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Hey Vecurek...

[1] Would that be considered NPOV? Can I delete it? I feel like being an ass today...-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 00:56, 9 August 2007 (BST)

Never mind, The Surgeon General showed me by doing it himself. So, any word on that whole NPOV discussion? I don't want to read through that entire thing...-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:13, 9 August 2007 (BST)
I stopped caring because it looks like no one really wants to work at NPOV, just to make a definition that justifies how they already ignore it. --Karekmaps?! 20:58, 9 August 2007 (BST)
I'll probably set something up in my namespace for NPOV news, but you could also go and add useful information if you care for more neutral news.--Karekmaps?! 21:00, 9 August 2007 (BST)

Oh, and that guy needs a compass, I'll have to give him one on the talk page.--Karekmaps?! 21:04, 9 August 2007 (BST)

YEah, I stole that template. And why did you add another link to the MP5? I already had one!-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:56, 13 August 2007 (BST)
I honestly don't know what you mean by the MP5 thing.--Karekmaps?! 02:00, 13 August 2007 (BST)
The MP5 was the dupe link we both provided. You know, the MP5 submachinegun in P. reviewed?-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 02:44, 13 August 2007 (BST)
Ah, I probably just copied your link, it's what I do when voting dupe these days.--Karekmaps?! 23:09, 15 August 2007 (BST)

our drama

Hey there. I just wanted to take a second and say that our discussion over on the fair play section got me thinking. I wonder if you would accept an appology from me. I think/hope that perhaps I may have gotten the wrong impression from you and that maybe we got off on the wrong foot. What I mean to say is that I play this game to make friends not piss people off and that I'm hoping that it would be possible to bury the hatchet so to speak.--Kristi of the Dead 13:17, 4 August 2007 (BST)

Fine with me.--Karekmaps?! 19:04, 4 August 2007 (BST)
Moved to here to make it easier on me.--Karekmaps?! 10:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

User Page

Blame that bright green on Suicidalangel. He said I should make my userpage better, but it's really low on my list of things to spend time on. So I "did a Vista" and opened it up for community editing. It made me laugh, which is why I've left it. Go change change it, if you like! RE: Extinction Zombie Hunters? We can't stop idiots using our group name, even when they are doing the OPPOSITE of what they should be! But we're only operating in the NW suburbs, as per our Group Page, and even before that we only operated in 3 corners of Malton. If you catch the bastard, give him a ticking off from us! 'arm. 10:20, 3 August 2007 (BST)

Damnall was a member. He was an informal 'co-commander' of the SW zone, but he hasn't posted in the forum since 20th June, or even logged since 2nd July. One of his last few posts was "i have created a new group and it will be on the wiki groups page preatty soon. this group will be called the russian conspiracy and it will help extinction by pking people inside nts and bring down the barricades of sertain buildings. in return, we ask to be kept alive for the time being". Maybe he's doing that now. I don't know why he's doing it under the auspices of Extinction, but I'll give him a PM and see if he replies. So you say he's been shooting zombies? 'arm. 11:01, 3 August 2007 (BST)

Dowdney Mall

I saw lordkarek inside the mall this evening, didn't I? What were you doing there and how do you like being on the other side of a LUE attack, if you don't mind me asking.--Insomniac By Choice 01:21, 30 July 2007 (BST)

I happened to be in the area verifying a false report being false when I heard you guys were coming. I decided to stay and check out the action. It was fun, especially the getting killed part, never been killed quite that fast.--Karekmaps?! 01:24, 30 July 2007 (BST)

bolding the bold

Why do you do this? The headings don't get any bolder do they? And it screws with the way the page loads after you edit the section (I don't get taken directly back to that section, but to the top of the page) The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talkcontribs) at 12:41 Sunday July 2007 (BST)

I actually don't remember doing that at all but apparently I did. Honestly I have no clue why I would have though.--Karekmaps?! 01:15, 30 July 2007 (BST)
Strange, and I've noticed a couple of others doing it just recently too. Do you use the buttons at the top of the edit page to put in your heading? Or something else automated? The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talkcontribs) at 02:56 Monday July 2007 (BST) 02:56, 30 July 2007 (BST)
Nope, I do all my coding but my sig line manually, which is why I'm so confused about having done that. The only explanation I can think of for why I did it would be if I was first doing a *''' ''' or ''' ''' and just decided to switch to header but forgot to remove that.--Karekmaps?! 09:26, 30 July 2007 (BST)

More Problems

Something setting you have (perhaps a forced px width) pushes the UDwiki's Navigation bar (on the left side of the screen) to the bottom of the page. Take a look at a screenshot to see what I mean. My screen resolution is 1152x864. 'arm. 09:13, 27 July 2007 (BST)

Thanks, I think I might know what is doing it because I fixed it on some other pages on my user space. Thanks.--Karekmaps?! 10:06, 27 July 2007 (BST)
That should fix it I think, I didn't end the tag incase someone was lazy and hit the + button instead of Edit. Added it now cause that fixed the error for me before on other pages.--Karekmaps?! 10:07, 27 July 2007 (BST)

Yep, all fixed now :). 'arm. 10:47, 27 July 2007 (BST)

Gore Corps Pic

Thanks for the minor logo change on our page - I'd been looking for pics for every group we have listed on our page. Just wondering if you've got a Gore Corps image that would be suitable for their entry. It looks wrong when all the other entries have nice little logos. Thanks--Nallan 07:23, 27 July 2007 (BST)

I'll see if I can find one, but as far as I know they don't have an image/thumbnail of their own not having a need for one and all.--Karekmaps?! 08:04, 27 July 2007 (BST)


Would you happen to know if there's a reason why it says "target moved away before you could attack them" even when the target has actually died? I ask because it seems to happen a lot in horde attacks that multiple people targeting the same person get that message, and especially if they're at the bottom of the list you don't know whether the person was actually active and escaped or died. I ask you this because you seem active enough in the suggestions section that you might know this sort of thing. If there's not a reason, it seems like it would be an easy suggestion to pass and put into place, just changing the message given a player depending on what the actual action is.

Also thanks for the keep vote for the Lie Down suggestion I made. What was funny (and pissed me off a bit) was that half the kill votes said it was useless while the other half said it overpowered zombies. It's probably true that it most benefits large, organized hordes, but as a member of one myself, I can't be blamed for wanting to be benefited, can I? --Insomniac By Choice 13:15, 24 July 2007 (BST)

People here don't understand that zombies are supposed to be over powered compared to survivors, at least in numbers. Anyway, to your first question, there is no specific reason that has been said that I know of but I suspect the game only checks to see if the target is valid and if it isn't returns with that phrase, so it's probably just a case of less server intensive because it only requires one thing instead of requiring multiples like a check of whether they are there or dead would and that it probably only looks at it from your perspective not from a server perspective. Someone like Swiers would be able to explain it better but I'm sure Kevan would probably be willing to inform you if you asked him.--Karekmaps?! 18:36, 24 July 2007 (BST)

I got a keep vote?

Not that I'm complaining, mind! Bloody hell though, My powerplant terminal suggestion must be good to get a keep from you! I think you've voted kill for every suggestion I've posted so far!--Seventythree 14:43, 20 July 2007 (BST)

Mabey mabey not, but I can see many uses for that info and none of them bad for anyone. And half of them would make the game more fun.--Karekmaps?! 14:44, 20 July 2007 (BST)
Well, that's the plan, Information is power... Unless it's information about something useless, like 80's boy bands or something I guess.--Seventythree 14:46, 20 July 2007 (BST)
Well I love information, it's why I'm building a better map.--Karekmaps?! 14:50, 20 July 2007 (BST)
Cool. Where?--Seventythree 14:54, 20 July 2007 (BST)
Two links at the top of this page, User:Karek/IWitnessReports and User:Karek/ProjDev.--Karekmaps?! 14:56, 20 July 2007 (BST)
Interesting... I understand how usefull they would be, but the coding and technical stuff is a little beyond me'I'm afraid!--Seventythree 14:59, 20 July 2007 (BST)

Conformity 2

Absolute conformity absolutely sucks--the wiki should reflect the character of its community, and individual suburb pages the primary users/contributors. Please cease imposing your interpretation of the "standard" everywhere--it's only going to create drama, especially where pages are hardly problematic right now. Find something else to do. --Barbecue Barbecue 15:19, 19 July 2007 (BST)

Seriously, why are you doing this? Even you admit on the M/VB page not all of your changes were NPOV/necessary. Why go around and grief people by making changes to pages that, admit it, you don't regularly use? Even I didn't like that "Shuttlebank Scavenger Squad" recruitment bit, but I let it go because, in the end, it's one entry, it's no big deal, and in time it will be forgotten. If it had continued, then, collectively, users of that page (myself included) would have started more gently and helpfully, not wiping out someone's contribution wholesale first. I just don't understand your approach here. --Barbecue Barbecue 15:53, 19 July 2007 (BST)
I replied on your talk page because you are too dumb to follow instructions even after being corrected once in a kind manner, I don't need people messing up my page because they can't be asked to read.--Karekmaps?! 22:25, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Good grief, you're unforgiving, aren't you? And making a batch of changes without discussion, then expecting me to undo individual ones is a bit much. And the harsh language isn't necessary. Honestly, this intensity, and the glee with which you were imposing your stylistic preferences across the wiki (c.f. the comments you attached to the changes)--just doesn't make sense. Come on, I know life in the RRF brings more than enough joy to counter any angst you may feel about wiki conflicts. --Barbecue Barbecue 22:32, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Few things you should learn. I'm usually this "harsh" with language I usually edit it out in previews but when I'm pissed at someone who is doing nothing beyond trying to be an asshat I don't give them the privilege of a restrained form of my speech, it's extra work from me and you've shown you don't deserve it. The comments were a joke, and you'll notice the only things I did on those pages was make the description of the barricade plan more NPOV, make a section for Radio Frequencies for suburbs with them spread all over the rest of the page, and added the news header which is considered universal. Some of them have two NPOV templates because I didn't check for another one. Other then that all I did was make it so the RPs actually linked to the location stubs, that the news was archived, and in some suburbs alterations to the description text. My problem with the "conflict" isn't the undoing of some of my edits but the way you undid them along with the fact that you completely undid them just so you could do some of them yourself. Forgiving? I forgive when you show you've earned it, in the case of making the same mistake twice you deserve to be mocked for that at least some.--Karekmaps?! 22:41, 19 July 2007 (BST)

User Page Problems

Call me crazy... but I can't read your user page... is the font supposed to be the same color as the background? --Cash Whizdom 19:20, 19 July 2007 (BST)

Actually no, and I have no clue why it would show up like that. What are the colors you are seeing? I know some skins screw up my pages but I wasn't aware of that happening on any of them.(also what skin are you using?)--Karekmaps?! 19:35, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Here is what we and everyone else is seeing: Karekuserpage.jpg --Thakilla 22:00, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Let's not post oversized images on my talk page, thank you. In the future a link to it will do time. Now, that is a basic Skin issue, for some reason certain skins won't accept the way the background code is formatted, not my fault it is more then likely an oversight in the creation of the Monobook based skins as those are the only ones that get that problem(try CologneBlue, nicer on the eyes anyway). Cash Whizdom however, had a different issue, he can't read the user page at all because the font is coming up the same color as the background the text is on. That is what I am wondering about because it is the first I've ever heard of such an error. Also I actually kinda like what the monobook errored version looks like aside from the revealed text and code.--Karekmaps?! 22:02, 19 July 2007 (BST)
i think i'm getting the same problem as Cash Whizdom, i'll get you a screen shot...and here it is. i think it might be our computers....--'BPTmz 22:42, 19 July 2007 (BST)

That is pretty damn weird. I'm gonna edit it so it's like the talk page since no one seems to have problems reading the talk page.--Karekmaps?! 22:45, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Yup, That's what I see as well! Everything is black! If it is the computers perhaps mine at home will show up differently, I'll let you know in a few hours.--Cash Whizdom 22:47, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Actually I think it has to do with the skin you're using. But I've changed it now so it shouldn't be a problem.--Karekmaps?! 22:52, 19 July 2007 (BST)
looks fine now.--'BPTmz 23:10, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Well, that works too, I guess! --Cash Whizdom 16:15, 20 July 2007 (BST)
Figured out the problem that Thakilla was having, turns out certain skins don't support the bgcolor tag so I just added in the CSS background-color tag and it works fine, or at least it should should I put the black back, I haven't tried readding the black yet but I might when I figure out the other problem.--Karekmaps?! 20:19, 20 July 2007 (BST)


Absolute conformity absolutely sucks--the wiki should reflect the character of its community, and individual suburb pages the primary users/contributors. Please cease imposing your interpretation of the "standard" everywhere--it's only going to create drama, especially where pages are hardly problematic right now. Find something else to do. --Barbecue Barbecue 15:19, 19 July 2007 (BST)

Suprisingly on a page with over 17,000 views and over hundreds of edits I doubt you are the primary contributer.--Karekmaps?! 15:21, 19 July 2007 (BST)

Ah, I see that I don’t even need to add a new topic. I agree with Barbecue, but I’m responding on behalf of the Reganbank and Grigg Heights pages. You removed all the flavour from these pages. It is allowed to give a suburb an identity, you know. BTW, I didn’t write those first passages, I suspect the Lebende Tote did. They are a zombie group with as much love for the game as I do, and this strange quest for uniformity is annoying… Which reminds me: please don’t remove any active groups from the suburb pages based on your personal opinion. The addition of archives is appreciated though. Please return the pages to their original state or I will report you for vandalism. --John Cannonfodder 15:52, 19 July 2007 (BST)

You might be able to make an argument for the part of the description I removed from the Reganbank page but that's really it. And the only reason I removed that was it was repetitive and had been said in the previous paragraph. Trust me on this, you don't agree with him because he has a very different agenda here.--Karekmaps?! 15:55, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Btw, I just added that back.--Karekmaps?! 15:56, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Thanks for your understanding. Most people simply love their suburbs and are a bit protective of them... *grins* --John Cannonfodder 18:08, 19 July 2007 (BST)
That I can understand.--Karekmaps?! 18:35, 19 July 2007 (BST)

Danversbank wiki page

Please stop removing the Active groups section and Barricading Policy from the Danversbank page. Archiving the dated information is perfectly fine but leave the rest. --Thakilla 20:19, 17 July 2007 (BST)

Active groups and barricade policy don't belong on the page, especially not active groups due to there already being a place for that and it just being pointless spam for the sake of advertising, which is a no no.--karek 20:24, 17 July 2007 (BST)
We do not consider it spam or advertising. It is information made more clear by having its own section. --Thakilla 20:29, 17 July 2007 (BST)
That information already has it's own section, leave it there. Also, you do not own Suburb pages, they are community pages.--karek 20:32, 17 July 2007 (BST)
The editing you have made is rather unnecessary. The Danversbank page was fine the way it was before, even though the news did need archiving. I do not see the need for such strictness when it comes to what is displayed on such pages, because it is a community page after all. --Thakilla 20:38, 17 July 2007 (BST)
It provides orientation and direction for all players, the information needs to be prominent and correct. And as a tool for all players one group should not get a higher billing on said area than any other group, it's part of why they are ruled by NPOV policies. It is basically so one group doesn't get the upper hand by advertising themselves on one of the most visited pages of the wiki and doesn't falsely report information in a way that causes other groups to be unable to use the page.--karek 20:42, 17 July 2007 (BST)
Are you going to apply these rules to other suburbs such as Ridleybank? If you noticed, the active groups section in Danversbank contained information about all the active groups in the area which is important information. Giving this information its own section will make it more clear. The section does provide a NPOV because any group who is active in the area may add themselves to the list. No group is suggested as better than another. --Thakilla 20:53, 17 July 2007 (BST)
Again I say the section already exists, and having them comment on themselves is POV, POV doesn't belong on the wiki page, the whole section was POV.--karek 20:56, 17 July 2007 (BST)
So you deleted this section:
Be aware that in times of crisis the DRRP will enforce the Emergency Danversbank Barricade Plan. Please read the Suburb History section below to determine which plan is active at any given time. --Paddy Dignam 21:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Another barricade plan, proposed by Holy Aura Militia, is at Danversbank Barricade Plan. Survivors on the streets are urged to be cautious and to conserve spare APs in case of emergency as griefers occasionally overbarricade the entry points. --R33F3RM4N 23:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Can you explain why this information has been deleted? Also please understand that the Local Active Groups section was a list of groups and a small description of what that group does. This is none biased information and provides a neutral point of view on the active groups. The phrase "Point of view" assumes that there are numerous opinions about the subject in question and describes an opinion, not a fact. The Active groups section was purely factual and hence did not show a POV. I am going to re-instate the section and should you delete it, I will request the page be temporarily locked to edit. --Thakilla 23:42, 17 July 2007 (BST)
Karek, while I appreciate your enthusiasm, please take your poor editing skills and your rather large ego elsewhere. Nothing on the Danversbank page was POV, and there is no requirement that the Barricading Policy section be below the Suburb News section. Plenty of other suburbs put the Barricading Policy first. Take Scarletwood, for example. Not all suburb pages are laid out the same way, and they never will be. Deal with it. --Paddy Dignam 00:16, 18 July 2007 (BST)
Actually, alot of people consider putting group info outside the group section to be POV because it's pretty much self advertisement. And if you are going to complain, don't use personal attacks. There is no need for that on the wiki. And just because current rules and such don't require a 'burb pages to be laid out in the same way, doesn't mean that it isn't being talked about, or it isn't being pushed for at the moment. And to Thakilla, I quote the page itself "is currently the most active group in the suburb". Thats not POV? How would they know if they are the most active?-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 00:36, 18 July 2007 (BST)
The DRRP live in Danversbank and knows the area very well, we do regular intelligence reports on group activity in the area. If we were not the most active group in the area, we would not have made the statement on the wiki. However, to come to a compromise, I shall edit the wiki to remove the offending remark :) --Thakilla 00:42, 18 July 2007 (BST)
It's not really a compromise, that entire section is still advertising those groups. And no, I'm not picking on that page alone, I'll be getting around to editing all the POV crap out of all the other 'burbs too. Might I add though, that this 'burb is one of the less infuriating pages when it comes to POV/NPOV. I haven't seen a single "OMG!!! OUR NT IS UNDER SIEGE! SOMEONE HELP US!". That stuff is really annoying.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 00:46, 18 July 2007 (BST)
ASA: You are right about my personal remarks. Karek, please accept my apology. My other remarks stand. If there is a layout enforced on all suburbs, by all means we will follow it. If not, please leave us be. I don't really have a problem with taking away the Active Groups section as long as it's done on all suburb pages. All you really had to do was put some comments on the Danversbank talk page before editing. --Paddy Dignam 00:53, 18 July 2007 (BST)
Well, technically he doesn't have to. It's kind of the basis of a wiki, mercilessly editing done by everyone. If he thought it was POV, and wanted to edit it, he had every right to. Just please, instead of constantly editing back and forth, take it up with talking first, then when the talking is done, edit. It gets annoying when you talk about fixing something, and then go editing anyways. Oh, and you don't have to put the A in ASA, SA will work fine.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 00:58, 18 July 2007 (BST)
And now it doesn't it. Now it's SE. :P.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:16, 18 July 2007 (BST)
Huh? You're all the same person? Damn I'm confused. But yes, that was my point. Starting a discussion on the Danversbank talk page before editing would have been the appropriate thing to do (and I suggest doing that now, if everyone's game). Duelling POV's is entirely counter-productive. --Paddy Dignam 01:30, 18 July 2007 (BST)
I'm me, Vecusum isn't me, your me, we're all me. At least in my mind. But if you guys want to take it up on the page, thats between you guys. I'm going to start working on other pages. Good day to you.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:35, 18 July 2007 (BST)
In the future please don't indent that much for that long, start to lose indents earlier. Anyway, I plan to do certain things to other suburb pages too and a discussion is currently underway in regards to content page content specifically suburb pages which may result in a very specific set up for them, one current debate is Barricade policies, which is why I left that there but removed the obviously POV parts and edited it to NPOV. Certain things should always be in prominence on a suburb page and there is an almost universal agreement that certain types of group advertisement shouldn't be allowed, this is the kind of advertisement I removed from the page. As for prominence, important information comes first and News information is the whole purpose for visiting the page for most all people, as such it should be the most prominent thing and barricade policies which a single group supports or enforces is of little consequence in comparison. As such I will be going to suburb wiki pages and moving it so it is near the map, which is appropriate because it is for the map and related to the map anyway. It's not just Danversbank, just so happens I did it there first. btw, barricade policies should be removed from the page anyway for multiple reasons, not the least of which being they are harmful to survivors, they are a group policy, and they are not significant or helpful due to their never being the true state of things, they are an ideal and as such insignificant and not belonging on the page. The only reason they are allowed up is people create such a hassle over them when they get removed and in all likeliness it may soon be standard policy to remove them for violating NPOV. Oh, and I'm Vecusum for those that haven't checked my userpage.--karek 11:38, 18 July 2007 (BST)
Alright, lees indentations. Can't help it though, I get bored. By the way, you write way too much sometimes. You could have easily slapped down the NPOV talk link and said "I'm gonna be right, sooner or later". :P.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 09:08, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Yeah but I wanted to set this out once and for all cause this isn't the first time I've had people whining to me about similar edits. I'll try to be less wordy.:P--Karekmaps?! 09:13, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Ah no problem. Would I really be looking into edit conflicts between you and other people if I had something better to do? ;). Besides, your page anyway.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 09:31, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Speaking of not having something better to do I do believe I am watching at least half the wiki. But I might be horribly wrong and there might be much more than 2800 pages. That would suck.--Karekmaps?! 09:33, 19 July 2007 (BST)
I've got four pages watched. My user page, the clothes suggestions page because I'm too lazy to remove it, and 2 other ones I can't remember what they are at the moment. I find everything through Recent Changes. Nothing happens on this wiki without me knowing. Unless of course I finally mange to get two or three hours of sleep. That part of the day is unknown to me. But who cares, if I don't know about it, it ain't worth knowing.' :).-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 09:54, 19 July 2007 (BST)
True but I prefer the formatting of the watchlist, makes it easier to find things and to know when they happened. --Karekmaps?! 09:59, 19 July 2007 (BST)
I see you broke into the habit of using a sig. It's nice by the way. The reason why I don't use the watchlist is because, although I'm concerned with the wiki as a whole, I'm not intent on watching the entire thing to make sure nothing bad happens. Thats what other people are for. I'm just the lazy bugger that backseat edits, asks people to shut the fuck up with personal attacks, and makes a comment here or there in the suggestions pages, where I just wanna kill some of the people that suggest stuff. :).-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 10:19, 19 July 2007 (BST)
A lot of it just happens because I don't remove things after I edit and I have it set so editing adds to my watchlist.--Karekmaps?! 10:23, 19 July 2007 (BST)
So, by what you're saying, you stalk me? Creepy...-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 10:26, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Sure, why not. Then again I think every frequent editor is on my watchlist.--Karekmaps?! 10:28, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Scary...I'm also considered a frequent editor. Which is even scarier. I've made less than a hundred edits outside of the Suggestions area. On other wikis, I've made thousands. You need to raise the bar, just a tad. ;).-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 10:30, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Compared to some of the other people here I would say frequent. I'm not exactly sure how many edits I've done though, I should probably check that. You've gotten me all curious.--Karekmaps?! 10:34, 19 July 2007 (BST)
It's best to think of me as the little ape on cartoons that keep everyone from seeing how retarded they look. And I do my job damn well too. :D.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 10:36, 19 July 2007 (BST)
Depends on who, some people are too retarded.--Karekmaps?! 10:38, 19 July 2007 (BST)

Dupe Votes

Where is this 'precedent' that you refer to? And when was it decided that this would override the actual rules? I know that dupe votes aren't counted at the end of voting, karek. But for that vote itself to be valid there has to be a dupe link supplied. Did you notice how I used <s>...</s> instead of {{s|...}}, which is how votes are usually struck? This was so that any reader of the suggestion could still see what Axe Hack wrote (without have to look on the edit page) and could decide to go look for a link if they wanted to. Why is it important to strike the vote and put the reason why? This reminds each reader that if they also want to vote dupe and link must be supplied to validate the dupe vote.

I'm going to revert your edit, as my edit presented the page in the best faith possible. If a dupe link is not being supplied by anyone, then that vote deserves to be struck until there is such a link. Only then could you justify un-striking the vote. 'arm. 20:10, 17 July 2007 (BST)

Look at previous duped suggestions, it's how it's been done for a long time now. You don't need a link to vote dupe and voting without a link is hoping someone will vote with one later.--karek 20:22, 17 July 2007 (BST)
karek, if you can't be bothered to find a link to show me where I did wrong, I don't know why I should do the work for you. Were you hoping someone else would reply with a link later (sic)? Anyway, I had a look through all the duped suggestion at the category page and I did see suggestions with dupe votes without links. These were either after a dupe vote with a link (and hence being valid due to the presence of a link), or they were the first dupe vote and posted as Linkless Dupe. On one them I was the second dupe vote, supplying the link. On earlier ones, either the mods didn't notice before someone replied with a link; or the mods were leavings the vote in place by being purposefully lenient. It's not impossible to tell which, which means you can't state that a precedent has been established.

I was well within my rights to strike the vote, as the rules stipulated the vote was invalid (and as I have said, my edit arguably increases the likelihood of a dupe link appearing). I know that not all the rules are followed strictly, and I certainly don't do so myself (my multiple non-author REs, for example), but please take them into account next time you are tempted to revert someone's edit. 'arm. 07:51, 18 July 2007 (BST)

It appears I was in the wrong (and you were right), as Vista has unstruck the vote. Apologies. 'arm. 02:38, 19 July 2007 (BST)

No problem.--Karekmaps?! 08:55, 19 July 2007 (BST)

Groups 2

Do you know who created the template? Also, obnoxious? How is it obnoxious? --Evildemon989 Talk · Help · W! · P! · SU! · TJ! · Hai! 19:48, 17 July 2007 (BST)

Also, you have a nice template. and o yea, nobody owns a template. --Evildemon989 Talk · Help · W! · P! · SU! · TJ! · Hai! 19:49, 17 July 2007 (BST)
Dux made the small Red template, not the full page one. And he didn't make the full page template. Mobius did. --Evildemon989 Talk · Help · W! · P! · SU! · TJ! · Hai! 19:54, 17 July 2007 (BST)
Who has the same scheme? --Evildemon989 Talk · Help · W! · P! · SU! · TJ! · Hai! 19:59, 17 July 2007 (BST)

TOCleft vs. TOCright

It's a wiki :-) It's just that most "John Doe's" would expect the navigation menu to be left.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Excogitation (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.

Whatever works works, eh.--karek 15:59, 16 July 2007 (BST)

Unverifiable opinion?

What do you call a broadcast attack announcement from Betty in-game and a leaked screengrab? And anyway it was substantially the same as somthing Rexy posted a week before which wasn't overwritten as spam. Don't let your personal feelings cloud your judgement. --Ulysses Black 15:06, 16 July 2007 (BST)

Personal feelings my ass, might I mention I have information that makes you out to be the fool for calling that evidence. LUE has not said it is currently attacking Santlerville or if it will be soon, they've done all of this before and screwed a mall very completely by faking reports of their coming, don't forget Hildebrand and realize without any proof of them in the area you really don't have any proof what LUE is doing. That and you should really read up on ethics, seriously. On top of all of that you didn't actually provide any information about the mall, which is what the MIC is for, not spreading rumors. Don't bother me about this again.--karek 15:19, 16 July 2007 (BST)

vandalism by User:Sexylegsread

GomerPyle41 and Sexylegsread are friends and in the same group. GomerPyle41 didn't mind Sexylegsread edit. So I reverted your blanking as it merely looks like vandalism. But thanks for trying to correct it-- Vista  +1  04:17, 16 July 2007 (BST)

Hard to read your page?

Maybe it's just me, but I just took a glance at your user page, and it's impossible to read as-is for me. Black text, black background; I have to highlight to see the text. Maybe it's something with my display settings, but, you might consider a tweak? --McTrout 20:18, 15 July 2007 (BST)

I'll be looking into that, it actually shows up black text on a red background to me though. Thanks for letting me know.--karek 02:26, 16 July 2007 (BST)


I saw your vote on the melee weapons suggestion. Honestly, that was one of the funniest and creative responses I've seen in awhile.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 04:07, 14 July 2007 (BST)

Yay me! Now I dine!--karek 04:12, 14 July 2007 (BST)


Go ahead, I look forward to seeing your map. - Whitehouse 16:43, 12 July 2007 (BST)

Things to do while in (suburb)

Hello Karek, as you seemed insistent on removing this section I thought it best to take this back to you Talk wikipage for a more formal discussion. The "Things to do while in..." section was a new suburb section that I created for every suburb wikipage that I have worked on to date, so you can see how I found it a little surprising that someone suddenly took offence and deleted it. As noted, similar sections currently exist for the suburb wikipages of: Dulston, Rhodenbank, Pescodside, Rolt Heights, with Dunningwood having been the 5th suburb as it was my most recent (last) Wiki project. Mind you, I'm not really here to argue the issue because I'm leaving UD (and by extension the UD Wiki) and I don't really have the heart to "fuss and fume" over fellow user counter-edits like I did "back in the day". As such, if it's really that important to you feel free to keep your version. But I do have a question, why did you remove it? I hope your answer is not something simple like: "Because no other suburb has it", because I've seen suburb wikipages with some crazy stuff displayed on them that don't conform with any other suburb wikipage "templates", which hey, what do I know about what's going on over there? As such, I don't arbitrarily step in and edit them to conform to what I believe they should look like. I mean could. But I don't. Anywho, I just curious as to your reasoning, which I feel you owe me that at least as it took some effort to create that entire section for Dunningwood and you only a few seconds to wipe out my work. --Mobius187 July 12 2007, 9:21 AM (EST)

My biggest reason for removing the parts I did were the template didn't apply to the page it was on and the content which could be considered insulting too a group of people(scientologist) due to it being a blatant pun/insult of them. The other stuff I had removed cause I didn't see a point to it, but I don't think it necessarily needs removal aside from for the sake of keeping the important information such as the news in higher prominence.--karek 14:29, 12 July 2007 (BST)


Hi karek, no probs with using the Extinction/Command Zones map, what are you using it as a template for? I noticed CRF are having a go at the Caiger Mall Hospitals, Extinction are testing out the Mall defenses at the moment, might be a good time to coordinate perhaps? --Zeug 11:30, 12 July 2007 (BST)

You'd have to ask Sonny I really have no say in CRF. And I'm using it for two things which are kinda the same thing. I'm using it to develop a better danger reporting system in short and I'm also using it to make said system more complex. I like factually useful info and the new system keeps all information actually useful and somewhat more up to date.--karek 11:34, 12 July 2007 (BST)


I've moved your funny stuff of the arbitration page. Don't start creating drama again. pretty please?-- Vista  +1  09:10, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Read the note to guests, it's there for a reason. And don't start putting drama where there is none.--karek 09:25, 10 July 2007 (BST)


I would be more than happy to provide you with the shots you are looking for. Just tell me, more specifically, what you need and I'll create a seperate character to get the specifically best shots that you need. If there's any other way I can help you with your project, let me know - I think it's a sweet thing that you are doing. --Donathin 02:50, 10 July 2007 (BST)

Thanks, but...

Thank you for your recent contribution to the Mall Information Center. However, please use the "user=" field to sign your updates there. I've fixed it for you this time, but if you have any questions regarding this matter feel free to leave them on my talk page. Thanks, and have a great day! --Pedentic 03:25, 9 July 2007 (BST)


Not directing anything at you, karek; I don't even think we've think we've met before. I apologize if it sounded like I was. -- Atticus Rex mfu pif Δ 04:16, 8 July 2007 (BST)

That's good to know, but I'm still kinda confused by what you meant, could you please explain some?--karek 04:37, 8 July 2007 (BST)

RE: Tactics

You're very right that I overlooked people who didn't deserve to be overlooked. I remember working with MotA back in the good ol' days of fall 2005, Dia de los Muertos, etc., and them was good zombies. I miss a lot of the groups that used to be around but aren't anymore, the Church of the Resurrection most especially because they had the best shtick of all. Didn't ever have anything to do with the Eastonwood Ferals, though, so I don't feel too bad for forgetting them.

Anyway, on the subject of malls it seems silly to even sit in them. Four hundred survivors is a lot of people, but ideally you can only have 100 covering each quadrant and in practice there will probably be one with only 60 or 70, more than possible to wipe out completely and allow a ransack if 150-200 zombies hit it all at once. When I had a high level survivor I spent a lot of time around malls, but I don't remember sleeping in one too often, big targets attracting big problems and all that.

If I were a survivor group I'd definitely abandon the mall to whoever wanted to take it, but it also seems true that without trenchcoaters and the supplies provided by malls, any given building is going to fall to attrition in that way. Barricades are better at wasting zombie AP (unless a lot break them down at one time), but ceding all initiative to the enemy is recipe for disaster. The problem a lot of zombie groups have is they lack speed; for them it's all about numbers and individuals pounding away at barricades or killing survivors, and survivors are far more potent than we zombies one-on-one. If you can get, say, 1000 humans under a single roof, sure, 150-200 zombies will probably never take it, but if it's 500 assorted zombies in a suburb + 150-200 zombies pounding that one building at a single time seems like it has to fall unless something like barricade bots are being used. I definitely think every zombie horde can be defeated no matter its size or organization, but I also think it takes many more survivors who are even better organized and then mistakes on the zombies' parts to do it.-Insomniac By Choice 05:58, 7 July 2007 (BST)

Moar Hatz!

Sweet! Thanks for the info :D --Specialist290 04:33, 4 July 2007 (BST)

Your comment in the "Increase %" suggestion

Just wanted to point out that it IS "your job" to clarify what you mean in your vote. Without justification for your vote, it's an invalid one - please keep that in mind. --Aguyuno 18:28, 26 June 2007 (BST)

My vote was fine, you know it, I know it, and he damn well knows it. He just wanted me to clarify more because he didn't get it and thought that that was grounds to attempt to invalidate it. It isn't, he doesn't have to understand why I'm voting the way I am as long as I have stated a good reason. And in that sense I'm pretty damn sure I don't have to clarify myself to him, especially when he is asking for my vote to be struck when it is within the rules of voting.--karek 20:11, 26 June 2007 (BST)
Relax mate. If that's all you meant, fine, I'm sorry. But the way you said it basically came off as "I don't have to explain myself, stfu", when we both know you DO when requested. I agree though; his request was out of line. --Aguyuno 20:20, 26 June 2007 (BST)
I tried to be more civil about it in the talk page, but Target Zombie, A Helpful whatever the hell he calls him self was pissing me off, thus my reaction here. Wasn't meant as anything against you.--karek 20:50, 26 June 2007 (BST)

Danger Levels

i would like to talk about your comment on the ketchelbank page. not the take it to the talk page part. that was understandable. but i would like to talk about the And also note that 50+ hordes don't have to all be on one square. i have to disagree with you there. the suburb calls Dangerous as Zombies inside many resource buildings, or hostile mobs of 50+ now how could it be a mob if it's spread out over an entire suburb?. i understand that this exact argument has been argued many, times before.--'BPTmz 00:12, 22 June 2007 (BST)

Please post at the top. Ok, well there are a few reasons why this is important. First off it's an or issue not an and, and in most cases of this argument people use it as an and, you only need one. Second 50+ hordes gather and split, currently in Ridleybank a 50+ horde formed on a PD in less than 10 minutes from many smaller hordes that were around it, I expect once the building is cracked it will split again into multiple hordes. The point is players are people, they move, they gather and split, but multiple hordes near each other with significantly less than 50 members are at times, and have more hitting power than, 50+ hordes. Mobs are not just a single square thing if you were to assume them as such I could get 400 zombies in a suburb and split them up in such a way that I don't even have a Dangerous rating(yes I understand they will break into buildings), you could even go significantly higher than that. Probably the best rule is if there are 50 or more zombies in a 9 square block because that is effectively a 50+ mob.--karek 00:19, 22 June 2007 (BST)
sorry about posting on the bottem. but yes, i do see were you are comeing from. it might be best to reword the danger levels to prevent this argument.--'BPTmz 00:26, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Possibly, but I don;t think that will happen.--karek 00:30, 22 June 2007 (BST)

Seventthree: Foreman

You think It will help survivors more? I can sort of see where you are coming from, but I would have thought that giving zombies the skill as well allows them to conserve AP by honing in on barricaded buildings... Anyway, thanks for your comment, It's given me something to think about at least.--Seventythree 07:59, 21 June 2007 (BST)

But see the issue is actually pretty simple for a zombie, if it's barricaded break it if it's not move on. All it would do for a zombie is show them how much more work they would do(not where humans are or anything else). What it does for humans is show them when something is knocked down(where zombies are actively hitting and when) and where they can go to waste zombie AP and seem more active. And that is the biggest problem I have with it.It's always good to hear back on a reply as long as it's not in multiple REs--karek 08:01, 21 June 2007 (BST)

Please Respond, Suburb Map Idea

I know some people will see this cause they, like me, obsess over the Recent Changes page. Anyway I want feedback on this and possibly someone to tell me where I would suggest it were I to suggest it.

The idea is simple, make a new Suburb map color, yes a fifth color. This color could be anything but the whole point of this color is it would be suburb danger level unknown. I propose that any suburb with a last news update on the suburb page over a week, mabey two, old gets changed to the color unknown. I know it means more work for some people but it also might actually lead to more accuracy, especially with ghost town suburbs which usually go unreported and are left green or red for absurd amounts of time. I just think the suburb map page needs this to have any chance at actually being useful beyond noting the most dangerous and historical suburbs.--karek 23:41, 19 June 2007 (BST)


I don't quite think the arrival of 9000 (and counting) new people is a good excuse to give each other loot, but hey, what do I know?--Lachryma 22:33, 19 June 2007 (BST)

It's celebrating of a joyous event. For zombies that is. --karek 22:34, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Ah, I get it. So many people sleeping on the street, so little time, huh?--Lachryma 22:37, 19 June 2007 (BST)
Yeah, pretty much ^_^. Merry Yahoomas.--karek 22:39, 19 June 2007 (BST)
to understand why its being called Yahoomas you have to have a zombie alt as this is more of a zombie event than anything. The man 13:23, 21 June 2007 (BST)
It's more than that though, you can't just have a zombie alt you need a zombie mindset. I would recommend joining one of the two biggest groups in the game, that might help. Merry Yahoomas The man.--karek 22:59, 21 June 2007 (BST)
You should totally wish me a merry Yahoomas day on my talk page. In big bold letters too. That way, I can legitimately have that Yahoomas template on my user page.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:17, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Ha! First time anyone has ever requested it. Sure.--karek 03:45, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Woo hoo! I've actually gained three levels because of these kids sleeping outside. And hey, theres a first time for anything.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:49, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Yeah, Yahoomas is what it's all about, I'm trying to get a minihorde rampaging through Mornington myself.--karek 03:52, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Or you could go ahead and make a mega horde. It might be harder, but hey, it'd be cooler.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 04:05, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Gah, I'm tempted to try for the sake of Yahoomas, but it would be a lot of wrangling.--karek 04:20, 22 June 2007 (BST)
Not as hard as corralling 500 Zerglings in a game of StarCraft. Now thats a challenge.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 04:44, 22 June 2007 (BST)
I always preferred Terran myself.--karek 07:50, 22 June 2007 (BST)
I can play all of them effectively, but I have a bad habit of ending matches by firing 22 simultaneous nukes. So I play Terran too.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 08:40, 22 June 2007 (BST)

Mark Scent

Hi Karek. Can you please take a look again at my suggestion and its talk page? I wanna discuss some changes you proposed there. Thanks. ~m T! 20:10, 10 June 2007 (BST)

Pretty much just gonna agree with Mathew Farenheit I think he covered just about any concerns I would have had. --karek 04:16, 11 June 2007 (BST)
  • Hi again. Thanks for the comments on my suggestion. I've noticed most people complained about the same things and I've changed them, I hope it is better now. ~m T! 16:45, 15 June 2007 (BST)


I've moved your funny stuff of the arbitration page. Don't start creating drama again. pretty please?-- Vista  +1  09:10, 10 July 2007 (BST)

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