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This page is for the reporting of vandalism within the Urban Dead wiki, as defined by vandalism policy. On this wiki, the punishment for Vandalism is temporary banning, but due to security concerns, the ability to mete out this punishment is restricted to System Operators. As such, regular users will need to lodge a report for a Vandal to be banned from the wiki. For consistency and accountability, System Operators are requested to note on this board their actions in dealing with Vandals.

Guidelines for Vandalism Reporting

In dealing with Vandalism, time is often of the essence. As such, we ask that all users include the following information in a Vandalism report:

  • A link to the pages in question.
Preferably bolded for visibility. If the Vandalism is occurring over a sufficiently large number of pages, instead include a time range of the vandalism attempt, or alternatively, a link to the first vandalised page. This allows us to quickly find the damage so we can quickly assess the situation.
  • The user name of the Vandal.
This allows us to more easily identify the culprit, and to check details.
  • A signed datestamp.
For accountability purposes, we ask that you record in your request your user name and the time you lodged the report.
  • Please report at the top.
There's conflict with where to post and a lot of the reports are missed. If it's placed at the top of the page it's probably going to be seen and dealt with.

If you see Vandalism in progress, don't wait for System Operators to deal with it, as there may be no System Operator online at the time. Lodge the report, then start reverting pages back to their original form. This can be done by going to the "History" tab at the top of the page, and finding the last edit before the Vandal's attack. When a System Operator is available, they'll assess the situation, and if the report is legitimate, we will take steps to either warn the vandal, or ban them if they are on their second warning.

If the page is long, you can add new reports by editing the top report and placing your new report above its header in the edit screen.

Before Submitting a Report

  • This page, Vandal Banning, deals with bad-faith breaches of official policy.
  • Interpersonal complaints are better sorted out at UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration.
  • As much as is practical, assume good faith and try to iron out problems with other users one to one, only using this page as a last resort.
  • Avoid submitting reports which are petty.

Vandalism Report Space

Administration Notice
Talk with the user before reporting or accusing someone of vandalism for small edits. In most cases it's simply a case of a new user that doesn't know how this wiki works. Sometimes assuming good faith and speaking with others can avoid a lot of drama, and can even help newbies feel part of this community.
Administration Notice
If you are not a System Operator, the user who made the vandal report, the user being reported, or directly involved in the case, the administration asks that you use the talk page for further discussion. Free-for-all commenting can lead to a less respectful environment.
Administration Notice
Warned users can remove one entry of their warning history every one month and 250 edits after their last warning. Remember to ask a sysop to remove them in due time. You are as responsible for keeping track of your history as the sysops are; In case of a sysop wrongly punishing you due to an outdated history, he might not be punished for his actions.


Spambots are to be reported on this page. New reports should be added to the top. Reports may be purged after one week.

November 2011

User:Johnny Rotten

Vandalized Carrie Cutter's userpage. Also vandalized Sister Rita's page two days ago. He has made proper edits since August 2011, so it's clear he's not making a newbie mistake. If anything, I'll have to say Vandalism for this one. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 04:19, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Perma I got no tolerance for that shit. ~Vsig.png 05:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I second that Perma motion as well. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 05:33, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Axe's perma ruling is all I need. Permabanned. ~Vsig.png 05:44, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't necessarily say that but, since it's brought up I'll throw in with the perma crowd since it's got enough things going for it between multiple venues on and off wiki and it's content that we can toss it under ToS Violation consideration. He should also be recommended for banning from the server to Kevin I'd think considering he's been doing this in game, on wiki, etc, etc, etc. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 07:17, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
What rule are you guys permabanning him under?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 10:27, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
It's the "Text Rapists Don't Get Second Chances" rule. It's new. Pick your poison. ToS, Harrassment...I don't really care. It's bad enough this douche keeps harrassing people in game. He's been banhammered off the wiki and that's the way it should stay. I just wish we had caught it on the first offense. Instead, he was able to do it a second time. ~Vsig.png 14:58, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
You should be able to justify your rulings and actions with actual precedent and/or policies. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 14:59, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Just so you know, I did search for a similar case before administering a ban. I didn't find one dealing specifically with text-rape harassment. We should be banning this type of harrassment from the wiki and so a judgement call is justified. There is absolutely no reason to allow it to continue on the wiki. ~Vsig.png 15:56, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Perma. In crass cases like this, the TOS apply indeed. No one wants Poundhost to pull our plug. In fact, we might even need to delete the relevant edits, as they are still hosted in the page history. -- Spiderzed 20:20, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I support this zero tolerance stance for text rapists, and uphold the Perma verdict. Also, I agree with Spiderzed, above: after we cycle this case, we should delete the page revisions featuring the vandalism. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 20:44, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

As both the VB case and the Misconduct case are closed, I will delete the revisions tomorrow night. -- Spiderzed 22:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
It turned out to be a bit later than "tomorrow night", but has now been carried out. That should keep us safe in regards to Poundhost. -- Spiderzed 13:43, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

What is all this nonsense about ToS violation suddenly being grounds for an instant permaban? ToS includes content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene (illegal pornography), libellous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable. Everything on that list has been on here, and we've always dealt with it using the normal escalation system (and some of these things are even accepted under certain conditions). There's also some talk about ingame actions of this guy, which I can't judge, but these should not be taken into account whatsoever, moderating of the game is exclusively Kevan's domain and is separate from the wiki. Just give him a warning and remove the edits in question but don't apply justice based purely on the percieved idea that text-rape is somekind of "super"vandalism that needs a special punishment that is beyond all established precedent and policy. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 14:59, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

It's common sense. There is no reason to allow a serial text-rapist the opportunity to harass people multiple more times because of red tape. ~Vsig.png 15:56, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
And yet we have the precedent of permitting several Nazi themed groups and anti-semetic players to be on the wiki for enormous periods of time, requiring that they went through the actual vandal banning system before they were banned. The fact that UDwiki is suddenly becoming a kangaroo court where we no longer abide by our own rules is really sickening. You should all feel disgusted with yourselves, because you have no authority to over-rule the entire system of punishment that has always existed on this wiki, just because you don't like somebody in-game. I hate to sound like Iscariot, which is seeming to be happening increasingly regularly as of late, but this entire case reeks of misconduct.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:47, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
This. I'm frankly shocked how so many sysops fell into this. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 12:22, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
(Yonn beat me to it on some points). Okay, I'm sorry, but you're talking utter nonsense without actually adressing my post. First off, we are not allowing him to harass people further. That's why we warn people, to discourage them from making said infractions. If he continues, we'll warn again, then we start a 24ban etc etc. We do not pre-empatively permaban based on the simple suspiscion that a person may continue to be bad instead of reforming. Second, the red tape is there for a reason. How many fucking times do I have to repeat that if you don't like red tape you use the correct channels (Policy Discussion in this case) to remove it. Last, we didn't permaban Cornholioo after the first racism infraction, to add some precedent. Jesus Christ, this is basic stuff man. I can't believe you guys are making such a big mistake.-- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 12:22, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Or J3d, or woot...--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 12:45, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Or Mis, DDR would be gone for privacy invasion, you too, I think I harassed SA at some point, perma-perma-perma etc etc etc. I truly wonder what some people were thinking. Yeah, text-rape is bad, but after Cornholioo, I thought we could rationally handle the trolls. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 12:51, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
what happened to all this nonsense about you two losers not being around so much. too much "schoolwork" and whatnot. ahhh miss the buttons and the attention? wankers.-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!  אמת12:53, 23 November 2011 (bst)

I've been holding off on updating the vandal data in this case. Once a verdict is reached in my Misconduct case, someone please remember to do that and protect the user page should the perma ruling stick. I'll be away from the wiki for the day. ~Vsig.png 17:00, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Updated Vandal Data, slapped on the banned user template and protect his userpage. ~Vsig.png 14:36, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism - Permaban. -- Cheese 21:38, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


VANDALIZED User:Son of Sin/TSoS PLEASE BAN IMMEDIATELY TheSonOfSin 11:37, 28 October 2011 (BST)

You can't vandalize your own user page. Don't clog up A/VB with silly reports. -- Spiderzed 11:43, 28 October 2011 (BST)

HAPPY NOW? BLOCK MY ID ADDRESS SO I CAN HAVE MY LIFE BACK —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Son of Sin (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.

Have adminstered a 2 hours ban against the current massive vandal spree while I figure out what is going on. -- Spiderzed 12:14, 28 October 2011 (BST)

Have checkusered SoS - he still works off the same IP, so no account-hacking as Seagull suggested. Looks like SoS has just gone batshit insane. (Or like someone in the same household has taken over the account, but that is a slim chance.) As 3ER doesn't apply, I'm in favour of Vandalism and seeing how many escalations SoS racks up afterwards. -- Spiderzed 12:21, 28 October 2011 (BST)

Sent you an e-mail Spiderzed. I should be held accountable since my account & IP were used. Son of Sin 14:38, 28 October 2011 (BST)
I prefer to do my sys-opping out in the open for everyone to see, not by e-mail. If you are fine with that, I will share the mail here (with all private information censored away). -- Spiderzed 14:52, 28 October 2011 (BST)
won't make a difference in the votes that will be made though. i only e-mailed you because of the message that was at the top of my screen (telling me to e-mail you since you were the sysop who banned me, i guess), otherwise, i would have accepted the ban & not explained. but you can share it to be fair to the wiki community. Son of Sin 16:19, 28 October 2011 (BST)
Here we go then:
Son of Sin said:
Hello. I am Son of Sin (IP censored) from the UD Wiki. I sincerely apologize for what happened earlier. I would never vandalize the wiki. I'm having martial issues with my wife, and she wants me permabanned from the wiki. I don't expect you or the other sysops to believe anything I have to say, but you all can check my contribs to see that I haven't (intentionally) broken any rules and try to learn as much as possible about how the wiki operates. I also have never edited this wiki, or any other, using a different alias or IP address. I have a static IP that never changes. I live in place of residence censored which you can confirm by my IP address. Anyway, my wife edits my user pages & the code stuff, and I update suburb/danger reports when I play UD. I don't want to type out a long e-mail...I just wanted to apologize and let you know that I didn't vandalize anything...but you and the other sysops can hold me accountable since I can't prove my explanation.

Thanks for banning me (her) by the way.
-- Spiderzed 16:48, 28 October 2011 (BST)
He did not take kindly to my suggesting he follow prior formatting when updating suburb pages when updating the news. You can follow the brief conversation on his/my talk pages (my talk conv restored for this). I'm not sure which personality I was speaking to with respect to this VB case. I think the incorrect dates in the last day are probably typos, not intentional. --UroguyTMZ 16:57, 28 October 2011 (BST)
Formatting dates differently is vandalism? and yeah, i made a few threats to a couple people/groups that night/following day i believe, and you want to make a big deal out of mm/dd/yyyy, etc. if i use bright font colors or a new font style, then you should complain. you were/are being petty. as long is the date is correct & in english/zombiespeak, there shouldn't be an issue. Son of Sin 17:48, 28 October 2011 (BST)
Verdict reduced to Soft Warning. However, as Rev, I'd strongly recommend you to secure your accounts better, such as by creating another pass-word protected profile on your DOS and having another for your wife, or logging off and not storing your passwords in your browser. -- Spiderzed 13:00, 29 October 2011 (BST)

Soft Warning - I won't try to inject my opinion on how to handle the personal situation but I hope you guys can work it out. ~Vsig.png 16:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

we're fine. that's her way of venting ...get rid of anything i enjoy more than our quality time. Son of Sin 17:48, 28 October 2011 (BST)

I understand the account being used by someone in your own home (ie: a family member or a friend who's visiting). I messed up Zensaga's Facebook page a few times as a joke through his own computer while chilling at his place (and I'm sure a few of you are guilty of the exact same offense). Since this is SoS's first offense, I'd have to say Soft Warning for now. However, if this behavior were to continue, I'd say vandalism and perhaps recommend a perma-banning vote. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 19:19, 28 October 2011 (BST)

Perma vote comes only after the fifth warning. I hope that it doesn't come to that and they can work out their differences off the wiki. ~Vsig.png 19:28, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Non-involved comments moved to talk page. Please put them there directly in future. Warnings may be issued for repeat violations.

Son of Sin, best practice would be to cease sharing an account – let your wife create her own account if she wants to edit the wiki, and I suggest logging off yours when you are done. While I know people often like the convenience of sharing accounts, this is just one example of why it's bad idea. As someone who works in the IT sector, believe me, I know.

I'm willing to let this one slide, but I would prefer this not to happen again. Soft warning. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 07:41, 29 October 2011 (BST)

Hey. I'd like to think this relevant enough to not get shunted to the talk page but I don't care either way. I consider this a similar case to reads latest banning, I don't know why because they weren't particularly similar but surely the "you are responsible for your own IP/account" principle sort of applies here. He should at least cop a warning for having an account that vandalised and I mean god damn, a warning for failing to keep an account secure isn't really that bad as far as punishments go guys annoying 13:01, 29 October 2011 (BST)

Not to mention that this excuse is shady as all hell. annoying 13:01, 29 October 2011 (BST)

Vandalism of spider's userpage. give them a warning. Keep your account secure. If you can't, it will eventually be blocked -- boxy 14:30, 29 October 2011 (BST)

i know i don't have a say/vote in the penalty but i think i should be banned for a month, year or even permabanned. i don't know how to edit without help, therefore i shouldn't try to be an editor. question: when i'm banned, can i still read pages? i'll still be playing UD and would like to see danger reports. Son of Sin 20:50, 29 October 2011 (BST)
Well, any user can request a self-ban, so we can certainly do so if you'd prefer. You seem to be managing to edit this page well enough, so I'd say you're doing fine as an editor. That said, if the wiki is causing you problems and you'd prefer to be without it, that would certainly be fair enough. With a self-requested ban, you'd always be welcome to contact a sysop if you felt ready to return. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 21:54, 29 October 2011 (BST)
As Rev. To answer your question, you will be able to view the wiki, you just won't be able to log in, thus unable to edit and your preferences wull not be applied. Your user page and talk page would be protected but people could still contact you via email if you have an email address associated with your wiki account. ~Vsig.png 22:06, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
all right. i request a self-ban to close this case. may i also request Spiderzed ban me since his/her page was (repeatedly) vandalized during this ordeal? question: i can't create another account using another computer/my phone if i don't want to use this account again (due to embarassment, honestly)? that's against the policy (using an alt account during a ban period), right? i wouldn't hide who i am. i'd list my same characters and use "Sinister Son" as a new name. Son of Sin 22:40, 29 October 2011 (BST)
nevermind, forget the last question. i'll accept the ban & leave the wiki alone. i don't want future cases of vandalism to be as ridiculous as mine. Son of Sin 22:42, 29 October 2011 (BST)
Accounts and IPs can be banned separately. If you want to start fresh under a different name and get your old account locked, that is easily done. -- Spiderzed 22:44, 29 October 2011 (BST)
oh. well, i understand now, but i'd still like to be banned (IP & account) so no one will use this case as an example of "someone else vandalized using my account/computer" & only receive a soft warning. i'm done updating reports for today, so you can ban me right now, if you don't mind, Spiderzed. Son of Sin 23:03, 29 October 2011 (BST)
I'm sorry, are you guys incompetent? This guy comes to you saying that his account has been breached, then you agree to ban him because "he requested it". If anybody serves this request without waiting a day to see if it's actually him, I'll be taking them to misconduct for not doing their job correctly.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 01:07, 30 October 2011 (BST)
Even though you're right, only fags threaten with misconduct cases. me included annoying 01:03, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
This vandalism case makes me sad :( --Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 02:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
will my IP show in recent changes if you ban? I don't want that. I am using phone. Can't sign properly. Son of Sin Please Vote on Project Funny! 03:34, 30 October 2011 (UTC) permission to checkuser also in case it comes up by Yonnua
Your IP will never show up, dont worry. annoying 10:32, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
It will if they IP block him.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:58, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism - Keeping your account secure is your job, as comments on this very case show you are aware of. Also an account ban would allow you to create a separate account. And what Rev said about sharing accounts, it really almost never is a good idea and tends to come back and bite you. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 04:15, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Take an escalation, set up a new email and change your password for your wiki account using the new email, case closed. Three step system.        04:27, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

but how does that resolve this case? "Son of Son" will be banned, but i can create a new account? with all due respect, that doesn't make sense to me. and please define "sharing accounts". i'm the only person in my household who plays UD, so why does my wife need a wiki account to edit my pages? i don't want to ask/bug anyone i don't know for help with the numerous amounts of edits i make per day.. and sometimes i can't physically edit, so i ask her to do it. unfortunately, i went to sleep while she was editing my journal & she snapped because i woke her up & asked her to do an "unimportant task". i see my journals as blogs & want to keep them updated...not wait until my pain goes away & edit my journals myself hours later. sorry for the personal issues being discussed on my part. Son of Sin 04:57, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Connsidering everything further, I'm going to have to change my ruling to Vandalism. Because account sharing is occuring we don't know which person is requesting a self ban, and I'm not that willing to get behind that request any longer based soley on the reasons for the request above. This is a prime example of why sharing a wiki account is a bad idea and why I'm moving to hold this account fully responsible for the vandalism. I would agree to banning the account but not the IP to allow these two to create seperate wiki accounts if they want but a new request should be filed. ~Vsig.png 17:11, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

can this be done with all ready? do any more sysops / users need to cast their votes? is there a 2-week voting period or something i missed in the policy? looks like this will be ruled vandalism, so should i create a new account now? i have a new e-mail / password hidden from my wife so there won't be any future problems. i also changed my browser options not to store passwords / keep me signed in. cookies will be deleted upon closing the browser. Son of Sin 18:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Nope. There is no minimum time limit to reach a ruling. We're currently split on how to hash out the ruling. It may take a bit longer. There are two more ops which could sway the verdict so until they show up, or another op changes their ruling, this case will have to stay open. ~Vsig.png 19:54, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
understood. probably best if i don't say anything else then. Son of Sin 20:09, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism - As Boxy, Vapor and Karek have said, it's up to you to make sure your account is secure. Since the account was shared, I'd go with banning it completely and they can make new separate accounts. If the vandalism re-occurs we can obviously look at this again. -- Cheese 14:19, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism. A fair Assessment by Boxy. --Like Moss and The Dude..... 17:41, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Before I begin I will tell you I am the wifey. I told y'all to ban Son of Sin BEFORE Spider's userspace was vandalled and Spider said YOU CAN'T VANDAL YOUR OWN USER PAGE blah blah blah BUT my asking of banning Son of Sin was ignored yet self-ban is part of the policy so all of this could have been avoided had Spider banned Son of Sin acct. like I requested. Users should not have to vandal OTHER pages to draw attention and receive a ban. Requesting a SELF-BAN should be ENOUGH even if the acct is BREACHED. Tweak your policies a lil bit because this case is riDICKulous. My husband ain't the brightest candle in the bunch and y'all manipulated him into airing out our fuckin issues on the internet. BAN this acct. too when you BAN Son of Sin acct. because I damn sure will NOT be coming back on this fuckin website again. - Signed by: A MAD BLACK WOMAN DIME DIVA

I'm cycling this as Vandalism and administering a warning to User:Son of Sin. Dime Diva, I was unable to find a request to be banned until half way through this case. What we saw was that User:Son of Sin "vandalised" its own user page and then requested to be banned because of it. That is why you were told that it is not a bannable offense. Because of the suspicious nature of the request for "self escalation", we asked SoS to tell us what had happened. He was not manipulated into telling us anything.

Since the account was being shared, it directly affects ANY request to be self banned. So here is what we're going to have to do. Please create a separate wiki account for yourself and return here and post that it has been done. Then, if the wiki account User:Son of Sin still needs a permanent ban, a separate request will need to be made by User:Son of Sin. We will ban only the account, not the IP address. He is free to create a different wiki account at that point. Until that is done, the account User:Son of Sin will not be banned upon self request. The normal escalation procedure will apply. I'm sorry it has to be done this way but please understand our position in this and the problems that sharing a wiki account creates. Thank you. ~Vsig.png 17:41, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


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