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hmm, I just set it up yesterday and have no idea what to do, as I followed the guide on it exactly as it stated. I'll revert to my old one for now but I'll need some help if im to use the one I want.--G-Man 17:49, 22 August 2008 (BST)

re: striking in Suggestions votes

Ok, fine, I see what you're doing and you're right. However, when there is VALID discussion going on, it's good form to move the striken votes to the Talk page. Consider doing this in the future? Thanks. And I'm referring to suggestions/comments other than mine, actually, FTR. --WanYao 07:24, 10 August 2008 (BST)

They have to learn to put it on the talk page themselves. And if I move them, they won't. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 11:12, 10 August 2008 (BST)

That talk page...

The following discussion concerns Category talk:Current Suggestions.

Well, yeah, you're right with the reversion. The level one was just an attempt to be very assertive about trying to get people proactive about fixing it. That page goes nowhere near chronological order, and I'm not sure what is in the realm of what I can do personally, besides throw out a plea. There's like 3 month old suggestions hanging out on that page, and its not even where they should be. - tylerisfat 17:58, 8 August 2008 (BST)

Well, most of the discussion on that page belongs to either Category talk:Suggestions or Talk:Suggestions. It should probably be either archived or cleared of the "incorrect" discussions, so that people won't get the wrong idea of what the page is for. :/ --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 18:21, 8 August 2008 (BST)

I marked for deletions the things that were partial suggestions that were then moved to the correct page, and I'm going to give a go at archiving the mess. I'd appreciate it if you would look over my shoulder and make sure I'm not destroying the wiki. - tylerisfat 18:46, 8 August 2008 (BST)


I have created my own barry. He should arrive at your approximate location tomorrow. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:56, 4 August 2008 (BST)

He died :(. And I'd already found a toolbox for him. Dammit. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 20:03, 4 August 2008 (BST)

Dammit. Again!--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:23, 4 August 2008 (BST)

However, entirely unbeknownst to Barny, his distant relative, Barny II, was also in town! Upon hearing of his distant relative's demise, he vowed to rid the city of the zombie menace! --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 20:30, 4 August 2008 (BST)

Good to see he still has a beard 1327985 by the way for mine. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:34, 4 August 2008 (BST)

And Barny II already has 1 XP! Man, he's quick. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 20:42, 4 August 2008 (BST)

OK. I'm dead again, and I see you're also dead. Do we try again or leave it at that? --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 16:00, 7 August 2008 (BST)

GM Scripts

Hi, I've been trying out your scripts, and they all seem very handy, except I couldn't get the map link one to work and I have no idea why. It doesn't seem to conflict with any other scripts I run (I tried deactivating them). It could be I'm just having some other problem though. Another thing I noticed is your script for profile links, it works at "", but not at "". This could be fixed by changing the link in the script from "" to just "contacts.cgi". Thought I'd give you some feedback. By the way; I love the refresh button, I'd been trying to create one myself, but I lack even basic skills. - User:Whitehouse 08:10, 13 July 2008 (BST)

Thanks, it's nice to know someone found them useful :). What browser are you using? I tried some things to fix Map Links, but not sure it'll work. I had also fixed Profile Links a couple of days ago, but hadn't uploaded the new version yet. There's also some new functionality in Profile Links. UDML 1.1, UDPL 1.1 --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 12:03, 13 July 2008 (BST)

Using Firefox version 3.0 but no worries, the map links work in the updated version of the script. And the profile link update works nicely too, did you change the font size? Looks better now. Are you thinking of creating more scripts, or adding more functions to the ones you already have? Thanks again for making useful scripts :) - User:Whitehouse 17:37, 13 July 2008 (BST)

I'm using 2.0, so that's what the scripts are tested on. I think I know what caused the problem, so I know to avoid it in the future. Yeah, the links are now nested inside both <small> and <sup> tags (just like in my signature), instead of just <sup>. Keeps the line spacing intact.
As for new features to existing scripts, I can't really think of any. I'd rather write new scripts than extend old ones, to keep them modular. If you've got an idea for a new feature or a script, just suggest it and I'll see if I can write it.
Earlier I started modifying another guy's barricade colourizer script, but ended up rewriting it, and will probably upload it in a couple of days, as soon as I finish tweaking it. I've also got some other ideas, but they're not that important or useful, or I lack the necessary skills to do them. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 19:20, 13 July 2008 (BST)

Hello again, recently installed your barricade colorizer script. Works nicely although I feel a little unsure about colorizing the generator and transmitter, the status of them is a good addition. Only found one problem and that was that it also colorized a piece of graffiti with the words "keep at very strongly barricaded". Other than that it has worked well so far. As for suggestions towards creating other scripts, well I have always been a little annoyed that the DNA extractor doesn't have the same priority as weapons do, so it doesn't get a box up alongside the "attack dropdown", or even as part of the "attack dropdown". Same with syringes. Would be nice with a "science 'attack' dropdown" Not sure if it is possible to alter that though. - User:Whitehouse 23:46, 18 July 2008 (BST)

Beyond my skills as that would require changing the URL based on what you've selected from a list. And I don't really like the idea of having actions with different AP costs behind one button.
The building-script shouldn't highlight spraypainted messages anymore. I also made some other changes, which are now listed here. And I updated Profile Links a bit. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 22:37, 21 July 2008 (BST)


Any chance you can add a "Protected?" column onto the Recent Closed Suggestions table? Just so that we sysops know that we've got them all protected. I'd do it myself but I don't want to horribly mangle your coding. :P -- Cheese 00:54, 11 July 2008 (BST)

Well, it's mostly meant for regular users, and listing the protection state might confuse them a bit. It shouldn't be too hard to click them through to see if they're protected?
On another note, I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up with the closed suggestions now that they're being protected a lot more often. After they're protected, no edits to them whatsoever are shown on my watchlist. It's like no-one had ever edited the page. Does this happen to sysops? Anyway, that's how I used to keep track of them. Now I just hope to catch the protected ones in Recent Changes or Category:Current Suggestions, with an occasional glance to protections log :P --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 01:41, 11 July 2008 (BST)

That is a good point. :P I'm just lazy and can't be bothered clicking through them. I'm not sure about the protection watchlist thingy to be honest. :S I'll investigate that. -- Cheese 10:58, 11 July 2008 (BST)

Thanks for the tip on my signature

I am talking about this: "You know, instead of making modifications to your sig in a second edit after your post, you could just put the full code straight into the "Nickname" field in the "User profile" tab in your preferences and check the "raw signatures" box below it. If you do put it there, I advise you to test it in a sandbox to make sure it works properly. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 14:15, 7 July 2008 (BST)" Thanks again for that.--Jamie Cantwel3 TalkAll glory to the Hypnotoad! 05:06, 10 July 2008 (BST)

Reopening an old suggestion?

I've been pondering a longterm solution to a situation that seems very imbalanced in the game. As a former game admin of a different game and now an avid player of Urban Dead, it is important to me that the issue be dealt with in the way that seems best for the game as a whole. In the process of dotting my i's and crossing my t's, I've been reading extensively on creating suggestions. I've discovered that this suggestion was proposed well over a year ago and declared "undecided". Is it possible for a suggestion (especially an undecided one) to be reopened or reproposed after a certain amount of time? Things do change on the game with time and sometimes people begin "abusing" features more frequently than they did before. I've noticed that you have been very active in this avenue and would very much like your advise. Thank you!! --SBSTAR 15:38, 5 July 2008 (BST)

Suggestions cannot be re-opened for voting. If you make a suggestion that is the same or pretty similar to an earlier suggestion, it would most likely get duped. How close is the earlier suggestion to what you would suggest?
I agree with your reasoning on why undecided suggestions could be re-opened. You could propose a policy change regarding the issue here, but it would take at least two weeks for the voting and I wouldn't bet on the majority of the wiki-users thinking the same as I do on this. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 22:03, 5 July 2008 (BST)


Feral Action Database

Since you are interested in getting accurate numbers, as am I, i was wondering if you would like to work with me towards gaining accurate feral zombie ap expendature, wounding efficiencies and kill efficiencies. Etc. The offer is open, and im more than open to discuss methodology with you prior to starting the grand experiment. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 17:37, 22 June 2008 (BST)

External Barricades Suggestion

The following discussion concerns this suggestion.

Unlike what Rauken says, I do not think your suggestion is "fucking stupid", just unsalvageable. I know you probably realized this, as any reasonable person reading my spam vote would. I can be critical, but I would never call a well constructed suggestion stupid, I usually reserve that for really, really bad suggestions.  Billy Club Thorton  T!  RR  19:42, 19 June 2008 (BST)

I did wonder how he managed to infer that from your vote :). --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 23:04, 19 June 2008 (BST)

that template

For the life of me I can't figure out why it keeps putting that extra gap in there. Are you having any luck? The switch part seems to be working, it's just the spacing. I had a little luck when I put the [[Category: line all on its own line instead of letting it get text wrapped. --– Nubis NWO 14:35, 12 June 2008 (BST)

WTF? Seems to have fixed itself. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 14:37, 12 June 2008 (BST)

It could have been caused by the newline before the noinclude tag introduced in this edit, and the effects of its removal took some time to take place. I could put it back there and see if things get fucked up again ;D. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 14:58, 12 June 2008 (BST)

What!? Either we are magic and willed it to fix itself or we were imagining the problem in the first place! I swear this place has a mind of its' own. ggnm ..err, ggne (good game next edit):) --– Nubis NWO 15:05, 12 June 2008 (BST)

Actually, Grim fixed it for us! hahah --– Nubis NWO 15:21, 12 June 2008 (BST)

It was fixed before Grim did anything. Unless he did it also by magic :). --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 15:29, 12 June 2008 (BST)

Err, sorry if I broke something! Though I was 100% sure that since I was only moving stuff from within noinclude tags nothing could go wrong. If, as Grim's comment on his edit suggests, that it was the includeonly tags, then it must have acted up before now, since there were there since the start. Anyway, thanks for fixing the error. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 15:32, 12 June 2008 (BST)

Doubt it was me who fixed it, its just that includeonly tags have always given me trouble and in that context they were redundant. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 15:43, 12 June 2008 (BST)

I'm pretty sure it was the excess newline that did it. The delay from my edit to the problem fixing itself can be explained by this, seeing how {{switch}} is included on over a thousand pages, it could take a while to update all of them. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 16:02, 12 June 2008 (BST)

Hahah- The four of us fixed it - we are like a Wiki Captain Planet! (oh, and sorry for indenting on your talk page, Mid. I'll follow your rules next time.) And it looks like we have our next project if we have to fix all of them.--– Nubis NWO 16:05, 12 June 2008 (BST)

That's odd...

I thought the multi rule works for any suggestion from the same user? I seem to remember karek doing that before on one of Funt's suggestions or something. --Aeon17x 12:33, 6 June 2008 (BST)

A new revision can be posted on the same day, provided the previous version has been removed from voting (which it was). --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 12:36, 6 June 2008 (BST)

Oh, didn't see that. :O I guess I'll put a note on the Cycling guidelines so others will not make the same mistake as I did. --Aeon17x 12:39, 6 June 2008 (BST)

Useful comments

Just posting this to let you know that I appreciate that you've been posting comments which, even if not always in agreement, are at least useful critiques. Especially given some (many) of the comments I get on some of my suggestions from certain people. Thanks. --Tselita 16:30, 2 June 2008 (BST)

Thats What I did

The following discussion is a continuation of this.

Fucking dumbass. I made a header right here what are you blind Ioncannon11 21:29, 29 May 2008 (BST)

Yeah, you managed to read the first paragraph. Congratulations. If only you'd read the other two, you'd know what I'm talking about. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 21:33, 29 May 2008 (BST)

Suggestion Listing

I was looking at your user page and the 'Suggestions Table' you made and I think it looks great. I was wondering if you could tell me how you were able to find all your past suggestions - did you keep track of them as you made them, or is there a way to search for them? I ask because I'm thinking of doing something similar. Thanks in advance. --Tselita 21:33, 28 May 2008 (BST)

I kept track of them as I suggested them, except in the very beginning, but even then I had all my suggestions on my watchlist. You could try searching for your name in the Suggestion namespace (use the checkboxes at the bottom of the search screen), but that will also give you the suggestions you've voted on. Also note that the sorting works by text, not the numerical value, meaning that you have to put leading zeros before smaller numbers if you want them to be sorted properly :P. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 21:48, 28 May 2008 (BST)

Thanks for the advice, I'll try that. Do you mind if I use a similar format to how you did it? It's very organized and I really like how it looks. --Tselita 22:17, 28 May 2008 (BST)

No, I don't mind. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 22:23, 28 May 2008 (BST)


Fanglord2 was spamming the Talk page and he also said the "conversation was boring". The point of that page is to discuss the suggestion so that the author can improve it and submit it. If the author isn't going to participate in the discussion then it is just spam and can be removed. You already said it was a dupe so it can't be submitted as is. What good do you think will come from it sitting on the Talk Page? --– Nubis 00:56, 27 May 2008 (BST)

What are you complaining about? --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 01:08, 27 May 2008 (BST)

Ah. I think you're complaining to the wrong guy. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 01:30, 27 May 2008 (BST)

No. I'm "complaining" that you undid my actions on the Talk:suggestions page. All of those words up there are me explaining why I did that.--– Nubis 01:34, 27 May 2008 (BST)

Like I said, wrong guy. I didn't do that, and actually agree with you. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 01:40, 27 May 2008 (BST)

Wow - I'm an asshole! I am so sorry. Yeah, you are the wrong guy. But uh.. Don't let it happen again! --– Nubis 01:44, 27 May 2008 (BST)

No, sir, won't happen again! --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 01:48, 27 May 2008 (BST)

I wastent spaming im a bit new at this so stop taking a fit nubis.--Fanglord2 11:18, 27 May 2008 (BST)

Question about vote on nail gun

The following discussion concerns this suggestion.

Hi - just a little confused about something in your Kill/Change vote for the nailgun. You said it "makes the axe a little too useless, especially with the huge clips." I'm not sure how that is so. The axe, while having the same damage, has unlimited uses - you'll never have to search for more clips for an axe. So that's one thing in favor of an axe. A second thing in favor of an axe is, especially for firemen, they get to START with 25% hit rate, with a maximum of 40% (for 100XP). Compared to a nailgun, which would require them to buy Firearms training and Pistol Training (200XP). Lastly, the clips do weigh 2% each, which make the total weight of a nailgun and an extra clip 7% vs an axe's 6% encumberance. On the benefit of the nailgun, they get to have a higher MAX accuracy, if they spend the XP for it. That's how it balances out. I hope I explained it better about why the stats are as they are. Thanks --Tselita 16:02, 6 May 2008 (BST)

Most people don't start with the Firefighter, so the cost normally is 2 skills, the same with the axe. Like you said, the total weight of a nailgun and an extra clip (giving you 30 uses) is 7%. 1% more than the axe. I hardly call that a difference. Yeah, you have to search for ammunition, but the hardware store has a lot of other useful stuff, so you're going to end up finding nail guns and clips even when you're not searching for them. I'd rather not have the axe marginalized only to the people who don't search the hardware store for other reasons, it's marginalized enough as it is. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 12:00, 7 May 2008 (BST)

Not really sure I agree with you (about hardware stores having a lot of other useful stuff, I mean - what other useful items?), and you missed the part about the higher accuracy balancing out the need to search for clips, but okay. I personally find the firefighter to be the best fighter template though :) Thanks for responding to my question, Midianian! :) --Tselita 13:25, 7 May 2008 (BST)

Yeah, just spray cans, generators and toolboxes. Right, nothing useful. And I didn't miss it, you don't really need to search for clips as you're going to find clips anyway, so the higher accuracy isn't (IMO) balanced by anything. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 15:39, 7 May 2008 (BST)

Oh. I usually look for generators in factories - never really bothered to in hardware stores. Fair enough reasoning. Hope I haven't pissed you off too much by asking you these questions --Tselita 16:35, 7 May 2008 (BST)

Box thing

Something like this? I was actually making that edit while you were making your new comment :P --Karekmaps?! 17:10, 1 May 2008 (BST)

Yes, something like that :). --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 17:15, 1 May 2008 (BST)

Hey, here's a question. Are you ever gonna pick up doing Recently Closed Suggestions again? That made it actually easy/ier to do the scheduled protections related to suggestions and since no one actually puts edit summaries when they are closing them anymore it's easy to miss them.--Karekmaps?! 17:17, 1 May 2008 (BST)

Not until I get back from Slovakia, which is in about three or four weeks. After that, probably yes. Oh, and would you look at User:Loosermass, he's been recently removing pictures from a lot of pages. I remember something about him earlier but I don't really have time right now to look into it. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 17:25, 1 May 2008 (BST)

Yeah, his contribs look like he used to do the exact opposite thing actually, putting images everywhere. It looks like some of the images he is removing, even, were originally added by him. [1]. --Karekmaps?! 17:39, 1 May 2008 (BST)

Moar Numbers

You actually drew me off point somewhere there and I lost my train of thought. So I wouldn't be surprised if I make far less sense sometime after you started adding your comments. This is about Suggestion_talk:20080208_Gunfighter_Skill_:_Dual_Pistol_Use of course, so it might be a safe bet to ignore anything I said after you started commenting as I'm to lazy to go in and look for exactly where it happened.--Karekmaps?! 01:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

You didn't really make much sense before I entered the discussion either. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 10:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


I've noticed you have a tendency of rounding down your numbers when pointing out AP to kill, like you did in this recent suggestion. You really can't do that as the rounded down number is never enough to kill, rounding down means you are dealing less than the total HP, always round up.--Karekmaps?! 08:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

But that was exactly my point. Eleven actions wouldn't be enough to kill you, while twelve would. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 12:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


Have a prize.

Dukeofalbany.JPG Quiz Prize 3
Midianian knows Shaun of the Dead &

would be welcome at The Duke of Albany.

--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Pie.jpg WE WANT PIE!
This user wants pie, if not, you may be in the verge of death...
Rat-ah-tat-tat.jpg Here, have a rat!
Axe Hack has given Midianian a rat for solving the first challenge quiz and for playing too much Kingdom Hearts.

--•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 22:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Huh? Kingdom Hearts? Never played it :P. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 22:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Yea...well...Simple and Clean is it's theme whatever. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 22:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm just a dirty cheater and used Wikipedia :/. Wikipedia is my friend. I'd like to play it sometime, though. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 22:45, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Yea well, I don't care if you use wikipedia or Google. Whatever works, you know. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 15:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Nice Catch

[2] Did I do that? I hope not… really must stop wiki-ing when I'm so tired. :-/ Cheers! ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 11:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

All the spammed suggestions were under the same noinclude-block, it's easy to miss when it's like that. After editing the list, a good way to check whether it's working properly is to click on one of the current suggestions and see how it looks in the voting rules. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 14:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


The following is a reply to this comment.

Damn thanks. Didn't know it was linked through like that. Cheers.--Jarlian 15:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Guy on Giddings Mall News Section

Arsehat doesn't understand NPOV. I'd remove it again myself; but he's threatened A/VB, and I don't want to start drama on there again. Would you mind removing his comment? A copy's already on the talk page.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  20:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks like I was too slow :/. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 20:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


The following discussion is a continuation of this.

I tried to sign all my comments, but obviously I missed one. I'll go put my sig in so he knows who to get pissy at. :) -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 20:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I fix them where I seem them :). --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 21:02, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

You know, I didn't even realize it corrected it to infinitesimally. I was going for infintely harder, misplaced the e, right clicked to correct, and didn't notice I clicked the wrong correction. Guess thats what happens when you get too used to Fire Fox. :D . Thanks again.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 23:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


The following discussion is a continuation of this and this.

I ain't going to put up with it. Deleting someone else's comments is impersonation, and if you do it again, you won't be happy. Treviabot92 04:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

lol --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 04:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually Trevia, it's well with in his rights due to this policy. I'm not so sure about the moving it to your talk page but I doubt that would be considered in bad faith as it's a rule there to keep the discussion easily readable instead of having to hop back between two pages for every reply.--Karekmaps?! 05:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Deleting or moving comments isn't impersonation (unless it's done selectively, which isn't the case here). If it were, anyone who's ever archived anything would be a vandal. I've done it a couple of times before and no-one's complained about it until now. I'm not trying to keep your comments off my talkpage, I'm trying to keep the discussion complete. How about next time I say something to you on your talkpage and you don't feel like replying there, you move my initial comment here and then answer it? I really don't mind which page it's on, as long as it's complete. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 10:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Whatever, dude, you shouldn't even be telling me to stop crap if it's well within my rights to do so. I ain't going to have people move my comments to my talk page without MY specific permission. Treviabot92 22:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

lol --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 22:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
trevia he doesnt need your permission. read the link karek gave above and shut up. midianian, i had the same problem with him, you have my sympathies.--'BPTmz 10:50, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, now I do need his permission for moving them to his page, because that's what his rules say. I doubt it would be considered impersonation, but it would be breaking the rules of his talkpage and that I won't do out of principle. On the other hand, I don't need permission for removing them from my page, but I won't be doing that either unless he really goes over the top. Like shouting in all caps with bold and italics. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 13:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
rules you make on your talk page are not offical rules. at least thats what i was told when he broke mine.--'BPTmz 23:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
No they aren't, but he could still take me to arbitration over it and would probably win. Even if he couldn't do anything about it, I still wouldn't break them out of principle. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 05:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yet again, I wasn't telling, I was asking. Yes, it's your right to post inane and redundant comments, but it's also my right to ask you not to. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 08:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


Why did you do that, it can only serve to cause drama, he obviously doesn't want your comments on his page so you are moving his comments to his own page? That's just bitter, delete them if you don't want to read them but don't post them to his talk when he obviously removed the other ones, all that can serve to do is piss him off more/make the comment impossible to understand due to the absence of the reply chain which you know is gone.--Karekmaps?! 01:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Read my rules, they're not that complicated. And the comment would have been just as impossible to understand on my page. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 02:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Not really, it was pretty obvious it was you he was talking to when it was here, moving it makes him look crazy for yelling at himself/nothing. It changes the content of the post because the location it needed to interpret the content.--Karekmaps?! 02:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, you might be right. My reply does give some context to it. Happy now? --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 02:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

No. Treviabot92 22:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

My Template

Lovely, you're using a variation... (The military one). Wasn't actually made for me neither do I use it. ----Secruss|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA|800px-Flag of the United States.svg.png|EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ|Evil3.gif|MU|GN|C2008|Chippy.gif|23:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Continued from The General's Talk Page

I don't wanna to spam his User-talk page, so i'l answer you question here.

Well, since I don't speak, or write english too well, I will define my word:

Words/pics that insult other users in any way possible.

Don't tell me you never thinked that this place could use a little discipline?--  Savant  Chit-Chat  19:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Who gets to decide what's insulting and what isn't? The one being insulted? I could just as well say your post insulted me. Would that make you a vandal? --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 20:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

You can say this post insulted you, but other can decide am I a vandal, or not.--  Savant  Chit-Chat  20:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

You didn't answer my question. Who gets to decide what's insulting and what isn't? --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 20:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Uh, forgot... umm... the user that gets insulted.--  Savant  Chit-Chat  20:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

But then if I claimed your post was insulting, you'd be a vandal. Or do you mean there would be someone who could over-rule my claim? --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 20:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

No one could over-rule your claim. Your claim is your claim, and no one can change it. But, as I said again, if you claimed that my post vas insulting, and you reported it to A/VB, it still comes to the others to decide whether it was vandalism, or it wasn't vandalism.--  Savant  Chit-Chat  20:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

PROTIP: being insulting isn't vandalism. It could, if a request to stop has been made and ignored, be grounds for Arbitration however. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 20:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
The discussion is about a potential rule which would make it vandalism. Don't butt in others' discussion without reading it first. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 20:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
A potential rule which has been suggested at least twice before. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 21:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I know that. I'm trying to get him to realize for himself why such a rule can't work. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 21:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I already did with just that one comment. See my talk page. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 21:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
No you didn't. He just says that currently it isn't vandalism. I would prefer him to understand why it never should be. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 21:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you'll ever be able to crack that nut, to be honest. He doesn't seem smart enough to be able to see things from others' perspectives. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 22:06, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Please, do not judge my smartness from these words. Behind these words, stand real people, and it would be a shame if we judged others only by words. Anyways... I was giving my perspective on this matter. And I think I somehow understand why insulting other people isn't vandalism, beacuse sometimes, someone has to let certain things go, rather than keeping it inside. (and beacuse for many more reasons)So, in conclusion, (you somehow made me think about it) insults can never be rated as vandalism.--  Savant  Chit-Chat  09:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Don't judge you by your words? How else am I supposed to judge you over the Internet? Your ping? --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 09:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
My actions (well, don't include the last one :P), and the actions toward other users.--  Savant  Chit-Chat  12:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

So, you're saying the sysops would decide if it actually was vandalism? You know, there's a reason why the sysops are called sysops and not moderators. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 20:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I Laughed

The following discussion concerns my comment on this arbitration case.

Thanks for that comment on the Arbitration xD Fair enough he was allowed to delete my comments but the way he went around them was wrong. Seriously though, thats gotta be the most epicest thing I've read on the wiki up to now xD----Ash  |  T  |  яя  | 16:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Why, thank you :). --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 16:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

lawl yuo r so funnay mid!111!2eleventy!1 --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 17:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 17:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I love it when people play along with sarcasm and think they're delivering a killer comeback. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 17:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Like you did? --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 17:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

You were being sarcastic when you agreed with me? --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 17:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I was being sarcastic. "What are you, a two year old?" isn't exactly the wittiest insult imaginable. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 17:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't consider that kind of insult sarcastic. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 17:22, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Not quite what I meant. I wasn't referring to the insult being sarcastic, but to me agreeing with you (that the insult was funny) being sarcastic. Do you follow? --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 17:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, now I see... except I don't see how that proves you right. Nevermind; this conversation is becoming intensely depressing. Agree to disagree, for the sake of both our sanities? --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 17:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Put plainly: when I said "Like you did?" I was referring to my "Indeed." being sarcastic and you playing along with it and thinking you're delivering a killer comeback with your "I love it when people play along with sarcasm and think they're delivering a killer comeback." and me loving it :). --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 17:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


The following discussion concerns this vandalism report.

I had just explained the five week old circumstance of that comment that was made. The Beatbox Kids are long forgotten. That was an obvious fake in the first place, followed by an obvious joke that STILL contained the ridiculously ( and definitely obvious) fake signature. Mate I had every intention of removing it. Now it is gone. Good day.--MichaelRead 15:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Then why the hell you didn't just remove it in the first place? Impersonation is never fun, even when done badly. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 15:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Um...well I didn't remove it for two main reasons, one, I don't think it should count as impersonation as it is so blatantly not Finis, and Two, because who the hell gives a rats ass about a shitty page made five weeks ago? It's pretty obvious hes been snooping around the wiki pages trying to find an excuse to bring up a fight with me again. He found a very, very weak chance and subsequently made a very, very weak effort. It's the people like you who give him what he wants. I put the conflict to bed months ago. He is being an ass by trying to bring it up again, and by getting so serious about my "no sense of humour" line, you've given him a reason to. Just ignore him, I can guarantee you that it is for the "betterment of the wiki".--MichaelRead 15:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

And this could have been easily avoided if you hadn't done the "no sense of humour" thing. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 15:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

And another thing, I don't care in the slightest if you don't find it fun...I found it fun while sitting around a computer with my friends from the old Beatbox Kids(who I am best friends with in real life, and have been for a very long time) and poking some obvious fun at a guy who couldn't care less five weeks ago. So, yes. It was fun.--MichaelRead 15:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Guess what? I don't care in the slightest if you found it fun. Impersonation is still impersonation. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 15:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not arguing with you anymore. This is stupid. If you can't wake up and see the whole picture clearly, then don't get involved in it in the first place. I will not be returning to this page, if you wish to pursue this any further, you can make your way to my talk page, I'm more than happy to sort it out there. Good Day.--MichaelRead 15:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

How many times do I have to say it? Impersonation is wrong, no matter the reason or circumstances. Good riddance. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 16:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I Need Your Vote

You are very welcome to look at this suggestion (that you helped to create) and vote for (or against) it. -- John RubinT! ZG FER 11:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

A Wild Idea

I am not sure if you could be interested in something like this, but I would be happy if you could look at it and tell me what you think. -- John RubinT! ZG FER 23:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


--Funt Solo QT Scotland flag.JPG 20:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Removing Suggestions

Please tally the votes too. --Karekmaps?! 22:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Tally how, what, where? I just looked at what was done to my suggestions and did the same to them. Is there something I missed? --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 08:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Just a little note at the bottom telling how much of each vote type was received and announcing that voting is over, just be useful and I'm pretty sure it was done at one point.--Karekmaps?! 09:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

None of my suggestions have it and 6 suggestions randomly picked from Undecided and Rejected didn't have it either. I've seen it in the old suggestions but I don't think it's been used after the system was changed. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 09:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I know it's been used on the new individual pages at least a few times but am too lazy too search for it, it's a shame considering it's a very good habit.--Karekmaps?! 01:41, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Stop Kidding Yourself

The following discussion is related to this suggestion.

You said: "I just lost what little respect I had for Grim."
Who are you trying to kid? You never had any respect for me :P --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 11:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't like you, but that doesn't mean I couldn't respect you. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 11:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Pool Cues

The following discussion is related to this suggestion.

Thought you might appreciate this after our discussion:

Pool Cues Go Unused in Bar Fight —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jon Pyre (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.

lol. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 20:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: Observation

That's a fair point. But I still want to know how it functions. It seems odd to buy a skill that only works if you have one of three other skills. Because that means that if you only have that skill it's kind of useless. Which is why I felt that it should require one of those three to be available for purchase (someone might buy it and not know that it didn't work without the other skills). But I do understand the usefulness of this skill and it's something I wouldn't mind seeing in game, changing to a hesitant keep. - Whitehouse 21:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


The following discussion is a continuation of this.

THERE! ITS FIXED! HAPPY NOW? --Loosermass 12:25, 20 October 2007 (BST)

Yes, I am content. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 12:30, 20 October 2007 (BST)

No Suicide for Zombies

I have update my vote for your suggestion. If they can still leave the building (and it only costs 1 AP to get back), then I don't see a problem with voting keep. --Ryiis 15:14, 16 October 2007 (BST)

Zombie Suicides

The following discussion is a continuation of this.

And here I was thinking that "Meh" meant no great like if voted in the keep section, and no great dislike if voted in the kill section. :P.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 19:57, 14 October 2007 (BST)

Well, yeah, that's what it means, but I would still like to know why you dislike it. And your new justification isn't much better :P. For example, if I can't think of a real reason to vote kill, then I abstain. Or think harder :). --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 20:06, 14 October 2007 (BST)

You should make the rules a bigger. Like 10 size or something. My bad about that. :). I always have a good reasoning behind my votes, but I also like to play games with the voting system. It's still technically justified, so I'm still safe. :). Mainly because while I don't use suicide, quite a few of my friends use it all the time. They'd be sad if it got removed, and then I'd have to hear them whine and complain that they can't be jumpers anymore. It'd get annoyoing, fast. :).-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 20:11, 14 October 2007 (BST)

You have friends who tend to suicide as zombies? Interesting... --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 20:18, 14 October 2007 (BST)

Suggestions and Stuff

The following discussion is related to this suggestion.

Funt Solo is quite the ass, eh? I got sarcastic with him on my whiteboard suggestion -- which is a no-no, to get snarky with kill voters, I know -- because his kill vote was simply idiotic... he basically didn't even read the suggestion, or he was on drugs when he did so. =P Meh, don't worry about it... I voted kill for your suggestion, sure, but I had a reason, even if it was same as Grim S.... Cheers! And, don't let the twats get to you... --WanYao 15:36, 14 October 2007 (BST)

I do have quite the ass, yes. Thankyou for saying so. ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ --Funt Solo Scotland flag.JPG 11:56, 15 October 2007 (BST)

Glad you were appreciative... --WanYao 17:13, 15 October 2007 (BST)

Steal Away

The following is a reply to a question I made on Talk:Suggestions.

Do whatever you want with the 'speed of life' idea. Good luck to you sir!--Rosslessness 21:01, 1 October 2007 (BST)

More Dynamic Fights

While I wish I could be less vague concerning numbers there could literally be dozens of different %s for different bonuses. Heck, no reason why bonuses need to be fixed either! Maybe you could get +X one time and +Y another, all randomly generated within a certain range. Maybe Kevan would tweak percentages to be higher for zombies after giving a new skill to survivors, then lower it again once he slightly decreases search rates somewhere else.

I am very specific on what I want though. Random event happens, a button appears listing a different attack, you choose whether or not to press the button. The kernel of the idea is what I want to get to Kevan's attention. --Jon Pyre 18:41, 27 September 2007 (BST)

It's the "listing a different attack" part that's too vague. If the bonuses aren't fixed, then you should tell us the range. I'm all for more random events in a fight (I did suggest the stray bullets), but yours is just too vague. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 18:58, 27 September 2007 (BST)

Ruin & Barricades

The following discussion concerns this suggestion.

A death cultist gets himself infected, enters a building, barricades until he dies, stands up as a zombie, then ruins the building. Smiley 11:25, 28 August 2007 (BST)

Changed my vote accordingly. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 11:58, 28 August 2007 (BST)