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Koppie vs. Saromu
Does not understand the difference between a new post and a post aimed to discredit another group's post. Decided to create an edit war even after the post was turned into an unbiased post that still shows their side of the story. I recently led a team into Ridleybank (we're still there) and added information to that effect on the Ridleybank wiki page. Saromu/Sonny Corleone has deleted my posts twice, made threats, and used vulgarity. To wit:
"If you're going to shit up a page at least do it right. Survivor faggotry at it's best..." "Drama is against the rules and you're lucky you're not being put up for vandalism like a mod suggested"
This isn't vandalism, this is fact. As much as Saromu hates to admit it, the Cannonball Crew is operating in "his" suburb. The hard proof of that is that there are now 21 heavily barricaded buildings in Barrville. This fact has been discussed on the RRF's own forum. Barricaded buildings notwithstanding, Saromu believes that my claims are fake because of an unused forum on the AoG website, and because of a PM he received from Tony Blair (another member of the Cannonball Crew). Saromu misunderstood Blair's PM; when he said the Ridleybank invasion was a "diversion," he didn't mean that it didn't exist. My team really is in Ridleybank; there is also a much larger group in Barrville. My team was sent to Ridleybank to stir up a ruckus (which it has done) and distract the RRF away from Barrville (which it apparently has not done).
According to the The_Urban_Dead_Wiki:Style_Guide and the wikipedia NPOV policies, information on neutral pages should be fact-based. If there is more than one viewpoint, BOTH should be displayed. To quote from the NPOV: "The neutral point of view is a means of dealing with conflicting views. The policy requires that, where there are or have been conflicting views, these should be presented fairly, but not asserted. All significant points of view are presented, not just the most popular one. It should not be asserted that the most popular view or some sort of intermediate view among the different views is the correct one. Readers are left to form their own opinions."
If Saromu doesn't believe my crew is in Ridleybank, and he doesn't believe the barricades are going up, he can post something to the following effect: "The RRF refuses to accept the CC's claims. The RRF believes that there is no significant human presence in Ridleybank and that the barricades have not been going up." That way, both points of view are portrayed, instead of Saromu beligerently erasing all my posts.
Alternatively, I would like an arbitrator to verify the truth of my claims. Because my team is engaged in a sensitive mission I don't want to post troop strength & locations on this page. But I'd be willing to give this information to an appointed moderator, and trust him/her not to divulge my classified information.
I'm not familiar enough with the arbitrators to pick one, so I will leave it up to Saromu to suggest one. But since I'm not familiar with the arbitrators, I reserve the right to object at a later time, before the arbitrator is actually picked.
I apologize if this is not proper arbitration protocol, I'm new to this whole thing.
--Koppie 16:48, 19 June 2006 (BST)
- Any preference for arbitrator? -Banana Bear 18:35, 19 June 2006 (BST)
- This case can be thrown out since I have a PM from Tony Blair stating that the Cannonball Crew are only updating the Ridleybank page to distract the RRF while they are in Barhahville. Now this is not allowed on the wiki. Also Nubis, a mod, said that you should be brought up for vandalism for this. But because I don't feel like being an asshole I didn't. If you want I will bring you up for vandalism. If not, thank me for my kindness and stop spreading lies on the wiki to cause drama. Sonny Corleone WTF 18:41, 19 June 2006 (BST)
- Edit If indeed the Cannonball Crew are there then why is it that no one has ever seen you there? I get intelligence reports every day. Mostly newbies and RAT every other day. If CC are "indeed" there then keep it on your group's page. The only reason why you're posting it on the Ridleybank page is to get a reaction. We don't need this kind of things and putting it there is only causing trouble. Sonny Corleone WTF 18:52, 19 June 2006 (BST)
And Hagnat just made it NPOV. Does it make you happy? It makes me. Sonny Corleone WTF 19:08, 19 June 2006 (BST)
- Yeah. I just made a NPOV entry for that. I am inside ridleybank now and am not seeing a single barricade in there. Either do something, or this NPOV would be all you will have in the Ridleybank page. --hagnat mod 19:10, 19 June 2006 (BST)
Possible Arbitrators
I'll arbitrate, if you guys'll have me. Cyberbob Talk 18:38, 19 June 2006 (BST)
I would be willing to arbitrate. –Bob Hammero Mod•B'crat•T•A 18:39, 19 June 2006 (BST)
I am also willing to arbitrate; I currently have one un-aligned alt in the suburb and surrounding area and so could also verify claims by one party or another. --Karlsbad 19:00, 19 June 2006 (BST)
- I'll take Karlsbad since he can prove it. Also on a side note even if they are found in the area them adding their group to the side shouldn't count. Does the RRF put their name in every suburb they hit? No. Sonny Corleone WTF 19:06, 19 June 2006 (BST)
So the question is, does Koppie agree to Karlsbad as an arbitrator? --V2Blast T•P!•C•SR 21:13, 22 June 2006 (BST)
- I think it was settled outside of the wiki. I spoke to Tony Blair about it. Sonny Corleone WTF 21:17, 22 June 2006 (BST)
So is it settled between you and Koppie? If so, this can be archived. --V2Blast T•P!•C•SR 21:22, 22 June 2006 (BST)
- Leave it up for a couple more days. If nothing else is said then it's over. Sonny Corleone WTF 21:23, 22 June 2006 (BST)
I am also willing to have Karlsbad arbitrate. Karlsbad, I will send you "classified" information that helps prove the CC are in Ridleybank. I will have to trust that you will keep this information CONFIDENTIAL. Saromu, stop acting like you're in charge here. You didn't settle it "outside the wiki," and it's not your call to end the arbitration just because it took me a couple days to agree to an arbitrator.
Here is some additional evidence that I can make public:
- Here is the letter from Tony to Saromu, which Saromu claims is proof that the CC aren't in RB. As you can see it says the opposite. Tony gave me permission to reprint this letter.
"My sergeant major came to me with a plan for a decoy mission which I approved. He was in charge of putting the whole thing together, because it was only a secondary mission I was in charge of the CC's primary mission. The sergeant major is the third in-command, and he has led a lot campaigns in the past so this was completely his baby, because I was way to busy with the collation to have any part in it myslef. Also my 1st lieuteante has been away for awhile so the sergeant major is actually the acting secound in-command. The idea was to start a dummy invasion of Ridleybank after we took our positions in Barrville. It's a suicide squad they have no hope of winning and they don't even have back up. It was only a distraction to take the heat off of Barrville but he launched the squad too soon. I'm telling you this in confidence he worked hard on this mission, and it was only a stupid miss communication that caused this to happen. He stands no hope agasint the RRF and he knows it the mission was desinged that way. The RRF may just ignore him or they may take him on and crush him, but either way he deserves his shot. The man put together an entire campaign with no help."
- Here is some photographic evidence. For reference, Tony Blair and Xoom are both CC members. I can provide additional proof of this if it's needed.
- Finally, here is a thread in Saromu's own chatroom talking about a CC member was found in a building in Ridleybank. For reference, ISnipewithaKnife is a CC member. The thread has a link to his profile so you can verify this for yourself. Here's the thread.
Saromu, I'm not sure if your actions were based on an honest misunderstand of what Tony said, or if it was based on hostility. Either way, I think the evidence is clear that the CC mission in Ridleybank is small but very real. You don't own the Ridleybank wiki page; it is a neutral page for all interested parties. Your actions go against the NPOV policy, not to mention that your conduct has included inappropriate remarks and threats.
--Koppie 01:24, 23 June 2006 (BST)
Edit: I just realized I don't have a way to send confidential information to Karlsbad. Karlsbad, if the above evidence isn't enough for you, please email me and let me know how I can get the additional information to you. Thank you. --Koppie 01:38, 23 June 2006 (BST)
Misunderstanding. I read it that the CC were making it up of invading Ridleybank. My bad. I'mm willing to settle that they update news. However their group doesn't belong on the side. That's for groups that are going to stay in the suburb. The RRF doesn't put their group on every suburb they visit. It happened once and it was removed. When I was PARA I visited Penny Heights for 2 weeks. Did I put the group there? No. This isn't Darvall Heights where every group and their brother places their group on the page. Sonny Corleone WTF 01:59, 23 June 2006 (BST)
I'd be willing to agree to that, if the arbitrator approves. I'll also make sure to note that the CC presence in RB was not undisputed. I'd also like an apology but I don't expect to get one. I'll settle for Saromu respecting my right to post facts on the wiki. --Koppie 03:22, 23 June 2006 (BST)
- I apologize for removing the news. I thought that it was lies to distract us. Sorry for all that. And you do not need an arbitrator to drop a case. Sonny Corleone WTF 03:37, 23 June 2006 (BST)
- I figure its done, and I didn't have to do any heavy lifting. To quote the A-Team: "I love it when a plan comes together." --Karlsbad 20:54, 23 June 2006 (BST)
So can this be moved? --V2Blast T•P!•C•SR 19:13, 28 June 2006 (BST)
