User talk:Akule/Defeated Groups/Zergs/Bloody Green Boyz

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Any communication with us can be done here if needed. --Zhekarius CFT 06:59, 16 August 2011 (BST)

Zheke and myself are here to answer questions or relay with anyone that needs to contact us. --Aishuma CFT 06:47, 17 August 2011 (BST)

I've recently added myself to the wiki, I'm available for talk now as well. --Snaxmaster CFT 04:28, 28 August 2011 (BST)

waves. --Greymanx12 01:48, 12 September 2011 (BST)

Change in our group

We've had a change in our ranks, due to the breakup of Elise (Aishuma) and myself, a friend has taken over her character and account. --Zhekarius CFT 03:44, 28 August 2011 (BST)

As much as we could use the help of her level 9, we will be removing Elise from the group entirely and retiring her since her original player is no longer active. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 06:52, 12 September 2011 (BST)

I'm going to add here since Akule has as very clearly can be seen near the bottom made a lot of accusations based on posts to the wiki, no one shared this account, it was taken from one person that quit the game and no longer communicates with any of us, and given to another, on a different IP address on a different computer, it is relevent to note that the original owner of the character was engaged to Zheke before the original post here was made, you share bank account numbers something like a character on a video game you play with a guy isn't going to be private information. Since this insanity the character has been moved and dumped into an early grave, retired and never to return. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 08:26, 12 September 2011 (BST)

Greetings from the DHPD

I see you've been adding yourselves all over the Northwest of Malton. I just wanted to drop by and say hello from the Dunell Hills Police Department and let you know that a few of the suburbs you've listed in are areas we patrol. I'm sure there won't be a problem between us. Welcome to the neighborhood. Bill Turner 20:48, 31 August 2011 (BST)

I certainly won't make it my business to make it a problem, officer. We appreciate the welcome : ) --Zhekarius E! CFT 04:31, 3 September 2011 (BST)

A Thankyou

We thank the BUB for the wiki code we may have borrowed to spruce up the page a bit. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 10:11, 7 September 2011 (BST)

So, where the hell did all of you come from?

I'm sure somewhere this has come up, we're a group of close friends that used to be a guild on warcraft, having since wandered away from wow, we decided on something a bit different paced and ended up here. Funny story, no? --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 16:54, 8 September 2011 (BST)

What does Bloody Green Boyz mean anyway?

Another question I'm sure someone somewhere was wondering. Well, Bloody Sun Boyz are a group of orks in the Warhammer universe, this name is a joke derived from them. Originally we all had orc tattoos, but we changed the tattoo to dogs to represent pack mentality later(I suppose one could argue the same of orks). The "green" in the name, is a joke about weed. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 16:58, 8 September 2011 (BST)

Zheke, I think you should change it back to ork tattoos. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 19:40, 10 September 2011 (BST)

Disciplinary Action

An officer in our group, Mitch Harrison and his zombies took a dispute between our boyz and a sole player too far after a member of the preston staff got involved and took matters into his own hands. We have disassociated with them as of the moment and will go so far as to assist with taking them down. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 03:00, 9 September 2011 (BST)

  • Thanks for stopping in and lending a hand at the Arms. I see that most of you chaps all joined around the same time but we've had a lot of visitors recently that had registration timestamps within half-hours. While I'm not expressly stating anyone is zerging I thought you might want this brought to your attention (I've put 3 examples below). At any rate, good luck on your 'legitimate business' ;).--GentleGiant 00:35, 10 September 2011 (BST)
I understand your concern GentleGiant, a lot of us do have similar join dates, we're a close knit guild that used to play WoW and Age of Conan together. I assure you no zerging is going on here, and thank you, I have in full confidence business will keep on being good. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 17:19, 10 September 2011 (BST)
We're actually expecting more members, the entirety of our guild hasn't made the jump over yet. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 19:39, 10 September 2011 (BST)

Zheke, I'd like to discuss this with you, contact me. --Greymanx12 17:16, 10 September 2011 (BST)

Greyman, I'll talk to you tonight about this. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 17:40, 10 September 2011 (BST)
You are aware that you posted this update to your timeline under the wrong account, aren't you? --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 00:42, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Yep, I made a post, so what Akule? --Greymanx12 01:32, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Yes, I am implying that we continued attacking our own group AFTER talking to Zheke, we roleplay and decided on a set time to do the switch back over the phone. The attack on Preston was solely my doing. --Greymanx12 01:34, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Sorry I don't follow, what? --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 01:01, 12 September 2011 (BST)
You do realize Greyman is one of our officers, right? --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 01:03, 12 September 2011 (BST)
If you notice, the timestamp there is clearly after 5PM, just because I didn't post that he rejoined until 10 PM doesn't mean I hadn't talked to him before then. All of us edit ALL of the pages related to the group, including our own profiles, so again, not sure what you're getting at. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 01:08, 12 September 2011 (BST)
While I'm at it, do you know how many of those times on the timeline are estimated? None of them are accurate aside from the dates. All you're showing me is that one of my officers edited a post at 6:57 PM, if there's a further point to this make it, otherwise good day.--ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 01:10, 12 September 2011 (BST)

As of last night Greyman has rejoined our ranks and accepted his disciplinary action for his transgressions. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 13:00, 11 September 2011 (BST)

My, my.

I'll go ahead and make my post here, so you won't clutter it up with your mistakes in indenting (that you both coincidentally happen to share). I am aware that Greymanx12 is listed as a member of your group. I'm also aware that he had been "banned from your forum" and had "made his own group". Do keep in mind that Zhekarius created the Creepy Boyz page and even added them to the Coalition for Fair Tactics page despite it being a "revolt against your control" and your group having disassociated with them. Why would you do all of that work of setting everything up for "Mitch", if you were actually angry with him? --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 02:18, 12 September 2011 (BST)

Mitch is also my real life friend, and has been for a long time, he does dumb things like this on games we play, a lot, anger isn't a factor here. Yeah, in a frenzy of obsessive compulsiveness moved him out of the group, and made a wiki page for the group he made. Maybe you missed the part about us roleplaying as well, congrats, you've exposed our elaborate scheme to roleplay a mutiny started by a dispute between officers over in game actions. Is there something you're trying to say, because otherwise I'm done discussing this, Akule. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 02:35, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Certainly. Was he unbanned from the forum after your phone conversation or when he posted on your timeline?--Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 03:09, 12 September 2011 (BST)
He is still banned from the forum, and as the forum states, our conversation was at 6:02 PM, before the post was made to the wiki. Now, if there's nothing further, I need to make dinner and my daughter needs a bottle. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 03:11, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Corrected all of my sloppy indents, since you seem so picky about it. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 03:19, 12 September 2011 (BST)
As well as Greyman's (aka Mitch), now, as I stated, I need to get dinner made for my family, so if there's anything further it will have to wait. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 03:20, 12 September 2011 (BST)
While I'm feeding my little girl let me point out a few things of my own, at 5:40 PM, Greyman posted on the discussion page he wished to talk, I responded to him around 5:40 PM, at 6:02 PM I called him after zeds that aren't part of our group joined in with his little mutiny, which was posted on our forum at roughly 6:40 PM with the 6:02PM included, the post he made, and this part is important, while he was here, at roughly 6:50 PM he posted to our wiki. That leaves a window of time between 6:02 PM and 6:57 PM where we talked. Hope that shed some light for you, brother Akule. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 03:38, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Yes, I just changed all the 6:16PMs to 6:57PM, I looked at the wrong time stamp in your link. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 04:03, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Feel free to take care of yourself and your family. They should come first before a game. I'll just leave my reply here, and you can respond when you have time. You mention that the forum states when the conversation took place, but we can't see posts on the forum, let alone the time referenced (hence why I asked). Also, your prior response is a little muddled. In the context of earlier responses, I assume that you spoke with him at 6:02PM EST on the 10th of September, yes? --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 04:07, 12 September 2011 (BST)
I can answer while I'm juggling a bottle and child in my arms. Yes it was made on the same day he posted he wanted to talk about the dispute related to his decision to act without consulting the rest of us, and yes, I quite literally just disabled guest viewing on the forums since you among others seem to be lurking on it as guests. Regardless of the forum post, the post he made to me, on this discussion page was before 6PM and the post he made to the wiki was around 6:50PM still leaving a pretty large gap in time, again I feel the need to ask; what exactly is it you're implying or getting at, what is the point of this discussion other than pointing out sloppy editing. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 04:17, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Please don't assume that I was lurking on your forum. I hadn't even looked at your forum until just before I made my first post on your talk page. Guest viewing was disabled at that time, so it wasn't "literally just disabled". If you are having a lot of guest lurkers, then perhaps you have a lot of bot traffic. Typically forums are trawled by various spammers looking for forums to register in and shoot out spam posts or email addresses on profile pages. Some free forum sites have decent spammer filters, and can block them from registering, but don't stop them from hitting the IP of the forum itself. I digress. So, prior to his request to speak with you, you were fed up with him. You went as far as to make a separate group, ban him from the forum pending a decision, and offer to hunt him down in game. Yet, before the two of you talked, he continued to edit your group page, despite being banned from the forum. You admit you hadn't spoken during that time, you also stated that none of the rest of the zombies in his little group were a part of your group, and yet he had an extensive amount of knowledge of your group's current actions. This is in addition to the fact that he was faithfully updating the group page of a group he might very well no longer belong to. Do you see how this sounds odd? --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 04:51, 12 September 2011 (BST)
You don't seem to be following me, Akule, he was never not a part of the group, it was just a matter of him acting on his own, yes, we made a big show out of it for the sake of performance, that is the underlying purpose of role playing, to weave a story. Yeah, I'm saying he attacked Preston While a part of our group, not that he told any of us he was going to do that, and that attacking the Blackholler Arms was intentional. Imply what you want from that statement, it doesn't matter to me. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 05:04, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Which means that this post wasn't actually a disciplinary action, but a part of the "show", as you just stated. This means that the Preston Arms staff member who was involved unintentionally, does have every right to be angry with your group, as the attacks were intentional. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 05:14, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Again, you are picking what you want out of what I say, I'm done with this back and forth, what he did on his own has nothing to do with the rest of us, the attack on our own headquarters, yes, that does have everything to do with the rest of us, not including the unintentional siege it caused, if a member of the PA is angry at us for it, that's fine by me, a member of our group regardless of discussing it with us did attack the Preston Arms, and he was and is still banned from the forum for the next 23 days, so yes, there was disciplinary action taken against him, be it lenient. As far as whatever you are picking at with this public display you are making between us, either say what you are trying to say or leave it alone. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 05:18, 12 September 2011 (BST)
And yeah, I DID just not more than an hour ago change the forum permissions because there were still guests lurking in the exact post I mentioned earlier, one of which I had to ban the IP address of to get rid of. Continue posting as many links as you want, this conversation is over if you don't have a point other than "I think this is queer series of events". --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 05:21, 12 September 2011 (BST)
It would seem that in my time gone from this game since 2009 it has devolved from an actual game into a pile of conspiracy flinging and paranoia, maybe coming back was a mistake. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 04:22, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Zhekarius said:
and yes, I quite literally just disabled guest viewing on the forums since you among others seem to be lurking on it as guests.
I believe you brought the paranoia. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 04:51, 12 September 2011 (BST)
I don't seem to recall mentioning on here that he was banned from the forums, not until you brought it up anyway, maybe that's where I got the impression you were lurking from, Akule. Or maybe you heard it elsewhere, regardless. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 05:00, 12 September 2011 (BST)
You should know, you posted it on your your group page. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 05:07, 12 September 2011 (BST)
You've done two things so far Akule, show that a few of us are sloppy editors and that I'm scatterbrained, aside from that I see nothing further to continue this talk with you for, if you don't have something you want to bring beyond veiled insinuations, I'm done entertaining you, you clearly have too much free time to dig through all those revisions. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 05:10, 12 September 2011 (BST)
I've shown quite a bit more than that. Especially since you stated that Greymanx12 was not on the game until 10PM EST, yet somehow managed to post your dumbwit to the wiki at 7PM EST, and several times thereafter. Thus, my original statement of: "You are aware that you posted this update to your timeline under the wrong account, aren't you?"--Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 05:21, 12 September 2011 (BST)
A post he made from my computer, now if you're done, I do have other things I need to do today. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 05:23, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Instead of scrounging around for code to show you exactly what I'm talking about, just re-read the conversation, I very clearly stated he made that post while here, at this house, after coming by around 6:33PM to hang out. I would provide you pictures and phone records but sadly I don't have records of everything happening 24/7, if you don't have something to actually state here or prove, drop it. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 05:26, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Oh, so the story changes some more. So now you called him, spoke with him on the phone, and then he came over to your house and posted your dumbwit that you had just made to the wiki? Well that makes se...oh, wait!
Zhekarius said:
Once more, all you have shown me is an update showing one of my officers, one that I talked on the phone with about his mutinous actions at about 6 PM, he didn't get around to actually getting on the game to play until roughly 10 where the post was made on the timeline about accepting disciplinary action for his actions.
So at 7, he didn't post to the timeline about accepting disciplinary action for his actions, change his status, and his group status with the group, despite the fact that the two of you "had just worked it out". Instead he decided to make his first post about your dumbwits (that were both taken a few moments prior to being posted). Thus, with your own admission, we proved that you are zerging. The second dumbwit has a timestamp of Sat Sep 10 19:03:03 -0400 2011, and the post you stated that Greymanx12 made was at 23:03, 10 September 2011, meaning it was posted to the wiki just seconds later. That's not enough time for a person to get up, let someone else take the seat, then log into the wiki and make the post. Meaning that if he was indeed at the computer, he was under your account. Otherwise, you were in your own account, but have access to his. Either way it seems that GentleGiant's worries were justified. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 05:44, 12 September 2011 (BST)
I'm not playing this game with you Akule, go download firefox, then attempt to run the wiki on two accounts from IE explorer and firefox at the same time, make all the accusations you want, it doesn't change anything on my end. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 05:48, 12 September 2011 (BST)
He was at my house when the dumbwit was made, he logged in using IE explorer because he insists on using it, I don't use IE, I use firefox, he was here when we killed the DEA member, when I took the screenshot, and he made some posts while I was busy with my daughter for me, I really, do not care what you want to imply and state and accuse Akule, your own accusations state it would be impossible to switch accounts in a few seconds, how exactly would I do that then at the same time and moments before these were posted? If you truly believe it is worth my time to do so, continue posting endless streams of links in an attempt to label me and my friends as a zerg. You won't see any more response from me. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 05:53, 12 September 2011 (BST)
I will make one last statement in regards to this nonsense, how exactly is the story changing, at all, it has maintained a straight line, I have added facts as you asked for information, and corrected myself a few times, do I even care at this point, you're clearly on a zealous crusade to burn me for my imagined crimes with no proof aside from some time stamps (that prove nothing) and your own assumptions, which if you would like to continue, you WILL be continuing without my input, have a nice night. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 06:01, 12 September 2011 (BST)
I don't believe you understand. As I stated, he didn't have enough time for you to get up, him to sit down, for him to open IE, then log in, and then make the post. We're talking seconds here. this dumbwit was made Sat Sep 10 19:03:03 -0400 2011, and the wiki post is also at 23:03, 10 September 2011. Meaning that either he did indeed make the post, which means he made the dumbwit, which means he was logged in under your account, and thus was zerging, OR you logged in under your account, and you made the dumbwit, and you made the post. The timeframe is too short for it to be on separate computers, and also too short for someone else to have changed seats. Now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that there is indeed a player who typically plays Greymanx12, but clearly you have access to his account. This makes sense when you look at all of the various edits made by you and your members on each other's accounts. Unfortunately, it also means that there is a high likelihood that you are sharing multiple accounts, called hot seating, which is also a form of zerging. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 06:07, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Or my account was logged in, I killed the DEA member, got up, told him to dumbwit it and post it, I'm done with this, goodbye Akule. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 06:11, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Word of advice, all that over-analyzing is a good way to drive yourself insane, take it from a guy that spent plenty of time in a padded cell from paranoid ideation about plots and schemes against him, not everything is a deep veiled conspiracy, sometimes things are just coincidences. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 06:14, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Hence the story changes as inconsistencies are pointed out. It still doesn't explain why he wouldn't make the corrections to the group showing that he was reinstated at 7PM. After all, you had just fixed everything between the two of you. According to this version of your story, he spent almost an hour on the wiki, yet waited until 10PM to fix the reinstatement that you had said occurred at 6PM? Do you see why I assume that you were the one to make the initial posts, and then let him come on later to fix the wiki? --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 06:20, 12 September 2011 (BST)

A Different Perspective

I'll try not to get too accusatory here but wanted to bring to chime in since the two of you (Zheke and Gray) seem to be a bit confused as to why you have aroused the suspicions of people in-game and on the wiki. Simply put, you've raised many flags which, on their own may not account to anything but all together make a very strong case that some cheating may be occurring. I was inside Blackholler Arms just a few days ago and witnessed some of it for myself and have since been watching the wiki updates. Here is what I have noticed. Again, I'm not trying to be overtly accusatory but you need to know where we are coming from.

  1. Several group members have character creation dates very very close together
  2. Several of the character descriptions are very very similar
  3. The wiki accounts often edit one another's user pages. This is a highly unusual act on this wiki
  4. It is stated above that one of the accounts is now being controlled by another person.
  5. Group's dirty laundry is being aired on the wiki (i.e. "defectors" "break ups" "Disciplinary Action"). These things are often viewed as cries for attention.

If you add to this the above observances by Akule of some of the odd date and time statements, it really shouldn't be too much of a surprise to you why you've aroused suspicion. If you are indeed a tight knit group of 40 or so players playing legitimately, it would really behoove you to work on your image. For starters, it's considered very bad form to allow people to take control of another's account. I would stop doing that immediately. Ask that person to create their own account. I would also stop editing one another's user pages on the wiki. In particular, do not create user pages for users that have not joined the wiki (as was done with Graymanx). If any of you are sharing computers, you really should keep your characters apart from each other. You'll trip the zerging flags otherwise. Basically, if you aren't cheating, stop acting like you are and if you are cheating, be prepared to be exposed for it. ~Vsig.png 06:22, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I stated above, to Akule and that he seems to conveniently not be keeping track of, the decision was made during the phone conversation before he came by the house, that we made a set time to reinstate him for the sake of role playing, and long before this nonsense stated that the majority of our members are long time friends, many of which are real life friends, that had gotten bored of our other games and decided to give this one a try. Yes, that would mean that unless for some insane reason we all decided to wait several days in making characters between one another that there would be some similar dates. By all means, if you think my group is zerging take appropriate action, we will do the same to any injustices wrought upon us. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 06:26, 12 September 2011 (BST)
I am very willing to concede that there are other players involved than just you. I'm just pointing out that the sharing of characters is considered zerging (and will get you listed on the ZL). --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 06:28, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Interestingly, the fifth point has come out to have been a preplanned story event. Not a problem in itself, as many groups do this. It's just that when they involve other groups, it's usually considered good form to let them know of the event, so that people don't get angry. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 06:28, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Which once again none of us knew about as far as his attack on the Preston Arms, maybe we went to all that trouble because we didn't want to give the wrong impression that we were moral-less player killers, clearly that was a mistake or posting any of it to the wiki at all. My group and I will most certainly remember that when and if we add anything further to the wiki as it seems like a witch hunt out for blood with a mob mentality as far as zerging is concerned and anything that would imply it. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 06:31, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Once you found out, the better thing to have done would have been to drop the Preston Arms staff a line so they knew what was going on. As for the zerging, my previous point still stands. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 06:36, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Except for the part about how we decided to wait before posting he had rejoined, which I already said, I have to go, if you want to burn me on a steak you can burn my afk wiki account. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 07:01, 12 September 2011 (BST)
No, I mean that you could have contacted the Preston Arms when you found out that he went overboard and said: "We were haivng an RP event for our group, but one of our members went a little too far and attacked one of your members." Instead of making a BS post and trying to cover it up. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 07:12, 12 September 2011 (BST)
My apologies for poor editing, I assure you neither I nor any of my officers will be making posts for each other at any time in the future after this fiasco of calamity on our discussion page, assuming we're still playing in the future. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 06:34, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Honestly, it has nothing to do with poor editing, and everything to do with the fact that you're sharing UD and UDWiki accounts. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 06:36, 12 September 2011 (BST)
That you have no proof of further than a set of timestamps and posts that in reality prove nothing other than a series of points that show "this group could be zerging, but there's no actual proof, just a bunch of coincidences that look suspicious", again, if there's zerging going on, the game server would eventually ban the accounts after seeing enough matching IP hits I am sure. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 06:40, 12 September 2011 (BST)
I really do not have time to do this all night, let me hash this up; our officer attacked the Preston Arms feeling the need to retaliate to one of our members being attacked and a member of the PA defending the assaulter. Not only did we not actually kill the member of PA during the initial hunting down of the pker, we further legitimately helped them during said officer's attack before discussing the transgression with him. He was then banned from the forums, temporarily mind you. At around this point, which is about the time we spoke, decided to stage a siege on our own pub, during which time my character and a few of my group tracked down a member of the DEA which sapped the generator in the Kennen Building, then killed him. Instead of immediately posting the kill, which there is no record of, only when the dumbwit was taken, I had to deal with a crying baby and a dirty diaper, so Mitch, who at this point was IN MY HOUSE AND ON MY COMPUTER, took the dumbwit FOR ME and posted it on the wiki from his wiki account, and did a few other maintenance related things. At the time the timeline was updated to show him rejoining, he had long gone home. If you want to continue this absurd display it truly will be on your own at this point, I really do have to go now and take care of said once again crying baby. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 06:49, 12 September 2011 (BST)
The best part about a changing story is that the person doing the changes has to keep track of previous details as well as the new ones, while someone telling the truth, only has to remember what actually happened. Would you like to read your timeline and your previous statements in order to get your story straight? I can wait. Here, I'll leave you with another thing to think about while you get everything sorted out. If he went home after this edit, that means that this edit was either done at his own home, or you did it in IE after you made this post in firefox. Either way, that means that the story changed yet again.--Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 07:08, 12 September 2011 (BST)
I'm going to make this brief, if you really think we're zerging go post it on the zerge list, worst case scenario we go back to WoW. You ever been interrogated Akule? Maybe he's just having some difficulty thinking with you shining that birght light in his eyes and making him sweat, didn't he state he had been in a padded cell, might have mental problems? If anyone has made a spectacle today it has been you Akule. Go report us to the zerg liste and stop harassing us on our discussion page if you are that adamant about the zerg thing. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 07:16, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Similar indenting problems and posting style. Entertaining. I merely asked a question at first, he was the one to quickly post numerous replies, and even took the time to mock me. If he needed a break, he could have stepped away any of the numerous times he wished to, and replied later. I was happy to wait for a response. As for the changing story being due to a former mental patient cracking over "being interrogated", then should I point out after my post, he made this post which stated:
Zhekarius said:
Once more, all you have shown me is an update showing one of my officers, one that I talked on the phone with about his mutinous actions at about 6 PM, he didn't get around to actually getting on the game to play until roughly 10 where the post was made on the timeline about accepting disciplinary action for his actions. I don't like what you're implying, so if there's nothing further, this discussion is over. --ZhekariusThe BGZ CFT E! 01:21, 12 September 2011 (BST)
It's a simple matter for someone to recall if someone else was at their house an hour after talking to them on the phone. Yet, the story changed, and here we are. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 07:47, 12 September 2011 (BST)
All I'm seeing you do here is continue to dig through pages, and I really have to wonder if there isn't something more important you could be doing as you've been at this for quite awhile. I'm assuming the answer is no since you can't seem to repress the urge to continue posting. I'm sorry, are you a psychologist, do you know what sort of crap a combination of borderline personality disorder, post traumatic stress and heavy drug use can cause? No? Then don't act like you do, Zheke is a seriously distorted person and if he hadn't been our guild leader for as long as he has been and wasn't our friend in the real world, something you keep forgetting as far as all of your evidence and something you have no way to argue with short of "he said she said", he wouldn't be our leader at all, but he is, and listening to you gripe about someone taking offense to repeated insinuations of cheating is getting old, stop posting here. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 08:49, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Better yet I'll do you one better, after you "supposedly just asked a question" to the point where you got to the real reason you had even pointed it out in the first place then tried to act "holier than thou" by saying all you asked was a simple question, we'll make your life easy, as of three or so minutes ago we unanimously voted to go back to our original games, this group and all it's members are now dissolved indefinately. Want to bully people, have a nice time, it catches up to us all eventually, in one way or another. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 08:57, 12 September 2011 (BST)
The story didn't change, you just either don't know how to read or you're pulling what you want from the words and not what the words actually said, that statement you copied is a perfect example, he stated he talked to Greymanx12, and that Greymanx12 played on his character later at home, he didn't change his story before or after, simply did his best as a fucking autistic to explain that to you, or do you not understand what Asperger Syndrome is. Take it with a grain of salt Akule, he's never been good with his words, not that you did much better trying to decipher them, as you repeatedly stated things he said sounded muddled and you were having difficulty understanding him. Anyway, I'll leave you with that to think about, as me and the rest of my friends get back to our lives before this necrotic nightmare. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 09:16, 12 September 2011 (BST)
I probably don't need to point this out but he never stated when Greymanx12 supposedly went home, and we don't all have the same definition of a long time later, peace. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 07:28, 12 September 2011 (BST)
I'd like to add to this that I went home around 9:20 PM EST if it matters. Love him to death but Zheke is very bad at keeping track of things, our guild in WoW would have fallen apart if he was the only one leading it, I'm not going to make excuses for attacking The Preston Arms, when Trench Coated killed Chris the Switch and they defended him I acted on my own, maybe he should have just apologized like you said in the first place but he has to make everything dramatic, but like Snax said, whether or not we are cheating doesn't matter if you have decided we are, now does it, at least, not as far as how you're going to react to it. --Greymanx12 07:40, 12 September 2011 (BST)
As stated, it's the fact that your group is sharing accounts as that to why your members would be reported to the ZL. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 07:47, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Then go report all fourty of us and stop posting on our talk page. Like Greyman said no matter what any of us say to you you have come to your own conclusion. The simple truth, we don't care if you think we're cheating because the server knows otherwise, the game server that monitors the IP addresses. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 07:49, 12 September 2011 (BST)
As Zhekarius has already posted, he already knows that you can log into the wiki under multiple accounts at the same time using different browsers, and you know that the game monitors IP address. I'm sure you're all smart enough to know how to bypass those safeguards. Hence why the ZL exists. However, I will be happy to stop posting on your talk page, as you have requested. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 07:57, 12 September 2011 (BST)
You think too much Akule, good way to develope a complex. Want to chastise fourty plus new players coming into a dying game that hasn't been updated in at least two years that's population has shrank by at least, if not more than 2/3 of it's starting population between it's creation and it's oncoming demise because you can't accept that something is a coincidence? Go for it, there's two plush guilds on other games we have sitting around that we can get back to. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 08:02, 12 September 2011 (BST)
And if that's true, and somehow we are running 40 simultaneous accounts if not more, right now, do you honestly think the zerge list is going to stop it, what's to stop us from making a hundred more, a thousand more, running all of them at once? Obviously not or someone already would be. Knock off the conspiracy bull that you are instigating because you are clearly bored and do not post here again, thank you. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 08:04, 12 September 2011 (BST)
My argument was that you were sharing characters, not that one person was playing 40. Unfortunately, you admitted that indeed other players would use your account. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 10:10, 12 September 2011 (BST)

My final act as officer

Let me make a nice little outline of all the things just said for future reference. Akule asks a question related to an account, which he had no reason to ask if he didn't suspect something was not right, or more was sure of it. A small back and forth begins between him and Zheke. At which point he posted a series of interrigations looking for any sort of loop or hole to use as evidence of his belief. What has happened here is a fully functioning normal person causing a severely damaged autistic to have a psychotic episode which I had to deal with since I live upstairs and he's a friend. Allow me to clarify and straighten the crooked line Zheke attempted to walk that Akule apparently was too inept to follow while reading, he stated that our officer Mitch aka Greymanx12 attacked the Preston Arms by himself and his zombie followers after a player, Trench Coated who is now in the rogue gallery for killing our member a second time after the entirety of this event, was healed and defended by a member of the Preston Arms, Yo Dude Ya Hear, this player was not killed though was driven off with axes. Immediately after realizing what Mitch was doing because of a post on our forum we came to the defense of the Preston Arms. At this point, a post was made on the forums, and Mitch was given a suspension from the forums. Now, if you're still following me, it was stated numerous times above, before Akule began picking things apart for anything he could use as evidence, that a post was made, that it was discussed, and that later after talking to Mitch was decided to make a role playing event out of it in hopes that Mitch's little attack wouldn't cause us any trouble with the Preston Arms group and give a reason for him to change the tags back, what Zheke failed to mention and you immediately assumed was the case, was that Greymanx12 was not initially attacking the Blackholler Arms after the event at 3:00 AM or so that morning where Greymanx12, he joined in after he had went home, he's not the only zombie in the group and not the only one sending messages between the others, and was not on the game let alone on his character when all the events leading up to this occured. The two of them met up at Zheke's place, where Zheke was on his character playing urban dead. This was about the time a member of the Malton DEA attacked the generator, Zheke and a couple of our friends spread out, found him, and killed him. Zheke's daughter Rhilynn as he stated began crying at this point, when he asked Greymanx12 to use dumbwit to snapshot the kill for the wiki, which had to be done with the help of the back arrow on the browser because it wasn't taken at the time of the kill, this was stated. Whatever Greymanx12 did while Zheke was in the other room only he knows, but as far as the rest of us know, he took the snapshot, put them on the wiki under his username, then as far as we know, made a few other edits before returning the computer to Zheke. That is exactly what all that clutter up there says, and what I meant about getting what you want out of the words, anyone thoroughly reading back through all that mess will see what I'm talking about. Suspicious coincidences aside, no discrepencies were made today by our group or our leader, who are moving on after the chaos this has caused us in reality. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 09:50, 12 September 2011 (BST)

The story, as always, keeps making Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes. Thank you for further proving that your group members share characters, as you were able to give Snaxmaster to another player, and log into the account at any time you wanted. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 10:07, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Glad to see you have literally nothing better to do that look for conspiracies, hope you know you just sent my downstairs neighbor and friend into a psychotic rage that put him in the hospital and probably destroyed the relationship he was repairing with the mother, but then since this is just a fucking block of text to you you inhuman piece of shit that probably doesn't matter, or that I'm logged in on another IP address right now, maybe I was at his house idiot because he lives downstairs, of course since the only evidence that matters to you is the fucking wiki posts I could send you the fucking hospital papers with his fucking name on it when he gets back and you'd still find a way to make it sound like bullshit, seems that's all you do, find ways to make things sound like bullshit and check updates on this fucking wiki, go to fucking hell you morally deprived bastard. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 10:39, 12 September 2011 (BST)
Putting an end to this bullshit, goodbye jackass. --Snaxmaster BGZ CFT 10:42, 12 September 2011 (BST)
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