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I disagree with you regarding redirecting the word Umbrella. There is a solid difference between Umbrella Corporation and Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service. There was never a need for this from either groups. --Thadeous Oakley 13:17, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

There may be, but two groups in the city have "Umbrella" in their name, and in the interest of imparality, one should not be favored by using a redirect. Linkthewindow  Talk  13:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
There is the issue that the Umbrella Corporation was around far longer then the UBCS, they should have considered another name back then.--Thadeous Oakley 13:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
The page is now protected in the form of the disputed edit (i.e Boxy's). Take it to arbitration and don't start edit wars over something as simple as a redirect. Thank you. -- Cheese 13:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
If there is a edit war then it should be sorted out with arbitration, in the meantime the page stays in the original form until the ruling. Misusing sysops powers is not what you do. Unprotect the page return to the original form and then take this to arbitration.--Thadeous Oakley 13:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it's not misuse. Quoting the Guidelines "In the event of protection, a system operator is expected to protect the page in whatever state the page was in at the time the request is reviewed, regardless of its original state."-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 15:34, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
That's not point. If I were to "edit" a page because I disagree with the content I would be told to go to arbitration. I go there, and during the arb case which version of that page would be kept up? The original one or the one with my vandalizing edits? Good answer: the original one. I have experienced myself that this goes this way. Now I am asking for the same treatment of this redirect page, is that odd?--Thadeous Oakley 16:10, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Its only one way because of precedent. It could just as easily be the other, any time a sysops wanted to do it another. You also have to remember the whole "Personal Judgment" clause.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 16:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
The arbitration reversion clause only applies if you have an active and open arbitration case. You don't. You haven't started one. The page in question is protected due to an edit war, therefore the prevailing precedence is the Protections Guidelines that state the page will be protected in its current state when the protections request is reviewed. There is no abuse of sysop powers here. Go start an arbitration case disputing Boxy's edit, until that case resolves you can have the page reverted. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 16:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Alright, so according to Suicidalangel it depends on the personal choice of the sysops and according to Iscariot it depends whether the page falls under the protection or arbitration precedence? Uhm okay, since Iscariot's tale seems more logical I will go along with that. I am gonna wait for Boxy's response for now.--Thadeous Oakley 17:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
And of course, you interpret it wrong. It depends on BOTH. If a sysop feels it's in the communities best interest to do something differently than the guidelines or precedent state, then he can. If he doesn't, he follows the well established precedents and guidelines.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 18:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
The reason that I decided to make a disambiguation page is that there is at least one person out there who is using the similarity of the names to cause confusion as to whose forum is being linked to. And the similarity of the logos and page looks are also confusing. It needs to be clear that the groups can easily be confused. If I have it right, one of these groups split off from the original to form a splinter group? -- boxy talkteh rulz 23:29 29 December 2008 (BST)
Close. They had an arby case a few months ago over this. It's quite stupid and it's all here if you want to read it over. Basically Haliman took up an open offer from Airheadoh to take over UBCS. Haliman and Umbrella had a big falling out in the past over something and they (Umbrella) didn't like this. So they pretty much made it difficult as hell for him to take over (and he was making it difficult for them to stop him taking over). At the end of the case we had two UBCS groups and this is just the aftershocks of that since the 6 week no speaky condition ran out a few weeks ago. -- Cheese 00:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Sheesh. So... was Umbrella Corporation originally the "mother group" to UBSC (and other umbrella sub-groups), and since Haliman took over, USBC split off altogether and now they've become enemies? -- boxy talkteh rulz 00:14 30 December 2008 (BST)
Pretty much yeah. -- Cheese 00:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I can make this allot more complicated: Again, the original Umbrella is the Umbrella Corporation. It's not my fault he (haliman) chose to create a similar like group. Secondly, there isn't just an Umbrella and a UBCS. You have the Umbrella Corporation and there are the different UBCS's. You have the Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service, the U.B.C.S._Merc-for-hire and finally the youngest and haliman's one, the Umbrella Biohazard Containment Service. That's three group's alone who all use the UBCS acronym and begin with "Umbrella". We never had any issues with them about the "Umbrella Redirect" page not even with haliman's one (though I am sure he wants to keep it now). Why wont we add them all to the disambig page while were busy. Oh and disambig of the word "UBCS" needs to be enlarged aswell. Oh, and do outdated and inactive groups count to? Cuz then we need to drag this one in too: Umbrella Special Operations Unit. Nothing bad intended or anything Boxy, but your opening Pandora's Box. On a another note, you should know that in the Resident evil/biohazard universe Umbrella is the big evil pharmaceutical corporation and the Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service is Umbrella's own PMC. When using the word Umbrella one usually means the first while for the latter almost always the acronym UBCS is used. Hope this clears things up, probably not though. --Thadeous Oakley 00:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been ignoring this whole multiple Umbrella orginisations confusion thing for a while now because it was all just too much hard work to figure out. The latest spate of vandalism has meant that something needs to be done to sort this out, and make it clear what pages belong to what organisation, and I feel that a disambiguation page is the best way to do this, and yes, I was going to expand on what I had put there, listing all your sub groups under your heading, but it's been locked now. What do you think about making the Umbrella page more than in addition to being a disambiguation page? Somewhere that explains the relevant Resident Evil history, as well as the history of the Umbrella/UBCS groups in Urban Dead -- boxy talkteh rulz 01:06 30 December 2008 (BST)
Well I have gone ahead and expanded the disambig of UBCS. Uhm, you can't just unlock "Umbrella" and add the rest then in the meantime? I am pretty sure you are a system operator. Or do we need to go through some sort of "unlocking process" first? As for your plan of expanding "Umbrella" in a page that explains the different presences of Umbrella and its relations in Malton, well that's a very nice idea :). However, with all the hostility ;{ its probably hard to make it NPOV in a way everyone can agree with.--Thadeous Oakley 12:46, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
You can request edits at A/PT. Linkthewindow  Talk  12:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I could edit the page, but it would be against the rules. I've got to go through A/PT like everyone else. I suggest you pick someone impartial to you both, agree to let them decide what goes on the page, and then open up a discussion in neutral territory, like arbitration -- boxy talkteh rulz 12:51 30 December 2008 (BST)
I am pretty sure I have dispute with you over that page, Boxy. Look, either we revert the page to its original state or we add all the other groups I named aswell. Atleast, that's what needs to...arh. --Thadeous Oakley 12:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't care who you pick, just someone that has no vested interest. I might even put my 2c in as well, because the confusion makes the sysops job harder. It needs to be extremely clear who owns what page, so that the vandalism that has been going on lately can be easily spotted and evaluated -- boxy talkteh rulz 13:03 30 December 2008 (BST)
Your losing me. I dont wanna look stupid on you but this is confusing .There's only one person which I have a dispute with about the "word" Umbrella and that's you. If your meaning this guy here:User:Haliman111 , well he is not involved atleast not with this. If I go A/PT and request that the other groups are added to the disambig of "Umbrella", will that be okay?--Thadeous Oakley 13:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Sure. If you agree not to revert it to a redirect, I'll ask for it to be unprotected, and it can be expanded upon -- boxy talkteh rulz 00:59 31 December 2008 (BST)
I agree not to revert it back to a redirect and I am for expanding the current disambig.--Thadeous Oakley 11:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Can I have a private chat about the vandalism, Boxy? I have a few questions... They can be on my forum, or anywhere private, just not here with all of the.... Eyes.
Forums: --Haliman - Talk 20:21, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh the secrecy, lol...That would be a NPOV chat, right?--Thadeous Oakley 23:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
You can email me by using the link attached to this page if you must -- boxy talkteh rulz 02:03 2 January 2009 (BST)

UBCS Merc-for-hire

Hi, Boxy. Look, I'm in charge of the UBCS Merc-for-hire, and I noticed you changed the page name to Umbrella Corporation/U.B.C.S. Merc-for-hire... This is inacurate. We are contracted by Umbrella corporation, and I am a full-time member of their group, but the UBCS Merc-for-hire is a sovereign entity, predating the Corporation by about a year in UD alone. Though I appreciate the link to our page in the UBCS redirect page, could you please undo all the changes you've made to my group's page. Thank you, Leon Cane 14:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

You're giving mixed messages here... you say you're a full time member of the corporation, the group is "contracted" by the corporation, yet somehow you're saying it isn't a sub-group? That would seem to be the definition of what a sub-group is -- boxy talkteh rulz 00:58 31 December 2008 (BST)
Well... We're not. I, personally, am I member of Umbrella, which does not reflect my group, who are not. My group is, however, under contract to Umbrella because we are mercenaries, and they have the highest bid. If you'd take a look at our "Who We Are" section, there's a good bit of information that suggests that we are not, in fact, a sub-group. At any point, I can simply terminate our contract and my team moves on; we in no way are dependent on Umbrella, nor they to us. We belong to no-one. But listen, what it comes down to is this: It is my group. You have posted fallacious information on its page, and I request that your remove it. Thank you, Leon Cane 02:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Is this one of those alt abuse things, where you're in the parent group, and also in the daughter group with another alt, trying to make out they're separate entities? Regardless, your roleplay explanation doesn't convince me. You could try to convince another sysop on A/MR, I guess -- boxy talkteh rulz 15:25 31 December 2008 (BST)
Now you're just being petty. WV is a member of DORIS and the Philosophe Knights, are you saying he's alt abusing? Or that the Knights are a sub group of DORIS, or vice versa? You going to refuse to move the PK back into their own namespace if someone pushes through a move to associate them under DORIS? -- Iscariot 17:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
No. I was genuinely asking a question, Iscariot. I wasn't sure if he was talking about two characters, one in UBSCmercs and one in UCorp. The whole set up sounds like the DEM or Extinction, and I see their having alts in multiple, closely allied groups as alt abusing. (BTW, I put your sig in for you, hope you don't mind) -- boxy talkteh rulz 01:22 1 January 2009 (BST)
No. The UBCS is not a subgroup. They are our closest allies. The fact that Leon Cane works at both groups is a cause of our good relationship not the reason. There is no zerging, there is only one Leon Cane out there, and he has UBCS Mercs in his grouptag and yes he is active on both group forums. Now unless that is forbidden by wiki regulations I really don't see a reason why UBCS Mercs must be categorized as subgroup against there own will.--Thadeous Oakley 12:01, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
OK, I moved it back. It's all seems a bit incestuous though :p -- boxy talkteh rulz 12:47 1 January 2009 (BST)
We are a very complicated group, both in structure and relationship :P.--Thadeous Oakley 13:26, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


Aren't there any rules for things like these?--Thadeous Oakley 11:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and they include taking it to arbitration so that you can present evidence before changing another groups sub-pages -- boxy talkteh rulz 11:53 29 December 2008 (BST)


If you can please get on, I think we needs to talk about something sooner rather than later.--Karekmaps?! 08:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't use IRC much at all. Want to email me (the email via the wiki is activated) the one we're using these days (last one I know of was the nexuswar one) -- boxy talkteh rulz 09:00 28 December 2008 (BST)
Sent, I really dislike the way emails are handled though. And it's still the nexuswar one that grim set up a while ago.--Karekmaps?! 09:12, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Next time either of you are on could you ask Revenant to unban me? --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 09:32, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
hahahaha.--xoxo 01:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Laugh it up faggot, IRC is small potatoes next to the shitstorm you've brought upon yourself. Enjoy your impending demotion. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 02:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
The wiki is srs business hey bawb ^.^--CyberRead240 04:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
ouch.--xoxo 04:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Move request redirects

Don't think they're scheduled but by their very nature they should really be deleted once all old links are cleared, unless of course there are trillions of them. I'm too lazy to actually check scheduleds so i could be wrong. Just wondering what the generally accepted approach is?--xoxo 12:05, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

If you move a page, you can (scheduled) delete the redirect that gets automatically created in it's place, as long as there are no links to the redirect page (other than from admin pages like A/MR and A/SD) -- boxy talkteh rulz 13:36 25 December 2008 (BST)
If someone else moves and decides (slash is too lazy ) to move it and i wander in and want it gone?--xoxo 13:37, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Use your judgment. If it seems obvious that there could be no legitimate reason to leave the redirect... fix the links and bin it. Don't just do it as a matter of course -- boxy talkteh rulz 16:29 25 December 2008 (BST)


Since we're already in the middle of one case over edit wars, it might be easier to resolve this here. You'll notice, if you actually read the top of the talk page, that The General makes note of the policy being under discussion under the same title and being archive by mistake. This is why it was entered for voting early. Now, one of you is breaching policy, either him for entering the policy early and attempting to subvert the voting process, or you for removing valid votes on a policy under voting.

Which is it? -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 04:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

If the policy was actually as good as it should be, I'd probably say that putting it straight to a vote was within the spirit of the policy, but given the fact that there's at least one very confusing grammatical problem with it, meh, "a coupla days...'" -- boxy talkteh rulz 05:00 24 December 2008 (BST)
Is meh your official response as a sysop? The policy concerning suggesting and entering policies for voting is clear, it has the qualifier should. The General's explanation on the talk page is one that I'd view as sufficient for this qualifier to take effect. In which case you have incorrectly removed votes from a policy under voting, therefore I'd like a more definitive answer than meh. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 05:20, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
If he wants to take me to A/VB, he can, and I'll even put my hands up and take a warning for it, for messing with his policy. But I feel that it was an edit in good faith to improve his policy, and it's chances. Go annoy him about reporting me if you want. I don't mind -- boxy talkteh rulz 05:25 24 December 2008 (BST)

RE: Arbitration

Since I am apparently acceptable to both of you, the case St. Iscariot vs. Boxy has been opened. --WanYao 06:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I've started a (hopefully) brief cross-examination phase. After Iscariot reponds to my question, I'm permitting you a brief rebuttal to the question. There may or may not be a few more questions... Thanks. --WanYao 19:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Waiting on Iscariot's concluding statement to the Arby, followed by yours. Thank you. --WanYao 07:21, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Is this step even really necessary? I'd think you'd have enough information to at the very least be inclined to rule one way or the other at this point. There's a A/PT request waiting on the outcome.--Karekmaps?! 07:23, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Our lovely discussion has been archived...

Moved from Nubis's page

Is there more to this discussion? It shouldn't be lost to the archive.

quite frankly i'd be glad if you thought nick and jed were the same account. I mean it's so apparent we aren't. If you suspected us i'd be all like "lol what a douche he thinks we're the same person" coz like, who the fuck could be bothered acting like different people for 2 yearss??? that shits stupid....xoxo 05:07, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
  1. 03:46, December 17, 2008 J3D got IPs for Nallan on ud_wiki
  2. 03:45, December 17, 2008 J3D got IPs for J3D on ud_wiki
  3. 03:45, December 17, 2008 J3D got IPs for Boxy on ud_wiki
  4. 07:01, November 23, 2008 J3D got IPs for J3D on ud_wiki (added)
Interesting. Did boxy give you permission to check his IP? Was he vandalizing or suspected of account sharing/sock puppets? Why would you need to get IP information on yourself and Nallan? --– Nubis NWO 23:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Just a sneaking suspicion i had about those 3...--xoxo 23:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Trying to find out where I live again, eh J3D? I hope you're not planning on sharing the big info with your buds -- boxy talkteh rulz 00:44 18 December 2008 (BST)
I wish i was that internet capable...--xoxo 04:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
If you already checked his you'd know that they probably already checked it themselves with his sysop privileges.--Karekmaps?! 10:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Proof plz. I'm the only person who knows the password to this account.--xoxo 00:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Check User from the 14th lends itself to a different conclusion.--Karekmaps?! 01:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't check that one. Interesting. So the J3D account and the Nallan account are used from the same computer at times. I see two options of what went on on December 17;
  1. either Nallan logged in as J3D and used the sysop tools to look up the IP details listed above and make inane posts on multiple admin pages;
  2. or J3D looked up the IP details above, and noticing that Nallan was showing up as using the same IP he went about making damned sure that I checked it out in the hope of creating a dramafest by checking my IP details, and making posts on A/PT and signing as Nallan.
I'm inclined to go for option 2, because he even went to the trouble of IP checking a non existent user, presumably refering to this post of Nallans] which looks very much like something a friend would do if they managed to log in to the accoun ("I'm feeling niggardly LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL (nigger)"). Worst case senario, other kids have access to J3Ds account, best case, J3D is using his checkuser abilities to stir up drama because he's bored with it already -- boxy talkteh rulz 07:21 19 December 2008 (BST)
This seems like something Kevan would be interested in. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 07:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
WOW!! You guys have really fucking overactive imaginations! I couldn't think up such a tale of intrique if you paid me! Anyway as well as being astounded i should probably offer up an option number 3. Nallan and I are real life friends, you should all be aware of this, we don't hide it. As real life friends we visit each other at home (each other's IP addresses) and thus on occasion edit from one anothers IPs. I'm fairly certain this is well within the bounds of the guidelines. Now you sure fucking don't have to believe me, but i don't really care either way, this is simply if you're interested - No one edits off my account except me. I can't guarentee you no one edits off Nallan's account except him but i sure haven't. Anyway that is pretty much the story. I love it how the option with the most simple explanation is the one you all fail on.--xoxo 04:03, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
lol this shit made my day. Kevan must be alerted! fucking gold.--Nallan (Talk) 04:52, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
You do realise that that explaination is basically the same as option 2, except it neglects to explain why you felt it neccessary to look up my IP details, the IP details of a non existent user and act like a prat on multiple admin pages -- boxy talkteh rulz 22:39 20 December 2008 (BST)
"noticing that Nallan was showing up as using the same IP he went about making damned sure that I checked it out in the hope of creating a dramafest by checking my IP details" How is that even remotely like what happened??? --xoxo 14:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

The above moved from Nubis' talk page -- boxy talkteh rulz 10:10 28 December 2008 (BST)

Continued discussion

I'll guess you'll never find out the answer ;) --xoxo 03:44, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Unless it shows up here... --xoxo 14:31, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
So you want to continue the drama, but strangely you move the discussion, and your reply to me to someone else's talk page. Good work, chum, way to show me that you didn't do it all for the excitement -- boxy talkteh rulz 01:39 22 December 2008 (BST)
Yeah, coz i totally moved it :|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:| L2history. --xoxo 02:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
OK, sorry. It was Nubis who brought it back out. You still haven't explained your random IP checks though -- boxy talkteh rulz 04:51 22 December 2008 (BST)
We were drunk, it seemed funny.--xoxo 04:52, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Fark, are you trying to get demoted, or something? Found out just how not-fun sysoping is, eh -- boxy talkteh rulz 04:54 22 December 2008 (BST)
The only sysop function i did was IPing you and the guidelines state suspicion is enough to warrant doing so. So there really isn't anything demotion worthy happening there.--xoxo 05:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
So what made you suspicious of me? Oh, and User:Nigggers!, who doesn't even exist, but was "suspicious" to you too. What makes it possibly demotion worthy is that it seems you were looking up someone's personal information with your mates for a lark -- boxy talkteh rulz 07:02 22 December 2008 (BST)
We were drunk! Niggggers was for lulz, to see what happened when you IPed a non-existant user. Also, my IP info has been looked up repeatedly by the admin, i have never used any other account besides this one on the wiki and never allowed anyone else access to mine. Yet on 5 separate occasions sysops have decided it was necessary to look up my details, surely that's overkill? Like i said, it was for fun, nothing bad happened with your IP info and quite frankly my internet skills don't extend as far as being able to turn an IP address into anything useful.--xoxo 07:25, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
But you did give the other sysops reason to be suspicious by signing as Nallan and all of a sudden changing your posting style on admin pages. The fact that you think it's acceptable to get drunk with your mates and go looking up people's IP addresses goes towards your trustworthiness to have access to such information -- boxy talkteh rulz 07:30 22 December 2008 (BST)
Your idea of an awesome time while drunk with your mates involves a computer? Wow, you're pretty cool. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 05:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I am cool, 2 Cool ;) (wink means it's funny lol) --xoxo 05:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey bob - who exactly do we have to impress here? I play a MMORPG based around a zombie apocalypse - gave up on being cool loooong ago.--Nallan (Talk) 05:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Never too late to come back to the light brosef - give up on the game and do more for shits and giggles. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 05:42, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
So Halo 3 is THAT fun is it? We just might have to give that a try!--CyberRead240 04:56, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Good job coming up with the quickfire comeback there, cuntload. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 07:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

VB incompetence

Schultz.png "I noze nussing!"
Boxy truly believes that Schultz noze nussing!

No really, we really and truly do!

You and your mates are at it again, eh. Keep off the admin pages (except for A/DM) unless you're going to do the job you fucking signed up for -- boxy talkteh rulz 10:08 28 December 2008 (BST)


I wanted to ask, shouldn't this and other pages be on their writer's supspace? --Janus talk 22:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I've just noticed the redirect. Thanks. --Janus talk 22:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh man, the Malton Chronicles contains a heap of pages in need of moving and re-linking... later -- boxy talkteh rulz 23:10 11 December 2008 (BST)
Mmh, about 20 pages. Should I list them on the Move Requests Page? --Janus talk 23:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
If you want to :) I've got to go now -- boxy talkteh rulz 23:20 11 December 2008 (BST)
Ok. :) --Janus talk 23:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

This user has more than 10 pages that should be moved in his subspace. Is writing all those links in the Move Requests page useful? --Janus talk 15:41, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, Nubis moved them. --Janus talk 18:28, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Seems everyone has forgotten about the Journal psuedo-namespace that has been the convention since forevers and evers. Shame really, as it contains the biggest page on the wiki.--Karekmaps?! 02:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I know it's there... I just don't see the point in putting journals there (as opposed to user sub pages), because it is only a pseudo-namespace, basically just an ordinary page. At least as a user sub-page, we can tell who the journal belongs to, regardless of what character name is attributed to it -- boxy talkteh rulz 12:13 13 December 2008 (BST)

grats on promotion

I look forward to your nervous breakdown and the subsequent power trip that will get you desysopped, a proud UDbureaucrat tradition. Prost! --ZaruthustraMod 03:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

yep... it's just a matter of time, they'll get you too. You know it too be true. -- Vista  T  16:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
I was planning on just slowly loosing interest, and fading away, but if that's not the done thing... any suggestions on an original wig out plan? ;) -- boxy talkteh rulz 12:15 13 December 2008 (BST)

several things

firstly, fuck you. You are unfit to be a crat. But then again, maybe you're not too bad. I still haven't made up my mind. Before i forget i also need to discuss this with you. Look at it. It's technically a subpage of some fucked up spelling shit, but it's not. He just misused the /, whats the deal with that? Also, boxy, i don't mind y ou. You're alright. You can be a cunt. And you sure are no grim. But still you're fun to fuck around with on this wiki of ours. Anyway since i'm writing this i should probably endorse 2 Cool and suggest you vote on ALiM. Do it now. cya round buddy. Also, do you live in sydney? coz that shit would be lolarious...--xoxo 17:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Normally we'd use % url encoding but it apparently doesn't work with slashes on the wiki. So nothing.--Karekmaps?! 18:03, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
You could move it to Suggestion:20081206 Pistol Appearnce-Type, or something, if it's bugging you. If you do, fix up the links to it, and get rid of the redirect. p.s. this page is a bit underused, atm, you should contribute :p -- boxy talkteh rulz 00:26 8 December 2008 (BST)
dun.--xoxo 00:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Here's your keys back

I think we should get a policy going to make you a permanent 'crat. =p I think this is your 4 term now unless my adding is hopelessly screwed. Congratulations. =) -- Cheese 22:18, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Only meatpuppets would be allowed to vote though :P -- boxy talkteh rulz 05:49 5 December 2008 (BST)
All is going well. Have you implanted the device with the user rights change as ordered, Cheese? --  AHLGTG 22:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, Master Gnome. It has been done. I await further instruction. -- Cheese 22:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
No further commands, underling. Just remember to "activate" it on the 10th. --  AHLGTG 22:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, my Master. It shall be done as you have commanded. -- Cheese 23:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Sysop thing.

Yep. And it will be. Its only there so I can have fun with the move button today. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 08:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


...the a/sd template accompanies a listing on a/sd.--xoxo 12:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

It's supposed to... but I get sick of telling people. Why? -- boxy talkteh rulz 13:20 24 November 2008 (BST)
You put the template on something without putting it up on a/sd, i forget what now..--xoxo 04:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Wow finding that was easy...--xoxo 06:17, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Ahhh. Yeah, that's why I put the template on it, so I could find it easy. I didn't want to delete it right away, to give the author a chance to figure out what happened. I'll schedule delete it sometime (if one of the other sysops doesn't get it first) -- boxy talkteh rulz 10:35 25 November 2008 (BST)

Soldier UDW

11/21/08: Dude! Stop moving our pages! How do you like it if one of your pages gets moved? We are keeping an eye on you. If you moved one of are pages again we will track you down and POW! Ask permission next time if you are going to move one of are pages. Or else we would prosecute you for Insubordination. I don't even care if you are an Arbitrator, just stop moving are pages and ask next time if you are going to do.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Soldier (talkcontribs) 03:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC).

Group sub pages go in your group space, where I put it. Now you stop recreating the page in the wrong place, or you're the one going to get done for "insubordination". If you want to have exclusive control of what can and can not be said on the page, and especially the talk page, it must be in your group sub page area, otherwise it's a community page, and anyone can edit it and removing others comments off the talk page is considered vandalism -- boxy talkteh rulz 05:31 22 November 2008 (BST)
Might help if you explained how he could use it as a template outside of that namespace for the sake of the Recruitment pages.--Karekmaps?! 05:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Looks like he understands that already -- boxy talkteh rulz 08:44 22 November 2008 (BST)
Quick Question; how do you charge somebody higher ranking then you with insubordination?--Jakezing 15:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Because Darkmagick/Powerhouse, when you're making pages on a WIKI, the Sysops technically have a higher rank in the disciplinary hierarchy than a normal user does. Shut up and get out noaw.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 15:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Why do you have to be so mean you Bastard; What did I ever do to you? I was asking how the idiot here (soldier) could call Insubordination on Boxy if BOXY outranks him? Learn to read child; it helps quite alot.--Jakezing 15:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm mean because normally when I converse with you, you end up annoying the piss out of me. Now, with the way your question is set up, it looks as if you're asking Boxy instead of Soldier. Learn proper formatting. Indent to the person you're talking to, not the people you aren't talking to.
That is funny though, asking me to lrn2read, as you still can't even use the English language properly (I.E. proper capitalization).-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 15:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
This conversation is the funniest thing I've read all week. =p -- Cheese 16:09, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Indenting to a older message is quite a hassle though and on wikipedia it is... Frowned apon because it adds random indent into the conversation and supercedes older posts.--Jakezing 18:07, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm actually laughing at Soldier and his misguided ideas that he is actually in the right here. =p It makes me chuckle. And his grasp of basic English grammar is brilliant. That also makes it 10 times more funny. -- Cheese 22:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Cute, now hows about someone actually try to sort out his problem instead of patronizing him.--Karekmaps?! 02:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
You could get off your ass and do it yourself to you know. You can't blame us when your just as lazy.--Jakezing 04:47, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I did, and I shouldn't have had to when two other sysops were already an active part in this discussion. As for you, well, I'm thinking SA had you right earlier here, if you can't do something useful just go away.--Karekmaps?! 06:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I am sorry but I need veryfiable proof that I was being useless :D.--Jakezing 12:47, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, proof would be that you still haven't tried to fix anything wrong here.
01:49, December 6, 2007 (hist) (diff) User:Darkmagic (Redirecting to User:Jakezing) (top)
01:48, December 6, 2007 (hist) (diff) Cody6 (Redirecting to User:Jakezing) (top)
I stand by my earlier statement. Go away powerhouse/Cody6/Darkmagic.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 13:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Just read back -- boxy talkteh rulz 12:54 23 November 2008 (BST)

Oh, and by the way Monsieur cübe, I am deeply (not really) sorry for hijacking your page. :) -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 13:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Rule breaker *looks disdainly at you* :D--Jakezing 20:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


:(--Honestmistake 12:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Ja, I know :) -- boxy talkteh rulz 12:15 20 November 2008 (BST)

Crat election

I think you forgot to add J3D to the list... Like it or not he is a Sysop and unless i missed something that means he is eligible to stand. --Honestmistake 11:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

How could I forget ;) (easily... by going off the outdated, undeletions activity check list!). Thanks -- boxy talkteh rulz 11:42 20 November 2008 (BST)
Glad to help before you got a place on the ModConspiracy boards ;) --Honestmistake 11:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Permabanned users

So it seems that members of the team are open to reviewing previous vandal banning cases in order to bring them up to date with this policy. Does this work for you? --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 19:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)



P.S Why you/any sysops never use irc? Grim used to, haggy and karek do from time to time but that's it. It would be handy...and i'd promise to avoid berating you as much as possible.--xoxo 01:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

P.P.S If you lurk under some other guise can i haz?--xoxo 01:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Gnome can't figure out IRC anymore... --  AHLGTG 01:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Gnome should use mibbit, it's uber easy. Unless gnome can't figure it out coz gnome doesn't want to figure it out? :P Also can a/pm haz archive?--xoxo 01:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm too easily distracted to irc regularly -- boxy talkteh rulz 01:35 2 November 2008 (BST)


Regarding your vote on several user redirect pages i have separated the case into individual cases, if you feel so inclined please recast your vote on each page relevant to how you feel about that particular redirect being kept on the wiki. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.--xoxo 07:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Gah, why must you do this? If it doesn't change things it doesnt matter. Every user who voted has been informed on their talk page, they'll notice. Secondly, you're wrong, not every user voted for all pages concerned. Thirdly, why were they grouped together in the first place? When they were first moved across by a sysop they should have been split up, sorry i only just got onto that. Fourthly, different votes are valid for different entries, people shouldn't be expected to vote on all of them, it'd be like me putting up lol made up page and user:boxy and not letting people vote on them separately. While my action is not backed by any specific policy these cases must be considered separately and to ensure justice is served for them (and everyone has time to recast their votes) the 2 weeks can reset if you'd prefer.

I don't plan on reverting because edit wars are pointless however please do not ignore this, we can discuss here, irc or wherever.--xoxo 08:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

It changes thing by making a shitload of people (at least one of which says he wont be around for a couple of week) re-cast their votes, even if they don't want to change them. All the delete vote made it clear that they didn't want any of them kept, yet you removed the lot, because voting wasn't going your way. Moar drama, or w00t? -- boxy talkteh rulz 08:13 26 October 2008 (BST)
I've made it pretty clear why i separated them, they should have been seperated from the start. Unfortunately those people voted on the lot, unaware they could be considered separately. I did the next best thing and told them all personally, this doesn't have to be more drama and i think my informing of all concerned parties speaks fairly clearing i wasn't looking for more drama with this. Why said they wouldn't be around for several weeks? --xoxo 08:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
If you want to split them up, then all current votes should be placed under each page, and let people know that they can change them for individual pages if they want. Oh, and make the headers different this time -- boxy talkteh rulz 08:22 26 October 2008 (BST)
Fine.--xoxo 08:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

"every delete vote was for all pages concerned". Prove it. Read's wasn't.--Nallan (Talk) 08:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Reads was a keep vote -- boxy talkteh rulz 08:13 26 October 2008 (BST)
Gah, you're right. Sorry.--Nallan (Talk) 08:38, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

You forgot one

Kevan. --xoxo 01:36, 25 October 2008 (BST)

That page has long been considered a special exception.--Karekmaps?! 01:37, 25 October 2008 (BST)
twas said in jest! But yeah i think Kevan should be it's own page with information for people about who Kevan is. It's important people know and his userpage doesn't really make that clear.--xoxo 01:40, 25 October 2008 (BST)


this looks kinda bad-faith-ey in the sense that it's almost impersonating an actual official message. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 14:30, 24 October 2008 (BST)

You know where a/vb is, whats the matter? need a sysop to hold your hand?--xoxo 00:12, 25 October 2008 (BST)
"Kinda bad-faith-ey... almost impersonating"? lol. Anyone who can read will immediately see that it's not official.--Nallan (Talk) 00:55, 25 October 2008 (BST)
Possibly to avoid actual punishment for a stupid joke. Not much like Cyberbob but it's a very possible result, so quitcherbitchin'. :P--Karekmaps?! 00:57, 25 October 2008 (BST)

Quick question

What timezone are you in? Just curious as to why you're the only sysop on (or are the others just staying away from a/vb for now).--Nallan (Talk) 10:13, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Also I think I might be due for a ban struck. Is this correct? It seems ages since my last vandal case.--Nallan (Talk) 10:17, 24 October 2008 (BST)
I'm Australian, and one escalation has been struck -- boxy talkteh rulz 12:15 24 October 2008 (BST)
Danke.--Nallan (Talk) 12:17, 24 October 2008 (BST)


Plz to be striking my escalation? It's been well over a month and I've made 250 edits since then. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 08:51, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Done -- boxy talkteh rulz 12:15 24 October 2008 (BST)

My escalation

I can tell you this, I guarantee you I have no idea how to deal with images, it was the first time I have uploaded an image that wasn't already resized for me by someone else.--CyberRead240 08:49, 24 October 2008 (BST)


Can you please protect it for the short term. CB shows no desire to let the pages be moved there as policy dictates.--xoxo 08:24, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Yes, please do. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 08:25, 24 October 2008 (BST)

How about every one of you pricks stops edit conflicting me, now. And I'll try to sort through your fucking crap -- boxy talkteh rulz 08:26 24 October 2008 (BST)

Fire away. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 08:27, 24 October 2008 (BST)
lol, you sure like licking boxyanus--CyberRead240 08:28, 24 October 2008 (BST)
A good way to prevent edit conflicts is an hour long ban of the feuding parties (if they don't stop after being told), it gives them time to cool down, and time for you to sort through the mess. Well thats my 2c. - Jedaz - 08:29/24/10/2008
Oh so tempting :) -- boxy talkteh rulz 08:35 24 October 2008 (BST)
thats fucking insightful...--CyberRead240 08:30, 24 October 2008 (BST)
Right, because that worked out so well for the last guy that tried it. Do you remember? Also, I believe the edit warring is over. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 08:32, 24 October 2008 (BST)
I can't remember that, links please? (looks like the edit warring has just moved pages) - Jedaz - 08:59/24/10/2008
YOUR 2C!?!?!??!! Sorry, but i fucking couldn't resist.... --xoxo 08:33, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Your comments on the Gamestriker4 case

I just wanted to say that I feel that was a bit out of line. Regardless of your own personal opinions, your position should not be compromised by what you think of one user and his associates. This is no way coming on here to pick a fight, just dropping you a line in hope that you re-read over what you have written and realize that the Vandal banning page is no place for a SysOp to sledge a user like that. Personal opinions are fine, and I could see why you would have them against Jed, but the whole "aLiM nAzI" thing is just not on really.

That case had nothing to do with personal ownership of the page, he never claimed that, and as a Sysop you should not immediately jump to those conclusions. You are more or less showing that every case that Jed is involved in, you are going to reduce it to some slanging match over the way they treat pages that they created. Your position requires you to be objective, and you could not even do that when it came to a simple vandal case.

Whether or not ALiM or its offspring are your cup of tea is irrelevant, as it means something to some users of this Wiki and you should respect that.

Please, don't take this as some sort of attack, just re-read it and consider what your actually saying next time. It is just that the more I read it, the more I feel as if it is a little out of line, that's all.--CyberRead240 13:49, 23 October 2008 (BST)

lol butthurt --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 13:53, 23 October 2008 (BST)
cool story bro--CyberRead240 13:57, 23 October 2008 (BST)
i know bra --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 14:16, 23 October 2008 (BST)

User contributions

As I peruse the wiki, I often read the A/VB page to just see who's causing mischief. I noted that the person known as Woot has been posting nonsense on that page. So, after taking a look at his or her contributions lately, they are almost exclusively gibberish posted to various talk pages in an obvious effort to be a troll.

Is there a policy that applies to that sort of nonsense? I wasn't able to find one. In general I think a bad faith case probably applies to trolls.

your thoughts? --Stephen Colbert DFA 20:04, 21 October 2008 (BST)

Insanity is his thing... but generally he is a helpful member of the community, if given a chance, for example, this edit. Trolling would need to be a whole lot more blatant than WOOT's contributions, which seem to be more playful than anything. But no, there is no trolling policy, and it would be extremely hard to write one, given the totally subjective nature of "what is trolling?" -- boxy talkteh rulz 08:07 22 October 2008 (BST)
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TROLLING!!!--xoxo 08:42, 22 October 2008 (BST)
Also; There is no Cabal.--Karekmaps?! 21:04, 22 October 2008 (BST)
I heartily concur.--xoxo 06:22, 23 October 2008 (BST)

No longer a 'crat

Just wanted to say thanks for your work as a 'crat. I know that, ostensibly, it's only supposed to be the power to promote a user to sysop status, but in practise, I think that the 'crat badge is treated in and of itself as a symbol of authority, which makes the bearer almost as much (if not more) of a target than the big K himself, as regards the attraction of drama, criticism and requests for difficult judgement calls. I think you dealt with that pressure admirably. (Now, I'll take my tongue out of your arse so that you can sit down.) --Funt Solo QT Scotland flag.JPG 20:13, 8 October 2008 (BST)


Hey, since the new pre-archive system thingy came in the talk pages don't line up properly. The cyberbob stuff needs to be moved to the new talk page. I was gonna do it but i thought maybe it's an issue with the system (i don't fully understand the whole thing) so yeah, thought i'd let you know. If it relies on the first person doing it manually maybe a small instruction should be placed on the page or something? Also i came here coz i had a feeling karek did it, but karek is gone...--xoxo 14:14, 8 October 2008 (BST)


To make this as fair and equitable as possible, please vote on the decision being rendered here. Conndrakamod TAZM CFT 05:58, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Good god, man, learn to wiki -- boxy talki 10:08 7 October 2008 (BST)

Can you please archive the ruled out misconduct cases ? People are starting to troll on grim earlier one. --People's Commissar Hagnat talk 12:59, 10 October 2008 (BST)


Dunno what you did but it fucked up the page. Unclosed <> thingys i guess. Anyway i undid it so you might wanna redo whatever it was you were doing.--xoxo 03:54, 19 August 2008 (BST)

Woops, I cut Karek's sig in half when I moved it down. Thanks -- boxy talki 04:05 19 August 2008 (BST)

Where were you?

Simple question. Where were you? So much Drama over the J3D bid. --The Grimch U! E! 11:18, 7 August 2008 (BST)

Drama? Drama? I saw no such thing...--xoxo 11:38, 7 August 2008 (BST)
Awww, you love it. Anyway, I lost my internet for a week or so. What else, of great importance, did I miss? -- boxy talki 14:54 7 August 2008 (BST)
The soft warning dead horse is being beaten. Again. And i thought we had it well and truly jellied. --The Grimch U! E! 15:27, 7 August 2008 (BST)
You seem to be the only one to use it... we should just warn people on their talk pages, or the AVB talk page... as long as they obviously got the message, they can be referred back to just as well as a pseudo-official A/VB case which only serves to ramp up the drama level -- boxy talki 16:18 7 August 2008 (BST)
Yeah what was the end verdict? Keep 'em off A/VB and if you want to let sysops know you can use other channels (Discussion page was suggested) ?--xoxo 07:02, 8 August 2008 (BST)


Finally I post there here. Sorry for the time and thanks for the attention. --Standzs 15:02, 31 July 2008.

OK, thanks. All that has been moved to the archives already, but it seems that everything worked out without any unwarranted warnings or whatever -- boxy talki 10:05 7 August 2008 (BST)


Are these all scheduled deletions, or do they need a request? [[1]] --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 16:54, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Not if they are over a month old, we normally don't do them regularly so that images don't get dropped immediately before they can get used, they do get purged semi-regularly though.--Karekmaps?! 16:58, 24 July 2008 (BST)
So the ones from 2006 should just have gone then? Cheers. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:28, 24 July 2008 (BST)
Whenever a page is deleted, many of the images that were on it appear on that page. They're cleared out every now and then (whenever a sysop decides to go through the list). It's actually better if it's not done all that quickly, because if someone wants their page back once they notice it's gone, the images cant be retrieved if they're deleted as well. Image deletion is permanent -- boxy talki 10:05 7 August 2008 (BST)

"Unilateral decision"

You griped about my "unilateral decision". I dont see how what i did was been any different to what you have been doing for 14 months. Oh, except for me doing it instead of you. Dont bitch and try to start new "tradition" just because theres a faster draw in town. Now, im not adverse to making it so that we have to discuss it first between ourselves in future, but dont go acting as though its always been done, or attacking me because i have merely followed in your glorious unilateral footsteps, because i spoke to Vantar back before Karek was promoted, and there was no cross crat communication on promotions happening back then, and you havent even tried to strike any up prior to now (Or even now, its me doing it). --The Grimch U! E! 11:46, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Ok. Heres the dealio. You have until J3D's bid comes due to open a discourse with me about it. You can find me in IRC, the rummers will point you in the right direction for me, as will the people in #XIII. If not ill unilaterally reject J3D's bid on multiple grounds, most notably the fact that he wants to focus on A/VB, and his judgement is appallingly bad, such as not spotting Finis for the troll he is and ignoring him, and instead engaging in multiple acts of vandalism against him. Also, his judgement on several cases is pretty poor, such as assuming poor form = bad faith (Whitehouse case in May this year), repeated instances of shitting up A/VB in violation of the page guidelines (See how much of his crap is there in the archives).

J3D said:
This comment is relevant to this vandalism report. kekekekeke--J3DSR! 14:46, 21 June 2008 (BST)
(Source, early last month as an example).

A Demonstrable history of immaturity, not to mention attempting to rule on that case in question, which cheese should have soft warned him for at least. In the last couple of months he has become quite the little shit disturber, which is the exact opposite of what he should be doing.
Making a mess on A/VB and tossing in how two cents left right and center on the main page instead of the talk, as well as numerous acts of vandalism on his part indicate he has little respect for rules or guidelines except where they serve his interests, and is thus nowhere near appropriate sysopm material. Not now, and most likely not ever, unless he seriously cleans up his act for a very long period of time. --The Grimch U! E! 18:51, 26 July 2008 (BST)


Category:Bots could probably use classifying as Special:Listusers/Bots so the wiki regards them as such, although I'm not exactly sure what the differences are/would be beyond the Special:Recentchanges filter.--Karekmaps?! 10:09, 14 July 2008 (BST)

I'm pretty sure it does something else, but I can't remember off-hand. It would be useful to have them in that user-group though. Means we can filter out Bot edits on recent changes and keep track of "official" bots. -- Cheese 10:40, 14 July 2008 (BST)
Is it that bot edits (from bots listed by a crat as such in Listuers) are hidden on recent changes? Perhaps we need a bot policy, so that they are approved before having their user status changed, and also making it clear that they can be banned as soon as seen malfunctioning, or when making non approved edits? They should probably have specific purposes, and if they step outside those bounds, be disabled -- boxy talki 14:01 14 July 2008 (BST)
Noticed that my bots had suddenly moved up in the world. Thanks for the addition of that user group. As far as a policy/approval group goes, it seems a bit overkill since there's only a few bots, and the fact I'm the only one making them. I try to include a decent overview of their operations (and indeed a message about temporary bans) on their user pages anyway. These things are also only manually operated, the only way they can destroy the wiki is if I'm maliciously inclined or I somehow screw up to the 10th power. The few errors that have happened in the past get reverted by myself, or some nice wiki user if I miss them. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 18:41, 14 July 2008 (BST)
Still, it would get everything all clear cut and shiny. Which is always useful for anyone else wanting to make a bot. If we have it in writing, they know what they can and can't do. -- Cheese 15:31, 15 July 2008 (BST)


Hey Boxy. :) Can you strike one of my warnings for me? It's been a month and I've made over 250 edits. -- Cheese 10:40, 8 July 2008 (BST)

Done... fly straight -- boxy talki 15:34 8 July 2008 (BST)
Thank you. :) I'll be good now. -- Cheese 10:56, 11 July 2008 (BST)

Imposter/Impersonation type sig

Bronz93 has a sig which makes me believe that the user is trying to impersonate boxy (you) right [here] and also [here]. Just look at it [here]. --Emot-siren.gif LABIA on the INTERNET Emot-siren.gif Dunell Hills Corpseman The Malton Globetrotters#24 - You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| TMG 01:53, 24 June 2008 (BST)

I don't think he's trying to impersonate me, but I've asked him to remove it anyway. No idea what that's all about -- boxy talki 07:34 24 June 2008 (BST)


Crat election is over. Time to tally the votes, check for socks, and do whatever else needs to be done. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 07:54, 21 June 2008 (BST)

There was some UD flooding that I saw on a spray paint in the game yesterday. It's probably still there.


--Emot-siren.gif LABIA on the INTERNET Emot-siren.gif Dunell Hills Corpseman The Malton Globetrotters#24 - You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| TMG 08:02, 21 June 2008 (BST)

I find it funny how about half the gnome votes are really anti-me votes :D --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 09:58, 21 June 2008 (BST)

Congratz, dammit. Ye've thwarted me plans, fer now... also, I don't know who sprayed that message. --  AHLGTG 02:13, 23 June 2008 (BST)

Nooo....neither do i... *looks left, looks right, fades into the night*--xoxo 08:33, 23 June 2008 (BST)


boxy said:
Please do not place humourous suggestions in the main suggestions section on this wiki. Continuing this behaviour may lead to your editing privileges being revoked.

And lord knows, my life would be cast adrift in purposelessness if that ever happened! Please, somebody hold me! SporeSore 12:30, 6 June 2008 (BST)


I don't know if I did it correctly, but I don't want it to look like I went power mad. Nemesis Omega came up under the same IP as Mister Game and to me that is a sock puppet account. If I screwed it up, I wanted to come to you first and say, 'hey, did I do this right?'. I don't dabble in the bannings and floggings and what-nots very often. So if I screw them up I would hope that someone would correct me and not instantly misconduct me. Thanks.--– Nubis NWO 15:43, 9 June 2008 (BST)

Come *ON*.

Like you didn't see this coming.--Jorm 06:32, 5 June 2008 (BST)

Of course I did. Meh -- boxy talki 09:51 5 June 2008 (BST)


If you really want to get all worked up about someone committing real vandalism there's some extremely funky stuff going on on Tselita's talk page that is being ignored.--Karekmaps?! 02:00, 5 June 2008 (BST)

Are you talking about her reworking posts even when made by a sysop in an official manner? Or the ugly color scheme and layout? Sometimes I think we need some sort of Style Policy or at least a Tacky Escalation ladder.- :)-– Nubis NWO 02:18, 5 June 2008 (BST)
Pfft. I didn't delete his posts - I deleted them, and if he didnt mix 'official sysop' posts with unofficial personal attacks I wouldn't have had to bother to. Don't want me to delete your posts on my user page? Simple solution - don't post there. Read the rules for my user page on the top. --Tselita 16:21, 5 June 2008 (BST)
Listen up, idiot. If you don't want him to post on your page, don't fucking reply to, or start ranting about him when you delete his posts. It's not a complicated concept, even for a chick -- boxy talki 16:45 5 June 2008 (BST)
While we're at it, why don't you give Gardenator a warning for writing harassing posts on my user page as well 'talking about labias' - Nah that would be fair and unbiased and we all love the Goons, don't we Nubis and Karek? --Tselita 16:24, 5 June 2008 (BST)
If he edits your post to spell out LABIA I will personally give him a warning for vandalism. Until then saying "dirty" words is not against the rules.--– Nubis NWO 16:32, 5 June 2008 (BST)
Piss off to your own talk pages -- boxy talki 16:45 5 June 2008 (BST)

Res: Blanking Pages

The only pages I request for deletion are the ones that I have personally made with this wiki account or my former one (N dG). In the future I will go about with the proper procedure that you have explained. Thanks. --Nick Nitroz 15:16, 28 May 2008 (BST)

Page Moving

I figured I'd ask you this, considering you're the only Sysop I really know.

The_Imperium have several pages that I think should really be sub pages, such as the Imperial_Guard and Imperial_Inquisition. They also have their own page for Pk reporting, which I also think should be a sub page.

Thanks in advance for any help.----Ash  |  T  |  яя  | 16:50, 14 May 2008 (BST)

Oh gawd... so many pages... so little point -- boxy talki 12:21 15 May 2008 (BST)
Why was the page moved at the request of someone else? There's other groups with similar setup such as the DEM.--Garviel LokenMaltesecross2.jpgNo Pity! No Remorse! No Fear! Talk22:28, 15 May 2008 (BST)
Those other groups where already like that long before I got here, and fixing them up is a huge job. Makes my head hurt just thinking about it. Basically, all group sub pages should be in that format. It makes it much easier for people to know who's pages they are (important to make it clear that non members should not edit them), especially if the main group page is later deleted (not all that likely in your case), and it means that multiple groups can have similarly named pages without fighting about who owns the "Imperial Guard" (for example) page. I know it may seem like mindless bureaucracy to you, but it really does help if everyone sticks to this sort of system as much as possible, as new members copy how other established groups do thing -- boxy talki 08:12 16 May 2008 (BST)


For some bizarre reason i'm not trusted to edit that page so instead i'm coming here to tell you to remove a [ from Karek's entry, minor i know but still it shouldn't be there.--xoxo 08:25, 12 May 2008 (BST)

Fixed it, thanks -- boxy talki 10:12 12 May 2008 (BST)

Old Policies

I still actually haven't had time to figure out the policy cycling stuffs, otherwise I'd get to this. Anyway, the following policy discussions have been up for like a month. Inappropriate usernames, Bureaucrat Election Tweak, and NPOV.--Karekmaps?! 14:22, 26 April 2008 (BST)

They should be archived, I believe. The limit is two weeks, I think. Although most people don't archive/withdraw it at that point because it is counterproductive if there is still discussion. --  AHLGTG 17:02, 26 April 2008 (BST)
Yeah, they're archived in withdrawn policies (unless there's still active, productive discussion going on) -- boxy talki 00:03 27 April 2008 (BST)

Akule's bid

Akule's promotion bid should have been closed four days ago. And axe appears to have declined his promotion bid. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 04:53, 19 April 2008 (BST)

Gee, I wonder why? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 04:54, 19 April 2008 (BST)

Something I thought you should see

This, which seems pretty close to vandalism actually considering it's a stones throw away from him making accounts under different IPs and voting for himself. --Karekmaps?! 20:28, 18 April 2008 (BST)

You want a screenshot of the IM? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 20:29, 18 April 2008 (BST)
Never mind...I provided the screenshot on Vantar's talk. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 20:42, 18 April 2008 (BST)
It's idiocy. It won't help the bid, just like the goon meatpubbitry wont hinder it.
I didn't know that till 15 minutes ago, now did I? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:06, 19 April 2008 (BST)
Bit late now, isn't it -- boxy talki 01:36 19 April 2008 (BST)
Isn't that actually in the text on that very page?--Karekmaps?! 01:37, 19 April 2008 (BST)
On A/BP only, I believe. --  AHLGTG 01:39, 19 April 2008 (BST)
That would make no sense, A/BP is a vote.--Karekmaps?! 01:40, 19 April 2008 (BST)
You mean meatpuppetry? That's what I mean. Sockpuppetry is considered vandalism. --  AHLGTG 01:42, 19 April 2008 (BST)
But I didn't use a sockpuppet, now did I? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:44, 19 April 2008 (BST)
It says on A/PM, "This is not a vote. It is instead merely a request for comments from the wiki community", and I would expect anyone wanting to become a sysop to know that it wasn't a vote. It's not helped by people putting up tallies though -- boxy talki 01:44 19 April 2008 (BST)
Now I have always thought it was a vote. At least, that was my interpretation of that statement. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:54, 19 April 2008 (BST)

Recent Rulings in Impersonation Vandal Cases

You may want to read down to a couple of cases on the vandal banning admin page where similar cases have been brought up. Hagnat and you see this issue in two very different lights. He ruled not vandalism where you have ruled vandalism. Not that it matters but I agree with you. No matter what it says at the top of a page, a signed post has to be protected to ensure integrity of the wiki. --Sigpistol1.gifShowcaseTalk 18:02, 18 April 2008 (BST)

He ruled not vandalism in a case where a goon signed unattributed posts as his own, I ruled vandalism where a few goons claimed that stuff they had written themselves were actually written by another user. There is a big difference between the two... but they'd better not push the point on Hagnat's ruling... it's not that far away from being bad faith -- boxy talki 18:30 18 April 2008 (BST)
Ah. I see. This is why you are the sysop and I am not :) Thanks for the clarification. --Sigpistol1.gifShowcaseTalk 20:31, 18 April 2008 (BST)

Junk that is Upsetting Me

I'm not going to lie...

Image:MartyisCrazy.jpg Image:ActionMarty.jpg <---- needs more MSPaint hair. Kid sinister 22:40, 12 April 2008 (BST) Image:Martywtf.gif File:Advicetips.jpg Image:Atruefriend.jpg Image:Martyposter.jpg Image:Headertwo.jpg File:Advicetips2.jpg

This stuff does bother me, them making fun of me I could care less... but they are going after my family now... Dude, I'm really unhappy about this... It is not fair that they should be able to find me and my family and I have no idea who these people are... Please get rid of this garbage... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 23:04, 13 April 2008 (BST)

How are they going after your family? And how is deleting that stopping them from going after your family? --Sonny Corleone RRF DORIS MSD MOB pr0n 23:54, 13 April 2008 (BST)
That is my father's image... and as I recall... they are violating a HUGE edict... and come on... this is a personal attack... it is gross public spectacle at it's worst... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 00:24, 14 April 2008 (BST)
I'm man enough to admit I did lol at 'Action Marty'... but they are seriously taking it too far, you guys need to police this before it goes any further... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 00:39, 14 April 2008 (BST)
What image is your fathers? The one looking like Colonel Sanders or the Action Figure guy? Unless you mean the cartoon they keep spoofing. And they're breaking the copyright rules. They are not reproducing it but instead creating entirely new images. --Sonny Corleone RRF DORIS MSD MOB pr0n 02:30, 14 April 2008 (BST)
who looks older? lol... and they are... I never gave them permission to use my image for that... those images are mine... and one of them comes from another website... I own all of those images... they need my permission and they sure as hell aren't getting it... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 02:44, 14 April 2008 (BST)
If you uploaded a picture of an orange and I put that orange in another picture with other fruits I found on the internets I could do that. But if I just recopied your image and uploaded it then I'd be stealing. I've listened to Akule and his copyright rants to know the ins and outs of this. --Sonny Corleone RRF DORIS MSD MOB pr0n 02:51, 14 April 2008 (BST)
Okay, then it doesn't violate wiki policy copyright wise... but you must see this for what it is... come on, they are not being subtle about what they are doing; this violates every common decency, it is something that should not be tolerated regardless of whether it violates 'a rule in the books'... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 05:55, 14 April 2008 (BST)
I'm pretty sure creators have rights over derivative works of their creations as well as exact copies. See here, here (scroll to FAQ 9), here (scroll to "If I make up my own stories, based on a similar work, my new work belongs to me."), and here (first paragraph of history section). Still, I'd advise against bringing the copyright policy into this - in practice it's not enforced, and there's been a lot of drama around it in the past. --Toejam 02:47, 15 April 2008 (BST)
Technically, it could fall under parody, but can easily be considered libel (slander with written works), however I doubt you will be able to do much in the courts. With the current way we are handling the policy on copyrights is to cite the information before we draft a letter to eventually get permission. Did you create the original yourself, or did you modify the drawn image for yourself? Your best bet would be to talk about vandal banning for the attacks or at the very least put forth an arbitration against them to prevent them from putting up and keeping these types of images. Unfortunately that will just get them to put them up elsewhere and just add more fuel to the fire. Wiki-wise a case could be argued for impersonation as you are not stating the things the pictures are saying, but I'd just go with the fact that they are making a lot of bad faith edits through picture harassment. Either way you should have a good case for an arbitration against them. If they don't appear before the arbitration you can get a ruling made against them by default, so they will have to bring their case forth. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 02:50, 15 April 2008 (BST)
I'm not convinced you actually know what libel is, so I'd suggest not throwing that word around until you get a real handle on it. Clearly the images are parodying Marty's in-game persona. We're hopefully all adults here, so if you are unable to withstand a bit of ridicule without screaming libel of all things then maybe a more child-friendly game would be more appropriate. By the way Marty, love the new template. Oh no, I mean I'll be pressing for a libel/bad faith/vandal case immediately of course --Deadtanian 09:27, 15 April 2008 (BST)
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I'd explain it to you, but I have come to find that people typically ignore large blocks of text, so I see no reason to do so. After looking over your post, I do think you could benefit from going here. The point is that Marty would prefer that you stop harassing him, thus my advice to take it to vandalism or arbitration, not to make an actual case in a court of law against you and your fellow "goons". --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 22:40, 15 April 2008 (BST)
The point is the images they used as a source are my property, I'm asking that they be removed from the wiki. My rights over control of those images do not end just because the images were edited and uploaded under a different name... They may not be violating wiki policy but they are violating my rights laid forth in the US Copyright Act of 1976 by editing and reposting. I'm request that these images be permanently removed from the wiki. As for arbitration, I am not going to have a big shoutfest with them for their enjoyment. No permission was given to them to modify or upload those images, they need to be removed...
US Copyright Act
Derivative Works:
See Subsections (a) and (b)
See Subsection (a), Line (3)
--Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 23:29, 15 April 2008 (BST)
There is certainly precedence for having the images outright deleted. I'd find an active sysop and request that they speedy delete those images following this precedent then. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 23:37, 15 April 2008 (BST)
That's all mighty impressive but sadly has nothing to do with this. With regards the US Copyright Act, please read up on Fair Use, specifically Parody and Fair Use. Nice little starter right here: [2]. Akule, if you're going to pretend to have some kind of knowledge on this subject then fair enough, but please try not to lead people astray. Hell there wouldn't even be a case if we were profiting from the images and you should know that. I'm kind of sad that the first reaction to someone making fun of your fictional zombie fighting character is to resort to vague legalese, what a world. --Deadtanian 00:07, 16 April 2008 (BST)
I am not a lawyer but since MartyBanks uploaded this image doesn't that mean permission to use the image on the wiki was granted? Because to claim otherwise would involve saying you did not give yourself permission to upload the image. The only options I can see for you right now are arbitration or ignore it. Also I thought the wiki was under British jurisdiction so why are we citing American laws? (and why is this all on boxy's talk page?)- Vantar 00:16, 16 April 2008 (BST)
Disgraceful. This is no place for common sense man, this is about high-drama and lofty legal minds! I bet you haven't even read a Grisham novel lately have you? NO. Just as I thought. The key to success? Surprise witnesses, each more surprising than the last. The defense rests.--Deadtanian 00:24, 16 April 2008 (BST)
Let me get this straight... Marty is claiming ownership of his own father's likeness? Futhermore, he's claiming an image stored on SeaHouse Realty, Inc.'s website as his own property? Kid sinister 00:22, 16 April 2008 (BST)
Unfortunately it does. So, you'd like to argue copyright law then? Not a problem. First read the Copyright page, the International Copyright page, and of course the Let's Learn Copyright Law lesson before you proceed. Now, because we are talking about the UD wiki and not a court of law, you'll want to ignore all of those pages and just pay attention to precedent on the UD wiki for author requests of deletion of copyrighted images. Aside from the fact that the images are clearly bad faith edits and thus are subject to deletion and you are subject to vandal banning with precedent here, he is the principle author of said images and can request that subsequent images be deleted as not only is there is a very few instances of allowance for fair dealing in the UK but there is precedent for this sort of thing on the UD wiki. Oh, and yes, we need to know UK law as the UD wiki is hosted in the UK, not in the US. Thanks for dropping by though. :) --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 00:27, 16 April 2008 (BST)
Please Akule, this is just getting embarrassing. I shan't bother to chuck a dozen links into this paragraph but please just imagine I have, as apparently linking to something adds +2 relevancy to the linkee, even when wrong. I was going to ask you what you were linking to those two "precedent" cases for when neither have anything to do with this case, one simply parrotting everything someone said and the other being someone having their original artwork removed from the wiki, but then I came to the realisation that trying to talk to you was dramatically removing my will to live. Please tell me more about the precedents that have been set in a dozen other unrelated cases, it's utterly fascinating to me and will eventually uncover the essential truth of the matter at hand, much to your credit. All my love, --Deadtanian 00:41, 16 April 2008 (BST)
Yeah, that's basically the response I expected. Hence why I didn't bother to explain libel to you. Let me make it easier. One link to follow. Read up on harassment. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 00:44, 16 April 2008 (BST)
Harassment? They're parody images of a ficitonal character and they're on our talk page. This thing was dead in the water from the word go. LET'S NEVER FIGHT AGAIN. --Deadtanian 00:51, 16 April 2008 (BST)
Oh? Are they? AwwWww. I couldn't fight with you. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 00:56, 16 April 2008 (BST)

So in other words, copypasta them + host elsewhere regardless. >.> --Karloth Vois RR 00:38, 16 April 2008 (BST)

That would get by the whole copyright quagmire, yes. Just not the harassment. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 00:44, 16 April 2008 (BST)
Akule, please explain libel to me and how it pertains to images that actually are the property of SeaHouse Realty, Inc. when Marty Banks isn't an legal representative of said company? Kid sinister 01:06, 16 April 2008 (BST)
You'll notice how I asked if he owned the images, right? If he doesn't own the original images it's not going to be a copyright issue, as he didn't own the original images to begin with and thus would have no claim to them in UK law. Now, on to your actual question. Here's a good explanation of libel. The reason why I said it would be hard to do in a court of law is the fact that he'd have a hard time proving that he actually had' damages. That doesn't mean that some lawyers wouldn't take the case. Anything for money, right? ;) Of course, you're just focusing on the few snippets of what I said that you should not be focusing on. What you should be focusing on is to see if any of the images constitute harassment of marty, hence the link to the precedent. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 01:14, 16 April 2008 (BST)
Ahahahaha all that build up and you just linked to an article I could have just Googled anyway? You lazy turd.
Why the fuck should I "focus" on something that is completely meritless? If we're going to play that game, then I hereby demand that this be taken down because allowing it anywhere on the net instantly gives AIDS to 250,000 schoolchildren or something:
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Akule's promotion bid

His bid will be ending soon, and considering the wide ranging opinions expressed I thought some discussion would be good before we made the decision. He has shown consistent understanding of the rules and demonstrated interest in maintaining the wiki the copyright image categorization but historically he has been near the center of a lot of drama, which is not the most desirable trait for an op. What are your thoughts? - Vantar 04:24, 13 April 2008 (BST)

Yeah, he knows the rules, but seems overly keen to use the knowledge to annoy rather than help, as per the copyright drama and other examples of input to a/vb or the like... besides, the promotion bid was started on April 1, by Anime ;) -- boxy talki 04:35 13 April 2008 (BST)
In the past, I have been condescending in pointing out rules that were not followed or used against people unfairly, because I was speaking with sysops; whom I felt should have epitomized the rules that they maintained. The copyright fight was one such instance, but as pointed out, I was able to get that topic addressed to a point where people actually cared one way or another and then my biggest opponent during that time, Hagnat, and I worked out a compromise worked out a way that would benefit everyone. You'll note that since then I haven't put up one image for deletion, rather if I find a copyrighted image, I put in the proper copyright information for the citation and categorize it correctly. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 02:40, 15 April 2008 (BST)


You missed a spot, jackass. Do the whole job or don't do it at all. カシュー, ザ ゾンビ クィーン (ビープ ビープ) ;x You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild! @ 11:23, 9 April 2008 (BST)


How Comforting.--Karekmaps?! 04:38, 6 April 2008 (BST)


How did this get screwed up? Anyway, This still needs doing and I'd very much dislike having to do it myself considering I was the one who reported him.--Karekmaps?! 18:33, 1 April 2008 (BST)

I'll have a look -- boxy talki 00:00 2 April 2008 (BST)
It's a bit of a mess, but I've gotta run -- boxy talki 00:15 2 April 2008 (BST)
As long as it's done. It was the last thing in march that needed closing, I think, so I can archive it later today after double checking now.--Karekmaps?! 00:53, 2 April 2008 (BST)


It's been two months, so please can you remove the top two warnings from my talk page? Thanks. --TerminalFailure 14:27, 30 March 2008 (BST)

You can remove any or all of them from your talk page yourself, at any time -- boxy talki 03:06 31 March 2008 (BST)


Just ignore it, he's just trying to cause drama for drama's sake.--Karekmaps?! 12:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

but they're mine

i wrote it, i should be able to remove it. i can't remove the reply because thats vandalism. suggestions?--xoxo 10:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately for you, removing those comments will be considered vandalism as well, if you do it again. It removes the context of other people's posts (a form of impersonation). You'll just have to put up with it I'm afraid. Finis removing your later comments is bad form, but allowable on his own talk page -- boxy talki 11:23 27 March 2008 (BST)
eh thats bullshit...considering its a talk page (and not a content page) i should be able to remove what i wrote, and if it puts someone else out of context they can remove what they wrote...--xoxo 06:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Try it and find out then -- boxy talki 12:23 28 March 2008 (BST)
What and have you VB me straight away?--xoxo 06:55, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

About a recent email

Hello! I had recently emailed you about a range ban that I found myself in. It has seemed to disappear, so whether you did it or my IP address reset, thanks anyways :) --Vault 14:52, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


I went ahead and archived his bid. I had some extra time... Conndrakamod TDHPD CFT 22:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Promotion Bid Review

Another promotion bid gas ripened. I'm all for bringing 73 onto the op team but I have been out of the loop for a bit so it's your call. - Vantar 20:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

ready to go

73 is ready to go. promote him, or not. And please archive your talk page... it's huge --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 20:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


Hey, I just wanted to weigh in to say that your conduct and words go a long way to countering the otherwise very disappointing impression that this board and its administration offer. More directly, I appreciate what you've done with the SA group in addressing their grievances. Thank you for living up to the spirit of both Wiki and Urban Dead.--Scabby 23:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


What do you think, as you seemed interested in that.--Karekmaps?! 15:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Still a sys-opp

Yes I'm still a sysopp..and Yes I do some things on the Wiki but I avoid Vandal rulings because of possible conflicts of interests (and always have if I remember correctly), Likewise I have been avoiding misconduct proceedings (except to maybe make comments). When I have time I take care of deletions, reverts, and general maintenance...But my time is limited as you can see I don't even do that many edits for the group that I belong to. Conndrakamod TDHPD CFT 04:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

A/VD Also

Thank You, you just reminded me of another thing I should have done. --Karekmaps?! 02:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, no worries. Good addition, why didn't we think of it earlier! -- boxy talki 02:29 27 February 2008 (BST)


Just a little reminder, it's been two weeks for Krazymonkey.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 15:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


We've gotsa messup. It seems someone forgot to close a strike tag on Tomer's data, causing a bit of a mess up.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Im in ur wiki, followin ur contribushinz [3]. --Z. slay3rT 01:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
If I were a psyops, I could read minds and edit that page too!-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

hey boxy

hey i remember the dowdney mall thing here yesterday or the day before srry about that you didnt warn me for it but i thought i knew what i was doing then i erased something and it messed up i was trying to warn people not to go in there thanks .--tomer


The alt wasn't mine. I have checked the making/first edit of the alt. I wasn't logged in at that time.--Novascotia 20:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Of course you weren't logged in at the time. You were too busy vandalizing as Xynbc. What is it with you RRN kids anyway? Is being a complete and utter fucking idiot a requirement to be one?-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 20:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! nice one SA!!!--xoxo 11:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Mudkipz ?

My promotion bid is in need of some mudkipz... care to say something about it ? --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 17:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


Brent and Max are next up for inactivity. --Akule School's in session. 15:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


Boxy, Thanks for removing TerminalFailure's malicious edit's to the BRRC page. Your hard work as a SysOp is appreciated. --Docdead 00:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Vandal Data

Boxy, I recently permabanned a vandal account (under the ruling stipulating >3 edits, but all of them vandalism), and I was curious, do I record these types of banned used in the Vandal Data? Or are these vandal accounts kept off the list because they were never valid users in the first place? --Mobius187 23:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

No, I've never recorded them. The vandal data page is only there to keep track of people's escalations of warnings and bans. If someone get's an automatic permban first up, there's no where else to go, and no coming back. We don't need to track their progess -- boxy talki 23:54 1 February 2008 (BST)
Yup, they aren't recorded, it would just make A/VD completely unusable.--Karekmaps?! 05:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


I'd expect you at least to try and be informed before coming to my talk page and bitching like the others. I did not warn Hagnat in any official manner, I gave him a "slap on the wrist" style warning, without any sort of escalation or punishment as has always been done in the past with a Misconduct "warning".--Karekmaps?! 01:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I apologise then. However I would suggest you make it a bit clearer. If I read that someone has received a warning, I assume that it means an official warning on the A/VD page, not just warned not to do it -- boxy talki 02:18 1 February 2008 (BST)


So, this policy didn't get through because it missed out on the minimum votes by 1? Even though it had a 78% majority? So it only needed 1 against vote for the policy to pass? I understand a minimum voting requirement, but I'm a little lost as to why there is so little activity on the policy pages that dictate how our wiki operates. I'm suprised that someone like you didn't really put their weight into the full meat of the discussion. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 19:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Cripes, it was off by one? Funt just removed his vote yesterday. --  AHLGTG 20:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
It was off by two. My abstaining didn't effect the outcome. Just to be clear on that. --Funt Solo QT Scotland flag.JPG 21:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

MOAR questions

From my understanding, pages in the UDWiki namespace that have "moderation" should be moved to "administration," right? Also, if there is anything else you want fixed with the minor sysop policy, go right ahead and edit. --  AHLGTG 18:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd leave the redirects (unless they really arn't being used), and watch out for the creation of double redirects -- boxy talki 07:21 29 January 2008 (BST)


I think the 'please understand the consequences of your actions' is a bit harsh. It doesn't make anyone anymore likely to see it, it just gives you the right to prosecute them as use the warning as justification. You could just make the warning word absolutely huge, and right next to the edit button?--Jed 01:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I can't move it down near the edit button, but I have made the Warning text red (it wasn't red in the default setting). I've got the right to prosecute them now, as I did with you. More explanation is good (as long as it doesn't make the thing too big so that others won't bother reading it) -- boxy talki 01:52 28 January 2008 (BST)
Look whos tyranting now. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 01:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
How so, Grimlaw? I reported him, he was let off... I accepte the decision and went about fixing a problem -- boxy talki 01:56 28 January 2008 (BST)

A Salute from TZH

Way to be boxy. Stick it to those MSC sons of bitches for what they did the the BRRC. They have NO right to take that page over and make it look like they were the good guys all along. They are only trying to cover up evidence of the shit they pulled so no one joins TZH in the cause of boot stomping their worthless asses. BALLS TO THE WHALLS BOXY! Long live the REAL BRRC! Down with the imposters, and down with their griefer crap. FINALLY, someone who stands up for the BRRC that isn't TZH. ROCK AND ROHL!--Dhavid Grohl 03:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


For your personal edification, Boxy: If 205,666,801 is my IP address in decimal, then 217,299,133 is Chimmy's. What about these 32 bit numbers is similar again. Next time you notice "a pattern", try and know anything about the subject. We're seperated by 3,000+ miles and apparently 11.6 million+ clients (but more probably networks! if we invoke NAT). Should this ever come up again, I'd recommend you consult it could prevent someone half way around the world from thinking you're an embarassment to shaved monkeys.--Jack's Cold Sweat 05:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Boxy, I have accepted an arbitrator, but I am unfamiliar with this process, so please let me know what happens next. I am disappointed that you have not chosen to work this out with me, personally, before start a case. --Chimera 04:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Boxy, Expect an email as soon as I get 5 mins. --Docdead 10:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Operation: Clean-Up

Hey boxy, I have a quick question. Grim dropped by and reminded me that my NecroNet scan images were creating a fair bit of old revision garbage, and that garbage was collecting. He was nice enough to delete every image that met the criteria for revision deletes (older than 7 days). My question is this, as I own the NecroWatch Project and the images are NT scans (which usually become useless once updated with a newer scan image), do I have the authority/permission to delete said old image revisions ahead of the 7-day wait period? It seems to make sense to me and would allow me to clean-up the images faster instead of waiting for the period to elapse each time. --Mobius187 20:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you'd still have to wait the 7 days. It's to avoid people playing silly buggers with images, by placing a new image on top of one people are using, and having the old one deleted before anyone notices (once an image or revision is deleted, it can't be undone). If you want to be able to do this, you can start a vote for a new scheduled deletion at the bottom of the A/D page. If you would like some help with wording it to avoid misinterpretations/drama further down the track, feel free to ask here. I don't think having revisions up for 7 days is much of a problem though... just as long as they're done when you see them, and before the old revisions to a page get too long. The necronet scans aren't individually that big, it's just the numbers of revisions that eventually add up to a lot of diskspace -- boxy talki 22:42 21 January 2008 (BST)
Thanks for the advice. Grim suggested a similar course of action. For now I'll opt to following the existing rules as I wouldn't want to muddy the waters of the existing policy with additional sub-sections based on image ownership or "use of image" to justify allowing their delteion in advance of the current 7-day policy. Thanks again for the offer though, in a few months I'll see how this progresses and I may come back to take you up on that offer. --Mobius187 12:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yet another question

What would be the ideal time? I am familiar with the protection guidelines as with the rest of it. I've seen other pages protected with the same reasons as my protect, some that are still protected to my knowledge. How long is "a short time?" Anyways, I only intented to leave the protection for not much longer. (It seems like I'm always reverting vandalism from that page, it gets annoying). --  AHLGTG 04:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I take it to mean that the immediate risk of vandalism has passed. I only use it to give myself time to consider my options fully without having edit wars going on (sometimes involving multiple users), or to give the vandal time to consider the implications of what they're doing. Once the vandal has been banned/warned/dealt with, the page should be unprotected (unless you come up against someone wielding multiple proxies). If you want to protect it for an extended period, ask the owners. The main reason I stepped in was the addition of the protection template... that (to me) signals a more permanent protection -- boxy talki 10:37 17 January 2008 (BST)
I added the protect because I didn't want any confusion if the author or group members tried to edit it and didn't know why they couldn't, or how to request it unprotected/edited. --  AHLGTG 18:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

about policies and idle users

you know that policy i am writing to give some sysop powers to the regular users ? Would you mind to take over it and finish it ? I am a little busy right now, and whenever i have some spare time i am simply not in the mood to do it. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 17:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh man, I'm pretty busy myself until next week. But I guess there's no great hurry to get it to voting. I'll have a look -- boxy talki 09:27 16 January 2008 (BST)
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