User:Iscariot/Historical Groups

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The policy for Historical Groups is very clear:

Within two weeks of a nomination, the group must be approved by 2/3 of the voters, with a minimum of 15 voters for a nomination to pass. The only allowable votes are Yes and No

Accordingly groups that in this category without passing a successful vote are in breach of policy, either through incompetence, misuse of the template or sysop favouritism.

Contents 1 Succeeded 2 Category 3 Imposters 4 Inevitable whining

[edit] Succeeded

The Succeeded Archive lists 32 successfully voted Historical Groups:

1. Zom
2. Eastonwood Ferals
3. Drunken Dead
4. Crossman Defense Force
5. Flat Earth Society
6. Liberation of Crossman Department
7. Roftwood Assault Force
8. The Second Big Bash
9. The Caiger Resistance Front
10. The Dark Order of Armageddon
11. Ghetto Cow
12. Amish Liberation Front
13. Mall Tour '07
14. St. Valentine's Cherubs
15. Dulston Defense Death Squad
16. FedCom
17. Disciples of Zeko
18. Blackmore Bastard Brigade
19. Big Bash
20. Pwotters
21. The Emerald Guard
22. Assault on Stupid Survivors
23. The Gray
24. Shacknews
25. Malton DEA
26. Ars Requiem
27. Paradox
28. Tompson Mall Irregulars
29. Church of New Eden
30. The Shining Ones
31. Randallbank Coalition
32. LUE

[edit] Category

Whereas the Historical Groups Category lists 59 entries:

4

• 4 Corners Regulators

A

• Alliance of Giddings
• Amish Liberation Front - Entry 12
• Ars Requiem - Entry 26
• Assault on Stupid Survivors - Entry 22
• Axes High (Historic)

B

• Back On Strike
• Blackmore Bastard Brigade - Entry 18
• Brain Central

C

• Church of New Eden - Entry 29
• Council of Leaders (new)
• Council of Leaders (original)
• Crossman Defense Force - Entry 4

D

• Democratic Armed Republic of Independent Suburbs
• Disciples of Zeko - Entry 17
• Drunken Dead - Entry 3
• Dulston Defense Death Squad - Entry 15

E

• Eastonwood Ferals - Entry 2

F

• FOBU
• FedCom: Urban Dead - Entry 16
• Flat Earth Society - Entry 5

G

• Ghetto Cow - Entry 11
• Giddings Defenders

I

• Iron Cross Brothers (original)

L

• LUE - Entry 32
• Liberation of Crossman Department - Entry 6

M

• Mall Tour '06
• Mall Tour '07 - Entry 13
• Malton DEA - Entry 25
• The Many
• The Ministry of the Dead
• Mockers

O

• On Strike

P

• PA Rebel Alliance
• Paradox (2006) - Entry 27
• The Pretorians
• Pwotters - Entry 20

R

• RABH
• Randallbank Coalition - Entry 31
• Red-eye Republic
• Roftwood Assault Force - Entry 7

S

• The Undying Scourge
• Shacknews - Entry 24
• Shambling Seagulls (2006)
• Shearbank Liberation Army
• St. Valentine's Cherubs - Entry 14
• The Stanbury Renegades

T

• The Apocalypse Horde
• The Big Bash - Entry 19
• The Caiger Resistance Front - Entry 9
• The Dark Order of Armageddon - Entry 10
• The Emerald Guard - Entry 21
• The Gingerbread Men
• The Gray - Entry 23
• The Second Big Bash - Entry 8
• The Shining Ones - Entry 30
• Tompson Mall Irregulars - Entry 28

U

• United Territories Federation

Z

• Zom/ - Entry 1

[edit] Imposters

1. 4 Corners Regulators - Links to the Tompson Mall Regulars' successful bid and to the A/P archives where it was incorrectly said to be historical (due to template misuse no doubt)
2. Alliance of Giddings - Protected as previous
3. Axes High (Historic) - Incompetence by Nubis
4. Back_On_Strike - As 4CR
5. Brain Central - Ditto
6. Council of Leaders (new) - Ditto
7. Council of Leaders (original) - Ditto
8. Democratic Armed Republic of Independent Suburbs - Ditto
9. FOBU - Ditto
10. Giddings Defenders - Ditto
11. Iron Cross Brothers (original) - Protected due to a Vandalism Case, should have never had the Historical template
12. Mall Tour '06 - As 4CR
13. The Many - Ditto
14. The Ministry of the Dead - Ditto
15. Mockers - Ditto
16. On Strike - Ditto
17. PA Rebel Alliance - Ditto
18. The Pretorians - Ditto
19. RABH - Ditto
20. Red-eye Republic - Ditto
21. The Undying Scourge - Ditto
22. Shambling Seagulls (2006) - Moved to its present location as an incorrect Historical Group
23. Shearbank Liberation Army - As 4CR
24. The Stanbury Renegades - As 4CR and Karek's incompetence
25. The Apocalypse Horde - More Nubis incompetence? It's more likely than you think
26. The Gingerbread Men - As 4CR
27. United Territories Federation - Ditto

[edit] Inevitable whining

Eh? What?

We used to have something called Crit 12, it mean that inactive groups were deleted from the wiki, to prevent this groups consider important, but inactive were deleted unless they were deemed Historical as this policy. Before this policy, everyone and their uncle could put the template on their pages. Then great wisdom came about that diskspace = cheep and Crit 12 was banished from our sight.

So?

So we have a mix of non-voted and voted groups in the category, this is a double standard. Double standards are bad, but often occur on this wiki in situation involving the admin team.

You want to delete these groups?

Grow up, no-one's saying delete them. We don't delete groups that are inactive on this wiki. However we have other categories to show that they are no longer active.

So what would change?

The groups would have their pages and talk pages unprotected and the Historical Group templates removed.

But then they could be vandalised!

So could any active group on this wiki, or any inactive group that's not currently protected. Vandalism of inactive groups isn't exactly a common thing. The major reason that group pages are vandalised is due to current in-game actions. Most people aren't even going to have had contact with the groups that will be unprotected.

So you don't think they're worthy of historical status?

Do you know who you're talking to? There are a lot of groups on there that will easily pass if put to the vote, but they should be made to go through the process like every other group has for better or worse.