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February 2011


100kills (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Vandalt alt. Perma --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 14:44, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Checked the edits, Michealson reverted everything. Looks like it was another Cornholioo alt. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 14:48, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Quick question, do vandal alts like these normally get an entry into Vandal Data? I noticed the earlier vandal accounts from this month, April Jones and No, didn't get it. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 14:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

No, they don't. Bless corn, trying to declare his zerging group to be brilliant because they've killed people. I particularly like the career zombies with no survivor skills he's killed. He must be so proud. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:59, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

User:Bus driver Jim

Bus driver Jim (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Old school Spammer Returns. Perma'd. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:31, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

User:Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Vandal spree. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 01:13, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


DeathFromTurds (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Removing himself from text-raper list without permission by the RG/FANNY. I'd claim three edit rule, but would like a second opinion before taking such a harsh step as a permaban. -- Spiderzed 14:13, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Warned -- boxy talkteh rulz 14:17 18 February 2011 (BST)

A little guidance would have been nice. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 14:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and Spiderzed, this user doesn't comply with the three edit rule. It's very important you understand that rule before using it, as unintentionally patronising as I sound. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 14:20, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

The three edit rule is pretty simple... 3 edits, none of them "constructive" and at least one of them deamed to be vandalism. This guy has only edited once, and that is to remove potential "slander" against his "good" (lol) name. It's clearly vandalism, but doesn't warrent a permban, unless he comes back and continues in this vein. Occasionally these types of accounts get with the program, but it's rare. We've got to give them the chance to learn the rules.
That said, some accounts have been banned because they have made their intentions abundantly clear, even before editing 3 times. But they are special circumstances, not this, which is a run of the mill, in-game griefer -- boxy talkteh rulz 14:31 18 February 2011 (BST)
Have re-checked and seen it that it is a minimum of three edits, not a maximum of as I had in mind. (Not that I would have been the first to misapply it at first :p ) But as I consider permabans as a serve step, I'd first check back for a second opinion anyway, unless it is to stop an ongoing wild vandal spree. -- Spiderzed 14:33, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Yup. He did it again I think, UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct/Archive/Aichon/2010. Took it like a man. I miss aichon :( -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 14:36, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
I still check the main page every day or two. And edits to my talk page will get my attention still, even if I'm not around much elsewhere. Feel free to poke me at will. Aichon 07:19, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

User:Hagnat (2)

Hagnat (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Spamming admin pages. His bad faith is made even more clear by the context. --VVV RPGMBCWS 01:20, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Getting ridiculous. Vandalism, you have been soft warned already -- boxy talkteh rulz 01:29 18 February 2011 (BST)
Which retard invented and started issuing soft warnings anyway ? Ow... wait... --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 01:33, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism - Sigh. Hagnat, I know you know better than this... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:35, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Only because its your first vandal ruling as a sysop axe... u get to do me * blushes * --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 01:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism - -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 02:20, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Warned. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 03:07, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

That happened quickly. Just to do some back seat ruling Vandalism --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:52, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


AnimeSucks (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

for shitting admin pages with his faggotry and fake sysop powers, And i still want my sister back. --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 18:41, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Soft Warning hasn't had a escalation since 2006, generally a good kid. probably fell in with the wrong crowd.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 18:43, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

i ask for nothing but a perma!! --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 18:44, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Death by hot beef injection - God damn you Animu. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 18:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:58, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

u just upset--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 22:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Nobody messes with hagnat.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:41, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
^ This--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 22:42, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

vandalism - I guess. remember that ruling is serious business -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 23:44, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Soft Warning - intention was apparently more being humourous than shitting up A/VB in bad faith, but should still be discouraged. -- Spiderzed 04:15, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism - After trying to rule on the case below, and now doing it again, meh no more softies, time for a hard one. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 14:57, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean he did it again? ~Vsig.png 15:11, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
He first ruled on the case below, which I moved to the talk page. Then hagnat created this case, and Anime did it again on his own case no less (although some else has unbolded it now) while he knows he shouldn't. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 15:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Ah ok I see. Well users are able to comment on their own cases. See my comments below. I still don't think it's worth making a huge deal of. Sure, it should be discouraged. But Hagnat gets off with a softy and Anime doesn't? ~Vsig.png 15:31, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Unlike what Hagnat did ruling on cases when you're not a sysop is vandalism. Besides, he already got his soft warning when I moved his first "ruling" to the talk page. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 15:38, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
No it's not. Non-sysop rulings don't count, and are discouraged, but they're no more serious than non-op comments in general. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 15:42, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Soft Warning - I wasn't going to rule in this case because it is obviously was just a joke to begin with and not worth escalating over. I would have thought the other ops would recognize that and this would just fall off the vandal page at the end of the month. Seeind all the Valndalism rulings above I'm not sure that will happen. So I'm going to suggest a soft warning. Doesn't need to be escalated. ~Vsig.png 15:11, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

meh, they dont make sysops like they used to... where is the outrage and drama ? kill whityyyy !! --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 15:21, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Heh, sorry to disappoint. If it's any consolation, I could take your sister off his hands for you. I'll treat her reaaaaly goooood.~Vsig.png 15:31, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Softy --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

3 for a soft, 3 for a warning, and 1 for something I don't know. If mis doesn't clarify, where will that leave us in terms of action? -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 11:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Just soft-warn him. Need a distinct majority of Vandalism for it to be Vandalism. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 13:32, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
He's been softly warned. Basically, don't make a habit of messing with admin -- boxy talkteh rulz 13:51 18 February 2011 (BST)
...pages.--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 13:53, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
<sarcasm>--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 14:56, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
You're a funny little guy, ain't ya -- boxy talkteh rulz 14:12 18 February 2011 (BST)
</sarcasm>. Dunno about being funny, I try to be creative though --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 14:56, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


Hagnat (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

I may be humourless, but I'd like to request soft warning for his recent attempts at jokes [1] & [2], which I find to be unfunny and annoying on our more serious pages. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 09:19, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

still <3 u ddr :) --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 13:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Soft? yeah, sure. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:26, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

appreciated I guess, it's not like I mean anything personal, and your goofy stuff is welcome on the wiki, I'd just prefer it be away from making fake headers on admin pages. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 14:01, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
used to admin, know the drill... but its the admin pages where all the fun is, sooo... >:) --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 14:10, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Soft. Once in a while a joke on an admin page is fine, but with a second joke so quickly after the first it gains the potential to get out of hand. -- Spiderzed 14:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Whatever is softer than soft - Neither of these were genuinely disruptive and neither was intended to cause any ill effect. Especially the demotions one, since that's such a low traffic page, it's really not an issue for the occasional gaming. A/PM should probably be treated the same as other joke bids and left alone unless it becomes a serial issue. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 14:50, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Soft - Pretty much as Mis. Could just be handled on talk, really. Not even sure it needs escalations. ~Vsig.png 15:00, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Soft Warning --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

this vandalism case has brought more attention than the humorous comments. This wiki hasn`t changed a bit. I lieks it. --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 17:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay hagnat this is a sfot warning to please not disrupt admin pages by making odd and nonsensical headers for attention. If you do it again, you'll most likely get a warning out of it. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 23:41, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

is it ok if i do non-nonsensical headers abou nonsencial issues ? --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 23:46, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
no. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 23:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
what about nonsensical headers about non-nonsensical issues ? --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 01:11, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


Jackspear9 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Got into a bit of an edit war with DeWolf, likely with the knowledge of the arbies case, policy discussion and template discussion surrounding the BCH and the Dulson group listing fiasco. Said edit war ended with this edit, which I believe to be bad faith, as the intent was clearly to cause grief. ~Vsig.png 05:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Anyone talked to him? Not vandalism -- boxy talkteh rulz 06:24 14 February 2011 (BST)

Vandalism -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 09:18, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

This edit did it for me. Bad-faith. Vandalism --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 09:46, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism. But warning not perma in my opinion. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:41, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Just for the record, I won't rule as I deem myself as an involved party. -- Spiderzed 15:14, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Warned - ~Vsig.png 16:38, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


XxXD3M0NIKXxX (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

The guy is inactive for years, though it shouldn't matter. Scroll down on his user page. It's explicit content, so be warned. Interestingly enough, it's not an image, but extensive wiki code. Meaning I can remove it from his page but it will stay into the page history. Suggesting deleting his page (thus the history), then copy the original content back without the "image". --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 14:56, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Not vandalism. It's a reproduction of the classic Goatse meme. Displaying it in userspace is well in line with the guidelines. -- Spiderzed 15:11, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Meme or not, there's a load of precedent for deleting pornographic content outright. User page rights aren't unlimited, as this should exemplify (another example would be impersonation). --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 15:19, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Most recent example. a.) Image was more explicite then this cheap wikicode replica and b.) posted on an admin page, not in userspace - still only a soft warning, and in userspace, I wouldn't even deal that. -- Spiderzed 15:29, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
And the scheduled pornography deletion was revoked. After Nipplegate. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:28, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Wasn't revoked because porn was okay, it was revoked because porn was something that had to be dealt with on a case by case basis by the sysops to make sure tenuous things weren't being deleted unilaterally. Porn is still treated as vandalism, just through A/VB instead, remember? -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 04:48, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
And also: I just read Spiderzeds ruling. WOW. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 09:19, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
You're kidding right? Goatse is way past the point of acceptable to be used on a user page. =/ -- Cheese 16:41, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Not vandalism. And you want to delete the page history so people aren't offended when they search through a users page history? Overkill man. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 16:15, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Not vandalism - also give this man a medal, I couldn't even render Blinky properly and he pulls out goatse. Wow. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 19:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Reopening case on the fact that users have been permabanned for posting goatse images before. That whole archive page is full of them. Most are presumably vandal alts, but there's an original in there as well. Vandalism --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Really? You guys would be okay I uploaded this Goatse image on the wiki? A pornograpic shock image? Right. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 22:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

A) he didn't, and B) yes, if you kept it solely on your userpage. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
He even gave us a warning not to scroll down. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Why wouldn't it be allowed outside my user page then? --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 22:49, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I can break TOU in my userspace? I better get to work on dumping everyone's IP addresses in my namespace. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 22:50, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
As Mis. Userspace is largely wild west. Don't abuse it to screw with other users by impersonation or with Johnny Law by posting explosive recipes, and I don't screw with your VD. Mainspace and admin pages are a completely different beasts. -- Spiderzed 22:52, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Why are you trying to tell me the rules here, especially when you obviously don't know them? namespaces are not wild west. Vandalism in namespace is still vandalism. Pornography is vandalism. This is pornorgraphy. Holy shit. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 04:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism - errr. yeah we have something called a TOU of which the first clause this breaks. I wonder, that could have possibly been why the original goatse wensite went down! I'm actually shocked you're calling this not vandalism. No, not because this is goatse, but because we have so, SO much established precedent for removing offensive AND pornographic imagery, of which goatse is both (offensive because of intent of using the well established meme). Wow. you all shock me. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 22:50, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Finally, sense! I was already asking myself: Am I really this crazy or...?--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 22:52, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
For the record, Vandalism --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 22:53, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
"Please do not cite this page as a reason why something is a problem". Failing that, it specifies "illegal pornography". This isn't illegal pornography. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:55, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, and regular ponorgraphy is already vandalism on this wiki, regardless of TOU standards. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 04:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the TOS is built around vague legal terms. It depends on context, precedent and the evaluation of the judge to be filled out. Personally, I think goatse is established enough in web culture (and tolerated on enough web servers with similar TOS) to not be deemed as "illegal pornography" by today's context. -- Spiderzed 22:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
As it's been decided in precedent on this wiki that goatse is vandalism, that arguments doens't really fly.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:01, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Oh God, a man stretching out his anus completely, and this isn't pornography because it's a meme? Man, in the past sysops have been accused of being "puritans" this is the extreme opposite. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 23:03, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Thad, no one said it wasn't pornography. Just that pornography, especially the way it's been posted, isn't worth escalating for. Ever since the old puritans there's been a move away from doing so, and recent precedent has been more of the wrist-slapping variety. In fact, the last porn-related case centred more on admin-page spam than content. This just isn't worth escalating over, since it disturbs and disrupts nothing on the wiki, and exists in a user's namespace out of the way of regular traffic. The argument isn't about whether it's porn or not. It's that porn's okay. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
*Ignores Mis' comment as Mis has blatantly ignored my link to precedent above*--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Oh fuck off. I read it. I clearly stated that recent precedent (as in, NOT OLD PRECEDENT, which you linked) moves away from older attitudes. You just make your own holes, Yon. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:16, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Most recent goatse precedent is the one linked.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:17, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Not the most recent pornography precedent, stop being an idiot. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Being right =/= Being an Idiot.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:20, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Then start being right. You're pulling up udated precedent that's been over-ridden by newer, more pertinent precedent (as newer cases take priority, being issued by members of this team and not of an older team, and as the newer case and this one both concern facsimiles more than images). Stop pretending that this old nonsense is more pressing than newer cases. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:23, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Lol, not actually how precedent works.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:24, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't talk about wiki precedent. I talk about Poundhost precedent - it's the only relevant one for TOS issues. Even if we stick with wiki precedent, why insist on the one of yesteryear when there is more recent stuff on offensive/vulgar/pr0n material? -- Spiderzed 23:21, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
If we accept that departing from precedent is perfectly acceptable, as you seem to be saying by the fact that we should use newer precedent, why use precedent at all? Why not just leave it up to the whim of the system operators on this case?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:23, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Precedent should be a litmus test and nothing more. If an admin team feels the right decision goes against precedent, they're free to decide that way, which is how the last case was ruled upon. So either you admit that precedent is not law, and stop forcing a bullshit one at people, or learn to accept precedents as they apply, and use the more relevant one. Either way, stop being so fucking obtuse. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:27, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Stop acting like during the recent precedent porn was somehow found "okay". The image got deleted for a reason. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 23:26, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
It was ruled NV and that's the point. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:27, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Yon, you miss the point about the vague legal terms. What I try to tell is that Poundhost doesn't care about the little fiefdom of them that UDWiki is, and especially not about our rulings. It's completely up to them to decide what a violation of the TOS is. What we say means jack to them.
As for the wiki side, see Mis. Our evaluation has evolved. (Check also Gnome's comments on the talk page about the context of the 2008 bans, it's enlightening.) -- Spiderzed 23:29, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
I haven't cited TOS once, but breaches of it have been ruled vandalism before (see any case made by Conn). Your argument about the wiki side, however, shows absolutely no understanding of how precedent works. Precedent either needs to be over-ruled by a higher judicial office (we have only one), deemed unjust (we have no process of judicial review) or re-evaluated by an equal court, if such a clause exists. Either we have this cluase, in which case any old precedent is useless, or we don't in which case it's the earliest precedent that matters, not the latest.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Bullshit. This case is about the legitimacy of porn here, not about the punishment of it. The precedent case specificies the image wasn't allowed. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 23:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Actually the uploader of the last image consented to its deletion and this case isn't about an image which can be deleted. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:36, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Can we not delete text now?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Don't play me a fool. Porn=Porn, image or not. We can't say if consent or not would have mattered so this is moot --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 23:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
An image can be deleted right off the wiki. Text needs to be meticulously deleted from the page history and I'm not consenting to that becoming a viable tactic for whenevr an op finds something they don't like. Don't open a new can of worms just because you don't like a grainy pixelated render of a man's bum. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:42, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Excuse me, as I've been teached and grown up in a legal system that isn't as heavily built around precedent as the English/'merican one, but isn't re-applying similar cases to the same op team effectively "re-evaluation by an equal court"? It's not like we have, want or need the bureaucracy for a full-blown legal system with higher and lower courts, so re-evaluating as cases come up is our standard way of revising and refining judiciary practice. -- Spiderzed 23:45, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
In which case we do things case by case, and there's no need for precedent. See the dilemna?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:46, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Precedent isn't 100% binding on UDWiki. Never has been. It's useful as a shortcut for standard cases as impersonation, or for backing up your position. But it doesn't substitute the op decision, particularly as op teams, the community and the customs change with time. -- Spiderzed 23:51, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Vandalism is vandalism regardless of the form. If I type your IP here in text, or upload it in separate image doesn't matter. It's vandalism, and will be deleted regardless. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 23:46, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Bullshit. vandalism. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 23:14, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
"It's that porn's okay" This should ring all alarm bells. This isn't a pornsite, both mainspace and userspace. Not disturbing? Dude, porn, not everyone shares this thought. Out of the regular traffic? Not if this case passes as NV. I could paste a porn image on all my userpages, and I'm a sysops, so every time someone goes to my page or talk page they get this shit. No, just no, this isn't encyclopedia dramatica. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 23:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism - too graphic, crosses a line. Just remove it from the page, no need for history wipe bullshit -- boxy talkteh rulz 01:13 14 February 2011 (BST)

Vandalism - As Boxy. Just wipe it (see what I did there). ~Vsig.png 05:29, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

The case was closed and the warning served by Yonnua Koponen. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 09:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I knew I'd forgotten something. :P Thanks.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 10:02, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
My pleasure :) --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 10:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


Wutz (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

I'm a bit suspicious of this guy. His only edit is on the Wutz page designated to listing as many wutz accounts as possible in-game. It's not vandalism, but I'm thinking either alt of a banned user or proxy. Can someone look into this? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 23:44, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Nothing listed. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:49, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
OK, so I just got all worried for nothing. Guess we could let this matter drop for the time being. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 23:52, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Nope. Nothing. Not Vandalism. ~Vsig.png 23:55, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Bit suspicious, since you have to log in to the accounts to know they're suspended, no? -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 00:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I wouldn't doubt if it's the actual Wutz, but he hasn't vandalized the wiki, even if he has made a real shithead of himself in-game. ~Vsig.png 00:12, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Gotten himself banned. I am not particularly for offering sanctions for users who have been banned in the game this wiki is about. Plus we've highly suspected in the past that Wutz is Cornholioo, I thought this was the accepted case already. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 00:32, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Well I couldn't make any tie to User:Wutz and cornhole, but maybe someone with more proxy checking experience could back it up. I didn't personally think Wutz was Corn. Seem to have different MOs. And I'm not making concessions but I'm also not tossing out ban rulings. I'll keep an eye on him as I'm sure everyone else will. If he makes a move or somehow reveals himself as a vandal alt we'll be all over the little fucker like white on rice. ~Vsig.png 00:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm fine with leaving the account this way. Now, to get that stupid page moved out of the mainspace... -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 03:09, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Technical levels seem too different between corn and wutz for me. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:57, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


No (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

And another --Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 17:30, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Stupidity is doing the same thing repeatedly expecting different results. Perma --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:34, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


omglol (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

And again. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:15, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

User:April Jones

April Jones (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Quite disappointed by this, I've spent several days tracking the edits, placing my level one survivor Geckoman in each of the NT's targetted by the group according to April, keeping a list of which of corn's alts had been active in game before April posted, sent PM messages about it to both DDR and Boxy, only for Corn to use the same IP address as his Heil Hitler Alt. Just slack really. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:02, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Took me 20 minutes to revert all the edits. Wonder how long it took corn to make them. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:28, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
I wonder who that is...--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 17:12, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Exactly who we all expected, if Ross' actions are any indicator. -- Spiderzed 17:15, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


User:"jew" (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Seems If he can't beat them, he joins them. Perma --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:18, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

My lordy. His buttons are so fucking easy to press. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 14:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Hows that hurricane thingy? Destroyed Australia yet? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:23, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah. The new south welshmen were making jokes about it before the cyclone had actually hit. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 06:49, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


Corn (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

What a surprise. Even more work for me because of Mis' vandalism. Stop feeding trolls you gimps. Perma for another corn alt. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Lol he thinks encouraging vandalism is vandalism. Hurr -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 13:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Then again he also thinks that we're all jews and that he's part of the master race even though he's dutch -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 13:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Dutch people are the tallest people in Europe. True story. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
But chronic weed STUNTS growth! -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 13:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I blame the bicycles. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:10, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Deuce Bigalo should have stayed away from that asinine place. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 14:18, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Actually Sean Connery's one passable accent attempt was dutch. Diamonds are forever. I'd recommend it. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:20, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


Misanthropy (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Misanthropy has taken it upon himself to make a page at Wotan's Templar, quite blatantly trolling and impersonating the group. I'm anticipating him adding it to some arbitrary character field, but the fact of the matter is that he doesn't represent the group, and he even demonstrates in the edit summary that he's trolling. It's completely petty and designed entirely to troll a permabanned user who can't create or edit the page himself.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Clearly this is cause for A/SD as a previous deletion and nothing more. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:16, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Clearly this is trolling and impersonation, and since you knew it was a speedy deletion when you made it, a stellar example of bad faith.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:19, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
As I've stated, trolling alone is not cause for a vandalism case, and I've already explained that I'm not impersonating anyone (at no point did I make any claim to be a member of said group). When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:20, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
If you aren't a member of the group, then you're vandalising the page.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:21, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Can't vandalise another group's page if it didn't exist at the time. Simply created a new page. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:22, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
In the space of a stats page group, so fuck off or come up with a real reason why it isn't vandalism.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:22, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
If they're on the stats page, then they're clearly active enough to maintain a valid page if they so desire. If they don't, then a mainspace page that doesn't exist is fair game for anyone to create. Now come up with a reason why it is vandalism other than "Mis did it". When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Their leader is permabanned, as you knew when you created the page, so that argument has no credit. It's blatant vandalism under almost every precedent on the wiki, so I'm going off now, and I'll leave it to the next few sysops to arrive to rule on that precedent.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:25, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
If that's true, find me precedent whereby creating a new mainspace page constitutes of impersonation or group page vandalism. Casting my memory back, the closest parallel to this case to be found is this, as an off-topic mainspace page. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:33, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism You aren't a member of the group, read policy you daft fool. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm still going to re-iterate the point that a non-extant page created by someone at no point claiming to be what they aren't is a huge stretch as regards impersonation. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:38, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
It probably is. UDWiki:Specific Case Editing Guidelines is a much more relevant collection of words. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
It's a nice collection of words. It's also missing anything about situations like this. No extant page = not editing someone else's page. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:45, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
"Groups, for the most part, have sole property of their Group page on the wiki," As you've already confirmed above, you're not a member of the group, you weren't adding an NPOV section, you can't justify it as a "Good Faith Edit", and as you have said above, you knew the page had previously existed, otherwise you wouldn't claim it was a recreation. Its trolling, pure and simple. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:49, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
So you're saying that any name previously used by a group that's since been deleted is off-bounds for anyone else to edit? Why do we even delete group pages if that's the case then? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:51, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Not at all Mis. I'm stating that you clearly knew this was corns group. I know this because you commented on conversations specifically about the group, you knew about its deletion, you're actively pursuing its members, and now all of a sudden "Its a coincedence I Iz creating a group with the same name." is that your argument? Please. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:58, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
That's not my argument. I clearly knew the page previously existed and have never claimed not to. I'm saying it was deleted, rendered non-existent, freeing up the name in the mainspace due to it not being a page any more, and then I used it. I didn't claim to belong to the group, I didn't make it a page about the group, I didn't even include links to anything connected to the group at all. I took the page name and used it for something else, when the group who had it, and lost it, no longer were making use of it. If this is the route this case takes, it will become a bad can of worms in the future - remember the EVIL drama? There was no clear precedent of who owned what back then. If you now try to claim that deleted page names still belong to groups who aren't using them, things will eventually get ugly in future edit wars. I fail to see a genuine reason why I can't lay claim to a deleted group's page name, since they aren't using it, and it's essentially been freed up for use for other purposes. Yes, the intention was to troll, and I freely admit that, but that's not vandalism in and of itself. No actual impersonation was done, and since that's what I'm being cited for, I'm fighting it. To sum up: unused page name taken, no impersonation committed, so why vandalism? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:06, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
On this wiki, we define Vandalism as "an edit not made in a good-faith attempt to improve this wiki". Line one of the vandalism policy. You freely admit your intention was to troll. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 23:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
So rather than back up your original verdict (which is wrong), you're just changing it? I'd have argued less if you insisted on mere bad faith to begin with (since there's been recent examples of trolling A/A cases let off as not vandalism to use as precedent). When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:17, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Lot of indent going on here. I'm not changing my verdict, I was answering a direct question. The page existed, it had an edit history, it still does, you edited a group page you clearly knew was originally created by another user, knowing full well that you were editing a page you had no right to. As for your "its like Evil all over again." argument, it isn't. That was a fight over a redirect of a shared acronym (mainspace page), not the pages themselves. (group page) You should probably read the specific case editing guidelines sometime. You want to bring up previous cases you think are relevant, be my guest. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 23:28, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I specifically stated I wasn't comparing this to the EVIL case. In no uncertain terms. So you've just proven you're not actually paying attention. Page DID exist. Then DIDN'T. It was deleted, and therefore ceased to be a page. Less than a dozen users would even have been notified that it had been a page to begin with. Do, for example, Silent Running still own their page? Do Degenerates own that page? No. They don't. Because those are deleted pages. And this is no different. And I already pointed out that SCEG doesn't bear relevence here the last time you tried foisting it on me. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:37, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't mind if I stop with the indents do you? "remember the EVIL drama? There was no clear precedent of who owned what back then." - Your words and wrong , There was clear precedent. Lemons owned lemons, Irksome, owned irksome, no one owned EVIL as it wasn't a group page. Again I encourage you to find ANY examples where Group pages have been recreated as Flaming pages directed at the original group? Explain In Any way how stopping people recreating group pages they had nothing to do with in the first place is "opening a can of worms". As for "less than a dozen people would have known" that has nothing to do with the case. And as a sysop when editing the page you would have clearly seen at the top of the page there was a deleted history you could restore. I believe that degenerates still own the page, so does silent running. Explain to me why they don't. Also, as you know that their is a group called wotans... why wouldn't you follow the wiki naming preference from forever stating that your group was wotans.... (new)? Oh and you still didn't bring up those cases you threatened to earlier. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 00:06, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism - It's clear that the intent of the edit was done in bad faith. No amount of red tape can erase that. ~Vsig.png 23:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Clearly Vandalism. Newbies get way with this sort of stuff. But not you, Missy. The content was obviously designed to annoy the actual group, who's leader is banned, which is why his version of the page is deleted. An accurate, NPOV version would have been acceptable, but placing the star of david and a jewish song on it isn't -- boxy talkteh rulz 00:01 2 February 2011 (BST)

Vandalism. As Vapor. And as far as what Boxy said, I don't even give noobs who do this the time of day. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 00:10, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

So that's Vandalism then. I'm assuming a formal warning? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:45, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah done. Warned. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 11:27, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

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