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This policy simply eliminates Criteria 12 from the Speedy Deletions system.

Gone. Eliminated. Erased. No more.



It's a stupid criteria anyway.

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  1. --Jorm 23:26, 30 August 2007 (BST)
  2. Sir Fred of Etruria 00:31, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  3. - Vantar 00:42, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  4. - --'BPTmz 01:02, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  5. farewell criterion 12. You will not be missed. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 01:03, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  6. 1 month is not nearly enough. --Mobbo RRF/AU10
  7. So long and good riddance --The Grimch Sysop-U! 01:23, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  8. So long and thanks for all the fish. - If Jedaz = 02:02, 31 August 2007 (BST) then pi = 2 + 1
  9. --Karekmaps?! 02:27, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  10. --ShadowScope 02:52, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  11. --Pyromonkey 03:13, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  12. --Zod Rhombus 03:25, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  13. Isn't Criteria 12 the one that shoplifted once? I always knew it was up to no good. Damn you Criteria 12! Damn you! --LordOlam 03:52, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  14. Been against it from the beginning, still against it now, end the group genocide. --Rogue 22:04, 1 September 2007 (BST)
  15. --bout dang time----Sexualharrison ה QSGTStarofdavid2.png Boobs.gif 05:07, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  16. Hell yes. I understand how frustrating it is for the usual deletion crew. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 06:15, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  17. --~~~~T''' 06:55, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  18. Having to check whether groups were truly inactive was a pet hate of mine. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 07:39, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  19. --Beauxdeigh 07:49, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  20. ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 08:44, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  21. Toejam A 11:30, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  22. Another vote to the pile. Red Tape! --Karloth Vois RR 18:34, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  23. I never liked it... --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 19:54, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  24. --Insomniac By Choice 22:09, 1 September 2007 (BST)
  25. --Marluxia 01:13, 2 September 2007 (BST)
  26. -- I'm informed enough now... --WanYao 02:33, 2 September 2007 (BST)
  27. -  Vista  +1  01:01, 3 September 2007 (BST)
  28. For - 'Cause it's going to be lulzerrific to watch newbs trying to join and/or talk to groups that have been disbanded for decades. -- Atticus Rex mfu pif Δ 05:05, 3 September 2007 (BST)
  29. Not every group page needs to be updated every month. This rule has bothered since I became aware of it. --Turner Calton 14:48, 3 September 2007 (BST)
  30. -- Ryiis 20:29, 3 September 2007 (BST)
  31. Well...^they all said it^. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 21:15, 3 September 2007 (BST)
  32. -- Pavluk 23:38, 3 September 2007 (BST)
  33. --Sffh 02:18, 4 September 2007 (BST)
  34. For - Some of us just do not have the time to make updates constantly. That does not mean we want all of the previous work to be destroyed. As for new users littering the place with pages and then disappearing - hazard of the format. It does not affect the casual user I have found. --Bette Noir 04:12, 4 September 2007 (BST)
  35. They stole my answers. --Goolina Gore Corps 15:29, 4 September 2007 (BST)
  36. I don't know what that is, anyway. I'm just voting here to be popular.Jordan Salafack 13:12, 5 September 2007 (BST)
  37. Because it's hillarious to see people trying to get in touch with disbanded, inactive groups.--Wooty 03:20, 12 September 2007 (BST)


  1. --Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 02:36, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  2. -- For the lulz. Nalikill 03:57, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  3. -- Cruft is not cool --Pgunn 05:43, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  4. So the idea is to harass the sysops each time a group is up for criterion 12, then attempt to force a policy through, otherwise you will continue to do it if you don't get your way? How is this not vandalism? --Amanu Jaku 07:00, 31 August 2007 (BST)
    Well, it's Jorm's trademark. Remember the BoB? --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 07:31, 31 August 2007 (BST)
    Dude, this has nothing to do with that. I am and have been an inclusionist from day 0; I'm certain there are archived arguments between me and Xoid about this. My position on keeping rather than deleting is totally politically neutral and has never changed. So please don't make this about politics; it really, truly, has nothing to do with them.--Jorm 07:33, 31 August 2007 (BST)
    It's ok, I was just making a joke. Did you note that I'm not voting? that's because while I don't agree with the change as it is, I consider it petty to oppose it just because of minnor issues. That, and that it's preferable to keep more than needed than delete unwarrantedly. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 08:55, 31 August 2007 (BST)
    hmmmmmn... twasn't a funny, joke, dude... i'm abstaining from this one, anyway, as well, lack of knowledge/background to make an informed decision... Cheers. --WanYao 17:33, 31 August 2007 (BST)
  5. -- The length should be changed from a month to three.--Roger Thirnell 00:07, 1 September 2007 (BST)
  6. --this is a 'criterion.' 'Criteria' are plural. If it were a vote to eliminate two or more criteria I would vote yes in a heartbeat. However, in keeping with the pedantic nature of this wiki I must vote no because it is unclear. --otherlleft W! 20:29, 1 September 2007 (BST)
  7. I actually hate it when noobs make groups that disappear in two days. --Sonny Corleone RRF DORIS CRF pr0n 05:07, 3 September 2007 (BST)
  8. First off, because Jorm caused A/D to be spammed with crit 12's for ages before bringing this here... that and the wording here smacks of blackmail. Secondly, because this policy will continue that spamming of A/D. There are huge amounts of "go nowhere" groups created each week on this wiki. The pages are half-made and then abandoned when no-one else wants to join. Here's only one example from the batch that was forced onto A/D. If you don't like crit 12 as it is, modify it so that it only deals with these types of group pages that have never been updated after their creation The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talkcontribs) at 13:38 4 September 2007 (BST)
  9. --ZombieSlay3rSig.pngT 17:08, 6 September 2007 (BST)
  10. --Max Grivas JG / M.F.T. 02:23, 11 September 2007 (BST)
  11. I created Crit 12, and I personally believe that it is the right choice. Groups that only exist for 2 weeks in the minds of the creator do not belong on this wiki. --Darth Sensitive Talk W! 04:38, 15 September 2007 (BST)

Approved With 37 votes for and 11 against.

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