UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct/Archive/Yonnua Koponen/2010
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4th October
This. Abuse of checkuser to find out the and compare the IPs of accounts that haven't been used to do anything even remotely VB-worthy, along with revealing the connection to the wiki public.
It might have been relatively harmless this time, as the connection between Darma and Lois isn't secret (Darma's UDID is in Lois' RG forums sig). But there are plenty of users who run separate RPing accounts from their main ones, and don't wish at all for anyone else to know the connection (such as survivor players who run PKers and need a wiki page for them). For that abstract danger alone, steps should be taken against that use of checkuser. -- Spiderzed▋ 23:39, 4 October 2010 (BST)
- It's impersonation to pretend that one user is two people. Always has been. Go away and stop fuelling pointlessness at the whim of Mis. This is in no way abuse of checkuser so this isn't misconduct.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:42, 4 October 2010 (BST)
- It's not impersonation to pretend to be two people, so that's wrong. And this has nothing to do with me, I already said my peice about this on A/VB since I felt that future instances of this should be brought here. I was hesitant to bring this one since ignorance could be argued as to what was going on. I'm going to grab a shower and think about this, but it I do want to stress that two accounts is not impersonation.
23:50, 4 October 2010 (BST)
- I don't think Yon knows what 'impersonation' is. If I had given myself a lobotomy and then created an account by the name of 'Yonnua Koponen is a faggot', then I'd be guilty of impersonating Yon. If I however create another identity that has nothing to do with another person that's not impersonation. That's hiding my identity for various reasons. And if I'm not using my various identities for illegitimate purposes (sheep votes and the like) than it's no one's business why I created them. But then again she did use her Darma account to point out that Yon was cheating, so being that he's connvinced he's important he has a right to snoop around in her history and show everyone "HEY GUYS THIS IS LOIS TOO!" Yeah, and then Yon wonders why people can't stand him and accuse him of cheating, misconduct, and other shit. But it doesn't matter. They're just meat puppets anyway right? - Goribus 00:05, 5 October 2010 (BST)
- You're really making a fool out of yourself by spewing profanity around needlessly. But don't you stop yet, call me a faggot as well cuz I'm sure that's the only remark you can come up with. --
Thadeous Oakley 00:12, 5 October 2010 (BST)
- News flash: I don't give a shit what a bunch of people on the wiki think about me. What I care about is some butthurt Sysop abusing his power to 'expose' the identities of users who aren't using their multiple wiki accounts to cheat. I won't bring up the other shit that he's done that's shady because it's irrelevant. Also, I won't call you a faggot because you're not one. You're a sycophant. - Goribus 00:19, 5 October 2010 (BST)
- You calling me a sycophant. Oh, the irony here. --Thadeous Oakley 00:28, 5 October 2010 (BST)
- How does I misused word? So who exactly am I sucking up to by pointing out that you're a kissass and Yon's a power abusing faggot? - Goribus 00:32, 5 October 2010 (BST)
- You calling me a sycophant. Oh, the irony here. --
- News flash: I don't give a shit what a bunch of people on the wiki think about me. What I care about is some butthurt Sysop abusing his power to 'expose' the identities of users who aren't using their multiple wiki accounts to cheat. I won't bring up the other shit that he's done that's shady because it's irrelevant. Also, I won't call you a faggot because you're not one. You're a sycophant. - Goribus 00:19, 5 October 2010 (BST)
- You're really making a fool out of yourself by spewing profanity around needlessly. But don't you stop yet, call me a faggot as well cuz I'm sure that's the only remark you can come up with. --
- I don't think Yon knows what 'impersonation' is. If I had given myself a lobotomy and then created an account by the name of 'Yonnua Koponen is a faggot', then I'd be guilty of impersonating Yon. If I however create another identity that has nothing to do with another person that's not impersonation. That's hiding my identity for various reasons. And if I'm not using my various identities for illegitimate purposes (sheep votes and the like) than it's no one's business why I created them. But then again she did use her Darma account to point out that Yon was cheating, so being that he's connvinced he's important he has a right to snoop around in her history and show everyone "HEY GUYS THIS IS LOIS TOO!" Yeah, and then Yon wonders why people can't stand him and accuse him of cheating, misconduct, and other shit. But it doesn't matter. They're just meat puppets anyway right? - Goribus 00:05, 5 October 2010 (BST)
- It's not impersonation to pretend to be two people, so that's wrong. And this has nothing to do with me, I already said my peice about this on A/VB since I felt that future instances of this should be brought here. I was hesitant to bring this one since ignorance could be argued as to what was going on. I'm going to grab a shower and think about this, but it I do want to stress that two accounts is not impersonation.
Meh. This is at best slap on the wrist stuff (AKA softwarning). I think Mis already told him not to do it again, so why bother with this. --
Thadeous Oakley 23:45, 4 October 2010 (BST)
- Because some wiki accounts are made by players wanting secrecy and that's the point. What if that had been a member of the ZHU and one of their secret alts? If that were the case and Yon had done what he did they'd get to be griefed because he's a twat. It's not that he abused his powers, it's that he abused his powers and then told the wiki community about it. See it's okay when you abuse your power as long as you're not caught or you're not stupid enough to tell everyone about it. But he violated that player's rights to secrecy. - Goribus 00:05, 5 October 2010 (BST)
- You just wasted a lot of time trying to convince me - I'm already convinced. It's true, he (Yon) should not have done it, it's wrong. But I don't think this case was needed, as Mis already explained and so did Aichon. --Thadeous Oakley 00:09, 5 October 2010 (BST)
- You just wasted a lot of time trying to convince me - I'm already convinced. It's true, he (Yon) should not have done it, it's wrong. But I don't think this case was needed, as Mis already explained and so did Aichon. --
I really can't be bothered to dig too deep into this shit but.... in the past ANY abuse of check user has been deemed gross misconduct. Now I can't say I agree with that stance (esp in this case) but a slap on the wrist seems a little lenient! --Honestmistake 00:47, 5 October 2010 (BST)
Misconduct - I'm still figuring out if I think it's soft warning or warning, but as with Mis and what others have said, I think we would have been better off if this hadn't been brought here. Anyway, checking Lois' IP is fine in my book, since we do check for sockpuppeting, especially on major votes such as 'crat elections, and especially with users who don't have as large a wiki presence. What wasn't fine was divulging the information without vandalism or some other bad faith action having occurred. It looks like Yonn was unclear on what constitutes impersonation, just as other sysops, myself included, have been unclear on other rules and had it bite them in the butt. It's a simple matter to prevent it from happening again, and I don't think it was intended as a malicious act, but it's definitely something that should not be done. —Aichon— 00:42, 5 October 2010 (BST)
Misconduct - The IP problems with the ops has been a frustrating one for me because on one hand, sysops used it (albeit among other things) to throw J3D out on his arse, but SA was probably the biggest abuser of checkuser I ever saw (he would often IP people his disliked like Iscariot to find out more about where he lived) and no one seemed to make a fuss. This is definitely misconduct, same to how distasteful I think his use of Checkuser to find out who Maps was, but at least he never told anybody publicly. Users with legal alt accounts on the wiki entrust us to, if we find out, not divulge information like that, especially if it is for diplomacy or roleplaying reasons IMO. I don't think Yon did it with any intent but I think he should still be warned for this. -- LEMON #1 02:24, 5 October 2010 (BST)
After reading this through, particularly DDR's comment, I'm willing to take this as Misconduct as a general checkuser abuse thing, considering my use of it for Maps as well. Uninvolved sysops, make your ruling. :P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:15, 5 October 2010 (BST)
Well, not much input from the other ops so if nothing important is said by tomorrow I'll archive and warn. -- LEMON #1 08:31, 7 October 2010 (BST)
Retarded Misconduct If yonn had brought a vb case stating he suspected a user of using alt characters to stack an argument against him, we'd have checked. I'm still going to checkuser dubious looking new accounts whenever the whim takes me. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:26, 7 October 2010 (BST)
- It's not the checking that's the problem, checking these things is prudent. Revealing them for no reason, however, is the crux of the issue, especially when your example isn't what happened - if it had, that would also be a justified use of looking. 17:39, 7 October 2010 (BST)
Closed as Misconduct, warning given. -- LEMON #1 00:25, 9 October 2010 (BST)
23rd May
13:05, May 22, 2010 Yonnua Koponen (Talk | contribs) blocked "WOOT (contribs)" with an expiry time of 1 month (Spamming A/PM)
Why? Has he broken a rule? I see no rule saying that putting yourself up for promotion is not allowed. In fact, that would set a dangerous precedent. Unless the sysops like you you cannot run for sysop. Vandalism is defined as an edit in bad faith. This includes wiping of a page, impersonation, and blatantly lying. Running as a sysop to remove wiki corruption is not bad faith, in fact this is perhaps an example of true good faith. The sysops called this SPAM because he did not meet the guidelines. Well I'm sorry to say this but the Guidelines do not mention a penalty or even any requirements.
Users who wish to request System Operator status (and users who wish to nominate other users for System Operator status) should note that before they can be considered the following guidelines should be met by the candidate
The guidelines SHOULD be met, not must. If something should be met it means it is encouraged but not enforced. When something must be met it means a definitive situation where there are consequences.
If a user is highly exemplary in one criterion, a certain level of give may be extended to other criteria.
The guidelines also say this. If Woot is highly exemplary in one criterion then he will get leeway in other criteria. Desire to become a System Operator. - We define this simply as indicating in the candidate's request their desire for the position Clearly Woot desires to be a sysop, meaning he had leeway in the rest of the NOT REQUIRED criteria.
On the rest of the page there is not a single mention that sysops can terminate the nomination. It even says that it is not a vote but a request for comments from the community.
Yonnua Koponen had banned Woot not for breaking any rules, which I have clearly pointed out that none were broken, but because of his dislike for Woot. --Sonny Corleone DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n 21:24, 23 May 2010 (BST)
- Not Misconduct. UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2009_06#User:WOOT sound familiar? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:48, 23 May 2010 (BST)
- Also this. Not Misconduct. 21:51, 23 May 2010 (BST)
- WOOT's edits were ruled as Vandalism, as such, they were removed as vandal edits, which you conveniently didn't consider as an option for why sysops can remove bids. Yonnua banned WOOT as per the terms of the escalation he received after having his actions ruled as Vandalism. Simply put, you didn't like the result of the case, so now you're spamming admin pages so that you can whine about sysops doing their job. Not Misconduct. —Aichon— 21:51, 23 May 2010 (BST)
- I'm sorry, when was it decided that I don't like Woot?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:06, 23 May 2010 (BST)
Not misconduct - applying a ban decided unanimously by the sysop team. If W00t didn't have a long history of creating obviously humourous promotion bids, and then spamming them with idiotic replies, you may have a reason to bring this case. As it is... meh -- boxy talk • teh rulz 22:50 23 May 2010 (BST)
- So even if he was unfairly banned its ok because everyone agreed on it? I love mob mentality. --Sonny Corleone DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n 03:12, 24 May 2010 (BST)
Not Misconduct - As the Box. -- Cheese 22:53, 23 May 2010 (BST)
Fail. --
00:58, 24 May 2010 (BST)
Is someone going to wrap up this case. Obviously I can't, but it's 4-0 NM, so can someone just deal with it already?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:54, 27 May 2010 (BST)
- Ask DDR..., oh wait... --Thadeous Oakley 22:05, 27 May 2010 (BST)
