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scott-directed Blade Runner sequel. Thoughts? -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 05:56, 21 August 2011 (BST)

Please, oh please, don't let him make it into an Aliens vs. Predator vs. Replicants! Nono.gif
Personally, I don't see that anything needs adding to the original (well, not the original... but the cut where he went back and rejiggered it, esp. the end), and I'm not sure that such film noir would sell any better these days, than the original did. Seems like cashing in on a classic name, yet again. I hope it's done properly, for the sake of name, but wont be expecting much.
Cynical, eh ;) -- boxy 06:55, 21 August 2011 (BST)
I agree. I think it has more potential than other unnecessary remakes but yeah... -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 10:56, 21 August 2011 (BST)
Remake or sequel? 'Cause I'm pretty sure it was a book first. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 12:29, 21 August 2011 (BST)
Crap, don't know why I said remake. It's a sequel, but is set in the same universe with no real ties to the first one (no harrison ford, etc). So I dunno hey. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 13:50, 21 August 2011 (BST)
I'd be expecting a prequel, probably amongst the c-beams, near the tannhauser gate. A sequel about the coming replicant revolution/human rights movement wouldn't fit with the theme of the blade runner being pseudo-anti-hero character, pushing the profession to the clearly evil, IMO. Any other sequel would be just more of the same, with little to no hope of living up to the standard of the original for existing fans.
I don't like sequels and prequels much. Good ones are rare... and if a good one is made, it just encourages the dollars to be kept pumping in until they start making shockers. Case in point, Alien --> Aliens = great... then it starts going off the track until they end up with that bastardised AvP bullshite. Artists should know when their work is complete, and not be tempted by the bankers and accountants to make a quick buck by cheapening their masterpieces with knock offs Grr! Argh! *shaking fist* -- boxy 15:16, 21 August 2011 (BST)
^Send this man to Hollywood! -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 00:51, 22 August 2011 (BST)


Question, Ive just implemented a semi protection for an hour on spiderzeds talk page. Im assuming I record this fact on A/P A/VB and the page in question? --Rosslessness 23:10, 19 July 2011 (BST)

Yep, best to do so -- boxy 23:27, 19 July 2011 (BST)
Cheers, I dont think I've looked at the semi protection policy since the wiki upgrade was implemented. I'll look at possible uses this week. --Rosslessness 23:29, 19 July 2011 (BST)
Looks like you're going to have someone to test it out on ;) -- boxy 23:37, 19 July 2011 (BST)


You're apparently quite good at dying. ;P --Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 20:08, 30 June 2011 (BST)

It is what the undead do... walk headlong into shotgun fire Tongue :P -- boxy 13:51, 1 July 2011 (BST)
BTW, I see secret paite, who is above me on the list (dognammit!), dragged you, kicking and screaming, out of the mall today :D -- boxy 13:53, 1 July 2011 (BST)
Most likely. I've been getting killed a fair bit since the suburb was reclaimed, since alot of the old PKers are back. Good to see that you guys are back in force as well. It just wouldn't be Treweeke without you.--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 14:56, 1 July 2011 (BST)===A Challenge===

Hello, Mr. Boxhurr. I, Ryu, the greatest warrior, would like to challenge you to a duel. In fighting games. You have a choice of Super Street Fighter 2 Super Turbo, Street Fighter 3: Third Strike, Street Fighter Alpha 2 or 3 or, if you happen to have a 360, Super Street Fighter 4. If you are interested then I will give you the details on how we will play them.--You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!||||||||||||||||||||||||| 15:25, 27 May 2011 (BST)

Wat? Where?

As you wanted to know where. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Email? I haz sent -- boxy talkteh rulz 13:53 31 January 2011 (BST)
I haz replied --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:18, 31 January 2011 (UTC) --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


Hey man, do you remember a year and a half ago you showed me a link on IRC about that news report of the small rainfall in chile which knocked out power for 60,000 or so people? I've been googling it but I can't find it : ( do you have it hidden away somewhere, or remember what site it was from? Super thanks if you can help me out :D -- LEMON #1 15:19, 19 September 2010 (BST)

This probably isn't the link I had at the time, but I just googled up the story, "Tiny Drizzle Wreaks Havoc In Desert City", about Iquique being damaged by a rainfall of 0.2mm (their yearly average is 0.6mm) :D -- boxy talkteh rulz 14:39 20 September 2010 (BST)
My numbers were a bit out, but that's the one! My god, it's one of the funniest things I've ever read. Thanks heaps. -- LEMON #1 14:54, 20 September 2010 (BST)

First mall piñata: Calvert or Treweeke?

Hello there, it's been a couple of years since I last visited the wiki. I have something to ask that only you and perhaps Yonnua can answer.

Some members of LUE has been active again under the LUEshi's Rangers group, and today they took down Calvert Mall. Not only that, but they turned the mall complex into a piñata. However I got into a disagreement with a member of the group who has been claiming Calvert was the first mall to be turned to a piñata.

In the piñata talk page, I read that Treweeke was the first mall to be put to a piñata. But in the Calvert Mall page, someone from LUEshi's Rangers is claiming Calvert was the first. Could you please weigh in with your opinion on what happened? Thanks. --Aeon17x 15:42, 21 August 2010 (BST)

I don't know if Treweeke was the first mall to be Pinataed, but it definitely was for a short time when I posted on that talk page. Dead Animal patrols the Pescodcide/Dulston area, and often camps out in Treweeke. Over the last year or so, it's been ruined for most of the time, often with only a token feral presence inside, and with infrequent attempts from survivors to retake it. At the time, survivors were retaking corners, repairing and 'cading them, but not willing/able to take the whole mall. So there were often EHB, yet ruined sections of the mall, which made it ripe pickings for death cultists to pinata with minimal effort, thanks to the "help" of the half-hearted survivor efforts. I don't know who it was that actually did the deed, but I did see the results, with 3 corners at EHB and one at heavily, and all ruined, meaning that survivors had to break down the 'cades to get in. It lasted only an hour or so. As I said, I don't know if it was the first mall pinata, but it's the only one I've heard of until now -- boxy talkteh rulz 18:29 21 August 2010 (BST)
Basically, I'd say that while it's not clear Treweeke was the first piñatad mall, it's safe to say that Calvert was not the first, given that there's a record of at least one other mall being piñatad before it. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if a few other malls were turned into piñatas at some point in the past but no record was ever made of it. After all, the game has been going on for awhile, and piñataing a building isn't exactly a novel concept any longer. Aichon 21:54, 21 August 2010 (BST)
Don't remember which mall, but I had a moment a year back. A mall, pinated except for one corner, which was also ruined. I enter, only to find it empty. I repair everything, and since the other corner were all EHB, I basically took an entire Mall with minimum effort. Fun times. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 22:03, 21 August 2010 (BST)
Didn't they Pinata a mall for Sanhaim 3? I remember Dowdney Mall was fine one day and then ruined the next but I don't remember if they pinataed to do it or if they just broke down the cades and rushed in. Also I would recommend you ask someone in the RRF as I know the Gore Corps came close a number of times to doing that stuff -- Emot-argh.gif 22:36, 21 August 2010 (BST)
LUEshi's Rangers may stand corrected about the first mall Pinata to be achieved. I've always understood this game and it's community to operate under the standard of "pics or it didn't happen". From what everybody seems to be saying here, it can be accepted that malls have been pinata'd before, but it appears that LUEshi's Rangers may be the first survivor group to attack a populated mall and achieve a pinata. Does anyone have anything to say regarding that?--Hiro Kazama 04:38, 22 August 2010 (BST)
Yes: that you're wrong. Maybe you should stop thinking it in the terms of "how can we technically get away with this bragging right" and start thinking in terms of "what has actually happened in the game". Many witnesses above, all of which I would fully trust (since they aren't gaining anything out of what they are saying or claiming) are testifying that there have been piniata'd malls before. -- 04:41, 22 August 2010 (BST)
MOB and RDD hit a pinata in Stickling during the MOB's last roll through Shearbank too. I'd assumed at the time it was something that had inevitably been done a million times before, and I still believe that. Anyway, the Knights doing the pinata in Krinks ages ago would have the same, if not more, impact. The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 04:52, 22 August 2010 (BST)
I think you might be able to safely claim that you are the first PKing group of August 2010 to document on the wiki the act of piñataing a mall (and I assume you documented it, though I haven't checked). Beyond that, not so much. As for "pics or it didn't happen", not really. That only matters when it's "srs bizns" like competitions or when something factual is being contested. Otherwise, we generally take people at their word on mainspace pages, so long as it doesn't contradict existing facts, especially for something as mundane as piñataing a mall. And you can claim whatever the hell you want on your group pages, since pretty much anything goes there. Aichon 06:45, 22 August 2010 (BST)
Unless the MOB capped it then I don't think any of us did. Not that it matters. The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 06:57, 22 August 2010 (BST)
Well, MOB isn't going to piñata anything at all, since that would involve collaboration with breathers, which is anti-barhah. I could see Gore Corps or a death cultist group doing it, however, or even just a duo of PKers getting bored around a perpetually near-empty mall such as Treweeke. Aichon 07:40, 22 August 2010 (BST)
As expected they've documented the piñata of Calvert in their group page. The Calvert article on the other hand is starting to look like an extension of their group page and is very POV with all the gloating and challenging other players to 'prove' it isn't the first mall piñata, etc. --Aeon17x 13:13, 22 August 2010 (BST)
Yup, you are right. POV news entry moved to the talk page, where it belongs.--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 13:47, 22 August 2010 (BST)
I posted one line on the Calvert Mall page, asking for people to clarify the situation. If that's going to tread on your delicate sensibilities, then you all need to relax. You guys wonder why the community is dying? None of you seem willing to have any fun. I came here without attitude, asking if anyone could clarify the whole situation, and you've all become posturing, angry children, mad at the fact that we were proud of something we accomplished. So, we weren't the first. That's fine. Up til now, we've never heard of it being done. If nothing else, this is only a further achievement of what we set out to do. Enjoy the game, gentlemen. We'll see you.--Hiro Kazama 16:06, 22 August 2010 (BST)
Funny how you try to pretend that we're all MAD or something, just because you didn't like the answer you got on your question.--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 16:27, 22 August 2010 (BST)
Nah, I think you're all mad because of the way we're being told to quit trying to find ways to "technically brag" about what we did, and the insulting demeanor in which everybody is "discussing" the situation. Like I said... We were pretty sure we were the first group to achieve what we did. Everybody speaking on the subject seems to be more than happy to try and squeeze us under a boot heel for what amounts to a simple mistake that we were all more than willing to see rectified. We didn't, however, ask for everybody who spoke on the subject to be hateful, demeaning, and adversarial. That's on you guys, and speaks more of your characters than anything we could have done.--Hiro Kazama 18:48, 22 August 2010 (BST)
Huh? The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 18:52, 22 August 2010 (BST)
I don't know why they don't say, "first documented pinata" --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:54, 22 August 2010 (BST)
Because Treweeke was apparently documented with an accounting of it happening. Not as good a form of documentation, but documentation, nonetheless. Aichon 19:16, 22 August 2010 (BST)
You must be confused. At no point did I get upset with you or try to put you down in any way (if I had, you'd have known), though I am entertained by the low opinion you apparently have of me, since you think that a run-of-the-mill conversation like this would try my patience. Please review my comments to see that this is the case. You may disagree or infer some other intent from my comments, but I assure you, none was implied. That said, I do think that you now are sounding like a sore loser, ever since you were told that you weren't the first. Previously I did not think so, but your recent comments, both here and elsewhere, have convinced me otherwise. Aichon 19:16, 22 August 2010 (BST)
I do hope oneday you are able to look back on this conversation and see who is obviously upset. -- 23:05, 22 August 2010 (BST)

The danger report posted on 11 July for Stickling Mall reads "NW corner still up, rest of the mall is ransacked. Seven zeds inside, but the barricades are still up." This seems to indicate a pinata in progress. Chief Seagull squawkFree running! 19:11, 22 August 2010 (BST)

@Aichon, I can actually say for your part in this, I'm not actually directing any of my ire towards you. You've managed not to be condescending, for the most part. Overall, though, my defensive attitude on this wiki mainly stems from the reception I received on nominating the Rangers for best new group in the Malton Murder Awards. Every word I've had to say on the entire wiki seems to be met with spite, which has led me to view the community as xenophobic at best. As to the debate we seemed to be having, I've accepted that we weren't the first to accomplish a mall pinata. It's disappointing, but fine. We'll keep playing. What I continue to argue against here is the fact that you have a group of people here that are actively enjoying the game and attempting to be part of the community, yet the "old guard" seems to be unwilling to accept us because of reasons I'm not totally clear on. Did we just totally piss somebody off by merely THINKING we were the first to accomplish something, or is it the fact that we're proud of what we accomplished?--Hiro Kazama 21:25, 22 August 2010 (BST)
Honestly, i think far fewer people are annoyed with you than you think.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 21:30, 22 August 2010 (BST)
I really think you're over-reacting. I've not seen any real ire towards you guys (though you didn't do yourselves any favours vandalising the Loo Rangers page, but that's apparently put in the wind now), and the only reason any argument continues here is pretty much because you're stoking it. Trust me, there are plenty of genuinely combatative moments here. The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 21:35, 22 August 2010 (BST)
Cornholioo? Iscariot was far worse, when a group of sysops conspired to perma him before anyone noticed.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 21:37, 22 August 2010 (BST)
Yeah but Iz never got hirarious templates. The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 21:39, 22 August 2010 (BST)
Then I'll consider the entire matter closed. Believe me, all we want to do is participate and piss off survivors. I don't suppose anything needs to be, or should be, said on the subject. For my part, I'll apologize for coming off as defensively as I have.--Hiro Kazama 21:44, 22 August 2010 (BST)
While you're here, allow me to direct you to this.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 21:45, 22 August 2010 (BST)
Man, if I'm part of the "old guard", then anyone can get into this club. ;) In all seriousness though, I get what you mean (there's definitely some hostility towards newbies), but, in my book, new PKers are always welcome, including LUE folks (hell, I even have an old GameFAQs account somewhere that has access to LUE, though I never use it since I wasn't big on the place). I think people generally just don't like the bombastic types, but, as you point out, your goal is to piss of survivors, and being loud and proud about your actions is part of a schtick that works. I'd keep at it, in all honesty, despite any unfriendliness you might face. You'll run into some hostile reactions, for sure, but I'd imagine it's a fun way to play the game, and every good story needs a villain, which I'm sure people will love to paint you as. So long as you keep your noses clean and don't bring the drama to the wiki, I doubt any of us will really mind in the least. Aichon 23:00, 22 August 2010 (BST)
Do you really think that the entire community of older players hate you cause you nominated your group for Best Group? I barely even noticed, and all I did was say you were wrong with your claim after you demanded pictures of proof of something that had seemingly been done before but no one cared about it enough to document. I was just trying to get you guys to understand, and now you do, I have little care for this topic. -- 23:10, 22 August 2010 (BST)

fuck tha gr33ns

if you didn't vote for sex party I'll be very disappointed! -- 12:03, 21 August 2010 (BST)
You people and your "polotics". I should send the Queen out to slap you all. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:05, 21 August 2010 (BST)
make her slap a certified sex party member and film his reaction, then i'll approve -- 13:08, 21 August 2010 (BST)
Are you a psychic? -- boxy talkteh rulz 13:14 21 August 2010 (BST)
I call it sexvoyance! -- 14:00, 21 August 2010 (BST)


Hey! Could you swing by the DHPD forum at your earliest convenience? Thanks!-- BULLDOGC6 07:02, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Mr. Snuffleupagus

A vampire snuffleupagus, that is! {opens mouth wide with fangs showing, eyes turn red} RARRRGGHH! --Vampire Snuffleupagus 03:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


私達の投票を取除くことを止めなさい Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 03:22, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

What evah -- boxy talkteh rulz 05:26 19 December 2009 (BST)


Since boxxxy gets uncomfortable if you ask him if he has MSN I'll just post here!
hi sexbawks.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:10, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes I've got MSN, no, I don't use it much :p
I yanked my modem out, and by the time I got back, I was hoping you were getting some much needed sleep -- boxy talkteh rulz 07:41 15 December 2009 (BST)
Ha, as if. :/ -- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 12:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Your first pinata

Man no good deed goes unpunished. I was just wandering through and found the building empty with doors open ... so I barricade up and ran out of APs. I should have just jumped to a safehouse asap as I was in a hot zone but nooooooo I thought I was alright to stick around a little; next thing I know, I was hamburger meat. No grudge though, I was being a dumbass and paid for it ... got a revive the next day anyways so no big deal. See you around. --OO Willie 07:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Well Played

Looks like the mall's gonna swap back to you zeds.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:32, 9 September 2009 (BST)


Not sure if you're a foxtel man, but Movie Greats is showing Every Which Way But Loose and the sequel every couple of days, if you're interested. "Left turn, Clyde" :D --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 03:53, 31 August 2009 (BST)

"Any which way you can"? But alas, no foxtel here -- boxy talkteh rulz 10:27 31 August 2009 (BST)
Yeah, that's the sequel. The opening credits have Clint Eastwood singing a duet with Ray Charles, it's brilliant. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 10:32, 31 August 2009 (BST)
You haven't seen real talent until you've heard a Clint Eastwood/Lee Marvin duet :P -- boxy talkteh rulz 10:59 31 August 2009 (BST)
Ugh... Just for that, I'm delaying my viewing of Blade Runner by 2 more weeks!!! >=D --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 12:59, 31 August 2009 (BST)
You'll miss the Harrison Ford/Rutger Hauer duet at the end :p
Lee Marvin awesomeness (well, a tribute actually) -- boxy talkteh rulz 13:54 31 August 2009 (BST)
Ha. I just finished the Indiana Jones marathon on Movie One... I think I'm all Harrison Forded out :'( --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:59, 31 August 2009 (BST)

Your mother is a whore

and I love it--/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 09:47, 23 August 2009 (BST)

yo momma's givin' it away... and still no takers -- boxy talkteh rulz 10:05 23 August 2009 (BST)
Yo momma likes penis. --/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 10:08, 23 August 2009 (BST)
No your dad likes penis--DOWN WITH THE 'CRATS!!! | Join Nod!!! 16:55, 24 August 2009 (BST)

Whatcha' doin'?

The guys over at the Dulston Alliance wanted me to ask what Dead Animal was up to in the Pilton Building. I told them to cool their trigger fingers because last I heard you weren't exactly a death cultist and that doesn't seem to be a policy stated anywhere on the Dead Animals wikipage, or Redux. Just your rivalry with the Friends of the Featherstone Library. Do you play dual nature, or were you combat revived and are now just hanging around a bit? Let me know, or not. Thanks. --Mobius 20:37, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

He does tend to take it out on generators in NT buildings, but yeah, sticks to offing the FotFL guys mostly, these days. He does the dual nature thing, but only when supporting a rot revive point... there's a prime location for one on the Dulston/Rhodenbank boundary that he stumbled upon too, although I don't hold out much hope for the residents supporting such a facility -- boxy talkteh rulz 14:37 9 February 2009 (BST)
I would have to agree with you on that one. The concept of "Rot Revive Clinics" are about as foreign a concept to northeast locals as is the idea of real "mall tactics". That's why the Dulston Alliance doesn't see the mall as worth saving, not enough people know how to defend it to keep it. For now I'll let the Alliance know that you're not a death cultist, but if you get spotted/reported for GKing you'll still end up on the Black List. Just a friendly FYI. Oh, and if you want something to do as a survivor, restore Troubridge Cinema and/or St.Barbara's Church. I don't understand why the zombies keep messing with my "Night of the Living Dead" stuff. ;) --Mobius 19:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, one of the guys came along and sentenced me to death, indirectly, by repairing the ruin I was hiding in. Didn't take my zombie brothers long to find me after that. But it's alright, I have a purpose again, debarricading a NT, destroying it's genny, and calling the ferals in for a feed. Things are as they should be, again ;) -- boxy talkteh rulz 11:09 10 February 2009 (BST)
No such thing. You're just making it impossible for it to ever live period, the meta is always what defends the mall, the rest is just a distraction. --Karekmaps?! 01:35, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


Are you a girl?--Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 06:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

No. If I was I wouldn't be interested either :p -- boxy talkteh rulz 07:00 6 January 2009 (BST)
Are you sure?--Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 07:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm, I guess that depends... are you a girl? -- boxy talkteh rulz 10:29 6 January 2009 (BST)
Silly boxy. There are no girls on the internet. Why do you think you answered no?-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 12:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

why hello thar

sarp --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 10:21, 26 September 2008 (BST)

Where's ya bin, Bob? -- boxy talki 10:57 26 September 2008 (BST)
school and shit --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 12:44, 26 September 2008 (BST)

RE: Cheap shot

;) --Nallan (Talk) 13:57, 26 June 2008 (BST)

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Any thought on whats passing for News today? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:57, 28 May 2008 (BST)

It looks like the implementation of a suggestion that someone made here a while ago. Perhaps only on the suggestions talk page though. Hope repairing long ruined buildings gets an XP bonus -- boxy talki 13:02 28 May 2008 (BST)
Im just glad that work on Monroeville seems a bit more pointfull now. Wonder what else Kevan has got planned for MV?--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:30, 28 May 2008 (BST)


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Weapon's Proficiency Bull

This is horrible. So is the Guide you linked, no real neutrality what so ever. Specifically the weapons efficiency, it's wrong for one. Without data on the find rates that has been updated you can not claim that they are bad enough, and many figures show that they may well not be, to balance guns to claws. Not to mention that guns ammo searching isn't something that you count, that's just foolishness. If ammo is counted in the efficiency of the weapons for survivors barricades need counting for zombies, that's balanced statistics, instead you count the cost for pre-combat for one side and not the other. BTW, if barricades were counted you'd see how horrible zombie claws vs guns are, if pre-combat actions aren't counted you'll find that shotguns run at about 6.5 for their efficiency, not the measly 1.5 they are rated at in that Guide. PS, your guide purports a 1.7(without Flak) and is out of date by about 2 years, more recent research shows that search rates have nearly doubled, some are claiming it has tripled.--Karekmaps?! 13:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

If I'm coming off as a bit of an ass it's because I get really tired of some of the survivor crap spread around the wiki that masks the reality of the game and smudges the numbers to hide the true state of the AP imbalance.--Karekmaps?! 13:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
The out of date data is why I used 20AP... it's the number of AP a fireaxe takes to knock down a maxed zombie, isn't it? Not the most efficient, maxed out survivor weapon, but somewhere near it. Bringing barricades into it will severely complicate the issue, give that you'd have to factor in barricade construction on the survivor side... the article is just comparing ?rising with knockdown costs. I know the game is unbalanced towards survivors... but I think it's mainly because of survivor numbers... people want to play survivors to be the hero and because there's more options -- boxy talki 13:31 7 January 2008 (BST)
I'd have to say that the game encourages that behavior in the way the introduction and pretty much every single update has been done. Survivors frequently get all of the flavor and what flavor zombies to get they have to deal with their horrible weapons accuracy, move rates, and barricades to get to, the only zombie flavor which doesn't deal with those things is zombie speech. As for barricade build costs, no, you don't, just don't count ammo find rates which are frequently variable. As for using the Axe instead of the guns which have a far higher hit rate and even with ammo find rates incorrectly included(I'd have no problem with it's inclusion if the standard was the most data possible but in this case it obviously isn't what they chose to do) that also horribly smudges the issue as guns, with the newer search data, and even the older search data, save a large and significant amount of AP. That ignored, carry shotguns and needles, CR non-rotters, Shotgun rotters, suddenly it's not 20 AP to clear but with search rates you'll average about 15, less than a headshot, less than what it takes to kill yourself, and less than what it takes for another zombie to kill you. Shotguns are only slightly less efficient than CRing, because they don't have the stacked on other costs but, with the near search rates shotguns could easily be 5 or more AP lower than the 20 you listed based off of the Axe combat stats.--Karekmaps?! 13:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
It's complicated, I know, but even the most efficient weapon in the game (the pistol), in the hands of a maxed out survivor, and ignoring searching altogether, takes more than the 12AP you claimed against a maxed out zombie. Now if you want to expand on the complexity of the decision to ?rise depending on the zombies level, and likelyhood of getting headshot, feel free, but I think 12 is too low -- boxy talki 13:52 7 January 2008 (BST)
BTW, I agree wholeheartedly about the way the game is geared towards survivor updates -- boxy talki 13:53 7 January 2008 (BST)
Actually Boxy, it takes only 10., 13 if you count Flak Jackets., 8 if the the zombie doesn't have body building, 11 if they don't have body building and do have a Flak jacket. That doesn't include reloading for obvious reasons.--Karekmaps?! 13:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I edited in the pistol clarification while you were searching for the data, I expect. It says 16AP (ignoring searching) -- boxy talki 13:59 7 January 2008 (BST)
Pistols get about 16 AP, Shotguns are actually far better.--Karekmaps?! 14:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
If you factor in reload AP Pistols become better over time, add in search AP to the equation and pistols, I'd assume, are juggernauts because of the finding partially loaded guns. But like I said, if you're gonna do that you need to include everything that could be considered costs to get to combat in the equations, that includes barricades.--Karekmaps?! 14:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
But the whole point of ?rise is that you're already past the barricades... that's what makes it so efficient. All you have to do is ?rise -- boxy talki 14:07 7 January 2008 (BST)
Limitations and rewards, ?rise can only be done if you have AP so headshots actually lower the amount of damage ?risers can do. Barricades don't matter because this is about survivor AP expenditure but as combat is about immediate reward you don't factor in searches or AP spent on rebuilding cades, when PKers Pk survivors you don't factor in search rates for either side because that's pre-combat and even if you did we don't have the actual numbers so we can't do it, at least not with any semblance of correctness.--Karekmaps?! 14:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I've placed something on the ?rise talk page, I think it needs a whole new section to discuss when, and when it is not a viable tactic (if you don't mind I'll move this discussion there too) -- boxy talki 01:33 8 January 2008 (BST)
I'm fine with that, it's a tactic page, essentially, so more information on when to use it as opposed to the survivor view of how much is sucks to deal with could always help.--Karekmaps?! 04:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Good-o -- boxy talki 05:03 8 January 2008 (BST)

On a related note, do you find attacking the barricades from inside an efficient tactic in sieges? If I find myself inside, alone, and I haven't got enough AP left to take anyone out completely (seems pointless wounding someone, only to have them healed before anyone else gets in, FAKs are more efficient than any weapon), I will often knock a few levels off the barricades. Do you know how much more effective indoor barricade attacks are? -- boxy talki 05:03 8 January 2008 (BST)

All the numbers returned from it say it's horribly low, 5% at most, although I doubt it's more than maybe 2.5%, still, if it's HB^ it's actually a good idea to do it if you can't do anything else with your AP as the build rates are generally really low. I'd say it's less effective than attacking survivors but I'd be wrong FAKs and their 60% find rates take care of that. --Karekmaps?! 05:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
It must be pretty hard to collect that data. I might head down to the Quartly Library, and see if they're willing to help with some data gathering... well, once Giddings falls, anyway -- boxy talki 10:27 8 January 2008 (BST)

Visit this site

Pleaseee... look at this site :P

You are going to like it :)

--  Savant  Chit-Chat  15:24, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Excitement plus -- boxy talki 23:48 1 January 2008 (BST)

Signature Race're currently the #2 user...while I'm #3...Hmmmm....+1? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 00:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Boxy! Delete his comment!--  AHLGTG 21:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
How exactly does that count the links, is it +1 for each instance of linking or for each page with that link?--Karekmaps?! 21:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Each page with a link.--  AHLGTG 21:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Heh, I would if I was actually going for the win ;) -- boxy talkI 01:17 6 December 2007 (BST)
...and now he's number 3. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 21:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
At that time, you meant 4, right? Ah wells...I'm back to 3...Boxy! Only about 20-40 more edits till I pass you...I forgot which it was...I feel like going for the big challenge...Passing Matt... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 21:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


It's good to be back. Real life is great and all, but, y'know.--Cap'n Silly T/W/P/CAussieflag.JPG 06:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you get hooked on it just like that! :)--Cap'n Silly T/W/P/CAussieflag.JPG 06:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


*Hands you a button labeled 'Sue'. Here you go. Now we know your real name!  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  02:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I like your sig now :) -- boxytalk • 02:59 10 November 2007 (BST)
Thank you kindly, uh, sir or ma'am, I'm sorry for not knowing which.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  03:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I dont. It bold the timestamp. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 03:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Heh, I'm working on that problem.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  03:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Boxeeee is a box, stoopid peoples lolerz!11--  AHLGTG 03:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Well I like it a whole lot better than yours, Haggie :P Oh, and BTW, arn't you avoiding a 1 month ban from the A/VB archives? Shouldn't I ban you for an extra week? >:) -- boxytalk • 03:09 10 November 2007 (BST)
XD Hoisted by your own petard, Hagnat.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  03:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Oops... caught me. Guess i better ban myself again now that whatever i was trying to prove is already being discussed and half-way solved. And it's not like my uni project is could to complete itself if i continue to edit this wiki. See you guys in a few more days than... off to ban myself again i go. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 03:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Damn... I was looking forward to bringing down the banhammer too! But good luck with the uni stuff :) -- boxytalk • 03:22 10 November 2007 (BST)
You want to have the honors ? go ahead :) just make it so i get unbanned after november 24rd (my deadline to deliver that baby) --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 03:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh so tempting... but I'd better not :) -- boxytalk • 03:33 10 November 2007 (BST)

By the way, you know how you always have to put <nowiki> in front of a * at the beginning of a phrase? I created a template, Template:*, to prevent all that unncecessary typing. Just add {{*}} and you're able to move on.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  03:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that... will just have to remember it's there now -- boxytalk • 03:17 10 November 2007 (BST)
*Tries out the template* -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at these

1 2

I captured them at the time I posted here. Indeed wow.--  Savant  Chit-Chat  14:02, 13 October 2007 (BST)

Weirdness, probably caught the game being updated, or summit -- boxytalk • 03:52 14 October 2007 (BST)
Nope. It just happened. There was no update, or anything else. But, it always happens in the same time. Bug, or something else?--  Savant  Chit-Chat  10:05, 16 October 2007 (BST)
Has to do with style sheets and your computer/browser. Google "not reading CSS".--Karekmaps?! 20:01, 16 October 2007 (BST)

a cookie

Cookie.jpg A FREE COOKIE
hagnat has given boxy a cookie for something nice he has done recently.

A cookie for you mister, because i was too lazy to look for the gold and the basket. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 15:57, 21 September 2007 (BST)

Mmmm, choc chip! -- boxytalk • 16:04 21 September 2007 (BST)

re: Voting comments

No problem...

However, i hope i wasn't the only person who's received a similar message, since MANY people are doing the same thing... --WanYao 19:30, 16 September 2007 (BST)

Hey, what's up.

I see you've finally passed me on the most linked to pages! about time...

I'm going to open up a new bureaucrat election tomorrow, not only has darth been inactive then for a month, it's also the regular time for it. Just a heads-up.-- Vista  +1  01:53, 3 September 2007 (BST)

Fairy nuff... oh, and if you didn't keep going AWOL, I wouldn't have a chance! ;P The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talkcontribs) at 11:07 3 September 2007 (BST)
Neh, If I hadn't started a year before you I would've been behind from the start. Any way. The round is up now, go have a look who's likely to be you new colleague.-- Vista  +1  00:07, 4 September 2007 (BST)

Alt Policy

Replying here instead of spamming Kevans talk page...

From the FAQ, Am I allowed to play multiple characters? You are, provided that they lead completely separate existences within the game... clearly having multiple alts in the one group, working towards the same goal is not leading "completely separate existences"! Your group may avoid zerg flags by keeping alts in separate suburbs, but it's still alt abuse and against the game rules as set out in the FAQ The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talkcontribs) at 11:53 27 August 2007 (BST)

Our policy is to remain within the rules of UD - multiple alts within one group are not outlawed - "Groups are not even mentioned as unifiers for collaboration between characters - buildings, characters (both yours and an enemy) and suburbs are. So we must conclude that having 2 zombies in the same group is not a illegal activity, and hence not cheating." Kevan allows the Group tag to be entered in player's profiles, yet does not refer to groups in the multiple characters section of the FAQ. An oversight? Possible, but not likely.--Brainz 12:06, 27 August 2007 (BST)
That just doesn't cut it. What don't you understand about "completely separate existences"? Working towards the same goal, with the same group of zombies, just in a different suburb is collaborating with your own alts. I can't stop you, nor do I care to pester Kevan to do anything about it, but don't go crying when people accurately describe it as alt abuse, because that's exactly what it is The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talkcontribs) at 12:13 27 August 2007 (BST)

Characters should not collaborate. What constitutes collaboration? Well, operating 2 zombies ANYWHERE in Malton could be considered collaboration on a high meta-level, since both are killing survivors and could be considered 'working towards' the same goal. Especially if both zombies are following the same tactics. But this sort of 'collaboration' cannot be considered illegal - Kevan could easily include a rule not allowing a player to have more than 1 zombie, but hasn't.

Additionally, Kevan does not outlaw having more than 1 zombie in the same group (or working towards the the same goals as defined by a group). Again, this could easily be included as a rule, but is not. Groups are not even mentioned as unifiers for collaboration between characters - buildings, characters (both yours and an enemy) and suburbs are. So we must conclude that having 2 zombies in the same group is not a illegal activity, and hence not cheating.

The Anti Cheater Alliance page and Multi Abuse page expand on the information in the FAQ as to what constitutes cheating. Specifically they mention that using information gained by one character to inform and influence the actions of another of your characters is cheating. I.e. Passing information between characters is illegal collaboration. Passing information to another player, however, is legal collaboration (and is what happens in groups).

Extinction does allow multiple alts and zombies in it's group. But as long as each player does not collaborate between his own characters, the 'meta-collaboration' of working within the same group does no constitute cheating. Ergo, Extinction are not cheaters. --Brainz 12:20, 27 August 2007 (BST)

It's alt abuse, get over it, cheater. And I don't appreciate cut'n'paste replies that I've already read elsewhere The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talkcontribs) at 12:24 27 August 2007 (BST)


Uh, you feeling OK? You seem unusually bad-tempered and unsigningful. eg. 1. WTF Spam - This isn't a suggestion, it's a random, incomprehensible rant The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 12:22 19 August 2007 (BST) --Cap'n Silly T/W/P/CAussieflag.JPG 12:46, 19 August 2007 (BST)

lol, ok. :P--Cap'n Silly T/W/P/CAussieflag.JPG 12:53, 19 August 2007 (BST)
Ahh, that unsigned thing is a sig, you tricky bugger! :)--Cap'n Silly T/W/P/CAussieflag.JPG 13:01, 19 August 2007 (BST)
I'm not too high on the IQ chart, no. :)--Cap'n Silly T/W/P/CAussieflag.JPG 13:05, 19 August 2007 (BST)


Welcome, I didn't see where or when you signed up! --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 04:59, 12 August 2007 (BST)

Ta, I snuck in the back door while Swiers wasn't lookin' ;) The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talkcontribs) at 06:54 12 August 2007 (BST)

The Cap Is A Dude

So boxy, i see you're still scaring the crap out of me by being on when I least expect it. :P I guess I'll hang around another day, but the new suggestions system is spooky :/. Also, I should get bored of Kingdom of Loathing pretty quick, unless I'm tempted by shiny objects.--Cap'n Silly T/W/P/CAussieflag.JPG 13:03, 10 July 2007 (BST)


u suk lololol--Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 03:59, 9 July 2007 (BST)

What can I say, you make a good point >:) -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 06:39, 9 July 2007 (BST)
Very useful feedback lolz. --JudeMaverick Talk +1 Jobs 09:47, 9 July 2007 (BST)

Like, Ewww!

Ick, brown is like sooo 2005! Why is your, like, sig, and user page, and life all brown and yucky?--Lachryma 07:31, 25 June 2007 (BST)

Did you use your old sig on my talk page as some way to like, shut me up, perhaps? Oh well, maybe you'll have a midlife crisis one of these days and decide everything should be, like, red...--Lachryma 07:36, 25 June 2007 (BST)
Vista will be appalled. Or something. Or maybe he'll change his sig to be all ugly-ish too...*sobs*--Lachryma 07:44, 25 June 2007 (BST)
And, like, what's the 'Cologne Blue skin'?--Lachryma 07:45, 25 June 2007 (BST)
It's okay, I guess...Ah, what the hell, I'll like try it. But why is 'chick' so fething ugly and jacked? What's that supposed to mean? Huh?!--Lachryma 07:55, 25 June 2007 (BST)
Never mind, that Cologne skin makes my user page look all jacked. Wasn't it you who complained that you couldn't see my templates? Well, now you know why...--Lachryma 07:57, 25 June 2007 (BST)
'Chick' looks like the wiki when you're using mobile web on a cell phone. Are they saying us girls see the world, the web, the wiki and everything through our cell phones?! And I'll never fix my page just for you! ;)--Lachryma 08:29, 25 June 2007 (BST)
Not even to see my newest, brightest template?--Lachryma 09:02, 25 June 2007 (BST)
That template is beautiful and you're just jealous!--Lachryma 18:53, 25 June 2007 (BST)
Sure, it made your eyes bleed, but have you ever seen a brighter template? Huh?? It's unique!--Lachryma 07:45, 26 June 2007 (BST)
This one? It's not really bright, and Ev said he was drunk when he drew that image, but it's still not bright enough!--Lachryma 07:58, 26 June 2007 (BST)

Alleged Grammar Whining

I put this here just to confuse you. Hopefully you won't use the history tab. Anyway, I've been fixing random typos and the such for a long time. You don't know the half of it! (Usually cuz I don't bother to write a summary. What do I care what people see on Recent Changes?)--Lachryma 05:45, 2 June 2007 (BST)

"Life Cultist" Discussion

I just noticed this quote from you- "Guns should have two uses (from a life cultist POV), getting the zombies back outside, where they belong, or clearing revive queues". Quite true, and not an easy point to grasp for some people. The main purposes of the Imagine organization and Imagine/Nation (although I have not yet layed this out in so many words- I need help with the writing, I think) is to promote this notion and to develop strategies and tools that will maximize the effectiveness of the "life cultist" play-style; I'd like to invite you to join the board. --Seb_Wiers VeM 15:42, 12 May 2007 (BST)

I'll have a look at it after the suggestions change has settled into a routine. Interesting, I'll look at probably writing some stuff for it if you like -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 10:28, 13 May 2007 (BST)
Oh, and meant to say, "life cultist" has already been taken, as a descriptive term, and doesn't quite fit with the way I used it in the quote above, or your imagine ideal either (I think). Perhaps another term is more appropriate (although I like the term myself, just a pity it's already taken) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 10:30, 13 May 2007 (BST)

Watch out

Heh, watch out, I'm going to over take you. =P - JedazΣT MC ΞD GIS S! 12:31, 6 May 2007 (GMT)

Ha, you sure it's no me that just overtook you :P -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 14:07, 6 May 2007 (BST)
And I lapped both of you. you guys are... slow...--Vista 15:34, 6 May 2007 (BST)
If you've lapped us... I hate to think how far ahead Xoid is! No wonder he needed a break -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 15:39, 6 May 2007 (BST)
Heh, you did, but at least I have an excuse, I was banned for a few weeks and then decidedly inactive for a few more weeks after that, so that gave you a good chance to over take me. Xoid was just around for a long time and made a consistant amout of edits each day which got his name on different pages. Thats why he was nearly at 1000 page links by the time that he left. - JedazΣT MC ΞD GIS S! 21:51, 6 May 2007 (GMT)
Phah, balderdash and poppycock, I timed out for half a year. Before I left I was ranked as 3rd most linked to user, with Grim S above me somebody I forgot. When I returned I dropped out of the top 20. Had I stayed active I'd probably be close to Xoid right now.--Vista 11:54, 7 May 2007 (BST)

Heh, just so you are up to speed with everything Boxy, we now have a page for this "Signature Race". I think you should join in to make things more interesting. - JedazΣT MC ΞD GIS S! 12:42, 7 May 2007 (GMT)

Siggy Racey

Hehe, I like your nomination for most creative page gain! --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 08:04, 22 May 2007 (BST)

3 minutes of your life down the drain

Pretty tragic, eh? :P--Cap'n Silly T/W/P/CAussieflag.JPG 09:42, 30 April 2007 (BST)

Heh, I must remember to smack you up side the head again, when I see ya next :) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 09:51, 30 April 2007 (BST)
You'll never find me! On the condition you never look at the Ghetto Cow page.--Cap'n Silly T/W/P/CAussieflag.JPG 12:33, 1 May 2007 (BST)

Is it me?

Or is the wiki a little more quiet these days? I have most of the admin pages and the like on watch, and not much in those areas has been happening. I suppose that means no drama happening! Which is good. But I dunno, it just seems quiet. Either that, or I'm very busy. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 09:51, 31 May 2007 (BST)

Text Editing

Yea, using Word pad would have worked if it recognised part of words...I pretty much had to go and change each sig-template as I came across it. it only took an hour or so... Conndrakamod TDHPD CFT 10:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I woulda sent it searching for the {{User part, still gotta get the rest of the template, but at least no searching, and it could automatically change that with a click of the button. Still a grand pain in the arse, no doubt about that! -- boxy T L PA DA 10:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Propaganda Drop

Please do! I find the official templates to be rather dull anyhow. "NPOV", "Neutrality", such boring words, not to mention the images and colors that come with it. I believe that's the only template I created that could really be used (other than the "fascists" template found on a few user pages). -Certified=InsaneQuébécois 21:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


You scummy little box! But, with the number of zeds outside, I don't think we'll be at Nichols for long. --Cap'n Silly T/W/P/CAussieflag.JPG 11:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

It's just cause survivors ain't what they used to be. --Cap'n Silly T/W/P/CAussieflag.JPG 18:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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