User talk:Mobius187

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1 Me Retired? Why For?
2 READ ME: A Word to the Wise
3 Generic Topics
4 My Work on Suburb Locations
5 Compliments
6 User/Group Requests

[edit] Me Retired? Why For?

Yup. If you're posting a message here you may have a long wait period before I respond, like say never. I have retired from UD and the UD Wiki. As such, please feel free to post only positive comments in which you lay fame and glory at my feet. All other messages would be pointless. Then again, when will I read all the new compliments? Ah, well. Good luck to everyone still playing UD. It really is a great game. :) --Mobius 00:55, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Lies Mobius, lies. We all saw your post on the Dulston Alliance Talk page the other day. Have you trully returned or was this edit a one off? And why even did you leave? Find out next time (that Mobius posts). Yonnua Koponen 17:13, 31 July 2008 (BST)

Gotcha! Updating Treweeke a few hours ago. Is that a comeback?-- [ ρsych°Lychεε ]^{☼ T} 19:30, 31 July 2008 (BST)

Caught you on Whitlock this time. Seriously, stop pretending. Yonnua Koponen 12:21, 3 September 2008 (BST)

[edit] READ ME: A Word to the Wise

Like any good scientist I felt that this page needed some ordered logic to it. As such I have taken the liberty of reorganizing all the past topics under major headings and would advise anyone who wishes to post a comment to refer to each section to see where their post is best suited to appear. If in doubt, stick it under "Generic Topics". To view older topics check out my Archive page.

REMINDER: Please post your new topic at the top of the section, so that older topics are below it. Thanks.

[edit] Generic Topics

No idea where to post your topic? Then this is the place. If I think it should be posted somewhere else though be sure to check the page's History to confirm where your topic ended up. That said, remember to post the newest topics at the top.

[edit] Poster

Great New poster at whitlock. Thanks. Yonnua Koponen 18:40, 25 September 2008 (BST)

Not a problem. --Mobius 21:59, 25 September 2008 (BST)

HOW ON EARTH DID I MISS THIS!?!?!?!?!?! Yonnua Koponen 07:46, 21 October 2008 (BST)

[edit] Drive-by edits!

Something tells me you really didn't escape malton after all. ;) Welcome back? --Kikashie ^{Read the Dispatch!} 19:13, 19 June 2008 (BST)

Just wanted you to know we're going to be ratifying the Alliance Charter you made a while ago, and will be using it as a template for the Northeastern Union. Nobody thanked you properly for that, and it was some piece of work. Thanks a lot Mobius, really. --Kikashie ^{Read the Dispatch!} 04:54, 14 July 2008 (BST)

I would like to thank you for that, as well. Having taken the time to read over it, and making a few constructive edits to reflect the present nature of the Dulston Alliance, it is an excellent guide for that humble supergroup we know and love in the NE corner. Your work was, and always will be, greatly appreciated. If you ever choose to return, there's a few pints from the Burchell Arms waiting in the fridge at the Fortress of Science! Ottari^{DA PDA NW} Read the Dispatch!

[edit] Bye?

Are you gone... forever? Also, may you tell me about this way out of Malton? -- AHLG T H 02:13, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Yup. I'm gone for good. There were two times before that I thought I was going, but after telling everyone I was going I never did that. This time I realized I had left UD after I noticed I hadn't come by the UD Wiki in over two weeks. Then I knew it had finally happened. Like the grim reaper, swift and silent. As for how to escape Malton, you don't need me to tell you. You'll find your own way out eventually, just like I did. I will say this, the way out is in the last place anyone ever ends up looking... ;) --Mobius 23:10, 24 April 2008 (BST)

:( 16 More NTs to complete the Nw/NT DB.. Good bye. Oh and I feel like I'm at a funeral now.(phsshh maybe he'll get re-airdropped in someday :D)--Tec7890 ^T ^RCDC ^NW 02:19, 25 April 2008 (BST)

[edit] NecroWatch Eye Symbol Origin

I was wondering where you acquired the eye symbol used on the NW pages. Perhaps you could enlighten me? -- VI _♘ 14:20, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Through the power of Google my friend. I was searching using random key words like "watch" and "monitor", or some combination thereof, when I stumbled across the image. From what I could tell it was a stained glass window which I edited slightly with Photoshop (i.e. removed bordering glass, adjusted alignment, cleaned-up image, ect). I certainly liked the final product. --Mobius 12:59, 31 March 2008 (BST)

[edit] 404

Hi. I've discussed with my group your offer to help with the wiki page, and we'd welcome any help you could give. Viktor's been working on it a lot, and it seems he's pretty good with layout stuff (which I'm not). Anyway, you're welcome to help out with it if you wish. Thanks. :) --Emerald Green 09:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SW Malton Necrotech Choice

Mobius: I choose the Cheeke Building. It has always played a key role in the recurring sieges of Thomson Mall, especially in 2005 and 2006. Seems kind of like a Southwestern Fortress of Science. --Ottari 01:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings from the Abandoned!

Hey Caleb: First off, may I congratulate the Dulston Alliance as a whole for surviving that entire Big Bash ordeal, and the ruination that came afterward that lasted for weeks on end. I wish I could say the same for Yagoton. Rampant destruction of nearly all buildings in the area and the few remaining ferals have sent our members scouring for any safehouse in the area, as we try to contact what few allies we have left in the suburb, as well as attempting to maintain a revive point. After seeing that Dulston had returned to Green status, a few of our members have been sent on missions to your suburb in order to restock on much needed supplies of FAK's and revification syringes. For security reasons, these members will not be listed, but I humbly ask that the Dulston Alliance welcome them into the suburb, and give them safe haven while they gather goods to dole out to their comrades back home. Rest assured, our members entering Dulston will be equally gracious.

--Private Mark 00:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

As allies of the Dulston Alliance your group has every right to come to Dulston for supplies. Actually even if you had no alliance you would be welcome, as the DA doesn't turn away pro-survivor groups seeking supplies/shelter. A recent discussion with The Imperium had us explain that the DA doesn't "own" suburbs, but rather just helps keep them safe, whether by providing medical/revive services, or by punishing criminals so they attack DA operatives over the average unaligned survivor just minding his own business. Of course the best way to contact the DA is through its forums. Kikashie, one of the forum admins, recently revamped security so that everything is now ordered by forum group filters, so if you do have an account there let me know (here) so that I can grant you increased access. On that note, I will make sure that, if you haven't already posted the news, that the Alliance is made aware of your situation. I cannot speak for the Alliance leadership (as I have no rank/powers other than forum/wiki administrative ones), but I will inquire whether they can provide assistance. At the very least, if your group members are seeking revivals they will find them in Dulston/Pescodside. Also, be sure to check NecroWatch to updated NecroNet scans that may provide further tactical information. No matter what though, good luck. --Mobius 12:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SE Recon

According to my data i've completed SE recon. you can check if this is needed --~~~~ [talk ] 08:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I have confirmed it. Congrats on earning the SE Master Recon ribbon medal. :) --Mobius187 13:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Just want to keep you updated: I wasn't arround any NW updating for awhile. One word - Monroeville. Ok, actually two: mapping Monroeville. Anyway, it's weekends and i finally found time to log on my malton characters (i think i lost about 150-200AP by ignoring them lately) and made some NecroWatch scans. Luckily enough, got myself All Seeing Eye in the process and [more than] 150 scans(!). Also i'm near the end of SW recon (6 left) - it has much less NTs than other forths. heh. --~~~~ [talk ] 15:11, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually i'm 1 NT far from claiming the SW too - i even have gen and fuel for it already, waiting for enough AP charge to scan and get away. About NT is SE, after a thought i've chosen The Malcolm Building as the "fort perryn's one" it has some history unlike most of other NTs in the area. --~~~~ [talk ] 17:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Good luck with that scan, as it would appear we'll need to update your medal on the Members wikipage then. Your NT decision has been noted and I will proceed with creating the appropriate medal ribbon. Now I just need to hear back from Ottari. --Mobius 19:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. SW earned too. Notably, there was a real-time combat with a zombie in the last NT, i talked to it in Death Rattle, but it din't respond :/ , so i've resolved this issue by leaving the hungry zombe behind and going away. --~~~~ [talk ] 11:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Roachtown and ALiM

Roachtown has been voted to be added to the list of Amusing Locations in Malton, usual practice states that the ALiM template should be added to such locations. Since Roachtown is a suburb page we feel that consultation with residents of the suburb should be undertaken prior to adding the template to see if people support/object to its addition. Seeing as you're quite active in Roachtown's wiki page history, please comment on the Roachtown talk page/my talk page/on the ALiM talk page with your views. Thanks!--Nick 06:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reporting Back for NecroWatch Duty and Queries about Ghost Recon

As I've stated in the Talk page for the organization, I've started playing UD again after a two-week hiatus. Unfortunately, I'm sick, so I'm not really up to the hassle of cropping NecroNet scans out of PrtSc images then uploading them. I've resorted to posting links to the Iwitness reports of the scans I've done at Whittenside.

Someone changed the danger level of Whittenside into a Ghost Town. It clearly is not, as shown in my scans of the past couple of days. I don't think the person who changed the danger level for the suburb remembers the fact that the zed population has to be low and disorganized for that scenario to take place. There's plenty of zombies ganging up on the newly-set up safehouses of survivors sneaking into the suburb to fix it.

Anyways, despite the mistaken change in suburb danger level, do I qualify for the Ghost Recon ribbon? --The Masked Lurker 07:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I would have to rule that yes, you do meet the requirements for the Ghost Recon badge. After all, the badge is meant to help identify the correct/current status of any suburb marked as a Ghost Town. Don't forget though, the unspoken rule is that if you prove a suburb is not a Ghost Town you should follow-up by changing its danger level to one more appropriate to what the scans proved it to be, thus eliminating the mistaken perception. Thus the end result of your recon resolved the issue of an inappropriate danger level (i.e. not a ghost town). --Mobius187 13:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NecroWatch

How come your NecroWatch pics contain black squares? --Memoman 18:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

That depends on who reports them. None of the scans I post/upload are actually mine (I'm retired from UD), rather they are reported to me via NecroWatch by someone else and I help by uploading them. It frees up people who just want to hand over an iWitness link and not have to worry about the work related to getting it posted. I don't mind doing the work if it helps share scans with everyone (I'm one of the helpful sort in UD). You can of course refer to the name of the person I reported the scan for if you want to follow-up with them (I sign in their name, as it's their scan and they get all the credit for it). --Mobius187 18:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

NecroNet scans on iWitness contain black squares instead of pictures for streets blocks. you may think of this as an iWitness bug. or feature --~~~~ [talk ] 21:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I always had a sneaking suspicion it had to do with unpowered buildings, but I suppose if that were true a recent scan from Clewett NT probably would have been a big black block. So I'll go with it being an unwanted feature. --Mobius187 12:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Skritz necrowatch

Uhm, its not my fault, i have problem with the wiki...XD

--Skritz

If you want, I can help explain anything you need. What exactly are you having troubles with? --Mobius187 12:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Raines Hills Problems

I'm finally finished with both Millen Hills and Raines Hills tours of duty. last 2 NTs took a damn lot of time, including dying few times, as you already know... Also i was even first in the Morgane, it still had "missing" static in the NecroWatch plug. Thus i'm first to complete raines hills tour of duty. woo! --~~~~ [talk ] 13:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Your choice in topic title had me worried there for a moment. I think "Victory over Raines Hills" would have been more fitting ;). Congrats on earning those ribbon medals and keep up the good work. :) --Mobius187 17:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neutral Point Of View

Alright. In the interest of not being a complete and utter hypocrite when asking folks like Iggles and Vachon Blaze to maintain NPOV I'm launching a personal campaign to attempt to iron out the point-of-view kinks in the Dulston information pages. My own personal bias needs a cleansing as well, but I'm primarily doing this in an attempt to keep the zombie bragging down to a minimum (it may also be because my own group seems to be breaking up around me).

Obviously, this is not going to be an easy endeavour. Therefore I am requesting to enlist your aid in flattening the viewpoint in the Dulston article, the Treweeke article, and whichever other ones seem particularly suspect, as I am highly suspicious of my own ability to sense the lower levels of bias.

I'm not asking for a complete sandblasting of backstory and angle, mind- just trying to lower the mound a little. --Boris 18:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Well I'll see what I can do. Anyone can play the NPOV card if anything but facts are presented. That's why in most cases people keep NPOV comments to their own group wikipage (for serious NPOV/propaganda). Facts should speak for themselves, whether you like it or not. The only real way to get any NPOV into suburb news is by the "give 'n get" system. You pump out pro-survivor news, say, and then at the same time tip your hat by balancing it with pro-zombie news. So long as both sides are happy no one tends to complain. The moment a complaint is lodged then you're dealing with potential NPOV (of course that again depends on how far the news post strays from the facts).

One final note. If you are offended by any public news you have the right to move it to the suburb Talk wikipage and put a note mentioning that fact. I saw it happen in Pitneybank a lot of times, not to mention all the other suburbs I archive news for, it happens in lots of places depending on the degree of news bias. --Mobius187 22:15, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: Are you referring to the news Iggles posted for February 8th? If so, then I'm afraid you shall have to bite the bullet. I see nothing wrong with posting facts as he did. His speculation, that the mall is doomed... well, I hate to admit it but it seems very likely. Now you may not like that he's revealing survivor numbers, but there is no rule to state zombies can't post those numbers. Sure, it's frowned upon as "zombie spying", but there is nothing the UD Wiki has against it. I know, I read a past complaint about this. I checked my other Watch wikipage... and I haven't seen anything posted by Vachon Blaze... so I'm not sure what he posted that has offended you. Unless it's on the Infected Swarm wikipage, in which case he's free to post whatever news he likes there. --Mobius187 22:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I really shouldn't have brought Vachon into this. He really got under my skin back when the Swarm was rampaging over the suburb in December and I suppose it's stuck with me. Like I said, I'm well aware that I'm not without bias myself, and that I'm not always aware of when that Bias takes chance to crop up, which is why I came asking for help.

But! If no POV is to be found then I suppose the only one is myself (and I do need to work on that in the future). So I suppose it'd be best to just disregard all this. --Boris 23:44, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Uhm, Mobius, you're wrong. NPOV doesn't means content-less it means not doing junk like the "give and get" system. Please take a nice jaunt through both the NPOV talk page and UDWiki:Style Guide. As far as NPOV goes, as long as you aren't using Is or presenting things in an extremely slanted and biased manner it's usually let slide. --Karek^maps?! 01:33, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clewett

Hmm.... I was hoping to post up my own scan from the Clewett facility, but noted you just posted up N00berts. Wouldn't really want to duplicate his scan... but I have the remaining 11 necessary to finish up my work. :-) Rhodenbank, Dulston, and Pescodside NT facilities. Shall I wait a few hours and then post a new scan from Clewett? --Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 22:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

That's the best course of action. If pressed for time wait at least 1 hour and then scan. An hour might show some changes... maybe. --Mobius187 22:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll wait a bit anyway, as I'm in the area... still debating which building to finish the 150 at. The Fortress of Science, or my home at Clewett. :-) Maybe I'll try that new type of Coca Cola they invented and think on that for a while. --Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 22:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Drink? Don't you sno-ah yes. Drink. Right. Keep up the good work. ;) --Mobius187 22:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm a Coke addict now. :-) The scientists at Clewett did a good job. Anywho... I submit, for your approval, 150 scans to the Necrowatch program. Also, I noted that the program has found scans for 89.81% of all NT facilities in Malton. Only 21 more remain unclaimed. We're doing quite well, I believe. --Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 01:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind, but I numbered your entries, so now I can certainly see you have the requested 150 scans. Congrats! :D --Mobius187 02:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for numbering my scans. :-) I fixed the Bridgman issue... sorry about the mixup, I was probably half-asleep doing some wiki-editing. Anywho... things should be completely legitimate now. --Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 23:46, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mistake

Sorry it was a mistake was getting them to put on our hit list will you please correct it for me, was half asleep when I was working on the wiki if you dont I will try to fix it later thanks--Vachon Blaze 14:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] new ribbon idea

i was thing about replacement for ghost recon and here's what came to my mind. i want there to be a dangerous ribbon. but what can count as dengerous if limit to not refering other sources? the numbers in the scans themselves! a ribbon would be earned for a scan with some minimum number of specimen on it. --~~~~ [talk ] 21:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

p.s. this is how i keep a track of my recon progress. it also helps to plan the path a lot! --~~~~ [talk ] 22:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I spotted that little change to the member's list entry for yourself. Back to your point, I agree that your idea for a ribbon is solid. Even so, I think the original idea behind the Ghost Recon ribbon was meaningful, namely monitoring ghost town suburbs. What I need to do is retrict access to the ribbon, perhaps by imposing a 7-day wait period between claims (i.e. scans must be reported at least 7 days after the last set of scans) and require that should the scans prove the suburb is not a ghost town that the member update the suburb accordingly. Of course I do still like your idea and I've actually added it to my list of "new" ribbons. Yes, I had some in the works to help you guys feed your ever-growing hunger for medals. Your medal idea will be released alongside 2 other new medals. That said, I think that the guideline for the medal you suggested (which I'm tentatively naming the "Combat Recon" medal) would be "a scan with at least 150 zombies at one location, or 250 zombies (total) within the scan's range". After all, that meets the requirement for a Very Dangerous suburb, but at the same time allows for them to be scattered a bit depending on when the scan is taken. --Mobius187 00:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SW Recon Master

I uploaded the last few scans necessary from Nixbank, New Arkham, Williamsville, and Buttonville today to qualify for SW Recon, or at least I believe. Any chance you could verify the truth of that? Also... I realize how we can have a reasonably flawless way of keeping track, even without having to sign on the Recon page, and with our outdated images having to be deleted per Sysop duties. :-) Each user's contributions page should keep a log, like my roughly 400 edits since January 1st, on my own Page. Even if the old images are deleted the contribution will still be logged as a permanent record. Of course, knowing you, the power of science probably already made you aware of that. Cheers! --Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 18:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

That's also my way of saying... about 48 scans from now, I'll update the signatue page. :-) Gotta have some of that cake first. --Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 02:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm a man set in my ways ;). I've analyzed the suburb reports against the NT Recon list and it appeared like you almost missed The Nevill Building in Kinch Heights. Then, being the kind of guy I am, I took a closer look at the image timestamp itself. You know, it's one thing not to sign for your first-time scans in the NT Recon wikipage, but an entirely different matter when you forget to sign/timestamp your updated scan image :P. Don't worry though, I signed it for you and timestamped it based on the time you uploaded the image. That said, I have confirmed that you have posted scans for every NT facility in SW Malton, and thus you have earned the SW Recon Master badge. Congrats. :) --Mobius187 03:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you most kindly. :-) My apologies for failing to sign the scan. Guess the hours at my new job have left me a little worn out. Thanks for being immensely patient during the whole Necrowatch process thus far. ----Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 03:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

No prob. --Mobius187 12:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Generators and ruins

Nothing can stop you from placing generator in a ruined or ransacked building and refueling it. I actually made quite a lot of scans from ruined buildings that only had zombie population "guarding" ruin. powering ruin is specially good tactics as light is not shown on minimap (building looks like any other ruin) but boosts search rates to about those for normal unpowered building. some examples can be seen here Search Odds/Police Department Data and here Search Odds/Necrotech Building Data, look for the rows that have LR status. So what i'm saying is that scans don't give even nearly enough information to figure the danger level for the building, you don't know statuses: neither "ruined" (y/n), nor "barricaded" (level) nor survivor population inside. p.s. i had no idea you're not playing yourself O_O --~~~~ [talk ] 17:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Heh. I used to play UD, but then I "retired". My most famous character was Caleb Usher, so I still use his name when playing/posting in-character. This should also explain why you and the other NecroWatch members are so important to the project I started. Without you guys I would be forced to rely on outdated iWitness reports, and that's hardly conducive to what we really need. Anyway, thanks for the information. I'll leave status updates to those of you still in the field. ;) --Mobius187 17:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Work

If you insist on remaining a sysop, you may as well clean up the horrific mess your pet project has made. Go through Category:Necronet and purge all the non current revisions older than 7 days from them, as per A/G Scheduled deletions point 2. Each revision is only about 5-10kb, but they really pile up. Ive made a start for you. Edit: in a fit of spiteful helpfulness, ive gone and purged all the old revisions for you that are due up to today, killing maybe 200 MB of crap out. There are a whole pile that come due tomorrow though. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 16:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to do that. Would it be possible for me to move through all of the scan images and delete all past revisions of those images ahead of schedule (i.e. sooner than the mentioned 7 days since last linked)? Obviously the only significance of retaining the past scan revisions would have been to serve as historical footnotes, but as they are eating up server space I see no reason not to delete them all prompty (as in as soon as I notice and have the time). That way I could manage them without creating a possible scenario where the image/workload piles up unnecessarily. Of course I will not act on this until I hear some response from you on the matter (yay or nay), except for the images that are scheduled for deletion tomorrow. --Mobius187 18:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Stick to the rules. Its safer that way. If you want an exception, go to policy discussion. Also, i think you have the necrowatch scans in their own category. I didnt go through that particular one. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 06:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll take your advice. And yes, the scan images were placed their own category after I had a discussion (of sorts) with boxy and Duke Garland. They felt that this was the best way to track them all moving forward. Right, now I'm off to delete those revision images that came due today... --Mobius187 12:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ghost Recon

You know I wouldn't usually want to add more work to your already full plate... but I do have a question. Duke Garland was wondering whether I technically earned the Ghost Recon badge in Judgewood. It was back on the 12th of January, I do believe. At the time, it was labeled a ghost suburb on the map. Seeing as you're the driving force behind Necrowatch, I figure you're the one best suited for judgment regarding this badge. Anywho... I better get back to Wyke Hills and try to claim that All-Seeing Eye badge before the others do. Otherwise, it will likely be a month or more before I'm able to again. Cheers. - Ottari

Well, for your trouble, I'll drop by the Burchell Arms on my way back to Pescodside. If Caleb has indeed left the town, then I'll find some mechanism to get a round of their finest ales sent your way. On second thought, let me dig through my supplies. Ah, here we go...

	SEARCH THE BOX
	This user knows a round of the Burchell Arm's finest beer is in that box!

No trouble. I mean, I can see Duke's point and it's a good one. But the problem isn't you, rather it was my initial ruling on how the ribbon badge was earned. I was too vague in that regard, when I should have had it more like "All-Seeing Eye" (no more than one person per month per ghost town), but then it would have been a real pain in the butt to get. Which brings up my point, NecroWatch isn't about stressing out over badges, it's about having fun and getting recognition for doing a cool job that helps people. I'm certain the people of Judgewood are happy three people came around and posted scans for their suburb, you guys probably helped them realize the suburb wasn't a ghost town. Anyway, I'll make more badges once you guys have collected every ~~Pokemon~~ err "badge", should you still hunger for more. I know there's another Tour of Duty out there... and maybe I'll dub one or 2 NTs with "special badges". Of course I'll need to do that before you guys claim Master Recon or else you'll auto-achieve these medals. :) --Mobius187 20:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Point well taken. On an unrelated side note... I'm using a modified suburb map page template to check off the suburb's I've completed for my own records. :-) Unfortunately, all I've gotten to do so far is blanking out the danger color to white every time I complete a suburb. I'll try to tweak the background colors a bit more. Check it out under the Necrowatch Scans section of my user page. -Ottari

I'll have to check that out... --Mobius187 20:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bored.

Don't know if it helps, but I was at the tribe building in penny heights. Just now. Thought this may be of use. The image "Necroj.JPG" --Ross less ne s s^{Join a Borehamwood Group?} 16:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll see about posting the scan to NecroWatch. You can also post similar requests on the NecroWatch Talk wikipage. --Mobius187 00:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Ive put up a link to join. Anything else I need to do?--Ross less ne s s^{Join a Borehamwood Group?} 15:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

That's it. I try and make it as simple as possible for people to join up. Be sure to read the FAQ, and then do as you please so long as you report scans (whenever and wherever you like). Of course you can also add this template to your user wikipage:

{{NecroWatch|Name=Rosslessness}}

That just says you've joined, but it's obviously not required. Also, as you earn ribbon medals feel free to avail yourself to the template I created specifically for displaying your medals, namely this one (feel free to post it anywhere you like on your user wikipage):

{{NecroBadges|Name=Rosslessness|Rank=1|ReconRank=|NW-ASE=|NW-GR=|NW-LH=|NW-EV=|NW-BW=|NW-BTD=|NW-ETD=|NW-MHTD=|NW-MTD=|NW-PTD=|NW-MR=}}

But of course it's not required either. Anyway I'll add you to the members list, be sure to update your "total scans" there whenever you post one or more, and most importantly have fun. --Mobius187 16:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Cool, Im aiming for my SE Recon Master badge.--Ross less ne s s^{Join a Borehamwood Group?} 16:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Good luck! :) --Mobius187 16:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Ive uploaded a scan in quarlesbank. Did i follow correct procedure?--Ross less ne s s^{Join a Borehamwood Group?} 16:36, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I have confirmed that you posted the scan perfectly. I should mention though that the "--" before your signature is not required as the template automatically includes it, but that's hardly a major issue here. But I still wanted to point it out. Anywho, the next step would be to record your scan by first going here, editing the list, and adding +1 to your total scans... which gives you 2 now (as this would be your second reported scan since January 1st 2008, when scans started to be counted). Secondly, be sure to copy your signature from the scan (your timestamp to be specific) and go here. What is this, you may ask. This is an alphabetical list of every NT facility in Malton. This list is used to confirm who has or hasn't scanned from a specific NT building. You now need to locate the NT facility you scanned from and sign there. For example, in this case you would go down to here, locate the entry for the "Milnerr Building" and edit it. Be sure to always add you name to the bottom of any list, as some members are tracking the order people reported for each building. It's kind of a race to see who can get to the most buildings first, but there is no official reward (yet). If you see the signature "Unclaimed", delete it and take its place. That's just a placeholder signature made by me until someone actually reports from that building. Also, and lastly (phew!), only members of NecroWatch are added to these lists, so ignore non-members who post scans because obviously they won't be earning badges. And that's it. I hope this helps. --Mobius187 16:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh my god. Just done The Longstaff Building, and its not on your NT list. How can I claim it? Is there a prize!--Ross less ne s s^{Join a Borehamwood Group?} 17:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I've so far added 5-7 buildings that were not originally on my recon list. The reason for this being that originally I figured the best way to record all the NT buildings alphabetically was to use Category:Necrotech Buildings. Sounds like a good idea, right? Well it turns out some people didn't grasp the concept of including every NT building in this category. So every time I come across one of these buildings I end up having to go to the location wikipage and fix the category (which erroneously lists it as a building, when in fact it is not "just a building" by definition of the location). I just did that for the Longstaff Building, and now I shall add it to the recon list. Keep on the lookout for any more of those "missing" NTs. --Mobius187 18:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "A.L.I.C.E."

The "tests" that you have to undertake. They're borrowed from aperturescience.com, am I right? --Private Mark 07:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes and no. The idea, yes. The questions, no. I did use the test's initial commentary just so people would recognize it. Also if you examine ALICE's comments some of those phrases may sound very familiar, but with appropriate twists so the context makes sense. Even so, not everything is presented with that one source in mind since some concepts have mixed origins, such as ALICE. She is part "Red Queen" (RE), part HAL (2001:ASO), and part GLaDOS (Portal). Of course the bottom line is it's all about having fun. ;) --Mobius187 12:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Cool. Was just curious is all, and the test was pretty fun. :D --Private Mark 00:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

There is some trouble over the talk page, especially over the OOC/IC part...some clarification would be appreciated --TerminalFailure 6:41, 3 Feb. 2008 (EST)

There is? I would have thought it would be hard for anyone to take ALICE seriously, but if there is trouble then I plan on putting the brakes on it. Never fear, I'll turn tragedy back into comedy (so to speak). ;) --Mobius187 12:46, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rhodenbank Status (My Talk)

I have replied (This is also my My Talk page, link above):

"Thanks, Mobius (for the complement) I think it's Revenant and Militant Order of Barhah. I will check what exactly the criteria for a dangerous suburb is after dinner. [Edit: Just read a External Military Radio Broadcast. "... reporting from Rhodenbank, I've got maybe seventy active ... a few big groups, but they're spread out ... several buildings with power ... serious collateral damage ... the Starr Building has lights on ..." --Tec7890 16:35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Update. It is hard to determine the safety of Rhodenbank, but in the south area with all the NTs, It is reasonably safe (and I would consider those blocks 'moderate'. --Tec7890 18:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)"

Split conversations are crazy to keep track of, so I'll drop by your Talk wikipage instead. Even so, I'm glad to hear that you're following up on these reports. I'm curious about the status of Rhodenbank and I hate it when anyone overstates, or understates, the threat to a suburb. People really need to back up ANY claims with links to iWitness reports or NecroNet scans (ala NecroWatch). --Mobius187 23:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay then, you might want to watchlist it. --Tec7890 23:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, Rhodenbank has been downgraded to Moderate. The scans are from The Carlyle Building and The Devonshire Building.

People should be able to rely on the UD Wiki for accurate information. So long as even one person reports accurately for each suburb then that should improve the state of information. Keep up the good work. --Mobius187 13:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply!

Yeah, I'll put it up on my page once I can think up Yabel's history. It's all spontaneous.-- AHLG T H 19:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Booo! -- AHLG T H 00:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Do I qualify for a Ghost Recon ribbon? (I had aquired a scan from the Peet Buidling earlier)-- AHLG T H 21:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, let's take a look shall we? Which suburb is it? Ah, Judgewood. Is Judgewood a "ghost town"? Check. Does it have 2 or more NT facilities? It has 3 of them, so check again. Did you report from all of them? Check. Well it all checks out perfectly, so you've earned the Ghost Recon ribbon. Congratulations and keep up the good work. --Mobius187 23:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Your group has breathed life into my characters again. -- AHLG T H 20:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear it. Of course Project NecroWatch wouldn't be what it is today without the help of people just like you. So keep up the good work and together we'll make NecroWatch even better in the months ahead. :) --Mobius187 21:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Expedition

I messaged you on the DA forum to inquire whether or not a diplomatic position was still open. My leave of absence from the Pescodside Defense Alliance was approved, and I'll be setting out on a journey across Malton to promote both the Dulston Alliance and Necrowatch on January 1st. If you could let me know about that diplomatic position, or how to go about getting it, it would be much appreciated. Also, I kind of shamelessly plagiarized your userpage template to use to my own devious ends. I'll switch around the colors and links a bit to differentiate it from your own, but thanks! --Ottari 20:35, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

You're asking how to become a diplomat for the Alliance? Simple, just make your intentions known in the Alliance Chat. I'm sure no one would disagree as people are hardly fighting for the job. Then all you need to do is approach groups you feel would be good allies. I recommend ones that are not too far away from the NE Corner, or who are mobile enough that they could come if asked. One important aspect when signing alliances is to explain all the details involved so they know exactly what they are agreeing to sign. For example, it was very important to inform the DEM that the Alliance did not follow the Rogues Gallery, and that in signing a treaty with the Alliance they would have to forgo hunting Alliance members who were on the RG (if only for that reason alone). The purpose was to resolve disputes diplomatically rather than through random violence.

Also, you are free to use my wikicode as you see fit. The UD Wiki is all about sharing ideas. I'm glad that you like my wikicode enough to be reusing it. Have fun. ;) --Mobius187 20:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year Mobius! I left a belated Christmas gift for you over on the Blackmore Building Necrowatch page. When I heard the building was in survivor hands, I ran all the way from Rolt Heights (with a fuel can in tow) to get it. It's current as of about forty minutes ago, and of course the most recent update to Ridleybank's suburb news doesn't look half bad either. Hope you enjoy it, because it will be the first of many. --Ottari^{NW DA PDA} 17:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas!

A nice Merry Christmas from meh, *hic*, and the rest of the Abandoned! *hic*. --Private Mark 22:07, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

And a Merry Christmas to you too. :D --Mobius187 22:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey Mobius

When uploading the NecroWatch scans into the system, could you please put categories on them at the same time? I usually put [[Category:Screenshots]]; [[Category:Maps]]; and [[Category:Stats]] onto the image page. It'll just help us to keep the images categorized. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me on my talk page. Thank you very much. --Ryiis 15:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Certainly. At this stage there are not too many scans, as some are still using placeholder "static". I'll confer with you on your Talk wikipage to find the best possible category for these images (perhaps even a new one...?). --Mobius187 15:44, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey, just left you a note on my talk page. I think you should use [[Category:NecroWatch]] and [[Category:Screenshots]] for future images that you upload. I went through and changed a bunch, but didn't get through the last little bit (I didn't want to spam Recent Changes too much). I'll try and help out a little later on today if I can to finish categorizing your images. Thanks --Ryiis 16:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

It would seem that you completed adding categories for all suburb NecroNet images from suburbs A-R, so I completed the final wikipage worth of scan images (S to Z). If I post any new scan images I'll be sure to include the proper categories. Of course I cannot speak for others, as anyone can post an updated scan image. What I will say though is that I will routinely check the images, looking for timestamps that post-date December 22nd in search of any new ones lacking these categories. --Mobius187 16:50, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Necronet

You and your NecroWatch scans... is Image:StyleBuildingNecronet.png taking forever to update or did I do something wrong again? -- AHLG T H 05:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Nope. It's 100% goodness as far as I can tell. Have you tried Refresh? I find that after I update a scan sometimes the image won't update until I hit Refresh. --Mobius187 06:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh. :) -- AHLG T H 06:22, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Have you categorized all the necronet images? -- AHLG T H 03:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, with the help of Ryiis (who apparently did most of the work). If you create any new images (i.e. for currently "missing" scans) be sure to include the NecroWatch and Screenshots categories for the image. --Mobius187 03:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Excuse me

I have noticed that since you were promoted five months ago you have done no admin work at all. I have started a discussion about it in A/D here. Id like for you to explain this curious lack of... y'know, serving the wiki and doing your job. Im also curious to find out what you intend to do about this situation. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 03:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My Work on Suburb Locations

Interested in my work on updating location wikipages? It's my hobby. Most of my work can be found in Dulston, then Pescodside, followed up by the group wikipages in those two suburbs. To some extent I've even made updates in Rhodenbank and Rolt Heights, but only minor ones. My goal is to have every location in the NE Corner with its own wikipage, and from there, hopefully other users will be inspired to add more in-game content (i.e. "Current News") that other players will find useful or at least add interesting historical value to the location.

[edit] Hey

Regarding this edit. Please don't remove the template from any location page unless the location doesn't appear on the list of Amusing Locations in Malton. If you feel that it doesn't belong on the list and that the template should be removed, you can put the location in question up for review on Talk:Amusing Locations in Malton. Thanks.--Nick? Support Project CP K THXBYE 07:56, 6 August 2008 (BST)

[edit] Quarlesbank NTs

Hello there, I just want to say thank you for your work on said NTs! It's really nice that you took the time to do them all and they really add some 'pazzaz' to the suburb. I'm actually a member of the group which runs The Elson Building so seeing the NTs nearby having such a wiki remake is really good. So yes I hope everything works out with your project, good luck and thank you once again! I'll try and update it whenever possible but i'm currently pre-occupied with other things. Still, thanks...again and I hope i have put this message in the right place! Acou stic P i e 20:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Yup this is the right place. As of a few days ago I completed similar updates for every NT location wikipage in Malton, so there isn't a single one that doesn't have the same level of content. I think that what I've done sets the stage for other users to step in and further improve those locations. If you have some free time, feel free to add further unique touches to the building's description, or adjust anything that requires further details specific to Quarlesbank or your group. As for the Elson Building, well, it's Christmas so I took the liberty of giving your location wikipage a little make-over to help spruce it up. I hope you like it. :) --Mobius187 17:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thank you very much and thank you for taking the time to do the make over! All of us in the building wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! And if your character is ever in the suburb, feel free to pop round to the building and say hello. =) I wish you well in all ther other projects that you do in the future and if you need a hand with any please don't feel afraid to ask. Acou stic P i e 17:29, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Necrotech Icons

Hi, thanks, I'm glad you like the icons. I'm flattered that you want to replace the old Necrotech image with the NT icon I made - but replacing them wiki-wide is a huge undertaking. It would save work and may be easier just to replace the old (current) NecroTech image with an updated one (with the same dimensions so as not to mess up any layouts or custom things), I have a half-assed attempt at making a "nice" replacement here but I can do better if you want to go down this route, otherwise sticking to the icon is fine but you may have to do each instance individually.--Sunil 22:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

It's certainly no bother for me to include your icon in every NT wikipage, as I'm in the midst of updating those wikipages regardless as part of Project NecroWatch. So far I've updated the NT wikipages for 20 suburbs, so just about 80 more to go. Keep up the great work. --Mobius187 23:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Location Pictures

Hey, I'm still amazed every time I stumble upon a location-page of "yours". Where do you take the pictures from and how do you edit them. The Troubridge Cinema for example. Is the announcement board in the original original or did you edit that? Again, your work is the reason why I decided to stay in Dulston in the first place. Compliments!-- [ ρsych°Lychεε ]^☼ T 10:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The location image for Troubridge Cinema was edited by me using Photoshop. There is no real Troubridge Cinema, but with the proper letters and editing I created one. Then I posted both versions, the one at the top meets my original scale, while the one on the right side was the original work I created prior to scaling/cropping. The animated "movies" were also created by me using a simple animated GIF application, some careful planning, and a fair bit of listening/writing to get those subtitles. Also, feel free to follow that link to watch "Night of the Living Dead" as a streamed video. It's perfectly legal as the movie has become public media (free to watch). I hope you continue to enjoy your stay in Dulston, but keep in mind that I also created most of the location wikipages for the surrounding suburbs too... so feel free to check them out as well and you may find a few other "interesting" locations. ;) --Mobius187 November 7 2007, 8:00 AM (EST)

[edit] Malton Rail

Hi. I've created a new page for the railway stations, under a company, named Malton Rail. But one very important thing is still missing: the story. Can you fill it in? (if you feel like it) Thanks for your creativity. :) -- goebi^{Lfs team} 13:41, 21 April 2007 (BST)

I'm always up for improving the UD Wiki. How long did you want the description to be? Did you want images (i.e. B&W old railroad, followed by newer ones)? If you do want photos did you want them at a particular size? My standard sizes are 450x290 for the main image (top) and 270x360 for in-text images. Also, is your plan to link to every railway station in every Malton suburb? If so you should be pleased to note that Rhodenbank, Dulston, Rolt Heights and Pescodside all have their railroad stations wikipages already created... by me. --Mobius187 April 21 2007, 8:56 AM (EST)

I've refreshed the Malton Rail page (but still under construction). I like your pages very much, with those pictures and descriptions. I've created the Malton Rail logo to put that on every Railway Station page (like police departments, fire stations, etc.), and a little description "These stations are remains of the extinct Malton Rail.". But seen your pages, i don't want to edit them. -- goebi^{Lfs team} 17:49, 21 April 2007 (BST)

I am currently working on a compromise. Feel free to check any of the Dulston railway stations to see what I mean. I think this is a mutually satisfactory solution. Of course I'm not a location description machine, so it may take me a bit to create unique descriptions for each railway station with the 4 suburbs I monitor. Of course any future railway station locations will include this in them. --Mobius187 April 22 2007, 9:54 AM (EST)

I like it. :) goebi^{Lfs team} 02:40, 23 April 2007 (BST)

Amazing! Nice work at Malton Rail page! Thank you. -- /// goebi^{TalkHelp/LFS/SR/NT/_{_MWP}} /// 13:48, 13 May 2007 (BST)

Thanks. I figured it could use some jazzing-up. The history is a bit thin, but I figured you needed just "something" there for now. I'll edit it some more later. I'm actually tempted to either a) break-up each of the 4 Malton railway areas in their own sub-pages, or b) just add-in "link back to top" for each section. I'm not sure which would be better at this stage. BTW, once I've added in a link to every railway station (whether its wikipage has been created or not) and suburb section, I'll organize the suburbs alphabetically within each "section" (i.e. Northeast Malton). Later I may actually go to the trouble to create the actual "Northwest Malton" and so on, wikipages so we can properly link each title to them. Of course I'm not doing all of this in one go, so feel free to step in at any time and make your own additions as it is your wikipage. --Mobius187 May 13 2007, 9:00 AM (EST)

[edit] Rolts - The Riddell Museum

Hey Mobius, thanks for adding the content to the pages(The Riddell Museum, Fanning Cinema, and Bromilow Library) I created a while back. The Museum has a collection of science exhibits, so my Scientist char uses it as a lab.(he also works the Hospitals and RP to the sw.. see my userpage) They're my first contributions to the wiki and kinda pet buildings.(of course I make no claim of ownership) Would you mind if I go back and touch some of it up? There are a few things in particular I'd like to do: move a little text to the top of the libraries page to fill the blank space, and reword some of the material. Thanks again for all your work, I greatly appreciate all your contributes.--Raystanwick 22:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I of course appreciate you asking me, but you have as much right to edit those wikipages as me. I have to admit I thought the descriptive text at the top was an interesting touch. In the past I've added the description provided in-game for certain buildings, but this was more than the usual 1-liners. So make whatever changes you like and I will also continue working on them too. Rest assured though, I do not delete content provided by other users, at most I edit, so you can rest assured the origins you placed for those buildings will stay "as is". The history for the library took on a "Cthulhu" turn in my last update, but I intend to limit that topic to the library only. Now I'm only in the initial stages of fixing-up Rolt Heights, but my past works include Dulston, Pescodside, and Rhodenbank (my last one, and still seeing some minor touches here and there). So by all means, have fun and add as much as you like to improve those locations. What you can expect to see from me are new images for the cinema and museum (450x290 standard). --Mobius187 March 24 2007, 7:09 PM (EST)

Hey! thanks for quick reply! I already have a pic for the cinema, if you don't mind. Check it out-

Cant' wait to see your pic for the Museum.(try to use a science center type structure if you would, please, since that was kind of the inspiration for that page) btw, I can't figure out how to make that link just a link instead of a picture, sorry. Thanks again!--Raystanwick 23:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I actually don't think there is a way to just point to an image via link in the wiki, then again I have been proven wrong before (on the matter of link colors). I'm fine with that image, per say, only that it's not the same format as I normally use (450x290). I hope you won't mind, but I intend to adjust it, as that way it will match the same dimensions as every other location image I've created (well except 2...but that's another story). --Mobius187 March 24 2007, 7:30 PM (EST)

cool. yeh, adjust the size to fit the standard. if your good with the photoshop stuff, add the name in somewhere. (I like the Cthulu graffiti on the library pic!) I have some other photos of Planetariums, Ominimax theatres, and stuff... I'll upload them later and link them on my talkpage. Thanks again!--Raystanwick 02:01, 25 March 2007 (BST)

Mobius, I initially mistook your 4/1/07 (Fool's Day) edits as pranks... you say this in the edit-note for the Library: "Moved image to top of page. Descriptions work better below images, as the text has a visual reference."

I assume this was intended for me and is what prompts me to write this post now. I didn't want to reply with a note in a counter-edit. I explained the following above and I thought we had an understanding - when this is done the whole top left of a page is BLANK. It looks UGLY. When someone first visits the page that is what they see. I know nothing about webdesign/whatever, but even I can see that that space is valuable and should be put to better use. I made the flavor texts just long enough specifically to complement the location block template on the right. If the pic fit into the top-left corner it would be different.(something to consider before settling on a standard pic size) ONCE AGAIN, let me state that I WILL adjust these pages so they look better- if you continue to remove my work I will seek official mediation. --Raystanwick 13:01, 3 April 2007 (BST)

Hey Raystanwick, let me begin by saying I didn't know you were taking this matter so seriously. You really want to bring a mod into this? Well I've asked one for his opinion, as I've worked with him in the past on updating entire suburbs. Before you think this is some kind of "heavy handed" approach by me let me state that I think there is no "who owns what" for these locations, and I think he will agree. In that regards, and in the best interests of keeping things civil, I am more than willing to let you switch my edits back to yours. No arguments from me. See? I admit I had intended to leave you a real message explaining why I had formatted the wikipage the way I had, but was distracted that weekend. Truthfully I cannot see the blank area you are referring to... what browser/resolution are you using, could that be the problem or am I misunderstanding the issue?

I already conceded that there is no ownership- I don't know why you mention this. and I don't want to revert your stuff- I just want you to stop doing it to mine. btw, TY for admitting that you intended to leave a message- if I had only known... BTW, I already said it may be the screen resolution... I said I'm using 8x6.(800x600) The PIC is placed BELOW the block template, with the text under that- leaving the whole top left half of the pages BLANK. The thing here is it's not my browser/resolution that's the problem... NOR is it your! It's that we're using different ones. AND that's a WHOLE NEW conversation there... does the wiki have a standard/suggested resolution? --Raystanwick 15:12, 3 April 2007 (BST)

Anywho, like I said, I hope we can work this out in a civilized manner rather than doing anything the other may regret. I for one regret causing you any annoyance as that was never my intention. My design for the locations is simply the same one I've used for every location wikipage in Dulston, Rhodenbank, Rolt Heights, and Pescodside. All of them. Of course if you want those 3 locations to be done your way, I would be greedy not to let you. After all you designed them originally. Anyway my goal is simple. I would like to work with you to find the best design. Mine is not the best, I would be a fool to think so, but it's an evolving design that will always seek improvement from what I learn myself and from others. Anyway, I'm at work right now and have meetings to attend to. I hope to speak with you on this matter further. --Mobius187 April 3 2007, 8:26 AM

It's not about "my way"... if all the pages have ugly blank spots at the top, why accept that? Why not make them look better? Like I said, maybe the pics fit in the top-left on your res... I think SCREEN RESOLUTION is the problem here...--Raystanwick 15:12, 3 April 2007 (BST)

I only have a 10 minute break and then I'm expected back at the meeting (a large one), so I'll make this quick. Would you please take a screenshot of the wikipage and post it for me? Also, use MS Paint to highlight the problem area. I want to investigate this further before I work on any other location wikipages, as the more locations I create the more it will be to go back and edit them all (currently that's a whopping 400 pages...). Let me know, I have to be getting back now. As I mentioned before I want to work with you to resolve this. I will not be making any further edits on those 3 locations until then. On a side note, I also wanted to possibly discuss a new image for the cinema, I had one on the weekend, but as you specifically provided the current one I didn't want to update it without discussing the matter first (consider that as proof that I really did want your input on aspects of design). --Mobius187 April 3 2007, 10:20 AM

Update - I finished my meeting and ran some tests. What browser are you using? I assume not IE, as IE is handling this differently on mine than it is on yours. Currently I use 1024x768 here at work, and an even higher resolution at home, so obviously the image size is not an issue for me. For a test I switched to 800x600 resolution, but as I expected IE "clips" the image behind the map template, rather than shunting it below the template due to lack of room (width). The only time I have ever seen something similar happen is when I use the "Right" or "Left" alignment properties of the Image tag. Hmmm. I will investigate and see whether I can find a property in the Image tag that will fix this problem on your browser. Obviously this problem is not just associated with your locations, but all 400 locations I have worked on and that's soemthing I need to address properly. I hate it when format gets screwed around by some unknown variable that I never know about. I will fix this or, if not, reduce the image sizes. If it comes to that 275x177 appears to fit. Urk, that's a far cry from 450x270. If it comes to that I may switch to a image that's taller than it is wider (360x175?). Anyway, first I'll investigate a solution. --Mobius187 April 3 2007, 12:33 PM

Update (Again) - I spotted your discussion on the library wikipage and addressed your concerns there. Feel free to check those out. --Mobius187 April 3 2007, 1:11 PM

Update (Again, Again) - I have tried the "None" alignment property for the image. While I doubt this will fix the problem, it is so far the only solid lead I have on a fix. All my efforts over the past hour to locate a solution on "auto-resizing" have only turned up dead ends. It appears the Wiki does not yet support such a feature, and even if it did I'm not sure that it could account for the template issue even if it did. I would still like to perform additional tests, but in order to do that I will need to know which browser you are using so I can install it and test it, as on IE I cannot determine if my actions have been successful. --Mobius187 April 3 2007, 2:19 PM

The differences in screen-res and browser are def causing the issue here. It's clear we both want the pages to look nice. I have posted a thorough reply in Talk:Bromilow Library; inc screen-caps of what I'm seeing with 800x600 in FireFox.--Raystanwick 19:13, 4 April 2007 (BST)

[edit] Grouped Location Pages

Hi Mobius, I like your work. Tireless and dedicated, you are. However, surely a grouped location page every now and then wouldn't hurt... all those wastelands in Rolt Heights for example... all the same, not likely to be expanded upon (unless someone makes on a revive point) -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 11:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey Boxy, this is a bit off-topic, but did you know that I created the Dead Animal thumbnail image that you still use today for the suburb listing? Just a fun fact. Also would ou care to validate claims that Dead Animals - Redux is sieging the Featherstone Library?

Now back to business. Hrmmm. As you've guessed I'm a strong "anti-merger" activist. To date I've only buckled on Street locations, as I created or finished most of the ones in the NE Corner to date. I will admit you have a solid case for Wastelands... and by extension Carparks. The key factor here being whether a location has the information and historical news to make it its own location. As you pointed out "revive points" automatically do that, although I would assume a historic battle could also create similar relevance... although to a limited degree. Really "Current Events" recorded for a location is the greatest factor in giving it its own location page. But I'm rambling and you did ask me a specific question. Sigh. Hrmmm. How about this, give me 1 month. If by April 15th I have not done anything good with wasteland or carpark location pages I will merge them into a single wikipage. But if in the meantime I do find a way to personalize them would you consider that a good enough reason to leave them as individual wikipages, or would you consider such efforts "frivolous" (i.e. adding additional images, historical descriptive comments) in light of more gameplay-oriented content? Let me know, as I'm hardly the boss of anything and I appreciate you coming to me first. --Mobius187 March 15 2007, 10:09 AM (EST)

Yeah, I did notice that it was you who made our thumbnail pic, a while ago. Thanks for that, that was way back in the old days, when the wiki was a big, scary place to visit ;)

On the locations stuff, I'm not trying to force you to merge them, or even expand upon them if you don't have a reason to. I just think that leaving them with minimum info on them, on a grouped page, and moving onto "more important" matters would be a better use of your valuable time and energy.

Realistically, people willing and able to create "up to code" locations pages with the consistancy that you do, are thin on the ground... I would just like to see you out there, creating building pages, rather than wasting time on multiple wasteland pages, when one (with redirects from the others) would do.

I know I'm a bit of a grouped location page fanatic... putting the bare minimum of content on them... but damn, there's a lot of "red links" out there to get through -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 15:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and BTW, DA/Redux is (mostly) off with the Mall Tour ATM... we will be back though, count on it ;) -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 15:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, now I understand. I agree that some locations hardly seem worth the time it take me to ceate them, but creating them satistifies my hunger for nice orderly location wikipages. When I first started working on location wikipages my goal was t create a seemless transit between locations, allowing users to literally travel across the suburb via the location map on each location wikipage. While merging locations does not detract from that some part of me always disliked the concept. As such, I was always willing to put in the extra effort it took to satisfy that need. That said, I do have location templates that I often use to speed things up, which in the case of wastelands is a simple cookie-cutter. In fact, the only real work I put into those location wikipages are their maps, which I would need to create for a merged wikipage, so as far as work effort it comes down to the same amount of time spent to be honest.

Building locations of course are my real interest, and over time I've developed likes and dislikes which have developed my style (or the "template" I use). For example at one time I evenly used 2 image scales for a location's image, 450x290 and 270x360. Later the second format fell out of favor with me and now I only use it for tower locations (for obvious reasons). Another style choice I made was using uniform designs for hospitals, fire stations, police departments, railway stations, and NecroTech buildings. Each uses the same building image, which I shaded B&W as an indicator of that fact, and the same headers/icons in their content. I felt that creating a uniform style among these locations promoted a greater sense of organization. The most recent change I'm considering is renaming "Building Status" to "Description". I mulled it over, and street revive points could hardly have their location description under "Building Status"... and now I'm thinking on conforming all the location pages to use the same header title. I did consider "Location History", but it seemed a bit wordy... what do you think?

As I mentioned above I've create two types of images for certain locations. Coloured unique image locations (i.e. buildings) and B&W cookie-cutter image locations (i.e. parks, NT buildings, wastelands, police stations, ect). But I should men