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Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others


That is all. Aichon 00:38, 1 October 2010 (BST)

Hi you. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 00:40, 1 October 2010 (BST)
I miss you. Aichon 00:48, 1 October 2010 (BST)
Hugs? Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 00:49, 1 October 2010 (BST)
HAGZ! Aichon 00:51, 1 October 2010 (BST)
Get a room, you two! --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:03, 1 October 2010 (BST)
But this is my room. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 01:11, 1 October 2010 (BST)
I think Axe just needs a hug too. Group hug? Aichon 01:30, 1 October 2010 (BST)
Only if you give it to my blood thirsty Mudkip as well. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 01:31, 1 October 2010 (BST)
eh gross wiki butt secks----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 04:05, 1 October 2010 (BST)

I came up with an Idea, but need your input

I thought it would be cool if we had a wiki User of the Month Competition. Now, this would probably have to be run by Sysops, so, I'm Asking for your input here. And dont worry, I've asked the other Sysops too.

Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 14:55, 2 October 2010 (BST)


Still don't have any idea on a team. Will you enlighten us?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:15, 2 October 2010 (BST)

Oh, right. Just found your message on the talk.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:23, 2 October 2010 (BST)

Soft Warning

I know Sexualharrison was joking about us having "butt secks" the other day, but that doesn't mean it's okay to draw pictures of it and post them on the wiki. Consider this an official soft warning not to do it again. Aichon 07:28, 6 October 2010 (BST)

what really? i wanna see that pic now for some reason.----sexualharrisonStarofdavid2.png ¯\(Boobs.gif)/¯ 20:13, 7 October 2010 (BST)
It was an MS Paint drawing of a dick and a butt. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 20:42, 7 October 2010 (BST)
IN. Not and --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:58, 7 October 2010 (BST)
Well yes but it was both of them. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 21:02, 7 October 2010 (BST)
Point taken. Although not literally. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:06, 7 October 2010 (BST)
It is all your fault though. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 21:08, 7 October 2010 (BST)


I should probably know this by now. And I can probably easily find out. But what does Subst: in front of a template name do? -- Rahrah is pumped that he's going to lose another Manhunt. 18:58, 7 October 2010 (BST)

It copies the code of a template directly on to page instead of making a template call. For instance, {{Eaten}} would given the actual template, but {{Subst:Eaten}} will add the folowing directly to the page:
{| style="border:solid #000000 2px;" width=400 align=center |- | rowspan=3 |[[Image:Pacman.jpg|55px]] || style="background:#000000; color:#ffffff;" width=800 align="center" | <font face="Eurostile"><font size=4>'''EATEN'''</font></font> |}
Essentially this cuts down on template calls and allows future editing to what the template gives. The point of doing it on the welcome newbie drops is to reduce the apparent 'cut and paste' look of things, as a study Jorm gave us showed that templates scare people. As an aside, fuck hotels and their stupid fucking booking forms. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 19:39, 7 October 2010 (BST)
The idea of that study was to reinforce the common sense idea that a big ass slab of ready made text is rather off-putting, as opposed to a personal welcome from a human being. If you think his point was that wiki templates are scary, and subst 'fixes' that, then you've gotten the wrong idea entirely. It's about whether you feel like you're being treated like a worthless piece of meat or not. A pre-made giant wall of text-y table-y doom is crap whether you subst it or not (and probably worse when you subst it, since now they have fucking pages of table code in their edit windows) -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 20:45, 7 October 2010 (BST)
No table code, just plain text. The plain text approach is in response to that study, the substing just makes it easier for me to add to it when the need arises, if I'm adding specific help based on what I've seen them doing. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 20:57, 7 October 2010 (BST)
For plain text (like your style) it makes sense and I'm not against that. But your post implied you meant the disaster that is the WN template, hence the rage. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 22:15, 7 October 2010 (BST)
Oh, Christ no. The worst thing you could do is just dump a bunch of table code onto someone's talk page (especially when the code packet includes a line directly referring to its existence as just a template call that can easily be deleted). Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 22:18, 7 October 2010 (BST)

My topic there

Permission to play with your navbar? I think I can sinibomb the ol' 'star into place. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 23:25, 7 October 2010 (BST)

I figured I could do it myself if I really wanted to, but I'm far too lazy. But it you want to do my work for me, feel free. Try to make it take up the whole box, and remove the pixel specifications on my main/talk page (the |110 and |85). Thanks in advance. As your reward, you will receive a 1/60 chance at a cookie. --VVV RPGMBCWS 23:46, 7 October 2010 (BST)
Make it 2/119. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 23:54, 7 October 2010 (BST)
I cannot. I can offer you fillet of soul or a giant blender swimming pool in the place of the cookie, if you'd prefer. --VVV RPGMBCWS 00:01, 8 October 2010 (BST)
Fillet of soul. I hunger. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 00:02, 8 October 2010 (BST)
BEWARE, IT'S FIXED Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 00:10, 8 October 2010 (BST)
It also caused the second row to become overly tall and the image to be smaller than the box containing it. Unless these issues are resolved, I'll be forced to give you a mere 1/120 chance for fillet of soul, as I'll be forced to revert it to it's previous state. --VVV RPGMBCWS 00:20, 8 October 2010 (BST)
I noticed the sizing issues. However the image does stay stationary instead of roving around the page when anything occupies space above the bar. I tinkered a bit to minimise the difference but I'm not sure it can be perfectly aligned with any ease. :( Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 00:35, 8 October 2010 (BST)
Then you shall receive the 1/120 chance. Which three of these books do I own?
The Communist Manifesto
Mein Kampf
The Prince
Reflections on the Revolution in France
Satanic Verses
You have one guess. --VVV RPGMBCWS 01:05, 8 October 2010 (BST)
Machiavelli, Rushdie and ... Hobbes? Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 01:19, 8 October 2010 (BST)
. You're smart to know that Reflections on the Revolution in France is ridiculously hard to find in stores, but I lack the attention span for novels. --VVV RPGMBCWS 00:00, 9 October 2010 (BST)

I think I know you

Haven't been around in AGES, but I think I recognize you from the old times. Commented on a couple of my old suggestions, maybe?

Also... What happens if I click add action=edit and section=new to the url? Hmmm. How devilish do I feel right now?

Meh, not much. ~m T! 03:18, 8 October 2010 (BST)

I'll slap you in the chops, mister, is what happens. Pow. Right in the kisser. Beuford T Justice aside, I'll have a dredge through DS now, unless you mean you've stuff in the main system, in which case I'll get to +1ing. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 03:24, 8 October 2010 (BST)
Um, I'll just pretend I undertood that last sentence and nod politely, okay? *Nods politely* ~m T! 01:55, 9 October 2010 (BST)

Malton Beauty Pageant

Hey Misanthropy, I remember a couple of months ago you said that you had your lecherous eyes on the Malton Beauty pageant. Well, things are starting to get organized so I was wondering if you would have an interest in being the PK judge. here's the link to the page [[1]] --Mindlessidiots 17:43, 9 October 2010 (BST)


might also be helpful. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:08, 10 October 2010 (BST)

Possibry. Say, young man, you don't happen to know the exact messages given when gesturing at contact-listed bodies, do you? Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 21:10, 10 October 2010 (BST)
No. But give me a day. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:13, 10 October 2010 (BST) --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:14, 10 October 2010 (BST)
You're a saint. It's the only thing I didn't think to check. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 21:15, 10 October 2010 (BST)
Luck Really. Plus having spare IP hits. (Thanks to manhunt revive points). Shout if you need any more. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:16, 10 October 2010 (BST)
I have the message formula figured now. Just it's escaping me whether transmitters are gesture targets or not (I only ever gesture with Haircuts and there's never a generator left long enough to install a transmitter). Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 21:20, 10 October 2010 (BST)
Hmm. That may take a while. Leave it with me. Gut instinct says no. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:24, 10 October 2010 (BST)
I've left it open-ended enough for now, as just "fixtures", but with generators as the example. On to ransack, then bellow, it seems. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 21:27, 10 October 2010 (BST)
That abortion of a page is embarrassing to me. One of these days I'll have to fix it and finish it up with an actual style that can be applied across the board to the other pages. Aichon 22:10, 10 October 2010 (BST)
Feel free, I'm not doing any special layout as I'm doing these so if you fix up a style that works you should be able to apply them uniformly with ease. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 22:15, 10 October 2010 (BST)

Red October Confrimation

Please confirm your intent to participate in the Red October manhunt event as a Red Army team member by clicking here and leaving a note. The event begins at 12:01am GMT on October 25th. --~Vsig.png 17:00, 11 October 2010 (BST)

survivor judge selected

For the Survivor judge, I picked Miss Elainous. Just thought you like to know, are okay with this choice? --Mindlessidiots 02:57, 12 October 2010 (BST)

Seems fine by me. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 03:01, 12 October 2010 (BST)
Cool, I sent you a PM on brainstock but it's probably a little outdated by now. --Mindlessidiots 00:03, 13 October 2010 (BST)
I'll have a read in a second. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 00:06, 13 October 2010 (BST)


I just noticed my page didn't link here... >_< --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 19:25, 12 October 2010 (BST)

Cookie.jpg A FREE COOKIE
Axe Hack has given Misanthropy a cookie for having rigged dice.
--•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 20:40, 12 October 2010 (BST)


I hate unused redirects. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:51, 13 October 2010 (BST)

I'm in the process of using it... Grr! Argh! *shaking fist* Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 20:54, 13 October 2010 (BST)
That's what Yon's mum said. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:59, 13 October 2010 (BST)
She did. She told me so. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 21:11, 13 October 2010 (BST)
Why are you mean to me... :( --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:24, 13 October 2010 (BST)
This is what happens when you put stuff in the news template early. Grr! Argh! *shaking fist* --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:25, 13 October 2010 (BST)
Yep. Every time you finish things too quickly, so does Ross. Which is why your mum has to use things herself. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 21:26, 13 October 2010 (BST)
No, that was future me, who went forward to tomorrow when Thad's accepted the bid and learnt to assign an email address to his wiki account.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:26, 13 October 2010 (BST)
Hey, I'm a true gentleman, I always let others finish first. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:37, 13 October 2010 (BST)

Dead Hand recruitment image

At 142KB, it's too large for Recruitment. Mind shrinking it a bit? Since I know you're on right now and can correct it, I'll leave the ad up for the moment. Aichon 04:19, 15 October 2010 (BST)

Ah cockballs. Yeah I'll try a jpg version instead. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 04:24, 15 October 2010 (BST)
Also, a heads up that on a mac it looks like this: Image:Screen shot 2010-10-16 at 23.55.50.png and Image:Screen shot 2010-10-16 at 23.56.38.png, on firefox and safari, respectively. -- LEMON #1 14:01, 16 October 2010 (BST)
I had figured that was the desired appearance. >_> Aichon 17:09, 16 October 2010 (BST)
This looks amazing. I'll send over a level one consumer. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:13, 16 October 2010 (BST)
This is perfect. I've only recently started a consumer (which was suppose to be a joke) who began with a knife in a PD not 4 suburbs away from East Becktown. xD --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 17:22, 16 October 2010 (BST)
Oooh, a resident evil image :). --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 17:54, 16 October 2010 (BST)
Yey recruits. And no, not remotely meant to look like that - meant to look like this. ark Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 20:02, 16 October 2010 (BST)
Oh WOW. It'd obviously be because I don't have the font. That's why with mine I made the font part of the image :( Either ways, it doesn't make extra lines on my windows machine, but the font still doesn't appear. Also, I'm coming to help. -- LEMON #1 00:57, 17 October 2010 (BST)
Now that I think about it I should probably use images and the click code. I'll do that when TXF: Fight the Future is over. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 01:02, 17 October 2010 (BST)
Also anyone coming to help - Uncooked Meat is me, if anyone else is giving profiles I can get a memberlist page made. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 18:29, 17 October 2010 (BST)


Fucking. Irish. Bastard. That is all. --Amber Waves of Pain 13:52, 16 October 2010 (BST)

What I do? Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 20:02, 16 October 2010 (BST)
Nothin. Just trying to make you feel useful. Also, I did it rite? --Amber Waves of Pain 12:55, 17 October 2010 (BST)


The reason for the new account is I might forget my user name if I use Thaedracy since on the majority of sites now a days I use Radio as my username. --Radio 01:32, 17 October 2010 (BST)


I have a screenshot showing you meatpuppeting in voters from the RR forums for the crat elections. Time to quit, methinks?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:48, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Come the fuck on. Not a single vote came from my post to Red Rum - and I hope to Christ you're giving DDR the same tone or I'll be very disappointed in the kind of tunnel vision it'd require to only tell one of us off. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 21:51, 17 October 2010 (BST)
I am, I'm trying to work out where the fuck DDR's are coming from though. Just struck a proxy one (suggests socks) but the others are arbitrary IPs. I think it might be someone BBKish, but I have no idea who.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:52, 17 October 2010 (BST)
Tell him to quit too then. RHO for cat. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 21:53, 17 October 2010 (BST)
I don't think it's actually DDR. My initial thought was Jed, but he usually supports you, and the BBK forum's been dead for a year. Seriously, whoever is doing this (and probably reading this sentence) please stop so I can sort this out.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:54, 17 October 2010 (BST)
Or let it slide, given that there's like 10 minutes left and your man's winning. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 21:56, 17 October 2010 (BST)
Instead of complaining, can you help?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:59, 17 October 2010 (BST)
It's hardly sporting for me to try to detract from the voting for someone who's opposing me. After the fact we can maybe work something out (votes only with w/ >50 edits, etc), but I'm not going to pull the rug out from someone and then go change things. Also none of the people voting for him are ones who would frequent any forums I'd use so I'd not even know where to start if I wanted to. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 22:02, 17 October 2010 (BST)
I meant try to work out who it is. I did a quickie scan sort of thing and SA is a possibility, I reckon.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:04, 17 October 2010 (BST)
I have absolutely NO idea who did it. SA would only do it to take the piss I think, cause he actually hates me and how uptight I was when he came back.... It couldn't be Jed or the BBK because (even if i wouldn't need the forum cause I could just collaborate with them via phone or something) literally none of them like UD anymore, they would just laugh if I mentioned it. Nick and Jed always vote against me anyway. It started once you pulled out Yon, so maybe someone who had to change their vote did the deed? No idea. -- LEMON #1 22:32, 17 October 2010 (BST)
Wasn't Giles the only vote for Yon at the time though? Could be wrong. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 22:36, 17 October 2010 (BST)
It was Michaleson who voted for me. However, I'm strongly inclined to say that the same person was meat/sockpuppeting both sides to try to piss us off.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:37, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Wait until the election ends, and we'll sweep through then and mercilessly destroy any we deem unfair.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:14, 17 October 2010 (BST)

That'll become a shitfight and a half. If it remains a tie just go by the rules and let the crats decide -- LEMON #1 22:17, 17 October 2010 (BST)
I think that would probably be best considering the level of puppetry that's been going on for both candidates.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:22, 17 October 2010 (BST)

My Talk

You can use your sig. Aichon fixed my talk. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:20, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Oh, right. I was actually just about to see if I could rig a switch to detect the name of a page and change the sig accordingly, then strip down to a smaller version so it wasn't so unwieldy with all that in it. You may have saved me a few hours and a lot of hair. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 22:22, 17 October 2010 (BST)
Thank Aichon. It was a ridiculously simple addition to the box. btw, apologies for blaming you for the crat puppetry, as it now seems some irritating third party was doing it all. --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:24, 17 October 2010 (BST)
'Sok. Don't change the outcome of this one based on future policy, though, but if you're going to do something about future votes, do it quick so it doesn't overlap anything (since I don't think there's anything on the horizon yet). Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 22:26, 17 October 2010 (BST)
Frankly, I think we handled this vote well. We can probably make it by without any dramatic new policy.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:27, 17 October 2010 (BST)
If SOMEONE would update the wiki like we asked then we could do it very simply with an Autoconfirmed group. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 22:29, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Ok, thanks for the tip :) -Alexander Ignus 12:31, 22 October 2010 (BST)


Forum. Schenanigans will commence shortly.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:00, 17 October 2010 (BST)

I may unidle Tubbasaurus Sex, gimme a few days to see what alts I plan on keeping on using and which I'll probably retire. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 23:07, 17 October 2010 (BST)
Coolio.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:07, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Dead Hand/Nav

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Speaking of which, I just hit up Barbara and got the cades down and groaned a bit. hopefully it'll help with stuff -- LEMON #1 08:52, 19 October 2010 (BST)
Up to VSB. I got CRed last night, managed to stand up, parachute inside and gank the generator (not bad for a lvl 1!), but it's quite painful to parachute without ankle grab. :( Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 15:44, 19 October 2010 (BST)
Lol, getting in daily to make groans. Seriously, getting cades from EHB to nothing by myself on a daily basis, I forgot how easy it is to be a zombie, why are you zombie cunts complaining so much? gosh -- LEMON #1 10:16, 22 October 2010 (BST)
If you're on, doors are open and gennie is one hit away from heaven -- LEMON #1 10:18, 22 October 2010 (BST)

I'm gesturing at a radio! --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:38, 19 October 2010 (BST)

I fucking knew it. Same structure as the message for generators? Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 19:19, 19 October 2010 (BST)
"You gesture at the radio."--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:09, 19 October 2010 (BST)
Figured. I should probably get back to writing these. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 20:10, 19 October 2010 (BST)


I'm in the redrum channel --~Vsig.png 22:56, 19 October 2010 (BST)

A/PD: Suburb Historical Groups

  1. What do you think are the biggest problems with the current system?
  2. What criteria do you feel should be used to decide historical status? Time spent in a suburb? Group numbers? Activity generally located within a suburb? Involvement in significant suburb events? What are typical examples of notable groups that have made an impact on the suburb level? Providing these as examples would give the community something to base their vote on.
  3. Several groups are historical/notable on more than one suburb. Is that bad? Should groups be limited to one suburb? Should this be more of a "origin" thing or a suburb that a given group has had the most impact on? Is the central problem groups adding themselves to suburbs in which they had minimal impact (or impact only during a brief duration?) Should groups have to pick just one suburb?
  4. How will this policy handle nomadic zombie hordes / PKers / survivor groups? Are they SOL or do they pick a suburb or what?
  5. What do you do with a group like MFD / MPD?

I think these are some things that should be considered if you are really looking to reform the system. They are also things that may or may not have easy answers (at least I don't have easy answers for, or I would have tried to answer some of my questions). Right now, the policy basically just defines a voting cut-off for passing, and there is little guidance as to what exactly the community should look for when deciding suburb notoriety. Giving a sense of what some of the answers should be for some of these questions would go a long way to tightening up the policy (IMO). -MHSstaff 23:29, 21 October 2010 (BST)

  1. The fact it is has zero process and is currently a liability that could easily lead to rows and ill-will. Creating simple and relatively hassle-free (compared to Cat:HG, etc) due process gives a structure to the way things happen that removes this entirely.
  2. For a suburb, as opposed to a city as a whole, it should be more lax. A group who is able to shape the play experience in that suburb to any real degree - for example, SFHNAS has definately impacted the safetfy of Kempsterbank, as have CORAM for Lukinswood.
  3. Groups which can lay claim to widespread activity across several suburbs should not be prohibited from using all of these suburbs - for example, the RRF would be able to lay claim to the status in Greater Ridleybank as a whole.
  4. Truly nomadic groups would simply have to rely on Cat:HG as they do now. This would include groups like MAHB or Red Rum. Groups which are generally nomadic but hold on to a "home base" such as the Philosophe Knights in Lamport Hills, would revert to their "home" suburb.
  5. Knock them on their asses.
    Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 23:40, 21 October 2010 (BST)
Bitchin'. This makes more sense now. These ideas should be incorporated into the policy somehow, because right now, it is too bare-boned, too vague, and too, you know...UD wiki like. Can you go here, and fill in to tighten things up? Or not; it's up to you since it is your policy. But I think more people would go for it (including me) if it has a tighter framework around it, and gives a sense of what people should look for. -MHSstaff 00:14, 22 October 2010 (BST)
I don't really see what's needed to add, to be honest. If passed, it then comes down to the common sense of the userbase to maintain it readily, rejecting votes which are clearly stupid and removing groups which either haven't passed or have no claim to the suburb. It's usually a bad idea to put down too much red tape, the idea was to provide just enough to give a sense of order and purpose without being too unwieldy. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 00:19, 22 October 2010 (BST)
Sure. It's your policy after all. I just think that if you were hoping to provide guidelines for helping the community decide what groups should go in the magic suburb history thing, than having something that points the community in the direction you described above might be a good thing. Right now, I'd argue that, as written, the policy provides very little sense of purpose or order. To each their own though. -MHSstaff 00:32, 22 October 2010 (BST)
As written it's just meant to provide the beaurocratic framework to let the process happen. I didn't want to clutter it with pointers and examples that don't actually impact the rulings of the thing, though perhaps this conversation could be copied onto the talk page to help explain it. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 00:42, 22 October 2010 (BST)

Red Army stuff

In case you missed it, I set up a hidden and password protected forum for the Red Army for communication on Organization XIII's forums (Link to sub-board here). Again, the board won't show up until either me or Yon adjusts your settings to view the board, so PM me or Yon (Yon is rayepenber on the forum) for settings adjustment and the password for the Red Army's sub-board. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 18:41, 23 October 2010 (BST)


I'm rather annoyed that I was not informed that you had removed the DI:MD add, see here: Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 02:46, 24 October 2010 (BST)

Virtually no one gets informed about their recruitment ad being removed. It happens even to groups as large as RRF.
Lazy solution: Just pick a convenient date in the month to always update your time stamp each and every month, and you should never run into that problem again.
Gnome solution: Start to keep an eye on cat:rec and remember to update your own groups while you are at it. It's how I do it and how even a small group as Cobra could never be taken down in months. -- Spiderzed 02:52, 24 October 2010 (BST)
Perhaps a policy should be made then... Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 03:05, 24 October 2010 (BST)
Making other people work so that you don't have to is rarely the right answer. Making policies that enforce that other people work so that you don't have to is the right answer even less of the time. You could just ask that it be added as a guideline to the page, but Mis and I would hate you forever and ever since we're the ones that primarily maintain the page (mostly Mis, in recent months, since he's been beating me to it most of the time it needs work). Aichon 05:08, 24 October 2010 (BST)
It's in the rules... You read the rules before you posted right? Of course you would have!! So you would know the consequences of leaving an ad there for too long. -- LEMON #1 05:11, 24 October 2010 (BST)
As has been said, it's in the page rules. If you don't update it within two months, it comes down. Same goes for anyone, that's why big groups like RRF often see their ads coming down too. Policy to make the page more lenient is a bad idea. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 12:38, 24 October 2010 (BST)
I'm not talking about more leniency, I'm just talking about being courteous enough to tell someone when you remover their add Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 12:51, 24 October 2010 (BST)
As someone who does occassionally some maintenance on cat:rec: No. It's already menial and mind-numbing enough as it is. Adding an extra hoop wouldn't help that much, and would neither do much to help groups to remember updates more often. Enter RRF again: They get regularly taken down, but also reemerge regularly, so they know already about the 2 month policy, but don't care enough about it. All what such a policy should do for them is regular talk page spam.
There are a few special instances where notifications are in order (mostly illegal ads like those with too large pics or with auto-updating time-stamps), but the automatic 2 month purge isn't such an instance. -- Spiderzed 13:05, 24 October 2010 (BST)
I would agree with you if Cat:Rec was the staple of group advertising and thriving but it isn't; I'm still more than sure recruitment doesn't actually work as well as it should as an advertising source for your group, so you really aren't losing out on much by having your group removed from it TBH. -- LEMON #1 13:28, 24 October 2010 (BST)

Siege on Sears flyer

Hey i need someone more artistically talented than myself to design a flyer for the Siege on Sears. Can you halp or refer me to someone that may be a good candidate? I'm thinking Zamgrh on one side and English on the other. Something briefly explaining the situation and providing a link to the petition. Zombie art a plus. ~Vsig.png 14:57, 25 October 2010 (BST)

I'll try mocking something up. I can maybe see if Gor can do something for it, since he's a wizard with the shoops. I'll also drop the link anywhere I can to drum up signitories (totally spelt that wrong). Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 15:03, 25 October 2010 (BST)
I believe the building names are stretching the cells on the 3x3 building grid. You have my blessing to change it if that piece of information helps. ~Vsig.png 22:32, 25 October 2010 (BST)
I'll abbreviate things down then. Also how's this grab you? Zarzpostermockup.jpg Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 02:19, 26 October 2010 (BST)
I've been so caught up in IRL stuff lately that I completely neglected to come back to your talk page and look at this. Sorry. Looks good, though. ~Vsig.png 03:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Siege on Sears

God I love your user page. Anyway, grogh noticed that your MOB zombie is actually over at Sears and while we both kinda went BAH! when we saw you'd wandered away from the horde whilest wearing the tags, we were wondering if you would like to officially represent the horde? --Amber Waves of Pain 05:42, 27 October 2010 (BST)

More Grammar Policing

What you said:

A zombie said "Mah brazzarz! Mah z!zzarz! Zamgrh.!z arz - nah zah harmanz!"
A zombie said "Maz zambahz hab Zamgrh! Mah zambahz ganna ARAZ hab Zamgrh."
A zombie said "Rabahb Zamgrh. AMBRAZ ZAMGRH."

What you should have said:

A zombie said "Mah brazzarz! Mah z!zzarz! Zamgrh am arz - nah zah harmanz!"
A zombie said "Mah zambahz hab Zamgrh! Mah zambahz am ganna ABARGAMZ hab Zamgrh."
A zombie said "Raabab Zamgrh. AMBRAZ ZAMGRH."

Remember, to be is always am. Also, whenever you can't think of a word, don't make it up, check the dictionary. Search KZED if you're lazy. --VVV RPGMBCWS 06:06, 27 October 2010 (BST)

Technically, Zamgrh is more like pigeon English than a strict language and it's evolved with what I suppose are accents through different horde cultures. Raabab/Rabahb is like the difference between Potato/Potatoe - Organize/Organise - Color/Colour.
Besides that, Mis is Irish and speaks like a funny little undead leprechaun. Quit bein a grammar Naz!. :P --Amber Waves of Pain 07:04, 27 October 2010 (BST)
See, I see zamgrh as a language defined more by its morphemes and context than by its grammar and syntax - it's about conveying a point as effectively as possible, not about consulting a cipher. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 16:12, 27 October 2010 (BST)
You consult the cipher until you've memorized enough to convey your point. That way everyone is speaking the same language. --VVV RPGMBCWS 23:30, 27 October 2010 (BST)
It's prescriptivists like you that hold back the development of a language. :P Aichon 17:54, 27 October 2010 (BST)
I'm just trying to keep it a little standardized, so that people can learn it with some ease. --VVV RPGMBCWS 23:30, 27 October 2010 (BST)

Favor to Ask

Now that your dead... bite my ass! - Poodle of Doom 03:29, 29 October 2010 (BST)

Check the talk page of that image, Poodle. You actually helped him. ;) --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 03:30, 29 October 2010 (BST)
If you're after an infection, I'm all pooped out for now, but sit tight and you can have one in the morning. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 03:31, 29 October 2010 (BST)
*you're -- LEMON #1 05:27, 29 October 2010 (BST)
That's what I said. You are. You're. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 16:05, 29 October 2010 (BST)
He was talking to poodle who got it wrong.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature3 16:09, 29 October 2010 (BST)
Oh that's so common it's not even worth pointing out. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 16:10, 29 October 2010 (BST)
Let's not even go in to how he spelt "Favour". ;) --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature3 16:11, 29 October 2010 (BST)
He totally forgot the L. F-L-A-V-O-U-R! -- Spiderzed 16:14, 29 October 2010 (BST)
I have been known to taste delightful. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 16:15, 29 October 2010 (BST)


who knocked that shit open? omg! -- LEMON #1 01:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

That shit's open? Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 16:39, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I like

I likey alot-- Skoll Die 01:08, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


Hey Mis, much as I like your bold and colourful sig, doesn't it read MISANROPY? Where's the TH?--Mallrat The Spanish Inquisition TSI The Kilt Store TKS Clubbed to Death CTD 19:09, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Correct you are. Well spotted. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 20:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Fight Factory

I figured you might want in. Give me some time to get it together. Think Fight Club, just much badassier. ~Vsig.png 22:00, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I had been thinking that already. No shirts, no shoes, no weapons, no leaving, no healing, no anything-that-isn't-punching? Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 22:10, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Nah, we'll have our own rules. My idea is a Fight Club group. Not pro survivor, not pro-zombie, no PKer. We participate in manhunts and fight one another in the interim. Hold our own mini-manhunts, hone skills, challenge others to fights, etc. ~Vsig.png 22:29, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Like an organised Red Rum? Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 22:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Yeah pretty much. Except all the victims are willing. I was actually wondering if you could throw up a protected subforum for the group. Maybe just temporary. Maybe not. ~Vsig.png 00:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Where at? Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 00:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Rummers forum, unless I'm incorrect in thinking you are a mod there. ~Vsig.png 00:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
That you would be. Rev, Nanners and Karl are the three stooges to ask. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 00:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Cool I'll see what I can do. Comms might be IRC at first. ~Vsig.png 01:03, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Easy enough to set up, that. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 01:04, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm on ur talk page

Clikin ur magik plus sign. ~Vsig.png 01:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

HI BAY I'LL BATE YER ARSE TIL IT'S RED RAW SO I WILL HI. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 01:06, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Abnoxious images

Case Precedent - Obnoxious images on admin pages that don't serve the discussion at all have never been allowed. 300px is more than ample enough, and it doesn't cause a massive image to be in the middle of everybody's page, derailing the discussion. I'm going to revert.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:34, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, I'm in no way "editting your comments" - that's just utter bullshit.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:35, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Explain how it is bullshit please. Content added in a discussion section by one user should not be edited by another user simply because they don't like it. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 15:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Also I remember your shitty precedent, that image stretched the page horizontally. Mine doesn't. It's not page breaking in any way, so don't touch it again. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 15:39, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Oops, I did.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
No, somebody's comments should not be editted. My edit in no way changed the meaning of your comment, it just stopped it taking up the entire screen. And it isn't "Simply because I don't like it", it's because it's massively obnoxious and distracts from conversation on an admin page.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
It was deliberately made at that size so as to not take up the full screen, so don't try that lie on me. You're simply being a fucking asshole over something so trivial as a genuinely harmless image added as part of a comment. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 15:45, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
It's taking up most of my monitor, so fuck off. No image should be that big on an admin page. 300px is even pushing it. This isn't your personal playground, the admin pages are a place for serious administrative business. I'm going to keep reverting and I'd wager you are too. Arbies?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 15:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
I've as much right as anyone else to post what seems relevant to the discussion there, which I did. You have zero right to remove it - especially without even simply asking if I would reduce it. You just charged in, edited someone else's comment, then accuse them of treating things like their personal playground. What the fuck is your problem? Discussion there is essentially over, it'll be archived in a short time anyway, you have no reason to start something so needless, petty and plain wrong except to be spiteful. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 16:04, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
It's not "About to be archived", it's going to be there for at least another fortnight, after which there'll need to be more discussion there. Admin pages are not massive image arks, which is why only one image has ever been used on demotions before, and it was a respectable size. And whilst I've given several compelling arguments why it should go, you've said nothign about why it should stay that size. I in no way "editted your comment" as you keep bullshitilly saying, I reduced the size of a massive unneeded image. It is in no way relevant to the discussion, it's your typical attitude of pissing around with serious things. If you want to post a massive angry face to him, do it on his talk. It's unnecessary on an admin page. Get an arbies ruling or I'll keep reverting.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
All that is needed in the next two weeks is confirmation on or before the 25th (which has already been given anyway), followed by one of the crats simply noting the action completed. After that it's dead and buried. And seriously, I fail to see how you can't understand that anything added by a user as part of a discussion on a discussion page or area is not to be edited by other users if it doesn't break pages (which, oh look, no page breaking, and clearly added by this specific user as my comment on the proceedings). You've changed something which you had no right, as a user or an admin or anything, to change. You might think you can consider it good faith but it's simply not, and it's borderline (not outright, but verging on) impersonation. You have no pressing reason whatsoever to change it other than simply thinking that you'd personally prefer it to be smaller, which I frankly don't give a shit about because you've been so pissy about it. You get the ruling, which you won't because you're in the wrong, because otherwise, my comments are my territory, to be edited by me alone. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 16:20, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
I'd agree with the last sentence if it were about comments - which it isn't, it's about an image - and since it's abotu an image, it isn't part of your comment. I am in no way editting the comment, I am in no way impersonating you, you stupid fuck, I'm making the image smaller. Does that change what you said? No. Does it change the meaning of what you said? No. Does it make it so that admin pages aren't being spammed for no valid reason? Yes. If you honestly think you're in the right, it just shows how clueless you are about the rules of the wiki and the wiki as a whole. This has nothing to do with my personal preference - I started by giving you a case precedent, something you seem to be hesitaiting about doing. This is about making sure that admin pages aren't spammed up. I gave you one case that I thought of which was particularly relevant, I could probably find hundreds more with much less minor infractions moved to talk pages for being spam. Your comment adds NOTHING to the conversation, it makes a mockery of a serious page, and it's massively annoying and obnoxious. It make the above text hard to read, and it demeans the importance of a system operator leaving the community. Since you're being massively stupid, I'm about to open arbies.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:25, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
It is my fucking comment. There is no fucking way you can say that something added by one user in a discussion, immediately bookended by their signiture and a timestap, is not their fucking comment. It isn't spam, and I've already explained a while back that your precedent is useless and irrelevant, as it SPECIFICALLY dealt with page breaking images, which this isn't. Presence of the image doesn't make anything harder to read, as it falls below all of the text comments, and doesn't touch or affect them in any way. That's fucking nonsense right there. As for not adding anything, it sums up exactly my feelings on seeing the retirement of the colleague I respect and trust the most, without resorting to the kind of "good luck and goodbyes" that I find inane. It adds feelings on the matter succinctly and I don't see any genuine reason whatsoever to reduce the impact I gave it simply because you're unhappy about something that in no way adversely affects anything. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 16:31, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Suburb Danger Levels

I hate the danger levels for suburbs. They'd be much easier to grok if they mirrored the building reports. Nothing to be done! Misanthropy 21:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC) serious are you about having the danger map automatically update from the building reports? Because it probably could be done.

You could pull the danger status from the building reports, and assign a flag based on the status, say 1 for safe, under attack, 0 for ruined, siege, etc. This would be done for each TRP type (mall, hospital, PD), and the status flags would be used to make a binary number: {flagloc1}{flagloc2}{flagloc3} etc. So let's say you have nine hospitals, and three were ruined, you might get something like this for the hospital status ranking for that suburb: 001001100. That string would go into a counter that determines either how many buildings are safe or assigns a grading on how damaged that resource is in general (e.g. 0000000 = 0, 1111111 = 10, 10 being very safe) (both ways would work the same, right now it just counts the number of ones). Right now, I can give a status for a building type with up to 10 buildings.

Each suburb would have a rubic template that would take in the TRP grading flags, and using a similar type counter, assign a danger level. For example, maybe 1/2 the hospitals, PDs, and Factories were ruined so your flag variable might 555 which a template similiar to the counter one would translate as "Dangerous." The more categories you have, the more cases are required, which might limit how this works. Making the actual counters is fairly easy with a program though. The other thing that is challenging is how to handle "unknown" because it turns this from a binary to three values, which gets out of hand.


-MHSstaff 16:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Aha, that's a whole different direction than I was thinking (I just meant replacing the statuses with "Under siege", "in zombie hands", etc), but if that was to work that would actually be incredibly useful. The only problem I can see with it is that it won't take empty blocks into effect, since they're never given individual reports. I'm already very lost with the technical stuff you're talking about, though, but I could grunt through the updating if it was shown to me how. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 16:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, let me try a test suburb and make sure I can determine a danger ranking for all the TRPs automatically, and then get some sort of danger value from that. The big thing I could use a second opinion on is what is a good "first pass" rubic for determining when a suburb is safe, moderately dangerous, dangerous, and very dangerous - for example, what percentage of a suburb's buildings need to be ruined/ransacked for a suburb to be dangerous. Do Malls and Forts count more..that sort of thing? Doesn't have to be perfect; we just want to see if the general idea could work before maybe making it a wiki project or something along those lines. Can I run the test page by you at some point in the future? -MHSstaff 18:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Count each block as 1, so forts/malls count for 9 or 4 buildings, respectively. I'd say maybe 75%+ safe is green, 50-75% yellow, 25-50% orange and 0-25% red. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 18:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
It's an interesting idea, but there are a few holes:
  1. Such a plan will rely on danger reports being up-to-date. I know the MOB is really good with doing this, but I don't see too many other groups doing this. Of course, with he right connections, we might be able to get some other groups like the RRF or Fortress to start out. Of course, that brings up another point...
  2. Falsified danger reports. Specifically, survivors fudging bad reports while a suburb is being reclaimed. Now this is admittedly still done to the suburb status under the current system, but it would be a bit harder to counter if danger was derived from danger reports.
  3. Undercoverage. How would this system account for zombies in non-TRPS or empty squares? Theoretically, a huge horde could amass in a park, and the suburb would remain "safe" until they started attacking.
Don't get me wrong; it's a good idea, but there are some (potentially) serious flaws in it. I'd say you should try to address them (specifically 3, and to a lesser extent 1) before getting too deep into this. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 19:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Exactly. The underlying assumption is that safety is somehow tied to buildings that are under attack or have been attacked; this will fail when the data is not there or the assumption is wrong. We can't really do much about 1 or 2 since that is outside our control. I can't force people to update building reports nor can I force people to not lie. That said, we also can't really force people to either update suburbs in a timely manner manually or to not lie there as well.
Number 3 is a concern, and maybe what we can do is to weight the report with information from the external military reports which should tell you how many zombies are outside and the general infrastructure of the suburb. What do you think? It is very possible that this will go nowhere but it's probably worth a stretch to see how it works for one suburb, and then reevaluate. -MHSstaff 19:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
A few thoughts of my own.
  1. The counter is an interesting idea, but it's not scalable very easily. Right now, you use 512 cases, since you're dealing with 9 TRPs (i.e. 2^9), but if there were 20 TRPs, then you'd have to have over 1 million cases, which is simply not feasible. The only way around it is to use multiple counters, so you may as well use a smaller counter to begin with.
    • I'd suggest using a 4-bit (3-bit) counter instead. It'd need just 16 cases instead of 512, and you could then use a base-4 counter to count the outputs from the multiple 4-bit counters.
    • A base-4 counter would just need 5*(maximum number of TRPs in a suburb - 4) number of cases to handle every single suburb without problem. So, if I had to hazard a guess, about 100 cases. It'd need to be called multiple times, however, but the same would be true if you had to use a base-9 counter to deal with your code, and the base-9 counter would actually require significantly more code (roughly twice as much).
  2. This doesn't take into account situations where the suburb is dangerous for reasons other than current break-ins. For instance, by the current definition, as soon as the MOB or the RRF enters a suburb, it goes to dangerous, regardless of anything else, simply on account of those groups bringing 50+ zombies in. Even in suburbs where they might face some resistance, I wouldn't call those suburbs safe by any means.
  3. As has been pointed out, we need to deal efficiently with unknown statuses as well. One possibility would be to count the number of buildings with statutes that are up to date and then use that as the denominator, but I'm guessing that the code to handle the division on the fly would require roughly 400-500 cases, which is doable, but not ideal. This could be reduced by making templates for the various denominators, which would shrink the code to only about 20-25 cases.
Anyway, there are some code issues, but nothing insurmountable. The bigger issues are usability and sensibility, but it might be something that could be done. Aichon 10:11, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Since this, in theory, would be automatic, we can sorta have our cake and eat it to. Keep the manual suburb danger map, and add something like this to the map area which gives an idea that is more related to "TRP control" or current TRP infrastructure using information derived from the danger reports. -MHSstaff 19:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

That gives me an interesting (probably pain-to-code) idea. Keep the current map, but have a small danger-report smiley in each square. The color will be determined via the current manual model, while the smiley could be on a switch based on the proposed danger report system. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 19:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
How would that be better than a Status Map? --VVV RPGMBCWS 07:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Because it shows both building status in the suburb and zombie numbers / break-ins in a suburb.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 10:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

What concerns me about this is that it can only get less reliable. As the populations shrinks, so must the number of people willing to update. We aught to be moving towards the easily updated suburb danger levels, rather than the more complex building status reports.
I've been toying with a similar (and simpler) idea. Five suburb danger levels are fused to determine the district danger level. Five district danger levels are fused to determine the division danger level. All four division danger levels are fused to determine the city danger level. --VVV RPGMBCWS 07:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

That just complicates things, and is unnecessary. Districts, divisions, city danger level, that's all irrelevant and a waste of time. It gives no useful extra information, as I can retrieve the same information by looking at the whole map for 30 seconds. Suburb danger reports are the most valuable source of information, focus on them specifically. --Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 11:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

My thought is to create a Userscript that checks building status and zombie numbers for a block at which a player currently is standing. Players running the script have a button that allows them to send data about a building in which they stand. The values could be returned for each building status (1 for ruined, 0 for safe?) and number of zombies (1 for <10, 2 for >10?). Each suburb is given a base number (to counter the differences in varying number of buildings/TRPs in a given suburb) and then values from player scans are added to give a overall suburb status value. Suburb status value is used to build danger map. Not sure how you would get it onto the wiki. Either bot or people who check the values often and just plug in the numbers. This could likely encourage more updates to building status since it would be a simple button click. Would be anonymous as well. BTW why are we still spamming Mis' talk page? ~Vsig.png 16:19, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Wondering that myself... Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 16:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
You're a cool guy, that's why. Also, UDBrain already does/did something like that. Those types of wide scale scouting projects are generally frowned upon by most people. Aichon 16:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Ah ha! So it does. Well I don't see the difference between wide scale scouting using a script and wide scale scouting using BSR. Why were people frowing on it? And what happened to the RedRum map? ~Vsig.png 17:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
RR moved sites, map was on the old one. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 17:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
The difference has to do with the mechanism. Being able to scout with one character and reap benefits with another reeks of alt abuse to a lot of people, especially after issues in the past with DEMON and IMP, and a lot of them don't like the idea of automatic scouting for some reason. Most people see any sort of automated scouting tool as the work of the devil and cry for it to be burned at the stake. If you ask me, however, I don't see a problem with them, so long as some care is given to either make the data publicly available to anyone, as the wiki is, or else to ensure somehow that it can't be used for alt abuse (which was the chief complaint leveled against DEM's policies back in the day). Aichon 22:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Fun and Exciting

I have something that falls into the category of the section title, but will need help with it. You interested in hearing a cool idea? - Poodle of Doom 19:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Maybe. Spill it. Please use the page rules from now on though. ¬_¬ Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 19:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Sorry,... knew I was supposed to use a level one header, but forgot. That said, I'd like to possably set up an Urban Dead Convention, one here in America, and Possably on in the UK that would occure at the same time, and maybe have some video confrencing up so people could chit chat across the world. Who knows.... anyway... I like the idea of maybe having a zombie/Urban Dead Convention, and would love to maybe set up a wiki page, or general discussion page to get input from other users. That said, I'd love someone from accross the pond to help with the sister convention on that side. The idea stems from the worlds largest zombie walks, a couple of which occured in a city near me. - Poodle of Doom 20:00, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Hmm. There's potential, but given the disparate nature of the communities, it'll be tricky getting it advertised or planned out. Maybe talk to Kevan about getting something together in-game to promote whatever you settle on? Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 20:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, there again, I'd be interested in this, but there's obviously going to be some sort of cost involved. That said, I was thinking about setting up a ticket sale,... maybe $5 a ticket to cover costs, and all costs will have to be met before the convention plans are set up. I'd hate to be out money, or anyone else for that matter. At the end of the convention, all the remaining funds could/would be donated to Kevan. - Poodle of Doom 20:10, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I guess what I'm asking is if you're interested in heading up the sister one if this gets off the ground... -EstacadoTalk 20:44, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I'd talk to an Englishman about that, since that's the biggest European concentration of players. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 20:50, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Rather than to create your own event, it might be better to hang on the curtails of an existing convention and just organize a meet-up there. I've organized RPG conventions, and trust me, it's a darn lot of work. -- Spiderzed 20:59, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Which for Britain would probably be the MCM Expo in May and OCtober of each year in London.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:01, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Having organised and attended 'meets' for internet forums and communities, it doesn't have to piggy back on any existing convention, if anything I think it would put people off. What you need is one big/central city, a date, a pub and someone enthusiastic, friendly and relentless to kitten herd/promote/organise, and these things tend to work out great. --BOSCH 01:00, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I can help with an australian branch. The BBK will all attend for shits and giggles. -- LEMON #1 00:49, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

That would be awesome... What I'll probably do is set up a page dedicated to the real life event, and see who else has interest. -EstacadoTalk 23:26, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Escape stuff

I'm going to keep editing the Escape (event) page. I have no idea why anybody made a separate page since there was already a page for the original Escape, but there's no 'don't edit' tag on it, so I'm going to keep tinkering. -Captain Video 04:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

The separate page was to have a factual page for the overview of the event itself, not a group page for the planning and doing and stuff. Editing Escape (event) with this new content is essentially the same as adding information on D-Day to wikipedia's First World War page. Connected, yes. Relevant? no. Please keep things that aren't actually to do with the event that was the first escape off of the page solely for that event. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 04:49, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Also, a big difference is that Escape is a group page — your group page — whereas Escape (event) is an event page about the event that happened, which includes not just your group, but also No Escape, MOB, RRF, and all of the other hordes and groups that were in attendance. The rest of what Mis said is stuff I was about to say, but got edit conflicted for. Aichon 04:52, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Could I just make a separate page with the same content and different name? I want a factual place with all the information for both Escapes. -Captain Video 04:54, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
When this one's over it'll probably be given the same retrospective treatment, if that's what you're after, though you could start it now if you want I guess, but these things are better done in hindsight. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 04:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
I suppose that's fair enough. I'll have more time then. -Captain Video 04:58, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Just remember that the purpose of Escape (event) is to get some historical recognition in UD, via Historical Events, because though your Historical Groups attempt failed, even those against it recognised it as worthy if it was redone and submitted as an NPOV event. So working with it is much more beneficial than just copying it over and working on your own IMO -- LEMON #1 07:01, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

My topic here

I'm conservative? :( Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 23:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

You apply administration influence conservatively, just as RL conservatives do with government. This is most clear in your tendency to vote keep and not vandalism. --VVV RPGMBCWS 23:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
This galls me. I may go delete things now. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 23:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
You're dramatically conservative, but punitively liberal. Yonn is consecutively liberal, but vivaciously conservative. Aichon 03:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
And I don't really care. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:15, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

In terms of the blocs within the sysop team, Misanthropy and I are moreorless part of the same bloc, the New Progressive one. But, since it's essentially the biggest bloc now, it's divided further in to a Superproggressive group and a standard progressive group. Which is which, I have no idea. Ross and DDR are both part of the old progressive bloc (no longer the wiki's progressive bloc as they're leading the team, and Boxy and Cheese represent the old conservative bloc.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 17:31, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

I like to think that if the sysop team was the Commons, I'd be Clement Freud. Or possibly Cat Mandu. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 23:11, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

A thingy. A fiendish thingy.

i dont know if this is how u ask a question if its not can u tell me how anyway u said i wuz a sock for a user thats in trouble i think its my roomate is it possible just to ban the 1 thats vandalising and not the ip i really dont want to get banned--Nexus 02:40, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Simple - checking Zombieman 11's IP address showed it to be an exact match for yours, and the fact that your only edits so far are a) entirely concerned with Zombieman 11, and b) in exactly the same style as theirs, definitely doesn't help your case. I'd just stop the charade if I was you. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 02:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
But, Mis! The odds of two roommates, presumably of college age or beyond, both having atrocious grammar and spelling, lacking entirely in the ability to read (let alone follow) simple instructions, going to the exact same set of about a half dozen pages out of thousands here, and starting the same niche game within a few days of each other are astronomically large. It happens all the time around here! Surely this is all just a big mixup and he's not actually a sockpuppet acting in bad faith to build a false sense of consensus while avoiding accountability for his actions? Surely not! Aichon 09:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
A sarcasm meter. That's a good invention. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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