons. So this would be a poll, not a vote. And it should not be used except as a tool in a meaningful discussion. --Vista 19:18, 13 June 2006 (BST)
That's how I took it as. With no rules laid out this is just to get feelings. Since people seem to be of the opinion; to quote Grim, "Fuck No", for the moment I've reverted the template to what it was before Brizth added the fifth box. –Xoid STFU! 02:24, 14 June 2006 (BST)

I think Bob's suggested page had some neat elements, so taking some other comments on board, I've created another possible Main page at User:Odd Starter/Alt Main Page. It's not the coloured boxes, true, but it is a rather different layout, with the blue link-box on the side, allowing quick and easy access. The only real issue is the squeeze on the Game News Box, though I have tried to minimise that. I don't think it looks too bad, though I'd appreciate some constructive feedback. -- Odd Starter talkModW! 13:52, 14 June 2006 (BST)

I really like your design, but there is a problem: as it is right now, the navigation box is pushed slightly off the edge of the screen. I would make the Urban Dead image a bit smaller (by 50-100px). –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 23:35, 14 June 2006 (BST)
That any better? -- Odd Starter talkModW! 02:44, 16 June 2006 (BST)
Strangely enough, no. After looking at your code for a while, I think it's a problem of the left-hand content pushing the navigation slightly off the edge. It looks like everything is contained in one big table, but I'm not sure what cells are too wide. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 03:23, 16 June 2006 (BST)

Voting - Bob Hammero's Version

  1. Yea - Xoid 13:15, 13 June 2006 (BST)
  2. No - urgh. --hagnat mod 18:18, 13 June 2006 (BST)
  3. No - If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I want my four boxes back. – Nubis NWO 18:25, 13 June 2006 (BST)
    Comment With the old Four Box layout, it was accessible to low-res screens. When people decided to get change-happy, it became a problem. – Nubis NWO 01:34, 14 June 2006 (BST)
  4. Yea - But if it is broke... The Main Page is, arguably, the most important part of the wiki, as it's the part people see first and likely most often. It should be accessible to people with low-res monitors, too. --Jimbo Bob ASSU! 22:14, 13 June 2006 (BST)
  5. No - I don't dare to guess how valid this vote is, without proper rules set or anything (see what happened to votes about Amazing's links above), but if they have ANY meaning, i want Nubis 4 boxes back, or some imaginative alternative to the 5 boxes design. --Matthew Fahrenheit 23:00, 13 June 2006 (BST)
    • Re: This is just to get a consensus. For the record; Hammero's version is one box; not five; his is an alternative. (Unless you want to quibble and say it's not an imaginative alternative.) –Xoid STFU! 01:01, 14 June 2006 (BST)
      • Re - Hammero's version looks crowded, thats all, i wasn't saying it wasn't good. And as a footer (because it's based on one) it will appear to everyone that the options contained on it are less important than they really are. The reason we have to be so careful (not picky, careful) about the design is because is the face of our Wiki: the best it looks the most probabilities we have than any newbie that comes will want to stay, and even better if people can actually find what theyre looking for. The appareance must be spotless, and still be functional. Spotless and Functional --Matthew Fahrenheit 01:44, 14 June 2006 (BST)
        • Comment - We could aways make it a series of boxes like {{Suggestion Navigation}} — each one on top of each other, you get to keep your pastels the number of boxes. –Xoid STFU! 01:01, 14 June 2006 (BST)
  6. Fuck no - Go back to the four box layout. --Grim s-Mod U! 01:43, 14 June 2006 (BST)
  7. Yea - What, did you really think I would vote against my own design? –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 23:31, 14 June 2006 (BST)

Down for Maintenance

Maybe the wiki could put a little box with some info about server maintenance on the main page? I'm getting a down for maintenance message on the urban dead servers, it'd be nice to know more if anyone else does.User6985 18:50, 20 July 2006 (BST)

I don't think anyone knows more than you do. I get the same thing. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 18:54, 20 July 2006 (BST)
I don't because I'm special. Sonny Corleone WTF 18:56, 20 July 2006 (BST)
I'll rephrase User6985. There should be an announcement about server maintenance on the main page.--Tico 00:00, 21 July 2006
Thanks Tico. It's now a News item, exactly what I meant.User6985 02:59, 21 July 2006 (BST)

New Idea

Ok, my idea was that we would have a Mentor Type page on the Wiki. What I mean is that we should have a page where people would post being "Mentors For Hire" And a newb wanting to learn would ask one to "Mentor" them, being nice and helpful. This would add a more friendly appearence to the Wiki. Because currently Project Welcome! while being good, more or less just puts the welcomenewbie template on their page and ignores them. This goes on the concept of one senior Wiki member basically "Oversees" what one newbie is doing, the newbie can fire him whenever mind you, and the Mentor would give constructive criticism and advice and help when needed. And the newbie chooses a Mentor from a list. So its not "Forced on them" --Canuhearmenow 20:56, 22 August 2006 (BST)

I like this idea very much, especially after i "badly fucked up the suggestions page" and got a vandalisim warning in the first five minutes i was here. --Gold Blade Hunt! 20:59, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Yeah, sorry about that Gold Blade, but it was pretty damn annoying to revert your early mistakes. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 20:49, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Project Welcome and Unwelcome anyone? --Sonny Corleone WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt! 21:06, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Sonny said it all. --Gage 22:03, 22 August 2006 (BST)
Not really, he has confused "seeking out newbs, helping possibly multiple newbs at a time" with "a newb actually asking for help, one on one tuition". I would sign up as a mentor for the second, but never as a Project Welcome member. –Xoid STFU! 02:09, 23 August 2006 (BST)

For the record I think that this is a great idea. --Paradox244 W! TJ! 02:11, 23 August 2006 (BST)

You know what? Yeah. If you make this I'll do it. But only make it an elite club for elite people. Like the Witch Burners. Only Witch Burners can be mentors. That way we make sure no new members get burned. --Sonny Corleone WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt! 02:25, 23 August 2006 (BST)

BURN HIM! Um. Yeah. Nothing to see here. Moving swiftly onward…Xoid STFU! 02:31, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Yeah, the idea sounds reasonable enough. I'll be happy to join up. I need to get out from the deep dark shadows of the suggestions pages once in a while. So how will it work exactly? Just a newbie coming up and saying "heY< I need help!!!11one1!", then someone helping them and then looking over the newbies actions for a while to see how they are going while giving helpful pointers? - Jedaz 06:16, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Ya, but they pick they can either pick a mentor from a list, and upon choosing a mentor the mentors name is removed from the list until the mentor is done with the newb. Or if the newb does not ask for a specific mentor one is assigned to the newb.--Canuhearmenow Hunt! 16:44, 23 August 2006 (BST)
Works for me, anything that cuts down on the incessant bitching around here gets a keep from me. MrAushvitz 18:51, 23 August 2006 (BST)

Good idea. I'd be glad to do this, since I pretty much do this same thing already with a few different people. You know who you are. ;) –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 20:50, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Well... I don't remember "fucking anything up" when I first came in and I never had any mentor or welcome message. (I still haven't killed you for it...) Anyway... I think this could work. I might even join in. --Niilomaan GRR! 10:44, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Wrong Date

The update is listed as 28th July, not 28th August, which is correct. Lightman 16:00, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Fixed. – Nubis NWO 16:02, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Adding to the Main Page

If no one objects I want to add Project Mentor and the Families of Malton. --Sonny Corleone WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt! 01:28, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Families of Malton wuold be OK, but to put a group in spite of others on the main page wuoldn't be great I must say. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 21:55, 31 August 2006 (BST)
the only group it would spite would be Project Welcome, which I'm surprised isn't on there already. – Nubis NWO 22:34, 31 August 2006 (BST)
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