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this user thinks that amazing is an all right guy and definitely shouldnt be banned from the wiki he also likes amazings page. This user sometimes randomly referrs to himself in the third person Blazefire 07:53, 30 May 2006 (BST)

Now I'm scared! :O -- Amazing 18:31, 30 May 2006 (BST)
Question. Why? i just felt the need to talk to you cause i keep seeing all these people saying what a jerk you are when most of them are noobs anyway.
Noob.gif STFU N00B
This user recognizes the difference between a Newbie and a Noob.
I've been conditioned to hear only insults and profanity. Positive behavior frightens me so!! heh. -- Amazing 23:11, 31 May 2006 (BST)
Prepare to be suprised then. I misjudged your intentions with the transclusion incident, and I am guilty of assuming bad faith by default. Amazing, I apologise. –Xoid STFU! 02:38, 1 June 2006 (BST)
... That's it, I'm hiding in the closet manly space shuttle until this all blows over. O_O heh. Thanks. -- Amazing 02:45, 1 June 2006 (BST)
LMFAO. So, are you planning on coming out of the closet any time soon? (Poor choice of words, mate.) –Xoid STFU! 02:47, 1 June 2006 (BST)
Why, I have no idea what you mean. ;) -- Amazing 02:50, 1 June 2006 (BST)
Hey he did cross it out. He actually said "manly space shuttle" although he did set himself up for that one Blazefire 07:40, 1 June 2006 (BST)


I'm done, I hope you aren't too disappointed.--Vista 20:15, 29 May 2006 (BST)


I believe you started McZeds, and its first location was in Darvall Heights? If this is true, would you be interested in writing a paragraph about McZeds for the Darvall Heights page? --Bob Hammero TW!U! 04:48, 29 May 2006 (BST)


This probation period has given me a good chance to think. I'd like it if you and I could agree to maintain some civility from here on out when we run into each other on the wiki. Basically, I'm tired of all the dramatic crap, and I'd be happy if we could agree to draw a line between in-game fighting and wiki arguments. I'm not asking for a cease-fire or anything like that, because I'm quite happy with how ASS is doing; just an agreement to try not to trample each others sandcastles in the future on the wiki (something that we're both guilty of doing in the past). If we can agree to disagree without it breaking out in petty fighting, I think everyone will be happier. Thanks. --Bob Hammero TW!U! 02:07, 26 May 2006 (BST)

Sounds good. Can we agree to cease all textual viciousness on the Wiki? Really the only thing that toast my buns at the moment is the "Jim X found Bob314 hiding in a bathroom stall and sodomized him with a shotgun." type of thing. It's not necissary. So far I think the folks on my side of it have been relatively good about this. -- Amazing 02:10, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Yeah, you guys have been fine lately (no more vandalism from certain people and all that crap). Actually, I don't think anyone on our side would really care if you posted kill reports as we do, if you wanted to. That said, I'll try to keep it within reasonable bounds (although I obviously can't control what the other members of ASS do), although you should keep in mind that part of our image is to be deliberately exaggerated, so in-game events reported on the wiki will usually have an edge to them (we are a PKer group after all). That said, I'm as tired of personal attacks as anyone is (hence my making the NoMoreDrama template), so I'll try to keep my reports more along the lines of "Jim X blew Bob314 onto a new plane of existence" than "Jim X found Bob314 hiding in a bathroom stall and sodomized him with a shotgun." --Bob Hammero TW!U! 02:20, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Better than I expected, at least. Sounds like a reasonable agreement. There are no misbegotten ideas of a ceasefire on this end, but it'd be nice to get back to playing the game instead of engaging in a war of words. We're going to be creating a new wiki-based method to deal with you guys (all PKers/Enemies related to the CDF) but we'll keep it reasonable. Just a heads-up, and if you have any problems with it when we enact it, feel free to just let me know and we'll discuss it. Should be effective without being inflammatory. -- Amazing 02:25, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Sounds fine; I don't anticipate any problems at all. I'll be glad to spend more time gunning you down than beating my head against the keyboard in frustration. ;-) --Bob Hammero TW!U! 02:31, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Yeah, for gunnings we have our OMG SOOPER SEKRIT revive team. For Wiki drama... well, there's no team for that. Yet, at least. -- Amazing 02:38, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Yuo revive! NOES! WE HAEV LOST!!1 Maybe if there was some sort of gladiator page where wiki drama people all just beat the crap out of each other so that when they got to another page, they were tired of fighting. Hmm.... --Bob Hammero TW!U! 02:42, 26 May 2006 (BST)
You've found your true calling! But yeah, the point about revives was just a sort of "Wow. You killed me. Uh.. Okay I'm back." comment. Heh heh. ;) -- Amazing 02:48, 26 May 2006 (BST)

A Small Question

Now I'm a very civil person. Civil in the manner that I don't really take sides or rush to an opinion. I leave that up to people more qualified than I am and trust their judgement. It's only every once and a while I feel it necessary to take things into my own hands. But enough about me.

Why do you have a beard like that?

That question has been bugging me for quite some time now. I've seen a lot of "I LOVE/HATE AMAZING" templates and each sighting of your face (and your beard) has gradually piqued my interest. I hope I'm not offending you by this question, I just don't understand why. --Lesser Mook 03:26, 27 April 2006 (BST)

Zuh? -- Amazing 02:42, 2 May 2006 (BST)
Sorry, I'm long winded. Why the beard? --Lesser Mook 21:01, 4 May 2006 (BST)
Why not the beard? Beats shaving. -- Amazing 05:23, 7 May 2006 (BST)
I have a question. Whenever my roomate goes without shaving for a few days, he says it gets itchy. He's thinking about letting it grow out, but doesn't want to deal with that. Do you get that problem, or does it stop when it gorws out more? --SirensT RR 12:50, 7 May 2006 (BST)
Never been a problem for me. I'm not sure but I assume it'd be better grown out. -- Amazing 00:23, 8 May 2006 (BST)


I saw where Karsbad and Jorm were trying to disuade Oddstarter from giving you Mod powers. Now I dont know you that well personally but you got my vote of confidence if they claim you are behaiving badly. I looked through your contributions and I dont see any legitimate issues. Conndraka 06:20, 7 April 2006 (BST)

Thank you very much. I look forward to not letting you - or any other wiki user - down. :) -- Amazing Mod SGP UDPD McZed's™ 06:21, 7 April 2006 (BST)
Furthermore...To quote a personal hero of mine. Don't let the bastards get you down. I've noticed that many of the Drama Queens that throw around accusations and disparaging remarks tend to be less than mature, Zed-a-philes. Three points though. 1. Dont give the dimwits any more ammunition than they need. Despite any evedence to the contrary, many people on this Wiki (and many more on the "boards") are going to come to their own conclusions and WILL NOT be convinced otherwise. The fact they go out of their way to make fools of themselves should not give you license to do the same. 2. There are some folks that are Zed-Centric that opinions matter... (Mia being one of them) listen to those folks. 3. My Sensei taught me the following- If someone speaks ill of you it is either true or it is false. If it is true there is no deabting the issue and you only prove yourself a fool for arguing it. If it is false, the light of day will one day shine upon the statement and prove it to be from a liar or a fool making your point for you. He taught a lot of patience building excercises too... that worked :-0 Conndraka 17:14, 8 April 2006 (BST)

O_O Wow. Um, congrats, I guess. Even if it is temporary (or did I missread something?). Here's hoping that you do a good job. *toasts* --Mia Kristos 06:47, 7 April 2006 (BST)

So much for that. --Mia Kristos 03:05, 8 April 2006 (BST)


Yeah, new fan of yours, been watching you on Urban my name's not SixTimesNine, I refuse to give those Gankbus idiots another target to try and defile. =P But I definitely support you in Wiki and UD, and I thought your suggestions were well thought-out and stuff, so whoever says you talk like you're always right, but are full of hot air, well they're full of shit. Because you talk like you're right, but you know what you're talking about, so it's all cool with me! -- Sixtimesnine 18:56, 12 April 2006 (BST)

Oh snap! :O -- Amazing 19:03, 12 April 2006 (BST)
Oh snap? Oh snap what? *is confused* Heh. Silly Gankbus. I have a feeling that even if you would sink so low as to try and target them, your efforts wouldn't result in such petty efforts like mine....*shrugs* -- Sixtimesnine 19:05, 12 April 2006 (BST)
Yeah, I try to keep within the general confines of the UD Wiki rules. That is to say, all edits I HAVE made to their page in the past were in accordance with an Arbitration ruling against them. (proven in the fact their their vandal report cries went unanswered) But yeah, I'm sure you'll get reported - as far as I'm concerned, they're vandals (editing pictures of cats onto my group page, editing my posts to change what I've said, etc.) so they're on their own as per their own vandalism problems in my estimation. I would be lying if I said it wasn't rewarding to see them get a little bit of their own medicine. -- Amazing 19:09, 12 April 2006 (BST)
Probably will. I'm learning Wiki this way, and frankly after deleting their page, all I've done is state that their mistakenly turning me into you. *shrugs* But yes, it probably would be rewarding after all the harrassment I've seen you go through. -- Sixtimesnine 19:11, 12 April 2006 (BST)

:Now SixTimesNine, wiki-blanking is a vandal action, and is not considered kosher. Furthermore, while I know that "your hero" Amazing doesn't like to use the preview button, that doesn't mean that you should start picking up his bad/ideosyncratic wiki-editing habits. --Karlsbad 22:15, 12 April 2006 (BST)


If Bob stops reverting your edits, will you retract the vandalism charge, and at least attempt to work with him to find more NPoV wording? -Wyn (talk!) 09:22, 3 May 2006 (BST)

I don't know if vandalism should be allowed to slide in cases where I truthfully believe it will simply happen again, but will then only recieve a 'first' warning. Is there a specific reason you are asking for this? -- Amazing 09:27, 3 May 2006 (BST)
Not really, just an effort to play peacekeeper. I made the same request, essentially, of you both. I'm quite pissed about the whole matter and I just want it to end. -Wyn (talk!) 09:28, 3 May 2006 (BST)


I will use this space to message you from now on, if you don't mind this. --hagnat mod 03:38, 10 May 2006 (BST)

You see, there are times where rules should be bent and some mistakes just let go without punishment. You see that in Real Life, when the police let people just walk away when they should have been punished for whatever little offenses they did. My half warnings are nothing but I am not warning you now, but I am keeping an eye on you. kind of message. It makes it easier to deal with people, since most people don't like to be warned or punished for small things and it just tends to cause even more harm. --hagnat mod 03:38, 10 May 2006 (BST)

Good to know that if you warn me, I can do the same thing moments later and you'll let me slide. Er… well, I guess I couldn't, just people who don't like me. -- Amazing 03:56, 10 May 2006 (BST)
It was only *ONE* edit, and it wasn't all that bad. Has Scinfaxi messaged you since that? I don't think so, and I think he will not do it in the near future. If I had given him a full warning, he would be really pissed, and probably would have vandalized again. --hagnat mod 19:04, 10 May 2006 (BST)
You did understand the nature of his edit, right? Yes, it was that bad. It was equivilant to saying what he's said before but adding "not!" to the end. -- Amazing 06:12, 11 May 2006 (BST)
Yes, I did understand. But reading through all his messages to you, and all YOUR messages to you, I think that what was said were really small things, and that he should have comitted worse actions to deserve a full warning. --hagnat mod 02:51, 12 May 2006 (BST)

Leaving Scinfaxi, Rasher and Co. aside, let us talk about you.

Somewhere in the past I tried to put some sense in your head, trying to find a way to end all this when it was barely beginning. You didn't listen to me, and things grew to become this great mess that we have today. Now, I hope you listen to and think about what I have to say to you.

I think most ot the problems associated with you are caused by your behaviour in this wiki, and how you react to other people comments/edits. Yes, there are people here that use your picture for target practice, but most of us here are only trying to have our fun, and trying to make other people gameplay fun too. Sometimes one can do something that others might not like, but do it out of ignorance. It is misunderstandings and, sometimes, misinterprations of other actions.

I could create an Amazing picture dressed as a pirate, and post it in that funny discussion you had with grim in the Scinfaxi ban page. I would think that would be hilarious, grim would probably find it amuzing too, and my hopes by uploading this picture would have that you would have found it hilarious too and have a great laugh about it. But, would that be your interpretation to this joke ? Probably not, since you seem to not like grim posting "your" picture in a dress in that same discussion.

Another problem of yours that most of us complain here is that you are always MrRight. If you do something, YOU are right, all others are wrong. This kind of behaviour no one likes, and people will just antagonize with you as you fail do admit that you might have been wrong here and there.

The third great problem of yours is how your reat to people you think are trying to harass you. You always seems to try to drag these people to the moderators in hope THEY find a way to solve your problems. And you say that you are going to do that to people! I once read this great comic where one fool is poiting a gun to the main character and bragging how he will shoot the main guy. The main guy just kicks the fool in the face, pick the gun and say "This is gun. Its meant to ne used, not to be pointed around" and then shooted the bastard. This applies here. No one likes to receive threats that its going to be punished if they do something they did in the past. Either punish or fuck off! Talk politely to people like they were your friends who made a mistake. Explain what they did wrong, and explain how it should have been done. POLITELY. Do not threaten to report people, do not go around calling people trolls or griefers. No one likes that. Now, if they repeat their actions or reply to you in an unpolite way, then you are free to report them, but not free to be unpolite to them too.

So, finding fun where fun is supposed to be, admitting that you can do wrong sometimes, and being polite to others, even those you find are trying to grief you. If you could just change these three behaviours, I think that most of the problems associated with you could be over. --hagnat mod 02:51, 12 May 2006 (BST)

I hope neither of you mind my editing of this section, I don't think I changed the meaning in any way, but the plethora of spelling and grammatical mistakes were beginning to really bug me. –Xoid STFU! 03:13, 12 May 2006 (BST)

I HAM REPORDING U 4 VANDILISM!!!!!!!!!!1222311elephant - Or perhaps not. :) -- Amazing 03:18, 12 May 2006 (BST)
ZOMG!!1!1 HOW DARE YE ? THIS BE MY WAY DA TYPE!! I AM FILLING A REPORT ON YE! --hagnat mod 03:29, 12 May 2006 (BST) thx for the grammar corrections, I still lack grammar skillz
About your lacking of grammar skillz; it's understandable Hagnat, your user page says that you are Brazilian. (So I'm assuming that English is not your native language.) English is the odd language out when it comes down to sentence structure, how words and idioms are dealt with, etc. To top it all off, it's probably the least static language currently in use. So people who are not born in a predominantly English speaking country have a really hard time of picking it up. That being said, at least you try. So many darn punk teenagers people don't even care about correct spelling, or grammar for that matter. –Xoid STFU! 03:45, 12 May 2006 (BST)
Lord knows most Americans don't speak English very good... Er... -- Amazing 03:57, 12 May 2006 (BST)

I see you were online today, having a snack on me, outside Crossman Grove PD. Sorry i couldnt stay much longer, i had to go inside and finish some good meals on Thanatos expense. But i have to agree with you, that building is somehow empty now. Time for us to start clearing the surrounding buildings. Want to join in ? --hagnat mod 01:54, 22 May 2006 (BST)

Weird, i remember having taken four or five bites on you before i ran out of AP two days ago, and then when i logged back you were dead inside the building. Anyway, if you look at the Crossman Grove Police Dept page you will see that we already had taken control of the place in the past (no survivors inside it for two days). Yesterday, when i went inside, there were nearly 50 harmans inside it. So this makes the building half full. And with only 25 zombies trying to get inside, i think any mob of harmans can easily defend the place. --hagnat mod 02:19, 22 May 2006 (BST)

Pop Quiz

Since I'm bored, and you're one of the more colourful characters of this wiki, I'd thought I'd ask you about a few things.

  1. About your pic, the one's that have been deleted, etc. What was all the fuss about? Admittedly, it was low resolution, but you simply looked like a bearded guy in a suit. If they wanted a picture to proove you dress badly, they could've at least put some effort into it.
  2. I'm curious about your MMORPG. Two things in particular, what stage of development is it in, and what is it written in?
  3. Have you ever thought about turning Amazing into a dedicated zombie?

Xoid STFU! 12:48, 11 May 2006 (BST)

No prob.
  1. Problem is that these folks (not him specifically, those he is associated with) put forward their plan to collect images of me from the web in order to ridicule me. They were told not to do this, of course, and that upload was the beginning (I assume) of a violation of that. Plus, the image uploaded was from a (small) role on a TV show, so those aren't even my clothes. The "LOOK HOW HE DRESSES! HAHA OMG LAMER!!" commentary that was sure to follow would then prod me into mentioning this, and the flame war just goes further and further. "That show? Wow that's gay, you're gay!" and all that.
  2. It's in open Alpha (very early Alpha) and is written in PHP. It currently has a ton of skills, some neat items, a large map, and some monsters and all that. PvP seems to be the main focus of players at the moment - but when it gets to Beta, there should be a lot more to do.
  3. Nope. I do use him to kill enemies when he's dead, though. He's been killed and dumped a couple times, only to break back in and rip the PKer to shreds. :) -- Amazing 19:07, 11 May 2006 (BST)

Re: Re-moddification

I'd love to. I'd really love to. Alas, Kevan has revoked my ability to perform that act. I am no longer a bureaucrat. -- Odd Starter talkModW! 12:25, 9 April 2006 (BST)

Mutually Assued Satisfaction

Amazing-Hatahz: Let's talk about how I can get you to stop bothering me, and how you can stop seeing my replies to what you say when you're bothering me.

This space is for folks to post their "Demands" as per how I can get them to leave me alone in-game or on this wiki. (or beyond)

Don't be shy, speak up below! (Please make a new headline for yourself.)


Look Amazing, I know this goes against my warning, but I just wanted to say I'm sorry. I'm sorry it got thrown around that I was accussing you of inappropriate behavior with underaged CDF members. I'm sorry I've followed you in-game, killing CDFers to the point where they cannot function as a group. I'm sorry about pointing out you're fat and look like a detective from Nash Bridges. Please... FORGIVE ME! Scinfaxi 20:15, 9 May 2006 (BST)

Jorge Bermudez

you can leave the wiki, then we will stop hating.--Bermudez 03:35, 12 April 2006 (BST)

Did you even read the 'rules' of this section? Thanks for proving you're completely unreasonable and stupid. At least I can check you off my list of folks I might be wrong about. Next? -- Amazing 03:40, 12 April 2006 (BST)


Nothing you need to do for me, Amazing. In my opinion, everyone's been on your back way too much over what should have been a very minor issue. All the newbies have jumped on the bandwagon, trying to curry favour with Grim, Zaruthustra etc. --Cyberbob240 03:45, 12 April 2006 (BST)

Appreciated. Yeah, I don't claim I'm blameless. Nobody IS perfect, but anything I've actually DONE like anything minor from 2005 or something, doesn't warrent such ongoing harassment and blind-eye treatment. I guess most of my problem arises from my need to answer the defamation, insult, or general instigation of others. When I reply, BOY HOWDY do I reply. In my own opinion. But yeah, thanks man. -- Amazing 03:52, 12 April 2006 (BST)

You're perfectly welcome. Everyone needs a friend :) --Cyberbob240 03:56, 12 April 2006 (BST)

I demand less "I am right and you aren't" behaviour

Seriously, I didn't see you admitting once that you are wrong and that there might be a piece of truth in an opinion of another person. My proof? Look at your own user page and see what you've written about your rejected suggestions. It's always the other people that aren't right, they don't understand your ideas or they are too simple-minded, right? I don't have anything against you directly, but you should consider that you can't be right all the time. To say is with an overused catchphrase: Nobody is perfect, and that means also you. -Craw 03:41, 12 April 2006 (BST)

I have many more failed suggestions than the ones I listed. Therein lies the "They may be right" thoughts you're wondering about. I don't really say anything unless I think I'm right, (in other words, if I questioned something, I wouldn't post it) so I guess I just find myself saying something I actually support, and then I defend it. I can see how that comes across as just believing everyone but me is wrong.
Example: I actually believe Zar is bullying/harassing/antagonizing me on a regular basis. If I didn't, I wouldn't have posted that report. Yeah, I realize I'm not right all the time. I've posted things on my User Page only to remove them when I realized I was probably wrong. Same with the Crossman Defense Force page.
I even admitted my own part in a problem to someone very recently (in black and white on the Wiki) who just went and kicked me in the teeth right afterward. That's not an admission of wrong-doing I'll forget any time soon! lol :D
But to be sure, I'm definitely trying to reel it in. I dunno if anyone's noticed (probably not) but I've actually cut down my interaction with users on this Wiki by about half. At one point I was monitoring and commenting on a TON of pages (not always arguements, mind you) but now I've removed a lot of things from my watch list, and let a couple things go unanswered where I would have previously preferred to reply. (not that it ever does any good.)
I'm not sure if this is coming across as genuine or more "I'm right! I'm already doing all this!!" kinda junk, but I guess I'll find out...? :X -- Amazing 03:48, 12 April 2006 (BST)
PS: I'm going to strive to reach 100% un-flamedness. That is to say, I plan on gradually working toward a point where the flamers get no fuel from me because I bite my tongue when I want to speak against their behavior/words. (Barring extreme cases like actual totally obvious vandalism.) -- Amazing 04:07, 12 April 2006 (BST)
Frankly, I've come into the middle of this and all I see are huge egos duking it out all around. People are obstinate. They'll form opinions and stick to it and not always for good reason. I'm not saying that everything I've seen against you is justified, but facts are that you aren't helping things the way you've reacting either. I'm glad to see you support the civil language policy and are already working on biting your tongue so to speak. I let my own temper get the better of me myself so I understand tempers. Anyways, just wanted to let you know that I'm supporting your most recent actions even if I don't agree with all of them.Prosperina 03:02 13 April 2006 (BST)
PS Whatever wrongs or rudeness she's shown to you. The Mama Mia page probably isn't gonna help the situation if you want to stop the constant flaming.
Well, I have to be able to defend myself against her baloney SOMEwhere. Or should I just let everyone pick at me without ever saying anything? -- Amazing 03:19, 13 April 2006 (BST)
You Know... sometimes its better to let people say what they will. Confucious said (and he really did say this unlike some of the jokes made at his expense) Sometimes it is better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. And just to be clear-No I am not calling you a fool, I'm just saying you might curry more favor with "the masses" by playing the Silent Martyr for a while rather than playing the part of the Vengeful Cowboy.
I don't know if I want to be a Martyr... heh. I'd prefer to be un-defamed, really. I thought I could step back and out of the fray, but it seems some not only can't let go, but want to ensure I don't either. *shrug* - It's a process. Gradually I'll work toward a teflon coating that shrugs off their slime. -- Amazing 03:59, 13 April 2006 (BST)


I've actually begun to begin all my edits, especially about you, "your" PK'er groups (as in kill-you, not you-kill), and who I'm defending, with a question; "Do I Really Need To Add Something"? And honestly, I've cut down on the Posturing the wiki seems to create. Therefore, I don't need much from you to stop any blood-fued I've begun.
Therefore, as long as I don't believe you are breaking a rule such as Editing/Vandalizing Group POV, I most likely won't have anything to say. All I would like is for you to admit that TSO captured the Crossman Grove Police Department and can claim an undisputed victory.
And if you give me a cookie, I'll become an Amazing-Supporter (I will even wear a shiney red button for it and everything, if you make it!) --Karlsbad 05:08, 12 April 2006 (BST)

As long as I can save face and best serve the people who follow me by saying "TSO captured Crossman Grove PD amid CDF disarray" you've got a deal. :) Man, honestly we would have LOVED to have an old skool battle royale.. I'm sure you know though about this GANKBUS and ASS shit. They can come after me all they want, I don't care - but they're killing everyone in CDF every day. Bah. (End unrelated ranting.)
Oh, and whatever happens to you after you eat the cookie is completely unrelated... *cough* -- Amazing 05:14, 12 April 2006 (BST)
Sounds fine to me- put it on the TSO page under the endorsements with good-faith and null-snarkyness, and you've got a deal. Now gimmie cookie! --Karlsbad 05:28, 12 April 2006 (BST)
Here's the cookie. Hold your nose when you eat it. -- Amazing 05:31, 12 April 2006 (BST)
Its not even an issue, my nose fell off after a glancing-headshot. *ravishes cookie* --Karlsbad 05:37, 12 April 2006 (BST)
And in leu of a button, here you go: {{AmazingFan}}
Amazing 666sm.gif Amazing Fan Club Member
This User is officially a devoted fan of longtime Wiki contributor Amazing and his lovely beard!
Bwah ha ha ha. ;) -- Amazing 05:38, 12 April 2006 (BST)

Harassment Policy

Hey Amazing. Check out the finished draft of a Harassment policy Wyndallin and I have put together here or here. Leave your feedback on either his talk page or mine. --Cyberbob240CDF - Arb - W! 13:37, 23 April 2006 (BST)

You have my support sight unseen, because ANYthing is better than this uncheck, sad, tragic circus. I'll look it over tomorrow. -- Amazing 08:02, 24 April 2006 (BST)
*polite cough* --Cyberbob240CDF - Arb - W! 11:15, 27 April 2006 (BST)
*another cough* --Cyberbob240CDF - Arb - W! 07:05, 30 April 2006 (BST)
Say things instead of making a noise. It just works better. -- Amazing 07:10, 30 April 2006 (BST)
OK, I'll say it then. Have you read it yet, and if you have, would you please leave your feedback on either my or Wyndallin's talk pages. --Cyberbob240CDF - Arb - W! 07:12, 30 April 2006 (BST)
When/if I have feedback to leave, perhaps? -- Amazing 07:16, 30 April 2006 (BST)
So you don't have any thoughts on the policy? --Cyberbob240CDF - Arb - W! 07:17, 30 April 2006 (BST)
Not atm. I'm a bit over-extended. -- Amazing 06:02, 1 May 2006 (BST)~


Hey, thanks for putting my on the accepted arbitrator list, I hope you don't mind, but I'm gonna put the drama llama on one of my pages, if you don't want it there I'll take it off.--Duce Nauks 20:35, 24 April 2006 (BST)

np. That's not a template I was speaking against. -- Amazing 20:53, 24 April 2006 (BST)

Just FYI

Well, two things. First of all, I'd like to apologize for uploading your image to the wiki after you made it clear you did not wish it to be available. It wasn't my place to re-upload it, and I was wrong to upload and revert it.

Secondly, hagnat has offered a ruling on our arbitration case, which you haven't responded to. Don't know if you already saw it, but it's there. --Lucero Capell 03:48, 26 April 2006 (BST)

Haven't seen it. Been off the Wiki during the entirity of the day. Looking now. -- Amazing 03:53, 26 April 2006 (BST)

All Hail

Amazing, by the power bestowed upon me by nobody, I crown thee King Amazing I. - CthulhuFhtagn 04:27, 26 April 2006 (BST)

Fuck yeah! -- Amazing 04:31, 26 April 2006 (BST)

Quick Things

Dear Lordly Amazing

  1. Congradulations on your new kingship! Hail!
  2. Though I am a proud member of the Amazing Fan Club, I must decline to join the Love Amazing Template regiment; my fanatic behavor is out of hate of idiocy, not love for you.
  3. If I ever fight you in Real Time, I submit that, as I am a zombie by trade, that the following RP dialog shall be considered to have happened;
    'zing; You can call me Amazing!
    Kb; Yeah? Well we must be married, because I'm FUCKING AMAZING!
  4. Though I appriciate your "quoting" me, I think it does deserve more context that simply "not-Amazing"
But don't you see? All people fall into the category "Not me"! -- Amazing 21:53, 26 April 2006 (BST)

Simply Amazing

I saw the petition against you, and remebered all your contrabutions (sic). I have fought many battles against fascist mods elsewhere, and have decided that it is time for yet another battle. I have much against Grim (suggestions page cough cough) and belive that he shall be the first battle. So I ask you, please, help me. I think the best way to attack him is to start yet another petition. A petiton to ban Grim. So I need some information on his past crimes (and I guess some stuff that shows he might not be a complete assmonkey) so that it can happen. Thanks. 343 01:09, 30 April 2006 (BST)


Well, I think that if we (those who dislike Grim) simply watch his actions very closely and report what needs reporting (as in, his actual abusive nature and misdeeds) then he'll bring himself down soon enough. The problem is that the other Mods are more prone to look the other way with him than in my case where they jumped on the first questionable non-rulebreaking action I did as a Mod and removed me. -- Amazing 03:28, 30 April 2006 (BST)
Amazing. Deleting an image without due process was a violation of the rules, regardless of the circumstances, and seeing that the promotion you recieved was also against the rules (As admitted by the person who did it, and coincidentally the man who wrote the rules) it was only fitting that you lost that status. In any case, i cannot stop you from trying to dig up dirt on me, nor can i attack you for it, so i will instead wish you luck, and the best in extracting yourself from the cloud of seething hate you have wrapped around your heart, you would be much better off being rid of it. --Grim s 07:18, 30 April 2006 (BST)
Deleting an image without due process was against no written rule and has happened before, as done my other Mods. Lose.
As for attacking me, seems you can and have. (even at the end of your note there) Lose.
And as for that inane comment, you think too much of yourself. When I'm not on this Wiki, its events don't cross my mind. When I AM on the wiki, YOU don't even cross my mind until I see some silly thing you've said or done. Yeah man, don't think so much of yourself. It isn't healthy. Don't pretend to know my heart, because I can guarentee it's better than yours. ;) -- Amazing 07:23, 30 April 2006 (BST)
Do you think you could wait for a valid misconduct case against Grim, rather than trolling bitterly on the Vandal Banning page? (Your own mod status was never legal or supported, you'd presumably have been demoted pending an actual successful mod application, whether or not you deleted any images.) --Punchkin 03:08, 1 May 2006 (BST)
I'll make my reservations as per Grim's mod status know just as others did mine. "legal"... Heh. Good one. -- Amazing 03:28, 1 May 2006 (BST)
Trolling's okay if an unrelated third party has trolled the troller first? Even when you felt this was unacceptable and that heavy arbitration was the best way to deal with it? Good one. --Punchkin 03:59, 1 May 2006 (BST)
Oh boy. Another one who makes comments unrelated to the discussion and acts like he's making a point. -- Amazing 04:24, 1 May 2006 (BST)
Sorry, it's hard to know what you're talking about, sometimes. You just seemed to be making your reservations known by trolling, and I thought that was what you meant. --Punchkin 05:21, 1 May 2006 (BST)

My User Page

I have a question. Are the templates in the main body lined up, and are my first two characters in the sidebar fully visible? --Cyberbob240CDF - Arb - W! 09:34, 3 May 2006 (BST)


ASS has requested me as an arbitration on Moderation/Arbitration/Amazing_vs_ASS. I'm willing to arbitrate on the case, but I would like to have your confirmation on Arbitration page before I begin. --Brizth mod T W! 11:55, 3 May 2006 (BST)

I'm not exactly sure what you said on my talk page, but anyway, I already answered to Jimbo Bob here. Oh and the CDF page looks ok. --Brizth mod T W! 13:22, 13 May 2006 (BST)

Polite Request

I notice that you use a lot of external links, despite the fact you are linking to something in the wiki. Could you refrain from doing that, and use interwiki links wherever possible?

On an unrelated note: what happened to your user page? I miss the "it makes my eyes bleed" white on black rip-off of the lastest fad, it was classic. –Xoid STFU! 12:37, 3 May 2006 (BST)

Vandalism - Lewiddyion

He added some nasty comments to your page - I reverted them, and reported him for vandalism. See either the page's history or the link in my report for the exact comments. For mild hilarity, see his talk page here. Note my comment :D --Cyberbob240CDF - Arb - W! 17:04, 5 May 2006 (BST)

Malton Neighborhood Watch

You realize it is just a matter of minutes until someone post YOUR name in this list, right ? Are you ready for another round of drama and edit wars ?

It is a good idea, though. --hagnat mod 05:47, 7 May 2006 (BST)

They could say you are ruining their game experience in this wiki... Anyway, i didnt said the above comment to attack you amazing, only to warn you about something that is obviously going to happen soon. When that happen, try to remain cool and let the joke go on... there will be a lot less drama if you receive it with good humour instead of insta-deleting it out of the page. --hagnat mod 06:08, 7 May 2006 (BST)
Well, following the wiki spirit you just cant remove whatever people add there just because you deem them as not rescpectable reporter. Even if you could, this is exactly what would cause more drama! And they could file you there using the 4th rule, A user makes any large-scale effort spanning a long time-period with the sole intent of ruining you or your group's gameplay. The whole drama that surrounds you pissed off a lot of people, and they could claim you ruined their gameplay in the wiki.
My user page is an example of that. I am in wikation (not now because i am sick at home and have nothing better to do) because i am tired of reading people attacking you and you attacking back. I am not saying that i am sick of you. I already said you could do good things for the wiki if you had a chance. I am only sick of all drama that surrounds you over the last months. Be it started by you or by others. --hagnat mod 06:28, 7 May 2006 (BST)
Well, the drama will hopefully be outweighed by the usefulness. As with the Sacred Ground Policy, I'm hoping this will take off without me being there every step of the way. SOMEthing needs to be done about Griefing. It's not an actual part of gameplay, in fact it's merely game destruction. -- Amazing 07:08, 7 May 2006 (BST)

Yo, Amazing. I'm going to add myself to the Most Wanted list. I already have 2 votes and that's the only ones so far. I'll make myself 2nd most wanted since hagnat is 1st. Sonny Corleone WTF 14:24, 26 May 2006 (BST)


Amazing, I want to talk to you on some kind of IM. I really want to get this worked out. I don't hate you but you not accepting the fact that PARA doesn't ally/friends with anyone to not get involved in politics is really trying our patience. Let's settle this like men. Sonny Corleone 12:00, 9 May 2006 (BST)

And one more thing. Ridleybank Reclamation Forces are zombie so CrossmanDF is technically a Z-H Alliance. Sonny Corleone 12:01, 9 May 2006 (BST)


I added a new NPOV on the CDF page, you may remove the old one. And I ask you to make sure this one doesn't get edited by someone of CDF. If you or somebody else has a problem with it, please contact me, and we'll discuss it. I also mentioned this to Jimbo Bob. this to avoid more edit wars and vandal reports.--Vista W! 22:33, 9 May 2006 (BST)

Re: Scinfaxi

I just wanted to put in my two cents on the whole Scinfaxi case and give you some advice, for what it's worth. It seems like there is no current way to deal with someone like Scinfaxi who could be described as harrassing or perhaps even trolling. What's more, even if he get's permabanned (I don't know the process for that, but it sounds lengthy) I can easily imagine him finding someway to get back on. (I don't know how. I just know he likes to get the last word.) So I don't think there is anything you can do to get rid of him, or other people fueding with you. The only solution I can see is to ignore him entirely. Trust me I think that will bother him far more than any response you could come up with or any sanction the wiki currently has. As stated above, this is all just my opinion, and i have no special knowledge or evidence to back it up. This is strictly POV, but I thought I'd give it a shot.Jjames 18:49, 11 May 2006 (BST)

If he got banned, every instance of him logging in afterward can then be banned. That's how you 'deal with' someone like Scinfaxi. -- Amazing 19:01, 11 May 2006 (BST)
It just seems like it is difficult to ban anyone on the wiki and when people figure out how far they can push without getting banned, they can still find ways to get around it. I don't think it would be difficult for anyone banned to appear with a new IP adress and then lay low until they find a new excuse to start harrassing people. (I'm speaking in general here, not towards any specific user.) Do you really think you will ever see all the people who attack you disaapear? My experiences online suggest that this element will always exist in one form or another and especially in open formats like the wiki. However, we need openess for helpful good faith disussions that make the game better. I hoestly believe that is why you are on here, as proven by your contributions and ability to resolve matters civily in at least some circumstances (as proven by your experiences with me). I feel it would be best for you, and the wiki, if you ignored meritless comments and returned to contributing helpful, appreciated content. Once again, this is not an indictment of you. I don't think you are to blame for these fueds, but you do participate in them, and you could end them by ignoring them. I only give you this advice for your benifit. As I've said before, ignoring Scinfaxi would probably be the worst punishment you could afford him.Jjames 01:21, 12 May 2006 (BST)
Ideally, if a few 'victories' against harassment go my way, sure a couple folks will work around it, but hopefully the majority or at least half will stop. A couple people I can handle. An entire pack will just keep picking and biting until there's nothing left. -- Amazing 01:25, 12 May 2006 (BST)
That seems overly optimistic to me, but it's your choice. The reason I enjoy the internet is because the stakes are so low. I don't see the need to get drawn into arguments with people that are totally irrational or can't follow basic rules of civlity and discourse. But you obviously understand my postition and still disagree, and I can respect that. Good luck.Jjames 01:30, 12 May 2006 (BST)
Yeah, I guess it's a different set of internet experiences. I've been a few places where myself or others have been targetted (never to this degree by this many folks in this harassing fashion) and I guess I'm bringing that past experience to this. Maybe in a while you'll be where I'm at, or I'll be where you are on this. -- Amazing 01:39, 12 May 2006 (BST)

Section for the girl who won't shut up


I'd call up the phone company and find out where that call came from. I'm sure Kevan wouldn't be the least bit happy about people taking things into the real world. --SirensT RR 02:43, 12 May 2006 (BST)

I thought of that. Problem is that all the folks it could be play from computer labs. In most cases I've had access to the IPs through various places, and in others it's simply a claim. It'd never stick to any one person. I should've played along, in retrospect, but I always forget to and just go for the immediate comment. If it becomes an issue (And this is a note to whomever. Yeah, you're reading this.) believe me I'll probably persue some legal means of ceasing it. -- Amazing 02:46, 12 May 2006 (BST)
Yeah, I'd have to agree. Taking it from the game to the wiki is bad enough, but taking it into the "real world" is simply least in my book. Especially things like that which you really can't ignore. --SirensT RR 03:08, 12 May 2006 (BST)
I probably shouldn't say this here, but really the only thing that bugged me was that I had to switch over from my dial-up connection and lost it. :) heh heh. At this point I can only assume (with major reason to) that it related to this page. -- Amazing 03:11, 12 May 2006 (BST)


Can I have my own header on your page? Pretty please?? --SirensT RR 02:43, 12 May 2006 (BST)

Buh? Talk page or Userpage? If you mean the talk page here, go for it. ffs. -- Amazing 02:46, 12 May 2006 (BST)

My Roomate

My roomate spoke up earlier today and asked, "Who's Amazing?". He said a comment had been left by someone with that name in his blog. Do both of us a favor and leave him out of it, as he's busy enough as it is without having to deal with either of us. --SirensT RR 19:36, 1 May 2006 (BST)

At the time I thought it was yours. Realized it wasn't a moment after posting, figured "Meh". -- Amazing 02:41, 2 May 2006 (BST)
I think, then that we should leave each other alone again, except for general Wiki business. It would really really suck if this escaped beyond the Wiki, though I admit it would probably suck more for me. --SirensT RR 02:49, 2 May 2006 (BST)
Heh heh. -- Amazing 04:48, 2 May 2006 (BST)
Thought you might like this:
A quick note: I made this, and I don't want it uploaded to the Wiki. You're free to hotlink it though. If you're wondering what it's all about, think of this as a form of an appology for all the trouble I've caused, directly or indirectly.
--SirensT RR 01:15, 3 May 2006 (BST)
Nooooo you've made my head explode. What an ingenius plot! heh. -- Amazing 01:44, 3 May 2006 (BST)
Let me guess, you're thinking that I could swap the image out or something. You can quote me on this: I swear that if I replace that image (though it may get deleted eventually to save space) I will accept it's removal, and accept whatever ban you deem nessesary. --SirensT RR 01:51, 3 May 2006 (BST)
That's not what I think. :) I'll use though. -- Amazing 01:55, 3 May 2006 (BST)
Thank you for pointing out my Roomate's failure to protect my directories. I GUESS you can use that one. --SirensT RR 02:14, 3 May 2006 (BST)
Heh. I just took out the "images.php". Can't hurt to be careful, y'dig? -- Amazing 02:18, 3 May 2006 (BST)
Well he said the protection wasn't on anyways, so I guess you did a good thing :P (Edit) So any plans for it? --SirensT RR 02:34, 3 May 2006 (BST)
Any suggestions? -- Amazing 03:58, 3 May 2006 (BST)
My template bias tells me to make some kind of template out of it, but I don't know how much bandwidth it chews up just being in your user space. I saw you had an a section where you record appologies when I was looking to see if you took down "Mama Mia". Perhaps you could quote that line, image included? I worked hard on it, I'd hate to see it confined to a talk page :P --SirensT RR 04:15, 3 May 2006 (BST)


You know that saying "Curiousity killed the cat"? Meow. Just wondering what you might have to say.

Oh, and in case you're wondering why I've been so nice lately, I had someone I trust and respect from the RRF chat confess that you were once a good editor that just got caught up in all the Drama. I believe it, as I caught myself heading down that path. Call it empathy, I suppose. --SirensT RR 02:15, 10 May 2006 (BST)
You seem to be trying to do good for the wiki, but I wonder if it's for Modship. You seem to be acting more pleasant, but I look back on the flaming beforehand. You seem like a creative, intelligent person, but I've been on your bad side. I'm not really on either side of the fence on this one. As with Karlsbad, I am completely able to drop bad feelings and move on when I see that person "isn't so bad" (if you'll excuse the phrase, can't come up with better on the spot) so basically, no hard feelings - but at this time I'd have to get free of all this drama and hang around for a while to grow some new positive ones. -- Amazing 02:24, 10 May 2006 (BST)
I can understand all that. After what I did before, I don't expect you to turn around and love me in a single week. That reminds me, I want to make something clear. When I lied about why I wanted to know about the avatars, I really didn't intend any malice. At the time, I had decided to get in touch with the local law offices to find out who was right in the situation, and finnally get some final word on it, thus hoping to end the drama.
As for my decision to clean up my act coinciding with my decision to run for mod again, you're partly right. But mostly I was disgusted by my bahaviour as a whole. It's wasn't who I wanted to be. --SirensT RR 02:34, 10 May 2006 (BST)

Purtty Template

Stoned.gif Malton Neighborhood Watch
This group or user is too stoned to support the
Malton Neighborhood Watch.

Sorry, after seeing the image, I couldn't resist. –Xoid STFU! 13:31, 14 May 2006 (BST)

I originally had the idea of promoting this as a message indicating "I support the group in principle, but am too lazy to actively do anything." Do you have any issue with it being promoted as such, Amazing? –Xoid STFU! 01:34, 17 May 2006 (BST)
No man, no problem here - go for it. I wouldn't have had any problem with the image at all had it not been uploaded over the real one originally. -- Amazing 01:42, 17 May 2006 (BST)
Understandable. Well, it's done. I done some other formatting changes as well. Superficial mostly. As always, you're the founder and can revert anything you don't like. –Xoid STFU! 16:03, 17 May 2006 (BST)

Mnweye.gif Malton's Most Wanted!
The user below is currently #{{{wanted_ranking}}} on Malton's Most Wanted list, and should be terminated on sight without mercy.
{{{character_name}}} - {{{character_type}}} Player


For these crimes, the penalty is {{{penalty}}}.

Last seen in [[{{{suburb}}}]].

Your opinion? –Xoid STFU! 04:47, 26 May 2006 (BST)

For what reason? -- Amazing 04:49, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Why bother hardcoding the bloody thing? Less work this way. You could always remove the other aspects #{{{wanted_ranking}}} on Malton's Most Wanted list. Of course, since you are in the process of fiddling with the thing, the colours where simply a choice of what looked best at the time. –Xoid STFU! 04:53, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Sounds like it could work. Should be in User:Amazing/ though. That way when people inevitably vandalize it, they'll hopefully realize it's in a userspace and decided against it. -- Amazing 04:55, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Which is why I didn't touch it. That's your user space, it's not my place to touch it. Especially since it would require me editing your user page and because of how militantly opposed you are to others editing your page(s). –Xoid STFU! 05:05, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Addendum: Since to change who is currently "Malton's Most Wanted" they would have to vandalise your group's page, that would still count as a bad faith edit; they'd get a warning or ban just like if they touched your user space. –Xoid STFU! 05:07, 26 May 2006 (BST)
Sounds good. Yeah, the Userspace thing was for "Extra Security". I would've realized it was a good-faith edit, though. No worries. I suppose I can let it go to the group's space. Feel free to roll with it and make the appropriate changes to the page. -- Amazing 05:09, 26 May 2006 (BST)


Your wikigate case have come to a final ruling. Read it, and respect it. --hagnat mod 20:55, 16 May 2006 (BST)

Already asked for that exact thing, which was denied by the accused parties. Needless to say I will have no issues with respecting it. -- Amazing 22:00, 16 May 2006 (BST)

The flies running after us

Amazing dont send any fools following us around.I saw Cloaked Wright(or whatever his name was).And it wasnt a coincidence because I saw a CDF in Rhoden and again in the current location where we are at the moment.Leave us alone like we did, we dont want anything else. --DarthRevan 20:40, 19 May 2006 (BST) EDIT: While we are not at best terms I completely agree that the thing that is happening to you guys is not fair and I support Malton Neighbourhood Watch.Will speak with the rest of the LCD. --DarthRevan 20:49, 19 May 2006 (BST)

I barely have time for UD... or for the LCD... I just simply cant do much... you can almost say I quited the game. Either way Maul is not under my commandment... concerning anything about LCD contact Johnny... I wont be online pretty much from now on. DarthRevan 20:08, 29 May 2006 (BST)


Thanks for the heads up, some of us forgot to list it as our group. We should be on the page soon, depending on who has it listed and who doesn't--Admiral Ackbar U! WTF 05:31, 26 May 2006 (BST)

Sounds like a plan. -- Amazing 05:31, 26 May 2006 (BST)

You said to post it here.

The strawman is why I am specifically pissed off with you at the moment. Great job with the strawman, by the way. No, really, you've outdone yourself.

*sigh* Look into Cwissball's history; he is as green behind the gills as a wiki participant can get. Knowing this, your position, towards a first time offender, is untenable. –Xoid STFU! 19:10, 27 May 2006 (BST)

What is this "strawman" shit? My "position" was to make note that he MIGHT have been acting in a manner you guys did not assume he was. That's all.
You guys' reaction to THAT is untenable. -- Amazing 01:35, 28 May 2006 (BST)
I don't know if you saw what I wrote or not, but I just want to make sure that you know that he wasn't acting under any orders from us to vandalize. I hate vandals. (That is, assuming he wasn't just a newbie). --Bob Hammero TW!U! 02:20, 28 May 2006 (BST)
Uh, never mind, I didn't write that. Remind me in the future to read my watchlist a little more closely. :-) --Bob Hammero TW!U! 02:22, 28 May 2006 (BST)
It wasn't what you said, it was the way it was said. The strawman was how you twisted both Cyberbob240's and my words; making out like we said to not ever report something like that happening, when we clearly did not. –Xoid STFU! 04:39, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Profile Database

Not sure if you want to add these, but… some famous names: (or at least the dude who runs 'em)

Kevan's Characters:

Raven Black's Characters:

Famous People:

Xoid STFU! 04:39, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Is your site down or something? I just tried checking up on the profile database and… nothing.
Coincodentally, I just noticed that your userboxes are a mix of the on-yer-page-and/or-transclusion-from-userspace type and regular templates. You may wish to change your on-yer-page-and/or-translcusion-from-userspace type userboxes to be 250px wide, as that's the standard. Also, out of sheer curiousity, why the old hagnat template, instead of the prettier one? –Xoid STFU! 08:12, 1 June 2006 (BST)
Site's not down for me. I've been having some host problems, so it might be something that only affects certain users. I'll look into it - Is the site working for you now? -- Amazing 18:22, 1 June 2006 (BST)


here. — If I recall correctly would've achieved the same thing. Thought you might like to know. –Xoid STFU! 05:06, 30 May 2006 (BST)

General Talk

this has nothing to do with any of the other headers you have on your page - i added this section to put my comment in... hope i didn't 'piss in your cheerios' by doing it.

  • Keep - i think this will help the zombies along the lines of their moans more than it would help any survivors - but regardless, i like the flavor. --Firemanstan 18:04, 5 Jan 2006 (GMT) Kill - LtMile & Rhialto make good points - needs a better trigger to be worth-wile. will vote keep on a resubmission with a better trigger though, i do like the flavor. --Firemanstan 22:13, 5 Jan 2006 (GMT)
  • Re: - Having any other trigger would only increase spam possibilities. -- Amazing 23:43, 5 Jan 2006 (GMT)
  • i really like the idea that you are suggesting - i think the flavor is bloody brilliant. i just don't think it would be worth implementing if it is only when you are logged in and being attacked down to 10 hp (it's never happened to any of my own characters anyways). i am willing to toss around ideas with you about a better trigger (potentially better) if your suggestion doesn't pass peer review. i think there has to be another rational trigger that wont exponentially increase the spam, and mine wont be the only one that will change to keep with a different/better trigger judging by some of the other comments made. --Firemanstan 00:51, 6 Jan 2006 (GMT)
  • after rereading some of the comments, i really think this is one of the very few cases where an automatic action would be ok. maybe present it as a skill (maybe under the civilian set) that people could buy. perhaps the trigger could be automatic upon going at or below 10 ap - and only happens once until the character is returned to full health. that would keep it from becoming too spammy. i really think you can still sell this idea even if the original version fails peer review. --Firemanstan 00:59, 6 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Yea, you did vote keep on a bunch of strange things. But if you look I didn't ask that you be "gotten rid of", which in and of itself was probably bad wording to use since it implied some sort of electronic lynching. Frosty and Craw seriously need to go though. --Zaruthustra 18:31, 11 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Amazing, you know what you should do? Just vote Spam on all of their suggestions, just as bullshitty as the rest of the suggestions they gangbang. You'll probably have to use just as little logic, reason and justification, too. This whole thing is just a pile of crap. As for me, I'm tired of this BS. Bye. Riktar 19:29, 12 Jan 2006 (GMT)

One: You meant that for Horje's comment that he doesn't assume buildings are in a perfect row, considering the perfect row supports your argument. Two: there are other obstacles in your line of sight besides buildings, such as overturned buses and wouldn't the streets be littered with cars and debris? Three: decrease sight range to a 5x5 block but change it to a 6x6 if you go inside certain buildings to use binoculars. Also, I would advise you to drop your more cavalier attitude towards everyone, as it does effect your votes for suggestions. You're also excessively using your REs... Again. AllStarZ 05:05, 15 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Why so touchy? Did I hurt your feewings widdle baby? Aw... AllStarZ 01:16, 19 Jan 2006 (GMT)

What makes you think you are not snotty? AllStarZ 06:45, 26 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Oh and snotty little shit is a good insult? Pffft... Besides, I'll be creative when I want to and crude when I feel I need to. Oh yeah, btw, try mentioning ALL of your suggestions that failed in your user page, and not the ones that were successful or undecided. And Kevan did so not implement your ideas, else they would've been mentionned in the peer accepted as implemented. AllStarZ 16:21, 26 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Jak Rhee's butt

Hey Amazing. I was checkign the wiki history on the deletion of you Rumagging suggestion and I saw you said you were editing numbers in. Look, that needs to be stopped. Every time a suggestion is edited after its been posted it may change or invalidate everyone's votes making an honest tally impossible. In fact all it can do is hurt you, because peopel who voted Kill wont change it. Instead of editing due to people's comments, I reccommend creating a whole new suggestion, preferably the following day. Use a Version 2.0 or 3.0 or 5.0, etc. This cleans things up significantly and keep people from being pissed off. I know that I will vote kill on sugegstions that have been repeatedly modified just on the principle as I beelive peopel shoudl be THROUGHLY investigating their suggestions before posting them. See my User Page for more on Good Posting Procedure. --Jak Rhee 02:34, 8 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Amazing, please dont reply so harshly. As you can see I wwas calm and polite in my statement here. You're right I cant order you to do things my way. However, I can make suggestions to you that I feel are helpful. I was simply tring to help by sharing my point of view, thinkign that maybe you'd be able to use the ideas. As quick to kill as I am in Suggestions, I only do so out of what I feel are the best interests of the Game. It is the same for the comments I made above ==Jak Rhee 02:39, 8 Jan 2006 (GMT)

I've seen how your treated Amazing, and your right, we've been gettign harsh. Its most ebcause we're frustrated. Yes you dont have to follow the commonly accepted guidelines, but then you can't expect to be well-received if you dont. People liek completely thought out suggestions... we tend to be harsh towards ANYONE who doesnt do that. Not just you. It's not personal. You make the choice not to try and be a team player, so to speak.. but there ARE unspoken reules in any group or society - of which we can be considered. While not following those rules can't get you banned or officially sanctioned in anyway, it will piss alot of people off and generally make life harder. The unspoked rules are there to better the community.. not to discriminate agaisnt you or any other player --Jak Rhee 02:49, 8 Jan 2006 (GMT)

I'd like to refer you back to that link I gave regarding invalid votes.. to quote: "Kill/Change, Keep, but Change, Keep/Change - These votes will result in the only valid part of your vote being counted; the change part is completely ignored during the vote tallying. If you only want the suggestion to be kept if it's changed, vote Kill and ask them to re-suggest with your changes. " This is the OFFICIAL rules. Those peer-reviewed suggestions were from before Keep/Chjange was disallaowed --Jak Rhee 04:56, 15 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Amazing, I do not "hate your guts" I am just a stickler for Suggestiosn to be damn near to perfect as I state in my wiki bio. By my interpetation "If you only want the suggestion to be kept if it's changed, vote Kill and ask them to re-suggest with your changes" means EXACTLY that... do not vote Keep unless you want the suggestion Kept AS IS. I dont see how else that line can be interpreted. --Jak Rhee 05:05, 15 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Alraight, thats fair enough. I see the word only, but I've bseen a LOT of people vot Keep' with a notation of 'But it has to have...' or somethign similar. I think this needs to be discouraged, so I wanted to bring that rule to light. Your sugegsted just happened to give me an oppertunity. I would also like to point out, as I pointed out in Suggestion Talk, that there is no conspiracy agaisnt you. WCDZ is a joke. The only conspiracy I have is against BAD suggestions. I dont care who makes them, if I dont feel they are perfect and ready to be coded into the game PRECISELY as written, then I Kill and encourage others to Kill. I'd perfer to see Suggestions resubmitted until perfect. I'll vote Keep on ANY such suggestion REGARDLESS of who wrote it and would appreciate never being accused of being out to get you again. I'm only out to get imperfect suggestions. Finally, I'd have to note that you seem to feel that anyone who disagrees with you isnt reading. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your words. Isn't it possible that we just DISAGREE with you? Or don't like the idea? --Jak Rhee 05:18, 15 Jan 2006 (GMT)

I am not one of those people, Amazing. Liek I said.. I jsut want to see the suggestions be almost perfect that are in Peer-Reviewed. Thats all. Thats the focus of every vote I make. No more, no less. Its not personal.. it really isnt and Im sorry if its seemed that way --Jak Rhee 05:41, 15 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Actually it sounds like our view of SUggestions page is similar. We both see it as a place SUgestions can receive feedback so they can be improved. HOWEVER, I just don thtink until the have been improved and reubmitted and improved again to the point of being PEFERCT should they move on into Peer-Reviewed. KIll - for me- is for sugegstions that I feel, someday, with work may become Peer-Reviwable... Of course, Spam is for just utter garbage that'll NEVER bee useful, breaks the ruels and shatters the game.. or are just silly. Anyway, I LOVE the amount of thought and detail you put into Binoculars. It's great and its what I like to see in a Suggestion. I just dont like the idea all that much is all. --Jak Rhee 05:51, 15 Jan 2006 (GMT)

I'd just like to say.. SEE?? Its not personal. Never was. Even AllStarZ voted Keep because it was a good, fixed suggestion. It was never a personal vendetta for anyone. Hell, we'd vote Keep on a Jason Killdare suggestion if it was a good one... heh... a good Killdare suggestion... hee hee.. I kill me --Jak Rhee 00:53, 16 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Specific Suggestion Stuffs


Thank you for your help in developing the tally system. Hopefully it will make for a clearer UD Wiki suggestions page. If there are complaints, you get full credit. Heh :) -- Andrew McM 16:22, 5 Jan 2006 (GMT)

On the subject of guns

27 items, huh? guns count as 2 items, in case ya didn't know that :) --Spellbinder 06:16, 8 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Indeed I didn't know that. Hahaha Thanks! --Amazing 06:04, 9 Nov 2005 (GMT)

MaulMachine dishing out a compliment

Multiple Floors suggestions is BRILLIANT. --MaulMachine 20:13, 20 Nov 2005 (EST)

AGHH! Oh.. I mean Thanks!! :D -- Amazing 05:50, 21 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Ill-fated Antibiotics Suggestion

Hey, just an FYI: I made a discussion entry about Antibiotics to let you know why I voted Spam. Bentley Foss 04:07, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Dude, you should really stop reviving anti... the head moderator is the one who axed it. --Zaruthustra 04:10, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I'm totally jacking your billboard idea and revising it. --Zaruthustra 01:51, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Noooooooooo - okay. You know I'll mention it in my vote for or against it, though. hah ;) -- Amazing 01:52, 15 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Flavor Text suggestion

  • Flavor Text Suggestions
Keep - Non author author vote. For those who think they are a bit long, most are meant as guides. Suggestions come up from time to time asking for more flavor text, but expecting Kevan to come up with everything. The guy doesn't have infinite time on his hands. All of these can easily be edited to simpler form by removing some extraneous bits, but still hold more flavor than the current "you attack for x damage", "you find nothing", etc. TheTeeHeeMonster and myself never expected all variations of each action text to make it into the game, we just wanted to give Kevan more to pick from. Feeding Groans, and Barricade building & attacking were not done in this - because the current text in game for that is O.K in my opinion (same as using DNA scanners, and using syringes) and frankly it took me long enough to come up with the rest. And Amazing, most PKing is done while the character is off line. Those don't tell anyone anything that the person PKing isn't already Roll Playing in their head already. --Blahblahblah 15:32, 27 Jan 2006 (GMT) EDIT I don't know if you are the kind of person that reads others votes after you've already placed yours. Just wanted to make sure you saw mine that may clarify some things for you. --Blahblahblah 15:49, 27 Jan 2006 (GMT) EDIT - oops, I kept trying to move this out of the Jak Rhee's butt section - but kept putting it back there on accident... In the right place now.
  • Please take a moment to read the note I put up on the suggestion. As you do not seem to be opposed to the idea of more flavorful text, only the specific text (word for word) that is presented in the suggestion, I believe the note is relevant to you. --Blahblahblah 00:59, 28 Jan 2006 (GMT)
    • I'll check it out. -- Amazing 01:01, 28 Jan 2006 (GMT)


Can you point me in the direction of the "3 Keeps" rule, as officially mandated? -- Amazing 04:15, 26 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Check the discussion pages of the main Suggestion page. Preying was not the only one to not make it, and I, myself, asked why it did not go to the Peer Reviewed page early on. There is no official mandate for anything in this place but what Kevan decides to implement. I'll let you know now though that if I'm not the one that will remove it, someone else will, even if I don't say a word about it and let it slide. That's just how the others are. I wouldn't press the issue as (as you can tell) the others can get "testy" about things. I find it best for myself not to rock the boat and advise others to not rock it either. --Squashua 04:18, 26 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Go ahead and put it back up if you want, I won't take it down, though I may spell-check it. If someone else removes it, that's not my problem. --Squashua 04:31, 26 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Thanks for understanding. I should've killed the Kill votes that said: "Zombies don't eat animals evar!!" as irrelivant to begin with. X( -- Amazing 04:44, 26 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Bentley Foss Discussing Your Ideas

Removed via Moderator ruling.

Please see the discussion talk page for my reply concerning your "colored buttons" suggestion. Bentley Foss 17:40, 11 Jan 2006 (GMT)

RE Vandalism

Sorry, I'm in the right here. Please read the guidelines for removal of suggestions. --Daxx 23:13, 7 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Well, we'll see how far that goes. Drop your vendetta, please. Wasting moderators time is not a smart idea. --Daxx 23:17, 7 Jan 2006 (GMT)
If you want to get into an argument, you've picked the wrong person. Except for defending myself on the Moderation page, I really don't care about this and I'm not going to bother to talk about it further. --Daxx 23:21, 7 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Note: Daxx was let off on vandalism because of popular opinion rather than written rules, and was chastised on the Arbitration page for his misdeeds.

Stuff that's so old, it isn't even funny.

Banned for being too Awesome.

Do it again, AllStarZ and I'll report you.

Antibiotics was deleted again. Stop reviving it. The vote of the creator of a suggestion DOES NOT COUNT for the "unopposed" part of the spam rule. --LibrarianBrent 04:13, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Man, seriously. You're only going to get banned and it'll be taken down. Instead try proposing to rework the mechanics so FAKs dont heal infection and these do. --Zaruthustra 04:18, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

boop, responded. but understand they are my conditions, if anybody else takes it down, take it UP with them, and do not point at our deal as some kind of immutable law. what i said applys to me only--Spellbinder 23:47, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

boop is a sound effect

  • First one is true, and not against the rules given the situation. Second and third are Lies. Brent got mad at me. This is Slander. :( -- Amazing

This was not a case of right and wrong, it was a case of you being stubborn. Face it; it was your fault. --Carfan7 05:23, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Look at the facts instead of who has Moderator status. Suggestion was VERY different from the other! Saying different ignores the facts. I was banned for things I didn't do. I reposted when Brent deleted against regulations.
You're wholly wrong. Brent is being the stubborn one by consistantly lying and banning because he disagrees and thinks he's above the rules as laid out.
How can you say it's NOT an issue of right and wrong when the WRONG one gets to BAN the other?
Want proof he's doing this now for personal reasons? He dafaced my Wiki page. -- Amazing.

No you're the one that's wrong. You're idea was based on roughly the same idea, and it isn't your opinion that counts, it the opinion of others. You obviously can't take critism lightly, and if all people were like you, no one would be able to agree on anything. You blame other people for your actions instead of yourself. Your actions lead up to this incident if you look at it very carefully. It first started because YOU didn't follow the rules. It said clearly to read the old suggestions before you post. You clearly didn't do that. If you asked Kevan he would have agreed with me and Brent. --Carfan7 05:38, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

It was not roughly the same idea. By your silly comparison, bats are too similar to leingths of pipe, and should be removed from the game. Items with the same use are not exaclty the same thing. It started because Brent ignored a valid vote and deleted the suggestion. You actually need to look closer yourself.. at the rules. I did look back through suggestions, and mine was different from the other. Go into a store and look at antiseptic, then look at a bottle of pills if you don't know the difference between the two. Also try reading the text of my original suggestion again so you can see the differences. -- Amazing 23:08, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

And as *I* am ALSO one of the ones who has removed your blantent ripoffs, i'll back carfan, brent, and Zaruthustra. Quit being a stubborn ass about it. everybody knows that YOUR the badguy. yea, you can go and throw your little hissy fit, and deface wiki, but you know what? it takes two clicks to restore the whole thing. self centered egomanic.--Spellbinder 05:49, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I defaced nothing in the least. Read up on what a Wiki is, please. Other than that, you'll be worth my attention when you aren't spewing insults. -- Amazing 23:08, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Amazing, wait until the ban on your main account expires before you start editing again. You seriously need to chill out. --LibrarianBrent 04:26, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Further note: Your alternate accounts will all be banned if you keep making them. However, your main account's ban has worn off, since I only blocked you for one day anyway. Making further accounts is pointless, since you can now use your original one. --LibrarianBrent 04:31, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)
As of this time, Ban has not been removed. Did you forget to actually take it off? I needed alternate names because you banned me because you got angry, and I needed to speak up for myself against your defacing of my wiki page and suggestions. -- Amazing 05:05, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT) --Look for yourself, then. --LibrarianBrent 05:11, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Bats and pipes are not the same in anyway (ok they're both melee weapons) they both have different battle damage and Kevan obviously has other uses for them. This isn't my real point, but my real point is to tell you to please trying to repost stuff with other accounts! It's annoying and spams the wiki server with all that information! Like Brent said, please chill out dude! --Carfan7 04:57, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I said Bat and Leingth of Pipe. Problem here is either not reading, or not comprehending. -- Amazing 05:05, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

UPDATE: Fixed, happy? --Carfan7 05:34, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Yup. Went from being incorrect to just totally missing the point, but at least it's fixed. -- Amazing 05:36, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

No need to be sarcastic dude. --Carfan7 05:38, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Check out your own tone in previous messages. I get annoyed when people totally don't get something, but do not realize this. My point was Bats do more damage than pipes but both are weapons. "Antibiotics" was more elaborate and less powerful than Antiseptic, but both cured infection. Get the comparison, now? -- Amazing 05:42, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Then that means you would have no problem comparing shotguns to pistols? --Carfan7 05:48, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

X( ... Okay, I'll try one more time, here. Let's say Pistols were SUGGESTED but not in the game, okay? Someone writes that up and says: "A gun that has 6 shots and kills people and zombies." Then someone else SUGGESTS the idea of a Shotgun later, saying: "A gun that has two shots and kills people and zombies." -- These are not duplicate suggestions. They are different items with different attributes in the real world and different levels of effect. Now replace Pistols with Antiseptic, and Shotguns with Antibiotics. Get the picture? I'm not trying to be harsh, I'm trying to explain what I mean here. -- Amazing 05:54, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Okay, I'm going to stop trying, I'm very tired of this. I hope you get what I meant before and if you do, congraulations. If you think you just "won a fight" sorry, but you haven't learned anything. --Carfan7 06:00, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I have nothing to learn from someone who voted Spam on a suggestion and followed up on a disagreement I had with someone else entirely. -- Amazing 06:02, 23 Nov 2005 (GMT)

LibrarianBrent being a wangface

Hey, I've noticed that you were making a lot of edits to the same page recently- can I suggest that you use the Show Preview button? This helps reduce recentchanges clutter, leading to an easier-to-use wiki for almost everyone. Thanks, LibrarianBrent 02:45, 16 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Momentary respite from the dullards

I'm out of here. Screw this confrontational trolling bullcrud. Have a party because I'm not messing with this damned elitist Wiki anymore. -- Amazing 05:16, 26 Nov 2005 (GMT)

I'm gonna resume low use of the Wiki (very low) mainly for the purpose of maintaining the CDF page.. but in the meantime at least LibrarianBrent used this as a reason to delete my request for page protection. Oy vey! How very personal for a Moderator! XD -- Amazing 22:05, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)

MaulMachine's slow descent into madness

I've put their names up on the CDF Wiki page. They seem to have a few alts as well. -- Amazing 22:03, 6 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Where did I said something bad about you? I dont have anything against you dude.Show me where.Maybe someone is doing editions on my posts which is relatively easy.

Amazing,I want to put this behind us. And, in fact...I HAVE. Notice how I have left?Notice how I have stopped interfering? What does Cortonna have to gain froim reading that? -- MaulMachine 23:26, 17 Dec 2005 (EST)

It would benefit you too. You think he's gonna side with you on this? --MaulMachine 11:45, 19 Dec 2005 (EST)

Chuck Norris

We love as much as you do. We don't need quotes on pages here. Thank you.--'STER-Talk-Mod 21:28, 5 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Squinting and deleting author RE

Was there a specific reason why you deleted my responses to the votes on my suggestion? I was simply trying to clarify objections that people had pointed out or aspects of my suggestion that were misunderstood. Was there a valid reason for you deletion of my responses?--Perticus 20:24, 16 Jan 2006 (GMT)

new voting template

don't forget to alter the bit that broke the page in the no-wiki style portion too, as that's what we are voting on (just to keep it neat and ordered). Ooh and BTW, on your user page, why don't you make links of your undecided and peer-approved suggestions summary, lets' people see what you're talking about without cluttering it up.--Vista 22:14, 18 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Thought about it.. Didn't really want to spend the time on it. heh Maybe some time. -- Amazing 00:06, 19 Jan 2006 (GMT)

IJN Kongo

Okay you know what? It's true, the immature insults are wearing off really damn quick. Tell you what. I'll agree to get rid of the comments on my user page and anything other overtly aggressive thing that I have posted against you if you reduce your aggressiveness in all areas, from responding to voters or to any criticism otherwise. Also, stop REing so damn much. AllStarZ 04:21, 28 Jan 2006 (GMT)

MaulMachine's astounding lack of brains

Do not presume to call our men "shit" again unless you wanna get your ass shot off. Your men ARE cowards, and we ARE doing all the work. And in case you hand't noticed, two of your men have already joined us, disgusted at your apathy and poor decision-making. Stick to what you are good at: wiki discussions. Leave combat to the combatants. MaulMachine 03:37, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)

"CNR" revived?

By the way, I still vote CMSSYA on your drag bodies suggestion. :-P It has all the merits of being a Pied Piper skill. Can you look at it objectively and tell me that it doesn't amount to moving players around (even a little) without their consent? Preemptively: we've already established that the game would be unplayable without Dump Bodies, so don't drag that into the discussion.

And, really--you did behave very poorly toward a lot of people who pointed out valid reasons why they didn't like your suggestion...which, in turn, prompted most voters to intone annoyance in their votes. You did rather bring that upon yourself this time.

Once again, the issue at hand is: can you look at Drag Corpse 2.0 objectively and tell me that it doesn't amount to moving players around (even a little) without their consent? We've already established that the game would be unplayable without Dump Bodies, so don't drag that into the discussion. Cheers. Bentley Foss 06:15, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)

and your reply... "Corpses are not a player type in which the user can 'play' actively, so no, Players are not moved around at all. The imaginary place-holder for their zombie character is moved. The Survivor who is dragging the corpse is not moving tiles and bringing you along behind, so in effect it amounts more to "teleporting" a player's non-functioning place-holder one friggin' tile away. -- Amazing 06:33, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)"

That is grasping for straws if I ever heard it. C'mon. Be serious. By "moving players around" we both know I meant "causing the player to stand up at a location other than the one at which they died". Likewise, "without their consent" meant that "the player whose (corpse/dead body/placeholder/whatever you wish to term it) has been moved to a location without that person actively moving their character to that location". And, once again, dumping bodies is excluded because, really, we covered that already.
Personally, discussions are much easier for all involved when we use plain language. So, in plain language: how does this suggestion not amount to moving characters around without the player's consent?
As an extra bonus question: realistically, why would anyone ever use this skill? One square is such a minor difference that it is no difference. Sure, the zombie might have to expend an extra 1-2 AP to return, but the survivor spends a minimum of 3 AP to perform the task. Why would survivors, who have already been established to have the long-term AP disadvantage during a siege, make their disadvantage even larger?
Until next time, CMSSYA. Cheers. Bentley Foss 06:45, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)

"As always, a pleasure laughing at your self-righeous nature. Get over yourself, this is a Wiki for an online game and you're trying to pull some kind of holier-than-thou bullshit. Leave Suggestion discussion on the Suggestion & Suggestion Talk page and stop coming to my personal Talk page to try and garner more attention like a little lost puppy. All you do is ask for someone to talk to you "Hey you! Tell me why you did this! Explain it! You do know this, right?!" then you goad further discussion "That's grasping at straws! No way! CMSYMMKLE, LOL!11" because you have some sort of issues about attention - even negative. Find someone else to be needy around. -- Amazing 06:51, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)"

And, as always, it's a pleasure to attempt to hold a discussion with you and receive misdirection and insults instead of a discussion of the ideas. As you have not answered any of my actual questions, and as the suggestion is gone now anyway, I'm going to leave this one alone. Until our next fascinating conversation on the merits of a suggestion... Bentley Foss 18:10, 30 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Dredging Up Old Stuff From My Talk Page For No Apparent Reason

While we at the Bentley Foss Talk Page appreciate your enthusiasm, we are not soliciting any trolling on month-old comments at this time. Thank you. Bentley Foss 07:54, 12 Feb 2006 (GMT)

  • Since you seem mystified as to the reason for my post there, let me refer you to the first line. Read it and be enlightened! "Wow, didn't even notices[sic] you ladies were gossiping about me." Someone PKed me saying I was on a PK list, so I searched the wiki for "Amazing" among other terms and that popped up. Mystery solved, and you didn't even need a talking dog or Mystery Machine. -- Amazing 00:53, 13 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Peer Reviewed

You wrongly placed the Binoculars suggestion on the peer reviewd page. After doing the math i calculated a 54.8% keep total, and the required keep total is 66.6%, or 2/3rds. It has been moved to Undecided Suggestions. --Grim s 16:11, 14 Feb 2006 (GMT) My mistake. I misread the context. Feel free to move it back. --Grim s 18:10, 14 Feb 2006 (GMT)


Gave up so soon? =P --Lucero Capell 03:55, 24 February 2006 (GMT)

It's okay. Just admit it, you're upset that you were proved wrong and unable to prove otherwise. You're upset that, gosh darnit, your evil-type dastardly plan was averted by those rotten kids! Curse you, logic and facts! --Lucero Capell 04:26, 24 February 2006 (GMT)

Re: Vandal Banning

I'll just make a quick note, that we try to uphold the spirit of the rules, rather than the letter. We are well aware that there are many circumnstances where upholding the rules would not be in the spirit of what we were trying to achieve with the rules. Further, I'm not really concerned about precedent. I'll use it as a guide, sure, but I'm perfectly willing to rule differently if I feel that the current case deviates from the precedent, or hell, even if I decide that I didn't like the precedent I made last time. In short, Rules are not rules, and you will not force me into being a rules-lawyer.

Also, you need to re-check what vandalism means on this wiki, because it certainly doesn't mean what it means in the dictionary. Vandalism here is editing clearly not in good faith, ie deliberately meant to harm the target page instead of assisting it. The edits of Talk:Liberation of Crossman Department didn't look particularly like deliberately harming the target page, and looked much more like a conversational clean-up, which is pretty clearly in good faith. Now, you clearly disagree, and that's fine, but it seems that every Moderator that looked at that page agreed that there was no need for action, so even if it wasn't clearly a good edit, it's not clearly a bad edit either.

At any rate, you really need to calm down. I targeted you in particular with the "quiet you!" comment because frankly, you could have just walked away. You are not, under any circumnstances, forced to reply back to comments aimed your way, and frankly it seems to be a recurring pattern that while you may not start flame wars, you're certainly content to continue them, and that is something I'd like to see you change about your behaviour here.

You also seem to have this rather grating habit of, instead of dealing with issues yourself, to instead attempt to use the legislation currently available to force other people into trouble as a way of ending the argument. Frankly, it's really starting to piss me off, because you're constantly attempting to use technicalities as traps against other users, which concerns me because the rules are not meant for getting other people into trouble, they're meant to keep the wiki running smoothly, which very often your complaints don't do. They seem to be litigation for the sake of litigation.

Now that I've said this, I'm sure you will decide that my decisions cannot be taken seriously, as I'm clearly biased against you. I'm happy to let you decide this, though I'm sure from your perspective there's no Moderator here that isn't biased against you, and you may want to think about what that believe may actually mean. I hope you continue to make good edits on the wiki, and I am sorry that I had to rant to you about this in such a long-winded manner in order to make my points. You may feel free to delete this whenever you wish, as it is, of course, your talk page. -- Odd Starter talk | Mod | W! 23:52, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

This, folks, is what happens when you report vandalism? -- Amazing 00:06, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

Fun Game

Yea, seriously though, its gotta stop. Whenever I see you and maulmachine in the same conversation I curl up into the fetal position. --Zaruthustra-Mod 00:25, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

You kind of aggro drama. Its not that you look for trouble, but you certainly seem to find it. --Zaruthustra-Mod 01:12, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

On the policy page theres a discussion on whether PK lists should be allowed on the wiki. You might try to ressurect that. --Zaruthustra-Mod 01:26, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

And man, its the internet. The whole place is an is an inpenetrable wall of jungle noise, and you certainly can't trust the other monkeys to walk away. A fair amount of slapping is to be expected. --Zaruthustra-Mod 01:30, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

Re: Re: Vandal Banning

I don't balk at having to do things that I volunteered to do, but I balk at the way you seem to expect that just because you decide that it's wrong that there's no possible way it could not be wrong.

As for the technicalities of the issue, I believe it's established that Group pages are, in fact, owned by the group, and while the Talk pages haven't been firmly established, I don't think it's such a great leap to think that the Talk page of a Group is under that ownership, especially considering that so many groups use their Talk page as message boards (in the old form of the term).

If this is the case, then I would assume that if someone there representing the group makes widespread edits to the page, such as a discussion wipe, then I would assume that that action is quite legal under their ownership. Yes, it's not a User talk page, but it is a Group talk page, which I think can fairly be said to be owned by the Group in particular (note that I'm not happy about this, but that seems to be the way the dice have fallen). It's poor form, certainly, but there's nothing against it legislatively.

So, you are correct. I do not believe that Deleting entire conversations on a page that has no owner is not vandalism, however I do not believe that that talk page has no owner. Further, if you truly believed that the conversation was worth continuing, and that you wished to have a viewable copy, there were many other alternatives that you could have pursued, such as placing the discussion on a subpage of your talk page, or even a sub-page of their talk page. It's just a conversation, does it really matter where the conversation is being stored? Or is it vitally important that the discussion remained where the group didn't want it?

As for walking away, one of you has to. Why can't it be you? Sure, I could talk to the others, and hell, if you really want me to be consistent about it, I'll be happy to point it out to them, but honestly I've never seen a flame war with you involved where you've been content not to have the last word (although I'll be happy to see you point me to a flame war where this is not the case). Also, considering you're the only person on your side, I figured that focusing my attention on you might be more efficient than trying to talk to 4-5 other people. -- Odd Starter talk | Mod | W! 00:32, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

Re: Re: Re: Vandal Banning

I believe you are pulling the old "False Analogy" trick. The Suggestions page is not owned. If the page is owned, and you wish to perform acts that the owners do not wish you to perform, in that case it would be better to move your activities to another page that is not owned by them. This, to me, seems reasonably obvious, but clearly it is not.

Now, after this point I had a great deal to say about you, but I've decided that right now is probably not the time, and I've happily excised it from this. I clearly was getting caught up in the moment, and continuing a conversation which I now realise I'm only continuing because I want to beat you in conversational combat, so I'm going to terminate all the other threads of this conversation and focus solely on the Vandal Banning request. In light of that request, I note that your base assumption, that Group talk pages are not owned, is incorrect, and thus your argument is not valid, and that the LCD had every right to wipe their talk page. If you feel that their archive is inadequate, I note that you have all the tools you need to rectify this, and I'm sure the LCD would be more than happy for you to help them in that regard, as that's clearly an edit in good faith. -- Odd Starter talk | Mod | W!

An apology

You know, going through a whole bunch of stuff, I've come to the realisation that yeah, I've been pretty rough on you, for perhaps more a preconception rather than any real reality. I realise that I've been throwing an image on you that frankly wasn't deserved, and that I've been unfairly targetting you for behaviour modification when it's not really you that's pushing this. For these things, I offer my apologies, for what it's worth, and I promise that, should you bring further issues to my attention, I will endeavour to investigate more thoroughly, instead of fobbing you off.

I still believe that my previous ruling was correct, and that your Vandalism report was not vandalism, but I recognise that I perhaps made a rather stupid mistake in how I reacted to you about it. I am truly sorry that you have faced the brunt of all this, and I'm sorry if I've baited you. To be honest, I have no real reasons as to why I've been so brusque with you, My only possible reason may be that the first few times I dealt with a request from you, you seemed rather unreasonable (and that, looking back, it may have been justified).

So, again, I apologise for being a dick towards you, and I will make all possible attempts to rectify this in future dealings with you. -- Odd Starter talk | Mod | W! 01:43, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

RE: Sorry, no.

Deletion of an NPOV section is bad form. Consider editing it instead. --Lucero Capell 22:23, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Consider posting NPOV material. -- Amazing 22:29, 28 February 2006 (GMT)
Tell you what. To prevent this spiralling out of control like it did last time, how about you make a NPOV section and we'll go from there? --Lucero Capell 22:38, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Moved April 07

I was thinking of opening a Mczeds in Lockettside when i return there from giddings mall. get back to me on my talk page about it --Dark Wingstalker 22:18, 5 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Re. to the message left on my talk page

are you askin for me to be the arbituator. if so then yes i will accept.--Deathnut STRIKE!|RAF|W! 05:32, 3 April 2006 (BST)

McZeds Restaurant

Love the page. I've got a logo here[1], and a poster [2]here if you're interested, if not, it's no bother.--WibbleBRAINS 19:45, 30 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Stanbury Village would love to have a McZeds open up there. Think you can do it? Saromu 15:57, 21 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Actually I see that you're opening up one in Ridleybank. The competition between the two would be bad for business. Might I suggest one in Pitneybank? There's plenty of dead zombies in the Giddings-Creedy area. Saromu 16:11, 22 Jan 2006 (GMT)
Saromu again. How about one in Pitneybank? I'd love to open one up right near Giddings Mall. How's that sound? Saromu 23:32, 26 Jan 2006 (GMT)
Ok, I'm getting a location set up and hiring staff. When I get it all finished up I'll put it on the Wiki page. Glad to do business with you. Saromu 02:15, 27 Jan 2006 (GMT)

We at Ultimex Corp. applaud your ingenious use of the current apocalypse to turn a profit. We also believe that zombies are the new resource of the future, as such I would like to extend an alliance to you. Together, Malton's companies could own the new labor/food/retail/pet/fashion industries opened to us by zombies. What do you say? --Arcos, owner of Ultimex Corp. 03:48, 4 Feb 2006 (GMT)

F.R.E.E.Z.E. is interested in franchising opportunities in Roywood. Have left application in the "Franchise Opportunities" section of McZeds group discussion page. We hope to have it up and running by the end of the week. Hopefully the bureaucracy involved in franchising wont delay the delicious food choices to Roywood denizens for any longer than necessary. --Firemanstan 18:44, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

  • Cool - We were just waiting for approval from you guys at McZeds. I'll edit the page and add in our location and information. --Firemanstan 18:58, 7 March 2006 (GMT)


Hey, since you seem to be the wiki representative of the Crossman Defence Force, can you give me some information on the recent PK attacks? Those Imperial Marine guys said they would "see me at Nurten" when they killed my alt, and I've recently heard of some people impersonating CoL (not sure whether it's new or old yet) members and PKing people, probably in an effort to re-inflame all the tension that used to exist between the two groups. If you hear of any of these guys, or know where they are now, can you let me know? Thanks. --LibrarianBrent 07:56, 1 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Discussion for Suggestion Alterations

  • I have restarted discussion on suggestion alterations. Lets work on getting something established, and added to the rules - so all of us 'usual voters' can be on the same page with this issue. --Blahblahblah 18:27, 6 Feb 2006 (GMT)


Scinfaxi killed me a few times and is the reason I haven't been staying in Caiger Mall. He also deleted his special space on the Caiger Mall Survivor PK list, the crafty bastard. He said he wanted to PK me, me specifically, because I am an "Internet Beardo and a pompous douche" and if he PKs me enough in game, "maybe I will kill myself in real life." You can get the exact quote if you look at the history of the Channel 4 News Team page. I have no idea what he has against me or where he came from. Chances are, he's just a hostile Internet person. Of course, his actions make him a Pervert and an employee of Wes Mantooth in the eyes of the Channel 4 News Team- and that's not to be taken lightly! So put him under the knife! Meet him in Glorious Battle! Odin be with you and remember that you shall always be a friend of the Channel 4 News Team.

Fantastic! May Odin look after you and yours. Now you stay Classy, Amazing. --Ron Burgundy 03:31, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

Re: Stuff

This will sound all limp-wristed and stuff, but if it's just standard internet drama bullshit, why the hell do you keep responding to it? Internet drama feeds on feedback, killing it would seem to be as simple as treating everything they say with the utmost politeness and keeping the upper hand.

It's just as narky, but it's at least a more frustrating narky to the other side. I know, I play that game often :) -- Odd Starter talk | Mod | W! 06:17, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

The question is not one of "turn the other cheek and let them spank me", it's "Do as they wish, I'll just remove it without comment, or be exceedingly polite back when I reply". You can keep your reputation and not go on the nark back to them. People eventually get bored and leave, if you do it long enough. Going aggro at them is just an incentive for them to keep whacking you. (Any replies will have to wait a few hours, as I have club meetings to attend). -- Odd Starter talk | Mod | W! 06:32, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

Just a note from me

Not that I have to justify this but here you go. Yes I do know Cortonna in real life,we are actually best friends and we are from the same country,seven years in the same school together. That will maybe(or maybe not) explain why we type simililar. Second the name Cortonna comes from the game Halo(if you dont know) and the protagonist's name there is John.My UD name is from completely different place("Starship Troopers" the movie).Cortonna in real life is male but she wanted to have a female character in UD and that is why sometimes there are variations between she/he. I respect her wish and that is why I adress her in female gender (while others dont).And yes she didnt have internet at that time and she simply spoke with me hence I created the LCD page FOR her.I think I responded to everything you said.Just wanted to clear some stuff. --Johnny Rico 14:33, 8 March 2006 (GMT)

Hahah Johnny za6to si gubish vremeto da obejdavash jalki glupaci? Ostavi go da si tune v tinqta v koqto sam se e zarovil! S drugi dumi ostavi go da si duha toi i negovite neshtastni lameta ot CDF. --DarthRevan 16:44, 11 March 2006 (GMT)

Fools, eh? Don't you think that assuming you have some secret language is even more foolish? -- Amazing 17:59, 11 March 2006 (GMT)

Amazing you are even a bigger fool.Apparently you havent thought that maybe me and Johnny are from the same country. --DarthRevan 20:55, 14 March 2006 (GMT)

Than translate it oh "mighty" one.I am waiting.Hah we will feel the might of CDF "Strike Team".You seem to forget that before we settled in one place we were a strike team.We have a lot more experience than your pathetic little team consisting of noobs ever will.And speaking about numbers we are 51 you are 37.What else is to say.Save your threats for someone who is going to buy them. --DarthRevan 10:20, 15 March 2006 (GMT)

Amazing,naistina ne e sekreten ezik.Nadqvam se da go prevedesh,vinagi e priqtno da imash vuzmojnosta da govorish na nativniq si ezik.Priqtna mi e misulta che nqkoi me razbira,a i ne sum si govoril ezika ot dosta vreme.Ta chakam otgovor dano se spravish sus zadachata. :) --DarthRevan 13:17, 15 March 2006 (GMT) --DarthRevan 13:14, 15 March 2006 (GMT)

I think I should remind you against what odds we fought - RRF.We were 20 people there at Ridleybank during our first assault and our goal wasnt to win,as we both know that is impossible.We wanted to pull them away from Caiger so we can help the survivors there.And we did.Yes the Gingers did help us but we also took many zeds with us and we fought till every single LCD was dead.We helped many times Yagoton,YRC and the Abandoned can support us on that.We helped the Millen Hills survivors against the Undying Scourge.We helped the hospitals there in Darvall with you guys together.We held a united front against RRF.Whatever battle LCD held win or lose we fought till every single one of us was dead.After that we returned in our old home Darvall.Look am I tired of waging war of words and snaps with you and the rest of the CDF.Zod and I are trying to establish at least neutrality between CDF/LCD.And he is not a simple member of CDF he is in the Tribunal.Dont understand this wrongly I aint undermining your position I am just saying he has as much power as you according to your form of leadership.So stop undermining both me and Zod efforts.That is all I wanted to say. --DarthRevan 18:16, 15 March 2006 (GMT)


Please stop it already with your vendetta against MaulMachine. We don't need it cluttering up our wiki. Stop it on Vandal Banning and everywhere else too.--'STER-Talk-Mod 02:02, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

RE: The warning to Maul was made as a mod; the insult to you was made as a simple user. And would you prefer I used a more modern term? I could call you an asshat if you like.--'STER-Talk-Mod 03:20, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

Note: 'STER will be up for Mod Misconduct soon enough. -- Amazing 20:50, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

RE: You seem to be mistaken about my motives. I am not as e-penis obsessed as you appear to be; I insulted you on MaulMachine's talk page to make a point to him, and here merely because you requested that I do so. Insults have even less point over the Internet than they do in real life, and I have neither need nor desire to trade them with you. If you truly believe I have acted in a manner unbefitting a moderator, then I encourage you to say so on the Misconduct page as you have stated you will. I am confident in the result of such an action.--'STER-Talk-Mod 00:11, 14 March 2006 (GMT)

RE: The "mitigating circumstances" thing on Maul's page was to explain why I wasn't banning him, since if he had made a full-on offense without any ambiguity by the scale he'd be on his second ban. You would have been warned for an actual offense, so since I was in fact warning you I figured some imaginary future editor wouldn't need an explanation why you were being warned rather than something else. Also, I'm very pleased your contact with me was so life-changing for you that you felt the need to mention it at the top of your User page; it's very gratifying that my actions on the wiki are seen as that important.--'STER-Talk-Mod 23:00, 14 March 2006 (GMT)

Arbitration decision

I have desided that 'STER is to say sorry for calling you an asshat. But you are not to touch the vandel report page again. --ramby T--W! - SGP 05:06, 14 March 2006 (GMT)

you should have thought of that before you failed to double check on what you were reporting. Tnere is no second chance here. You asked for arbitration and you got the decision. - --ramby T--W! - SGP 05:14, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
I still think that you should have kept up on what you were reporting. you do have a tendancy to become agitated easily. I was abit irrational so I do apologize. --ramby T--W! - SGP 05:29, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
I can personaly relate to that but you know what they say abotu assuming. "When you assume; you make an ass out of you and me.". Also, shoud I just leave this here or delete it? --ramby T--W! - SGP 05:44, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
I apologize for the first decision. That one just made me look like an asshat. --ramby T--W! - SGP 05:59, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
Also, not to be an arse, but could you tell me how to do an archive? I want to get rid of all that crap on my talk page but not lose it. - --ramby T--W! - SGP 06:10, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
Thank you. I hope you do not have too much problems for 1 month. - --ramby T--W! - SGP 06:16, 14 March 2006 (GMT)

Alright. In accordance with the arbitration decision, Amazing: I am sorry for insulting you. The moderator's job is to be impartial and not let their emotions interfere with their job, and I failed to do this. It will not happen again.--'STER-Talk-Mod 23:28, 14 March 2006 (GMT)


Amazing, please do not change other user's comments on talk pages, as it is considered an act of vandalism under the impersonation clause. If you continue, your editing priveliges will be revoked. -- Odd Starter talkModW! 06:27, 15 March 2006 (GMT)

I think you'll find that impersonation is a tad broader than that. Impersonation includes any bad-faith editing of comments not of the editor (If this wasn't the case, a person could change the user tag to something just different enough to be able to claim they're not impersonating, but still changing the comments themselves however they wish). You were still bad-faith editing Scinfaxi's comments, even if you're changing the tags. -- Odd Starter talkModW! 07:17, 15 March 2006 (GMT)

Note: Not the first time a Moderator has set off on the wrong course of thought. Nor shall it be the last, I fear. -- Amazing 05:56, 20 March 2006 (GMT)


I guess you seem to be speaking against the LCD, but why does everyone say, "With a grain of salt". Is it a British figure of speech?--Duce Nauks 21:15, 23 March 2006 (GMT)

P.S. - Nice suggestions.

I support you as an arbitrator, and am voting on your side.

Also, (sorry it took so long to get back to you on this, i marked the page on my watchlist, not the talk section) you can go ahead and throw those names on the Imperial WANTED list. I wrote where to put them in the talk section--Duce Nauks 00:23, 4 April 2006 (BST)

Well, Freedom of speech lost out this time. If you still want to post those names, the New page is IWM WANTED. On the Deletions page they said they would make one, and Another page was falsified by someone, Imperial War Machine/WANTED, but I took care of that page, so don't bother lookin into it.--Duce Nauks 21:19, 5 April 2006 (BST)

I'm an arbitrator now . . . yay.


Sorry about the way I did it, I was making a blanket cleanup of the page, and as such felt it best to just keep currently 'active' groups there and let the 'inactive' groups re-add their groups later. In the future, I will try to give notice prior to doing so. Sorry for any inconvenience.

--John Rove 02:49, 25 March 2006 (GMT)

What did I do?

Seriously, Amazing this is me, Vista. When have I ever said anything 'troll' like? or even said anything nasty about you? I think this is about novelty, right? Because that is the only time I ever came close to the problems you and maul-machine have. In no way or shape did I insinuate that anything about who is in the right or in the wrong. And to be honest, why would I care? both your problems wich each other don't consern me, I have little dealings with either of you. I only see you guys on the suggestion page. (haven't seen any new suggestions of you lately, have any in the pipeline? You didn't always hit the nail on the head, but when you did, you did. -any way back to the topic-) without saying anything about the validilaty of the complaints. I haven't even looked into the matters enough to make that kind of judgement call and I trust the moderators to make fair rulings. It's their job, not mine. So I don't care about the troubles you or maulmachine have seriously, again, why would I?

Seriously, re-read it because I think your insults on my talk page were made in haste, I just said that you and maul-machine have a big problem with each other, and as it's been fought out quite publicly, thats no secret. And that you report a lot of vandalism, again no secret. Both statement were made without any judgement behind it. All that I did when I congratulated him was poke a bit of fun that within half a day of his promotion somebody is asking for his rulings already. Don't have such a thin skin and read things into comments that just aren't there. I never had I have no problems with you, I don't want problems with you. and I don't want you to have problems with me. I'd rather just get along with you, without any name calling.

--Vista W! 22:08, 26 March 2006 (BST)

Amazing, reread both my orginal comment to novelty and my respone to your comment. In no way, shape or form did I at any moment say that the moderators should ignore vandalism. never have I stated any partialaty in the feud between you and maul-machine, or the trouble you have with other users. When you had that thing with some of the WCDZ I tried to calm things down on the WCDZ side. For you to lump me in with some group that is out to make your life difficult is both silly and besides the truth. I have stated that sometimes I find your behavior a bit counter-productive but, and this is important, that says nothing about my stance about who is in the right or the wrong in all this. I leave that to the moderators and I believe they usually agree with your side of the story. To repeat what, is business is it of mine? It is not my business, I never made it my business, I don't want it to be my business. I never interfered between the both of you, I never impeded your abilty to report vandalism, And, most of all, I don't belong to some secret cabal trying to make your life difficult. I just disagreed with some sometimes about what is the wisest course of action, and I made a rather light and non-abusive joke, you somehow took to mean that I am 'against you'. I'll repeat again I never had problems with you, I don't have one now, I don't want problems with you. and I don't want you to have problems with me. It's an *bleeping* internet wiki, It not important enough to have problems over. Lets just get along...--Vista W! 11:54, 27 March 2006 (BST)

Lets try this one last time,

Is it annoying to have somebody delete your comments? Yes Is it right to report that person? Yes good that out of the way.

Now for the next part,

Should the moderators act on that report and take that report seriously? Yes Should the moderators and every other user take you seriously? Depends on how you act making that report. Did I take you seriously? No when you make a joke you don't take the subject seriously, otherwise it wouldn't be a joke. Was I right to make that joke? The joke was light of tone and non-abusive, It played on the rather heavy tone and forcefull way you make your vandalism reports, WITHOUT invalidating them. I make that kind of joke a lot with friends and co-workers as they do with me. I've made that kind of joke about wiki-users as they have with me. Never has that resulted in hurt feeling before, I'm sorry that you took it so bad, but I'm not quite sure I'm at fault here. We're in a public place, You are a public figure, my joke wasn't excessive and not behind your back. And I'll use the same ending I used the previous time, I didn't have a problem with you, I still don't have a problem with you, And I'm sorry that you have a problem with me. --Vista W! 20:22, 28 March 2006 (BST)

Simple I went to congratulate him because he was promoted, I did so with a joke about the increased workload he would have as a mod, It featured the person who made a report to him before nov would have even know that he was a mod as an example of it. Sorry to say Amazing but you figured only in the sidelines in all this. If it was Grim who made the report (as another person who frequently reports on the vandal banning page) it would have figured grim in slightly different wording. again it never invalidated the fact that vandalism could or has occured, only that you report a lot. Anyway I gave more then enough time to this again I still don't have a problem with you, and if you continue to insist having a problem with me, I can't stop you.--Vista W! 08:20, 29 March 2006 (BST)

Sacred Ground

The DEM has been a long time supported of the Sacred Ground Policy (we even have a tag or two for it in our internal FAQ). Recently we set up a category for the DEM, under which are a number of non-group pages, including a couple pages for public policies we wrote. I would like to include the Sacred Ground Policy in that collection, as one of the policies we officially support and encourage. As I point out in the category description itself, this in no way means the DEM would assume it has any rights or control over the Sacred Ground Policy. If either of use ever changed our minds about the association, for whatever reason, we just remove the category link.

No, I have no intentions of moving it, or of doing any more editing than I'd done in the past. I've added the category notation to the page. Many thanks! --Gilant 17:20, 28 March 2006 (BST)

CMS Call to Arms

I added the text to the page to remind people that the call is currently out-of-date, as TSO has already moved on. The 17 hour occupation is evidence that your group is neither organized nor large enough to be considered able to defend anything, much less the Police Department that is your home. An interruption would be a moment of having the entirety of the zombie mob barricaded out, which your group was sadly unable to provide. TSO would like to note that we would enjoy CDF becoming a credible and accomplished group that actually provides a challenge in the future. Currently, however, I plan on editing all text tommorrow that is neither informative nor professional, such as your responses, as they add nothing to the wiki. You however can accomplish something noteworthy by editing your needless text yourself. --Karlsbad 21:52, 1 April 2006 (BST)

Listen, man. Your group did nothing - and proved nothing. Our ranks were under massive griefer attacks from a PK group that was keeping us all (every last one of us) dead through what we assume to be mostly alts.
Do - Not - Edit - My - Text - Again - Or you will be reported for vandalism. -- Amazing 22:19, 1 April 2006 (BST)
I reserve the right to add editorial notes that state that the text is replying to an 'older' version of the message. Furthermore, Any text that is both useless and unprofessional will be edited by any and all users that find it unfitting to be on the wiki, no matter who is considered the proginator of it. No wiki article needs such bland and pithy comments that you provided.
Secondly; our group did exactly what it planned to do- it ate everyone in your police department. Any issues you have with dipolmicy regarding other groups is not of our concern. The fact remains that we occupied your Police Department for a period of time of 17 hours, more if you do not count the time taken to eat resting players. If you find your group unable to defend the land they call their home, it would be most precise to remand your group page to include notes that you reserve the right to be completely ineffective in the game, and all prospective members would be best served hiding in Caiger.--Karlsbad 22:30, 1 April 2006 (BST)
You actually have no right to edit the words of one user because you don't like them or they're aligned with a group that drove you away. Check up on rulings to inform yourself as to the spirit and nature of this Wiki's rules. You'd be comitting straight-out vandalism. -- Amazing 22:40, 1 April 2006 (BST)

Deletion Policy

You really don't want to be a mod, do you? The deletion page specifically requests that the information be left on the page so people can properly judge whether it should be deleted. Not that hard to understand. --Lucero Capell 06:24, 2 April 2006 (BST)

Who created the page is irrelevant at this point. Plus, I'm not sure less than 24 hours qualifies as "a long time ago". You blanked the page, Amazing. The point of a deletion request is to allow the wiki community to judge the page on its merits. When you blank the page, you inherently invalidate any of those merits. It is not fair to allow someone to blank the page. Please, it's not going to hurt you to leave the redirect, at least until the deletion request is fulfilled. Stop playing around and disrespecting wiki rules. --Lucero Capell 06:35, 2 April 2006 (BST)

A link for ya

Strike for Mia Thought you might be interested. Cheers! -Nubis 07:37, 2 April 2006 (BST)


And who is the guy? --DarthRevan 20:21, 2 April 2006 (BST) Oh and to add up: CDF were attacked by CotR ? Because there were CotR members hanging around in Roywood and killing some of us too. --DarthRevan 20:30, 2 April 2006 (BST)

Something funny we both died exactly 50 times. --DarthRevan 11:28, 3 April 2006 (BST)

Re: GANKBUS Griefing

Regardless of where else the information exists, deleting active discussions on a public talk page is vandalism. I know you don't like it, but that's how it goes. --Lucero Capell 23:03, 3 April 2006 (BST)

Amazing should not yada yada

I was well aware of this page minutes after its creation. If you read my reply on the UDWiki talk:Moderation/Arbitration page and in the UDWiki:Moderation/Deletions page, you will see that i think that this page should be deleted and you should keep your Arbitration status. But they have the right to conplain, just like i did during the On Strike period. I believe no mod will ever remove your arbitration status, so you can relax on this and just take a big laugh at this whole situation --hagnat talk 03:19, 4 April 2006 (BST)

Yes. Yes. No mod made a resolution about that yet. But i believe as soon someone read that, that page will be erased. And we can do nothing against in game behavior. --hagnat talk 03:24, 4 April 2006 (BST)
About that. They are free to place any POV on their own pages. Since they are stating they "believe" you have done wrong. Anyway, when will you ask for the same ruling as Amazing vs. Daxx and get rid of all Amazing hate talk from the gankbus page ? The same way you did against the WCDZ in the past. --hagnat talk 03:31, 4 April 2006 (BST)
I am well aware of that too. Thing is, you need two things now: first, to quit editing and reverting the gankbus page. Leave it as it is, since you will only draw MORE attention to that page if you keep it on a revert war. Second, get a moderation to rule on the gankbus case, since ordinary arbitrators couldnt find a way to solve things peacefuly. You have reached the point of 'ow, i need help' a long time ago. If you asked a mod to rule this i believe this could be over weeks ago. --hagnat talk 03:46, 4 April 2006 (BST)
What part of quit editing the gankbus page didnt you understand ? My english can be poor sometimes, but sheesh... you are not making things easier you know ? --hagnat talk 05:00, 4 April 2006 (BST)
I am just a regular user outside the arbitration page. The above is not an order, but a sugestion on how you should behave in order to let this gankbus things die. I have done whatever i can to let this thing fade, it is your time now --hagnat talk 05:08, 4 April 2006 (BST)
Think. The more YOU edit their pages, the more things THEY have to add to that same page. And as they add and you remove, the Gankbus page remains on everybody attention in the Recent Changes page. How do you think i get to know about that page ? Perhaps because there was ~10 edits in a row to it, some from you, some from them. Let things be the way they want, and the page will surely die. --hagnat talk 19:01, 4 April 2006 (BST)

I have contacted the Zaruthustra on this matter, hopefully he will sort it out.--The General 19:47, 4 April 2006 (BST)

He. Support my power grabTM and i will handle this asap. --hagnat talk 23:03, 5 April 2006 (BST)

My run for Mod

Don't worry, I'm not offended or anything. And yes, it is mutual. Happy to be in agreement ;) --Mia Kristos 23:53, 5 April 2006 (BST)

Arbitration Page

Not if it can be reasonably avoided. --Zaruthustra-Mod 00:00, 6 April 2006 (BST)

Mods don't really have anything to do with the arbitration page in most cases. Thats the point. --Zaruthustra-Mod 01:33, 6 April 2006 (BST)

Yea, that dudes a jerk. I don't go to arbitration because theres about 10 non moderator people who are happy to do it, my name is just up there so I can be contacted if people request me. But you could draft up a proposal to dock my pay if you want. --Zaruthustra-Mod 03:16, 6 April 2006 (BST)

Oh, I didn't see that the general called me in there. I guess I gotta step up then. Oh god... look at all those pages of text... --Zaruthustra-Mod 03:18, 6 April 2006 (BST)

And I just finished reading it too.... I swear, one day your arbitration cases will surpass the combined works of dostoyevsky. Glad everything worked out though. I would have gotten to that except the gen put it under another person's conversation and I didn't notice it. --Zaruthustra-Mod 03:31, 6 April 2006 (BST)

Re: F*** You

No thanks, I'm full. On a side note, you really need to learn to curb that temper. You're lucky the mods here are somewhat reasonable. Several places I've been to would have banned you a long time ago for whatever reason they could find, simply because you would have annoyed them. If I were you, I'd retract those comments you made. But, alas, it IS your choice. I'm just trying to help you avoid all the useless flamming you get. --Mia Kristos 02:50, 7 April 2006 (BST)


I just saw your comment on Kevan's page. Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please learn to curb your temper. And reply here, not on my talk page. --Mia Kristos 07:34, 8 April 2006 (BST)

Bah. Curbing my temper just means curbing what I want to say. Doing that didn't help in the past so, as I've said before, why go back, y'dig? *shrug* -- Amazing 18:14, 8 April 2006 (BST)
Didn't we go through this? This wiki isn't for your drama; it doesn't need it. Look, how about you go back to where we argued it here, and observe how you responded. Obviously you've forgotten your lesson, so try again. --Karlsbad 22:46, 8 April 2006 (BST)
The wiki isn't the place for your trolling, childish, parasitic behavior. -- Amazing 23:15, 8 April 2006 (BST)
And when it comes down to it, I will now stop responding to you. If I continue to try and work with you, it gets ugly- you can apply fault equally, or not, its the reader's decision. Therefore, I will commence only attempting to speak of the issues that apply only, rather than add responses to personal issues and replies that you have. In all honesty, I should have made this discovery before; I have to thank Conndraka for it. --Karlsbad 01:11, 9 April 2006 (BST)
Blah blah blah, You're hoping to kill everything with a ton of meaningless satements. Basically, you say "work with you" when really you're simply jumping into arguement/discussion to flame and troll. I guess maybe that's how you "work with" people. -- Amazing 03:54, 9 April 2006 (BST)

Re:Image Deletion

Actually, Amazing, the actual text reads: "You must also check the box affirming that you are not violating any copyrights by uploading the file," nothing referencing being owner of the copyright. You uploaded the image yourself, certifying that it was without copyrights. If it is indeed copyrighted, you must remove the original image as well. As soon as it enters the wiki, it is considered fair use. --Lucero Capell 00:02, 8 April 2006 (BST)

I think Zaruthustra said it better and more concisely. --Lucero Capell 00:19, 8 April 2006 (BST)
Just doing some quick internets research. Parody and satire are considered fair use under US law, according to Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc.. --Lucero Capell 00:28, 8 April 2006 (BST)

"This page is for the request of page deletions within the Urban Dead wiki. Due to concerns about loss of data, the ability to delete pages is restricted to the Moderators. As such, regular users will need to request a deletion from the Moderators." I don't want to spam up Odd's talk page, so here's the text against you. There needed to be a request from a regular user, and there was none, making the deletions illegal. I really don't want to have to keep arguing this. The images aren't even needed anymore, as you aren't a mod. They'll probably be put up for deletion in a while, since there's no real purpose for them now. --TheTeeHeeMonster 02:31, 8 April 2006 (BST)

Amazing, it still states that there needs to be a request from an ordinary user. Can we please drop this already? By the wiki rules, you weren't supposed to be a mod anyway. Even Odd admitted it, and he wrote the rules. --TheTeeHeeMonster 02:39, 8 April 2006 (BST)

Note: The above is not true. -- Amazing 07:23, 8 April 2006 (BST)

Legal Issues nonwithstanding, it would have been more polite to drop the image if he requested it. Simply put since it is his image, the courteous thing to do would be to delete it since it is his and refrain from doing similar things. --Prosperina 04:21 13 April 2006 (BST)
Not sure if that's to me or to the person who uploaded my art with a line through it. -- Amazing 04:24, 13 April 2006 (BST)
Both, though you had the power of a mod then. This might have been easily avoided if you first asked and explained the situation. However he in turn would be obligated to take it down.From what I understand whoever put up the image wasn't even aware that it was copyrighted. If he had not, then you could have proceeded. My apologizes if this is what actually happened, but from my current understanding it wasn't. --Prosperina 04:37 13 April 2006 (BST)
Well, the image was labelled as such in both places he could have found it - but that doesn't mean he read the disclaimers. :\ Furthermore this particular person would have laughed in my face if I had asked and posted: "Amazing is so lame that he begged me to..." etc. etc., that's just who he is. -- Amazing 04:49, 13 April 2006 (BST)
Maybe so and maybe not, frankly I'm not aware of who did it. And if he had done that he would have just exposed himself as an utter jerk and it would have been he and not you who would be currently vilified. By going about it as you did it only provided more ammo against you.--Prosperina 04:37 13 April 2006 (BST)
Yeah, I understand what you're saying. This particular guy has proven himself a fool time and again.. and he just keeps doing it. Really, there's nothing I can do except speak out and take action - or sit back and let people walk all over me. Lord knows I'm trying to bite my tongue more often, but I'm not going to bite it off. -- Amazing 06:12, 13 April 2006 (BST)
Its not a matter of letting them walk over you, its a matter of picking and chosing your battles. I suggest ignoring what is placed on other people's user pages. People will always talk so let them talk. It is merely air, or in this case mere pixels. It is a fool's perogative to speak things no one else will utter but in the end the emperor is the emperor and the fool is the fool. --Prosperina 01:37 14 April 2006 (BST)
I don't particularly appreciate the fact that I constantly get trolled and harassed, and everyone tells me to let it go every single time. When does anyone say something to the abusors? -- Amazing 02:34, 14 April 2006 (BST)
The abusers do that mostly for attention so they can feel good about themselves becuase they got you riled up. It's frustrating but you can't convince trolls to stop their trolling by doing the same thing they do. Instead watch and wait, they'll do the work for you, if they are truly trolling they will not need you to make an ass out of themselves. At this point, trollers and victims have interchanged places enough that there is no clear cut line between who is right and who is wrong. The best thing for all is to simply let the situation go. If it starts afresh, you can then judge and act but acting recklessly will merely perpetuate this cycle. --Prosperina 02:47 14 April 2006 (BST)
Yeah, I've been using the internet for about ten years. I do know what's what. That said, this is a 'forum' that does not favor the 'victim' as you put it. I've been through this a million times and frankly I know the right and wrong of it and my actions are my actions. -- Amazing 04:22, 14 April 2006 (BST)
Alright then, its not the worst I've seen. So I think its a bit of a fallacy to use a blanket statement like that. But of course, that's my perception and you are entitled to yours as well. My apologizes if I came off patronizing because that's not my intention. You've been on the internet for 10 years so you probably know what techniques work and do not work for getting people to understand your point of view. --Prosperina 04:30 14 April 2006 (BST)
People who are capable of really hearing it, yes. -- Amazing 04:57, 14 April 2006 (BST)
But isn't that all part of it? Heck, its like the salesmen say, its all in the presentation. And sometimes that means taking the higher ground and just be confident in your stance. You can't fight every battle otherwise your voice just becomes a cacophany of sound and no one will listen then. To make them willing to listen and not just hear, you gotta make it acceptable to their ears.--Prosperina 05:59 14 April 2006 (BST)

Hey there, I though that our groups might as well be allied. I thought, Hell, why not?--Duce Nauks 22:59, 8 April 2006 (BST)

Professional Comic Writer

Um, I'm going to turn beet-red when I hit "Save Page", but since you blocked me from your IMs, I have little choice. Would you mind providing some kind of link to that comic you write? ...What? I AM a fan of the arts.... --Mia K (sotss) 05:46, 12 April 2006 (BST)

Well.. I kinda held off on posting about that for a while because I'm not really sure how far people will go. Will someone on here call my publisher and complain? I'm very new there, doing work-for-hire, so I'm low man on the totem pole. I don't really want anyone contacting them. That said, I'll think about sending it to you privately. (I dunno why I'm even thinking of bothering, to be honest. In another bout of honesty, I assume this is to prove I don't actually write a comic. lol.) -- Amazing 05:55, 12 April 2006 (BST)
I'll be waiting. --Mia K (sotss) 06:09, 12 April 2006 (BST)
Well now I'm worried. -- Amazing 06:12, 12 April 2006 (BST)
I've decided I value my job more than I value any given Wiki-goer's opinion of me. Go ahead and say I "zomg don't rite a komic" - I'd prefer to keep my paycheck safe, I've worked too hard to break into the industry. That said, I wouldn't rule out my posting it once I've signed a contract that lasts more than an issue-by-issue basis. -- Amazing 18:59, 12 April 2006 (BST)
Well, that seems a little bit paranoid to me, but I guess I can unsrestand where you're comming from. Good luck on it. --Mia K (sotss) 15:45, 14 April 2006 (BST)
Only seems paranoid when one doesn't look at the history. -- Amazing 23:53, 14 April 2006 (BST)


It seems though she wants 'private conversation'. Mosy likely because she wants to be nasty on the Wiki, then butter me up again in private so she seems okay on all fronts. Why else would she need to make sure no one else saw what she said to me?

You would fall for something so obvious? *shrug* Why don't you unblock me and find out? --Mia K (sotss) 03:08, 12 April 2006 (BST)
So let me get this straight. You tell me to stop posting in your talk page because I'm harassing you (ZOMG!!) then you want me to unblock you on AIM so you can talk to me. Put yourself in my place. Let's say I was doing that to you. Why would you listen to me?
At this point I fully expect you to "make nice" with me, MAYBE remove what you've said about me - then do it all again in like 2 days. (that is IF I unblocked you, of course.) -- Amazing 03:11, 12 April 2006 (BST)
You asked a question, I gave an answer. I figure other people can answer too. As for me being you, I've only permablocked repeat offenders. You'll notice I haven't blocked you. I suppose I'm still giving you that chance. You see, I honestly thought you were okay for awhile. Yeah, I don't get it either. I MUST be crazy. And please learn to use the bloody preview button. --Mia K (sotss) 03:16, 12 April 2006 (BST)
Preview buttons are the work of the Devil. You preview, you rework, you edit, and someone's made a comment and you have to go back, copy, paste, resubmit, etc. I don't really feel compelled to put myself out to keep people attacking me from putting themselves out. That's just me. Also, I don't need any chances from you or anyone like you. "Proving" yourself to be a good person or what have you kinda defeats the purpose of being a good person. I don't have to prove anything about my life or my worth to anyone else. I'd appreciate if you'd actually just leave me alone. Take the AIM blocking as a little hint. You're a repeat offender. -- Amazing 03:20, 12 April 2006 (BST)
Well if you really don't want to talk to me that bad, okay. --Mia K (sotss) 03:24, 12 April 2006 (BST)
Relief. Now if only the entire handful of people who antagonize me could be dissuaded. Hmm. Any takers? -- Amazing 03:28, 12 April 2006 (BST)

Re:==You're my hero==

No, I didn't say your art sucks. In fact, to the contrary, as far as pixel art goes, it's fairly good. I just said it was funny. As for Rasher, well, any way it can help. It'd be pretty nifty if I can label and sell it as a diet plan. You could even make the logo! --Lucero Capell 00:00, 17 April 2006 (BST)

The AmazingBot (copyrighted! trademarked! any unfair use and ill sue!) predicted you would say I was fat...I'm just surprised you didn't do it earlier. I beat the bookies on this one. Rasher 02:54, 17 April 2006 (BST)

CDFers attack anyone who attacks you. So now every CDFer gets to be a target. I came to Crossman and shot you (totally at random), then two CDFers shot me. So, the vicious cycle of violence between us began! Memories!!!!! Scinfaxi 07:43, 16 April 2006 (BST)

Oh yeah, and what kind of asshole writes Kevan about how shitty his game is, then keeps playing it? Scinfaxi 07:45, 16 April 2006 (BST)

Moderation Requests

This is the space for you to make note of you need a Moderator's attention immediately. Please post new topics under a new headline.

Don't just delete things or people will get hissy. Through the deletion page. --Zaruthustra-Mod 23:49, 7 April 2006 (BST)

Which is not to mention that when you uploaded those images I think you released them into the public domain. Might wanna be careful with that. --Zaruthustra-Mod 00:00, 8 April 2006 (BST)
Note: The above is not true. -- Amazing 00:46, 8 April 2006 (BST)

As you seem to online, could you check vandal banning page, now? Thanks.--Brizth W! 23:27, 8 April 2006 (BST)

Unfortunately, I was de-modded for a fraudulent reason. -- Amazing 23:32, 8 April 2006 (BST)
Oh damn. Thanks anyway. --Brizth W! 23:35, 8 April 2006 (BST)
No problem. -- Amazing 23:37, 8 April 2006 (BST)
Are you still a mod? I hope so, I'd like to congratulate you. May large women frequent you. *salute* Scinfaxi 08:35, 10 April 2006 (BST)
Oh yeah, stop screwing with the GANKBUS wiki or I will TOTALLY write you a letter expressing my disappointment with you. Scinfaxi 08:37, 10 April 2006 (BST)

What is the definition of clique?

Close-knit group of people, kinda. Sort of like the groups of kids in highschool that hang out together, think alike, and don't get along well with anyone who isn't like them. -- Amazing 08:15, 24 April 2006 (BST)

Strike Breakers

I'm not a griefer, I'm there on behalf of Strike Breakers to punish the CDF once for their involvement in the strike, i'm not going to constantly grief you, once you have served your punishment then i'll go back to killing zombies until I get the locations of any move "targets".--The General 06:49, 9 April 2006 (BST)

Look, Amazing, i'm not out to grief you. Stop trying to turn everyone into your enemy.--The General W! Mod 13:59, 17 April 2006 (BST)

Targetting everyone in a group for the opinions of some members and joining up with people who are actively impersonating, annoying, and harassing said members of said group makes you a 100% Pure griefer. -- Amazing 07:15, 18 April 2006 (BST)

Come on Man

I know you have better things to do than hang around here arguing with people. I mean, out of your last 500 edits probably about 400-450 were amazing drama related. I know for a fact that you have plenty of projects that would benefit from your time a lot more than we would, especially since you're just firing back and forth with people these days. --Zaruthustra-Mod 19:21, 11 April 2006 (BST)

Doesn't cut into my business or hobbies to drop in and reply to the crap people like you post. I'd say this took less than 5 seconds. - Amazing 01:14, 12 April 2006 (BST)


I love you too man. --Zaruthustra-Mod 06:47, 13 April 2006 (BST)

You totally strolled right into that one while whistling a blissfully unaware tune. -- Amazing 06:49, 13 April 2006 (BST)

My New Tag

Hey! I made a tag just then dedicated to Grim s. I think you'll approve. Type in {{NoGrimS}} and see for yourself. --Cyberbob240CDF 18:44, 17 April 2006 (BST)

Another New Tag

Hey again! I've made another tag dedicated to Grim s. Check it out here. --Cyberbob240CDF 16:28, 18 April 2006 (BST)


GO THERE AND SCROLL DOWN TO THE BOTTOM. Read General's comment before my *runs to Amazing' user page to spread the good word* CAREFULLY. --Cyberbob240CDF 17:01, 18 April 2006 (BST)

Reply (about edits again)

I edited the title of your arbitration case because under the current form, whenever it was edited it took up two lines on my screen when I looked at the Recent Changes page, and seeing as it was going to be edited at a constant basis, I reduced it to reduce the ammount of scrolling. I submit that it is my place to conserve my poor, poor fingers from the terrible fingernail-devouring scroll wheel.

Secondly, a really minor point; you are aware that you can't trap a zombie by "barricading them in", correct? Any level zombie is able to click on a block and walk out, no matter what the status. Therefore, the zombie will only stay there if they are conserving AP to smash it open so that their fellows can invade, or possibly to form a Zed-Wall to preserve any other members from Headshot, and therefore wasting more survivor bullets.

End response --Karlsbad 23:54, 19 April 2006 (BST)

I like how the rules bend to your personal preference. -- Amazing 03:16, 20 April 2006 (BST)
I'm sorry, I saw this and just HAD to comment. You're the king of bending rules to your preference Amazing. Just sayin. BuncyTheFrog Talk GBP 04:03, 20 April 2006 (BST)
Buncy, lay off. Just because Amazing has an opinion doesn't make that opinion wrong. I contend that I have never attempted to adhere to any rules what-so-ever; it just so happens that my actions were the best ones and are supported by the spirit of the wiki. --Karlsbad 05:22, 20 April 2006 (BST)

This Is Not Trolling

About the Wiki sucking. It only sucks, because you let it suck. Just about everyone involved has trolled at some point, even me. I don't deny it. I know some of the people here like drama, and in some ways, that's just sick. You know, if you just wnt real quiet and continued making decent contributions to the Wiki, you'd have a better case when people trolled you. All we have right now is a "They hit me so I hit them back" argument from both sides, and that never works out well.

Though I still detest your personality, I'm giving advice again. You can choose to respond as you like, but please respond. --SirensT RR 03:51, 20 April 2006 (BST)

  • I'd have to agree with her on this one. You're not in the majority here so you gotta be real careful about your battles. If you want any kind of resolution, you gotta make them play ball. But that means you can't give them anything to work with. If you flame them back, it'll just continue. Concentrate on the areas you got rock solid evidence in. Accusing multiple people might work in negligence cases, but they will only work against you here. Concentrate on the lead offender or the one you have the most evidence on. From there you can create on upwards, but you'll just lose on all accounts if you spread yourself out like this. Concentrate on ridding the most flagrant baiting and insults in bad test from the group pages. Don't touch the personal pages for now. Look at past sucessful arguements to see what works and what doesn't.
P.S Zathura's arguement actually does more to help your more that hurt you. It establishes a level of harrassment that they can't cross. You might not like it now but its an advantage that will ultimately help you more that hurt you. Your worst harrassers clearly fall into that level and it gives you something to nail them on. You are more likely to get the arbiter to be sympathetic to your case if you seem willing to make reasonable concession. But a reasonable concession, backed with an expectation of reciprocation from the other side.--Prosperina 03:57 20 April 2006

Mia had different words for what i have said to you in the past. When someone offends you this doesnt give you the right to 'fight back on his own terms'. If you had happen to be polite in the past, even when people annoyed the hell out of you, i believe none of this whole drama would had ever existed. Amazing, i know you can do better use for the wiki than jumping from drama to drama. You had made several good contributions to this wiki, like the Sagred Grounds and the McZeds. Why did you let yourself fall on their terms and lower yourself to a place where no one can win, and everyone else loses ? Like i said on the NoWiki template: Right now, the best thing you can do for this community is simply walk away and forget about it. Your name is tainted in several levels, and wont be easily forgotten. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 04:06, 20 April 2006 (BST)
Amazing, I don't know what the hell you're thinking here anymore. You're most recent actions are pretty childish and stupid, frankly. If you really are that miserable on the wiki, perhaps you should think about putting it behind you. I'm not going to condone forcing to you to go, but there's no use staying here just to be antagonized. I gave you advice and it was your choice not to take it. And frankly I'm at a loss, I'm not your enemy, in fact I've been trying to help you out. Whether or not you believe it is to be debated. If you wanna stay, then stay but you're gonna have to realize you're gonna have to sit through some flak before things get better and if you blow your top continually they'll just get worse. This route you're currently taking isn't gonna get you any allies and if your reputation is so important to you, then its probably not worth the stress and you should bow out while you can. Otherwise, they are probably going to just end up banning you. --Prosperina 7:06 20 April 2006

Deleted your stuff by mistake. trying to revert but it keeps changing. Hugs and kisses. --Zaruthustra-Mod 04:24, 21 April 2006 (BST)

I'm talking about cumulatively. From that post on the vandal banning page, to the way you've been going about this arbitration thing. And I don't know what you were thinking with that template of yours on your user page. Instead of concentrating your efforts and striking the people you have the strongest case against, you're trying to pin everyone and stretching yourself out too thin. You're flailing around like a bull in a china shop and you're gonna end up losing. Right now they're putting up a vote to ban you and its probably gonna go through, due to the many enemies you got on the wiki. I've put up a suggestion that might circumvent the bannning but its not going to be nice for either side. However if you really want to get them to shut up, that's gonna be the way to do it. Otherwise, you might as well take a hiatus from the wiki and let things cool down.--Prosperina 02:48, 21 April 2006 (BST)

Hi. Can you do this wiki a favor and drop that arbitration request and file a new one ? This time do it against each individual you want to complain, as in 'amazing vs. dude1', 'amazing vs. dude2', not as 'amazing vs. dude1, dude2, dude3' --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 05:14, 21 April 2006 (BST)

*sigh*Man, Look. I am not asking you this tp make you look like a spammer troll. I am asking you this so we can easily arbitrate your cases. If you believe you have a point, i think the best thing is to show it to people. Right now you cant, because this is completly chaotic, and any rela evidence you present us will be meaningless because it will be impossible to rule a thing. This is for the good of the wiki, and for your own good. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 05:25, 21 April 2006 (BST)
Why restate the facts again, adding to the drama which you guys so 'obviously' hate? Just simply break the case up into chunks and arbitrate. Do you think they try a case on each charge brought forth on a defendant? No. Just proceed with the case and don't make anyone restate everything again. --Zod Rhombus 05:37, 21 April 2006 (BST)

My talk page is not a forum for your personal discussions. -- Amazing 01:46, 22 April 2006 (BST)

Re: Arbitration

Amazing, could you please negotiate with the other users to finalise Arbitrators for your case - the case really can't go forward until Arbitrators are selected. -- Odd Starter talkModW! 02:33, 22 April 2006 (BST)

I'm aware of the issues concerned - the reason I split it up the Arbitrator selection so was because with so many defendents, how the hell could any single Arbitrator be selected? This way, at least, Specific aspects of the case can be looked at with an Arbitrator that both sides accept. Regardless, unless the parties involved can agree on an Arbitrator, your case is going nowhere, because I sure as hell am not going to touch it unless I can be sure that those involved have accepted me as an Arbitrator! -- Odd Starter talkModW! 02:44, 22 April 2006 (BST)

The Petition

In effort to appease people, I'm trying to move the petition out of my user space. I'm here to ask you where YOU think it should go. --SirensT RR 06:16, 23 April 2006 (BST)

The Deletions Queue. That's my fist choice, quite honestly, as you had no real reason to create it in the first place. Second choice would be Policy Discussion since you are, in effect, attempting to do something that WILL be cited in future "Ban this person, they annoy us" campeigns - no matter what the outcome is. Something, I may add, will probably cause harm to the Wiki community as opposed to helping it. Picture a "Ban this person for being aggrivating" case for all people on this Wiki who have just ONE person who'd like to file one. Now picture the ensuing drama. See, all you're accomplishing is blowing up a DramaBomb. -- Amazing 06:21, 23 April 2006 (BST)
Amazing, I'm in this for the Wiki, I really am. I'm going to level with you. I want this to end, one way or another. If you stop trolling, period, regardless of whether you start it or not, I'll retract the petition. I'm not kidding. I'll delete the pages and put them up for Speedy Delete. So people troll you. So what? Just ignore them. Show them that you WON'T sink to thier level, as you've stated so many times. Since you hate me so much, show me that I'm wrong to think poorly of you. You HAVE done some good things for the community. KEEP doing them. --SirensT RR 06:27, 23 April 2006 (BST)
I answered your question, and in light of your request to ignore people I consider trolls, I really think I should leave it at that. -- Amazing 06:32, 23 April 2006 (BST)


Ok, Amazing, help me out here a little bit please. Can you just tone things down a little bit? I'm trying my damnedest to work an arrangement out and making new accusations is just gonna make things harder to get the other side to agree. --Prosperina 6:12 24 April 2006

Had my User Page not been edited by one of the people I'm accusing of wrongdoing in such a way as to be more wrongdoing, I wouldn't have had anything to report. -- Amazing 06:17, 24 April 2006 (BST)
I know but if this thing works it'll be a moot point, as it is now its really gonna distract from the proposal itself and give them a reason to refuse just out of spite. I'm not saying forget it entirely but please just hold off a bit until I contact all the people and get their input.--Prosperina 6:18 24 April 2006


It's entirely up to you, of course, but I'd quickly revert that edit. It'll result in more Vandalism drama, and could potentially ruin the chances of getting it deleted. --Cyberbob240CDF - Arb - W! 07:25, 24 April 2006 (BST)

I'm entirely within the right to end this absurd abuse any way possible, since the Moderators should be deleting it straight off without debate. Frankly, I'm sick and tired of them playing favorites and ignoring their duty - which is to preserve the Wiki's usability for its users. -- Amazing 07:27, 24 April 2006 (BST)
That's fine, but other people won't see it that way. And since those same people have the power to vote against you in all matter of things, wouldn't you do better not pissing them off? --Cyberbob240CDF - Arb - W! 07:29, 24 April 2006 (BST)
If it was talking about Grim S or Odd Starter, it'd be deleted completely. It's said and done - and if I DID revert it, the fool would still report me. He will either way, but this way I am making my stand against the ABUSE and the Moderators' ALLOWANCE of it. -- Amazing 07:33, 24 April 2006 (BST)
Please don't vandalise. The whales nee your help--Mpaturet 07:34, 24 April 2006 (BST)
Pwnd on the Vandal Page. Don't post here again. -- Amazing 07:37, 24 April 2006 (BST)

Why did you reject hagnat's ruling?

(The Drama Llama ate this before I could read it.)

(Oh no, the Drama Llama ate two things I never read.)

(Oh no, the Drama Llama ate three things, and all I saw of the last one was baloney whining.)

(This time the Drama Llama pooped on it. I'm not reading something covered in Llama poop.)

Re: There

You already broke it with your "suck on this" comment. Sowwy. --Lucero Capell 01:23, 25 April 2006 (BST)

You already broke it with your "suck on this" comment. Sowwy. --Lucero Capell 01:23, 25 April 2006 (BST)
Wrong, you broke it with your first revert, liar. And do not upload images of me that are not made available by me. -- Amazing 01:25, 25 April 2006 (BST)
Mmhmm, sure. Just go on believing that. Amazing, you are a lost cause. As for the image, don't be silly, you uploaded it yourself. --Lucero Capell 01:27, 25 April 2006 (BST)

Listen you FUCKING IDIOT. Knock it off immediately. This is complete bullshit and you know it. I offered you an olive branch and you've SHAT ON IT. Your Arbitration case is re-opened since you COMPLETELY VIOLATED THE AGREEMENT. -- Amazing 01:30, 25 April 2006 (BST)

Stop trolling my talk page. You violated the agreement, and you know it as well as I. Your "olive branch" was nothing more than a sham, just like your arbitration cases. You had no case then, you have none now. Drama Llama. --Lucero Capell 01:34, 25 April 2006 (BST)
Go to Hell you idiotic pissant. You know full well that you accepted my deal with no intention of honoring it. You took the first chance you saw to continue your DIPSHIT TROLLING ways. I hope you feel really fucking happy you amoral peice of shit. -- Amazing 01:38, 25 April 2006 (BST)
As I said, stop trolling my talk page. You had no intention of honoring it. I reverted your vandalism of a template. You personally insulted me. I don't see how you get A from B. --Lucero Capell 01:43, 25 April 2006 (BST)
You reverted a template ONLY because you wanted to return it to its rule-breaking nature to aggrivate me. I doubt you keep up on all templates, just the ones that insult me. You broke the argreement, I had every intention of never speaking to you again. I would have preferred it. -- Amazing 04:19, 25 April 2006 (BST)
I'm sorry for posting on your talk page again, but I'd like for you to take a look at the template now. But remember, the whales needed you--Mpaturet 01:47, 25 April 2006 (BST)
No problem. Thanks for coming around and beaing reasonable. -- Amazing 04:19, 25 April 2006 (BST)

Sorry to have to contact you here

Sorry to contact you here, but I could not think of a better way to do it. I was wondering if you were alright with Hagnat's original ruling on our arbitration case, wherein I got in trouble and was told to not be dumb and edit your talk when I knew you didn't want it. If you are, I was hoping you could say you accepted that ruling, so that one more part of Wikigate could be resolved. It would totally earn us all blue ribbons at the county fair. Also, I have no problem with you removing this section once you've read it, regardless of your decision. -¯\(o_º)/¯Bear 03:06, 27 April 2006 (BST)

Teh Trolls! Oh Noes!!! Now we are Fuxxord!!!

Shit, those anti Military bastards are at it again. It's like there looking for any reason. They want to delete yet Another one of our pages. On the IWM WANTED page, it clearly stated in the title alone that it's a group page, does it not? Could you help us vote to keep this page up? If you don't want to that's fine man, just looking for some supporters.--Duce Nauks 16:56, 27 April 2006 (BST)

Your user page

I think it broke my retinas... It is just like myspace. Only less emo kids. --TheTeeHeeMonster 01:52, 28 April 2006 (BST)

Soooo muuuuch reddddddd!!!!! . . . (Insert sond of gunshot here). P.S. Thanks for the vote--Duce Nauks 04:16, 28 April 2006 (BST)

God, if you keep your user page that colour, I'm definitely dropping all attempts at neutrality. That's just uncivilized. Good God. -Wyndal (talk)-(W!)-(SGP) 23:59, 28 April 2006 (BST)

It's a personal statement, and none of your concern. -- Amazing 06:36, 29 April 2006 (BST)

You racist

(Drama Llama likes to eat things left by people I don't like before I read them.)

(Drama Llama eats everything jjamesfaxi posts. How odd of him!)