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how long...

am i banned for? sorry if i'm breaking a rule for logging in but i just saw the message on my talk page. and sorry for asking on your page but wasn't sure if you'd see my response on my talk page. and if i create a new account, can i "transfer" or copy/paste all of my pages to new pages? or can i continue editing pages under Son of Sin userspace logged in under my new account? i'm totally lost. do i have to create new signatures as well? sheesh...i'd rather be banned for awhile than start over with a new account. Son of Sin 19:48, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Candy

That better be a Rare Candy you're feeding the Mudkip, mate. :P --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 05:57, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Considering you're only the second person I've given candy to in-game and the first was a random player I didn't know, yeah I'd say it was rare. May it bring you luck in your Red endeavors. Don't forget to pass it along. Don't eat it, it'll rot or (more likely) break your teeth. Oh wait, do mudkips have teeth? ~Vsig.png 06:19, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
What? It's a rare candy, but not a Rare Candy? Guess it won't increase my level by one. D: --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 06:24, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, but whatever you're referencing it's completely lost on me. I am and old(ish) man, I'm afraid. Enjoy the candy anyhow. ~Vsig.png 06:31, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Sigh...Too old for Pokemon references, I guess. :( --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 06:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Aye, that I am. My oldest daughter probably would have caught it. I'm afraid Peekachoos and Mudkips are about where my pokemon knowledge ends. Even then its sparse. ~Vsig.png 06:41, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

?

Im more than happy to end my manhuntingness, if you still need to balance the teams. --Like Moss and The Dude..... 19:25, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd hate to see more drop simply to rebalace things. Let's see how Sailor Moon responds. If we can't get another on Red, I'll step in and join to try to rebalance or if you'd rather switch over instead of dropping altogether that might be better. ~Vsig.png 19:33, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Birthday coming up = messy weekends, its more of a time available thing. Oh and I hate yon. --Like Moss and The Dude..... 19:50, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
You too, huh? Mine is on the 10th. Its up to you, man. I'd prefer to see you stay on but if you'll be inactive its understandable. Let me know. ~Vsig.png 20:01, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Ahoy!

Ye be rollin with the FoD now, I'll be happy to see the impression ye leave on the flotsam in this city! --RaddoX 08:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, I will leave my impression all over this city. The spoiled and overindulgent masses of Malton surely won't soon forget me when I leave my mark. They shall cower in the dark, palms sweating as they grip their pistols, perhaps more prepared for what lurks outside. ~Vsig.png 14:08, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Text Rape Nonsense

Hi Vapor, I saw your responses on the misconduct case regarding this issue. Any chance you would care to chime in here? http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Text_Rape

Cheers, Gordon 22:33, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned Images

File:PMHunt Header.png which you uploaded is currently unused and is subject to deletion if it is older than two weeks. If you wish to ensure that it remains on this wiki then you will need to ensure that it is included in at least one page on this wiki..--A Helpful Little Bot 11:53, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Axe Hack's Manhunt 5

5 days. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 05:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Ms. Pacman

read my disclaimer: if you see my characters in-game, do not lecture me about my wiki opinions ...i am 100% in-character in Malton ...my characters are not text-rapists. Son of Sin 23:03, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

in-character: i am harmless, why did you shoot me? TheSonOfSin 23:03, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I see. Well, that does place us in an unenviable situation, now doesn't it. You see, we feel some things are best solved through violence. In a completely role-playing sense of course. Hmmm...well now. I guess we'll be seeing you around, Mr. Sin. ~Vsig.png 03:49, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Cobra forums

No idea what it is you want from us, but I have activated your account. -- Spiderzed 19:56, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I needed a way to get a hold of one of your members. Sorry, I'll duck my head in to just say hi. Nothing special. ~Vsig.png 20:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

deleted page

The reason I add that information is so people can see it immediately without going to my profile --Krazyxman 01:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

It is against the rules unfortunately DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 01:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
ok, i fix it to use user page, sorry for mistake --Krazyxman 01:45, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Heyo

Still waiting for a reply in the nazi's second vandal case. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 21:44, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

In hindsight, it probably wasn't my best choice of words. Yeah the guy took it out of context but I probably did as well. Perhaps it was your delivery or perhaps I was just caught up. I see now the point you were making but at the time it made it sound like it was always acceptable practice to resize images whenever anyone damn well pleased. Sorry man. It wasn't shitty advice just a shitty situation. ~Vsig.png 21:56, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

hey i like the hitler

when he is juggling.-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!  אמת07:26, 10 January 2012 (bst)

I don't think the picture is gone, just the page it was placed on. You could put it somewhere in you userspace if you want to see it kept for any reason. ~Vsig.png 14:26, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

A/RE

Thanks for the questions: replied on the re-evaluation page. ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 01:40, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

not to be a snitch or something

but I thought self updating time stamps were a no no on recruitment ads? see here -- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!  אמת13:49, 28 January 2012 (bst)

Yeah they are. I'll remove it and notify the rummers. ~Vsig.png 16:09, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Deletions

Why did you revert my archive of the January deletions page? Did I do it wrong? Sorry, I'm quite new.--Shortround 13:19, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

You...

...missed something. -- †  talk ? f.u. 13:44, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Done. -- Spiderzed 13:59, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm around a lot less frequently these days due to new company policy on game related sites but still check here in the evenings. Might be best to hit a different sysop if something needs immediate attention. ~Vsig.png 00:35, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

i'm so gonna get you back for this.

ha ha dick face!-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!    bitch   COBRA!  אמת14:14, 4 February 2012 (bst)
You must have changed the section title like 6 times before you ever saw it. ~Vsig.png 16:52, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
i've been editing from my phone a lot. and I now hate you.. a little.-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!  אמת18:52, 5 February 2012 (bst)
I would edit from my phone more, but using the text input interface to edit a wiki is fuckin' horrible. Might have to try different browsers… what're you using? ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 16:12, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
shitfairi i can't jailbreak my iphone cause than they won't run my lighting control apps.-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!  אמת05:45, 17 February 2012 (bst)

You said impersonation was vandalism

Well [[1]]. On this page User:sexualharrison has done it to me multiple times. He changes my posts, keeping my sig. He is well aware of wiki rules, and has done it multiple times. When he removes his, mine comes down. --Dhavid Grohl 02:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism reports go on A/VB. If you want to make a report harrison for those comments, please do so there. If you haven't seen it already, that is where the vandalism case was brought against you earlier today. In the future, please use more discretion when dealing with warring like this. Arbitration services are available as well as administrative services such as vandal banning if neccessary. Editing in bad faith is never the right course of action, even if (and especially when) you feel you've been wronged. ~Vsig.png 03:33, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Done. --Dhavid Grohl 04:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Page for identifying bots

Per this vague discussion, I'm throwing down some random ideas for something like it User:Thegeneralbot/spambotflagging. Feel free to contribute.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 21:31, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Tard

Check its fixed? --Rosslessness 17:55, 13 April 2012 (BST)

Think so. Guess he added something after the reverts but looks like you added it all back. I'm sure he'll try to bring one of us to vb anyway. ~Vsig.png 18:06, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Oh, and the correct title is "fucktard", apparently. ~Vsig.png 18:09, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

looks like shite no matter what. fitting, really

You're very welcome. I dug hard and deep within my image folders to find something that fulfills all the criterias, yet represents the event page as a whole. -- Spiderzed 14:46, 14 April 2012 (BST)

can't we just delete all that shit now that it's the work of a perma banned vandal? well at least it was semi entertaining. not.-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!  אמת15:50, 14 April 2012
my favourite bit will be deleting blitzkrieg and all the others he tried so hard to write. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 15:58, 14 April 2012 (BST)
LOL. You mean you had that one saved already? I wonder about you sometimes, Spider. ~Vsig.png 16:48, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
My favorite part will be when I can finally tear my eyes away from the cornhole trainwreck and enjoy my retirememt. ~Vsig.png 16:48, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
It is one of my favourite panels ever seen inside a Marvel comic. Plus, there is no other villain team that could compete with the Nazi Zombies sheer power but The Terrible Two. Which was initially meant to be The Frightful Four. But
  1. that name was already taken and
  2. to quote The Terrible Two themselves,
    • Rabbit: "We don't need them! We are the Terrible Two! We're evil personified! The vilest villains on the face of the --"
    • Walrus: "They hung up on you, didn't they?"
    • Rabbit: "... After they were done laughing."
Not that #2 has any relation with the Nazi Zombies' desperate search for allies, of course. I'd never imply something as POV as that with my image selection. -- Spiderzed 17:42, 14 April 2012 (BST)

Old School

Well, I wasn't too involved with Caiger Mall or the Alliance of Giddings. I was most active between 2007 and late 2008 in the SSZ. I'm revitalizing the project nowdays. I remember events that happened through those areas, I know a lot about the RRF and we also dealt with the Mall Tours and LUE. --Benigno SSZ RCC 19:22, 15 April 2012 (BST)

i know you-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!  אמת20:52, 15 April 2012

hey fucksucks

just wondering. if add i [[Category:Sexualharrison]] into my sig. will it break the wiki or be against some rule?-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!  אמת20:51, 2 May 2012

yeah that's totally fine dude. You totally won't categorize every page yor sig is on...lol.seriously though, cover you jimmy and slap noinclude tags around that shit and you'll be ok. ~Vsig.png 21:49, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
which are again?-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!  אמת22:02, 2 May 2012
I did it to your signature because I'm awesome.--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 23:20, 2 May 2012 (BST)
They mean that any code you put between the noinclude tags will appear (and apply) to the template page itself but not the pages its included on, so that category won't appear on every page on the wiki DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 00:38, 3 May 2012 (BST)
well i kinda do want it on every page. is it allowed? -- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!  אמת01:25, 7 May 2012
Putting every page that you use your signature on into that category? What do you think? DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 01:42, 7 May 2012 (BST)
well using logic i learned from corny. yes? :(-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!  אמת01:51, 7 May 2012
Tut. Picking up bad habits from Cornhole? What next? Dry humping the wiki with lopsided battle pages full of hatespeech? ~Vsig.png 03:36, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
I approve of this joke at cornholioos expense, sadly because it is so fucking true >.> god he was retarded DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 08:53, 8 May 2012 (BST)

You look like spam

I seriously mistook you for a spambot when you created all those pages. lol . XP -- †  talk ? f.u. 05:52, 4 May 2012 (BST)

Uh, thanks, I guess. Tongue :P It was a lot of copy/pasta. Uh, please don't put me on A/VB/B. ~Vsig.png 06:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I keep seeing you post and getting angry about the fact that you aren't dealing with the bots, then remembering that you aren't a sysop any more. ^^ Can't tempt you with the buttons?--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 00:35, 7 May 2012 (BST)

It wouldn't help if you could. Towards the end of my term, I was completely ignoring the spambots. Too time consuming. Although, I did try to help implement some preventative measures before I requested demotion. That line of discussion pretty much died at Karek's talk page. This wiki is seriously lacking in extentions and configuration in my opinion. I'd gladly help contribute to any further discussion on the subject but my days of spambot reporting/blocking have passed. ~Vsig.png 03:31, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
^ More or less this. ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 03:56, 7 May 2012 (BST)
If you guys aren't going to ban the bots can you at least promote me so that I can?--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 12:34, 7 May 2012 (BST)
I'll likely vouch for you again the next time you try out. I'd recommend waiting a bit longer, though. Not because I don't think you're ready, but because bids opened too soon after a previously unsuccessful bid tend to fail. I'd say just continue to do what you're doing, let the sysops work at whatever pace they're comfortable working, be patient and reapply later. ~Vsig.png 15:10, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
I was joking about promotion, I just wanted sysops to do the bots. And I refuse to be patient. NEVER!--Shortround }.{ My Contributions 15:20, 7 May 2012 (BST)
I prefer to work smarter, not harder. ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 05:55, 24 May 2012 (BST)

Self Request

Your 5 starts now. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 02:07, 24 May 2012 (BST)

15 starts now. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 02:39, 24 May 2012 (BST)

So, let's see here… ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 02:55, 24 May 2012 (BST)

Nope. Couldn't edit my talk page during that 15. Wonder if its different for IP blocks. That IP block exemption relies on people being able post to their talk page when blocked. Need to test it before opening it on A/PD. ~Vsig.png 02:59, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
I believe that's either a wiki setting or extension on Wikipedia (I'd need to check, but either way, we likely can't change that without Kevan's involvement).
IP blocks default to blocking account creation and anonymous editing (which is already disabled on this wiki). I'd be perfectly happy to list a contact email address in case any administrators of these blocked ranges want to dispute the blocks.
(I'm also thinking about adding them to DNSBLs and possibly emailing the administrators of some of these myself, as their services are being used for vandalism, which will be against their Terms of Service.) ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 03:09, 24 May 2012 (BST)
My curiosity was less about your IP range blocks and more about the blacklist blocking Kevan may implement. Plus its come up more than once recently so it would be good to have in place. Mediawiki's IP exempt policy applies to all Mediawiki projects but it needs to be visible here and more importantly, it needs to work here. ~Vsig.png 03:20, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Nevermind, I was confused. Wikipedia's policy isnto post an unblock template to your talk page. Wikimedia policy is to email a checkuser or beuracrat. We're good. I made Axe block me for no good reason. ~Vsig.png 03:57, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I wouldn't say that… we're by no means guaranteed to have the same settings as Wikipedia here, so it can be worth testing these things. ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 05:53, 24 May 2012 (BST)
Oh, I know we aren't. Wikimedia has a multi-project policy on IP block exemptions. English Wikipedia has their own, which relies on a template placed on blocked user talk pages or an off site ticketing system. We'll have to have our own version or just use the basic Wikimedia policy. Coincidentally, IP Exempt flags are usually only granted to trusted users so users who are blocked from account registration would need to go through some other method than IP block exemption, I would think. Anyway, if you don't put up something on A/PD today, I'll try to get to it tonight. ~Vsig.png 15:42, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

You bite v4por for 1 damage. They die.

Zombie Eating.jpg Om nom nom
TripleU thinks that v4por tastes like beef jerky coated in a very thin layer of finely-ground tin foil.

I usually don't kill people on the Rouges Gallery, but you had just 40HP, and opportunities to kill minor celebrities or old pals are rare. This doesn't count as Sinistar winning his battle with you, he's still inactive (and will be for the foreseeable future). Now, let's see if any of the dolts in that mall will put me down before I eat my sixth victim without moving from that block. --VVV RPGMBCWS 07:13, 5 June 2012 (BST)

Gah, I was wondering. I figured it was just a "friendly" hello. A love bite if you will. Perhaps in keeping with manners, you didn't want to speak with your mouth full. I noticed a distinct lack of banter. Welcome back, by the way. I had nearly forgotten about our little...arrangment. Should Sinistar rise again, I will be waiting. Of course, helping lead one of Maltons finest killing machines doesn't afford too many forays into hunting. If you get bored with your mall , you're always welcome to come join in on some flotsam culling with us. We should be too hard for you to find. ~Vsig.png 16:34, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
I was silent for fear that I wouldn't have the AP to finish you off, but afterwards I said 'My ass has finally decided to eat v4por's hand! IT HUNGERS... for more...' (Not an exact quote). You're one of the few who left the block without seeing me take multiple lives, so most people have the idea by this point. As for FoD, I don't have any characters who would want to join right now, although Sinistar or another character might consider it, if their personalities eventually evolve in that direction. --VVV RPGMBCWS 04:09, 6 June 2012 (BST)
It'd be cool if you decided to join but I mostly meant come if you're bored of biting folks and then speaking to hapless bystanders Tongue :P. Of course, now that I've peered deeper into your soul, I see that you have the rot. If you mind being able to draw breath for the determinable future, perhaps this isn't a maw you want to stumble into. These Templar have itchy trigger fingers. Or perhaps that's the challenge you're after. *shrugs* Has to beat biting nasty mallrats stupid enough to stay in place after you've bitten everyone in the room to death. ~Vsig.png 05:16, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

{{CURRENTMINUTE}}

You may notice it is suceptable to page caching issues. If you're going to use it, I'd suggest building a purge link into any incoming links to it. There's a seperate template I made just for that reason, in fact. {{purge}}. Use it and whenever the resulting link is clicked, your page using the currentminute template will be purged of its cache. For external use, use this direct link http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:TripleU/Random_Propaganda&action=purge ~Vsig.png 04:15, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I'd made a few tinyurls to there and had already started spraying them. A very belated 'thank you' for making it work so well. --VVV RPGMBCWS 05:22, 11 June 2012 (BST)

Hey Vapes!

Sorry I missed you in IRC. 'Sup? ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 08:44, 17 June 2012 (BST)

^What this one said. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 15:15, 17 June 2012 (BST)
No worries. Wiki was down for me and was I looking for a link to the ignore list. Eventually found it. Justice was served. Big Grin :D. ~Vsig.png 16:38, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

?

--Rosslessness 19:01, 24 June 2012 (BST)

You duhleted too much code. Messed up the header for that month. No biggie. I just used undo because it was easier to fix the mistake. ~Vsig.png 19:06, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
!--Rosslessness 19:43, 24 June 2012 (BST)
¿?~Vsig.png 20:16, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

not a biggie but it does bug me to see it.

did this: "June 15th, 1999: The Harmsworth Massacre takes place at Harmsworth Bank in Kinch Heights." really happen in 1999? seems unlikely unless closed testing took a lot longer than i thought. I would just change the template but i always cock such stuff up :) --Honestmistake 17:48, 27 June 2012 (BST)

Yeah, Bob included pre-outbreak fiction to the UDThisMonth template. I had similar misgivings at first but figured the fiction stuff deserves some limelight. A lot of effort by a lot of people went into creating a backdrop for us. Is it verifiable? Nope. Its not even believable at times (but then again you have to suspend a lot of disbelief to play this game in the first place). If its a big issue to folks not to include fictional events on the main page, its probably worth addressing it in some way. That means either don't include it or include a disclaimer that some events are fictional. You may want to hit up Bob Moncrief for his input as well. This is his project but I'm helping him get it off the ground. ~Vsig.png 18:22, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm not really here enough to care that much... I just noticed it and thought WTF? I would think that throwing in additional, fictional stuff should probably be in a different column or something to distinguish it from the real events that drove the timeline though. --Honestmistake 16:35, 28 June 2012 (BST)
I'll get with Bob about retooling the template to somehow make som distinctions. At the least, the template proper should have some noincluded preamble I think. ~Vsig.png 17:49, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
The reason the less-than-nonfictional information got into the template is because it originated as a collation of UDWiki:Project Timeline and User:Bob Moncrief/Timeline, my pre-2005 timeline of fiction from the Wiki. I added a noinclude preamble (thanks Vapor!) but I'm not sure about if/how exactly to separate out the fictional stuff. I'll open a discussion on Template talk:UDThisMonth in case others want to weigh in (and so we aren't crowding up this talk page!) Bob Moncrief 01:07, 29 June 2012 (BST)

Timeline

I'm digging the timeline. Do you have access to the Yahoo group "Necro Tech"? It was closed a long time ago but I got access from the guy that started it and can still get in to it. That one goes all the way back to the beginning. It starts off with mostly technical talk about the game itself with people asking Kevan questions and bouncing ideas off of him. But it eventually turns into a strategy and coordination spot. I got in there because that's where the Knights Templar founding members met and I got to see how the group came together. I did a pretty extensive history for the early KT days and it was pretty helpful. If you want me to dig around in there let me know.-Roddy Winters 04:06, 10 July 2012 (BST)

No I don't have access to any of the Y!Groups but wish I did. Everything that's publicly accessable is now just thick walls of spam. I'd love to have some info from the old boards. I already know a lot of the KT history thanks to your group's history page on the wiki. I wish more groups were that thorough. What other groups formed or coordinated on Necro Tech? What I'm most interested in is how planning for those early battles went down. Were there really guys like CoL members deep behind the scenes and making things happen or was it more chaotic than that? When it came time for a big battle, was there usually heavy strategy involved or was it just a matter of getting as many warm bodies in place as possible. And other than the POD drama, were there any other good public examples of group in-fighting, particularly any that brought a group to its knees? Ok, maybe that last part was more for just my own personal enjoyment Wink.
Above all, what I need for the project are people that can help write articles documenting important historical moments in the game. I'd like a chronological record of events detailing who was involved and what their roles were in the battles. There are three categories: Zombie Timeline, Survivor Timeline and PKer Timeline. The events listed in each category should be relevant to category, though there will undoubtedly be overlap. There is a fourth category which I'm calling the Malton Timeline but that title will likely change to Meta Timeline. Meta Timeline will be a history of the evolution of the metagame. The fifth category is for the perma-death cities and their respective timelines. Sounds more daunting than I think it will actually be. Project Timeline is a community project and the more of the community involved (especially the past community) the better it will be, I think. ~Vsig.png 06:24, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
OK, I'll get on there today and see what I see. Yes, the spam is horrible but I can get through it. Maybe I can forward some of the more relevant messages to you or something? I'll get back to you.-Roddy Winters 11:17, 10 July 2012 (BST)
I'm probably going to distill a Survivor and/or zombie history in the near future, but it'll probably read more like a history book than a timeline. I'll keep an eye on the timeline tho, if I encounter something interesting, I'll add it ;) -- Johnny Twotoes 14:06, 2 August 2012 (BST)
Sweet, thanks. Its about time that part of the project got a kickstart. I've been a bit of an absentee landlord with it lately. I am especially dreading writing up a survivor timeline. Any help with it would be greatly appreciated. ~Vsig.png 18:56, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
It's not going to be easy, I'll give you that... Any suggestions on where to start? -- Johnny Twotoes 18:59, 2 August 2012 (BST)
For suriviors, it pretty much started with a local scattered and unorganized groups. Those that used the old forums organized into groups like Cannonbal Crew, Axes High, and the various mall and fort groups. Then CoL came along and tried to organize the larger of the groups. Zombies had mostly limited sucess until The Many came along and then later RRF. Zombies were pretty much screwed for a long time, though until Kevan made zombie buffing updates. 2006 is really when all the interesting stuff started to happen. Zombies were finally empowered and survivors had to become more organized. The existing timeline tells a pretty good recounting of the sequence of event. Suburb also has good info and so does the Zombie Rennaisance page. I'm sure once those pages are created, people will start chiming in. Just keep it NPOV and as close to chronologically acurate as possible and all will be well. ~Vsig.png 20:07, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
There were a few big zombie groups before the RRF, Pwotters, TSO, etc. Also survivors have actually been on a landslide of descending organization as a side since the Caiger sieges. You can actually tie it very closely to the call of the |__________| Mall Survivor groups and that whole culture which has largely since become defeatist and isolated with individual survivor groups being anti-mall after growing high stakes losses in large mall sieges. It led largely to rolling defeats and added to that problem, particularly after BB2 and Santlerville which would be the last two major sieges. The Dead event actually caused survivors to start taking up high mobility offensive tactics as a way to try and regain tempo, particularly DIRT:NAP type tactics and the localized NT defenses being pulled separated out from old school Mall defense tactics. So there are definitely plenty of things to discuss in regards to this. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 09:38, 3 August 2012 (BST)
I basicly added the timeline with the main events. I'm not gonna debate the logic or decisions made, I'm just going to report on what is fact and make my conclusions based on those facts... -- Johnny Twotoes 16:29, 3 August 2012 (BST)
Yep, that's pretty much the way to go. There will be lots of discussion on these topics I'm sure and I want to encourage it. But what gets included in those articles should be neutral and factual. I'll strart on the zombie timeline this weekend, using the format I had in mind. @Karek, TSO and {Pwotters]] came after RRF. Undying Scourge was pre-RRF, though. ~Vsig.png 17:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
A lot of the early history died with Desens, but here is some early RRF information: early RRF stuff. I might be able to find some early Mall tour/TSO stuff but it also might be blown away.TSO grew out of Mall Tour; Pwotters came into their own around the pre/post OnStrike days. -MHSstaff 03:20, 4 August 2012 (BST)
I've added a lot of the notable events to the zombie timeline now. I'm sure that I've missed a lot, especially the stuff that never got recorded to the wiki. I know there were like 4 RRF Excursions (or was it one Excursion split into 4 parts?) but I could find little info on it. Feel free to fill in more. Next step is to fill in details of all of those events. ~Vsig.png 03:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

RE:User talk:James Slimm

Unlinked, you say? Well I bet this one isn't unlinked. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 07:48, 28 July 2012 (BST)

It can be. James Slimm 07:53, 28 July 2012 (BST)
Well you better unlink it fast. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 07:55, 28 July 2012 (BST)
Arbies? James Slimm 07:57, 28 July 2012 (BST)
Go right ahead. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 07:59, 28 July 2012 (BST)
LOL let me chew on the idea a bit. James Slimm 08:00, 28 July 2012 (BST)
Take as long as you need. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 08:03, 28 July 2012 (BST)
I'd like to offer to arbitrate. I'm a neutral party in this. --Open the Box Org XIII Alts 14:08, 28 July 2012 (BST)
Think we hijacked the wiki enough for the time being, though it would be hilarious. ~Vsig.png 17:55, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Just wondered

Why abbreviate all the survivor groups? --RossWHO????ness 20:36, 5 August 2012 (BST)

I copy/pasted that from the original article. Feel free to tool around with the tables to make the full group names to fit. I'm heading out until later today. Not sure about the best way to reopen voting. Figured I'll wait a couple of days at least while the accuracy and style of the new article is worked out. ~Vsig.png 20:51, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Done with the draft of Pitneybank yet? If so Im going to namespace it and do my own version using it as a draft, that hopefully you and MHS can have a look at. --RossWHO????ness 23:58, 9 August 2012 (BST)
Yeah, I think I'm done. If I were to add anything I'd have to dedicate some thought to it and I'd rather be lazy and not think. I wasn't too happy that I had to rewrite the event to appease everyone voting. If I ever nominate an event in the future, please slap me a bit.~Vsig.png 00:11, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
stop being helpful ya mong.-- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch   COBRA!  אמת00:56, 10 August 2012
I know right. Its easier just being a dick. ~Vsig.png 01:00, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

October Bash

Any plans to tool one up this year again? Haven't seen a October Bash 3 page yet, so I thought I'd ask in time. -- Spiderzed 20:39, 2 September 2012 (BST)

*Sigh*. Plans, yes. Plans to go forward with them...still undecided. And I'm afraid my time is quickly running out to make a decision. I bit off more than I could chew last year. Running three events in one months sucks, to put it bluntly. I'd be happy to go over with you my thoughts. Find me on IRC some time. I'm sometimes identified as BDB on nexus servers and sometimes as vapor. ~Vsig.png 21:47, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately my own time will be constrained in September and early October, but if you have any tasks you feel you can delegate, let me know. The page design of the OBs was always one of my most favourite on the whole wiki. -- Spiderzed 00:15, 3 September 2012 (BST)
Delegation would be the way I'd go if I go forward. Likely entire events would be turned over to others while I oversee just the Red October portion. I'll talk to some people during the week to see if I get any takers. Another option is to just cut out all except the Red October event. I've been leaning mostly towards that option as October quickly approaches. If by some chance the other two events materialize, it would be an added bonus but no great loss if they fail to get off the ground. ~Vsig.png 01:08, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Any news? -- Spiderzed 11:22, 13 September 2012 (BST)
I don't think its going to happen. I talked it over with my group a while back and people were interested but that's as far as it went. The idea was to do a traditional PK event rather than a manhunt and get several groups involved. I think that would be cool but with current climate of PK meta just doesn't seem suited for that type of thing. That and I just don't have the time or inclination to be that guy that tries to bring back the "good ol days" of the PKA. Perhaps it will get there again but it won't happen before October. ~Vsig.png 15:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I tell you what, if you do it I promise I'll join. Putting my head on the table always brings to boys to the yard.

Okay I admit I lied. No one ever aspires to kill me in-game. except when I'm actually trying to do something cool like Blackmore 404. And I probably would forget to join anyway :( A ZOMBIE ANT 15:20, 13 September 2012 (BST)

I actually have your DDR alt and a number of other notable wiki alts listed as white contacts on my PKer. You guys get my special, "You're ignorant for using the wiki" speech when I kill you. Problem is, I always see you on my other characters, not on my Knight. Aichon 15:32, 13 September 2012 (BST)
Unlucky. However, compared to the other wiki doofs I don't think I'd be too difficult to tag. I've been in the same spot helping the same kilted asses for the last two years. A PK event might be a nice way to get out of that routine, methinks. A ZOMBIE ANT 15:42, 13 September 2012 (BST)
Yeah, I know where you are, but I generally don't go hunting for people. I prefer to simply stumble across people in my travels. Makes things more fun since it's like a little gift whenever I see a white name show up. Aichon 15:56, 13 September 2012 (BST)
Racist. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 16:19, 13 September 2012 (BST)
This is the last time: it's not racist if you discriminate based on the color of their name! </faux anger> Aichon 16:33, 13 September 2012 (BST)
Nameist. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 16:35, 13 September 2012 (BST)
That's when you discriminate based on the name itself, not based on its color. For instance, killing "TrenchGod420" instead of killing "A harmless kitten", simply because you didn't like the first one's name. Aichon 16:37, 13 September 2012 (BST)
...Dick? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 16:40, 13 September 2012 (BST)
That works for me. Aichon 17:18, 13 September 2012 (BST)
I'd probaly go for the kitten out of principle. In fact I have. Rando must be sated, after all. ~Vsig.png 17:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Of info and apples

Continuing this conversation from A/PT here instead. Aichon 16:36, 18 October 2012 (BST)

Agreed I like Acorn's version. Just proofread it before putting it up. I'm pretty sure "...sorts of information..." isn't grammatically correct. ~Vsig.png 00:07, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm planning to scrap a lot of that text, to be honest, but just hadn't done so yet. Also, "sorts of information" is grammatically correct, though the "is" after it is incorrect, since the noun ("sorts") is plural. Aichon 00:20, 18 October 2012 (BST)
Yes "sorts" is plural but "information" is an uncountable noun and should be treated as singular. ~Vsig.png 01:22, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
"Information" is not the noun being acted upon, however, which is why I referred to "sorts" and why the plurality (or lack thereof) of "information" does not matter. We can see this is true with a more intuitive example, such as if I had said "a pile of apples" instead. In that case, it's obvious that "is" should be used since we're talking about "a pile". The "of apples" is being used as a descriptor, just as "of information" is being used as a descriptor to describe the "sorts" in this case. Since "sorts" is the noun being acted upon, we look to whether it is singular or plural for the cue we need. Aichon 16:36, 18 October 2012 (BST)
Ah but "sorts" is not the noun being acted upon. "Information" is being acted upon. We know this because we can remove "sorts of" from the sentence and it does not change its meaning: "...get a sense of the information available". I'm a bit rusty, but I believe "sorts" is this case is a descriptive pronoun similar to "this" or "that", or "the". ~Vsig.png 17:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Mmm...doesn't removing "sorts of" actually change the noun being acted upon to "information", rather than demonstrating that "information" was the noun being acted upon the whole time? Going back to the apples, "pile" is clearly the noun being acted upon, but if we removed "pile of", it changes the noun being acted upon to "apples". Same thing here. "Sorts", while awkward when it's by itself, is indeed the noun being acted upon, I believe. Aichon 19:59, 18 October 2012 (BST)
I think Aichon is right. The word "information" is singular but in this case, it is the object of the preposition "of." The word "sorts" is the subject requiring a plural verb. Consider "pieces of information are" vs "a piece of infomation is." -MHSstaff 20:42, 18 October 2012 (BST)
Aichon, in your example, "pile" is also a demonstrative noun. "Look at the pile of apples." Is a more descriptive way of saying "Look at the apples". The grammatical issue here is in the plurality. You would not say. "What types of of apple is that?" you would say "What type of apple is that?" In our case "What type of information is being being checked out?" MHS, "pieces" is not demonstrative in your example in the same way that a piece of apple is not the same as a whole apple. ~Vsig.png 21:23, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Yeah but you would write "what types (of apples) are those?" or "what type (of something) is that." Same thing here:
Look at the pile of apples. The pile of apples next to the barn is rotting. Those piles over there are also rotting. This pile/collection/group of pineapples is on fire. Those piles of turnips are not only on fire, but they are also exploding.
Objects of prepositions do not determine the tense. Here the word "type/pile/sorts/piece" determines the tense. -MHSstaff 21:35, 18 October 2012 (BST)
You've just unwittingly agreed with me since in all of the examples you provided, the subject is plural. "Information" is not plural. It is uncountable and treated as singular. "What type of singular noun is that" vs "what types of plural nouns are those". Lol. ~Vsig.png 22:25, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
The pile of apples next to the barn is rotting. Singular noun/singular verb
This pile/collection/group of pineapples is on fire... Singular/singular
Those piles over there are also rotting. Plural/plural
Those piles of turnips are... Plural/plural. -MHSstaff 23:07, 18 October 2012 (BST)
The binder is missing. Correct?
The binders are missing. Correct?
The binder full of women is missing. Correct? It is even though the object women is plural.
The binders full of women are missing. Correct? It is even though the object women is plural.
The binder full of information is missing. Correct? It is even though the object information is singular.
The binders full of information are missing. Correct? It is even though the object information is singular.-MHSstaff 23:07, 18 October 2012 (BST)
Grammar stuff aside, "sorts of information" just sounds weird. Or pro-terrorist. Perhaps both. -MHSstaff 23:14, 18 October 2012 (BST)
Hooray, late to the party. Various sorts of information are presented here. Sadly some of it wrong. If it helps change sorts to types, since they are basically synonymous in this case. :P --Open the Box Org XIII Alts 23:29, 18 October 2012 (BST)
The pile of rice is white. Correct? The puddle of gasoline is on fire. Correct? The bowl of cereal is soggy. Correct? This sort of information is correct. Correct? Rice, gasoline, ceral and information are uncountable nouns. They can be describe by terms like pile of, puddle of, bowl of and sort of but they cannot be pluralized. "Sorts of information" sounds weird because it is incorrect. It is probably also used by terrorists. ~Vsig.png 23:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, you guys got too hung up on an inapplicable example ("pile of apples" was only meant to highlight subject-verb agreement when dealing with prepositions; the differences in the nature of how "apple" and "information" are being used would make any attempts to compare "pile" and "sort" misguided...more on that in a sec). Let's drop the "is" vs. "are" discussion for a moment and look at "sort" vs. "sorts", since it's the more important one. This grammar book author's blog entry has the clearest write up I've managed to find on the general topic we're discussing.

To make a long story short, "information", within our sentence, is being used as a category of object, just as you would refer to "cuts of meat" or "varieties of candy" (or, yes, "pieces of information"). As such, the "sorts of information" usage is perfectly acceptable and should be treated as a plural. That said, just as "cut of meat" is also an acceptable phrase, so too is "sort of information". Even so, it doesn't make sense within the context of the sentence, since we're not referring to one sort of information. So, saying "...sorts of information are..." is grammatically correct and makes sense within the context, but, as has been pointed out, it's odd enough that we'd probably be better off rephrasing it anyway (or just outright dropping it). ;)

Sources: This, this, this, this, this, this, and this. Aichon 00:02, 19 October 2012 (BST)

Now that it has been pointed out that the phrase "sorts of information" may have terrorist connections, I find it interesting that you are suddenly reversing course and advocating its removal/rewording. Most interesting indeed. But yeah. It should like totally be dropped. Totally. -MHSstaff 00:36, 19 October 2012 (BST)
Let the record show that I never supported keeping "sorts of information", and have actively encouraged the removal of large swaths of text from that page. Let the record also show that MHS is misconstruing my remarks so as to suggest that I changed course. Something a terrorist would do. Aichon 00:56, 19 October 2012 (BST)
I don't really care about what words are used. I just want everyone to agree that although pile of rice is singular, piles of rice is plural. --Open the Box Org XIII Alts 01:17, 19 October 2012 (BST)
Yeah I thought it was understood that the phrase would be removed and we were just debating because of boredom and/or having nothing better to do with our time. Anyway, since I had already thought of a somewhat clever example of why I still beleive "sorts of" was misused, I will post it and then I will drop the subject. As Kirsty pointed out, there are times when "sorts of information" would be grammatically correct, but not here. I could say "Acorn, what sort of cereal do you want for breakfast? I have all sorts of cereal in my pantry." in the same sense that could say "Newbie, look to see what sort of information is available. We have all sorts of information on the wiki." I'm sure there is some grammatical definitiln which explains why "all sorts of" is proper grammatical usage but I lack the depth of avaialable resources to look it up at the moment. Instead, I leave you with a grammar riddle.
There are three words in the English language which end in -gry. Two words that end in -gry are "hungry" and "angry". Everyone knows what the third word means and everyone uses it every day. If you have paid attention, I have already stated what the third word is. The three words which solve this riddle are...? ~Vsig.png 02:37, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it has something to do with a raven and writing desk. --Open the Box Org XIII Alts 03:20, 19 October 2012 (BST)
Communicating badly then acting smug when you're misunderstood is not cleverness. --Klexur 04:02, 19 October 2012 (BST)
bongry? --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 20:20, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey, guess what? You're all arseholes, who fuckin' cares, put the new main page up and let's have an early christmas! A ZOMBIE ANT 09:37, 19 October 2012 (BST)

Oh, *now* I get it...

... why James Slimm PKed Thurston, that is. Good to see your alts setting such a fine example to others of what it means to lead "separate lives". Stay classy!--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 15:08, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

No. I don't think you get it. You seem to think that was premeditated murder. Nah. It was just Rando's will and a bit of being in the right place at the right time (or rather the wrong place at the wrong time for Thurston). I don't even remember what I said to you. Probably an Evil Dead quote. ~Vsig.png 18:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Butthurt uwaaaah. --RadicalWhig 18:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Welcome back, RadicalWhig a.k.a. Vapor's Poodle! The irony is that Vapor's serious butthurt over recent humiliations means he's used one alt to do another alt's business, against an alt of mine that has nothing to do with TSI > FOD. So... waaah right backatcha. :)
Returning to Vapor, i.e. the organ grinder not the monkey, your alt didn't say anything. A well-chosen Evil Dead quote would've earned you a pass. My other alts are Hermann, currently in Perryn NT, Gulsonside, and MichaeI Jackson, currently outside Wicksted NT in Wyke Hills, if you want to indulge in a bit more alt abuse. Mick is the one legitimate target for your v4por alt so I'll let you seek him out - if you can bear the auld priest's pungent body odour. Remember, the current score is TSI 26: FOD 12 so you have a wee bit of catching up to do. Pip pip!--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 20:08, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Well, that's one way to soothe your butthurt. Might want to try harder though. --RadicalWhig 03:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Ah, the pain of being ahead of you guys. I think I can live with it.--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 05:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
"Ahead." I guess that's technically correct since you're taking it up the ol' pooper. --RadicalWhig 15:18, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Mallrat, your troll fu is weak. If you're going to come to the wiki to post baseless alt abuse accusations, you'd do well to keep your own indescretions out of past conversations with that person. And if you're going to call people that sleep in malls "sheep" then don't act shocked when you're PK'd whilst sleeping in Hildebrand. You may also want to consider a name change. I have assembled a short list of potential candidates for your convenience:

  • Lambchop
  • Ewe Gene
  • Baa Baa Flak Sheep
  • Wooly Nelson
  • BaaRat

I eagerly await your reply. ~Vsig.png 15:00, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Seeing as both you and your poodle can't resist nibbling at my comments, despite having your wiki-arses handed to you both as PKers and on the wiki, I'd say my troll-fu is just fine.
RadicalPoodle - the 26:12 scoreline tells us everything we need to know about whether TSI or FOD took it up the Gary Glitter during your last visit. You may want to see a doctor if the pain is persisting till now.
Vapor - clearly the point of my comments here is to highlight your hypocrisy regarding alt abuse. If you find any of my alts doing each others business, as yours has done recently, or find them within 10 blocks of each other, please report them to the Zerg Liste. You'll notice none of my alts is on there, because I don't zerg and I don't multi-abuse (I let two stray too close once, and promptly moved them and cleared my name). Neither would I use my other alts to attack alts of people on the wiki that I don't like, but then I've never been pumped as badly as you either in-game or on the wiki.
Thanks for the kind suggestions for names. Thurston Mallrat's surname and his occupation at the Kilt Store might indicate (to the careful reader) that he's the kind of guy who, y'know, might hang out in malls, not least because he works in one (when it's not ruined). Role-play 'n' all that. He has few enemies outwith the RRF, which makes your alt PKing him all the more egregious (and blatantly symptomatic of butthurtitis vulgaris). My comment about sheep was just as much a poke at FOD's cowardly MO of attacking unsuspecting targets, weakest first, rather than taking on those who fight back. Many PKers and PKer groups have TSI's respect. You're not one of them.
NB my characters are just that - characters. They're not me. Clue: my real name's not Mallrat. Separating fantasy from reality may help you in future. Have a hug, you sound like you need one. :)--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 19:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Whoa, that's an awful lot of words for saying "I am still butthurt at FOD's dominance." Have you tried cutting it down to a sentence or two? Thanks.--RadicalWhig 19:21, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Whig, its fingers working faster than brain, obviously. I'd have a hard time believing someone could be this ignorant otherwise. Or perhaps this is what it looks like when stream of consciousness meets utter incompetence. ~Vsig.png 22:11, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
"Baaaa!" meets "Live for the Swarm!".--RadicalWhig 01:02, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Apologies PoodleWhig, I wasn't aware you struggle to read to the end of paragraphs. If TSI 26, FOD 12 is "FOD's dominance", I'd love to know what you consider defeat.
You two are evidently a pair of clownshoes. However, congratulations to the "impotnet" Vapor on finally spelling a couple of polysyllabic words correctly. Enjoy your group therapy and good luck completing high school!--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 03:54, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Ah, the smell of raw unbridled FOD domination. So thorough rollmat here can't shut up about it, huh, Vapor? For the record, I like BaaRat the best, he seemed to make that sound every time we got his buddies. Or was that crying, I can never tell with all the squeaky bleats.--RadicalWhig 07:37, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm kind of partial to Lambchop. But you're right. All I hear is BaaBaaBaaBaaBaaBaaBaaBaa (deep breath) BaaBaaBaa ... (10 minutes later) ... BaaBaaBaa. ~Vsig.png 13:51, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Holy SHIT! I never connected my in-game kilty ally to Mallrat on the wiki! Holy god am I dense! A ZOMBIE ANT 13:53, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

That'll be because Thurston's a nice guy, whereas my wiki persona isn't. :)--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 20:33, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Yup, same for me! A ZOMBIE ANT 03:01, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Hat Store

You might want to make an official vote on your Hat Store deletion request, to avoid any ambiguity -- boxy 06:29, 4 November 2012 (BST)

Merge vote implies a delete. I'd still like it to be a redirect to The Hat Store and if it's deleted, I'll probably end up recreating it if that's ok. ~Vsig.png 06:37, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
You could have done that without a deletions vote Tongue :P -- boxy 00:58, 5 November 2012 (BST)
I suppose. It's still a group page, though a crappy one. Better safe than sorry. Still have the fear of bureaucracy in me, it seems. ~Vsig.png 01:22, 5 November 2012 (UTC)