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Hey, check out my user page : ) DarkStar2374383 Talk | LDY | LOE 18:38, 18 June 2006 (BST)

I'm so glad that you liked it. It makes it all worthwile. Well, that and Doubler finally admitting that some of his members might be using alternate characters in inappropriate ways and that the argument about my use of the images was crap. --Akule 01:57, 19 June 2006 (BST)

Lately ive been thinking of doin some certain stuff. But i dont want to mention anything about it really. you have a email address i can reach you at? DarkStar2374383 Talk | LDY | LOE 12:55, 19 June 2006 (BST)

Yes. Yes I do. I'm making someone send it to you via Resensitized as I am temp banned until tomorrow. I'm naughty! :D --Akule 05:49, 20 June 2006 (BST)

Akule, you recieved your first warning for vandalism. further vandalism will result in your loss of editing privilages. the vandalism in question was uploading the picture of The Fifth Horseman.--Vista 18:11, 20 June 2006 (BST)

Gotcha. I didn't realize that uploading a picture of someone was worse than the logos I redesigned. I'll avoid doing that in the future. --Akule 17:53, 22 June 2006 (BST)


The ruling is in.Xoid STFU! 17:57, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Thanks for performing that duty. I know it was a lot of stuff to surf through. --Akule 00:28, 28 June 2006 (BST)


I just thought of something. For our "Project" (If we use name discussed in email) we should have some sort of flag as a image. DarkStar2374383 Talk | LDY | LOE 06:38, 1 July 2006 (BST)

Just wondering whats going on. You dont seem to be active, and im wondering if your still interested on this. -- DarkStar2374383 Talk | LDY | LOE 02:43, 16 July 2006 (BST)
Been away for a while. I'm now getting back up to speed. --Akule 00:19, 21 July 2006 (BST)


yuo rascal-That's Why I did your Wife 22:14, 21 July 2006 (BST)

Do Stuff Correctly!

Replace the template with this: {{Laffo5th|User=Akule}} --DarkStar2374383 Talk | LDY | LOE 06:08, 23 July 2006 (BST)

Anti-Stupidity Alliance

Hello, I would like to invite you to the Anti-Stupidity Alliance. I hope you'll join so the alliance can get off the ground, and that we can add some more content. Thanks!--A1C JerryASSPKASAT 10:00, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Re: Arbitration ruling clarification request

You may wish to ask Hagnat or Brizth, but I get the feeling that there isn't another way (other than opening a new arbitration case). Then again, arbitration rules are not my strong point. –Xoid STFU! 04:11, 15 September 2006 (BST)

thanks! --Akule 16:16, 15 September 2006 (BST)

First of all, there's no rules concerning changing arbitration rulings, so technically anything is possible. Common (?) sense says that larger changes warrant a new arbitration case, but at least in this particular case I feel just modifying the old ruling is ok. The spirit of the ruling is quite clear in my opinion, and I feel that's the one we should follow. Since Xoid wrote the original I think he should make the changes, but my general thoughts are these:

Rule #4 (and #2) seems rather ambiguous, with the first sentence speaking about interaction (which I think includes changing someone's journal) and the second sentence talking about contacting the other party (which IMO only includes talk pages). This edit would fall under normal group page ownership guidelines anyway. Hmm. Maybe explicitly listing all the forbidden pages is not such a good idea, as he could (and did) claim that they do not fall under the ruling. I believe the usual arbitration wording is "Pages where X can be considered an invested party". Or something similar. Ironically, that would be even more ambiguous than the current ruling, but in a good way...

Bah, what am I blathering here. Xoid should know what he meant with the ruling and should be able to re-phrase it. --Brizth M T


You should be a lawyer. You seem to be obsessed with these sorts of things enough. --Joe O'Wood TALKCONTRIBSUD 00:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Hell, I was gonna post here and ask this guy if he was a lawyer. Sure sounds like one. Oh, and I hope I don't violate any copyrights with this post, considering how imprecise and ambiguous our license here is, --Daranz. talk . mod . 02:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I will be, and no. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 06:36, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Out of curiosity...

What IS the driving force behind your sudden interest in the large and debatable field of electronic copyright law? Your research and effort put into it shows more than a passing fancy. I'd just like to know the reasons behind your interest, without the chaff of other folks jumping to conclusions about you. --MorthBabid 20:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

This isn't something new, he leaps from place to place, trying to put right what once went wrong, and hoping that each time his next leap.... will be the leap home.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 20:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Omg!!! I have to do a template abouy Quantum Leap!!! Haven't seen that show since a long long time... -Certified=InsaneQuébécois 22:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm a law student, and I've done extensive research on Copyright Law. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 06:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
How do you feel about the current state of electronic copyright law as it stands in the UK? --MorthBabid 00:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
What do you mean? How do I feel about how they have the rules set up? --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 03:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, how well do you think they represent the will of the populus, for starters? Are there places where you feel the letter of the law could be expanded, even if you don't personally know how? --MorthBabid 08:57, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Law student--ok. But you still haven't really indicated a motive--I mean, is all this out of a sincere and grave fear for Kevan's welfare, out of a pure, driven sense of justice (such justice as the laws may be argued as providing for), to annoy/harass/get attention... not accusing or favoring any one of these (or any other motive), just sincerely wondering. In any case, it seems like a lot of effort that needs some kind of significant motive. I mean, if I see litter I pick it up, try to do my part--but I don't go around trying to clean the streets in my free hours. --Barbecue Barbecue 22:55, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Does my motive really matter? The idea is to keep Kevan safe and clean up the wiki. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 02:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


Akule said:
Actually, no. I didn't know that. I'll switch my vote.--Dr. Frank Sloth Akule News - All The News That's Fit To Print. 22:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Will you please change your vote, as you said you would? Thanks. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 03:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Why Exactly

Did you chose to respond to my point on copyright law with an unprovoked and unsubstantiated attack on my sex life? --Stroth MOB 03:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I was just wondering if you were that same moderator. No need to be testy. --User:Akule Akule News. 15:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Your Journal Page

Do you know that there is a delete template on top of your journal? --ZombieSlay3rSig.png 02:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


Gage was acting within the rules. He did it in his usual blunt style, but frankly seeing the amount of drama it created, it's better off where it is now.-- Vista  +1  09:02, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Except that he also changed the title to something completely different, which, as I recall, is a vandal banning offense, isn't it? Or can I go to the speedy deletions page right now and move any request that has a keep vote on it and make whatever title I want? --Akule School's in session. 09:06, 10 July 2007 (BST)
Just let it go. Stop arguing. don't try to go to arbitration, don't add anymore to the discussion. right now nothing productive is coming from it and if you continue it never will. You are creating a lot of drama for no reason at all. take a 24 hour break from it and let it ly-- Vista  +1  09:40, 10 July 2007 (BST)
Alright. --Akule School's in session. 09:45, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Thank you

Thanks for the template. :p --Sonny Corleone RRF CoL DORIS CRF pr0n 17:08, 30 July 2007 (BST)

You are certainly welcome. --Akule School's in session. 13:26, 4 August 2007 (BST)

Toe Tags

Hi. Just wanted to notify you that your "toe tags" clothes suggestion was implemented sneakingly along with some other clothes suggestions about a week ago. They can be found in hospitals/fort infirmaries and NTs --~~~~T''' 13:04, 25 August 2007 (BST)

Excellent! I'm glad that Kevan liked the idea. --Akule School's in session. 16:54, 27 August 2007 (BST)

Copyright Crusade

I honestly believe you are taking it too far. Yes, some images are clear copyright rip-offs. Yes, I believe the mostly unused ones should be deleted. However, your recent deletion "crusade" is taking things too far. At this rate, even if you are entirely in the right, nobody will listen to you. Radicals have alot of trouble. SuperMario24 02:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Quite possibly, however, Kevan said things will be changing. A fact that many people are having problems with. --User:Akule Akule News. 02:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Then try to minimize your crusade until that change comes. Your alienating yourself and those few on the wiki who would support you. SuperMario24 02:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
With change brings turmoil. --User:Akule Akule News. 02:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Quit trying to be the next Amazing. You, sir, are no Amazing! --Zod Rhombus 03:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Not trying to be. Thanks for the visit though. --User:Akule Akule News. 15:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[1] - Pardus 22:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

That's fine and good, however, until the current system changes, we have to be careful. Even then, the current copyright policy of the wiki is pretty clear. Currently, we're working on categorizing images first, then we can move on to the next step. --Akule School's in session. 19:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Month late response

Thanks for noticing that you're on my groups shit list. Just wanted to reinforce how much you annoy me. You're also in my firing squad template.--Rogue 22:06, 4 September 2007 (BST)

I'm glad I could give you a purpose in the game. Without me, you'd be wandering the wilderness of Malton with nothing to do. I gave you a goal. You're welcome. --Akule School's in session. 22:23, 4 September 2007 (BST)
No that's ToTalk's job. But thank you for giving me something to do on the side. --Rogue 09:34, 5 September 2007 (BST)
Then I gave you a side-quest. Clearly something beneficial can be had at the end of it, like a new wardrobe. --Akule School's in session. 23:50, 5 September 2007 (BST)

The wiki is/isn't commercial

Hello could help but notice the last flare up in the great wiki copyright wars and I would like to try and end it once and for all. It seams, to me at least, this clearly is a commercial website but there seems to be some confusion that free does not mean noncommercial. Is there anywhere were kevan has said that the wiki is commercial? A quote from him could bring an end to that part of struggle and you seam like the person who would know where it was if it existed already. - Vantar 00:37, 8 September 2007 (BST)

Well... heh, I'm not akule, and try to stay out of the copyright drama... but how about the lil thing might give it away ;) --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 00:49, 8 September 2007 (BST)
Well, aside from the fact that the wiki is a subpage of, the about page, does state that "Urban Dead is an HTML/text-based MMORPG created by Kevan Davis. The game went live in July 2005. Set in a quarantined region of the fictional city of Malton, it deals with the immediate aftermath of a zombie outbreak. New players can start as a human or zombie, each with different abilities and limitations. In over a year, Urban Dead has garnered over 800,000 registered players. Statistics for the wiki are available as well." This shows that the wiki is a part of the service that Kevan provides. I'll have to make a page where I explain out the myths of copyright law, the facts of copyright law, and how it pertains to us. --Akule School's in session. 20:53, 8 September 2007 (BST)
Actually Akule, Kevan has before said that the wiki is one a completely separate server.--Karekmaps?! 22:25, 10 September 2007 (BST)
Go ahead and link me. Then, also look at the page. The wiki is a subpage of the urban dead site, meaning that it is grouped together with the Urban Dead game. --Akule School's in session. 01:57, 12 September 2007 (BST)

Do you think UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Copyrights Update 1 is enough to answer any questions people have about commercial use? - Vantar 05:56, 9 September 2007 (BST)

It will help, but people won't follow it even then. They will continue to ignore what that policy says and what Kevan has to say about it. Look up at Karek. He could give a flying crap of what is on that page or what Kevan wants. Many users are like that. I could flesh out the Copyright page to explain how copyright law works with the wiki and in the UK, but I doubt people will read it. --Akule School's in session. 01:57, 12 September 2007 (BST)

Regarding Grim_s

It's basically up to Kevan how the wiki is run and whether steps are taken to shape the culture towards something more adult. Personally, I like to see civility wherever I go, but this is a wiki attached to a game with huge variation in ages - I'll push for more civility, but not too hard (on Wikipedia I pushed considerably harder because it was actually trying to get things done). As Grim_s is an admin already (or whatever they're called on this MediaWiki), and given how relatively new I am on this particular Wiki, I don't want to rock the boat too much, even as I am bothered by how he conducts himself. I might chime in to Kevan in that discussion at some point, I'm not sure. Take care, and thanks for the pointer. --Pgunn 01:39, 9 September 2007 (BST)

Well, I am encouraged with Kevan's response, and I will work toward making the wiki a better place. It's nice to know that he shares my opinion in this matter. --Akule School's in session. 02:39, 11 September 2007 (BST)

The link

Thanks for the link you sent. Some poeple on this site need to let their balls drop. --Scout 2107 03:29, 10 September 2007 (BST)

It's more that some people need to know that they are role-models for good wiki-behavior. It helps curb bad behavior better than having a sysop who is behaving like an ass. --Akule School's in session. 02:38, 11 September 2007 (BST)
Or a user who constantly harasses people he dislikes and attempts to use the system as a vehicle for their hatreds? I wonder who would ever do that.--Karekmaps?! 02:43, 11 September 2007 (BST)
Following policy is hardly harassment. Amusingly enough, if I do a simple stroll through your contributions, I can find very blatant harassment against people. --Akule School's in session. 01:59, 12 September 2007 (BST)

Policy Reference

Thanks for the note. I did indeed shift my vote based on recent sysop "input". Not a perfect policy, but better than the status quo. Cheers. --Dylan Mak Tyme 05:01, 13 September 2007 (BST)


A case has been started against you. Please check. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 18:42, 13 September 2007 (BST)

I noticed. The latest in a long series of harassment against me. It's not really a big surprise. I guess when Kevan shot them down and then agreed with my assessment of Grim, it pissed them off. --Akule School's in session. 23:27, 13 September 2007 (BST)

RE:International Copyright

I've only had time to give it a brief skimming (real life = extremely busy) but what I've seen looks like a nice summary of the copyright laws in general. After Copyrights Update 1 moves to voting I'm going to thrash out a basic "Copyrights and their uses on the Wiki" FAQ to try and make a more user friendly presentation of all the various copyright pages that keep getting brought up in the Copyright debates. - Vantar 03:26, 21 September 2007 (BST)

The extremely rough draft of the aforementioned FAQ is here User:Vantar/Sandbox can you think of any more questions it should have/points it should make - Vantar 04:31, 25 September 2007 (BST)


Please enter your side of the case as soon as is conveinient, so that we may resolve it as soon as possible. Conndrakamod TDHPD CFT 04:21, 22 September 2007 (BST)

At this point Im not even asking for the details of the arbitration....I just want to hear each persons perspective of WHY it made it to arbitration, And THEIR view of the you don't have to go first the names are in alphabetical order... I'll get to the where and whyfores of the arbitration later... Conndrakamod TDHPD CFT 07:11, 23 September 2007 (BST)
After reading everything I believe rebuttals will be an exercise in futility, drawing out the process longer than it needs to. I'm fairly certain I have everything I need, especially after reading the content and demeanor of the initial statements. Conndrakamod TDHPD CFT 02:07, 18 October 2007 (BST)

Vandalism Re:

No problem, that's why I'm here. He's probably going to trash my page now. ;) --ZombieSlay3rSig.pngT 02:45, 9 October 2007 (BST)

Arby's And with all the links, I kept getting distracted! Can't you go easy on the people with short attention spans? Geez. Good luck.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:00, 11 October 2007 (BST)

Yeah, I know. I had a lot to say, and I am taking it seriously. I'm just wondering if Grim is going to see the similarities over his recent rash of dickering over a rule for the suggestions page, and my very similar argument about the rules of arbitration, as he considered it irrelevant. But hey, I'm just a mindless wikilawyer right? It's not like Grim escalated it in order to prove his point. :D --Akule School's in session. 01:17, 12 October 2007 (BST)
Mindless my ass! It'd be much easier to ignore copyrights if you were mindless! :).-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 02:22, 13 October 2007 (BST)
Ah, but it can't be that easy. Now, if we allowed for off-site linking of images, we could avoid the issue altogether. Kevan wouldn't be at risk as the copyrighted images would not be hosted on his site, and we could keep them confined to the user pages. The wiki could then just host unique urban dead-specific images (ex. The Great Mall Project) on the main pages. People could then "have their cake and eat it too", as they could keep their copyrighted images and still keep to the spirit of the copyright policy (i.e. prevent possible lawsuits). --Akule School's in session. 01:41, 16 October 2007 (BST)

Ah, worth the wait. --Akule School's in session. 00:22, 18 October 2007 (BST)

weren't you actually waiting for Grimch to post something before you responded, but got tired of waiting?--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 00:28, 18 October 2007 (BST)
Yes, they were supposed to go first, yet Grim took waaaayy too long. After three weeks of waiting, I didn't think he would respond anytime soon. --Akule School's in session. 00:12, 19 October 2007 (BST)
I Have Ruled. Conndrakamod TDHPD CFT 01:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Ahh...I like it

It's good all around. What Boxy suggested probably should be thrown in there. The only one really opposing this would be Grim. I think this'll probably pass. --User:Axe27/Sig 04:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Not to but in but I completely agree and believe you to be unbiased in this policy suggestion, Akule. Sockem 04:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. There is a lot of call for a policy like this, so I figured I'd see if I could make one that would be easier to implement and use. --Akule School's in session. 21:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Help me

I don't know you and you don't know me, but your name was first on the arbitration list and i need help. A month ago i made a suggestion called Firearm Flavor Text. It did pretty well, but when the two weeks had gone by, it was gone. I checked peer reviewed, rejected, and undecided, but i couldn't find it. Do you know where it went? --Officer 123satsitx 16:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not Akule, but the best thing you can do when you can't find something that you did is to check your contributions. You can find this link in the upper right hand corner. I went through and looked at your contributions and noticed it had been moved to Peer Review, most notibly here. I hope that helps (cross posting to your talk page)--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 17:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Yup. Anime is correct. It has already been voted on, and it looks like it passed. Congratulations! --Akule School's in session. 19:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


Heres your cookie for being so smart on the policy disscusion about sysops selfbanning, Enjoy!

Cookie.jpg A FREE COOKIE
Blobdude has given Akule a cookie for listening and being so smart!
I'm glad that you appreciated my input. Thanks for the cookie. I will treasure it always. Oh, and sign your posts, please. --Akule School's in session. 01:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I usually sign, forgot 'cause I didn't want your cookie to burn in the oven. --BlobdudeTalk TM MC 05:46, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
No problem. I wasn't trying to be mean or anything by stating that. I just wanted to remind you because I know people prefer others to sign posts. Thanks again for the cookie! --Akule School's in session. 00:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Conndraka's ruling

Yeah, he has ruled upon your case. There's of course this thing that you cannot post on some administrational pages for three months, and I wanted to talk with you about that. If there's something on wich you need immediate assistance feel free to drop me a message on my talk page and I'll be helping you if I'm online, like if somebody tries to speedydelete your stuff. Just don't try to make me post copyrighted stuff for deletion, disserting on dramatic issues on your behalf or something like that, because that will bring drama into this sort of cooperation. I just want to express my solidarity to you, that's all. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 14:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I am with matt on this one... your approach to deletions annoys the hell out of me and in general i agree with the ruling, however it really should have had an opt out for such things as your stuff being put up for deletion! If it happens I will happily vote keep regardless of merit until such time as you are allowed to defend it yourself. Your stance in the Arbies case did you a lot of credit and while i know we will never agree on copyright I do think the whole thing was a sham and am very glad it blew up in their faces! --Honestmistake 17:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

That's vandalism.--Karekmaps?! 04:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Since when? People can vote however the hell they want to vote. Otherwise "because Akule needs to get laid" would be vandlism as well.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 10:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
It's vandalism because it's voting for it simply to screw with A/D, same reason why voting keep on a suggestion for the sake of stopping spam is vandalism. --Karekmaps?! 10:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
It wouldn't be voting keep to screw with A/D, it would be voting keep because he thought it unfair to delete a page when the owner couldn't defend them self on the page due to an A/A ruling -- boxytalk • 10:31 29 November 2007 (BST)
It's no better then putting pages up for speedy deletion because you don't like the author.--Karekmaps?! 11:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
No, it would be voting to avoid unfairly penalizing Akule. If something of his gets put up for deletion and he has no vote I am stating that I would be willing to act as his proxy vote! Call it vandalism if you like but I am more than willing to argue that something should be kept because the creator wants it kept and i think it unfair to deny him his chance to argue for himself! Vandalism would apply only if I was voting merely to be an asshat.--Honestmistake 12:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Not so much of a "proxy" vote, but out of our own free will guys like us would always vote keep on an unfair request such as the one example we're mentioning (someone posting some guy who can't defend himself stuff on A/SD). We're merely making it explicit on this header, because we know that Akule is the one person that could need this kind of help in the not so distant future. Finally, extracted textually from Conndraka's ruling: You might be right, but let somebody else handle it for a while. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 14:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
There's a difference there, I'm talking about Honestmistake's comment that anything involving Akule, regardless of why it is there, will get a keep. Now if something is there simply because the person who added it wanted to exploit Conndrakka's absurd ruling then that's a different story.--Karekmaps?! 21:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I would be voting keep because I feel it would be wrong to delete someones pages/contributions without their being able to comment. Thats a firmly held opinion and thus more than enough to count as a valid vote... just because i have made it clear that i will do this does not make me a troll or a vandal or anything else... It means i am offering support to someone IF they need to call on it! --Honestmistake 21:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks guys. I appreciate it. I don't think that you will have to worry about me putting up any images for deletion for a while, ruling or no. Hagnat did reach out before the arbitration started and proposed an interesting idea on how to work out the copyrighted images for the wiki. I'm going to continue his work with Category:Copyrighted Images and set-up the Copyright Project to work with Boxy's Image Categorization project. I figure that by going through and first giving credit to the author of the images, it would be not only a good first step toward gaining permission to use the images and keeping them in some semblance of order, but a step that wouldn't cause further strife amongst the other wiki users. --Akule School's in session. 19:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
About the giving credit, is there more to it the just filling out Template:Copyright and slapping it on the image? If thats all there is to it then I can crank through a few hundred of these. - Vantar 21:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
That's the start. By filling out Template:Copyright, we are at least citing who owns the images. They will still be used without permission, but at least we would have them cited. I'd like to also add something to the template so we can instruct the owners of the images (should they not want their images used) on how to go about having their images removed. That way they will have the option, rather than harassing Kevan. --Akule School's in session. 19:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad you're exploring more peaceful options, Akule. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 02:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
It's better than nothing. This way, if an artist stumbles across the site, they will be less likely to want to pull the images.

--Akule School's in session. 19:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Image Categories

If you're going to start into them, please put more than one wherever it's appropriate, not just the most obvious one. For example, Image:Weapons.JPG should have Category:Weapons on it also, at least -- boxytalk • 06:35 1 December 2007 (BST)

I'm going to go back and add those. I was first going through the template pages and adding the Category:Template_Images to those images there. Then I was going to choose another image category and go there. --Akule School's in session. 06:38, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Well that just fucks up our ability to go through the uncategoriesed list and find which images need tags. As soon as you put the template category on them, we'll not be able to find them again -- boxytalk • 06:40 1 December 2007 (BST)
Alright. I'll go back and completely finish all of them. --Akule School's in session. 06:41, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
All my templates are be categorized? Damn you, Damn you to heeeeeeeeeeeeeellllll!--Karekmaps?! 07:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Soon to be categorized, even more. (cue evil laughter) --Akule School's in session. 07:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Image Categorisation

I think we're ready to start in on categorising the wiki's images, please read the instructions on that page, and then if there are any further questions, ask on the talk page (or my own page). We've got a big job ahead :) -- boxytalk • 01:23 2 December 2007 (BST)

Sure. I'll start reading and looking over the images. --Akule School's in session. 23:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

ProjDev Junk

I'd like you to participate in this discussion and would request that you try to keep arguing to a minimum.--Karekmaps?! 17:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll look it over. --Akule School's in session. 23:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Xmas Attack

The PKA would like to invite the Cannibal Corps to a very special Silent Night Slaughter. Your attendance would be very honoring. Details are available on the PKA forums.

-Secruss of the CGR

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Man. I should have checked this while I was on holiday. I would have been glad to have participated in that. Let me know the next time you do something like that (like Valentines Day) and I can see what I can do to round up some of the guys. --Akule School's in session. 15:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

The Daily Spotlight

I've added you as a senior corespondent. Think you can come up with some sort of graphical template/interface like you got on Akule News?--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 20:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

You mean the tables or better versions of my title and my "seal"?--Akule School's in session. 15:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
looks good. you should hop on gmail--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 17:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I think a graphic instead of a text title would be better. Probably two spotlights to the right and left of the title, shining onto it. --Akule School's in session. 17:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah, ya beat me to it. Oh well, atleast the better layouteer won, my attempt was too feeble I didn't even save the coding. Oh, Anime, did you get the E-mail from my Kolumbus account? --Normal PhobicC 17:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm a dirty code stealer and tweaker. --Akule School's in session. 17:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
If you're dirty, I'm absolutely filthy. I was doing some twisted hybrid of of user page like mine, but only Spotlight themed. It did not look good... The time of these responses is allmost like a laggy messenger chat.--Normal PhobicC 17:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
We can make some nice graphics for user-pages. I'd just need some time in front of photoshop. As for the press page, I basically took Akule News's code and modified it for how Anime had the news page setup. --Akule School's in session. 17:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I changed the color scheme, close to your specifications. --Akule School's in session. 17:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
*Claps loudly* Hahahahaa heee! Me likey!--Normal PhobicC 17:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Now all I have to do is talk with my "graphics consultant" and see if I can cobble together a graphical title instead of just the text. In the meantime, it will serve. --Akule School's in session. 17:44, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking something like this type of spotlight and positioned similar to this (but on the right and left) or we could try this. --Akule School's in session. 17:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I personally like the first one(Got a soft spot for black and white), but we should let AS have a say. --Normal PhobicC 18:03, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
It fits in with the theme very nicely. --Akule School's in session. 18:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I've changed the title colour to red, if you, AS, don't like it, we can go back to white

Copyright Tax

Discussion on Slashdot. Though you might like it. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 03:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll read it over. --Akule School's in session. 16:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

a question

... for you here --~~~~ [talk] 17:27, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Another question

I was thinking about the wiki's policy proposals, and it's generally easy to forbid things that are clearly bad, and easy to allow things that are clearly good, but it's much harder to make rules for the grey areas in between. Now what I was wondering is how (in your experience) do real world laws deal with grey areas? Do they tend to pick an arbitrary line and say one side of the line is legal and one side is not? Or do they tend to do something else, like for example I've heard "I know it when I see it" when it comes to obscenity? Or maybe there is no consistent pattern at all? I'm not really looking for a 'right' answer, I'm just curious about how people more knowledgeable than me deal with this sort of stuff. --Toejam 15:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Usually what happens is a line is drawn. Everything on one side is legal and everything on the other is illegal. Then lawyers get paid to try and move the line one way or another. Usually various cases develop and other things that crop up might not have been considered during that time, and the line has to be re-drawn. So many factors can appear in various cases that lines are often redrawn all the time. The law is an interesting organic process; a living breathing thing that is subjective on each and every case. I love it. --Akule School's in session. 15:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Cookie.jpg A FREE COOKIE
Toejam has given Akule a cookie for the cheapest legal information ever.

Zerg accusations

I think the gentleman from CDF means by two characters in the same area me rotating my characters which is wrong. I was accused of zerging because I have 5 characters, 1 of which I don't use...evar. So I have 4 which I use. I rotate which ones I use. One day I'll log in as Sonny in Ridleybank and Anthony in Penny Heights. The next day I'll log in as Canderous in Pitneybank and Fidel in Darvall Heights. I can only imagine that the gentleman from CDF took the term "rotate" as me moving my characters into a suburb each day and moving them out...which I don't do. --Sonny Corleone RRF DORIS MSD MOB pr0n 03:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah. For something as big as he has made it on here, I would have expected some sort of tangible proof of zerging, rather than just an argument about how you use multiple characters and that is somehow zerging. He should read the FAQ entry on multiple characters. --Akule School's in session. 16:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Well then the...gentleman from DORIS/DEM/whichever groups his other alts joined should make that clearer on his wiki page. --TerminalFailure 21:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Sysop Promotion

I have put your name up for promotion to sysop if you haven't already seen it. You are doing better than I thought you would. You should head over to accept or deny the promotion.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 21:10, 1 April 2008 (BST)

Oh? I didn't see anything in the news. I guess I'll head over to the promotions page and check it out. --Akule School's in session. 21:17, 1 April 2008 (BST)
Strange as it may seem , I think you'll make a good sysop. Good luck with it!--SeventythreeTalk 16:10, 4 April 2008 (BST)
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I am pleased that the biggest complaint that people have against me is that I am not active enough on the wiki. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 20:12, 6 April 2008 (BST)

Please weigh in on this

The goons harassment of me on the wiki has gone far enough... please weigh in on this... I would greatly appreciate it...

--Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 00:24, 15 April 2008 (BST)

PS: I actually hold ownership those images on the SeaHouse Realty website... Not legally, but being my father's son... for all intensive purposes that makes me an owner... that and I'm part owner *shrugs* --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 05:09, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Are you implying that the content of SeaHouse Realty's website is your property simply because your dad is an employee of that company? Also, could you please elaborate on your stake in the company since you don't appear on their Staff page? Kid sinister 20:35, 16 April 2008 (BST)
If you have permission to use the picture in your image, then you have a far better case. Regardless, I would post it on the A/VB and mention the precedent and the request to have it stop. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 01:29, 22 April 2008 (BST)

Group creation

hi its grahame3 could you create my group page plz and call it the undead 300 plz? --Grahame3 14:22, 8 May 2008 (BST)

Sure. Undead 300. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 23:58, 8 May 2008 (BST)


thanks akule, but my group does not show up in the groups page, am i just being stupid? --Grahame3 00:47, 9 May 2008 (BST)

Oh, it just needs a category tag. I'll put it in. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 04:01, 10 May 2008 (BST)

thanks again akule, i think i got the hang of it, however one more question, cnt seem to get picture on my group box, i know you need to put the code or something in but im a bit stuck, oh nice profile by the way! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grahame3 (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.

Oh, that's pretty easy. Let me see if you have uploaded it. If you have, I can put it in. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 22:06, 13 May 2008 (BST)

would i be able to send you the image by email then could you put it in for me please, everytime i put the image name in the group box it just comes up with the image name but no pic--Grahame3 01:44, 14 May 2008 (BST)

no hang on, i think im getting it, however i got rid of the white space around the picture but now wen i re edited it into the group box, the image doesnt show anymore, just as red writing( the file name)--Grahame3 01:53, 14 May 2008 (BST)

You uploaded it, but when you linked you linked to a wiki page that had the same name as your image name. You have to type image:(imagename) in the brackets [[]] in order for it to show up. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 01:55, 14 May 2008 (BST)
Like this :Image:Oxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo.jpg, but without the first colon. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 01:56, 14 May 2008 (BST)

bloody fantastic!! thanks alot!! should i just copy the group box to put it on my group page aswell?--Grahame3 02:03, 14 May 2008 (BST)

Exactly. Then you can develop the rest of the page to have group goals and such. Just remember to keep it after the group box. It's been formatted to know to keep the group box to the side and doesn't have to be moved in order to have text on the left. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 02:06, 14 May 2008 (BST)

My user page

Akule, I put something up on my user page - is this a good way of putting them on notice? Thanks in advance --Tselita 14:33, 27 May 2008 (BST)

Looks pretty good. You've let them know that you aren't going to take anymore crap and are just deleting their comments like you are allowed to do on your talk page. If they continue, you can use that precedent that I showed you to take them to vandal banning. Just don't take any bait they offer and you should be fine. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 21:28, 27 May 2008 (BST)
Cute, but useless, there's plenty of precedence that says not wanting to hear from people is means to assume any comments they make are bad faith. Quite a bit of it thanks to Finis.--Karekmaps?! 06:53, 28 May 2008 (BST)
Realistically, since she asked you and others to not post on her page, the question becomes do you really have to speak with her in an unofficial manner? If the answer is no, and yet those persist, wouldn't that considered harassment, and thus bad faith? --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 21:03, 28 May 2008 (BST)
No, not heeding her desire to ignore me isn't bad faith, harassment would be if I were purposely trying to piss her off, and even then we don't have anti-harassment policies, it's to the point where the harassment starts to involve bad faith actions that Vandal Banning can step in, until that point it's just attempting to use Administration pages to back up your side in a dispute.--Karekmaps?! 22:33, 28 May 2008 (BST)
The precedent I am citing is here. Specifically:
Jedaz said:
Harassment of this kind *is* covered by M/VB because it *is* a bad faith edit like you said, and as we all should know bad faith edits (equals) vandalism because of this policy. Common, you know that harassment is vandalism because you haven't been able to come back with any reasoning on why it's not covered by M/VB.
If someone asks another user to stop posting on their page, and that user continues to do so and continues to belittle them, then how could that be considered a good faith action? --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 22:47, 28 May 2008 (BST)
Not the same thing, that's what I mentioned where it starts to cross the line into actual bad faith, the whole Faerie Queen drama was very close to that. If she were to bring a case against me for commenting on her page it would be closer to this and this than the Faerie Queen cases. You have a few problems here that differentiate; 1) You have to prove I'm doing it to harass here and she's not just taking it as such because she dislikes me. 2) you have to prove that harassment is done in bad faith, if I'm trying to make a point about something it's not harassment even if it seems harassing, being unpleasent isn't vandalism. 3) Saying you want something to be bad faith does not, in fact, make it bad faith, it just makes it an inadvisable action that will probably lead to a fit from that user, not my fault if that user can't behave like an adult in an adult environment, it's also not my fault that that user doesn't have the common sense or emotional/mental fortitude to simply remove the comment from the user they don't like instead of causing a row over it.
If you can show that she's not throwing a fit through the whole thing and that my intent is to drive her up the wall then you have a harassment case, to prove my intent is to harass you need a bad faith basis, something like what was done in the Faerie Queen case where the user followed Matthew around purposely imitating him and generally causing problems, the intent was bad faith and borderline impersonation, it was personal satire taken to an extreme that started to cross the line into bad faith when that warning was given. --Karekmaps?! 02:35, 29 May 2008 (BST)
To make the point simpler This where she removes my comments replacing them with insults and not removing the replies, makes a harassment case from her all but impossible and actually is grounds for an extremely feasible impersonation case if I wanted to bring one up against her, because she's attributing commentary to me that didn't come from me by removing my context. That's harassment.--Karekmaps?! 03:12, 29 May 2008 (BST)
I've seen some of that. I didn't say that she should replace your text, but rather to just delete any posts from you if she didn't want you on her page anymore. It's really becoming a case for A/A at this point. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 21:05, 29 May 2008 (BST)


Sorry that was a question for Kevan, he then immediately updated the login page and i deleted again. Sorry for the confusion. Me and my silly indenting. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 23:21, 28 May 2008 (BST)

I figured, but just in case I left that comment. :D --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 23:22, 28 May 2008 (BST)

The Truth

I invite you to learn the Truth. The Truth continues daily. TerraI know the truth. 23:54, 3 June 2008 (BST)

I'll have to listen to it when I get back to a computer with speakers. :D --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 23:56, 3 June 2008 (BST)
I want to know there is corn in my poop when I havent had corn in days.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 00:01, 4 June 2008 (BST)
I apologize for posting at the top of your page, I will keep this in mind next time I need to speak with you. Anime the reason corn is in your poop is because you have not properly denied access to foreign objects in your anus. Next time you see an ear of corn coming at you, you should promptly put your pants back on.TerraI know the truth. 00:05, 4 June 2008 (BST)
It's no problem. I should put something at the top stating how I prefer posts to be laid out. :D --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 00:15, 4 June 2008 (BST)

Response to your Subpoena

First, in response to your subpoena I am informing you that I did in fact leave Urban Dead for reasons having nothing to do with the war and for the following reasons:

1.) I got sick of the stupid drama, bullshit, and penis replacement that is the norm in Urban Dead by my experience. I've seen less dick-waving in High School locker rooms than on here and I didn't like it with people who at least would say it to someone's face and in person.

2.) The blatant hypocrisy on the part of MANY individuals in this game would make George Bush blush. I have no desire to associate with such individuals in any fashion. The base betrayal by individuals that were felt to be loyal persons, specifically the case of User:Max890 betraying and leaving the Imperium was a nail in the coffin for me.

3.) This game has been a source of stress in my life and I don't have any desire to add to said stress with the other stresses of preparing for the GREs, looking for work, and getting ready to move to a different city full-time and be living on my own shortly. Compared to dealing with the whining of a pathetic honorless troll like Sonny Corleone said concerns greatly outweigh the desire to remain. I don't play a free game to put up with that kind of shit, I was more looking for something fun but I guess that's hard to find in Urban Dead.

4.) My leaving had nothing to do with the Invasion of Gibsonton and before the announcement went out I was already getting somewhat bored with UD as is. I decided to remain until the end as I refuse to back down in the face of a loud-mouthed thug like Sonny. Furthermore, I left of my own volition for the aforementioned reasons and was NOT asked to quit by the Imperium as Sonny demanded.

Second, that is the only testimony I wish to give in the arbitration case. I have no desire to be dragged back into this fever swamp for any reason especially considering how easy it is for Sonny and his pets to lie through their teeth and for it to be taken at face value.

Third, as a final statement on the matter, I find that so many people have no problem with acting in such a reprehensible fashion shows the true content of their character and that so many people have no problem with acting in such a fashion shows how truly vile so many people involved in this game are. The anonymity of the Internet gives people the freedom to act as they please online, I feel that said anonymity is the strongest argument in favor of acting in an aboveboard, honorable, and decent manner as the only person who genuinely knows the actions of yourself are you, and if someone can live with being a dick for no better reason than they can to someone they will never meet it truly shows what a sad, pathetic, honorless sack of shit they truly are. That so many people openly and willingly engage in such actions and there is no effort by the Urban Dead community to redress this rot shows that not only are the perpetrators truly vile people but that those who refuse to step in and act are just as bad. As Dante once said, "There is a special place in Hell for those who remain neutral in times of great moral crisis." While I do not believe in Hell, I can say with certainty many users involved in Urban Dead will be getting a nice trip after they shuffle off the mortal coil to that lovely part of Helheim where they will be nothing more than ragged ghosts living in a frozen wasteland of darkness, misery, and suffering to be gnawed upon by Niddhog for all time. There are those few who are in fact decent, honest, upright people but they are grains of rice weighed against a ton of steel considering how many of the more reprehensible breed prowl this place.

May those of you who act in such a fashion fear the day you go to meet your Maker, for I do not forsee for many of you a good end. As for me, at least my heart is clear and my honor satisfied.--Garviel LokenMaltesecross2.jpgNo Pity! No Remorse! No Fear! Talk23:08, 8 June 2008 (BST)

Thanks for letting me know. I don't have any idea of what was going on with the Imperium, so to get a little bit more information about the whole thing does help me out. Mainly, I'd like to have the whole record be straight and have an accurate description of the battle. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 23:12, 8 June 2008 (BST)

RE: Arby's

No questions for the Philosophe Knights? Aww...And we had all these Bootiful Links and this great, big, juicy compilation of things designed to blow Kikashie's opening statement so far out of the water it would sink Kikashie's boat. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 01:22, 19 June 2008 (BST)

I just got to a point where I had read so much testimony and evidence that put my decision in the favor of the PKers, that I didn't see how it would end up being otherwise. Please feel free to post them under the discussion section though. Extra evidence is always useful. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 01:27, 19 June 2008 (BST)
Oh, if it becomes necessary, I'm sure we will. Basically, it would have just put Kikashie's foot in his mouth concerning the DA achieving it's objectives, but otherwise, I don't think we'll have the time to spare, with all of our good works, and whatnot. I'm sure you know how it is. Praise Knowledge. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 01:54, 19 June 2008 (BST)

A Template in the Hand is Worth Two in the Bush

Kool.jpg Play on Names
This user received a template with his likeness. Get it?
A Kool Aid.
Because you help people.
Aid them. A-Kule Aid!
Look, I wasn't going to put a picture of a hawaiian fish in a template, okay?
It doesn't even make sense as a 'play on names' then.

As you well know, I'm making a ton of play on name templates. My boss doesn't keep me busy enough, apparently. Enjoy! --Tselita 22:21, 25 June 2008 (BST)

I'll admit, I was expecting the fish. It's also native american, but that fish is everywhere. I like this version. :D --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 00:09, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Please go to and vote Keep so that the Grimch doesn't try to delete the template I made for you (and others). Thank you. --Tselita 13:16, 27 June 2008 (BST)

Hidden Tower

Sorry to correct you but Cyberbob was Hubrid Nox. I forgot to add him I guess a long time ago. He used to go by that name here on the wiki for a while. That and "a bothan spy"...but that's totally different. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 00:48, 11 July 2008 (BST)

Ah, my mistake. I have corrected the entry. Anyone else you want to add? --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 00:59, 11 July 2008 (BST)
Nope. It's pretty much a dead group now since Matthew is gone. Time to create a new wiki group to troll. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 01:06, 11 July 2008 (BST)


Regarding your vote on several user redirect pages i have separated the case into individual cases, if you feel so inclined please recast your vote on each page relevant to how you feel about that particular redirect being kept on the wiki. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.--xoxo 07:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

That's fine with me. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 23:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:Template help

im trying to make it about the size of a reguler template, why--Forensic hoffman 22:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I've made a lot of them before, so I can help, if you like. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 22:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
wow, thanks btw how do you know about me?--Forensic hoffman 22:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I saw it in the recent changes off to the left of the screen. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 22:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Hero template.jpg Hero
This user is considered a hero.

That work? Just make sure that you look at the template in the edit window, so you can see how it is put together. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 22:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I Love You

Will you have my babies? And then abort them. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 02:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

We can now! Then put fire them at people with some sort of catapult, or fetapult, as it were. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 02:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
k --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 02:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I just figured you'd like to meet Blackboard, since he just blew up on the deletions page. ;) --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 02:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey! What happened to the classic of spreading them on crackers, and enjoying them with some good sharp cheese? Come on dude... Cannibal Corps!--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 02:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I didn't say what the people who we shot at did with them. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 02:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


Wai do you cum back only wen AS is in truble? :( --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 04:13, 17 June 2009 (BST)

I have him on retainer--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 06:07, 17 June 2009 (BST)
I was summoned for hunting down a zerger, and eventually that meant I would look at the wiki. So, how have you been? :D --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 00:24, 18 June 2009 (BST)
Tired and bored. On the positive note, I'm in the slow process of writing up a massive overhaul of the wiki's systems.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 02:33, 19 June 2009 (BST)

The Thing About Reevaluation

Is that we all already know what the views on the sysops are, all they do is allow for crats to have a reason to deny certain sysops the position for petty reasons. That being said the occasional cleaning of the house isn't a bad thing but when you have stuff like the open discussion vote that is so drastically different from the reality of the user's opinion as little as a month or two later then you've got your real issue with bringing the repromotion thing up at all. Basically these are things that should come after some real, qualitative, hard discussion on the parts of users in a neutral position to make that decision, sort of an arb com on sysops except there's no one in a chain that would be able to do that right now without being kevan, it's all to interconnected. 'Crats are basically sysops in control of promotions but they're far from neutral and have long had a tendency to behave in an agenda driven manner, sysops tend to have their own personal disputes with each other for personal or not so personal reasons almost always arising from opposing rulings, and the general users is far from discriminatory enough to have the required level of quality on the issue. If you really want to do it like that you'll probably want to set up a group of users specifically to that purpose, throw in ban review as one of their privs and just develop a whole chain, possibly make it so they have the final say on requests for starting a sysop reevaluation, a ban evaluation, and an arbitration ruling evaluation but have not power to start these, just basically the ability to say "Yeah, looks like there's enough reason to reopen this to discussion". --Karekmaps?! 01:19, 30 July 2009 (BST)

That's an interesting idea. Honestly, I wouldn't mind setting something like that up. We should set up an open discussion about the idea and see what people think of it. As for the reason for creating the re-evaluations, I noticed that it seems like it is something that the community wanted (and had wanted in the past, just not in the form of my previous policy). Oh, and it's not a vote. I set it up like the promotions bid where the community gets a chance to say something. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 19:45, 31 July 2009 (BST)
That's kinda the problem, the promotions system as of current is a vote unless you have someone that knows what is meant by that in the position, that's why Boxy basically had the position for life as 'crat. The current promotions system really isn't good for discovery of consensus, it tends to either being treated like a vote and the 'crats promoting based on that or like a personal battle ground and the 'crats deciding by personal opinion before the community weighs in, there's rarely any real discussion on a non-personal level. --Karekmaps?! 23:13, 31 July 2009 (BST)
You obviously don't know Link is all I'm going to say. Cyberbob  Talk  03:54, 1 August 2009 (BST)
I know link very well. --Karekmaps?! 04:24, 1 August 2009 (BST)
Please explain how you got the impression that he does anything other than what the promotions system was intended to be. It seems to me that you're setting up something of a catch-22; if a crat promotes someone and they just happen to have a majority of vouches it's OMG VOTING, if they do the same when they don't have a majority it's OMG PERSONAL OPINION NO TAKING ANYTHING ELSE INTO ACCOUNT. Cyberbob  Talk  04:30, 1 August 2009 (BST)
The thing you're missing here is that it's irrelevant so much as the proposed system is completely dependent on the good will of a basically randomly elected person to allow for real discussion on the validity of a reassessment and then it's only tied to promotions. There have been incidents of it in the past but even that isn't that relevant beyond that it's setting up a system that would both tempt and encourage misuse regardless of the character of the 'crat that is given that opportunity. I'm looking at a more full and real solution, one that allows uninvolved assessment of admin actions in a committee like structure so as to make it possible to have a true and universal wiki process review system. --Karekmaps?! 05:24, 1 August 2009 (BST)
Good luck but you're literally never going to make it work. Not because you're dumb or anything but it just won't happen due to physical impossibility. Cyberbob  Talk  05:30, 1 August 2009 (BST)
Well, that's the funny thing, the issue isn't getting it done so much as getting past the assumption that it can't be done. It's actually really simple once that is done and that's always been the major issue on this wiki. --Karekmaps?! 05:37, 1 August 2009 (BST)
I'm not making any assumptions. Cyberbob  Talk  05:49, 1 August 2009 (BST)
I'm up for setting up the discussion and seeing where it leads. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 21:44, 3 August 2009 (BST)

What users would you even suggest for something like this karek? I mean you say it's not the sysops and the vast majority of regular users who hang around and actually know whats going on are seen by the sysops as biased and establishment hating etc. I challenge you to come up with 3 potential users you think could actually fill this sort of position. --xoxo 01:36, 1 August 2009 (BST)

You, me, and Iscariot. :P --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 04:07, 1 August 2009 (BST)
You're posting on the page of at least one of them. --Karekmaps?! 04:24, 1 August 2009 (BST)
Which means me and jed aren't them. :(((-- High Overlord and Lead Conspirator of the Administrative Rebellion. Want help? 05:28, 1 August 2009 (BST)
This sounds like something that Matthew Fahrenheit was born to do.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 10:54, 1 August 2009 (BST)
No it doesn't. The only thing Matthew Fahrenheit was born to do was to whinge and whine and cry demagogue while doing the exact same thing himself. Hey, you should make him one of your "close personal friends"! Cyberbob  Talk  12:42, 1 August 2009 (BST)

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Thanks!! <3 :D CROTCH GRABBING WILL PREVAIL! - Love from Swing XOXOXTalk 10:09, 11 August 2009 (BST)

My deletion request..

...was already there. O.o--Orange Talk 00:47, 18 August 2009 (BST)

Whoops. I apparently messaged the wrong person. Sorry about that. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 00:46, 19 August 2009 (BST)


They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Thank you for letting me know what the story was: this game has so many folks doing so many weird things. Actually the case in question led to me removing my Alt from the RHVP because of conflicts with DA's policy that I had been unaware of, so Mr Darkgrave is no longer my concern-although he is ruining the reputation of a good bunch of guys by not correcting his act and resolving the matter. He did say he would immediately stop zerging. Based on your info, it is hard to believe he will change his tune, but I would like to hope he would consider the group. In any case, it was very good of you to give me the heads up. Let me know if you need any info--Belisarius17 03:31, 24 June 2010 (BST)