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This Looks Like a Job for a Wiki Mentor!

DDR, can you help me use my snazzy new sig, please? --Natasha Fatale 23:36, 2 July 2010 (BST)

I can set your sig up for you. It'll take me about 5 minutes.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:13, 3 July 2010 (BST)
(Bright smile) Thank you much, Yonnua! How do we work this? I have a sig made here:
Guess we should stop cluttering up DDR's talk page...--Natasha Fatale 00:46, 3 July 2010 (BST)
DW about that, looks like you've got some help, good luck! -- 03:15, 3 July 2010 (BST)


Let's get this party started! - Poodle of Doom 23:25, 3 July 2010 (BST)

Those two votes

Are not incorrectly signed. They have the indent which I put on them still left on. The votes are signed perfectly.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:23, 5 July 2010 (BST)

Right, sorry, no idea what I'm talkign about. This one on the other hand looks awfully well signed.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:26, 5 July 2010 (BST)
Right, now I see all the reasons I'm confused. Damn people editting each other's timestamps. Thanks!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:29, 5 July 2010 (BST)

Good point, Yonnua. DDR, please stop interfering in the democratic process. There is no rule against fixing somebody's signature when they have clearly attempted to do so. See {{unsigned}}. (Timestamps come from the History tab, noobs.) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 07:32, 5 July 2010 (BST)

Revenant, those are not correctly signed, and, since it's a vote where it explicitly said they would be struck otherwise, there'll be no meddling with them.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:35, 5 July 2010 (BST)
No, you're impersonating, which done knowingly is vandalism. You keep it up? You'll be sent to vandal banning. If you want the votes so badly you have to get the users to come back onto the wiki and add the signature and timestamp themselves. You may not make the users timestamp for them, in all votes for the wiki votes/timestamps/sigs must be 100% the voters material, always has been and at the top it's no exception and states the criterea that a valid vote must be when placed which was breached no matter how much surgery you try and pull on the votes to fix them. And I know they come from the history tab. -- 07:43, 5 July 2010 (BST)
Gotta agree with DDR and Yonn on this one. It's standard practice and it says it in plain language that explicitly lays out what'll happen if you fail to do it properly. That said, there's more to that rule than merely striking the vote, and on the one user I did check, neither of you two followed through on it. Aichon 07:52, 5 July 2010 (BST)
As far as I remember it said we should notify the users. I don't bother notifying meatpuppets. If it were you who screwed it up, I would notify you, not users who will only get the message when they're called back in a month. -- 07:53, 5 July 2010 (BST)
I actually notified them both when I struck them the first time.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:57, 5 July 2010 (BST)
There are three that have been struck, and, ironically, the only one I checked was the one you didn't notify (I since saw your two notifications on my own). Regardless, DDR is correct, it says "should", not "must". Aichon 08:03, 5 July 2010 (BST)
The {{unsigned}} template does not constitute impersonation. Neither does fixing someone else's timestamp. The History confirms that the comment was theirs, I am providing correct attribution. lrn2copyrite kthx ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 08:31, 5 July 2010 (BST)
If you don't stop edit warring this, I'll be protecting the page until you've shown signs you can behave. Then we'll see who has the winning chance in you're petty election. God, I can't wait till you look back on this in a week and realise how retarded you're behaving. -- 08:34, 5 July 2010 (BST)
O RLY? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 18:09, 5 July 2010 (BST)
This isn't about Revenant scrabbling for votes. I fail to see how correcting timestamps is an unreasonable thing to do; as Revenant pointed out, the comment with the correct time is clearly attributed to the original poster in the page history. Forgetting a piece of attribution that's stored elsewhere doesn't make the posters' intent any less obvious or valid. Could you explain the rationale for why this was unacceptable? ~ AphelionT 19:21, 5 July 2010 (BST)
It actually does make it less valid. Not by logic but just by the rules of keeping a clean boundary between properly made votes and otherwise. I was simply basing this off voting guidelines of policy discussion and suggestions voting. I could give you a history lesson explaining in a very logical manner exactly why I'm not even pursuing this anymore, so I don't really know why you're jumping in. -- 00:54, 6 July 2010 (BST)
I brought it up because I don't understand the thought process behind your decision, and alluding vaguely to unspecified rules isn't very helpful. I see nothing wrong with fixing attributions as long as everything is correct and properly cited. I mean, yes, you should timestamp your votes, and if you do it wrong, people are under no obligation to count it--but if someone is inclined to correct it, where's the harm? Why does a "properly made" vote have more intrinsic value than one that was later corrected by someone else when both are equally clear and equally well cited? Since the issue is no longer relevant, I'm willing to drop it, but it just seems strange to me. ~ AphelionT 01:57, 6 July 2010 (BST)
Ask the founding fathers of the wiki where they got their decisions from, don't make me go through the A/PD archives to answer your pointless questions, again I was just following what has been used as a rule of thumb for official wiki votes, as Yonnua did when he wrote the rules. As for citing unspecified rules, well, that's just a perk of actually spending a lot of time on this place, so don't look at me as if I'm trying to cheat you out of some sort of conversational leverage, it's just the truth, and I couldn't care less whether you "buy" its legitimacy or not. I'm sorry if this seems blunt but it's only because I really don't want to have to keep grinding on about these questions when I've been proven by sysop vote that my view does not apply in this case and have happily yielded- it's a null argument now. -- 07:23, 6 July 2010 (BST)
Dagnabit, I only just read the last sentence of your post saying you were willing to drop it. nvm. -- 08:33, 6 July 2010 (BST)


Regarding the current bids. Neither Grim or Revenant meet the criteria. It's mostly good ol spam. WOOT precedent? I didn't want to drag them to A/VB since I doubt they are aware of it. But why are the bids still on? I thought stuff likes this gets moved to the talk page, not archived as Ross apparently wants let alone be seriously considered. Yeah, I'm asking you. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 18:20, 5 July 2010 (BST)

Well in the case of the Woot precedent, it was his third or fourth case before he was vandalbanned. These two have done it once. The general idea is if it happens multiple times, THEN it's vandalism.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:23, 5 July 2010 (BST)
I'm talking about vandalism, I already said they don't know about it. It's about their promotions not meeting criteria. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 18:34, 5 July 2010 (BST)
"If a user is highly exemplary in one criterion, a certain level of give may be extended to other criteria."
I think that pretty much covers it for both of them don't you? --Honestmistake 19:02, 5 July 2010 (BST)
Pardon me, it took me a while to understand what is going on. By no means do I mind, once the circus dies down it can be archived early (or just left to die after a long time span). As far as I see they are just tarnishing reputations and behaving like jackasses out of butthurtery, if being remembered for this is their prerogative then I don't mind. --
Plus I don't really think this is vandalism anyway, it strongly resembles Misanthropy's stunt, and I'm willing to back it up that way. -- 01:20, 6 July 2010 (BST)
It's usually only vandalism if its been spammed on the page multiple times (as Yonnua said.) Usually we don't worry about cycling inappropriate candidates unless they are clearly inappropriate (and this is usually done under the pretense of not gaining enough vouch votes, an example is here.) In most cases (and especially in this case,) it's usually not worth the effort/drama to cycle a bid early. Linkthewindow  Talk  05:04, 6 July 2010 (BST)
And the obvious case of HE BROUGHT GRIM BACK FUCKING WIN -- 07:26, 6 July 2010 (BST)


still pissy about the amnesia stuff. seriously that is low even for you. xoxo. xoxo 03:28, 6 July 2010 (BST)

ps what happened to cybro?xoxo 03:49, 6 July 2010 (BST)

He demoted because he had to finish the uni semester, exams etc. hasn't come back yet. considering emailing him about grim, he might be interested. -- 07:16, 6 July 2010 (BST)


Dude. What's Happening? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:36, 6 July 2010 (BST)

Haha, I've been playing daily since the start, I'm afraid I just haven't found anyone. I've had a good time though, I was PKed on the first day for being a "fake revolutionary" from french revolutionary group and just today a member of Revenant's group tried to PK me, though it seems to have been isolated to the wiki drama- I think the guy just wanted to say he did. Either way, I'm just roaming around but it appears I have a dud sense of luck atm. -- 11:26, 6 July 2010 (BST)
Drama? Where? Still its better than getting headshot at RP's by newbs. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:36, 6 July 2010 (BST)
Yah, I guess that's true. -- 13:26, 6 July 2010 (BST)
In retrospect, I wish I had said that I was simply ignoring all other contestants and hunting you. Damn. -- 06:46, 7 July 2010 (BST)
You're ignoring me? You'll die for this. --Sophie ◆◆◆ CAPD 10:50, 7 July 2010 (BST)
I thought he was ignoring everyone. Is he even trying? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:36, 7 July 2010 (BST)

Log on and kill me already. I'm just having terrible luck in this.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 08:34, 7 July 2010 (BST)

Hi guys! Good to see we all had the same RP idea. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 08:45, 7 July 2010 (BST)
Ross is there now too? I'm gonna be patrolling that RP all month. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 08:52, 7 July 2010 (BST)
Only because I wanted to get to a RP before getting headshot again. Ill move to my favourite one later. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 08:54, 7 July 2010 (BST)
Oi Hawk! This reminds me, you scanned me but never revived me! Boo :P --Sophie ◆◆◆ CAPD 10:50, 7 July 2010 (BST)
Alex, zed v zed doesn't count at revive points ya doofus -- 11:43, 7 July 2010 (BST)
Oh yeah. Ha, good thing really. I went there because Red informed me he'd be in the area.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 14:18, 7 July 2010 (BST)

Mattick Towers Image

Hey DDR. I noticed that you had deleted an image that I uploaded a week or two ago that I was going to use for a building. Unfortunately, I was in Los Angeles on vacation during the deletion and had limited access to the internet so I didn't get the chance to appeal it then. I'd like to use it now, if you don't mind. Thanks and here's hoping you gain Sysop. --TheBardofAwesome 11:18, 6 July 2010 (BST)

No prob. I'm already sysop and I'd be happy to reupload your image. Do you know its name at all? I can find it easier then, I'm afraid my archive is rather large. -- 11:24, 6 July 2010 (BST)
Probably Image:Mattick_Towers.jpg, which was deleted June 28 -- boxy talkteh rulz 11:41 6 July 2010 (BST)
Yep, that's the one Boxy! Thanks to the both of you. --TheBardofAwesome 12:19, 6 July 2010 (BST)
Done, aaand, done. Good luck!! -- 13:28, 6 July 2010 (BST)


JSYK, it is not my intention to cast any aspersions on how hard you have worked for this place – far from it! I'd just like to contend that it is sometimes better to work smarter rather than harder. There is a saying in my line of work: "Two weeks coding saves two hours' planning." ;) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 04:21, 8 July 2010 (BST)

Yeah, fair enough. -- 04:50, 8 July 2010 (BST)


I made a mistake, I know...So sue me. It's probably because I did the math first, and then realized some votes were posted after the deadline...Blame me for being too tired to do anything this morning... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 16:54, 9 July 2010 (BST)

But even if you counted removed votes, it still comes to 13/20, so 65%... --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:56, 9 July 2010 (BST)
2/3 is 66%. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 16:57, 9 July 2010 (BST)
Yeah but it wasnt 2/3 it was 13/20. Either way it's not like I mind, was just fixing is all -- 16:58, 9 July 2010 (BST)
I struck Rev's vote first before counting, so technically, I counted 13/19. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 16:59, 9 July 2010 (BST)
LOL fair enough, though it doesn't make you any more right, just gives you a strange pattern of vote counting, haha -- 17:02, 9 July 2010 (BST)
I still haven't have my 5 cups of coffee yet... >< --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 17:04, 9 July 2010 (BST)

We really need a better way to handle these voting deadlines. Oh, for Parser Functions! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 06:15, 10 July 2010 (BST) might be possible without them. Simple addition and subtraction is possible using switch statements, but you can only do it for preset/hardcoded ranges of numbers (at least, I've never figured out a way to do it for an arbitrary integer, but if you know a way to implement addition for an arbitrary integer using only switch statements, you let me know). In our case, however, we'd only need to go up to 31, so the arithmetic is possible. Assuming we had some way to subst in the starting month and day of the vote via a template call (which I'm not sure is possible, off the top of my head), we'd be able to add 14 days onto it. At that point, we have the end date, which we could then use for a countdown and notification, much like I did back in the earliest revisions of the Big Bash 3 page. It's probably more hassle than it's worth though, since it'd likely be a few hundred or thousand lines of wikicode (e.g. some of the logic would be similar to what I used here, which is essentially one template call away from breaking the page). A better way would be to have someone compute the end date manually then call a template that acts like a countdown/notification to that date. That'd actually be pretty simple to make. Aichon 08:17, 10 July 2010 (BST)
{{SUBST:CURRENTYEAR}}-{{SUBST:CURRENTMONTH}}-{{SUBST:CURRENTDAY}} → 2010-07-10. Howzat? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 08:46, 10 July 2010 (BST)
But can you do all of that from a template call rather than directly on the page itself? That's the crux of the problem. The substing won't work, I believe, though there might be some ways to finagle it by using includeonly and some creative parsing. I've experimented with it in the past, and I know Rooster has too, but I don't think we've ever found success with it, from what I recall. Aichon 08:51, 10 July 2010 (BST)

Promotions talk page

Yeah, it was getting kinda ridiculous there. Good move. Kinda weirded me out seeing the Vouch/Againsts there as well, but figure it helps preserve the context, right? Can't help but wonder if making it more obvious that they're quotes is a good idea, but that's more a general procedural thought than anything. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 21:22, 10 July 2010 (BST)

Hmm. Like most things, I picked up that idea from whoever moved stuff over to the talk page before me, and I think it helps preserve context for whoever needs to remember it. I think it helps, it can make it look a little superficial I but in reality, it is only ever moved like that if it crosses the line into "going too far" so usually it's discussion that is considered a little unnecessary. Of course the crats should read it, it's just a majority of people shouldn't need to do get the jist of what's going on. -- 03:26, 11 July 2010 (BST)


Was putting this where you did intentional? Aichon 02:22, 13 July 2010 (BST)

Ya -- 02:24, 13 July 2010 (BST)
Gotcha. The wording left me wondering a bit, so I figured I'd double check. Aichon 03:31, 13 July 2010 (BST)

Recent Changes

Stalker!--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 15:30, 14 July 2010 (BST)

Yeah, it is literally the stupidest tactic I've ever read. I considered sending it to deletions but I was too lazy to fix all the links or do any of the work to make it deletable so I just added that. -- 15:39, 14 July 2010 (BST)
Word. The new template is awershome. EDIT: Oh yeh, and this thing has to be right up there with stupid shit.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 20:10, 14 July 2010 (BST)


nudge.-- Adward  15:10, 15 July 2010 (BST)

Minor correction with the policy

You put the wrong template on the policy (read my vote.) Linkthewindow  Talk  09:11, 16 July 2010 (BST)

Community Portal

You think I'd be okay switching out the old template for my new one? Ross's FA schedule starts today. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 02:46, 19 July 2010 (BST)

I still think it needs more work, for example I just fixed the colours of the borders so they match the rest of the main page, but I guess it's not harming anyone. I still think it doesn't fit with the other templates though. -- 04:04, 19 July 2010 (BST)


You're part Dutch? --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 23:34, 23 July 2010 (BST)

Yup, all extended family. It's why I love arguing apparently. -- 01:11, 24 July 2010 (BST)
Fuck ja. "Als je niet het Nederlands, dat je niet veel!" Familie arg– debatten zijn de beste. :D ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 17:07, 17 August 2010 (BST)


Not to kill an already dead horse... but I found this,.... I still think I was within my rights when I brought an arby against you. - Poodle of Doom 03:27, 24 July 2010 (BST)

Most definitely, but you don't understand. It wasn't outside your right to post the accusations and request on arbitration. It's within my right to claim Aichon has been sodomising my girlfriend, even though it isn't true. But the issue I had to it was that there are two sides to every coin and my version of the story was, from the start, that there was no personal hostility towards you that I had done bar one comment I myself considered out of line. Besides that one incidence, I was only ever doing my job and the honest truth is I was taken aback when you came out with these claims because I barely recognised who you were and our past dealings; I was just doing my day to day editing.
There are definitely some users I've had problems with in the past, that if they asked for a restraining order for a set amount of time, I wouldn't argue against it, but the day that someone comes to me and claims abuse when I've either a) not done it or b) created some sort of reaction from you when I was simply doing my day-to-day work around here, and hence a ruling of restraining order would inhibit my normal day to day work on this wiki based on unfounded claims, that's when I'm gonna argue till the cows come home.
Have things gotten more personal since then? Most probably, but I assure you that it only happened since you shot at my thresholds relentlessly for weeks while also throwing personal quips at me. -- 03:40, 24 July 2010 (BST)
Hey now. I heard that. Also, you may have a right to say it, but that won't save you from a libel case in civil court. :P Aichon 04:00, 24 July 2010 (BST)
Possibly even under British law, given the location of the UD server… might be interesting! :P ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 17:10, 17 August 2010 (BST)


First Misanthropy, now you. What happened to actually using names to identify ourselves? --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 14:01, 26 July 2010 (BST)

Glah his is random. Mine is actually more DDR than I am. -- 14:03, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Oh name-symbolism. Smart. You know, I always threw my quarters in shooters and fighters, back in the old days. I never really thought about it, but I guess your a fan of DDR machines? --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 14:08, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Yeah, better than Guitar Hero anyways. I do prefer the shooters though. -- 14:22, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Really? I thought most shooters were banned by Australian law. Though there was that special Left4Dead2 Aussie edition...--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 14:27, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Aus is fail and backward but not many games have actually been banned for that long at a time. GTA's have been banned but eventually released, same for Manhunt and L4D2. it's all garbage in my opinion, killing a guy in GTA4 and having no blood come out means less ramifications on my consciousness if I consider doing it IRL than if I see them bleeding like mad. I hate FPS's but arcade wise I love shooting ones. -- 14:34, 26 July 2010 (BST)

Happy Birthday

First! --VVV RPGMBCWS 08:13, 28 July 2010 (BST)

It's his b-day today? Happy b-day, DDR! Now gimme my slice of cake! ;D --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 08:16, 28 July 2010 (BST)
ya, it be my bday, thanks vvv -- 13:41, 28 July 2010 (BST)

Happy 20something birthday! --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 21:56, 28 July 2010 (BST)

Ditto.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:07, 28 July 2010 (BST)

Thanks guys <3 --

01:54, 31 July 2010 (BST)

I still want my slice. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 02:04, 31 July 2010 (BST)

Was it actually? I'll let you suck my cock when i come to visit next weekend coz you're daddy's special girl xoxo 08:20, 31 July 2010 (BST)

You're coming in? Fucking party time. -- 09:00, 31 July 2010 (BST)
What kind of friend would i be if i didn't get blind drunk on the anniversary of your university's foundation? I ASK YOU THAT. xoxo 07:23, 2 August 2010 (BST)
Oh... you're coming for autonomy day. I THOUGHT YOU WERE COMING FOR US -- 08:43, 2 August 2010 (BST)

Let me guess,...

You want to share my redirect page? - Poodle of Doom

Not quite, my group is in a very infant stage and as such we aren't recruiting or inviting members at the moment, so I have no interest in outsiders searching for and finding our group for now. Over the next month our older members will be nurturing and levelling up our newer members, whilst the chances of the group getting off the ground aren't spectacular I'm willing to give it a try and if that happens then yes, I'll lodge a request at A/PT to have the redirect unprotected. But until then, I'm focussing on the core members of Lemons and seeing how we go from there. -- 15:15, 1 August 2010 (BST)
Would you be interested in running a a seperat disambiguation page instead? - Poodle of Doom 15:34, 1 August 2010 (BST)
Perhaps, we'll see. -- 08:44, 2 August 2010 (BST)
The only reason why I ask is because in game, we actually do go by EVIL. I assume you'd include each dot?,.... We are still willing to share,... I just figured that we could link to a disambiguation page on both of ours,.... - Poodle of Doom 14:08, 2 August 2010 (BST)
I'll see what the group thinks about all of this when we are ready to advertise. -- 00:26, 4 August 2010 (BST)


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I broke up the code into lines so it wasn't a blob, i don't know if that was intended but it seemed to fix a fair bit of the formatting. Somewhere in there, a code started working which gave the whole thing a nice yellow background but as I decompressed the code into lines it dissapeared again and for some reason the style tags just exploded and appeared as text, so I simply removed them. As for the minimap on the right, until I figure out how to fix the style problem I doubt I'll be able to fix it. TBH I'm not very fantastic at writing or modifying code, but I'm alright at reading it, so my help with this is always going to be limited I'm afraid. A really rough version of the changes I made are sort of here. You'll notice I took out West Grayside, for some reason it was more broken than the others so rather than try and fix it, I just gave it the boot in aid of finding the problems and fixing just one of them. I also reduced the bottom (blue) template's size from 100% to 45% so it looked a bit more organised just for my sake. --

04:37, 2 August 2010 (BST)

Moving back to your talk page, carrying on the explination from mine,... I'm in a similar boat. I can read it so so,... but editing it to make it work is something I've always enjoyed. My problem is when I tried to substitue the actuall coding to make it work instead of calling the second template in,... the whole thing breaks down like you see above. It appears that the second template is a must. But I don't want that if I don't have to have it,... I hate placing strain on the server unnecessarily. - Poodle of Doom 04:43, 2 August 2010 (BST)

FYI I removed it because I made it work,... but I'm still taking issue with the way I made it work. I've responded on my talk page explaining everything for you. - Poodle of Doom 04:33, 2 August 2010 (BST)

Alright. -- 04:37, 2 August 2010 (BST)

hate groups and speech.

i thought there was a policy against that sort of thing?----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 16:54, 2 August 2010 (BST)

It would be impossible to define. --VVV RPGMBCWS 20:14, 2 August 2010 (BST)
Cornhole had been found guilty on A/VB for using racism on admin pages once. As for group pages, not so much luck, as there's pretty much free reign. There's no shortage of precedence. Your best bet would to watch closely what he does outside of his group's page and hope that it gets through A/VB. -- Spiderzed 20:34, 2 August 2010 (BST)
The ToU is the closest thing we have to policy on the matter, and it's not even officially-adopted, though we do reference it when the situation warrants. Aichon 21:10, 2 August 2010 (BST)
Relevant to your interests? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:57, 2 August 2010 (BST)
Nope, but it might be to some of the earlier commenters. :P Aichon 23:14, 2 August 2010 (BST)
I was sorta aiming it at Harrison really. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:17, 2 August 2010 (BST)
If you mean my group, it isn't a hate group, it's a proper group. -- 02:08, 3 August 2010 (BST)
no i was talking about combat 18 and any other group that cornholio makes. if this was real life I would be able to kick his ass.

and mis i do agree with you to some point. but you have to draw the line somewhere. don't get me wrong i think hate speach has it's place.. like when it's funny.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 03:55, 4 August 2010 (BST)

The point is you can't draw an arbitrary line and not follow it uniformly. It's why I wanted hate speech codified as to whether it was A/VB-able or not. You can't say "you can't start a white supremacist group page on the wiki" but then let people call each other faggots, start groups like Columbine Kids, etc, etc. For example, this offends the Irish who were subjected to slavery and genocide at the hands of Cromwell just like this offends the Jewish people who suffered the same under Hitler. Find me a single complaint about the former. There are none, because we're not one of those knee-jerk reactionary sites that will ban anything that can be construed as offensive. That's just the generic censorship side of things, I haven't even begun to rant about the fact that what you're doing is being a fascist singling out a minority group of people to unfairly persecute without applying the same rules uniformly. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 04:05, 4 August 2010 (BST)
Nazis are people too. --VVV RPGMBCWS 04:09, 4 August 2010 (BST)
No what i'm doing is being an asshole. there is a difference.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 02:17, 24 August 2010 (BST)


Due to the help you have provided to us in the creation of our events page,... I'd like to extend to you the oppertunity to invite five groups of individuals. The invitation can be found here. - Poodle of Doom 01:15, 3 August 2010 (BST)

Thanks, and whilst I was surprised you are holding it under the banner of my event, I like it and I'll support it all I can. Unfortunately I won't be participating this time around as I'm pre-occupied with my group but I will be watching from afar :) -- 02:02, 3 August 2010 (BST)
As the invitation says,... regardless of participation, we still ask that you give out five invitations.... if it's possable. - Poodle of Doom 02:12, 3 August 2010 (BST)
Fantastic, I might try and bring back some of the Manhunt's best, or something. I'll read the competition when I get back from uni and see what the game will be like. Good luck with the hosting of the event! -- 02:41, 3 August 2010 (BST)
Thanks! - Poodle of Doom 02:45, 3 August 2010 (BST)


Hey Dance,

So you helped me out with signatures, Really greatful =D

Lil problem though, when I put my sig...

Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 12:07, 3 August 2010 (BST)

It has the timestamp weird...know how to fix that?

Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk)

Just took a shot at fixing it (via your sig page,) although it didn't work. From memory its to do with an extra space somewhere, which puts your timestamp in the code box. It might be to do with the sig box in preferences. Linkthewindow  Talk  12:10, 3 August 2010 (BST)
DW it's a common issue when making a new sig :( but some of the tags weren't there when they were needed, this makes the sig look dandy until you use it, in which it horribly breaks everything. here is the example, but I won't bog you down with any more talking, the point is: it's fixed for now. Have a good time on the wiki! -- 12:53, 3 August 2010 (BST)
Thank you very much =D --Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 13:02, 3 August 2010 (BST)

The expendables.

Already in discussion with bosch, soph, zipo, kempy and to a lesser sense fatale about this. But basically yes. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:10, 3 August 2010 (BST)

And off wiki support might be useful. Forum,irc etc. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:23, 3 August 2010 (BST)
Toss a link at me too, yo. It's not a manhunt without the horrible PKer, now. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 18:16, 3 August 2010 (BST)
Absolutely. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:46, 3 August 2010 (BST)
If this is about the group you're forming,... I'd happily host you guys on our forums... I'll give you your own section of the forums, and wouldn't have to worry about seeing any of our crap on there. - Poodle of Doom 22:29, 3 August 2010 (BST)
I think we all have spare forums. Thanks though. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:51, 3 August 2010 (BST)
You're welcome. I just thought I'd offer. - Poodle of Doom 22:55, 3 August 2010 (BST)

You're really trying to get that group going aren't you? I've never seen anyone get so excited over anything... It's cool though... I'm glad to see you're enjoying the concept.... - Poodle of Doom 00:31, 4 August 2010 (BST)

Yar, it should be really cool. Go Team Manhunt! -- 00:33, 4 August 2010 (BST)
It sounded like a really cool concept. Isn't this the first ever team based manhunt? I'm kind of surprised this hasn't been tried before. - Poodle of Doom 00:37, 4 August 2010 (BST)
Nup, we did one in 2008, ATO team won, booyah -- 01:16, 4 August 2010 (BST)
Is that group of yours still active? It wouldn't appear to be... cause if they were, I'd invite them to this one... - Poodle of Doom 01:51, 4 August 2010 (BST)
It was all comprised of IRL buddies that made up the BBK, so I could bring them back, but they wouldn't enjoy it, they would give it sub-par attention. Besides, the only ones from the ATO that were good at the manhunts I'd bring back into the Manhunt Allstars anyway =D -- 05:52, 4 August 2010 (BST)

Glad to be considering for this, and definitely want in. I think we'll have a seriously good chance too. Forum space and a chat, and we'll be set. Go Team! --BOSCH 01:50, 4 August 2010 (BST)

User:Rosslessness/Little Chris obvious really. Im going to PM you my thoughts. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:06, 5 August 2010 (BST)

You have shit luck. First Aichon rams your missus in the pooper (and given your admission of it, I can only assume you watched) and now this. You are supposed to be a man of responsibility. For shame.

Corn's hole.jpg "I've already stuck my finger in your ass, DanceDanceRevolution."

For shame. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 08:40, 4 August 2010 (BST)

Wtf? fuck this shit! -- 08:41, 4 August 2010 (BST)
YOU WERE WATCHING?! Aichon 09:04, 4 August 2010 (BST)
I lol'd everywhere. Well done. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 17:18, 17 August 2010 (BST)


Thought this might interest you. Aichon 20:47, 8 August 2010 (BST)

Very nice. Thanks. -- 22:33, 8 August 2010 (BST)


I believe you were one of the many people who've filed complaints about the crued look of our wiki page. What do you think now huh? Come on, give it to me!!! - Poodle of Doom 01:53, 9 August 2010 (BST)

Hmmmmm. I never actually remember complaining about the page, though I could have and forgot about it since I did think it was rather underdone. This, however, is very nice. Good work. -- 03:27, 9 August 2010 (BST)
Suggestions, if any? - Poodle of Doom 03:36, 9 August 2010 (BST)
It's all great, the only suggestion is on the groupbox, make the links a different colour as they contrast badly against the black background when they are the default blue. -- 03:40, 9 August 2010 (BST)
What color would you suggest? I know on a color wheel, black pairs with orange,... but orange makes it look gay... - Poodle of Doom 03:43, 9 August 2010 (BST)
Yeah don't use a gay colour. It can still be blue, that would pair well with the rest of the page but I'd suggest something lighter and less saturated, perhaps lightsteelblue or something. -- 03:50, 9 August 2010 (BST)
Previewed it. It won't work. Looks like shit. Try another one.... - Poodle of Doom 03:56, 9 August 2010 (BST)
#66CCCC. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 03:59, 9 August 2010 (BST)
Which is what color? I'm using Maroon now,... what do you think of that? Mis, while your here, would that be better on the gray? - Poodle of Doom 04:03, 9 August 2010 (BST)
Yeah, that works. You just need to remember that colours may, in general, work together, but as shades brighten or darken, they'll lose the contrast that makes them work and become harder to distinguish. For example, #0000CC and #CC0000 will work side by side no problem, but as you darken one, you need to lighten the other. Burgundy and navy don't mix well, but burgundy and teal should. Blah blah bloo painting bladdy blap colour theory jiggidy blah. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 04:12, 9 August 2010 (BST)
Cool,... - Poodle of Doom 04:19, 9 August 2010 (BST)
Maroon works, good job. -- 09:10, 9 August 2010 (BST)
Black isn't on the color wheel (nor is white). Blue is the complementary color for orange on the color wheel. Aichon 16:27, 9 August 2010 (BST)
Okay... - Poodle of Doom 18:56, 9 August 2010 (BST)
Just sayin'... Aichon 19:11, 9 August 2010 (BST)

What's that you were saying...

About too many bad resident evil groups?--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 12:01, 10 August 2010 (BST)

Also, holy shizz at the external wikipedia links on that page!--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 12:02, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Haha. I never said too many bad groups, as far as I'm concerned they are pretty good at what they do. just too many of them period though ;D -- 14:15, 10 August 2010 (BST)

Lulz, yet another rip-off. Maybe a rip-off of a rip-off, but still a rip-off as the guy who created this was yet another clown who was banned from the (un)original Umbrella Corp. Still following? --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 12:06, 10 August 2010 (BST)

I figured there may be some motivation behind it. -- 14:15, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Call it a rip-off all you want, but you do know that the exact reverse is true. The original Urban Dead Umbrella was never handed over after my ruling, so it died at the end of 2007 and is only now rising from the ashes. -Wesker 14:23, 10 August 2010 (BST)

While I'm here, take a look here plz. Thanks!--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 12:15, 10 August 2010 (BST)

That's fucking awesome, I dig. -- 14:15, 10 August 2010 (BST)

Experimental Template

Okay,... I may have a way to fix our little predicament, and help solve the problem for future groups, and would help make these sorts of issues easier in the future. Take a look: Template:Special. So, the general idea that I started with was to add the redirect to the EVIL page, and leave your blurb intact. Then I could add the disambiguation blurb on our front page, linking back to the EVIL page, unredirected,... and use that as the disambiguation page. That wouldn't work. The redirect over rides your text.

Step two was to make a template. You can see how I played around with it, and where I was going. I can get the redirect code to appear, and your text to stay on the page,... but this doesn't make the page redirect. Perhaps fresh eyes could take a look at it, and we could use something like this as a solution to our problem? - Poodle of Doom 03:54, 14 August 2010 (BST)

Possibly, I'm pretty sure it won't work though. I have to go for a few hours so I'll come back and see what other people have done to help -- 03:58, 14 August 2010 (BST)
Deal,... I read what you said about the amount of text on the page being a determining factor. I was coming to the same conclusion myself... anyway... I have something else I want to try first.... - Poodle of Doom 04:01, 14 August 2010 (BST)


Thanks for The awesome template. So far its a full suburb I've gotten done. Let's see if I can make it 2. Anyway thanks a lot!-- Jerrel tlk (82nd!) (Project Unwelcome!). 06:09, 14 August 2010 (BST)


Regarding that evil drama. In case you feel guilty or responsible for it, don't be. You gave him every chance to reach a different solution. Even offering to change your Evil Lemon thing, sacrificing your own group just to save his group is something few would have done, I probably wouldn't have, so yeah, kudos for that. In the end it's his (very) stupid mistake. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 11:07, 15 August 2010 (BST)

It's just fucking shocking I guess. If I'd known he could have reacted like that I would have kept 10 feet away from the whole thing. I thought, in the long run, since our groups had the name similarities, once we'd levelled up we could have had awesome roleplaying wars over who was the real EVIL, or stuff like that. The whole things fucked. -- 12:59, 15 August 2010 (BST)

Wiki Buildings Without Description


Was just wondering, (and did not know to who I should ask too) if I spot some wiki building pages like this one for instance Keeffe_Library. They have no description, no photos, nothing at all. Can I edit and create a building storyline? Put photos and give the building "life"? (Of course I'll do that for pure creative and RP. With no dramas and THATS MY PLACE DUDE THE "MY_NAME" TOWER!!11!)

In a nutshell, is it legal to create things for buildings with no desription and no "story"? --DiSm ~ T 17:59, 15 August 2010 (BST)

Yeah, anyone can do it. It's actually a good thing.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 18:12, 15 August 2010 (BST)
It's got a location stub template for a reason. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 18:44, 15 August 2010 (BST)
Oh okay really nice. Then I should try testing my literary skills :p --DiSm ~ T 20:21, 15 August 2010 (BST)
Yeah, go nuts! Adding a nice flavour or roleplaying context to buildings is encouraged. Add any fitting pictures if you'd like, too. -- 01:07, 16 August 2010 (BST)


one to cycle. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:00, 17 August 2010 (BST)

Perhaps it's best that you do this one- I find it so hard to cycle these when it's close and I have a conflict of interest due to my vote. -- 00:48, 18 August 2010 (BST)

EVIL Manhunt

Are you going to be running it? If not, I'll rebrand it as a Discosaurs manhunt and whip up a page ASAP.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 23:23, 17 August 2010 (BST)

You're free to do it, I'll be busy for a bit so it's probs best you guys host it fo now -- 00:47, 18 August 2010 (BST)
Everybody walk the dinosaur -- Emot-argh.gif 00:49, 18 August 2010 (BST)

A New Event

I could particularly use you help on organizing this new event I'm hosting. Discuss it on that page's talk page. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 16:19, 21 August 2010 (BST)

Dealt in lead

When you kill people, some of their items and money falls on the floor, and so you have to pick it up. :P If no money fell, they probably didn't have any.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 15:18, 22 August 2010 (BST)

Combat 18

Was that Cornhole?--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 13:02, 23 August 2010 (BST)

Yes. -- 13:03, 23 August 2010 (BST)
You know what that means right? Circumventing a ban means vandalism. Which means yet another month + permaban vote.--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 13:04, 23 August 2010 (BST)
Yes I know what that means. I'm in the process of doing this now. -- 13:08, 23 August 2010 (BST)
Sowwie, just checking if I got it right. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 13:09, 23 August 2010 (BST)
Any back up proof? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:10, 23 August 2010 (BST)
One word: Check User. -- 13:11, 23 August 2010 (BST)
Also this link--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 13:14, 23 August 2010 (BST)


...You're welcome.


--•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 15:25, 23 August 2010 (BST)

What about his welcome?--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 15:25, 23 August 2010 (BST)
Meh. Just figured I'd do the honors reviving him when my survivor alt was just laying right there after a revive. >< --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 15:29, 23 August 2010 (BST)
No, I meant that you used the wrong "you're".--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 15:31, 23 August 2010 (BST)
Oh boohoo. Can I help it if I just got up from what's pretty much the equivalent of a 45-minutes night sleep? Also, fixed for your viewing pleasure. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 15:36, 23 August 2010 (BST)
=P--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 15:43, 23 August 2010 (BST)
Pretty slick. I was about to slap the unsigned template on that one. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 15:44, 23 August 2010 (BST)
Thanks bro! -- 00:56, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Now come and FAK me in Club Shearly! No one in this damn town has a FAK! >< --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:04, 24 August 2010 (BST)

...Thank yew. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 04:47, 24 August 2010 (BST)


If I had a background that I wanted to place on a wiki page, with the general content of the page over the top of it, could I do something like that? Not what we have on the Infinity page now, but something behind that even. Is it possable? - Poodle of Doom 03:22, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Possible. Difficult, but possible. You'd need to set the background and place everything else over the top of it as a div table. It's the same principle at work in mine and DDR's sig, or on this page, for example. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 03:24, 24 August 2010 (BST)
yeah, or what VI had on his page one [1] -- 03:28, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Just slap the image in a <div>, set the div to have "position: absolute", and then make the content. So long as the content doesn't overflow the image, it should be easy. Aichon 03:33, 24 August 2010 (BST)

I'm going to say no to the first two, and say I could make it work on a website but not on a wiki to a third. I want a standard backgroud to the entire page, with what's there now overlaying over the top of that. The general background would be a full page type of thing. The first two examples are similar to what I already have, and wouldn't help me. The third choice offered still gives me a bit of an issue... A stationary image, not a background. - Poodle of Doom 03:54, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Poodle, the third way works fine, so long as the image is large enough (we can't tile images on the wiki, so backgrounds aren't actually possible). However, you coded it incorrectly when you did it. And if you had been less hostile and demanding towards everyone here, I'd be telling you what you did wrong. Aichon 23:53, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Kudos, Cookies, Free Beer, and Hotwings, to which ever one of you bitches can make it happen. Overlay whats on the page currently, over this image. - Poodle of Doom 04:05, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Not for me. Not only would it be in direct violation of "content outside of normal page area" policy, I don't think it's possible and if it were I wouldn't want to help achieve something so obnoxious. -- 04:35, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Well then,... go to hell,.. and it wouldn't be outside the normal posting area, it would just fill the remainder of the area.... it wouldn't be underneath the toolbar to the left or anything like that... - Poodle of Doom 04:41, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Actually I had a try at it and it would. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 04:44, 24 August 2010 (BST)
What I really Want,....png
Try harder, I think you can make it work. - Poodle of Doom 04:54, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Why don't you try harder, and stop expecting everything on this wiki handed to you on a plate. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 04:59, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Hey, you guys bitch when I don't make it look nice. Then when I get all fancy, I ask for help so I don't fuck it up, and you still bitch. What the fuck do you want from me? - Poodle of Doom 05:03, 24 August 2010 (BST)
I think they want you to try using a Sandbox. As for the coding stuff, I think you should just steal VI's codes... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 05:04, 24 August 2010 (BST)
You didn't ask, you pretty much demanded that others fix a page that, in all honesty, no one gives a fuck about, because between the tantrums and bye-then-hi 'bannings' and the general sense of you not really caring what bridges you burn, you're not exactly someone worth helping without a pressing reason. Ask someone who cares, and ask them nicely, and accept whatever answer you're given, and when you're doing that, don't do it on the talk page of someone you really don't get along with. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 05:06, 24 August 2010 (BST)
OH! I thought you meant including the sidebars and the links/tabs at the top! -- 05:49, 24 August 2010 (BST)
I'm gonna leave this here just in case PoD comes back and wants to give this another go... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 04:49, 25 August 2010 (BST)

Archive your God damn talk page

It's loading slower than your mum's ... something that she would do slowly after having sex with lots of dudes. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 05:07, 24 August 2010 (BST)

At least it doesn't break when reloading like Boxy's page. and your mother. whatever she would break when having sex with lots of men. her hip, yeah that's a good one! Hope yo mama's hip replacement goes well mofo -- 05:51, 24 August 2010 (BST)
It went swimmingly thank you. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 05:52, 24 August 2010 (BST)


If you thought this image was cool, you should wait to see the graffiti I'm planning for that Ultimate Metagamer's Championship. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 15:27, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Way too Evil

Friend of yours? Check his real name link (NSFW). I think that's more then enough to get him on a Text Rape list. Might wanna talk to him. I'm also scarred for life now :( --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 11:20, 25 August 2010 (BST)

Yeah, mate in EVIL. What do you mean by NSFW? I don't want to force him out of having his own crap on his profile, he's probably had it there as long as he's been playing, which is a while. I don't really mind tbh, his loss if he's anti-text-raped. lol. -- 11:29, 25 August 2010 (BST)
Not Safe For Work. Ring a bell? Did you follow the link? But okay, it's not like I'm going to report him, I don't really care but I know some people do and I thought I'd bring it up. Anyway, now I have accidentally bumped into you guys I'm deciding whether or not I send a surprise down there.--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 11:35, 25 August 2010 (BST)
Lol! Just so you know, we'll run away from any PKing attacks, we are all wimps atm. Yeah, I've seen lemonparty, it's pretty common, it's like meatspin or any shock website IMO, you're going to see it one way or another and the sooner you do the sooner you can identify the link as something you're never going to click again. Either way, thanks for the heads up, I'll pass the message onto him and see what he thinks. -- 11:37, 25 August 2010 (BST)


Since you archived the page.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 11:49, 25 August 2010 (BST)

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^^^ Evidence.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 11:50, 25 August 2010 (BST)
Doesn't count unless he empties it completely. Aichon 12:12, 25 August 2010 (BST)
It coutns for me... Also, I like where this Radioactive thing is going.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 12:19, 25 August 2010 (BST)
Don't mind me, just maintaining my page presence... ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 13:55, 25 August 2010 (BST)

I spy...

...a stalker not more than 30 seconds ago... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 14:34, 25 August 2010 (BST)

Great minds think alike! -- LEMON #1 14:35, 25 August 2010 (BST)
I'm completely not sure if you remember her, but Tselita was in that very same building. Also, my friend, Zensaga was in there as well... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 14:52, 25 August 2010 (BST)


Unless they go the "guilt by association" rule for GTF's fit,it should be done for sure. As for learning about it, you'd have learned about it at least as soon the first zerg hunter had PKed you. -- Spiderzed 15:38, 27 August 2010 (BST)

What is the guilt by association?? -- LEMON #1 17:13, 27 August 2010 (BST)
The powers that be generally don't like if appealers get abusive and foul-mouthed. (And I probably wouldn't like it as well, looking how they had and have to deal with the likes of Finis Valorum, Dead Bunnies and TZH.) It's some difference though if some lying scumbags like the Dead Bunnies throw out a barrage of insults while denying even basic facts, or if a single member out of several snaps slightly in a case that has been weak to begin with. -- Spiderzed 01:22, 28 August 2010 (BST)
Yeah fair. I hoped they would overlook that since we obvs aren't zerging and I just assumed the IP was important so I didn't force the words out of any of their mouths, I just let them say whatever. And it's a ZERG LIST they maintain, if they can't handle abuse from wrongly accused people then they shouldn't be there IMO. One more question: It appears that Guy's response was moved to another thread, is that right? And why? :/ -- LEMON #1 01:29, 28 August 2010 (BST)
The mods are running the ZL in their spare time and are basically providing a public service, at which 90% of all work _should_ already be done by Kevan (if the auto-measures were worth anything), so I grant them any right to refuse appeals on the base of "being something we don't wanna put up with". As for moving it, I have no idea if GTF's comment has been moved, and why. If it has any effect will be seen at least as soon as the next list update comes in. -- Spiderzed 01:42, 28 August 2010 (BST)
It buttfucks objectivity up the arsehole if they refuse 100% watertight appeals from a group who is absolutely not zerging if someone says the F word in them. Just saying. Thought we would have been 100% in the clear, ahh well. Thanks for everything. -- LEMON #1 02:09, 28 August 2010 (BST)
I told you so:
It's some difference though if some lying scumbags like the Dead Bunnies throw out a barrage of insults while denying even basic facts, or if a single member out of several snaps slightly in a case that has been weak to begin with.
For actual answers on that, you have to grab an actual operator (like TheHuntsman or MarcusCaesar). I'm just a lone zerg hunter and not involved with ZL maintenance. -- Spiderzed 02:17, 28 August 2010 (BST)
Yeah fair, soz. Again, thanks for the help through this. -- LEMON #1 03:42, 28 August 2010 (BST)
Essentially, if somebody takes pains to heap abuse the ZL Mods in their removal request then we take that as a clear indication that they do not in fact wish to be removed. (Otherwise they would abide by the removal rules, in which this situation is specifically called out.) It's like someone's face giving the lie to their words, but an online equivalent. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 04:59, 28 August 2010 (BST)
Yeah, fair enough. Thanks for the clarification Rev. -- LEMON #1 05:01, 28 August 2010 (BST)
I suppose I should really ask what the context is (in case there is something I should be doing)… but I kinda don't want to (in case there is something I should be doing). Shifty >_> <_< ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 09:51, 29 August 2010 (BST)
Oh, just in the zerg liste 9 thread my new group EVIL was submitted to be added because we all defended a break-in with very quick precision and execution. To make sure there was no chance of us being actually added, I got the suspected players to post on the appeals thread so their IP's could be logged. Out of the 5 of us that were considered, the last person to post chucked a shitty over us being added (he didn't realise we had only been submitted, not added) over something so trivial in his eyes. The post itself while embarrassing wasn't anything too over the top in itself, and since I have a lack of knowledge of the zerg liste methods so I'm pretty paranoid about being added, since it would create a massive dark cloud over our groups morale etc. -- LEMON #1 11:29, 29 August 2010 (BST)
Yeah, you should be fine, mate. Suspicion is not proof, and you've definitely done the right thing in your response. If I were you, I'd do as Mostly Harmless did and view it as a badge of honour. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 16:50, 30 August 2010 (BST)

The Wyke Hills/Wykewood confusion

You know, those can happen when you are updating a dozen EMRs alone. And the fact that there were two reports for Wyke Hills and one for Wykewood on that particular update didn't help either. And yet when you found it, you decided to point and laugh at it instead of fixing it. I wonder how that could help. -- Kittithaj 16:48, 28 August 2010 (BST)

People make mistakes. I make lots. Don't go all butthurt on me for it. -- LEMON #1 06:58, 29 August 2010 (BST)

Thought you'd like to know

It looks like your DanceDance arrows sig might be one of the ones causing issues for A/VB (the current month's archive isn't showing up on it since it has too much inclusion data), since it's a decent amount larger than the norm. This isn't a warning to fix it or anything of the sort, merely a friendly notification, since I figured you'd want to be aware of something like this. What you do with this info is your call. My best guess is that it's the images causing the issues, since the other big culprit was Mis' sig with the images in it. Aichon 06:45, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Yeah, I've noticed that in IE both your sig and Mis's sig are appearing vertically. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 06:56, 30 August 2010 (BST)
Ah, yeah, that's an unfortunate side affect of the code that they're using to get links over their images (it's my fault, since I wrote the code). IE7 and earlier doesn't understand the "display: inline-box" stuff, I believe, so it does a "display: box" equivalent instead, which means each image gets its own line. I haven't figured out a fix yet, though I'll readily admit I haven't been looking too hard since I'm not reminded of the issue during daily use (I use something other than IE, of course). IE8 is better (so long as Compatibility Mode is disabled), in that they don't use multiple lines, but the link aspect of the code simply doesn't work in IE8 (yet? Rooster was working on it as recently as yesterday or so). Aichon 07:04, 30 August 2010 (BST)
Thanks heaps for that info guys. I do like the arrows sig but I've always understood there'd most likely be some sort of unfixable problem with them, so I have no issue removing it and just redirecting it to my current lemon signature. is it just affecting the inclusion on the A/VB page? Or did the signatures in the archive itself also refuse to display? If the former was the only issue, I might wait till the month is over, revert the sig back to the arrows and just continue from there on with my current sig. -- LEMON #1 07:22, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Just a note on the arrows sig, you can use Template:ClickInternal for the images now. Good news is that it works (thank Aichon), bad news is that it's weighty so using it on several images is bad, mmmkay? Also you have to use it because I said so or I'll get all sig policy on your ass. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 07:16, 1 September 2010 (BST)

K cool thanks Rooster. -- LEMON #1 07:57, 1 September 2010 (BST)

recruitment ad

i appreciate the help in conforming my attempt at a recruitment ad. at least ya helped me with it instead of being a jerk about it. i need to brush up on my wiki. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nuerotoxic2213 (talkcontribs) 01:07, 1 September 2010.

That was actually me that fixed it up for you, though DDR was kinda enough to remove a stray character from the page that was making it look a bit off. Aichon 06:20, 1 September 2010 (BST)

sup biatch

whats teh lowdown on the game updates? bellow + that scout safehouse skill is that all?? also - scout safehouse, do the actions have to be completed in the safehouse? how the frack does the game measure that? Also there should be a link of the news page to a page that explains the updates in non-zombieapoc style. Ie outlines what we know of the actual changes. if that already exists; link me and make the link more obvious for others. sick1 xoxo 11:28, 2 September 2010 (BST)

Safehouses--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 12:07, 2 September 2010 (BST)
dunke!xoxo 15:20, 4 September 2010 (BST)


You realise that you just commented on the main page, not the talk page, right?--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 07:59, 6 September 2010 (BST)

Haha!!! I didn't even notice :( Thanks for the heads up! -- LEMON #1 08:11, 6 September 2010 (BST)
=P Don't worry about it, I thought it was a talk at first too. Probably because they brought the votes across from the talk.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 08:13, 6 September 2010 (BST)

hey papi

can you move this under the QSG name space? thanks?----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 14:46, 9 September 2010 (BST)

Yeboi -- LEMON #1 17:33, 9 September 2010 (BST)
and dis----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 16:39, 16 September 2010 (BST)
I was directed to a header halfway down the page so I figured you meant to move the whole thing, so I did. Also, I had a dream about you last night. Yeah, I dream about UD. And you. I was in your group but I kept getting killed by people. And now you're here. You're planting Inception, I know it! -- LEMON #1 22:29, 16 September 2010 (BST)
yeah i meant everything. i just want to get everything cleaned up and organized before i take my leave of UD. and getting killed by stupid people is just part of being in the QSG. FUCK HOW DID YOU FIGURE OUT MY PLAN? THE ARCHITECT IS STILL SLEEPING?----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 14:22, 17 September 2010 (BST)


Do I have all the skills I'm gonna need for the manhunt? What with Lurching Gait and Ankle grab, I think I'm about done now.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 17:40, 9 September 2010 (BST)

Vinetown scout approves of this. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:52, 9 September 2010 (BST)
They were skeptical! They said I couldn't level a Dinosaur based character before October! They were wrong! </smug> --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 18:59, 9 September 2010 (BST)
I hate to point this out but my discosaur gained all his XP from shooting people not zombies. No needles or FAK's either. Its not gonna be hard to get the remainder before October. -- Emot-argh.gif 19:32, 9 September 2010 (BST)
Hell yeah! We're gonna eat some humans!--The Big T 22:31, 9 September 2010 (BST)

Scroll boxes

Such as the one in your main sandpit. Can they be placed side by side? Or, for that matter, can anything be placed alongside them?--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 09:41, 10 September 2010 (BST)

I imagine if you confined each one to an (absolute?) div and specified the divs to go side by side like one would normally, it'd be possible, but you'd have to obviously smallen their set width. I haven't touched those scrollboxes in over a year pretty much and I originally got them from my ex-boyfriend op User:Linkthewindow, and you can see his speakbox is easily confined within simple tables so I don't think something you're mentioning is outside of reason. -- LEMON #1 10:03, 10 September 2010 (BST)
Yeah I already looked at Link's code. I'll have a crack at what you suggested now. Thanks!--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 10:05, 10 September 2010 (BST)
If you have troubles, come back sometime and hit me up, back then I knew so little about DIV overlays mine was practically just a steal of Links. Between us and Aichon I'd be very surprised if we couldn't make what you want to work. -- LEMON #1 10:06, 10 September 2010 (BST)
Yeah, I just went to have a look, and I realised I don't actually know how to put divs side by side. I'm working up a trial at my stub page, but I've pretty much hit a brick wall. If you could help get those side by side, I'd be very appreciative. :P --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 10:10, 10 September 2010 (BST)
I'll be able to, but semi finals footy is on so I'll come back in an hour and a half to have a squiz. Wouldn't be surprised if either you or aichon did it that time. In the meantime, look at the divs for the INFO and TALK div boxes for Every Villain Is Lemons which I also stole from BB3 page if I remember right. Play around with the positions and notice how one is relative to the other, that might help. -- LEMON #1 10:42, 10 September 2010 (BST)
Just sorted it. Thanks loads!--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 10:51, 10 September 2010 (BST)

Just checking

To make sure you saw this since I never heard confirmation that you'd seen it. It does fix the issue of centering the image, but it comes at the cost of having hidden text on the page. I offered some more explanation on my talk page a few days back. Aichon 21:25, 10 September 2010 (BST)

wiki noob needs a mentor

Hi. I'm new to wiki editing and only know the most basic of stuff. I've wanted to learn for a while so when I found Project Mentor I figured I'd give you a shout. HAAAAAAAAAAAALP! I suck at this. Thanks Skynet Defense Network 16:18, 12 September 2010 (BST)

I could help if DDR isn't available. Or anyone else for that matter. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 16:19, 12 September 2010 (BST)
i'll do it! xoxo 12:35, 13 September 2010 (BST)


Hello, Mr. Revolution. I cordially come to you to ask you a simple question regarding your edits to our screenshots. Why do you insinuate we zerg? Is it because we have screen captures of our own events? If that is the case, it can easily be explained. We do have members just waiting to record our... successes. --Dracula 06:31, 14 September 2010 (BST)

Nup. It's just cause when I have a hundred or so images/pages to categorise in one sitting I just put funny edit summaries down. I'm deprived of fun or amusement in this "hobby" nowadays and want a reaction. No fault to you for enquiring either, zerging is a bad allegation and one I had to go through much stress to stomp down of my group from some butthurt zombie on the Zerg Liste forums. As for the origination of the call? I heard lots of things from Umbrella's wenches about you guys. -- LEMON #1 09:14, 14 September 2010 (BST)
Ah, I see. Good to know it's not personal. Haha, now that you mention Umbrella, they love to throw the zerging accusations around when they're defeated/owned. They love to spread lies. Seems like they have members that partake in zerging, but I'm not going to worry about that. Just killing them. I'm grateful for the fast reply. --Dracula 11:31, 14 September 2010 (BST)
No probs, and it's great to see you didn't take it personally straight off the bat- respect. I was just being immature. Have a good one. -- LEMON #1 11:36, 14 September 2010 (BST)

Passing Through

Just thought to stop by and say hello. And ask an unsolicited personal question.

On a serious note, DDR, I think you've gotten far, Cyberbobish. Grimish. Less tolerant. Looking at a random sampling of your edits, you seem a lot more prone to assuming general incompetence of the people you talk to, as compared to a year+ ago. Yes, people change, hell Grim was nice once...a long time ago, in a wiki far, far, away, true. My comment about jadedness was meant as a mild tweak at best, but your response I took to be far more virulent then I was honestly expecting.

I am not your friend, so I realise this is presumptive, but I would appreciate an answer. I do think you do good work and have a pretty good record as an admin, but my memory of your seeming wiki persona a year ago is at serious odds with your present one. Has adminship caused this, or just overexposure to general asshattery and the grind of the wiki? -Wulfenbach 06:56, 15 September 2010 (BST)

No prob. I think it's a mixture of things. The main one is my current lifestyle IRL, I'm having much less time I can call my own and I'm constantly strung out and burned out from work and university and I think my willingness to spend my small amount of time arguing on UDWiki is waning. I still like to come around because I'm still playing the game with IRL friends, but I no longer bother pretending that if UDWiki was a real life establishment it'd be one I'd attend in a suit and tie. My focus is on fixing up the place as a resource for players, and to stop vandalism and help users interested in coding or events. Beyond that I've been really intolerant towards extraneous arguing even if it's within these realms of my interests. You're right, I've become a lot more retarded of late, but it's a personal problem, not actually an in-wiki problem I think. I also got burned out from my reign as a bureaucrat in early 2010 and that's when I decided the wiki was something I could no longer spend hours a day on. Also, when I was a sysop a year ago there was a reason to take this place and my position seriously from a managerial point of view because between the inept ops, the inactive ones and the dickheads it was a fight to have this place running properly. At one point, for a month, Cyberbob and I were the only ops managing A/VB or any other admin pages. Now, we are (imo) a much better team and all of them have a great presence and work hard for the members, so the need to go over the top with rhetoric and arguing isn't as imperative now, especially since the wiki has been so drama free in the last month or so.
From the sysop side I still follow protocol and respect the rules in place and I don't want to leave UDWiki, op or otherwise. In the end though, any real behavioural issues on UDWiki just culminated from IRL circumstances and hopefully it's just a phase. -- LEMON #1 07:36, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Well, here's to your recovery then. I had the luxury of a forced departure (twice now) of RL more or less demanding my absolute presence, so I suppose that's why I can still come back here and want to be productive without necessarily Grimish (I think you know what I mean by that).
You know, a while ago...a long time ago, when I was actually actively helping out here and really trying to be a better wiki-person, I gave thought to app'ing for sysop. I looked at the existing crew, looked at their postings as early as I could go back and compared them to their then-present ones. I realized that the difference mimic'd the difference I see in the LARP community among organizers. Namely: LARPer -> Organizer -> Eager -> Helpful -> HELPFUL -> Wise -> Opinionated -> Protective -> Vindictive -> Jaded -> Ex-LARPer. Since I had just reached the jaded phase with that, I figured that going back over that path with UD would mean that I wouldn't ever want to come back. Which would be sad, I think, since I do like the RRF's people. They tend, IMO, to be pretty fun and enjoyable as a web-group, and to walk away from UD would have to have me leaving them permanently. So I didn't app, which in hindsight, was for the best.
Have you thought about pulling away, yourself, now that the team is in your opinion, stable? Taking a six month break from UD to get RL sorted, maybe? -Wulfenbach 07:51, 15 September 2010 (BST)
I tried, I still found myself coming back daily for bugging the sysops for the small jobs I didn't think they did right, plus I was still spending just as much time here anyway so I was put back up to be sysop. I think behaviour like that indicates that I still wanted to be around the place, and now I'm more involved in the actual game than I have been in two years, so it's a weird situation at the moment for me to be in. Since I'm still convinced it's a phase, I'm just going to linger around doing the chores and helping out and being a bug to guys like you before something breaks on the wiki's side or mine ;D -- LEMON #1 08:01, 15 September 2010 (BST)
See, that's the real infection here. It's not Necrotech fuckupery, it's this damn game. We need to find Kevan and get trenchie on this ass. Headshot RL for me, will he? >:D -Wulfenbach 09:31, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Lol! I still bitterly hate how he created an entire universe inside a wiki for me to be so heavily enthralled :( -- LEMON #1 12:38, 15 September 2010 (BST)

User page rights

Right, on my user and talk pages, the use of the click template (The one in Mis' sig and your old one) essentially destroys the page by making a massive white space at the bottom of the page. Do I therefore have the right to replace people's signatures with the {{usr}} template? I wanted to have a check before I did anything.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:26, 15 September 2010 (BST)

It technically is your own page. You could edit whatever you see fit. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 18:28, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Its your page, as long as you don't alter what they have said, and make it clear they said it, I don't see a problem. I'd probably add a note explaining why though. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:28, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Alright, sounds like a plan. It's just with the recent change to my archive page, it's a little bit essential.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:34, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Also, it should be noted that neither of those sigs actually uses that template, but I would imagine that template would have the same issue anyway. Aichon 18:35, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Its fine. -- LEMON #1 23:28, 15 September 2010 (BST)

I'm Interested in becoming a Sysop

Hey Dance,

We've spoken once or twice on here, and I saw that you are one so i thought it best to ask you. I rather like contributing and helping out on here, and I think I'd like to become a Sysop. I haven't quite been here 2 months, and only have 420 contribs, so not sure I can apply yet...

Anyway, whats involved? Any tips? Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 15:23, 16 September 2010 (BST)

Trust me when I say this, I've went through your contribs. What you have so far is not enough to warrant a good SysOps bid. If you really, really want to be a SysOps, start by sulking around the Admin pages more often, cycling news archives and suggestions, etc. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 15:33, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Read this.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:52, 16 September 2010 (BST)
We always love having interested users in becoming a Sysop, but first they need to understand the system in which they work. This includes the administration pages like Move Requests, Deletions, Speedy Deletions, and others like Vandal Banning. You have to understand the job you're asking for and we need to be convinced that you do. Besides that, it's always recommended that you know the community well and integrate well with their projects and tasks that try and make the wiki a better information resource. I'm not sure if Yonnua's link to previous advice is specifically the best thing for you to read literally because it's what he may do, but you need to be able to do your own thing on the wiki and still be able to help out in your own ways and with your own opinions. But the intention is the same- you need to exhibit your (obviously) keen interest in the community by involving yourself more in many of the wiki's facets. -- LEMON #1 03:35, 17 September 2010 (BST)
Tip #1, and I don't mean this with any discourtesy or rudeness (really, I honestly don't), but research the answers yourself, rather than asking questions like "what's involved" to become a sysop (the answer is posted on A/PM). Asking questions like that is an immediate signal to all of us that you don't understand the system well enough...yet. Eager folks like you can and do learn the system eventually by reading through the policies, admin pages, and archives, so that shouldn't be a discouragement to you in the least. But sysops are expected (though it's not part of the official job description) to be decently knowledgeable about the way the wiki works, and that means understanding both the bureaucracy and some of the technical stuff better than the average user.
As for other advice, I'd agree with Yonn's suggestion to look for a project. There are always things that need cleaning up around here and discussions to be had where opinions are solicited (e.g. there's talk of an RP List redesign on General Discussion right now, I've been working (very slowly) on rethinking the Suggestions system, there are always ideas on Developing Suggestions in need of thoughtful advice, Ross is working (also slowly) on redesigning the Zombie Skills pages, etc.). Getting involved on the admin pages, especially by expressing your opinion in the proper places (always be sure to do it in the proper places, since doing it in the wrong place is once again a signal to us that you don't yet understand how things work) is also a great way to let us get a feel for how you think and form opinions, which you'll be expected to do regularly as a sysop. Aichon 04:26, 17 September 2010 (BST)
I Thank you all immensely for your help in this matter. I had read through the [A/PM] page, the main thing was that it wasn't quite clear where you apply to, but reading what you guys have written, I'm not quite ready just yet.
As for a project, I wasn't quite sure what somebody who is not a sysop is permitted to do. I've noticed in a few subburbs, the "Suburb Group Listing" and "Active Groups" are very different. South Blythville, for example, has 3 groups in "Suburb Group Listing" and 12 in "Active groups". If I'm allowed to, I would like to follow up with the groups, and remove those inactive off the Active groups. I know similar has been done for Suburb Group listing. Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 13:54, 17 September 2010 (BST)

Want to run a contest for the Urban Dead Wiki

i was wondering if i could run a contest on the Urban Dead Wiki. most notably a contest of art. i am look to put an advert for my in-game group on the UD page, via spending ten bucks. i was wondering if i could have a contest to who can come up with the best artwork for said advert. notably a prize of me spending the extra 5 bucks to make that persons in-game character immune to the IP limit seems sufficient enough. what do you think —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nuerotoxic2213 (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.

Sounds good. Just make a page for it and add it onto the Community Announcements page here, so it appears on the main page. From there you will get enough attention to hopefully have the comp succeed. -- LEMON #1 03:28, 17 September 2010 (BST)

i haven't had much of a response yet. is there anything(or anyone) i could contact, or you could contact to maybe spur this thing a bit lol. i don't actually know any of the artists that would patrol this forum Nuerotoxic2213 16:02, 19 September 2010 (BST)

I would suggest making the event page look eye-catching instead of it just being a wall of text. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 00:57, 23 September 2010 (BST)

Days in Urban Dead

Aww man, I'd have liked to see a new one. This isn't because we have gaps is it? Because I can envisage some sort of crazy bot (always the best kind, the crazy sort) that could fill in the gaps. Unless you meant something else?

I want a video dammit! -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 18:00, 18 September 2010 (BST)

^This--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:42, 18 September 2010 (BST)
Mate, if you could do that, then making one more video would really be within my grasp. I have a few harrowing problems that have also come up, the biggest being that it's 80% likely that I don't even have the original 220 images anymore anymore, so I'll have to do my best to trawl through old backups to see if I still have them. Between searching for the backups and the old .avi versions I have I should be able to get a working version of the original 200 days to use. Once I've done that, I'll hit you up and see if you can make a crazy bot to help me get them images. Thanks man. -- LEMON #1 02:30, 19 September 2010 (BST)
Alright, I've lost all the 220 original images and I dont have the original video but I've managed to nab the Youtube FLV that is embedded onto the video page, I should be able to make a more or less functional replacement from that. As for your crazy bot, if you're still keen, we'll need images from April 28th 2008 to whenever you see fit. See, after 200 days I didn't do ANY screencapping so I don't have any single screenshots at all from April 2008. How do you envision the bot will operate? Do you think it's possible when this many screenshots are needed? -- LEMON #1 06:20, 19 September 2010 (BST)
Well I left the bot running today and let it slowly load each revision page, so I've got the info now. Seeing as we need like 700 images, I'll see if I can just have it fake an image that looks like a dangermap so we don't have to take screencaps from the wiki ourselves. I'll post an example if I get it to work. Also, the last purge only seems to have left us with stuff from about September 08, so... yeah. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 17:45, 19 September 2010 (BST)
Horrific time dealing with fonts. Anyway: yesterday's map. The original has nicer anti-aliased text but it's so huge on filesize I'll stick with the plainer one. I'll get around to automating the others at some point. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 11:04, 20 September 2010 (BST)
That should be more than adequate, looks great and shouldn't look any different from the original 200 days. I've thought about the 6 month gap in images we'll have lost by the time this is through, what are your thoughts? Should I start from my old 2007 archive and go straight through to today? Or should we just start straight from Sep 2008 where your collection starts? Advantages of having them both is that that 200 day period had a lot of rich history displayed and there was a fairly significant lack of events for a year and a bit from mid-2008 too. Cons include the fact it's been seen before anyway, and it'd be hard to incorporate them into one another with a 6 month gap. Leaning towards the latter, thoughts? -- LEMON #1 11:23, 20 September 2010 (BST)
I think I'd go for a separate video given the gap. Shame really, because if you combine the wayback machine, manual coverage and current revisions, that gap is pretty much the only big gap is the history. Man if only we had those old revisions. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 11:45, 20 September 2010 (BST)
Yeah. Actually, Suburb/History does have about 20 or so. It covers the process hideously sporadically but if sped up it probably won't look that bad. But I'll see which route should ultimately be taken by trial and error once I get a few images together. -- LEMON #1 12:59, 20 September 2010 (BST)
Well the bots working on it right now, uploading as fast as pngout can compress the things down to size. Once it's done I can zip up the whole set and e-mail them if you like, less hassle than using the wiki for each and every one. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 13:17, 20 September 2010 (BST)
And now would be a bad time to realise that there's a template called "MapDanger" which means all the old "MapVeryDanger" have been mapped wrongly. Fuuuuu - at least the more recent stuff works since the system isn't retarded anymore. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 13:24, 20 September 2010 (BST)
Fuck. Surely no one would mind us recreating it ;D. As for the emailing option, sounds much better than doing ti via wiki. I'll email you just now so you can grab my email without me later having to go through the future hassle of eradicating my email from google search indexes. -- LEMON #1 13:26, 20 September 2010 (BST)
Actually, simple redirection to the new ones could suffice... right? -- LEMON #1 13:27, 20 September 2010 (BST)
Oh no, it's my fault, not the wiki's :P. Anytime a "VeryDanger" was the status in a revision it got recorded as orange not red because I didn't know of the clash. It resulted in some very orange maps as you can tell. I'll have to rebuild the revision history so that'll take the better part of a day. Gives me a chance to poke around the old templates though, that's good fun. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 13:43, 20 September 2010 (BST)
No worries. -- LEMON #1 13:58, 20 September 2010 (BST)

E-mail sent. Expecting great things...great things. Actually, just a video without the crappy film grain would rock.

Also, Hilter Joins Escape - Ahahahaha, awesome. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 06:50, 22 September 2010 (BST)

Omg I know, classic. Anyways, now begins the task of putting them all into an animation. While I'm here, check out how Vegas makes the images appear when they are crushed together:
It's 2 year UD Map art! -- LEMON #1 08:04, 22 September 2010 (BST)
That's cool, that gives me an idea, a graph showing the total amount of each danger level over time. Hey you could even roll it onto the relative graph on SZI. ...I need to update that graph too! -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 08:08, 22 September 2010 (BST)

Can I run a small scale Suburb Massacre?

Hey there,

So I'm asking you, because I'm not sure whether I'd be allowed to or not, and I also get the impression certain other sysops don't like me...

I'm thinking of running a small scale Suburb Massacre, of a 1 suburb radius around South Blythville, covering "Suburb Group Listing" and "Active Groups" (In suburbs that have that further down in their page)

Can I do it? Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 01:56, 19 September 2010 (BST)

Yes, I recommend it. Those pages that have second group listings further down the page on suburb pages are REALLY out of date and should be cleaned up. You really know what you should do though? Make it a project for the entirety of Malton and see if anyone is willing to help, and IN the project you can just organise and focus on the subrubs you care about but others can do the rest. That way you fix all of malton. That's just a thought, but you are free to do whatever you want from here when it comes to cleaning up suburb pages. -- LEMON #1 02:16, 19 September 2010 (BST)
If you would like to help out? The_Great_Suburb_Group_Massacre/2010-Round_2 Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 07:03, 19 September 2010 (BST)

Photo Upload

Hello DDR! Just wanted to know I saw you changing some pages on maps I uploaded. What do I miss when uploading? Where should I put categorising? --DiSm ~ T 09:57, 19 September 2010 (BST)

Hey- A summary of what to do and how to do it is here. Basically, we just have a few categories we use to file all our images under. You'll have already been familiar with Category:Maps and Category:Screenshots as that is what I categorised some of your images as. To do this, just add [[Category:XXXXXXX]] anywhere on the image description.
You don't need to do categorise as you upload- practically no one does, that's why I tend to do it. But if you do it saves us the trouble of doing it later. You're free to choose whether you want to do it or not in the long run, I won't mind either way. -- LEMON #1 11:48, 19 September 2010 (BST)
Give it a go, then ask DDR if you did it right. He knows the system better than most of us, plus I still get flashbacks from the 9000+ images I sorted. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:54, 19 September 2010 (BST)


hey whats the deal with your antixx on good pages? some people voted in a manner you didn't like? L2puppet or gtfo. i'll let you explain and revert until i next drop by then i'll avb and let the ops be bullied into letting you get away with it. xoxo 10:13, 20 September 2010 (BST)

fair enough I guess. I'm simply keeping a consistent high standard filter over the voting procedure that Cheese and later I attempted to keep going since the beginning- if RHO is misinformed enough to accidentally cycle it as successful and it's rightfully reverted, that ain't my fault. -- LEMON #1 10:27, 20 September 2010 (BST)

Make mycock a ga and i'll pull some strings to get you into 2CFC.. xoxo 02:34, 21 September 2010 (BST)

But.... [2] -- LEMON #1 02:38, 21 September 2010 (BST)

Ghost Pages...WTF?

What do i do about: 7th_Fallschirmjäger_Div, Fantôme_Tequila_De_Serpents, St D’s Bar & Grill and La_Révolution? Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 14:18, 22 September 2010 (BST)

Nothing. They're unrecognisable because of errors in the wiki's code. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:20, 22 September 2010 (BST)
Bring in Max Von Sydow and see what he can do. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 15:16, 22 September 2010 (BST)
I see dead people @_@ --DiSm ~ T 19:11, 22 September 2010 (BST)
Haha! Yeah, they are weird, huh? They are remnants of pages that have since been deleted, the wiki glitched them up and now they always appear as uncategorised and stuff. There's more documentation on their pages. -- LEMON #1 23:28, 22 September 2010 (BST)

Chick Chick BOOM!

Yeah, uh huh, Thats right, Special:Uncategorizedimages and Special:Uncategorizedpages are cleared (except the Ghost stuff)

For Future reference, using User:Dezonus/Storage as a Copy and paste reference saves lots of time. You're welcome to use it, and welcome to add to it ;) Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 10:00, 23 September 2010 (BST)

Nice idea. I know the wiki pretty well, so I won't need to use it, but I'll surely add to it when I find more examples of categories you may need to use. -- LEMON #1 11:36, 23 September 2010 (BST)
Clare Weberdoff or whatever her fucking name was. xoxo 13:22, 23 September 2010 (BST)


i cbf with arbies/whatever over the whole good articles thing. But i hope someone with more energy for this old place picks up the crusade because that system is absolutely fucked! xoxo 13:22, 23 September 2010 (BST)

Just so you know (because I cbf holding such lolarious evidence till an arbies case which won't happen) you kicked up the exact same stink when someone put ALIM up for GA and it was bombed for the exact same reason under the exact same circumstances, you kicked up the exact same stink and cheese gave the exact same answer as i did when this recent thing happened. the only difference was red yesman one wasn't there to cycle it as successful before cheese shat on it. You accepted it without much of a whinge and it was cycled easily. There's also a tonne (ie 90% of cases) where they are cycled as per this precedent, and also many precedents where I noted a conflict of interest between my own vote and my duties at hand and got a neutral party to cycle the proposal for me rather than "vendetta" it myself. It's just the way shit is bro. -- LEMON #1 13:36, 23 September 2010 (BST)
lol thats funny (cbf finding sincey ou didnt link me >: so i'll just assume its true) although iirc (which i probably dont) the difference was i nominated ALiM. I guess this would have passed with ZERO imput from me which made it seem all the more vendettay. THe system is stupid, you more or less admitted it and "its just the way shit is bro" is hardly a great stance to have, espeically about a system that was made up last year. Like i said, ithink its bullshit but don't much care anymore, sighhh i wish i still did. this place was/is an epic timewaster. xoxo 11:41, 3 October 2010 (BST)

Dezonus deems you Awesome.

Thats right, you're ranked No.1 Dezonus' List of Awesome Users. Click here to check it out =) Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 03:14, 25 September 2010 (BST)

What? He's more awesome than me? The number one most linked to user? Damn, I must not be working hard enough. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 03:19, 25 September 2010 (BST)
Maybe you're working too hard. :P Aichon 00:24, 26 September 2010 (BST)
no i think you both need to get a life.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 02:49, 26 September 2010 (BST)

Red October update

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Fair enough, good call too IMO. -- LEMON #1 00:45, 27 September 2010 (BST)


Still in it to win it Sir. Soph & I are heading back to the playfield right now in fact and all going to plan, should be there tomorrow, Thursday at the latest. I'll go set up a wee area on the DSS forum just for us All Star celebs to brag up our tactics. Maybe you could use your Wiki Jedi skillz to find out who all our competition are, so we can add to contacts? ~ Kempy 

“YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD |

08:42, 28 September 2010 (BST)

Aaaaaabsolutely! You've got me all excited now! Lets do this! -- LEMON #1 08:46, 28 September 2010 (BST)
Forums all set. Go check if you can view it eh? I've not tinkered with this much, more Soph & Zipos domain, so i hope I haven't broke it. ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 09:08, 28 September 2010 (BST)
DOOOOOOOD!!! Get your arse over to the DSS forum to confirm you can see our sekrit hideout. Tongue.gif ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 13:51, 30 September 2010 (BST)
OMG THIS SHIT IS AWESOEM -- LEMON #1 15:38, 30 September 2010 (BST)
Yah. How can we possibly not win? Cig.gif ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 16:03, 30 September 2010 (BST)

I love your face.

And you know it.x --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:35, 29 September 2010 (BST)

my face da best <3 -- LEMON #1 13:35, 29 September 2010 (BST)

Is there normally more to Categorize?

Hey Dance,

Listen, I'm just wondering, is there usually more pages and images to categorize than this? Like, when you gave the job to me, I got the impression that I wouldn't be able to keep up, but now it seems more like the posters can't keep up with me...? Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 10:22, 2 October 2010 (BST)

Nah, usually that's about it. When you started there was like a months worth of uncategorised images, so the workload was hard at first but nowadays it's more just a 10-minutes-a-day thing. -- LEMON #1 01:40, 3 October 2010 (BST)

I came up with an Idea, but need your input

I thought it would be cool if we had a wiki User of the Month Competition. Now, this would probably have to be run by Sysops, so, I'm Asking for your input here. And dont worry, I've asked the other Sysops too.

Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 14:55, 2 October 2010 (BST)

If it influences your decision any...

...You're the giver. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 02:31, 5 October 2010 (BST)


Want a Rage Revive? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:00, 6 October 2010 (BST)

Really tempted to run to the RP where you presumably are and kill DDR before he revs you, but I don't think I have the AP.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:01, 6 October 2010 (BST)
Im alive. DDR is zombie. Why you not know that? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:43, 6 October 2010 (BST)
Other wat around is what I meant. ;P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:45, 6 October 2010 (BST)
BTW, that RP you were using was terrible. I saw no one revived in a day there. (apart from all-stars who handle their own revives.) --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:50, 6 October 2010 (BST)
Where, the cemetary? I left there because it was rubbish and Discosaurs are using a new one now.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:09, 6 October 2010 (BST)
Yeah. If it gets really bad let us know, and we'll revive you all. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:17, 6 October 2010 (BST)
Hmmm... Should I take a vacation and offer up my services? ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 19:07, 6 October 2010 (BST)
IRC? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:48, 7 October 2010 (BST)

So how am I doing?

Hey DDR,

I've taken to the Orphanage as well as uncategorized images and pages...just wondering how you think i'm going? Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 00:07, 11 October 2010 (BST)

You're definitely getting better, but you're still making messies like voting on A/VB cases which everyone knows you can't do unless you're an op. It's all well and good to try and become op-worthy ASAP but you might need to sample the wiki for more time rather than effort before you become a model user. Remember, there's no hurry mate. -- LEMON #1 00:41, 11 October 2010 (BST)

Is this too Gory?

I just started categorizing, and came across Image:Death by zombies urban dead.jpg, which I Can't look at due to the graphic nature of the image. I don't know if theres any policies for such images? Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 12:04, 13 October 2010 (BST)

Nup. Nothing really wrong with that image. This is a wiki for a zombie game after all... -- LEMON #1 12:13, 13 October 2010 (BST)
There are zero policies for gore and any attempt to create one will meet with my sternly-worded disapproval. This is not a child-friendly genre. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 15:13, 13 October 2010 (BST)
There's also about three separate versions of the same image on the wiki. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:57, 13 October 2010 (BST)


You online? Your phone just beepd. --Sophie ◆◆◆ CAPD 09:18, 14 October 2010 (BST)

Gah, thanks. Replied. -- LEMON #1 09:38, 14 October 2010 (BST)
10-4 :D --Sophie ◆◆◆ CAPD 09:41, 14 October 2010 (BST)

BEEP! --Sophie ◆◆◆ CAPD 00:55, 17 October 2010 (BST)

missed him :( -- LEMON #1 01:01, 17 October 2010 (BST)


This is why I hat promotions being run concurrently. Technically your vote on Thad means if you become crat, his bid will be automatically vetoed, which by extension might mean people were more or less likely to vote you into the position. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:19, 14 October 2010 (BST)

That's not true, Iscariot might have thought it that way but as a crat I'm expected to act in accordance with community opinion, not specifically my own. That's how I did it when I was crat in the past anyway (I think the same thing happened with my vote on Misanthropy). -- LEMON #1 13:28, 14 October 2010 (BST)
:( ? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 15:04, 14 October 2010 (BST)
And besides, I would find it less decent of me to assume I'm going to become crat (which isn't certain) and veto my right to vote under that assumption -- LEMON #1 13:35, 14 October 2010 (BST)
Meh. In three days you would of known and could of voted on the promotion bid (or not) based on the outcome. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:07, 14 October 2010 (BST)
I'm blaming Mis now he's done it as well. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:40, 14 October 2010 (BST)
Removes the whole "people might not vote in A/BP" thing now though. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 15:50, 14 October 2010 (BST)
True. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:55, 14 October 2010 (BST)
*puppets -- LEMON #1 00:39, 15 October 2010 (BST)
Hmm, looks like I can't talk now, as it seems someone may have been doing a bit of puppeting on mine :/ -- LEMON #1 13:45, 16 October 2010 (BST)
No idea who though, considering neither of them share any links that I can see.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:46, 16 October 2010 (BST)
Wow. For real though, I have no fucking idea who is meatpuppeting me. -- LEMON #1 22:02, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Discosaurs Forum

Sign up and the fun can begin. :D --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:59, 17 October 2010 (BST)

I dig. I'm going to make a new cooler account for it based off a Jamiroquai Dinosaur hybrid. Are we still going to be going PKer? -- LEMON #1 23:04, 17 October 2010 (BST)
Ooooooh yes. :) --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:05, 17 October 2010 (BST)


The best man definitely won DDR! Congrats on your much overdue promotion. Don't go quitting again, now!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:13, 18 October 2010 (BST)

Hmmm. Hopefully I won't, thanks, -- LEMON #1 00:11, 19 October 2010 (BST)
Feels a bit crap that it came down to huge meatpuppeting wars, especially since I doubt we'll ever find out who was mass voting me. -- LEMON #1 00:13, 19 October 2010 (BST)
NAZIS!!----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 13:45, 19 October 2010 (BST)

RO Reeving

Hey DDR. Thanks for signing up again as a reeve. Sorry for the confusion. I thought you had changed your mind and were joining one of the teams. Anyhow, let me know when you're in place on the playing field. I'd like to have options available to players when it comes to requesting revives. I will likely have an alt nearby that can also handle some revives. Thanks again. --~Vsig.png 00:53, 19 October 2010 (BST)

lift the protection on combat 18

pretty please? i'm bored. and you got to post there.... fag.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 13:45, 19 October 2010 (BST)

Also, when the page gets protected you should leave whatever comments were there at the time to preserve the history and flavor of the talk page at the time.  ;) --GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 13:50, 19 October 2010 (BST)
Lol. I'll throw it through A/PT since the threat of alt accounts seems to have gone. -- LEMON #1 14:03, 19 October 2010 (BST)
And holy shit at me adding that to the protected page, I meant to add it to the NSU page :| -- LEMON #1 14:07, 19 October 2010 (BST)

It's been unprotected boys, dig in! -- LEMON #1 14:39, 19 October 2010 (BST)


Stop hand.png

Please do not edit protected pages without due reason. Misusing your powers again may result in further warnings or demotion.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 14:29, 23 October 2010 (BST)

Categorizing, and no idea where to put some pages...

Spicer Hills Business and Industrial Park and Where in Malton is Bob Boberton? Have me completely confused...ideas? Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 00:22, 24 October 2010 (BST)

Misanthropy got the latter and correctly so, it's a small event and could eitehr go into Category:Events or, more suitably, Category:Minigames. The first one is probably best just suited to Category:Spicer Hills IMO. -- LEMON #1 05:17, 24 October 2010 (BST)

MY IP Banning

Doesn't seem to be working. Any idea why? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:07, 26 October 2010 (BST)

I tried, and it said that """ is already blocked". Also, in the Special:Blockip display of the block log it showed "" not "User:", so I'm a little lost right now. -- LEMON #1 10:34, 26 October 2010 (BST)
Furthermore, I was going to give the user benefit of the doubt since the MO was slightly different than Cornholioo, but since he's using an open proxy, and we can't ban the proxy due to wiki bug reasons, a page protection is in order? Best wait for someone smart like Aichon and not dumb like us though. -- LEMON #1 10:36, 26 October 2010 (BST)
Yeah, that's why I went Proxy Route. Looking at the opening sentence I think its someone who doesn't quite know english, and the rest looks a copy and paste job. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:44, 26 October 2010 (BST)
If that is any evidence, it would be in the sockpuppet naming tradition. Hermann is the German name of Germanic warlord Arminius, and it was Teutoburg where he has beaten the Romans. -- Spiderzed 10:57, 26 October 2010 (BST)
Throw up a VB case spider, We'll have a look at ban avoidance. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:10, 26 October 2010 (BST)
Mmmm. And since we can't seem to ban the IP (after its "blocking" it seems he can still edit using it) we may have no choice but to protect the page until he can show us he's editing with an IP that isn't a proxy. Other calls are that we permaban the user (and the wiki software will automatically ban his IP) and then manually unban the user, but leave the automatically banned IP alone (since I'm pretty sure we have to manually unban the IP too in those cases) -- LEMON #1 11:12, 26 October 2010 (BST)
The problem is that Ross set the block to be for anonymous users only (just as he seemingly always does for IP blocks, though I'm not sure why). Basically, since Hermann isn't an anonymous user, he's effectively grandfathered in and allowed to keep posting with that IP address. I'm going to change the block to not allow known users either. Open proxies are banned, after all, for anonymous and non-anonymous users alike. Aichon 19:18, 27 October 2010 (BST)
Ah. Cheers. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:19, 27 October 2010 (BST)

8 Million Days in UD

Where is it? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:50, 30 October 2010 (BST)

The truth is I've been lazy, but the last of the semester's major essays is due this Tuesday, then I'm free to wank through my to-do list. Expect progress around then, methinks -- LEMON #1 15:42, 30 October 2010 (BST)
Excellent. Could Put Swiers Bellow Suggestion into implemented as well. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:57, 30 October 2010 (BST)
Took a bit to find it, but eventually got there. Didn't know he'd suggested that. -- LEMON #1 01:10, 31 October 2010 (BST)
Just realised you said "wank through." Where is it? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 23:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Protocol for Adding Edits to Protected Historical Event Pages

So what's the protocol for adding edits to a protected historical event page?

Long story short, we have a couple of articles in which people like Petrosjko and other RRF leaders talk about memories / planning / stories from the early days of the RRF. We would like to add a link to the Dia de los Muertos, First Siege of Caiger Malland Stanstock protected pages to these history articles, which all give memories / perspectives from the zombie side/planners who helped make those events possible.

Here are the articles we would like to link to: would this work exactly? Would I post a request in the Protected Page section or what? -MHSstaff 21:57, 30 October 2010 (BST)

If you want an edit made to a protected page, go to Protections. I don't know about this though, it may be best to have links on the talk pages (Which may also be protected.)--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature3 22:07, 30 October 2010 (BST)
So you would post the requested page and the requested edit there? -MHSstaff 22:14, 30 October 2010 (BST)
Yep. Then someone should get to it really quickly.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature3 22:16, 30 October 2010 (BST)
One thing I could see happening is the link would be protected but the linked article would not be. Would it make sense to also submit a protection request for the linked article in conjunction with this request so that it could not be edited following approval (if this crazy idea was approved)? -MHSstaff 22:39, 30 October 2010 (BST)
Mmmmm... Nah. In circumstances where the page could be modified by anyone, yeah, but they just link to more pages basically under the wing of the RRF so it's hardly abusable. And if something does happen, the links can just be contested on A/PT and possibly removed without any harm to the article. -- LEMON #1 01:13, 31 October 2010 (BST)

Shouldn't Halloween 2010 be moved to a user page?

Hey Dance,

So I think thats the sort of thing for user pages, but wasn't sure so thought I'd ask you...yeah? Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 22:47, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

It's an event. :P --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature3 22:50, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
I know its an event, but this is a very unofficial and non game related version...Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 05:33, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
It's still an event, imo. Just because it's "unofficial" whatever that means doesn't mean it wasn't an event.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature3 06:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
How is it not game related? The first paragraph explains how it is. -- LEMON #1 08:27, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


YOU ARE A CUNT--DDRSUCKSKNOB 09:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

The above

Actual vandal or you messing about with mates? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Not me, I'm sitting at home doing an assignment. However, I peeked over the IP data you and Yon did so I'm sure it's one of my mates having a loldrunk UDWiki moment while at a mate's place. And to think I joined their indoor soccer team... -- LEMON #1 12:12, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Manhunt interview?

Blame Axe but he dropped your name. I like Manhunts and want to do something on them, like maybe an interview. Do you have any interest? -MHSstaff 21:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Defo, I'll definitely help in any way I can! -- LEMON #1 22:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Wonderful. Head over here and fill out what you can. You do not have to answer all of them, just the questions you feel work the best. Although, it would be righteous if you can answer the ones directed at you. -MHSstaff 02:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Will be happy to, I'll hit it up soon. -- LEMON #1 08:43, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Alright, done almost all the ones I wanted to do. Will finish off my personal one soon. -- LEMON #1 11:41, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Many thanks; you had some really good ones. -MHSstaff 01:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

So the interview is located here and here. Feel free to change how you want your name to be represented or anything else in your answers. I went with DDR because I don't like typing a lot. I might change the order around a little and how much is on the main page, and how much spills over, but for the most part it will look like this. Thanks again for all your help. -MHSstaff 18:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Looks fine, nice work! -- LEMON #1 00:17, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

How am I doing in general?

Hey DDR,

I'm just asking, as i took a few days off due to year 12 exams and stuff. I've caught up however, and am considering you think I'm ready? Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 04:52, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I reckon you need a few more admin page edits, personally.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
So far I haven't seen you around much and I haven't seen you take the initiative and give your opinion on drama or discussions. The only place I really remember one of these instances off-hand was here, where your opinion was, quite frankly, wrong and very short sighted IMO. I'd suggest taking active work within the community. Or you could just run, and see what the whole community thinks, not just me (thats what I did before I got ops). -- LEMON #1 08:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Voting Expressing opinions on Sysop Elections?

When did we start doing that? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I think the question should be when did we stop doing that? Boxy and SA used to quite often, much to Iscariots dismay, and I've always freely expressed my opinion as a user/sysop. I think with Dez it's even more called for, since he's so often asking me of his opinion as a sysop. You may be mister neutral, but I'm mr... not neutral? -- LEMON #1 12:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Mr.... Positive or Negative? Box has never done it in my time and as usual I see Iscariot's pov. Hmm.... (goes to form an opinion). --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
He definitely has made opinions on A/PM cases, maybe not saying Against or Vouch (I don't remember a case of him doing that though I think he has) but he's definitely taken the time to post his opinions on candidates while crat. He was crat when he wrote on my A/PM bid, after all. -- LEMON #1 12:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but he didn't state a vouch, against preference. As for the last time box "Expressed an opinion positive or negative", I'd say trawling looks like UDWiki:Administration/Promotions/Honestmistake in mid 2009. I don't see a need for it, as you'll have perfect time to express your opinion at the end of the two weeks period. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
At the end of the two weeks it ain't my opinion, it's my opinion on the community consensus. He wants feedback and I think I have decent feedback for him. Not like it really matters anyway imo, and I've always done it without trouble or without dealing with any major conflict of interest. -- LEMON #1 21:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
I have to disagree. A bureaucrat should be able to give his personal opinion at all times. After two weeks he makes a decision based on community opinion which includes his own. It ultimately boils down to trusting someone to be able to make a distinction between the interest of himself and the community. Considering bureaucrats are the most trusted users through A/(B)PM already, this shouldn't be an issue. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 21:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
I have no problem with advice, or feedback, its the bolding that bothers me darling. It reinforces the incorrect impression its a vote. my darling. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Darling? I didn't realise the old labour cabinet played Urbandead.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Only an idiot like Conndraka (read Honestmistake's bid, hilarious) would still think this is a vote. The bolded part serves as a one-word summary of a person's opinion, the stuff behind the "vote" explains the reasoning. This is the only way it should be taken. And what's up with darling? Are you hitting on me? Gotta tell ya, I chuckled when you "offered your services" on A/A, but don't creep me out :0. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 22:16, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
A compliment on UDWiki is often much more threatening than a flame attack. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Your idea of a compliment is calling me your darling? Does not compute. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 22:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Ross is English. Be lucky he's calling you darling and not commiting genocide on your nation. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:42, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
In fairness these days we're more like Jabba's mate, leaning out from behind America and going "yeah!" --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 23:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Run out of steam after Argentina? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 00:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Only Harriers --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
I absolutely refuse to believe that a sysop or crat bolding their preference on A/PM creates any more of a threat of 'A/PM being a vote' than the entire community doing it... -- LEMON #1 02:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
No threat, only implied bias for the crats in the decision at the end of it.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough. Personally, I don't really care whether people think me voting is biased, because I know for a fact it isn't and if they don't like it they can vote a new guy in my place who they think won't do it. -- LEMON #1 03:52, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, you're both basically right, I'd say. It's perfectly acceptable and allowed, but just because you have every right to do it, doesn't mean it should be done. Even so, now that you've done it, I don't think you did anything wrong; it just would have been better if you hadn't. Hopefully that makes sense and I didn't twist words on myself there... Aichon 04:15, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

It might not even be a fortnight. The request has been filed on November 10. Counting Trip's weak vouch and Dez' op itself, there are just 2 vouches. Didn't promotion bids require 3 vouches within 24 hours to get under consideration? (Not that I think that whether letting it fade away at the scheduled pace or FFing the whole process will make a difference in the final outcome, looking at the way the discussion has run so far.) -- Spiderzed 18:45, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Not at all. Promotions hold two purposes, the second one is to gain feedback from the community. Dez's bid is doing this in probably the most constructive way I've ever seen. Axe hack didn't decide on his recent promotion bid until a week after he was nominated. It stays. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:51, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Mmm, I've always considered it 2 weeks from when it was lodged if it doesn't make the next header. In fact, I've always completely ignored the two headers, to me a bid is a bid. -- LEMON #1 00:14, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

For your inconvenience....

61,64, half health,... maul him! Do it now.... all I have to say is that I was low on AP... - Poodle of Doom 00:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

ooooooh, should have planned it out instead, I don't move around much these days -- LEMON #1 00:16, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Don't you dare let me down!!!

You promised to support me in my endeavors dammit!!!!! -EstacadoTalk 02:56, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Mate, you're talking to a group of people who had "promotion parties" every time one of us got promoted. I'm pretty sure we're more than gay enough to qualify for a worldwide IRL UD meet :( -- LEMON #1 12:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


Failing to post in the last 11 days isn't a good sign is it? I think its fairly obvious. A "one for the future" type comment methinks. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:35, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Tapping you for your opinion

Since I wasn't sure if you had seen this yet and I was fishing for comments or suggestions. Plus, I figure that anyone else interested will see it if I ping you and a few others. ;) Aichon 04:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)


-EstacadoTalk 04:11, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Just wanted to come by and say....

Hello! That is all.... -EstacadoTalk 00:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


Where is it, bitch? -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 01:44, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry dude. Working on it now, but stumped for music (that's actually the reason I stopped in the first place, easily sidetracked). Got any suggestions? I think Ross and Axe (I KNOW YOU'RE ALL WATCHING) or someone had some suggestions last time for music, I'm willing to hear? -- LEMON #1 11:57, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
We need an idea of length. Personally the ending music from the original dawn of the dead always wins.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:23, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Ha! Good call. I might use the robot chicken remix to break even more copyright licences (100 and 200 days had many a copyright issue :()! I dig that suggestion. At the moment I'm toying with the length, atm it's 1 minute, which I'm concerned may be too long for a succession of 800 colourmap images. -- LEMON #1 14:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm figuring that 3-4 images per second should be sufficient to allow people to discern each day while also moving along at a decent clip, which would give you about 3-4 minutes of video. Plus, it lets you work in some better tracks. Also, it'd be really cool if you both could tell us what date it was in the video (i.e. have the current month and year at the top) and then could correlate specific events to parts of the video by having either notes or comments over the video saying when things started or ended, such as the Bashes, Escape, etc., that way we could see the state of the city and know what it was all about. Aichon 19:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
I've always tried to speed them up as much as possible since 3-4 minutes of a dangermap IMO is too long for most people to bother. According to Youtube's Hotspots, the lengths I've made so far for 100 and 200 have been adequate apparently, and I think 3-4 minutes would be too long. I could always speed up the boring bits and focus on the battles/events in slower motion, though. -- LEMON #1 21:57, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a way of sharing the raw danger map images in a zipped file? It might look better if the suburb names were removed. -MHSstaff 20:27, 7 December 2010 (UTC) - it'd be a mammoth task though. -- LEMON #1 21:57, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
It's actually pretty straightforward and automated otherwise I would never go near this. Any of these feel like "that special someone"?


The suburb names are fixed and never change so all you have to do is pull the color from a fixed sets of points for each burb, make your new map, loop through all the images and resave them with a magic computer thingamajig doohickey. Pick your favorite and I'll let it run through all the images you gave me.-MHSstaff 04:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I dig the first one. Anyone else got a dif opinion? -- LEMON #1 07:07, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Inserting my comment out of chronological order - I like the 1st and 2nd ones. The contrast looks better with those borders.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 20:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. I kinda liked the suburb names. Gives a better overview and it's not like I know the entire map by heart.--Umbrella-White.png(Thad)eous OakleyUmbrella-White.png Talk 09:55, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
TBH I do to, but I'm fine with giving the community creative control over this instead of just me like usual. -- LEMON #1 14:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeah but they are completely pointless (other than making the images look super low res) since you can't even remotely read them in the video. -MHSstaff 15:34, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
That's likely because YouTube converts to flv and the compression causes some (or a lot) of lossiness (I am assuming since I haven't downloaded the screengrabs myself). Try Vimeo. It may not be as much of a household name like YouTube but the videos are noticable smoother. Now if the jpegs are just bad quality or you have to stretch them to fill the video, then by all means remove the names. One less pixely looking eyesore to clutter the video. ~Vsig.png 16:08, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
DDR is probably the best judge since he has an idea of what they will look like in the video. I say if you can read the names clearly, than it is probably worth keeping them. Otherwise, I would consider dropping them. Just let me know what you think works best for the project. -MHSstaff 16:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. If they can be read at HD, keep them. If not, drop them. Aichon 16:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
YouTube just uses Flash to deliver the underlying video, which I believe they convert to h.264 format so that it can also be seen from devices that don't support Flash. It's just a matter of resolution, and nowadays YouTube supports resolutions well beyond even 1080p (they actually support 4K, which is better than what IMAX typically uses). I think when DDR last did his videos, they didn't support HD resolutions, but they've steadily improved to keep pace with Vimeo and the like, so the loss shouldn't be nearly as bad. Aichon 16:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC).
DDR if you can, run a small test. Use just a few frames of video and then upload it to YT. I would hate to see you go through a whole bunch of work only to have pixely looking video in the end and either have to redo it or tell people to deal with it. ~Vsig.png 16:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

What might look kinda neat is to fade all the suburb colors based on time since last change, and have the active ones which are changing light up in normal, shiny, bright colors. This would be a no-text option since reconstructing the text would be too hard. -MHSstaff 18:23, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Just for reference, I still have the files I created from the records. No reason I couldn't use them to churn out some images without names. Or even different images, say a 100x100 grid of just the basic colour. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 20:41, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


Just now saw your latest signature. I hadn't realized you had ever done anything after that conversation we had awhile back. Cool stuff. Aichon 23:36, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Man, I was boning about with shit but failing so hard that I gave up after a while. It's still something I want to endeavour to master, but I'm more keen on just waiting till someone somehow makes an easier version. Like how I slaved over understanding Boxy's shadows and then a year later I saw someone on the minecraft wiki with a super easy shadow code :D -- LEMON #1 00:17, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I know I drink more than the Viz bakers but I think I'm missing something here. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 00:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Pop open the page in Safari or Chrome. Compare against my signature or my header on my userspace pages. Should be fairly obvious then. Firefox and IE don't support it yet, but they hopefully will one day. Aichon 03:19, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Ah. I have neither of those installed, but I can check on the uni computers tomorrow morning. I knew it aped your sig but I couldn't see anything other than a two-tone colour scheme. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 03:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing whatever I did wrong. I'm new to the wiki thing and im still getting used to how everything works. Didn't know that I posted it on the main page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dr Marty (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.

Thanks. How do I

Thanks for the pointers on my page. I think I'm getting better and our group site is looking pretty good. There are two problems I'm still having though and perhaps you could point me in the right direction. Both problems are in regards to our PHOBIA group site. First, I got the templates positioned correctly, but the background color is no longer solid. By spacing them did I screw it up, or is there code I can use? Second, I was thinking of a barbedwire border around the whole page. Where would I look for different borders? If you could point me in the right direction that would be great. --Mr Watt 08:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

you dont you cunt--CyberRead240 02:56, 28 December 2010 (UTC)