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Template:Suggestion Submitting

Why isnt this page already protected ? Some fool just moved it to 4.20 and the entire Suggestions page was left whitout how to add suggestions. Pages important like this should be protected, and changes to it be only possible by moderation after discussion in their talk page. --hagnat 02:19, 3 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Doing it right now...--'STER-Talk-Mod 02:41, 3 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Template:Groupbox

People have been screwing with Template:Groupbox ever since it was first written. While a few good changes have been made, most changes made to this template have been detrimental. Instead of reading the discussion page for directions on how to use the template, a lot of people try to edit the template itself by filling the template with their information, thus disrupting every group page that uses the template. I call for this page to be protected, and if somebody wants to make a worthwhile change to it, a mod could change the code. --ShaqFu 00:06, 1 Feb 2006 (GMT)

I'm going to do this, as it is such a constant problem. If anybody has any issues with this we can always change it back. This is a pretty static page, so I don't think its contrary to the spirit of the wiki. --Zaruthustra-Mod 01:28, 10 Feb 2006 (GMT)

I'd actually much prefer the pain of new users playing around with the Template than a blanket protection on any Template that is actually used. We can inform new users about the correct way of doing things, and I really hate the idea of leaving page alterations to Moderators, since that's not our job and never was. Reversion is an easy and lazy out, we should be helping users understand how to use templates, or else they'll never learn. If that means a few public mistakes, so be it, since anyone can fix such mistakes (and, I think, everyone should be fixing such mistakes). -- Odd Starter talk | Mod 03:11, 10 Feb 2006 (GMT)
Um... why? Its not as though anyone has any good reason to change the template, and it has been vandalised repeately, fucking up well over 600 pages each time. If there does come a time when the template needs to be changed (Which is doubtful) it would take a moderator a few minutes to do so. Its just part of the burden of being a mod. --Grim s 13:38, 11 Feb 2006 (GMT)
Dude, look over UDWiki:Moderation/Guidelines. On no part of that page does it state that it is my duty to edit pages. It's not my job, never was, and I certainly don't want the job. My duties as a Moderator should be reduced, not expanded. This is a wiki, and it's the job of all it's users to participate in it's running and maintenance. That's the point. My job, as a sysop, is to perform the tasks that we unfortunately can't let regular users perform, for whatever reason. My job stops right there. Everything else is the duty of each and every user. We are not Moderators in the forum sense - Katthew was de-sysopped because she believed that was the case. We are not, really, in a position of power, merely a position of utility.
But put bluntly, editing can be done by everyone, so it should be done by everyone. If we decide that certain pages should only be edited by sysop, we're kind of defeating the point of a wiki. I didn't become a sysop because I wanted the power, I did it so I could serve the community. Big difference. -- Odd Starter talk | Mod | W! 22:48, 13 Feb 2006 (GMT)
I just re-read your guidelines, and this is what I found:
  • Moderators may only protect pages that users have requested be protected on Moderation/Protections. Before a page is protected, it is expected that the Moderator will ensure that there is good reason for it's protection - these include protracted edit wars, and constant vandalism by multiple users on a high-visibility page.
  • As a subset of their Protection abilities, Moderators also have the ability to edit protected pages. Moderators may not exercise this ability. A singular exception is where a page has been protected due to constant vandalism, and changes are necessary to the page, and said changes have been approved by the community, then and only then shall a Moderator edit a protected page. Requests for a Moderator to edit a Protected page should be made on the specific page's Talk page.
So, according to your guidelines, it is your duty to protect pages that are constantly vandalized, and then edit those pages if it is requested by the community. --ShaqFu 14:46, 16 Feb 2006 (GMT)
Of course, Vandalism doesn't include innocent mistakes. Vandalism is not "changing the page", it's "changing the page with malicious intent". There's no such thing as "accidental vandalism". If a bunch of people were deliberately targetting the page for deliberate breaking of the template, then I'd consider it, but if it's just newbies feeling their way around the wiki, I don't see why we should bother. Mistakes are part of the learning process, and on a wiki, easily fixed. -- Odd Starter talk | Mod | W! 08:27, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
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