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This page is an archive of Matthewfarenheit's Promotions candidacy, which was unsuccessful. If you wish to speak with this candidate, please use their Talk page.

Matthew Fahrenheit

When I first came to the Wiki some 5 months ago, it was with the only intention to improve my experience on Urban Dead. Now, I play Urban Dead mostly in spirit of using the knowledge aquired ingame to improve the Wiki. I have made little more than 1500 edits so far, and mantained (most of the time at least =P) a personal policy of only making an edit if it's totally in good faith. I'm member of the wiki groups Project Welcome and Project Wiki Patrol, probably being the only one that still wants to believe in the former. I have helped on a great variety of ways:

  • First but not mainly, the Suggestions page: striking invalid votes and Re's, moving suggestions to Peer Rejected and archiving
  • Reporting vandalism and sometimes reverting it (don't blame me for that "sometimes", my wireless connection is slow and can't match the "revert" button if a moderator is on)
  • Surveying the wiki in the search of pages made by mistake by newbies, that developed in many, many Speedy Deletions reports of Criterions 3 and 9.
  • Helping a collection of new users, that culminated in the creation (that I couldn't accomplish without some people's help) of the {{Welcomenewbie}} template, that is used by both members of the most (un)loved Project Welcome and the new Project Mentor alike.
  • I helpt some at the Suburbs page. If you look at the northern row of suburbs their pages have both news and history standarized: that was me that got freaking tired after a whole 10 suburbs (altough it just took me a couple of hours).

Aditionally, I have been involved in a lot of ways on Wiki related processes, may they be a great variety of votings (Suggestion, deletions, policies, modship bids, bureaucrat bids...), the develop of policies, some Arbitration and Misconduct cases... In all of these I'm always trying to add a fresh, enlightening point of view and not to feed the drama (and I must confess I feel very proud when somebody starts a sentence with "as Matt said...").

Finally, to respond a standard question: I never had a position of responsability on the Internet, like on a forum. I think that this has its pros and cons, mainly because a forum admin is used to have full authority on his domain, while Wiki mods have no more "power", but more responsibilities and several ties that prevent them to make use of their "power". I fully intend to accept the extra responsibilities, because my main reason to become a mod is to do better what I'm already doing: mantain this wiki working the best it can be done. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 05:42, 2 September 2006 (BST)

  • Against - His continuously questionable back seat modding on the Suggestions page has lead me to question whether he is capable of handling more power. Cyberbob  Talk  05:46, 2 September 2006 (BST)
    • Well, I didn't stike a single vote for more than two months (I'm really not taking the time to count as I feel it doesn't matter). Currently on the Suggestions page, I only vote and move suggestions that get Spaminated. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 05:51, 2 September 2006 (BST)
      • Let me rephrase that. Cyberbob  Talk  05:53, 2 September 2006 (BST)
        • My last Re to you, after this I do care what the final result is but I'll endure it: My actions as a normal user have never surpassed those that any user is allowed to do, and were in good faith and in spirits to help the currently exhausted mods to do their jobs. For example I never made a non justified vandal report or commented in one of them just for personal fun or gain. If in the past I overenforced some rules (and I'm talking months in the past, when I first asked Bob and Xoid to help on the Suggestions page) now I follow them to the spirit and had become a respected member of the community thanks to cool judgement and calm behaviour. Past problems between the two of us are hopefully in the past (just look at the vouch I made on your Bureaucrat bid: I took my step) and as so, I want you to vote keeping in mind that I'm currently doing whatever I can do to improve the Wiki and help my wiki friends and everyone that asks or is in need of a spare hand. Your vote kinda bothers me because it looks like you think that the way I was helping was "too closely". --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 06:10, 2 September 2006 (BST)
          • It is not what you do that concerns me. It is the manner in which you do it. Cyberbob  Talk  08:51, 2 September 2006 (BST)
            • Hey, at the end of the day what needs to be done gets done and isn't that what matters? Youronlyfriend 07:15, 6 September 2006 (BST)
              • I do a shitload of work for the wiki (more than Bob, even) and I didn't see everyone rushing to vouch me over him. Cyberbob  Talk  09:21, 10 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - sadly, we cant have a brazilian and an argentinian mod in the same place, so you and i will have to fight to death. First one to die is the loser. --overlord hagnat mod 06:03, 2 September 2006 (BST)
  • Against - Tenuous, but as long as you stick to your word of leaving the suggestions page mostly alone, I have no major qualms with you becoming a moderator. –Xoid STFU! 06:05, 2 September 2006 (BST)
    • As I said to Cyberbob, I don't strike votes since I don't remember how long. To stay out of the Suggestions page can't be done, I like to vote there and when I can I'll still move spamminated suggestions. But I can assure you my contributions there won't go farther than that. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 06:10, 2 September 2006 (BST)
      • I said "no major qualms". I still do not think you are suited to the job at hand. I remember a few comments you have made on M/VB that I find… disconcerting. I can't pinpoint any specific comment, but my gut instinct is strongly telling me that you would be a poor choice. –Xoid STFU! 06:23, 2 September 2006 (BST)
        • Sorry, but after reflecting on it, I'm more certain now than before. Consider this an against. –Xoid STFU! 17:25, 15 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch As per Hagnat, but only if you record it, put the video on youtube, and send me the URL. Ron Burgundy 06:12, 2 September 2006 (BST)
    • You say this like HE is the one who is going to win the fight... better make a deal with me too, or you'll end with nothing. --overlord hagnat mod 06:57, 2 September 2006 (BST)
      • Oh, c'mon haggy, it's as obvious as Maradona > Pelé. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 06:59, 2 September 2006 (BST)
        • You want to start this fight now heh ? Too bad i am going to sleep, so i cant fight you now. You should too, it must be 2am where you live :P And try not to sneak on me while i am sleeping... that would be a lot unpolite from you. --overlord hagnat mod 07:04, 2 September 2006 (BST)
          • Don't worry, I don't sneak on guys beds while they sleep. And it's 3AM here =). --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 07:12, 2 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - Your fight with hagnat must have some mud or I'm taking this vouch away.--Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 06:21, 2 September 2006 (BST)
  • Abstain - Later consideration makes me wonder how effective a moderator he would be. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 17:45, 15 September 2006 (BST)Vouch - I have seen Matt's work on the wiki, and worked with him on several things with satisfying results. I think that he would be a good addition to the moderation team. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 06:49, 2 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - I've been wondering when the second friendliest guy on the wiki would run for promotion. --Darth Sensitive Talk W! 14:17, 2 September 2006 (BST)
    I was friendly before I became a moderator too, you know. Just wait, you'll turn into a bitter asshole too. ;) –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 06:20, 3 September 2006 (BST)
    I'd give up the SysOp status if it turned me into a bitter asshole. :) I have better things to do with my life. --Darth Sensitive Talk W! 06:49, 3 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - Upstanding and helpful guy. What more needs to be said? -- Alan Watson Talk · MalTel 22:05, 2 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch I've had some personal reservations about voting for Matthewfarenheit, but Darth has convinced me to go ahead and Vouch. Conndrakamod T CFT 22:29, 2 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - As long as I get tickets to the fight.--Paradox244 W! TJ! 01:55, 5 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - That's strange, I didn't realize that you weren't already a moderator. Youronlyfriend 06:09, 5 September 2006 (BST)
    • Hm... I wonder why? My point is made, Matt. Cyberbob  Talk  14:44, 5 September 2006 (BST)
      • I'm saying with all the work I've seen him do, I thought that he was already a moderator. Youronlyfriend 07:06, 6 September 2006 (BST)
        • I know what you meant... and it proves my point. Read my vote. Cyberbob  Talk  08:48, 6 September 2006 (BST)
        • Thanks, I appreciate your oppinion. Probably sometimes I really look like a mod (speaking like one and such), but that's just me trying to make things right. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 19:17, 6 September 2006 (BST)
      • How come that the same comment was made to users like Sonny and you didn't hesitate to give them your vouch? Double standards or hidden reasons, you choose. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 19:21, 5 September 2006 (BST)
        • I choose neither. Sonny is nowhere near as stuck up as you are. Cyberbob  Talk  02:27, 6 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - But a tentative one, my gut feel is that you wouldn't be a great moderator.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 19:24, 6 September 2006 (BST)
    • OMG, first Xoid then you... I'm starting to fear these gut feelings of the mods! --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 19:29, 6 September 2006 (BST)
  • Against - back seat modder, intrudes where his comments are not welcome and pretty quick tempered -- Rueful 19:22, 7 September 2006 (BST)
    • I just talked to him once when the "Prohibiting Content Outside of the Normal Page Area" policy passed, because he wanted to take off himself some content of the CDF page without respecting the 1 week grace period. That's Rueful for yah! --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 22:22, 7 September 2006 (BST)
      • Not sure how insulting the voters is going to earn you any brownie points from Xoid/Kevan, Matthew. Cyberbob  Talk  06:49, 8 September 2006 (BST)
        • I didn't insult, I pointed a fact. Can you try to stop posting on my promotion bid unless you have something of value to add instead of hate? I know that whatever Xoid's or Kevan's decission is, it will be based on the community opinion of yours truly, and not of your POV alone. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 06:59, 8 September 2006 (BST)
          • Hey, where did I state that the final decision is going to be mine alone? I'll tell you: nowhere, because it isn't up to me. But I'm telling you right now, that kind of thing doesn't win you any favours. Believe me. Cyberbob  Talk  07:15, 8 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - recent events have changed my mind, you would be a fine mod--Gage 04:13, 10 September 2006 (BST) Abstain - As Xoid... --Gage 22:50, 7 September 2006 (BST)
    • You made my night Gage, you made my night. I'll dream too well today. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 04:25, 10 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - I think he'll do fine. --Brizth M T 12:35, 8 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - A balanced mod, doesn't bother me. If he removes your suggestion then you know it sucked or smelled something awful... Always has suggestions for new & semi-new. --MrAushvitz17:50, 8 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - I don't know what he does that's so bad... People might complain about 'back-seat modding' but someone's got to do it; and surely it lowers the workload for the other mods. I think he'd be a great mod. Jonny12 Talk | W! | Hunt! 18:36, 8 September 2006 (BST)
  • Against --Centerfire 22:40, 8 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - He's a good member of the WIki.--Canuhearmenow Hunt! 22:45, 8 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - You have my support. --Kiki Lottaboobs 04:37, 9 September 2006 (BST)
  • Against - Gotta agree with Cyberbob. That said, I'm not voting for his promotion either. So it works out. - David Malfisto 16:31, 9 September 2006 (BST)
  • VOuch He's been so good, people have confused him as a mod before...What can this tell you other than I get some pa-I mean, other than he is perfect for it. The common user's mod, finally. --Gold Blade 02:48, 10 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch Sure. Seems like a good guy.--Grigori 03:32, 10 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - I'm a supporter. --Axe Hack 04:25, 10 September 2006 (BST)
  • Against - Recent actions seems to suggest that Mr. "Farenhiet" is more of a "Firebrand" than I think is needed on the wiki. However, this may have been because he was in the process of making CyberBob240 look bad and venting his anger in a means to have him punished for actions that Matthew found unappealing, so this is a weak "against" if Matthew proves to be more moderate in his interactions. --Karlsbad 04:41, 10 September 2006 (BST)
  • Abstain - I'm already concerned about the number and quality of mods, but I don't know this person well enough to say one way or another. Asheets 04:35, 11 September 2006 (BST)
    • Can you tell me why you vote then? Puzzles me... --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 04:54, 11 September 2006 (BST)
      • An Abstain isn't really a vote. It's an offical way of saying "Meh." Cyberbob  Talk  06:44, 11 September 2006 (BST)
        • I suppose it is. Or probably he thinks that there are too many mods to promote more people, or has some concerns about the current mods. Either way, he prefers to say it at least with an "Abstain" vote instead of stay quiet.
        • As a response to you Asheets, when there's more people doing a job that same job becomes more and more easier to do. People comes from forums and other different places and generally have a wrong idea of what is a mod on this wiki: Moderators are just trusted wiki users with some extra powers that come with (I feel like Stan Lee) extra responsibilities, and a serie of ties that prevent them to make indiscriminate use of that power. For every action that a mod does he must go trough a series of process (a lot of bureaucracy indeed) that ensure that he's not doing what he does without the backup of the community. If you feel that the quantity of mods could affect the flow of work or in some way damage the wiki, I must say that I don't agree. But about the quality issue, I agree, and I don't think that any of the current (active) mods haven't show their quality in various opportunities. But we, as normal users, can't just expect them to perform outstandingly every day because we don't want to grant them any help, or think that to crowd the mod lists can't be good. If I can give them a hand, I'll gladly do it, and that's what everyone that has posted himself here is doing. Personally I can say to you that to maintain this wiki working correctly has become a personal aim and so I posted myself here. Don't be confused by jokes or think that some of us are just in a constant seek of power, because the little power that a wiki mod has it's obscured with the several ties that bind them to use that power. Mods are ultimately tools for the community, people that acts only in request of a member of the community, and that's all. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 07:08, 11 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - --CaptainM 05:06, 12 September 2006 (BST)
  • Abstain - I don't really know you. Do you agree that a perfect grilled cheese sammich is made with 2 Kraft singles, moderate butter, and a little bit of salt cooked to a golden brown. Served with a side of crunchy baby pickles?--The Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Talk | CC CPFOAS DOЯIS Judge LOE ZHU 07:02, 13 September 2006 (BST)
    • I don't know what's weirder: this Abstain vote or the fact that, excepting typos, I agree with it... --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 17:48, 13 September 2006 (BST)
  • Against-Not because he voted against me either, but because he didn't vote for me.Jjames 09:14, 13 September 2006 (BST)
  • Tally 20 Vouch, 6 Against, 3 Abstain, 29 Total. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 00:34, 14 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch - I can't belive that I almost forgot to vouch, he's a great guy and his heart's definitly in the right place. - Jedaz - 00:52/16/12/2019 08:51, 15 September 2006 (BST)
  • Against - Several people I trust have informed me of his power hungrieness, and I haven't seen enough good stuff from him to conter that. Sooooo... --SirensT RR 17:21, 15 September 2006 (BST)
    • Namely Sonny and Cyberbob. Probably the only "Against" votes that I should have taken seriously, if they even tried to make their votes look serious. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 02:11, 16 September 2006 (BST)
  • Against - I looked at some of your contributions and I feel that you will need to learn more about the wiki's rules and contribute more before becoming a moderator. --Akule 19:04, 15 September 2006 (BST)
    Who are you?--Gage 19:38, 15 September 2006 (BST)
    • Did you really look? Because if you still want me to contribute more... I'll have to make another wiki. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 02:11, 16 September 2006 (BST)
  • Against - I've been here for a while and feel he is too inexperien--User:Sgt Whiskey Swiper19:10, 15 September 2006 (BST)
    This guy has 14 total edits. I think we should consider his opinion very carefully--Gage 19:38, 15 September 2006 (BST)
  • Against - I havnt seen enough fair and balanced editing on his behalf. --Technerd CFT 19:44, 15 September 2006 (BST)
  • Against - Shows the decision making skills of a twelve year old. Will support friends but when it comes to those who play the opposite side of a stupid game he cannot show the common courtesy that others of more importance than him in-game can. If made a mod he will only make the situation worse here. This decision is final. --Sonny Corleone WTF RRF ASS DORIS Hunt! 21:00, 15 September 2006 (BST)
    • *Fakes a tough voice* "This decision is final" *stops faking, coughing and laughing hard simultaneously* Oh my, someone likes drama here! Also, the last moment vote (as with many other people) shows how weak your opinion is because you don't want it to be discussed. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 02:11, 16 September 2006 (BST)
  • Against - Never really liked the guy, Or the way he handled situations. I Dont think he should be made a mod. --DarkStar2374383 Talk | LDY | LOE 02:19, 16 September 2006 (BST)
    • WHAT?? Because I convinced you that I was a nice guy you stoped a (all in game) griefing action over the YRC by barricading St. Swithun's Church. That was the only contact we made, and you expressely said that you wuold stop to grief because you liked ME. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 02:26, 16 September 2006 (BST)
  • Against - Don't like his style. Bubba 04:18, 16 September 2006 (BST)
    • Who are you? --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 04:26, 16 September 2006 (BST)
      • A guy with one vote who doesn't like your combative, defensive, holier than thou responses. Bubba 06:50, 16 September 2006 (BST)
        • I meant it on the "Who are you that vote with only 10 previous contributions?" kind of way. But of course, you can always say "I was there, I just don't contribute that much". Not a sockpuppet, but a puppet indeed. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 06:54, 16 September 2006 (BST)
          • Maybe I don't contribute as much as some, but a wiki consists of READERS and AUTHORS. As a reader, I don't believe you would improve the product. And no, I am not a puppet, except in your world, where everyone who does not agree with you must be. Take ten deep breaths and chill, dude, and maybe I vote for you next time. Bubba 11:24, 16 September 2006 (BST)
  • Vouch shur...if you have done this...why not? --Amanofpower CFT 05:24, 16 September 2006 (BST)

Ok, can I stop this insanity and say "voting closed"? Yeah, insanity including that last vouch, that I thank but I do not see as a great contribution to the bid, the same as some hardly experienced user's against votes. I ask the bureaucrats to look at the votes as the content they have deserve AND the users that made them, as in some cases votes are hardly contributive. Thanks. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 06:02, 16 September 2006 (BST)

Final Tally 21 Vouch, 14 Against, 2 Abstain, 37 Total. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 06:02, 16 September 2006 (BST)

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