User talk:The Rooster/Archive/2010

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Oldest posts, at the time of original message, are at the top.

Subheadings have be added to some of the longer conversations, that did not always exist before archiving.

Template:If equal and other stuff

Since I'm guessing you're one of the few that might take an interest in it, I thought I'd mention that I edited Template:If equal so that it's actually functional now. The old version didn't work with this version of the wiki software, but I figured out a way to get the same functionality by using switch statements. I also figured out how to do AND, OR, and XOR, and have a demo for all four of these templates here. Those last three aren't in the public namespace, given that I haven't seen a need for them yet and hate to post templates that won't get used, but I thought I'd mention them in case you had an opinion on my implementation or ideas for uses.

Also, is something like this simply too much for the server? It's demonstrated here.

And while I have you, one last question: did you ever figure out a way around that issue with using noinclude on nowiki? I was trying to figure out a way to get ~~~~ in a template converted into an actual signature only upon inclusion, but not be converted when saving the template itself. No luck, but I feel like I'm missing something obvious. Aichon 09:03, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure if I can think of any uses, but I guess you could keep it around if anybody ever thinks of something to use it for.
Your demo for GSGM is probably too much, it can handle maybe 20-25 groups before dying. It you view the source code for the page (or any page) you should find an HTML comment near the end of the content like so:
Pre-expand include size: ''blah'' bytes
Post-expand include size: ''blah'' bytes
Template argument size: ''blah'' bytes
Maximum: 307200 bytes
This is the cost of the current template transclusions. Each is considered separately towards the maximum and usually the pre-expand size is the one that maxes out first. Your demo is 70k out of the 307k so you can make a guess from that.
It could be cut down, but for the GSGM I don't know if we need a monolithical table (despite what I may have said before on the GSGM talk pages :P) since everybody seems to get by with the by-suburb test we did before.
I never did have any luck with the nowiki/noinclude parsing. For automatic signing I think they'd have to enter the four tildes themselves somewhere. I don't think you can get around it. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 21:57, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for that edit to Template:NoNews, I haven't been bothered to find the actual code for that. Ah, good old Rooster, saving the world one template at a time.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


I do realise it could well be weeks before you find this message, but what the hell. Samhain Slaughter 3. I'm needing a hand on this sort of colossal fuckup. -- 03:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
I spent quite some time reorganising the code layout to try and give some sembelance of decent design. It's fixed the worst errors interfering with the external wiki layout, so it looks like I've fixed it on the outside, though it's still a mess on the inside. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 22:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
If that's the best we can do, I'm happy. Nice one. -- 22:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I could do more, but like, fuck that. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 22:15, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Radio Transmissions

Rooster, Is there any way to get a transcript or archive of every transmissions ever sent from a certain frequency? Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tpelletier (talkcontribs) 14:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC).

Not to my knowledge. I doubt Kevan keeps them archived or anything. So unless you can find a record on the wiki or in an iWitness report or similar, they're probably gone for good. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 14:47, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


I noticed you used my word. Just wanted to say thank you for helping me to spread the awesome.sauce.--Sean Connolly 17:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Very sorry Sean, but...well...I've heard awesomesauce before. :( It's an "uncommon" thing to hear, but I've heard it. In other words awesomesauce is awesome but you didnt invent it...if that wat u thought. IF. Awesomeness is also a term used in the same area. :D--Supercohboy 20:40, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the above help, you have once again amazed me with your skills. Anyway, the real reason I'm popping in is to actually notify you of your bid which was scheduled and put up, unfortunately though, no one told you. just a heads up. -- 08:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 14:27, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Example District Page

Okay, so here is our example page already in the main namespace. Less work than I thought, although it is far from aesthetically pleasing. Had to create Template:District for the sidebar and will have to make a minimap for each district, but otherwise it pretty much handles itself. I also created a page for the district barricade plan linked right to the page, and that's pretty much good to go aside from coding up a boilerplate template for that and adding a variable to the suburb boilerplate to link to the district one. Thoughts? --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 12:04, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

You could extend The DistrictFormX templates to handle both the map and resource building layout. That way you can save on needing an extra minimap which links them up. Anyway, the page seems to work technically, but I just wonder if we're in need of these. Maybe you should ask around and gather some opinion as to whether they'll actually be useful? Maybe start a GD on it. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 17:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

What's with all the templates?

I noticed you've been editing a lot of templates, and was curious as to what you were doing. So,.... what's up with all the template editing? -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 18:28, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Just cleaning up code and making sure the the categories are correct for the various flagboxes. Nothing special, but there are a lot of them. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 18:43, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that there were a lot of them.... anything I could do to lend a hand? -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 18:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
You could list any that look like they need attention. But I'll likely get around to them all eventually. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 19:09, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Sound like you have it under control then? -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 19:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


Fuck BC2, get Shattered Horizon.

Also, steam account?--Big Cat 23:24, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

You mistakenly assume I have a PC capable of running any games from this decade. So fuck random PC-only title. BC2 ftw. No steam (obviously) but an XBL gamertag (no points for guessing it) -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 23:37, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
You have made me slightly sadder and more depressed than I have been. :(
Also, with the hidden ultra low setting in TF2 you could probably run it.--Big Cat 23:41, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
384Mb of memory. I doubt that's enough somehow... -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 23:53, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
You need 512 minimum, but then again, the ultra low setting isn't factored into that.--Big Cat 00:01, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Still, my point is made. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 00:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

DSS template

Just wanted to thank you for the huge edit and add on onto the DSS Template you made.--No one ever pays Rufus in gum! 04:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey, is the EMR Bot Broken?

I couldn't seem to find any page stating it was, but it hasn't done any updates since mid February. I only ask because people keep posting reports there instead of manually updating things themselves, which I have been for about a week now (no complaints, I kinda enjoy updating things myself). And due to people still updating only the bot page, about a months worth of reports went unprocessed and lots of suburbs are stuck in February. Hope it's an easy fix, I'd hate for you to have to slave over this or something. I also removed the oldest unprocessed report in an attempt to get the bot a'rollin, hope that doesn't cause any extra problems.

-MidgetMe 01:53, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Not broken, it's just run manually. So when I disappear on months of gaming binge, no reports get processed. You can always just update by hand, and berate me for vanishing without warning, of course :P. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 17:39, 5 April 2010 (BST)
Ah I see. Haha completely understandable then. Sometimes you just need to step away for awhile. :) enjoy your time, good sir.
-MidgetMe 10:19, 11 April 2010 (BST)

yo, babycakes

I would kill for an update to this.... pleeease? -- 01:49, 5 April 2010 (BST)
I could get around to it... -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 17:42, 5 April 2010 (BST)
Wait, you're requesting a demotion? You fucker! -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 17:58, 5 April 2010 (BST)
Anyway, did the whole set of images. Enjoy. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 00:30, 6 April 2010 (BST)
Yeah!!! I'm outa here! And thanks! -- 10:32, 11 April 2010 (BST)

Labour link

Neither, I just couldn't be bothered to colour it red, and it looked quite good.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:43, 7 May 2010 (BST)

Work me some magic dammit!...

I've been told by Aichon that I should seek your magical wiki coding magic to find a solution,... and if your voodoo couldn't fix it, there was no way... I want to put the table of contents on the page, with a transparent background, so that the background color of the page in question comes through. Magic! NOW! -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 14:15, 9 May 2010 (BST)

The colour of the TOC is coded directly into the CSS. You can't change it without mucking about on the sitewide CSS file. So basically, you're stuck with the grey.
Alternatively, you could force NOTOC and maintain your own table of contents which you can then style as you like. Obviously it won't update automatically however. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 17:06, 10 May 2010 (BST)
That's the same thing I was thinking before I asked Aichon, and what he told me almost exactly. Thanks for the help... I really appreciate it. -Poodle of DoomM! Fear is only as deep as the mind will allow it be.T 17:11, 10 May 2010 (BST)

Malls and TRPs

I noticed that with the TRP template update, you don't seem to be listing malls (at least, you didn't list Caiger Mall in either Darvall or Chudleyton). Anyway, just thought I'd point it out in case it slipped. If it's intentional and you're coming back to it, please continue as you were. :P Aichon 10:14, 24 May 2010 (BST) Gatcombeton and Quarlesbank too. Aichon 10:15, 24 May 2010 (BST)

Whoops. :P -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 10:19, 24 May 2010 (BST)
Looks like the malls might need some extra work anyhow. I figure they need some co-ords, hell might as well see if it's even worth keeping MallStatus around, wouldn't be much lost in a transfer to BuildingStatus. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 10:27, 24 May 2010 (BST)
Yeah, when I saw they were missing, I went to go add them myself, but quickly realized they'd require extra work, and I'm already winding down for the night (gonna hit the sack after this edit, in fact). I just got a laugh out of going to see how the new template looked in my survivor's home suburb, only to see that Caiger Mall was missing. I figured odds were that you had something special already figured out and were just gonna swing through in a few minutes for all of the malls. Anyway, I have no opinion on MallStatus vs. BuildingStatus at the moment, and trust you pretty much implicitly on matters such as these, so I'll leave it entirely in your very capable and scaly hands. Aichon 10:35, 24 May 2010 (BST)

Thoughts On Suburb Style

Because of the width of the page, might it be better to have the trp numbers in a single line, instead of 2 rows. Just looks unbalanced, and you've got spare width. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:25, 24 May 2010 (BST)

Having them on a single line looks even worse, though you're right that it could fill more width in general. However, I'm trying not to have it fail horribly on low-ish resolutions. I can swap up the layout. But I can't satisfy the requirements of using space effectively on high-res, appearing decent on low-res, and degrading in the order I want all at once (might not even be possible with 4 "parts" to consider, banner, sidebar, contents and text). I might just be missing something though. Anyway the current layout shuns the high res a bit, but not too badly I feel. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 21:20, 3 June 2010 (BST)

you are the only other cool category guy

Department of Emergency Management/Needle Blitz is on the uncategorised list, but "appears" to have Department of Emergency Management category. But when going to edit, can't find a category link anywhere on page, and when I go to "edit" the category tag isn't visible down the bottom of the page.

From my experience I assume it's from the DEM NAV template, but even when a category is on a page via a template, I was always sure it would still show up at the bottom of the recieving page's edit page anyway. This is me being lazy and drunk, I only checked the page linked above and no template so it could be as easy as looking at the other pages I've mentioned, but in my lazy and drunken rampage I've decided to just contact my only other categorise-man-in-arms. Any answers/ideas?

Lots of awesome homophobic respecting love, -- 13:58, 26 May 2010 (BST)
It will show up on the edit page after a preview. Though not until you do that. Anyway, that's besides the point. The page is categorised, but the wiki failed to update this fact in the uncategorised list. A null edit fixed it.
In case you don't know: a null edit is one that doesn't affect the page, like extra newlines at the end (the wiki gets rid of the extra ones, so nothing changes) so saving doesn't cause anything to be logged, but it will update things and so that'll fix a broken list. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 22:28, 27 May 2010 (BST)
You sir, are a genius.--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 22:41, 27 May 2010 (BST)
I fucking love you man ;D -- 01:11, 28 May 2010 (BST)

My Sig

Why is it breaking stuff, in what way is it breaking stuff, and how can I prevent it from breaking stuff?--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:09, 3 June 2010 (BST)

You happened to use "^^^" which I had chosen as a string of characters that I didn't think anybody in their right mind would use. Not your fault really. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 23:15, 3 June 2010 (BST)
Ah. You were most likely correct then. I won't bother changing it because I'll probably end up changing it to whatever the new code is. Sorry about the problems.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 23:16, 3 June 2010 (BST)
Really not your fault. I'll just have to get more creative :P -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 23:18, 3 June 2010 (BST)

Template:HollomstownNews, and thoughts on the TRP List

In fact, I'm not the one who usually archive news. That would be Yonnua Koponen. I happened to be the one who standardized the 2007 news that was copied from Template:HollomstownNews, however.

So, I guess you want to remove the template, and the accompanying Template:RecentNewsPost, correct? Seeing how I'm not from Hollomstown, and not the one who edit/use it, I don't want to touch it myself. But if you want to remove it for redundancy, I've already made a copy of both template at my own sandbox.

By the way. I was thinking about commenting on your new Template:TRP List since the day you changed it, but never had the time. Now is the right time.

  • First, I don't miss Fire Stations that much. The fact that they aren't real TRPs help too. So I think it's the correct decision to remove it. And the new color layout isn't bad, either.
  • However, I feel the same way as Rosslessness above me, the template itself is too wide, and cause page layout problem on smaller screens. The old template never has this problem, since it was only 400px wide. So I suggest resizing it back, such as this:

NecroTech Facilities




Police Departments




Auto Repair Shops




Bulletin Boards


Revive Points


Building Status Key: Unknown

Safe Rebuilding Under Attack Under Siege
Ruined In Zombie Hands Pinata

I also add the "Pinata" designation with black color, per Template:StatusMap pinata. What do you think?
  • This might be too finicky, but buildings coordinates are inconsistent. Mall coordinates use square brackets [x,y] while other buildings use parentheses (x,y). Template:Locationblock also uses square brackets, which I believe is the correct one, since the in-game GPS uses this style. The problem lies in Template:BuildingStatus, which is beyond my ability to fix.
Of course, as I said, this inconsistency is very finicky. So, if you have some more important things to take care of, please just ignore it. Not many people are going to care about it, I believe. -- Kittithaj 23:55, 3 June 2010 (BST)
Ross was referring to something else, but yeah it could be shaved down. The legend forces it to be 404px at the moment (default font size, anyway), but it'll get wider for places with long names to keep them on one line. So really I think the problem is the long police department names. I could allow it to wrap (though that looks worse) or come up with some clunky fix to shorten names to "Whatever Place PD" which would help a lot.
The co-ords thing is a bit all over the place, but consistent in its own way. Danger reports use (), while location blocks use []. Then multi-block danger reports use [] to indicate multi block structures or something. Converting to () for everything is probably less than 50 edits, but converting to [] is a few thousand. So, I agree in principle, but too much effort. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 17:09, 4 June 2010 (BST)


Just saw this edit and didn't quite think it quite made sense, so I wanted to point it out. Near as I can tell, the bot was working on an EMR from May 25th, which was very out of date, since the suburb's status was updated on May 31 by me as a result of the horde ruining a good chunk of Grigg Heights and lingering in the area for the better part of a week (they started in on Grigg around the 29th or 30th, I believe).

Normally I wouldn't blink twice at EMRBot using a week-old report, since that's almost always more recent than any other updates, but in this case, we have a status update that was clearly more recent in a region that was very subject to change due to the horde's presence, so the fact that it used old information stood out a bit to me. As for why I'm mentioning it...I guess I'm curious what sort of safeguards are in place for stuff like this, but, honestly, EMRBot does so much more good than harm that I can hardly be upset at it over minor things like this. Aichon 01:46, 4 June 2010 (BST)

The safeguard is grabbing the recent news section, if there's any news, I'll have it skip over the suburb danger update. If there's no news, I figure an estimate based on an EMR is better than some random old status. You're always welcome to revert the bot, it can't beat a human scout, and in future consider posting a news update if the suburb goes from green to red, eh? -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 16:49, 4 June 2010 (BST)
That makes a LOT of sense doing it that way. I hadn't even considered that it'd be almost impossible to grab dates from the danger updates themselves. As for posting news, well, it may have been a big deal for the inhabitants of the suburb, but for me it was Tuesday. ;)
As an aside, that last comment of mine came out way too accusatory sounding. That was not the tone I intended to take with it, so I just wanted to clarify that I wanted to provide detail so that you'd know what I was talking about, but that I was asking purely because I was curious about the thought behind it, since I knew you would have covered most of these bases. That last sentence of my previous comment had been meant to kinda get that across, but, in retrospect, it reads as if I was disappointed with the bot, which is not how I wanted it to sound at all. So, I wanted to apologize if it came across that way, since I didn't mean to say anything of that sort. Aichon 17:01, 4 June 2010 (BST)
Didn't sound accusatory at all. But then you had to go and link TV Tropes, and now I can sense I'm about to lose another 5 hours of my life to the internets greatest timesink. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 17:20, 4 June 2010 (BST)

Hello Mr. Locations

This was well before your time I believe, but what's the go with Category:Map Developement, particularly Locations List do you think? Was it just an index page before the actual location block pages were made? Would the wiki suffer from deletion of these pages? -- 12:29, 7 June 2010 (BST)
No strong feelings either way, the index is both kind of useful and kind of pointless. Meh. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 23:49, 7 June 2010 (BST)


I think it needs a fill colour behind the two sections, if possible. The bevelled corners of the inner cells seem a bit off when there's a border around the whole lot. :( Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 14:40, 11 June 2010 (BST)

Also I could be wrong but I think this is the first time I've used your talk page. Weird. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 14:42, 11 June 2010 (BST)
There is a fill colour, it's called white. :P
Seriously though, how do they look off? The template is basically a direct copy-paste of what was on Template:Player Information and company, so it's hardly new, do the old revisions of those templates also look off? -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 14:47, 11 June 2010 (BST)
Good. You don't really need the rounded edges, but we all want some style around here. The pink/red combo is a terrible example though. really burns the eyes :) --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:52, 11 June 2010 (BST)
Aha, on a closer look that original template is the same, I had just failed to notice the white against the very pale blue colour. I like the rounded edges but perhaps keeping a fill colour the same as the lower box's colour so that the upper box is the bevelled one, and stands out more. I dunno, just opinions. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 14:56, 11 June 2010 (BST)
Amazing how a template that changes nothing gets so much attention whilst I do all sorts flies under the radar despite RC spam. Anyway yeah I changed it so the background fills the whole area, it help methinks. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 15:08, 11 June 2010 (BST)
Yeah, that's pretty. Don't mind me, I'm stalking from wiki to wiki right now gnoming and I saw you'd created that. It was the colours that pointed it out, more noticable than the paler older one. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 15:44, 11 June 2010 (BST)

Roftwood Barricade Plan

what is wrong with using a color-coded system to denote ruins, I ask? I'm new to the barricade plan circuit myself. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 21:50, 12 June 2010 (BST)

Color denotes building type, not building status, with the idea being that each piece of data (e.g border, color, text, etc.) represents an orthogonal piece of information (e.g. barricade level, building type, special features, etc.). While the Ruin color is okay for personal maps (e.g. 404 uses it, and BB3 used it for awhile), it shouldn't be used in that manner for general barricade plans since it's inconsistent with other design features of the template.
Basically, it's bad since a building can be both a, say, Hospital and a ruin, but you'd lose the fact that it's a Hospital if it was colored as a ruin. The better way to do it is to introduce a new way of representing ruins that doesn't force you to sacrifice other information, which Maverick and I have already been working on ideas for. Until then though, text is the best way. Aichon 22:22, 12 June 2010 (BST)
I figured that the color could represent buildings that were generic and ruined (because what other type would be ruined on purpose?), but you guys know better than I in this matter. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:05, 13 June 2010 (BST)
Can a table cell contain two borders? If so, a second, inner, border could be added to ruined blocks to denote this. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 00:18, 13 June 2010 (BST)
I approve of this, but doubt its existence. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:30, 13 June 2010 (BST)

As above, additionally it's not in the legend, so nobody will know what's it's about. You'd had to add at least generic ruin and NT ruin. While you can technically have ruin with cades, since that would never occur on a BP, I guess you could add ruin into the cade level somehow. EHB->VSB->None->Ruin. With colours, I guess adding generic ruin and NT ruin to the legend (since they exist) would also cover it. A second border is possible if we put a cell within a cell, but that would need a major re-work.

Until somebody has a good method we can all agree on, the text is best since you can add what you like. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 01:37, 13 June 2010 (BST)

I like the cade level idea. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 01:42, 13 June 2010 (BST)
I've actually had one of my buddies who's done graduate-level work in user interface design and computer human interaction (and who now does that stuff for a living) take a look at it and have explained the issues to her. We spent an hour or two yesterday trying to come up with a better way to represent ruins, since there are plenty of easy ways to do it, but no obviously great ways. Honestly, the main issue I see is that ruins are very rarely a planned part of barricade plans (meaning that text is a sufficient way to denote them for now, or else just unbarricaded, which I believe was the original idea behind the unbarricaded status), but they are common on status maps of the suburb, which the barricade plan template has been commandeered into use as. For a status map, people need to be able to see at a glance which buildings are ruined or not, so something like changing the color makes sense at a glance, but is definitely the easy way out and isn't the best way since we lose other useful information.
If we want to kill two birds with one stone, it'd be nice if we could address the status map issue, since handling it would handle the barricade plan issue simultaneously. As Rooster said though, until a better solution presents itself, using text is the best way to do it for now. Aichon 13:44, 13 June 2010 (BST)
Well I'd say text is the best way to handle it for "official" plans. I don't mind how people extended their own plans really. The extra legend seems pretty good to me, since you want to draw attention to the ruins and whatnot. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 21:32, 13 June 2010 (BST)
I feel silly for not catching this conversation sooner. Obviously for the "official" barricade plans, the unbarricaded blocks are very easily interpreted as ruins--because buildings without barricades quickly become ruins. As Aichon pointed out, the ruin status of a block only comes about for personal-use BPs where the users are just as interested in the current(ish) (non)ruin status of a building as they are in the type of building and barricade level. Since we didn't have these purposes in mind when the new BP template was designed, I created the Lit, Ruin, and NTRuin colors for use with 404. They can just as easily be deleted when a good alternative is found for personal-use status maps. --Maverick Talk - OBR Praise Knowledge! 404 07:40, 16 June 2010 (BST)

As you were wondering


It does have a billboard. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:33, 15 June 2010 (BST)

How bizarre. Thanks for scouting that. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 16:56, 16 June 2010 (BST)
Why is it bizarre? - Poodle of Doom 05:05, 2 August 2010 (BST)

more categories stuff

I noticed the template categories Category:A Groups, Category:B Groups and so on. Are these really necessary? Do you by any chance have a plan for these or am I right by you to recategorise them all into categories like Templates and delete the empty categories? -- 13:00, 23 July 2010 (BST)

More Magic Please

The problem is outlined here, and here. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to try to help answer them. Please help me figure it out. - Poodle of Doom 05:00, 2 August 2010 (BST)

Bots down?

I was looking around today and noticed that your bots haven't reported since June 19. Is this intentional? They all seemed very helpful! :) --Hyper Anthony 04:57, 5 August 2010 (BST)

They're each started manually by Rooster every time he runs them, and since June 17th was his last contribution, it's probably safe to say he hasn't been around much lately. Aichon 06:20, 5 August 2010 (BST)
I wonder what the odds are for Rooster turning over the keys to his bots. Whadda ya say, ol' buddy ol' pal <:)? ~ Red Hawk One Talk | space for lease 06:31, 5 August 2010 (BST)
Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification. --Hyper Anthony 23:26, 5 August 2010 (BST)

I don't have any major qualms turning over the program or even the source. It's a mess from the fact I have no idea what I'm doing, but it mostly works. If anybody actually does want to adopt it, I could try and upload it somewhere when I have a moment. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 18:00, 10 August 2010 (BST)

VB - Cornholioo perma vote

I know you don't really do VB, but could you come weigh in on this? No real rush but it would be appreciated. -- Cheese 21:16, 6 August 2010 (BST)

Power stations as resouce buildings?

I was updating Dentonside building status when I noticed that Tolman Power Station isn't listed as a resource building. The same happen to Krinks Power Station in Williamsville. I think it's ridiculous, because two very important items can be found in them: generators and fuel cans. Sure, there are only two of them throughout Malton, but so are forts.

I asked the same question on the Tactical Resource Point talk page, but I don't expect to have answers. For now, I'm going to take initiative and put both of them under "Factories" slot. If you agree on that, we can put them under Malls/Forts slot instead. And maybe give them a color in the barricade plans, as well. -- Kittithaj 05:39, 9 August 2010 (BST)

Sounds reasonable IMO, I like your initiative. -- 09:17, 9 August 2010 (BST)
I like it as well, since it's obvious we just overlooked them when considering the barricade plans and the like. Sounds to me like they should be listed with forts and malls as multi-block TRPs for simplicity's and consistency's sakes. Should be listed with Factories, as you said, since it makes more sense in terms of what they have. I'll probably make the appropriate changes to the barricade plans and templates in a sec, since I don't see why there would be any objections. Aichon 16:31, 9 August 2010 (BST)
Done. They should be listed on the barricade plans and on the TRP page. Aichon 17:16, 9 August 2010 (BST)

Sysop input requested

There's a sysop-only vote taking place, and we haven't heard from you yet. Check here. Aichon 20:23, 9 August 2010 (BST)

bot problem

EMR Bot is changing status overriding in-person scouting that was done the same day. I suggest changing it to not update anything newer than 48 or 72 hours. Also, it should take into account that EMR reports do not see barricades or anything (living or undead) inside buildings. -- Grogh 23:13, 10 September 2010 (BST)

I asked him about it earlier this year. Might have some answers you're looking for. Aichon 05:34, 11 September 2010 (BST)
Yeah I've noticed you've been fixing various edits that were less than clever for ages now. My original reasoning for this was the the suburb news would be a better way to see if an edit should be skipped (as explained in link given). Well nobody updates suburb news at all anymore, so that's become useless. It already skips updating for anything over a week old, but I also added a condition so that it won't update if there was a more recent edit than the broadcast time. (No more suggesting a status from a 3 day old report, when an edit was made yesterday)
As far as accounting for indoor zombies and barricades goes, it already does that somewhat. The problem is that it's major guesswork, and that the "official" danger levels don't line up with what people tend to put anyway. That said, I'll see about tweaking the numbers a bit. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 15:53, 11 September 2010 (BST)
I know what you mean about the suburb news, and even the BIC's aren't getting updated much. Anyway, thanks for tweaking! -- Grogh 01:28, 12 September 2010 (BST)

replying here because PSP editing sucks

Credit only because he clearly C+P everything from my group. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 20:47, 14 September 2010 (BST)

It's a table and some headings, you could claim half the wiki looks the same. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 20:52, 14 September 2010 (BST)
True, but using the same color and ordering of each header? And the same "Under Construction" template? At least make a point as to where he found 'em codes. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 21:00, 14 September 2010 (BST)
And if he does change the colour? And the text at some point? It is as you point out "under construction". If those change then it's just another group page with coloured background and groupbox and slab of text. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 21:06, 14 September 2010 (BST)


Set style="letter-spacing:-.2em" on the V's. Adjust value until overlapping. Also I pressed +, woo tab key -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 05:49, 16 September 2010 (BST)

It's perfect!
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Trips has given Rooster a cookie for working magic on his sig.
As an additional reward, I'm breaking the rules of your talk page by bringing the conversation to it! Yay! --VVV RPGMBCWS 06:06, 16 September 2010 (BST)

Sig Switch

Friendly notice that having a massive switch statements in your sig is threatening inclusion limits on several parts of the wiki, particularly BIC related stuff which will start to collapse as you sign more danger reports. Could I ask that you significantly reduce them? Pruning the main one to days of week would help a lot. It's not like anybody will read mouseover text anyway. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 21:26, 19 September 2010 (BST)

Also I used + because I can. You realise the wiki will close off trailing tables for you, right? If you remove it, the + button won't leave new messages outside your table. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 21:35, 19 September 2010 (BST)
Also, do what he says. Most of the folks that have stylized talk pages use that trick so that the + button still works. It also wikinewb-proofs your page a bit. Aichon 21:46, 19 September 2010 (BST)
User_talk:Poodle_of_doom#New_Page. Ignore my poor spelling and talk of shrooms. --VVV RPGMBCWS 00:08, 20 September 2010 (BST)
Alternatively, if you want to keep the idea but want to cut the bulk down a bit, you could simply create pages at User:TripleU/sigXXsaying where XX is the day of the month, each one holding a single saying that would have otherwise gone in your switch statement, then, in your signature, rather than using the switch, you'd just tell it to include User:TripleU/sig{{CURRENTDAY}}saying at the point where that switch statement goes. Yes, it means creating a lot of pages, but it also means cutting it down from its current size to around 1/30th the size while still keeping the same functionality. Aichon 21:44, 19 September 2010 (BST)
I like this idea best, I'll do it now/soon/Septemper. --VVV RPGMBCWS 00:08, 20 September 2010 (BST)

Category:Suburb History

Hey Rooster,

A few days ago, Rosslessness suggested I help out with Category:Suburb History. It was suggested I help out with it because I'm looking for jobs, and it was fairly neglected. Since then, I have noticed that you've been doing a lot of work on it, and Screenshots seem to be appearing out of nowhere. Is this just co-incidence, or would you like me to leave Category:Suburb History alone and leave it for you to do? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dezonus (talkcontribs) 12:00, 22 September 2010 (BST).

I do indeed have it covered, I'm often working in the backwater categories of the wiki so don't mind me if things start going crazy. As for screenshots from nowhere, I uploaded over 700 via a bot account, which are cunningly set to be hidden by default on recent changes so you don't have to put up with the spam. Fear not. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 12:07, 22 September 2010 (BST)
Hello Rooster, I would just like to complement you on the Category:Suburb History bot updates to date. It's a great page. Any chance you could fire up a new batch upload from your shiny bot so that October 2010 gets updated? How often do you usually run it? --Unlife 02:23, 23 November 2010 (UTC)02:21, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Those DHPD User Pages Again

For my sins I've been put in charge of the DHPD Wiki pages so I'm revisiting that question of all the user pages in our category

I know you said you had left all the ones that had been edited, if only slightly but I was wondering if that was true of, for instance, all these

(which only seem to have been edited by this Novelty person - whoever they are, unless I'm misreading the logs)

I was also wondering about pages like this one:

Where the only edit seems to have been made, not by the User, but by their edit page? How does that even happen?

-- Sorry to bug you specifically, but you seemed like the obvious person to ask since we've discussed this before. Purple Cat ~ DHPD 18:21, 23 September 2010 (BST)

It seems somebody in the group copy pasted the same exact code onto each user page (riddled with typos). I got all the ones were the user was a non-existent account or the page had been unedited which suggested they didn't want it or didn't even know they had their own user page. The others do have tiny edits, but everybody seemed to keep that copy-paste code for reasons beyond me.
The revision history is wrong because Kevan had to clear out older edits on the server because they were slowing it down (maybe running low on disk space or maybe the software couldn't handle so many revisions). Those pages are all so old only the most recent edit survived.
Plash's case was him editing the wrong page. His user page has a lower case r (and is blank, so you see the edit page when you click his name) but he was editing the page with an upper case R.
At the time I was helping out even though there's nothing to say I could actually nuke the spammed pages, but the edited ones might have been edited by the actual user and somebody might have cared enough to Miscontibate my ass on it. I'm a wimp, should've just nuked them all and saved you the bother.
Since I don't have sysopy powers anymore, I'll have to go through A/SD but I can't imagine anybody will object.
Good luck with the organising. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 20:59, 23 September 2010 (BST)
I'll need it. I guess I'll try contacting those players who are still around, see what their thoughts are. Then I'll take it from there. Thanks! Purple Cat ~ DHPD 13:51, 25 September 2010 (BST)
Just to say there's the page User:PurpleCat which I assume is yours. You should ask for it moved to your userspace, or just deleted if you don't care about it.
Otherwise all done. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 09:49, 27 September 2010 (BST)


Im confused by the bot edit to vinetown. Despite no new EMRP since the last bot update its changed the status. Any idea why? The EMRP doesn't really suggest a red suburb to me. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:32, 28 September 2010 (BST)

A report indicating over 100 zombies was made. Nobody posted in on suburb news yet, but it's on the official summary and logging pages. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 10:46, 29 September 2010 (BST)
Cool. thanks. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:49, 29 September 2010 (BST)

EMR bot

That depends, how is the bot operated? In which programming language was it written? I have no experience in running a bot before. And while I have basic understanding of programming concepts in general, I have limited understanding in more complex programming languages. If the bot operation is very complicated, I think another editor would be more suitable. -- Kittithaj 06:36, 15 October 2010 (BST)

So I guess the bot is a ready-to-use .exe file? Sounds interesting. Well, can you upload it somewhere and give me the link? I'll need some time to make myself familiar with it. -- Kittithaj 12:42, 21 October 2010 (BST)

Template:Mall Logo and my horrible attempts at copying it

So I tried here to replicate a variation on your {{Mall Logo}}, and seem to have failed horribly. It's so that I can create a zombie-centric version of {{DangerMap}} by having a different run of colours keying off of the survivor colours for DangerMap. I appear to have botched it royally, and you're the guy who rigged {{Mall Logo}} in the first place so I figure you'd be the one who'd be able to bail my firm ass out of this. Thanks duder. Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 20:04, 27 October 2010 (BST)

You don't need to adapt that template, the danger reports were designed so you could choose what they did yourself. Supply your own template (20a) and then set template= when calling the report (as done in 20) and all the variables defined in the danger report are available to your template. So in your case I'm just switching over the Danger variable. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 18:48, 28 October 2010 (BST)
Thanks, el duderino! Need to watch Lebowski less... Strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others 22:16, 28 October 2010 (BST)

Nav Switch Code

Hi Rooster,

I hope you don't mind, but I used your nav switch code in one of my projects. I saw that another user asked if they could use it, and you said yes, so I figured it was ok. Anyways, I wanted to thank you for writing it; it is extremely clever and works perfect for our page. Here are the pages that use it if you care at all: Page 1 and Page 2. -MHSstaff 15:52, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Glad to see it getting around. Perhaps one day garish rainbow coded pages will devour the wiki. Or not. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 01:34, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Category:Suburb History

Stumbled over Category:Suburb History and saw that it has been neglected since September 2010. My screenie from today was the first one entered since that time. Looks like October and November will stay empty now, as there hasn't been a screenie taken during this time. Before I go all panicky, I wonder if you have screenies covering those two months and/or can somehow retrieve them with the bot? -- Spiderzed 20:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Unlife left me a message above about the same. The bot works from the wiki revision history so as long as we don't have another purge I can fill in any gaps. In fact it'd probably be easier if the bot just did it, say every month, for consistency.
Talking of all this, has DDR made the video of the mid-2010 stuff? I was looking forward to that. -- User:The Rooster RoosterDragon User talk:The Rooster 01:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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