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This page is an archive of Spiderzed's Promotions candidacy. If you wish to speak with this candidate, please use their Talk page. If you believe that the candidate has abused the abilities and privileges granted them by this promotion, please report them for misconduct.


Experienced user, does good work as a janitor. Speaks up, and makes good points. Good all-round qualities. Not perfect, but no serious faults that couldn't be fixed. Can work in any section of the wiki. I think he'd be a great Op. Honestly, if your active on this wiki you'll have seen Spiderzed in action plenty of times. We could use some sysops anyway, since we are a bit low on them. Get this guy in. I have a feeling he'll get plenty of vouches. Don't prove me wrong here community. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 13:49, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

As I said already on Thad's talk page, I'm not so sure that a.) I'm qualified to be a sys-op, b.) that there would be substantial community support for me and c.) most importantly, I actually need or want op buttons. I'll first need some time to think about it and watch the community input before I can definitively accept or decline this bid. Keep this especially in mind when you put up Questions for me - I might not answer them timely. Not because I won't watch this bid (I will), but because I first have to mull myself over my potential future sys-op business a bit. -- Spiderzed 14:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
OK, Vapor and Yon, you've convinced me. I accept the nomination. While op buttons aren't something I crave and need every day, there's still the odd case where I could use them, as with the protected Template:Banneduser where a link to Vandal Data would have been more useful, but I was limited to asking for a change. Or my combat with the Cornholioo sockpuppets here and there that could have been much easier with a temporary block. Of course I'd also branch out my daily gnomeing routine to areas as A/SD and A/MR, and would offer a quick second opinion on blatant A/VB cases (and an educated opinion on the rare more controversial A/VB or A/M case). But you shouldn't expect the revolution to come when you vote for me, just my usual routine with a few more options. -- Spiderzed 19:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Well, in the first case, you should probably have commented on the talk page even if you were a sysop.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:11, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes, discussing it first would have been the polite thing to do (and the route I'd have gone). It would still have allowed me to follow through myself as soon as their was clear support for the change. -- Spiderzed 20:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Vouch Obviously. Never had a problem with him too. A conversation was kept in mind when putting him up --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 13:49, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Vouch Sounds like an accept to me --Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 14:18, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Vouch You remind me of Vapor. And I saw the currentminute2 thingy you did. Mull it over as much as you want, just don't take two weeks or your bid'll close. ;P -- †  talk ? f.u. 14:25, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Vouch - Do it too it brotha'. And mull some wine while you're at it, always helps me to make clear decisions. =B --GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 14:28, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Irrelevant Question - Are you a man or a woman, because it's been giving me problems in conversation before?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    While a surprising lot of folks have told me in PMs and on IRC that they think of me as female, I'm actually male. Probably because my by far most visible alt (my Cobra PKer) is female, while my male alts either are idled or try to keep a low profile as a death-cultist. -- Spiderzed 15:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    I don't really know, because I was ready to give a somewhat weak vouch, but then I saw that you used your "vote" on Giles' bid essentially to flame me, and I don't think an attitude like that would really be good on the sysop team. I don't think it's good to be trying to put down users not even involved in the discussion at hand. Other than that, you've been largely good (you might have needed a month to simmer, imo, but you're decent enough) so consider this a hearty Abstain --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:42, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    I didn't mean to pick you for flaming, but as a recent example of someone having weird opinions on A/VB cases. (Your questioning of Ross' checkusering on one of the blatant Izumi wiki alts comes to mind.) -- Spiderzed 15:52, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    Umm, sorry? That didn't happen. The case you're thinking of wasn't Izumi, and I said at the time I didn't think it was Misconduct, I just thought it was what I had been MC'd for. And it wasn't exactly a weird opinion, MHSstaff said the same thing.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:05, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    Checked back, it was indeed the Zombieman11 fiasco, which happened around the same time as the Izumi heap. My bad, must have confused the cases. (Although I still think that the reasoning was weird.) -- Spiderzed 16:09, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    Don't worry about it, it's no problem. It's a good sign that you can admit your mistakes.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    By the way, since my abstain seems a whole lot more negative than it actually is, Spiderzed would be good because he's a good janitor, etc. and was the ninth most active user in 2010.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:11, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    Against - This is quite possibly one of the most abysmal things I have ever seen. I have no support for a candidate who thinks it's acceptable to "flame" another user off of the wiki.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
    Relevant. Spider is answering Harrison's question, not offering a suggestion. We're coming to get you, Barbara 20:08, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
    Blatantly not. Read the comment for once. The language is quite clear. Now go do something better than repeatedly hounding everybody who disagrees with you.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:15, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
    As Mis has ninja'd (stupid edit conflict!), I was answering a question Harrisson had left on Ross' talk page about civility. At no point did I ask Harrisson to "flame" Thad off the wiki. While it's no big secret that I haven't been a fan of his promotion at the current time (I againsted, duh) and am still not convinced, I'd rather give him a chance to improve. -- Spiderzed 20:18, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
    Off-topic discussion moved to talk page -- Spiderzed 22:02, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Vouch - I can confirm that he works well with others --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 17:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Vouch - See how he does on the job. -MHSstaff 17:50, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Question - What specifically is holding you back from accepting your bid? I think your an exemplary user. You obviously know what you're doing. You actively contribute to admin page, do a lot of janitorial work, and generally make the wiki a better place. So why the hesitation for considering promotion? ~Vsig.png 18:55, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    Mostly not being sure if I want op duties after having seen some burn out in their time as ops, particularly as I rarely need the buttons to do what I do on the wiki. At least I'd be a bit dumbfounded right now at the usual question of "What do you want op buttons for?" but for the obvious points as "To maintain A/SD".
    However, this bid goes surprisingly well - I'd have expected a lot of more Abstains and Weak Vouches, as I didn't consider myself as a prime op candidate. If this overwhelming support continues for the remainder of the first 24h, I think I have little choice but to accept. -- Spiderzed 19:08, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    Just accept and judge how you feel about it after a couple of months. You can always resign if you don't like it.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:11, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    Abstain - But reluctantly. For the points I made above I think you'd make a good sysop. Above all, though I think one needs to want to be a sysop to be a good sysop. I don't think community support should be one's primary reason for wanting promotion, though. If you decide that a promotion is something you'd like, then you can expect that I'd happily vouch for you. If you do as Yon suggested and just went in with an open mind about it then I'd happily vouch for you. If you want to go on doing great work on the wiki as a regular user, I completely understand and won't try to persuade you otherwise. ~Vsig.png 19:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    Vouch - I think Spidey would make a great addition to the team and glad he decided to accept the nomination. ~Vsig.png 20:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    Yeah, I wouldn't base this on your perception of community support. Do this only if you really want to do it, or if you feel that there is a need for your services. Otherwise, its not worth getting burned out on. -MHSstaff 19:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Reluctantly Against for similar reasons to Vapor. I have no problems with you yourself and you do a good job but wanting to become a sysop is one of the criteria for promotion after all. -- Cheese 19:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Against im with Vapor....shame really because you seem honest enough --C Whitty 20:18, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Vouch - On the condition that he change his sig (EDIT: he doesn't actually have to; I'll vouch either way, but I'll vouch harder if he changes it to something better, maybe). I dunno why, but I am NOT a fan, and I kid you not, it has actually negatively affected my opinion. I have no clue why, and it's totally irrational. Go figure. Other than that though, I agree with the rest of the comments. Exemplary user. Level headed. Does great janitorial work with little notice or reward. Just the type we're looking for in the role of sysop. He'd be perfect if it weren't for that sig and the way he kinda tried to hedge his bets here with accepting the bid. ;) Aichon 20:25, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    I noticed the hedging too, but I don't consider it the worst thing in the world, given some people's irrational hatred of people wanting the job.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:43, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    Oh, it's definitely not a big deal for me. While I do consider it ideal if a candidate is aware enough of the wiki community to know when their name is being bantered around for a possible nomination and that they would decide in advance whether or not they are a good candidate and would want to accept a nomination, it's by no means a deal-breaker if they'd like some reassurance first. Everyone can be a little unsure of themselves at times, so it's entirely warranted that he'd do that. Hell, I'd probably have done it too for my own bid if Iscariot hadn't threatened to A/PM me so many times that I knew I needed to prepare my thoughts for that eventuality. Aichon 20:55, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    In all honesty, the actual bid has hit me a bit out of the blue, and I'm still quite puzzled at the support (that I didn't expect, at least not that wide-spread). Apart from Trips edit comment some months back and a bit of bantering with Mis on IRC about potential future op candidates, Thad's comment on Giles' bid was just the third time for me to be directly mentioned as an op candidate. I'd first have expected a promotion for Trips (and maybe some more vacant spots in the current team) before things get actually serious for me. -- Spiderzed 21:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    Frankly, I think the next few people to be promoted should probably be the two currently up, Axe Hack and MHSstaff (These four names taken from a cross of my activity-ma-bob and the fact that they do lots of good edits). I also expect several others to run but not make it in the mean time (anyone not mentioned above who helped with GSGM, other than giles, who should be promoted but will refuse).--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    Really? I could've sworn I've heard your name bantered around at least a half dozen times in the last few months. And strangely enough, going back through my talk page, I found references to myself, Yonn, Giles, Maverick and Rorybob being listed as potential candidates back in December 2009. So...yeah. These things can stretch back a ways sometimes, but you've definitely been discussed, and I've never really seen it as a queue that needs to be processed in order (where one person has to be promoted before others can be), so much as a pool that gets drawn from as folks are willing and able. Aichon 23:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    Considering Rorybob and I both ran in November 2009, that's hardly a surprise. :P Then Rorybob said something like he only wanted the power and decided to never run again. I quit Urbandead for 3 days and played Diablo instead, until SA inspired me to return on IRC.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
  • I can vouch for Spidey. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 21:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Against. Sorry, but I don't particularly trust Spiderzed to be an objective judge in cases where his personal interests or in-game affiliations come into play. G F J 22:36, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Vouch ooooooh, not sure if I completely trust him, but only because I don't know much about the user behind the actions. I dig spiderzed though, an odd but good worker. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 23:36, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • weak vouch anybody but thad. and I like that fact that he didn't seek the position. makes he seem more genuine. and I love nazi hunters. ----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 02:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
  • V-V-V-VOUCH. Doesn't even need an explanation, in my opinion. As long as he stays the way he is, s'all good. --Ash  |  T  |  яя  | 09:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Vouch --AORDMOPRI ! T 20:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Question Whats your response to GFJ's comment? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:08, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
    I am pretty opinionated, lean heavily towards the anti-survivor side in UD and have not the best opinion on certain groups and individuals. This includes DEM, which seems to be GFJ's concern, particularly along with this VB case. (In hindsight, I used the wrong tool (A/VB) to deal with the right problem (the removal of useful information on a mainspace article). Fortunately, it has been resolved now by GFJ returning to the Metagaming article and expanding the DEMon parts, leaving the article even better than it was before.)
    However, I consider it as hugely important to separate wiki duties from my personal opinions, preferences and affiliations, and to enact them as impartially as possible. This would become even more important when I actually gain the power to potentially disrupt other users by such means as deletions or escalations.
    Of course, it is very easy to talk about such virtues, but at times very hard to act on them. So rather than to blather on, I'd point at instances where I actually have done so: I even helped Cornholioo with formatting woes, interlink technicalities and informing about incoming VB cases - and the DEM hasn't earned nearly as much ire of mine as Cornhole has. -- Spiderzed 20:39, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
    Probably about even. Follow Up. What's your favourite page on UDWiki and why? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
    That is clearly the Guides page. If there is a single page that has been the greatest use to me as an information resource for UD, it is this one. It's also the greatest show of potential that there is for this wiki, by providing a bridge between a.) the purely descriptional resource pages as the suburb maps or the skills descriptions, and b.) multiple people acting independently of each other to do their own thing, teach each other their insights into UD and helping them to become better at the game. It plays directly at the strengths of a wiki system, makes this wiki a better place, and along with Category:Player Resources it's the most useful and accessible thing to casual UDWiki users that there is. -- Spiderzed 21:08, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Against -- The fact that you seemed to be waiting for popular support before accepting (hedging your bets, as mentioned above) has me doubting whether you should really have this position. Trying to get a position because you can is very different than trying to get it because you want it. You display no true eagerness for the tasks, apart from to speed up own ideas/conflicts. You do good janitorial work but I don't really feel you need the extra buttons to continue doing so. As you admitted you are heavily biased towards a specific style of in-game play, I'm not sure you could be trusted to be objective when it comes to issues concerning a conflict involving said playstyle, or using information gained to further your own agenda. I know you believe that you could keep the in-game and the wiki seperate, but you would for example have access to checkuser, which I would not trust a user with who could easily find him/herself in a conflict with other users over ideology (not quite the word but it will do). Caesar Salad 23:33, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
    Specifically privacy (including checkuser) is something I care strongly about. I brought up one misconduct case and one VB case about these matters, and won't tolerate any privacy violations, neither by myself nor by others. That's the kind of shit that can damage people beyond the wiki and affect their real life. (On an unrelated note, would you mind to tell us how you found out about that bid? It seems a bit hard to believe that someone registers on the wiki the other day, learns about promotions as first thing and then brings up a comment about it that references facts from all over the wiki history and is flawless as far as formatting goes.) -- Spiderzed 19:30, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Weak Vouch Weak, only because I don't know the candidate as well as I should... Asheets 16:23, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Seems acceptable -- boxy talkteh rulz 11:01 5 February 2011 (BST)
  • Vouch already does a great wiki-jan job --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 13:57, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Vouch As I trust the user more than any other wikimod--Rapture 00:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Vouch As hilarious as MisterLame's tenure is going to be, we do need to balance it out with someone with an actual brain. As long as we now have a Zerger in a sysop position, it would probably be wise to get a Zerg Hunter in there as well to keep an eye on it.-- | T | BALLS! | 20:25 9 February 2011(UTC)
  • Strong Vouch Spiderzed will restore balance to the farce. Furthermore, I demand that the Zerg Hunter get all up in the Zerger's bizniz. Spiderzed is a formidable person and should be considered a serious threat by everyone who hated Grim_s and Iscariot. Run, vermin, run! --DTPraise KnowledgePK 03:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Vouch - There's a level of doggedness, thoroughness and ethics that are generally required for these positions, and I feel Spiderzed ticks these boxes. He's always shown a care towards the wiki as a tool and a resource, but also a no-nonsense attitude to difficult decisions. I feel that he would be an asset to the decision-making sections of the admin team just as he currently is to the janitorial side already. We're coming to get you, Barbara 00:29, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Spiderzed is another recent candidate that Ross and I (but also, more importantly, the community) approve of to obtain sysop position. Has a good head about him and is a hard worker, and a dedicated player of the game. Ross and I have promoted Spiderzed. Keep up the helpful work, it is much appreciated by all. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 13:31, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

15 days ago, I wouldn't have expected that I'd be one of the wiki overlords by middle of February. And it is still a bit hard to believe for me that I have actually become, and that so many wikizens put so much trust into me. But indeed there are red exclamation marks on my RC and funky buttons on the top of the page, so there's no denial anymore. Cheers to everyone who had nice things to say about my work, and thanks to those who brought up criticisms and issues - I'll do my very best to keep them in mind.
(And now excuse me, I'm going to delete some admin pages and permaban everyone who againsted me to test those powers ;-P ) -- Spiderzed 14:29, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
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