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Suburb Template and NecroWatch

Hello again Boxy. Sorry for turning your Talk page into a free-for-all discussion (below), as that was not my intent. As such, I have started this new topic just to clarify your recent suggestion. To confirm, you are suggesting that I edit the Template:Suburb to include a link to NecroWatch (to the relevant suburb section) among the other links (i.e. iWitness, ect)? --Mobius187 19:59, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how you've set up your necrowatch system, but a link similar to those at the bottom of the suburb template, linking to where people can go to update the suburbs necrowatch page/s would be appropriate I would think. Does each suburb have a "NecroWatch/Dulston" (or similar) page? -- boxy talki 00:35 31 December 2007 (BST)
NecroWatch follows a standard similar to the one already used by building status (NIC). The NecroWatch site acts as a central repository for all of the NT NecroWatch templates, while each individual NT location wikipage supports its own individual template (display only). The template information is stored as sub-pages of NTStatus, one for every NT wikipage location. It's this sub-page that the user updates and the changes are then displayed on the previously mentioned wikipages. The only potential I would see for including NecroWatch on a suburb wikipage would be as a link to the NecroWatch section pertaining to the NT facilities/scans for that suburb (something like this: Dulston). Obviously if a suburb had no such facilities no link would be required. What do you think? --Mobius187 02:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Well that system wont work on the suburb template, I'm afraid, unless you make a redirect page for each suburb to point to your Dulston|link and then point to that. And then you may as well just create a necrowatch page for each suburb, I guess -- boxy talki 08:41 31 December 2007 (BST)
On the problem of how to direct the links, based on the fact that we would be using a single template (i.e. Template:Suburb), I have a solution that would work. How about we simply incorporate a variable into the Suburb template to support directing the sub-page (i.e. A_to_D) that I can then set for each suburb individually and as for the anchored link (i.e. #Dulston) we could use the {{PAGENAME}} utility template? Or more specifically, the Suburb template would include wikicode like this: [[NecroWatch/{{{SubPage|A_to_D}}}#{{PAGENAME}}|NecroWatch]]. Then all I would need to do is set the SubPage value for every suburb wikipage. --Mobius187 15:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
That would probably work... I'll leave it up to you, it's your project after all -- boxy talki 23:49 1 January 2008 (BST)

Animated GIFs and Sysop-dom

First, the major topic. It would appear that Grim is cleaning house in the Sysop list, which is a noble effort as I like to do something similar with my efforts on managing group member lists. No point including someone who isn't around, or contributing. I gave it some thought and if he is set on this course of action I think it would be in our mutual best interests for me to step down as a Sysop. That allows him to better manage the Sysop list (i.e. only listing those who really are there to perform those duties) and I get back to what I do best, non-Sysop work on the UD Wiki. My only real complaint was the implication that I was just being lazy, when in fact I never agreed to do anything more than I currently was doing. So, yeah. It was fun, sort of, but I'll step down to resolve this issue. So I suppose my question is, what do I need to do in order to do that? --Mobius187 00:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Grim isn't cleaning house of inactive sysops, he's argued against all formal policy so far aimed at that. He's just seems to want you out. If you don't want the hassle, then ask for demotion, or if you want to see if the community still supports you keeping your sysop status (they are the ones you're serving, not Grim, not me), put yourself up for reevaluation (if you can handle frank criticism). I don't know if I'd support your reevaluation, but as far as I'm concerned you're doing no harm with your sysops powers, even if they arn't fully utilised. At least what you do clean up of your own doesn't need to be handled by the rest of us -- boxy talki 06:28 30 December 2007 (BST)
Hmmm. Well even if Grim's motives are speculative, the fact remains that I don't often use any of my Sysop-granted powers and I certainly don't perform Sysop duties. So on the one hand I don't want to step down if the only reason is because Grim has got a bug in bonnet over something I did (again, he specifically didn't ask me to step down, rather he requested I just do the Sysop work), while on the other hand he does make a valid point, I don't plan on performing Sysop duties beyond those that I have already performed. I suppose I could wait and see whether Grim is still serious about his request. If he pursues an answer from me then I'll know I need to provide him with one. I think what I find the most interesting is that I was originally voted in even after I stated that I would only be acting as a Sysop in a limited capacity, and maybe even leaving the UD Wiki (back then). So in that regard everyone who voted in favor of me knew what to expect, as my goals are strictly aimed towards improving the UD Wiki through clean-up and wiki projects rather than administrative duties. --Mobius187 17:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Im not sure if i should laugh at the absurdity of your ideas or cry that you are dumb enough (And more importantly, paranoid enough) to leap to that ludicrous conclusion. As i have said, i would much rather you took up the torch of responsibility, but if you dont want to do the job then you shouldnt have the power. Its plain simple. Saying that you got voted in means nothing. Its patently obvious from the promotions candudacies of late that people will vouch for anyone who posts even a moderate amount and doesnt tick them off. Things such as suitability nearly never come into play. Besides, its not a vote, and having read your promotions bid and seen everything there, i can pretty much say your promotion was a mistake, in light of your comments that you probably wouldnt be around. To be honest, i think your persecution complex of late has been brought on by the fact i submitted you to A/VB for spamming. That has nothing to do with you being a sysop, and everything to do with you spamming. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 18:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I think I should begin by asking, which idea you are referring to as absurd? I can also assure you that I am in full control of my mental faculties and am not in any way paranoid as you have implied. I think if you will carefully review what I wrote you will see that I simply stated the facts as I know them and speculated two possible outcomes based on that information. I admit what little information I have of your personality is biased by those I have spoken to, of which some hold unfavorable opinions of your methods. Perhaps that was wrong of me as I usually try to be agreeable with everyone I work with. If anything I am all about self-improvement, so I will cast aside those potential misconceptions about you and start with a clean slate. I should also point out that I was completely unaware of the recent "spam" allegations made against me, and I can only assume that you believed my comments were in some way rooted to that complaint (which they were not). Thus, we can conclude that I do not a persecution complex because in no way do I feel persecuted. Maybe a little pressured, but just a little. Certainly nothing really worthy complaining about. --Mobius187 19:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Next topic, and one slightly less important, how much leeway do you grant to animated GIFs in terms of the recommended maximum image file size (i.e. 150KB)? In my opinion the file size limit is in place to prevent huge image files or such that take forever to load and thus slow-down the load rate for the Wiki. Right? In the case animated GIF files the GIF can load similar to streamed video, with the key factor being how long it takes to load a single frame. In this case I have an animated file with 50 frames, each 10-13KB each (125x100px, meant for a template). In total that's a file size of 550+KB, but the animated GIF will start up based on the load times of the individual images, or a few each second or so until it gets up to full speed having loaded all of them, but at no time are users left staring at nothing. I have tried to lessen the number of images, but as the animated GIF is not a sequence, but rather a series of random images associated with my topic, reducing their number lessens the original purpose. I can show you by uploading the 50-frame animated GIF to the Wiki, and you could delete it should you find it unacceptable, but I wanted to check with you first before doing anything along those lines. --Mobius187 00:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't make wiki policy, and I don't know of any in regards to image size (other than the suggestion on the upload page). Wiki Questions would probably be the best place to ask. I will say, that having a relatively slow connection, images like Image:Demlogo.gif are a pain in the arse to load. Even if the first frame comes up quickly, images further down the page often don't come up until it's totally loaded. I wouldn't like to see images of that size used on many pages -- boxy talki 06:28 30 December 2007 (BST)
I'll redirect my question there. I agree though, Image:Demlogo.gif did take longer than I would have wished to load. I downloaded the file and confirmed it's 30 frames, of which a majority are 450x199px in size. I'm hoping though that while my animated GIF would have more frames, their scale (125x100px) will improve the download rate. Still, I'll see what everyone else thinks first. --Mobius187 17:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
It seems like It would be kinda hard to judge without seeing a completed version of the Gif.--Karekmaps?! 17:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I actually have a completed version of the animated GIF, but I'm curious as to how I should display it online so that it could be judged. As I mentioned before I'm reluctant to upload it to the UD Wiki because it exceeds the posted file size limit (150 vs 550+ KB). --Mobius187 19:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
You can either upload it here (and put it up for deletion later if found to be inappropriate) or use to host it (you don't need to register) -- boxy talki 00:37 31 December 2007 (BST)

PKPC Template

Don't worry about it. I removed the link. Thank you! --Secruss 20:24, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

External Military#Supply Crates

Now after you added there is 2 links to the big article - check the first line of section, the one that says Main article: Supply Crates --~~~~ [talk] 06:41, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

D'oh -- boxy talki 07:23 26 December 2007 (BST)


What you delete. Let me know if a page can't be used like that however (I like the code being hidden away like that). --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 10:33, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Opps... wondered what the hell was going on there... should'a asked, eh. You should totally take have me up on A/VB :) -- boxy talki 13:02 21 December 2007 (BST)
I'm already there! --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 20:42, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, I have no idea..... just leave it for the moment, I'll fix it later.... somehow.... Thing is, it's not a double-redirect. And I have never redirected to SSZ. Weird shit happening, that's for sure. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 13:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Nowiki template

Trying to make a template at Template:Nowiki, to make it easier to nowiki stuff.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  20:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

It won't work, Nowiki, Includeonly, and Noinclude have an insane number of problems working together, it's pretty much impossible to build a Nowiki template, not to mention it will nowiki the variable so the included will be {{{1}}}, the variable can't be assigned.--Karekmaps?! 23:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


Heh. Lesson learned. I find the three most common are Category:Group Images, Category:Page Elements, and Category:Character Images, so I generally copy/paste those, and remove the ones innaplicable.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

You split them up into the sub categories of those larger categories. Zombie characters, survivor character for example, instead of just character images. This category tree may give you an idea of the layout. I know it's easier to just lump them all together in broad categories, but it's not very helpful for finding the images you want later (which is the reason for categorisation -- boxy talki 23:58 19 December 2007 (BST)

Image:Spooky_ShartakAd.jpg. I have no idea where this would fall under. It's not of Urban Dead, not in a template and not a page element (or is it)? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I've been sticking any tricky ones in the unsorted images category. Probably end up in page elements that one, I guess. Anyway, send them to unsorted, and we'll probably end up creating other categories if there are enough of a group to lump together -- boxy talki 00:04 20 December 2007 (BST)


Thanks for archiving me proper.--Rosslessness 09:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Ive just done an archive for the hospital in vinetown. Any closer to getting it right?--Rosslessness 10:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, Vinetown should have been in brackets... but close enough -- boxy talki 08:50 22 December 2007 (BST)

Formatting question

Hello Boxy, I was referred to you by Nalikill, on the #udwiki IRC. I'm trying to figure out how to make an image link to another page, not just the image. <a href='whatever.html'><img src='whatver.jpg'></a> would work for HTML, but I can't find an equivalent here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thnx. JokimotoM.E.R.C.Y. EDU T 05:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The only way I've seen it done is to first edit the page where you're going to upload the image (eg Image:Whatever.jpg), and make it a redirect to the page you want to link to, and then upload the image to that location. Then whenever anyone clicks on that image on any page it redirects to the page you nominated -- boxy talki 05:57 14 December 2007 (BST)
Thanks a lot for such a quick reply. Will do. JokimotoM.E.R.C.Y. EDU T 16:55, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
{{Click|image=IMAGENAME|link=LINKPAGE|width=IMGWidth in px|height=IMGHeight in px}}
Works for internal links only.--Karekmaps?! 23:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


Is there any way to tell how many times a template is used, and/or where? I know you can tell by clicking on the picture(s) and see where it links, but if there isn't one.... just curious. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 05:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah sure, go to the template page, and hit "what links here". The inclusions are listed seperately to those that just link to the page -- boxy talki 07:02 12 December 2007 (BST)
Of course it's that easy... hurrr. Thankee. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


Please tell me that this is spam and can be reverted? Because it seems bloody ridiculous, but I don't want to do something without being sure and get dragged to A/VB as a consequence. - Whitehouse 17:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Yep, rubbish. But I see Karek has already tidied it up -- boxy talki 22:55 10 December 2007 (BST)

Image Categorization Project

For stuff like Image:01mc.jpg, do we really have to put them up for deletion? If so, should be have an unused image category as well? Thanks -Ryiis 10:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's not mandatory, but they are in danger of being deleted as soon as a sysops, with the will to go through the unused images, finds them. In fact if I like images I find, I put them in my image archive, to save them -- boxytalk • 10:28 2 December 2007 (BST)
Oh, and poo for those AoD images I just did... should I put something like: Category: Drama Club Images ? --Ryiis 10:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, unfortunately. I already created that category for a heap of others I did earlier -- boxytalk • 10:28 2 December 2007 (BST)
Can I help with this?--  Savant  Chit-Chat  12:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, sure. Read up on the link above (in the header). And if you've any questions (no matter how stupid they may seem) ask -- boxytalk • 12:12 2 December 2007 (BST)
Image:AquaAuto.jpg is a location image or not?--  Savant  Chit-Chat  12:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
It's an icon to represent auto repair shops. So it goes into the icons category, and probably should go into the non-TRP locations category -- boxytalk • 12:38 2 December 2007 (BST)
What is exactly TRP, and non-TRP?--  Savant  Chit-Chat  12:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Tactical Resource Points -- boxytalk • 12:43 2 December 2007 (BST)
Ha, and Auto Repair shops are now TRPs... so it should go in TRP locations category :) -- boxytalk • 12:45 2 December 2007 (BST)
Any categories in your mind? (cause i don't know any)--  Savant  Chit-Chat  18:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
If there isn't one for the important location, I've just been creating them. I'll take a look -- boxytalk • 12:37 3 December 2007 (BST)

You too

I'm holding a discussion on possible reforms to the Arbitration system as a step before Policy Discussion, I'd like you're input.--Karekmaps?! 17:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


Just wanted to drop by and thank you for your help with my sig image dealy. It works at that size. I was just worried I'd have to delete the whole thing. Thanks again! --Th heartbeat-1.gifDr. Allison Wolf MEMS Talk PIF 23:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Sig Images

Wasn't the limit of the image heights 14px?-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 10:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... sic em Rex -- boxytalk • 10:35 29 November 2007 (BST)


I stole it from you...(guess you know :) )--  Savant  Chit-Chat  17:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


Eh. I guess you're right. I've got to be the mature one in this sig-fight between me and hagnat. I'll go back to the more moderate colors I had before.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:33, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Better? Can you help me make the text smaller?  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
You can put the <small></small> tags on it.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Is this better?  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I think I got it. Any more suggestions? And please look at A/VB  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Mod Scott just admitted to being Ahrimagicks.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  00:09, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


I got called away unexpectedly, didn't check properly. Thanks for reverting.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Rouge Heart Aces

What have you done?! Ever since you moved our pages, our pages turned black and the set out is all wrong!--Sgt Beebus (RHA) 00:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

It was like that when I got here :) -- boxytalk • 01:49 7 November 2007 (BST)


I have an ide,a it's kinda pointless, but on the Big Bash page, a small area like on Wikipedia pages with artciles of the same name like jason has a area at the top stating a link ot another page or the redirect, that somethign liek that goes ot the BB2 page, kinda pointless but jsut so it's known on the page and stuff. --Darkmagic 00:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


If you have some free time, can you please make this page look nicer? To "tidy" it up go here, and change it (add borders, anything that is cool). Thanks. --  Savant  Chit-Chat  19:35, 25 October 2007 (BST)

I'll put a basic background and navbar on it (when I get time), but I'll leave you to play around with the colours and layout and stuff -- boxytalk • 00:00 3 November 2007 (BST)

Grimch slippery like eel

You responded to a small section of a post i made. I can understand this. Unfortunately, the times for your responses were 5 and 7 minutes after i had removed the section to which you referred. Oops :D --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 15:34, 25 October 2007 (BST)

Policy I'm Working On (Not Spam This Time.)

Is this already in place, or does it still need to be put through? My policy: One of the most basic newbie mistakes is to create a userpage under YourName rather than User:YourName. This can be incredibly frustrating to wiki users that try to find if that person has a userpage, and can confuse the person when they are welcomed on their User Talk:YourName page, not to mention if they vandalize- accidentally or not- and they need to be warned or banned. This is a problem that needs to be minimized as much as is possible, and so sysops need the power to merge these pages on sight, rather than having to go through other approval. Can you help me expand it, and fill it out if it isn't already in place and tell me if it is?  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  00:11, 12 October 2007 (BST)

SysOps already move user pages created in the main namespace to the user namespace when they see them, or are asked to in the move administration page. No one ever got warned for this minor issue in the wiki. So, there is no need for a policy about this. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 02:12, 12 October 2007 (BST)
This isn't really needed, as such pages are covered by speedydelete criterion 9, so we move and get rid of them already, and it doesn't cause any drama the way it is. I only try to change policy when the way things are done is causing too much trouble -- boxytalk • 14:02 12 October 2007 (BST)


Contrary to popular belief, i find constructive discussion to be quite helpful and refreshing. As such, i invite you to point out the rantings in the Wiki rant i posted, in the hopes of turning it into a wiki tool. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 21:11, 9 October 2007 (BST)

The whole introduction makes it a rant. "There are so many things wrong with voting on this wiki at present that its ridiculous. Such stupid and sloppy voting just drags the standard of the whole wiki down, and thats a shame for those of us genuinely trying to improve things for everyone. The following are a selection of stupid ways in which people undermine the entire purpose of the democratic system, often without realising it." Oh, and the fact you put it in Category:WikiRantings :P -- boxytalk • 09:33 10 October 2007 (BST)

Thanks Boxy

Thanks for decorating this. --  Savant  Chit-Chat  08:40, 7 October 2007 (BST)

New Template

{{Subst:Vandal Banning}}. Maybe you could add that to the VB page to assist with proper formatting of reports?  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  02:11, 1 October 2007 (BST)

Interesting template. However in it's current state I don't see it being used or advertised on A/VB. The key things to note are:
  • It links to Darkmagic's userpage
  • It requires two edits to use (one to subst in the template and one to change the username), you should learn about variables to avoid this.
I don't think this is very useful though because it adds un-nessacary complications to the process of making a report. - If Jedaz = 09:24, 1 October 2007 (BST) then pi = 2 + 1
I agree with Jedaz, brings more complication into the page than is needed. It's a pretty simple task for people to report vandals, as long as we get the right name we can soon fix up their report anyway. It could be a useful template for experienced users, if you work out the variables thing -- boxytalk • 10:44 1 October 2007 (BST)
I'm trying. I looked at it. I can't get the variables to work. Can you help me with that part? and I'm sorry for being rude earlier.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  11:49, 1 October 2007 (BST)
There ya go, try that. If you've got multiple variable, just number them 1, 2, 3, etc. and keep them in order when calling the template. I'd only name the variable if it was a large, complex template like a locationblock, or talk:suggestion type one -- boxytalk • 13:09 1 October 2007 (BST)
Thank you.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  21:12, 1 October 2007 (BST)

My policy

Could you take a look, proof read... maybe give me a hint or two before sending it to vote yet again? Thanks! --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 23:59, 30 September 2007 (BST)

I'll take a look -- boxytalk • 10:44 1 October 2007 (BST)

Your user page

Your user page... my eyes... my brain... it hurts. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 06:05, 30 September 2007 (BST)

I know I neglect it a bit... but how does it hurt your eyes? I thought it was rather bland, myself -- boxytalk • 06:09 30 September 2007 (BST)
It reminds me of some good ole' dot com bubble pages... lots of images, lots of content... but no content. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 06:12, 30 September 2007 (BST)
Yes, well that is certainly true. I don't usually find myself interesting enough to write about ;) -- boxytalk • 06:16 30 September 2007 (BST)


Heh, thanks for the cleanup on those disambiguation pages. I must have been getting pretty tired by the time I got to them, to make typos like that... --Morgan Blair 14:27, 27 September 2007 (BST)

Facebook Application

I recently discovered that Kevan has created an Urban Dead application for Facebook. I don't know if you have a Facebook account of your own to try it out, but should/could this be advertised somewhere? Perhaps the news on the front page? I'm not sure what's appropriate here, so you seem the best person to come to. 'arm. 20:10, 23 September 2007 (BST)

Oh, nevermind. I just found a link to it here. Could still possibly be advertised though... 'arm. 20:14, 23 September 2007 (BST)
Havn't had anything to do with facebook myself. I guess it could be placed on the Navigation template? -- boxytalk • 06:40 24 September 2007 (BST)


Is it me or is there nothing to do but help Project Welcome these days? --User:Axe27/Sig 03:27, 23 September 2007 (BST)

There's still quite a few missing locations to be blocked, and once that's finished, location links to disambiguation pages to redirect to the correct pages. You could take over the cycling of suggestions if you like, I can find other things to do. I'm sure there's other stuff around too...
Or, you could start some pointless drama... that's what most people seem to end up doing when they get bored ;) -- boxytalk • 03:33 23 September 2007 (BST)
Hey, the wikipedia population needs entertainment. --User:Axe27/Sig 03:35, 23 September 2007 (BST)

Historical Group Nomination

I want to nominate The Profile Police for historical group. I've created the page and stuff, but don't know how to (or if I'm allowed to) get the information on the main page in that little news thingy. Can ya point me in the right direction? Thanks, --8 Bucks 19:34, 15 August 2007 (BST)

Nevermind, I think I got it. Thanks anyway. --8 Bucks 22:50, 15 August 2007 (BST)


Can you check my User Page? I have got some problems with templates there. The "Here's the key" template is jumping of all other templates. How is that possible? Can you help? --  Savant  Chit-Chat  09:36, 14 August 2007 (BST)

The problem is in the margin: 0 2em 0 2em; part. Try taking it out (or modifying it) The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talkcontribs) at 09:46 14 August 2007 (BST)
Thanks! ooopsss... Doesn't work :( Any else suggestion?Never mind... I done it someway... It seems. I have that on the template, and on the page (untemplated) and the only thing that I was touching was the template itself, not the template on the page. --  Savant  Chit-Chat  10:04, 14 August 2007 (BST)


Could you give me the raw code of your sig on my talk page? Thanks. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 04:19, 25 August 2007 (BST)


Your new sig is quite nice but it only displays day of the week not day of the month. That might create some confusion as all days are used four times in the month. worth looking into?-- Vista  +1  23:17, 30 July 2007 (BST)

Thanks, some idiot used LOCALDAY instead of LOCALDATE. Now I've just gotta remember to sign with ~~~ rather than ~~~~ :) The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talkcontribs) at 01:59 31 July 2007 (BST)

Wha? I only just got that all those "unsigned" posts are infact your new sig. That's even more subversive that Swiers' "." sig he was using for a while. 'arm. 04:17, 31 July 2007 (BST)

The first few fooled me as well. But then I figured that no way Boxy would make that mistake that many times and I actually start reading the sig. sneaky devil.-- Vista  +1  15:17, 31 July 2007 (BST)

I am at one with teh newbs >:) (BTW, the thought occurred to me while reading some of your attempts to get n00bs to sign, arm) The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talkcontribs) at 03:52 1 August 2007 (BST)

I try, I try. Mixed success I think. That massive {{welcomenewbie}} template is too large, and the text too small. It should give more of just the absolute basics. Like *only* how to sign and how to indent replies properly. 'arm. 09:45, 1 August 2007 (BST)


Sorry. I've been using {{unsigned}} all day, but it that case he put a comment with a sig, then deleted it when he had second thoughts and voted keep. But then forgot his sig. But yes, no more adding sigs for people. I tend to add {{unsigned}} and if they are new put something on their talk page reminding them how to sign. But everyone forgets now and again. 'arm. 18:10, 27 July 2007 (BST)

A wiki question

I was looking about the wiki for a page that included "Celebrity Sightings". You know, people could post up things like, "I was fortunate enough to be eaten by the Zombie Keith Moon!" with a link to the profile of the celebrity. Any idea if one exists, and if not, what would I need to do to get one started? --8 Bucks 19:42, 25 July 2007 (BST)

You may be looking for Malton Celebrities. It's not a group as such, I don't think -- boxy T Nuts block it! DA 23:23, 25 July 2007 (BST)

G. Delarue

It's a description of George Relarue whoever that is(page name might be a misspelling). Anyway it describes where he was born and certain points of his career as general and such(basically a character history of why he's in Malton). It's basically a character description but might be a person description, only problems with that are it sets the date he came to Malton as March 2007 and also said he has returned. Then again my French isn't what it used to be. Hope that helps.--Karekmaps?! 03:58, 23 July 2007 (BST)

Thanks. Looks like a character page then, I'll move it later, if none of the other guys do -- boxy T Nuts block it! DA 04:05, 23 July 2007 (BST)


aw sorry about the recruitment thing, i did notice all of the other ads gone and i wondered if i did something bad lol, sorry, im new at this —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Butthead (talkcontribs) 06:24, July 22, 2007.

Ah well, ya get that -- boxy T Nuts block it! DA 09:21, 22 July 2007 (BST)

May I ask why?

Why did you delete the the header off the welcomenewbie template? --User:Axe27/Sig 16:56, 14 July 2007 (BST)

Rouge Heart Aces wiki pages

Hi, It was my first time making a wiki page, so I'm just wondering why you changed my sub-pages from RHA to Rouge Heart Aces? This is for future reference if I'm making any more sub pages for Rouge Heart Aces (RHA) cheers --Sgt Beebus (Merc for hire) 16:45, 13 July 2007 (BST)

RE: Template

No I think I'm doing pretty Well for my first time making one. Thanks Though!--Jackass Alex 11:08, 12 July 2007 (BST)

Category:Barricade Plans

Thanks, I don't know what got into me with that link you fixed. (In case you hadn't guessed from recent changes today, we has a plan for this.) -- Atticus Rex mfu pif Δ 07:36, 9 July 2007 (BST)

Seems like a lot of work, categorising all the plans on their compliance to the UBP, if that's your plan -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 07:41, 9 July 2007 (BST)
That's the easy part. -- Atticus Rex mfu pif Δ 07:44, 9 July 2007 (BST)
What's the big info then? -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 07:46, 9 July 2007 (BST)

Defining NPOV

I was going over old talk pages and such and noticed that you were interested in building a real and applicable description for NPOV for the Urban Dead wiki, when I checked I saw it still has never been done. The wikipedia description of NPOV has many major short coming when applied here and there are plenty of flaws with applying it and I think defining NPOV for Urban Dead is a necessary thing that could settle a lot of disputes. It is also something I've been looking for a way to try to do and get a consensus from users on for quite a while. So, that being said I would like to talk with you about setting up a definition for NPOV for the wiki through discussion of POV issues and such to see if we, and other users in the community, can come to a definitive conclusion on what can and can't be allowed(such as we all know that original research must be allowed but what about requiring proof, etc.). I'm sure we could discuss it on talk pages but mabey it would be best if we did it on the NPOV page talk page so everyone could participate and announce it as wiki news.--karek 23:35, 7 July 2007 (BST)

Well, I've started the talk page, let's see where this goes -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 01:07, 8 July 2007 (BST)

erroneous "article"

Somehow, this user talk page is included as an article at the bottom of Category:Current_Suggestions. And because I'm not fully sure how those those inclusions work, I can't work out why. Is it my fault for putting "Suggestion:Lie Down" as a link on his talk page? 'arm. 00:44, 8 July 2007 (BST)

You put a link to the current suggestions page in, but being a category page, it includes the page instead of creating a link unless you put a : before Category. Example [[:Category:Current_Suggestions#Making_a_Suggestion|here]] -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 00:48, 8 July 2007 (BST)
And I did it above too! No wonder I never see where I've gone wrong - it literally disappears! Anyway, cheers, and I'll keep trying to remember this for the future :). 'arm. 00:56, 8 July 2007 (BST)
It's the same with images, if you want to put a link to the image, rather than include it on the page, use [[:Image:Dupe.jpg]] -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 01:02, 8 July 2007 (BST)

Help with images

Hi, I was wondering if it is possible to control the height of images, so far I only know how to control the width (by adding --px as part of the image link) but can't find any reference to controlling the height. And it would be nice to be able to do so, for editing the recruitment page as sometimes the images are too large. Thanks in advance. - Whitehouse 19:02, 1 July 2007 (BST)

I believe it's possible to set the maximum height by putting in 10px x 10px instead of 10px. The image should keep it's ratio of width to height, but be limited to either the max width or height (whichever hits the limit first) you specify. Example below -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 09:06, 2 July 2007 (BST)
Dupe.jpg 100px x 30px Dupe.jpg

Thanks for the help. - Whitehouse 17:10, 2 July 2007 (BST)

Main Page

Main Page/new Whaddyasay ? The commannouce template then leaves the navigation template. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 00:27, 20 June 2007 (BST)

Iz Watching!

Thanks for the disambig thingy, I forgot about the STREETS craze...Oh, and pretty talk page!--Lachryma 13:27, 20 June 2007 (BST)

It's a bit historical now ain't it... but anyway, it's the first thing I thought of when I saw your new page in recent changes >:) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA
I saw some of that graffiti, back in like October, and I had read said article too a while back...I can only remember so much though!--Lachryma 19:15, 20 June 2007 (BST)


I noticed the "Community Portal" on the UD wiki seemed to advertise various types of news. Would this include in-game events created by players, such as Biertag? --Mobius187 June 20 2007, 8:52 AM (EST)

Yeah, sure, I guess. You'd be better off asking Hagnat though, he's the one revamping the community portal -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 14:37, 20 June 2007 (BST)
hum, i guess that could fit in a new news category, and then we could bring back Current events --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 19:21, 20 June 2007 (BST)


I'm new to winkis never used them till now, But I'm a fast learner. --User:lighterdark 10:12, 9 June 2007 (BST)

Die a painful death

Nah. I have two things to ask you: First, check my talk page as I asked you for some insight pertaining your template's formatting request. Second, look at User_talk:Kevan for something I found out about 8 months ago and told people about in several occasions but no one noted nor bothered to ask. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 07:08, 14 May 2007 (BST)

sysop template alignment

Yeah that wanked about half the inclusions (following text/template did not wrap well) so I rolled it back. --Max Grivas JG / M.F.T. 07:11, 2 May 2007 (BST)

Opps, sorry about that (but I'm sure no one important would be using that template, would they?) ;P -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 07:36, 2 May 2007 (BST)

Blah Blah Blah

Fool, all the text on my page is pink. Therefore, you shouldn't need to highlight anything. Thanks for the compliments though!--Lachryma 20:07, 29 April 2007 (BST)

Well...obviously banshees have hacked your computer, as the white space of said rat templates allows for the easy and efficient reading of reasons for/dealing with the awarding of rat templates, hence forth referred to as rats.--Lachryma 05:38, 30 April 2007 (BST)
That's weird. Too bad I have no idea how to fix it. I guess I could get each template's code and stuff...I wonder what strange bit of fate makes you see my page like that. It's very sad.--Lachryma 05:52, 30 April 2007 (BST)
Yeah, you can always hightlight how I've already moved on with my life?--Lachryma 06:00, 30 April 2007 (BST)
That was the point of that clip, to bother your dog. Aight, laterzzz!--Lachryma 06:11, 30 April 2007 (BST)


Are totally fucked on my talk page. I want to fix 'em, then archive 'em. How do I fix 'em?? And yes, I know the page is too long. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 12:14, 3 April 2007 (BST)

Erm, how do I align the Mod template on my page to the right? --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 02:55, 28 April 2007 (BST)

Ah, thanks a bunch buddy... er, hang on - why is there a big space underneath the template? --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 03:30, 29 April 2007 (BST)
There's no space at all underneath it on my 'puter -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 03:43, 29 April 2007 (BST)
Ah, I see now. There is a space underneath in Firefox, but not in ie6. Hmmm, interesting.... Firefox for once is a little buggy. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 06:47, 1 May 2007 (BST)

Yeah, just noticed the chat about the template. I think this is a good opportunity to cut it down into the basics and have it point to the underused help pages. I've been pretty busy lately, so I only noticed it a few hours ago. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 10:26, 16 May 2007 (BST)

A friendly advice

Please use the preview button (next to the "save page" button when editing) before saving, to ensure the changes you are making are going to work as expected. This saves you from creating multiple minor changes that "spam" the recent changes page for other users. --~~~~

--Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 10:55, 6 April 2007 (BST)

Hahaaaa, damn I wish it worked... son-of-a-bitch wiki code! ;) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 11:03, 6 April 2007 (BST)
It's what I truly hate about templates... previews just don't work. Ironic eh! Any ideas about how to get a template to automatically sign for you? I don't like how it formats a sig when you type in {{Template}} ~~~~. It forces the signature onto a new line, rather than straight after the text -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 11:08, 6 April 2007 (BST)
Don't overdo it. All you have to do to sign is pressing a button. We can live with that. Nice template, BTW.--Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 11:16, 6 April 2007 (BST)
Too anal, eh? lol, OK fair enough :) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 11:26, 6 April 2007 (BST)

Renaming Sub-Group Wikipages

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but I cannot appear to rename a sub-group wikipage within the Category tag. For example, say I have the page Dead vs Blue/Members. Now say I wanted to put a category tag in their to group it with the other Dead vs Blue sub-pages (i.e. [[Category:Dead vs Blue]]). Now in that category page it will appear as Dead vs Blue/Members, even if on the wikipage I placed the tag as: [[Category:Dead vs Blue|Members]]. This is in contrast to how users can apparently edit how a location wikipage is categorized, namely by remove "The" from its title in order to properly alphabeticize it in the list. --Mobius187 April 10 2007, 8:51 AM

I'm not sure I know what you mean there. I tried it out on the members page, and by adding [[Category:Dead vs Blue|Members, Dead vs Blue]] it separated that page out into the M's part of the category, although it didn't "rename" the page there (but I don't think it ever did that, even for locations pages). Is that what you wanted, or something more? -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 00:54, 11 April 2007 (BST)


You might be interested in this page that I am working on, about helping newbies in all sorts of areas. At the moment, I've pretty much finished an advanced signature template walk though. Give me a few pointers perhaps on my talk page? --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 04:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

You asked the big man yet whether there is a way of adding the welcome newbie template automatically to a new user's page?? --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 11:54, 27 March 2007 (BST)

Na, still procrastinating about that (other stuff to do). Still think it would be a good idea, but maybe not the actual "welcomenewbies" on. Maybe one with the absolute bare bones...
  • This is the page for telling people about you and your characters --> link
  • This is your talk page where people can leave you messages --> link
  • {{sign}}
  • etc
Maybe with a link to the welcomenewbies page if they want more info? If your interested, I don't mind if you run with it (I may or may not get to it later) ;) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 12:13, 27 March 2007 (BST)

Wow, I really have to congratulate you in trying to streamline the suggestions page/system, while I've been tinkering with a possible (heck very likely) new user page. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 14:55, 12 April 2007 (BST)

Thanks. I really would love to be able use those tables to the best effect... but damn, it just gets so complicated. Someday, someday :) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 15:04, 12 April 2007 (BST)

Whats with

The width change? --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 02:01, 26 May 2007 (BST)

Yeah, well I'm running a 22" screen at 1650*1050, so most pages stretched to fit a certain width look retarded anyways. I just think a set width is the best, that's all. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 07:19, 26 May 2007 (BST)

Project Sleep

You might be interested. Check it out and tell me what you think. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 09:15, 19 May 2007 (BST)

Oh, and also have a look at this page. It's just a sketchy idea of how the help section could be set out better. I think it needs a proper home page rather than a template at the bottom of the page. What do you think? Oh, I also want to revive Project Wiki Patrol. Appoint people specific tasks on the wiki, like maintaining the group advertisement page (which needs constant deleting and reformatting). --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 11:48, 19 May 2007 (BST)