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Well, here it is.
Lorisdontas, as a matter of interest, we're losing faith in Haralds idea that you are Born Evil. This doesn't mean we don't think Born Evil is a member of MAF, however, or that MAF as a whole (or partly) are responsible for this.... in fact, his obvious targeting of IUSS and the Crabapple Estate, as well as of copius others, but not members of the MAF, according to his list, is really quite interesting. Nonetheless, we can't find any explanation otherwise as to why you are claiming you killed Harald von Holzapfel. We've considered the option you may have killed an impersonator, but after investigation that seems unlikely. We believe Harold, who after all would have doubtless immediately started declaring his intention to kill anyone from MAF who killed him, and we can't see the point of you lying, since you've killed a number of Crabapples and friends. Your efforts to clear your name, however, are somewhat convincing ... only a severely baffled and desperate man could make such an frantic effort to clear his name! Plus, we're bored of arguing about something with insufficient evidence..... --Crabappleslegalteam 02:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
January 20
Perhaps they could go on the Crabapple/MAF negotiation page, but that page is now becoming somewhat lengthy. That said, this page is also extending, so I shall begin to archive it, on the news archive discussion page. Perhaps an archive for the discussion page should be established. Some people do go on! --St. Ethelbert Crabapple 12:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Can we stop clogging these talk pages? M(A)F and the Crabapple Clan don't like each other, okay, we get it. That doesn't mean we need to have these spam/troll/flame wars on every darn talk page. --Luigi Galleani M(A)C | M(A)F 20:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
well, Luigi, you've done it as well! Interesting to see your phrasing and terminology to be almost exactly the same as that of Carlo Chalmo, ex of the I.U.S.S., on previous occasions, by the way!
I can't continue this discussion, its going no where, he is just going to continue to maintain that I am a someone i'm not. sorry I'm not going to waste my time while you shit out of your mouth. You have no proof that I am born killed or whatever, and why would I do that anyways, I have a character to kill you with, I have no need to anonymously kill you, so this isn't even worth wasting time. We both don't like RED RUM cool, it's your word against mine, and you should stop spinning rumors that are false. THe Black Bloc doesn't zerg, we don't PK anyone exept the crabapples.
Cause, really, I could just do the same as you, saying "mulder is crabapple, boo hoo, and the like, look everyone aren't they BAD, I'm in the right cause i said it first" but there is no point trying to blame someone for something that any one person in this burb could be responsible for. Drop it man, there is no point to continually maintain something that is ONLY YOUR OPINION. You don't remember when i killed you in Lamport hills? not my fault you deny that happened, so grow up and just cut out your paranoia, its not a grand conspiracy. lets play the game
I just think you are butthurt that I decided to comeback to this suburb after the rest of the M@F left, because I disagreed with how you took over all of west boundwood and turned it into your playground when we left and sprayed "westboundwood worships lord crabpple" You are just trying to get me sick of your manipulations and lies so that I will leave out of disgust again, not going to happen though, my disgust for your manipulative actions has turned into hate and no matter what you say, I will not stop, the only way for me to have fun playing this is to make you stop playing this game, because no matter how much trash talking you do, it will only be worse for ya...--Lorosidiotas 02:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
(No, it was just moved to the bottom, where i hoped this interminable discussion would end, stop being butthurt about the fact we will noty let you be a little tyrant who can claim the whole burb for themselves, not fair to the others..., you want to see my post, its at the end of the PK section because I wanted this BS to end, you couldn't even let me give a declaration of opposition without turning this into one of your wiki circuses, pretty sad, and stay of my groups talk please your comments are the kind that you should better leave unsaid, since the only way i could reasonably respond is by reposrting you for vandalizm I'm putting it back for the sake of continuity, I'm just not that experienced on the wiki--Lorosidiotas 20:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Mehr lugen Harald von Holzapfel 02:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Proof of the unclaimed murders has now been added to the list on the main page. --St. Ethelbert Crabapple 14:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
The badmen have suddenly decided to accuse me of being a PKer because I killed a Crabapple agent in their building. AI hasn't mentioned anything about the 'ownership' of The Badman Building, but considering we are fighting a war I can hardly see why the Badmen are so uptight about us killing in 'their' building. If we didn't then the building would become a crabapple haven. Either badmen deal with the crabapple's in the building or we are forced to deal with them. This has become a war, we hope that the badmen respect this. Stop the accusations and start some respect. We respect you, but you must also respect that the Crabapples are our enemies. - HighlandZHunter
War, HighlandzHunter? Are the IUSS now officially declaring war on the Crabapple Estate? Harald von Holzapfel 01:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
HighlandzHunter has shifted over to join all the other psychos in the M@F, where his rudeness and desire to kill innocent people is presumably more appreciated - so the question is, are M@F officially at war with the Crabapples? And would anybody notice the difference? Everyone just thought you'd run out of animals to torture, and were getting frustrated again--Crabappleslegalteam 12:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
the Black Bloc (not the M@F) claimed responsability for three killings, already mentioned, and all crabapples. who is using false characters to pk, i do not know as I only pk using my main character, Emilio Libertinaje. please retract the statment where you attempt to blaim the M@F and the Black bloc for the killing of IUSS people, Badmen and other rank and file survivors. I only claimed responsability for three killings, the only three I killed. WHO IS sassafras? weird... at any rate, don't blame us for the pking of other random individuals, i am going to edit it out since I didn't do it--Lorosidiotas 22:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
"the Black Bloc (not the M@F)?!?" half the MAF are Black Bloc! Shifting between sub-departments in your ironically unwieldy bearauocracy doesn't cut the mustard with us, bowyo!--Crabappleslegalteam 12:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, dude, I am the only member of the Black Bloc still part of the M@F, all others have given up on this game,my actions are not recognized by the M@F, I operate alone.--Lorosidiotas 20:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Mehr propaganda.... edit nicht, luger! Sie has not killed me. . Mehr lugen! As Emelio, you have not yet even attacked me! The truth is you have in fact healed me once, meaning you have only ever ADDED TO MY HEALTH!
Unless you are BORN EVIL, as witnessed by all in the Badmen building. There are many of the Pkers, with much evidence as to MAF sockpuppetry. This is your confession, Emelio?
Screw you man, trying make me seem guilty for sock puppets you people probably operate. you uptight anal Islander. I only claimed pkings done by my self, If you want to deny the fact that i got you with emilio, thats your problem, but don't you fucking spread rumers you don't even know to be true, you are the group with a long history on inflitrating others airwaves to try to get us to attack you so you seemed to have the "moral high ground".
Habt sie killed me, Lorisdontas? Then you are Born Evil. A Pker, zerger, false flagger.... oder, is that one more lie?
Your proof? You don't have any, I can't be every PKer in the city of malton, how dare you blame me for being responsable for career-pkers when I myself suffer from them, I was killed by C138 of red rum also, snob. Proof, exactly unfounded lies, no way to back it up! for all we know you operate them yourself; considering you have 4 members but about a dozen operatives, what will keep my from accusing you of zerging, good sportmanship, so lets play out this feud your people started by being such a rude SNOBS all those months ago--Lorosidiotas 20:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Falsch. Falsch, falsch, falsch. Sie habst delusions? Your groups failure affecting your tiny mind? Was proof?!? How can I prove something DIDN'T happen? You are an idiot, Emelio. Und propagandist..... the only person to kill me is Born evil. If that is you, you have killed me. Well done. Zerger. If not, you lie, oder haben ein traum! Harald von Holzapfel 01:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Mochten sie death? I have just killed LinaSassafrass, wo ist das, eine mehr of the MAF? Same tactic as you as Born Evil and Elias Taylor as King Crabapple. My guess - and what you have said.
The 5 members of the Crabapple Estate are the Crabapple family themselves. How friends and relatives should be referred to, if at all, has not been established... being somewhat disinterested in these bureaucratic issues, discussion over this matter have been fragmentary. --St. Ethelbert Crabapple 12:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I do not know who is responsable for that, perhaps them M@F, I cannot say, but it wasn't the Black Bloc, I swear. perhaps someone in the IUSS did it, after all, since you declared war on them they have gotten pked many times by bounty hunters and your operatives. Well, my enemy, good luck hunting me in the game, and stop wasting your time on here with your lawyer-speak, you just come off looking obssessed with our guilt, come and kill me, that was the original threat when you kicked me out of the pearle. So, good luck with the hunt chap, I promise you i will not be as butthurt as you get about it...que feo obsession ke tienes aritocratico--Lorosidiotas 20:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Mehr lugen. Niemand declared war against the I.U.S.S. Harald von Holzapfel 02:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
If you want death, just fail to apologize, tell me where you are, and I will try to fit you in while killing what you make more obvious are MAF sockpuppets. Harald von Holzapfel 01:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
you stupid bug, M@F doesn't target innoccents OR their friends, you are scum, unlike you, I don't need to falsify events, I only need to find you and kill you using Emilio Libertinaje. If you continue to spead the rumors that I have killed others in a form of False-Flaging, stop being a wimpy child and come kill me, what are you waiting for?--Lorosidiotas 04:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Schlaf gut, Emelio. If you threaten me, please wait quietly to die while I am busy. This includes not using sockpuppets to kill my relatives, their servants, or friends. Or more innocents! Harald von Holzapfel 01:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Only pk with only your main character? So Emelio is a Pker, and you use another two fellas as spies, perhaps? It wouldn't surprise us!
Emelio, you silly sausage, you really do have your knickers in a twist this week! We don't care whether it is you personally who is undertaking these illegal actions, but they're obviously undertaken by M@F sockpuppets. And now the evidence is in - panicked censorship!
Perhaps you just don't know what your dodgy Komrades in M@F are up to - but we doubt it.
At this point it should be mentioned that none of the members of the Crabapple family or relatives have actually so much as laid a finger on the M@F except for Lady Fanny Crabapple, who has made a few retaliatary stabs and Harald von Holzapfel, who has only killed those who have assaulted him. Warlords? In our experience the Crabapples generally believe themselves above these things.... all the rest of the revenge attacks have been undertaken by their friends. While you lot turn into drooling murderers at the drop of a hat! You've already deleted one page of a discussion board when your unjustifiable murders were uncovered, lets see how long the black bloc one remains!
The grafitti of the blatant (Elias Taylor?) sockpuppet King Crabapple, and your apparent knowledge of Haralds Pking by the 'unlinked' Pker point obviously nowhere but at the MAF. Perhaps it was not you, but one of your creepy friends,
The sockpuppet flagged as I.U.S.S. is doing exactly the same as the sockpuppets flagged as Crabapples, but presumably with more complex reasons. We'll try and garner more evidence - it shouldn't be very difficult - you are a silly bunch!--Crabappleslegalteam 13:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I seem to recall being PKed by a Crabapple without provocation during the peace negotiations. Never got an apology nor an explanation. Honestly, I'm just waiting for you folks to move on or break up. The IUSS has been in West Boundwood longer and done much more for WB than you guys have ever even tried to do. Meanwhile you just go around spraypainting that this or that is your property 'do not trespass', or infiltrating our radio waves, or PKing us and then whining when you see largescale retaliation, or zerging. What a bunch of crooks. --Luigi Galleani M(A)C | M(A)F 18:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
The MAF only bore everybody, and kill innocents who do not subscribe to their enforced politik. Mehr lugen. I can see no reason justifying my relatives or myself more against such blantant liars and Lady killers like you, Emelio, and all your miserable group. Guten tag. Harald von Holzapfel 01:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Answered twice before, Luigi..... M@F started the violence, simultaneously launching a fairly relentless propaganda campaign, which stopped the peace talks before you were attacked.... and you know it! "Largescale retaliation or zerging?" so you admit you are zerging then? --Crabappleslegalteam 11:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
January 18th
Harald von Holzapfel has never died at the hands of a confessed Black Bloc terrorist - their attacks have been unsuccessful. He has only died at the hands of Born Evil, who has the 'Red Rum' description. Harald von Holzapfel was dead for a short time. It could be interpreted that zerging must be confusing the MAF, since they have failed to realise this, and that they do not remember which characters they were controlling at the time. . The repetition of the same slander from MAF such as the obviously purpose built sockpuppet King Crabapple was spreading is further evidence of this - and further murder of innocents by similarly false flagged 'Crabapples' would appear to be an extension of the same, endangering innocents. The false flag IUSS members assassinations can be perceived as almost reaching kindergarten sophistry levels of conspiracy, and shows that MAF are willing to abuse even their allies for their own desires.
"Your lies catch up with you, and you are naked as the liar you are! And now West Boundwood can see your lies!" can be heard as a proclamation from Harald, while laughing, swiftly followed by "Fasching! Helau!" for no apparent reason. Harald von Holzapfel 01:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
(Um, jackass, what proof do you have do you have that "MAF are willing to abuse even their allies for their own desire" or that we target innoccents? Show it to me and stop being a WHINY BITCH. quit it out, all I am saying is I am making a feud with your crabs, so lets rumble, you can't stop one character? Stop this propaganda and lets play the game, play out the feud. With something like this, blame could go anyway, either way, and simply put, it is not worth throwing basless accusations about who controls red rum)--Lorosidiotas 04:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
The proof is that all these false flag fellas turned up at the same time, you seem to be personally claiming at least 1 kill as your own, and the Pkers all seem to be acting in similar fashions.... the false Crabapples ones are either killing Crabapples, or killing innocents to defame the Crabapples, and the false I.U.S.S. ones seem to be acting to provoke the I.U.S.S. and Crabapple Estate to attack each other by attacking both. The claim that the Crabapples have declared war on the I.U.S.S., made by yourself or Luigi (somewhere in this discussion), shows a desire to escalate the situation to the conflict you clearly seek. The similarity of the grafitti of some of the Pkers, your recent shift 2 suburbs away, Pker and Emelio in the same building, Emelio appearing and disappearing elsewhere before a victim is assaulted.... we should stop answering odd bits of this messy page and just do a summary really. Or see what else we can dig up first, maybe. We're beginning to repeat ourselves, perhaps.--Crabappleslegalteam 17:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
January 17th
The Pking continues, and it would appear from the confession of Emelio that it is the MAF group Black Bloc who are responsible, apparently in order to sow discord to further their own plans to control the Suburb. Since these murders appear to include innocents, the IUSS and the Crabapple Estate, and have occurred within the Badmen building, it is recommended that members of MAF be considered enemies of West Boundwood, in addition to the list of previously unknown Pkers listed below, and treated in the same fashion.--St. Ethelbert Crabapple 12:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The black bloc only claimed responsability for three crabapple deaths, the Black Bloc only targets crabapples, nothing more, remove these falsehoods about us killing our friends the IUSS, neutral (chill) survivors and the Badmen, Emilio publicly states here and now "We only target Crabapple-scum, no one else has been targeted by the Black Bloc" Emilio's confession refered to the Crabapples, not to random PKing by red rum folks--Lorosidiotas 22:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The previous actions of the various affiliates of the Crabapple Estates are in response to the numerous acts of violence enacted largely by the MAF. Evidence of such can be found, amongst other places, at the Black bloc message board
A previous thread regarding more of the same (“including large amounts of insults and childish gloating” – quote from a lawyer) have been removed from the main MAF board, although references to plans for co-operation with zombie groups are still there
More signs of unprovoked MAF violence can be found on The Crabapples and MAF negotiations page, and doubtless elsewhere.
The latest escalation into killing using unregistered characters, using false group names, attempting to implicate both the Crabapples and the IUSS (including a character named for the purpose), and Pking innocents to further their political goals is taken as proof that they are indeed terrorists of the most criminal order, and should be dealt with according. That many 'official members' have relocated 2 suburbs away (in Lamport Hills) shortly before all the Pking began may be found to be particularly interesting evidence.
--Crabappleslegalteam 13:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
January 16th
The Black Bloc Anti-Authoritarians today publicly accepted responsability for the mounting resistance the the Warlord Crabapple's expansion in West Boundwood. The Black Bloc believe the Crabapple Estates expansion (encompasing nearly all of West Boundwood) equates to theft of land that, in their opinion , rightfully belongs to the rank and file survivors of this city. The Black Bloc has avowed that the Estate will not go unpunished and the Warlord will not have a moments rest as They force them to return to their estates previous limits. This campaign of resistance was brought upon by numerous cases of execution of west boundwoodiens (FEMA AGENT, IUSS locals) by affiliates of the estate, including Tiberious Bao and Babette. As Anarchists, they are demanding the return of West Boundwood to the unincorporated survivors of every type, to be used by all exept the Black Bloc, who have no wish for land, but wish for equity, since in the aftermath of the apocalipse, property deeds are generally held to be simply peaces of paper, and no one has a right to hoard safehouses in a whole suburb. Those Punished for crimes against community: Tiberious Bao, killed in East Boundwood, Harald Von Harapzel, and Fanny Crabapple. Their spokesperson was quotes saying "No greedy deed will go unpunished Warlord, your times of dictator and lord of west boundwood are closing...--Lorosidiotas 23:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Statement by Harald von Holzapfel
The times for terrorists who would impose their perverted idea of justice on those trying to live in peace together is, in my opinion, not now. Terrorists always demand, and slander with their propaganda. West Boundwood is not and has never been yours to demand anything of, MAF terrorist, and has never been yours to be returned to. Your greed for control is obvious. Your fate will be what you deserve. I have never attacked anybody but those who attacked myself, which is more than can be said for the MAF terrorists, who have instigated violence and slander upon myself for failing to submit to their actually totalitarian will, and agree with their angry childrens idea of communism.
And 'Born Evil' is a name only an immature infant could give to a sockpuppet Pker to try and make it sound impressive, if that is what it is.
Continuation of discussion from main page
(This reply to a none Encyclopedic/NPOV post is the same, as of necessity. Both should probably be moved to the discussion page, or negotiation page. The MAF post, as is normal, is full of untrue propaganda.)Harald von Holzapfel 01:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC) The M@F hit the Badmen? What are you talking about? No such thing has ever been heared of, I sleep at the badmens from time to time and I have no problem with the most hardworking group in the suburb. you trippin kid--Lorosidiotas 20:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Na ja. Was apparently your allies, the IUSS. It is easy to confuse you!--Harald von Holzapfel 12:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah? well were are not the same, remove that statement or I will as it is a falsehood--Lorosidiotas 20:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Was ist falsch?!? You lie so much you cannot tell the difference between lies and opinion! Mein Gott! Still, my statement stands, unless you mean on the main page... I will amend it.Harald von Holzapfel 00:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
No not here, I mean on the main page were you say the M@F assaulted the badmen, never happened, please remove, thanks--Lorosidiotas 20:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
So you are Crabapple? So than you know, why we attacked you? You have been warned... we fight for the survivors in Malton. Survivors, that need shelter. Shelter, that your so-called "private property" could provide, if you´d let people stay there.
I warned you two times. but istead of an answer i was laughed at. your arrogance made this inevitable! And though i just speak for myself, i can say that i have never used any kind of rude language whilst talking to you.
--Madd83 20:23, 17 September 2006 (BST)
Ok, so you are not Crabapple... at least you say so, though i do not believe you. I am Madd83 from the MAF that has executed the Lord several times... If your Lord is interested in peace, why is he not responding to us? Actually i have contacted friends of him several times... The MAF is/was talking about a treaty with him but there was no response from the so called "Lord".
And to say a few things: 1. The Lord was not executed by surprise... he has been warned several times and he did not respond properly. He did not even consider talking to us. Instead he and his friends answered with arrogance. 2. I have only killed Lord Crabapple (though i killed him 3 times) and people that are his friends, no other survivor has ever been harmed by myself. 3. While the MAF attacked the Lord and his friends directly, it was Ivana Tinkle, that tried to create a civil war between the MAF and IUSS!
BTW: The Lord is trying to talk about Peace with "socialist groups"? You are wondering why you do not get an answer? Maybe because "friends" of your Lord tried to lure the IUSS into a civil war... thought about that?
But this does not matter anymore since WB will be overrun by zeds soon and i hope that the arrogance of lord crabapple and his friends will make them food for the zeds! --Madd83 22:54, 23 September 2006 (BST)
Lord Crabapple vs the Terrorists
Lord Crabapple has had no offers of peace from the terrorist groups who want to dominate all 100 blocks of West Boundwood. Lord Crabapple has noted that these terrorists claim to have the people's interests at heart and yet have run away from West Boundwood leaving the people to fight for themselves. The people of the Crabapple Estate have stayed throughout this crisis and are fighting alongside the common folk.
THE M@F HAS ATTEMPTED TO SEEK PEACE, YOU HAVE IGNORED THAT. WE ARE NOT TERRORISTS, YOU ESTABLISH TERROR BY FORCING SURVIVORS TO GO OUTSIDE RATHER THAN INFRINGE ON YOUR PROPERTY. YOU CAN HANG OUT WHERE YOU WANT, JUST DON'T DISCRIMINATE OR YOU WILL DIE. We respect your home, aswell. Property is obsolete though
They say they are not terrorists and do not discriminate and yet they kill people just because of their class. Is this not discrimination? They kill people for simply existing. Is this not terrorism? They kill people who having a name they object to. Is this not discrimination? . They make stupid lies about forcing players out of property. How can you force a player out of a building. Only zombies have that skill, maybe MAF are thinking like zombies, maybe MAF are behind the latest zombie attacks. MAF are terrorists. MAF discriminate. MAF murder the innocent.
Do not let MAF dictate to you. Freedom for the People of West Boundwood! --this was unsigned by 10:26, 13 October 2006 TheLibrarian
The M(A)F impose on no one. It is an umbrella federation. I am in the M(A)C, and we are among the member collectives with hostilities towards the Crabapples. I personally don't recall attacking any of you except Ivanatinkle, who I have killed several times for her provocation and will continue to until she apologizes, makes amends, and quites zerging. As for the Crabapples, it is you who have discriminated based on class, and though I have not attacked you or your kin, I do not think almost anyone could consider M(A)C and other groups' hostilities against Crabapple to be terrorism or imposition. We respect, protect, revive, heal, barricade, and defend any survivors we pass who do not declare hostilities toward working people and are not bigots against other survivors. Private Property is obsolete. --Luigi Galleani M(A)C | M(A)F 19:21, 17 October 2006 (BST)
- Curently, some members of the member collectives of M(A)F have sat patiently in the Pearl Arms, awaiting Lord Crabapple and kin for negotiation. We still await that. I have searched and searched for Crabapple and his ilk, and have seen more evidence of their possible zerging, but not evidence that they are up to negotiating. Please, feel free to come to us in the Pearl Arms, where we await you non-violently and with sincere intentions. --Luigi Galleani M(A)C | M(A)F
