User talk:Karlsbad

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Mission Statement and Policy

To begin, you must know that I am great. Obviously, or else you wouldn't be reading this page, correct? Anyway, I have something to say about the state of my talk page.

  1. I am unlikely to ever delete anything on my discussion page, even if it happens to be insulting or useless, as long as it is clearly designated as the opinion or assertion by the user that made it. I take this position because I am convinced that A- I am far more charismatic, intelligent, and thoughtful than any party that wishes to challange me and B- I am more able to out-talk anyone on my own page than fight with the inner downs-child of my detractors off the wiki.
  2. I prefer all discussions on this page to be about me. Call me self-absorbed, but unless you have some invasive fear of discussion on your own page, please only post messages that are pertinent to me rather than as a response to something I wrote on your page. From this point on, I reserve the right to repost anything to the page in which the discussion deservedly originated from rather than become an anachronism upon my own. -KB

People with names in all-caps are not to post here for the next seven days. --Karlsbad 05:19, 25 September 2006 (BST)

I need your vote

You are very welcome to look at this suggestion (that you helped to create) and vote for (or against) it. -- John RubinT! ZG FER 11:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


I didn't take clumping into consideration.Thanks for the reminder and the first message on my talk page.: D --Perne 11:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


Marty Banks: Got ya, sorry... from now on I'll post the Malton Mirror only on Channel 4 and DHPD Radio... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MartyBanks (talkcontribs) .


Thank you for the information Karlsbad, appreciated. Sean'Of'The'Dead is on his way to Giddings Mall right now. Be seeing you shortly for carnage and mayhem. --Chopper 10:31, 24 May 2006 (BST)


Can you tell me why I got banned? I was never warned and all I did was erase a lie from a wiki page (with full explanation in remarks) --Legend X

You touched another group's page. You were warned previously as well. Proof. You really do seem to enjoy asking for double standards, don't you? "I only erased a lie from a wiki page!", yet you complain profusely when Banana Bear4 did the same to yours. Also, while I'm here: SIGN PROPERLY YOU FUCKING IDIOT. –Xoid STFU! 21:47, 1 July 2006 (BST)
Group Pages when not in NPOV are the POV of the group; you can submit it as a malicious lie in any Aribtration case you wish to bring about and see how it flys, but editing it otherwise is a form of vandalization. Your previous Warnings are documented. Have I explained your banning well enough for you? --Karlsbad 03:08, 2 July 2006 (BST)
Yes, Karlsbad. Thanks. I won't bug you again! When I said I wasn't warned I meant for this infraction. However everything is cool now. In the future I just won't go to their pages at all. Also XOID - FUCK YOU FAGGOT. They vandalzied my group's page for MONTHS and nobody did anyting about it. Banana Bear should be banned for ayear if you follow your own advice. Banana Bear was LYING on my page and deleting our group's mesages for 4 months. That's different than what I did which was a 1 time thing. You have shown yourself to be rude and arrogant and stupid. I'm sure you will ban me for saying this too. --Legend X
Oh for fuck's sake. You're only proving yourself less than Xoid by NOT. SIGNING. PROPERLY. Whether vandalism is a once-off or repeated doesn't change the fact that it is vandalism. Banana Bear was punished for his vandalism; so have you. I really don't know exactly what you're trying to achieve here, Legend. You know that you're not going to get your record expunged...don't you? And while I'm here: INDENT PROPERLY YOU FUCKING IDIOT. Cyberbob  Talk  05:51, 2 July 2006 (BST)

AoG Discussion

Hey, this is Saromu of the AoG. Thanks for showing interest in us. I'll add something that says "All campaigns were successful unless said otherwise". It'll then say the few campaigns that were failures. Though I do not like to say failure as it means that we accomplished nothing. Losing at Giddings in January and Tynte just recently actually was a success. We knew we couldn't hold forever but our goal was just to defend it. Some groups won't even go to help a sieged building but our goal was just to go over there and give it our best. But because you asked I'll change it to make it easier to understand. Saromu 22:08, 13 March 2006 (GMT)


Listen, man. Your group did nothing - and proved nothing. Our ranks were under massive griefer attacks from a PK group that was keeping us all (every last one of us) dead through what we assume to be mostly alts.

Do - Not - Edit - My - Text - Again - Or you will be reported for vandalism. -- Amazing 22:19, 1 April 2006 (BST)

I believe I responded to the above posting in its mirror on your page. The above will me cleaned soon to reflect the uselessness of posting the exact same message on two pages. --Karlsbad 22:32, 1 April 2006 (BST)
Edit or delete anything I have written and be reported for vandalism. Any words you utter beyond that are merely your own self-fellatiating. CDF is victorious over your attempted seige through organized drive-by attacks which left your group standing in an empty building to be killed like fish in a barrel. Hopefully I won't have to have you reported for vandalism. I'm sure you can find something better to do with your time so as to avoid a warning or ban. -- Amazing 22:34, 1 April 2006 (BST)

Hello there. You see, Amazing have some sort of point. Not the point of calling you a vandal, but that thing about the editorial note.

Things were not meant to be done this way. Next time you edit one of your own messages, that have replys from other users, try to reply to the reply. Avoid editing your previous messages AND adding any editorial note that the reply is outdated, there is timestamps when a user sign for that. And you are not supposed to do that with other people messages too. And if you see something that is outdated, leave to the page owner(s) to remove it from their page. --hagnat talk 23:22, 1 April 2006 (BST)

Thank you Hagnat, I will reply in the proper format from now on. I however have I question on your talk page about the issue of editing text that is replied to.

Outdated information should not be edited. They should be erased. But, since most people wish to see why harman1 said this and that to harman2, outdated information is kept until all discussion about the subeject is over. But leave to any page owner to decied what is worthty to be kept on their own pages.
And, before i forget, alway sign your messages. --hagnat talk 08:04, 2 April 2006 (BST)


What do you think about taking our discussion to your talk page or mine? Could help cut down on the clutter for everyone else. -- Amazing 05:24, 7 April 2006 (BST)

Actually, I think that they've both come to a head. But again, I have had the most recent last word *grin* --Karlsbad 05:32, 7 April 2006 (BST)


Condrakka the Zerg King hates us both equally! We are like long-lost brothers. Only, not brothers. And not really long-lost. Err. You know what I mean.--Jorm 08:26, 8 April 2006 (BST)

Well lets see DHPD Numbers are back to where they were (give or take a couple) and "Amazing" (regardless of his actions or status) has still showed himself more mature than either of you. And if I was going to Zerg you would see DHPD numbers hit over 300. The very fact that what I would like to see happen in the Hills hasn't happened yet pretty much says it all. At least I'm not going to create an alt, join a group, and then use that alt exclusivly to find and disseminate information eh? You all have a nice day.Conndraka 16:55, 8 April 2006 (BST)
Not that I want to mess up Karlsbad's talk page, but are you trying to accuse me of something, mr. zerger? --Jorm 22:08, 8 April 2006 (BST)
I don't mind these comments on my talk page- this chatter has to happen somewhere. Anyway, I figure that those numbers mean that the people who originally played the alts are now members of DHPD. So, congrats on getting your crew into seperate, exclusive characters. Shows that you have a good group of friends out there, and as long as they don't start trading passwords, we won't have a problem. I hope the best for your suburb-reclaiming efforts; it will give me, and maybe even the TSO, another go-round with ya, and I'm always up for a second dance. But seriously, what the heck are you trying to say with your last sentence? Are you talking about my scout-alt I used to improve the Category: Suburbs page by filling in the blank reports? If it is, then sharp eyes on ya, congrats. --Karlsbad 22:29, 8 April 2006 (BST)
Oooohhh 3 colons......hrm that sounds weird........but yeah it has to happen somewhere-Ottotorrens 14:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


Actually, it's vandalism. I'd appreciate it if you'd restrain yourself from things like that. I'd report it but I am actually trying to honor our recent reconciliation. That's not to say I'll ignore future vandalism. -- Amazing 00:38, 13 April 2006 (BST)

I can try. It was more me noticing that the picture kinda does look like a neck-beard, and deciding to have fun. It's moreso an expression of comedy, but I realize that it was an odd joke. Not worth the trouble of a vandal report, but not a "fluffy-bunny-rainbows" friendly act either. Just joshin' ya. --Karlsbad 01:00, 13 April 2006 (BST)

Apology and explination

First, if my comment on the Suggestions page offended you, I truly apologise. However considering the number of homosexual friends and family I have, the term Faggot as a derision has special significance to those I care about and thus to me. My statement about wcil's comment was based on the psycological study that found that those who used derisive terms about sexuality, were usually unable to accept their own. In addition there were specific tie ins with hostility surounding elements of the neo-nazi movement. I can't remember if the overview of the study was printed in OUT or the Village Voice circa 1994 I'll ask my uncle when I see him again. Anyway, again I apologise for any offense. Conndraka 05:48, 19 April 2006 (BST)

Apology is definately accepted. Most of what I was saying was about the concept of "insulting" and how it would stifen (sp? stigh-phen) conversation. However, I am also very sensitive of people who do consider non-hetrosexual behavior an automatically "reserved" or "closeted" behavior, and I thank you for considering my opinion. --Karlsbad 18:33, 19 April 2006 (BST)

Attempt to find resolution and common ground

Because of the near perfect split on the discussion of Language an Offensive Users I created a page where maybe we can find an acceptable solution. If not, well at least I tried. Page can be found Moderation/Locational Language/Interaction I took on the mantle of responsible party so that even the MODs can state thier ideas and opinions. Conndraka 19:06, 22 April 2006 (BST)


The petition to ban me has been moved to policy dicussion. Would you like to NPOV-ify the whole shebang, or shall I? -- Amazing 23:51, 23 April 2006 (BST)


This is just a warning that you have failed to enter an article for Round 1 of the Outbreak Lexicon, and if you do not submit one by the end of Round 2 (this Friday) you will be dropped from the Lexicon.--'STER-Talk-Mod 02:08, 27 April 2006 (BST)

RE: Yeah, you submitted Crucifix, but then you didn't get in a DEF article by the end of last week. If you write one before the slots fill up you can rejoin, but remember you'd also need a GHI by the end of this week or you'd drop out again.--'STER-Talk-Mod 19:41, 2 May 2006 (BST)

Families of Malton

As a former member of the Outbreak Lexicon team I thought you might be interested in looking at and/or helping with the Families of Malton project. Conndrakamod T W! 01:48, 30 May 2006 (BST)


Never, at any point in that case, did i use the power i have, nor did i threaten to use it. Nor was i at any point tempted to do so. I had a difference of opinion with some other moderators. That is all. In my opinion it was a fairly important issue as it, in my view, undermines the ability for moderators to act in defense of the community, so i fought rather hard for it. In the end i will abide by the majority decision. However there is absolutely nothing that tells me i have to like it.
Moderators are, in my view, servants of the community, trusted and empowered to do the tasks that cannot be trusted to everyone. In my view a moderator has no more authority than any other user in circumstances outside where they are called to step in as moderators. It is unfair and unreasonable to expect them to act as paragons of virtue at all times. Moderators are people too, and they are, like all people, fallable. The mechanisms in place on this wiki, and indeed, in most online communities, prevent such failings from causing much damage. If anything, the fact i fought so hard for the law as written should comfort you, because it all but screams that i would never do anything without following due process, regardless of how riled up about a matter i may be. I assure you i was utterly furious with The General for his decision, and im still not too pleased with him, but thats the past now, and it shouldnt have any bearing on the present, and it certainly wont come into play in any future dealings with him. When the promotions page was made, i was tempted to apply, but i did not, simply because i did not want to be a moderator (I did not feel that i had contributed enough, nor did i feel i was up to the task). Im still not too happy about being one now (Being a moderator brings me no joy, indeed, it has expanded my responsibilities quite dramatically), but the complete inaction over the first PQN run made me step forward to fill a position that needed filling. I am under no illusions that i am the best person for the job. Far from it. Under normal circumstances i dont believe i should have not been let near a moderation panel, due to my occasionally erratic and oft abrasive standards of behaviour. So, no, i dont deserve moderator powers. No one ever does. But i have them, and it is my responsibility and duty to ensure i use them responsibly. That does not, however, mean i cannot speak my mind. --Grim s-Mod 10:33, 1 May 2006 (BST)


You should put yourself up for moderator. I'd vouch for you. --Jorm

Me too. --Cyberbob240CDF - Arb - W! 11:53, 1 May 2006 (BST)

Comment on C4NT page

(Copied incase you miss it)

I noticed your response on the Talk page for Ron Burgandy's group. Specifically, the " mostly fallout from the curious feeding behaviors on the failed second 'seige' on Caiger Mall." part. I'd love to hear your observation on what you saw during the Mall Tour's assualt. --Karlsbad 00:21, 22 April 2006 (BST)

A few have asked me, ingame and metagame, to do so. I finally have. Check my post for May 1st for that and more! --MorthBabid 01:14, 2 May 2006 (BST)

NPOV edits

I don't understand some of your edits to the ASS NPOV section. We did deliberate extensively before selecting Amazing/the CDF, and as for needing citation, I give you this: the entirety of ASS, as well as our allies, take delight in our tactics; the people we attack take issue with them. --BobHammero ASS 21:03, 3 May 2006 (BST)

I was wrong in deleting the deliberation bit; I thought it was bluster when it seems that from your replies you guys did put some thought into choosing Amazing. The citation needed is exactly that; 'some' is too vague and requires a "WhatFriendsThink/WhatEnemiesThink", as well as What Tactics Are Controversial; otherwise, it isn't NPOV because it implies that there might be zerging, or spying, or humping your mother's dog. So you should most likely ask your enemies what tactics they dislike: otherwise you could change it to "methods" to be more about "How We Treat Stupid People" rather than "What We Do In Game to Do To People". I wasn't sure which way it was preferred, so left a needs-citation note. --Karlsbad 20:31, 4 May 2006 (BST)
Scratch that, I think I'm going to change it to methods anyway, as I think that is what is intended. --KB
Alright, I understand what you're saying. Thanks for clarifying. --BobHammero ASS 21:59, 4 May 2006 (BST)
No Prob Bob, glad you liked 'em. --Karlsbad 01:05, 5 May 2006 (BST)

Mod Bid

I'm sending this message out to everyone who had spoken on my modship bid. Recently it was suggested that I wipe the slate clean and start over with a new bid. I decided against this for two main reasons: First, I don't want to risk causing any drama, and Second, I don't want to risk people on either side not being heard the second time around.

I am, however, asking anyone who has spoken to take a moment of thier time to review the case and deatermine if they need to change thier vote or, more than likely, keep it as is. Thank you. --SirensT RR 15:01, 12 May 2006 (BST)

Your Bid

I would vouch for you, but I find not being consistantly friendly is a valid reason to vote against someone. Here's what I'm going to do: Please go here and recommend how you feel I should improve by leaving your feed back. This will help me determine what I think about you being mod. And by the way, I'm not trying to be a b*tch here, if that's what I'm comming off as. --SirensT RR 15:36, 13 May 2006 (BST)

Congratulations on your promotion Karlsbad.

Sidenote 1: I believe Kevan promotes the "ready for processing" users, (the ones he is gonna promote that is) based on order of their names on the promotions page. It's an interesting, but relatively useless factoid.

Sidenote 2: Did Mr "Karlsberg" ever notice the disambiguation page? –Xoid STFU! 13:22, 28 May 2006 (BST)

Congrats on the Promo there Karlsbad. Let the editing begin... Conndrakamod T W! 13:37, 28 May 2006 (BST)


And thanks to you for backing me up against Rasher! :D -Wyn (talk!) 07:19, 15 May 2006 (BST)

You're Welcome; its worth the typing and vocalized stance on any future bid by you just to have been able to twist my knife express my opinion about Scinfaxi at the end. --Karlsbad 07:36, 15 May 2006 (BST)


"Therefore, I restate again, I will only attempt to comment about issues, rather than making it be about the character of people on the wiki. " I couldn't help but notice the irony. I'm sure this will be deleted. Scinfaxi 03:37, 16 May 2006 (BST)

Nope it'll stay; you've yet to provide a reason to be deleted.
Anyway, as I am smart enough to put a back-door into any mission statement, if an issue happens to be about how you aren't a good wiki editor, then of course I'm not going to support you. Irony is the result of the opposite of what you expect; it would mean, for example, that you expected me to treat you like you were worth something and instead I began replying to the contrary whenever your name comes up. If I said that I would always and forever comment about issues rather than how you are a ridiculous retrograde retard, and then started up multiple posts that the entire topic was about how you are a ridiculous retrograde retard, then it would be considered Irony.
The mission Statement isn't a pledge of neutrality or kindness; rather it is a promise that I will be a better editor of this wiki than someone like, well, lets say you have ever been, because I always provide content in my posts; it just happens to be that right now the content is how that until you either grow out of your teenaged-griefer stage or learn how to be useful on this wiki, I will always, through following my Mission Statement, be a better user than you. --Karlsbad 06:39, 16 May 2006 (BST)


Noticed the "this unsigned message was left by Labine50" you wrote up. I blatantly stole borrowed Wikipedia's {{subst:Unsigned|Username|Optional message}} template. (Note that the last pipe is necessary, even if the optional message is empty. It'll become unnecessary if the wiki ever reaches version 1.7) –Xoid STFU! 08:26, 18 May 2006 (BST)

I'm trendy!

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Karlsbad (talkcontribs) (was this test as good for you as it was for me?).

Yeah, it knocked my socks off! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xoid (talkcontribs) It can even be used inline..


You beat Xoid and Cyberbob by minute! --Brizth mod T W! 13:15, 28 May 2006 (BST)

I'm sure it was just an accident :P --A Bothan SpyCDF-Mod-WTF-U! 13:17, 28 May 2006 (BST)

Congratulations on the promotion, and welcome to the Moderation team. Please make sure to go through Moderation/Guidelines, so you know the general guidelines, and make sure to re-read instructions on each of the Moderation pages, so you know the specifics of each. -- Odd Starter talkModW! 15:18, 28 May 2006 (BST)

Your modship vote (Bob Hammero)

Please understand that I'm not asking this as an attack, just as a curiosity. You say that you're against my being a moderator because you have an unsubstantiated fear that I would go on a massive banning spree, just because I happen to be one of two founders of ASS. What exactly does the fact that I play a PKer in game have to do with my wiki behavior, past or present? Have I just not been distanced from the Amazing crap for long enough for you to be convinced, or is there something else going on here? Because I don't understand how you can be actively opposed to me over a fear you yourself say that you have no actual basis for. I'm confused. --Bob Hammero TW!U! 07:21, 1 June 2006 (BST)

It comes down to this- I didn't want to throw down unwelcomed on a public page with something somewhat unfriendly- I simply don't know what you would do with Mod power.
It isn't that I know you would be harmful; it is just that there is nothing connecting you to the wiki or UrbanDead or the community at large other than your ASSualt on Amazing. Therefore, if you choose to use the Nuclear Options given to you as a Mod, there would be no social repercussions against you.
Furthermore, you have proven yourself to be a scary kind of person to me: you are obviously clever and intelligent; your actions have never been wild or unmotivated, and you have a sadistic/trollish streak apparent in the PK and reports of and about Amazing and his group. Therefore you are, in my opinion, quite capible of "keeping your nose clean" until you could initiate a cataclysmic wiki action if only to smite Amazing or possibly only to entertain yourself.
Until I feel that you have invested in the community enough that I can be reasonably assured that you wouldn't destroy it for a laugh I will continue to believe that you are yet to be proven as Moderator material. --Karlsbad 12:06, 1 June 2006 (BST)
OK, thanks for the explanation, at least. I won't say that I like the picture you've painted of me, but I appreciate your explaining it. I'll assume you've seen my fuller list of contributions (see my user page)? I've done quite a bit more since I started ASS. Anyhow, you're entitled to your opinion. Thanks again for explaining. --Bob Hammero TW!U! 17:46, 1 June 2006 (BST)
Quick addendum: the stuff with ASS is more along the lines of role playing; I draw a clear line between in-game stuff and wiki stuff (aside from the ASS front page). I even managed to come to an agreement with Amazing about not arguing any more. --Bob Hammero TW!U! 17:49, 1 June 2006 (BST)

Private Discussion

Go to for Mod Discussions Conndrakamod T W! 19:17, 4 June 2006 (BST)

Regarding the speedy deletion

You might be interested in reading this discussion with Kevan. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 08:53, 5 June 2006 (BST)

Hey there

Just wanted to state that we both know I would not be heard when reporting extremely offensive material (We've seen this. It's a fact.) and that when someone reports me, all attention is paid and the option of a ban is on the table. It's a flat-out double standard. I know you know this. You know I know this.

Aaaanyway, the text on my page has been edited so the entire thing is moot. Hopefully the discussion will continue so that people-who-aren't-Amazing won't get away with it either. -- Amazing 06:41, 6 June 2006 (BST)

Wiki disscussion forum

I have just created a wiki discussion forum to discuss the wiki in standarded message board format. All current wiki moderators will be made moderators on the forum.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 22:59, 9 June 2006 (BST)

Running again

Just a heads-up to let you know that I plan on running for mod again sometime after the start of next month. Since you had some concerns about my suitability last time, I'm curious if your perceptions of me have changed any? Since we last discussed this, I've continued to put lots of work into the wiki (see here for details), and ASS has decided to move on to other targets. Thanks in advance for your thoughts. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 08:30, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Uh, whoops?

12:35, June 28, 2006 Karlsbad blocked "User:Legend X" with an expiry time of 3 days (Vandal Ban 48 Hours)

I've since rebanned him for the correct length of time, and added a string into the IP block list so that a simple 2 days can be easily applied. –Xoid STFU! 05:20, 28 June 2006 (BST)

Thanks- I was going to un-ban him when his time was up, but that's way more of a solution. --Karlsbad 05:22, 28 June 2006 (BST)
Bluh, almost wrote "rgwew" instead of there. That would've been embarrassing. I'm looking into how exactly the "custom time" feature works, because Wikipedia Admins like using custom bans. (31 hours as it screws with people's heads — someone can't just wait a full day and start vandalising again. We haven't seen that happen here often, but if it starts coming up frequently, it might be something to look into.)
Anyway, as I pretty much said in my bid for modship, I reckon giving someone a 3 minute ban instead of a full day with the message: "Do it again, and it'll be 24 hours instead of three minutes", might make some people think. Some people may think that's a bit harsh, but I reckon it's better to give them a rap over the knuckles to try and bring them to their senses than a full strength ban.
I'd really prefer to see a lot of two minute bans + 3rd warnings instead of the dismally frequent 24 hours. I'm planning on asking other's their opinion and see whether it would be pass a vote, and I'd like your opinion on a reform to the other end of the scale too. STFU! 06:23, 28 June 2006 (BST)

Scent Rot

I know what you mean about Scent Rot being pretty much useless without a way to heal. I had originally envisioned a healing skill along these lines (rough idea): search cemeteries for fresh graves to exhume, carry hands torn from the corpses, feed them to other zombies to heal them. That would create a FAK-type suggestion for zombies. The problem is, I can't see any way that would fly on the suggestions page -- zombie anonymity, zombies can already heal, too complicated, all that. Do you see any way I could introduce a healing idea? That's what I wanted in the first place anyway. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 02:35, 5 July 2006 (BST)


What you did was obviously impersonation, you should know the rules, this is your first warning for vandalism. - Jedaz 07:47, 9 July 2006 (BST)

Well you warned yourself, so I guess you can ignore this if you want... - Jedaz 07:48, 9 July 2006 (BST)
I'm quick, ain't I? --Karlsbad 07:54, 9 July 2006 (BST)
Yep, unlike me as you can tell from this message, lol. - Jedaz 08:34, 9 July 2006 (BST)

Just thought I would use the same header instead of making more. Anyway, this is your warning from the Misconduct case. If you don't like the outcome of something then there are other ways to go about changing it rather then using your moderator abilitysm to change it. If this occurs again the misconduct case may be used against you. That is all. - Jedaz 11:26, 9 July 2006 (BST)


I think (about MartyBanks) the same (as Sarumo): it was not very different from an adbot. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC | T | W! 03:06, 13 July 2006 (BST)

To quote myself: Then put up a M/VB Report rather than attempting to whole-sale revert a page. No Cowboys or Trenchcoats allowed on this wiki. --Karlsbad 03:11, 13 July 2006 (BST)
No problem, I will if Saromu doesn't beat me to it. Anyways, looks who's talking. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC | T | W! 03:14, 13 July 2006 (BST)
Yes, I am talking. And you are quoting me defending the rights of a moderator and making sure that a known vandal doesn't get off the hook. I was warned for doing so, and as such I should be the most apt to quote the idea of an editor being a responsible factor. If you believe that it is impossible for me to have learned from such an experience, it shows that you are yet to find yourself in a situation in which you would ever have to learn and therefore speak in ignorence about life and the purpose of conducting yourself in a rational manner. Please take some time to remove your ignorance before speaking to me again. --Karlsbad 03:19, 13 July 2006 (BST)
I'm sorry, but I don't see anywhere the hero you that you talk about. What i see is a guy that blindly defends his (biased?) logic as if it held more value than the logic of every other sysop combined, and getting a warning for that. And the course of action Saromu took was perfectly valid: the main UDWiki:Moderation/Vandal Banning page encourages people to don't wait for Moderators to deal with it (vandalism), as there may be no Moderator online at the time. Lodge the report, then start reverting pages back to their original form. What you did, instead of helping anyone, earned the guy you were defending a warning, the same that you made The General's ban longer with your whining. Saromu didn't had in mind to report this guy, as you can see here. But, to quote myself: Vandal friends are beyond the reach of logic. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC | T | W! 03:46, 13 July 2006 (BST)
Thank you for discovering the real reason why Sarumo is being admonished; you have to submit a report before you go about deciding what is vandalism. Now that we both realize that you have no actual problem about anything pertinent to what you came here to chat about, I ask if you have any more issues that you need me to deal with or do you choose to speak to me because you like someone paying attention to you? --Karlsbad 07:26, 13 July 2006 (BST)


I am taking you to arbitration. You may not beleive me, but i'm not doing this to be petty or get back at you for some imagined slight. I thought you were wrong in vandal reporting and tried to handle it civily. I don't mind that you disagreed with me or that the other mods supported you, what I have a problem with is being labeled as someone I'm not. I beleive I've behaved very reasonably and civily on the wiki and i will not be disregarded rudely every time there is a disagreement as being someone's multiple account. I almost never am in agreement with scinfaxi anyway, so I don't see why you would think I'd be him anyway. I would gladly forgo the hassle of arbitration for a simple retraction. State that you have no proof on which to accuse me of being scinfaxi and don't state that we are the same person again. If you want to state your opinion, then I have no problem, as long as you preface it as such. I for one am willing to apologize for my part in any unecessary escalation of this. I am relatively new to the reporting, and misconduct rules and went by what I thought they were based on past experience. If you would still rather settle this with arbitration, then that is fine, I won't take it personally. Thanks for your attention to this matter.Jjames 01:42, 20 July 2006 (BST)

tyfyc. --Karlsbad 02:20, 20 July 2006 (BST)
I don't know what that stands for.Jjames 23:33, 20 July 2006 (BST)
"Thank you for your concern." –Xoid STFU! 00:40, 21 July 2006 (BST)
That was my guess, but it didn't seem to fit in context. What exactly do you object to in my suggestion?Jjames 02:42, 21 July 2006 (BST)

N-N-N-N-News Team!

The RRF is expanding again, eh? Well, good luck to ya and thanks for the heads up! Just do me a favor and don't try this intimidation stuff. Survivors don't have any more reason to be afraid of you guys than any other zombie group. The fact that you see fit to leave half your strength around Central Malton is proof of that. That is, you wouldn't be defending so strongly unless you felt threatened.

As for having other people revive the News Team while we take on the impossible, Barrville, as you've said... that's just nonsense. First of all, it's not impossible, as the above proves. Second, we're simply using resources- and it's not like our getting revives interrupts the grand scheme of the people who revive us. If they didn't want to operate their revive points, they wouldn't. There's no infringement here.

Helping the people in Southwest Malton would be nice, but they can handle theirown. I'm neither arrogant nor condescending enough to believe that they need me. Besides, the places we're going are just as red as the ones in the southwest. Instead, the News Team will do what it does: fight! We're going to stay on the offensive and bring the battle to the zombies, as we have in the past. This isn't a turf-war and we've never claimed any territory. The News Team isn't about turf, it's about blood (your blood) and glory. When we entered Barrville, we did so to kill zombies, not to make it safe and setup camp. Likewise for everywhere else. There are plenty of safe places in Malton and the Channel 4 News Team isn't about making more of 'em. We're a frontier sort. --Ron Burgundy 08:52, 21 July 2006 (BST)

Which is why when you say you aren't interrupting the revive scheme and wasting resources when instead of using your 100 to 150 member group to downgrade a red suburb and provide a reasonable survival expectation for humans in that territory, you are going to send people to death again and again and again and etc. against primarily a horde of which I am not a part of.
In case you were curious, I'm not saying this as a zombie; instead I am saying this as my revive-primary alt who is trying to get a south-western suburb on its feet and I am getting annoyed that one of the largest and most meta-efficient groups is choosing to try and "defeat zombies" by throwing yourself into a mall-seige where you will most likely die. I revive in South Blythville because I expect a good percentage of those I stick to start to kill zombies and barricade the multiple ransacked buildings. I would begin to conciously avoid reviving C4NT, however, if I knew that they would continue to get into situation where they don't help survivors but instead intend to throw themselves into the breech for, in all reality, the pride of death. --Karlsbad 14:17, 21 July 2006 (BST)
My mistake, I thought you were one of 'em. Anyhow, most Channel 4 News Team guys don't end up dead in my various attacking campaigns. Barrville wasn't even too bloody, until the Big Bash rolled through- and I think that took everyone by surprise, not just us. We're also not going for another mall siege. I'm tired of them and would much rather kill the zombies in the area and then let someone else handle the siege part, should anyone so choose. If not, the zombies are more than welcome to take the mall. We've got no use for it- and if we did, we'd just be sitting at Caiger.
We're also not primarily attacking the RRF. I know they like to think everyone is gunning for them, but really, I'm not. They're just another zombie group, in my eyes, and I attacked them earlier because they just happened to be there and look ready for something. It's really the pride of killing that makes us do what we do. That's why people join the News Team, so how could I ask them to do anything else?
Since you seem worried about revives- and it's a legitimate worry- I should say that persnally, I've got 6 syringes on hand, no guns, and am planning on hitting the local revive point tomorrow. I'll give the News Team guys the heads up regarding that, too. The place we're heading is just as dangerous as the SW and it'll be cleaned up as long as we stay there, so what's the difference between fixing Central Malton and fixing Southwest Malton? I've tried long cleaning campeigns and they don't work too well. They take months and while you're working on them, things happen elsewhere that you know you should have been a part of. We'll be down south eventually, if it allays any fears, but first we need to deliver a victory and raise morale and such.
Most importantly, don't worry, man! Your criticisms don't fall on deaf ears and I'm glad to have them. Hell, I need them since I fancy myself something of a pragmatist. I've got no definite plans after fighting around Ackland, and since I don't regard the RRF as higher than any other group, we'll probably head down south when we're done- and we'll probably be done sooner than one would think, since there's no plan for a mall siege, just some good ole shootin' and since people already rally around the flag. --Ron Burgundy 21:38, 21 July 2006 (BST)
Actually, I've just updated the plan a bit so as to involve more revives and altruism for our Classy friends from Southwestern and Central Malton. Hopefully, that'll place us on better footing as a worldly group capable of killing with one hand and coaxing with the other. Huzzah! --Ron Burgundy 21:49, 21 July 2006 (BST)
I'm totally not involved with this but I'd like to make it clear. The RRF is not expanding. Just that some people in Group 0 want to remain close to home but want to keep moving. So they'll tour around Central Malton. And everytime that I said SW Malton could use help I was talking as a survivor. You remind me of CMS. When the shit hit's the fan you're no where to be seen. "Help! Mall Tour is at Giddings. We need your help CMS." *crickets* "Help! Big Bash is hitting the SW. We need your help C4NT." *crickets* Sonny Corleone WTF 15:34, 21 July 2006 (BST)
Ah, a more offensive DoHS, I suppose? We'll make our way down south, Sonny, don't worry. Think of us in terms of CMS all you like, but I wouldn't be one to do that, if I were you. Have you been to Caiger lately? They're totally convinced of their own superiority to everyone else by virtue of their being large. --Ron Burgundy 21:38, 21 July 2006 (BST)
Sadly I cannot say I've been to Caiger lately. My zombie is in Edgecombe, PKer in Yagoton, and radio somewhere SE. However C4NT has done the same thing CMS did at Mall Tour. When shit hit the fan you said you were doing more important things. You've accomplished nothing in dying at Barhahville. If you went to SW Malton maybe survivor numbers wouldn't be so low. Everytime you go to a Mall siege that is that much more survivors dying. Sonny Corleone WTF 22:00, 21 July 2006 (BST)


"The best way to accomplish this would be to randomize the action code every day so that instead of, say, barricading you actually start to drop all your FAKs, or similar. The only way around this would be to actually click the button provided instead of having a program put in a URL"

can I draw up that suggestion?--Gage 02:30, 29 July 2006 (BST)
Please do, it allows me to vote keep on it. --Karlsbad 02:32, 29 July 2006 (BST)

A better strike

This is almost useless right now for the suggestions page, because of our old version of MediaWiki, but after the server is upgraded -- or for use outside of templates -- this version of striking things out is far superior, I think. Like it? –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 03:52, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Yeah, actually. I wonder if we should start using it on spammers such as the Patato guy. --Karlsbad 04:03, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Who's that? –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 04:40, 29 July 2006 (BST)
I meant Poopman9. I simply didn't remember the name other than it started with a P. --Karlsbad 05:45, 29 July 2006 (BST)
Ah, right. It should be handy, yep. –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 05:55, 29 July 2006 (BST)


Yeah, Jjames is at it again. Let's just get it over with, alright? –Bob Hammero ModB'cratTA 19:21, 2 August 2006 (BST)

  • It's been a couple of days and you have yet to present your case... I see you haven't been active, just reminding you. --V2Blast TP!CSR 19:42, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Hey Karl

What's up buddy? How have you been? I hadn't talked to you in a few weeks because I've been so busy with event planning. Just wanted to see what you were up to. Scinfaxi 06:27, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Damnit Karl, don't fuck with me, I know you're here! Pay attention to me. Scinfaxi 17:31, 30 August 2006 (BST)
Karl, the least you can do is return my phone calls. Seriously, that's pretty shitty when you've known me for this long. Next time you're all being pulled into a car by some large teenagers with baseball bats, see if I'm around to prevent the sexual assault that's likely to ensue. I know what it's like to have hot beer poured all over me. Anyways, that's beside the point. My point is you need to talk to me. Now. Or I'll pour hot beer all over you. Scinfaxi 05:36, 5 September 2006 (BST)
My favorite movie is Selena. Scinfaxi 23:29, 7 September 2006 (BST)

I have dropped the arbitration case if you are willing to agree.

I honestly thought your original statements were meant to be taken as a statement of fact. Since you have clarified them as opinions, I have no problems with them. No hard feelings?Jjames 19:29, 18 August 2006 (BST)

New Suburb Tag

yeah, the new suburb tag thing is 4 weeks already on discussion... isnt it time for you to write the final version of the policy and place it for voting ? --overlord hagnat mod 18:35, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Please stop lying.

You said in our arbitration that you would not make statements of fact that I was an alt. Then you did on the promotions page. I don't want this to keep going, and i've done nothing to antagonize you. Please show me some common courtesy and refrain from violating your word.Jjames 05:43, 5 September 2006 (BST)

News Team Vandalism

Remember the guy by the name of ImperialRedDragon from the Channel 4 News Team that got banned a while back for vandalism? If not, here's our short conversation about it. Anyway, he just got back to me on the forum and said he'd been away for a few months and is confused as hell about what happened. He thinks someone may have hijacked his account. I told him I'd look into things and see what's what, but I can't find a single bit of information regarding it on the wiki. He's not mentioned in the vandal report page and I can't find his userpage. There is, however, a cache google page about it[1] and he's just listed on the wall of shame, not the longer list. I'll PM a few of the mods about this later, but figured I'd ask you since you're the only one I know to have had dealings with it. Any idea what's going on? Ron Burgundy 06:28, 5 September 2006 (BST)

Alright, ImperialRedDragon was blocked by Xoid as a moderator on the 24th of July, with the perma-ban report being instituted by Xoid HERE. Considering the nature of his edits ("safing" all of the suburbs he edited) along with his vandal nature, I considered the possibility of a person using the name to discredit either the C4NT or a member of the C4NT acting decidedly un-classy and responded to you in the link above. If the explination is indeed true you could attempt to re-open the vandal case, specifically by asking Xoid. However if the account was indeed hacked it seems that it would be best for the user in question to begin a new account with a new name and password to avoid any problems and a whole lot of work. Hope that this helped! --Karlsbad 10:13, 5 September 2006 (BST)
Generally speaking, if the account was hacked, it's pretty much lost. I could unban the account, but I fail to see the point. If he really wants his user name back, tell him to email me, and I'll work out a unbanning time and give him some tips on making a secure password. Of course, if it was really stolen, odds are that it's gone permanently. I don't see why someone would leave the password and email the same if they so chose to steal it, so odds are that this would be for naught. –Xoid STFU! 11:49, 5 September 2006 (BST)

Thanks a bunch! I forwarded him the information here (as well as your email, Xoid), so I figure I'll post what he wrote to me, too:

"Hi, there - sorry for the delay in my response, I've just returned after a two month leave of absence. I must say, I'm more than a little confused about this. I actually found out about it a couple of days ago when Grippy told me to Google my UD/NW names and the Wiki page about ImperialRedDragon being banned came up in the results. I looked into it and saw what happened and decided to check my old email ( which I haven't used in months. After skimming through the mail, I found a Wiki confirmation message that expired about a month ago. Whomever signed up under me also knew my old email, which I still had in my profile here on the forums, until last night. I told Grippy what happened, he said it was probably an attempt to hurt you, more than it was me. Still, by the beard of Zeus, you were right, this is VERY unclassy. I actually made my first Wiki account last week under my Nexus War name, Angels Don't Kill. Still, this really concerns me because whomever did it must have seen my profile here and saw the email address. I haven't used the UD wiki in some time, but I'd really like to look further into this."

And then later, when I told him I couldn't find anything about his account or his account, itself:

"It's a possibility that it was someone using my computer, I'm usually pretty laid back about my friends coming in and out, using it and what-not, so maybe. As fr not finding anything about me being banned on the Wiki, did you Google ImperialRedDragon or Imperial Red Dragon? When I found it, I didn't put spaces between the words, so if you haven't done that, you might want to try it." Ron Burgundy 03:37, 6 September 2006 (BST)


Hi, I was wondering why did you do this?--Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 04:45, 6 September 2006 (BST)

New suburb tag

I don't know why I'm the first on pointing this to you on your Talk page, but whatever: The wording has a fatal flaw. Please check the against votes, withdraw it and resubmit it with the recommended changes. Thanks =) --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 01:38, 7 September 2006 (BST)


Meaning? --Axe Hack 04:39, 10 September 2006 (BST)

Put this into simplier terms....was that edit summary for me or someone else? --Axe Hack 04:44, 10 September 2006 (BST)
You HAVE to EXPLICITLY put permission of users to edit other user's pages. Otherwise we have problems like the we just had. Retraction of this statement would be to renige on your position, which would prove to have Xoid's original Ruling to be put into effect. --Karlsbad 04:46, 10 September 2006 (BST)
Second point: It is to everyone and anyone who wants to screw with it, because you all are on crack, in my opinion.--Karlsbad 04:46, 10 September 2006 (BST) Though if you want to change it into a banner-template of some sort, feel free, as long as the Explicit permission is clear. --Karlsbad 04:47, 10 September 2006 (BST)
That is ridiculous. If Gold Blade and Axe had a falling out, and Axe removed that Gold Blade would not be banned again. That is ridiculous2--Gage 04:50, 10 September 2006 (BST)
It is. However so is giving reverse-permission to edit pages. Anyway, I'm not going to say that it lasts forever: but I hope that their friendship will ride out long enough that people will forget about it, much like they did with the last time this happened. --Karlsbad 04:53, 10 September 2006 (BST)
Oh no. I'm not going to forget this in a hurry. Cyberbob  Talk  04:54, 10 September 2006 (BST)
Unlike the last time? People forgot about the last time fast. Or do you not care? --Axe Hack 04:56, 10 September 2006 (BST)
The last time didn't involve me recieving a warning, did it? So I'd say I've got a pretty good reminder of this incident. Cyberbob  Talk  04:58, 10 September 2006 (BST)
Do I not care? WTF? Are you just throwing stock phrases into your comments, hoping they'll make sense? Cyberbob  Talk  04:59, 10 September 2006 (BST)
Last time the only mods that were involved were Me and Xoid. Xoid Forgot, I didn't. I don't plan to forget this time either. I actually bet that both Cyber and you will, because in the time from here until last time (2 and a half months?) There have probably been a hundred new users with a hundred new problems and it was easily forgot then. Therefore by the time of New Year's Day, I bet that the issue and even most of the people involved will have been forgot. --Karlsbad 05:04, 10 September 2006 (BST)

The issue about GB is better suited to someone elses talk page, isn't it?

I offer mine. --Gold Blade 06:10, 10 September 2006 (BST)

No, it is not. They're talking about you, not to you, and the discussion is between Karlsbad and Axe Hack. Karlsbad's talk page is a fine location for it. –Xoid STFU! 14:20, 10 September 2006 (BST)

Misconduct case

I wuold add this comment on the actual Misconduct case, but because it's more related to you than to the actual case I feel ankward adding it there: Thanks. Thanks for looking at all that drama with a neutral POV. And thanks for taking on account the opinion of normal users like me. I couldn't thank you enough.

tyfyc. Way to introduce your rant as well. --Karlsbad 05:13, 10 September 2006 (BST)

Your Lack of a Vouch

Now, about the Against. Well, I usually defend my opinion until rightifully proved wrong (if you look at Bob Hammero's sandbox, in the "Making the guidelines not suck" project, I changed my mind plenty of times when Xoid and Bob gave me enough arguments against it). I probably was hard and left no space to doubt that I wanted Cyberbob to be punished: I really found his actions very low and obeying personal interests rather than his moderator duties. Injustice p.i.s.s.e.s. m.e. o.f.f., that describes me pretty well. Like I publicly showed that I feel that MrAushvitz bannings over a technicality were "pretty stupid" (c'mon, to ban him because he made 4 suggestions in less than 24 hs when he obviously thought that the rule said "no more than 3 suggestions per wiki day", and thus his actions weren't bad faith, was kinda picky), or that I always defended a newbie's first edits as "non bad faith, thus not vandalism". I handled the fire sword today, tomorrow you'll probably see me handling the Icebrand again. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 04:59, 10 September 2006 (BST)

Jesus, if this is about my LACK OF A VOUCHE, let it go. I have never, ever, changed my mind just because of an impassioned plea to my talk page: see above. Furthermore, campaigning for vouches (and thanking others for their vouches) is tacky, and I don't plan on reconsidering this vouche-cycle, unless I see actual evidence of change.
About Cyber: if I actually cared about your opinion of him, I would have asked it.--Karlsbad 05:08, 10 September 2006 (BST)
Hahaha, got yah. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 05:11, 10 September 2006 (BST)
Like I said, it wasn't fucking about personal feelings. If I'd seen anyone else doing that, I would've done the same thing. Cyberbob  Talk  05:01, 10 September 2006 (BST) were sure fast to put up a vandal report of him without knowing the complete story. --Axe Hack 05:05, 10 September 2006 (BST)
I would have too, Axe-Gash. The complete story is that you don't want a friend to be harmed for his idiocy and be rightfully warned to NEVER DO IT AGAIN. The rule that I cited would have been enforced EITHER WAY, no matter who reported it. --Karlsbad 05:10, 10 September 2006 (BST)

I can only guess as to the amount of gloating Gold Blade is going to indulge in next time he comes on. Cyberbob  Talk  05:38, 10 September 2006 (BST)


Karl, don't be a fucking moron. If you actually had a college education you'd know something about libel. You don't though, so let me inform you while being as arrogant as possible. Libel only has to be malicious if the victim is a public figure. Otherwise, you do not have to prove malicious intent. I will refrain from filing my lawsuit against you though, I'm sure your kids need all the money they can get from your Wal-Mart pay check. We've got dialogue though! Scinfaxi 22:37, 10 September 2006 (BST)

Free legal advice for the retarded! Scinfaxi 22:39, 10 September 2006 (BST)
I'm sorry Karl, that was wrong of me. You're a good friend and I love you dearly. I like barely legal shit. Scinfaxi 07:16, 12 September 2006 (BST)
Karlito, read the link above before you act like you know anything about libel. The standard of proof for libel regarding PUBLIC FIGURES means you need to prove malicious intent. For non-public figures however, you don't need to prove malicious intent Also, you're not a girl right? I could call you Karla. Scinfaxi 03:45, 28 September 2006 (BST)


Hi Karlsbad! Whats going on? --TriPageWikiVandal 02:48, 15 September 2006 (BST)

Suburb page, NPOV

i just noticed you edited someone else comment in the suburb page, telling him to keep it NPOV. Well, the user behind the commend signed that post. So, unless you want people bitchin about impersonation and vandalism, i suggest you to take the user signature away, or keep his comment as it was. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 03:24, 20 September 2006 (BST)

Actually the rule is that it has to be signed; I could have deleted the entire report and re-stated it the way I choose, and resigned it myself. However I've done what I just did (eliminating POV-flamebait statements) before, and I've never seen a report about it yet; so I believe that, as stated, the intent is clear that the Suburb page is not the Recruitment or a Group page. --Karlsbad 03:30, 20 September 2006 (BST)
Well... i just hope you dont get into trouble for that. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 03:35, 20 September 2006 (BST)
Don't plan to. --Karlsbad 03:42, 20 September 2006 (BST)
There has been a report for it before, and the user got warned. If you want to keep it on the level, rewrite it yourself or revert it. –Xoid STFU! 03:48, 20 September 2006 (BST)
Wow, third chances? --Karlsbad 03:52, 20 September 2006 (BST)
Not sure if I follow you, but if you're implying that I've been more lenient of late, you'd be right. –Xoid STFU! 04:00, 20 September 2006 (BST)

About the suburub page, again. Remember this edit ? Man, look what have you done. I am glad i noticed this today --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 02:32, 22 September 2006 (BST)

Vandal Banning, Gage

heya Karl. You sure you want to keep that not vandalism ruling on gage ? Those joke vandal cases are not serious, and he was just trying to flame the page. He even reported Amazing, for god sake! He clearly deserves a warning not to joke with the vandal banning page. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 05:07, 25 September 2006 (BST)

The ones jjames is reporting (Gold Blade) you have ruled upon: so if you think that that is a joke case- funny but a little off-beat humor there! Gage also reported The General and Darth Sensitive: Reporting Amazing is simply an extention of that, which Jjames isn't reporting at all n the case. And I don't think banning Amazing AGAIN is an issue. --Karlsbad 05:13, 25 September 2006 (BST)

Gold blade was different. Jjames has a little case against The General, this is the only *actual* case reported by Gage in there. Darth Senstive just made a little mistake and already said he was sorry, i already ruled this case. My point is, if gage can start reporting people for fun, soon we will have to create a Humorous Vandals page only to file all these reports. The Vandal Banning page should be a place not to joke with. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 05:19, 25 September 2006 (BST)

This is so strange comming from someone who two months ago were part of the Witch Hunters.
Yeah, it is kinda funny, considering I wasn't a part of it. Anyway, slippery slope For The Loss. --Karlsbad 05:22, 25 September 2006 (BST)
No no. I was part of the Witch Hunters, not you. Ok, i think i am not making myself understandable, so i am going to sleep. Adieu. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 05:35, 25 September 2006 (BST)
Night --Karlsbad 05:36, 25 September 2006 (BST)
Goodnight John boy! Scinfaxi 07:19, 26 September 2006 (BST)

A word

You wouldn't happen to have AIM would you? --Zod Rhombus 01:04, 26 September 2006 (BST)

nope, or IRC or MSN. --Karlsbad 01:05, 26 September 2006 (BST)
MSN contact? --Zod Rhombus 01:10, 26 September 2006 (BST)
Not using Microsoft systems. Whats the word? I don't like working in private. --Karlsbad 01:11, 26 September 2006 (BST)
O...K..Then you are not the one I need to speak to. Good evening. --Zod Rhombus 01:14, 26 September 2006 (BST)
Yippiee! I'm not part of some lame conspiracy! --Karlsbad 01:24, 26 September 2006 (BST)

In my opinion...

You are and always have been a pathetic little shit that can't let go of their petty little vendettas. You are a piss soaked nobody that has yet to stick anything to me, despite numerous attempts and constantly accuses me of trying to screw with the wiki without technically violating a rule. Well I'm sorry to threaten your little jerk off hobby, but it's not exactly like you've been able to prove a single thing, and if I am as guilty as you think, well haven't I gotten away with it? Of course I'm not guilty in the slightest, but it gladdens me to see you rant in your adult diapers that I am ruining your precious wiki. I do however worry that you'll one day awaken to see that you have devoted so much passion and energy to a wiki based on a simple 5 minute zombie game that pretty much everyone has moved on from by now.

The above is only an opinion.Jjames 01:33, 27 September 2006 (BST)

tyfyc. I also remark that the entertainment it brings watching you go from easily ignored to outright troll is well worth the ammount of times you've attempted and failed to impact my life. --Karlsbad 01:39, 27 September 2006 (BST)
For someone who is so easily ignored, you sure put a lot of effort in to trying to shut me down. Hell, you're more of a troll than I am, and you genuinely give a fuck. Here's a hypothetical question for you? Why don't you commit suicide?Jjames 01:58, 27 September 2006 (BST)
You WERE easily ignored. Now its entertainment. Having trouble reading again? I'll skip the last three sentances because they are again just you whining. --Karlsbad 02:00, 27 September 2006 (BST)
You have trouble reading, karla? You put effort in trying to shut me down in the past. Now that you have labeled me a troll, you are acting even more like a troll than I am. It is pure joy on my end too, so let's never stop. I guess i know have your permission to rail on you all I like. Thanks.Jjames 02:05, 27 September 2006 (BST)
Please continue. Until I take you to Arbys. --Karlsbad 02:07, 27 September 2006 (BST)
Take me to arbitration for what? Stating my opinion? Posing hypothetical questions? Posting on a page after you told em you found it entertaining? Please tell me under what precedent you will take me to arbitration for and post relevant edits.Jjames 02:12, 27 September 2006 (BST)
Because I can, and Arbitration being the wonderful beast that it is, it would work. --Karlsbad 02:16, 27 September 2006 (BST)
I am sick and tired of hearing everyone whining and yelling at each other! What is the fucking problem Jjames? Sorry for that outburst.--Canuhearmenow Hunt! 02:20, 27 September 2006 (BST)
I don't think it would after that particularly bad faith quote.Jjames 03:45, 27 September 2006 (BST)

Well in my opinion

Karlsbad is a damn good guy. I wish he would talk to me more, but he prefers the head instead of the ass end of the snake (you know what I'm talking about). Karlsbad, what do you think of a pro-war rally? Church burning? Scinfaxi 09:30, 27 September 2006 (BST)

Holy fuck, what about a cyber orgy? Aw man, that would be great! You think I can put graphic pictures on the wiki if it's in the context of an orgy? Scinfaxi 09:31, 27 September 2006 (BST)

Just asking

It's ok to remove all those crappy links to the vandalism boards? If so, I'll take them out.--Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 06:36, 3 October 2006 (BST)

Consider it reversion of vandalism. *waves hand* --Karlsbad 06:39, 3 October 2006 (BST)

Are you still

Around on the wiki these days? --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 07:16, 9 July 2007 (BST)

McZeds (new)

Thanks for being reasonable. My fear was that the company would die altogether. If it's all the same with you, I'll take my store off the list, contact the other managers, then if they want, take their stores off as well.--The-Not-So-Late Stuartbman The ThirdMcZeds.png MBE OBE 13:22, 13 September 2007 (BST)

Would be appreciated if you would.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 21:26, 19 September 2007 (BST)


The arbitrator ruled that McZeds to stay on the existing page and the New McZeds was to go on a different page. Nowhere was it said that the page would be turned into a disambiguation page. The group page is the property of the group leader. Quit it or face a vandal banning case.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 21:26, 19 September 2007 (BST)

  1. Arbitration cases only apply to the people mentioned, not the entire wiki
  2. COL is proof that the group page's name is not the property of the group leader.
  3. You aren't even the group leader
  4. This isn't a VB case & false reporting is, so take it to Arbys; I am not doing this out of Bad Faith, and have a legit precedent that I am following

--Karlsbad 22:16, 19 September 2007 (BST)

Wrong, check Council of Leaders is that a disambig page? Didn't think so. If you were going to make a disambig page it would go at McZeds (disambiguation) and perhaps put a link to it at the top of the McZeds page. Or, even better, just leave it as it is now with the disambig link at the top of the page. Just because some random person comes and makes a group of the same name doesn't mean that the original should be shifted off the page and turned into a disambig page. If that were true then I could just go create groups of the same name as every other group in the game and insist that they all have disambig pages. Also, I may not be the group leader but i'm acting on the will of the group leader.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 10:37, 20 September 2007 (BST)


Bully.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:49, 19 September 2007 (BST)

Miscontributation voting ruling thingamajig

Could you please specify a preferred outcome in your vote? We do kinda need to get that case finished, ruled on and archived. Thanks. --The Grimch U! E! 12:19, 20 September 2007 (BST)


I accidentally deleted two spam votes on Suggestion:20071008 Prevent Free Running from Ruined Buildings while tagging an unsigned comment. I suppose that serves me right for being nice. So, upon realising my mistake I returned them to their place and updated the tally. Since you were the closing sysop, I though I should let you know. Cheers! ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 09:39, 8 October 2007 (BST)

Well, I'm more pissed at Studoku for deleting the spam tag, really. --Karlsbad 01:25, 9 October 2007 (BST)

My sick vendetta agaisnt Sysops

Please sign your edits on the wiki. You can do this either by typing ~~~~ (four tildes), or by pressing the Sign.png button in the editing toolbar. Signing your edits in the standard format makes it much easier to identify when and who has made changes, and creates less work for sysops and other wiki users User:Axe27/Sig

I'm not going to let you forget this one = P.--User:Axe27/Sig 15:15, 13 October 2007 (BST)


You don't seem to have actauly given Ottotorrens or Harhar warnings on their talk pages, despite logging it in A/VD -- boxytalk • 01:47 9 November 2007 (BST)

Ooohhhh Burn! -Ottotorrens 14:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


I guess i am supposed to warn you that you are running for a Bureaucrat. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 00:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


Hi, you're not following instruction #3. --Funt Solo QT Scotland flag.JPG 09:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi again - you're still not following instruction #3 whilst mod-spaminating. --Funt Solo QT Scotland flag.JPG 11:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

A wild idea

I am not sure if you could be interested in something like this, but I would be happy if you could look at it and tell me what you think. -- John RubinT! ZG FER 23:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Witty Title

I know you mentioned that you were going to be paying attention to both Grim and I over the course of our arbitration. Before anyone points this or this out to the sysops on the vandalism page, I figured I'd talk to you about it. I'd prefer that he not get put up for vandalism for those edits (lord knows we don't need any further drama concerning this case), but if you would remind him that he should avoid making any edits or rulings concerning me and to let other sysops handle things, I would appreciate it, as I cannot post on his user page to remind him. Thanks. --Akule School's in session. 20:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I was acting in an official manner, as a sysop should. And we can chat here. I was merely cycling stuff, i do that all the bloody time. You should see how much of deletions, speedydeletions, protections and move requests ive cycled. That was just one more policy (Another place where i cycle crap). It isnt covered by that stupid little arb ruling anyway. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 20:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
"but if you would remind him that he should avoid making any edits or rulings concerning me". No. That is specifically the kind of operational functioning that the ruling took pains to allow. The two edits you mention are specific janitorial services that have no clear or direct difference between you or any other user. If Grim had used the edit comment to insert a pithy comment, you would have some ground to stand on, but as-is you are at best playing "gotcha". --Karlsbad 05:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Like in his vandal banning case? --Akule School's in session. 05:21, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't see how this is a reply to my original comment. --Karlsbad 05:24, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Referring to your statement about adding comments. Of course, I was originally stating that the case stated that Grim and Max should just walk away from rulings and things concerning me. I just figured that if it was mentioned to just leave me alone and let others do things concerning me we could avoid lots of problems. --Akule School's in session. 05:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Ironically the page in question would be a case of "letting others do things" if he had just not mentioned that the reason the page exists is to reply to you. --Karlsbad 05:54, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but that's still not really a great reason to justify a Arb ruling interfering directly with the Administration of the wiki.--Karekmaps?! 06:51, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The text Akule pointed out ("As a note, by requesting an Arbitration, all parties are thus obliged to accept the outcome of the Arbitration. Not doing will be considered Vandalism, and such vandalism attempts will be treated as if the vandal has already received two warnings") is actually part of the Guidelines, not of Conndraka's ruling. A/A ruling breachs are always meant to be received with an escalation of the banning status while ignoring warnings. Just felt you needed the hint. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRCT+1 06:52, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Inactivity Warning

Just letting you know that you have reached idle status as it has been 4 months since your last edit. Should you chose to remain idle then your account will be demoted as required by policy - Vantar 00:23, 11 April 2008 (BST)