UDWiki:Moderation/Policy Discussion/Amazing

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The following is a petition to have Amazing removed from the Wiki for an extremely long time, if not permanently. There will be absolutely no discussion on this page. Merely sign your name. If you have something to add, use the appropriate space on the attached talk page. This petition will be available for a least one week before it is submitted. Also, please browse the attached talk page before finnalizing your vote.

This petition has ended.

Please keep an eye on this page for changes in the evidence that might change your opinion.

Evidence Against

Quote from Amazing:

"Trust me, I've got my mind on my own Wiki now. 
Easily adding things people have asked for here and gotten nowhere on."

(Note: The above is removed from context)

Amazing created a template calling for the deletion of the wiki, though he clarifies that this only refers to "the group of idiots who are abusing [the wiki]". It should be noted that the actual text of the template does not make this distinction (or, for that matter, any other), and that Amazing only advanced this explanation after his apparent call for the violent death of every user of the wiki began to draw enough heat that his template was put up for deletion and attracted an overwhelming number of "delete" votes. Amazing claims that he did not expect people to take a nuclear strike as a realistic death threat. Some feel that Amazing should not have opposed the "Hail Xenu" template (seen here), which specifically mentioned killing Amazing and his family, because of its similar "nuclear attack" theme.

Reviewing his last 500 edits to the Wiki, it has been determined that most of them involve drama. In addition, most of the arbitration cases have involved him. (It should be noted that some of the Arbitration cases were ruled in his favor.) Some believe that Amazing is purposefully trying to overwhelm the wiki's moderation system by submitting excessive vandalism and arbitration cases, and calling for misconduct trials against existing moderators. His most recent "Wikigate" Arbitration cases were brought about by a comment from a Moderator stating that he'd have a good case if he did it.

Amazing has had arguments and bad words with the Moderators and Kevan to such a degree that some have been ignoring him.

Amazing was a Moderator for a short time, after Odd Starter gave him this position without following the promotion system's voting procedure. This status was revoked when Amazing deleted an image that was meant to attack him personally, without going through proper deletion procedures. During his 24 hours as a Moderator, all other entries on the Moderation/Deletions and Moderation/Speedy_Deletions were not ruled upon by him, showing potential bias or lack of time to do so. There is some debate as to whether his actions were justified: Amazing cited copyright infringement (though this was not supported), but it was widely believed he should have posted it for deletion voting instead of taking immediate action.

It is stated that Banning is not a punishment. While some strongly believe Amazing should be punished for his statements and personal conduct in terms of arguement, it is more important to preserve the Wiki.

The drama that follows him may possibly be detrimental to those who are here to edit the Wiki and provide the best information they can, assuming they have to read Amazing's posts to do so. These Users will see the drama going on, and either get caught up in it, or avoid the areas in question altogether to avoid such.

Some believe that Amazing may, if banned, vandalise the wiki from other accounts. (Amazing was banned once before, for 24 hours in October 2005, and created a number of accounts in an attempt to clear up the misunderstanding that brought it about.) Some feel that this risk is worth taking, however.

Amazing has e-mailed Kevan and reportedly said crude things and personally insulted him. This reportedly stems from Kevan's claim that Amazing was lying about having a sibling who played the game and brought his character into the same suburb, at which point both players' characters were almost immediately banned. The discussion reportedly began calmly, but became heated (and, in Amazing's case, profane) when the allegation of dishonesty was made. It is unclear at this time how this pertains to Amazing's use of the Wiki.

Amazing also referred to Moderator 'STER as an "STD-Addled Crack Whore" to show that insulting a user was not something that could easily be shrugged off after 'STER called Amazing another insulting name claiming he simply did it "as a regular user". An arbitration ruling later caused 'STER to issue an apology to Amazing.

Evidence in Favor

Some believe Amazing is merely a Wiki contributor pushed too far by those who are seeking to kick him off the Wiki and out of Urban Dead itself.

Though it is true he has a certain abbrasive personality when dealing with people he does not personally like, some believe the current situation is merely the end culmination of a concorted effort by those who dislike him to, as previously stated, remove Amazing.

Amazing himself claims that he has never spoken unkindly to anyone who did not first insult or flame him. Moderators being the exception in cases where he felt justice was not being done. He has never claimed to be blameless, merely that he gets aggrivated by what he considers 'trolling' and what he also considers support of this behavior. Losing his cool is something Amazing is known for - but he is also known for offering olive branches and treaties which are often denied by those who seem to still want the drama to continue so that he can be effectively brought down.

Amazing believes that, had Moderators listened to him, none of this would be happening because the rampant attacks against him would have been stopped before they grew so large that it lead to a petition to Ban him.


Further Notes:

  1. Amazing's Userpage and other Pages have been vandalized repeatedly, even by some of those voting against him below.
  2. Amazing's photos elsewhere on the internet have been brought up in threats to post them and ridicule him.
  3. Amazing's Wiki password has been reset over ten times by a user one of his detractors admitted to knowing about.
  4. Amazing has had people create accounts similar to his name for impersonation purposes. (Both ingame and on this Wiki)
  5. Amazing has been told in vague terms by two users that his usage of the Wiki and Game will no longer be hindered if he bribes them.
  6. Amazing has been (repeatedly in many cases) called:
    1. Gay (in a way intended to be offensive.)
    2. Fat
    3. Ugly
    4. Unemployed
    5. A zerger
    6. A Bot-User
    7. A whale
    8. Physically dirty
    9. A Pig
    10. and much more.
  7. Amazing's family has (sarcastically) been threatened with death.
  8. Folks have (sarcastically) said Amazing should die in a fire.
  9. It has (sarcastically) been said that one person would drive to Amazing's home for the purpose of physical violence.
  10. Amazing is the only user to have three (or more) petitions created against him by the very folks who were doing the previous actions.
  11. Amazing has been told that the only way he will be 'left alone' is if he:
    1. Quits the Wiki.
    2. Quits the game.
    3. Quits his player group.
    4. Lets his detractors kill him repeatedly without fighting it for as long as they wish.
    5. And of course if he bribes theses users.
  12. Friends and supporters of Amazing are brought into the general insult and harassment by some of Amazing's detractors.
  13. Amazing has had many templates created specifically to insult, defame, and aggrivate him.

It is obvious that there is no actual way he will be able to regain full unhindered use of this Wiki or the game for as long as these folks are allowed to conduct themselves as such.

Some believe that a little anger is justified at this point.

Amazing should be banned.

If you agree, sign below.

  1. --Grim s 06:21, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  2. --Mpaturet 06:21, 20 April 2006 (BST)
    --CthulhuFhtagn 06:23, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  3. --Technerd 06:24, 20 April 2006 (BST)
    --Nubis A.R.S.E. 06:25, 20 April 2006 (BST)
    --Jorm 06:27, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  4. --Zaruthustra-Mod 06:33, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  5. --Denzel Washington 13:42, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  6. --John Ember 15:51, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  7. --Lucero Capell 16:02, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  8. --Bermudez 16:23, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  9. --Sindai 16:27, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  10. --MaulMachine 21:23, 20 April 2006 (BST)
    --BuncyTheFrog Talk GBP 21:30, 20 April 2006 (BST)
    --Tehasskickars 22:45, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  11. --Banana Bear4 23:58, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  12. --Stroth 02:15, 21 April 2006 (BST)
  13. --Irishmen 19:15, 21 April 2006 (BST)
  14. --Rasher 20:48, 21 April 2006 (BST)
  15. --Rueful 21:31, 21 April 2006 (BST)
  16. --Xoid 12:29, 22 April 2006 (BST)
  17. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 17:03, 22 April 2006 (BST)
    --SirensT RR 17:05, 22 April 2006 (BST)
  18. --Craw 18:51, 22 April 2006 (BST)
  19. --Asrathe 22:48, 22 April 2006 (BST)
  20. --Petrosjko 05:23, 23 April 2006 (BST)
  21. --Arthur Swan 08:22, 23 April 2006 (BST)
  22. --Flareblade77 16:07, 23 April 2006 (EST)
  23. --ramby T--W! - SGP 03:19, 24 April 2006 (BST)
  24. --Jack Destruct 10:37, 24 April 2006 (BST)
  25. --DJ Dave 22:14, 25 April 2006 (BST)
  26. --Tokakeke 03:22, 27 April 2006 (BST)
  27. --Unlife 04:29, 28 April 2006 (BST)
  28. --Scinfaxi 09:08, 28 April 2006 (BST)
  29. --A1C Jerry 18:18, 29 April 2006 (GMT)
  30. --I Poop Brains 22:28, 30 April 2006 (BST)
  31. --Malevolently Red 05:28, 1 May 2006 (BST)
  32. --Matthew Fahrenheit 22:40, 1 May 2006 (BST)
  33. --KimChi 04:43, 2 May 2006 (BST)
  34. --Ilovedeniro 04:57, 2 May 2006 (BST)
  35. --Sixtimesnine 14:22, 2 May 2006 (BST)
  36. --2FAST2FURIOUS 21:31, 2 May 2006 (BST)
  37. ----Bulgakov 00:11, 3 May 2006 (BST)
  38. --AllStarZ 02:14, 3 May 2006 (BST)
  39. --Ozno Axe 02:29, 3 May 2006 (BST)
  40. --BobHammero ASS 07:42, 3 May 2006 (BST)
  41. --Jimbo Bob ASS 07:51, 3 May 2006 (BST)
  42. --Flammaster II 16:39, 5 May 2006 (BST)
  43. --DarthRevan 13:00, 27 April 2006 (BST)
  44. -- Saromu 15:55, 7 May 2006 (BST)
  45. -- Lewiddyion 12:47, 7 May 2006 (MST)

Amazing should be allowed to stay.

If you agree, sign below.

  1. --Prosperina 06:31 20 April 2006 (BST)
    --Craw 16:50, 20 April 2006 (BST)
    --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 18:36, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  2. --Ron Burgundy 21:17, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  3. --Karlsbad 22:56, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  4. --TheTeeHeeMonster 23:43, 20 April 2006 (BST)
  5. -- Amazing SGP¦McZ¦CDF¦UDPD 05:47, 21 April 2006 (BST) (duh.)
  6. --Zod Rhombus 22:05, 21 April 2006 (BST)
  7. --Shenron 23:59, 21 April 2006 (BST)
  8. --Cyberbob240CDF - Arb - W! 13:13, 22 April 2006 (BST)
  9. --Wyndallin 03:52, 24 April 2006 (BST)
  10. --Sensodyne 14:40, 22 April 2006 (CET)
  11. --Major Grippy 06:35, 23 April 2006 (BST)
  12. --1 4 of CDF 06:37, 23 April 2006 (BST)
  13. --The General W! Mod 07:27, 23 April 2006 (BST)
  14. --Roybot 07:34, 23 April 2006 (BST)
  15. --Toast Boy 08:13, 23 April 2006 (BST)
  16. --Monkphin 11:41, 23 April 2006 (BST)
  17. --Cage Midwell 21:30,22 April 2006 (CST)
  18. --Atari Techno 17:14, 23 April 2006 (BST)
  19. --John Rove 20:27, 23 April 2006 (BST)
  20. --RCG Tiburon 22:47, 23 April 2006 (BST)
  21. --Sarah79 06:40, 24 April 2006 (BST)
  22. --Lokijester 06:46, 24 April 2006 (BST)
  23. --HrethEnduro 06:50, 24 April 2006 (BST)
  24. --Kripcat 09:35, 24 April 2006 (BST)
  25. --Changchad 11:13, 24 April 2006 (BST)
  26. --Gurst 19:26, 24 April 2006 (BST)
  27. --Moon stone 02:18, 25 April 2006 (BST)
  28. ---I.V 07:39, 25 April 2006 (BST)
  29. --StJiMmY 02:40, 26 April 2006 (BST)
  30. --Pain 06:23, 26 April 2006 (BST)
  31. --Sammyjayfox123 02:47, 28 April 2006 (BST)
  32. --Roscoe 23:20, 28 April 2006 (BST)
  33. --LCpl Mendoza 00:00, 29 April 2006 (BST)
  34. --Apocalypsenow 04:51, 2 May 2006 (BST)
  35. --Karma 06:38, 2 May 2006 (BST)
  36. --Flent 06:41, 2 May 2006 (BST)
  37. --Krazy Monkey 11:19, 2 May 2006 (BST)
  38. --Conndraka 03:45, 3 May 2006 (BST)
  39. --Deadly Tide 08:24, 3 May 2006 (BST)
  40. --JB007 08:27, 3 May 2006 (BST)
  41. --Happyg 04:00, 6 May 2006 (BST)

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