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Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive vs. Umbrella

This case is presented because The Umbrella Corporation is angry that I, of all people, took the Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive commander's offer, and took leadership of the group. I am requesting that the page "Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service," Be the page for my group "Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive," as they only took that page because I took control. Any collaboration needed, just ask.Proof 1, Proof 2, Proof 3. Anymore proof needed, just feel free to ask. --/\Haliman/\ T | P! | W! 23:22, 30 September 2008 (BST)

This case looks fun. I'll arby it! :D -- Cheese 23:44, 30 September 2008 (BST)
So what now? I am new to this... --/\Haliman/\ T | P! | W! 23:59, 30 September 2008 (BST)
You need a representative from the other party to accept me (or another arbitrator) before it can start. -- Cheese 00:01, 1 October 2008 (BST)
Just tell em'? Seems easy enough.... Contacted. --/\Haliman/\ T | P! | W! 00:40, 1 October 2008 (BST)
Knowing Umbrella Corps, they won't appear at all... god I hate them, I volunteer for arbitrator...--/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 00:28, 2 October 2008 (BST)
Somewhat related to this case, what's the procedure if a representative from the other group doesn't show up/doesn't want to enter into arbitration?----Ash  |  T  |  яя  | 10:25, 2 October 2008 (BST)
Give me a few hours, expect a representative from Umbrella soon. We'll probably accept Cheeseman, as he can be objective. Right? Oh and Rakuen, telling you hate one party and then volunteering? Fail.--MisterGame 12:39, 2 October 2008 (BST)
I also accept Cheese. Sorry about not being around lately, no internet. --/\Haliman/\ T | P! | W! 20:53, 2 October 2008 (BST)
Oh and MisterGamer, don't be a fucking idiot.--/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 02:09, 4 October 2008 (BST)
Enough with the drama. Save it for after the case. --/\Haliman/\ T | P! | W! 17:08, 4 October 2008 (BST)
Oh right, cause most arbies aren't caused from excessive drama :rolleyes:--/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 20:35, 4 October 2008 (BST)
Lets go Umbrella! Where's your rep! I want this to be a quick case. --/\Haliman/\ T | P! | W! 23:28, 4 October 2008 (BST)
Jesus fuck christ Hali, yer sig takes up more than three lines alone, fix it for gods sake.--/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 17:26, 5 October 2008 (BST)
It took me forever to do it, but I fixed it even before you asked me to :P. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 17:39, 5 October 2008 (BST)
Scratch that. It always comes up as "SUBST:" then the sig in my preferences. Any ideas? --Hal-i-man-111 17:40, 5 October 2008 (BST)
We'll take this little bit into your talk page, shall we? Don't want to clutter the case with sig talk.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 22:05, 5 October 2008 (BST)
How'd it take you a long time? It took me a few minutes... Is it really that hard? noobs... *sigh*--/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 03:26, 7 October 2008 (BST)

I and Airheadoh have accepted the case and Krazy monkey/cheeseman as arbitrator, if he still wants.--MisterGame 12:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)

It's about time... I solved a 7 month problem while you were gone! Anyways, I also accept. --Haliman - Talk 21:52, 7 October 2008 (BST)
Gotcha. Lets rumble.

Cheese's opening comments

Right. Here's how this is going to work. First Haliman posts his opening statement under the header called Haliman's Opening Statement, then the Umbrella Reps can post his statement under Umbrella's Opening Statement. Do not post under the others header. You will get an opportunity to respond when I say so.

After the opening statements, I'll do a quick summing up and decide whether I require more information (which I will ask for where applicable). After than, we'll have a round of rebuttals where Haliman can respond to Umbrella's statements (if he wishes) and then for the Umbrella Reps to respond to Haliman's rebuttal (if a) Haliman made one and b) if either of them wishes to). I'll then take another lookie and see if I need to know anything else, maybe another round of rebuttals then I'll make my closing statement and go and have a snooze then decide on the ruling.

Haliman, you're up first. Please post your statement in the bit under this bit.

Haliman's Opening Statement

Haliman or me (Cheese) only beyond this point

Here goes. Mistergame and Airheadoh are mad that I took Air's offer of taking over the group "UBCS." The page was called "Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive, but the group is called Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service. Now, why should I have that page you ask? Airheadoh's in-game group right now is "Umbrella Corporation." Not "Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service."
http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=902115
My forum: http://z10.invisionfree.com/Umbrella_UBCS/index.php?act=idx -=- With the UBCS name.
The stats: http://urbandead.com/stats.html -=- With MY UBCS ranked. The link goes to their page.
They took advantage of a typo, and just want to hinder the progress of my group. There is not A SINGLE active old UBCS member. They are all here. If their page is truly a functioning group, why does it say "Acting Commander: None."
They can use the "Burning Star didn't authorize this switch..." Well he didn't authorize Ray taking command either. He didn't authorize Air taking over. We can go down a list of thing he didn't authorize. Point is, Umbrella hates ME. It's not about the UBCS. They just want to make my life a little more difficult. Not this time.
Point is, their UBCS has 0 members. Mine has 12. If anything else needs to be elaborated, please ask. --Haliman - Talk 22:34, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Few questions:

  1. Why did you take up Air's offer? Can you give me some more detail on it?
  2. What history do you have with Umbrella in order for this disagreement to have arisen?
  3. Can you explain the first two sentences of your final paragraph ("They can use..." to "...he didn't authorise") as that means pretty much nothing to me as it is. -- Cheese 22:41, 7 October 2008 (BST)
  1. It's no secret that I have always wanted a Resident Evil Themed group.
  2. I criticized leadership and I wanted a change. I got kicked out of the group. I am not going to hide this next fact: I wanted to oust leadership. I don't care who became leader, I just wanted it to be someone other than the current ones.
  3. Burning Star IV was the creator of UBCS. I said that up there in case they wanted to say "He didn't allow me to give you leadership." --Haliman - Talk 22:50, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Umbrella's Opening Statement

MisterGame, Airheadoh or me (Cheese) only beyond this point

MisterGame/Thadeous Oakley

As Airheadoh already said below, Haliman never got any permission for taking-over. He would never had got it, and damn straight that Haliman knew this, which is the prime reason he did not contact Airheadoh in the first place. Haliman is just provoking Umbrella, plain and simple. And as you might have heard, Umbrella Corp and Haliman have bad history. Haliman was kicked out of Umbrella after trying to betray and backstab its leaders. He did not like the way how Umbrella functioned and instead of leaving like most people would he tried to overthrow leadership. After his ban, haliman tried to take members away from Umbrella and he also grieved and cried allot about Umbrella at forums of other survivor groups. A detailed report about all of this (including psychological chats with haliman) can be found here:http://z15.invisionfree.com/Umbrella/index.php?showtopic=756 Its pretty long and pretty sad though its worth the read.

Its also questionable why haliman just did not continue his own, legit, survivor group complete with a forum after his ban at Umbrella: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Psyops_Inc.

Back to the UBCS page: we want it back as we never gave it away. The original content will be put back on and will remain there.

Airheadoh

First off, on Haliman's UBCS page, he states that he got my approval to take over the UBCS. This is untrue. He never contacted me about remaking the group, and thus, I never consented to it.

I only announced the disbanding of the group because I thought there were no more active players in it.Apparently I announced the disbandment of the UBCS prematurely. There are actually two members of the old UBCS left that became active again, coincidentally within a day or two from when I announced the disbanding.

CastorTroy583- http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=499181

AmonPL- http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=768542

As long as they still have Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service in their group tags, they are the last surviving members of the UBCS.

Haliman was banned from Umbrella because of traitorous acts he committed while under the guise of serving Umbrella. This case is not a personal vendetta against Haliman himself, however. Several months ago, the UBCS became a close ally with the Umbrella Corporation, even using a section of their forums as their own. The Umbrella Corporation has a vested interest in the future of the UBCS as they have been allies for a long time and would not like to see it fall into the hands of a known traitor and someone who does not have the best interests of the Corporation at heart.

If you have any questions, I would be glad to answer them. Otherwise, I pass the floor to MisterGame, and will wait for the time we are allowed to respond. ~Airheadoh

Couple of things I want to get clarified:

  1. Can you explain the origins of the Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive page? The earliest edit was yours (since the purge).
  2. What is the connection between Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive and Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service? -- Cheese 18:48, 9 October 2008 (BST)

If I understand the question correctly, I think I can answer both at the same time. I wasn't around when the UBCS was initially formed, I came in after. The only thing I could think of was that the "Servive" part was a typo that no one bothered to correct. So since UBCS's creation, the page has just been Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive. So, the Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive and the Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service are actually the same group, however somebody finally corrected the misspelling and created the Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service group page based of the existing one, and Haliman has taken control of the Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive that was left over.~Airheadoh

The UBCServiCe was created by me, the original UBCServiVe was owned by Airheadoh before Haliman took it over without permission and changed the content of it. Instead of starting an undo edit war with Haliman, I created the UBCServiCe and uploaded the original content of Airheadoh's UBCS there as a temporary solution. Sorry that I still havent posted my opening statement, I am a bit busy in reallife and such. I can hopefully put it up by tomorrow. --MisterGame 22:22, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Cheese's Middle Comment bit

Right. I've got all I need from the opening statements. You are now free to respond to each others statements (if you wish) in the sections below. After that, I'll review the situation and decide if we need another round or whether I can go straight to rule. -- Cheese 21:30, 13 October 2008 (BST)

UBCS's Rebuttal

Haliman only here

Lulz. Air, listen. Amon has BRAIN ROT, and Castortroy hasn't reported to you for orders in a very long time. He is even marked as MIA on your page. Also on your page, it still says "Acting Commander: None." Don't have the corporations best interests at heart? If I wanted to piss Umbrella off, I would have made the UBCS HQ in Shearbank. I didn't do that. I chose Havercroft. If anything, Umbrella is the one pressing for a war. They sent a spy, LSU's alt. They also sent Airheadoh to get a roster on who is working for us. Now, the old group didn't use a forum. We have no way of knowing if those two are just alts. I, on the other hand, have a forum. We have IPs linking to different people, and they are online at the same time. We are 13, they are 2.

He gave permission to ANYONE to take the group. I took the group "Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service." Proof 1, Proof 2, Proof 3.

And now for Thadeous. Let me start by saying that was a truly weak prosecution. I expected more from you! Ah, well. Psyops was a failed idea. Many of my ideas did fail. UBCS didn't. We are ranked on the stat page. Something the old UBCS couldn't acomplish.

Not much else I can say at the moment. --Haliman - Talk 22:47, 13 October 2008 (BST)

Unrightfully? It said ANYONE may take the group over. --Haliman - Talk 00:45, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Thadeous, someone needs to relax. Losing your cool? xD

Air, I apologize for the disrespect I showed about the stat page thing. Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is, who the organized UBCS is. We need the wiki page because we are a fully functioning group CURRENTLY. Castor is not the leader of UBCS. He cannot be considered a group by himself, and therefor, his tag is irrelevant. --Haliman - Talk 21:20, 14 October 2008 (BST)

And I am going to ask YOU once more. Why did LSU send a spy? OSUpwns is his alt. You say you don't care about us as a group, yet your are continually pressing for war. --Haliman - Talk 23:32, 14 October 2008 (BST)

I did what was necessary for Umbrella to have active leadership. Chairman Davis is far more active now. --Haliman - Talk 00:02, 15 October 2008 (BST)

And no, OSU is his alt. He made an edit on the group OSU owned, and created the page. Did the research, my friend. --Haliman - Talk 00:25, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Oh, sorry. I didn't see. Well, I want a RE themed group, and the UBCS had a large part, so I picked them. --Haliman - Talk 00:27, 15 October 2008 (BST)

I was expecting a lulz worthy comment by you, anger from Jackson, and nothing from Davis. xD

Ok, really now. I knew you guys would be pissed. But war? Thadeous, we are at the bottom of the stat page! Leave us be, and we will give you the same damn luxury! --Haliman - Talk 00:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)

All right. At least there wont be a war... Don't expect us to declare war either. --Haliman - Talk 00:43, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Did I approach you after I took over? No. You came over by me. You could have minded your own damn business, but, leave it to you to try to make things harder. --Haliman - Talk 22:05, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Umbrella's Rebuttal

Umbrella Reps only here

If Haliman wants a Resident evil themed group, well, he should have thought of that before backstabbing Umbrella or before even joining Umbrella in the first place. Besides, Resident Evil themed is something else then Umbrella themed. Create a Los Illuminados cult for I care.--MisterGame 22:39, 13 October 2008 (BST)

So when you, haliman111, unrightfully took the page over, how did you imagine that we, Umbrella, would react to that?--MisterGame 23:48, 13 October 2008 (BST)

Answer the fucking question please, how did you imagine beforehand how we would react to your takeover?--MisterGame 11:54, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Being an organized group does not give you the right to just claim pages that dont belong to you.

I am going to ask you for the last time: How did you imagine beforehand how we would react to your takeover?--MisterGame 23:12, 14 October 2008 (BST)

There is no OSU spy, haliman. Just because his name is so alike with LSU does not mean he is a spy. If someone called Russel Oakley (example, though I saw that name once ingame) or MisterGaming comes to your forums to apply, are you going to ban them aswell? And those are just two examples. The possibilities are endless. Stop being paranoid. And what has this do with the arbitration case?

My question, the one you have not answered for three times, does matter. Since you wont answered it. Arbitrator Cheeseman, could you please force haliman to answer my question? He does not want to do it on his own it seems.--MisterGame 00:00, 15 October 2008 (BST)

took the page over I meant the UBCS page. Read --MisterGame 00:18, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Alright, re-read my question that I asked three times. Try to understand what those letters mean. Let me make it even more clear for you: When you, haliman111, took the page over, how did you imagine that we, Umbrella, would react to that? (guess this makes four)

READ. I am not asking why you took it over. --MisterGame 00:31, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Your sitting on your computer whilst I type this, but I am off to bed (different timezone, remember) so this realtime discussion will have to end.

Expect a bigger reply tomorrow though I like to say this: What war? There is no "war" unless you see our anger and this arbitration case as an act of war.--MisterGame 00:41, 15 October 2008 (BST)

You admit that you knew we would be pissed, so you basically knew that we/Airheadoh were NOT in agreement with your takeover. You knew this in advance yet you still took the page over. Odd reasoning.--Thadeous Oakley 21:45, 15 October 2008 (BST)

First of all, It doesn't matter if Amon has Brain Rot or not. A lot of pro-survivor players have brain rot. All we have to do it get him inside a powered NT to revive him, not that big of a deal.

Most of your evidence is moot. The fact that I have Umbrella in my group tag and that the Acting Commander is still "none" is because that is what it was changed to after I relieved myself of command. The reason the two members of UBCS are left as MIA on the page was because I haven't fixed it. You took the page right after and now we've been in arbitration. You have no idea whether or not who has reported in to me. The wiki is not the only place I can talk to my men. So don't pretend you know what is going on with my group and try and use that as evidence. In your opening statements, you claim that Ray Hanley and I were never given permission to take over the UBCS. That is flat out wrong. Ray Hanley was told by Burning Star IV that he would be taking over the UBCS after he was gone. Then, after Ray's prolonged absence, I elected myself as the new leader. Get your facts right before you try and shove them at us. Oh and just to further rip holes in your story made out of see-thru mesh, Burning Star was not the creator of the UBCS, Dark X was the original leader.

I was never sent to your forum to spy on you or see who was working for you. I went of my own accord to just to check things out for my own interest. And if you are referring to "those two " and trying to claim they are alts of someone else, I can assure you they are their own players. And you can check their IP addresses to prove that.

And you dare degrade the UBCS by saying we couldn't accomplish being on the stats page. That means absolutely nothing when trying to prove you are a legit group, as seen with the short lived massive zombie group "The Dead" who went from 1500 members to less than 200. Our goal during UBCS's reign was not to be a huge group and make that stats page. Our purpose was to be a small tight-knit group. A strike force, like the Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service should be. So stop claiming your "amazing" numbers here, no one's interested. ~Airheadoh 02:42, 14 October 2008 (EST)

Cheese's Next Bit

Right. I've got everything I need. I'll go find me some food and think about my ruling. I should have it up within the next hour or so. -- Cheese 20:45, 15 October 2008 (BST)

No. I was to make one final point. So please, I'll type it now--Thadeous Oakley 21:36, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Ruling

Before I start, I'd like to make it clear that I have no power over anything that occurs in-game. My mandate as arbitrator covers only wiki issues and as a result, I will only be dealing with the dispute over the Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive and Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service pages.

Ok. Now that's cleared up, I'll continue.

  • First of all, in order to prevent any arguments, both parties are forbidden from contacting the other on the wiki in any form for a period of 8 weeks from today. This is binding and if broken may result in vandal escalations.
  • Second, after reading all relevant material I have been provided with, I find that Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Servive/Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service are the property of MisterGame and Airheadoh. Haliman did not have permission from the group leadership to take over and just assumed command without any contact taking place. Given his history with Umbrella this was rather stupid.
  • Thirdly, since I have no control over in-game events I cannot force Haliman to dissolve his new incarnation of UBCS. Because of this, he is free to continue to run the group as he wishes. Wiki page wise he is free to create a new page called Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service (new) (or similar) and place a disclaimer on it to say it bears no connection to the original whatsoever and a similar link on the original pointing to the new one. Any edits to the original pages by Haliman past this, may be treated as vandalism.

I believe this is a fair ruling and any comments should be directed to either the talk page of this case or to my own talk page.

Thank you and Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening/Night. -- Cheese 22:23, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Okay then!--Thadeous Oakley 22:27, 15 October 2008 (BST)

I respect your decision, and the 8 weeks is just an added bonus. --Haliman - Talk 22:30, 15 October 2008 (BST)

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