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Contents 1 This is the place for garbage 1.1 To Boxy 1.2 Welcome to our Wiki 1.3 Blytheville Wikis 1.4 A Missive from TZH 1.5 The Truth about TZH 2 Take it to arbitration 2.1 Please Post Your UD ID? 2.2 Case Has Begun 2.3 About TZH

This is the place for garbage

Almost none of it significant. The gravity of it's insignificance is only exceeded by my apathy. And so it is here.

To Boxy

That comment I left for you was the end of the conversation. kthxbye.--Jack's Cold Sweat 05:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I have just went back and checked the IP results again. And I was wrong. Although I did use an IP tracing website to begin with, I cant have let the page load fully upon submitting the second IP address. I submitted, the page jumped as if it had reloaded, but it can't have... meaning I came up with the same ISP details by mistake before changing tabs. I apologise fully, it was totally my mistake to say that you had similar IP details. I will post this on arbies in case people miss it here -- boxy ^{talk • i} 06:34 23 January 2008 (BST)

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Blytheville Wikis

We at TZH would appreciate it if you didn't mess with the wiki. Mislabeling us as a hostile group was probably a mistake on your part, which is fine. We understand it if you don't quite know how to work with a wiki, I'm still learning as well mate. But labeling us a hostile group is completely false. We have been hard at work winning back NB and just today I cleared, fixed and rebarricaded a building. Just because members have bounty on there heads does not make us a hostile group. We are 100% pro survivor. Some groups in Malton like to cause problems and we just hold grudges, thus why we have bounties. Thanks for the understanding. Good day to you Jack. (by the way, I like the Fight Club reference) --Shirly Logan

A Missive from TZH

Any further changes made on your part in regards to TZH's status as a group, or concerning TZH on any OBJECTIVE page will be reported to the moderators as abuse. If you have something to say, say it on our talk page. For instance, on this talk page, because it is just that, I can tell you that you are a worthless sack of shit. That we maintain that we are at war with the MALTON SKEET CLUB, and PKer group LATE NIGHT TV CRUE, and ONLY those two groups. As you are a member of the former, you are going to die at our hands over and over again. Do not try to report these as PK's, the judgement on Brainstock was in our favor. Your group may no longer bear false witness against us. Fight back, or leave Griefer, Racist, stupid bastards. Suck my massive cock Jack.

Again, you are NOT allowed to change our objective group status, nor are you allowed to change the TZH main page. You are ONLY allowed to edit another group, or person's talk page. Get bent. By the way, your fight club reference is fucking stupid. And even though Shirly likes I hope you choke and die on it.

--Dhavid Grohl 06:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Just a note on the above, the group listings are generally what the group views themselves as, otherwise we'd have tons of problems just like these due to the whole bounty hunter/pker metagame thing, there are many group rivalries among survivor groups and it has in the past caused groups to be listed as bounties on any number of various bounty lists like the Rogues Gallery, whether justly or injustly or simply as a means of furthering intergroup rivalries(which has also happened).--Karek^maps?! 06:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Understoot Karek, and that was the main point I was getting too. Jack's Cold Sweat is NOT allowed to change our group status, that is something that only we as a group are allowed to do. This is just another example of Malton Skeet Club griefing our group. Ironically enough screenshots of his actions (History page and page before editing) have been taken and submitted to brainstock to further our cause. What this jackass doesn't realize is that his wiki-illegal action has actually helped TZH. Now NO ONE believes him. But thanks for the backup and clarification on that issue Karek. BALLS TO THE WHALLS bud. To Jack: Suck on that you whiny emo bitch. --Dhavid Grohl 15:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not backing you up, just clarifying why he can't do what he did. I don't want to be drawn into the middle of your dispute and I don't really care if he's right, or not, about what he claimed. I'm just letting him know that, unfortionately, correctness doesn't really matter in this case.--Karek^maps?! 19:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Your group is hostile to survivors. Frequently, routinely, capriciously. The neutral point of view of the wiki DEMANDS I change your group status to something which accurately reflects it. Which of course is hostile to survivors. Indeed you've been crying recently to the mods on brainstock that you're not allowed to pk with impunity in the Blythvilles (not that they even acknowledge their supposed ability to stop reprisals you so vigoriously invite). TZH wants to be considered a pro-survivor group? Fine, hell you can even stay insane and do that. It's simple just don't randomly pk people. I know it sounds too simple. TZH ceasing pk'ing of survivors simply minding their business, it's got to be some sort of trick. Well, that's all it'd take. But I know you mindless drones don't have anywhere near the capacity to grasp this simple concept. So your kills will be reported. You will recieve bounties. And ultimately I'll win the arbitration and you will be designated as a group hostile to survivors. Only because it's all true, and by and large you only engage in the barest pretense of denying any of it. You want a war with me, no and you can't make me. You're lucky I can be bothered to report you ass-hats to RG. --Jack's Cold Sweat 01:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The Truth about TZH

We don't kill random survivors Jack. Don't you get it yet? We only kill Malton Skeet Club Members. Thats you, Ned, Chimera, and Life's a Bitch. You are it. Thats it. Anyone else is a proven PKer of TZH by screenshot and their own admission. Not Hostile to survivors, hostile to the griefing Malton Skeet Club. Hostile to those that would kill and push out the BRRC. Your plays are foolish, and the ground sinks quickly from beneath you. You are losing ground, the Blythvilles are turning against you, and we have nearly won. The BRRC grows bold, and they are returning. LONG LIVE THE BRRC! LONG LIVE THE BLYTHVILLES! DEATH TO THE MSC!

You know how this is going to end Jack. We stop killing the MSC members when they leave the 3x3 burb area centered around South Blythville, when "Kiiro's Wee Penis" lies down and never gets up, and when DirtyGirl, your other zerg, ceases her PKing as well. You have left reason behind a long time ago. The MSC will be annihilated. Don't like it? You shouldn't have created racist alts, you shouldn't have pked, and you shouldn't have griefed. You had your chance to apologize and stop a long time ago, we offered you that way out many times. No more. As it has been for months, Team Zombie Hardcore will continue to hunt down your friends in the Skeet Club, and they will be killed. Did you like dying twice today? Thats 24 AP that are never coming back, thats assuming your zerger friends found their syringes in one pick.

This war is your fault. No walk away, or deal with it as we finish what YOU started.

--Dhavid Grohl 03:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

You kill all kinds of random survivors. I've seen you do it in Marven mall. So you'll just continue to accumulate bounties till you're all kill on sight on Rogue's Gallery. Which will be mildly amusing. You're a survivor hostile organization, that'll be decided in arbitration, and then everytime you're in a suburb TZH will be listed under the hostile groups. You want to know why the BRRC left? It's hilarious. The war with the MSC ended primarily because the Big Bash rolled through. We revived some of the BRRC Skybro et al, and the leadership of the BRRC had left. just left. So they just walked away because of ineffective leadership. That's it. They got bored and stopped playing, and that's why the BRRC went away. So the few former BRRC members (2 of more than 20) that remain deliver rotter revives in Pippard using our improved, simpler, foolproof techniques. Kirro's Wee Penis, and this other griefer are your bag. You've pissed off a lot of people with your abrassive doucheiness. Who knows who they are. I sure as hell don't since I only recently came back. I used to suspect Kirro's Wee Penis was Ant A (you numbskulls were mildly convincing, and hey Ant A bit Ant C's name so...), but he doesn't play anymore either. So you're wrong about him being one of the people associated with us. Just like you're wrong about this other person you mention. You're all insane, and you just wander around annoying people. They reply in kind. (Which is a waste of time unless they're playing to get a reaction out of you twits, and if that's the case Mission Accomplished!) Because it's a waste of time, we'll just post your pk's to brainstock. They'll be accepted. And other people will bother with your asshattery while I continue to chat with those who inhabbit Pippard with me. There's no war. You've lost by virtue of your own delusions and inability to understand you just can't kill us and keep us dead. You started it. You'll end it with a wimper. But not before you're all KOS I bet. No one cares, you're all garbage. --Jack's Cold Sweat 04:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Deny it all you want Jack, but we KNOW that KWP and DG are members of the Malton Skeet Club in zerg form. This isn't conjecture, not completion of a theory. It is known. I would tell you how I know, but I protect my sources bud. Not being a hostile group, I am not about to offer the sources that have helped TZH, a pro-survivor group, enact justice when it would likely result in said sources being persecuted by griefers like the MSC. I also know that the BRRC continues to struggle against you, and that there are a large numbers of supporters for their cause, besides TZH, who lack the resolve to do anything about it. We are currently talking with several individuals who may soon be joining our cause. I laugh at your statement of bounties, as none have been posted in a long long time against TZH on behalf of MSC members killed, nor will they in the future because either way it doesn't matter. The Rogues Gallery is a subjective system that often times does not take into account private conflicts between groups (like this one). The wiki suburb pages are to remain objective, and it is you that seems to lack understanding. As an objective page, only those who are members of a group, or run within a group are allowed to alter or set the status of their group. Thats us Jack. Not you. I know deep down you wish you were one of us. Wish you were accepted by someone more than your emo group of griefers at Pippard. But you're not, and you never will be. We already rejected more than one MSC spy (perhaps our source of information!? duh duh DUH!) so don't even try it. You, and the rest of the MSC have underestimated TZH at ever turn, and now it is going to cost you the war. Thats the war in game, what goes on here at the wiki is a completely different matter. You have broken a greater set of laws here, and I have full faith that there will be no problem having you shut down.--Dhavid Grohl 17:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

You're insane. No one has anything to do with the many many people who grief you. There is no war. No one from the Malton Skeet Club is doing anything to you. You're just addicted to crazy flakes. You go around provoking the various pk organizations, and the RRF, and then when ever they respond it's somehow our fault. Things will continue much as they are, enjoy the bounty system.--Jack's Cold Sweat 21:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and as a second counterpoint, these "random survivors" that you claim that we kill... One is a group imposter and racist. Posing as a member of TZH and not actually being TZH is a capital offense (not to mention he has pked too...), as it is for many other groups. This doesn't classify us as hostile. Dirty Girl started PKing TZH members long before we noticed her, we have a plethora of screenshots of her doing so, so our killing her is hardly hostile. We have a screenshot of Private Steeeve killing TZH members, we even proved to the DEM that Steeeve was a zerger. So killing him isn't hostile. Roberto Calaveras killed an innocent n00b unprovoked in our headquarters... (screenshot available, I think...) killing him isn't hostile. Falcon Talon killed Papa Nixon multiple times because he was "collecting bounties" on Papa Nixon that were the result of a war with the MSC, as such the bounties were invalid, so killing HIM isn't hostile. Every person TZH has ever targeted comes from much more than our imaginations, it comes from substantiated fact. Your flat refusal of these facts is ridiculous. None of these people are innocent, and neither are you. Leave the Pippard Building and allow it to return to the hands of the BRRC, or this is never going to end. Cease your war against TZH or this is never going to end. Take your zerg characters: Dirty Girl and Kiiro's Wee Penis to the edge of Malton and let them die, or better yet stack them with yourselves for 24 hours and allow them to be locked out by Kevan's anti-zerg program... or this will never end. LONG LIVE THE BRRC! You know Jack, if you are so convinced that everyone hates us, you need to look around. TZH has one of the longest standing alliances IN THE GAME with the Olney Militia. We work closely with the Bandit Queens. We have good relations with the Blythville Gang (shout out to F4th3r!). We work closely with the Green Street Elite AND the Lockettside Defense Squad. And lastly, we were JUST invited, not two days ago to become members of the SWA (South West Alliance). Yeah, people sure do hate us... we sure have pissed everyone off.--Dhavid Grohl 18:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

What the hell are you even talking about? Keep your crazy on your side of the wiki. I know it probably needs a lot of space to spread out, stink and be crazy, but my talk page ain't the place. No one asked you to sing your life story.--Jack's Cold Sweat 21:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Take it to arbitration

Go to Arbitration, type ===Jack's Cold Sweat Vs. [[TZH]]=== (YOUR REASONS HERE FOR MAKING THEM A HOSTILE GROUP)~~~~ (not necessarily like that but I think that's a good template.)

This will spare us all the edit wars. I'm begging that you take it to arbitration.  Nalikill  ^{TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI}  22:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I've offered to arbitrate. Accept or reject as you will.  Nalikill  ^{TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI}  23:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I've just asked for a direct confirmation; I just wanted to be sure no one could VB me for not following procedure.  Nalikill  ^{TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI}  21:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

VB? I don't know what that is, and I'm sure this will all work out. No worries.--Jack's Cold Sweat 21:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Please Post Your UD ID?

I'd really like to meet you in the game. Feel free to list the Late Night TV Crue as a hostile group to you. Of course, we're pretty much hostile to everyone, but reading all this makes me want to kill you an extra-lot. Kiss kiss!--Sarah Silverman 21:40, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Case Has Begun

Read my initial spiel, and collect your evidence.  Nalikill  ^{TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI}  21:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

About TZH

You might wanna read my talk page. I'm saying this off arbitration because I felt it would be better to do it as a man to man thing rather than as arbitrator to party thing. TZH aren't bad people; they just tend to overreact- as evinced in this case, if you get them on your good side, you will have no more fierce friend.  Nalikill  ^{TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI}  04:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Whether or not they are bad people is a matter of perspective. They claim that the MSC started this "war". (The "war" is, in effect, them PKing us over and over.) In actuality, they started it. Duke Cage and Morris O'Brien PKed me with no provocation (we had never heard of TZH prior to this event.) They claim they read a bit of misinformation about me having GKed in Hazeldine. Duke Cage has admitted that this was an error, yet the PKs continue. It is true that TZH is not hostile to all survivors all of the time, but it appears to me that they target individuals and groups to relentlessly PK. This is, in my opinion, not behavior indicative of goodness.

It seems to me, Nalikill, that you had your mind made up about the case before arbitrating it. If you had such a bias you should not have volunteered to take a position as arbitrator in the matter, as I do not believe you were impartial. My opinion has only been solidified by your hostility toward me regard the IP allegations about me and Jack. Such language was inappropriate and unwarranted.

--Chimera 17:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Sign onto the Arbitration case Cyberbob proposed if you have a problem with how the TZH case was arbitrated, I don't think there's much else you can do.--Karek^maps?! 17:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Chimera, if you ain't Jack, then what are you doing responding to his messages?  Nalikill  ^{TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI}  23:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

That makes no sense, I'm not boxy but I have his page watchlisted. Nor am I Hagnat, Vista, or Nalikill(that would be you). Maybe that they seem to, at the very least, know each other from somewhere would explain that one.--Karek^maps?! 00:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Let me qualify that. Why and how did he respond to that before Jack did?  Nalikill  ^{TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI}  00:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Special:Watchlist. Even I have had people reply to things on my talk page before I ever saw them.--Karek^maps?! 00:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Nali, please exercise some judgment instead of typing the first thing that pops into your mind. It's insulting and unnecessary. --Chimera 08:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

-comment by Dhavid Grohl moved as per the request of Nalikill. Sorry about that, some confusion on my part---Dhavid Grohl 05:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)