UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Cyberbob, Sexylegsread and DanceDanceRevolution vs 2 Cool

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Cyberbob, Read and DDR vs. 2 Cool (J3D) and (Nick)

Thad's opening comments

Right. Let's get started, shall we? Well then, let me then start, with saying that this is my first arbitration case in which I'm the arby. I have been one of the involved parties in three case's prior to this one, though. I'm going to format this case by what I have saw and learned from Cheese and Boxy (my arbies in those case's).

I'm aware that most of you have participated in arbitration before, so I expect that everyone knows the basics.

You can start by making your own opening case's under the heading that applies to your party. Provide all the information I need, coupled with the links to the edits/pages in question. I need reasons too, so make sure you have steady arguments to back everything up. Do not post under each others heading and do not go into discussion. Completely ignore each others texts for now, you will get a chance for rebuttals and discussions later on. Simply put, I need the what's and why's in these bits.

On a final note, if you are not one of the involved persons (listed above^) then please keep your comments on the talk-page. Failure to comply will lead to me moving your comments as well as possible vandal escalations. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 23:30, 11 September 2009 (BST)

Bob's, Read's and DDR's Opening Statement

Only editable for Cyberbob, Read and DDR

DanceDanceRevolution

The backstory to this case is rather simple. Nallan and J3D's 2 person group, 2 Cool, and its sister collaboration, ALiM, are both two projects run by said users, and has been active for around 2 years. Given two years of compiling "amusing" locations, and making "amusing" locations descriptions, their 2 cool fan club, as of May 2009, consisted of one member.

It's all down to speculation, but I often consider that 2 Cool got lonely, and, sick of having the smallest fan club on the wiki, decided to add several users, which consisted of Sexylegsread, Cyberbob240 and myself.

Despite expressing that we do not wish to be a member of this club (on the wiki and via IRC), and subsequent attempts by Bob to remove himself from the list, we remain on the list under the following descriptions:

This is slander and I wish for our names to be removed immediately. The initial parts of my case come as follows:

the "club"
Webster's Dictionary said:
An association of persons for the promotion of some common object, as literature, science, politics, good fellowship, etc.; esp. an association supported by equal assessments or contributions of the members.

Following the principles of the dictionary definition of a "club", the purpose of the 2 Cool Fan Club is bound by the common interest of following/supporting 2 Cool, an act in which neither three of the victims have never engaged in, or shown any interest in doing. To the contrary, Cyberbob has a known antagonistic relationship with the members of 2 Cool both as wikizens and as frequenters of UDWiki's administration section. I have pestered 2 Cool's fail nature (see here) countless times over the space of months, almost years, and have since accommodated the spawning of creations like 2 Cool/Shitty Unofficial Nicknames Given to 2 Cool, similarly to Cyberbob and 2 Cool/Bob's Epic Fails. Furthermore, Read has been quoted by saying that he thinks 2 Cool is "fucking gay". For examples such as these, one can easily assume that we are not joking in our quest to have our names removed from said woeful club.

In fact, the dictionary definition for association is a formal organisation of people or groups of people, and since 2CFC only has one confirmed member, it fails to even meet the criteria to be defined as a club at all. Hence this makes 2 Cool's page severely misleading and a detriment to the public of UDWiki. I ask the arbitrator to consider this when ruling based on the credibility of the accused.

legitimacy
2CFC said:
Sick of being a lame ass loser? Join the Fan Club! Just drop us a line on the talk page and put "2 Cool FUCKING ROX MA SOXXXXXXX" in your group description in game.

The header text of the 2 Cool Fan Club suggests that the prerequisites of becoming a member is:

  1. To not be a lame-ass loser.
  2. To physically join, via the talk page
  3. put "2 Cool FUCKING ROX MA SOXXXXXXX" in the group description to an UD profile under your control.

Despite passing criterion 1 (and as such I thank the accused for considering us to not be "lame-ass losers"), all three of the victims did not pass, voluntarily or otherwise, critereons 2 or 3. We did not "join" 2CFC via the talk page or otherwise, and I for one do not have 2 Cool FUCKING ROX MA SOXXXXXXX in any group tag of my main account or any of my alts; [1], [2], [3], [4], ,[5], [6] and [7].

For this, I claim 2 Cool's forceful addition of said victims into the 2 Cool Fan Club to be illegitimate, and I wish for my name to be taken from said page, as well as my peers Cyberbob240 and Sexylegsread.

Cyberbob

DDR's post owns and I won't try to compete with it. Boiled down this case is basically: 2 Cool lists people as members of something they do not want to be part of, people want to be delisted. The case I linked to in the opening post of this case shows rather objectively that the precedent is on our side. That's about it. Cyberbob  Talk  16:04, 12 September 2009 (BST)

MichaelRead

I hope these fools be brought to justice for hurting my best friend Bob and calling him a babbie.--CyberRead240 11:01, 13 September 2009 (BST)

.2 Cool Openings Statement

point 2 Cool (.2C for short) cheerfully withdraw this case.xoxo 06:06, 5 October 2009 (BST)

I intend on continuing the case until you also remove victim Sexylegsread from the 2CFC. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 06:19, 5 October 2009 (BST)
myob, case is now between 2c and read. You continuing would be the same as you representing him, and since you denied me having representation i'm going to afford you the same respect. Good day sir, i said good day!--xoxo 06:22, 5 October 2009 (BST)
Fine by me. I will be watching this eagerly. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 06:50, 5 October 2009 (BST)
Wait, what? Who's withdrawing? Cyberbob  Talk  07:46, 5 October 2009 (BST)
2 Cool say they are withdrawing and have removed you and myself from the Fan Club, but have left Read up there. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 07:59, 5 October 2009 (BST)
Will continue with this, I dont want to be in the club tbh it is super gay--CyberRead240 07:40, 14 October 2009 (BST)
Its that or the hate club, so put up or shutup. Wait, i think its put up and shutup or continue with this. That sounds more right.--xoxo 16:09, 16 October 2009 (BST)

Interim Ruling

Right, because this case has lasted long enough, I'm going to give J3D one more chance as well as clarifying what role DDR and Bob can play. Since they have been removed from the club, they are no longer allowed to contribute input on this page, (but still on talk, obviously) . However, the material they (DDR specifically) already provided will count, and I will take it along in consideration. In short, Read can continue with the case, with all the material provided by Bob and DDR in the past, unless he specifically mentions otherwise.

As for J3D and Nallan, I'm giving you guys 3 days to come up with an adequate defense. Failure to comply will result in me ruling without your input, with all the possibilities this brings.

And lastly, my final ruling will also cover sub-groups such as the Southern Cross Club, as well as these kind of groups in general. This because these are connected to this case at hand. Thank you for your time, I'll see you back in three days. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 10:56, 18 October 2009 (BST)

No sorry, SCC is entirely seperate as it is not int he 2 Cool subspace. We forfeit the 3 days in regards to the fan club however he soutern cross club is entirely seperate andyou don't have the authority (for want of a better word) to make a ruling regarding it. Nick is with me and agrees with what i just wrote so don't bother waiting for him to saysomethign.--xoxo 11:00, 18 October 2009 (BST)
I am on the opposing side and I agree with Jed. SCC is an entirely different matter completely, not under the 2 Cool namespace and if you bothered to do some light reading on said deletions issue, you would have seen that I am fine with SCC. So sorry, don't go getting eyes bigger than your stomach and try to do too much.--CyberRead240 11:02, 18 October 2009 (BST)
I'm pretty sure Bob and DDR thought otherwise then you Read...--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 11:05, 18 October 2009 (BST)
And then this case would be completely useless, since you're just moving on with a different fan-group altogether. Sorry but while, SCC is not under the 2COOl namespace, it is all the J3D namespace, and since your certainly involved...--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 11:08, 18 October 2009 (BST)
It is fucking not under the Jed namespace are you fuckin retarded? I don't want to be in the 2 Cool fan club, but I like the idea of the SCC. 2 different cases. Wait til the other one goes up and offer to arby it, but it will not be a part of this case.--CyberRead240 11:11, 18 October 2009 (BST)
Even if we did think or care otherwise (as I imagine Bob would), you've completely nullified our opinions with your above ruling, so tough. All Jed has to do to get rid of the SC group from Thad's ruling is to argue against it, and then have Read support J3D's opinion in his own argument, and then there won't be any room to have Thad do anything that both parties feel is unacceptable. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 11:12, 18 October 2009 (BST)
wut? I had a big night plz explain--CyberRead240 11:14, 18 October 2009 (BST)

Extra Notation

Seems I took a wrong step with underestimating that SCC bit, I hearby re-allowing Bob and DDR to post here. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 11:13, 18 October 2009 (BST)

tbh you are making a right mess of this--CyberRead240 11:15, 18 October 2009 (BST)

I'll explain what you wanted me to in the above discussion, read: If you both don't want SCC to be involved in the arbies but Thad forces it onto you (which he shouldn't if you both disagree), just have Jed denounce it (as he would be expected to) in his argument and then when it's your turn to make your argument, just agree with him. The arbitrator will be in no position to make a conclusion to the case if it is blatantly against both parties. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 11:21, 18 October 2009 (BST)

Your right then I guess. Sorry for the mash-up everyone but I have had enough for now. One final ruling coming up, without the SCC per request.--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 11:23, 18 October 2009 (BST)
well yes, but the main point I am making is, he doesn't have the bounds to add something new to this case. He's in over his head, I don't feel he is acceptable or up to the standard of doing a job like this really. He didn't even know what namespace meant.--CyberRead240 11:24, 18 October 2009 (BST)
I think it was just a figure of speech. As condescending as this sounds, just keep in mind that Thad's first language isn't english, etc. And remember that you supported choosing him. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 11:32, 18 October 2009 (BST)
I did support giving him a go, but I see now that maybe Arbies isnt for him.--CyberRead240 11:33, 18 October 2009 (BST)

Final Ruling

I want to be done with this, and if you don't then it's not my problem anymore. Feel free to dispute the ruling, and go get someone else this arbitration, I don't really give a shit at this point.

J3D should remove Read from the 2Cool fan-page. Furthermore, J3D is free to make groups or pages as much as he likes. If he specifically mentions certain people, and saying their members of his groups (OR mentioning their name (including alias's) in any other way), then that's fine. However, if these people claim otherwise, then he is instructed to remove their names from the page per their request.--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 11:39, 18 October 2009 (BST)

I don't really get what all the claptrap is about except that all of this has been extremely disorganised. Good to see you managed to pull things together I guess? Ruling seems fine to me. Cyberbob  Talk  12:34, 18 October 2009 (BST)
Yeah wahtever. I thought this would be more lulzy but i'm over it...xoxo 13:06, 18 October 2009 (BST)
Yeah you basically followed clear logic that could have been sorted out in a day, but yeah I accept.--CyberRead240 13:31, 18 October 2009 (BST)
So do you really really not wanna be in the fanclub? But you have 2 Cool's poster on your wall....xoxo 13:36, 18 October 2009 (BST)
yeah except I vandalized it with glasses and Hitler moustaches. NOW YOU LOOK FUCKED--CyberRead240 05:55, 19 October 2009 (BST)
I'm taking you to a/vb for implying i am hitler and thus a jew killing german which is racist on an admin page.xoxo 09:28, 20 October 2009 (BST)
Le sigh. Austrian. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:35, 20 October 2009 (BST)
It's a state of germany idiot. Or maybe i knew that and was being racially ironic? xoxo 09:37, 20 October 2009 (BST)
I did German history from the wars of unification to present day and I never actually remember Austria being a state of Germany. Nice one. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 09:43, 20 October 2009 (BST)
In fact they went to incredible lengths to ensure that never happened. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 09:44, 20 October 2009 (BST)
Oh Shit! xoxo 09:46, 20 October 2009 (BST)
Austrian Hungarian Empire anyone? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:50, 20 October 2009 (BST)
What were they hungry for ostriches????? :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD xoxo 09:52, 20 October 2009 (BST)
They were russian for some turkey!!! loooooooooooool east europe jokes --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 09:56, 20 October 2009 (BST)
More racism from ddr, gosh its becoming stale. In other news Belarus means white russian,how fuckin lulzy caunt st curme is dat shizznat?xoxo 10:01, 20 October 2009 (BST)
To close, I accept the ruling. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:29, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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