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(===Status Reports===)

Hello^^, I'm Gogomouse. I've been using the radio daily to inform anyone on 26.34. I had a neat idea to finally sign up with the wiki and update the status. I think you are the one that runs this page correct? I can give a daily report of the mall from here on out since you mentioned that nobody has given a report in two weeks. Soo.. with that said I still dont know how to change the happy face picture. ; ; Zombies are eating us but I dont know the numbers that are outside. The status pictures are very specific from x number to y number. How do I update it and how do I choose the correct one? - 1930hrs July 11, 2010.


Damn. The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 18:16, 29 March 2010 (BST)

Hey, it happens to everybody. No worries ;) --~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 18:17, 29 March 2010 (BST)

I was wondering if you could help me...

Right, so I'm bored at the moment. I don't really have much to do on the wiki, save the occasional orphaned page. So, I thought, what needs doing on the wiki? Location block demerging came to mind, and as a result, so did you.[/preamble]

Basically, I was wondering how one goes about demerging location blocks? I have nothing better to do, so I was just wondering, as I may set about doing some in my spare time.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 10:27, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Large Barricade Plan Template

Hello RED! Noticed some of the nice work you've done around the wiki and thought you might be able to lend a hand with something I've been playing with off and on in my sandbox for a while-- a large version of the barricade plan template. Not quite as big as the map you have in your sandbox, but similar in size requirements.

The idea was to take the individual barricade plans for a district in Malton and combine them into one nice table so you could get the ideal barricade situation for an entire district. Also tried to get it set up such that if the plan for a suburb changed, the district plan would automatically reflect that. Over the course of a couple months work and talking with Rooster, we got that much figured out. It still looks pretty rough though, so wondering if maybe you had thoughts on how to spruce it up so it looks nice and neat before implementation for all 20 districts of Malton. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 18:31, 26 September 2009 (BST)

My idea was to make one for each district. I think that one large barricade plan map for the entirety of Malton would be so large that most people would be unable to even view it. Adding the key to the bottom is easy, the problem I've been having is the sizing--as you might have noticed the different suburbs have differently sized tables. Later this week I'm hoping to play around with the height and width values in the suburb tables and see if that remedies the problem. Once I get a common size among those tables, then I can shrink the size of the district table a little bit. If you think of an easier way of doing it, let me know! --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 18:24, 28 September 2009 (BST)
I had noticed that many of the suburb barricade plans were not templated. I had to deal with that for the five suburbs I started with. It's honestly a rather minor fix, but certainly one that we will have to deal with once we get the design down and start applying it to the other districts. I'll toy around with some minor fixes to the suburb templates to see if that fixes the sizing problem, otherwise I'll contact DDR and see if she has any ideas. But I'll keep you in the loop if you're interested. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 01:58, 29 September 2009 (BST)

Re: Funny little history lesson

We refer to it as the Official Zombie Target List, since "Information" has too many syllables for us rotters. Official is even a problem sometimes :) But it's fun! See ya there. -- Grogh 01:21, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Promotion Bid

You've been promoted, congrats. Keep up the good work and don't let us down, padawan. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 00:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations. This Help:The NOT so secret diary of a sysop may be helpful. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Way to go redhawk. I think you'll do a great job. But hey you gotta fix this talk page it's too wide grrrr!--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 13:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah this page is shitty and who are you anyway? I don't recall seeing you on anything... xoxo 09:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Nice to see you too, Jed. :)--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 01:02, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey, since you're an 'op now, do you think you could link an email to it? Occasionally I send emails to other 'ops and if I need to send one to you I'd like to be able to. If you don't want to it's not big deal. Just a polite request. :) -- SA 18:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Congrats on the promotion and best of luck. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 07:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

confirmed groups

Hey RedHawkOne... I notice you're removing confirmed-group cat from loads of groups... What's all that about? Has the category being discarded? x --    : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 06:59, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Same query here, Extinction is confirmed on its discussion page. --Zeug 06:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
The category was deleted, so it was removed from everyone's pages. See A/D#Category:Confirmed Groups. Aichon 06:31, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
As Aichon said, it was deleted. I apoligize for any confusion that may have occured in the process.--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 06:32, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
If you guys check Recent Changes occasionally, you'd see I already answered him on his talk page. Which he'd most likely see first because of the fancy pants messages we get at the top. So I win!-- SA 06:35, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Also, I stole the letter that you stole from TF2. I'mma make a template of it sometime. \o/ -- SA 06:38, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
You know, Jed was just complaining about how my talk page was broken. Apparently from the template he put on it.
Jed, Jed, Jed...--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 06:40, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I asked you to modify it, not delete it. Now it looks like I didn't do my job by explaining it. :(

For posterity!:

Actually, you can do it with any long string of letters. Watch!

long string of lol to break his page

Ta da! The hyperbig just makes it easier. And more annoying. :B -- SA 06:44, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

So there! >:( -- SA 06:48, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


A case is being discussed If you wish to comment. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 12:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Scheduled deletion

Do you mean if they're the only author? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:29, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Well yes; assuming there are multiple authors or someone takes over the page, then it gets complicated and A/SD would sort out whether the others want it gone; the idea behind this is simply to ease the red tape on removing one-off flukes, never-got-off-the-runway groups, and other newer pages the author decides they don't want. That, and to address the apparent concern over inclusions being deleted.--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 22:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
That's what Crit 7 means, yeah? -- 22:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

UDWiki:Administration/Vandal Banning

You are a quick one, Red. Although I blame wiki hiccups and the computer at work. You nailed that gent on the Zerging page literally two minutes before A/VB finished loading for me. Well done, sir. Well done. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 08:41, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting the damage on the DHPD front page. Purple Cat ~ DHPD 08:36, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Just doing my job, pal. Thanks for the recognition :) --~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 05:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Massive rage! Not only did you ninja reporting him, but then you ninja wiping mine.-- 

Emot-argh.gif 02:12, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Can't very well have the same case twice, can we? ;) Besides, you missed Cyberbob's page in your report. --~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 02:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
This green makes me kinda hungry. The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 02:29, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


Hi,... I don't really know Thaed that well,... but I don't ever recall him having posted such personal information on his User mainspace like what can be seen in this revision.... and I agree that it seems fairly odd that he'd be blanking pages like that. I'm wondering if his account's been hacked, and if there is some way we could investigate that at all... what do you think? I'm going to hit up a couple other Sysop/Wiki Mod's on this too... so if you want to contact me via my talk page about it, or post in the relative subsection of my talk page, that would be cool.... -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 03:21, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Re:Location images

To big for your tiny monitor? I'll drop them to 400px, tell me if it still doesn't fit. --VVV RPGMBCWS 03:33, 3 May 2010 (BST)

VB - Cornholioo perma vote

Can you come weigh in on this? No real rush but it would be appreciated either way. -- Cheese 21:15, 6 August 2010 (BST)

Other Stuff


Pwetty Signature

Thanks for that! I'd been trying to figure that one out for a while... --Dawkins DAWKINS IS WATCHIN' [T][P!][W!][] is currently: having his arm torn off by a zombie. 22:43, 22 July 2010 (BST)

Wasteland 5, 99 I like what you've done with the place. --Visible One 04:34, 3 May 2010 (BST)

Location Categories

Heyo. Hope you don't mind me spamminating up your talk page a little bit. I posed a question here, and I wonder if you might register an opinion there, if you have one. If not, no biggie. =P --GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 01:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Mayday Mayday

Come in redhawk one, blackhawk dooooooooowwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn *booooM* {{hyperbig|PIKAWWWWW}} xoxo 09:50, 20 October 2009 (BST)

I feel this would be as good a time as ever to try out those form letters I ordered. Hhmm, now let's see...

1600 Main Street
Nowhere, Kansas 12345

02:47, 21 October 2009 (BST)
(xDEAR/_WTF,) Jed,

(_THANK YOU/xBLAST YOU) for your comment, which I thoroughly (_ENJOYED/xDISREGARDED). It makes me (_HAPPY/xANGRY) to know that people like yourself are so (_NICE/xCRAZY) as to put such wonderful (xWORDS/_GARBAGE) on:

My talk page




~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease




Ever going to reply to my question on your promotion bid? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:44, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I dont like

your talk page. but you're allllllllllllright. xoxo 06:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

What's not to be liked (besides the form letter)?--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 06:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
netcafe comps have low rez so its like 5 times too wide. xoxo 06:53, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
So it's the form letter. Blame my 24" monitor; I'll see about fixing that up.--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 06:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

It's to contrasting with your sig. It burns my eyes.


For the sake of not brushing on the fine line of impersonation, why not make the *'s for the Question points become #'s for the sake of replying to each one individually easier? --

05:27, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks for the suggestion.--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 05:40, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Alright, cool. I'll join in the discussion within the day. -- 05:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
If it's just a minor spelling, grammatical, or functional error like that, I have no problem with people proofreading my work. Don't worry about it! :) --~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 05:51, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Free Food

Cookie.jpg A FREE COOKIE
TripleU has given Red Hawk One a cookie for participating in the HIStory Past Present and Future Volume III, updating droves of danger reports, and being very geographically minded

I would of done this earlier if I wasn't upset about you always updating my danger reports. --VVV RPGMBCWS 05:47, 2 May 2010 (BST)


On the unused images, how about current numbers 1, 2, and 3? I fail to see why they weren't deleted too.... - Poodle of Doom 20:39, 5 July 2010 (BST)

Help:Ghost Pages ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 20:41, 5 July 2010 (BST)
Cool, I had no clue... Thank you! - Poodle of Doom 20:45, 5 July 2010 (BST)


The Lexicon is starting on Monday the 19th. You are a confirmed user. --RahrahCome join the #party!07:49, 13 October 2009 (BST)

Erotic Sleep Patterns

That my friend, is so the article I'm writing for round 2. I really liked your writing, Is the doctor going to make a reappearance? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:26, 20 October 2009 (BST)

Round 2

Make your own article. :) --RahrahCome join the #party!17:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


necrowatch blindspot

Thanks for the encouragement. I was starting to use necrowatch a lot in the past week because eastern Rhodenbank is just a mess with the zombie incursion from Dulston and it became a matter of habit that I check necrowatch to scout ahead. I figured I might as well update the buildings that I travel through too to help other survivors. Nothing is more frustrating than seeing on the wiki that the building is "safe" a week ago then free-running with your last AP into a ruined building with 10 active zombies Oo. I will probably hang around Rhodenbank area or within one suburb radius for the near future ... see you around OO Willie 10:55, 21 October 2009 (GMT+8)

Update - I got your informative broadcast today and I just scrounged a gen and fuel can in Earletown . Originally I am going to get back to st alfred's to power it up but if eastern rhodenbank needs it I can be there in 12hrs as I tapped out my APs looking for that gen (-_-). --OO Willie 04:08, 22 October 2009 (BST)
Update - Oh ok, sometimes I forget to add the sig. I'll probably wind my way slowly back to east rhodenbank to pick up more fuel, gen and medkits. Do you know if pullinger repair shop in Earletown is still up? Last time I was there is 10-11 days ago and it was okay.--OO Willie 04:08, 22 October 2009 (BST)

Whitlock building in Dulston just became my grave ... I was dumb to stay alone in strategic buildings inside a hot zone and Dead Animal parachuted in and lit me up like a christmas tree before proceeding to turn the building into a pinata. He have since reverted to his zombie status and we are still inside the building ... may just annoy him by smashing down the barricades before leaving for a revive point in Rhodenbank. --OO Willie 13:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Just got an update from Lazerwolf, looks like Rhodenbank is gutted like a fish. Hope you made it out okay. I am currently in Rolt Heights around Lovell auto repair and St Hermann hospital. I got 3 revive syringes, 10 medkits and a fuel can. I am probably going to head to the factory and police station @ southwestern part of Rolt Heights to scrounge for a generator and ammo before heading to the suburbs that the MOB just smashed to rebuild. See you around --OO Willie 12:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

a naked man

Yes, it's him. So the racist troll is spamming Santlerville radio from Rhodenbank. How brave. Feel free to blow his head off until he shuts up/runs away/quits the game for good. I've heard someone said he was leaving the game because of all those racist remarks. The troll must pay for that.

By the way, another racist accomplice of his (or maybe even his alt) is Jack Heins, here. This is one broadcast I heard myself. He doesn't only spam the radio, but also the Wiki as well. And he is blocked indefinitely for that. Santlerville, and ultimately Malton, would be better without those two.

P.S. I'm starting to think my updates to the Great Radio Messages have been spams and insults a lot lately. Perhaps I am too easily amused, or too fond of dark humor and sarcasm. And as a result, my entries aren't that "great." What do you think about them? -- Kittithaj 21:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I see. Looks like it's time to raise my standard a bit on what's funny and what's stupid. The Radio Jihad in particular is being dragged out too long, it gets repetitive. And people of Santlerville seem to think of the same thing. Time to let go of that one.
P.S. You should do something with all the page stretching. -- Kittithaj 20:42, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


Pretty Plez? My threats may be poorly thought out, but that doesn't mean you can't feel threatened by them. Just casually lay it down. We're all friends here. There's no need to make this any bigger than it needs to be. We're both already on a crusade, just do as the nice man asks and neither of us will have to go on a massive search and destroy mission spanning months due to Malton's size. We can be friends. I have cookies. --VVV RPGMBCWS 08:02, 18 July 2010 (BST)

Darn it Red, where are you hiding? --VVV RPGMBCWS 23:32, 6 August 2010 (BST)
I dropped the package in my old office. If it's not there anymore, then someone beat you to the punch. Anyways, now that the event's over, I'm off on a tour. Just pick a big-name group and follow 'em around. You'll find me there. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 23:39, 6 August 2010 (BST)

Congratulations <<Subject Name>>!

A.L.I.C.E. - NecroNet 2.0
Forms FORM-29827281-12:
Test Assessment Report

This was a triumph.
I'm making a note here:
It's hard to overstate
my satisfaction.
NecroTech Industries
We do what we must
because we can.
For the good of all of us.
Except the ones who are dead.

But there's no sense crying
over every mistake
You just keep on trying
till you run out of cake.
And the Science gets done.
And the scanning is fun.
For the people who are
still alive.


Cake.png OMFG! CAKE! W00T!
Red Hawk One has reported over 150 NecroNet scans, and in doing so, proven their absolute dedication to NecroWatch. Red Hawk One has been rewarded with cake that is delicious and moist.

I live by my motto, "better late than never", so congratulations already! A.L.I.C.E. has obviously granted you authorization to officially display this template with honor. You have done us proud NecroTechnician. Good job. --Mobius 17:31, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Alphabetti Spaghetti

R before S, except after C? :P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 18:57, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't follow.--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 18:58, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Surely Rosslessness comes before Suicidalangel? :P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Ugh.--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 19:01, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
:D --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:02, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
I get the feeling others use that resource page more than I do.--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 19:03, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Why do you not post in our spam forum anymore? :( --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
I've been busy the past couple of weeks, and the only "spam forum" thread I ever see active is thet silly riddle one.--~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 23:00, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Damn riddles. R'i'p turned it in to a farce. But yeah, the others are still active now and again. You used to be on Guess who posts next as much as me... But times change. :( Damn you busy lives, damn you!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


No --Sonny Corleone DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n 06:40, 26 April 2010 (BST)


User:Red Hawk One/Sandbox 4. What's the story? -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 04:27, 28 April 2010 (BST)

Well, I was thinking of trying to reorder the categorization of location pages by suburb or district, but it looks like the categories are tied in through the info and locationblock templates. I'm testing changing up the variables in the templates so that, say, the Parks Building would be put in a Category:Rhodenbank Buildings category instead of seperate Category:Rhodenbank and Category:Buildings categories. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 04:32, 28 April 2010 (BST)
That's...a lot of categories. Tis a shame wiki software totally isn't a database. Would be able to just get the results as the intersection of Rhodenbank and Office Buildings. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 04:38, 28 April 2010 (BST)
I know... Right now I see a possible way to work it out (change the category in Template:Locationblock to [[Category:{{{suburb}}} {{{location_color}}}]] and delete the category from the Info templete), but that leaves the slight problem of the {{{location_color}}} variable being singular. Any way of fixing it would involve alot of tedious page edits. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 04:44, 28 April 2010 (BST)
The reason the categories were put on the info bits in the first place was to address the plural problem. Although I think you could use a switch to get it to work. That said, I'm partial to the separate categories myself. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 04:51, 28 April 2010 (BST)
My idea was more to sub-categorize than to do away with the old categories. All the same, the work it would take is really starting to overcome my OCD. :/ ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 04:57, 28 April 2010 (BST)
100 suburb pages are too much effort, let alone 10,000 locations :P -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 05:00, 28 April 2010 (BST)
If I ever get reeeeeaaaly bored and try to carry through with this, could I borrow a few of your bots? O=) ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 05:06, 28 April 2010 (BST)
If you can win some support. I'd hate to have to undo 10,000 edits. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 05:09, 28 April 2010 (BST)

Your next Re-evaulation

Is on the same day as the bureaucrat elections. Weird huh?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:47, 2 June 2010 (BST)

Hmmm... Best not to get any ideas. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 22:37, 2 June 2010 (BST)
This could lead to several revolutionary paradoxes. That and pudding. Pudding is always a possibility.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:45, 2 June 2010 (BST)

Where are you?

You have vanished...--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:32, 23 June 2010 (BST)

Checkuser him. He's actually me. The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 21:38, 23 June 2010 (BST)
I checked anyway, but I knew he wasn't, because I've checked you before. :P --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:39, 23 June 2010 (BST)
Also he's Maps. The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 21:45, 23 June 2010 (BST)
That had crossed my mind, but I have evidence of Red Hawk pre-dating the existence of Maps.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:48, 23 June 2010 (BST)
Pre-existing and co-existing. The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 21:56, 23 June 2010 (BST)
Contemporary Checkuser scans showed Maps was not anybody else at the time. Don't try to out-Maps conspiracy me!--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:58, 23 June 2010 (BST)
Proxies! The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 22:14, 23 June 2010 (BST)
Dude, go to A/SD, I proposed something earlier. Make yourself useful and nom it. Also, read my new campaign speech... :D --Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:22, 23 June 2010 (BST)
Maps is as we all know really duke garland, who was in reality dux dulsis, who was an alt of grim, who was technically amazing, and in himself User:God. or User:Xela798 --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 23:19, 23 June 2010 (BST)
hang on go slower The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 23:43, 23 June 2010 (BST)
Mis and I covered this in IRC a few weeks back. I was clearly quite possibly Maps. Or not possibly clearly, depending on how you look at it. Aichon 12:18, 24 June 2010 (BST)
We all know that all of us sysops are really just Izzy's alts. The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 13:24, 24 June 2010 (BST)
Apart from DDR, who is most definitely Maps. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:35, 24 June 2010 (BST)

Tally Ho, Watson!

Just a theory here, but... Red Hawk turns up for the first time in late 2008, shortly after the history purge. He immediately jumps in to Danger Report and suburb news updates, making none of the tell-tale newb errors. He "creates" a group, but the only reference to it is a template, and no actual group page was ever created. The Group, BLU, is no longer referenced anywhere in the entireity of the wiki. He later writes off the group and joins RCDC.

During hsi time on the wiki, he rapidly discovers the BIC, works on it tirelessly, and takes on the ultimate project, demergign all merged location pages. This task was finally achieved on 13th June 2010. Three days later, Red makes his last edits to UDwiki, and on the 19th, he visits the dulston alliance forums for the final time, my last recorded instance of him. My conclusion; Red Hawk One was an experienced Wiki-User, and was created for the sole purpose of upgrading the Building Information Centre.

That leaves the ultimate question; If Red Hawk wasn't just a random user, who was he? I have an answer to that too. Vantar vanished from Urban Dead towards mid-2008, and his final edits in september are only a month before the Red Hawk One urban dead account is made. Then, less than a month ago, Vantar returns to UDwiki with no adequate explanation. The reason is that he's been operating udner the alias of Red Hawk One the entire time, and never left. If the timings weren't good enough, what does Vantar do when he returns to the wiki? He finishes Red's ultimate project, essentially writing off the need for the account.

The facts match, the dates match, and, to a large extent, the mannerisms match. The only question is, will checkuser match? I shall now go, accompanied by any sysops who wish to join me, to checkuser to see if my theory is true.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:15, 28 June 2010 (BST)

Sysops who check, the truth must never be revealed.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:23, 28 June 2010 (BST)
I think you're too paranoid. *goes to check anyway* Aichon 00:45, 28 June 2010 (BST)
If his IP doesn't show up, I checkusered him a few days ago, so It'll still be there if you check the logs.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:54, 28 June 2010 (BST)
Hm...This must be basis for a conspiracy...I'll make sure to leave some Mudkips around to keep an eye on you SysOps... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 00:50, 28 June 2010 (BST)
Your sig needs a transparent background. 01:40, 28 June 2010 (BST)
So I'm gone for one week (okay, eleven days) on a road trip, and I'm suddenly... wait, what? ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 04:07, 29 June 2010 (BST)
Maps. The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 04:09, 29 June 2010 (BST)
You're one of the regulars. If I was gone for a day, I'd expect a conspiracy when i got back.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 14:18, 29 June 2010 (BST)
Just accept it as love, RHO. It means if you leave again, somebody is going to create an ASCII homage to a fake image of your to adorn your talk page because it will be assumed that you have been eaten by interweb demons and found total oneness with the UDwiki. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 09:53, 30 June 2010 (BST)
Need a project? Red links, featured articles, or maybe some policy stuff? The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 20:41, 11 July 2010 (BST)
He should do featured. We need a good FA system, and Red is the man for the job.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:43, 11 July 2010 (BST)
You know, I actually was working on FA for a while, but then Izzy, who had it out for me for some reason, gummed up the whole process.
Now that the prick's gone, I might actually be able to finish. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 20:47, 11 July 2010 (BST)
Izzy had it out for everybody.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:49, 11 July 2010 (BST)
True, but I still had the feeling i was one of his favorite targets. But I digress. I'll post my proposition on the FA talk page is a little bit. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 20:51, 11 July 2010 (BST)
Nice, we need a good system, and what I saw of yours on your proposed main page was stellar.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:53, 11 July 2010 (BST)
I'm more or less suggesting that system, the only difference is that I'm replacing the DYK with the current Community Portal template. Or should the DYK stay? ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 20:55, 11 July 2010 (BST)
I like the way it is in your Sandbox 2 at the moment.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:59, 11 July 2010 (BST)
Yeah, the old version with the did you know looked a bit clunky. This one looks really nice and aesthetically pleasing.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:01, 11 July 2010 (BST)

You're up

A/RE--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 00:13, 15 July 2010 (BST)

Man, I thought you hadn't told him and I was gonna get in your grill for it. DW. I'll add to main page now. -- 03:49, 15 July 2010 (BST)

User:Misanthropy/The Barhah

The deadline for the contest has ended, you are now invited to choose your favourite entry and help determine the winner. The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new 01:14, 26 July 2010 (BST)

Sysop input requested

There's a sysop-only vote taking place, and we haven't heard from you yet. Check here. Aichon 20:23, 9 August 2010 (BST)

Once again, input would be appreciated, even if you just abstain.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 00:09, 12 August 2010 (BST)

Blackmore siege

I have the final end time and date of the Blackmore siege and a more or less complete guest book of survivor participants organized by group. Let me know when and where you would like them posted.

--Albert Schwan Albert Schwan  21:38, 31 August 2010 (BST)

apparently people just press + here

hey. I'm gonna keep it as "survivors" i think. I dont know, I just think it honestly seems much better, is that weird? -- LEMON #1 07:22, 9 September 2010 (BST)

The formatting seems a little odd, what with "Survivors" appearing a whole line below the description. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 07:23, 9 September 2010 (BST)
I don't get it, maybe I'm seeing it differently :/ it just looks like normal battle template to me, and "survivors v zombies" just makes more sense than "survivor v zombies" imo. -- LEMON #1 07:26, 9 September 2010 (BST)
Wait... Does the 'War" template use a set pixel or percentage width value? ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 07:28, 9 September 2010 (BST)
Kinda odd; the page appears like this on my laptop. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 07:37, 9 September 2010 (BST)
That's how it looks on mine, I think it looks fine :( -- LEMON #1 09:02, 9 September 2010 (BST)
He's right, it looks borked. I think so nbsp-ification may be in order. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 19:14, 9 September 2010 (BST)
I don't really see that problem on my computer.--Umbrella-White.pngThadeous OakleyUmbrella-White.png 19:29, 9 September 2010 (BST)


You interview every major part of the Blackmore siege but me. I see how it is. You don't think I'm important or a major role.

Or I actually wasn't

Either way, good job.--—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Justinbronze (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.

You weren't available when I was doing the interviews. Coincidentally, I've had an open prompt on the talk page for around a week- that's how Agent Sandman got on the page. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 01:41, 10 September 2010 (BST)


How would you like to participate in a somewhat unique wiki project? One thing I have always wanted to do is for a given event, is to have two different versions of that event: a survivor POV and a zombie POV version. Blackmore: 4(04) would be a great test case. The way it would work is the main link to the event would use the currenthour magic word. We would make 24 redirects. Even hours would go to a survivor version page; odd hours would goto the zombie version page. Both pages would have cross-references to the other one. Perhaps a template at the top saying it is a zombie/survivor version and if you want the other one, go here.

A poorman's version of using currenthour as a random variable is my userpage, which pulls different images depending on the hour visited. Unless you know of a different way to have a random variable?

Anyways, we have the basic framework of a more zombie-centric POV for Blackmore:4(04) somewhat ready to go. To keep the styles consistent, we will probably use the same WAR nav-sidebar you are using, as well as the interviews at the bottom (which are solid btw), if that is ok with you.

Is this something that would interest you?

-MHSstaff 05:38, 10 September 2010 (BST)

Given the fact that the page is currently in the middle of a vote right now, I'm somewhat lenient to make a major change to the contents. All the same, your idea does strike me as rather interesting.. Could you provide a mock-up in a sandbox page? ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 05:56, 10 September 2010 (BST)
I am guessing that you mean reluctant instead of lenient. Anyways, the general framework and tone will be something like this rough example here. Images and what not will still have to be added. It will actually be a completely different page in addition to yours. My idea is that the main link uses the currenthour to link to a redirect, which depending on the time, goes to either the survivor page or the zombie one.Both pages would have links at the top to the other. Mine right now is in text but it would probably be some form of template cross-link. - MHSstaff 06:37, 10 September 2010 (BST)
I'm afraid that, with the tone you're taking, you'd be best off creating your own separate account. I've done my best to create as factual and respectful of an account as I can based on the information people provided (and are still able to provide); quite frankly, I find your tone to be rather insulting to the survivor side of the fight.
If you have additional information, discrepancies that need to be corrected, and/or screenshots, by all means, Post them on the talk page so I can address them. Otherwise, I'm afraid I'd have to decline using your parody page.~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 06:56, 10 September 2010 (BST)
Sorry to have wasted your time. -MHSstaff 07:01, 10 September 2010 (BST)
Tone, in general, is fairly easy to fix and adjust. I wanted to go with something a little lighter to make it a more interesting read from a zombie-POV. If you believe that there are things that you feel are insulting, they can be very easily changed; there really was no intent/desire to insult anyone btw. If you actually like the general idea (zombie/survivor versions), something could probably be worked out. So. Yeah. There you go. -MHSstaff 07:36, 10 September 2010 (BST)
The other possibility, would be a neutral, facts-only POV page (yours with some very minor changes), a heavily-biased zombie page (ours), and a heavily-biased survivor page. All three would share cross-links. I guess it would be best if the main-link would go to the neutral-POV page. Alternatively, we could divide the day into thirds, and have 1/3 of the current hour redirects go to a different version. Another thought. -MHSstaff 07:45, 10 September 2010 (BST)
I'm not particularly interested in intentionally biased versions. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 07:52, 10 September 2010 (BST)
While I do think it would be an interesting experiment, RHO is right in saying that we shouldn't be pursuing biased versions for this event. Events are supposed to be NPOV, though they don't need to be sterile. I think that the page, as it is, can be modified a bit to be acceptable to almost everyone involved without losing its personality and charm. Aichon 09:58, 10 September 2010 (BST)
I do agree that there has to be a NPOV version of this somewhere, that version should be as close to the truth as possible, and that version should be the main focus/link of readers trying to find the page. I still think that something like this could work, as it basically lets you have your cake and eat it too. The main page would be NPOV for readers who are into the true,factual, here-is-how-it-happened history, with offshoot POV pages offering content from different POVs for readers looking for something different. As far as the argument that events have to be NPOV, the reality is that not only is there a clear, established precedent for things like this, the community has basically rewarded such approaches. -MHSstaff 17:10, 10 September 2010 (BST)

Blackmore 4(04)

While I appreciate your gusto in fixing up some of the neutrality flaws on the page, could you maybe suggest your changes on the talk page instead of just throwing them on? You kinda took out a few chunks that I feel were kinda important. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 05:15, 11 September 2010 (BST)

I never thought I'd have to don knightly armor upon my gnomish body, but for the defense of the mighty pillars, I shall! Dragon! Mighty as you may be, thou shalt not hold the land in thine scaly grasp! --VVV RPGMBCWS 05:43, 11 September 2010 (BST)

On a more positive note...

Cookie.jpg A FREE COOKIE
Red Hawk has given TripleU a cookie for fixing all the grammar and mechanics errors in Blackmore 4(04).

Thanks. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 05:38, 11 September 2010 (BST)

Nevermind, I take bribes. --VVV RPGMBCWS 05:45, 11 September 2010 (BST)
I don't like the clairvoyant iwitness, as its by a random, and was undoubtably referring to ploianark and not 404. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:58, 11 September 2010 (BST)

BIC Change/Addition for Ridleybank

Added this since I found I was doing the math for it anyways, so as to spend as little AP on keeping the BIC for the 'bonk updated. What do you think? I do need to redo the math since I left out a TRP there (rolls eyes, so much for having a B.Sc. Math), but it shouldn't be a big issue. -Wulfenbach 12:02, 14 September 2010 (BST)

Looks like pretty good idea; given the suburb's history I could see a clever feral watchdog or barricade strafer finding something like this useful. The only problem (other than the apparent math error) is that the map is rather bare- I'd consider including a map key, labeling the blocks, or overlaying it on top of an existing map (as was done here). ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 02:04, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Damnit, the reload's not displaying the new image. Can you set the current file RidelybankTRPPath.png up for deletion with all it's old copies? I'll just load a new one under a different name. - Wulfenbach 05:32, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Well, I'm confused now. Re-uploading the changed image presented the original unchanged image to me, but the updated version was displaying correctly in the appropriate place. Do the imape files only present the original file then by default, and you have to leap through some sort of hoop I don;t know about to see the current version? Anyways, the new file's loaded (Image:RidleybankTRPMap.PNG) and dropped into the appropriate linky on the page. You might as well kill the older one (Image:RidleybankTRPPath.PNG), if you would be so kind.
As for your suggestion about adding a map key, I did look at your example page. I'll consider doing so, but a far simpler one, since I found that Rhodenbank one to be VERY cluttered and difficult to read (although very pretty). Maybe just a NESW compass indicator, since I would think that people are capable enough to orient themselves with that at minimum. I should also go sample the colours on the main maps and use those, since the colour association may prove to be sufficient. Thanks for the advice. -Wulfenbach 05:43, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Ummm... So far as the re-uploading goes, you have to refresh your browser before the new version shows up. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 06:28, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Caught that just prior to this (insert embarrassed throat clearing noise here). "No officer, I haven't been drinking while on the Information Superhighway." -Wulfenbach 06:38, 15 September 2010 (BST)

Traveling Zombie Problem

Wulfenbach, I hate you.

That's a traveling salesman problem I see there. It's NP-Complete, ya know, and did you also notice that your path takes 28AP, when it says it takes 27AP? Because of that one little mistake, I took an interest in finding a shorter path. One thing led to another, and next thing I knew, I had lost a few hours and written a program to brute force a solution for the shortest path. It ended up being a waste of time, since all of the paths it found were ones I found on my own before writing the program, but the best it found is 27AP, which basically just amounts to uncrossing those paths you crossed. I also ran it for if you took out the phone mast as a point to go through, and it found one that takes 26AP, which I had already found on my own as well.

So, basically, I just wasted a few hours programming something that only managed to find paths I had already found on my own. The good news, however, is that it could be used to find other routes in other places in the future. The bad news is that the problem is NP-Complete, so brute forcing it takes a ridiculous amount of time, relative to the number of points. 14 TRPs only took around 3-5 minutes to solve, while 15 took 20-25 minutes. I shudder to think how long it would take to solve 16 or more. Regardless, I hate you for putting Computer Science crack on the wiki, especially so since the program can be improved upon in order to make it run more quickly (e.g. it's an easy problem to multithread or approach heuristically, neither of which I bothered with right now), which only fuels the addiction. I wouldn't be surprised if I come back to it in a day or two to make modifications to it, and it's all your fault. Aichon 07:31, 15 September 2010 (BST)

( Yes, the classic Traveling Salesman problem, a fun and rewarding concept in graph theory too! Current path comes to 30 AP inclusive, and I was doing it by hand on paper. Fie on your electrons! What's the path you found? Post it to my talk page, I'll go make the mods to the pic and update it (so that we're not spamming up Hawk's page much more on this topic).-Wulfenbach 07:42, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Hey, I'm the janitor Op- I've gotten messages based on this whole Blackmore thing in the past week than I have in a year. I'm kinda liking the attention. =P ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 07:45, 15 September 2010 (BST)
That's 30AP to include the FS? I haven't computed that one yet, since FSes aren't considered TRPs any longer (they should really be removed from the BIC, I think), but I can get it cranking anyway, since it'll probably take my computer quite a few hours to reach a final solution and it has nothing better to do anyway (it's already found a 30AP solution and is still going after only about 5 minutes of running). As for the 27AP path, you actually already made the necessary corrections. Your earlier image had a path which crossed itself at one point and took 28AP, despite what the text said. Your current image is fine, however. You'd only need to remove the FS again to have the 27AP solution. Aichon 07:57, 15 September 2010 (BST)
2 hours at a Tim Horton's, over two donuts and a XL Steeped Tea (2C/1S) nets a result a computer can calculate in 15 minutes. "Drhurr, I haz munberz! I am kalkumunputer! So effishunz!" Yes, pen and paper, retarding the Green movement since 105AD China. If FS's are not TRPs anymore, then I will strip it and redo the image. Easy enough, since the base image has no paths on it (forethought, it's a good thing) -Wulfenbach 08:06, 15 September 2010 (BST)
The computer may be able to calculate it that quickly, but it still took me quite a few hours to tell it how to do it, most of which were spent on fixing inane bugs (e.g. "What the hell? The path length looks on par with what I expect but the path it suggests doubles back on itself 6 times and takes 54AP!" or "How come it never goes to the factory at 52,41?"). Yay for deciding to fool around with recursive programming for fun after not having done it seriously in a few years. Aichon 08:22, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Oddly enough, a similar thought crossed my mind. The thought process over those two hours was roughly: "How do I do this again? Do I butcher OSPF, or maybe calculate the average distance between every point and a chosen point, then do so for each point? No, wait, skip average, base sum of all paths connected to a point will do. what? Ummm...start with point with highest value, then move to next highest and so on? Err, well, that's one value for a shortest path value (41). Maybe from largest, but move away from it as fast as possible with the lowest cost on each move. Yeah, that gets me a much lower value 927). Is it the lowest though? Crud, how do I determine that? Maybe average path value summed over all points? No, too large (59). Umm, umm...crud, out of tea error, GPF: Insufficent Resources, entering sleep mode." -Wulfenbach 08:30, 15 September 2010 (BST)
See, for me it wasn't even a question of how to solve it (when brute forcing it simply, all I do is going through every permutation in sequence, and cut off a branch of permutation if it exceeds the minimum path I've found up to that point, since it's a waste of resources to pursue it if the graph has no edges with negative length). Questions like yours basically come back to heuristics and the like for me, which I chose to avoid, since I wanted a complete solution, rather than a best guess from the computer. If the problem was sufficiently more difficult however (say, dozens of nodes), then I'd toss in some simple heuristics (e.g. select closest neighbors first) in order to promote better answers earlier in the program execution, that way I could get a decent answer and then end the execution early. Also, it's still running and hasn't come up with anything better than 30AP yet. Yay for exponential growth in program complexity! Aichon 09:10, 15 September 2010 (BST)
It finished running at some point during the night and said that 30AP was the best it could find. Aichon 06:16, 16 September 2010 (BST)

I dunno the rules about data gathering for each suburb BIC, but what if I just wanted to know the power/ruin status of those TRPs? It would be interesting to find out what is the shortest path for that. --Aeon17x 08:34, 15 September 2010 (BST)

Well, the point of this pathing was to give people the best path for AP cost to check all the TRP buildings in Ridleybank. Following it would give you (from external inspection only) whether or not the buildings are powered and/or barricaded. If you wanted ruin status, well you'd have to go into each. 15 buildings would need 15 more AP to enter each one separately, but I recall working out that with free running you could use just 4 or 5 AP to do the same. -Wulfenbach 08:41, 15 September 2010 (BST)
I was thinking you shouldn't even have to go in front of the building to find out the power and ruin status. You just have to be able to see them in your 3x3 map overview. You won't be able to see the exact cade level though, I suppose you still have to go in front of the building yourself for the designated entry points. --Aeon17x 08:47, 15 September 2010 (BST)
It would be 17AP or less to just see them on the minimap (I found a 17AP route in about one minute of thinking, so it's definitely that or less). It'd take quite a bit of reworking my program in order to solve this problem, so I'm probably not going to rework it to solve this version of the problem, but 17AP is a good starting number to see if you can come up with a better one. Aichon 09:10, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Just with a few minutes work (Starting Camidge Drive: -> Gaskell Lane -> Snooke Towers -> Mesney Museum -> Nother Plaza -> Camidge Drive): 16 AP. -Wulfenbach 09:28, 15 September 2010 (BST)
As Wulf, I came up with a 16 AP route for Ridleybank too. Anyway I'm glad you're interested in this little experiment... I just thought it would be nice to find out whether it's possible to scout a suburb with a level 1 zombie that is regularly killed every day. If the suburb TRPs power/ruin status can be scouted within 16 moves (32 AP for a level 1 zombie), then even if they get headshot every day (15 AP) they can complete the scouting run on their own. Just curious, that's all. --Aeon17x 10:19, 15 September 2010 (BST)

Welp, looks like I rejoiced too early. I thought I'd make a 16 AP route for every suburb, but I couldn't figure out the first one on the map, Dakerstown. =/ --Aeon17x 02:48, 16 September 2010 (BST)


So are you looking to see every block, or actuall visit every block? I'm seeing a way to do the former in 16AP, but the latter will take more. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 05:08, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Ridleybank must be quite compact. Consider a suburb with TRPs in each corner, that's 30AP in itself to visit, and 24 to observe right? -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 05:43, 16 September 2010 (BST)
40AP and 28AP, I believe. Aichon 06:16, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Forgot you were looping, and even then my second value was wrong. <facepalm> -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 06:19, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Just see every TRP block on the minimap. By the way, are auto repairs TRPs? I noticed the Ridleybank map didn't include them so I didn't mark them too for Dakerstown. --Aeon17x 06:24, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Auto repairs are TRPs. You didn't see any on the Ridleybank map because Ridleybank has no Auto repairs. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 06:35, 16 September 2010 (BST)
Oh, well then. I uploaded a new TRP map of Dakerstown, and it's not far off from having a TRP in every corner. --Aeon17x 07:26, 16 September 2010 (BST)

I figured a 23 AP path for Dakerstown. That's 5 less than the 28 AP needed if the TRPs are exactly on the corners. Incidentally it's also the number of blocks the nearest TRPs are off from the corner:

  • the PD in the NW is 1 off from the NW corner
  • the auto repair in the NE is 1 off from the NE corner
  • the NT in the SE is 3 off (2 west, 1 north) from the SE corner

I guess it can be theorized that the least number of moves required is 28 AP minus the number of blocks the nearest TRPs are off from the corners, if all you wanted is to see them.

Applying that theory in Ridleybank,

  • the hospital in the NW is 3 off from the NW corner
  • the hospital in the SW is 2 off (1 east, 1 north) from the SW corner
  • the hospital in the SE is 3 off from the SE corner
  • the factory in the NE is 6 off (3 west, 3 south) from the NE corner

So for Ridleybank the least number of moves to see the TRPs is 13 AP. At present the best path we've come up is 16 AP, but at least we now know the lower bound on how many moves is possible. --Aeon17x 07:58, 16 September 2010 (BST)

All I was trying to suggest was that 16AP was unusually low, and that it'd be higher for most suburbs. The 5AP saving and the corners thing is just unlucky coincidence. I think an actual upper bound might be 36AP. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 08:31, 16 September 2010 (BST)
I wouldn't rely on that theory too much since it seems to be incorrect. For instance, one quick counterexample would be to have just two TRPs, one in the NW corner and one in the NE corner. According to the theory, they are both 0AP away from the corners, so it should take 28AP as a lower bound, but we can easily see that there's a path which only takes 14AP in order to make a full loop (and it's obvious as well that there is no shorter path). Or imagine if you had four TRPs, with two as they were in the last example, and the other two just one block diagonally inwards from those first two (i.e. 1SE and 1SW from the top corners). The theory would suggest a minimum of either 28AP or 24AP, depending on how you interpreted it, but we could again construct a 14AP path easily. Aichon 17:20, 16 September 2010 (BST)
You should have counted the distance of the blocks nearest from the southern corners. In the first counterexample the NW and NE blocks are 7 off from from the SW and SE corners respectively. Subtracting that from 28 AP you get a 14 AP route as you discovered. The second counterexample is like that too, the 1SE and 1SW blocks from the top corners is 6 north 1 east/west from the bottom corners, which when summed up again results in a 14 AP route. --Aeon17x 01:58, 17 September 2010 (BST)
Although yeah, it's probably not wise to apply it on everything. Or at its present form, it's not complete. There are other factors that would affect the number of moves to travel other than the nearest distance from the corners. --Aeon17x 02:38, 17 September 2010 (BST)
Actually, in the first counterexample they are 9 blocks off (9N each), not 7 as you say, yielding a lower bound of 10AP, which is clearly incorrect. And with the second counterexample, they are again 9 blocks away (8N, 1E/W), which would give a lower bound of 10AP once again. Some of my apparent confusion also stemmed from the fact that the theory doesn't provide a method for selecting which corner to count from (it says "nearest", but apparently means something other than that, given that my first examples counted from the closest corners). That said, while the theory is wrong, it does in some ways resemble an extremely simplified version of a more advanced theory I've run into when working with graphs (I work with very large graphs, in the billions of nodes, with some of the research I do for my grad work), so it definitely is coming from a direction with some legs under it. Aichon 03:51, 17 September 2010 (BST)

Votery Gymnastics

Also, if you're changing your vote on the Historic page, you'll need to strike your old one (place a colon immediately after the # sign in your vote, a la "#: Vote"). ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 06:45, 15 September 2010 (BST)

Never mind. You caught it.~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 06:46, 15 September 2010 (BST)
Obviously I screwed it up. :) Shouldnt've the vote been stuck, but not the entry as such though? It was a proper vote, just later canceled. Doesn't the current display make it look like it was a reply to thre previous posting, and wouldn't that cause confusion?-Wulfenbach 07:00, 15 September 2010 (BST)
In the Yes section/No section style of voting, the votes are counted by the number under each section. While striking your "No" vote make the intent clear that you've changed your mind, you have to indent it (thus removing it from the numbered list) for it to be truly struck. If you're worried about your old vote being construed as a reply to the above vote, you can add some text such as a small note at the end stating you've taken back your vote.
Basically, the final tally is made off of the total number of votes, and this is just standard protocol to prevent lazy talliers from slipping up. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 07:07, 15 September 2010 (BST)
I suppose I could just strike-through the entire vote and small-comment like that. Do you think it's worth it, or is it common wiki practice these days to overlook this sort of thing? Oh, and as you see, I pulled this out into its own section, otherwise it was cluttering up your page.-Wulfenbach 07:14, 15 September 2010 (BST)
I'd say it's a matter of preference at this point. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 07:16, 15 September 2010 (BST)


If you want to interview me you could. Just say when and where. I was just joking with you when I made a fuss about it. hopefully you detected my sarcasm. Anyway, thanks for all the work you've put in to the interviews and stuff.--Justinbronze 21:13, 15 September 2010 (BST)

I think all you have to do is go here, and fill out your answers to the questions. -MHSstaff 21:16, 16 September 2010 (BST)
I added this to the page RHO; edit as needed. Justinbronze, feel free to change the summary of your role before the questions; I just pulled a quote from the POLNGAOK page that seemed to summarize the general tone/feel of what you were going for. -MHSstaff 19:31, 20 September 2010 (BST)

Dealt in Lead

What kind of back room deal would it take to get you behind my campaign for mayor? The way I see it, it could end up as a close split between myself and the incumbent. I would definitely be keen to form a united Urban dead candidate, instead of risking splitting the vote. What kind of deal would we be talking?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 20:48, 23 September 2010 (BST)

A couple blueprints and a set of construction tools. ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 02:26, 24 September 2010 (BST)
I'll see what I can do.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:25, 24 September 2010 (BST)
Right. I'm a tad strapped for cash at the moment, so I'm working on getting you blueprint ingredients. In the meantime, there's a set of construction tools for sale at $20 in the new Ballymacora shop owned by our good friend spiderzed.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 07:36, 24 September 2010 (BST)

I came up with an Idea, but need your input

I thought it would be cool if we had a wiki User of the Month Competition. Now, this would probably have to be run by Sysops, so, I'm Asking for your input here. And dont worry, I've asked the other Sysops too.

Red Eyes-Dezonus-Red Eyes (talk) 14:56, 2 October 2010 (BST)