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This page is an archive containing all posts on my talk page from March 21 2008 until August 18 2008 when i decided it was filthy enough to warrant moar clearing.

It's alright

My group moved anyways. Ioncannon11 02:24, 15 June 2008 (BST)

Not You!

Chill, I wasn't talking to you. I meant the two dweebs changing it to that stupid fire station revive point or whatever it was. I changed it back to your revision, or as close to it as I could get. Ohhh, I seeee what happened. I pressed edit, and then you edited, and then I reverted it back to whatever it was. Slight glitch, sorry about that. I was like "Is this dude smokin something?" lol. Ioncannon11 05:03, 25 May 2008 (BST)

Don't sweat it. My mistake. Ioncannon11 05:06, 25 May 2008 (BST)


Yeh, you might know the answers to my two questions.

1. Why do some of Finis' edits not show up in recent changes? For example, his recent comment on the Vandal Banning page. 2. Why does his Sig link to his Talk page and not to his user page, and is this legal?

--CyberRead240 08:44, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

  1. No that change is no longer recent i can't check what you said so i'd either say you were mistaken and it was there, or if you're sure it wasn't, check with Karek, he's my source for all things wiki.
  2. Is answered here. So yes he can have his talk page instead of his front page.--xoxo 11:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

see look check now he has made a few edits to talk pages etc and nothing has come up on the recent changes page. --CyberRead240 07:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

no, it shows up fine for me.

m User talk:Finis Valorum‎; 18:12 . . (-99) . . Finis Valorum (Talk | contribs) (Undo revision 1086571 by Special:Contributions/J3D (User talk:J3D)) is right there, and it all matches up with his contribs, sorry read i think you're a tad paranoid :P --xoxo 07:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

AGH! I swear to god its not coming up for me. He just revised what Nick said on his page, and it didn't come up again. I'll screen shot it even!--CyberRead240 10:54, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
NOW! If you look at this screenshot, you will see Nicks Ball Sack message left on finis page and it will be highlighted. Look above it, and no sign of anything Finis does. Now, is it possible that they can ban me from seeing someones edits as a result of a conflict way way way in the past? If so, thats shitty.--CyberRead240 11:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC) --CyberRead240 11:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Empire Template

Dude! That's a fabulous idea! I'll try making one :D --Fifth Element 09:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, I was looking at making one of these the other day when I made my first template, but this one is much cooler! -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 00:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

RE:BBK News edit

Yeah, it was a pretty slow news day yesterday. Hahah.--CyberRead240 07:32, 30 March 2008 (BST)

About the Finis VB case

If you scroll through the edits, directly after Finis changed the context of Nicks comment, Nick changed his comment to "about you being homo" or something, which was effectively asking the exact same question. Nick posted "editing for clarity" in his edit summary, which is perfectly legal according to a previous arbitration case I read involving Conndraka. Finis then changed what Nick wrote, leaving it stamped with Nicks signature. I have posted this under your VB attempt on Finis. Hope it will add some weight to the discussion.--CyberRead240 13:37, 1 April 2008 (BST)

cool thanks. don't post on there anymore til a sysop comes and if you could dig up the page where the Conndraka thing happened that'd be handy.--xoxo 13:42, 1 April 2008 (BST)
It was Conndraka or Corlone. Something with C. It just stuck out in my memory because I knew it would come in handy one day.--CyberRead240 13:43, 1 April 2008 (BST)


Hey, umm, do you know how to make a signature?--{{User:Nitro378/Sig}} 05:08, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Actually not really, but if you want a relatively basic one, try here, if you want more complex then that look at other peoples sig code or ask someone like this guy, i think he knows about sigs and what not.--xoxo 05:16, 3 April 2008 (BST)
No, i just mean like put a sig you have onto your name... I put the link in my preferences like the faq says, but it just shows this

>>>> --{{User:Nitro378/Sig}} 05:41, 3 April 2008 (BST)


Try {{SUBST:Nosubst|User:Nitro378/Sig}} --xoxo 06:27, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Nope- this is my sig now... --{{SUBST:Nosubst|User:Nitro378/Sig}} 06:53, 3 April 2008 (BST)

But if i put that in the text this happens- Nitro378 T JNL

What gives???—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nitro378 (talkcontribs) 05:53, April 3, 2008.

Are you using 3 or 4 ~? You need to put ~~~~ when trying to sign, or the date wont show up. Is that what the problem is? No date? -- boxy talki 07:04 3 April 2008 (BST)
No, its that he's getting {{SUBST:Nosubst|User:Nitro378/Sig}} as his sig, whereas in text it shows up correctly. Basically he needs to know what to put in his preferences to get it to show up correctly.--xoxo 07:12, 3 April 2008 (BST)
I don't know then. Try one of the guys that wrote the help page. I don't use templated sigs, they suck -- boxy talki 07:19 3 April 2008 (BST)
Damn them sigs
This user doesn't like sig templates and prefers an oldschool non-templated sig (and contributes to reducing server load by using one).

Oh well, thanks anyway. --{{SUBST:Nosubst|User:Nitro378/Sig}} 07:23, 3 April 2008 (BST)

It's because you copied the code from an edit version of the instructions on help page. The {{This is hex code, you can see the difference when editing are done there to keep the page from actually triggering it. That and I believe you might not have clicked the Raw Signature checkbox. Make sure that checkbox is marked and then replace your signature in the line with {{SUBST:Nosubst|User:Nitro378/Sig}}(only copy the stuff between the nowiki tags). That should output Nitro378 T JNL when you sign.--Karekmaps?! 10:36, 3 April 2008 (BST)
Thanks, it was solved on his talk page, i figured out that it was the missing check box. Oldest trick in the book.--xoxo 11:10, 3 April 2008 (BST)

Hey Jed can you tell me what's the wiki code to make "the hand" become a crosshair when you move the mouse over your sig? Any other diferent types of "crosshairs"? --Obi + Talk!|TZH|MDK 12:14, 11 April 2008 (BST)

Try here. Scroll over the what the last guy said and you can see all the different cursors available. If you go to edit the page you can see the code required. My sig can be found here so you should be able to get the right code outa there. I actually suck at sigs so i can't really help you beyond that, good luck!--xoxo 06:27, 12 April 2008 (BST)
Thanks man! --Obi + Talk!|TZH|MDK 21:43, 12 April 2008 (BST)


Hmm, how interesting. It seems there is another Gnome on this wiki. I will steal that template shortly...--  AHLGTG 15:55, 3 April 2008 (BST)

the pesky critters get everywhere...--xoxo 07:10, 4 April 2008 (BST)


Why not? Join up, it's not just about BBK news, we have a protected section for all that shit. I added it there because ALiM is full of like minded people, and we plan on making this forum not just about UD, but about a bunch of shit. We just need active people first.--CyberRead240 07:46, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Yeah i'm joining atm, but we're trying to make ALiM more legit and less BBK orientated hence i removed the ad. On a positive note its because that link was there that i got my act together and joined!--xoxo 07:49, 7 April 2008 (BST)
Fair call.--CyberRead240 07:50, 7 April 2008 (BST)


Well, that's better. I think what you really need to do is decide on a proper title for a page that contains all of the nicknames for that area. Perhaps calling it by the most common nickname, if there exists one, or maybe calling it "Nicknames for Arkham". Then you can change all these other pages into actual redirects, because disambiguation pages are really annoying. It would also probably deal with the deletion issues, as people aren't likely to try to delete valid redirects as long as the page they go to is quality. Brought this to your talk page so we're not chasing each other across all the talk pages of the wiki. Feel free to reply here or on my talk page. --PdeqTalk* 11:33, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Yeah thats a valid point, i hate disambig pages. Perhaps the Arkham page could be used or the Nicknames for Arkham, i'll consult others who have created/worked on/provided creative inspiration for the page to see if the idea takes old. In the mean time i'm sorta having fun spammin' up RC...--xoxo 11:36, 7 April 2008 (BST)
The sooner you make such a page (the Arkham one would be fine by me), the better, since I think they're all going to end up on the Deletions page in the meantime. When you do make such a page and turn all the others into redirects, you may want to let me know as I will probably be changing my votes on those pages. I'm leaving my delete votes up for now though. Would also be interesting to have some data on how common each nickname is. I don't have a character in the area, so I'd be interested to know which names I could actually use should I ever wander over there and not have people ask me what the heck that term means. --PdeqTalk* 11:41, 7 April 2008 (BST)
hahaha, arkham is well in use, we are aggressively encouraging the term the arkham sisters so hopefully that will be well known in the near future, hamsters and noah's ark are probably a bit of a stretch...--xoxo 11:46, 7 April 2008 (BST)

1st attempt

Is that more like what you want? If not I'll need more specific details. When specifying text, give me the first word or 2 so I know what you are talking about. --Airborne88Zzz1.JPGT|Z.Quiz|PSS 08:43, 8 April 2008 (BST) Thats what i wanted but see how the Featured Article box looks crap now, and the Stret3.jpg image is no longer visable?--xoxo 09:08, 8 April 2008 (BST)

Ahh i see whats happened. the picture has been forced out of the normal area of the page to the right. Can you somehow make it fit back in within the standard area of the page? Thanks. Btw i would be most grateful if anyone with the required skills could do this...--xoxo 09:25, 8 April 2008 (BST)
you're getting closer but the TOC is still covering part of the featured article box...--xoxo 09:26, 8 April 2008 (BST)
Is it set now how you want it? I see there were additional edits after I went to bed. Looks good.--Airborne88Zzz1.JPGT|Z.Quiz|PSS 18:45, 9 April 2008 (BST)
Yeah its good how it now thanks. Thanks for the help...i'll cya over at hangman.--xoxo 09:47, 10 April 2008 (BST)

Belated Thank You

Hey I was just looking through some of my older suggestions (ie, suggestions from last week - hey I've only been wiki-ing for 1 1/2 weeks after all) and I totally missed the fact that in one of my earliest suggestions that I had made, even though you had voted kill, you were nevertheless very supportive of my making more suggestions and you hoped to see me at Talk:Discussion in the future. I thanked other people who had given me a kind reception at Suggestions and I totally didn't thank you. So thank you and sorry for not realizing it for 10 days :) So what's your opinion of my more recent suggestions - improving on how I'm making them, balance-wise? :) See you at Airborne's hangman when he thinks up another word on which to use my Grand Ninja Master hangman skills.--Tselita 23:02, 11 April 2008 (BST)

hehe, thats ok! Thanks for coming back and thanking me, sorry 'bout the kill vote though...I can't think what any of your recent suggs have been and i only comment on the ones on the talk page that both interest me and no one before has said everything i need to say. Although mostly i read through them and comment. Yeah i missed the last hangman, you really gotta be on when he's doing it or its all over...--xoxo 06:29, 12 April 2008 (BST)


It looked good from my end - I'll have to toy around with it a little more when I get the chance. Thanks for letting me know ;)

--Fifth Element 09:40, 14 April 2008 (BST)

Awww the pink thing looked good, but then you did one more edit and the whole thing died with the left toolbar moved to the bottom of the page and your urbandead logo (top left) was covering the Fifth Element header...also, do you like the movie fifth element? And i commented you on myspace :) --xoxo 09:47, 14 April 2008 (BST)
That was spectacularly awesome, I'll see if I can figure out exactly what did it for future use, I've never seen that happen before.--Karekmaps?! 11:07, 14 April 2008 (BST)
All you(Fifth) need to do is close the table at the end(add |} to the very bottom). You can see a copy of the code here, I didn't close the two open div tags. And it might be best to use a different font, I don't know what it comes out to for you but for me it's this and it's near impossible to read.--Karekmaps?! 11:19, 14 April 2008 (BST)

1912 categories meh

i don't know how that got there, i am assuming it got cut 'n' pasted with barricades plans i was working on or some such thing. and i never even noticed it before now. thanks for bringing it to my attention! but, please, man ... no drama ... thanks. peace out and suchlike stuff. --WanYao 22:17, 18 April 2008 (BST)


Stop hand.png
Please do not create insulting pages in other users namespace on this wiki. If you continue this behaviour, your editing privileges will be revoked. This is your last warning.

-- boxy talki 14:11 20 April 2008 (BST)

I know what you have done is wrong, but I am fairly sure that you have not broken any rules...I mean, you didn't create any page, you discussed on a page that didn't exist. I mean, I think you have just found a loophole. I'd like to see the rules that state "one may not post on the discussion page of a non-existent page" because I think thats the only way you should really get in trouble here.--CyberRead240 14:41, 20 April 2008 (BST)
What i did was technically the same as when Matthew Fahrenheit or someone comes along as slaps the Welcome Newbie Template on my talk page, maybe i should report Finis all of those edits he made...--xoxo 03:23, 21 April 2008 (BST)
USE THAT IN THE VB AREA!!! Seriously though, kudos. Your whole case is making both the sysops and the system look incredibly ridiculous--CyberRead240 09:00, 21 April 2008 (BST)
Yeah i'd like to know specifically what the problem is but i'm getting mixed vague answers. I think its the fact that its offensive. Ie, its fine to post a page User Talk:Finis Valorum/Santlerville and ask about the status of Santerville at the moment.--xoxo 09:02, 21 April 2008 (BST)
Stop being willfully ignorant. If you want to contact a user, you use their talk page (ie. User Talk:Finis Valorum), not some randomly named talk page that is not attached to any of their user pages. How the fuck do you expect people to find User Talk:Finis Valorum/Santlerville unless they see it created on Special:Recentchanges or in your contributions? Don't create subpages in other users namespace, and this includes talk pages that arn't attached to sub pages that the user themselves has created -- boxy talki 12:41 21 April 2008 (BST)

His talk page was protected as he was going away (although seemed around when it came time to A/VB me and DDR) and he does look at my contribs (plus he would get the page edited warning) so yeah he would find it. Also, for some bizarre reason i loled at seeing the santlerville subpage written out by you...--xoxo 13:43, 21 April 2008 (BST)

Your VB post

When I moved your post to the talk page I wasn't having a go at you, the person above you who posted the dumb comment was the reason I moved it... It was actualy useful of you striking out the "vandalism" comment. --SeventythreeTalk 00:05, 21 April 2008 (BST)

ty ty <3

it made me feel good too. better print screen it while we can. DanceDanceRevolution 12:27, 21 April 2008 (BST)


Thanks for linking the script :D --Fifth Element 11:45, 22 April 2008 (BST)

re: goon label

And you're gay! --אֲבִיּוֹנָהGunen.png 16:53, 22 April 2008 (BST)

lolfag.--Nallan (Talk) 03:16, 23 April 2008 (BST)
GOON!--xoxo 06:24, 23 April 2008 (BST)

ok I moved my sandbox to the link you gave me

I will put the old one up for Speedy Deletions now thank for the heads up, who ever you are.--Jamie Cantwell3 05:12, 24 April 2008 (BST)

Just a random...--xoxo 05:14, 24 April 2008 (BST)


I signed it - I just accidentally added an extra tilde in my rush. Nice try. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 08:56, 27 April 2008 (BST)

Yeah, see the thing about being in a rush is that you don't have time to preview. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 10:10, 27 April 2008 (BST)

Go for it. Given that a) when I tell someone to lrn2format without saying anything else my intention is not to conclusively rebut but to piss off, and b) that was my first formatting mistake in weeks I don't really give a toss what you think. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 12:05, 27 April 2008 (BST)

Re: River

Hi, I didn't know that there was a River Kevan. I've changed the redirect into a disambig. Thanks, Garum 14:19, 3 May 2008 (BST)


Thanks for the pointers with my user talk -- Pac8s 23:08, 17 May 2008 (BST)


You asked TheMCC what he meant by "suitable for any free man" which he keeps putting on the crowbar description. I googled it and found on the wiki page for Gordon Freeman that it is a reference to Half-Life 2. Cleaver reference, but obscure and confusing to the rest of us, myself included. --FrozenFlame 15:23, 18 May 2008 (BST)

Well i don't like that game and yeah, that doesn't really cut it for your average wikier (we prefer less 3D looking games) so i think i'll a/vb him if he decides to persist. Thanks for your help! --xoxo 08:09, 19 May 2008 (BST)

Internal linking

I see how you are making text links but I'm just using the "internal link" button. Let me [try.] Hmm, is it supposed to look like this? If so, why does the internal link button pop up [[Insert non-formatted text here]] instead of the external link button which gives [ link title]? --Emot-siren.gif LABIA on the INTERNET Emot-siren.gif Dunell Hills Corpseman The Malton Globetrotters#24 - You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| TMG 19:28, 20 May 2008 (BST)

Ok, don't worry about the buttons. You use the wiki enough that you should be able to remember all the stuff. To internal link you do this [[Great Fire|an awesome page]], if you want to external link (which can also be used for internal link but generally isn't coz it looks uglier you can do this [ an awesome page]. Note the single bracket and the space instead of a vertical line. I didn't fully understand your post so hopefully that answers it.--xoxo 07:47, 21 May 2008 (BST)


I didn't edit without their permission if you read right the CCPD's Allies and foes it says and I quote "Any and all pro-survivor groups are welcome to put themselves in the ally list without asking." End Quote. Thanks for the info but I read before I added after I got done asking for a Allience. :) --Josh Clark 02:30, 24 May 2008 (BST)


please stop spamming the sandbox/sandpit unless it's needed. It's ok to have fun in the wiki, but when it borders assylum behaviour i think it's time to stpo it. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 12:29, 26 May 2008 (BST)


You can present your opening statement when you are ready. --ZsL 17:33, 26 May 2008 (BST)


LOL.--Nallan (Talk) 12:28, 29 May 2008 (BST)

As above. -- Cheese 12:28, 29 May 2008 (BST)
We're all online! PAAAAARTAY!!--Nallan (Talk) 12:29, 29 May 2008 (BST)
I've revising. :P No time to Party. -- Cheese 12:31, 29 May 2008 (BST)
Haven't you heard Eddie Murphy? P.A.T.T!!--xoxo 12:43, 29 May 2008 (BST)

Thanks from me

Thanks for the heads up on the speedy delete as well as the redirect, much appreciated --C girl 21:26, 30 May 2008 (BST)


Thankyou for the kind message.--- - 16:32, 2 June 2008 (BST)

i'm lazy, i reply on my own talk page


--WanYao 10:10, 3 June 2008 (BST)

You're Welcome

I was meaning to arbitrate a case for some time. Thanks for the opportunity. --ZsL 22:30, 4 June 2008 (BST)


Mr Arbitrator! How prestigious!--Nallan (Talk) 06:56, 10 June 2008 (BST)

I prefer the term arbitatortot, thankyou.--xoxo 13:01, 10 June 2008 (BST)

Flaming torches?? LMFAO!

"In Australia what you would call 'flashlights' are called torches and the firey kind would either be called torches (and it would be understood through context) or alternatively flaming torches, but really how often do you have to concern yourself with the flaming kind, this is the 21st century.--J3DSR! 00:19, 30 May 2008 (BST)"

Flaming torches!?!? For some reason that is absolutely fucking hilarious to me... Like, Fantastic 4 fucking hilarious... And, in North America, the term "flaming" is common slang to describe a man who is flamboyantly homosexual, e.g. "a flaming faggot" ... in North American, a faggot, of course, is not something you light on fire and suck on... oh... waitasec........ uhmmmmmmmmm... ok, forget I ever brought this up, kay, yeah.... --WanYao 03:30, 11 June 2008 (BST)

haha? Has someone been wiki-ing under the influence?--xoxo 08:10, 11 June 2008 (BST)
It truly is the coolest thing to do when intoxicated.--Nallan (Talk) 11:23, 11 June 2008 (BST)

the Truth

The truth about Goolina Evidence of this can be found here. Hope this lives up to expectations.TerraI know the truth. 06:36, 17 June 2008 (BST)


I have ben trying to put my 'contacting Zig13' template instance in-line with my character box to no avail. Any ideas? I have tried removing the cool code that forces a new line (se sourse) and putting the template code physical on the same line as the character template. I am wondering whether it is something in the template code that is stopping it. I would be happy with the contacting bit being included in the character table to the right, but I find tables very confusing... Zig13 - 18/06/2008 at 09:41(BST)


Sickofwork.jpg Work got you down?
Play Urban Dead instead!
Happy-man-computer.jpg I'd rather be on UDWIKI!
I constantly refresh recent changes instead of working!

--Nallan (Talk) 10:35, 19 June 2008 (BST)

hahaha, i love the 2nd one. and the sad fact that i am the inspiration for it. man that is like the most depressing thing ever. oh well, lol@hsc!--xoxo 13:43, 19 June 2008 (BST)


Stop hand.png - Please don't create spam pages. That is vandalism. And this is an official warning. Continue and you face a ban. -- Cheese 14:15, 24 June 2008 (BST)

Group* pages.--CyberRead240 14:17, 24 June 2008 (BST)
Why J3D??? I like you... though I don't really know your friends... but... this was just dumb. I actually agree that you guys have much to contribute to the wiki... But it's EXACTLY these kinds of St00pid antics that make people not take you seriously, to see you as just a clique of immature shyte disturbers. I don't think you're that... So don't act like it. Dig? **sighs** --WanYao 14:17, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Horton Hears a Template

J3d.jpg Play on Names
This user received a template with his likeness. Get it? WTF?
What does a Namick warrior from Dragonball Z have to do with J3D?!
Oh.... it's a Java 3D rendering.

Once upon a time, there was a girl who was bored at work. Nothing to do. Watched all the Foamy the Squirrel web cartoons. Read all her webcomics. Craigslist was blocked from work, but she didn't like it anyway. Read a ton of stuff on Wikipedia so she now knows all sorts of things about the universe, Planck's constant, Doctor Who, and Marvel/DC/Image comics. Used up all her AP points in a few minutes instead of doing what she usually does and making it last the whole day.

So she started making templates. Templates after templates after templates. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Enjoy your template. --Tselita 21:07, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Hehehe thanks! I was wondering if i'd end up getting one :P --xoxo 14:19, 27 June 2008 (BST)


This video?

And Canada is derived from some native word, "Kanata", I believe. That's why it's not "Canadia". Cohen is also from Canada. So is someone else cool I forgot. Oh yeah, me! --WanYao 01:35, 5 July 2008 (BST)

That's a big lie, actually. I'm not cool... and everybody knows... --WanYao 01:37, 5 July 2008 (BST)
You're cool in your own special way :P --xoxo 16:19, 5 July 2008 (BST)
.. **blinks** .. anyhoo, use, silly. aren't you on there? being a good beaver and such? you have two choices, join the operation i'm talking about in Current Operations thread... Or... You could always join my sexzombievoodoodeathcult... Join the zombiesexdeathvoodoocult!!! --WanYao 14:02, 6 July 2008 (BST)
For zombiesdeath&voodoo parts. I've got enough of the other part with bisfan.... --WanYao 14:04, 6 July 2008 (BST)


Stop hand.png- I know you dont like finis, but substing ALiM into his talk page isnt the way to go about that. This is your second warning. You are now staring down the barrel of bannage. --The Grimch U! E! 08:13, 12 July 2008 (BST)

J3D, you fucking ANARCHIST!!! --WanYao 10:49, 13 July 2008 (BST)


Is that page your personal sandpit or is it supposed to be a glossary page defining the term sandpit? Or is it propaganda for your ALiM? Or all of the above? Just curious. I'd like to throw a category on it to get it off the list.--– Nubis NWO 00:17, 19 July 2008 (BST)

It is the equivalent of the Sandbox but for users who are more comfortable with the term 'Sandpit'. The fact that it has been spammed with ALiM propaganda and no one has bothered to clear it is purely coincidental ;) --xoxo 07:04, 19 July 2008 (BST)

Up the Chud!!

Seriously... We should totally make an article about Chudley/Darvall's perverted history, as refelcted in its colourful location names... And call it Up the Chud :P --WanYao 00:39, 21 July 2008 (BST)

Oh Noes

I guess a total and utter vote of confidence from the UD wiki users will not bring about any change. Guess we are stuck with the same old-same old one sided runnings for a long time to come. Good effort though--CyberRead240 14:50, 27 July 2008 (BST)

A whole bunch of vouches from your clique of buddies with little to no arguments in your favour does not overrule the facts. Its not a vote, just a sounding board for peoples opinions to see if a user is trusted or not. It doesnt matter if they are trusted, if they are still disruptive jerks who on one hand commit acts of vandalism while denying any wrongdoing while at the same time harrassing that same user for any percieved rule breakage on A/VB, they are not a person who should be ruling on vandalism cases at all. Your bid has thus been rejected. Theres a whole bunch of other reasons on the page. --The Grimch U! E! 14:57, 27 July 2008 (BST)
Going by that however, this basically means that the power to promote does not belong to the community in general, but rather to the two 'crats. A user could receive nothing but vouches and still be turned down by the attending 'crat. Why have the community discussion in the first place? -- Cheese 15:00, 27 July 2008 (BST)
1. I am taking the piss 2. Your "clique buddies" statement is predictable, but misguided, I think it was only Nick, myself and Shakey who voted who have any real affiliation with Jed? Nick gave a great reason why and he is a valued member of our community. I had my reasons why, but I felt I was best left out of it because it would be discounted anyway, considering my relationship with Jed. Seriously, it is very narrow minded to use this clique excuse, and I think you know that Grim. 3. I accept and totally agree with your decision, as stated on the promotions page.--CyberRead240
If you do a count, cheese, you will see that the split was closer than you think. Its not a vote, but a request for opinions. Thus any decision should be made on the facts and the strengths of the arguments presented. The Pro-J3D cam--Piskus99 10:56, 28 July 2008 (BST)p presented no arguments of consequence, and there were a number of glaring holes in his bid. If a person had unanimous support, he is extremely unlikely to be turned down in anything but the most exceptional of circumstances. This was no such case. If it were to be done on simple majority of people in favour of the promotion, then it would simply be a vote, and one that could easily be meatpuppeted and swamped by cliques. The purpose of promotions is not to promote people who are popular, but people who are fit for the job. In this case, J3D's fitness was was more than simply questionable. You want to whine cheese? Fine. --The Grimch U! E! 15:12, 27 July 2008 (BST)
I'm not whining. Like Read, I'm not arguing with your judgement. I personally would have ruled that way myself if I was 'crat. I'm only pointing the flaw with the system as it stands. -- Cheese 15:15, 27 July 2008 (BST)
No. Unfortunately you are whining. Let me explain how it is the case. Were it simply your complaints about a flaw with the system you and others would have had this out long ago, years ago even. What we have here is you, like MichaelRead, do not like my decision in the circumstances, but i made it so thoroughly impervious to assault, with a highly detailed explaination and multiple sources, that you cant actually do anything about it directly without looking like a bunch of overt whiners. And so you instead start the attack on this front. Its highly disingenuous. --The Grimch U! E! 15:28, 27 July 2008 (BST)

"Going by that however, this basically means that the power to promote does not belong to the community in general, but rather to the two 'crats." -- Essentially, yes. --WanYao 17:09, 27 July 2008 (BST)

lol....what was the point of that comment?..--CyberRead240 05:32, 28 July 2008 (BST)

All of you gtfo my talk page. This isn't some forum for the discussion on the failings of the wiki. Also i agree with Wan, if you aren't aware that the power to promote lies completely in the hands of the 2 crats and that the promotion 'discussion time' is merely for them to make up their minds in the unlikely event they hadn't already you should be. The only real say the other sysops and all other users get in the promotion process if the crat elections, choose wisely ;) --xoxo 07:44, 28 July 2008 (BST)

Blame noobsack grim, there was no need for him to comment.--CyberRead240 07:49, 28 July 2008 (BST)

Help delete account !!

This is piskus99 and you just wrote all that welcome stuff on my talk page. But how do you delete your account?
I just registered and almost immediately found out that being here is a waste of my time and im assuming everyone else's.
No details. --Piskus99 10:56, 28 July 2008 (BST)
Jed is not a sysop, ask someone else.--CyberRead240 11:53, 28 July 2008 (BST)

Man I feel so fucking sorry for you

Fuck Grim is a twat. Lost all respect I ever had for him for his actions towards you. A 'crat is supposed to deal with smooth runnings of the wiki, all he does is flame. Totally the wrong person for the job. I can't believe that a person of the highest order on this wiki would vilify a user for defending themselves over an overtly harsh rejection on a promotion bid. Honestly he is fucking worthless, and I for one think that your promotion application has done good for this wiki. It has allowed users to see that they have chosen the wrong person for the job, and they will consider this when his position comes up for review. Making a title like that on the talk page just proves his one-set mind, that is not what a sysop or a 'crat does to a user. I find it ridiculous that he is on this high horse. I for one regret my decision on voting him in as 'crat. He will no doubt reply to this with big words with little substance, in his usual better than thou manner. (Although, he probably will avoid it because I have said that he will reply).

I feel your promotion bid did not deserve acceptance, as I am sure you did too. But the way you were treated for sticking up for yourself is a blatant example of why we need someone like you as a sysop. We need to rub out those who think that holding a position of power on this wiki makes them a superior being, and we need to do it fast. I feel a fucking petition coming on....--CyberRead240 11:53, 28 July 2008 (BST)

Moreso, I would like to make it clear to anyone that reads this, that I am not bitter at Jeds unsuccessful promotion bid, I am bitter at the handling of the situation by both Sysops, and the treatment of Jed by Grim.--CyberRead240 11:55, 28 July 2008 (BST)
Le sigh. I could, perhaps, have handled the matter better, but when one person completely fails to understand what was written, and instead goes into super defensiveness mode and assumes everything there is a personal attack, drastic steps need to be taken. You can feel free to change the title J3D if you so like. I freely admit to being tired and annoyed at your completely baseless personal attacks in your post, and i pulled the plug on it. Thankfully, as to the rest of this drivel. I do not care what you think MichealRead. you were immediately biased in favour of J3D right at the start, so of course you are going to believe he has the right to lob flames at me just because i did not approve his bid. Last night you said you couldnt find fault with it. So where does this magical "Defending himself from attacks" come from? you'd have called me on it yesterday if you had found this magically appearing fantasy. --The Grimch U! E! 12:55, 28 July 2008 (BST)
My comment was directed at Jed, not at you. If you really do wish to seek clarification of my comments, you should have brought this to my user space. For starters, if you are going to accuse me of being biased in favour of Jed, then I have every right to accuse you of being biased against him, but if you care to read ALL of the posts I have made, I have never once challenged your integrity, until you decided to mouth off at him. Also your "quote" of mine, where did you get the word "attacks" from? Don't make shit up. All I have said Grim, is that Jed had every right to question your decision. Even if he has no point to make or prove, he still has every right to question it. You don't have the right to go and make ridiculous headers and comments vilifying him for exercising his right as a wiki user, to question the decision of a Sysop. I am RL friends with everyone in the whole BBK "clique" you speak of, and to ask any of them, while I was a supporter of Jed as a sysop (I feel it would really be beneficial to both him and the wiki), I knew and accepted a long time ago that nobody with Jeds V/B record (no matter how jocular in fashion) would ever get a promotion on any level. Not once did I truly expect Jed to become a sysop. So don't go making up shit anymore Grim. I have stated that I agree with your decision and I would have done the same thing on numerous occasions. For you to not take my word means two things. 1 - You are the biased one against anyone with any association to the abbreviations ALiM or BBK, and 2 - You are not fit to deal with members of the wiki community. He DOES have the right to "lob flames" at you, in a controlled promotions section, or on your userspace, but nowhere in the world does creating intentionally controversial headings for the sole purpose of causing drama mean anything other than poor form. What you have failed to understand is that I am not questioning the outcome of your decision. I guess that your biased mindset is clouding your better judgment. Oh, and btw, its Michael*.--CyberRead240 15:19, 28 July 2008 (BST)

Wont be posting here anymore, if you wish to provide the wiki with more of your poor form, you can direct it to my discussion page.--CyberRead240 15:22, 28 July 2008 (BST)

Grim, i'll reply to what you wrote here, then i consider the matter over. You made your decision, i'm fine with it, you made dickheady headings moving only half the conversation, i moved it back to the main page where it can be archived if you want. But please leave the whole bid there, not just the bits you like. Also, can you please read what i wrote in response to your decision on a/pm again because i just reread it and it is so far from the lobbing flames and personal attacks you made it out to be. I didn't even question your decision. All i did was point out where you were either misled or giving the wrong impression of my actions or where you were ranting about crats.

Reading it again all i can get out of it is how unreasonable you are. Where i've said "wow, we disagree, so what?" you've gone off about how wrong my view is. If you're trying to say in a round-about-way that's why you don't want me being a sysop you succeeded, but i'm fairly sure that wasn't your intention. Anyway i had thought you'd make a good crat because you wouldn't just let your buddies through and despite you being incredibly pig headed and short tempered i've always thought of you as vaguely fair - which is why i find it odd that while there's currently a general accepted shortage of sysops you turn down the promotion of two very different, neither perfect but supported candidates. None of this requires a reply so don't bother if you don't want to, however if you do - feel free.--xoxo 23:31, 28 July 2008 (BST)

Idiot. There is nothing left being undone, tasks are getting done in a timely manner. There is no shortasge of sysops. There is the same number of active sysops as always. And even if we were short on sysops, i still wouldnt promote people who arent fit to do the fucking job. You made a number of erroneous assumptions because you were entirely on the defensive, and thus took some things that were intended ads general reminders to the wiki populace as attacks towards yourself, to which you responded: }}Quote|J3D|More response rant - i have never (seriously) used the finis is a zerger excuse as reason for my vandalism against him. To say that is to totally undermine me and go out of your way to be an asshole.}} I have already explained how the assumption was false, and shall not waste my time doing it again. If you are too stupid to see that, then tough shit. As for the bid, once the decision was made the matter was over. Any further chatter belongs on the talk page. --The Grimch U! E! 02:46, 29 July 2008 (BST)
A glance around various talk/admin pages demonstrates that many other sysops and members of the community disagree with you on the sysop shortage issue. Not sure why you brought my finis comment back up, but sure, why not. And see my edit summary regarding the a/pm talk page.--xoxo 07:40, 29 July 2008 (BST)

Hey dude

Hows life?--CyberRead240 07:43, 29 July 2008 (BST)

=] pretty good mate. just got rejected from a sysop bid on the udwiki but yeah, other than that i'm pretty good. Created ALiMv yesterday! Check it out. How about you?--xoxo 07:47, 29 July 2008 (BST)
Not bad hey, yeah I know I saw your sysop rejection, lame. Could be good though, you might need your social skills sometime later in life, and I think you lose them the moment you are promoted, so don't be too hard on yourself. ALiMv? Dude awesome.--CyberRead240 07:50, 29 July 2008 (BST)


Thanks for transferring all the stuff over from my page to the new page! I'll slowly start improving and increasing content, I'll do my best to look after it and let anyone make any additions for now and then in a while look into sorting a votes/suggestions part (if there's any interest!) Obviously feel free to make any additions all the best --Co fragment 10:31, 29 July 2008 (BST)

I wouldn't get too tied up in the redtape of a talk page, better off just run it as a dictatorship ;) Some of the locations are really good and bring a tear to my eye when i remember they aren't in Malton...i like your work on Sprinkle Motel and feel free to drop by ALiM talk and vote on the locations listed there. If you need any help with editing etc lemme know (although i'm far from being an expert...)--xoxo 11:54, 29 July 2008 (BST)

Soft Warning

Keep your spam off the main A/VB page. Unless you have something remarkably helpful to add, keep your hands off. This has come up several times now, most recently in your promotions bid. I am taking action now. This is an official Cease and Desist notice. Failure to comply may very well result in you being put through the system yourself. If you feel you absolutely must contribute, then by all means do so, but do so in the correct place. The TALK page. Sysops have the page on their watchlist, and when checking their watchlists they will notice alterations to the talk page and see whats going on, especially if there is a new header. And, if that fails to appease you, feel free to add a little notice that reads "Discussion on talk" at the BOTTOM of the case. --The Grimch U! E! 15:53, 31 July 2008 (BST)

Oooh, oooh! Sir, Sir, Sir! Can I please get a copy of the Soft Warning policy please? -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 19:54, 31 July 2008 (BST)
In Grim's own words from VB: As for where its in writing, we are NOT starting this shit up again. -- Cheese 20:03, 31 July 2008 (BST)
More made up policy? I am Jack's total lack of surprise.... -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 21:58, 31 July 2008 (BST)
  1. Make a real policy for this, get it passed and i will happily comply.
  2. I was pointing out that i had approached the guy on his talk page as i felt there was ambiguity surrounding his vandalism. Then i found out there wasn't and said so. The last comment was not zomgz direly important but i needed a refresher on policy, should have gone to a sysop talk page but meh, i didn't.
  3. All of this is irrelevant because i didn't break policy. And before you say i'm just butthurt, i have always said that soft warnings are meaningless drivel, you can hardly say me posting on that page letting other users know i have asked him what he's doing is bad faith.--xoxo 01:03, 2 August 2008 (BST)
Dear Grim, by saying "Unless you have something remarkably helpful to add, keep your hands off", you have set a dangerous precedent. I will be keeping in mind your quote, and will have no problem using it against you and your HenchMen--CyberRead240 17:49, 2 August 2008 (BST)

Soft Warning 2

Dear User, you have received a soft warning for your post on my talk page. While it is legal, I do not agree with it, so I am going to give you a soft warning in hope that you will never cross me again. Actually, I am doing it so that it looks like I am better than you, and that I win. There is nothing you can do about this, if you choose to ask me about the legality involved, I will not reply, you should just know so. Failure to follow these instructions will result in another Soft Warning. Who knows what that will do to your escalation, just don't ask me. I've already told you I wont reply. Have a nice day.--CyberRead240 08:25, 4 August 2008 (BST)


i got your IMs, though i was afk at the time. my answer? ... people join groups. people leave groups. people flake out on groups and go inactive. etc. etc. that's the way it is, i accept that. you're welcome to join, we'd love to have you. however, here the thing... if your intent is to join, but you're not really planning on sticking around... well, meh. if you're basically just undecided atm, and wanna "hook up" with us, then join the forums, sign up, we'll go from there. is that cool? --WanYao 16:05, 4 August 2008 (BST)

the hookups sound tempting. i'll let you know ;) --xoxo 07:16, 5 August 2008 (BST)
Also, about the forum thing... In addition to possible scouting and intel and commincating objectives... As well as telling jokes and smearing ketchup on everything in sight.... We like to do stuff like post "reports" along the lines of MOB strike reports, but ideally with LOLz. Seriously, the best thing is to do most of our stuff on IRC, yeah... But the forums are an important secondary medium... And also where, other than in-game, we can do RP-ish stuff. Also... we have the best colour palettes in all UD... and cool siggies, too... That should be reason enough to join the forumz! --WanYao 16:02, 8 August 2008 (BST)

The Gowing Building

Thanks for touching up the Gowing Building.

The Emperor's Hammer's Adeptus Mechanicus is grateful.

--• LtZurSee slapped your nose with a newspaper for a heal from CORAM (0 seconds ago)AU 16:08, 14 August 2008 (BST)

np, location stubs are my arch nemesis. :) --xoxo 13:45, 15 August 2008 (BST)
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