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When I fall, I'll weep for happiness


So, canvassing and intimidation are working fairly well. We should make a campaign promise to PK everyone who votes against us, whaddaya think? ;) ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 13:11, 3 July 2010 (BST)


Let's get this party started! - Poodle of Doom 23:33, 3 July 2010 (BST)

My Vote

In the mayor election is very much up for grabs. Best offer between you and Kyle gets it.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:42, 4 July 2010 (BST)

There is no div mask over the + button. I use IE.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:25, 4 July 2010 (BST)
This makes Mis sad. He spent far too long delicately adjusting the position of it by trial and error. :( When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 17:28, 4 July 2010 (BST)
Also, with compatibility mode, it's too far to the left. :P I'll vote for you if you give me Home Secretary of Malton, without the silly signature thing. I care far more for titles than I do for a ranking list.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:29, 4 July 2010 (BST)
Deal. I also expect you to sort out housing issues. That's what home secretaries do right? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 17:30, 4 July 2010 (BST)
Nope, Immigration. So, realistically, I'll have a pretty cushy job. Now, the election decides whether my title is Home Secretary or Shadow Home Secretary.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:31, 4 July 2010 (BST)

If Misanthropy loses the election, Yonnua Koponen shall change the links in this template so that they link on the first two names, and not on Axe Hack.

ON AS MANY SUB-PAGES AS POSSIBLE!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:19, 4 July 2010 (BST)
Cheating-dice.jpg Cheater
Misanthropy cheats. Deal with it.
--•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 18:26, 4 July 2010 (BST)

I opt to be Secretary of Defense, or that template shall appear everywhere. The choice is simple. I already have an army ready for combat. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 18:36, 4 July 2010 (BST)

How about the Secretary of Defense's secretary? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 18:39, 4 July 2010 (BST)
Secretary of Defense. Nothing lower. Or everyone shall know you own a pair of dice that is 6 on all sides. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 18:40, 4 July 2010 (BST)
I actually own a small flotilla of blank dice... When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 18:42, 4 July 2010 (BST)
SecDef, or I use my army for a military takeover on your new government. And effectiviely steal all your dice. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 18:44, 4 July 2010 (BST)
Not mah dice! You can has. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 18:45, 4 July 2010 (BST)

My sig... no longer here, so +1. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 17:46, 4 July 2010 (BST)

The Ruling

You and Axe Hack shall be forced to link to the Chilean Blob in their signatures and you will both create e-penis templates and present these templates to Giles on his talk page in a timely manner not to exceed 4 (four) days. Additionally they will be banned from commenting on each others talk pages for a period of 1 (one) day, effective immediatly. - Poodle of Doom 23:55, 4 July 2010 (BST)

You can talk to Axe again. The time span has elapsed. Don't forget to get with Giles! ;) - Poodle of Doom 04:21, 6 July 2010 (BST)


About 4 hours to go. You have a lead of two votes, but I'll try to get some more IRL meatpuppets to bulk it up if I can.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:50, 5 July 2010 (BST)

Yey! When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 20:53, 5 July 2010 (BST)
What bullshit! I'd of been happy to change my vote, had you guys not been spamming, now I'm going to go change it for the other guys. - Poodle of Doom 20:54, 5 July 2010 (BST)
Yeah that's entirely correct. ¬_¬ When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 20:55, 5 July 2010 (BST)
BTW, if you 2 win. Who's going to be in overall control? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:50, 5 July 2010 (BST)
Me, then Rev. Think of him as my John Prescott. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:51, 5 July 2010 (BST)
You have a nine vote lead going in to the last hour. Break out the champagne, Mr Mayor.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:13, 6 July 2010 (BST)

Nice try, but I'm too quick for you.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:48, 5 July 2010 (BST)

And Yonnua Koponen survives ANOTHER real-time shooting. Take that, National Academy Awards!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:02, 5 July 2010 (BST)
I'll get you, don't worry. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:04, 5 July 2010 (BST)
Not if I get you first! Can't you see? I'm disposing of the wiki regulars one by one!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:06, 5 July 2010 (BST)
If I get killed at all in this Manhunt I'll give you a trophy. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:08, 5 July 2010 (BST)
Done! No backsies! After all, tomorrow is a new day...--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:09, 5 July 2010 (BST)

CONGRATULATIONS!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 01:04, 6 July 2010 (BST)

Cabinet Position

Popsicle Pete was dealing with other matters when your offer for a cabinet position in exchange for a vote was made. Regardless, Popsicle Pete demands the position, had it not been filled yet. Popsicle Pete does not go home empty-handed. None of you are safe, KurtCocaine 06:11, 6 July 2010 (BST)

Popsicle Pete accepts your offer. None of you are safe (from governing over your ice cream), KurtCocaine 06:16, 6 July 2010 (BST)


Just a reminder that you have 1 day to create an e-penis template and then present it to me on my talk page as per the recent arbitration ruling. Failure to comply may result in bans or worse. Thank you.--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 16:43, 7 July 2010 (BST)


...My sig is about to get archived, so I'm just putting this here for the future. ;) +1 --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 17:08, 8 July 2010 (BST)


Got any advice to make my group really tkae off? LaBrigade 00:26, 16 July 2010 (BST)

still cant figure it out sorry(new to this) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LaBrigade (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.

umm my info,clan image and stuff|.Group Numbers-2.Goals:An Arsenal and Resistance Front for any group.Image- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LaBrigade (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.

If you wanna use that image for your group, there's an upload feature on the sidebar to the left, and from there it's simple enough to replace the pacman image in the box on your group page with your new one. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 00:02, 13 July 2010 (BST)

i need someone to make a group for me my group name is Tactical Terror Resistance Front —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LaBrigade (talkcontribs) 01:43, July 10, 2010.

Okay, seriously, Mis, you do WAY too much. I was just typing up a comment about how that's not really something we do, and here you go and do it... Aichon 01:56, 10 July 2010 (BST)

It's not even the first time, either. I should probably sandbox a subst template I can use for it in the future, I think this is number four. Tongue :P When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 01:57, 10 July 2010 (BST)


Tried to post a comment via the standard wiki talk page interface but found myself unable to. I believe this constitutes your 1 week's notice. ;) ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 06:36, 10 July 2010 (BST)

He actually asked about it in advance and I think the consensus was that people were either indifferent or okay with it, given that the + shouldn't be used if you want to follow the guidelines of his page. Aichon 08:24, 10 July 2010 (BST)
Page guidelines are of debatable enforceability, especially compared to breaking wiki functionality, and the reason I noticed was because it's actually always present even when you scroll down and thus obscures page elements further down the page.
I'm not overly fussed about this one compared to others, just wanted to make sure – and it's a good thing he checked first (though I will read your link to see what exactly the arguments were ;)). That said, there are a few about that are definitely nowhere near as benign as this, and I intend to attempt to eradicate them where I see them. :D Cheers! ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 08:42, 10 July 2010 (BST)
Hmm...I hadn't noticed the scrolling issue previously, but you're completely correct. And definitely read the link! As for enforceability, that wasn't what I was getting at. I was citing that as his "pressing reason" for doing it, which would give him the reason he needed to break wiki functionality, as you put it. Plus, later versions of wiki software allow you to remove that link outright, so if the wiki were upgraded, this would be a non-issue since it's a feature of the software itself. Aichon 08:48, 10 July 2010 (BST)
I shake my fist at you, Rev! Grr! Argh! *shaking fist* When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 18:45, 10 July 2010 (BST)

FYI this is what I'm talking about. ↓ ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 21:39, 10 July 2010 (BST)

I knew it did that, but at the same time, it's always right at the top where you should have already read by the time you've scrolled enough for it to obscure it. I don't know how to block the "+" any other way though. Also you seem to have the same problem I used to - your sig totally doesn't look like it does in your image when I view it, it's just plain text. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:42, 10 July 2010 (BST)
I see his sig as is, but with slightly less fancy font.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:46, 10 July 2010 (BST)
You don't have the right fancy fonts installed, so it's falling back to defaults. Also, given that it's covering my sig, is it technically impersonation? :P ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 21:50, 10 July 2010 (BST)
I have this problem with the majority of these previous sigs. What font is it meant to be? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:52, 10 July 2010 (BST)
Read it yourself. :P (My sandbox has font download links.) ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 22:00, 10 July 2010 (BST)
Links don't work, man. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:03, 10 July 2010 (BST)
Fuck. By the date on that page, guess it's been a while, huh? ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 22:06, 10 July 2010 (BST)
Tell you what. You go get a hold of Neuropol and Fiolex Girls and you'll be able to actually see half of the stuff I've made on the wiki properly. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:09, 10 July 2010 (BST)
Mine was part of the standard Microsoft TTF Font Pack (and came with Office etc) for a long time (and was even available for use on *nix systems). Yours? :P Trade disks in the back alley in 20 minutes? ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 22:11, 10 July 2010 (BST)
Mine came as standard on my lappy, which just runs the standard Office suite. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:15, 10 July 2010 (BST)
Of course! He's made it look like Revenunt posted that! How dare he besmirch Revenunt's good name!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:52, 10 July 2010 (BST)
That bastard! He steals the credit for everything! Grr! Argh! *shaking fist* ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 22:00, 10 July 2010 (BST)
Apparently you lack the Cochin font as well, so you're falling back on Arial for my sig. Cochin comes standard with Office, I thought, but I may very well be incorrect about that. It makes a BIG difference in how mine appears though. Arial is so heavy-handed compared to the elegance of Cochin. Aichon 03:52, 11 July 2010 (BST)

Arkham Asylum/Recruit

ORPHAN.jpg Orphaned Page
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Please note that the link provided below will not remove the page from Orphaned Pages, so you'll still need to manually make a link for us. Thank you.

Your page, Arkham Asylum/Recruit, was not linked to on the wiki. This message is just to provide a link for it and clear it from our orphanage. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:19, 10 July 2010 (BST)

And Mis becomes the latest wiki regular to be targetted by my orphan messages...--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:06, 10 July 2010 (BST)

What did I tell you about doing too much, Mis? Hmmm....? Aichon 11:35, 10 July 2010 (BST)

And also at you Yon! Grr! Argh! *shaking fist*
Aich your time will come too. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 18:45, 10 July 2010 (BST)

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yo yo yo , I wanted to clear up what i'd said on a/bp cause I didn't want you thinking i consider you a bad ssyop. I vote aichon and i said you let personal opinions override your better judgement as an op, I hope you don't take this personally. I don't meant you're a bad op, in fact, I think you're one of the best at the moment, particularly your presence in the entire place, if only we'd had that back in early 09. Either way, don't take what I said personally plz, it's only a critical analysis of the ops and while I maintain what I said it true I don't expect you to consider it a bad form, off hand comment. Just a heads up that I do respect you, especially knowing that at my worst I'm not any better. Or any soberere.

DDR. -- 18:37, 11 July 2010 (BST)
Meh. I get involved tenaciously when I see things either being done wrong or being done when they shouldn't, if that holds me back from promotion then I'm not the man for the job. You apologise too much. Tongue :P When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 18:57, 11 July 2010 (BST)
Perhaps. I re-read the comment and felt somewhat bad, as if I was being unecessarily harsh on yoy, wanted to make sure you didn't feel it was focussed on you etc. BTW I just had an epic battle with my friend in Fifa 10, Dutch vs spain. As a part-dutch I played Holland and won 1-0. Placing this here as some sort of octopus-clairvoyant-win incase they pull it off and I can pretend I'm an octopus master for a night : D -- 19:22, 11 July 2010 (BST)
I'm hoping the Dutch win it simply because Gabby Quinteros and Miss Hybrid are handing out free blowjobs if they do. I assume "free" does not include airfare :( When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 19:30, 11 July 2010 (BST)
I AM NOT TEH OCTOPUZ -- 22:02, 11 July 2010 (BST)
No free bjs? :( When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:04, 11 July 2010 (BST)
You're the anti-pus.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:04, 11 July 2010 (BST)
I just read this, and this is a painful reminder :( --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 23:31, 23 July 2010 (BST)

Like hell...

...I'm gonna let you archive my sig off this page. This is here for that future +1! --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 17:19, 12 July 2010 (BST)

You know, it's you posting this message that makes your previous message get archived. There's a strange John Connor feel to that. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 17:21, 12 July 2010 (BST)
I know. It's better letting my message archive it than rather someone else post a new message and archiving it. Because if someone else posts a new message, there's gonna be a nice gap in time where my siggy's not linked here. =P --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 23:34, 12 July 2010 (BST)

Asking you... to make something! How do I make pages like this? I really need to know so I can start making my character pages. --Audience of One 02:17, 17 July 2010 (BST)

Okay, thanks mate. I'll get to making those character pages. Shouldn't really take long :p. I'll be using the set up Hashk did. --Audience of One 03:48, 17 July 2010 (BST)
Another question, how do I put the text like Hashk did under the picture of Sophie? --Audience of One 03:50, 17 July 2010 (BST)
Thanks mate. I finished one, one more to go (User:Audience of One/Babyteeth) and then I'll start working on my main page :). --Audience of One 04:47, 17 July 2010 (BST)
All done. Check it out and tell me what you think.

Grah D:. I forgot to put the timestamp. So, you lead a group? Considering you front page I guess its a PK'er group? --Audience of One 23:37, 17 July 2010 (BST)

Which is yours? I may be interested in it with my Dr. Red character. --Audience of One 23:44, 17 July 2010 (BST)
Yeah, it looks like somethings I'd be interested in. I'm currently dead with Dr. Red. And time wise I'd rather be alive before I begin to make my way over there =/. --Audience of One 00:03, 18 July 2010 (BST)
Thanks for the links. I'll probably just try and get close to Millen Hills then hopefully one of your buddies can come and revive me :p. It'll probably take more then 2 days before I get close to it though. It just matters where your closes ally is, and if their willing to revive me =/. --Audience of One 01:11, 18 July 2010 (BST)
The walk is the problem, I'm all the way in Wykewood =/. --Audience of One 01:19, 18 July 2010 (BST)
I just found a old account. Currently dead in Richmond Hills, but it only takes 1AP to walk. The downside is that the account isn't has built up has Dr. Red. But with a pistol and ammo that can fix'd ;). I'll begin making my way up there. --Audience of One 01:19, 18 July 2010 (BST)
Great, I'm at Donnan Drive under Robert Egleton. I got some AP left over, so I could get closer to you or one of your guys. --Audience of One 01:28, 18 July 2010 (BST)

Tell me where to go mate, and I'll be there ;). --Audience of One 18:46, 18 July 2010 (BST)

The Jeffrey Building is ruined :s --Audience of One 19:26, 19 July 2010 (BST)
I'm going to restock in Raines Hills for now. Then head down to Shearbank and kill some things :p. --Audience of One 20:08, 19 July 2010 (BST)


I forgot how to link my team profile to my group in game name That is all.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:21, 17 July 2010 (BST)

Tongue :P When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 18:22, 17 July 2010 (BST)
I nearly killed Oidar twice there. He rose as a zed and attacked me, but I logged on and got him to 5 before he vanished.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:23, 17 July 2010 (BST)
Disappeared? Oh, I was there. Some hero decided to cleanse a dark building. Oidar 19:30, 17 July 2010 (BST)

Axe Hack Advertisement Inc.

This is just a message informing you your ad has expired. We hope you do business with us again in the future. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 12:05, 23 July 2010 (BST)

'Play Dead (and Invisible)'

I've typed up an even more elaborate version of my 'Play Dead' tactic for PKers/death cultists (see here), that goes beyond the obvious application for those types of characters (which would be to 'Play Dead' outside the nearest entry point to the target, for AP efficiency reasons, I suppose). You probably have more experience than most in this field, could you gave my concept a read, please, and let me know what you think? Thanks --BOSCH 22:34, 23 July 2010 (BST)

Thanks, that's the sort of insight gleamed from experience that I lack, and has given me a fair idea of how useful this could actually be, cheers for reading. --BOSCH 23:23, 23 July 2010 (BST)
No probs. Just remember to always assume the worst when you're facing harmans. They'll light dark buildings to scare off those pesky PKers, not thinking that they'd also be safe from said PKers if they stayed in the dark. ¬_¬ When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:28, 23 July 2010 (BST)


One has been checkusering me, I notice... Who do you suspect me of being?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:53, 24 July 2010 (BST)

Maps. Also maybe me. Et tu Yonnua? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:56, 24 July 2010 (BST)
I now know the whereabouts of Maps. To a pretty freakish level.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:06, 24 July 2010 (BST)
IP doesn't match anyone else though. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:09, 24 July 2010 (BST)
Oh no, he probably is just an average guy. I say we nominate him for sysop.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:11, 24 July 2010 (BST)
DO IT When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:13, 24 July 2010 (BST)
Nah, pretty sure we'd get in trouble. We'd see the WOOT precedent bandied around, then we'd counter with a more recent case about a first time thing, such as Jerrel, and we'd get off. But it would be close, and I'm not risking my pristine record.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:15, 24 July 2010 (BST)
Here and here would be your precedent. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:17, 24 July 2010 (BST)
Poor choice of case. Many of the rulings stipulated that if you did it again, it would be vandalism.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:20, 24 July 2010 (BST)
Which is why I'm not doing it. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:21, 24 July 2010 (BST)
Besides, pristine records are for losers. All of us cool cats (yes, I just said "cool cats") have marks against us, ya hear? Aichon 23:49, 24 July 2010 (BST)
Yeah, but you've both got Misconduct, this would be VB. :P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:05, 25 July 2010 (BST)
We've all got vandalism cases against us. Its part of the process. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:19, 25 July 2010 (BST)
You don't...--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:21, 25 July 2010 (BST)
I got taken to vb for my first ever edit. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:28, 25 July 2010 (BST)
I actually went looking for that recently, it was hilarious. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 18:24, 25 July 2010 (BST)
Dayum... Well at least you have no vandal data. :P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:18, 25 July 2010 (BST)
Some of us have never been taken to A/VB. :P Aichon 02:37, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Some of us have never been banned.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 11:36, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Wtf @ you being checkusered :( haha -- 22:27, 25 July 2010 (BST)


I been having trouble getting a hold of most if not all the Pker groups. For this to work we need more people in on this. --Spoook 23:32, 24 July 2010 (BST)

I wanted to...

But I thought I'd let you do it. - Poodle of Doom 00:43, 25 July 2010 (BST)

Just think...

It could always be so much worse,.... and most of those pages are protected. Sorry bout the loss by the way.... - Poodle of Doom 06:53, 26 July 2010 (BST)

The loss? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 06:55, 26 July 2010 (BST)
You've no longer got the quickest mod hands in the west buddy... - Poodle of Doom 06:57, 26 July 2010 (BST)
It's not about speed, it's about endurance. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 07:00, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Says the guy that can't tell the difference between the front and the back. ;) Aichon 07:05, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Still,... if my group ever tanks,... which I highly doubt will happen,.... it's going to be a real bitch for you guys when I ask for a "Bang! Pow! Nom!" - Poodle of Doom 07:22, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Why would you delete your group if it tanks? Mine tanked after a while, but I love the memories and the pages. Either ways, mass-deleting is the easiest mass-thing to do, the button for "delete" is almost always in the same spot on the page so all you have to do is "ctrl+tab" and click the "deletes" as fast as you can. Easy sailing. -- 11:42, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Exactly. You can be done in just a few minutes with dozens and dozens of pages. Of course, if you supply a reason for deletion, even a c/p one, it takes longer since that involves an extra mouse move per deletion, which adds a surprising amount of additional time. Aichon 11:46, 26 July 2010 (BST)
That explains the speed. I was manually mousing "delete", "delete", "close tab", rinse and repeat. Fucking shortuctters. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 17:42, 26 July 2010 (BST)
It's like finding out the whole pro league do steroids. I say we exclude them from all future contests.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:50, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Isn't it harder if the pages are protect though? I thought I was told once before that the pages would have to be unprotected? - Poodle of Doom 18:09, 26 July 2010 (BST)
No, when you delete a protected page, it unprotects, so you have to reprotect it.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:25, 26 July 2010 (BST)
I see,... I don't know any of this, because I've never been a sysop... here or otherwise. - Poodle of Doom 18:29, 26 July 2010 (BST)
As far as I know, not many of us knew about it. I only found out because Aichon stumbled across an unprotected VB archive after SA's suicide attempt.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:33, 26 July 2010 (BST)
That's only vaguely familar to me... - Poodle of Doom 19:51, 26 July 2010 (BST)
SA deleted all of the admin pages two or three times in the space of a few hours. It was quite a big deal. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 20:12, 26 July 2010 (BST)
See, I thought he was running around deleting everything.... - Poodle of Doom 21:47, 26 July 2010 (BST)
He deleted Iscariot's user page, if you count that as everything.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:44, 27 July 2010 (BST)
Meh, I did that before it was cool. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 18:47, 27 July 2010 (BST)

While I'm here, vote in your barhah contest!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:50, 27 July 2010 (BST)


i zteel fr0m u -- 13:15, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Stop thief. No welcome wagon hello stranger with that good coffee flavor for you. Offer expires while you wait. Operators are standing by. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 17:45, 26 July 2010 (BST)

You heard...

...The good news?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:36, 26 July 2010 (BST)

They're re-issuing Spyrion? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 20:37, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Better news.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:38, 26 July 2010 (BST)
To do with eagles?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:45, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Are they touring again? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 20:46, 26 July 2010 (BST)
<.< --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:52, 26 July 2010 (BST)
To do with flying like eagles?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:52, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Abra abra cadabra, gonna reach out grab you? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:00, 26 July 2010 (BST)
To do with Ed Miliband?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:01, 26 July 2010 (BST)
And the leadership election?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:11, 26 July 2010 (BST)
I really like your peaches, wanna shake your tree? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:13, 26 July 2010 (BST)
And how he's winning?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:20, 26 July 2010 (BST)
I’ve got a heart like a wheel, feel like I got to roll? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:24, 26 July 2010 (BST)
And very likely to be Prime Minister in 10 months time?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:56, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Time keeps on slipping, slipping, slipping, into the future? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:01, 26 July 2010 (BST)
When the coalition falls apart, and David Cameron is forced to call a general election?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:06, 26 July 2010 (BST)
Oh, oh, big old jet airliner, don't carry me too far away? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:09, 26 July 2010 (BST)
And when Labour will win?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:10, 26 July 2010 (BST)


Must. Keep. Siggy. Here... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 12:07, 27 July 2010 (BST)

A question

Greetings, oh once and future Mayor, er...once and briefly Ahem. Anyway-I have a question. I happened to run across a new player who is forming a fledgling zombie group and he asked me so I thought I might forward it to you (since I am a lotech luddite with the keyboarding skills of a trained chimp) To wit and I quote: "Thank you! Yes, my son explained the alt-abuse thing to me after the first weekend of playing. I try to keep all my alts in separate areas. I have one each of the four basic classes, but I've only made character pages for three so far. How do I add my Menagerie group page to the list of groups? I tried to edit the Zombie Groups page to add the link, but when I click edit, I only see the first couple of sentences for the page, not any of the alphabetized link lists.--scubamatt 17:41, 27 July 2010 (BST) Hmmm-that is a good question! Think I will forward it to see if I can get you a quick answer. Misanthropy is often helpful so I will toss it his way.--Belisarius17 18:26, 27 July 2010 (BST) I did not know why so I was wondering if there is a simple reason that I am not seeing? Thought I would ask for him to expedite the process. Regards and Thanks--Belisarius17 18:38, 27 July 2010 (BST)

Already responded to him, but thanks. I noticed it in the Recent Changes. Tongue :P When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 18:41, 27 July 2010 (BST)
Appreciate your help in the above-Thanks!--Belisarius17 20:55, 27 July 2010 (BST)

Check it out

That barricade situation we discussed on General Discussion seems to be evolving admirably. Your thoughts? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 01:00, 31 July 2010 (BST)


Feel free to spell check the RIAC page,... and let me know when you're done. I'll begin advertising it as soon as you are. And thanks for looking at it for me. - Poodle of Doom 00:29, 3 August 2010 (BST)

Dones. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 00:38, 3 August 2010 (BST)
Made a couple small changes. There's a reason why I did what I did in the first place. Relook it over and tell me what you think one last time please.... - Poodle of Doom 00:44, 3 August 2010 (BST)
Will do. Though pitched signifies that it's been pre-arranged to the extent that conflict is fore-known and isn't an ambush. I threw it in as you needed some kind of qualifier, given that "PKer Wars" have happened many times before. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 00:46, 3 August 2010 (BST)
I understand now. I will revert that back then. - Poodle of Doom 00:49, 3 August 2010 (BST)
It's your call, just letting you know the reasoning behind the word. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 00:50, 3 August 2010 (BST)
Now that I know the reason, it makes sense... Any of the groups your in interested in participating? - Poodle of Doom 00:58, 3 August 2010 (BST)
RDD should be taking part. Other may too but I'll be there with Haircuts. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 01:11, 3 August 2010 (BST)
What do you think about having seperate classifications? One scoreboard for groups, and another for lone survivors? We could rank groups against groups, individuals against individuals,.... what do you think of that idea? - Poodle of Doom 01:14, 3 August 2010 (BST)


Due to your interest in our event, as well as the help you have provided to us in the creation of it's page,... I'd like to extend to you the oppertunity to invite five groups of individuals. The invitation can be found here. - Poodle of Doom 01:12, 3 August 2010 (BST)

User:Misanthropy/The Barhah

The deadline for the contest has ended, you are now invited to choose your favourite entry and help determine the winner. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 01:15, 26 July 2010 (BST)

You should probably vote.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:48, 27 July 2010 (BST)
Poke poke poke poke poke poke poke. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 00:30, 4 August 2010 (BST)
Gimme a deadline. --VVV RPGMBCWS 00:58, 4 August 2010 (BST)
Now. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 01:06, 4 August 2010 (BST)
Well then, voting closed four minutes ago. I guess you don't get to vote either, eh? --VVV RPGMBCWS 01:10, 4 August 2010 (BST)
Grr! Argh! *shaking fist* Deadline extended for 15 minutes plus however long it takes. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 01:13, 4 August 2010 (BST)
Vote for me, <lie>and I'll change my vote to you!</lie> Then we can cause some drama fun! --VVV RPGMBCWS 01:20, 4 August 2010 (BST)
Well sure that seems like a gre- wait a minute. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 01:21, 4 August 2010 (BST)
Damn you democracy! --VVV RPGMBCWS 01:24, 4 August 2010 (BST)
It's a bitch ain't it. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 01:26, 4 August 2010 (BST)

Does that mean I win?--Ryvyoli Y R 09:00, 4 August 2010 (BST)

Sure why not. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 09:01, 4 August 2010 (BST)

Your Prize

Blender.jpg It's Safe...
Trips has given Mis a giant blender swimming pool for correctly guessing his philosophical beliefs. Go ahead, dive in.

Unity at all costs! --VVV RPGMBCWS 00:04, 5 August 2010 (BST)

Yey! When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 00:26, 5 August 2010 (BST)


+1. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 02:06, 5 August 2010 (BST)

Grr! Argh! *shaking fist* When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 02:07, 5 August 2010 (BST)
My siggy must be maintained on this page at all times, with the way you archive your page... ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 02:08, 5 August 2010 (BST)


Seriously, you need to resolve the contest. I'd take up Rosslessness' offer on the talk if I were you.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 23:46, 5 August 2010 (BST)

Maybe. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:47, 5 August 2010 (BST)
That, or declare me winner. Either works for me. Tongue :P --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 23:49, 5 August 2010 (BST)

LARGE RED TEXT Update your dino's group setting. We need to make it to the stats page and get REAL members.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 00:19, 8 August 2010 (BST)

Done. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 00:23, 8 August 2010 (BST)


Yo, not sure if you've been picked for a team in the Rage in a Cage yet, but if you're interested you can join the Manhunt All-Stars, I'd like it if you joined and helped us pwn :D -- 06:18, 6 August 2010 (BST)
I appreciate the invite, but I'm already bringing RDD along. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 16:07, 6 August 2010 (BST)


Thoughts on this? The precedent would be this if it was Misconduct.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 17:40, 6 August 2010 (BST)

I noticed it as well. You're not suppose to edit a protected page unless it's a necessary administrative edit, otherwise it's abuse of sysops power. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 17:54, 6 August 2010 (BST)
You agree? I'm thinking of taking it to A/M, pending Mis' response here.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 17:55, 6 August 2010 (BST)
Technically? Yeah, you have a case if you ask me. In the spirit of the rules it's misconduct. But, it may very well be a mistake. I don't know exactly how it works as a sysops, but maybe he didn't realize it was protected and thus it was an accident. But even on purpose, it's slap on the wrist/soft warning material considering the content, though actual misconduct if you're strict. In my opinion. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 18:13, 6 August 2010 (BST)
Well, that's why I'm asking his opinion. When you edit a protected page, a giant red notice appears, so mistakes are unlikely, but even if it was, in the SA precedent I linked he claimed it was a mistake.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 18:32, 6 August 2010 (BST)
I'm aware SA claimed it as a mistake, that's why I left that accident option open. I didn't know about red notice your talking about, though it still leaves the option he didn't know it wasn't allowed. Which is the most likely case scenario here then, unless he knew it wasn't allowed, but Mis is better than that so I doubt it. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 18:38, 6 August 2010 (BST)
I actually didn't notice it being protected at the time, I was just responding to Poodle. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:59, 6 August 2010 (BST)
There's also a difference in the nature of the posts. After all, calling them a penis is not exactly the same as writing a frowny face. Aichon 22:01, 6 August 2010 (BST)
Both are trolling comments which were unnecessary. However, Mis has a history of making stupid errors when posting (e.g. newbie welcomes on user pages instead of talks) so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with this one.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:06, 6 August 2010 (BST)
If you still think it's Misconduct, Thad, feel free to take it to Misconduct anyway, but I doubt the case will be successful.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:07, 6 August 2010 (BST)
I wasn't trolling this time (and you know I'd admit if I was). I was genuinely dismayed at losing a valuable laughing stock and wanted Poodle to know I wasn't just kidding about it. And i r not stoopid. :( When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:08, 6 August 2010 (BST)
Minus the part about Poodle, that's how I read it, especially given your vote in the permaban and the comment with it. Aichon 22:22, 6 August 2010 (BST)
Still, if he'd known it was protected, it would be misconduct, and that's the important thing.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:23, 6 August 2010 (BST)
Hey now, why do get the live grenade/hot potato thrown into my hands? I don't and didn't have the intention of bringing this to misconduct, merely stating that it could be brought. Personally speaking, nothing more then soft warning, and not worthy of true misconduct. Dealing with this through his talk page is best and that's what happened. @Aichon, trolling or not, it was unnecessary and therefore abuse whether intentional or not. Also, the edit in question should probably be reverted if it hasn't been already. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 22:28, 6 August 2010 (BST)
Edit conflicted.--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 22:28, 6 August 2010 (BST)
I figured that would be your opinion, I was just informing you that I had no intention of bringing it, and that if you did, you'd still have a case if you wanted to.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:30, 6 August 2010 (BST)
Oh, I agree that it was not right for him to post it, don't get me wrong, and I briefly considered A/Ming him over it as well, before deciding it wasn't worth it (it wasn't until later that I saw this stuff here). As you said, soft warning is all that's really necessary. And yeah, it should be to do that. Aichon 23:00, 6 August 2010 (BST)

Your Signature

It's broken. I'm busy with other stuff/too lazy to tell you what's wrong to fix it myself, so good luck. Aichon 02:38, 8 August 2010 (BST)

Argh. I'll go check now. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 02:39, 8 August 2010 (BST)
Fixed. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 02:40, 8 August 2010 (BST)


The Group Box on our group page now looks pretty messed up. You'll notice it immediately. Can you help me make it look a little more normal? - Poodle of Doom 17:59, 8 August 2010 (BST)

I've had a look and I can't see an easy fix for it. If you'd like I could manually code the box with alterations to make it fit better, as it seems the problem is due to the cells being equally spaced instead of skewed to one side as would be preferred. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 18:04, 8 August 2010 (BST)
Yeah,... I'm okay with that. To be honest, I tried to steal the code from the Groupbox Template, to manually edit it,... but couldn't make heads or tails of the sizing and spacing, or where it was even at in the code. I figured I'd just screw it up and make it worse, so instead of screwing around for 15 to 20 minutes, just to hit the same brick wall, I just cut my losses and asked for help. If you're up to giving me the code, I'd be happy to implement it, and if it works the way I like, I'll create a new group template for that spot. - Poodle of Doom 18:09, 8 August 2010 (BST)

Thanks for your help. I greatly appreciate it! - Poodle of Doom 19:19, 8 August 2010 (BST)

You should also be able to change the colours in that quite easily. That version uses the original colour words, though I prefer to use hex for colours. User:Misanthropy/MainKnight uses pretty much the same coding for that box in its character box, to show you how it might look with alternate colouring. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 19:21, 8 August 2010 (BST)
Yeah,... I've been playing with that a little bit. I'm trying to redesign my groups mainspace... people keep telling me its to bland, and lacks effort.... so I'm going to redesign all of it.... - Poodle of Doom 20:59, 8 August 2010 (BST)

I just have to ask... what do you think of our new layout? - Poodle of Doom 01:50, 9 August 2010 (BST)

Everything looks grand except for the blue on grey, it's quite hard to make out. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 01:52, 9 August 2010 (BST)
What color would you suggest? - Poodle of Doom 02:18, 9 August 2010 (BST)
Just a different shade. Either a darker blue, or a lighter grey. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 02:22, 9 August 2010 (BST)
I'll probably use a darker blue... just because I wanted the links blue, like the standard links,... so people would know they were links. - Poodle of Doom 02:29, 9 August 2010 (BST)
I meant lighten the background grey so there's more contrast and the blue stands out better. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 02:33, 9 August 2010 (BST)
I tell you what, I just darkened all the blue links,... check it out again, and let me know what you think about it. If you don't like it the way it is let me know, and I'll go the other way. - Poodle of Doom 02:39, 9 August 2010 (BST)
Yeah, that's easier to make out. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 02:51, 9 August 2010 (BST)
Cool. - Poodle of Doom 02:59, 9 August 2010 (BST)


Thought this might interest you. Aichon 20:48, 8 August 2010 (BST)

Already responded. Tongue :P When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 20:48, 8 August 2010 (BST)

Barry bonds

You might be interested that the new user that you welcomed, Barry bonds, has done nothing but vandalizing my entries to insult me. I'm sure he is BarryBonds756, a Pitneybank PKer whom I've been in conflict with. Looks like he couldn't find me in-game, so he pathetically attacked me on the Wiki instead.

I'll just revert back the vandalism and leave his case to your judgment. -- Kittithaj 04:17, 9 August 2010 (BST)

Bring it to A/VB, don't take it to a specific sysop as there's nothing we can do outside of the system except revert damage.
Got it posted. - Poodle of Doom 04:25, 9 August 2010 (BST)
I normally have no idea what to do in this case. I can't be bothered with all those Wiki bureaucracy. So thanks for sorting that out. -- Kittithaj 04:38, 9 August 2010 (BST)


Read my comments on the Akdov case. I think you'll find he was making an error whilst trying to change a mall's status.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 21:07, 9 August 2010 (BST)

I have no idea when you'd actually use it, but...

Banana Tactics
The information on this page or section discusses a banana strategy.

--Dawkins DAWKINS IS WATCHIN' [T][P!][W!][] is currently: having his arm torn off by a zombie. 11:36, 10 August 2010 (BST)

Streisand effect. Linkthewindow  Talk  11:45, 10 August 2010 (BST)
I heartily approve. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 15:58, 10 August 2010 (BST)


Instead of grabbing popcorn, why don't you try telling him his case has no grounds whatsoever and will likely fail, as pretty much any experienced wiki member can tell?--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 19:44, 10 August 2010 (BST)

Technically if the layout thing is correct he does have grounds, as this wiki does not use any form of creative commons license. But that's all he could get changed realistically, though if he pursues it he'll probably be able to force a change. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 19:52, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Bull. Half the groups on this wiki have copied templates of each other. You could force him to add a notice saying you made the layout, you can force him to remove text you wrote or images you made. Other than that, nothing.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 19:54, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Yes but find me another example of a user demanding that their intellectual property is enforced (bar Izzy's deletion requests). Other stealing has been done on the assumption that it's been allowed, this case clearly isn't. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 19:56, 10 August 2010 (BST)
And? It's a layout. It isn't intellectual property.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 19:56, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Actually it is. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 19:57, 10 August 2010 (BST)
No, because it isn't a creative medium. It's limited precisely by the designer of the hard and software available. Therefore there are a precise number of designs and circumstances. If it's anyone's intellectual property, it belongs to the designer, not to somebody who nipped over and fiddled with it.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 21:32, 10 August 2010 (BST)
By your logic, Lefranc Oils own the IP on Dali's work. It belongs to the designer of the visuals as to who owns it. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:34, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Umm, no? Not even slightly? Intellectual property doesn't refer to a format widely used on an internet wiki, and what's more:
The World Intellectual Property Organisation said:
Intellectual property (IP) refers to creations of the mind: inventions, literary and artistic works, and symbols, names, images, and designs used in commerce.
Notice the most important part? I'll try again.
The World Intellectual Property Organisation said:
in commerce
How exactly is he obtaining money from the usage of this page? Because of course, if he isn't, then it isn't being used in commerce, and so it isn't intellectual property infringement, even if a common wiki design could be considered to be IP.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 21:48, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Strange, then, how both (cf unregistered community design) and everything else I'm turning up explicitly state that design falls under the criteria, and mentions nothing about the sole use in commerce. As it stands, we either comb through every piece of UK law to find what applies here (and I'm leaning towards what I'm getting on, or we follow the disclaimer on every edit box on the wiki, which reads: "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource", something obviously not the case here. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:03, 10 August 2010 (BST)

WIPO. Also, the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, Britain's source of copyright law, says that "Names, titles, short phrases and colours are not generally considered unique or substantial enough to be covered". As it stands, the only similarities are that the page is black, has red text, a red border, and an image at the top. Wow, it must be stolen. And since that is the actual law, of this country, it's pretty definite. Or we go by international law as per my other link. The wiki text was not written by any legal professional, so that's a pathetically weak argument.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:08, 10 August 2010 (BST)

I again refer you to the English government's own site linked above, wherein "The overall appearance of the design" is protected, which if you look at both pages, is nigh-identical, down to sizing, positioning, scheme and thematic content. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:11, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Also, here's a list of everything covered under the act: +
  1. Literary - Song lyrics, manuscripts, manuals, computer programs, commercial documents, leaflets, newsletters and articles etc.
  2. Dramatic - Plays, dance, etc.
  3. Musical - Recordings and score.
  4. Artistic - Photography, painting, architecture, technical drawings/diagrams, maps, logos, etc.
  5. Typographical arrangement of published editions - Magazines, periodicals, etc.
  6. Sound recordings - May be recordings of works, e.g. musical and literary.
  7. Films - Broadcasts and cable programmes.

Doesn't actually cover page designs or formats. I assumed it was under artistic, but it isn't.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:14, 10 August 2010 (BST)

and I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but a statute kind of takes more importance than some sketchy government website. You know, it being the law and all, and that website being made by some dopey civil servant.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:14, 10 August 2010 (BST)
A 1988 statute can hardly be expected to cover a situation dealing with technology unconceivable at the time and can hardly be considered an exhaustive list. Position listed states:
"S1(2) of the Registered Designs Act 1949 defines a design as “the appearance of the whole or part of a product resulting from the features of, in particular, the lines, contours, colours, shape, texture or materials of the product or its ornamentation”.
The “product” you have designed can be anything such as an industrial or handicraft item (other than a computer program), and, in particular, can include things like packaging, get-up, graphic symbols, typographic typefaces, and parts of products intended to be assembled into a more complex product."
Which seems to me to cover what's going on here, applying the general limitations as opposed to a limited list of specifics compiled before this situation could ever have been conceived of by anyone. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:20, 10 August 2010 (BST)
well you yourself rendered that useless by starting your post with:
Misanthropy said:
A 1988 statute can hardly be expected to cover a situation dealing with technology unconceivable at the time

and then using a 1949 statute. The CDPA88 was ammended in 92 to include computer programs and only programs. Anything e;se is superfluous.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:23, 10 August 2010 (BST)

You didn't read what I said at all did you. My only point about the statute's age was the limitations that posed on its position as an exhaustive list, so I then provided a statute which gave a broader scope and didn't try to limit itself to quickly-dating exhaustive listing. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:27, 10 August 2010 (BST)
And then I told you that a mroe recent act, expanded to computers, specifically ruled out digital design, and only included computer programs.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:28, 10 August 2010 (BST)
I'm combing through this, and finding only reference to duration lasting differently for computer-generated work. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:35, 10 August 2010 (BST)
The amendment wouldn't be listed in the same act, it's a different one. I'll find it.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:39, 10 August 2010 (BST)
The Copyright (Computer Programs) Regulations 1992.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:39, 10 August 2010 (BST)
God damn Brits not updating your God damn lawbooks. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:40, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Yeah, the Law Commission ocne wrote out a whole list of all the laws, amendments and case rulings in history, and government refused to accept it as law. Tongue :P --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:42, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Grr! Argh! *shaking fist* When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:43, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Fail.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:44, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Shh. I'm coding things at the minute. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:45, 10 August 2010 (BST)

This is the most interesting thing I have ever read. If you're bored and want even more fun with this, look through all the umbrella images and see who originally uploaded them. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:44, 10 August 2010 (BST)

Yup. He also set up the redirects. I'd say it's likely he was the one who set up the wiki-ish stuff when Umbrella formed.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:48, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Umbrella=Drama. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:50, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Wrong. Original Founder. Also the images really don't matter much here, as they are all intellectually and legally bounded to Capcom.--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 23:01, 10 August 2010 (BST)
Well, it was just a guess. The real bitch is the redirects, because then he can just change them.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 23:02, 10 August 2010 (BST)
You honestly think that after 3 years he can claim redirects? While considering that redirects and disambiguates are not owned by any groups (or persons). By the way, did you know I actually created the BB3 page? --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 23:08, 10 August 2010 (BST)
I did know that. :P Also I was meaning if one of you had made the redirects, you would have had more of a say in just reverting them.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 23:12, 10 August 2010 (BST)
You're both wrong. Redirect rights have little to do with who made them. If I wanted to, right now I could have EVIL unprotected and made a disambig, regardless of the hundreds of links Doodle has thrown at it under the guise of his own group, and regardless of him making it, because regardless of all that effort, it's not his group and it's an abbreviation for a now multiple used term. Regarding Thad, he does have a right to some of them, if the likely search string is more directed at that group's name. Hence why I reverted his redirects that were closer to your Umbrella, and left the ones closer to his. -- 04:50, 11 August 2010 (BST)

*Adding my 2¢* From what I understand of American law (and no, I'm not suggesting it applies across the pond; I'm merely offering another take on the matter), usually designs can be patented and trademarked, not copyrighted, though artwork involved in a design, such as icons, backgrounds, textures, etc. can be copyrighted. Even when you're patenting a design, however, you usually just patent the layout. You can also apply trademark to it, however, as was seen when T-Mobile either issued a C&D or sued, I believe, Engadget a few years back because Engadget's mobile tech blog was using a color of pink that they thought was too similar to their own trademark shade of pink. That said, patents and trademarks must be filed in order to be enforceable, and with copyrights, while they are enforceable immediately upon the artwork's creation, unless they're registered with your local copyright office, the most you can do is issue a C&D. You can't even file for any damages until they're registered. Also, you both are idiots for arguing about it so much. Aichon 03:54, 11 August 2010 (BST)

"artwork involved in a design, such as icons, backgrounds, textures, etc." are the only things applicable in British law. Read links above.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 10:11, 11 August 2010 (BST)
Not true. As your own links say, there are plenty of other forms of intellectual property which are not covered under copyright yet still receive protections in other forms (e.g. patents and trademarks), and they give examples as well. Almost all of your discussion above revolved around copyrights and examples for them. I was saying that even though copyright may not apply to designs, patents or trademarks still might, and I haven't seen anything in your links that disagrees with that assertion. In fact, from what I can tell, UK law (as US law) is one of the few that currently upholds software patents, which would be a basis for this sort of thing. Again though, as I said, patents and trademarks wouldn't matter here anyway, since none were filed or registered. Copyright is the only one that provides an automatic protection on the work, and we all agree that it doesn't apply to the design, regardless of which country's law you're using. Aichon 10:31, 11 August 2010 (BST)
I may be mistaken, but I think the 92 act is the last relevant act for the three. If it doesn't say anything about it, it's probably allowed. Either way, it's a contentious issue which could probably be argued either way in court.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 10:37, 11 August 2010 (BST)
Plus, there's a big difference from what you and I might read out of the books, and what skilled lawyers have already read out of them, argued, and gotten put into practice in common law countries such as ours. I prefer going to sites such as Wikipedia for their synopsis of how some of these laws are actually being practiced today. Aichon 11:02, 11 August 2010 (BST)
Also, good point, because ultimately we shouldn't be using UK law, or US law or anything, we should be using wiki rules if it goes to A/A.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 10:17, 11 August 2010 (BST)
Yep, very true. Aichon 10:31, 11 August 2010 (BST)
You got there before I could say the exact same thing. Fuck this law shit, it hurts my head and I won't agree with anything it says until he comes to Kevan's front door with a summons. -- 11:26, 11 August 2010 (BST)
"he"? Who's he? --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 11:27, 11 August 2010 (BST)
And the worst thing is, nobody's made the "Brolly Corporation" yet.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 11:51, 11 August 2010 (BST)
Actually... And yes, I'm a Resident evil fanboy. Up until RE4, which I do not consider a true RE, and RE5 was even worse! Chris shooting some nigg(OH SNAP!)ers, racist bunch at capcom! And they killed Wesker, BOO HOO! --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 12:41, 11 August 2010 (BST)
As a person who likes proper games I thought re4 was epic, re5 a shitty version of re4 and everything else gay. But at least you actually love the series that you're taking from, i respect. -- 12:46, 11 August 2010 (BST)
Having played 1 through 4, I can safely say "fuck Resident Evil's stupid fucking control system in the ass". When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 14:05, 11 August 2010 (BST)


That it has to come to this, but you should know better. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 17:18, 11 August 2010 (BST)

As should you all. Lighten up, you'll live longer. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 17:19, 11 August 2010 (BST)

The weather is taking a turn for the worse, if you know what I mean -_- --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 18:01, 11 August 2010 (BST)

Misconduct Warning

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Please do not edit protected pages in a manner which is non-administrative or drama-creating manner as you did here. This is a warning and doing this again may result in harsher punishments. -- 02:35, 12 August 2010 (BST)


Dude, when I was dealing with this two days ago, I had the exact same thing. You'd be amazed how fucked up the word umbrella seems when you've been looking at it for an hour, fuck. -- 05:37, 12 August 2010 (BST)
Dude I got like that after about ten fucking minutes. I blame Capcom. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 05:39, 12 August 2010 (BST)


Thanks. Feel free to use it how you wish.--Vapor 01:52, 16 August 2010 (BST)

I made you an edit fix

But I eated it... Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 18:03, 16 August 2010 (BST)

Sigh. You can has cheeseburger then. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 18:05, 16 August 2010 (BST)

Your man Ed

Got a letter from him yesterday. Good stuff. Focused on policy and called for stop and search pwoers to be reduced. He nearly got in to second place on my voting list (which would essentially be a vote for him because of AV), but his policy on women in the shadow cabinet put me off. You'll just have to convince me further. :P --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:20, 17 August 2010 (BST)

Some people call him a space cowboy. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:23, 17 August 2010 (BST)
Space cowboy?! Well, in that case...--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:23, 17 August 2010 (BST)
Some people call him the gangster of love. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:24, 17 August 2010 (BST)
Second? Surely I meant first.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:25, 17 August 2010 (BST)
Some people call him Maurice. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:26, 17 August 2010 (BST)
Hell yeah! Time to make him 0th place! Actually, no. Burnham plays crazy golf. He gets my top vote.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:26, 17 August 2010 (BST)


Just maintaining my +1. Don't mind me. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 00:44, 21 August 2010 (BST)

Saw this coming. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 00:46, 21 August 2010 (BST)
Oh yea, your ad expires tomorrow, but I might leave it up since nobody made a request in the past week... =/ --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 00:48, 21 August 2010 (BST)

A New Event

I could particularly use you help on organizing this new event I'm hosting. Discuss it on that page's talk page. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 16:20, 21 August 2010 (BST)

Wiki Help For An Old Protege

Hey Misanthropy, just stopping by to see if you could help. Recently I stole a code for my user page. The code ended up leaving a huge, and I mean HUGE, open area. I was wondering if you could help me set it up so I can fill it in with what I want? Thanks in advance.--Patrick MacManus talk 21:54, 22 August 2010 (BST)

The area underneath your image? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:56, 22 August 2010 (BST)
That would be the HUGE open area--Patrick MacManus talk 21:23, 23 August 2010 (BST)
Looking into it now. Should just be a case of creating a table shunted into that position that you can fill. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:36, 23 August 2010 (BST)
Edited your page with a suggested fix. Revert it if you don't wanna go that way. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:45, 23 August 2010 (BST)
Found out how to set it up the way I liked it thanks Misanthropy.--Patrick MacManus talk 22:36, 23 August 2010 (BST)

? about cornhole and combat18

i just got annoyed that he nuked the talk page. i went ahead and made an archive? is this vandalism on my part? not that i really care. i just don't want to make any more trouble or work for you guys (sysops). thanks man.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 20:14, 23 August 2010 (BST)

What Mis fixed was that you used interlinks incorrectly. Not [ archive] - use [[Talk:Combat_18/archive1|archive]] -- Spiderzed 20:18, 23 August 2010 (BST)
Yeah I just neatened your link. I like that you revived all the stuff that was nuked. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 20:21, 23 August 2010 (BST)
Also, it's good faith and hence, not vandalism. --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 20:22, 23 August 2010 (BST)
sorry bout that guys, as you know most of my edits are for voting and calling thad a homo.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 20:27, 23 August

2010 (BST)

so why did did i get a wrist slap. i thought my edit was in good feth? ;) ----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 14:11, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Its not recorded as vandal data is it?--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 14:13, 24 August 2010 (BST)
No, and you didn't get a wrist slapping even. mine was only a vote for soft warning, it's nullified unless ops vote in favour of it. The ops hate cornhol so much I doubt they'd agree with me. -- 14:18, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Just in case you were wondering

I like Gnome's game more. Aichon 01:41, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Me too. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 01:48, 24 August 2010 (BST)


Hey dude, where is the page that has the big list of usable emoticons again? My memory has died :( -- 12:23, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Hmm Whistle2.gif--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 13:03, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Thanks a bunch Thad! -- 13:23, 24 August 2010 (BST)
I was actually looking for this but the link to the categories got me there within 2 mouse clicks, so still thanks Thad! -- 13:24, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Rogues Gallery Wiki Page

Since the Rogues Gallery forum is no longer on Brainstock, I'd like to change the name of the page to Rogues Gallery (PKer list) or something more clear. Is it possible to do so or must I copy/paste the old page into a new page? --Lois talk 10MFH 13:45, 24 August 2010 (BST)

That's easily done. I'll move it for you in a tick. In the future, A/MR is the place to go. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:15, 24 August 2010 (BST)
AS you'll see when you get to MR, It was moved earlier to just be at Rogues Gallery. :P --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 21:16, 24 August 2010 (BST)
My work here is done. You're welcome. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:16, 24 August 2010 (BST)
You're slow to the party, and as such, you're tardy. As the answer's been given on Lois's talk. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 21:19, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Blame Toy Story. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:22, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Toy Story; anagram of Tory's Toy. Anagram; anagram of Granmaa.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 21:24, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Tory, noun. Derived from Irish toraí (tohr-ee), lit. bandit, thief. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:29, 24 August 2010 (BST)
Tory, verb. See: Rape. E.g. "They toried the public services."--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 21:34, 24 August 2010 (BST)

They need a sysop to find the next clue.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 23:53, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Misanthropy, you're doing it again!

I'm deleting this because of it's status as a fuck-up. For anybody else, the page originally contained a welcome template, and was blanked by Mis.Tongue :P--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 17:30, 26 August 2010 (BST)

I just high-fived Ed Miliband. I hope you're happy.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 20:11, 26 August 2010 (BST)

Did he really like your peaches, wanna shake your tree? When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 21:36, 26 August 2010 (BST)

Dead Hand

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The following page(s) were orphaned, meaning they weren't linked from any other page on UDWiki. For house-keeping's sake, we are adding the link onto the relevant talk page. If you don't want the pages anymore just post them on the Deletions Page. You aren't required to do anything, but we'd appreciate if it you kept the link on any one of your pages.

Please note that the link provided below will not remove the page from Orphaned Pages, so you'll still need to manually make a link for us. Thank you.

Your page, Dead Hand, was not linked to on the wiki. This message is just to provide a link for it and clear it from our orphanage. --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 12:23, 27 August 2010 (BST)

Just in case you were wondering

I like Gnome's game more. Aichon 01:41, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Me too. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 01:48, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Thought you'd like to know

It looks like your sig might be one of the ones causing issues for A/VB (the current month's archive isn't showing up on it since it has too much inclusion data), since it's a decent amount larger than the norm. This isn't a warning to fix it or anything of the sort, merely a friendly notification, since I figured you'd want to be aware of something like this. What you do with this info is your call. My best guess is that it's the images causing the issues, since the other big culprit was DDR's sig with the arrow images in it. Aichon 06:44, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Is it just the overall size of the sig? I can cut it down by 25% today since the Malties don't need the advertising I guess. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 13:26, 30 August 2010 (BST)
By the looks of the people whos sigs affect it most, it's the image usage. -- LEMON #1 15:07, 30 August 2010 (BST)
Removed one of the images. Should cut the load from my sig by 1/4 when the queue ticks down. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 17:46, 30 August 2010 (BST)
Looks like between yours and DDR's, it did the trick. Not sure why it became an issue, suddenly, but go figure. Aichon 03:39, 31 August 2010 (BST)

You can use Template:ClickInternal for the images now. Good news is that it works (thank Aichon), bad news is that it's weighty so using it several times like now will probably still be a bit much. Also you have to use it because I said so. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 07:18, 1 September 2010 (BST)

Rooster figured out the hard stuff that took trial and error. I just copy/pasted some code from somewhere else and tweaked it a bit. But yeah, the new code works in IE7, whereas the old code causes each image to get its own line in IE7, which is bad juju. And it's new! And spiffy! Did I mention it was new? Aichon 07:32, 1 September 2010 (BST)

Murder Awards

What happens if there's a tie in nominations, like for "best zombie group" ? There appears no clear third place. Do they all get considered as joint third? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:44, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Yeah, the 'top three' really means 'top three positions', so ties are considered in the nominees. I'm listing it all now. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 16:16, 31 August 2010 (BST)

While I'm here

Have you seen this yet? Check the code for it. I've designed it from the ground up to be modifiable by anyone without needing any extra templates or anything (and the template that generates it all is actually remarkably light). Basically, anyone can create as many styles as they want, name them whatever they want, and then can apply them to whichever suburbs they want. They can also stylize the entire table however they want (though it has some preset defaults), and they can nest it into tables or divs however they want so that it fits on the page better. Basically, it could probably be used as a replacement for pretty much every minimap of the city that has ever existed or ever will on the wiki. With your wikimapping interest, I figured I'd point it out. Aichon 07:37, 1 September 2010 (BST)

Now that's nice. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 13:37, 1 September 2010 (BST)
At the risk of appearing to be a RC stalker, I was wondering if that template was available for use? If it isn't going to change I'd like to use it for an event I've been planning.Moving to Aicon's talk page.~Vsig.png 14:38, 1 September 2010 (BST)

is there a way to hide page for a little while?

i'm cooking up something. maybe tuck it in my sandbox and hope no one notices? (yes it involves pking)----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 16:45, 8 September 2010 (BST)

If you really want to keep something hidden, I'd recommend typing it as a word document and just previewing it on the wiki, without hitting "save". ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 17:10, 8 September 2010 (BST)
^ This --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:27, 8 September 2010 (BST)
yeah thats what i figured. I'll just use a text editor than. plus I wanna run some stuff by people via IRC.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 18:01, 8 September 2010 (BST)
If you want to keep the stuff hidden and still share it online, Google-Docs along with invitations might be a solution. Of course, it can't preview wiki code straight, but is probably the most handy solution short of running and password-protecting your own wiki in a different corner of the net. -- Spiderzed 18:23, 8 September 2010 (BST)
Yep, text file is the way. I did the malties that way (though I kept a sandbox with no actual malties text to make sure I got the images aligned, etc). You can preview pages without ever saving or creating them, so you've no hassle looking at how it turns out. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:28, 8 September 2010 (BST)


Maybe instead of adding templates, you should discuss it. :P The way I see it, there are 3 main options; keeping it the same (which nobody wants to do), outlawing WNing, or reaching a mid-point such as Link's example and substing it on to talks. What are your thoughts?--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 18:41, 12 September 2010 (BST)


Just here because when you archive, my siggy won't be here. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 20:02, 12 September 2010 (BST)

MMA broadcast?

Did I miss it? Also, I PRESSED THE + FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF --Amber Waves of Pain 12:30, 13 September 2010 (BST)

You didn't miss it, we were unable to make it due to the area being pretty buttfucked. :( When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 15:18, 13 September 2010 (BST)
Barhah? >.> --Amber Waves of Pain 15:32, 13 September 2010 (BST)
^^^^ Best comment I have seen all day. Definitely made me laugh after the morning I've been having. Aichon 18:13, 13 September 2010 (BST)
Dude I know it's kind of late now but the area is less buttfucked now if you still wanna broadcast.~Vsig.png 04:44, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Well, I already told Mis that if I won it, I'd be giving the best zombie award to my horde (that is, BB3 as I'd sooner disassociate MOB from a PKer award ceremony,) but I really just wanted to know if there was a way of announcing this. I'm kind of stumped as to where or indeed whether it would be appropriate on the page. I've just announced it in #BB3 and given the zombies there permission to use the template, incidentally. I may not be able to make it to a ceremony, so Mis, if you're planning on doing one, do ya think you could you make a note about the donation during the broadcast? That would be ahzam, ta. --Amber Waves of Pain 10:23, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Currently dead in Dartside after testing Bellow some more. I'll try to make it up. Amber, you can also edit the front page of the awards page to show that you've given it to BB3, the page is just another public one. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 14:54, 15 September 2010 (BST)
If you don't get revived before making it to Lukinswood just stand at the cemetery 22,46 and put a revive request on CORAM's talk page and we'll get you. The queue was emptied a few days ago so should be no wait right now.--~Vsig.png 19:19, 16 September 2010 (BST)


I would totally do that but I'm afraid I'm at -8AP due to that last bellowing. If you can hold off 4 more hours I'll do it, though. ~Vsig.png 00:02, 15 September 2010 (BST)

Sure thing. Hit me up here or on IRC and I'll get it done. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 00:03, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Alright, will do. Is there a specific channel you use? ~Vsig.png 00:10, 15 September 2010 (BST)
I'm in both the wiki ones, but you can just use /query Misanthropy to message me directly. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 00:12, 15 September 2010 (BST)

Organization XIII

I just realized I never asked if you were interested. But if you are, would you like to suggest some stuff for the forum? I know it could use some work, but I'm now drained of ideas... =/ --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 02:11, 15 September 2010 (BST)

I might sign up in the morning, but I disagree with the principal of the thing. I'm all for bringing the balancing in favour of the dead, rather than keeping it on an even keel, you see. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 02:13, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Well, I'm still on a steady debate in my mind what the proper population balance would be. I have 50/50, 45/55, and 40/60 in mind so far... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 02:20, 15 September 2010 (BST)
99/1. For realism. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:20, 15 September 2010 (BST)
That might be great for realism, but we all know unless Malton gets rid of the NecroTechs, that's not happening. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 22:39, 15 September 2010 (BST)
It's totally possible. Just needs careful planning. Look at the big zombie hordes. If they thinned a bit they'd cover more ground without much overall loss in anything but speed. If the balance of actual players and not just mrh-cow padding was to change, it'd be easily concievable. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 22:51, 15 September 2010 (BST)
It's the speed that makes them so deadly, since they can wipe out infrastructure before repairs can take place. Spread them out and they move slowly enough that repairs happen right after they leave. It is possible, though, I think, to get, say, 70-30 with the current hordes fairly easily, if they just coordinated their efforts and moved in specific patterns. There are certain strategies that apply to horde movement which have significant impact on survivor populations (e.g. go in a spiral towards the middle to cause maximum damage, devastate everything around a survivor stronghold to retard reinforcement efforts, double back over recent repairs to ruin reinforcements and break morale). BB3 actually recently did that first one, which is a large part of why the entire Northwest got ruined recently. MOB did the same thing around Christmas time last year, which resulted in the SE getting wrecked, and both RRF and MOB had devastated the Pitneybank area right before that (i.e. point #2), which utterly gutted the survivor's strongest point in the eastern half of the city, leading to revive queues that were lasting for weeks. If they coordinated a bit to cut off lines of reinforcement and moved quickly, RRF, MOB, and BB3 could eat the city alive, but they'd never do it, and it's for the best of the game that they don't. Aichon 06:08, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Oh I'm not saying thinning the crowd out too much, obviously. But the three major hordes (four if you want to count BB3 but it'll not be around forever), if working in unison, could easily tackle 4-5 suburbs at a time, rather than 3, which gives a 33% raise in the actual area being attacked at a given time. It's also a case of logistics if the smaller hordes were to get on board, having the smaller hordes attacking areas with a lower block:building ratio, or building:TRP ratio, and especially targetting the SW-2 district with a concerted, but small, rotter contingent (one NT for the district can easily be pinataed, then camped in by more angry rotters than can be readily dealt with by a relief force that's being worn down through revive deprivation). Active co-operation between the hordes and the larger PKer groups could easily lead to a quicker demise, as the ability to scout inside, and clear TRPs quickly from the inside (especially the ever-contested forts and malls) only accelerates things. Of course, this is a game of ego more than anything else, and that level of co-operation is beyond reaching, so it's pretty much going to boil down to whichever side has the more tenacious players - give it two to three years, and I'd say the zombies, with players who average out to be much more thick-skinned about the whole thing, will be much more dominant. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 06:19, 16 September 2010 (BST)


GoldInBasketCropped.jpg Gold in the Basket
This user resolved the situation by putting the gold in the basket.
--•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 22:13, 15 September 2010 (BST)

Connor Park

Thank you for your contributions to the Connor Park article and improving it. -- SDN 07:18, 22 September 2010 (BST)


It's Edddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd!!! :D --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:56, 25 September 2010 (BST)

He gets his lovin' on the run. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 19:43, 25 September 2010 (BST)

October Bash Update

This message is to let you know that the Red October event has changed locations. Please visit Red October Talk page to get details on the new location.


This could be relevant for you. -- Spiderzed 23:22, 29 September 2010 (BST)


In the interest of cleaning up, I'm asking you to either delete Umbrella (Group) or move it out of the mainspace. Please consider doing this. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 11:52, 30 September 2010 (BST)


Goddammit man, will you pul-eeeeease get to posting your bloody teamsheet for teh Ragey Cagey rumble? You're holding up the fun bus. ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 23:25, 30 September 2010 (BST)
I am? Hang on til I grab profiles. When I fall, I'll weep for happiness 23:26, 30 September 2010 (BST)
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