UDWiki talk:Administration/Sysop Archives/A Helpful Little Gnome/2007-11-05 Promotion

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A Helpful Little Gnome

I was wondering(I'm really just lazy), would someone mind moving all the comments on votes that aren't actually essential to the discussion here(like is done on A/M, A/VB, Category_talk:Historical_Groups, and Category_talk:Historical_Events), it's kinda making it near impossible to follow along and know what actually pertains to the bid.--Karekmaps?! 20:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Sadly not... I tried but it just ran over everything else... maybe someone who knows what they are doing would like to try ;)--Honestmistake 22:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Of course. Let me get onto that.

Lengthy debate moved from Main page (If I've moved the wrong bits, let me know!)

  1. Ok, i think i get what he is trying to do. He is trying to present my position in the subject as being two irreconcilable positions (Without any justification as to how these are irreconcilable), rather than one perfectly happy one. Anyway, i earlier pointed out his (Gnomes) judgement was suspect given the fact that in an earlier case he didnt look at all the info before passing judgement on it, he failed to follow instructions on the page regarding how to respond if you are ininvolved, and how he has shown a marked willingness to subvert both administrative discussions and processes if it will get him a cheap laugh. These are not minor black marks, but gigantic black smears on his character that make him unfot for the job. A good janitor doesnt ignore dust, or make a half hearted effort, or tip over the bins, which is preciesely what everything the Gnome has indicated will happen through his past behaviour. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 19:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
    I can't beleive you're being so nasty about Gnome, Grim. You know he's not like that. Please, don't have a go at Gnome because you realy want to have a go at MF, and that's the best way to go about it.--SeventythreeTalk 00:31, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
    Im not being nasty, im arguing my position fervently, because if i dont it will be washed away by a stream of contentless vouches. If you want me to be nasty, i can open my can of flames. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 03:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
    This is Grim: totally oblivious about points the others make, totally relentless with his own arguments. I'd bet that if his way of "consensus" was implemented then this prom bid would be failed. I'm not saying any consensus system, but his, as the system he would prefer. Look at this prom bid itself and count Grim's reply. It's like he expressed his views against Gnome every other vouch: Don't worry Grim, you're not getting washed away even if we wished so. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 05:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
    Just so everyone is clear, Matt started this. Now that i have got that out of the way, exactly what purpose did that ad hominem serve? If you want to attack me, by all means go ahead, but there are places called talk pages where you can make your comments without shitting up promotions bids. To be honest, i had a good chuckle, since this is more of the same low level background weak as piss harrassment ive been taking from you since i kicked the shit out of you in the debates while you were a sysop and shortly afterwards. Too weak to take me on in a fight, but way too sore to let the matter die. Go crawl back under your bridge and troll somewhere else where it wont shit up an administrative matter. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 06:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
    And your own accusations? Anyways, what tickles me off is that you blindly believe that you made some points that are above all the guys that vouched, and so it counts as more. It doesn't matter how much users such as gnome or others try to talk you out of it, you remain impervious to reason, so as they have to abandon the discussion out of some sense of self-preservation and let you relive another empty "victory". You have already made your points in your vote or comment or whatever, but you had to turn this prom bid into a "Grim's arguments vs everyone else's" instead of the even discussion it should be. Everything your insert your own views into necessarily has to turn into that?
    I know they are half made conclussions and have no more content that the lines of code they take, but IMNSHO the reason you support the consensus system is the same reason why you think your points "shouldn't be washed away" or that your own view is somehow "more important": you want a way to get things done your way all the time and if a consensus system that allows "arguments" to be more valuated than users is approved then a fabulous arguer such as you would get benefited. None of your wiki rules discussions, should they be at A/PD or somewhere else, have shown nothing but a big desire of selfpromotion and benefit. Feel free to argue away all you want, I'm fed up with your arguments the same everyone else is after a while, so go and childishly claim "I kicked the shit out of you" yet again: you can have another empty victory for all I care. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 06:30, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
    Matt, kindly refrain from shitting up this page with baseless assertions and, more importantly, personal attacks. If you want such a fight, i will gladly give it to you, but not in the middle of this hard to edit bid. As for what little on topic content there was: I have provided links and examples of everything i have accused the gnome of. My arguments have been verified. If you would like to take issue with that evidence, please do so under my own vouch, instead of attempting to pick a fight here. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 06:36, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
    Jesus, dude. Take your own advice already. -- Atticus Rex mfu pif Δ 06:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
    Exactly where did i try to hijack this bid with off topic crap to launch into a personal tirade against another commenter? (The above doesnt count, self defense is perfectly fine, though i expect him to carry that on on either the talk page or my talk page if he decides he wants to continue it). --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 06:26, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
    You've made your argument; you don't need to repeat yourself a dozen times in an attempt to rebut people who disagree with you. People are sometimes gonna disagree with you. You don't want the Gnome promoted, we get it, you've made that perfectly clear, thank you. -- Atticus Rex mfu pif Δ 07:23, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
    Grim, do you honestly think I'll go around deleting random pages, banning users in jest and yelling "Huurr! I r so funney!"? I'm not an idiotic twelve year old who gets a kick out of dismantling wikis and creating havoc. And where do you get this "sabotages talks pages" thing from? If you think it's my random sillyness then I'm definitely not laughing. Heck, even sysops humour. Look at Hagnat and his ridiculously ugly sig. Does that make him incapable of janitorial duties? Definitely not. It shows he has the ability to humour a bit and have fun. And where do you get the impression that I don't give crap about this wiki? Do you any idea how long it takes to block 17 suburbs? What about finding newbie mistakes fixing them and pointing out the error so he/she doesn't make the mistake again? What about going out of my way to add the bulletin boards to something close to 90 suburbs? Nobody even cares about bulletin boards! Do you think I mentor people because I don't have the best interests of the wiki at heart? No, I quite love this suped up text messaging game with zombies and guns as much as I like the community. I enjoy accomplishing wiki things like that thing on my to-do list, or fixing that formatting problem, even though editing this wiki serves no purpose whatsoever to me in my life. What I really want is the ability to help it a little bit more.
    You might think I'd be unstable in the vandal banning department. Is that the only thing a sysop does? I'm not going to force myself into something that I don't feel completely sure of. If I'm confused about a policy about vandal banning, I'm not just going to whip down the ban hammer and laugh like a little girl. Like Vista said, there are plenty of other sysops to do work but it's never a bad thing to have a few extra helping hands. And I do have the ability to ask questions on things I'm unsure of. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
    What does any of that have to, even remotely, do with being a sysop?--Karekmaps?! 22:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
    The only real scandal regarding the "delete deletions" thing is that anyone got banned at all... the only reason i didn't vote for it is cos some humorless bugger Vandal banned it first. The whole thing was a funny and insightful joke blown out of all proportion by people with an inflated sense of themselves, if left to run its course it would have vanished into obscurity. To hold a vote about something as petty as this against a widely respected user is a disgrace and I would have thought it way beneath both of you! I disagree with a lot of the sysops rulings but this whole debate just stinks of some sort of elitist witch hunt. AHLG voted on something you did not find funny, so what? He does good work and obviously knows the code, Sysop duties are seperate from user responsibilities, or so some keep saying! If thats the case then judge him on ability and the amount of proven bad faith edits he has made not on your own tainted opinion of him! --Honestmistake 03:07, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
    And the entire thing's turned into a slagging match between two users that adds absolutely nothing to the promotion thing, but does conveniantly add a whole load of text to the page, full of (mostly) not-so-thinly veiled attacks on each other. Wow. Never saw that one coming....--SeventythreeTalk 16:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
    Grim? Get into a senseless flame war with another user? Never!--Wooty 18:39, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
    You could say the same thing about Matt. Don't be so quick to lay all the blame for drama on Grim. He's a nice juicy target, I know, but it does take two to tango - whether people like it or not. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 00:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
    I don't think Grim is an easy target, to be honest. Both of them are to blame. Neither had to raise to the bate, did they?--SeventythreeTalk 10:01, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
    Can someone move this shit to the talk page, all this flame is crapping up the page and doesn't need to be in the middle of the voting page! Some of it may be valid but none of it should be here... that goes for a lot of the other extended "conversations" too! --Honestmistake 09:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
    If the spam bothers you that much, just do it yourself. And I picked Grim because I've never seen Matt get into a flame war with another user before (but from what I've heard he does it all the time), whereas I've seen Grim get in five or six. If Grim gives his opinion on another user, the chance of flame war goes up more than a few notches. But seriously, this discussion is getting very off topic.--Wooty 15:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
    I would have but it took me 5 attempts to get the request up! Do i just copy and paste then delete this? I have a poor record at anything more than simple editing and don't want to make things worse by destroying the page!!! Seriously though this section is longer than the rest of the page. --Honestmistake 15:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
    Well, I'm pretty sure there's still stuff about me in there somewhere so it might be confusing to the reader if we cut out a bunch. Although if you did want to remove it, then a simple copy and paste to the talk page would do (but save the copied text to the talk page first, before removing from the article, just to be safe).--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:32, 12 November 2007 (UTC)