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July 2008


Crabappleslegalteam (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Impersonation... I think, didn't precedent state a while back that you couldn't change a heading (even on your own talk page) that another user has posted? A goolina case I believe. For reference it looks like these two have been at it a while, a few edits later and Blackboard (OP of the heading) edits this heading to something else, but a not a reversion to the original text. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 23:39, 31 July 2008 (BST)

Precedent does indeed show that. Therefore this is vandalism. Have a pleasant evening. -- Cheese 00:57, 1 August 2008 (BST)
We think precendence should be taken in context, and we doubt it's the same here. We've already put a plea on Krazy Monkeys page, and if this carries on, we'll take it to arbitration, or possibly misconduct--Crabappleslegalteam 01:36, 1 August 2008 (BST)
This is indeed Vandalism. You changed the title, which is part of his post, to something completely defamatory, and left it so that it looked likem it was his work. A title is part of a persons post. You are not allowed to change it significantly. Cease your whining and take it like a man. --The Grimch U! E! 03:46, 1 August 2008 (BST)

I'm gonna do something here that might cause an argument but, as both users involved in this case have explicitly stated that they don't want the other user punished and don't mind the edit I believe it would be incorrect to rule this as vandalism or impersonation. Not Vandalism, they don't mind it we shouldn't either.--Karekmaps?! 03:19, 3 August 2008 (BST)

Thanks Karek! Grimch, we hope you're not pushing this out of personal animosity over our arguments with you over Saromu's abuse of group listings half a year ago....--Crabappleslegalteam 00:08, 4 August 2008 (BST)

Damn edit conflicts!

Here's the problem. What they did was clearly vandalism. You don't edit someone else's post (including the headline).
However, I do see where you are coming from. But what we really have here is a group talk page, a vandal report filed by someone that as far as I can tell isn't in the group, and a representative of the group and the vandal himself coming to an agreement.
If we let a member of a group say it isn't vandalism and we reverse our decision then why even have sysops? That would be letting the groups patrol their own pages and decide which rules to follow and enforce. If we say that since the reportee isn't a member of the group and the group worked it out with the vandal it isn't vandalism we are telling people that it is a waste of time to report vandalism that doesn't directly affect them.
The problem is we need to enforce the guideline that says "Try to work this out before reporting it". We need A/VB reports to have a link to the act and a link to the vandal's talk page where the reportee tried to work it out. This extra step will (hopefully) result in less petty reports.--– Nubis NWO 00:29, 4 August 2008 (BST)
Yeah, except the two users did work it out without involving A/VB, we shouldn't punish them for that.--Karekmaps?! 02:50, 4 August 2008 (BST)
So you want to reverse the decision because the reportee didn't follow the guidelines of the page when making the report and the conflict was resolved on its' own? I would support that reason for a reversal.
I really think we need to start enforcing the guidelines. Stop making rulings on petty cases that don't show an effort to be resolved on their own. --– Nubis NWO 03:27, 4 August 2008 (BST)
Yes, that sounds about right.--Karekmaps?! 12:48, 4 August 2008 (BST)


Shooty08 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Second suggestion of the day. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 19:05, 31 July 2008 (BST)

Is that actually vandalism?--The General T Sys U! P! F! 19:12, 31 July 2008 (BST)
I was gonna say forget about it, assuming it was a newbie mistake, but you edit conflicted me... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 19:13, 31 July 2008 (BST)
Not Vandalism - There's a rule against it on the suggestions page but it's not counted as vandalism. -- Cheese 19:14, 31 July 2008 (BST)
Well...they're not really rules...They're guidelines... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 19:18, 31 July 2008 (BST)
Multiple suggestions isnt vandalism, its just isnt allowed and the multi's get removed. This is just ridiculously petty. You have been around for long enough to know that no vandalism cases have been created about it, even though im usually the one who strikes them in the first place. You'd think that if there were groundas for a case, id have made it. --The Grimch U! E! 03:40, 1 August 2008 (BST)
Heh, if you were here long enough, namely not in hiatus, you would know that the "multiple suggestions a day not allowed" rule was made in response of MrAushvitz multiple suggestion and as a way to make his actions vandalism. The Sysops then even checked the hour and made reports accordingly if 24 hs exactly havent passed since his last suggestion: that kind of pettyness was commonplace amongst you. And still is... --Starplatinum 07:54, 1 August 2008 (BST)
I looked up the case in the history. Xoid, Gage and his ilk were a fucked up bunch of idiots who abused their positions in the extreme, and are responsible for much of the remaining sysop hate thats been hanging around the wiki ever since. Before they got theior hands on the reigns sysops were actually respected. I will not treat their petty victimisation of a user as precident, even given the fact that i despise the user they leveled it against. Suggestions guidelines dont explicitely state its vandalism, so its not vandalism. Its just removed with the multi template. --The Grimch U! E! 11:38, 1 August 2008 (BST)


Shooty08 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Created this Gem of a Suggestion. -- Cheese 18:15, 31 July 2008 (BST)

He also did this, I assumed good faith and pointed it out to him on the talk page. His reply on my Talk page "sorry, It was over a day old, I tried moving it but messed up the coding for it XD It's been a while since I edited a page on wiki." not sure if he is a new user or a vandal.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 18:26, 31 July 2008 (BST)
Good or bad faith has nothing to do with it. Suggestions rule 10 defines the act to be vandalism, and as such, this is vandalism and he has been warned, the suggestion removed, and a warning added to vandal data. --The Grimch U! E! 18:34, 31 July 2008 (BST)
Agreed.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 18:47, 31 July 2008 (BST)
That's 2 seperate acts of vandalism, kids. That really ought to be two seperate warning levels. Also... is anyone starting to come on board to the realisation there is an active suggestions page trolling thing going on ATM? I don't know where they are coming from or who they are, but there is someone whose aim it is to troll the suggestions and Talk:Suggestions page... People are calling me "paranoid"... Uhm... I'm calling anyone who doesn't see it ostriches... --WanYao 21:46, 31 July 2008 (BST)
Well, Shooty's IP isn't being used by any other frequent suggester, but yeah there is a disturbing trend on there. I don't know if I believe it is an organized effort though. --– Nubis NWO 22:33, 31 July 2008 (BST)


suver (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

It´s about Suver changed the signature on one of my posts. Suver is another of my characters, but I think I´m not going to play more with it.

I hope there isn´t any problem with this.

Thanks for the attention. Greetings Standzs 15:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC).


Soft warned for spamming up this page with unhelpful postings. --The Grimch U! E! 15:48, 31 July 2008 (BST)

Can I just ask, where do we have this whole "soft warning" thing in writing? What constitutes a soft warning? How many soft warnings does it take for one to get onto the Vandal Escalation scale? You're the only person I've seen using soft warnings so I thought you'd be the best one to answer that. -- Cheese 16:17, 31 July 2008 (BST)
Last i checked, two. That was how it was done to Nalikill, and i am nnothing if not consistent. As for where its in writing, we are NOT starting this shit up again. --The Grimch U! E! 16:35, 31 July 2008 (BST)
You have to have some sort of "soft warning " system in place otherwise you are either posting as John Q User that no one gives a fuck about or you are bringing the wrath of the Sysop staff upon the user. A soft warning is like using the "parent voice" that says "I brought you into this world do you want to see if I can take you out,too?" It's that little bit of authority that is needed to show you are serious about the issue, but still believe in the good faith of the user. Hag also used soft warnings (as recently as June) so maybe you just didn't notice. The problem is that soft warnings aren't used on the right people. Persistent vandals need "time outs" rather than stop it notes, but the system isn't set up for that. Newbies need soft warnings rather than black marks on their records for screwing up. It's a good system, it just needs tweaking.--– Nubis NWO 13:38, 2 August 2008 (BST)


G-man-in-clothes (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

I find it hard to believe what he's doing is in good faith. Check his contributions. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 13:25, 31 July 2008 (BST)

Since the fellas with rollback were being slow, I undid his edits. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 13:47, 31 July 2008 (BST)
Permaban - More than 3 edits, none of which seem very contributive to me. -- Cheese 14:03, 31 July 2008 (BST)
J3D's spam moved to talk. --The Grimch U! E! 15:47, 31 July 2008 (BST)


Blackboard (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Is clearly a proxy ID for a communist group member, and keeps putting The Crabapple Estate in the "hostile" section on the West Boundwood page. We told him/her/it on his talk page we'd report him/her/it if he/her/it did it again - he/she/it's put some explanation on our talk page which is some poorly disguised version of the same old "no private roperty" argument of the MAF, and we're sorry, it just doesn't wash. It didn't then, and it doesn't now, especially not with such a weak defense!--Crabappleslegalteam 01:07, 31 July 2008 (BST)

West Boundwood is a suburb page, right? This sounds more like Arbitration than A/VB to me, but I'm not 100% sure about that.-- Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 03:10, 31 July 2008 (BST)
Sounds about right to me. Unless he IS a sockpuppet using a proxy. DanceDanceRevolution 07:08, 31 July 2008 (BST)

Unless there is an active edit war going on with the suburb page I don't think we have a real policy on whether or not that would be vandalism. We seem to have that issue with another suburb. So, I don't think any sysop is going to jump in here and "rule" on this. I just didn't want you to think we were ignoring this issue.

I don't think it would be a good Arbitration case either due to the fact that it would be one person deciding a policy for a suburb page. We need a clear policy on that, but I don't see it happening anytime soon in a way that pleases the whole community. So, if it does become an active edit war it will be locked and we will go from there. --– Nubis NWO 14:12, 31 July 2008 (BST)

This is probably resolved now anyway, thankyouverymuch--Crabappleslegalteam 01:38, 1 August 2008 (BST)


Epiclol2000 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Permanently banned for uploading a goatse image (Image:GW-Bush-in-uniform2.jpg) and using it to vandalize other pages. --ZsL 02:32, 31 July 2008 (BST)

User:Seargent Block

Seargent Block (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Doesn't like the garden group. My favourite edit to their page is this one. [[1]]. I gather he's also been asked to stop on his talk page. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:18, 28 July 2008 (BST)

Warned.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 19:36, 28 July 2008 (BST)


Grim_s (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

For creating an inflammatory subject header with this edit in regards to J3D's comments in regards to his failed sysop promotion bid. If I am correct, doing this kind of thing is considered Vandalism on any page, and I think it's even more blatant on a high profile page like a Sysop promotion bid. Also, please note that Grim admits that creating this subject heading was wrong on J3D's Talk page, here.

If Grim had simply changed/reverted the offensive subject header, thus admitting he made a mistake and just letting it pass -- I wouldn't feel compelled to bring this here. However, his "apologies" and alleged "owning up to" the edit IMO actually amount to a duplicitous, backhanded kind of escalation up the bad faith.

And, I'm sorry... I realise this is going to cause a lot of drama... And the last thing I want is to inflame the dramafest already surrounding this promotion bid. Sincerely. Whether you believe me or not, I really am not happy bringing this case to VB... But I honestly don't think it should just be let go... Thanks. --WanYao 14:23, 28 July 2008 (BST)

I labelled it as mine, So theres no impersonation. I told him on his talk he could change it. There is no civility policy on this wiki. There is no "be nice to each other" policy on this wiki. Far worse things have happened and gone on on this wiki, so this is really just pathetic. Being petty, as they say. "J3D's moaning" is pretty much an accurate description given the content of his post, which is full of misunderstandings and stillborn attempted flames based on those. --The Grimch U! E! 14:27, 28 July 2008 (BST)

Wan, this is the pettiest complaint I have seen lodged on this page. You are just trying to stir up drama. If you seriously thought this was something you needed to have brought to justice you would have taken it to Misconduct instead. But you can barely spin this into a pathetic attempt at a vandalism case, much less misconduct.

Talk:Suggestions page has had worse headlines to break up the WALL OF TEXT "discussions" and I don't see you whining about that. As a matter of fact, many of the replies you have had lately on the Talk:Suggestions pages have been worse than what Grim said. Should we start launching VB cases on every little hurt feeling and insult?

I'm not acknowledging this as a legitimate complaint. Don't feed the trolls and maybe they will piss off.--– Nubis NWO 14:47, 28 July 2008 (BST)

Let me make a few things clear here.

  1. This is not a misconduct case because it involves no use or abuse of sysop powers. The guildelines for Misconduct are VERY clear here, and I followed them to the letter and in the spirit.
  2. I brought this case here under the impression that to change a header on a Talk page, particularly to something offensive, was vandalism. If I was correct, then this is a legitimate case, because the creation of such a header is a variant of the aforementioned. If I am wrong, however, then I am fucking idiot and deserve whatever scorn I get... bring it on.
  3. This is not a personal vendetta on ANY level. It is a purely procedural case, that just happens to be against a high profile user. If that's "petty"... Well... fine... Call me whatever adjectives you please. And... furthermore, I don't give a flying fuck about the drama that backgrounds this case... and any attempt by other parties to bring it in here and create a flame-war is, well, lame. That applies to EVERYONE... Even if I can't stop people... This about the header, pure and simple.

That's all. --WanYao 15:00, 28 July 2008 (BST)

Please point me to where we have a civility policy, because I swear it was rejected. It should be obvious to everyone that Grim created the header so no impersonation took place here, being offensive is not vandalism. Is it offensive? To some people. Is it bad form? Possible. Is it vandalism? No.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 15:07, 28 July 2008 (BST)

Why not follow the guidelines of A/VB to the letter and spirit, too?

  • As much as is practical, assume good faith and try to iron out problems with other users one to one, only using this page as a last resort.

What other actions did you take to iron this out before you completed your civic duty and brought it here? I don't see you posting about it under your header on Grim's talk page. I didn't even see a reply on J3D's page that you link above. And Grim saying "I could have handled that better" is a far cry from saying he was "wrong" as you try to spin. Give the "this is procedural" bit a rest until you actually do follow procedure. --– Nubis NWO 15:23, 28 July 2008 (BST)


Disc10 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Admitted impersonation. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 22:17, 25 July 2008 (BST)

Also persistent vandal, request 24 hour block. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 22:17, 25 July 2008 (BST)
Vandalism - Warned for impersonation. I don't think we've got the 24 hour block thing for impersonation. That's only if they're actively blanking shit. -- Cheese 22:21, 25 July 2008 (BST)
The block was requested because he was actively re-vandalising sections that had been fixed from his previous vandalism. I had an appointment at the bar, so wasn't able to continue fixing things. He stopped anyway, so it's academic. Cheers Cheese. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 01:55, 26 July 2008 (BST)
I have got Disc10 sitting opposite me and he doesn't know what the fak your talking about vs. impersonation, he is quite clear he removed an offensive statment - and removed it again when it got put back despite being offensive - because apprantly you have the right to be totaly offensive as long as your in with the admin team.--Gerrant 22:37, 28 July 2008 (BST)
People have the right to be totally offensive, period. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 22:49, 28 July 2008 (BST)
So I see, now I have had a look around this site so I retract my point about clearng offensive statments - however that complaint is below against Disc10. What the heck is this inpersonation crud then?--Gerrant 22:53, 28 July 2008 (BST)
Impersonation on a wiki includes altering a statement made by a user to make it seem they said something that they didn't (which he did) or signing someone else's name to a comment. When in doubt, don't touch anyone else's post and you should be ok.--– Nubis NWO 01:32, 29 July 2008 (BST)


Disc10 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Deleting another user's post from a community page without good reason and with obvious premeditated intent. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 21:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)

Vandalism - Warned for screwing with another users posts. -- Cheese 22:20, 25 July 2008 (BST)


Danceyman (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

I hate to bring this here, but spam/propanganda outside of a group/user page when the group does not appear on the stats page and is threfore unconfirmed. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 01:23, 23 July 2008 (BST)

Warned - Creating a group page for another group specifically for the purpose of decalring them PKers and kill on sight is not made in good faith, especially when it seems they dont want to have an article (Since they plain didnt). Please submit the article for speedy deletion under crit 1 and ill nuke it there too. --The Grimch U! E! 01:37, 23 July 2008 (BST)


Lorekeep1 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Censoring other users' comments on a community page without good reason -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 23:31, 22 July 2008 (BST)

A separate and successive incident. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 23:38, 22 July 2008 (BST)

Left a note on the talk page. Next incident of comment removal will be a warning. If he can't handle criticism then the suggestion should be removed as it will be pointless to leave it on a talk page. --– Nubis NWO 23:40, 22 July 2008 (BST)
Hmm, yes. Also new, looking over the contributions and discussion. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:42, 22 July 2008 (BST)
The notion of a community talk page is that such criticism should be public and left for the community to read until it is cycled by the established process. Otherwise such suggestions should be placed in a user's namespace. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 23:44, 22 July 2008 (BST)


Kurtswx2 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Three vandalisms (a wipe, and two insulting references) on the private user page of Suburban Ed.

Insult #1

Content being wiped from the page

Insult #2

These seem like bad faith to me, but I'll let our sysop crew be the judge o' dat. Also, you might want to check his old contributions as well. Looks like more of the same. Ottari DA PDA NW Read the Dispatch!

There is only one contributive edit in there, and thats an edit to the suburb page signed with a false name. Unfortunately, this means no insta perma. Warned instead. --The Grimch U! E! 14:22, 20 July 2008 (BST)
Forgive the back-seat sysoping... but... signing a post under a false name is pretty bad faith, is it not? Unless it might have been an error... but that's bloody unlikely... --WanYao 15:26, 21 July 2008 (BST)
The name he signed under isn't a user, probably one of his characters. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:15, 21 July 2008 (BST)


Mari (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)



Page is the SARG page. Reverted the vandalism.

- User:Whitehouse 12:14, 20 July 2008 (BST)

Warned--– Nubis NWO 13:07, 20 July 2008 (BST)


SylarSrden (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)


Vandalized the SARG page 5 times. Defaced it almost in its entirety. Check out his recent contribs?

--Texasxdoom 00:58, 20 July 2008 (BST)

Vandalism Treated as a single incident for the moment, another Sysop may not be so inclined. Warned Conndrakamod TTBA CFT 01:34, 20 July 2008 (BST)
He might be using puppets to do it now, like http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Mari

--Texasxdoom 19:36, 20 July 2008 (BST)

User:Rotten zerg

Rotten zerg (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Blanked Special Event Hoster. -- Cheese 13:21, 19 July 2008 (BST)

Had a word with the user and he says that he created the page (using a different account) and wanted it deleted. I've said to him to either post it on deletions with an explanation or on SD under the original account name. Therefore this is Not Vandalism until found to be otherwise. -- Cheese 13:32, 19 July 2008 (BST)
Uuhm... fair enough... sort of... But... uh... Why is he using multiple accounts? **cough** sock **cough** puppetry **cough** **cough** --WanYao 15:25, 21 July 2008 (BST)
Actually, the difference is if he actually uses the multiple accounts. Using one account on it's own is fine, but if you use both accounts and are caught doing it, that would be sock puppetry. Kevan has two accounts, and yet he only uses one, therefore he is not sockpuppeting. --User:Axe27/Sig 21:33, 21 July 2008 (BST)
I have 3. :) The other two were just for testing stuff though. -- Cheese 08:08, 26 July 2008 (BST)
You're allowed to have multiple accounts, you aren't allowed to use them for ban evasion.--Karekmaps?! 11:30, 26 July 2008 (BST)


Lostcauseman (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Impersonation/fucking with an Admin page -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 00:45, 19 July 2008 (BST)

^^ Persistent vandalism (hidden links), temp block please. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 00:52, 19 July 2008 (BST)

Warned. Any more edits of this nature today and you get a 24 hour cool off period for being an active vandal. What happened to your little threat of taking your toys and going home?--– Nubis NWO 00:59, 19 July 2008 (BST)

Taking my toys and going home? LOL! I'm on my way out, just really enjoying how ridiculously silly this wiki is. OMG a cheater!!!! lol idiots. The problem with games like this is that there is no real threat to the players. You delete my character.. BIG WOOP I make another. You ban my account on the forums cause I disagree with you... BIG WOOP I make another. Tell you what, promise, regardless of what anyone says and how stupid I think their comments are.

This is truly my last comment. Ban me to make sure if you want. Oh and check out the game tomorrow at midnight (my time). There will be quite a few "The Grimch is an ass###"'s walking around Monroeville. Got a few friends who are going to participate, should be really fun. So far it's going to be 480 IP address hits (approximately 240 characters). Maybe I can get a few more people to join in. Expect the survivor count to go up too! :D --Lostcauseman 01:24, 19 July 2008 (BST)

Request ban under Crit 6, evidence above. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 01:30, 19 July 2008 (BST)
Iscariot, that doesn't quite seem like it fits the ban request under crit 6. (at least not how I read it - the guideline and his comment) He can't even tell the difference between a group page and a talk page, UD the game and the UD wiki. I'm going to believe that that it is his last comment and not ban the account. Besides, maybe he can be redeemed and see that cheating isn't the way to make UD fun. --– Nubis NWO 05:07, 19 July 2008 (BST)
Sheesh, you're sounding like more of a hippie than even me, nubis, WTF? Don't count on him "reforming"... Just let him think he's special and smarter than all of us and ban him if he vandalises. And not give a fuck about him in-game, cuz, well, like, no one gives a fuck about people like him. LOLz. --WanYao 15:30, 21 July 2008 (BST)
I was in a good mood for once. It was short lived. Besides, I believe in the "give 'em enough rope" theory. --– Nubis NWO 00:26, 23 July 2008 (BST)


Lostcauseman (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Edited a group page in which he was not a member of. He shouldn't have replied to something on the group page. He should have replied on the group's talk page. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 21:56, 18 July 2008 (BST)

Not Vandalism - I'm reckoning newbie mistake. I'll leave a helpful note on his page for next time though. If he does it again, it will be vandalism. -- Cheese 22:01, 18 July 2008 (BST)
I already left a note on his groups talk page, explaining its vandalismness. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:44, 18 July 2008 (BST)

Moved to Talk Page--– Nubis NWO 01:17, 19 July 2008 (BST)

User:Grim s

(Again retitled, as on A/M - Grimch)

Grim s (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

The discussion section of this page is getting flamed by one of your sysops. I have asked The Grimch to stop cursing and making a mockery of the page but he persists. He also will not stop reverting the edits I make to his langauge (I bleep it out with *'s) and has threatened that he will supposedly report me for vandalism. His actions are not very admin-like and I find his behaviour repulsive. The page is recieving an incredible number of hits (before it was moved it was at 1030, then in it's new location it is up to 300+) and that was in only 5 days of being active. I will be leaving the wiki soon as well as this game because the Survivors of Newtown were my one last attempt at making this game fun. We had a large group of players supporting us and it was turning out to be a cool survival group. Mr. Grimch thinks he can bully others around because of his status on this wiki, which is not something to be proud of. He is under the misguided impression that we are cheating (I disagreed but stated that the group would stop such actions), and so he has gone on a crusade to destroy our discussion page with slander. I hope that he receives some kind of repremand, though I won't really be present to see what happens anyway. Thank you, for some of your admins are respectable and fair in dealing with people new to the site. --Lostcauseman 20:14, 18 July 2008 (BST)

You cheated, i called you on it and asked you to cease and desist. You didnt like my language, but im allowed to express myself however the hell i like and you cant stop me. You can delete my posts off the page if you like but thats about it. You used that discretionary ability once and i didnt cause a stir about it. Yes i was being confrontational, yes i was being shocking, because to be blunt you are a zerger and i called you out on it in that manner in the hopes of shocking you out of it, because honey nets so very, very few ants in this community. You abused alt information. You used alts to sheild your group during a move. You are a Zerger. You could have changed that but instead you tried to rationalise that what you were doing was OK. Even now you are still doing it. Yes i was mean. Yes, i was abrasive, but that doesnt make what i was doing bad faith. I directly informed you when you were crossing lines and had the decency not to report you for it on either occasion when you crossed it. If i was out to get you, doing all this in bad faith, i would not have given a second thought to doing so, getting you crucified for it. You have a lovely evening, and go have your little sook elsewhere. --The Grimch U! E! 20:49, 18 July 2008 (BST)
Not Vandalism - Grim can be as sweary as he wants. We have no civility policy so it's not against the rules to be rude or swear a blue streak. You may not like the language he uses but it's best just to ignore it. Don't edit his posts either. That is a no-no. This is more of a case for Arbies than VB and Misconduct. -- Cheese 22:07, 18 July 2008 (BST)

EXCEPT that the posts I edited were on my GROUP page. Also, I've been deleting posts on there every few days because zombies were getting a lot of information from them. SORRY guess this wiki isn't for me. I'm kind of confused as to why you can't delete posts on your group page, as anyone could mess up anyone's page then. To be honest though, if I asked any other admin to stop cursing on my page they would, but not Grim, he's special or something. Doesn't matter anyway, Grmi is an asshat and always will be. Would you like fries with that? Oh wait, sorry, that's your line. Or are you up to washing lettuce these days? --Lostcauseman 23:58, 18 July 2008 (BST)

Learn the difference between a TALK page (under the tab discussion) and a GROUP page (under the tab project page). Editing a group page may be vandalism, but talk pages are within reason free for all users. (this includes profanity)--– Nubis NWO 00:06, 19 July 2008 (BST)

THE PROBLEM IS that zombies were getting information from my talk page and this is a survivor page. I had to delete posts to protect my group members. It's ok though I'm done with this fucking assbackwards wiki. --Lostcauseman 00:40, 19 July 2008 (BST)


King6273 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

infected swarm page blank.--xoxo 03:14, 18 July 2008 (BST)

Vandalism, Several other edits are questionable as well. Warned Conndrakamod TTBA CFT 07:59, 18 July 2008 (BST)


Calem (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

1 His other edits to the page are questionable, but this one is clearly bad faith. --PdeqTalk* 17:22, 16 July 2008 (BST)

Warned by Krazy -- boxy talki 15:18 21 July 2008 (BST)


RobertMugabe (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Bad edit. Possible alt accounts, but I haven't the time. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:11, 16 July 2008 (BST)

Warned, Conndrakamod TTBA CFT 16:04, 16 July 2008 (BST)

User:Stealth Assassin

Stealth Assassin (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

[Vandalism]. Also prompted the attack by User:Icarusfountain from this action. --Arcology 02:16, 15 July 2008 (BST)

The latter is irrelevant. As for the actual diff. Also vandalism. Warned --The Grimch U! E! 03:30, 15 July 2008 (BST)


Icarusfountain (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Vandalising this page and possibly others. --Arcology 02:10, 15 July 2008 (BST)

Blanked the same page. --Arcology 02:19, 15 July 2008 (BST)
I have to say, I only vandalized the AoF wiki page as a retaliation for their vandalism, both on the wiki and in the UD world. They have been "tagging" locations with links to bestiality porn, and I know that people under 18 play this game (including some of my relatives, whom I introduced to the game). I feel it should also be noted that I have never vandalized any other page, only this one, and only in response to their provocation. --Icarusfountain 02:44, 15 July 2008 (BST)
Two wrongs dont make a right. Vandalism. Warned --The Grimch U! E! 03:27, 15 July 2008 (BST)


Cyberbob240 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

For this edit -- spamming up an admin page, i.e. J3D's nomination. This is clearly trolling and in obvious bad faith. It's well past time to clamp down on this kind of bullshit trolling. But do you have the fucking guts?? I wonder... The excuse that being a jerk =/= vandalism has to go and is just that: an excuse. And a pathetic and cowardly one at that. Permitting this kind of stuff is EXACTLY why wiki community has so little faith in the admin team and generally thinks of the wiki as a complete joke. Take a stand. For fuck sake. --WanYao 22:22, 14 July 2008 (BST)

As one of the more vocal detractors of faith in the admin team, I feel I am an involved party here. For the admin team to make a stand as Wan Yao puts it, would not be a constructive way to go. The community would feel that the admin team would be bypassing the procedures put in place for their own convenience and self aggrandisement, and we had enough of that with Hagnat in power. The correct path from here is not A/VB, but to propose a more accurate vandalism policy. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 22:50, 14 July 2008 (BST)
Working from precedent this is vandalism. Spamming Admin pages is a no-no. Bob knows this and has been told many times to stop. As a result of his continued asshattedness and unwillingness to follow the rules he can have a 24 hour ban. -- Cheese 23:00, 14 July 2008 (BST)
Thank you, Cheese. See, that was my point. His edit was vandalism, according to established procedure. But I have seen many similar edits be allowed to go by the wayside... Which is exactly the source of my frustration. That's the thing... There are established rules to deal with this stuff, but they are not being enforced properly... Which is why I am being a dick -- to kinda like wake people up. --WanYao 23:33, 14 July 2008 (BST)
Just for the record, I actually think the people comprising current team have the wherewithall ... for the most part ... My criticisms are not so much personal as they are institutional. If that makes sense... --WanYao 23:46, 14 July 2008 (BST)


Iamgreat1990 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Vandalism. This edit was already reverted by another user but Iamgreat1990 hasn't been reported yet. From the sole contribution, this person is very likely an alt. --Arcology 17:28, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Warned - no evidence of sockpuppetry -- boxy talki 03:39 15 July 2008 (BST)


Korstakov (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Blanking Order Of the Specter. --Arcology 06:07, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Looking deeper, it seems his group had a fight with that, over which they disbanded. He also removed them from the suburb groups template, which i have reverted also. Warned. --The Grimch U! E! 10:58, 14 July 2008 (BST)


Sexylegsread (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

LOL impersonation --/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 01:51, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Not Vandalism - Rather petty and old, don't you think? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:54, 14 July 2008 (BST)
Somewhat petty, but still bad faith... and who cares if its old? I didn't notice it till now...--/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 02:12, 14 July 2008 (BST)
lol...I think Jeds ok with it. haha--CyberRead240 07:13, 14 July 2008 (BST)
Lolol --/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 01:59, 15 July 2008 (BST)


TexasXViewXFinis (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Creating St. Analtasius' Royal Guard page solely as a mockery of the St. Anastasius' Royal Guard.--Luke Skywalker 21:44, 13 July 2008 (BST)

Evidently he is also an alt judging by his contributions. --Arcology 02:38, 14 July 2008 (BST)
Or is Finis just sad that someone also took that name? DanceDanceRevolution 07:08, 16 July 2008 (BST)

I'd say vandalism... any decenters? -- boxy talki 15:33 21 July 2008 (BST)

Not Vandalism - I'm not convinced, parody is allowed, is it not? Project UnWelcome for example, and this could be an actual group. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:17, 21 July 2008 (BST)
Indeed, if you can't show harassment you have no reason to assume it's for anything beyond a good laugh. So here's you obligatory Not Vandalism.--Karekmaps?! 18:17, 21 July 2008 (BST)


Ellaandcharlie (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Appears to be an alt of GomerPyle41 below. -- Cheese 19:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)

No not an alt of mine, just appears someone obtained my password for a night. No further trouble from me.
But yeah you could check this IP or something i dunno...--GomerPyle41 01:54, 14 July 2008 (BST)
Both things are irrelevant, there's no vandalism here(Not Vandalism, nothing to be banned). Change your password and don't give it out in the future if that is in fact the case as there's nothing we can do about the protecting you from the actions of another user on your account in a case like this.--Karekmaps?! 02:15, 14 July 2008 (BST)
Already done.--GomerPyle41 02:17, 14 July 2008 (BST)


GomerPyle41 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Creating this nonsense page.--Luke Skywalker 09:48, 13 July 2008 (BST)

i r not vandal. ily finis. i backed u up!!! brb.--xodontsleepxo 09:50, 13 July 2008 (BST)
Really? I don't see how posting the same thing on User talk:Sexylegsread as well is a good faith edit? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:54, 13 July 2008 (BST)
BOOBIES IS A GROUP. I MAID IT. fixed ur formatting too ;) --xodontsleepxo 09:55, 13 July 2008 (BST)
And now spamming up vandal banning? clever. You forgot to sign the below post. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:57, 13 July 2008 (BST)
After this report, he changed it to make it appear legitimate. Wonder if he'll fool anyone.--Luke Skywalker 10:00, 13 July 2008 (BST)

Warned - and also a temporary 2hr ban to stop this sort of arsebanditry -- boxy talki 10:01 13 July 2008 (BST)

He also nailed my talk page as well. --The Grimch U! E! 10:34, 13 July 2008 (BST)


J3D (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Messing with the format of my talk page by pasting the content of Amusing Locations in Malton page on it.--Luke Skywalker 08:05, 12 July 2008 (BST)

Warned - It appears to have been intentionally substed in. I cant see a way to do that by accident. --The Grimch U! E! 08:11, 12 July 2008 (BST)
errr whats substed in? If you meant pasted on his talk page then yeah i did that (duh) but i don't see why that is worthy of a warning. I mean it's anti-social but so is finis deleting everything of substance off his page as soon as he possibly can.--xoxo 08:24, 12 July 2008 (BST)
People are allowed to remove stuff from their talk pages if they like, you were being, by your own admission, intentionally disruptive. Please dont be. --The Grimch U! E! 08:41, 12 July 2008 (BST)


Firetwig (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Impersonating a sysop and horribly, horribly breaking the VB page by using his entire user page as a signature. -- Cheese 14:53, 11 July 2008 (BST)

Not Vandalism - Having had to clean up a few of his sigs and add timestamps to them, it is very obvious that he accidentally used the wrong kind of brackets when he manually typed his sig (example, another example). As for posting a ruling, thats not on, but that also isnt vandalism. Thats a note on his talk page not to make rulings on administrative pages (Soft warnings come later). Such a note is being left now. --The Grimch U! E! 15:25, 11 July 2008 (BST)


Alan (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Fucking about with one of the Fortress's group pages. Seems to have a vendetta against Trenchies. -- Cheese 10:54, 11 July 2008 (BST)

Warned -- boxy talki 02:58 12 July 2008 (BST)


Firetwig (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

I'm the devil but Firetwig is a vandal. Impersonation --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 18:16, 10 July 2008 (BST)

Also Vandalism. Do not imprsonate other users Firetwig. Warned. --The Grimch U! E! 18:22, 10 July 2008 (BST)

Ok. I thought since it was on my own page it wouldn't matter. But if it still counts then I won't do it again. --Firetwig


Cyberbob240 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Concerning the below mentioned template that my friend and I made. My friend made a template (I updated it) about how Saromu is the Devil, it may sound distasteful but I imagine that Sonny got a kick our of it. Now I already fixed it so it says what it had said before Cyberbob240 came and messed it up. Here is the link: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Template:Saromu_is_Devil But if I already fixed it do I still have a case? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Firetwig (talkcontribs) 18:09, 10 July 2008 (BST)

Vandalism - Heres the diff link. You should have included that in your report and signed it. To bob: Dont vandalise templates, please. --The Grimch U! E! 18:20, 10 July 2008 (BST)
Vandalism - As Grim. It's Firetwig's page so don't go and completely change his message. -- Cheese 18:23, 10 July 2008 (BST)

I notice you guys left my <noinclude> tags. Funny that. --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 22:45, 10 July 2008 (BST)


Firetwig (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Template:Saromu is Devil

Obvious bad faith template. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 23:48, 9 July 2008 (BST)

Not Vandalism. Give it a rest Sonny. Personal attack templates have never been barred before, why should this be any different? --The Grimch U! E! 03:42, 10 July 2008 (BST)
Actually, there might be precedence for this. It was a while back, there was a whole fiasco about attack templates. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:45, 10 July 2008 (BST)
Nope, If they were id have taken Tselita to task about the ten or so she made to attack me, and Akule to task over the one he made for me (You can find that in my userpage now), and Bobs ancient one which i recovered and placed on my events page. None of those were vandalism, and they were all far more blatant than this one. If we arent going to lift a finger about flaming, then we arent going to lift a finger about templates. --The Grimch U! E! 04:12, 10 July 2008 (BST)
Remember the Amazing templates Scinfaxi and Jjames made? Those were taken down. So were the images of Amazing in a Dress. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 05:13, 10 July 2008 (BST)
Not for an administrative reason. I was a sysop back then, you know. --The Grimch U! E! 12:15, 10 July 2008 (BST)
Wait, what? This template was a joke. I thought you liked it, since you added it to your page and all. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 23:33, 10 July 2008 (BST)

Well there may be a vandalism case now that Bob has changed it... much funnier tho ;) --Honestmistake 11:21, 10 July 2008 (BST)

Firetwig here, My friend who was ex DORIS made that template and asked if I would put it on. I did for a couple reasons. One being he was my friend and two being I disagree with Sonny's views. I imagine that Sonny was pumped when he saw that someone made a template saying someone hated him. Somebody made one saying similair things to me and I was excited that someone hated me so much that I added it to my own wiki page! --Firetwig 18:01, 10 July 2008 (BST)

No. I cried and I had to go to a therapist. My psychiatrist put me on Zoloft to deal with the depression and anxiety. Thanks for being so inconsiderate. BAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 18:19, 10 July 2008 (BST)

User:Super Nweb

Super Nweb (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

vandalism --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 23:32, 9 July 2008 (BST)

Looks like he was editing the guide so it didn't support zerging. --Sir Bob Fortune RR 00:02, 10 July 2008 (BST)
I realize that. But it isn't his page. It's a page supported by a group. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 00:13, 10 July 2008 (BST)

Not vandalism - given that the edit was done in good faith to remove advice on cheating on a community page. The only place it links from is a guide page, and it isn't located in a group sub-page location, so it's a community page that can be edited by anyone (even if it's bad form to mess with other people's projects without their go ahead). If the author wants it as his own private page that others cant touch, he's either got to have it moved to a user or group sub-page -- boxy talki 02:40 10 July 2008 (BST)


Sindarei (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Check contributions. All vandalism towards suburb pages. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 05:21, 9 July 2008 (BST)

And it is now going on half an hour of him vandalizing and not a single sysop online to fix this problem. Remind me again, why do we drive away sysops and refuse to get new ones that are active? --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 05:50, 9 July 2008 (BST)
B&. --ZsL 06:29, 9 July 2008 (BST)
Danke --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 06:35, 9 July 2008 (BST)

User:Kylie Kutter

Kylie Kutter (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Almost all of their contributions are vandalism to a group page.--Luke Skywalker 17:44, 8 July 2008 (BST)

Permabanned. Have a pleasant evening. -- Cheese 17:46, 8 July 2008 (BST)

User:Taco man

Taco man (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Here --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 18:57, 7 July 2008 (BST)

Not Vandalism - Looks like he was aiming for your talk page and missed. Badly. I'll leave him a helpful reminder/note thingy to keep him from doing it again. -- Cheese 19:01, 7 July 2008 (BST)


J3D (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Beep Beep Partah Van coming THROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUGH at least Iscariot had a reason, even if it was vague... --/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 17:05, 7 July 2008 (BST)

Wouldn't mind this case being turned into one for Iscariot, if you ask me. DanceDanceRevolution 17:29, 7 July 2008 (BST)
Iscariot didn't do anything, his wasn't bad faith... J3D on the other hand, he did it just to be a dick towards Iscariot... overall bad faith edit...--/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 18:48, 7 July 2008 (BST)

Vandalism - Making a stupid case against a stupid case is very stupid and similar to Iscariot's there is no way the case can proceed fairly making it just as bad as the case it set out to counter, thereby solving nothing. -- Cheese 18:20, 7 July 2008 (BST)


Iscariot (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

For spaming up Arbitration with non-serious cases after they were removed. The case cannot be take seriously on the grounds that, 1) Iscariot claims that everyone on the wiki is the other party, 2) There was no clearly stated reason for arbitration, his inital statement was "Regarding suburb pages", and 3) Looking at his last 250 contributions (extending back to the 15th of May) have not had anything to do with suburb pages (the most recent edit to a suburb page was 18:41, 4 May 2008 as far as I can tell). In addition there has been no attempt to rectify any perceived issue on his behalf with the users of the wiki. I have left the page as is since I don't want it to turn into an edit war. There are other, better places to have a joke. - Jedaz - 05:23/7/07/2008

LIES! I've made an edit to a suburb page within the last week. Nice to see Reading 101 is really paying off for you there chet....
I'd like to know where you get the impression that the case is not serious. I invite you to look at the possible development in the third case in the page to be able to discern the reason for my own. I had nothing to do with the creation of J3D's counter case, but I invite you to show us the precedent for your removing of cases in progress against the established cycling procedure.... What's that? No, I didn't think you could.
This is the first time someone else has brought me to A/VB, given my lack of faith in the administration pages and in the sysops I can't wait to see which way the coin lands for this decision.
Also, I'm directly involved in his case, so can post as much as I want here...:) -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 17:59, 7 July 2008 (BST)
Precedent. And funnily enough, I think my case was much more serious than this one. Also, stop playing the persecuted victim. It's not gaining you any sympathy. -- Cheese 18:03, 7 July 2008 (BST)
Wasn't talking to you. Go looking for your stolen sheep. Also as none of you have actually ascertained the reasons why the case is relevant, I'd thank members of the administrating team who are not ruling to refrain from inferring bias to sway any decision. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 18:07, 7 July 2008 (BST)
The case is not relevant. If you want to discuss suburb pages, go to Open Discussion or Policy Discussion. Arbitration is purely for solving edit disputes. Since I don't see you being involved in any relevant edit disputes, I can come to the reasonable conclusion that you are just attempting to be a jackass and get some attention by posting a case that cannot proceed past arbitrator selection. If everyone else on the wiki is the opposing side then it would not be ethical or fair for them to arbitrate. As a result, I rule this to be blatant Vandalism on the grounds of spamming the Arbitration pages in bad faith. -- Cheese 18:18, 7 July 2008 (BST)
It's a shame I can't drag you to A/M for lack of logical reasoning. Also you speech about the ethics and fairness of someone involved in a case also arbitrating is nieve at best and blatant ignorance at worst. You might have a point if I had rejected anyone, you'll actually find I've accepted someone in order to further the process... but lack of rational thinking doesn't seem to be a crime ffor our trusted users. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 18:25, 7 July 2008 (BST)
No matter how much you whinge, moan and complain you will not change my mind. Resorting to personal attacks is not the way to go about things. Now please, accept my ruling and stop playing the victim. If you don't like the way things are run with "stupid syops" and "rules" then leave. It'd only take a single click to go to a different site or close the browser. -- Cheese 18:37, 7 July 2008 (BST)
I oppose Krazy Monkey's ruling. Until such time as he outlines his case we have absolutely no way of determining if the case is stupid or not, or made in bad faith. This is a very, very clear case of someone assuming bad faith right from the get go and then looking for stuff to support that assumption, which is a direct violation of A/G. I encourage Iscariot to make his case and arguments plain as soon as possible to put this matter to rest. He should have done it right at the start. The only vandalism here was done by Jedaz and yourself in removing them in the first place. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 03:11, 8 July 2008 (BST)

Even giving my very low opinion of Arbitration and the cesspool that it is I don't see how anyone can say that making an arby case is vandalism. If a user feels that they have an issue that needs attention how can anyone say they are wrong? Most of arby's cases are "my feelings were hurt by this user" since most other issues are resolved by logic or consensus. If a case is truly stupid then everyone will decline to "arbitrait" it and it will go away. I think it is a slippery slope to tell users that they can't post any arby case when it is still being used to settle personal matters. I look at this particular case like Jorm's stupid policy policy. Let it develop and see where it goes before you jump on the bandwagon. I guess I'll throw out a Not Vandalism here to counter Cheese.--– Nubis NWO 03:44, 8 July 2008 (BST)

Anyone remember the "Deletions page for deletion" fiasco? Messing with admin pages in this way has always been seen as vandalsim even when it has a point behind it and I don't really think introducing "value judgements" is always a good idea if we are going to aim for fairness. That said I don't think anything more than a slap on the wrist is really caled for. --Honestmistake 09:35, 8 July 2008 (BST)

Not Vandalism the first time, just remove it and make it clear that it's not to happen again. Precedent.--Karekmaps?! 14:15, 8 July 2008 (BST)

Not vandalism - but only barely. Replacing J3D's joke arby case was totally unjustified... his own only barely justified at the time, and seeing as Iscariot hasn't elaborated on what his problem is with the whole wiki and suburb pages since, I've removed the two case again (actually moved them to the talk page). If he replaces J3D's again, I will view it as vandalism, if he replaces his own without giving a decent overview as to his problem, I may well view that as vandalism too. Make it good, or take it to the talk page, where I moved it to -- boxy talki 14:19 8 July 2008 (BST)

The fact that a sysop can arbitrarily decide which cases are valid and which cases are not in a system designed to be free from moderation is a development I find disturbing, and one that can only have negative consequences in the future. Particularly when there are procedures in place to cycle cases already built into the page. This is a clear indication of the sysop team moving from a position of trust and maintenance into one of moderation in my mind, this is not good for the community. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 22:51, 10 July 2008 (BST)

User:The One

The One (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Wiped Sinclair Hotels. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 22:47, 5 July 2008 (BST)

Changed content of Sinclair Hotels/Channel 11 Sinclair News. - User:Whitehouse 23:04, 5 July 2008 (BST)
It looks like one of the Sock Puppets IP addresses. Don't know how though. Pretty sure we blocked them all. -- Cheese 23:41, 5 July 2008 (BST)
I has a hunch! Around the same time, An edit by User:The Cop was made to The Sinclair Motel. Though, I must admit, A "huge" group with a billion pages gets annoying. But page blanking is pointless, Didn't Acoustic Pie and Cheese say something about fixing that? History, What about Terminal Failure? 19:27, 6 July 2008 (BST)


Blake_Firedancer (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Impersonation. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 02:06, 5 July 2008 (BST)

Could you really call this impersonation? It seems to me like Blake was just trying to make sure nobodies wiki crashed. Bad faith? I don't think so.--Nitro378 T JNL 10:27, 5 July 2008 (BST)
It was something I added so that no-one thought that this particular template was deleted for the reason all the others were up for deletion. I certainly didn't mean to impersonate anyone. Besides, as the guy who submitted that template page for deletion, I figured I'd put up the explanation. --Blake Firedancer T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T. 11:21, 5 July 2008 (BST)
Not vandalism - Iscariot, please learn the definition of impersonation before bringing pointless cases to Vandal Banning. They just clog up the page and are a waste of time ruling on. Thank you. -- Cheese 12:09, 5 July 2008 (BST)
The definition of impersonation? How about I quote directly from precedent?
You can't alter another poster's signed post. Period.
What's that? Written precedent and prior decisions have no bearing on this wiki? Colour me shocked and amazed. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 13:02, 5 July 2008 (BST)
This is not impersonation. The page in question was deleted because it crashed the wiki. Striking it from the list is not impersonation. Now stop attempting to backseat sysop and be quiet. -- Cheese 14:33, 5 July 2008 (BST)

User:Z1nk666, User:Zinker and User:Rrnman

Z1nk666 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss){{Zinker (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)Rrnman (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Confirmed alt of Novascotia. Looks like Boxy missed him in the month ban thingy. I've applied it to this guy as well. Ban circumvention. -- Cheese 22:50, 3 July 2008 (BST)

I'll ban the other two as well, just so that every avenue is covered. -- Cheese 22:59, 3 July 2008 (BST)
Out of curiosity, isn't Rrnman an alt of Ahrimmagicks? --Sir Bob Fortune RR 23:13, 3 July 2008 (BST)
Not sure. Where do you get that from? If he is, then it's permabans all round. -- Cheese 23:18, 3 July 2008 (BST)
Look at Rrnman's contributions. There's an edit to Ahrimmagicks sock Austin's sig, a post on The Surgeon General's talkpage (Ahrimmagicks was briefly tutored by TSG through Project Mentor), there's an edit to Suicidalangel's talkpage (Ahrimmagicks was banned for vandalism to SA's userpage, and was always stealing code off him), and two edits to Zinker's userpage.
Look at Red Rev Net's history. Note how Ahrimmagicks is replaced by Austin, who, once banned, is replaced by Rrnman.
Finally, look at User:Rrnman/sandbox. Compare to Ahrimmagicks' userpage. Both crude code thefts from SA. --Sir Bob Fortune RR 23:32, 3 July 2008 (BST)
Nice one. I've been doing some digging of my own and came up with the Red Rev link and a few edits between pages as well. It may be circumstantial but at the very least shows some sort of connection between the accounts. An accidental edit here and there can bring a sock puppeteer down. I'll get some diffs and that should be case closed methinks. -- Cheese 23:38, 3 July 2008 (BST)
I give up trying to get decent diffs. All you need to do is just compare the contribs. They all match up. Its like he's talking to himself in places. I've also come across two more alts (User:Zink and User:Zinkthekiller and the most telling page of all User:Ahrimmagicks/Zinkthereviver. -- Cheese 00:05, 4 July 2008 (BST)
One more alt for you: 5483. There's also a link to Zinker's userpage in Ahrimmagicks' Nav Bar, and his fake "you have new messages" banner. --Sir Bob Fortune RR 00:11, 4 July 2008 (BST)
Omg...it's like a fucking sockpuppet theater. O_O -- Cheese 00:13, 4 July 2008 (BST)
Who the hell does that sort of crap and doesn't think they'll get caught out? DanceDanceRevolution 09:17, 4 July 2008 (BST)

Ruling here please. -- Cheese 18:22, 7 July 2008 (BST)

Ban circumvention - edited with an alt account after the main was banned for a month. I'm perm-banning all the known alts, and upping the ban on the main to a month from now. If any sysop wants to go for a permban vote, feel free, although I'd suggest starting it at the top of the page, so that it isn't buried down here -- boxy talki 15:47 21 July 2008 (BST)
I've left Novascotia with a month ban from now, while blocking the zinker alts permanently -- boxy talki 16:01 21 July 2008 (BST)

User:Wiki Guy

Wiki Guy (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

4 contribs at time of report, all vandalising a single groups page and subpages. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 18:56, 2 July 2008 (BST)

Four and Out... Permabanned. Conndrakamod TTBA CFT 19:22, 2 July 2008 (BST)