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Xoid, Cyberbob vs Hagnat
This case is an actual edit war. (Meaning this page is being used for its intended purpose for once. Go figure.)
It revolves around the {{MallDangerLevels}} template (used on the Mall Information Center page) and the ":-D Caiger Mall" status. According to what Hagnat has written on the talk page (see this section in particular).
Gage, Cyberbob and I avow to the fact that this status is uninformative and unhelpful. It is, in fact, counter-intuitive to use it the way Hagnat wishes to; as a 'status symbol'. On the other hand, Hagnat insists on this status, reverting the page time and time again; despite the fact that he is the sole voice for 'his side'.
The ":-D Caiger Mall" is completely uninformative, and counter-intuitive. (It is, dare I say it, about as useful as plastering a mall with a "X-D TESTICLES!" status.) I also know many survivors who would rather 'their mall' not be associated with Caiger in any way (and some cases, I'm sure the opposite applies just as strongly. vice-versa).
I'm seeking that hagnat either bow to reason, which he has so far refused to , or that he is forced to via arbitration.
I'm potentially willing to accept any arbitrator, but I specifically disavow Cyberbob or Gage from acting as arbitrators. I reserve the right to say no to other arbitrators, of course. –Xoid M•T•FU! 13:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- does 'fun' have no more place in this wiki anymore ? The 'caigar mall' status is there for harmanz to have something to add to its own mall status after they survived a siege. Caiger stood as THE harman bastion, for almost a year it never fell. While some malls might not like to be associated with it, there might still be others who would like to claim some bit of the 'we are invincible!!1!eleven' status caiger used to had. And, like i said to gage during a irc convo, if people didnt like it, its not going to be used... but if one person liked it, it will be there for it to be used. Its not like its causing any harm by staying there, you know. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 14:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- Arbs i would accept... hum... all of them, minus gage and cyberbob... --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 14:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- Does "being a reliable information source" have no place in the wiki? I thought that was the entire purpose of the wiki was to be informative. Especially on "information" pages; like this one. Do we suddenly start classifying suburbs as ":-D Ridleybank" when they become a hellhole for a certain period of time? No. Humour can be found, in abundance, elsewhere on the wiki. –Xoid M•T•FU! 15:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- According to what i had in mind about this status, it IS a reliable information. It would show that the mall was under siege, its not anymore, and that harmanz won. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 15:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- "Caiger Mall" does not immediately signify that, not in the slightest. We will get unnecessary errors galore from this, when a simple "Humans Won" would've been adequate. You have also made indication that it would be an unspoken rule; compounding the problem further. Further more, you have not managed to counter my other points; you cannot, they are facts. –Xoid M•T•FU! 15:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- According to what i had in mind about this status, it IS a reliable information. It would show that the mall was under siege, its not anymore, and that harmanz won. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 15:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
And i would like do drag Cybebob into this case too, since he clearly has interest in keeping this page whitout the caiger mall status. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 15:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- Frankly, it doesn't matter. The arbitrator can simply make the ruling a 'final' one, that can only be overturned through a majority vote (announced via {{comannounce}}). That way we won't need cases for each individual person who wishes to make themselves a pain-in-the-arse. –Xoid M•T•FU! 15:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- That would be a fine way to solve this... voting... no need to add this on the commannouce, we have the community portal now... --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 15:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- Come to think of it, no. I'll continue this case, because — "Its not like its causing any harm by staying there, you know." — is patently incorrect. Confusion, wasted time, pissed off newbies and needless revert wars that will ensue from the mere fact that the status is there is a good enough reason to ensure this inanity is nipped in the bud now. –Xoid M•T•FU! 15:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- Ow well, lets just wait until someone shows up and volunteer to arbitrate this then. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 15:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- Come to think of it, no. I'll continue this case, because — "Its not like its causing any harm by staying there, you know." — is patently incorrect. Confusion, wasted time, pissed off newbies and needless revert wars that will ensue from the mere fact that the status is there is a good enough reason to ensure this inanity is nipped in the bud now. –Xoid M•T•FU! 15:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- That would be a fine way to solve this... voting... no need to add this on the commannouce, we have the community portal now... --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 15:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Seeking default judgement since Hagnat cannot even be bothered to present a case. –Xoid M•T•FU! 10:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- hurrr. just give me a few days while i solve some RL issues, ok ? --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 18:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- I can wait.--Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 18:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- You said "at work, will write something later". How I am supposed to know that something came up in your personal life? You could've had the courtesy to give us an update. You did, after all, have a spare minute or two to do the same with other endeavours. –Xoid M•T•FU! 03:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- just look at how many contributions i made in the past days, just after this arbitration case started, and you'll see that i am not editing the wiki that much as i wished.... even the great mall project is on pause.--People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 12:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- *Sigh* I just removed the 'caigar mall' danger level from the template. I am not going to work on the mall information system anymore, so if the community feels that we should take that level away, i'll not fight for it anymore. That's all. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 03:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- just look at how many contributions i made in the past days, just after this arbitration case started, and you'll see that i am not editing the wiki that much as i wished.... even the great mall project is on pause.--People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 12:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Arbirationt
I'll steal the Hammero mode too. --Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 15:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Xoid's case
Wriet ur case heer. --Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 15:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Most of what I've said above applies directly here:
- It is uninformative — you cannot ascertain at a glance what it means without first knowing that 'unspoken rule'.
- It's confusing, and counter-intuitive — no one is going to understand when it should be applied or not.
- It will lead to newbies making the entirely understandable mistake of removing it from everything but Caiger Mall. (Thus defeating the purpose of the status in the first place.)
- That in turn will lead to friction between regulars of that page and people who are rushing to update the statuses because of a recent siege that was successful/went awry/involved Al Gore/whatever.
- Some people will object to the ":-D Caiger Mall" status being applied to their mall, because "it's Caiger". ("We aren't Caiger! I don't want my mall even mentioned in the same sentence!")
- Other people will object to their mall being equivalent to Caiger (e.g., "But it hasn't stood up long enough!")
- Yet more people will try and place it their malls because of the 'status symbol' aspect of it; despite it not really applying. (This is compounded by Hagnat's 'unspoken rule' methodology.)
- It's also counter-intuitive because Caiger fell. While a bastion of humanity's strength, it's not impregnable. I cannot stress enough how much of a problem this will prove to be in the short term. If Caiger is ever retaken by zombies, it will only exacerbate the problem to the point where people will start calling for it to be changed to ":-D Giddings Mall", or some such.
The purpose of the wiki is to be informative first and foremost, but we will not be sacrificing the 'fun factor' by making it easier to understand and update. Indeed, ease of use should make it more bearable for everyone. In closing, there is absolutely no reason for this status to exist in it's present form, beyond a misplaced nostalgia on Hagnat's part. –Xoid M•T•FU! 16:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hagnat's case
@work. Will write something here later. Bye. :* --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 16:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
*Sigh* I just removed the 'caigar mall' danger level from the template. I am not going to work on the mall information system anymore, so if the community feels that we should take that level away, i'll not fight for it anymore. That's all. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 03:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Xoid's team rebuttal
If Hagnat decides to write a case, write your rebuttal here.--Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 16:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hagnat's rebuttal
Guess what goes here.--Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 16:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
