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Flak Jacket Suggestion

Sorry for bugging you, but it does nerf mall camping, for one simple reason. The only place you can find flak jackets is in Forts and Police Departments. You cannot find them in a mall, hence people have less incentive to stay in malls due to the fact that the flak jackets will expire soon. They have to leave to go to PDs and Forts, far away from the malls.--ShadowScope 19:47, 1 June 2007 (BST)

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Racism

No, there's no rule against racism on the wiki. Surely you agree, however, that we're all better off without it? -- Pavluk A! 00:10, 11 September 2007 (BST) I agree, but I was merely saying that the much vaunted free speech of the wiki applies in that area as well. Nalikill 00:41, 11 September 2007 (BST)

I believe in freedom of speech. If someone wants to make a statement like "I believe that all members of <x> race are stupid/dirty/warlike etc", I won't agree with them but I'll acknowledge their right to hold that opinion. However, if they start using abusive ephithets or slurs to refer to members of that race, then I'll take issue with it. There's a difference between free speech and hate speech. -- Pavluk A! 00:49, 11 September 2007 (BST)
Hahaha, no there ain't. Once one accepts the concept of 'hate speech' as a crime, that then implies that, in the eyes of the law, the way they believe is wrong-which is a judgement the law has no right to make, only the people- which means you're judging their beliefs...exactly like they are doing to yours.Nalikill 03:33, 11 September 2007 (BST)
but we all have a right to be treated equally. hate speech, while "allowed" under right of free speech is not allowed under right of equality.--'BPTmz 07:06, 11 September 2007 (BST)
My point? I believe in the philosophy of free speech that goes "Sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me. And since words can never cause physical or economic harm to a person, I believe hate speech should not be restricted- just as I believe 'coming out', rap, premarital sex, catholicism, and satanism should not be restricted. For me, the two are on the same level of stupidity, but I tolerate both. As long as they do not attempt to cause any economic or physical harm to me or to anyone else, I believe they should be left alone. Nalikill 11:34, 11 September 2007 (BST)
but what about mental harm? people have gone on shooting rampages because they were teased mentally.--'BPTmz 20:39, 11 September 2007 (BST)
That's what 1.Guidance Counselors are for, and 2.Parents. Parents are to blame for not seeing the symptoms in their children, for not knowing their children's hobbies and not raising their kids right. If you mean adults, there's a little thing called 'maturity.' Anyone who goes on a shooting rampage usually gets what they deserve- a.k.a., getting shot down like a dog, as they have made themselves one by forgetting the one thing that seperates us from animals, impulse control.Nalikill 20:56, 11 September 2007 (BST)
true, however that was just one example of how mental haterd can harm people. i agree with what Ryiis wrote futher down on this page. i do know alot of countrys have laws againest hate speech. canada being one.--'BPTmz 21:56, 11 September 2007 (BST)
1.Canada sucks anyway. 2.I'm a US citizen, thank God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. See my reply to him for my last response on the subject. Nalikill 22:06, 11 September 2007 (BST)
Hey guys, I didn't mean for my comment to come across as a racist comment and I am not ,in any way, shape or form, a racist. When I said "that" I referring to the taliban, the terrorist group. I wasn't trying to bash the iraqis, afghans, or any other race from the middle east, but anyway, I crossed out my comment and apologized on the suggestion page. --Sonofagun18 07:01, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Don't want to pull an Akule, but...

Actually, I won't at all. However, several countries do have legislation regarding Hate Speech, and the UK I am sure is one of them.

To be honest, Hate Speech is no-where near the same as Free Speech. A couple of users have went over this with you, on their talk pages and yours, as well as the deletions page for the religious suggestion that you took offense too. Race cannot be changed, it is something you are born with. Religion, Political, and Socio-economic beliefs are generated by Sociological interactions among other things - they are inherently different in that they can change overtime.

I respect your opinions, as they are your opinions and no one elses. However, I can question your convictions and belief structures as it is those things that are malleable. Race is something someone is born with - something in which they had no choice. There is no way to change it, and discrimination based on it is wholly wrong.

Words can cause physical and economic harm. I hate to bring it up, but the Second World War and the Nazi Regime of the time is a tarnished example of how Hate Speech can lead to physical harm. As well, words can cause economic harm - and your can protect yourself from such things - hence Libel/Defamation lawsuits and the like. Yes, my example for physical harm is one where words were indirectly the cause - however it was still a cause. Defamation and Libel are direct results of words causing economic harm. --Ryiis 21:36, 11 September 2007 (BST)

We both have the rights to our opinions. I'm not going to argue it. I'm a United States citizen. I can go out on the street and yell "I fucking hate niggers, spics, crackers, jews, wetbacks, and towelheads!" if I want to. I believe that I would be wrong if I did, but I'd fight to the death for my right to do it. Nalikill 21:38, 11 September 2007 (BST)

Hey.....

Youy wana go spam Akule's talkpage with thousands of copywrigted images? Childish, but it'd be a right laugth....--Seventythree 23:39, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Feel free, but I'm already a bit of a controversy raiser. I'm going to keep my head down until october, when I'm going to get that warning purged, and I'm going to run for sysop status. Would you support my bid, if I did? Nalikill 19:57, 8 September 2007 (BST)
You can run for sysop? Didn't know you could do that. Sure, I'd back you.--Seventythree 13:50, 9 September 2007 (BST)

Communism Versus Capitalism: Get your seats now!

You take the opening salvo, 73. Nalikill 22:39, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Ok, let us begin. Hem. Firstly, you said in a coomunist country? We've never had a communist country. The closest we had would probably be either Cuba or the USSR. Both countries in question are (or where) in a state of state capitalism. Which is the state before a leader of the prolateriat takes charge and returns the means of production back to the workers. This is, of course a deeply flawed part of the ideal of communism. Now, let us start on capitalism! To begin with, we do not live under capitalism, as laid out by such founders as Adam Smith. We live under impusle driven consumerism, ruled by conglomerotes of Industro-millitary companies constantly trying to force more and more products down our throats, whilst exploiting the working classes more and more. Adam Smith himself set out that if people of the same trade get together to fix prices it is a crime againgst the people. + Now, I do not beleive that communism could work out at the moment, however neither could capitalism. They're both deeply flawed. I mostly called myself a communist because most people don't know the difference between a communist and a socialist! To you, Nalikill--Seventythree 22:52, 6 September 2007 (BST)

Okay. "Industro-millitary companies constantly trying to force more and more products down our throats, whilst exploiting the working classes more and more. Adam Smith himself set out that if people of the same trade get together to fix prices it is a crime againgst the people."- Exploiting the working classes, I'm not sure HOW. It's not like people are forced at gunpoint to accept goods from one source, or even goods period- look at the Amish, whereas in what is commonly called communism, people ARE. You're right, it's not PURE capitalism, but it is a capitalism DERIVATIVE- Pure capitalism is just as bad as the USSR or Cuba was/is- look at the horrible working conditions from 1865-1930 in the USA- I believe in 'Capitalism with a Safety Net'- A free market, but
  • Companies must tell the truth
  • The Government must prevent people from dying; short of that, the government has no debt to the people
  • No discrimination- if you work hard, you earn more, no matter what you believe privately or are.
  • People shouldn't suffer losses because of another's stupidity- if a bank fails, people should be compensated. But a gamble- stock market or in a casino- the person acknowledges the risk
  • Companies have worked hard to get where they are, and don't deserve to have their earnings stolen from them just because they are successful- so taxes on companies can and should be significantly higher than on normal people- but not over what is necessary to run the government.
If I understand you right, you believe in 'Ideal' communism, if it could be implemented. However, would you agree that among currently possible societies, "capitalism with a safety net" works out to be best for everyone? Look at the USA- even the poorest person here is assured of income from the welfare office, has food kitchens all over the place to go to eat at, homeless shelters if they can't afford an apartment- and the definition of 'working class' in the Western world- which has almost universally adopted either "mild socialism (CWASN but with more governmental assistance" or "capitalism with a safety net" means you have a TV, computer, Ipod, and more luxuries per square inch than our fathers had in their entire homes? Nalikill 23:06, 6 September 2007 (BST)

So, we're talking about some level of socialism here. Interesting. However we are going to have to borrow more socialist concepts for this to work, are we not?

  • Firstly, companies are amoral. It's not their fault. Companies are like sharks. They will try their hardest to exploit anything they can in the interests of profits. For this you need goverment intervention in companies. A strict set of laws, coupled with a strong body to implement them and punish the companies in question. If it can be implemented worldwide, how brilliant would that be? Say cocacola poison another village in india or wherever. They think they're safe because they've broken no Indian laws, then every country with a coca cola headquaters or place of operations in it levvies a huge fine on them!
  • It is in the intersts of the goverment to provide more than just a saftey net. A national health service is a must, goverment schemse to promote education, the creation of the welfare state ect. This is not just a question of morals, a better educated, healthier and more satisfied public allows for a safer, more secure society. A goverment should represent the needs of a society, it is voted in and maintained by the society and it is their duty to look out for people.
  • You hit it on the head with the discrimination thing.
  • You're right, people shouldn't suffer because a bank goes under, but they do, why? because banks and companies gamble on the stock market. And of course are occasionaly do bad things with money (Enron). Best way to elimintae this? Not by having to compensate every screwup a company makes but by imposing tougther legislation on companies.
  • Yup. Companies should not be taxed too much. Neither should they fiddle the books as much as they do (legaly in most cases, becasue the people who make the tax rules are mates with the owners of big companies) to dodge tax. Part of their success is due to the country they operate in. They owe the people of that country.

Over to you.--Seventythree 23:28, 6 September 2007 (BST)

It seems we agree on a lot of points. We agree in the essentials, but differ in implementation. I'm a strong believer in national soveriegnty; for instance- let's take the current US/China lead poisoning scandal. If the US wants to punish Mattel, it can very easily do so- either it can make a treaty with China or put a tariff on Chinese imports until China punishes Mattel. If there were a supranational government with the authority to punish any government or corporation- let's say that the chairman hated America and Americans. You see the problem? The more power is centralized, the more room for personal bias there is. And the cocacola example is wrong, if they sell poisoned coca-cola to a distributor in india, they're still liable, if I remember right- and that holds true, a company, by selling its product to customers directly, or to a distributor in a country, makes itself liable to that country's laws. So Mattel can still be civilly sued under US laws, in my example. "It is in the intersts of the goverment to provide more than just a saftey net."- Well, I had meant to imply that free education- through High School- was included, as well as healthcare for the poor. Anyone who's not poor has the choice of investing in healthcare, or risking their lives for the extra few dollars in their pocket. So I believe the government needs to protect people from others harming them, and the incapable from their own incapability, but not the capable from their own stupidity.
My theory is, the more power we give the government, the more we depend on it, the more power it demands so it can better care for us, so we depend on it more. I have an essential dislike of the power of the national government, but a belief that state governments (provincial governments) are big enough to avoid personal vendetta, but small enough to care for all the interests of their inhabitants.. Nalikill 23:39, 6 September 2007 (BST)
However, my theory is that I'd rather invest more power in a goverment that we should have some controll over by voting than in the large industriomillitary companies that seem to run a lot of stuff at the moment. Mind you, it's like so many ideals isn't it? It relies on people to act like good human beings. And unfortunately people in charge seem way too eager to sell their soals (if we have them) and sell out the people they are supposed to guide and help. As a socalist I have to beleive that people can become better than they usualy are.--Seventythree 23:45, 6 September 2007 (BST)
I can handle someone being a socialist. I just hate communism- its implementation at least- so devoutly, that I cannot let the claim of someone being a communist go unchallenged. Will post more detailed reply later. Nalikill 00:34, 7 September 2007 (BST)

Arb ruling

Hi Nalikill, there is a case pending on the vandal banning page against Grim s because he got into a discussion with you here on your talk page in violation of an arbitration ruling. Normally he would be punished for doing this, but seeing as it seemed to be a fairly good natured conversation I thought it best to leave it up to you if you want any further action taken. Could you please let us know on the A/VB page, or my talk page? The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talkcontribs) at 03:57 6 September 2007 (BST)

Suggestion

I'm sorry, I did not mean to offend you, but my suggestion realy was not supposed to be offensive to christians, merely the minority of fundamentalists that give the rest of you a realy bad name. I do understand that 99% of christians are good people, and as such I will write an extra little disclaimer into the suggestion. If you are realy not satisfied with this, then I guess I could remove it. Once again, I'm sorry to offend, that realy was not my intention.--Seventythree 08:47, 28 August 2007 (BST)

I am a Young-Earth Creationist, fundamentalist, conservative, evangelist christian. Trying to convert people and the whole bit. I am, however, in the TOP High-school in South Carolina, I have a good shot at getting into possibly Yale or West Point, depending on which one I prefer, and I am virtually guaranteed a free ride if I go anywhere else- in the 10th grade, before any serious preparation, my SAT score was 1420- not counting writing. If you count writing, it was 2020.. So remove it. I ain't stupid, neither can you call my kind stupid. Nalikill 11:55, 28 August 2007 (BST)
I have to say, your comment strikes me as odd. Intelligence isn't only about SAT scores or other measures that humans have invented. Infact I belive them to be a fallacy of true intelligence. May I ask why you belive that your blunt statement above basicaly saying "I'm smart, so remove it" should work? I haven't see you at any point explain why you belive that the suggestion is offensive. Seventythree made it quite clear that he was talking about a minority of Christians even before you kicked up a fuss about it. The fact that you placed the suggestion into the deletion queue before even talking to him about it just shows that you fail to try to get both sides of a story before making a decision. Much like the type of people that Seventythree was making fun of in his suggestion, they always think their way is the only way and will doing anything to get it. If you are offended by anything I have said, I can honestly say I'm not sorry. But I will not stand by while you make unfounded demands of someone who is trying to open up a reasonable dialogue. - If Jedaz = 15:16, 28 August 2007 (BST) then pi = 2 + 1
I genuinely do not think that fundamentalist christians are stupid, that part was a joke. What terrifies me is how close minded they seem to be (note I said seem. I realy don't know you well enougth to make that kind of judgement about you). If you read The Handmaids Tale by Margret Atwood, you might get an idea about what exactly I mean. I honestly do not beleive that you are stupid, or evil for following the fundamentalist christian faith, I do, however beleive that you may be misguided, but that is beside the point. The point is that now I can't delete the suggestion, as I probably would have (it's not the funniest thing Iv'e ever written) if I thought it realy offended you. Now it has to go through voting, discussion ect. You should take part, It does everyone good to discuss their faith, and occasionaly see it ridiculed.

If you realy want to, you could always post a suggestion ridiculing something I beleive in, like Communism, or Feminism, or Equal Rights or something.--Seventythree 18:29, 28 August 2007 (BST)

Ok, fair enougth. In the title I will change it to Far right "christian" version (with christian in speech marks) And adda disclaimer stating that No offense is intended to christians in this suggestion, merely people who use their so called "christian faith" to propegate hatred and violence towards others

Either I will update it if I get the all clear from you, or you may update it yourself and link to this statement if anyone criticises you for it. I beleive that good faith edits are allowed, and you have my permission to make this one.

I hope we can put this behind us, I wrote a bit of a daft suggestion, mostly out of anger at certain minorities amongst the christan faith, and you beleived that I was referring to you. A simple mistake, and one that I am glad will be rectified shortly. I would love to get into a debate with you as to the nature of the bible, and religion (I am fairly well read in the area) however, this is not the place. I'm glad we seem to have agreed.--Seventythree 11:44, 29 August 2007 (BST)

I don't hold it against you personally... I took it a bit too harshly, and I was afraid this might give a wrong picture to those who don't know what fundamentalism is. Nalikill 00:06, 30 August 2007 (BST)
well, i've gotta say, I'm very glad that we can put this behind us. I realy don't like all this arguing and such. It serves no real purpose. I will change the situation as I stated, when my computer stops playing up. Probably to-morrow.--Seventythree 00:14, 30 August 2007 (BST)
Right. Updated the suggestion as I said I would. --Seventythree 19:09, 1 September 2007 (BST)

Creation thingamajig

Hee hee hee. Young Earth Creationist. You do realise that the same stuff that we use to date the earth to 4.6 billion years or so is the same stuff upon which we built our technology and power. If you truly believe the earth is 10, 8, 6 or 4 thousand years old, then you should stop using the technology that proves you wrong. Anyhow:

Explain Sediments. Without using Noahs flood. That opens so much crap for you. First of which, how did they feed so many animals on board a ship so heavy that the technology of the time couldnt withstand just the animals? Where did the dung go? Wouldnt disease have been rampant? How do you explain the massive craters found in the sediments (And im talking kilometers across). Did you know that water transfers kinetic energy very well, unlike air? Its how Hydraulics operate. Basically, for the duration of the flood, for these craters (Which have been proven to be impact events, through various testing, including, if im not mistaken, testing for increased concentrations of the element, Iridium, which is very uncommon on Earth Surface) to have formed, they would have had to have landed progressively during the alleged flood. One of the biggest was several kilometers across. Such an impact, during a global flood, would have obliterated everything on the surface due to the massive supersonic tidal wave that would have circled the entire globe. Then we have radiometric dating, which, even though in the cases of the longest lived elements has an error margin of several million years, the timescales involved deal in billions. How do you explain Cosmic Background radiation? How do you explain intergalactic distances of up to 13.6 billion light years being visible? Why can we see anything that distant at all? How do you explain cosmological Red Shift? How do you explain Quantum Physics? Quantum Physics are experimentally and mathematically proven to be correct, but they boggle our brains. We cannot grasp the way things work down that small. particles being in two places at once as well as being a particle and a wave at the same time. All this is way out of our league, yet we are somehow created in the image of a creator, and thus should, at least, be able to grasp concepts such as QP as well as it would. How do you deny the colossal arrogance your religion implies in saying that WE are the one sentient life form in the universe, when the universe contains an estimated 125 billion galaxies, each containing over am hundred billion stars on average? (So, basically, 12,500,000,000,000,000,000 different star systems, each of which had their own accretion disc and is probably orbited by a set of planets, be they rocky or gas giant (though i would feel pretty safe in saying that at least half have rocky worlds, be they habitable or not). I could go on and on for hundreds of pages, but id rather not so heavily inundate you that you simply ignore it all. --The Grimch U! 13:49, 3 September 2007 (BST)

Prove to me that Carbon 14 dating is accurate. Nalikill 14:31, 3 September 2007 (BST)
Where did i say Carbon 14? Why the fuck would i use that to date the earth? Thats fucking stupid. It only had a half life of about five and a half thousand years. Use the right element for the right job. No, im using fucking Uranium. The most common isotope, U238, has a measured half life of about 4.47 billion years (Do basic physics to figure out how we find out half lives of elements, or look it up in a physics textbook at the local library, or you could just use wikipedia). By measuring the amount of Remaining start product as well as the amount of material from decaysed Uranium in a rock (Or Zircon Crystal), we can tell what proportion of the original product has decayed, and from there, using the half life value obtained, we can tell how old the sample is. Now, you could claim pollution in the samples threw off the reading by a few million years, and you would probably be right, however, the calculated margin for error is way, way too small to put a dent in the 4.6 billion year age we have for our planet. Also, pollution levels cannot be expected to remain roughly consistent across the entire planet, yet we get very similiar dates, particularly for testing of the contents of Zircon crystals, from all over the planet (FYI: Zircon crystals are closed systems, and once formed, cannot be penetrated by later pollutants, or at least, cannot be penetrated by pollutants and then survive till now). --The Grimch U! 14:52, 3 September 2007 (BST)
Okay, fair enough. Uranium then. I'll accept the half life part, only an idiot wouldn't. How do you know how much the rock started with?Nalikill 15:52, 3 September 2007 (BST
I covered that in there, but basically, when Uranium decays, it does so through either alpha (Ejects a helium nucleus) or beta decay (A Neutron decays into a Proton, an electron, and a neutrino), and these chains can and have been mapped out by scientists. Basically, they measure the amount of U238 left, then they measure how much of all the daughter isotopes are left, and they then have a nice figure for how much was there originally. As i said above, there may have been some of these there already, but even then, they can only throw off the reading by a few hundred million years at most, and when dealing with billions, thats really negligable. Also, as i mentioned before, contaminant levels across the world are unlikely to be uniform, and the results taken from zircon crystals are fairly uniform the world over, though there are sections where you find even older ones, usually fartherst away from volcanic activity, such as Australia. --The Grimch U! 16:05, 3 September 2007 (BST)
But what about molten lava, where the rock is mixing up with other rock? Because it's mixing up its daughter isotopes and U238 with itself, and the existing rock, how can you be certain of an accurate figure? Nalikill 16:12, 3 September 2007 (BST)
As i said, before, such amounts would be small, and certainly not enough to throw off the result by enough to make a young earth valid, especially given the rarity of the vast majority of the daughter isotopes in nature. A lot of them are highly unstable. Some of them last just microseconds. Also, as i said before, the presence of such pollutants would not be uniform, as we see with ages gained from ones all over the world. --The Grimch U! 16:21, 3 September 2007 (BST)
Prove to me they would be small.Nalikill 16:41, 3 September 2007 (BST)
Get a chemistry data book, and look up the half lives of the Uranium 238 chain. The vast majority have half lives measured between days and microseconds. A quick search turned up these two useful links: Decay chain. Radiometric dating. Anyway, basically, the second link states that Zircon will form with Uranium, but it wont form with others (This is actually a pretty common occurance in chemistry. not everything will react with everythingn else, and some are more reactive than others), as such, you get a rather pure original sample to go on. --The Grimch U! 16:58, 3 September 2007 (BST)
Wait, now I'm confused. You said earlier that the daughter isotopes would allow you to figure out exactly how much U238 you started with, but now you're saying some of it dissapears so quickly it would be small in amount? So how can you be sure the daughter isotopes will be an accurate measure of how much you started with? Nalikill 17:13, 3 September 2007 (BST)
It doesnt dissapear. It breaks down through further radioactive decay into other elements, and the whole system terminates at lead, which is stable. Since everything in the decay tree (AT THOSE ATOMIC MASSES) is considered a derivative of U238, and because they are filtered out of Zircon formation, unlike the parent element, by measuring how much of all the daughter products is in the crystal, you can find out how much uranium has decayed, and then compare it to how much is left, and you get an idea of how much was there in the first place, as well as what proportion has decayed. You then simply draw a line out towards the radioactive decay curve on a graph at this proportion, and where it intersects that curve, draw a line down to the time axis, and you have a date, typically in billions of years. --The Grimch U! 01:41, 4 September 2007 (BST)
Okay, but then, after enough time, wouldn't the daughter isotopes break down into something innocuous that would be naturally present in small amounts? Nalikill 03:37, 4 September 2007 (BST)
No. They go to Lead. As the article i liked you to states, Zircon is highly resistant to forming with lead. You have a rather pure sample of U238 to begin with, and the lead that forms inside as a result of radioactive decay is kept there as it cant escape. Even if it did, this leakage would make the sample look younger than it really is. As a result, you can very very accurately date the time of the crystals formation. In most cases, this is between 3.9 and 4.3 billion years, though there are older ones that go back 4.4 (found in Australia), and the Acasta Gneiss, a formation in Canada, dates back just over four billion years. Its pretty much proven without a shadow of a doubt that our world is about four and a half billion years old. Furthermore, from the matter in our star system, our planet is definately orbiting at least a the very least a second generation star (A star formed from some of the debris of a much larger stars supernova). The heavy elements in our planet, and visible in the emission spectra of our sun, prove that our system is composed of debris from an ancient supernova (Supernovae are where elements heavier than iron are forged), and the largest stars are currently estimated to last several billion years before they burn out enough of their fuel to trigger a supernova event (Thats really, really complicated. I suggest you look it up if you are interested). In essence, this pushes the age of the universe as a whole back a lot farther than just the age of our world. On top of that, by measuring the red shifting of galaxies found in the hubble deep space fields, we can measure back at least 13.6 billion years we know have gone by for sure, plus whatever it took for what we see that far away to have formed. --The Grimch U! 07:23, 4 September 2007 (BST)
Anyway, the reason creationists attack Carbon dating rather than Radiometric dating is because Carbon dating makes a few assumptions Radiometric dating does not. Radiometric is pretty much impervious to any serious attempts to disrupt it, because the only way to discard it and its results would be to call a very large portion of both physics and chemistry lies. This is something the average creationist who understands those subjects is hesistant to do, because it would mean a lot of our stuff shouldnt work if they were lies. --The Grimch U! 07:33, 4 September 2007 (BST)
So if I understand this correctly... the crystal forms in the middle of ore...Considering how small the crystals are, couldn't lead contamination be a problem? Nalikill 11:38, 4 September 2007 (BST)
No, they dont. They condense from lava flows. And lead contamination cannot be a problem because as it crystalises it resists lead. Thus, the initial content of lead would be small to none. Especially that early in our planets history. --The Grimch U! 12:06, 4 September 2007 (BST)

votes

I answered your question to condrakka Here. I understand you read the rules a bit differently but the usage is correct. Don't let it stop you making suggestions. --Vista +1 14:47, 3 June 2007 (BST)

Uh...when you RE a vote...be sure to a a # in front of the comment or it might mess up the vote count. Also RE under the vote that you're REing. It sorta makes it easier to keep track of things. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 15:52, 3 June 2007 (BST)

Hi

I found the first reason for you voting kill on my suggestion really funny, so I added it to my quotes, hope you don't mind-- Che -T GC X 06:40, 10 June 2007 (BST)


Hey, dimbulb. That unassigned report on the Stanbury page, yeah, that was me. And that was made awhile ago. --Doggie 03:17, 9 August 2007 (BST)

NT updates & Danger Report updates

Hi. Just a little thing. When you update the Building Status at (nic) please update the NT Status Map too. thanks.
and see how to update a Danger Report correctly at my Help page -- /// goebiTalkHelp/LFS/SR/NT/MWP /// 13:25, 25 June 2007 (BST)

Communicating with Others

In general, you should not edit other groups' or individuals' main wiki pages directly without prior permission--that is considered vandalism. I assume, in good faith, that you were simply unfamiliar with this rule. In any case, I have moved your comments regarding the FEZ-USAI alliance to our talk page and posted a response there. the Morrish Building 14:59, 26 June 2007 (BST)

Template Overload!

Wow O_o You've got so many templates on your page that they aren't all displaying properly. You might want to consider getting rid of a few, or moving them to a subpage of your userpage. --Specialist290 22:17, 6 July 2007 (BST)

Promotion Page

would you please stop reverting my edits in the promotion page ? you are not only rolling back the parts you didnt like, but also are rolling back how i made it better to read the guidelines for promotion bids. If you have anything against my edits, move it to the promotions talk page, and wait for others to agree with you that my edit is wrong. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 19:56, 8 September 2007 (BST)


The response to the comment you made on my talk page (I also moved it to the bottom. New stuff goes down there).

Not at present, no. It is my opinion that you are too swift to seek sysop intervention on things, and take things a little personally. Sysops need thick skins, and i dont think yours is thick enough.

Give it some time. --The Grimch U! 03:12, 9 September 2007 (BST)

Hows it going

Recently you sent me a message calling me unbreakable man. I think you have me confused for someone else.--Scout 2107 03:55, 10 September 2007 (BST) If you dont mind, i dont like dead weight. Im going to delete our conversation from my page. Also, Am I allowed to delete warnings or am I supose to leave that?--Scout 2107 04:44, 10 September 2007 (BST)

You must leave the warnings. Feel free to delete our conversation, now that I've preserved it for posterity Nalikill 04:44, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Record of a Conversation with a Liar

SO, how you doing?

Mister Unbreakableman? Nalikill 03:46, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Do I know you?--Scout 2107 03:45, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Nope, unbreakableman, just reminding you of WHY those warnings are up there. Nalikill 03:46, 10 September 2007 (BST)

....What? I think you have me confused for someone. Im Scout 2107 in the game.--Scout 2107 03:50, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Grim checkusered you. Found out you posted the humorous suggestion pray. Don't deny it. Nalikill 03:59, 10 September 2007 (BST)

What makes you think I did that?--Scout 2107 04:10, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Check-fuck-user. It checks the IP addresses. Yours and Unbreakableman's came up the same. Ergo, you are unbreakableman, or rather, were. Nalikill 04:11, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Wheres check user? Ill check my damn self.--Scout 2107 04:14, 10 September 2007 (BST)

It is a power available only to sysops, else it might be abused. I do not have that power; by Grim's warning above about 'sock puppets' and his comments about 'unbreakableman' on the vandal banning page, I deduced it had to be you. If you two are not the same, then which sock puppet did you use to post the humorous suggestion, and what WAS the humorous suggestion that was in the wrong place? Nalikill 04:17, 10 September 2007 (BST)

hmm... are you sure he has this ablity? Because the other user page that we were argueing on had a message from grim to the Head admin person asking him if Akule and (I think the name was) Amazing or amazon or something were the same person. Obviously he doesnt have the ability and since I didnt see any message to the admin gut about me I can only conclude that he assumed it was me since 'someone' made a comment on the "humorus suggestion" about it being a troll because of the word 'realizm'. Because both me and unbreakableman both say ours is realistic. Because they ended their suggestion the same way I ended mine makes me think they rather based part of thier joke around my comment or it was just coinsidence. --Scout 2107 04:26, 10 September 2007 (BST)

I'm ABSOLUTELY SURE. D'you know why? he's a sysop. Number 8 on the list. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Listusers/sysop . BAM! And the one thing other than assholes that pisses me off is unrepentant liars. Just admit that you're unbreakableman, and I'll go away and shut up. You know you can't decieve Kevan, the sysops, and the Bureaucrats. Nalikill 04:28, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Then maybe its because hes an ass and hes part of a group that wants to discourage noobs like me from this site!--Scout 2107 04:33, 10 September 2007 (BST)

So you believe he lied, and is deliberately lying to drive you away? Then take it to misconduct (http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct)! Unless I see a case there against Grim S, I'll take it as an admission of guilt that you're unbreakableman, no matter what you say.Nalikill 04:35, 10 September 2007 (BST)

I would but ive read some of the head admins page (like I mentioned before) and grim gets away with a bit of shit. I dont think he cares. And you know what- think whatever you want. Doesnt realy make a difference. Just send me a message if unbreakable posts anything else.--Scout 2107 04:42, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Alliance of Fort Creedy

Nalikill... I've seen you on the Wiki a lot. Do you happen to be part of a group? --Secruss 02:17, 12 September 2007 (BST)

I have a couple of alts. I have one at Fort Creedy-CreedyDefender- when I saw your page, the Alliance of Fort Creedy, I decided Creedy was worth creating an alt for- to defend if need be. My main character is in USAI, and I have a zed alt in a group of my own design, Lack Confederacy Nalikill 03:24, 12 September 2007 (BST)

McZeds

Since when is McZeds "no longer active".

  1. McZeds isn't a group
  2. Go to Vinetown and check out the Tynte Building
  3. Check local tagging in Vinetown

I updated my McZeds status just today when I realized that the page information was incorrect.

I'll ask you to retract the nomination and leave McZeds alone. Thanks, --8 Bucks 22:58, 13 September 2007 (BST)

McZeds is no longer active- NEW McZeds is active. Without an active leadership, I don't think the group qualifies as active. If the wiki says I'm wrong, I'll retract it. Nalikill 23:01, 13 September 2007 (BST)

metagame attacks

Is there an advantage to deleting it myself over just waiting for it to get deleted?

Byteme42 20:30, 15 September 2007 (BST)

I don't think you can 'DELETE' it yourself, but you can 1. Ask if you can, and 2.Ask for it to be deleted. Moving it to a subpage of yours, though, would definitely give you the edge in this whole drama. Nalikill 20:31, 15 September 2007 (BST)
Right. Because he started shit with Jorm, got burned, and ran off crying. If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen. --User:Axe27/Sig 20:35, 15 September 2007 (BST)

Lulz!!!!

And now I laugh because you were banned. See ya tomorrow.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 21:56, 15 September 2007 (BST)

Well done!

You've gone mad! Welcome to the Assylum. We hope you enjoy your stay.--Seventythree 02:34, 16 September 2007 (BST)

Unbanned!

Not quite a template, can't make those properly yet:

Nalikill has survived a smiting with the Ban Hammer!












-- Pavluk A! 16:02, 16 September 2007 (BST)

Strange vote

Why did you vote keep on images in A/D that clearly duplicate others uploaded by author and requested for deletion by author? It's just author's inexperience that they ended up on A/D instead of A/SD --~~~~ [talk] 16:55, 16 September 2007 (BST)

Hm...Okay, if the author requested it, then I'll change my votes to SD. Nalikill 17:14, 16 September 2007 (BST)

Zerging

Dr'Carnage is not mine, i gave him to one of my members called Lukahn. Thnx for asking. (i only run Dr'Spears & Dr'Brainz)--Brainz 23:23, 18 September 2007 (BST)

About removing comments

Well, you were in touch with the A/VB system quite a lot lately, so that's why, i guess, you made this revert. I'm not willing to raise anything about it, but in my humble opinion it was bad faith. You see, that guy posted crap on Kevan's talk page and after 1 reply realised that it was crap and removed it. He was the original poster so he can remove it, it's not vandalism. However now that you restored it there - it has more needless comments and stupidness. --~~~~ [talk] 17:02, 19 September 2007 (BST)

I made that in good faith. I assumed page ownership-no one can remove anything off this page without my permission, and I would assume the same applies to Kevan, and whatever happened to 'assume good faith?' I thought of all people, a sysop would understand that rule, and abide by it.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  22:17, 19 September 2007 (BST)
You thought of all people when brought the crap back up? Original Poster has same rights to remove his own comments as page owner --~~~~ [talk] 06:45, 21 September 2007 (BST)
Llama.JPG The Drama Llama is Watching You
The owner of this page reserves the right to delete trolling and drama at their discretion.

Hagnat:Don't post here. If you need to talk to me, feel free to say "I need to talk to you" and I'll come to your talk page.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  22:18, 19 September 2007 (BST)

In response to the recent incident... (You just can't trust some people.)

HAGNAT, DON'T POST HERE, AT ALL, PERIOD.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  11:46, 21 September 2007 (BST)

Hagnat, one more time and I'm going to arbitration.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  22:22, 21 September 2007 (BST)


Back seat moding

hay there. Please stop saying how we should punish vandals when reporting them or when others do. It's our job to decide on this, not yours. Too much of it just encourages drama -- boxytalk • 15:32 21 September 2007 (BST)

Yeah, its annoying for us real sysops to have to read your pseudomodding. Please only post there if you have something relevant to say about a case or need to make a proper valid report, and before you do, reread the vandalism policy and the Administration Guidelines. --The Grimch U! E! 16:29, 21 September 2007 (BST)
another user used to be highly antagonized for this. He only managed to get some respect from the others sysops when he stoped doing that. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 16:47, 21 September 2007 (BST)
In Nalikill's defence, I think he is genuinely trying to prove he is a responsible editor of the wiki. Would it be possible to post some info regarding how responsible editors who are not sysops can contribute to the wiki usefully?--Seventythree 17:05, 21 September 2007 (BST)
If he wanted to do that the first thing he should do is get rid of this green.--Karekmaps?! 18:56, 21 September 2007 (BST)

Why?

Would you send Ninjas after me? You bastard!--Seventythree 16:49, 20 September 2007 (BST)

Don't Use Fake Edits As A Response

Tacky, for one, and we have talk pages for a reason. For example- this! --Karlsbad 22:47, 19 September 2007 (BST)

A Question

I was wondering if you made any edits to this page. I thought that I'd had all the edits, but you show up on the history tab. Thanks! --Pedentic 00:09, 18 September 2007 (BST)

Yeah, I edited it to fix a small typo that kept it from working.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  00:11, 18 September 2007 (BST)
Hmmm...apparently it still does not function properly. The profile field does not display in the example. Any ideas? --Pedentic 04:08, 18 September 2007 (BST)
What is this template for? If all hope is lost, try Mr Emo Engel.--  AHLGTG 04:14, 18 September 2007 (BST)
I'm trying to make a template that people can use when applying for membership into my group. It is being uncooperative at the moment... --Pedentic 14:59, 18 September 2007 (BST)

Hm...

It's kinda ironic that in your attempt to avoid drama, you took your conflict with Sonny to one of the most drama-centric pages on the wiki. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 13:28, 17 September 2007 (BST)

Cool!

Love the new backgrounds. 2 questions:

  • 1) Where did you pinch it from?
  • 2)where do I get one?--Seventythree 12:18, 17 September 2007 (BST)

look before you leap

while i can see how what me and Zrex244 is an "edit war" you should have really checked both our talk pages to see what was going on before you wrongfully reported us.--'BPTmz 07:39, 16 September 2007 (BST)


Promotion Page

would you please stop reverting my edits in the promotion page ? you are not only rolling back the parts you didnt like, but also are rolling back how i made it better to read the guidelines for promotion bids. If you have anything against my edits, move it to the promotions talk page, and wait for others to agree with you that my edit is wrong. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 19:56, 8 September 2007 (BST)


The response to the comment you made on my talk page (I also moved it to the bottom. New stuff goes down there).

Not at present, no. It is my opinion that you are too swift to seek sysop intervention on things, and take things a little personally. Sysops need thick skins, and i dont think yours is thick enough.

Give it some time. --The Grimch U! 03:12, 9 September 2007 (BST)

Hows it going

Recently you sent me a message calling me unbreakable man. I think you have me confused for someone else.--Scout 2107 03:55, 10 September 2007 (BST) If you dont mind, i dont like dead weight. Im going to delete our conversation from my page. Also, Am I allowed to delete warnings or am I supose to leave that?--Scout 2107 04:44, 10 September 2007 (BST)

You must leave the warnings. Feel free to delete our conversation, now that I've preserved it for posterity Nalikill 04:44, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Record of a Conversation with a Liar

SO, how you doing?

Mister Unbreakableman? Nalikill 03:46, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Do I know you?--Scout 2107 03:45, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Nope, unbreakableman, just reminding you of WHY those warnings are up there. Nalikill 03:46, 10 September 2007 (BST)

....What? I think you have me confused for someone. Im Scout 2107 in the game.--Scout 2107 03:50, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Grim checkusered you. Found out you posted the humorous suggestion pray. Don't deny it. Nalikill 03:59, 10 September 2007 (BST)

What makes you think I did that?--Scout 2107 04:10, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Check-fuck-user. It checks the IP addresses. Yours and Unbreakableman's came up the same. Ergo, you are unbreakableman, or rather, were. Nalikill 04:11, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Wheres check user? Ill check my damn self.--Scout 2107 04:14, 10 September 2007 (BST)

It is a power available only to sysops, else it might be abused. I do not have that power; by Grim's warning above about 'sock puppets' and his comments about 'unbreakableman' on the vandal banning page, I deduced it had to be you. If you two are not the same, then which sock puppet did you use to post the humorous suggestion, and what WAS the humorous suggestion that was in the wrong place? Nalikill 04:17, 10 September 2007 (BST)

hmm... are you sure he has this ablity? Because the other user page that we were argueing on had a message from grim to the Head admin person asking him if Akule and (I think the name was) Amazing or amazon or something were the same person. Obviously he doesnt have the ability and since I didnt see any message to the admin gut about me I can only conclude that he assumed it was me since 'someone' made a comment on the "humorus suggestion" about it being a troll because of the word 'realizm'. Because both me and unbreakableman both say ours is realistic. Because they ended their suggestion the same way I ended mine makes me think they rather based part of thier joke around my comment or it was just coinsidence. --Scout 2107 04:26, 10 September 2007 (BST)

I'm ABSOLUTELY SURE. D'you know why? he's a sysop. Number 8 on the list. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Listusers/sysop . BAM! And the one thing other than assholes that pisses me off is unrepentant liars. Just admit that you're unbreakableman, and I'll go away and shut up. You know you can't decieve Kevan, the sysops, and the Bureaucrats. Nalikill 04:28, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Then maybe its because hes an ass and hes part of a group that wants to discourage noobs like me from this site!--Scout 2107 04:33, 10 September 2007 (BST)

So you believe he lied, and is deliberately lying to drive you away? Then take it to misconduct (http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct)! Unless I see a case there against Grim S, I'll take it as an admission of guilt that you're unbreakableman, no matter what you say.Nalikill 04:35, 10 September 2007 (BST)

I would but ive read some of the head admins page (like I mentioned before) and grim gets away with a bit of shit. I dont think he cares. And you know what- think whatever you want. Doesnt realy make a difference. Just send me a message if unbreakable posts anything else.--Scout 2107 04:42, 10 September 2007 (BST)

Alliance of Fort Creedy

Nalikill... I've seen you on the Wiki a lot. Do you happen to be part of a group? --Secruss 02:17, 12 September 2007 (BST)

I have a couple of alts. I have one at Fort Creedy-CreedyDefender- when I saw your page, the Alliance of Fort Creedy, I decided Creedy was worth creating an alt for- to defend if need be. My main character is in USAI, and I have a zed alt in a group of my own design, Lack Confederacy Nalikill 03:24, 12 September 2007 (BST)

McZeds

Since when is McZeds "no longer active".

  1. McZeds isn't a group
  2. Go to Vinetown and check out the Tynte Building
  3. Check local tagging in Vinetown

I updated my McZeds status just today when I realized that the page information was incorrect.

I'll ask you to retract the nomination and leave McZeds alone. Thanks, --8 Bucks 22:58, 13 September 2007 (BST)

McZeds is no longer active- NEW McZeds is active. Without an active leadership, I don't think the group qualifies as active. If the wiki says I'm wrong, I'll retract it. Nalikill 23:01, 13 September 2007 (BST)

metagame attacks

Is there an advantage to deleting it myself over just waiting for it to get deleted?

Byteme42 20:30, 15 September 2007 (BST)

I don't think you can 'DELETE' it yourself, but you can 1. Ask if you can, and 2.Ask for it to be deleted. Moving it to a subpage of yours, though, would definitely give you the edge in this whole drama. Nalikill 20:31, 15 September 2007 (BST)
Right. Because he started shit with Jorm, got burned, and ran off crying. If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen. --User:Axe27/Sig 20:35, 15 September 2007 (BST)

Lulz!!!!

And now I laugh because you were banned. See ya tomorrow.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 21:56, 15 September 2007 (BST)

Well done!

You've gone mad! Welcome to the Assylum. We hope you enjoy your stay.--Seventythree 02:34, 16 September 2007 (BST)

Unbanned!

Not quite a template, can't make those properly yet:

Nalikill has survived a smiting with the Ban Hammer!












-- Pavluk A! 16:02, 16 September 2007 (BST)

Strange vote

Why did you vote keep on images in A/D that clearly duplicate others uploaded by author and requested for deletion by author? It's just author's inexperience that they ended up on A/D instead of A/SD --~~~~ [talk] 16:55, 16 September 2007 (BST)

Hm...Okay, if the author requested it, then I'll change my votes to SD. Nalikill 17:14, 16 September 2007 (BST)

Zerging

Dr'Carnage is not mine, i gave him to one of my members called Lukahn. Thnx for asking. (i only run Dr'Spears & Dr'Brainz)--Brainz 23:23, 18 September 2007 (BST)

About removing comments

Well, you were in touch with the A/VB system quite a lot lately, so that's why, i guess, you made this revert. I'm not willing to raise anything about it, but in my humble opinion it was bad faith. You see, that guy posted crap on Kevan's talk page and after 1 reply realised that it was crap and removed it. He was the original poster so he can remove it, it's not vandalism. However now that you restored it there - it has more needless comments and stupidness. --~~~~ [talk] 17:02, 19 September 2007 (BST)

I made that in good faith. I assumed page ownership-no one can remove anything off this page without my permission, and I would assume the same applies to Kevan, and whatever happened to 'assume good faith?' I thought of all people, a sysop would understand that rule, and abide by it.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  22:17, 19 September 2007 (BST)
You thought of all people when brought the crap back up? Original Poster has same rights to remove his own comments as page owner --~~~~ [talk] 06:45, 21 September 2007 (BST)

Havercroft Defense Plan

My main point was that all of these are common sense things that a new player who can get inside a mall most likely know already but here is each issue with a link to a guide that covers each point.

  1. are to carry a radio, tuned to the Ackland Mall Security frequency of 27.50Mhz, at all times.
    Ackland_Mall#Communication
  2. are to carry at least 1 First-Aid Kit on them at all times.
    Modern Suburbia: Surviving Level One#Other Important Tips the section entitled Always Carry 2+ FAKs
  3. are to carry at least 1 melee weapon and/or firearm on them at all times.
    First Day in Malton#Axes and First Day in Malton#Guns
  4. armed with a gun should carry at least 3 spare rounds/shells on them at all times.
    Grammatically wrong User:Grim s/Grims guide to staying alive#Suggested Gear explanation for Guns & Ammo section is right about this point but Firearms does explain why you need ammo and Guides:Ranged vs. Melee Weapon Efficiency does it too in greater detail.
  5. should adhere to the barricade plan.
    Currently inaccuracy Ackland_Mall#Ackland_Mall#Designated_Entry_Points explains in further detail
  6. should strive to keep no buildings, especially tactical buildings, ruined.
    Half incorrect, the whole ruin as a marked entry point thing but Ackland_Mall#Ackland_Mall#Designated_Entry_Points explains what is and is not to be defended and Ransack explains why ruin is bad for tactical buildings

- Vantar 01:35, 4 October 2007 (BST)


Speedy deletions and vandal banning

Please refrain from jumping the gun.
Do not put people up for vandalism if there is no indication their edits were made in bad faith. Always assume good faith.
Do not put pages up for deletion when all they need is reformatting. Instead, get up off your lazy arse and format them correctly.
--The Grimch U! E! WAT! 15:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Sysops: Missing or hiding?

Well, seeing as haggie is taking a break, and we know Grim is drunk, that doesn't leave too many active Ops. Someone'll show up sooner or later. No worries yet.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 22:47, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I think I could make it due to the sheer amount of lurking I do around here. That, and I have no real reason to abuse my powers or anything. Yet...;)-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 22:48, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
What? Little 'ole me? I dare say not, besides, I could do that now....Sounds like a plan! Not really! But it would be funny! Lets get 73 to do it! He has less black marks on his record! Why am I constantly using exclamation points!-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 22:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Please contact Me or us before...

I realize keeping the wiki from clogging up is an equally important job as any, but could you please contact me or my group before you put our pages and templates up for speedy deletion? On the other hand thanks also for acting so fast on striking them off the list. Best regards!--  Karth  FoD 19:11, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

We generally put our pages in subdirectories under "FOD", but I didn't think that was possible with the templates and category type pages. If it is, can you please tell me how and I'll move them and put the old ones up for speedy deletion myself. Best regards --  Karth  FoD 19:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the file edit!

Mea Culpa! Yeah, I'm kinda new to the wiki. that was a complete accident.--Cort firefighter 22:51, 16 October 2007 (BST)

Its Grim up north

I think you made a new friend... see you tommorow ;) --Honestmistake 00:09, 11 October 2007 (BST)

Are you a mod? let the mods welcome newbies.--Darkmagic 23:28, 11 October 2007 (BST)
ANYONE can welcome newbies.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:29, 11 October 2007 (BST)

SHUT UP

I know I could remove the below if I wanted to. Shut up. And go to User:Nalikill/Complaining if you're complaining. Complaining comments below will be removed on my judgement.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  11:35, 1 October 2007 (BST) keep it up and i'll add you to the list of kos liek i did to izumi. i don't want to but if you don't stop i'll consider you a KOS.--Darkmagic 23:02, 10 October 2007 (BST)

You ever question why you need an area for people to complain about you? I think you really should, or shoot yourself. Either way might solve the issue. - Pardus 15:41, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Warning

Stop hand.png
Please do not vandalise this wiki. Continuing this behaviour may lead to your editing privileges being revoked.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 22:41, 24 August 2007 (BST)

Banned

Stop hand.png
You have been banned from this wiki for one day for defying two unnoficial warnings and numerous individual calls for you to cease shitting up the Vandal banning page of this wiki with your two cents, which are neithr needed nor welcome, as has been pointed out to you repeatedly. If you have something to say about a case, please post it on the talk page, not the main administrative space. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 23:17, 10 October 2007 (BST)

Why the Test?

To show people that I am unelectable as a sysop.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:31, 5 October 2007 (BST)

You really need to read the rules about promotions, sysops, and wiki procedure. First of all, we do not "elect" people for sysop. The number of positive or negative votes you get is an epiphenomenon, with no effect upon how the promotion is handled. It is rather the arguments stated and their worth, along with a consideration of the judgment of whom is making them. Second, you are using "unelectable" as a synonym of "unpopular" (to at least a nuanced group of people). It would be far more helpful for you to consider a promotion bid as such; instead of remarking whether you are well liked, to consider whether your judgment and abilities are at all needed or helpful in the preservation and maintenance of the wiki. --Karlsbad 00:23, 6 October 2007 (BST)
I read the rules. I used "Electable", really, as a slang term. Forgive me for taking poetic license.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  01:26, 6 October 2007 (BST)
You should just make your bid, instead of doing this? you will get more response, cuz usually people don't watch talk pages. Just come up with a description telling the people who might not be familiar with you, as to why they should vouch for you, give your contributions... and just go for it. whats the worst that could happen? you dont become a sysop?--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 01:36, 6 October 2007 (BST)
Try, "I get flamed by every sysop on the wiki." By the way, if you feel so strongly about doing it to shut up my backup sysoping, feel free to nominate me. I'm just saying I'm too smart to nominate myself. What's that old saying, 'best to be silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt?' I try- and fail big time to remember that rule, but on occasions, I do recall it. And Karlsbad, doesn't it all eventually come down to a popularity contest? Just among the bureaucrats and sysops? Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  01:37, 6 October 2007 (BST)
Seriously man, in the grand scheme of things the wiki isn't all that important. It's not worth getting upset over, arguing back and forth over something thats free... ya know? I know I get a lil too involved with it, and there are definitely people I do not like. So I try to avoid them. Just calm down a bit, and just play the game. Because this is a game. People are supposed to play it to have fun. Why not check out some of the message boards devoted to the game, like Resensitized or Brainstock. Meet some new people, make some new friends and ignore the stuff that's causing you grief. :) --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 03:49, 6 October 2007 (BST)
Dude, what's the deal? You seem to be in the middle of all kinds of drama at the moment, and I'm not saying you're at fault or anyone else is neccisarily at fault but maybe you should be the better man and, you know, walk from this? Cos it seems to be causing a lot of bad feeling.--SeventythreeTalk 23:20, 6 October 2007 (BST)

Something for you to contribute

Well I have an idea for another one of those project type things, Project Block (or something, doesn't really matter). The main idea behind this one is to:

1) Create any location that doesn't exist yet (won't strick out your warning).

2) Make direct links to the proper location, instead of a disambiguation.

3) Add vital information like does it have a bulletin board? Is it a revive point? A group's safehouse? The barricade plan?

4) Make descriptions for the location.

Mmm?--  AHLGTG 03:07, 7 October 2007 (BST)

Project Block is here, join in -- boxytalk • 03:13 7 October 2007 (BST)
So whats wrong with Pashenton? Bad location blocks? And I already block locations, you should too Nalikill!--  AHLGTG 03:16, 7 October 2007 (BST)
There are heaps of streets to do, apparently. Wish they wouldn't change the suburb maps before they've finished the pages... grrr >:( -- boxytalk • 03:28 7 October 2007 (BST)
Sure. I'll help.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  04:15, 7 October 2007 (BST)
You really get stuck into whatever you put yer mind to, don't ya, Nal >:) -- boxytalk • 14:39 7 October 2007 (BST)
Yeah, I try to finish what I start.... and maybe the project could use a new deadline. Say for example october 31st, halloween?  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  14:41, 7 October 2007 (BST)
I'm a bit "meh" on deadlines here. It gets done, when it gets done... no pressure. But we should be done by then, no worries. It's amazing how far along we are along already (if the map is accurate) -- boxytalk • 15:00 7 October 2007 (BST)

Wiki-Lawyer

You sir, are the worst wiki-lawyer out there. Enjoy your new title.

Pacino.jpg Wiki-Lawyer
"I'm out of order! You're out of order! This whole wiki is out of order!"

That is why you were killed by the LNTVC. Here's a joke for you Nalikill,

"What do you call a hundred dead Lawyers?... A good start"

"What do you call a dead wiki lawyer?... Just another zombie. Enjoy your shambling."

Sincerely, --Stephen Colbert DFA 17:50, 10 October 2007 (BST)

Seriously

Grow up. --Stephen Colbert DFA 23:17, 11 October 2007 (BST)

Don't tempt me! You're extremely close to getting reported to A/VB yet again. Don't dick around with admin pages, ffs -- boxytalk • 01:42 13 October 2007 (BST)

Arg!

Now I take you to vandal banning! Nah, not realy. Actualy I quite like it.--SeventythreeTalk 23:46, 12 October 2007 (BST)

Stuff

I know you're probably going to deny it, but if all these recent antics are aimed at being promoted... you're going the wrong way about it. Just thought I'd let you know in case that's what you're hoping to accomplish somewhere along the line. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 09:06, 13 October 2007 (BST)


?

What the hell is wrong with you? It was pretty damn obvious he wasn't done putting up his suggestion, stop trying to fuck up the suggestions process and pick on a newbie.--Karekmaps?! 22:53, 19 October 2007 (BST)

He just needs to create a new page. That's all.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  22:54, 19 October 2007 (BST)
He doesnt. His suggestion is in the right place, and he was still writing it but you guys started voting before he was done with it. You are not making our work easier, Nalikill. And by "our", i mean the entire urban dead community. For some strange reason you have become a huge asshole who is constantly harassing other users for nothing. You claim that you dont want drama, but you are the one who is creating this wiki recent dramas. If you want to remain part of this community, i strongly advise you to stop being a jackass and let people contribute at peace. Otherwise i am pretty sure we can use your spam-cannon as evidence that you dont really have the best wishes of the wiki in your mind. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 01:13, 20 October 2007 (BST)

Jesus H christ on a bike Nali, I just checked the history of that page, wasn't it obvious that the poor bugger was trying to type out his suggestion, and was getting edit conflicted by you arseclowns trying to vote spam on an obvious suggestion stub. For future reference, anyone who wants to remove spam votes that were placed before a suggestion is completed, when it's obvious that it's a stub, is deleting invalid votes. Give people a chance to put up their suggestion! -- boxytalk • 03:32 20 October 2007 (BST)

General grunt of assent --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 03:37, 20 October 2007 (BST)

*repeats the comment he made above* --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 04:25, 20 October 2007 (BST)

About Your Offer to Join

No thanks. Based on your groups profile, it sounds like you guys work too hard! :-) No but seriously, I think I'd rather go solo for now. But thanks for the offer.--Grifton 11:43, 20 October 2007 (BST)

Broken redirects

redirects need to be an internal link try using #redirect [[Radio]] - Vantar 23:31, 21 October 2007 (BST)

Nali/Arb

Look, I'm not sure you're doing the right thing here. However, If you're asking for my help then I will, obviously. If you wish to launch an arb case againgst me, then I guess my point of veiw is that I would rather launch an Arb case agaignst you that meant that you where stopped from editing admin pages rather than kicked off completely. Oh, and your wording was a little odd, is it me that you think is a woman, or SA?--SeventythreeTalk 22:05, 26 October 2007 (BST)

SA, sorry. And I meant, I need your help... by you launching an arby case against me. We can script it here first. Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  22:07, 26 October 2007 (BST)

No offence taken, In no way wpuld I consider it an insult to be thought of as being a woman, after all, I've refused to state one way or another. Oh, and I don't think SA is a woman, seeing as he gives his name as Ben in his account page. Look, Draw up a draft, and I will think about it, and probably put it up to-morrow. I hope you're doing the right thing mate.--SeventythreeTalk 22:11, 26 October 2007 (BST)

Okay. Something Like:  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  22:14, 26 October 2007 (BST)

Well, Why don't you just ask me before you post anything on the admin pages? Cut out the middle man? If you like, I could even post a VB case if you fail to obey. I don't wana see you get banned, after all.--SeventythreeTalk 22:15, 26 October 2007 (BST)

Okay. But that takes all the fun out of having the first scripted arby case. XD  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  22:16, 26 October 2007 (BST)
I'm glad you agree. As Hagnat's statement below, I don't think us all being put up as a vandal will do wonders. Jsut ask me first, Ok?--SeventythreeTalk 22:20, 26 October 2007 (BST)

If you create a mock arbitration case, i am going to warn all you guys for vandalism. Administration pages SHOULD be used seriously. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 22:17, 26 October 2007 (BST)

But it would be a SERIOUS case. It would merely be scripted. I was trying to make light of it as his suggestion makes the most sense and I hadn't thought of it.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:15, 26 October 2007 (BST)
I've asked Hagnat, and he says it's ok for you to post something on admin if you put it past me first. It just means I get it in the neck if I O.K it, and It's not OK. So It's me on the line as well here, ok?--SeventythreeTalk 23:18, 26 October 2007 (BST)
SIRYESSIRSIRIWILLROUTEEVERYTHINGTHROUGHYOUSIR WOULDYOULIKEMETOSHINEYOURBOOTSWHILEDOINGTHREEBILLIONPUSHUPS SIR? But seriously, I will come to you. Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:20, 26 October 2007 (BST)
Sorry If I offended you, realy not my intention. You wanted this, remember. Didn't mean to be patronising, or demanding in any way.--SeventythreeTalk 23:22, 26 October 2007 (BST)
Didn't mean to sound offended. :D I was just trying to make a joke. I try to make light of the situation whenever possible... which is one thing that DOES get me into trouble...  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:23, 26 October 2007 (BST)
Ach, true. Glad you're ok with it. Basicaly, if you go through it with me and I ok it, then I get into trouble, as do you, I beleive. I'll try to get back to you as soon as poss on anything. I'm always happy to help out.--SeventythreeTalk 23:27, 26 October 2007 (BST)

73's argument

Nali's a good guy; he just needs to stay off the admin pages. that's all I'm asking

Nalikill's Argument

I concur with him; I need to stay off, I just can't remember to sometimes.

SA's Decision

Nalikill's gotta go through 73 for admin edits, except for voting, and reporting rampant vandals- page-blankers and spammers.

Comment from A/U

The fact this page is a spam gun is highly relevant, because it is a spam gun, its deletetion is covered under UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Signature Policy which states that "If a signature or template is changed in such a way as to seriously impair the operation of the wiki, the damage may immediately be reverted, or deleted if necessary, and the user who performed the alteration will be perma-banned with no questions asked." Also stated in this policy is that the "Recreating the exact same page that has been deleted before immediately qualifies it for deletion without requiring it be nominated on the 'Speedy Deletions' page." Meaning that regardless of what happens at the Speedy deleteion page the page can and should be deleted so while in normal cases a keep vote forces the issue to A/D this page retains it's delete on sight status. I am aware that the recent DEM rooster was allowed to be transfered to varouis userpages after it was deleted but UDWiki:Administration/Speedy_Deletions/Archive/Sep-2007#Crit_6_2 I am aware that the recent DEM rooster was allowed to be transfered to varouis userpages after it was deleted but was due to copyright clarification the legitamisy of the orginal deletetion was being questionsed. This is not happening with this page so the DEM rooster is not a vaild comparision. - Vantar 03:28, 27 October 2007 (BST)

Admin pages stuff

Ok, Considering the recent climate I would not take Boxy to Misconduct. Let's face it, we all got a laugth out of that template, so It's served it's purpose, and I would strongly advise againgst anything that could be seen as antagonising a sysop. Template isn't worth being banned for, after all.

Second point, Moving the item in question seems to be (if it's all within the rules) a minor thing. LEt someone else take care of it and stay off the admin pages for a bit, even for non-contraversial stuff would be my advice. Lie low, and only use the pages if it's absolutely neccisary.--SeventythreeTalk 18:43, 27 October 2007 (BST)

Nice to see you're back, and doing stuff mate.--SeventythreeTalk 19:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

ASS

there is already a [historical] group named ASS. Pick another one for your lousy siggy. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 22:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmm....Nope, don't think I will. Kind of you to offer, though. It's my sig, my choice, there's no rule against me abbreviating Assylum to ASS.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

the arby on your user

are you high?--Darkmagic 02:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Move Requests

A/MR exists for a reason. The User pages you put up for speedy deletion and group sub pages that aren't subpages like Military Law should be placed there rather then moving the page your self or asking the the author to move it them selves..

sysop

True, but even taking that into consideration, I'm not going to even think about running untill TZ's bid is out of the way, after all, I'd ahte to jepordise TZ's bid because people think we've somehow arranged it, or o something.--SeventythreeTalk 23:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Group recruitment page

Just to let you know mate, you jumped the gun a bit reverting Whitehouse's work on the group recruitment page. The user in question has been amintaining the page pretty much single-handedly and knows what they're doing, and did what they did for a good reason. It's all sorted now, but you might want to mesage people before automaticly assuming what they've done is wrong.--SeventythreeTalk 19:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Re somethingsuch

Only two applicable againsts, I doubt I convince them, but that's alright. The other few being a Vouch that has an against reason and an inactive sysop who came back after that new policy discussion that removes inactive sysops.--  AHLGTG 03:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikicide? Mass killing of this wiki? If I'm correct, there was an article on that in Wikipedia, before it was deleted.--  AHLGTG 04:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Nevar1!--  AHLGTG 04:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
er, suicide or promotion?--  AHLGTG 04:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Should I try to impale myself on bad formatting, or an ugly stream of code?--  AHLGTG 04:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Or better yet, take the content from {{:Suggestions}} and other pages! Nothing wrong could possibly come from that.--  AHLGTG 04:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Lern 2 indent, Nali :P And now I'll use that template that they're trying to flush as unused :) -- boxytalk • 05:19 6 November 2007 (BST) When replying to a comment already laid on the page, remember to indent it correctly: do it by inserting as many colons plus one to the message you're replying to at the begining of your message, like this:

==Message title==

Your message

:User's reply

::Your reply

This then appears as:

Message title [edit]

Your message

User's reply
Your reply





Bear Claw Resistance Force

This was my brothers group ,but he has decided to join mine insted and since he lost his password for his wiki user account he asked me just to delete it, but if this is a problem, i will just leave it alone, but just so you know it has disbanded.

Colin WMD

Your sig breaking numbered list formats

Your obnoxious sig is breaking the numbered list formats on the suggestions page. Please change it to something that doesn't break the wiki, or I'll be a twonk and report you to A/VB. --Funt Solo QT Scotland flag.JPG 08:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

link. Point 2 on the not allowed list. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 09:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

User:Nalikill/Developers

Any point to it or did you just want to get on Special:Longpages? - Vantar 23:16, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I have posted it for speedydeletion. The userspace is ignored by that tool, so its impossible for a user or user subpage to get on there (My talk would be at 18, FYI). --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 03:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletions

Please don't RE every single delete vote, as it could be considered abusive. You know that. And with your new sig, someone is probably just waiting for you to slip up. Oh, and did you enjoy your ban? Wheres my souvenir from the real world?-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 23:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

RE:User talk:Muffinmanmix09

The wiki is meant to be open to all people so please refrain from quoting scripture at people (even the vandals) , and as a side note, since you are quoting Leviticus I assume you will be killing all priests that wear glasses (Leviticus 21:20) and are a vegetarian (Leviticus 3:17) - Vantar 00:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

No, (3:17) because of I Timothy 3(or II Timothy 3, I forget which); that's also why Catholicism isn't christian. And like you said: Refrain from quoting scripture at people. :D  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  00:41, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
To leviticus 21:20: It says BLEMISH of the eye. I wear glasses; but have no BLEMISH on my eye. Read it some time.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  00:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
To leviticus 3:17 says "neither FAT nor BLOOD"; nothing of MEAT.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  00:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
What version are you using, I used New International Version so

leviticus 21:20 is "or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles." and leviticus 3:17 is 'This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live: You must not eat any fat or any blood.' " and you quote is from II Timothy - Vantar 00:49, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Unofficial Warning

The administration staff would like that you stop editing administration pages, placing advices to the administration team on how they should do their job (popularly known as "backseat modding") and making silly comments as known vandals alts get banned (known as "feeding trolls"). It's the job of the administration staff to deal with vandals, and sometimes the wrong choice of words can escalate a simple vandal into a running vandal, like PQN and Gold Blade. The administration staff is responsible for these pages and how to deal with vandals, and by adding your opinion and comments (sometimes, silly comments) on cases might offend those reported. Since you have shown no interest on following previous administration requests to stay away from this course of actions, i am giving you an unofficial warning. Continuing this behavior might earn you a permanent warning and/or your edit privileges revoked. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 13:13, 1 October 2007 (BST)

Unofficial warning number 2

Please refrain from shitting up the Vandal Banning page with your ignorant comments. You are not a sysop, you have no right to pass judgement on the page regarding cases under consideration, or past cases. It can only lead to drama, and shits up the page for real sysops. If you want to be a sysop, go to the promotions page and try out. Until you have passed muster there, keep off the VB page unless you are directly involved in a case. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 21:02, 5 October 2007 (BST)

The second you fucking get a policy change saying NONSYSOPS CANNOT POST ON THE VB PAGE I'll be sure to do that. The second YOU QUOTE ME THE RULE I'M BREAKING I'll stop breaking the rules. The GUIDELINE IS A GUIDELINE, WITH NO FORCE. Otherwise, GTFO of my talk page and of the VB page.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  21:04, 5 October 2007 (BST)
Um, I'm not realy coming down on anyones side here, but 2 things spring to mind. Firstly, Is it realy a good Idea to post such an angry post, and secondly is it normal for unofficial warnings to go through the main vandal banning page?--SeventythreeTalk 21:40, 5 October 2007 (BST)
Not always. We just put them up there in this case because that is the page he is shitting on. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 21:43, 5 October 2007 (BST)
Again, realy not weighing in on anyones side here, but could we please assume that Nali was working in the best interests of the wiki, and that more may be gained from a proper discussion, as opposed to a slagging match? --SeventythreeTalk 21:45, 5 October 2007 (BST)
We could, if he had not been told previously on two earlier occasions, one of which was directed to him personally, to stop crapping up the admin pages. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 21:50, 5 October 2007 (BST)\

Seriously, Nalikill, run for sysop. Can't be a backseat sysop if you are in the front seat.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 22:03, 5 October 2007 (BST)

It's a point. Personaly I fail to see why you would want to be a sysop, but if you like that sort of thing, the logical thing is to run for sysop. --SeventythreeTalk 22:32, 5 October 2007 (BST)
Okay, I'll hold a test vote here. I put it in order of shortest to longest section Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:31, 5 October 2007 (BST)

Good Intentions

Good Intentions? ORLY ? Then why did you put Watson's images in your user page, told him about it and, when he removed them from your user page, put him for vandalism ? You were acting like a troll, and were trying to drag someone underneath your bridge. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod]

Because he needed to get the stick out of his ass about it.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  20:32, 1 October 2007 (BST)
If you don't stop that sort of stuff, someone's going to insert one in yours... and it wont be small, either -- boxytalk • 14:26 3 October 2007 (BST)


Minor complaint

I know you don't know me from Adam - but your signature is really rather garish and detracts from every page you sign. It's your business if you want your own page to look like a cheap whore's hot dog stand, but for the rest of us, could you kindly tone it down just a little please? Please?--Squid Boy 17:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I look at it and see more of a Pakistani Flea-market sorta thing. He won't change it because it's part of his overall trolling operation. This is yet another reason why I will PK his UD cahracter when I see it. --Stephen Colbert DFA 17:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Your sig...

...is making my eyes bleed and baby jesus cry. It's your sig and all that, but please, think of the children... --Ryiis 17:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Complaint

Well, lets start with this.... I bought a kettle (out of my own money) for work, and two days later, It broke! I want a full refund! (You realise that while you have a seperate section for complaints, I will be bringing any complaint I have, about anything in my life here!) I wouldn't even have known about this if not for recent changes! Nah, just kidding....--SeventythreeTalk 18:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, well I bought a Pot Noodle, and it didn't have any pot in it at all. Blatant false advertising. --Pavluk A! E! 18:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I buy a pot noodles occasionaly..... I think the "pot" part of the name is to imply that you need to be quite seriously stoned to eat one.--SeventythreeTalk 18:13, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and Nali, I totaly blame this one on you, I bought some sea-monkeys, (cos it's good to have some life around the place that hasn't spontaneously evolved from the plates in the sink) and you know what? Not monkeys! They where weird shrimpy things that swam about for a bit and ate ach other. I DEMAND REAL UNDERWATER MONKEYS!--SeventythreeTalk 18:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm

Austin is looking moar and moar like Ahrimmagicks every day...See? And wouldn't that technically be vandalism, as he is not part of the group? Hmmmmm...Oh well! It' not like that little group will actually go anywhere.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 15:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, there is also no proof that he is a member of the group. On the member list, it only lists Zinker and Ahrimmagicks guy. Like I said though, oh well, no harm is being done. If he wants to edit without being a vandal, let him. Amirite?-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 17:12, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and your vote on the Serrated Claws suggestion offends me. :) -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 17:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
His vote was signed. When striking, strike for the correct reasons. :P -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 19:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. And a tip, quit it. It is really annoying, and you do want to be not-so-despised, as you put it, right? I may not have that big of a problem with it, but others do, as seen during the whole Funt/Karek/Cyberbob Vs Sockem edit war.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 19:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, what? I can't hear you over the constant editing. :) . He needs to realize that that information can be considered legit, and that he needs to get his panties out of a twist.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 20:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if it'll stop him though?-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 20:58, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I'm still not at fault. He kept removing information without even trying to talk to me through the proper channels. All he did was try and say "Hey, I'm god, what I say goes. Remove it." -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 21:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
The worst thing that could happen is that I'd be banned from editing that page. Whoop de doo! :D -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 21:05, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, It says so on my user page, I've made many references that I'm a guy, I've stated in many conversations when people make the same mistake as you that I'm a guy, but no hard feelings. :) -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 21:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, It worked for SucidalAngel

Change yer' vote, biatch! :)

Seriously though, might be a good idea to review your vote on the case. This is in no way a threat. Its just that bad things will suddenly happen, like it will sit there for two weeks :( --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 16:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Crit 1 before they've had time to add content(no one has even tried to talk to the creator) isn't cool man, also someone else voted keep.--Karekmaps?! 23:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 04:07, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Grim, you thief. :/. Wow, look at the Columbine Kids meatpuppetry in action.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 14:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

...

Change yer' vote, biatch! :) -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

:D -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:48, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. ;D

He's a rl bud of mine. We mess around like that. Don't take it too seriously, alright? Broken dreamsTalk WT 19:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Your sig

It's breaking every deletion vote, please fix it -- boxytalk • 08:06 8 November 2007 (BST)

Damn he beat me to it!!! sort that nasty sig out you horrid little man ;)
Oh and welcome back! --Honestmistake 10:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

And this is why we check how it effects things before we leave to do real life stuffs.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 11:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I fixed it for you. Your problem: You had a break in between the /noinclude on your nav bar in there and the sig itself. That doesnt make it any less repulsive, however. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 13:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Nali, man, that signature is hideous. Please, consider changing it. Someone might take you to A/VB otherwise. If you want to look distinctive, why not use a (tasteful) animated GIF thing, like Axe Hack or Thari? --Pavluk A! E! 23:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Hm. Maybe if I can find one... and you can help me put it in my sig. And they can't vb me, it aint against the rules to have a hideous sig.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
If it breaks the wiki they can take you to A/VB. Anywho, easier on the eyes now, but still a bit big though.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 23:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Change "talking" to "talk" and "Assylum" to "ASS"--  AHLGTG 00:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Wow,there really must be a god! He has let me come to your page with my retinas intact!-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 00:09, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, this one looks pretty cool. Very relaxing. As to the animated stuff in sigs, I sadly wouldn't be able to help you with it Nali. I don't understand that sort of thing myself. In fact, I'm not really up to speed on colouring stuff in or making sidebars either. Try dropping Axe Hack a line. --Pavluk A! E! 00:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Easier on the eyes, both sig and user page.--  AHLGTG 00:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Much better. I don't have to take paracetomal before I read your page now.--SeventythreeTalk 00:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey Nali, how about toning down on the sig, eh? A small area of colour (just your name, not the whole lineup of links), and lower the height, it's overlapping the line of text above it on my screen -- boxytalk • 23:31 9 November 2007 (BST)

It's still an obnoxiously large block, no matter what the colour, and still overlaps the bottom of the text above it -- boxytalk • 23:37 9 November 2007 (BST)
Could you try inverting the colours? Dark border/text, light background. And a bit smaller border? The large dark block is still very distracting on the page -- boxytalk • 23:51 9 November 2007 (BST)
Or, you know, lose the background thing all together, that just detracts from the sig and annoys people unless it's very well done and/or nearly unnoticeable. --Karekmaps?! 23:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Same goes doubly for borders. --Karekmaps?! 23:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
It's as unobtrusive now as it's ever gonna get.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, oh well, it's still too much for my liking. I like the colours that way, but it's still a huge line of colour that catches the eye as soon as you open a page. Sigs are meant to be unobtrusive, and tt'd be a pity if we had to ban the use of all coloured tables in sigs because we couldn't self regulate ourselves -- boxytalk • 00:08 10 November 2007 (BST)

What do you see when you read this page ? All i see is blue blue blue. Yous signature should be something plain and simple. so that people could simply ignore it as they read your comments. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 01:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

All I see here is the pot callin' the kettle black.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  01:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
What does that matter if both are black?--Karekmaps?! 02:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Good point. Any ideas on how to make my sig more subtle? I could remove the color from the last bit, the links...  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  02:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Less links definitely, you should never need more then 3, and they really shouldn't be longer then your name. Also lose the border or make it much smaller. Oh and the background stands out from the regular white and off-white pages too much.--Karekmaps?! 02:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

News

I'll heed your warning =) Not gonna try being stubborn here. --Fireswordfight 01:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Mentor mentoring a mentor to mentor

Well, you can start out by saying "hello" and telling them you'd like to be their mentor. It's a good thing to ask if they need any specific help on anything or just the basics. You can always check through what other mentors have done for some inspiration too.--  AHLGTG 20:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

moo

Don't jump to conclusions, remember what Hagnat? said. Wait until there is very clear indication or vandalism.--  AHLGTG 23:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey. Nali

I was just looking at the blinking templates and was wondering how you use them. austin 00:25, 15 October 2007 (BST)

You're Wrong

Here, if it doesn't need voting in it doesn't need it out but even then, it should never have been added in the first place and just causes drama. If you want it too actually exist go for a policy vote.--Karekmaps?! 23:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Well that and it was a community decision too remove it with only one dissenter.--Karekmaps?! 23:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Vote

Do it on the the Category:Suggestions talk page, at the top. Doesn't need a new page or anything elaborate, I think.--  AHLGTG 00:55, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't go at the top.--Karekmaps?! 00:56, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Bottom, whatever.--  AHLGTG 00:56, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Wrong category, haha.--  AHLGTG 01:04, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Take your time! Do not rush this Nali. It is important. Slow down, consider what you are doing, consult the community first, decide upon the right change to propose, and only then do you put it to a vote, alright -- boxytalk • 01:06 18 November 2007 (BST)

Yeah, sorry Nali. I've been too vague.--  AHLGTG 01:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Are you looking to get banned?

You saw what happened to sockem. Keep out of it, FFS. Let others handle it -- boxytalk • 12:26 18 November 2007 (BST)

Cruise Control

Even with Cruise Control you still have too steer.--Karekmaps?! 15:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Jeez... get that one down to Forensic. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 15:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back

You should be unbanned at this moment. It's not that i like you, but i would like to welcome you back to the wiki. Try to behave and get those warnings striken, or next time you can say goodbye. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 17:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

See? Hagnat doesn't like you at all. I think he wants to kill you, or the two of you can put your differences aside and kill me. --Brian Barbera 21:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Random spammer. Ignore please.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 21:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

No need. Already banned. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 21:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Continued cease-fire, so I can enjoy what little free-time I have for the rest of the week?-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 21:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Well you can get on that UDWiki:Image Categorisation stuff. --  AHLGTG 01:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Categorisation Stuff

Welcome back Nali, but please, don't just put page elements on every page... put a bit of thought into it -- boxy talki 23:51 19 December 2007 (BST)

If you put something in a sub category of page elements, such as icons, there is no need to place it in page elements as well. Only the lowest on the category tree -- boxy talki 00:13 20 December 2007 (BST)

Deletions

Please stop spamming it with old groups pages, Crit 12 was removed for a reason.--Karekmaps?! 00:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Slow down?

Hey, it's good to see you back and all. The enthusiasm is obviously still there, and I know you are trying to get to your 250... but maybe you could slow it down? By slow it down, I mean take your time when making an edit to be sure that you are doing it right. I'm not going to lie, I'm not a super amazing editor - but at least take a moment to breathe :-) Cheers --Ryiis 21:21, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Just so you know, it doesnt matter how much you edit these days. due to a recent guidelines change its still a few months for the warnings to go away, just edit normally instead of spamming edits in an attempt to hit 250, especially since you have two whole months till you can get a warning struck. Going overfast will probably end with you banned again for a stupid mistake made in haste. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 23:34, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

In Game

It's not ingame if it hasn't happened yet.--Karekmaps?! 00:05, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Austinmagickalrrnd00dzors

You read my mind. You'd think he'd stop yanking my stuff by now, as he knows I'm waiting for him to come back. Oh well. He's a fool.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 04:23, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Nope, I tend to avoid that place. But if I were still playing, I'd join in on the slaughter.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 04:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I had to take a break. I barely have enough time to come here every few days, let alone actually play the game. Too much RL stuff.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 04:33, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Nope, and thats not even my real name. It's my nickname that everyone that I know thinks is my real name. It's actually Tyler. :D -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 04:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
1 2 3 not it!-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 04:50, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Kind of tired right now. Just finished my girlfriends present today, after working on it for a long time now. If you haven't figured it out by tomorrow, I'll look at it. 'K?-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 04:54, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Someone forgot to unprotect all of your subpages, by the way. --  AHLGTG 05:07, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's really big text. It'll do that. --  AHLGTG 05:08, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Hardly

I wouldn't call it vandalism, more miss-information, its not like i wrecked your page, i just changed a date, it was just a bit of harmless fun but you had to go and report me, poor show.:(

I'm dissapointed in you.Super Six One

Category:TooMuchDrama

Welcome back from your ban. I'm cleaning up Special:Wantedcategories and I have a quick question about your template, Template:EnoughDrama. Would you mind if I removed the "inculdeonly"ed category tag for Category:TooMuchDrama? - Vantar 11:28, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Azface

This wouldn't happen to be his in-game profile, would it? --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 14:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


Creedy

i added it the zombies i could see and got about 250 (closed the calc, but it was around there) but i couldn't get in everwhere, so i assumed it was a bit low - admittedly, i included the zombies outside the gatehouse, which arguably is not in the fort, but given it's ruined there is no impediment to them getting in there when they choose. to be accurate i will re-edit to 'more than 200'. --Lardass 19:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

What efficiency!

Categorizing an image in the same minute as it's uploaded? Now that's fast! --Toejam 21:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

RE: Sydoop

Yeah, right now isn't the best time. 3 up at the same time... might annoy a few people. I don't think you'd have to wait a year, though. A few months, mayhaps. --  AHLGTG 23:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


Gun vote template

Why don't you change the text to be in your own words. Surely you can come up with something, copying word for word, someone else's reply is pretty lame -- boxy talki 00:50 14 January 2008 (BST)

I think the only reason he did it to begin with was because I did it. And it annoyed Grim, obviously.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Stop playing sysop

You heard me, quit it. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 03:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

The Key Difference Being

That I've stopped caring. I've moved on to NW, so I can finally now start saying what I really think to people rather than having to watch my mouth all the time. It's rather liberating, actually. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 01:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Arbies

No offense Nali, but you're not really helping. At all. I'd seriously just walk away from the case if I were you. It'll work itself out.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:13, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Yea -- boxy talki 01:38 6 January 2008 (BST)

Re:Bashing Back

Just made some minor edits concerning numbers at various buildings.--Blanemcc 03:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks from ORCA

Thanks for for filling in the section on my groups wiki page I forgot to undo--Th orcaavatar2.pngORCACommander GDI-P UDA | CNC Modder 02:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Thx

I'll keep that in mind. I'm not in the best of moods today. Omega 22:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Fall of Creedy

The page looks good, I wikified it a bit but there is not much more it needs other then a category (I'll put it to category:events later). I don't have much info on the events but as more survivors stop in my safehouse I'll update accordingly - Vantar 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

promotion guidelines

I believe the rule you are refering to is "We define this as a minimum of three other users (preferably users with at least 200 edits under their name and at least one System Operator), willing to vouch for the candidate's suitability for the role." Note that the bit about needing the sysop is after the preferably. with 5 vouches from establish users he has in fact met the "Indication of trust in the candidate" requirement and should be moved down so please stop reverting the move.- Vantar 02:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Premature

Well... Maybe. But there are well over 250 zombies in the fort, more on the way. 100+ inside the gatehouse. Pretty much all of the survivors are wounded as well. Fort Creedy is screwed.


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Stalker.jpg Quit Following Me!
This user thinks their wiki contributions are being stalked by Nalikill.
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How you did? Well... Good?
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Edit

You seem to be right, from what I can see. The impersination alone should be enougth to get it struck. I'm not too sure how POV the news usualy is on the fort page, that might not be such a problem, but I would certainly stick by your revision and possibly contact a sysop (boxy, grim or hagnat spring to mind) about wheter it warrants a vandal banning, after you drop the offender in question a line, that is.--SeventythreeTalk 20:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed

I find it odd we agree on something. Anyway, the template is still not done, neither is it for me. I want to join the army, but due to my total lack of physical mass, may settle for an Air Force cubicle.

I suppose that's what basic is for...


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¡¡¡Muchas Gracias Mi Amigo!!!

Oh, no. Thank you for advertising it!!!

This will sort out the men from the boys in Fort Creedy. The boys will leave... We'll kill the men!

Despite you warning, over 120 sheep have been slaughtered. Congrats. And also...
http://z3.invisionfree.com/AoFC/index.php?showtopic=49
Still, nobody cared.

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Random

I hope that you didn't try comparing the differences to see what was added/removed. -XxXD3M0NIKXxX 05:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

lololol It was that wiki table goatse I had mentioned before. I just felt like doing something out of boredom. I figured it was not against the rules to vandalize my own page, and that someone might risk getting banned to remove it. -XxXD3M0NIKXxX 05:17, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair Nuff

I suppose you are right, but don't you think your actions are un sportsman-like?--Thekooks 14:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

WTF

Umbrella Corporation does support PKing. I will stop editing the page as long as you let that be known. -XxXD3M0NIKXxX 20:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

At least I'm not putting a wiki-goatse table or something extreme on there.XxXD3M0NIKXxX 20:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Projects

Other than the usual witch-hunting and flaming, not much really. We've got this neat little thing though. Ask boxy about it if you want to.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 21:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Generally standard practice to protect a "vandal"'s pages. But I didn't know yours was protected. Huh.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 21:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey Nali, Good to see you back! Um, well there's the image categorisation project that needs a lot of work, SA has inked to it. Other than that? I dunno.--SeventythreeTalk 12:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


RE: Promotions

I was wondering if you could provide a bit more information as to your Against, I know why Kamden is voting against, he's actually complained to me on the RRF IRC about feeling slighted from the two A/VB cases and a belief that I had "Thrown him to the dogs", I can actually go into detail of certain past incidents with most of the users who voted against(such as Kirsti who dislikes me because I accuse Brainstock mods of a blatant bias on Brainstock and I view DEMON as cheating or Dylan Mak Tyme who had a run in with me when he was trying to get Sonny Vandal Banned and Boxy demoted when he ruled Not Vandalism). I ask because if there is something that I can work towards fixing I'd prefer to know.--Karekmaps?! 04:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

BBC article

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/BBC/Conflicting_View_about_the_fall_of_Fort_Creedy

If you don't mind, would you read this and tell me what you think. I read that you were one of the first to try to warn others of the attack. Your insight would be greatly appreciated. --Les Nessman BBC 17:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Silverman Pictures

I put them up on my user talk page, and just linked it through from the group page. I hope this is an acceptable compromise? --Dhavid Grohl 04:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Wait, Can I put them on the TZH page or not? I want to, but I thought you were telling me not to. I will NOT put them on the LNTVC page, even though I want to haha. --Dhavid Grohl 05:00, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

+1?

Yeah, it's ok to move stuff from A/SD to A/D if you disagree with the deletion. And it might do better if you changed the content so it wouldn't qualify as a duplicate.--  AHLGTG 02:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Arbitration

Hello Nali, Just a quick question regarding the current case in arbitration, I'd be grateful if you would anwser. Have you conducted any Arbitration cases before your most recent one? --SeventythreeTalk 13:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

He has not.--Karekmaps?! 18:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, that's a nice little tool you've made there Karek. Thanks!--SeventythreeTalk 18:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Cyberbob has finalised his opening argument. If you would submit yours sometime soon I would be grateful. --SeventythreeTalk 14:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

TZH and Dhavid Grohl

I will allow you to arbitrate, sure. The guy is in the wrong. Just tell me where I need to be. --Dhavid Grohl 23:20, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Wait a second, what about the second issue. The BRRC griefing issue. TZH still maintains that the Malton Skeet Club is making war with the Brain Rot Revive Clinic... in fact they did so until the BRRC practically doesn't exist anymore. BRRC was in pippard building first, long before MSC was ever there. They provided an incredibly valuable service to the Blythvilles and only took up 1 of 4 NT buildings in the area. Most suburbs can get by with ONE NT, this suburb has FOUR. TZH has long asked the MSC to relocate to a different NT in South Blythville of their choice, and allow the BRRC to use Pippard for open-rotter-revive functions. This was one of TZH's problems from the beginning (it was the reason the BG and BRRC had them on DNR lists...). There remain to this day BRRC members both active, inactive, and allies of the BRRC who wish to see Pippard returned to its normal state. ONE of FOUR NT's isn't too much to ask for in South Blythville.--Dhavid Grohl 23:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Nalikill, I will wait to see what the MSC says in response to this request. IF they move, our apology and response will be more than generous, I imagine you will agree.--Dhavid Grohl 04:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thought you might find this interesting, considering the whole MSC/BRRC/Chimera thing going on right now. I understand it has no impact upon how my case turned out, but still worth noting:

Look down the list, check out the report on JCS

Its not a screenshot, but we have no reason to believe that its faked either. Seems he may not be as non-hostile as he claims to be. --Dhavid Grohl 04:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Another interesting recording... --Dhavid Grohl 04:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

So wait, did you mean what i posted on YOUR page, or on JCS's page. I moved the one on JCS, but the one on your page was between you and me.--Dhavid Grohl 05:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

A/VB

It's already been ruled by Hagnat, has it not? --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 10:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Your new goal

If you'd just stop giving into temptation and getting in your little digs, you wouldn't be staring down the barrel. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 10:55, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Appologies

Sorry I only just realised the page I was meant to be editing redirected there. For future reference how did you undo my changes? I was trying to figure out how to do it. --BoredBadger Thats alright, I've setup the page I was editing now as a subpage of my group. Sorry for all that.

Comeback

Breaking news! UD wiki contains news about Urbandead! XD Anyway, no prob m8, I'm cool The man 00:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Now im confused

A player may choose to use a Pharmaceutical Grade Stimulant on an injured party. The subject who receives the Stimulant will see who administered it to them only if possessing the Lab Experience skill, and will suffer the effects of the Stimulant when he or she takes their next AP. The party will see a message: " ------ injected you with a Pharmaceutical Grade Stimulant." The subject then has the option to use a First Aid Kit immediately and suffer no ill effects.

If a subject does not possess the Lab Experience skill, his or her behavior will become unpredictable with their next AP taken without warning. If he or she uses a FAK, the effects will cease. If not, the effects will last until he or she runs out of HP or finds a First Aid Kit, the same as if infected with Infectious Bite.

So you Cant inject another? Whats does this mean then? Ive lost it entirely.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Striking Warnings

We can remove a warning of yours in 2 days (Jan 18). Remember to ask a sysop about it, or you might find yourself banned for a year in your next successful vandal case. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 12:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Pretty pointless really, even if he gets a warning struck in a couple of days, I don't see him lasting more than a month without doing something stupid enough to get a couple more. Sigh... **goes off to polish the bannhammer back up in readiness for the inevitable** -- boxy talki 12:25 16 January 2008 (BST)
Well, atleast he will have some room to breath... unlike his current status where he is trapped inside a one-nail-missing coffin. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 12:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Its missing two nails. The coffin would be sealed if/when he gets permad --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 12:43, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
It's missing one nail. If he ever gets permaed, he will then be buried. And i thought you had a arby ruling saying you couldnt post on nalikill talk page... havent you just commited vandalism by breaking said ruling ? --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 13:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
That arby ruling was annuled by mutual agreement on A/VB months ago. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 13:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, it was ignored because we didn't want to apply the rules to the letter. Ironic, in more than one way -- boxy talki 13:09 16 January 2008 (BST)
It's fairly well established that an arbitration ruling may be nullified by a mutual agreement. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 13:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Not so much if you remember what was involved in that case.--Karekmaps?! 13:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
It's mainly ironic because Nali could have quite legitimately had Grim warned for something incredibly minor and not really bad faith... but he was willing to ignore his breaking the letter of the law, as it should be... something that is sadly lacking around here at times -- boxy talki 13:20 16 January 2008 (BST)
It was a case about the limitations of Arbitration and Arbitration's purpose, not vandalism.--Karekmaps?! 14:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the limit was set at the point where Nali decided to let grim off the hook, and that it was totally lame to wikilawyer someone into a corner, and get them warned over a technical piece of vandalism... wtf don't you see as ironic about that, given the past couple of day? -- boxy talki 10:50 17 January 2008 (BST)
No the limit was set at the point where there is no conflict, anything else is misinterperting the case. Nali asking Grim not to be punished just furthered that point.--Karekmaps?! 14:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
You know what's really ironic? That one who works so damn hard to maintain his perfect image so he can hold on to his 'crat seat would work so hard for such a petty point. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 15:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Dude wtf?

Seriously dude wtf? You seem to be trying to stir shit up for no reason at all. [1] [2] "I'm begging you to take it to Arbitration" and "Please, take him to Arbitration instead." Are you deliberately trying to get an Arby case or something? This could be perceived as Vandalism, or at the very least an attempt to rile people up. Seriously, what was the point? -- Cheeseman W!RandomTalk 23:20, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

If Ghrol had beef with the guy, especially if he was repeatedly vandalising the page, he should have taken it to VB as its not up to the Jack guy what they put on their page. They own it. Not him. He has no case whatsoever. -- Cheeseman W!RandomTalk 23:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Ah. Ok. I apologise. Even then, if its eye for an eye then they are only hostile if you are hostile to them. Really no reason to get worked up over it. -- Cheeseman W!RandomTalk 23:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

arbys

you have been accepted by both parties. might i suggest moving alot of the chatter to the talk page?--'BPTmz 05:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

POV

I counted at least 10 pro-survivor POV articles in that listing. The nature of the Giddings Mall page is more along the lines of broadcast news, and I broadcast the news that I have killed 22 (to this point) defenders in Fort Creedy/Giddings Mall during this prolonged battle. That news, as pro-survivor news, needs to be heard. I'm not a hard person to get along with, and I don't want to cause you trouble since it seems to find you. I'm reposting, if my message is removed again, I will report you for vandalism. I'd be willing to chat more about it if you want, though. Take care! --Donathin 19:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I edited my post to remove all direct POV, falling insync with the necessary, official protocol. I hope this suffices for you dude. :) --Donathin 19:40, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Right, I'm caught up now, I'll try and have a chat.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, my appologies for not replying sooner. I was just about to put him up on A/VB when you did. Seems that he went against AHLG and has replaced his original post which was made, but I see you deleted it again. If he does continues in the future and threatens you with A/VB I'll see if I can get there a bit sooner. Thank you for asking me anyway. Acoustic Pie 20:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

a/vb ruling

ehm... since when am i a sysop? --~~~~ [talk] 21:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

a/a

I think arbritration is meant for wiki affairs, why are you asking about in game affairs? Surely you should only be interested in what happened on the wiki. --Thekooks 21:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC) Thanks.--Thekooks 17:50, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Question

I've been watching you edit the wiki today and I got a question, why do you care so much of about that NPOV stuff? It doesn't really matter to me because I get my info from other sources besides this wiki but other people are getting mad over the deletion of their stuff. Sure some POV stuff is spam but then again some is not and alittle of it doesn't hurt a page plus it adds a little favor to a page every now-and-then. Thats just my 2 cents.--Major Striker 22:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

NPOV

What part of the latest pitneybank report do you consider POV?--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

And under very dangerous suburbs:

Very Dangerous

Most buildings wide open or zombie-infested; OR hostile zombie mobs of 150+--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Got you, so suburbs should be a reflection of how well humans are doing rather than the current number of zeds dynamic?--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Did You

Just delete TheKooks' post? --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 20:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Well make a note in the edit summary in future. That's what it's there for. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 21:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
It was moved to the talk page. --  AHLGTG 21:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Gratzi

You made the vandal page again. Omega 18:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

You're on the Vandal Banning page again? How? This is as bad as when Grim was being bought to VB and Misconduct every 5 mins a couple of months ago. I wouldn't worry, though, I can't see anyone saying that was actualy vandalism.--SeventythreeTalk 18:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

That's quite O.K. Though you realise of course that I'm going to be totaly impartial. I'm not implying in any way you requested me because you thought I'd give you an easy ride, but in absolute seriousnes even if I wanted to be anything but impartial in this there is no way I could. You're both established users with a pretty firm grasp on how things work on the wiki. Impartiality is an absolute must for whoever you and Cyber agree on, and I cannot stress enougth that if I am not chosen you both have to make damn sure whever selected is impartial. To be honest I'd go with Grim_s if I'm rejected. If anyone isn't impartial it will cause them and the Arbitration pages no end of drama for weeks to come. I will start looking over previous cases at some point to see wheter there is some kind of precident for this sort of case. Whoever is chosen to arbitrate, it's going to be, well - interesting to say the least.--SeventythreeTalk 00:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Cheater

That is cheating. --  AHLGTG 22:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Cheers

http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/01-31-08_2200hrs_PRIVATE/IN_84-43_nalikill_d7f-d93-aee.html The man 23:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

My take on Giddings

Thanks for the spellcheck. Also I'm making this page as practice and as a possible report to be used to refer to this battle. Also I am not ego massaging anyone. The ealier pieces are true. Survivors were kickin ass. Then the update can and the zombies murdered us. Let me finish before u say I'm massaging egos. If people become angry with this page and ask for me to take it down then i will btu until then I'll continue to write it and noone has to pay any attention to it at all. But I will say that your report was very well done. I believe still that it is a fairly acurrate report on what happened.As an add on if you could help me fix the misspelling in the title that would be much appreciated...also how did you find this page especially with the misspelling?--Rico Montoya 03:22, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Congradulations on making it to the voting process for historical events. You did an excellent job in reporting all that happened and as a survivor who fought in the battle I couldn't imagine a better job being done.--Rico Montoya 01:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Just in dealing with my own little article I've seen some of what you have to deal with. it's insane. And I hope my writing that article didn't offend you. I wasn't tryign to steal the light away from you or anything i just wanted to see what it was like to write one and what else to do it on than recent events. Also I had kind of hoped the title to my article, sans spellign error, would be considered as a title since people were bitching about your title although i wholly agree. Jan was a suburb wide battle.--Rico Montoya 01:54, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Heh. My bad. Just going off what others said.--Rico Montoya 01:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Are you serious? The title to this page isn't POV. This WAS a suburb wide battle especially since th eBash goal is to wipe a suburb off th eface of the earth then move on. Some people are way to sensitive on this wiki.--Rico Montoya 02:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I've looked at the discussion page. Ah well. it's just people being sensitive. I honestly don't like the POV restrictions especially since zombie players CAN be POV while survivors can't. But that's just me.--Rico Montoya 02:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

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