UDWiki:Poll/Classifying Suburb Groups

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Summary of the Polling Results

The purpose of this poll was to evaluate the current system for classifying groups in suburbs.

Quick Summary:

The main findings of the poll are:

  • The community is split between changing the system and making only minor adjustments.
  • There is strong interest in updating the template guidelines for advising groups on how to classify their group.
  • There is strong interest in updating the template guidelines to make groups solely responsible for their classification.
  • There is more interest in having the system reflect both number and type of groups in a suburb.
  • There is more interest in expanding the number of categories rather than reducing or simply changing the classification language.
  • There is little interest in adding a category for DN-themed groups.
  • There is strong interest in adding "Other" as a category.
  • There is split interest between changing the system to some version of 'Active / Not Active" or changing "Hostile" to "Independent"

Based on these findings, it is recommended that:

  • If any changes are to be made, they should be minor at most. A drastic overhaul is neither desired nor necessary.
  • The current system should be kept. While there is some interest in renaming "Hostile to Independent," this point wasn't asked directly and it is probably best for now to leave the current name intact.
  • The guidelines should be updated to provide better guidance on how to classify groups and to make it clear that groups decide where they are listed.
  • "Other" should be added as a trial category and re-evaluated at some point in the future. If it is not used/under-used it should be removed.

Detailed Summary:

In this poll, we asked the wiki community to evaluate the current suburb classification system. The community was split on the whether they would like to see changes made to the existing system. However, most respondents who indicated that they would like to see change, are mainly interested in seeing only minor changes or adjustments. If changes are to take place, it is best they remain minimal, address problems highlighted by the other polling points, and build upon the foundation of the current system.

A drastic overhaul of the system is neither desired by the community, nor necessary at this point in time.

Most participants would like to see the guidelines for adding groups to suburbs updated, both to give advice and feedback to group leaders on how to classify their groups, and also to make it clear to the community that groups -- and groups alone -- dictate how they are classified. Based on this, the following changes should be made:

  • The guidelines should be updated to help guide group leaders on how to classify their groups. This could mean providing examples of "classic groups" that fit in each category, providing more information on what the categories mean, or both. Given that many respondents are interested in a system that groups by play-style and feel that the system should give information on both number and type of group, creating a page defining various play-styles in relation to the suburb categories would be one possible step.
  • The guidelines should be updated to make it clear that groups dictate their classification.

The community is split on whether the main goal of the system should be to provide information about or reduce conflicts between groups. The simplest compromise is to make either no change or only minimal changes with regard to this polling point.

There is interest in adding more classifications to the system. In particular, there is strong interest in adding "Other" as a category. For example, approximately forty-percent of those who were not interested in changing the system, were interested in having "Other" as an added category. Based on this, the following changes should be made:

  • Other should be added to the template. Groups in the other-category can have a one/two-word descriptor by their name if they choose.
  • If the "Other" category is not used or under-utilized after, let's say six months, it's inclusion should be revisited.

Although some respondents recognize the importance of Dual Nature as a play-style, there does not appear to be enough interest in creating a category specifically for DN-themed groups at this time.

There is split interest in reducing the classifications to some version of "Active / Not Active" or changing the classification language to "Survivor/Zombie/Independent." The first would be a major change, and given that the community is split on changing the system in the first place, it is probably best that this proposed change not be enacted. The second is mostly a name-change, and probably warrants consideration at some point in the future.

Purpose of this Poll

Over the last five years, Urban Dead has matured as a game, and with that maturity, both the number and themes of Urban Dead groups has grown. Currently, all groups are listed in their suburb(s) of choice under one of three categories: Survivor, Zombie, or Hostile. The purpose of this poll is very simple:

  • Given the diverse growth of group types over the last couple of years (PKer, GKer, Dual-Nature, Life-cultist, Death-cultist, the Penultimate Zombie-Killing God with a Suborbital Laser Cannon, etc), do we, as a community, feel that our current classifications:
  1. accurately describe or classify the groups that do exist in a given suburb.
  2. are actually useful as an information resource for players?
  3. allow Group Leaders, especially new ones, to classify their group in a suburb both easily and quickly, with little confusion in classifier meaning?
  • If we feel the current system falls short, what criteria are important to us as a community? What, exactly, do we want to see changed?
  • If we feel the current system falls short, is there a better system?

Polling Guidelines

This poll will ask for your viewpoint on several issues related to classifying groups in suburbs. For each question:

  • Please number (#) and time-stamp your signature underneath the response you agree most of this.
  • For some questions, you can choose more than response. For those, please number (#) and time-stamp your signature underneath the responses you agree with.
  • Please limit discussion to the talk page.

Things to keep in mind

  • The UD wiki is a gaming resource. Individual suburb pages should be as informative as possible, especially for new players who may not know the history of a suburb. Likewise, group classifications should also be as informative as possible. We should strive for a system such that a new player can goto a suburb page and at a glance, know:
  1. How many groups are in / have been in that suburb.
  2. What type of group are they.
  3. What those type classifiers actually mean.
  • Any classification system we choose should be able to classify a wide range of group types that currently exist in Urban Dead. Before you finish this poll, please go to the talk page, read the sample list of groups pulled from a variety of suburbs, and ask yourself the following:
"Can the current/proposed system I am looking at now classify this list of groups easily?"
  • Any classification system we choose should be easy to understand, especially for new players. As you read the poll, pretend you are a new group leader who barely knows how make a group page, and ask yourself the following:
"Do I at a glance know what all these divisions mean in a given classification system, and is it easy for me to place my group into one of those divisions?"
  • THIS IS NOT A VOTE. This is merely a tool for us, as a community, to (hopefully) come to some form of a consensus on how we feel about the current system, and whether or not there may be a better one. Please keep this in mind as you read the poll.

Polling is now open. The poll points are listed below. Answer as many or as few as you wish.

1. The current system lists groups as either: Survivor, Zombie, or Hostile. Do you wish to change this classification system?

Please number (#) and time-stamp your signature underneath one of the two answers below. You may select only one.

I do not wish to see the system changed. I am either satisfied with the current classification system, or I do not care what classifications are used.

  1. --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 11:26, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. Less than ten cases of dispute in wiki history --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. I do not see the need to expand these classifications but I must say I have never liked the hostile category --C Whitty 12:37, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. --Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 14:18, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 14:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. -- Present system seems ok to me. --Louis Vernon 16:27 6 March 2011 (BST)
  7. GOD FUCKING DAMN YOU GUYS WHY IS THIS STILL AN ISSUE. Nothing to be done! 19:10, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  8. As Misanthropy. Including the all-caps. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 21:25, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  9. It's more or less fine the way it is, as used, but an other category isn't too bad either. --  AHLGTG 21:50, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  10. now that i've put some thought into it. i agree with mis-- bitch 22:29 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  11. I lead one of the "trickier groups", but I don't really see a need for change. Asheets 21:06, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  12. I see no legitimate reason to change it --Bjornkarl 23:47, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
  13. --EarthlyDelite 11:08, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
  14. I found no fault in the suburb group listing template when I first created it ages ago and, IMHO, it still works fine today. --Mobius 22:15, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
  15. -- --Amilius 18:33, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  16. No need for change, it will just end up like rock music. Too many subcategories is not good. --Umbrella Corp.gif Drunk Link2500 Umbrella Corp.gif 10:54, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
  17. Idle minds are the devil's workshop. --Paddy DignamIS DEAD 16:23, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I do wish to see the system changed. I am not satisfied with the current classification system.

  1. There are a few changes I'd like seen made. ~Vsig.png 08:58, 6 March 2011
  2. The current system doesn't cover the trickier groups. -- †  talk ? f.u. 09:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. I could see the need to rename the awkwardly named Hostile category and to create a catch-all category to cover oddballs as O13, but think it works overall. -- Spiderzed 11:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. as spidey-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!   אמת 11:32, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. Nothing major, unless we choose to dump the distinctions, but at least renaming Hostile would be nice. Aichon 14:14, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:07, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  7. --tyx94 00:42, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  8. --Dr Olivia 01:42, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  9. As per spiderzed, basically --WanYao 06:33, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  10. "Hostile" needs a rename. --Nic LesFlics|?| 09:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
  11. The current system is good but can be expanded. Not sure what to make of this, there is the neutral group like dual-nature group, or the random odd-ball group such as Malton zookeepers who cater to zed and surv alike. A group may be hostile pkers in one suburb but friendly in another. --Northboundsnow 03:58, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  12. I like the idea of at least adding dual nature, and also like the idea of identifying solely along the Zombie/Survivor/Dual nature axis. "Hostile" is actually a much more problematic sort of classification than any of those, and I think that wiki classifications should be as straightforward as possible.--FT 15:48, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  13. I think we need to add a "dual natured" slot even if nothing else changes. --Shatari 20:45, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
  14. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:36, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
  15. Renaming "hostile" would satisfy me. --Pedentic 05:00, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
  16. Unless we deal with this now, we'll just see more edit wars and confusion. The goal of the wiki is to inform, and the current system fails.--ShadowScope'the true enemy' 23:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

2. The template guidelines for adding groups to suburb pages should be updated.

The current guidelines for the Suburb Group template are as follows:

  1. Each group category is its own list, and each list of groups should be sorted in alphabetical order.
  2. Group names must be links to the wiki pages for those groups. They shouldn't link to other articles (e.g. buildings or other locations), nor should they just be plain text.
  3. When "a", "an", or "the" are at the start of a group name, ignore them for purposes of alphabetization. E.g. "The Burchell Arms Regulars" would come before "Malton Police Department" since "B" comes before "M".
  4. Always include a group icon. If the group currently does not have a group icon, use the [[Image:NoGroupIcon.jpg|25px]] icon instead. It looks like this: NoGroupIcon.jpg
  5. The group icon should always be scaled to 25x25 or smaller. In the case that an image is larger include the |25px]] to scale it down to a reasonable size (its height must still be 25px or less).
  6. If the group name is too long (i.e. wraps below the group icon) consider using an acronym (e.g. "Dunell Hills Police Department" = "DHPD")
  7. Organizations of groups (e.g. DEM, South West Alliance, Dulston Alliance) should not be added to the listing.

Please indicate below if you feel these guidelines should be updated. If you feel they should be updated, add a numbered (#) timestamp under the I Agree heading. If you feel they are fine the way they are, add a numbered (#) timestamp under the I Disagree heading.

I agree.

  1. Based on what the community decides on poll point 3, I feel the guidelines should be updated accordingly. ~Vsig.png 08:58, 6 March 2011
  2. -- Spiderzed 11:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 11:25, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. you wanted more homework.. well here it is.. get cracking.-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!   אמת 11:35, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. The page should have an example for fools. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:20, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. Smyg 12:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  7. Those guidelines were made to help people with formatting issues, not rules of enforcement (I would know, since I helped rewrite them a bit). They were never meant to handle cases like this, so updating them would definitely be in order. Aichon 14:15, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  8. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 14:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  9. -- Yes, I agree. --Louis Vernon 16:27 6 March 2011 (BST)
  10. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:08, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  11. --Dr Olivia 01:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  12. Except for #7. I have no problem with an alliance being listed in the groups as a header, with sub-groups present in an indented list underneath it. In fact, I like this idea. --WanYao 06:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  13. Yea, fine. Asheets 21:07, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  14. --Bjornkarl 23:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
  15. Mostly agree, WanYao (12) made a good point. --Northboundsnow 03:51, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  16. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:37, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
  17. --ShadowScope'the true enemy' 23:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I disagree.

  1. --EarthlyDelite 11:10, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. --FT 15:52, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

3. Deciding on a group's classification

The current general consensus is that a group's playing style dictates how they are classified on the suburb listings. Should group classification be dictated only by groups? Please number (#) and timestamp your signature below the statement best describes your opinion on this subject.

A group's playing style should dictate how they are listed.

  1. --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 11:27, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. How a group perceive itself is different from how everyone else perceives themselves. It was really a PKer group's view of itself that caused this arby case that started this whole poll.--ShadowScope'the true enemy' 23:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

The groups should decide how they are listed.

  1. Give groups the final say. They are the only ones that can truly gauge their playing style. This should eliminate the need for arbitration, espcially if some minor tweaks are made to the classification system. ~Vsig.png 08:58, 6 March 2011
  2. That has always been the way it has been handled by precedent. -- Spiderzed 11:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. if it ain't broke don't fix it.-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!   אמת 11:36, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:21, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. Smyg 12:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. Only the group itself can analyze its own motivation, and since the same action can land groups into different categories based on their motivation, that means that only the group itself is qualified to place itself in a category. Aichon 14:16, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  7. --Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 14:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  8. Probably the only important part of this poll IMO. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 14:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  9. -- should be up to the group to decide, but there should be some type of review system --Louis Vernon 16:29 6 March 2011 (BST)
  10. As Aichon. Less troublesome. --  AHLGTG 18:02, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  11. THIS. Nothing to be done! 19:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  12. I'm actually tempted to vote otherwise in order to see how many hilarious arbies cases are spawned out of the alternative. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 21:23, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  13. Serious disputes where a group is obviously classifying themselves incorrectly can be left to Arbys. But this is such a rare occurance anyway... --WanYao 06:38, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  14. As WanYao. Asheets 21:08, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  15. --EarthlyDelite 11:12, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
  16. Let's avoid the potential drama and go with this one. --Mobius 22:17, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
  17. --FT 15:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  18. --Amilius 18:40, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  19. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:37, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Neither option works very well. I'd rather go with something else.

  1. Limiting the classifications to active and historical should remove most problems regarding where they belong. -- †  talk ? f.u. 09:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. Pretty much as above, except I'm open for completely dropping classifications and just going with listing groups by alphabetical order. - User:Whitehouse 18:52, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. (Newcomer perspective) No classifications. A list is enough, as suggested above. --Dr Olivia 01:52, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

4. Improved Classification vs Conflict Resolution

There are two main reasons for the desire to change the current classification system:

  • To improve the scope, accuracy or ease-of-use for classifying suburb groups.
  • To help decrease or stop conflicts caused by disagreements in how groups are listed.

Please number (#) and time-stamp your signature underneath the statement that best describes your reasons for wanting change. You may select only one.

The scope of the current classification system is limited and I feel it should be changed to reflect how the game has evolved.

I feel the current system should be changed to decrease or eliminate conflicts over how groups are classified.

  1. The classifications are decent now, aside from Hostile. That said, these disputes are annoying and shouldn't have reason to exist. Aichon 14:17, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. As Aichon.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:11, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. As above.--ShadowScope'the true enemy' 23:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Both improved classification and reduced conflicts are equally important to me

  1. I think both issues should be addressed.~Vsig.png 08:58, 6 March 2011
  2. Obviously. -- †  talk ? f.u. 09:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. Conflict-resolution is more important, but I don't see how both couldn't be adressed at once. -- Spiderzed 11:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. i am spidey's meat-puppet.-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!   אמת 11:38, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. Sure. Smyg 12:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. Sense should prevail... oh wait... nevermind my momentary laspe of sanity --WanYao 06:40, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  7. --EarthlyDelite 11:13, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Neither improved classification nor reduced conflicts are important to me at all

  1. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:21, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. --Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 14:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 14:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. --Louis Vernon 16:30 6 March 2011 (BST)
  5. Nothing to be done! 19:13, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. Increased relevant information is important to me. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 21:22, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  7. The simpler, the better is what is important to me. --Dr Olivia 01:55, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  8. Asheets 21:09, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  9. Isn't this kinda the same question as #1 about whether to change the classification system?--Amilius 18:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  10. What a clusterfuck. --Paddy DignamIS DEAD 16:26, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
  11. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:39, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

5. Types of changes

There are three general types of changes proposed:

  • Expanded classification
  • Reduced classification
  • Changes in the classification language.

Please number (#) and time-stamp your signature underneath the statement that best describes the changes you would like to see if a new classification system is made.

There should be more group types added to the list of classifications

  1. There should be exactly one more group classification. "Other" should be added. ~Vsig.png 08:58, 6 March 2011
  2. Get a less awkward name for Hostile, and add an Other category. -- Spiderzed 11:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. god damnit spidey stop being so right all the time.-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!   אמת 11:44, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. Smyg 12:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. Simply other or something. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 14:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. Agree with comments above about 'other' class --Louis Vernon 16:32 6 March 2011 (BST)
  7. As spiderzed. But I am against the current "Hostile" class being lumped in with "Other" --WanYao 06:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  8. --Bjornkarl 23:50, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
  9. --EarthlyDelite 11:13, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
  10. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:39, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
  11. As above.--ShadowScope'the true enemy' 23:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

There should be fewer group types on the list of classifications

  1. Groups should be classified according to activity. -- †  talk ? f.u. 09:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. Should be groups that operate as survivors and those that operate as zombies.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:14, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. Alphabetical order will do. - User:Whitehouse 19:00, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. Simple listing is enough, as suggested above --Dr Olivia 01:56, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Only the language of the classification system should be changed

  1. (Second choice) I'd also be in favor of changing the "Hostile" classification to "Other".~Vsig.png 08:58, 6 March 2011
  2. Either reduce the number of group types, or else rename Hostile to something like Other. There is no reason to add more listing categories for all of these niche classifications. Aichon 14:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. As Vapor Asheets 21:09, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. As per Vapor --Amilius 18:45, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

6. What Information Should Group Categories provide?

Group classification systems can provide a variety of information, from how many groups are in a given suburb to some basic descriptor about that group. The current system tells us:

  • How many groups are in the suburb.
  • What their names are .
  • What type (Zombie, Survivor, and Hostile) that group belongs to.

What information do you want the suburb page to provide to you?

I think it is more important to know how many groups are in a suburb and their names.

  1. I don't rely a lot as it is on the classification system as it is and usually will just click the link to the group's page if i want more info. ~Vsig.png 08:58, 6 March 2011
  2. As Vapor. -- †  talk ? f.u. 09:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. As Vapor. Aichon 14:20, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. The only important part. If you wish to know more, click the links. - User:Whitehouse 18:53, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. Nothing to be done! 19:14, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. links are all I need --Dr Olivia 01:58, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I think it is more important to know what type of groups are in a suburb.

Both are equally as important to me.

  1. -- Spiderzed 11:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 11:34, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. -- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!   אמת 11:45, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:22, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. Smyg 12:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 14:49, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  7. --Louis Vernon 16:32 6 March 2011 (BST)
  8. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:15, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  9. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 21:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  10. --Penguinpyro 23:35, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  11. --WanYao 06:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  12. --EarthlyDelite 11:14, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
  13. --FT 15:58, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  14. --Amilius 18:47, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  15. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:40, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
  16. --ShadowScope'the true enemy' 23:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

7. Type of Classifier

There are three general types of proposed classifiers:

  • Classifiers that group based on player-classes. In this system, survivor groups are composed of Military, Civilian, and Scientist classes. Zombie groups are composed of the "Corpse" class.A third grouping would be composed of both.
  • Classifiers that group based on play-style. In this system, groups are played on how they play the game. For example, in one system, "Survivor" groups might be ones that actively protect a suburb or survivor-classes. "Zombie" groups might be ones that are actively trying to kill survivor-classes. "Hostile" groups might be ones that are actively trying to impede both "Survivor" and "Zombie" groups, or just one.
  • Classifers that group based on group-status. In this system, groups are either "Active," or "Not Active / Historical."

What type of classifier is important to you? You may select more than one.

Classifying groups based on player-class is more important to me

  1. Only because classifying them as alive or dead is the best way to reduce the amount of little bitchy conflicts -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 14:50, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Classifying groups based on play-style is more important to me.

  1. ~Vsig.png 08:58, 6 March 2011
  2. -- Spiderzed 11:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 11:37, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. -- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!   אמת 11:46, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. Smyg 12:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. This method is acceptable, but so is the one below, hence my multiple votes. Aichon 14:21, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  7. Because it's more accurate, informative, and relevant. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 21:18, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  8. The wiki common pages are an information resource, not a propaganda site --WanYao 06:44, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  9. --EarthlyDelite 11:14, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
  10. --Penguinpyro 03:53, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
  11. --Amilius 18:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  12. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:41, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Classifying groups based on their current active/not active status is more important to me.

  1. See my reasons above. -- †  talk ? f.u. 09:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. This method is acceptable, but so is the one above, hence my multiple votes. Aichon 14:21, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. --Louis Vernon 16:33 6 March 2011 (BST)
  4. This ties in with my opinion that only names of the groups are important. - User:Whitehouse 18:56, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. If there has to be a classification, this sounds the simplest, and thus the best. --Dr Olivia 02:01, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:41, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
  7. --ShadowScope'the true enemy' 23:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

8. Groups that are not easily classified

How should groups that do not fall neatly into a category be handled?

Groups should just pick the category that they think works best for them.

  1. Nothing to be done! 19:15, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. Seriously? Is this really a question? --DTPraise KnowledgePK 21:16, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Groups should create a new category on a suburb-by-suburb basis that describes their group more accurately.

  1. Within reason. And with some Malton-wide standardisation where possible. --WanYao 06:46, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

There should be an "Other" category for groups to use. If they want a more detailed description, they should create a one or two-word descriptor by their name.

  1. This. ~Vsig.png 08:58, 6 March 2011
  2. -- Spiderzed 11:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 11:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. -- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!   אמת 11:46, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. Smyg 12:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. Other works for me, but no one or two-word descriptors. Just let people check their wiki pages, which they are already required to link based on the guidelines. Aichon 14:22, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  7. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 14:50, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  8. -- am ok with other --Louis Vernon 16:35 6 March 2011 (BST)
  9. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:16, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  10. --Penguinpyro 23:36, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  11. As Aichon Asheets 21:10, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  12. --EarthlyDelite 11:15, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
  13. --FT 16:01, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  14. --Amilius 18:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  15. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:42, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
  16. --ShadowScope'the true enemy' 23:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

9. Dual Nature and Combined Zombie/Survivor Groups

Dual Nature is an in-game philosophy where players play the game based on their current in-game state (dead or alive). Some groups have members who are both zombies and survivors. Please number (#) and time-stamp your signature underneath the statement that best describes how you would feel Dual Nature groups or groups composed of both zombies and survivors should be classified (if at all). You may select only one.

I would like to see Dual Nature and Combined Zombie/Survivor added as it's own separate category

  1. "Other" is not an appropriate way to describe one of the dominant styles of play.--FT 16:03, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:43, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I like the idea of having a category for either Dual Nature or Combined Zombie/Survivor groups, but there needs to be a better name.

  1. "Other" is not good enough to describe groups who are playing in the style the game was intended to be played in (i.e., Dual Nature) --WanYao 06:48, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. --EarthlyDelite 11:15, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

I do not think it is necessary to create a new category for these groups.

  1. See poll point above. ~Vsig.png 08:58, 6 March 2011
  2. Is rare enough to be covered by Other. -- Spiderzed 11:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. yeA MOAR Time wasting and bickering. other works just fine.-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!   אמת 11:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 11:51, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. You can list under both, The Randoms did it for years.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:22, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. Meh. Smyg 12:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  7. Agreeing with the others. Just use an Other category in place of Hostile. Aichon 14:23, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  8. --Louis Vernon 16:36 6 March 2011 (BST)
  9. "Other" --  AHLGTG 17:53, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  10. Nothing to be done! 19:17, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  11. Just list under both zombie and survivor. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 21:14, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  12. "Other" is good enough.--Penguinpyro 23:37, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  13. Asheets 21:10, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  14. I would say that "Other" *is* a good way to classify groups who don't participate in the classic 'Survivor v Zombie' way.--Amilius 18:52, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  15. --ShadowScope'the true enemy' 23:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

10. Alternative Group Suburb Classifications

Below is a randomly ordered list of proposed classification systems. Please number (#) and time-stamp your signature underneath the ones that you agree with. You may select more than one.

Hostile to Zombies / Hostile to Survivor / Hostile to Both / Hostile to no one

Attacks Zombies / Attacks Survivors / Attacks Both / Attacks Neither

Pro-Survivor / Pro-Zombie / Indifferent

Survivor / Zombie / Independent

  1. -- Spiderzed 11:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. -- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!   אמת 11:49, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:23, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. Smyg 12:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. WAGON JUMP! - I mean - On second thought, this isn't too bad. -- †  talk ? f.u. 13:36, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. Independent isn't bad, but Other makes more sense, I think. Aichon 14:24, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  7. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  8. As Aichon. --  AHLGTG 17:51, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  9. --Penguinpyro 23:37, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  10. Asheets 21:11, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  11. As per Aichon's comment. --Amilius 18:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  12. --ShadowScope'the true enemy' 23:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Keep the same system but add a "At War With..." to list specific groups in conflict on suburb pages

  1. Sort of. Keep this off of the suburb pages, but let groups mutually declare hostility towards each other on their own pages if they so choose. If they don't, then there's no need to, because fuck all of this red tape nonsense. Nothing to be done! 19:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. Because this will let people avoid edit wars when they are fighting in-game wars. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 21:13, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. --EarthlyDelite 11:16, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Alive / Dead / Other

Survivor / Zombie / Independent / Dual Nature

  1. --EarthlyDelite 11:17, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. Seems like the simplest method to use. --Shatari 20:51, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:44, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Groups

  1. This is all that is really needed. There is a reason the names are links, so you can find out more if you are truly interested. Might also encourage people to learn a bit about their potential enemies and allies. - User:Whitehouse 18:49, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. As stated above... Trying to classify all the groups is unnecessary. As long as the groups keep their pages updated and clear, people can learn all they need easily enough there.--Dr Olivia 02:07, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. Missed this choice. I actually like it better than Active/Historical, since it gets rid of the Historical nonsense from suburb pages. Aichon 07:23, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Active Groups / Historic Groups

  1. It's my suggestion. And my resoning behind still stands. -- †  talk ? f.u. 09:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. -- Spiderzed 11:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  3. -- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!   אמת 11:49, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  4. Smyg 12:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  5. Up for this, though we will need to tackle who gets to be listed in the Historical section at some point, since it's still the wild west. Aichon 14:24, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  6. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  7. As Aichon. --  AHLGTG 17:52, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  8. Not a fan of the Historic section, but I could live with it. - User:Whitehouse 18:50, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  9. Sorted. -- Cheese 18:51, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Survivor / Zombie / Dual Nature

  1. --FT 16:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Living / Dead / Other

  1. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. --  AHLGTG 17:51, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

None of the Above

  1. I don't like any of these changes. See my voting above. --WanYao 06:50, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


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