Talk:Monroeville/Schematic Map

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North Monroeville	Central Monroeville
West Monroeville	South Monroeville
Outside the City

(The suburbs are much bigger than 10 X 10 as in Malton)

West of West Monroeville is Oak Hill. West Monroeville's North Western corner starts at 340-1. There is nothing further north than West Monroeville as it sits on the quarantine line. Oak Hill's North Eastern corner starts at 339-1 and continues west, as far as a large patch of woodland begining at 322-1 and may go as far as 300-1. This would make Oak Hill 40 blocks wide. I can't figure out that little map above to represent this, but West Monroeville is not south of North Monroeville as West Monroeville sits on the northern most edge. When someone figures out how to correct the little map above feel free to edit this comment out. --DonTickles 21:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

It's big. Damn big. We've got three seperate maps of central monroeville and can't connect them up.--Daeryon 22:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm having a tough time visualizing the suburb layout. from what I'm piecing together from various reports it's either like this

Oak Hill	West Monroeville	North Monroeville	Central Monroeville
South Monroeville
Outside the City

or maybe like this

Oak Hill	West Monroeville	North Monroeville	Central Monroeville
Outside the City	Outside the City	South Monroeville
Outside the City

but i can't be sure - please feel free to remove this if need be.--Lardass 02:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

update, Newtown was found in the SW (not by me) http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-26-08_0200hrs_PUBLIC/OUT_308-60_Newtown_Exists_e30-1d0-46e.html:

Oak Hill	West Monroeville	North Monroeville	Central Monroeville
Outside the City	South Monroeville
Newtown	Outside the City

Cant be like that. West and Central share a border and there is nothing forther north than either. In the East of central there is nothing and in the west of West there is oak hill. Which leaves the question: Where is north north monroeville if not in the north?

--Theokrat 13:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Colour Map

Schematic representation of the city.

	Oak Hill
	North Monroeville
	Central Monroeville
	West Monroeville
	South Monroeville
	Outside the City
	Newtown

This is not relative to size of the zones refered, but a way to display which zone touchs another. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 13:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but still no. West Monroeville is roughly where you put the North. --Theokrat 13:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead and edit the above map. then... if more people could help us solve this we would be able to understand monroeville faster. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 14:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I know to little of the other suburbs. West Mville stratches from (340,1) in the north-west to (370,46) in the SE. In the West is oak hills, which extends to the NW corner of the map. In the East lies the center, which stretches to the NE corner of the map. Leaves no place for "north monroeville" at all. Unless its somewhere in the south... Well the site is vastly empty, not a sinlge location report... I wounder if someone assumed the existance of that suburb as a counter balance to the south? --Theokrat 15:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

i can confirm that i moved from oak hill to 'outside the city to newton' with no intervening suburb.--Lardass 21:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Schematic representation of the city.

	Oak Hill
	West Monroeville
	Central Monroeville
	South Monroeville
	Outside the City
	Newtown

so i think it should look like this. there is no North Monroeville.--Lardass 00:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Note that in my own efforts of mapping (which I will attempt to bring into the main efforts, as and when I can work out where is best to do so) I crossed over from South Monroeville at 375-80 to Outside The City on 376-81 (I think, as I may not have recorded it properly) and back again between 371-81 and 370-80 when fully tracked back from the edge. But down at the edge, I appeared to cross back into South Monroeville crossing 390-95 to 391-96 and back again (traversing along the edge) 291-98 to 190-98, indicating a N-S border at '390.5' with South Monroeville to the east of that line. The terrain in that swathe was all "a field", except for a road travelling down the 383rd Easting and a T-Junction at 383-92 leading west beyond my (current) explorations. Make of that info what you will, those that come after... --As-to 21:36, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

This is still not correct. At the southeastern corner of Oak Hill, one finds South Monroeville to the south and West Monroeville to the east. Moving southeast from there, one finds that South Monroeville then border West Monroeville to its south. --Pdeq^Talk* 05:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

This seems to be a more accurate suburb map, although I am not sure about the borders of Newtown. --Pdeq^Talk* 20:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

From what i have heard, there was people seeing outside of town from west monroeville... and oak hill from south monroeville... this is the only schema that covers this situation. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 20:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Not quite. Having visited the southeastern corner of Oak Hill (and hoping it is rectangular), there is definitely a portion of South Monroeville along Oak Hill's southern border. Well, you can just see what I wrote about that area on the Oak Hill page. --Pdeq^Talk* 20:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Also West Monroeville is just as big as the Central part. --Theokrat 20:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

This is only a schema of who is where... it's not supposed to be on scale... i guess that for this to be on scale i'd have to resize it to 10x10 --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 20:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, this map isn't intended to be to scale yet. We're just trying to figure out the border right now. I hope that the suburbs are at least rectangular. Getting detailed info about suburb corners will help, rather than just reports of "I went north from A and ended up in B". Ignore anything that I repeated from what Hagnat already said. --Pdeq^Talk* 20:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Big Map

working on it... please hold... --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 21:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

The 10x10 schematic? Nice. --Pdeq^Talk* 21:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for editing the header and edit conflicting me... dickhead. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 21:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Just returning the favor. :) (realizes too late what you meant by "please hold") I'm going to make a few changes to the map based on my observations. --Pdeq^Talk* 22:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Do we have any confirmation on that weird region of Outside the City that is separate from the rest? Also, found the northeast corner of Outside of City, matches with the map we have now. Just waiting for the ap to get the coordinates. --Pdeq^Talk* 22:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

feel free to edit the above. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 21:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty concerned at this point that the suburbs are in fact NOT rectangular, I'm relatively convinced that the border between Oak Hill and West M. in particular is not strictly North/South. more like SSW.--Lardass 00:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Can you give some coordinates that show this? So far, reliable data is coordinates of corners and edges. --Pdeq^Talk* 00:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I think I hate Kevan just a little bit. <_< I can confirm some information from the automapper, but that is all +/- 1 position, after removing anomalies from vandalism. --Gilant ^talk-DEM 14:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Corner and Border info

The following is information that I have collected about corners and edges of suburbs. This should hopefully help (1) determine how suburbs touch and (2) determine which suburbs are rectangular. This info is from my characters and not the automap, so there is no worry about vandalism. Feel free to add your own info about corners/edges.

• Southwest corner of South Monroeville: [334,80]. This is bordered to the south, southwest, and west by Outside the City. Furthermore, I can confirm that the western border of South Monroeville is a straight north-south line.
• Southeast corner of Oak Hill: [339,46]. To the east of this corner is West Monroeville. To the south and southeast of the corner is South Monroeville.
• Outside the City runs along the southern border of Oak Hill, so it has one northern border at y = 47. At [333,47], it reaches a corner with Oak Hill to the north and northeast, and South Monroeville to the east.

--Pdeq^Talk* 22:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

• Southeast corner of West Monroeville: [369,46]. To the south, southwest, and southeast of this corner is South Monroeville. To the east of it is Central Monroeville. The southern border of West Monroeville is a straight east-west line.
• Southwest corner of Central Monroeville: [370,46]. To the south, southwest, and southeast of this corner is South Monroeville. To the west of it is West Monroeville.

--Pdeq^Talk* 23:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

• Northeast corner of Newtown: [327,59]. To the north, northeast, northwest, southeast and east is Outside the City.

--Pdeq^Talk* 23:25, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

• Border betwean West Monroeville and Oak Hill: [339,23] is already in Oak Hill, while [340,23] in West MV. This is kept like this vertically to the south, as stated above [339,46] is Oak Hill, [340,46] - West MV. --~~~~ [talk] 07:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Duke's map

Ok, you might've seen that i've parsed out maps for monroeville regions as rectangulars. All info for borders i was taking from this page.

here (350KB) is current state of my database (colors synchronised with this page). ugly black pixels are locations still missing in DB (and automapper too), don't mind them.

Anyway. See if there are errors. That Giant South MV's south border seems to be biggest problem.

p.s. i'm also going to blend building types colors in to look better --~~~~ [talk] 14:06, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

It seems good, although hopefully it's not supposed to be to scale? I didn't think South Monroeville was so big. But it matches with all the data I have on borders/corners, so good. --Pdeq^Talk* 17:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

check that out yourself... i also think i've taken the borders too far south... need more data... --~~~~ [talk] 17:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Oooh. If you look above, you'll see the South Monroeville has a corner at [335,80], so yeah you took it a bit too far south. Stop at y=80. --Pdeq^Talk* 18:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC) Also, x=335 is part of South Monroeville. --Pdeq^Talk* 18:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

But what about Hobbs Place Railway Station and Higgins Boulevard Railway Station on the east edge? are they in South MV or not?.. --~~~~ [talk] 18:55, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Not if the region is a rectangle. It should have a southern border at y=80, and those are around y=90. However, it looks from that corner info that Spearing Mall is split between burbs? That doesn't sound right. I'll go see if I can double check that. --Pdeq^Talk* 19:03, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Aah, it was a typo. The corner is at [334,80], thus not to split Spearing Mall. I'll go correct it above. --Pdeq^Talk* 19:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

so Spearing Mall is fully in South MV? p.s. updated [1] with buildings/open_land --~~~~ [talk] 19:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Does South MV really have that little peninsula in the southeast? I've never ventured over that far east. --Pdeq^Talk* 19:43, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I hope it does, otherwise it's cut out into "Outside the city" the same way as those few buildings are cut out from West MV to Oak Hill... p.s. uploaded current picture above. --~~~~ [talk] 19:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Update on South Monroeville. It is definitely not rectangular. It extends all the way south to the edge of the map. It has a western border at x=391. --Pdeq^Talk* 21:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

added to my data, updated pic above (and you might also see that some "black blocks" were fixed, he-he) --~~~~ [talk] 22:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Another tuppence-worth

Not been keeping track of the discussion, just wandering around (for a large part, at unaugmented Zombie-pace, and without even benefit of ankle-grabbing when being killed by others who passed) I've traced /almost/ all the borders. The above looks about right, to wit my own observations that we have:

Oak Hill, rect(301,1=>339,45)

West Monroeville, rect(340,1=>369,46)

Central Monroeville, rect(370,1=>398,46)

Newtown, rect(301,59=>327,98)

South Monroeville, rect(334,47=>398,80) plus rect(391,81=>398,98)

Everything else appears to be "Outside the city"

Note that I need to go back to visit the squares [390..391,80..81] to confirm the corner, for completeness (have yet to complete the full 'circuit' and get back to where I first realised there was the South Monroeville 'spur' on the southern edge). I also have assumed (until I get time to wander cross-suburb) that there are no sub-areas within the above rectangles or Outside the city areas, though I've traced virtually all internal borders and a large amount of edge-borders without noticing anything surprising. I don't understand what those black squares are supposed to be. I never noticed the ones on the LHS of the map being different (save coinciding with some (but not all) Woodland squares that I wandered into, in fact hiding from potential Zombie Hunters to save my meager handful of AP during mapping). However, it just goes to show that solo efforts like mine can't compete with a good collaborative effort. ;) --As-to 13:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Black squares on my map are those that are unknown, i.e. info on them lack on wiki and in automapper. i'm waiting for someone to provide info (screenshots preferabbly) about the location name (and region name) on those coordinates. --~~~~ [talk] 16:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)