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Election Space

The next election will be on the 15th August or something. Someone check that. I won't be running, so everyone else do super sysopy thing in order to win at any cost. Thanks. --Rosslessness 16:29, 3 June 2011 (BST)

You should run, you need the exercise.--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 17:38, 3 June 2011 (BST)
Someone should sort this tomorrow. Just to confirm I won't be running. I only hope I've been the best female crat you've ever had. --"Workshed" 20:45, 14 August 2011 (BST)
You should probably tell everyone now that you gave your account to DCC ages ago.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:46, 14 August 2011 (BST)
You're female?!--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 20:47, 14 August 2011 (BST)
wow and were not waving our e-penises at you and hounding you off the wiki... must just be for kath than.-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!  אמת21:11, 14 August 2011 (bst)
Samus is a girl! -- Spiderzed 22:21, 15 August 2011 (BST)

Election started: 00:00 15 August 2011 (BST)
Voting ends: 00:00, 29 August 2011 (BST)

Eligible Candidates


  1. Always bet on Box. ~Vsig.png 00:25, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
  2. I still demand Boxy is placed back into power. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:43, 15 August 2011 (BST)
  3. Aslong as I get a box of my own.       02:20, 15 August 2011 (BST)
  4. This vote is sponsored by 'I Can't Believe He Ain't A Bureaucrat'. ~~ Chief Seagull ~~ talk 09:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)
  5. This one is a solid vote between Boxy and Vapor. Normally, I might go for Vapor, he has the most contributions, he makes solid decisions and he's an excellent janitor. However, it is my sincere belief that, at this time, the wiki needs Boxy.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 09:38, 15 August 2011 (BST)
  6. Let's just give him perma-crat status and be done with it. =p -- Cheese 10:50, 15 August 2011 (BST)
  7. crat 4 life --hagnat 12:36, 15 August 2011 (BST)
  8. if boxy was not running, than it would be easy to vote for vapor over the rest of these clowns. but he is, so too bad. box for everything!-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!  אמת13:04, 15 August 2011 (bst)
  9. Always reliable. --Papa Moloch 16:40, 15 August 2011 (BST)
  10. Bandwagon. --AORDMOPRI ! T 17:08, 15 August 2011 (BST)
  11. Yep -- Asheets 18:24, 15 August 2011 (BST)
  12. Good times with Boxy, help me alot setting up individual block pages in suburbs back before the great page history wipe --JD 18:08, 16 August 2011 (BST)
  13. Purge the records of him not being a bureaucrat ever. -- †  talk ? f.u. 04:14, 17 August 2011 (BST)
  14. Everyone else is making a comment, so I am too. - Wyronth 06:00, 17 August 2011 (BST)
  15. Grargh! -- User:Whitehouse 14:18, 19 August 2011 (BST)
    Sure, why not. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 05:29, 29 August 2011 (BST) - After deadline. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 08:52, 29 August 2011 (BST)


  1. I'll go with one of the guys who didn't cause the Izumi drama. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 22:08, 15 August 2011 (BST)
    Vapor didn't cause the Izumi Drama.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)
    isn't Vapor a chick?--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 23:11, 15 August 2011 (BST)
    True. I was going to vote for Vapor, but I realized that Karek was running, and I figured if he was interested, I would toss my support behind him. If Karek backs out, then I will move back to Vapor. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 23:19, 15 August 2011 (BST)
    I never back out on principle but I also don't "campaign" so I tend to be a green party candidate. :p --Karekmaps 2.0?! 23:46, 15 August 2011 (BST)
  2. kareeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk --Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 04:07, 16 August 2011 (BST)


  1. I wanna see what happens--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 00:32, 15 August 2011 (BST)
    ZOMG! Worst crat evarrrr of course.-- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 09:56, 15 August 2011 (BST)


I'll leave that here for now in order to maintain the paper-thin illusion of democracy on UDWiki. -- Spiderzed 17:05, 15 August 2011 (BST)

The General

  1. MY vote goes here--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 13:59, 15 August 2011 (BST)
    Good to see that the General is the new me. :P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 14:08, 15 August 2011 (BST)

Ineligible Candidates

Withdrawn Candidates


Vote Vapor instead. They never lynch children, babies—no matter what they do they are whitewashed in advance 11:42, 15 August 2011 (BST)


Rosslessness has expressed that he shall not be running above.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:00, 15 August 2011 (BST)

Yonnua Koponen

See this for full details.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:00, 15 August 2011 (BST)


I still check udwiki several times a day but my activity is barely worth sysop powers currently, lest crat privs. I'm also not interested in the position. There are plenty of operators more than capable of handling the job properly right now. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 00:05, 15 August 2011 (BST)

Axe Hack

As Cloud Strife would say..."Not interested." --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:43, 15 August 2011 (BST)


  1. Probably any of these flavourings are fine. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:36, 15 August 2011 (BST)
  2. This guy. They never lynch children, babies—no matter what they do they are whitewashed in advance 11:42, 15 August 2011 (BST)
  3. Because boxy will remove himself from voting in the next few days, or will win by a landslide . --"Workshed" 13:57, 15 August 2011 (BST)
  4. V! Veni, vidi, vici. -- Spiderzed 17:05, 15 August 2011 (BST)
  5. This is a comment. Aichon 04:43, 17 August 2011 (BST)
  6. Meat Puppets.jpg -- Goribus 05:32, 17 August 2011 (BST)
  7. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 10:18, 17 August 2011 (BST)
  8. In the words of flava flav - Yeeeeeeeah boyyyyyyyyyy!--Jambalaya 05:52, 18 August 2011 (BST)
  9. Why not, he's a good guy. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 21:13, 18 August 2011 (BST)
  10. Heil Vapor!     : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 01:39, 19 August 2011
  11. Way too active for his own good. Let's punish him with moar responsibility and see how he handles it. :Þ ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 11:55, 21 August 2011 (BST)
  12. [insert witty comment here]   URGGGGGGGHTalk PSYCHOUTTalk STAN SATANTalk 15:47, 21 August 2011 (BST)
  13. Uh huh. Petite Fille 04:12, 27 August 2011 (BST)
  14. Ditto Gordon 21:55, 27 August 2011 (BST)
  15. yup --Kirsty Cotton 22:28, 27 August 2011 (BST)

I don't really like the idea of withdrawing with this much community support. I'm mostly doing this to show my support for Boxy but also to end the debate over how to best handle the tie. FTR it should have always been a crat decision and adding/striking votes after voting ended was a bad way of handling the situation. ~Vsig.png 18:04, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


Looks like we had a draw this time. I'd be perfectly fine if you just promoted Boxy. ~Vsig.png 00:03, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Lol, actually it looks like my vote to break the tie got in just in time. :3 --Karekmaps 2.0?! 05:31, 29 August 2011 (BST)
You were about five hours late. Maybe you were looking at the current time instead of ending time. ~Vsig.png 06:10, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, Yon's formatting sucked pretty hugely there. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 09:53, 29 August 2011 (BST)
We have precedent for this somewhere, I think the remaining crat decides, though I could be wrong. Votes outside the allowed time-span definitely get struck though.-- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 08:46, 29 August 2011 (BST)
Yeah, we can let one vote slide or we can run rule 6(Because it's in the rules, who thought). Although, as it turns out there's no rule that invalidates a late vote just a rule that gives the appropriate time of the election so you might want to think on what that actually means for this instance. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 10:01, 29 August 2011 (BST)
We never counted votes after the deadline, there's nothing to discuss here. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 10:09, 29 August 2011 (BST)
How strange, I could swear we were never particularly stringent about deadlines in the past 1 unless we explicitly blocked the vote. Silly me. And actually you're right, there is precedent for a tie that I somehow missed and it was caused by this same stupidity of vote striking confusion over unclear timelines being enforced. The whole strict timeline thing is a pretty recent concept that has done nothing but cause problems.--Karekmaps 2.0?! 10:43, 29 August 2011 (BST)
Hey Karek, stop being an idiot, and don't blame Yon for your disability to read, thanks. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 10:06, 29 August 2011 (BST)
First of all I was making a point about the appropriate placement of my comment and having fun with it. I reverted it in the next edit, so please, get offended, make a fool of yourself.

Second, you are retarded if you think that I was blaming him for my not being able to follow the page. I was blaming him for a stupid formatting choice that led to the error on the part of a user, and probably other users in the past as well if that's been done then too. I happen to be the user in question that made a stupid mistake because of it, he happens to be the person who made a stupid formatting choice, you happen to be a loudmouth and probably just stupid in general. Now that we know each other's roles you can go back to keeping out of a comment and action done to re-enforce good editing practice(Keep it Clear/Simple).

Third, you still don't add anything to the conversation. We have the rules to refer to not the misleading comment about precedent that doesn't actually exist(I checked just to be sure), which is what I was getting at by moving your comment. We also have common sense and a vote a little late that was done in response to Vapor's own comment's on Rev's/Ross' pages. We also happen to have a hole in the rules that allows us to use this idiots vote as a tie breaker since there actually aren't any rules about when votes no longer count which, with the absence of a promotion as of yet can be used to break this said tie without rule 6 because bids end in results. Common sense dictates that in the case where one candidate clearly got more votes they win, It's less muss, less fuss, more to the point. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 10:22, 29 August 2011 (BST)
Well, Karek, I copypasta'd it from what Boxy did last election, but I doubt you'd realise that with the fact that you're trying to break election rules to get him in. Leave it to the current crats to decide: it's happened twice before.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 10:31, 29 August 2011 (BST)
Once actually, because people were striking votes. Also, I saw where it started, which was where we started actually getting confused users voting extremely late(days in some cases) so it really probably should never be done again. Also, not trying to break the rules, trying to be a pain in the ass simply because it's a point for common sense when it comes to voting, my vote actually won't make any difference, as Vapor already said. I made the vote with the assumption that at the time it was still within the timeframe because of a combination of our stupidity(yours and mine) on the basis of solving Vapor's problem for him in a more straightforward way. Now I'm arguing that this change in voting regulations which more or less took place by assumption instead of ever being proposed or discussed or enforced but in a small handful of elections is pointless, needless, and worthless. Basically I'm being a dick about it because it might actually make you think about how stupid the way it's being done now is on a wiki that has elections ending at a different time for everyone. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 10:57, 29 August 2011 (BST)
Actually, it's just making me think how stupid you are.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:37, 29 August 2011 (BST)
That's good. Now how about coming up with a good alternate idea to actually solve the problem of a crat choosing the person who is supposed to be the balance to him possibly while ignoring community commentary in the process so we don't get results like DDRs last bid again where the sysop with the most votes loses due to a stupid technicality or ties because of said technicality. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 15:19, 29 August 2011 (BST)
You're wrong. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 10:33, 29 August 2011 (BST)

The time limit is clear enough. It's up to the crats now, to toss a coin (well, actually to just sum up community opinion, so the argument about whether the late votes gets struck or not is moot, it's not longer about votes) -- boxy 12:17, 29 August 2011 (BST)

Which is more or less my point. They shouldn't be being struck in the first place since they're confidence opinions, it's actually not about the votes it's about community support as BP 1.0 and 2.0(pre-oct2010) clearly shows the whole purpose of the vote is to get a clear idea of that community support. If the crats haven't promoted someone yet then the community commentary forum is, essentially, still open. Now if anyone can actually come up with any reason as to why that's not the case I'd be glad to hear it. The goal is to prevent this in the future through common sense.--Karekmaps 2.0?! 15:19, 29 August 2011 (BST)
So much for minimal fanfare. *sigh* As Boxy and those above, the current BP voting rules are pretty explicit as to when voting ends so its not really a matter of votes (as you've pointed out). But you are correct Karek in that users should be able to continue discussion until the crats make their decission, similar to how it is handled with sysop promotions. The vote may not technically count but the crats can (and should) take your support into consideration when making their decision. ~Vsig.png 15:42, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Here's my 2 cents. There's nothing I can see that stops people striking their own votes, so I'll just remove mine. Vap himself has made it clear that he wants box to have the job, and even voted for him in the first place. So box gets the gig; providing he wants it. --"Workshed" 16:22, 29 August 2011 (BST)

You can't change your vote after the election deadline, subsection 3, rule 3. So a tie, so rule 6 of subsection 1 gets invoked. End of process. If you want to change the process go to policy discussion. Christ. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 16:37, 29 August 2011 (BST)
The subsections says I cannot change my vote. I did not change it, I removed it. --"Workshed" 16:41, 29 August 2011 (BST)
That creates a pretty ugly precedent, Ross. Just man up and make a decision. I even made it easy for you. ~Vsig.png 16:47, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Thus constituting a change of the original status quo, which was a tie after the end of deadline. You're changing your vote, it's no longer there in Vapor's favor. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 16:48, 29 August 2011 (BST)
No thad, it isn't. You're trying to use a subclause designed specifically to stop people changing their votes between candidates to ensure they get the candidate they want. Removing my vote does no such thing. It's not horse trading, it's a common sense solution that results in the promotion of the candidate that has the greatest community support. --"Workshed" 17:00, 29 August 2011 (BST)
I've struck my vote too. Now you have to make a decision.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:08, 29 August 2011 (BST)
I did. Boxy. Was that not clear? I'm waiting for Rev to confirm, controversial as it is. --"Workshed" 17:11, 29 August 2011 (BST)
Thank you Ross. Ay ay ay! I should have just withdrawn at the last minute to avoid this situation. The thought had actually crossed my mind. ~Vsig.png 17:22, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Actually, it seems I can withdraw at any time so I'll just do that now. There. Now promote the crunt. ~Vsig.png 18:04, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Hold on a minute, surely that's a change in voting. I refuse! You're depriving the people of the chance to vote on candidates who where eligible in the election. --"Workshed" 18:21, 29 August 2011 (BST)
I hope you're joking. Promote. The. Crunt. Grr! Argh! *shaking fist*~Vsig.png 18:24, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Well, yeah. Heaven forbid I actually use common sense. You know you're never going to get far without the C bomb around here. Talking of Jokes, Im quite obviously not a girl. Its merely a joke in reference to my initial promotion bid. --"Workshed" 18:27, 29 August 2011 (BST)
I've been married too long I guess. That word has been permanently washed from my vocabulary I think. and your gender will forever be in question, now. You're not getting out of this one that easily. ~Vsig.png 18:32, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Striking your vote probably wasn't necessary. You could have just made that call. But yes, I voted Boxy and if my opinion as potential 'crat matters at all in the final decision making process, then I'd prefer you give it to him. ~Vsig.png 16:38, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

This is the fucking dumbest crap I've ever read. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)

Don't be a crunt. ~Vsig.png 05:02, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
If escaping such redundant asinine shit makes me a crunt then consider me crunty mccrunterson -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 05:41, 30 August 2011 (BST)

Result (2)

Boxy has been promoted.(Again). Thanks to Rosslessness for his continuing Awesomeness. --"Workshed" 18:25, 29 August 2011 (BST)