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Yur bacK! JOY!--

bitch 14:21 22 March 2011 (UTC)


Worth saving? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:32, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Didn't even know of it's existence but, shouldn't be too hard to mock something up to work with it. I'll see what I can do, if you want it off the main space move it into iwitness' subpages or my project space. Also, while we're on the topic of Iwitness I'm curious who let this crapshoot through? There's almost no NPOV in the whole thing and it leans heavily towards skewed and made up information on a project I'm known to be working on by a guy who has tried to stir shit around it before. Like 90% of that needs a rewrite to even be close to honest or informative and I'm already walking the line of the wiki's resident bitch trying, yet again, to get me banned for no reason. --Karekmaps?! 12:39, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Meh. Its a public page, and I have no idea on the current state of IW, change whatever you like. I'll move The IWlink over to the separate namespace.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:49, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
It's not just stuff regarding Iwitness' state and features, it's the whole build of the article right down to bitching about Iwitness' privacy settings but not even mentioning UDWitness' system which runs a full line of randomized code in the URL. Whoever moved that into navigation needs to be blocked from editing protected pages since they obviously have 0 understanding of page standards. --Karekmaps?! 12:47, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Your permission

I need your permission to put

Ccpatch fpdf.png Survivors Defending Fort Perryn Supporter
This user or group supports the Fort Perryn Defense Force, defending Fort Perryn and the surrounding suburbs

on your group's Supported Policies part of their group page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Justinbronze (talkcontribs) 04:50, August 3, 2009.

Making a change to your User:Karek/ProjDev/PD02MST02pt02.

I've removed the obsolete Template:Updatedr from your User:Karek/ProjDev/PD02MST02pt02 page and replace it with the newer Template:UpdateDR. Those two templates have very little differences (you can check the history page for before and after result.) And the way you update the page hasn't changed at all.

Since the page is created and maintained by you, I feel the need to mention it. All other Danger Report pages have been changed already, so this change is consistent with them. The old template will be deleted soon. But if you seriously want it back for whatever reason, contact me. I have it archived on my own user space. -- Kittithaj 22:55, 30 July 2009 (BST)

Two things, 1) I don't see why I'd care 2) Ask permission FIRST next time. --Karekmaps?! 01:05, 31 July 2009 (BST)


You always knew how to make an entrance. Nice case. If you were still an Op you could have taken care of this yourself! --– Nubis NWO 02:06, 3 June 2009 (BST)


Hey man, next time come to me BEFORE you throw a misconduct case my way. If I'm right I'll fight for my belief but if it can be shown I'm wrong it doesn't take a lot for me to back down. Conndrakamod TAZM CFT 21:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I honestly don't see how it can. Normally I don't do misconduct or A/VB cases without first talking to the user and giving them the benefit of the doubt but, there really does not seem to be any question here. Either you didn't read the case and ruled which is essentially the same as if you did read the case and just decided not to. It's bias both ways, and exactly the wrong thing to do in our position.--Karekmaps?! 21:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


You strunk Iscariot's vote! Prepare for douchebaggery! Man the harpoons! Damn the torpedoes! Swab the poop deck! --_Vic D'Amato__Dead vs Blue_ 21:31, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I dare you and your comrades to give the kid more attention. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 23:50, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
p much the first post of yours that I can remember agreeing with. --Cyberbob 23:54, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not seeing how I'm part of that group. The only three administrative actions I've done were because they happened to be relevant and new when I came around to the pages. The striking was because of the VB post, so was the warning which happened at the same time. A while later I came around to the page again and saw Nubis made a pretty good point and thus changed my ruling. Although I'm starting to get pissed at JohnnyBass for his stepping in for what is obviously Iscariot doing his bullshit admin abuse whine in #malltour which, isn't even relevant to this discussion. I just felt like pointing out that that guy really needs to pull his head out of his ass as far as Iscariot is concerned considering even half of the stuff he knows Iscariot has done in the name of Mall Tour. Which basically says this: I'm not giving him any more attention than I am any of the wiki at this point in time, which is to say really little to none, he just has a habit of getting himself into these situations of his own accord because he's a fucking idiot. --Karekmaps?! 20:15, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Also, I have something to do that I've been putting off because every time I come around here there seems to be something adminy for me to do the other sysops haven't done it.--Karekmaps?! 20:27, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Random request for voting

Hello. We have a policy vote going on over here ---> here and we're 6 votes short of the required 20. If you aren't too busy, any chance you could saunter over and take a look? Thanks. -- Cheese 21:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


Are you planning to leave the wiki? --Pestolence(talk) 21:20, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Si, se puede. --Karekmaps?! 03:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, that's no fun. Good luck in whatever you do next, and thanks for everything you've done for this place. --Pestolence(talk) 03:18, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Damn :(. Have fun in the real world. Linkthewindow  Talk  04:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Pssh, the real world. Everyone knows that's only a myth. --Pestolence(talk) 04:10, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

It seems clear that the wiki community values your contribution as sysop. Do you want to remain in the position? If so, confirmation of your status should be a formality -- boxy talkteh rulz 14:02 21 February 2009 (BST)

Your silence has been deemed as consent by the way. :P --Suicidal Angel, Help needed? 23:48, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


"I'm putting myself up here as opposed to simply demotion[.]", You do want to leave your position as a Sysop then? (Y/N)? You certainly deserve a break, As so long you stick around the wiki ;) 00:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


User in question was this guy, he was banned permanently, I believe the ip ban was only for a few days though.--Suicidal Angel - Help needed? 22:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


You may have noticed Nubis has a habit of closing cases as quickly as possible to avoid dissent/discussion.--xoxo 00:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

What part of 4 - 3 with no other active sysops commenting makes the case "not closed"? -Emot-argh.gif--– Nubis NWO 00:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
What am I? Scotch mist? =/ -- Cheese 00:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
*ehem* actual ruling *ehem* --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, there is still the necessary bit of actually covering what his punishment would be. Obviously there's gonna be at least a 10 hour ban here unless everyone's lost their minds, a real possibility with all the zombies about these days. --Karekmaps?! 00:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
My apologies for my comment above. I did forget about the "punishment" phase of the case.
Do you really think they will go for a ban? At least they weren't throwing around "slap on the wrist" in the case itself. ::It doesn't matter what punishment he gets anyway, he won't learn. That's the most frustrating part.
And I closed it because I was pissed that people would vote Not Misconduct because the victim was SLR.Emot-argh.gif --– Nubis NWO 01:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Sometimes i forget you used to be reasonable, so whenever it resurfaces it can be a bit of a shock! --xoxo 05:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
To be fair I was unreasonable before I was reasonable. It's always interesting to see which one takes the reigns on which days. --Karekmaps?! 05:21, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
You'll note my indentation indicates i was talking to nubis. I understand you and can generally predict which way you'll go on an issue, with nubis it seems totally random...--xoxo 05:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
it is random. I am Chaotic/Chaotic alignment. The last thing I want to be is predictable. Emot-argh.gif--– Nubis NWO 08:55, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It's all chaotic, there are few long, or even medium term alignments amongst the sysops... -- boxy talkteh rulz 09:07 5 February 2009 (BST)
And here I was assuming you were doing what he did and just commenting on the page after the other comments and indenting as such. That seems to happen frequently here but no where else. --Karekmaps?! 05:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

If you guys hadn't of desysoped me this case would be tied currently :P --xoxo 05:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure is brownnose around here. --Cyberbob 05:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Everyone doesn't look bad in brown. For the most part. . . possibly. . .--Karekmaps?! 06:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh Bob, you know i love the smell of ass in the morning.--xoxo 06:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
I almost believe that was a joke. . . almost.--Karekmaps?! 06:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the nomination, it came as quite a suprise. TBH my first thought was that you were trying to give me enough rope to hang myself and i am still not completely sure you are not ;) Rest assured if i do get promoted I will try not to break too much and will blame you for everything I get wrong... I suppose that after all this time i really should try to make myself a bit more useful. --Honestmistake 14:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)




What I'd like to point out is that my original ruling was before he admitted to exploiting a loophole. I didn't think his sig was actually against policy. Now, onto the bad faith thing, I assume you're meaning my comment on Misconduct, right? I was simply stating that a loophole doesn't always=bad faith. In this case, exploiting the loophole WAS (according to everyone else) bad faith, but in general, it doesn't always mean bad faith. Thats just my opinion on that. I still don't think the sig itself is vandalism though. Nor do I think this, since everyone else believes it to be vandalism, is worth a week ban. I understand that its the next step, but sometimes, I don't think we should simply follow the ladder.--Suicidal Angel - Help needed? 22:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

It was about the misconduct thing but, there are very very few cases where exploiting a loophole is actually in good faith. Even less that show up around here. I also wish we could do away with the ladder and replace it with punishments appropriate to the user and action but, that will probably never happen.--Karekmaps?! 22:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I'll also concede to that point. The last time I've sen a loophole exploited in good faith was back during this hurricane in the states knocked out power in a large portion of the State of Ohio, and the administration of my school used this loophole to make sure that, although we submitted the forms to classify the days we lost school because of the power outage were late, that we still could count those as free calamity days. That was the first time I've seen a loophole used in good faith in the past 4 years. ^^. I still don't think the sig was vandalism, nor exactly bad faith. But we understand each others arguments, right?--Suicidal Angel - Help needed? 22:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
If we did away with the ladder it would make A/VB exactly like A/M with no set scale and no real way to enforce an action. Based on how little Misconduct is actually "punished" it would be worthless. -Emot-argh.gif--– Nubis NWO 03:09, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't think we should do away with the ladder in its entirety, just sometimes, I think it'd be better to simply warn a user again or something instead of banning them. Like Nalikill's case here. Nalik genuinely thought that having the fake logout links on pages were bad faith, and removed it in a good faith attempt. Yet due to the ladder, still got a month ban, which in my opinion wasn't a justifiable punishment for such an offense.--Suicidal Angel - Help needed? 03:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, quick question. Does the server start the clock for your next AP gain from the first time you use it that day, or from the last time you used it when it was full? For example, I have 50 AP one day, use all but 10, and then keep it at ten for the next three days, never lettign it get up to full. The next time I'll get an AP, will it be based off the time I first used one, on day one, or is the time reset to a flat half hour mark on the clock every day? I never thought about this in all my years of playing.--Suicidal Angel - Help needed? 23:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Neither, everyone gets AP at the same time, or at least the script is triggered to start at the same time for the whole database. What causes the time difference is that there are 1461864 accounts and it has to go through each one individually. You basically gain AP based on when you joined the game, assuming that's how he has it scrolling the DB. --Karekmaps?! 01:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Karek, will the If templates work if I'm slapping down code in them? Like <span style="yadaya boo">blarg</span>? I've been trying to use the {{Ifdef}} template to make something appear when I need it but I'm getting {{{2}}}.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

You gotta assign the second variable as 2=. It means you probably have multiple templates calling default variables, if you have them stacking then that might be causing the problem.--Karekmaps?! 01:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I clearly have no idea what I'm doing. I got the switch template to work but now I'm trying to condense all of it into one template, {{UDBox}}. I've made my zombie/human box thing to show up in location squares (like in the game), {{UDZH}}. What I want is to put {{UDZH}} into {{UDBox}} and have the zombie/human variable be able to appear or disappear. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
|case: DDDDDD|
You sure you didn't screw up the switches? --Karekmaps?! 01:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

No, pretty sure:

12 zombies
1 human

Seee. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

A blank case won't show up unless that variable is triggered. For some reason you have a case: DDDDDD with no value. Doesn't look right, probably not the problem here but it might be a problem at some point, such as if you are including one as the variable for the other and you are getting a default return.(it shows up in both templates) So anything that outputs vadiable DDDDDD in one will screw it up. I also didn't see any ifdefs, was I looking at the wrong templates or not paying close enough attention? --Karekmaps?! 01:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
No, I deleted, I've put it back now. Not really quite sure how to do it, as you can see. I was fiddling around with it but to no avail. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Try it now, I put in the variable assignment for the default var.--Karekmaps?! 04:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
The disappearing part didn't work. I've decided to go with a couple extra templates, it'll only add an extra letter for someone to type for a separate template. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

You are mental

You can't get gennies at F.D.'s anymore. We had this discussion a year ago when i changed the building info template. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:52, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

hmm, I always forget that. Still though, the flares are more then enough reason for me to be against it. It's too good of a secondary item to justify adding in a major resource item. --Karekmaps?! 21:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Don't want you looking like a fool. On a different note. What do you think the chances are of getting multi level buildings in the other place? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:00, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Possibly not horrible. I'm not sure how likely they are to implement user ideas as they don't seem to be extremely responsive. Also noticed they finally figured out how to hide boards :D .--Karekmaps?! 22:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Other place? hidden boards? Hay guyz, wuts goin on? Tells me!--Suicidal Angel - Help needed? 22:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
They are (Tries to remember) Danish after all. I'm just curious why they added stuff to the wiki from random IP accounts when they have an Admin account. I also expected it to be at least a week before someone mentioned Katanas. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:08, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a whole group of them, might have been someone like Krugmeister or one of the other people who have been on the forum since November and have access to the dev sections. --Karekmaps?! 22:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Looking at profiles there's 7 who registered over a day or so in november. They were all online at once (says so at the bottom) and 4 of them have never posted. Another one is the artist who's done the concept art. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:17, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

cuz level 2 headers at the bottom works best

hay. i am using the {{Switch}} template and i am having some difficulty making the default output be displayed. Could you take a look at {{SuburbDangerLevel}} and point what i am doing wrong ? --—The preceding signed comment was added by Hagnat (talkcontribs) at 11:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Everything. --Karekmaps?! 00:29, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

strike me

plz.--xoxo 02:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

*whipcrack* --Pestolence(talk) 03:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
#Vandal warning striking, I don't do that anymore . Although maybe some day I might again. --Karekmaps?! 03:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Something gives me the feeling you'll be able to figure out the correct warning to strike ;) --xoxo 03:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
It's not about whether it's the correct warning to strike, they're all the correct one. I know Cheese tends to do them, why not ask him? --Karekmaps?! 03:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Coz you're online and it's really straightforward....--xoxo 03:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
At this point in time I wouldn't do it for anyone. --Karekmaps?! 03:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
meh, this discussion proves i tried to get warning struck and thus for all purposes it is struck. my work here is done *disappears in a swish of his cape* --xoxo 03:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Ironically it is misconductable to do it incorrectly, but not misconductable to avoid doing it. Thanks, Iscariot, for helping the Community.--– Nubis NWO 14:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

We both know the only reason that case was even ruled misconduct was because you said it was and it was you that did it. It was humorous but not OMGPOWERABUSE. --Karekmaps?! 01:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
The case should have been thrown out when it was determined that it was only 7 edits shy. Honestly. It's not like I struck some one that just got the warning. That would be misconduct and I would vote that so. --– Nubis NWO 02:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Arby moves

I'm feeling bored atm so I'll start fixing links on the Arbies cases page and line up the redirects for deletion. -- Cheese 00:24, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

All done, I think. -- Cheese 01:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Now it's done. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:20, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Gnome. =) Knew I should have checked the page after deleting everything. -- Cheese 01:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Faire Queen

Er, in the latest misconduct case, you accidently revealed who made the Farie Queen account. Er, I know it was kinda obivous who made the account, and I don't think the person who made the account would care. But I was just worried that revealing who made Farie Queen would somehow be a violation of a policy that prevents you from revealing the idenity of a person, for privacy reasons.

I don't think I personally care, mind you. I am just worried somebody else might care, that's all. And I may be misunderstanding wiki policy as well, so I apologize if revealing who made Farie Queen was actually alright.--ShadowScope'the true enemy' 05:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

It's been openly known who it was for a while now. --Karekmaps?! 08:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
It's public knowledge due to Vandal Data. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 08:24, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh. My bad then.--ShadowScope'the true enemy' 02:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Whats the story on this Faerie Queen? Liberty 10:59, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I told you it wouldn't last. boxy </3 Karek. No longer best buds. :( --– Nubis NWO 11:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

This isn't the first such dispute we've had, which is why that whole conspiracy thing was strange to me. Some people will see what they want to see. --Karekmaps?! 15:45, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
At leased your doing what you believe and not just following suite. It shows strength. Though I doubt my words are very consoling. Liberty 16:06, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


i has vandal case, can u rule ? --People's Commissar Hagnat talk mod 00:43, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


Hi, Karek. I've been working on a policy for sysop review here, and I noticed on J3d's talk that you said "The system was set up originally to not have community review for a reason. That reason is still somewhat valid and more reasons connecting to that one have caused the failure of every proposition for regular review." What was that reason? I believe that sysops should be trusted by the current community, and I was wondering if there was a way to create a workable sysop review policy while still remaining reasonably fair to both the sysops and the community. See you around, --Pestolence(talk) 03:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

My opinion has long been that trusting sysops can't come from review. All that would lead to is factioning of the sysops. What needs to happen first is the rules need to be revised. We need to come to an understanding of whether or not we're willing to give the sysops a more workable system that trusts them before trying to trust them in a system that ties their hands. I'll add comments to your policy thing along with links to the original discussion of the development of the sysop nomination system.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 03:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the reasonable response and the input (no sarcasm intended, I know "Thank you for your input" has rather negative connotations around here, but I mean it this time.) It's appreciated. --Pestolence(talk) 03:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
If more people said Thank you for your input instead of calling people names or continuing a flame/troll war this place would be better. Verbal Judo FTW.--– Nubis NWO 14:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
It's a good reason to oppose review, one that I don't share but it's certainly reasonable. however, there was no real conscient reason for it when the system was designed.-- Vista  T  17:25, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

sinature claims

"You might want to try making that point again when Iscariot is commonly referred to as whatever he is claiming as his titles. St. Iscariot makes sense, St. Iscariot Wiki Martyr Protector of the Consensus does not and only serves as some ridiculous claim to make himself, illigitimately seem more authoritative. Like when he claims he runs and is the voice of MallTour, he isn't.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)"

In all fairness do you not feel that such advice might apply to your sig too? OK syou do say "self proclaimed" but it is perilously close to what he is doing--Honestmistake 02:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
My sig is based on a quote from one of Funt's Wiki Conspiracy articles and was added for the sake of humor, which I would assume the title makes clear as no one would legitimately claim those. Not to mention I wouldn't do what Iscariot is doing and always file cases under User:Karek. --Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 02:53, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
As far as I see it the only real difference is that you have a better developed sense of humour than him... you both claim to be something that your not in your tag-line, he just pushes it in peoples face more while you have made yours so overblown that its hard to assume you mean.--Honestmistake 08:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Assuming, for a moment, his intent was anything but furthering an argument. Let us just observe and compare the two. self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All, nothing official about that, obviously, it's even slightly derogatory and, as you mention, contains the lead in self-proclaimed. Obviously a joke and it paints the Judge Karke part in a similar light. St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr, Protector of Consensus. Sounds pretty official, yeah Wiki Martyr sounds light handed and almost like an in joke, it isn't and we know it but that's what it seems like. Protector of the Consensus though, not even close. Protector of the Consensus sounds like an honorific, it's supposed to sound like an honorific, like a title bestowed upon him. Bring back in what we know, we know this not only because of how he's using it but because of the frequency of which his claims of sysops being against the consensus have come up as of late, he's grasping for authority and legitimacy in his claims by adding a snipe everywhere he can, by aggrandizing himself where ever possible. More so he's dealing with an arbitration case against a new user, he's doing this in that case, and he's claiming failure on the part of the sysops to act legitimately and then using the supposed support for this view from the community to silence opposition to him. He's trying to make it look like the comments he expects to come are more baseless than they really are, he's trying to screw the newbie and the intent of all of his claims are either simply this or that he actually thinks he is all of those things. I wouldn't put the second past him but he's shown this type of behavior before, he's trying to rules lawyer to get the best possible situation for him. So, basically, the real difference, aside from the intent, is that I wouldn't do this, that I am not and never will be using my signature in any manner other than User:Karek on an arbitration case title because I actually believe in consistency for naming conventions on administration pages and were I ever to it would be based on my signature at the time, probably Vecusum as the name because that's the only other legitimate one I could claim, except maybe Belsnickle which I do not use for anything in UD but IRC. --Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 10:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Not to mention, the misspelling of Karek as Karke does convey that it is a joke. It would be like me signing Newbieis or N00biz or something. --– Nubis NWO 14:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

It is also okay to call him Vecurek, as shown by the fact that he hasn't hit me for it yet. :) -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 13:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


Who exactly? It did look suspicious, the instant trolling. 02:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Because I thought I should be useful

Might as well get that list off you. I don't want to be yelling at people all day long =P - Jedaz - 02:38/16/01/2009

Almost all the categories pages need sorting through for someone to check what should and shouldn't be there for starters. You can always start at Special:Uncategorizedcategories and start going down the trees. The skills pages need to be made more consistent and need general style updates, sorta like what Barricades got. There's certainly more but I'll have to go looking into it again, I forgot some of it. I know Grim was working on Category:Glossary pages before he left, a lot of them need expansion. --Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 02:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Cool thanks. I might get started on one of these. - Jedaz - 02:46/16/01/2009

Misconduct notice

I am in work so a bit busy but what do you think of this for starters? It refers of course to the new section on the actual admin/misconduct page rather than the linked section.

Just because a case furthers a personal dispute does not mean it is not a valid misconduct case, also I was under the impression that Harassment anywhere was not allowed? Perhaps altering it slightly to:
  • "Misconduct is not the place to carry out personal disputes, petty & frivilous cases brought for the express purpose of harassment or drama mongering can lead to vandalism charges. Harassment of any user on this wiki is frowned upon and that includes members of the admin team."
Nubis mentioned elsewhere that he thinks something like this should be on A/VB as well and i completely agree.--Honestmistake 14:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Doesn't the current version say pretty much exactly the same thing bar the last sentence? Well, that and this version seems to actually broaden the range of the warning to include small unimportant cases instead of just harassment cases. Sorry about the late reply. This is something I think does need to undergo discussion to work out any possible mistakes in the wording but I've been somewhat distracted as of late. --Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 14:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

A ruler for a ruler


--People's Commissar Hagnat talk mod 23:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


I've hit the wall of my superficial knowledge of templates and so I need your help (pleeease). I'm trying to make a template for my UD game (see userpage) and I've been unable to get past this problem. I can't figure out how make these parts go into this template coming out here and looking a bit like this. One of the key things is actions, since your last turn and possible actions need to go away in certain empty locations. Pretty much I want the template to function the same (or better) than what I have right now (just code). Permissions to edit my userpage, any help is appreciated. Thanks.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 20:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do, although I'm not sure I get what you're trying to do, or rather what the problem is.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 05:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
I.e., I'd like to expand on the template I have here to include these parts. It's supposed to work like Urban Dead (except my game is more of an interactive story). I tried getting around the problem by adding a {{{middle}}} section and then placing templates such as since your last turn, possible actions etc. It didn't work though, specifically the possible actions. You could play through my game to see what I have... I'm trying to template that. I might add that I'm in no hurry. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:32, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Update: I've managed to get everything to work, barring some needed tweaks but I have one final problem. I'm unable to replicate a "black" or "empty" location (see here). What I have now is something like Template:Locationblock in terms of the location block, (see Block, sandbox#3). I can get rid of the colour, making it black by simply not typing anything in:

N_location=[[User:A Helpful Little Gnome/N1|{{C|darkred|a field}}]]|N_color=Field50|
NE_location=[[User:A Helpful Little Gnome/NE1|{{C|darkred|a field}}]]|NE_color=Field50|
W_location=[[User:A Helpful Little Gnome/W1|{{C|darkred|a field}}]]|W_color=Field50|
This_location={{C|darkred|a park}}|location_color=Park|
E_location=[[User:A Helpful Little Gnome/E1|{{C|darkred|street}}]]|E_color=Field50|
SW_location=[[User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Wasteland1|{{C|darkred|Wasteland}}]]|SW_color=Wasteland|
S_location=[[User:A Helpful Little Gnome/S1|{{C|darkred|a field}}]]|S_color=Field66|
SE_location=[[User:A Helpful Little Gnome/SE1|{{C|darkred|a field}}]]|SE_color=Field66|

etc... rest of template

But of course, the "button" will remain, as I've set up the input thing in-between the code:

|style="width: 100px; height: 80px; {{{{{NW_color}}}}}"| <div style="background:lightgrey;border-top: solid 2px Gainsboro;border-left: solid 2px gainsboro;border-bottom: solid 2px grey;border-right:solid 2px grey">{{{NW_location}}}</div>

I'm a little clueless on how to make the button go away when I want it to. Any help is greatly appreciated, thanks. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:26, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Still not sure if I get what you're trying to do but, if you're trying to get something not to show up when a variable isn't set, that's what {{Ifndef}} is for. --Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 14:47, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
101100110101? *beep beepity beep* ? :D Yeah, that's what I'm for. How exactly would it work? I was looking at Template:NecroBadges earlier, but I don't want anything to be set in. Here are examples: templated, the thing I don't want, not templated, the thing I want.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Ifndef takes a variable({{{1}}}) and if that variable has no value adds {{{2}}}, Ifdef does the opposite only performing {{{2}}} if the variable has a value, {{If}} is basically just a combination of both of those. --Karekmaps?! 03:44, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
That makes sense, I'll try it when I get the time. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:34, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I actually have no clue. Can I tell you exactly what I want, then you can do it for me? It's not much.... please Mr. Karek? Please? *cute pouting Gnome face* --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:13, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Maaaaaybe.--Karekmaps?! 11:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Pleeeeeease.... *grovels in front of the Supreme Karek*--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I do not speak Robot very well, but I'm pretty sure complete silence either means a fatal error or consent. Seeing that you've edited recently, I have to conclude that it's a yes! Thank you thank you! (In all seriousness, I'll probably figure it out again, but it's nice bugging you having you around just in case). :D--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I DID IT!!! HA! I didn't even need those templates, it was sooo stupid simple! OMFG. I mean, maybe it isn't as cool or spiffy, but it works! HAH! Nananananana... nanana.... na... la.... :P --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:42, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

If Gnome were to use templates, it would entail having an Ifndef for each of the 9 locations? Also, Template:CallOut, some older pages had {{{text}}} and {{{atrib}}} and are now broken, could you have it check for {{{1}}} and then for {{{text}}} if {{{1}}} isn't supplied? For an exmaple the history of the Parser Function discussion. One last thing, I was looking into having the mall images switch depending on the dangerreport, ideas? 04:20, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I already made that last one some time ago, Mall_Status_Map. All the parts for the templates I used are still in my sub-pages if you'd like to see them as a baseline, they're all mentioned and discussed in the discussion page there or my ProjDev page. --Karekmaps?! 04:24, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Can I deploy this without voting? The only thing I'm unsure of is the image for Unknown, Safe or bloody(alt)? 05:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
For each 9 locations, yep. I cheated and simply removed the button-box thing and made it it's own template. So you can apply the template when you want it or don't when you have no need for it. Anyways, if you have any suggestions for improvement on the template, feel free. I'm done really except for some aesthetics.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


u spelt karek wrong nub.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:06, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I so totally did. --Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 01:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
u r so totally a biased ashole thar. jerk. ;) -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


I've put that header stuff on the VB pages into townboxes. What do you think now? My idea's to use them for summary purposes especially in cases where there is a mass of text to go through (read:I'm a lazy shit =p). -- Cheese 23:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


You know... for your help. I really appreciate it. Hardcore Rockabilly, Retired FAE Axes High AH RR RRF


I just wanted to edit that section (below) ;)

Ummm, anyway... was there a reason to have {{banneduser}} without the protections notice on it (like {{BannedUser}})? I just turned the former into a redirect to the latter, but if there's a reason for it, feel free to revert -- boxy talkteh rulz 11:19 1 January 2009 (BST)

One was supposed to be for less than permanent bans if memory serves. Such as one day, two day, or one week bans. I do know we have one that was set aside for the purpose of non-permanent and one that is set aside for the purpose of alt accounts. There was also at one point one that was there specifically for a certain user's alt's/offenses but that isn't important because of the sock/alt one.--Karekmaps?! 13:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
The way it is now though it seems a little confusing to try and figure out what was what, especially with the changes and the, what looks to be, now altered inclusions.--Karekmaps?! 13:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Shit, I just rolled it back myself. banneduser was included in BannedUser... and I redirected banneduser to BannedUser... feedback loop! -- boxy talkteh rulz 13:37 1 January 2009 (BST)

Oi, prick!

I was going through the short pages, using it to compile a list of things that need to be baleeted, and I noticed 7th_Fallschirmjäger_Div. It's listed on the special page, yet when you click the link to go to it, it's been deleted. If I'm not mistaken, Vantar once said it was not deletable. Got any theories as to that?-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

It also shows up on Uncategorized pages too.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
It's this. I don't believe that work around worked on the images, might on the page though.--Karekmaps?! 07:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Nothing personal, I just like this header. Hey, I'm not sure where the UDWiki:Misconduct came from but I am upset that "Cases made to further personal disputes should never be made here, harassment of any user through administration pages may result in vandal escalations. Despite their unique status this basic protection does still apply to Sysops." isn't on it. IMHO, that line should be added to A/VB, too. (well, maybe without the sysop clause on there, but you get the idea) If this was removed because of something HonestMistake said then you just lost cool points (redeemable for fun prizes!).--– Nubis NWO 20:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Uhm what? I'm the one that put that on A/M. I felt it should be there as that makes it easier to see. It's just pointing out a matter of fact but I'm betting it'll lead to some uninformed drama.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 23:14, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Ha Ha Sorry! I'm so used to going to A/M and just clicking on my name. I hardly get to read anything above the case queue. ;) --– Nubis NWO 00:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Coem bak judge karke, i miss j00

Also, you can never delete this section. It fills me with joy.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 19:06, 24 May 2009 (BST)


If Things have been done correctly and as originally planned everything should be visible in the Category:DHPD page. Note: I'm not going to bitch about Links moving of all the Groups pages (despite him not being a member of the group to my limited knowledge) and Cheese's creation of a whole bunch of redirects. After many of the pages were originally created there was a sentiment that the DHPD could not claim the Dunell Hills Police Department name space do to the way suburb pages were being done at the time and we were forced to use the DHPD name space instead. This created a significant amount of drama inside and outside of the group and I for one feel finally vindicated by the actions of outside individuals. Conndrakamod TAZM CFT 14:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

DHPD is not a contested name. It's not like they only have 3 pages and aren't using the name space or barely qualify for a category. I don't see the need to move them under Dunell Hills Police Department space. Especially if there is going to be a DHPD/Whatever redirect left for all of them. Redundant much?
What's your opinion on Axes High being moved to DEM subspace? To my knowledge AH predates DEM. It is also referred to here as joining DEM, but this clearly shows they are their own group. They were also put up for historical status on their own merits.--– Nubis NWO 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
For the sake of consistence. That doesn't mean we can't keep the old DHPD things as common sense redirects.--Karekmaps?! 13:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok. Now the Axes High issue? --– Nubis NWO 20:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
The current Axes High is part of the DEM, it's now more or less consistent to other member groups that were around pre-DEM like MFD. I actually don't think the organizational structure they chose for their pages does them any favors but it's both consistent and how they want it so I don't really see much problem.--Karekmaps?! 21:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
I see you moved AH back to its' own space. There needs to be a better way to deal with group page moves than just doing whatever someone posts on A/MR. Especially since those are often done by sysops that don't look into the request thoroughly and just do whatever is posted. Do we really want people that aren't in a group (especially an active group) to have that kind of "control" over page locations? --– Nubis NWO 21:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
That's part of what was behind the Autoconfirmed user group policy. There really isn't a much better system that can be developed beyond waiting for someone to take issue with the placement or a more knowledgeable sysop coming along.--Karekmaps?! 21:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Waste of Humanity

(copy from the arby) Nah... You, I disagree with, and have serious objections about your perceptions of some wiki policies, but I have at least some measure of respect for you. Iscariot is a blight who will on one hand claim someone lacks the intellectual acumen to engage him directly but on the other hand is in actuality a sniveling coward who uses loopholes to avoid arbitration that he can't mitigate himself or control. He is obviously also a drama stirring troll-whore who is incapable of actual constructive measures and spends his time knocking down a perceived elitist group not because they are actually elitist, but because its a group he knows that not only wouldn't accept him. Additionally, he also knows he couldn't garner enough support from the community he "supposedly" represents to be elected to that position and relies on bullshit misconduct cases and wiki technicalities to snipe at otherwise productive members of the community. I have no illusions about my place or functionality in this wiki and I know I'm not liked for a plethora of different reasons (many of which I engineered myself for reasons that will go to the grave with me), But I can respect you, Karek, for the most part ;) Conndrakamod TAZM CFT 05:37, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and I think you have an appreciable taste in animae/art, too Merry Christmas-Happy Chanuka-Joyous Noel-Grand Yuletide to you, sir. Conndrakamod TAZM CFT 05:37, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the tip! Even if I'm doing it wrong, because it's not working :) Thanks anyway. --Janus talk 20:51, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

If FORCETOC doesn't work just use TOC, it might be that I'm confused and all FORCETOC does is make the toc appear when you have less than the minimum number of headers required.--Karekmaps?! 00:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


Cheers. Still catching up on sysopy stuff. I'll note but self delete in future. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Holy Shit

An Epiphany. I may have finally figured out how to automate cycling and it is so obvious I'm reaching for a mini-sledge to hit my head with. I felt like announcing this semi-publicly, I have to test it first though. Knew there was a reason I couldn't sleep.--Karekmaps?! 12:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Better watch it. Make sure if you implement it you make a full page post on every sysop page, user page, and radio broadcast in the game otherwise I see you ending up on A/M, you dirty bastard. --Globetrotters Icon.png #99 DCC 10:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

User:Karek/ProjDev/PD15ARTCPT09 leaves me with one real problem, I need to figure out how to sort OPEN/CLOSED. Basically it's just set up for the final week right now, I need to set up a flag for the preceding ones. I believe it's all there, what I need that is, just need to sort it with a clearer head so I can get it all to work exactly.--Karekmaps?! 14:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

The Scourge

How can I go about getting permission to edit the Undying Scourge article? I was a member in 2005, but dropped out after Caiger I, and in any case, the group deserves better than its wiki presents now.--Insomniac By Choice 10:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

What I've started. In essence, what I'm trying to do is take information from the Scourge archive, the archives of various locations, and forum posts and combine them into something with a sense of history, retrospect, and ultimately, narrative. That by reading it, people can easily understand what took place and avoid the mess I'm subjecting myself to.--Insomniac By Choice 12:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I'll talk with ZillyBavros tomorrow and send him this way. I'd rather get his opinion of it before making a decision if that's all right.--Karekmaps?! 02:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I take his indifference as not caring. I'll look over it myself tonight if you hassle me about it any time after 3 hours from now so I have the little yellow reminder.--Karekmaps?! 12:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Bug Reporting

That whole page/sub pages such as Non Bugs, Known Bugs is a complete mess. I want to help tidy it up and put a better system in place, how would I go about doing this and getting others to help.--Kooks 16:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not even completely sure what it is you want to do.--Karekmaps?! 18:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Sort of a bug... Is the date stamp on Recruitment/Alerts template supposed to link to your user page? I just didn't see what was relevant on your page that needed to be linked to. --– Nubis NWO 06:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

It should link to the page of the user that last updated it.--Karekmaps?! 18:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


On Speedy Deletions, you stated that page should be deleted under "Crit 109." This was a typo, right? --Pestolence(talk) 19:51, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually it was a joke--Karekmaps?! 02:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

The Subst-ing of Templates

Is there a way to tell if a template is in use, but Subst-ed? I know that those don't show up in the "What links here" area. Thanks! --Pedentic 05:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Images are the most reliable way.--Karekmaps?! 05:47, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
How, exactly, do you mean? --Pedentic 05:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Click the images if there are any, see where they link, check if those links are via substituted templates.--Karekmaps?! 05:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the information! --Pedentic 06:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

You Ass

You should have manned up and stuck in the Crat process. Now look what happened. Love that Cheese and AHLG think the other sysops are fuckheads and ignores their opinions completely. HAH Good luck! --Globetrotters Icon.png #99 DCC 23:38, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

You have to realize that J3D will be the "safest" of sysops since the people that are up the asses of the sysops all "vouched" for him. So you know that while they put the rest of the Ops under a microscope somehow all of J3D's actions won't be subject to such scrutiny. The real test will be to see how he handles conflicts directly or indirectly involving his cronies. I'm not looking forward to any of this.--– Nubis NWO 06:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
If he's the safest of sysops then you should be looking forward to having such a sysop on the team, right? DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 11:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
... I pray this is sarcasm. --– Nubis NWO 13:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I predict both, but he'll let the Pubes Patrol do the dirty work for him to try and avoid flak. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 13:25, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Nice to know that you consider the following to be "No name" users whose opinion means nothing... Me, Hagnat, Rosslessness, Condrakka, Animesucks, Iscariot, Suicideangel and of course Cheese and Gnome. That list includes 2 (soon to be 3) sysops and years of contributions in a huge swathe of the Wiki; you don't have to like any or all of us but even you should be able to recognize us when we vouch for something you don't like. Any chance you could make me a "This user has no name" template though, i think its kind of catchy!--Honestmistake 14:24, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I fail to see how "years of contributions" make anyone more or less wrong. You're the resident loon, hagnat has always been something of a basketcase, Rosslessness is fairly naive, Conn... well you know, AS has done jack on the wiki besides attempt to rebuild a fresh clique, I can't believe you'd include Iscariot as someone whose opinion is valid, Suicidalangel has been lurking for months now and Cheese & Gnome both know they made the wrong decision going by how much angst they put into it. Gnome demoted himself and Cheese has gone silent. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 14:53, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Not arguing that "years of contributions" means we are right... you, boxy, karek, nubis and others have been here just as long. I was objecting to all of us being labelled "no-names" as in new and clueless contributors who no-one has heard of. As for my being resident loon I really don't know where you get that idea but given i would also argue for your right to voice an opinion too you may have a point...--Honestmistake 15:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Man. I am naive, especially as I DONT KNOW about conn, anyone know why AHLG demoted himself? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 16:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Nah, only speculation going around. He locked his talk page, and is unreachable by e-mail. --ZsL 17:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
The only reason Cheese has been quiet is because Cheese lives in Scotland and had to be up for work at 8 o' fucking clock this morning and only finished about an hour ago, this being the first time since last night that he has actually been on a computer. So, before you start accusing people of something, get your fucking facts right. -- Cheese 18:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Cyberbob summed it up nicely actually. SA and Rosslessness are the only ones on that list whose votes I actually would have put weight behind on that bid. Hagnat was being hagnat, he's inclusionist, Conndraka has long since lost my respect and was also being inclusionist, not judging the user beyond that he hasn't had any horrific run-ins with him. Animesucks is not a regular contributor and tends to treat most things as more joke than issue, not to mention from my discussions with him off the wiki he is also inclusionist, viewing it as J3D hasn't proven himself Amazing so he should be given a chance until he screws up. Iscariot and you both has a long history of disliking the sysops and raging against the machine for the sake of it, I deal with Iscariot off of the wiki and know he acts very differently here and I know you can be reasonable but often enough fall into the category of opposing the sysops for the sake of it that I often find myself having to take your comments on something with a grain of salt. All of that being said, how is "Cause he's not a vandal" justification for a promotion bid? It's not, it's just an absence of a reason to oppose it.--Karekmaps?! 17:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
"users who vouched because they always do against people they don't dislike(i.e. they are background noise)" I take it that refers to me?
If it does i would like to take issue because it simply is not true. As for your opinion that I am against all sysops... that too is wrong. I have stated many times that the team do a good job and could find examples of my defending most of them if you want? I do make my opinion known when I feel they are wrong and i think perhaps your opinion of me is tainted by the fact that we disagree so vehemently on so many things. I have never brought any sysop to misconduct and my comments on such cases always focus on the case at hand and its potential repercussions. Nubis's recent appearances are a case in point; I do not doubt for a second that Nubis was acting in good faith nor that he was not acting for the betterment of the wiki with his chosen deletions. However the rules surrounding his actions are so clear that they even form the basis of the example misconduct case. They are this clear for good reason... namely to prevent less knowledgeable sysops accidentally deleting things while no-one is watching, to find "not misconduct" in such a case is ludicrous and to attach no meaningful sanction would be to bring the system and rules into disrepute. Was I against Nubis personally though? No. Going back to Hagnats cases I frequently defended his actions even though they were equally against the rules.... why? Because Grim would have used such cases to drum him out of the sysop ranks (it eventually worked!) I even defended Grims actions on a number of occasions because he was right but attacked because unpopular. I really am sorry if you feel that i spend my days attacking sysops for fun because I don't, I do defend peoples right to have an opinion though and the need for that opinion to be heard even if it is then considered to be useless/ill-informed/insane/whatever.--Honestmistake 18:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Actually I wasn't talking about you at all there. You do consider things, that's why I generally do consider what you add to a discussion however you do have a tendency to oppose the sysops for the sake of it and then to work backwards from there, even if it is for good or not intentional it does pose a bit of a problem regarding them when there might be a legitimate reason but little to no explanation as to what that reason might be. I don't write your opinion off because of it but I do find I have to approach it differently than if, say, Seventythree were saying the same thing in the situation.--Karekmaps?! 19:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Karek, if Cheese steps down because he realizes he got in over his head then you and Boxy are the new Crats by default (basically) since judging by October's election you two are the only ones still in the race. To replace AHLG it's down to you two since almost everyone else always drops out. --– Nubis NWO 01:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Now there is an interesting new rule.... No one voted for him but he gets the job anyway because you say so?--Honestmistake 08:16, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Not even you are that utterly fucking stupid. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 08:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh so it is policy that we have to have a crat that very few want and without the community having their say? I doubt Karek would even want that poisoned chalice given he thinks that J3D's promotion is dodgy due to opposition. Who the hell would want the role knowing that they gained the least support of all available candidates and only got the job because no one else wanted it?--Honestmistake 11:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
In any event you two must realize that since the last election Hagnat and J3D have become valid choices not to mention that Rosslessness will almost certainly be a sysop and thus eligible as well? I am not saying they are good (or bad) choices but you can't just ignore thm and promote someone without following the correct process... not unless you plan to follow overlord Grim into exile?--Honestmistake 11:08, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Shut the fuck up. You completely misread what Nubis was saying and I don't feel like schooling you on English 101. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 11:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
How the fuck do you come to that conclusion? Nubis clearly says that if Cheese goes then Boxy and Karek are Crats by default because they were the only 2 that stood last time. Since then we have 2 (soon 3) new sysops who could not have stood then but may now. If there were no new candidates and Cheese were to go as well then i think we would all have to take a very serious look at the system because having a Crat by default makes a mockery of the process and means every ruling they made could be challenged with a very valid "who gave you the right?" because the answer would effectively be "no one" --Honestmistake 11:34, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Nubis seems to have been saying that Boxy and me would be the only ones that would stay in the running for it and would be the only two options in the vote. Unless the other sysops decide not to withdraw like they always do. As for the other, I've already addressed it and it should be a vote, we set that precedent with Grim's demotion and the only one that can change it at this point is Kevan by promoting who he wants to the position again. Also, worth note, Cheese was basically a 'crat by default because of Grim's actions even though there was a vote.--Karekmaps?! 17:23, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Cheese was hardly winner by default. He was up against you and Boxy both of whom were stronger candidates. Boxy had been Crat for a long time, and while he did do a good job I (and others) did think he did needed a bit of a break. You have always been perceived as "Grim Junior" with some justification and thus probably were never going to be in the running given the elections circumstances. At the end of the day though popular opinion seemed to feel a clean sweep was what was needed and so Cheese romped home. I think he was probably the wrong choice (I voted Boxy) but he was by no means a default victor. --Honestmistake 18:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Cheese won because no one wanted to promote anyone with any viewable marks against them, as you said I was never in really in the running because of the circumstances but I really don't think Boxy was either as far as the majority of people were concerned not only because he only recently lost the position but also because he was part of that drama, at least in the response to it. None of them knew Cheese or at least knew they didn't want Boxy again so soon.--Karekmaps?! 18:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm so glad that Karek (and Bob) can actually read and comprehend what I said. I also think Karek nailed it on the head when he said that Cheese won by default.

And this shit: Now there is an interesting new rule.... No one voted for him but he gets the job anyway because you say so?--Honestmistake 08:16, 20 November 2008 (UTC) needs to stop. Just because I happen to be a sysop and I happen to have said something it doesn't mean that by ANY stretch of the imagination do I or any other intelligent person think I am trying to make a new rule here. I'm merely saying something to a friend on his talk page in a conversation that you just happen to be sticking your nose into. Stop making yourself look like any more of an idiot. --– Nubis NWO 20:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I would like to point out, since it was said up there somewhere, that my opinion wasn't firmly seated behind him. I was willing to give him a chance, if he'd agree to the condition. He did not, I should point out. So, should he screw up, lynch mob shall be formededed.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 21:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

You bring the torches, I'll get the smores.--Karekmaps?! 21:08, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Sometime next week i plan on putting forward a policy that allows for public voting demotions of sysops, i just didn't feel i should have a policy apply to me but not to the rest, although i certainly agree with the concept.--xoxo 23:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Probably not a good idea unless you want people to meatpuppet demotions.--Karekmaps?! 23:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah it's a concern, but people can meatpuppet everything else on the wiki...isn't that the nature of democracy? ;) --xoxo 00:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Good luck. Before you make the policy that you are proposing, perhaps you might want to brush up on some history of similar policies first. Particularly the discussion page.--Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 00:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
tl;dr. I'll do it later, i promise. But yeah, it's something i've considered before and SA mentioned it so i think it's something that perhaps should be discussed again. That was over a year ago after all.--xoxo 01:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Posting on an epic thread. And yeah, i am an inclusionist and i am not ashamed of it :D --People's Commissar Hagnat talk mod 21:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

as Hagnat... oh and because you are the Jefferson to my Jackson, I'll vote against pretty much anything you are for and have noticed a similar trend in yourself. Obvious exceptions exist but its a trend of nullification I expect to continue for some time do to our ideological perspectives. Now let me go back to doing nothing except irritating the trolls by my mere existence. Conndrakamod TAZM CFT 21:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Fine by me but I should probably note that the day you stop being a sysop is the day I stop having a major issue with you around here, well, at least that would only leave arbitration cases.--Karekmaps?! 22:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I have a question. Are my opinions and thoughts really worth that much?-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 14:17, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

the gift of laughter is always highly prized ;) --Honestmistake 15:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


I just noticed that, as I accidentally deleted the category designations from the AH wiki page, you added them back. Just thought that I'd thank you for that.
Keep em swingin'
Hardcore Rockabilly, Retired FAE Axes High AH RR RRF

Sig help

I didn't have any spaces after my noinclude tag, but I just took out the navigator template on that subpage and it seems to be fixed now. Thanks for the help. --Pestolence(talk) 16:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh... ;) Well, thanks again then. See you. --Pestolence(talk) 17:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm curious..

"It's already led to at least one significant speech change.", Could you please cite that? I'm curious.. 00:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Only 50 people in any one area can hear you talk. Used to be everyone did. It was changed in response to Stanstock.--Karekmaps?! 03:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Permabanned Users

So, I know you are open to reviewing previous vandal banning cases in order to bring them up to date with this policy. Would you mind popping in to discuss it? That way, I think we can avoid the policy and address some users concerns while being fair to those who were previously banned. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 20:57, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll try and add what I can but there's not really much I think I'll be able to contribute for a bit. All I really think needs to be done is create some kind of Ban Review page, say A/BR(Ban Review) that is left mostly to our jurisdiction to create, organize, etc(might be possible without any voted policies now that I think about it, assuming a consensus among Sysops can be reached. I'll open a discussion on that soonish in the admin discussion area). The version I'll probably propose there is a simple two vote system; One vote with a minimum amount of Sysops/Admins willing to accept the ban for review if it is proposed, this would basically be like the three vouches; And one vote for the ban revision done in a method similar to misconduct voting with the goal being to formulate a consensus as to how the user is dealt with. This means if there are strong objections that can't be addressed through compromise the ban stays as is even if the majority is for reduction. That's there for purely practical reasons and I believe it's necessary to get the desired effect but, it would probably fail with that in a policy vote to build a new area.--Karekmaps?! 18:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


Regarding your vote on several user redirect pages i have separated the case into individual cases, if you feel so inclined please recast your vote on each page relevant to how you feel about that particular redirect being kept on the wiki. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.--xoxo 07:49, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


I tried unsuccessfully to find if there was an ongoing discussion about NPOV. My reason for this is the sudden realization that the entire danger map protocol in place is blatantly pro-survivor. - tylerisfat 05:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

You're a quick one. Dangermap isn't exaclty the most heavily relied-on source for cluey kids ^.^ DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 06:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Try SIM or External Military for more reliable data.--xoxo 07:10, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
There have been a number of discussions on NPOV, none of which came to a successful conclusion -- boxy talkteh rulz 07:32 26 October 2008 (BST)

I'm sorry, I think most people have misunderstood. Its not the INFO or reporting or whatever that is NPOV, its the PROTOCOL. It makes reference that Zombies are the dangerous ones, and that Survivors are the safe ones. Its based off an entirely slanted survivor view. - tylerisfat 08:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it is. That's the way it's always been, however assuming it's accurate (it's not) you can interpret the info to the situation relevant to a zombie. If you want a page with no slant try SIM.--xoxo 08:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

D This is the type of thing I like to see, cheers for being on the ball guys.--Karekmaps?! 18:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


Why'd you delete DDR? It's on A/D, it's gotten keep votes and been moved from A/SD it's not some magic crit that can skip A/SD. So yeah, thought i'd check. P.S it's only even a crit 3 coz you made it that way.--xoxo 00:52, 25 October 2008 (BST)

Yes, do you actually have any right whatsoever to modify my signature? You could have just asked. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 03:13, 25 October 2008 (BST)

A Note Before Commenting

You know what I hate, what I just despise?

Long time users who have seen and been involved in past dramas on the administrative pages -- that know full well what happens during, in reaction to, and after those dramas -- claiming they can avoid a soft warning because they didn't see it. Claiming that, even if that were true, they didn't know anyone was getting warned for it when it went so far as major administrative pages being protected. Claiming that they don't know full and well that they shouldn't have started doing that in the first place, acting like the soft warning is actually directly relevant to whether or not they can get an escalation for it. It's Not.

If you know better than to perform the drama but need to be reminded to avoid an escalation. That's the original sysop's perogative, however if it comes up again that's also irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you saw the warning, it doesn't matter if you knew about the warning, what matters is if you knew what you were doing was against the rules and has been punished in the past.

Don't comment here if you want to argue with me about that. If I say it's extremely reasonable that you saw the warning it probably is, I don't generally rule escalations without doing legwork first. If I say I think you're feigning ignorance claiming you really were ignorant won't change that, I can't think someone I believe knowledgeable is actually the opposite unless they show it, and I usually place you in that position if I know you've been around for over a year and have seen/participated in enough. I also don't rule unless I'm fairly certain it's right; if I am ruling vandalism there's usually not just one main reason to it you can dispute, disprove, and change my mind on, I consider the user, their contributions, and what is expected knowledge of proper behavior in the circumstances. Then I rule. If I'm ruling tentatively I say it, if I don't perform escalations/actions right then and there it's because I'm waiting to be backed up on the decision because it's controversial, not because I don't believe there's a chance it shouldn't be done.

Hopefully saying that now, here, will save us all some time in the not so distant future. Then again, maybe it won't.--Karekmaps?! 18:49, 24 October 2008 (BST)

A Formerly Witty Header

honestly, what the fuck is all your problem/s with those pages? They are useful and entirely harmless. Server space is a dime a fucking dozen and no one is inconvienienced by them. At least your methods are more amusing than bobs, but yeah serious question. --xoxo 12:32, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Crit 6 is Crit 6. It's the only one I deleted and Crit 6 isn't subject to voting.--Karekmaps?! 12:44, 24 October 2008 (BST)
Please answer the question. It's been there for over 6 months since the deletion (made by finis, i wonder why?) and the fact that policy says you can delete it doesn't mean you should without reason. So I'm curious as to what your reason is. No you don't have to tell me but i'd really like to know why you think having that page is a detriment to the wiki.--xoxo 12:50, 24 October 2008 (BST)
The reason is because it's crit 6, that's full, official, and complete. You want the page back go through undeletions like your supposed to, and give a good reason why it should exist otherwise the request will be denied.--Karekmaps?! 13:01, 24 October 2008 (BST)
You're kidding right? Man you've lost sight, this is a community wiki. Those policies exist so they can be used when required. I'm not even trying to tell you it's not required. I just want to know why you think it was. If you have no opinion about the validity of the page and merely deleted it because the policy told you to, you really need to...i don't even know...--xoxo 13:06, 24 October 2008 (BST)
ZOMG MOD CONSPIRACIE. It's Matthew Fahrenheit all over again, only somehow even more whiny. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 13:07, 24 October 2008 (BST)
My view on those pages is that unless it's a special case(Kevan, AHLG, etc.) they shouldn't be kept. DDR isn't one of those cases, I'm half tempted to claim AHLG isn't either because while it is long(which means probably commonly used) it's abbreviated letters, which are constantly used for Group names, thus the Crit 3 problem arises. Ron Burgandy, Nallan, and J3d simply have no reason to exist and I would vote delete on them if it came to that. I would also point out that I'm of a mind with Cyberbob in not seeing your keeps as valid there because they are driven by self interest, I won't act unilaterally on that but, you're not voting keep because you see a use for the page you're voting keep because it's your page. And I'm pretty sure there's precedent for ignoring those.--Karekmaps?! 13:13, 24 October 2008 (BST)
Okay thanks. In the process of all this Jen came forward and said she finds such pages useful, and i'm sure there's many other people who feel the same one. I don't care particularly about my one, but DDR i use regularly, if that counts as self interest then yeah, that's my motivation. Perhaps those abbreviations should be seperated on the deletions page. --xoxo 13:16, 24 October 2008 (BST)

This brought a smile to my face. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 13:02, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Karek, I wish I had the time right now to add my own wall of text to this lovely shit storm over these redirects, but I will just add that I think all of those redirects should be deleted. I added something to the A/D page on it, but I can't do any more right now. If you delete them I'm completely behind you on it. --– Nubis NWO 14:32, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Wow. I love how your comment provides no explaination or reasoning. Very insightful. Whoop, scrath that. You did provide reasoning, it was just BS. "User pages should not have a redirect at all." Why not? If a user, and one who does a lot of work around the wiki, wants to make a redirect, why not let him? Because then "all user pages should have them and there is no way in hell that will fly". Well, no. Not everyone can be bothered. But there are a few who can, so why not let them? It does no harm, allows ease of access, and if thats what it takes to get a bit more community involvement rather than the typical sysop dictatorship, then I'm all for it. And now I await the expected "They're not needed" retort that doesn't argue a single point combined with a general "You know nothing about sysops or the wiki!" Btw, I am prepared to concede the point if you can provide one valid point without resorting to bickering. --Scurley7 14:40, 24 October 2008 (BST)
Nubis, Jed voted keep for nick, nick voted keep for jed, some other people voted keep for DDR. Despite their relation to each other on this wiki, they are well within the rights to do what they did. If they find a loophole, they find a loophole. It is a flaw in the system that we have to deal with.--User:Sexylegsread 14:42, 24 October 2008 (BST)
No it isn't. In cases like these sysops are able to ignore the loopholes and act within the spirit of the rules rather than the exact letter. This is often where most of the drama crops up; everybody has a different opinion as to just what the spirit of the rule in question is. Many (usually the parties who stand to either lose or gain from the outcome of the argument) push the position that the loophole must be exploited. These people generally lose. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 15:03, 24 October 2008 (BST)
You would know all about that amirite?.--User:Sexylegsread 15:07, 24 October 2008 (BST)
LULZ GOOD ONE :HIHFIVES:--/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 01:39, 25 October 2008 (BST)
We've been deleting those redirects for 3 years now. At this point it's more about why should these get special consideration than why they should be deleted but, even then, they're essentially dead redirects. Crit 9 is as old as Speedy Deletion and it has been used in this manner just as long. It's a maintenance issue and really I don't know what more reason is needed than that they serve no real purpose, it's good enough for all other SD crits.--Karekmaps?! 15:29, 24 October 2008 (BST)
Don't get me wrong here, I disagree with the need for Jed and Nick to have a redirect. It is just their names. It is stupid, imo. I think that people whose names are elongated, should be able to have a redirect. It helps with editing, whenever I post a link to DanceDanceRevolution, it is just much faster typing out DDR, as opposed to his whole name. So I am for the abbreviated versions of longer names, but I don't agree with the need for J3D or Nallan to have them, it is just self indulgence. I made this point earlier to them, and they ended up seeing both sides of it. I just believe that if they have it, then why can't everyone else? It would become redundant--User:Sexylegsread 15:36, 24 October 2008 (BST).
Also, I don't think you should be editing DDRs sig...thats a user page...--User:Sexylegsread 15:40, 24 October 2008 (BST)
And he shouldn't have added them to it so he could claim usage falsely. There are limits to user page sovereignty.--Karekmaps?! 15:44, 24 October 2008 (BST)
So why are you going into Gnomes and Charlies pages (even Archived pages) to change posts....shouldn't you leave them as they are, considering they are not on speedy deletions right now, they are on normal deletions?--User:Sexylegsread 15:46, 24 October 2008 (BST)
Yeah I don't think you can do that Karek.--Nallan (Talk) 01:10, 25 October 2008 (BST)
It was getting deleted either way, this killed two birds with one stone by making a near unused redirect completely unused and by preserving the links regardless of the result of any actions.--Karekmaps?! 01:12, 25 October 2008 (BST)

Well I'm glad to see it served your interests, but it's still wrong.--Nallan (Talk) 01:15, 25 October 2008 (BST)

Mostly it's that right now I don't feel like explaining myself to more people who are going to ignore it anyway. And at this point I believe that's exactly what will happen.--Karekmaps?! 01:24, 25 October 2008 (BST)
Does that mean i'm not getting a reply to "Ummm..." at the top of your talk page? --xoxo 01:29, 25 October 2008 (BST)
I'm sure I've probably commented on it somewhere before if you're up for a lot of reading and searching but, no, probably not.--Karekmaps?! 01:30, 25 October 2008 (BST)
kk, i'll stop refreshing RC waiting for one then :P --xoxo 01:43, 25 October 2008 (BST)

This brought a smile to my face. All of it.--/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 01:39, 25 October 2008 (BST)

gtfo.--Nallan (Talk) 01:42, 25 October 2008 (BST)
This would be your page, would it? I'm just assuming so because obviously you wouldn't be trying to dictate who can and cannot post on someone else's page. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 01:45, 25 October 2008 (BST)
oh wow, the failure of Nallan's post upgraded my smile to a boner--/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 01:51, 25 October 2008 (BST)

Can we change the header of this conversation, please. There is no need to have swearing plastered all over recent changes (feel free to continue it in here though) -- boxy talkteh rulz 01:47 25 October 2008 (BST)

Done but, I did find the last one somewhat amusing.--Karekmaps?! 01:52, 25 October 2008 (BST)


Are you going to do it or do we have to sort this out in arbitration? --Midianian|T|DS|C:RCS| 10:16, 21 October 2008 (BST)

Image deletions

So. have you managed to delete the last 3? If so? Can you tell me how? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:48, 18 October 2008 (BST)

Deleting the pages isn't a problem, the problem is it doesn't remove them from the special lists.--Karekmaps?! 18:48, 18 October 2008 (BST)
Which is why I can still see the image If i go here? (As in the actual image and not just its name.) --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:52, 18 October 2008 (BST)
Yes and no, I think you just gave me the answer to why the hell deleting doesn't work :D.--Karekmaps?! 18:54, 18 October 2008 (BST)
Me and nubis tried to delete them when we were sorting out categories. We tried reuploading the same image and redeleting, all kinds of stuff. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:59, 18 October 2008 (BST)
The problem is that they have special chars in their file names that can't be seen and are getting automatically changed/removed. %E2%80%8E(You can see it on the path description[Bottom left of the browser] for the desc link).--Karekmaps?! 19:01, 18 October 2008 (BST)
And thats why you're a sysop :-) --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:04, 18 October 2008 (BST)
But he would be a super sysop if he could fix it!--– Nubis NWO 18:58, 23 October 2008 (BST)
There was something mentioned somewhere about how to delete special pages. I'll see if I can find it.--Karekmaps?! 19:08, 23 October 2008 (BST)
Would it be worth it to add something to the Welcome Newbie template about not creating pages/images with special characters in them? I don't know if anyone bothers to read that, but I feel like we should put that information out there somewhere. It's too bad we can't edit the upload page or the create new page page.--– Nubis NWO 19:15, 23 October 2008 (BST)
No, it's currently blocked by the wiki software. However I did manage to find this useful page. I'm not sure how many of those special cases are blocked beyond unicode.--Karekmaps?! 20:42, 23 October 2008 (BST)
Found this, I wonder if this will actually work here.--Karekmaps?! 16:07, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Great Fire ambiguity

Hey as one of the wikizens around here that has a background with ALiM projects that goes back before the purge, we'd greatly appreciate if you went here and testified. We are asking for witnesses who can confirm the fact that the page, Great Fire of 1912 was indeed created by and largely moderated by myself and User:J3D. The task of claiming our creation over the page is complicated by the fact that no history is available to back up our claim due to the history purge. Thanks for you time.--Nallan (Talk) 08:12, 11 October 2008 (BST)

There's a question that it was you guys that created it? I remember when you did it because of the arbitration case shortly before over cockburn. These links might be able to help your case though.--Karekmaps?! 10:09, 11 October 2008 (BST)
Yes I remember it well, karek. Good, good times... Well we've brought those links forward. Not sure if cyberbob wants to keep pushing the case though. We shall see.--Nallan (Talk) 10:16, 11 October 2008 (BST)


To make this as fair and equitable as possible, please vote on the decision being rendered here. I noticed an edit within the span of Grims case and thought I'd drop a link. Conndrakamod TAZM CFT 06:01, 7 October 2008 (BST)

I actually just got back today and might be leaving again soon. I'm, uhm, working on getting set up so that isn't an issue like it is now though.--Karekmaps?! 08:57, 11 October 2008 (BST)

In regard to your post on Kevans talk page regarding the whole Grim debacle and the role of the petition you may not have noticed this...

"As the "idiot" who started this part of the thread i would like to point out that it was a call for community opinion. I cannot start a vote on the issue as I have no right to rule on a misconduct case... what I can do is open a space for the rest of the community to make its opinion known in a clear and concise way so that the sysops who wield the power on our behalf (allegedly) can follow the will of the community at large. A public vote that is open to all is the only fair "punishment" for this case that I can see. The issue itself is fairly petty and hardly worth more than a warning let alone a ban or demotion. The wider issue of community trust cannot be ruled by Sysops and currently cannot be enforced by the community either. At the very least a clear call by us (the community) on whether we would like the chance to judge our elected representatives is long over due. That is what this is, nothing more and nothing less. Read carefully next time... I am not holding a vote, I am asking for a show of community support for one as I frankly think any decision made solely by the sysop team is going to cause nothing but drama and ill-will!"

However feel free to take me to A/VB if you really want to... you would be attacking the wrong person if you did though.--Honestmistake 14:24, 11 October 2008 (BST)


I thought I'd give you a shout about this since you said you'd be less active. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:43, 22 September 2008 (BST)

You're up again, don't ask why. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)

meh.--Karekmaps?! 10:10, 11 October 2008 (BST)


That's neat what you've done. The borders are working in Safari. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:53, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Safari and Google Chrome. They're webkit based browsers. There's a way to do it in Opera and, I think, IE8 but I don't have those browsers and can't check to make sure it's working.--Karekmaps?! 03:54, 5 September 2008 (BST)
Bleigh, don't bother with IE, seriously. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:58, 5 September 2008 (BST)
It's 80% of the tubes. That being said at least some of the templates I rounded looked better without it.--Karekmaps?! 04:00, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Totally unrelated, but um. Not August. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 05:53, 5 September 2008 (BST)

You can make the page :P. It's not complicated, just do it as if you were making a new page in he Archive and then change the inclusion calls.--Karekmaps?! 06:37, 5 September 2008 (BST)


Is there supposed to be a red link at the bottom of A/VB? --Pedentic 04:05, 1 September 2008 (BST)

It's because the page hasn't been created yet, so nothing is being called. I'm not entirely sure what to do, especially with the unfinished case. *poke*--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:51, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Thanks for the Face Rot feedback

I didn't think about recruiting. Could it be more viable if it didn't affect zombies seeing profiles? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:50, 31 August 2008 (BST)

A whole bunch of wiki questions

I don't mean to bother you, but as I am having trouble finding a bunch of stuff, and you seem to have been around for ages, that maybe you would know some of these answers. First, I am looking for a list of URL commands to use to play the game, but I can't find anywhere that holds the entire stash on them and also couldn't find any keywords to get the job done. Do you know if there are any such documents? I know some users have done stuff with URLs before, but I don't remember who they were. also, I would like to suggest a couple changes to voting done on the wiki, but I don't knwo how to suggest policy changes. How do I go about this? Thanks for any help. Sorry to bother you.--Kolechovski 21:22, 28 August 2008 (BST)

If you mean things like ?rise you can find a list here, if you mean external links like maps and FF extensions you can find a list here. Voting Policy is determined in various areas, I don't know of a way to change voting on Policies aside from through a policy in A/PD and would not actually recommend it as I don't think policy voting needs changing. For voting on suggestions you can suggest new policies to how it's handled here.--Karekmaps?! 21:46, 28 August 2008 (BST)

Hey, thanks a lot. Those were quite helpful. I did remember one more question. Ther is some stuff, basically random snippets that I'd like to archive on some empty part of the wiki with an easy way to link to it. Is there a way for me to do that? Just to help me keep track of some lengthy stuff. Thanks!--Kolechovski 21:37, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Is Airborne88 Back At It Again?

I was looking at the recent changes...well recently, and I noticed Airborne88 was back to putting the newbie template obsessivly on new peoples pages. This time he is indeed putting them on new users talks, but he is adding A LOT. I counted thirteen grouped together at one time on the recent changes page. I don't want to start anything, but I'd thought I'd let you know that he may be back to his old ways even though he said he's stop. Of course maybe I am completely wrong.--SirArgo Talk 01:23, 28 August 2008 (BST)

The problem wasn't him welcoming newbies it was him welcoming people who obviously weren't new. Thank you for being concerned enough to check though :) --Karekmaps?! 01:51, 28 August 2008 (BST)
No problem. I just thought I'd let you know.--SirArgo Talk 01:59, 28 August 2008 (BST)


Hi Karek. Nice to see you are still alive and kicking. Sorry I ruffled you feathers with welcome newbie template. Don't worry, I will get bored and not log in for another 3 months very soon. Anything need any real editing? I have not been keeping up with current events on the wiki.--Airborne88Zzz1.JPGT|Z.Quiz|PSS 02:55, 19 August 2008 (BST)


It is the primary target of all of these vandalism attacks. Can you temporarily protected until these attacks subside?--SirArgo Talk 01:46, 19 August 2008 (BST)

I will do what I need to when I believe I need to do it. Right now I don't see a need to do this.--Karekmaps?! 01:47, 19 August 2008 (BST)

Strike meh plz

yeah.--xoxo 09:14, 18 August 2008 (BST)

Proxy Blocking

I noticed you have recently blocked a lot of proxies with the atribute "anon. only" enabled, you do realise that this still allows that IP to log-in and edit under a user account?--The General T Sys U! P! F! 17:21, 14 August 2008 (BST)

I do(realized it right after I did it), and I realized I'd have to go back and reblock them all. But at least for right now it is a bit of a deterent to banned users.--Karekmaps?! 02:42, 15 August 2008 (BST)
OK. Mind if I help?--The General T Sys U! P! F! 10:40, 15 August 2008 (BST)
Not at all, there should be a few thousand that need this(go back in the block list history a little to see the rest).--Karekmaps?! 15:12, 15 August 2008 (BST)


{{SNRV|X}} needs date stamps on the talk:suggestion page so others can delete them when they come due. Thanks. -User:Nubis

I didn't know what to put for the header. Hey, I missed the drama shit storm over the IP addys on A/VB, but if someone actually posted IPs on there shouldn't we ban them for violation of the Wiki Privacy Policy? It has very specific guidelines on when IPs can be released and none of those conditions were met. If one of us had posted them we would be Misconducted and hopefully demoted/banned since the privacy policy is more serious than just wiki posting policies. You can't post personal information about someone in "good faith". If you agree and think we should pursue this let me know. If I am reading it all correctly most of this mess is over a chatbox that was spammed? What does that even have to do with the wiki? --– Nubis NWO 03:12, 13 August 2008 (BST)

The privacy policy only relates to information gathered through the Urban Dead Wiki, and not through other means (such as external sites, which is the case in this instance). Unless I missed something, there isn't any official policy restricting what information can, and can not be posted (although there is a way to get rid of the information, if requested). I personally would say this is a grey area, TotalMacho posted IP addresses, but he didn't associate it to anyone in particular, he just said he suspected it was the cult. Until the point that someone associated the IP with a specific name there was no breach of privacy. It's like getting a list of birth dates, useless unless you know who they belong to. In addition, taking the post in context, revealing the IPs doesn't seem to have been for malicious purposes.
Imagine, in the future if someone gave an IP of people who were spamming a related site to warn Sysops (say spamming a groups forums from then would that be considered bad faith? (Note, it's Urbandeads server IP =P) Remember, there is no requirement to provide an e-mail so it may be impossible to contact all of the sysops without using the wiki. Anyway, just some food for thought. - Jedaz - 03:56/13/08/2008
More or less a gray area. I didn't do that this time because it's very high profile and serves as a universal warning to everyone that it is against the rules and I think that for now it's enough. In any future cases I will definitely be doing escalations.--Karekmaps?! 05:41, 13 August 2008 (BST)
For clarification, is this a universal warning about revealing IP addresses, or for associating them with an undesired action, or with a user? There are cases which I can imagine revealing an IP address to be benifical, although the wiki would be a lousy way to share this information. (By the way, you may want to check out A/VB and do something, seems like another alt is about) - Jedaz - 05:51/13/08/2008
Associating with a user and/or revealing them. If it's a proxy it's not a big deal, if it's a real person that's a different matter. It's all problematic and an area we don't need to be getting into and trying to regulate.--Karekmaps?! 05:59, 13 August 2008 (BST)
Jedaz, you kind of missed the point I was making. I think we should "outlaw" the posting of any personal information (that covers the gambit from names to IPs and yes, even birthdays). Things like that really have no place on a RP wiki about a zombie game. There is no reason for a regular user to post IPs (or any information about any other user). If the IPs are spamming the wiki the sysops will already have that information via checkuser. If they are spamming something else the wiki has no authority over it anyway.(your example about a warning doesn't work because no sysop would pro-actively block an IP that wasn't a proxy) So why allow them to post it? Just because that IP is bothering them off the wiki over a game related incident it still doesn't belong on here. Allowing that information to be posted just opens it up to be abused. What if lurkers abuse the information posted here? We don't want to get involved in anything like that. --– Nubis NWO 13:39, 13 August 2008 (BST)

Skill pages +MS Paint = Minor Fail

Hows this?

User:Rosslessness/Random Rambling/Sandbox2 --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:26, 7 August 2008 (BST)

Is it Jade Goody in that picture? O_o -- Cheese 20:27, 7 August 2008 (BST)
Id pity the poor zombie who would have to drag that. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:20, 8 August 2008 (BST)
Looks good.--Karekmaps?! 12:45, 8 August 2008 (BST)
User:Rosslessness/Random Rambling/Sandbox4 Done another. I just realised I have no idea if gatehouses have doors. (Ok I admit it. Ive been playing a year and Ive only been to a fort once). --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:20, 8 August 2008 (BST)
I don't think so, no. Try Forts.--Karekmaps?! 17:31, 8 August 2008 (BST)

OK. Im off to try and do them all, so ill stop pestering you.

Except. I was thinking of putting this up for Historical voting, but i cant find any survivor accounts, as such its pretty ZPOV. Any suggestions? The Fall of Monroeville Mall --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:30, 9 August 2008 (BST)

I don't think Monroeville stuff should be historical, historical is currently only set up to handle the one city and Monroeville obviously didn't live up to its potential of teaching survivors how to survive because they didn't have to work at it until the last week of that city being open.--Karekmaps?! 17:12, 10 August 2008 (BST)
Frankly its the only thing that id deem historical in its enitre life. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:36, 10 August 2008 (BST)

Wrong footery

Hey Karek, sorry about wasting your time with all my Crabapples antics - just getting my sea legs here on the ol' wiki. Just want to let you know that I'm not actually a dick, and that you can expect little to no more drama from me. Sorry again! Blackboard 13:28, 7 August 2008 (BST)

Heh, you never know just what drama being involved in ALiM can get you in BB... :P --xoxo 13:36, 7 August 2008 (BST)
Ha - well, at least that can be viewed as - at worst - only minimally constructive, as it does add some semblance of order to the wiki. Mine was a useless maxor flame war!! which, while amusing to me, doesn't need to draw the time and energy of people with better things to do... Also, Karek, I'm yoinking some of your templates to beautify my dull page - thanks! Blackboard 14:09, 7 August 2008 (BST)

Missing content

Any idea what's going on here? The page looks like a crit 1, but when I edit the page, there is content there. Found it via an image that has just appeared on unused images -- boxy talki 10:16 7 August 2008 (BST)

Should be fixed now. When that happens just click edit and save.(has something to do with special characters I think as all pages with that error have the question mark diamond)--Karekmaps?! 13:32, 7 August 2008 (BST)
Thanks. Weird that it only just went invisible now, after more than a year -- boxy talki 03:53 8 August 2008 (BST)

trolling alert

Hi Karek. Firstly, thanks for the defnse against the vandal charge.... secondly, the bloke ([user:blackboard])we were having the discussion with won't stop adding waffle on our talk page, despite threats of vandal reportage: We've told him we don't want him there anymore, and we'll play in his back yard if he wants, but he won't go away! Can we a) report him for vandalism b)just delete any additional posts c) delete half the discussion anyway or d) anything else? The initial issue was resolved ages ago......

Cheers, --Crabappleslegalteam 09:42, 6 August 2008 (BST)

B would be the best option, just remove anything he adds to your page without commenting on it.--Karekmaps?! 10:15, 6 August 2008 (BST)
I'll go with that - thanks Karek!--Crabappleslegalteam 21:48, 6 August 2008 (BST)

Scent Death and Hordes suggestion comment.

The benefit to ferals vastly outweighs the benefit to survivors. I think quite well demonstrates that survivors are NOT putting forth effort to use Scent Death in any intelligence gathering capacity. Moreover, a zombie group that cared about not being detected in this fashion could easily avoid it. Either they could fan out so there is not a concentration of them, or they could change their group entries so each one was unique, but still identified the group they are in. Swiers 04:50, 5 August 2008 (BST)

Makes me wonder which game you've been playing. Scent Death isn't any more beneficial to ferals in this case, it's irrelevant information which zombies are in which groups when they aren't in your own. You're suggesting to preserve anonimity zombies need to lose all bonuses they gain from size and cooperation, and you don't see a problem with that?--Karekmaps?! 05:36, 5 August 2008 (BST)
Its only irrelevant if you already are in a group, or otherwise metagame a lot. However, for the average new-ish player, figuring out what zombie group to join can actually be somewhat of a challenge. This ability would be like the server going "hey, there's this zombie group right near you, maybe you should join it?" every time you use scent death.
And no, I'm not saying zombies need to give up any tactical advantage. How would every member of group "Foo" changing thier group memership to "Foo (character id#)" change their tactics any? Yes, they WOULD vanish from the tats page, but that doesn't loose any bonuses from size an co-operation. Nor does spreading out a bit before logging off, really. And even if they DON'T do those things, they do not give up anomynity. You can't contact list them, target them, etc. All you'd know is the name of a zombie group that had some zombies at a given location- hardly info zombie groups need to conceal, and generally info the ADVERTISE. SIM Core Map.png Swiers 06:21, 5 August 2008 (BST)
It's only relevant if you want to lead a group. For everything else we have the suburb group listings, recruitment, the stats page, and Malton News. Strangely more people joined groups when zombie anonymity was far more restrictive as far as finding out who did what goes, so forgive me if I don't think that's a valid reason.--Karekmaps?! 06:39, 5 August 2008 (BST)
It's usually pretty obvious where large zombie hordes are, The MOB even actively provide that info. Also, from a newbies view all hordes are pretty much the same and if you don't metagame you might just wanna join the one that you are right near (natural zombie behaviour IRL) rather than track down a specific horde you found on the wiki.--xoxo 08:39, 6 August 2008 (BST)


While that is true the suggestion went through a vote, I do NOT believe it should count as a dupe. Undecided means the suggestion HAS merit, just not in the form of the suggestion at the time it was placed for voting. Your basically saying any suggestion that went to undecided is, effectively, the same as if it went peer rejected. Peer rejected suggestions have no chance of making it. Undecided does. How are suggestions from undecided supposed to be, well, decided on if one just says "dupe". Is that not the point of the undecided category? It is there for a reason. We might as well get rid of the category and simply say that ANY suggestion that doesn't not reach peer review should automatically go to peer rejected, regardless of how the votes end up.--Pesatyel 04:48, 5 August 2008 (BST)

Undecided means that it wasn't good enough and needs revising, spamming suggestions that get undecided until they make it through with a slim majority is the type of thing Duping is in place to prevent. Any suggestion that isn't significantly different from an already voted suggestion shouldn't be voted on ad nauseum because x user thinks the kill voters are sleeping.--Karekmaps?! 05:32, 5 August 2008 (BST)
There IS also the possibility that either significant changes in the game and/or the voting population of the wiki could warrant the suggestion being reproposed "as is" or with minor changes.--Pesatyel 05:50, 10 August 2008 (BST)
The first possibly(read has only happened once, headshot), the second no. All the second means is you're trying to get around the balance aspect of the voting by rehashing the vote when you know one side won't be represented, which is part of why dupe removal exists. If the change was called for in the previous voting as the major reason for it's failure and that change is added in the new version it's obviously not a dupe. I'm talking real changes though, not the insignificant kind Jon Pyre has a habit of making to claim things aren't dupes.--Karekmaps?! 17:10, 10 August 2008 (BST)

User Page Brokeness

Hi, I thought I'ld let you know that your user page has content out of the normal page area since the edit of the 7th of June. I noticed it since it hid the information bar which usually appears at the bottom of the page. In addition when comparing diffs, with a date after (and including) the 7th of June, the contents of the user page cover the diff content, as you should know this is breaking the policy which prohibits page content outside of the normal page area. If you require screen shots to help fix this issue let me know. For your reference I'm using IE7. I have not tested to see if this issue is replicated in Fire Fox. - Jedaz - 02:03/5/08/2008

I don't think that's the type of thing that policy was created to prevent but it shouldn't do it anymore.--Karekmaps?! 03:28, 5 August 2008 (BST)
Yep, it's fixed. I took the policy by what it said literally since the definition is clear and concise, plus there aren't many ways to interpret it. Anyway, thanks for you time. - Jedaz - 05:07/5/08/2008


In response to that link on Cheesy's talk page, what do you think of a sort-of civility policy that would apply (only) to A/VB and A/M? Nothing censorship and the like, just general conduct by users on those pages. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:02, 3 August 2008 (BST)

Common sense is a great civility policy. All insulting them with comments like "Grow a pair" does is encourage them to continue in that vein.(Izumi). I don't think it needs a policy so much as forming a general consensus among the sysops that that's not the way to do it.--Karekmaps?! 16:07, 3 August 2008 (BST)
I would like that to be the way, but it just won't happen. It will just be ignored and become useless like every other guideline on the wiki. The idea behind this policy is to create a better environment for those pages and possibly enforce it in extreme cases. I know what this wiki needs is a behavior change, but common sense, guidelines... they don't seem to work. Something that people voted on and discussed would be much better, even if the policy does fail. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:17, 3 August 2008 (BST)
I don't think cementing it in policy will work, I'd go so far as to say that the only real solution is social(don't do it because you'll be criticized for it, blamed for the results, and show that it causes problems), anything else would just shift the animosity.--Karekmaps?! 16:27, 3 August 2008 (BST)
We have a bad wiki environment, social is plausible but I don't see it working in the next 10 years on this wiki... and only if some few problematic users shape up or leave. I won't deny that a good user base attitude would fix things though, but with current trends I don't see it happening. I think I'll give the policy a try, might be a bit easier if you could read it... later in a one of my user sub pages. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:39, 3 August 2008 (BST)
I'll be back in a bit, another fool thinks he knows about the Nalikill cases and thinks they prove soft warnings are abusable. Of course he didn't even bother checking the information of the cited cases before making his claims, that burden falls on me(can't you tell how thrilled I am?).--Karekmaps?! 16:53, 3 August 2008 (BST)
Yes, I can see you're a little pre-occupied. No worries. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:56, 3 August 2008 (BST)
I need to clear something up actually. Are you talking about all users or just Sysops because, right now I'm just concerned about Sysops knowing better. We can work on everyone else later.--Karekmaps?! 17:50, 3 August 2008 (BST)
Both, although the main idea was about sysops. Things like this precisely (last line). --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:24, 6 August 2008 (BST)

You haz a fan

User:Karec--xoxo 06:28, 2 August 2008 (BST)

Yay!.--Karekmaps?! 09:05, 2 August 2008 (BST)

Scout map

Hey, I was wondering how things were going with that scouting map that's on your home page. I've got a maxed level survivor who makes his home in Dulston, and once you get things up and running, i'd love to scout for it. Tylerisfat 09:02, 28 July 2008 (BST)

It's been sidetracked for a while, although I might end up working on it again someday.--Karekmaps?! 13:28, 29 July 2008 (BST)

Historical Axes High Page

I created the Historic AH page to save the old pre-DEM AH page as a record of a period of the group's history that is distinctly different from the current group. However, you listed it as a "Defunct Group", when it is not, in fact, defunct. Would you mind removing it from this listing? --Hardcore Rockabilly 07:42, 28 July 2008 (BST)

It's in the historical groups template, everything in that category should in fact be defunct or it shouldn't be in that category(or it should go the route of LUE and remove the template that says it's no longer active when they become active again). The page isn't protected so you can do the necessairy changes. --Karekmaps?! 13:27, 29 July 2008 (BST)

Vandal warning striking

Here you struck a warning of DCC's citing this policy. However, unless I'm reading this wrong, the policy states that "If a user has more than two vandal escalations, the first escalation struck shall be the second warning, followed by the bans in descending order of severity (If any), and finishing in the first warning."

You struck the first one in a seemingly obvious breach of policy. Explainings? -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 02:07, 26 July 2008 (BST)

Ugh. I wrote that particular chunk prior to that policy and thats not what it meant. It just means you lose a warning, then the bans. Give it up Iscariot. While i can understand what you are doing and why, Nitpicking wont make anything better for anyone. --The Grimch U! E! 02:16, 26 July 2008 (BST)


Thanks for the heads up & fixes on those pages. I changed the links so that now it runs more smoothly. --Sir WV 18:28, 23 July 2008 (BST)

The Battle of SantLUEville iwitness reports

I remember you being there and posting some of your iwitnesses at the Dribbling Beavers' old board, but that's gone now, or at least I can't find them.

If you can find yours and wouldn't mind, they'd make nice visual evidence for the SantLUEville article. Thanks.--Insomniac By Choice 12:15, 23 July 2008 (BST)

I'll see if I can find them but it probably won't be simple because of the db stuff that happened over at iwitness.--Karekmaps?! 12:54, 23 July 2008 (BST)
Actually, scroll down about half the page and someone found a bunch of them that should prove really helpful, especially for seeing the situation from the survivor side. A lot of those are yours, so thanks again. I don't do much with these, so what's the best way to get these onto the wiki and into the article? I imagine the files don't upload as they are, and I rather do more than just link them in case something happens to the iwitness site.--Insomniac By Choice 01:35, 24 July 2008 (BST)
Linking and/or taking screenshots of them.--Karekmaps?! 02:53, 24 July 2008 (BST)


You're no fun, you know that. :P --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:17, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Yes, but I did manage to get the 200+ Uncategorized Categories down to about 25 or so prime categories, so my fun died for a truly noble cause.--Karekmaps?! 21:18, 14 July 2008 (BST)
I recognized your noble sacrifice when you agreed to convert to robot for the greater good of the wiki. Just don't point out the category to any other Tikhoners or there might be a fuss. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:21, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Mildly off topic, redirects shouldn't have a category, right? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:34, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Probably irrelevant if the redirect works.--Karekmaps?! 21:34, 14 July 2008 (BST)
Er, well here: Humor --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:37, 14 July 2008 (BST)
The redirect works fine for me, although maybe there should just be a Category:Redirects, to keep them off the Special:Uncategorizedpages.--Karekmaps?! 21:39, 14 July 2008 (BST)
Nevermind, been a way too long and you're right, it's irrelevant. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:41, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Suburb History Bot

Such a program is beyond my programming capabilities. The bot would either have to print-screen from my browser (Which is IE, and thus looks different to most of the current sceenshots anyway) and I haven't the fainest idea how to go about that. Or it would have to interpret the HTML itself, which is also beyond my knowledge and probably beyond my motivational limits. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 18:30, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Ah, well that sucks.--Karekmaps?! 20:38, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Just wondering

I'm sure it was you who removed Cyberbobs ridiculous "baw" comment off of the promotions page, but is he really entitled to replace it? To me it just seems as if it is obvious bad faith, especially since it deleted a different users vouch (since been restored). Just wondering, really.--User:Sexylegsread 09:31, 14 July 2008 (BST)

I doubt deleting the vouch was intentional. He was willing to compromise and it's no longer making it overly difficult to read the page, so I'd say just leave it be.--Karekmaps?! 09:32, 14 July 2008 (BST)
Oh ok, I wasn't of the impression that the deleting of the vouch was intentional, just wondering about the baw bit really. Thanks anyway--User:Sexylegsread 09:35, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Cry mich ein river, "Sexy". --brb, church DORIS CGR U! 10:02, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Ruin Building Watch

Instead of just blanket deleting it without telling me, could you instead first tell me where it SHOULD go, so I would have deleted it myself and put it in the appropriate place?

So since you deleted it with a comment that I should ask, I'm asking you now. Where should I put this:

Timestamp: Tselita 17:52, 23 June 2008 (BST)
Type: New Wiki Idea
Scope: Everyone
Description: I was thinking of making a wiki page which would be dedicated to keeping track of the repair costs for buildings throughout Malton, separated into repair costs for Dark buildings and repair costs for normal buildings. So far I haven't found there to be -any- cap, so this might make it easier to find out if there is one, in addition to being a good general idea (as is the suburb map reports).

I wasn't sure whether to make this an in-game suggestion or not, but since the wiki could probably do the same thing without increasing the server load a lot (plus I wasn't sure where there would be an equivalent database to Necrotech's database for the zombie spread), that's why I suggested doing it on the wiki.

Basically, it would work by listing all 100 suburbs, and under each suburb it would list the buildings which are currently ruined. Next to it would be a spot to put the current AP cost. If a ruined building is also a Dark building, there would be a D after it.

This does serve a purpose - it would give us a better idea of the caps (if any) that ruined buildings have since the new update, it would give Survivors a better idea of where reclamation efforts should be placed, and would give zombies a better idea of where their strongest defensable locations, so which ruined buildings they should place zombies in in order to make repairing as costly as possible for survivors. Not everything in Urban Dead is going to be shootemup and bite bite bite. Besides, that's a good example of 'scouting' - look and report.


--Tselita 15:15, 24 June 2008 (BST)

Talk:Ruin.--Karekmaps?! 11:54, 25 June 2008 (BST)

Your opinion/advice

This and this. Any ideas on how I can make them better or anything? I can't quite figure out what I should do.--Nallan (Talk) 10:28, 19 June 2008 (BST)

I'm not exactly sure what you want.--Karekmaps?! 10:44, 19 June 2008 (BST)
I dunno I just think they look a bit off. I can't quite figure it out. Just wanted to know if you had an idea of something I could change about one or both of them to make them er... better.--Nallan (Talk) 11:26, 19 June 2008 (BST)


Were you planning on finishing that sentence? --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 10:17, 13 June 2008 (BST)

It was a comment I was making but stopped and apparently forgot to delete. So no.--Karekmaps?! 10:56, 13 June 2008 (BST)


Wow. Thanks for that Template thing. What brings you to my user page? Met Fan 22:25, 9 June 2008 (BST)

Browsing, saw the question.--Karekmaps?! 22:33, 9 June 2008 (BST)


You're welcome to fix my sig then if you like ;) --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 01:27, 8 June 2008 (BST)

Should be done, hope it doesn't cause any problems.--Karekmaps?! 01:44, 8 June 2008 (BST)

Game Update?

I'm getting notifications like "A zombie stood up. (5 hours and 56 minutes ago)" and "PlayerX stood up. (23 hours and 18 minutes ago)". Is this something new, or did I just never notice it before? I figured you might know. --PdeqTalk* 04:44, 4 June 2008 (BST)

It's new. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 05:01, 4 June 2008 (BST)
Ah, the unofficial notes. Thanks. --PdeqTalk* 05:18, 4 June 2008 (BST)

Need to modify User:DangerReport/Ackland Mall

The Rooster and I have been working on some updates to the status list and map over on the Mobile Phone Mast page, and a key element is moving the updates into DangerReport pages, so that the information can be used elsewhere (not just on the one list and map). The process is going well, but in the case of Havercroft's mobile-phone mast, being in the NE corner of Ackland Mall, I wanted to have you check over my code before I make the changes, to make sure it won't interfere with anything else. Here's what the code looks like right now:

|mall=Ackland Mall

<!--Please remember to use a NPOV. Do not delete the user line.-->

==Mall Danger Levels==

[[Category:Mall Danger Levels|Ackland Mall]]

This is what I need to change it to:

|mall=Ackland Mall|type={{{1|1}}}
|disambig=Ackland Mall (NE)|building=Ackland Mall|mast_xy=(33,44)
<!--Please update the mast status based on the conditions in the NE corner!-->

<!--Please remember to use a NPOV. Do not delete the user line.-->

{{Template:Updatedr Ackland mast}}
==Mall Danger Levels==

[[Category:Mall Danger Levels|Ackland Mall]]

If you take a look at my 6th sandbox, you can see what that would look like. In the 7th is a demo of what a standard call ({{User:DangerReport/Ackland Mall}}) would display. In the 8th is what an alternate call ({{User:DangerReport/Ackland Mall|2}}) would result in. I'm almost 100% positive that implementing my proposed code changes will have zero impact on any of the current inclusions of the page. However, since it's such a heavily used page, I'd much rather you vetted the changes first (since you made the last major update, and because MallSwitcher is your template). By the way, where on the wiki are type 2 calls of the malls being made?

Thanks for your time, --Morgan Blair 01:34, 30 May 2008 (BST)

As long as it works with MallSwitcherSwitcher you should be fine, that's the only real functional purpose to the MallSwitcher, for it to work with the second one, or any such variation to allow for development of pages like this one. I do not, however, understand what the goal is of doing it that way, it seems like you could make the alterations you wanted in a third page that you have the report call through, without needing to change, well, anything. I don't really see the point to doing it that way but I doubt there would be any problems from the changes considering that type 1 feeds down the pipe to {{MallStatus}} which wouldn't have values for any of the new variables and that determines what the output would be.--Karekmaps?! 03:31, 30 May 2008 (BST)
Ah, thanks for the idea! For most locations, we're just adding the parameter value of "mast_status", and then the passthrough's for "district" and "suburb" are just handing off the values specified in the call further up. the other added values are for things being pulled from standard (single-location DangerReport pages), but since Ackland Mall is such a unique case for a mast building (the only multi-block building with a mast), I suppose it would be just as easy to put all the static values (in this case) in a separate page like you suggested. That ways, only the "mast_status" value would be added to the mall's Danger Report. Thanks for the nudge in the right direction! --Morgan Blair 07:57, 30 May 2008 (BST)

Akule and the Suggestion Protection

Instead of making a huge chain of links and responses, I figured I would just wipe the old text and put up the new links. Here they are: Suggestion:20080127 Weighed Down v2, Suggestion:20080114 Contact Help, Suggestion:20080112 Follow Groan, and Suggestion:20080111 Baseball Bat Buff. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 23:28, 28 May 2008 (BST)

Please move it to the top too, it's kinda hard to find down here without an anchor link. Also done.--Karekmaps?! 01:51, 29 May 2008 (BST)
Actually I'll move it up.--Karekmaps?! 01:52, 29 May 2008 (BST)


It's been open for about... 3 months and I don't know the procedure for closing it. *poke* --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:28, 28 May 2008 (BST)

UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Historical_Events.--Karekmaps?! 21:32, 28 May 2008 (BST)


Stop hand.png

Your post Thisiswhatyourpostsarelike.gif made someone mad and they whined on the A/VB page about you. Continued behaviour like this may result in getting voted Not Vandalism again and having your wiki editing privileges not altered at all. (looks all official doesn't it?) --– Nubis 14:30, 27 May 2008 (BST)

Color Tags

I just viewed my revision of Talk:Suggestions (and also my talkpage, which uses Template:C, which uses "color: X") through all the skins and the text was red in all of them. To my knowledge, the wiki software doesn't use or do anything to <span> tags (or the "style" attribute inside the tag, or the "color" property inside the attribute). --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 19:55, 25 May 2008 (BST)

I don't know/remember the specifics of it but some skins for whatever reason don't work well with color: but do work with Font color=. It's strange and I have never actually taken the time to understand it.--Karekmaps?! 22:53, 25 May 2008 (BST)
Then this should probably be changed, as it uses the span-style-color thing. Do you know is there an equivalent of "background-color:" for <font>? --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 12:00, 26 May 2008 (BST)
Not that I know of.--Karekmaps?! 02:29, 27 May 2008 (BST)

Possible Sock Puppetry

Reading the Modify Death Status suggestion I noticed a load of new voters. A quick check of their contribution history shows them active for two days at the most, consecutive at that, and with an almost uniform posting style - post description on user page, vote on the same suggestions, go inactive.

The users in question:

  1. I an Iron Man
  2. :Looking For Group
  3. Ohforf'sake Confirmed.
  4. The Real Robert Lord Confirmed.
  5. Rex
  6. AshLaw
  7. Guybrush Threepwood Confirmed.
  8. Dr Feelgood Confirmed.
  9. Canarsie Jones
  10. Zaphod Beeblebrox
  11. Sullivan
  12. Allison
  13. Machismo
  14. Howser
  15. Rage Confirmed.
  16. Katsman
  17. Psalm42
  18. DeadManWalking Confirmed.
  19. Coco Roco Confirmed.

Now it could just be meat puppetry, but the uniform posting style makes me think not. Can you use those pretty admin buttons to investigate? -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 13:12, 18 May 2008 (BST)

Wiki Project at an Impasse needs Expert Coding Advice

So, you seem to be one of the more savvy Wiki-coders about; I figured that if you couldn't solve this one, nobody could...

Anyway, the wrench in my works is that inclusion seems to use all of the wiki-code on a page, rather then just the visible text. This quickly causes problems on pages with multiple inclusions (just about anything that tries to show suburb-wide status information). So, is there any workaround? Any way to make the inclusion simply use the final page output, rather then the wiki-code that got it there? Although I've run into this problem more then once, my current issue can be seen in this project: Category:AutoDate.

Any advice would be much appreciated! --Morgan Blair 22:40, 16 May 2008 (BST)

Also, since you've shown interest in this subject in the past, I thought I'd let you know that I've started an Open Discussion regarding Arguments for-and-against the ParserFunctions extension. I'd appreciate any constructive comments you might be able to provide there. Thanks! --Morgan Blair 06:39, 17 May 2008 (BST)

That Stuff on Deletions That I Shouldn't Have Deleted

Sorry about that, I guess I wasn't paying enough attention to what I was doing (too much GTA 4, I suppose). I undeleted the pages and put them back up for voting. Through the undeletions, I found out that the Ordo Funeris was already deleted before by Vantar; just thought you would like to know. --ZsL 06:25, 14 May 2008 (BST)


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You have been warned for illegally striking votes on a discussion. Kindly refrain from doing so in future until there is a policy that permits it. Until then all peoples opinions are weighted equally and worthy of being heard. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 19:57, 8 May 2008 (BST)


Hey Karek. I think we got off on the wrong foot massively so. I'd like to bury the hatchet (not literally) and tell you no hard feelings on anything that's gone on between us in the past, and I'd like to be more sociable with you in the future. I feel like I've been getting way too mired in arguments on a wiki, and of the people I've gotten in arguments with, I think you're probably one of the ones who it could have been avoided. --Tselita 18:47, 8 May 2008 (BST)

Vandal banning

Shakey60 went off on one, vandalising or wiping 6 pages. I had to ban him for a day just as a countermeasure to stop him vandalisng any more pages as I was undoing them. Seeing as you're active i'd appreciate it if you could rule on the case, as I reported it and thereore I can't. Thanks in advance!--SeventythreeTalk 17:31, 3 May 2008 (BST)


Vista has been MIA for a week now and I'm tired of waiting. It might be time for arbitration. Vista said on Zeug's talk page that he agreed to having you arbitrate. Would you be willing to do so?
I'm waiting for Killbottom and DoohickeyBones to get back to me to see if they want in, so I figure it would be Zeug and I on our side so far. I do have some questions though. First off, has there ever been a precedent for an arbitration case reversing a VB ruling? Second, would I only name Vista in this case? --Kid sinister 16:53, 1 May 2008 (BST)

I would be willing to do it and, I assume, that since Vista is the only one you might have an actually winable case(arbitration can't overrule an A/VB ruling but it can apply to his having said he would strike the vote if certain criteria were met and not doing it) against it would have to be pretty much only him in that case. I think, however, that you should try, at the very least, contacting Vista on his User page(linked) first, you might be able to avoid the whole thing.--Karekmaps?! 16:58, 1 May 2008 (BST)
Good call, I just poked him on his talk page. Let's hope he has that checkbox in his preferences marked to get emails for user talk page changes. Anyway, he made proposition that would be impossible for me to accept, right before he disappeared. Does he do this often? --Kid sinister 20:35, 1 May 2008 (BST)
OK, gypsies came in the night and stole Vista. We're going to put any action on hold until they release him. Seriously, does he do this often? --Kid sinister 02:16, 3 May 2008 (BST)
Well, it seems obvious that he's having internets troubles, so be a bit patient, okay? Thats all you can really do.-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 02:21, 3 May 2008 (BST)

Re: Sig

That's because of my character Tolkien Black Man Not to be confused with Token Black Man--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 09:14, 1 May 2008 (BST)

Question about Div Positioning

Hi Karek! I am trying to create a blend between the DangerMap and a "map" that would show locations of all of my characters. I already have a reworked version of the DangerMap for personal use (User:Zardoz/centcom). It's written in HTML and when you hover over a suburb square (colored based on the official DangerMap information) a tooltip tells you the suburb name.

     What I need to do next is integrate the location of my characters into this map. Sadly I've found only two options: manually move a symbol from suburb to suburb as my characters move or use

tag to create an overlay that shows my character locations.

     Now that I've gotten the background out of the way I was hoping you could tell me how you came up with the div position values for the excellent Mall Status Map. I think I've been searching for the wrong thing because I've been unable to find any guide to div positioning on google and I am really hoping that there's more method to this than 100% trial and error. Any thoughts you might have on the matter are appreciated. Ideally I can find positioning values such that adding or subtracting a fixed number will move my character to the desired suburb without need for more guessing. Thank you!--  ZZ Argh.gifEmot-zombie.gif 09:14, 30 April 2008 (BST)

So let me try and get this right in my head. You want to have an easy to update way of marking which suburb your characters are in on that map? I assume you bring up div positioning because you're thinking of using images right?--Karekmaps?! 09:52, 30 April 2008 (BST)
My apologies for the winded description (I usually do better) but what you said is correct. I brought up div positioning because that's the best solution I have seen for what I'm trying to do. I was thinking of positioning text (an X or a * to mark location) but images will do in a pinch.
     Now as I think about it... what would I give to have a map that would simultaneously display suburb Danger Levels, Mall Status Information and my own characters' positions... but I'm just dreaming, I know :P. Once again, any help you might offer really appreciated!--  ZZ Argh.gifEmot-zombie.gif 20:02, 30 April 2008 (BST)
Small update. For the heck of it I decided to try and put mall information on the map. You can see a transparent image on the Locketside Suburb that represent the approximate location of the Thompson Mall. I'm happy that hovering over the image provides a tooltip with the suburb name however I'm wondering if I can get around the Wiki behavior of turning all images into links that go to the image page. I tried to embed the image as a background for the cell but it seems that either I'm doing something wrong or Wiki dislikes the "background=""" formatting. My only other thought it using some kind of magic word but I'm unsure which. Suggestions appreciated! :)--  ZZ Argh.gifEmot-zombie.gif 23:22, 30 April 2008 (BST)
Well, actually, not so much of a pipe dream. Everything you want is easily doable(with easily used extremely loosely). {{Click}} can be used to get around the problem of the image links, you just need to get the dimensions of the image at whatever size it is. For the other thing, it's doable, but a little more complex as it would involve use of many {{Switch}} or If Templates but I could do it. I'd drop the div positioning(for characters) idea and just go with text in each box for the character markings though, it's not only simpler(no plotting coords) but it also allows, probably, less loading time although it is very well doable with either one(images or text).--Karekmaps?! 04:51, 1 May 2008 (BST)
Thank you for taking the time to respond Karek. I checked out Click and I understand what it does. My original intention was to get rid of the link altogether. Now that I know I can't fundamentally do that I'll have to rethink how I want to go on combining things. Most likely I'll end up with two maps both for ease of coding and to prevent things from running together.
     Right now I'm back, focusing on finding a comprehensive solution on easily updating the position of my characters as they move through the game. I've been checking out the code for the Mall_Status_Map and your ProjDev page but it's slow going. I would really appreciate if you cold recommend any reading material for me: especially about what language Wikipedia uses or an explanation of making new variables and the like. Checking out the source of a template and seeing something like {{{{{2|1}}}}} is a bit disheartening.
     tl;dr - There's no rush and I'm enjoying the challenge. I do, however, really wish I could get my hands on any relevant documentation to help my understanding go faster. Thanks again!--  ZZ Argh.gifEmot-zombie.gif 05:35, 2 May 2008 (BST)
Variables are pretty simple but most of the help text on it likes to get wordy. If the variable has a | like the one you showed the thing after the |(symbol usually referred to as a pipe) is the default value for if the variable is underfined, it keeps the output from being {{{2}}} when the template is used. Any variables(variables all have 3 {} as opposed to template call's 2) with numbers are default variables and when using the template, if you aren't setting things as 2= they'll works in numerical order. So {{Templatename|1|2|3|4}} instead of {{Templatename|variablename=|variablename=}}. If Templates work on the {{If|Variable|Then|Else}} format and the switch template works almost exactly like it would in other coding environments, {{Switch|Variable|case: Value of Variable = output|default = if no cases met output}}. For more information on any of this I'd recommend MediaWiki but, be careful, our wiki version is a little outdated and we don't have some things they mention like Parser Functions or Imagemaps.--Karekmaps?! 08:51, 2 May 2008 (BST)

And now you know

Yes, I left the Gore Corps. Happened a few months ago. I wanted to try my hand at playing a survivor, especially now that we have a megahorde to contend with. I'm with The Kilt Store now. Pop by and I'll give you a discount on our new Spring line. --Goolina The Kilt Store 20:46, 28 April 2008 (BST)

Those administration templates...

I like them, a lot smaller, more perdy. But there are a few you haven't fixed yet, like {{Policy Document}} and the rest of these. Hop to it! --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 05:12, 27 April 2008 (BST)

Mostly only been doing them based on visibility.--Karekmaps?! 10:13, 27 April 2008 (BST)

Gatcombeton News

While I understand why you might want to enforce strict NPOV in news I have a somewhat more relaxed attitude to survivor POV posts in places like Gatcombeton, possibly the most desolate suburb in Malton. No one settles there, no one posts to the news regularly, it's a desert for information so any news is good news and at least keeps the burb page alive if not the in game town. I also probably have a wider interpretation of NPOV, if you're interested you can check the Discussion page. Cheers, Zeug 08:57, 26 April 2008 (BST)

Actually I was referring, mostly, to the blatant advertising that was done in that comment. The POV nature of it was just something that furthered the fact that it was something that shouldn't have been done. Feel free to mention that Extinction is in the area, but less like a bad jewelry commercial, for the interest of people who might move in there in the future and are looking to the news to actually provide baseline information.--Karekmaps?! 12:16, 26 April 2008 (BST)
Oh, and in some cases a lack of news is more informative than random sporadic updates. I actually think that's the case for most of the area in Northern Malton right now, with a few exceptions where stuff is actually going on, but that's my own personal opinion.--Karekmaps?! 12:17, 26 April 2008 (BST)

Arbitration Case against User:Xela798

Hello there Karek, I have a proposition for you. I'm thinking of making an Arbitration case against Xela and I was wondering if you would be the Arbitrator for me? It is mainly against the majority of useless rubbish which constantly surrounds their group (Sinclair Hotels) and their bad wiki skills which haven't really seemed to have improved given how long they have been around the wiki. I have examples and evidence of these but I feel as though I may 'spam' your page with them if I put them here, so yes if you are willing to be Arby for this case I'll take it forward, if not then fair enough, I shall find someone else. But either way thank you for reading and I hope to hear from you soon. Acoustic Pie 23:41, 24 April 2008 (BST)

If it goes to a case I'll offer to arbitrate, until then please do not pass me information on the matter.--Karekmaps?! 23:45, 24 April 2008 (BST)
Thank you. I'll put it through now. Acoustic Pie 23:54, 24 April 2008 (BST)
Actually I'll have to put it through tommorow as I'm quite busy until then, but thank you once again. Acoustic Pie 23:56, 24 April 2008 (BST)
Sorry for the many updates but I have contacted the person involved and given them a week to recify at least some of their issues. If it isn't resolved by then am I okay to ask you to set up an Arbitration page/case for me (implying that said user would agree to it)? Acoustic Pie 00:26, 25 April 2008 (BST)


Update the timestamp on the Sanitarium ad for me. It risks being deleted under the 14 day clause. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 19:36, 24 April 2008 (BST)

Thanks for the notice.--Karekmaps?! 22:34, 24 April 2008 (BST)

Suburb News

Ok i've changed my mind and now agree with you that suburb news should be altered so that it doesn't include sigs. A single post for a day that can be edited as people want would be more practical, although i think we'd see more edit wars...--xoxo 09:05, 21 April 2008 (BST)

Depends, the major problem is the chatting and POV news, if sigs were removed those would, at the very least, be reduced.--Karekmaps?! 17:28, 21 April 2008 (BST)

All hail the wiki warrior

Thanks for putting up with my speedy deletions binge, whats the policy on historical group voting. Did LUE get accepted or not? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:34, 11 April 2008 (BST)

I don't know I generally don't go there much, there are however two policies that outline this. UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Historical_Events and UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Historical_Groups.--Karekmaps?! 15:42, 11 April 2008 (BST)

On another note, well the same wiki binge, do you still need Template:Pov-section Template:Navimgx and Template:Ine ? as there all on the unused template page. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:31, 19 April 2008 (BST)

{{Navimgx}} is the functionally the same as {{Click}} so no I don't need it. {{pov-section}} is an NPOV template as is the only one of it's specific type, out of the 4 POV notation templates we have it's the only one that is section specific. And {{Ine}} is a utility If Template so no, it should not be deleted.--Karekmaps?! 13:45, 19 April 2008 (BST)

Radio in MV

hey do you have any idea on whats the main freq's in use in monroe? thanks.--xoxo 10:12, 8 April 2008 (BST)

28.01 gets the most use there I think.--Karekmaps?! 10:19, 8 April 2008 (BST)
Over the last 4-5 days a lot of people have retuned to 28.02, to avoid zeds overhearing. Its still pretty much spam central.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:08, 8 April 2008 (BST)


I see you moved Talk:To Discussion? to the appropriate place. I got confused as to what he was trying to accomplish with it, and he couldn't really explain is intent. Anyway, thanks.--Airborne88Zzz1.JPGT|Z.Quiz|PSS 18:17, 7 April 2008 (BST)


Its harder than it looks.--Thekooks 10:01, 7 April 2008 (BST)

It's not so hard that attempting to settle the dispute involves enforcing the previous punishment and then extending what was causing problems in it.--Karekmaps?! 10:41, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Actually I said he didn't need to Apolagise, and I also said he didn't have to change his signiture. The other stuff is all simply, "don't flame other users on your user page". How is that absurb? Also, I think you will see that there has been no drama between TerminalFaliure and anyone, so the rulings have done some good.

PS: Sorry about the A/VB case, but you have to admit, it is quite funny.--Thekooks 18:14, 7 April 2008 (BST)

I might be misremembering the ruling, I'll have to check it again. --Karekmaps?! 23:55, 7 April 2008 (BST)
Yeah, I was obviously on crack or something. I thought you were adding to the previous ruling while reinforcing it. I still think basically requiring an escalation for the removal of the content was needless but now that it's actually been removed I have a feeling there will be less problems when/if Terminal chooses to ever come back.--Karekmaps?! 09:21, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Another month goes by

and another 250 edits...could you please strike another warning off my record? dunke.--xoxo 07:16, 4 April 2008 (BST)


Arg Karek. You move conflicted me!

22:34, 2 April 2008 Karek (Talk | contribs | block) Suggestion:20080402 Suggestion:20080402 Monroeville Changes moved to Suggestion:20080402 Monroeville Changes (Whoops for him) (revert)

Grr! :P--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:37, 2 April 2008 (BST)

U not efficient enough, WORK HARDER!--Karekmaps?! 23:38, 2 April 2008 (BST)
No hurts! I WERK HAhRDER NOAW! --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:40, 2 April 2008 (BST)


You know, if you block tor proxies, firstly, you'll be here forever and secondly, Conndraka and his legion of sockpuppets won't be able to edit the wiki anymore ;)

Luckily I have the time and frankly don't care who it blocks, they shouldn't have been using it in the first place.--Karekmaps?! 21:52, 1 April 2008 (BST)
You have the time? Blimey... I'm not intending to insult you, but do you know what Tor actually is? there are literally thousands of Tor exit nodes and it will take you a long time to nail them all. A suggestion would be to contact wikimedia and see if they have a master list that they update regularly and are willing to share. If you can get hold of such a thing, getting Kevan to use the bloack list for the game itself would be a great help, I *know for a fact* that Tor is/was used extensively in Dunell Hills whenever it is under siege (hint: occasionally a whole run of new ips from the 149.?.?.? (0 to 50 iirc) would bang against the site ip limit like half an hour after midnight GMT.
I won't post any more images (which I did becuase I know how much it pisses Mr. B***S*** off); I will continue to speak my mind when it comes to his general character and behaviour. If he was any further up his bottom, his head would be sticking out of his mouth (if you can visualise that)... Anyway, unless deleting this violates some irrelevant policy, feel free to delete --KankyNuttButtz 22:04, 1 April 2008 (BST)
Oh - this is by no means anywhere near a comprehensive list, but its a start I suppose. Still won't secure against unencrypted domestic wireless drivebys though, but that's another story --KankyNuttButtz 22:27, 1 April 2008 (BST)
You've been somewhat helpful and I will probably make use of that resource(I was not aware that also had a list of known proxies), however as long as I am aware of your presence I am required to ban you on site as a currently banned vandal alt. Not to mention that I am forced to ban your ips as long as they are those of a proxy network in accordance with our wiki policy, one that is very similar to wikipedia's own in that matter.--Karekmaps?! 00:27, 2 April 2008 (BST)

Damn man...that is a hell of a lot of Proxies to block. Have fun with that... :S -- Cheese 23:32, 1 April 2008 (BST)

Meh.--Karekmaps?! 00:27, 2 April 2008 (BST)
Hmmm If you check the records you'll find that as a sysopp I've blocked more proxies than any other including a span of about 5 days where all I did was block known proxies from various lists I think it was about 600 when it was all said and done. And I have ever only used two addresses to ever edit the wiki. My Home computer and a school computer (admittedly the IP address for the home changes on occasion with hardware issues but still within the same range. Its nice to see I have so much love... Conndrakamod TDHPD CFT 14:47, 8 April 2008 (BST)
It's something I could easily check but couldn't care to. I was avoiding commenting on the subject though, not impugning anyone.--Karekmaps?! 05:29, 10 April 2008 (BST)


Hey Karek, was cruising the V/B section and came across this on this page. Said to contact an administrator, so there ya go.  Billy Club Thorton  T!  RR  05:04, 1 April 2008 (BST)

It's because the diffs and histories were cleared by Kevan to conserve space or whatnot, any edits history from before Marchish 2006 is lost(the diffs and history content) and will give that error message. --Karekmaps?! 06:17, 1 April 2008 (BST)
Gotcha. Won't bother ya with them anymore.  Billy Club Thorton  T!  RR  22:33, 1 April 2008 (BST)

Tiny wee pictures

You know the mall status map, and its little pictures of the mall statusses? Well they update automatically don't they? Hows that work? Say I wanted a similar size picture for St. Johns Cathedral, how would I do that? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:11, 31 March 2008 (BST)

I explain it somewhat here, basically I used a switch to check {{{Status}}} and output the code based on what it returns(this is in {{MallStatus}}), it only does this when {{MallStatus}} is set as {{User:DangerReport/Mall Name|2}} gives the code, then I used a bit of code I'm calling {{MallSwitcherSwitcher}} to use that code and output an image. All you need to change that is assign a variable, or pipe, with the malls name so |Ackland for Ackland Mall, this only currently works for malls, however I will be including it in other buildings soonish. If you have one you'd like for me to set like that now just direct me to it. --Karekmaps?! 21:29, 31 March 2008 (BST)
The images are resized like so, [[Image:mall-ransacked-small.jpg|80px]].--Karekmaps?! 21:29, 31 March 2008 (BST)
Thanks, I managed to get the resizing worked out myself. Im just toying with the idea of an uber-barricade plan (On its own POV page) Marks what buildings should be what and automatically linked in the status levels of TRP's--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:02, 1 April 2008 (BST)