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Please do not vandalize pages on this wiki. Continuing this behaviour may lead to your editing privileges being revoked.--– Nubis NWO 03:23, 24 August 2008 (BST)

Come irc

we have much to discuss!--xoxo 10:57, 23 August 2008 (BST)

Protected A/SD

Speedydelete has been protected, but the queue is an inclusion of the monthly archive page. Can you edit the individual sections to add a new SD request? If not I'll unprotect it (and A/VB) -- boxy talki 13:18 20 August 2008 (BST)

Regarding the Dulston wiki page

Why ya' changing it around and stuff? I think it was a lot better the way it was... is there some new policy I'm unaware of or something? --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 02:48, 19 August 2008 (BST)

No new policies... Just implementing some very old, very well-established ones, i.e. to keep the community wiki pages neutral. I'm sorry, but the Dulston Suburb page was basically one big Dulston Alliance propaganda page. This is being fixed. As it happens, no one has apparently gone in edited the Dulston Suburb wiki before now... This happens a lot, and suburb pages will get fixed when someone who notices and has the motivation to do so goes and does it. Now, you will notice that I am not deleting ANY information -- only moving it to a more appropriate location. In doing so, I am following a very standardised set of conventions that are widely used on Suburb pages. These conventions are flexible, but one thing about them is pretty consistent: non-NPOV stuff does not belong in NPOV sections which are meant for the entire community. This is what I am attempting to fix. Thanks for you time. --WanYao 02:57, 19 August 2008 (BST)
So you'll be doing the same thing to the rest of the suburbs, then? And seriously now there's no policy against that. It's just pointing out the location of a pro-survivor resource, perhaps even discouraging NPOV news in the NPOV section. --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 03:08, 19 August 2008 (BST)
Also, whats with the new NPOV schtuff? I don't see that on any other suburb pages, and it takes up a shitload of space. Really need it..? --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 03:11, 19 August 2008 (BST)
I do it on an ad hoc basis... When I happen to see a suburb that needs work, and I have the time and energy, I work on it. I happen to be operating in Dulston at the moment, and poked around the wiki page.... And saw it needed fixing up. So... I went to work. And, nope, I do not plan on doing EVERY fucking Suburb page... That's not one man's job... As I said, I do them on an ad hoc, as-I-come-across-them basis... And I have done other suburbs, though as I explained, I'm not responsible for doing them all... The wiki is a community after all... However, if you'd like to help out going through a few suburb pages yourself, and fixing them up to conform to NPOV and formatting conventions -- that'd be fantastic, we'd really appreciate your assistance! --WanYao 03:17, 19 August 2008 (BST)
So if it's not a policy, and you're not going to do it on other pages... you won't mind if I move things back to where they were? I'm not seeing why you had to move everything around... If you could point out what you find to be POV, I'd be more than happy to straighten that out with you, but all you've done is moved stuff... how'd you fix all the "propaganda"? --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 03:28, 19 August 2008 (BST)
I am following standard wiki conventions... Go look at other Suburb pages... Go read the policies on NPOV and arby cases regarding this kind of thing. I'm going to pull no punches now: the Dulston Suburb wiki belongs to the community -- not just to the Dulston Alliance, and not just to pro-survivors in Dulston. And if you revert my edits, then it's straight to Arby... You wanna work with me? Fine. Work with me... and with the policies and conventions of the wiki. Capiche? --WanYao 03:36, 19 August 2008 (BST)
Again, all you've done is moved stuff. Tell me whats Dulston Alliance POV, please, and I'll help to remedy that... or I'm just going to change it back. --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 03:50, 19 August 2008 (BST)
Please stop edit conflicting me on my own Talk page, thanks, grrrh... :P In answer to that last question, if you're referring to the News blurb... It originally appeared on the Pitneybank page and has been added in several other suburbs as well. Yagoton and Williamsville, I believe, being a couple that come to mind immediately. As explained above, fixing stuff is an ongoing, community project... it taakes time and is the result of many people's efforts. Wanna help? --WanYao 03:17, 19 August 2008 (BST)
While it does seem like a good idea, it does take up a lot of space, wouldn't you agree? It's not like there's an astounding amount of whatever-POV statements being made in the news (and, pertaining to the ones you've "corrected", they aren't extreme at any rate). --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 03:28, 19 August 2008 (BST)
It's clearly needed, as evidenced by the plethora of blatantly non-NPOV News posts. Many made by you yourself. --WanYao 03:37, 19 August 2008 (BST)
O rly? Where aboots? --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 03:50, 19 August 2008 (BST)

I'm busy now. And... yes... I merely moved stuff... Because I don't just delete stuff.... But there are correct places for POV stuff... And incorrect places. Learn them. Learn and understand how most of the wiki outside of Dulston works... and work with the community to make the Dulston page fit in with the way it's done elsewhere. Don't just revert my edits, because my edits FIXED the page. Thanks. Ciao, now. --WanYao 03:55, 19 August 2008 (BST)

Can't really learn them If I don't know where they are, now can I? ;D Mind linking me to the policie(s) in question? I do know that several (5 or 6) burbs around Dulston follow the same format. I find it rather hard to believe they've been wrong for the last two years or so and no one's noticed... Also, what POV stuff are you talking about? I'm almost positive anything said about the Alliance (and it's not like there's whole paragraphs about us) was NPOV. --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 04:10, 19 August 2008 (BST)
NPOV - you asked, enjoy the light reading. Also despite the lack of official policy several arby cases say that there news posts should be npov but as long as you aren't blatantly praising your own group you can get away with saying pretty much anything. Wan is a NPOV hardliner so i wouldn't worry too much :P --xoxo 04:15, 19 August 2008 (BST)
Aye, I'm aware of what NPOV is, and it's not the news posts I'm complaining about, it's the stuff that Wan moved for no apparent reason. There doesn't seem to be a policy about why he moved the stuff around. Considering that the page has been the way it was as far as edit history goes back I'm a little intreigued as to what was the cause of this rather out of the blue change. Besides, I liked it the way it was. I'm willing to help correct any POV he seems to have found, but if this ended up just him being anal because we're putting up a fight for Trood ;D, then Ima change it back. BTW Wan, which wan (LOL PUN) are you? And did you know we have rather confounding evidence that the swarm zergs? Hope you're not working with them... ;) --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 04:27, 19 August 2008 (BST)

There is policy and/or precedent regarding what I did. The first parts of a Suburb page are supposed to be neutral, NPOV suburb descriptions. There is plenty of scope for creativity, but it should not include stuff about groups, unless those groups have a long and very influential history in the post-outbreak suburb. Similarly, post-outbreak "history" is generally to be kept off this initial section...

Sections listing groups and post-outbreak "history" and various other things like flavour text... this is stuff that doesn't have to be NPOV... and almost always placed below the Resource Buildings table, and commonly after the Suburb News. I followed this convention in re-ordering the sections of the Dulston page. As I've said, if you look at ohter suburb pages, you will see this is a standardised format. Not universal, because as I have explained, the wiki is an ongoing project.

But furthermore... And I'm going to be totally blunt here... Pretty much everything that was written on the Dulston page was pro-survivor biased, practically a Dulston Alliance propaganda page. Which makes it even less appropriate in these sections. These are community pages, and as such ought to be of use to -- and not alienating to -- all players. Which means no one group or POV should totally dominate it, I don't care how dominant you may be in game.

My changes were appropriate and followed standard wiki conventions, precedents and policies. Now, there is a lot of scope for flexibility, and stuff can be rearranged end edited etc. to make it more "user friendly". My edits simply served to fix the most glaring problems and to get things ordered in the standard ways, and the POV stuff out of the NPOV sections.

And I have already explained that just because no one has addressed these issues before doesn't make them non-issues. For whatever reason, no one could be arsed before. Now, however, someone is being arsed... And, if you're going to connect my attempting to fix NPOV issues to matters in-game... Maybe that's how you think and operate... But I am lot more mature than that... I've already explained my methodologies for editing suburb pages, and how and why I decided to work on the Dulston one. If you didn't read that, or didn't understand it, that's not my problem... I'm not repeating myself. Again...

Anyway... As I've said, if you wanna work with me to improve the page -- fantastic! But if you wanna work against me... well... I'll just say this... Seeya in Arbies...

Have a nice day. --WanYao 09:23, 19 August 2008 (BST)

You're still not showing me what was pro-survivor POV or "Dulston Alliance Propaganda". And where is the policy you've just referenced? And what precedent are you citing? Just the fact that other pages are like it? Well 5-6 suburbs around Dulston have the same format, and have been since 06'. I'd say thats decent precedent too. So link me a policy and point out the POV nao, plz. kthxbai. --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 16:50, 19 August 2008 (BST)

It's not my responsbility to educate you on every little detail of how the wiki functions... It's your responsibility to learn how the wiki works... And, seeing as I have tried to explain these things, but you chosen to be completely non-constructive and are solely interested in making stupid little quips and generally being an asshat... I do not want you posting to my Talk page again, Kikashie. That is all. --WanYao 18:59, 19 August 2008 (BST)

So what you're saying is you can't site precedent or show me what was pro-survivor POV? Why not? If you can't show me precedent or policy, I'm just going to revert it to the way it has been for two years, and then, if you would like to pursue it further, I'll remove or move whatever you feel is pro-survivor POV/Alliance propaganda. Whats so hard about that? I would assume any major overhaul of a community page, without precedent or policy to back it up, should be first discussed on the talk page, correct? You're avoiding the questions, Wan. Why? --Kikashie Read the Dispatch! 21:19, 19 August 2008 (BST)
No. What he's saying is that sometimes if you can't figure it out right away you won't figure it out at all. If you honestly, with all your heart, cannot figure out what is POV and what is NPOV then you will never figure it out...evar. Now, because the wiki Gods feel bad for those that cannot learn common sense they created something called Arby's, a place where if you can't figure out the rules you can get them changed. Right now Arby's has a 5 for $5.95 deal so I'd get going and start 5 cases, even if you don't really need them. --Sonny Corleone DORIS MSD pr0n 21:31, 19 August 2008 (BST)

See: UDWiki:Suburb Style Guide for a start... Yes, these are only suggestions,... guidelines... However, there is solid history of precedent in Arby, etc. supporting the kinds of edits I have made. I have been tidying up the page... according to fairly standard practices, and following the general consensus regarding neutrality, ease of access to information / readibility, etc. And, seeing as you do not own the Dulston Suburb page as "personal property", there is no need for me "to go through you" to make edits... Especially seeing as I have deleted nothing of sustance from the page, only reordered things... Redordered according to the style guides, and according to established NPOV protocols and precedents. If you feel I am doing the wiki wrong, please feel free to take it to Arby. --WanYao 21:33, 19 August 2008 (BST)

Constructive work and commentary on the Dulston page can go here

More mostly minor edits made...

For the record... IMO, the "Dulston, more than just a toursist attraction" section is probably fine as its own section, right below the NPOV section but before the resource building tables. This is a common practice and is widely accepted. However, most of the "blurbs" (in general) are very lengthy and this detracts from the ease of navigation... Suburb pages are intended to be informational pages for the whole community... People go to them for info on TRPs and News, as well as to look up important info like active groups and RPs, etc. It should be easy to find this stuff, and it ought not to be buried in ramblings... Basically, if these sections are made fairly concise and non-rambling, they're fine... But as it was, this wasn't the case before I started working on the page, so I moved them to a less intrusive place... Pending further edits for conciseness and readability etc... The whole point has been to try to make the page easy to read and to navigate for important information -- while being both entertaining and relatively neutral and non-alienating to the various "factions" that play UD, overall. It's my hope that the various stakeholders in Dulston will work together towards this end... rather than create drama by name-calling, bizarre (and irrelevant) allegations of bias and in-game cheating, etc. etc. --WanYao 20:33, 19 August 2008 (BST)

Your funney

;)--xoxo 01:25, 19 August 2008 (BST)


but i had pretty ones and couldnt be fucked integrating. add em back up :) --xoxo 09:29, 18 August 2008 (BST)

read the page rules!!! --xoxo 09:40, 18 August 2008 (BST)

re: re: News and building status reports

I apologize if my post was too biased, I was just trying to add some dramatic flair to an otherwise average report. I did however did try to represent the facts that the RRF attempted using X:00 tatics break into the Ackland mall and were thrown out by Axes High/Crimson Clan/zom/AMS after many casualties albeit with a lot of dramatization. I admit I have been reading Ron Burgundy's userpage a bit too much. --Karec 21:01, 13 August 2008 (BST)

Thanks for the Yagoton Suburb Updates!

I appreciate seeing them, espcially since you seem to try make sure your posts are impartial and apply to the NPOV! --MorthBabid 09:59, 11 August 2008 (BST)

Suggestions Page

I'm trying to get more involved and learn how to do things. I figured I'd ask you about this, doesn't firedancers Throwing Items count as being spammed? He provided 3 links himself, and they were voted as duped by about 6 people. Can it be cycled? And how precisely do I do that? - Tylerisfat 05:01, 8 August 2008 (BST)

Alright, thanks. I'm just sort of trying to find an area I can be of help with. It took me about 5 seconds to do the mall status updates on the job queue, and it was the only thing I could figure out. :) - Tylerisfat 05:22, 8 August 2008 (BST)
And I found a few places. Since you'll probably be the one to notice any suckiness, could you check out the format revision that I've done for the suggestion page? SuggestionsTemplate - tylerisfat 19:40, 8 August 2008 (BST)


some of the users who got flamed recently on Talk:Suggestions stood back from it all and realised where the people who were attacking were coming from, because for the most part there was a context for the flames...

I just wanted to say, that now that I've spent some more time on the wiki and the suggestions page, and seen some of the suggestions that come through there, I'm one of the ones who understands where you are coming from. My suggestion was pretty bad, and I deserved to get flamed. So I'm apologizing for the bad suggestion, and for deleting that section on your talk page about it.

And I also want to say, I'm still not a member of SA :) --JaredTalk Aces C-Kids 03:46, 7 August 2008 (BST)

You're apologizing for him trolling you? What is wrong with this kid...WanYao is a professional troll. Don't let him wear ye down. Ioncannon11 03:49, 7 August 2008 (BST)
And yet it is you who is banned from most IRC channels because you run in and start spamming "FUCK" and calling people names without provocation. What do you say to that, hmm? --The Grimch U! E! 04:18, 7 August 2008 (BST)
LOOOL... you're a funny guy, ioncannon. Actually... No. You're not. That's the REALLY sad thing about it. --WanYao 04:35, 7 August 2008 (BST)
...As he trolls your talk page... - Tylerisfat 05:23, 8 August 2008 (BST)
I trolled his, though. Big time. With giant sized emo hearts. :P But, he's the one got himself a month long ban, with a possible perma for sockpuppeting. Now quit trolling my talk page and go flame my beer and wine stains suggestion. --WanYao 05:26, 8 August 2008 (BST)

Suggestions Fun!

"Actually, this vote was leaning more towards a response to Grim's statement here: Yet another example of clear bias affecting a decent suggestion negatively. than anything else. You can kinda say it popped a nerve, considering that I can count on one hand many times when he himself didn't vote on the merit of a suggestion, nor many of the rest of us here. But I won't get any further into that. My apologies if it seemed directed at you." Wasn't sure if you received this message from me or not. Incidentally, you were right in pointing out that I may have gone a little overboard with the rant about, ironically, drama in the suggestions side of the wiki, and for that I apologize. --Private Mark 03:57, 6 August 2008 (BST)


Don't tell me about spamming the news page and then you go post a comment to a user, something frowned on by the community. So, why the sudden hypocritisy. :D--Jakezing 15:28, 5 August 2008 (BST)

Yeah, I stretched the rules somewhat... However, while I'm a firm supporter NPOV, I also am cool with some "stretching" of the rules. Always have been, still am. However... My post contained useful and relevant information. Which yours did not. And... when I need to remove a news post -- especially one that contains relevant and important information -- I usually move it to the Talk page. Which you did not do... Talk about hypocrisy etc etc blah blah... Smarten up, Darkmagic. Leik, fer REALZ. --WanYao 17:13, 5 August 2008 (BST)
Problem fixed the way it admittedly should have been in the first place. You mention that people frown upon direct comments to other users in the News, eh? Well... Fair enough. But then you wholesale deleted a News post that contained -- admittedly along with NPOV direct commentary to a user -- useful and important information. This is also frowned upon, very strongly, sir. Standard procedure is to move such posts to the Talk page. --WanYao 17:33, 5 August 2008 (BST)
Oh yeah.. install a fucking spell-checker, you cretin. Sorry... had to get that out... ;P --WanYao 17:34, 5 August 2008 (BST)
This is the only reason i like wikipedia over user made wikis.--Jakezing 19:35, 5 August 2008 (BST)
What are you on about??? Anyway, Darkmagic, I may be being jerkish about it... okay... But I am also providing legitimate critiques that it would probably be in your best interest to follow. Specifically regarding the news. You efforts to help out and contribute are noted and appreciated -- but why not try to do it properly, so the efforts aren't wasted?? Also, people who don't have a grasp of basic spelling and grammar are rarely taken seriously. You really ought to work on these things: Firefox has an add-on that underlines mistakes, consider using it... It might help in you not getting jumped on so much... --WanYao 19:43, 5 August 2008 (BST)


Sorry, kinda disappeared on you. Anything interesting happened? I see the same old Grim misconduct and vandal drama, nuttin' much. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:43, 3 August 2008 (BST)

I guess, yeah ... ;) --WanYao 09:04, 3 August 2008 (BST)

Okay whatever

You're a douchebag. Ioncannon11 12:17, 5 August 2008 (BST)

You just conceded: I've got a bigger douchebag than you! I win!!! Nyah nyah nyah nyah!!! However, you're a fucking idiot... So I win on TWICE! Nyah nyah NYAH NYAH NYAH!!! lol. --WanYao 12:21, 5 August 2008 (BST)
Now... I've had some fun mocking you... But I have no intention of going back to your Talk page... And I want YOU off MY Talk page, from now on. Capiche? Good. --WanYao 12:22, 5 August 2008 (BST)

Talk:Suggestions Page

Is there a reason you removed that template I placed on the page warning users that people would troll them on there? Is there an even better reason for your snarky comment in the summary line? I'm just curious why you decided that didn't belong there and was vandalism. What have you been doing to maintain that page again (other than your venomous trolling)? --– Nubis NWO 16:42, 30 July 2008 (BST)


You mentioned SA on the Talk:Suggestions page. What are they? A wiki search redirects to the Soviet Army. (By the way, I am not a member, whatever they are.) --JaredTalk SPA CK 18:23, 26 July 2008 (BST)

LOOOL. Do you even play UD??? It doesn't seem like it from that suggestion... Ever left the green suburbs long enough to have heard of the Dead? Something Awful and the Goons? Look it up. --WanYao 18:26, 26 July 2008 (BST)
Ok, thanks, bye. I don't intend to give you any more opportunities to insult me (baselessly, I might add.) --JaredTalk SPA CK 18:33, 26 July 2008 (BST)
Sorry but anyone who'd actually suggest making Brain Rot toggle-switchable certainly deserves abuse and mockery. Sheeesh. --WanYao 18:39, 26 July 2008 (BST)
Bahaha, and this whole time I thought SA meant "Something Arbitrary" how foolish of me.[/sarcasm] --Safetyinnumbers 18:44, 26 July 2008 (BST)

Suggestions page and the like

Sorry to sound like a pissy trencher or something. I don't want to stretch this out longer, but I want to be understood. I honestly didn't think i was responding to criticism defensively, I was honestly trying to get people specific opinions. Swiers was pointing out tactical reasons why it wouldn't work. I didn't know those tactics, so I questioned it. This is an idea I thought about, not for days, but for long enough that i knew i wasn't finding what was wrong with it, so i put it on the discussion page. I didn't suggest it, i'm not going to suggest it. I get that it doesn't work now that i get other perspectives, but I didn't think the things that are flawed with it would come into play, because my way of play hasn't had me deal with a situation where this change would cause a problem. I don't think i reacted in some crazy way to peoples criticisms, i just got pissed at the people using rationality that made no sense. I get that its a broken idea, i just don't appreciate the comments on intelligence that really have no base.Tylerisfat 08:56, 26 July 2008 (BST)


Cannot take place before the suggestion has been up for six hours. This applies even to the really retarded ones. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 18:45, 25 July 2008 (BST)

Meeeeeeeeeeh ... I didn't even look at the timestamp ... --WanYao 00:31, 26 July 2008 (BST)

Divas la Revolution

They're up for historical voting. Hope my preamble does them justice. --Sir Bob Fortune RR 18:59, 24 July 2008 (BST)


Your absence from IRC is as a blast of icy wind against my unsheilded nether regions. While this problem would be easily solved with pants, i have little interest in finding them. --The Grimch U! E! 14:32, 24 July 2008 (BST)


Dude, I fully agree with you that the wiki is broken as regards many things, however I believe the strategy you propose on the A/A page is wrong and will only lead to further breakage.

Just my thoughts though. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 22:46, 22 July 2008 (BST)

That's exactly the point. Expose the holes. Tear them WIDE OPEN. And storm inside. And make a big fucking mess. GRAAAAAAAAGH! --WanYao 22:50, 22 July 2008 (BST)
I tried that, especially on the Vandalism page. Doesn't work, cause them to cement the breaks with "Sysops may ignore policy when acting in good faith for the wiki". Admittedly the biggest proponent of that is gone, but I think the way to go is to work with individuals in the system. I actually hold out great hope for Grim's tenure as Bureaucrat. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 22:55, 22 July 2008 (BST)
the Admin team, taken collectively, is like those survivors who stand and die in malls and who walk into unransacked buildings and shoot zombies but can't be arsed to heal or barricade or anything. There seems to be no talking to sense to them, they don't seem to learn... So, it all about exacerbating the crisis, and pushing it to the edge Lev Trotsky style... And with J3D and Grim as our "entryist candidates"? ;P Actually, truth be told, I can't be arsed to wage a big war, but I will be there, groaning and biting... --WanYao 22:59, 22 July 2008 (BST)
Groaning and biting is fun. Also I like to consider Karek on the side of reason as well. -- To know the face of God is to know madness....Praise knowledge! Mischief! Mayhem! The Rogues Gallery!. <== DDR Approved Editor 23:08, 22 July 2008 (BST)
And isn't it ironic that our resident SA sysop going all ban-hammery and authoritarian-like versus someone making some jokes and "protesting" the fucked-up-ed-ness of the wiki? And accusing me of looking like a 2-year-old brat! Interesting... teh ironing, oh teh ironing... :P --WanYao 01:08, 23 July 2008 (BST)

A/PT#Dunell_Hills_Barricade_Plan --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:23, 23 July 2008 (BST)

I can read instructions!

Really, I can. ;D See? (Am just very used to the [+] button, by the way, hence the misfile last time.)

Anyway! Just wanted to let you know that I have finally fallen prey to XIII. That didn't take long at all! XD Well done, folks.

Peter E Jarry said "You say pinkgothic? Well... we approve of your fashion sense. But you serve wrong master! Serve La Mort! Or learn to fear and tremble before XIII!" (38 seconds ago)

*giggles and shambles to revive point* <3 -pinkgothic 23:00, 18 July 2008 (BST)


Is IRC down for you as well? I cant get into anything of Jorm's at the moment and wonder if anyone else is having the same problem. --The Grimch U! E! 13:18, 18 July 2008 (BST)


i iz beta den you :)--xoxo 03:35, 18 July 2008 (BST)

oh also - since a/pm is getting a tad crowded i'll respond to your response here. i know groups can and do get deleted however provided you make the effort to make a 'group' seem legitimate and edit it on more than one occasion basically it can stay forever. --xoxo 03:44, 18 July 2008 (BST)


Hey, thanks for the head's up. I didn't realise that's considered POV here. :) -pinkgothic 18:42, 13 July 2008 (BST)

Haha, awesome. Well, you can always chew on me for a snack or put some bullets into me, I'm perfectly happy-go-lucky about that. XD Death cultism is fun. I'd probably be going that way if I had the time to roleplay Urban Dead, but alas... :) *tips hat to* I commend you for an excellent choice of colours! ;D -pinkgothic 19:40, 13 July 2008 (BST)


Thanks for your re: I agree with you, not going to the talk page was probably a dumb idea on my part & a thick skin is heavily required. I was more confused about the spams than kills, but maybe thats my misinterpretation of the spam "word usage," i mean a get it but then again maybe not. I still disagree with you that my idea is bad - perhaps my implementation is poor and needs revising, since there are glaring errors in AP/XP retribution or maybe they were things that I thought would happen, but I left them in my head - rather than on the page, as I thought they would be ass-u-me-d. With me? Anywho, I will port over that topic to talk and hopefully you can continue to help me develop it and we can hash it out a bit more there. Thanks!--Ashcorvin1 17:38, 11 July 2008 (BST)


I WUB JOU LAWNG TIEM!!! <3 <3 <3 --/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 03:00, 8 July 2008 (BST)

Well, I'm very flattered. And underneath that crusty and cynical exterior I can tell you're really very sweet. However, I'm really only looking to date local girls; the long distance thing is a no-go. I'm very sorry. I'm sure you'll find someone who's right for you. --WanYao 05:33, 8 July 2008 (BST)
I've tried... But GioV isn't good for long term, and Anime hates me... and lastly, Grim ignored me!!! D: --/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 03:54, 9 July 2008 (BST)

Zambah Gurls is EZ

heading that way now... watch out for Ben, just make sure you are not "non-discript" Those guys spook Ben and make him think he is surrounded by zombies! --Honestmistake 00:50, 5 July 2008 (BST)

Ben Jammin is my Trenchie semi-death cultist. Nice chap, unless he finds hiself surrounded by the none discript!
  • "Smartly dressed in all black clothing he has more guns than any one person should be allowed! Ben has tasted death and has no intention of feasting on brains ever again... The non-descript should be wary of him!"

As I say... mostly harmless (except on wednesday's) --Honestmistake 01:23, 5 July 2008 (BST) Well I got to St Joachims... sadly i got ate in the bank 2 blocks North so am stood on the doorstep looking stoopid :( How far away are you and do you have a spare needle? --Honestmistake 09:58, 7 July 2008 (BST)

Don't get me wrong; i don't mind being a zambah... it just makes it hard to say hello ;)--Honestmistake 00:46, 8 July 2008 (BST)


I watched this video yesterday for some canadian beer that was just going on about canada. made me think of you :) Apparently they got bought by a us beer and had to stop running the Also, you've probably been asked this 1000 times but why isn't it called canadia?--xoxo 01:21, 5 July 2008 (BST)

Sandbox Revolution

dont take it too seriously, its just a joke counter group. --Scotw 20:12, 3 July 2008 (BST)

I know... But I am adamant about stuff like "colour" not "color" and "defence" not "defense" :)

Dunell Hills

I wasn't taking a shot at COMBAT REVIVE. Just pointing out that the closest thing to a survivor victory this year in Dunell Hills wasn't from the DHPD. And I'm not whining about anyone being out to get me. We're out to get each other. Humans call for other humans, I groan for other zombies, you shoot, we eat. That's the game. If you think I've got the facts wrong on any of this, my ears are open. Mahalo. -The Malton Globetrotters#XX - Jack Sparta TMG 18:16, 30 June 2008 (BST)


I share your sentiments man, I wish it would stop too... but for every inch we give them they take a mile. They tried breaking into our forum and attacking us personally and even did vandalism on user and group pages. We've been picking our battles and I'm really glad there's a voice of reason around, Thanks man. But seriously, It'd be cool to have you visit our forums... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 22:26, 27 June 2008 (BST)

WanYao, I'm registering with beerhah, so we can better work together on whatever your boys got cookin in the DMZ.

If you could come to the DHPD forum so we can better correspond, I would appreciate it. Also, we can give you the proper hazin- err... I mean welcome... *whistles innocently* --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 22:20, 1 July 2008 (BST)

The Most Dangerous Zombie

Even though the credit for ransacking and killing survivors go to other zombies in Pimbank, I was the one who lured them all in. I destroyed the already weakened barricades to the Nuttall Museum and then went in and began to moan and kill. It seems to have worked very well, too. Evidently this is probably my first victory in conquering Malton. And also, please don't punch the stuffed monkey in the corner. --Arcology 19:13, 27 June 2008 (BST)

La la la

Mmm, shattering hopes and dreams. Nyet, I'm not coming back, though I suppose I could stop by this wiki filled with dusty memories and zealous users occasionally. And what's this about you stealing rat jokes? Huh?!--Lachryma 19:33, 26 June 2008 (BST)

So you are standing on the shoulders of giants? Fascinating. So anything earth-shattering happen in Malton lately, or has it been the same old zombie song and dance?--Lachryma 20:22, 27 June 2008 (BST)


Nice to know that you finally found the truth... :D --/~Rakuen~\Talk Domo.gif I Still Love Grim 19:15, 26 June 2008 (BST)

George Carlin Template

Carlin.jpg This User Mourns for Carlin
" 'Older' sounds a little better than 'old,' doesn't it? Sounds like it might even last a little longer. ... I'm getting old. And it's OK. Because thanks to our fear of death in this country I won't have to die - I'll 'pass away.' Or I'll 'expire,' like a magazine subscription. If it happens in the hospital they'll call it a 'terminal episode.' The insurance company will refer to it as 'negative patient care outcome.' And if it's the result of malpractice they'll say it was a 'therapeutic misadventure.' "

Keep this is you want - I made it after you told me about George Carlin's "passing away" from a "terminal episode." At least he didn't die. --Tselita 18:18, 26 June 2008 (BST)

You can take our lives, but you can never take OUR TEMPLATES!

I-want-you.jpg Play on Names
This user received a template with his likeness. Get it?
I, WanYao.
I Want You.
Not in -that- way.
The Uncle Sam Military way.

Congratulations WanYao. I was bored. So you benefit from my boredom by getting a Play on Names template. Enjoy. --Tselita 01:34, 26 June 2008 (BST)

O_O !!! that doesn't translate off IRC, but oh well...

Please go to and vote Keep so that the Grimch doesn't try to delete the template I made for you (and others). Thank you. --Tselita 13:12, 27 June 2008 (BST)

Curious about your abitration case.

I'd understand if you declined to answer. But I'm just curious about your case. I noticed that the barricade plan seemed to have stabilized in a zombie plan, official plan, and locked down plan even before the protection. So my question is, is that unacceptable? If so, what makes it so? It's obviously tongue in cheek, but the last version seems "neutral" enough. Again, this is just for my own personal edification/curiosity. If you consider it any kind of imposition, please delete this and think nothing more of it. Thanks.--Jack's Cold Sweat 05:35, 24 June 2008 (BST)

The current version says something about the DHPD plan being of "historical interest" only... This is a backhanded attempt by the Dead to slight the DHPD and to propagandise themselves and is thus not NPOV. Meanwhile, there was nothing wrong with my previous edit which was something I literally swiped right off the Ridleybank wiki and changed the names involved. I made every effort to create a neutral page. Which Capt Schwartz edit-warred quite blatantly with me over. All said and done, Capt Schwartz appears to have made only a token gesture towards pseudo-NPOV and in reality just wants to take passive-aggressive shots at his group's declared enemy in Dunnel Hills. And, if you read the full history, you'll see Capt. Schwartz' blatantly offensive edits to the page... which he removed... but which IMO further demonstrate that his intent is passive aggressively disruptive, not constructive. And I have no problem with your question, in fact -- I thank you, you've helped me formulate my arguments for the Arby case. ;P --WanYao 06:18, 24 June 2008 (BST)
Actually, mea culpa on one point: it seems CS may have removed the DHPD ARE BIG FAGGOTS comment rather than have written it? Can't really tell one way or another, though, whether that was some kind of underhanded edit, or an actual revert. --WanYao 06:41, 24 June 2008 (BST)
Ah, well cheers then, glad to be of service. And thank you. :)--Jack's Cold Sweat 06:51, 24 June 2008 (BST)

Open Door comments

Just making sure I read something correctly, you feel (and apparnetly Boxy feels as well) that the repair part of the suggestion should probably be removed, and just keep the Open doors making body dumping possible should be implemented? --Tselita 16:54, 23 June 2008 (BST)

i think so ... i haven't looked at that since i flamed grim, cuz i haven't wanted to get into the drama again....
When I take it to voting, I'll probably remove the repair part then. It seems to be where most of the contention is regarding the suggestion. --Tselita 01:33, 24 June 2008 (BST)


Ok, sure, you do what you think is best. I have to admit I didn't really read through it... ;-) I'll try to help out where I can --Nitro378 T JNL 08:36, 23 June 2008 (BST)


Fucking hell. Your attitude stinks. We don't see eye to eye on a point in an article, and you immediately come onto my talk page swearing and threatening arby? Fuck you. People can work together on a page, you know, collaborate to make it better, but if you automatically revert anyone elses changes and swear at them, that isn't going to happen. Fine, it's not important. But your fucking attitude is shit. Keep the fuck off my talk page until you've got the ants out of your vagina. Garum 11:57, 22 June 2008 (BST)

You unilaterally change the page. I revert it back. You change it AGAIN to your old edits. You justify your cocnerns and your edit. I make an edit that, I believed, addresses your concerns. Then you edit the page again. And you accuse me of having a bad attitude? Because I am pissed at your pedantry??? No. You get a grip. --WanYao 12:12, 22 June 2008 (BST)

Good thing to reflect upon

Wan, I know we haven't frequently seen eye to eye, and I usually come off as trying to intentionally be contrary, but what you said on Nubis' page does make sense. Axe has told me the same thing - that I should just stop letting them get to me and stop responding to what they say. I know I let them -easily- goad me into arguments and I really should just ignore them - it tends to be hard for me to do so though when they persist, because I don't like it to look like I'm backing down. I'm going to try to ignore it when they taunt me more often though.

Okay, got that off my chest. Thank you for being the voice of reason there. I'm going to stop responding to what they say on their user pages about me - I guess the best way to let someone grief you is to let them see it's working and I've been falling for it repeatedly. --Tselita 00:05, 19 June 2008 (BST)


Thanks for the reply. I love it how hard line rule following is far more important on this wiki then relevance. I mean the author could reply saying fuck you you shit head bitch and it'd stay, but a useful reply like that will probably get struck. We live in desperate times...and why aren't you irc?--xoxo 10:07, 3 June 2008 (BST)

Cuz I should be sleeping. Therefore I am hiding from IRC. Logical? Never said it was... ;P And, I moved the comment to the Talk page because, yeah, some prig would probably strike it... --WanYao 10:09, 3 June 2008 (BST)
Yeah since i last archived i became pro-own talk page reply. It makes wiki-stalking people's conversations so much easier. the whole do unto others thing...--xoxo 10:12, 3 June 2008 (BST)

I'm really srry

I wasn't trying to purposly kill ya alt in st. alex the other day. All i wanted to do was hit ya with a newspaper and tell ya to behave. My comp seemed to have stalled and stopped the menu. Reason why i dumped you was if ya rose ya'd have prob gotten killed again. Stand him up and i'll revive him and let ya kill me in return. The only people i try to PK are members of the LNTV Crue, a PK group that griefs us. Again srry for the killing. Drop a note on my talk page--Dragon fang 07:32, 3 June 2008 (BST)

Zombie XP Cost thing

In case you don't see it on the suggestion talk page, repeating it here. No WanYao, I wasn't referring to you as the person pushing buttons. I was referring to others. --Tselita 20:31, 27 May 2008 (BST)

Wan Yao pushes only his own buttons!!! Oh... uhm... that didn't come out quite right... uuuuuhmm -- moi

My apologies..

to the fine zambahs of the MOB.. Omnus is one of our more...colourful members. We've tried every treatment imaginable with that one. Car Battery Shock Treatment, the Tube and Funnel of pilly fun, sock puppet shows, jingle keys, tying him up in the basement and leaving him in solid darkness for a few days on end.. and nothing seems to work. He's also a regular Houdini and flees our loving care facilities on an almost day-to-day basis. We'll try to right his wrongs in the future. xoxox ~ --Morgueasm 19:05, 27 May 2008 (BST)

Sadly, his "good RP fun" bordered on text rape... -- moi
That was far, far from text rape. I despise text rapists and am currently hunting one down repeatedly until he learns to stay far far away from Roftwood. That's typical smack talk. Infact it's mild compared to the things my PKer says. Maybe you're the one who takes this game too seriously.--Omegaomnus 06:37, 28 May 2008 (BST)
I'd have to disagree on the text-rape thing as it's not like he gangbanged you with his banana, Wan. But I don't want to let this spoil any sort of zombie/food relationship we may have in the future. I liked the MOB enough to join 'em after I was eaten.. don't let what one person considers fun ruin the fun that could be had elsewhere. Just add him to your list and ignore him. *shrug* --Morgueasm 16:53, 29 May 2008 (BST)
Ignore lists, yes, sure... But I do know I'm not the only one who felt his "trash talk" was over the top. And there is a big difference between using a humourous fruit allegory in a sexually suggestive manner versus explicitly describing sexual functions and content. The comments were not funny, they were not some kind of ironic RP "fun", and I don't care if that's how jocko macho assholes talk to each other in the locker room: in real life I avoid people who think that bullshit is "funny"... and call 'em on it, if I am exposed to it, as well, I'm funny that way, I guess... Anyway, ignore list, yeah, sure... Ciao... --WanYao 22:34, 29 May 2008 (BST)

Dear Mr. Wan Yao

As president of Umbrella it is not my job to make up lies or spread propaganda for the soul purpose of the corporations gain, because we have a whole cell responsible for that. In Ridleybank we had an operation, now we have had operatives down there for quite some time from one of our platoons and the U.B.C.S. For you and others to completely disregard our presence as merely trying to steal the spotlight is a complete fallacy. Just because we put our name and not the other survivor groups listed in people names does not make us crooks, I am sure you don't go around the suburb clicking every single persons name just to find out what group they are in and then click their forums to see how long they have been there. So you can blame me for not giving credit where credits due but I am not going to try and research for something like this. We had an operation and completed it, I didn't go out and say, "Only thanks to Umbrella this suburb is now safe." or something cloche like that, so stop attacking me like I did. Please edit your rudeness as this is obviously a misunderstanding. We want the support of Survivors not the image of an evil corporation, (even though we are) that is why we have so many allies because we seek them. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Sincerely, Umbrella Corporation President, --Jackson 22:48, 27 May 2008 (BST)

All it takes is a perusal of the Ridley News, and a tiny bit of knowledge about recent Malton "history," to know who's been in Ridley since the start of the "reclamation". And... apparently I am far from the only one who took offence with what was widely seen as a usurpation of the credit for getting Ridleybank safe (Excusion III notwithstanding). And, furthermore... can't you fekkin' read? new comments at the top, please, sheeeeesh... --moi
However... I was out of line. It's been removed.

Imperiuum Must Die

That is a community page so anyone can edit it, it must also be NOV. If he wanted to make a properganda page he should have done it in his groups namespace.--Thekooks 19:38, 17 May 2008 (BST)

Arguing and edit-conflicting over the definition of "invasion" is wholly pedantic. Let it be, man... This is a fucking GAME already... And if GL wants to take it all waaaaaaaaay too seriously, well why not let him? And... for all intents and purposes it WAS an invasion: a bunch of outsiders came in and started killing locals... Okay, maybe it was a TERRORIST attack... But hey if such distinctions are over George Bush's head, they can be over the wiki's head... ;p In any event, the whole fucking page is a joke and IMNSHO can't be made NPOV. EVAR. It needs to be scrapped or as you said made into a group subpage. --WanYao 19:47, 17 May 2008 (BST)

Open Discussion about Sysops

WanYao said:
No - Cyberbob is a stupid prick... But he's right this one time. --WanYao 12:41, 15 May 2008 (BST)

Huh? I'm confused. --ZsL 19:03, 15 May 2008 (BST)

Grim's open discussion

It's just me or you just voted both sides on the Boxy header? --Starplatinum 14:41, 15 May 2008 (BST)

Yup... I went in and did a bunch of voting, including changing a couple and fucked up. Thanks for catching it.
Weird... Funt did the same on AHLG... ;P --WanYao 14:56, 15 May 2008 (BST)

Shore Hills Barricade Plan

Hello, it seems the Barricade Plan for Shore Hills you recently published contains a small error: While Towning Street [35, 57] (not being a building) is marked EHB, the Carslake Towers [35, 58] below are not marked at all. The "EH" tag probably just ended up in the wrong block. Would be nice if you could fix that. Regards, G F J 18:20, 10 May 2008 (BST)

not my work... i merely cleaned up the suburb's wiki page... --WanYao 19:17, 10 May 2008 (BST)

300 worse than Waterworld?

WTF? Waterworld was way worse than 300. For one thing, it had Kevin Costner in it. If Kevin Costner was in 300 then maybe I'd agree with you --Barton 18:15, 9 May 2008 (BST)

Holy Nercomancy Batman ... In any event I vaguely remember saying this, but not where or in what context... bottom line is that 300 is garbage. Atrocious acting, worse dialogue... bizarre closeted homoeroticism, overt racism and pathetic (though typical, sigh...) Yankee imperialist jingoism... And totally erroneous history. Hell, even the fight scenes were like some teched-up wannabe Shogun Assassin movie set in ancient Greece... I'd rather the samurai splatter schtick originals, thank you... Anyway, Waterworld sucks, yup -- but I don't hear people screaming THIS IS WATERWORLD!!!!!!! everywhere...

And... Sparta institutionalised homosexuality in its army. This is a fact. I'm not homophobic at all... But I wonder about the legions of shreaking FOR SPARTA!!! freaks... How'd they'd feel knowing that half the reason these men fought so hard (no pun intended, but accepted) ) was because they were fighting alongside their lovers... Read Plato, he adopts the Spartan attitude towards homosexuality in the military... Or whether they "got" the all weeeeeird homoerotic imagery and visual suggestiveness in the movie... or got off on it, hmmmmnnnn?? --WanYao 19:13, 10 May 2008 (BST)


Hey. I know we've gotten off on the wrong foot with each other in the past and I'd like to bury the hatchet (not literally). I'm sending stuff like this to a few people (not everyone I've been in an argument with, but ones who I think the arguments could have been avoided), because I don't think people should get so worked up over a wiki, and I'd like to be more sociable with you in the future. Thanks in advance. --Tselita 20:38, 8 May 2008 (BST)


Yo, thanks for making a NPOV version of my post. I tried to make it NPOV myself but as I was under alot of pressure IRL that proved to be a very daunting task. again, thanks. The man 19:22, 8 May 2008 (BST)

UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/NPOV#Voting Section

! --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:12, 1 May 2008 (BST)

Your Great Fire Category deletion vote

Is ridiculous. You complain about category spam "delete - erm why should this category exist, and be tagged onto locations? down with category spam. period." yet for no apparent reason you've added your sandbox to the category. Was that purely to undermine the case so others would see how junk filled the category was? Or perhaps i'm being unfair and there is a legitimate explaination like the page used to have Great Fire stuff on it and you simply overlooked removing the category...--xoxo 02:59, 16 April 2008 (BST)

yeah fair enough...did seem awful dodgy to me though...--xoxo 10:31, 19 April 2008 (BST)
rolls eyes... and wonders why he's wasting valuable vacation time on wiki drama... hmmmnn... --WanYao 20:09, 21 April 2008 (BST)
Oh come on! I flick through to see whats in the category and there's WanYao's sandbox! What was i s'pose to think? And enjoy the holiday, if you need to relax try ALiM ;) --xoxo 05:13, 22 April 2008 (BST)
It was an accident, an oversight, sheesh. I'll delete this silly thread later... :PP --WanYao 17:41, 24 April 2008 (BST)

Re: POV in suburb news sections

I'm not exactly sure what to do when fixing this, and I thought I'd ask you, since your infamous for it. Do I remove the POV material from the news post and leave the facts as they are or do I just delete the whole post? Or move it to the talk page? Or do something I didn't think of? Thanks in advance. -Ornithopter (Talk | contribs) 04:38, 12 April 2008 (BST)

editing someone else's post is impersonation, so don't do that. The best action to take (if you feel you must remove the news that is informing people and doing no one any harm) then always copy it to the talk page and delete it from the main page.--xoxo 02:57, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Many apologies

Allow me to apologise for jumping off the handle at you. I obviously don't know who is in what groups, and I don't stalk you so I don't really know what you do (I had a quick glance through your contribs before voting). Thankyou for your courteous reply and explanation, and once again, sorry for the knee-jerk reaction. Jonny12 talk 23:31, 10 April 2008 (BST)

Dear Wan

I know we do not get along in this place, but I will swallow a little pride because I do want to enlighten you on a few of my positions within this wiki, just to clear a few things up, so that even if we disagree in the future, we can respect each others reasoning. I though I would take this initiative before throwing my weight into any more contests concerning the 2 Cool (edit: yes I am in the BBK with them, but they truly do have alter egos when it comes to Wiki editing) group. Look, I do not belong to the group, nor do I want to, they are a bit gay to be honest, but I must let you know that I do see what they are trying to do here. Their efforts are a little misguided, I will be the first to agree on that, and sometimes it feels that they are making pages for the sake of creating drama. Now, the reason I throw myself so heavily into these Arkham issues, is that I know both these users on a personal, real life basis. One is actually a very close friend of mine. When I hear about their bright ideas, it frustrates me to see people like Finis come along and post their pages for deletion just to cause drama. If Finis leaves these pages alone, they go unnoticed until they reach their final stages, or even a more constructed version of their current status. The first thing that gets me cut is that Finis scurries away to his lie-filled user page, feeling all content with what he has caused, while everyone else is left to debate over their possessions, so to speak. Of course they are going to defend their pages with everything they have, it's human nature. I step in here because I feel like they are already pigeonholed into this ideal that they are only out to cause trouble. This is totally not true, they constantly work with the ALiM page, working on it all the time. They have recently taken steps to make it seem more official as it has gained popularity and they want to show people they are not just idiots. I am just a protective person. It's in my nature, and when I see people I know getting bullied by big bad sysops, I really feel like I need to have my two cents worth. I know that this makes me become one of them, but I guess I am. I know we seem like little pricks, but really we are just here to have a little fun and our personalities lead us to detest the people who want to make this place so grey and dull when it has the full potential to be full of excitement and a great advertiser for the game.

I know our past with Finis has meant that we are seen on his level, but you have to understand that we learnt a LONG time ago that he is never going to reach puberty, and will always sit behind his keyboard getting highs of the reactions he pulls from people. (Even there, it looks like im seriously pissed at him, but I am truly not) we have just learnt the only way to have fun with Finis is to rip on him, and watch his whole world fill with glee at the attention. The comments we make to him now, are totally in a jovial nature. 100% Jocular, as thats the only way to enjoy Finis. Sometimes we fly off the handle and he does get to us, but that is only because we cannot understand the motives of someone like this. Why does someone want to continually create drama for us... I hope that has cleared the whole Finis fiasco up.

As far as my intentions on this wiki go, I never want to be considered someone who does tireless effort for the betterment of this wonderful wiki. I want to enjoy it, because it is a great addition to my favourite game. It sucks because we have been predetermined into this silly role on the wiki, and nothing we now say is taken seriously. I hope you can step into our shoes and imagine what it is like to be a user on the bad side of the most active sysops. Once they hate you, theres only one way back, and some of us seasoned debaters (as I can tell you are) have a hard time swallowing pride to those of virtual authority, especially when they know their contributions would be seen in a different light considering the circumstances. Half the reason these battles escalate so far and become so personal is because they really feel personal. Like the case is being dealt with a certain way, different to how it usually would.

We all just want to have our contributions heard and understood. Wan, I respect what you do (sometimes..haha), and I hope that this ridiculously long message sheds some light and hopefully mends some bridges burnt in previous posts. Geez, Sucking up your pride is hard to do.--CyberRead240 17:52, 10 April 2008 (BST)

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Appreciate it, and I hope we can get along a bit more in the future.--CyberRead240 14:14, 11 April 2008 (BST)


UDWiki:Administration/Promotions#User:WanYao here I think you will make a good adition to the team, even if we dont see eye to eye on certain things, I do beleive you see the wiki as it should be. And its not like you don't already do a heck of a lot of what some Mods do anyway. Conndrakamod TDHPD CFT 18:16, 8 April 2008 (BST)

Following up... As a MOD you wouldn't be required to do anything more than you are doing now and would have a few more resources to do what would needed to be done. If you feel the need you can even avoid certain areas of MOD responsibility (Vandal Banning, for one can be a slippery slope). I woould look at the various policies (past and presently being discussed) however, and let people know where you would have stood on various issues. Conndrakamod TDHPD CFT 20:19, 9 April 2008 (BST)

My AP suggestion and zerging

WanYao said:
Some of us... consider the last sentence something called multi-abuse. As I said... your suggestion encourages zerging... as, apparently, do you personally. Goooong! Next, please.

WanYao, I'm curious why you consider that zerging. You have 2 characters, but they are at different, random locations, one character gets abandoned almost immediately, and they never attack the same target (they don't get the chance.) Have I overlooked something? In any case my suggestion (flawed as it may be) was intended to prevent this. --Explodey 11:55, 8 April 2008 (BST)

DHPD Deletions Stuff

Let me demonstrate what I wrote in another way:

I agree with you on the points you made, and I think this illustration is a good solution. --ZsL 20:51, 4 April 2008 (BST)

Put my reply to your comment in the appropriate spot; but the reason I'm writing here is that I wished to apologize for misspelling your name. I've been trying not to typo on it, but I guess I missed one. My sincere apologies... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 07:52, 9 April 2008 (BST)


I responded to your concerns about walkie talkies, and look forward to you reply. Thanks--Airborne88Zzz1.JPGT|Z.Quiz|PSS 01:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Dude, I am not "Mad or upset" w/you. You are entitled to your opinions. It is just a suggestion..--Airborne88Zzz1.JPGT|Z.Quiz|PSS 08:57, 30 March 2008 (BST)
No it's not! All suggestions are like precious cute little kittens.... ;P --WanYao 13:39, 30 March 2008 (BST)
I haven't written on your talk page for awhile, so hows teh arbies going?--xoxo 09:01, 31 March 2008 (BST)


Well, since we've getting plenty of chances to learn by doing these days, it's not surprising we decided to share the good word. As we both know, it's all pretty obvious after you spend a lot of time in dead zones. The actual sense of zombie apocalypse makes the game more fun.

Oh, I always meant to thank you for your many suburb news updates, they're generally the most reliable. Cheers.--Nuabreed 00:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


Watch where you're aiming the editing gun next time, okay? :D -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 13:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't be sorry mate, I was just throwing a bit o' flak at ya'. :P -- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 18:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Thekooks vs WanYao.--Karekmaps?! 10:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

What on earth do you think taht you're doing?

Why did you delete all of the information for March 22nd 2008 on the Dulston wiki page? Most of it was in fact relevant to the situation, and in fact news. From what I can see from below, you appear to enjoy doing this and destroying the wiki. Yonnua Koponen 21:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Cross-posted for Clarity. Read this before complaining about News deletions.

People are posting blatant POV and tactical/planning information to the News. The News is supposed to be neutral reportage. It is not a place for either side to coordinate tactical responses. Or propagandise (emphasis added). That's for forums, in-game communications and/or the suburb talk pages. The posts I deleted were not appropriate NPOV News items, and if you disagree... well... take it to abry? --WanYao 22:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok... I'll move the POV stuff to the Talk pages... where it's fine... rather than deleting it. That, I am going to admit, is what I ought to have been doing... It is my hope that this compromise will work for you. --WanYao 22:08, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Much better, but taht stuff was gone when i looked at the page. Also, you say theres no promotion of yourself, have you read teh dulston wiki page since 2005? Its full of Caleb Usher And Dulston allaince propoganda.Yonnua Koponen 22:47, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! its wan vs the world!!--xoxo 04:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

North Blythville's Description

Hey WanYao, please don't remove the description for North Blythville! You might be thinking you are being righteous by taking a literal NPOV, but we all like our description the way it is! By all means you can add that the The Dead have trashed it if you want for a recent putrid flavour..--Jake T Weber 00:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Jake, there's a group section down the right hand side so no one feels the need to promote their group in the description. If you do want that shit there at least try and be a bit more creative rather then just listing them all one after the other...--xoxo 05:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
we're on the same side on this one?!?!? *le gasp!!* ;P But, meh, as out of line with the accepted style guides as the NB thing is -- and it's WAY outta line, man -- I'm really sick of fighting with people over this stuff... it's pointless and wasteful, see below, sigh. --WanYao 05:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Man you make me wanna just go on there and delete it myself...Penny Heights used to have a similar thing advertising some old group, i deleted it and went to check when it had been added. I never actually found out exactly, but it was aggesss ago, like '05 ages ago. Anyway not sure why i told you that...--xoxo 06:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


Hey i don't get your post on the Dakers say its POV and don't delete coz you like the group? I thought in your line of thinking if somethings POV (even if its true) it gets deleted. Maybe i just need a refresher course in your line of thinking...--xoxo 11:30, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

for fuck sake drop it, already. go grind your fucking axe somewhere else. if you'd actually READ my fucking posts, if you knew anything about my history of approaching the News sections... you'd have comprehended that i'm not opposed to a little "POV flavour" in the News. i encourage it, in fact. within certain reasonable limits. what i don't deal with well is blatant, and esp. repeated propaganda ... or tactical shit... a distinction that you just can't seem to get through your skull. you're just pissed because i called you and your buddies on some bullshit... seriously, most people don't have this kind of problem once the reasoning behind NPOV etc. explained to them. but you seem to. whatever... just fucking drop it already... and to the effect please stay off my talk page unless you have a different, non-broken record to spin... thanks. --WanYao 12:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
bahaha...chill. I'm not pissed i just saw that post as a total contradiction. But whatever, i don't care. Notice i didn't actually say i was against your post, just that i didn't get it. Anyway, consider my mind refreshed in your ways.--xoxo 05:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey There

Very nice of you to leave me a message =) I've made two or three templates so I am playing around with some ideas for a beerhah template. If it doesn't come out atrocious, I might post it on the forum and get some feedback. :D --Fifth Element 10:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I've just kinda cross examined codes from different templates, then used the basic structure to alter it the way I want. I'm new to UD Wiki so everything here is pretty foreign to me right now. But anyways, have a good night, and beerhah! (barhah from my zombie alts!) --Fifth Element 12:31, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

RE:Other peoples Talk Pages

Wan, to answer your question on the Vandalism page, the only time you may delete a comment from someone else's talk page is if you are editing it for clarity. Only the "owner" of that talk page has the authority to delete comments from their talk page. Conndrakamod TDHPD CFT 06:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Removal of News Item in Recent News for Penny Heights

Topic closed. Don't post anything else on this subject, please... I think we've covered it all.

I noticed that you moved several news items for the month of March in the Recent News section for Penny Heights into the News Archive. There were also some deletions you made to older news in February. However, I see no explanation as to why you deleted this blurb on the ongoing propaganda clash and the recent visit by the Zedapalooza Concert Tour. --The Masked Lurker 15:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

- When the ongoing feud between alleged members of two survivor groups has lasted for several months now, it's news. When a sleepy suburb like Penny Heights is the killing grounds, it's news. When the local airwaves is being dominated by propaganda from the two feuding groups, it's news. When local residents start airing their opinions, it's news. I wish it wasn't news, but those alleged members of those two groups have been bombarding Penny Heights non-stop with their "he-said, she-said" crap before the Feral Undead invaded and after. The sheer amount is annoyingly news-worthy. Still, I only report it on a semi-weekly basis. --The Masked Lurker 12:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough.... I thought it was something involving only a couple of players ... --WanYao 14:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
- A handful of accounts or not, they are "loud". Wiki, radio, talking. And they've been letting the people of Penny Heights know all about their damned feud since January. That's why I took the time to briefly mention them. Once, for the blasted propaganda picking up once more after the Feral Undead left the suburb. Twice, for the local residents joining the argument by asking them to stop clogging the airwaves. --The Masked Lurker 17:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
stop clearing the RP news in Penny Heights. Its important news - yeah its a bit POV, but can you think of a non-pov way to spread the RP word? I'm going to put it back in rewritten and can you leave it? your not the only person in the suburb.--xoxo 04:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm the NPOV News Nazi !!! ;P Replied to on your talk page... But that post... c'mon... in that case I know I wasn't crossing into a grey area in deleting it, as sometimes I can do, admittedly... It crossed over the line past "a little POV" and into "total propaganda"... The replacement is fine. Peace. --WanYao 05:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
RP isn't important news at all, it's group dependent, If you want to get more people revied your group needs to work out a way to do that, not use the wiki to get the people to do the work. Oh and the little TRP thing, that's more than enough reason why RP discussion doesn't belong in the news, the RPs are already listed(which isn't NPOV but is done to accommodate survivors.)--Karekmaps?! 12:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The wiki's here to provide information. News of new RPs is information for everyone in the 'burb, yes, zombies too! If you had it your way the only wiki page would be the sysops list.--xoxo 12:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

RPs are a tactical group run buildings or location, that's hardly neutral or useful. It's tactics. And it's not news, you don't need an announcement saying the RP is there that's what the TRP list thing is for. So then, I wonder, in what way is this about anything other than you wanting to comment on how effective and great your group mans the revive point?--Karekmaps?! 12:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

He is not doing that.In no way is he saying it to just talk himself up. This revive point has only been in place a few days. It is a new revive point. This is letting people know that their suburb has a new revive point and that it is very active. If they were to build a new important structure or organization in my real life hometown, I would consider that news. Revive points are very effective and when I am in a foreign suburb, sometimes the only way I can find a decent revive location is this wiki. When I first moved to Santlerville I had no idea what to do to get revived. They made a big fuss about the new St. E's RP, and now it is one of (if not THE) most effective RPs in Malton. --MichaelRead 13:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I just took a second look at both Kareks comment and the Penny Heights page. I guess I over reacted just a little...haha. Sorry about that guys, everything looks cool.--MichaelRead 13:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Oy veh... I don't give a fuck y'all are spamming up my talk page... but... I should get a word in edgewise... ;P

Frankly, I agree with Karek for the most part, and I knew all along all the points that he brought up... But while I may seem like a News-Nazi, I think I'm actually kinda slack -- if you take into account "the letter of the law" -- which is why I actually was willing to let it go. Actually, karek taught me huge parts of what I know about News/NPOV stuff -- and some of it was learned at end of his revert blade, so to speak... My biggest mistake here was not to talk to people on their talk pages (or having the chance to do an NPOV rewrite)... I need to start doing that more, and for that I apologise to everyone... 'Nuff said. --WanYao 14:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

But RPs should be advertised in-game... spray tags, radio, etc. etc. ... That's really the normal way it's done... Or when there is going to be talk of changing RPs, then a note refering to further discussion on the suburb talk page is IMO okay... That's the "letter" of the law, you know... --WanYao 14:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Thats not the "letter" of the law, thats your opinion on the normal way its done. In fact the law doesn't even state that NPOV is required, its merely a guideline. So while yes, i accept that NPOV is fine you are wrong to claim that the law says the wiki shouldn't be used for providing residents on in game information. The wiki doesn't ONLY exist for mods to feel good about themselves you know :P --xoxo 11:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree with that, but there are no limits to what you can say, just how you say it. That's what NPOV exists for, it's so that it's useful and correct, not opinionated and slanted. If an RP is part of a news story then I could understand that, but making a news story because of the RP just existing, that's not really useful to anyone.--Karekmaps?! 17:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Okaaaay... well, I think we're done here... I am, anyway. --WanYao 15:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

No way, we're just getting started! *turns on aqua*--xoxo 03:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

My post

My bad, but the zombie attacks are public knowlege. On the wiki page.

Not sure which wiki page you're referring to where the attack times are posted. If zombie groups, or any group, are posting that information in the News, that is wrong... But if it's on their group's wiki, or publically available on their forums... well, that's exactly where it belongs... Anyway... thanks... And stay safe. Or enjoy those entrails. As the case may be. ;) --WanYao 16:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

YOU are bobby bubonic?!

Wow! what a small city this is! I would never have guessed that Wan Yao = bobby bubonic. I'm "the sherwel building" from BTW :) The man 12:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

UD Adventure

Hi, I was hoping I could convince you to change your vote on my Urban Dead Adventures suggestion since it's just one vote short from passing. There aren't any restrictions - the map just very slowly shrinks on one side and grows on the other. There would be no rush to really move. You'd have something like thirty days before it went across the entire city of Malton. I envision the map changing each month. --Jon Pyre 17:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Wa?? Change a vote? My god man! This isn't Iraq where we just push the "image of democracy!!" We gots the real deal here. If you want people to change their votes you better learn to do it behind closed doors with suitcases full of money like a respectable politician. Now hang your head in shame.. --Airborne88Zzz1.JPGT|ZC|MI|E! 08:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL !!!!! --WanYao 13:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Nice :P The man 00:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I try (-; --Airborne88Zzz1.JPGT|ZC|MI|E! 02:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC) 04:33, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Tactical Advice

Okay. Factual information only. Gotcha. I just like to inform people what's coming or what they could do about it sometimes. Sorry. --Kingofallpie 20:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

They already do, to a certain extent. But I digress. I'll leave it out of the official UD wiki. --Kingofallpie 22:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I've seen tons of status updates saying "X mall has fallen! Undead victory is imminent! BARHAH!". Good thing about a wiki is that they tend to be deleted pretty quickly, which may not be that cool in terms of actual proof. But yeah, I'll do my best to keep NPOV when updating.--Kingofallpie 22:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Mis-use of revive sites

Re your delete of my post on the East Grayside wiki page. Why don't you think the mis-use of revive sites not news worthy? I think survivors killing people waiting for revives at at a revive site is news worthy. Or is it giving the Suburb a bad name?--Twin paradox 05:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

To the investigation commitie of un-Maltonian activities

Communism... Hmm. Well, I've certainly read a fair bit on and about Marx, and some Gramski and such.... I've been associated with members of the COmmunist Party, Joined the Anarchists for a bit (until I had to pay a membership fee and go to arranged meetings.... go figure.) I think i'd define myself as a socialist though.... I happen to beleive some sort of Vanguard to a revolution is needed. Watching the developments in Latin America with great interest at the moment! So in response, yes, I am a dirty red, here to steal all your secerets, pies, leather satchels and probably some other stuff too and make everyone build a giant statue of Marx on the moon. Or maybe Joe Strummer... I haven't decided yet!--SeventythreeTalk 01:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

You are a die hard zombie and a red huh? Why am I not suprised... Don't worry '73 I still like you! Maybe I can get in on some of that "universal health care" you dirty commies got going on??--Airborne88Zzz1.JPGT|ZC|MI|E! 08:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

retitled to "you know what? i really don't give a flying fuck ..."

From the UDWiki/Admin/Vandal page

All this stuff about the NPOV section notwithstanding -- this is new to me, but what do I know -- your group has control of your group's page. Your group has no control over another group or user's page that talks about your group. Anyone can talk about your group on their pages. If you feel the page in question is libelling you, then you could take them to Arbitration, I suppose. But you can't edit another person or group's page, not matter how insulting or annoying you consider it ... just like they can't edit yours. It's fucking simple, even an idiot like me understands it, sheeesh. --WanYao 22:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Our group did not have control of our page. In some of the other comments you can see where hagnut tells us if we want our page edited we can contact him so he can let us. The page in question was created about our group by someone not in the group, set up as our user page- with all sorts of redirects to it -, after a deletion request it was deleted, then recreated and mod locked by the mod that created it after we requested it be deleted. So not only was it not deleted it was locked where we couldn't edit it and everything on it was wrong!. It's important that the truth gets out about the mod power abuses that are rampant here. Visit my talk page for more information. But the important thing is don't just take one persons word on it. Not a mods not mine. --DCC 11:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

You could just delete it.

Wouldn't be the first time something of mine has been erased, I'd probably live. Hope you yell at the author of those 10 gigaton zombie biased posts too though. Redwave 20:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The URL Let me know when you register, I will make you an admin.

Thanks from The Kilt Store

Thanks for your advice on getting the picture formatting right for The Kilt Store page. I finally got around to trying the idea you put in your Sandbox and it worked great! Much appreciated. Oh, and as a result I also learned that you run The Dali Zambah - who healed my zombie alt, so he's cool with that guy. --Kilt Store Owner 7 January, 200

Pac man in malton vote factual correction

"What you are thinking of is Asteroids, where time-space was, in fact, spherical."

Actually, for it to work, the world would have to be doughnut shaped. With the vertical axis coiled into a tube, and then bent in a circle along the horizontal axis for everything to connect as suggested. Mmm... doughnuts. Excuse me for a second... *Starts snarfing down doughnuts* --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 16:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Moronic Comment? Au contraire!

Far from it--your comment was one thing that made me go back through the broadcasts looking for clues I missed, scant hours before we scouted the 'Bank. --Vandr 00:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, we had planned on keeping the secret to ourselves, partly to let others figure it out and partly so we could keep him as our own private target. But when we told him we figured it out, he got spooked, and... well in his latest broadcast he outed himself. We still haven't actually, you know, caught him yet, by the time we found him we didn't have enough AP to do much, so the fact that he's taken his name and ID number public changes the nature of this little race considerably... --Vandr 15:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


Hi there. I appreciated your comments on my Sword suggestion. You mentioned that you thought there might be room in the UD wiki consensus/ethos for machetes. Do you have any advice on how to propose such a suggestion? --Clay5x 02:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


That glossary was deleted by the sysops, not me. Probably my fault though as I had a few sloppy redirections. I'm currently in the process of trying to resurrect it at UDWiki:Administration/Undeletions#French_glossary. --Dan Everyman 07:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Things I never said

I never said how large the idiot population of survivors are, but I can assure you that if they bitch about overcading and barricade plans they do make that list in my book.--Karekmaps?! 05:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Voting Question

I left a question on your kill vote for the Tangling Grasp change [1], you obviously don't need to answer but I would like to have your input.-- BKM 19:40, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

That actually does clarify it for me. I see your point and why you voted kill, it kind of bugs me when people make votes without real justification, I simply misunderstood you, thanks for the clarification and sorry about that. -- BKM 20:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


You maul Wan Yao for 3 damage, and grab hold of them. They die.

Hi! How're things? :D ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾ 14:23, 8 October 2007 (BST)


You just changed changed a bunch of stuff on the Roachtown page, which may or may not be bad, but you also deleted the suburb map! I for one use the wiki's maps, so put it back, pretty please! And no, I refuse to go to some barricade plan page just to look at a map, k?--Lachryma 23:24, 22 July 2007 (BST)

I have no idea how to send a message! hmph... I fixed the wiki primary because on my browser the formatting was a BIG mess... then i noticed the information was kind of disorganised and hard to find, so I moved some of it around... it was just a start. I have no problem sticking the barricade plan back up, though... --WanYao 23:56, 22 July 2007 (BST)
Thanks for letting me know all this on my talk page, but we can talk here. Anyway, thanks for putting back up the map. In the future might wanna slap something on the suburb's talk page saying you're gonna reorganize stuffs and state your plans and all that, chill for a bit, and wait and see if anyone notices. If they don't, meddle to your heart's content, but some places have like guardian fething angels that will scream at you if you mess with their precious suburb. *rolls eyes*--Lachryma 04:46, 23 July 2007 (BST)
NO FAIR! Lach stole my usual headline! Anyway, I saw on Kevan's page how you felt about things like combat revives and such. May I point you to this page? Alls fair in love and war, wouldn't you agree?-- dǝǝɥs ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 09:45, 30 July 2007 (BST)

I saw your post

On Kevan's user page. Well done, I agree with virtually everything you say. No one in this game has it tough, and they should all deal with what is presented to them. Yeah, survivors do suck when it comes to coordination and cooperation. Zeds to rule. And PKers are just funny and unpredictable. So yeah, thank you again! --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 10:31, 30 July 2007 (BST)

OK, I guess

I half expected it to be removed haha. But to be honest with you, that was the first news item I had ever posted without any aid from anyone else. I knew the moment I included the junkyard it would seem as if I was advertising it, but that wasn't the case. I had just went to check the RP and saw two lower level players sleeping in there, advised them to get out, then realized that one of them was a zed character. Just to clarify, if the airwaves are cluttered with news of Zombies scouting the area, and then I personally find a Zed in human form scouting the area (keeping in mind that this is while the City is falling to the hands of the undead), it is not considered news? The residents of Penny Heights are very heavily pro-survivor, so I thought this would benefit most of them, thats all.--MichaelRead 03:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Specifically in response to this. No, it's not news. News is generally supposed to be about major events that affect large portions of the suburb and/or its population. This includes TRP status (but not every little break that takes place...), or the presence of significant groups and/or group activity in the burb, that kind of thing. It does not include blatant propaganda/promotions for groups, tactical/planning information, or subjective personal narratives (what sonny derisively calls "livejournal crap")... IMO this can be a VERY grey area in many cases, and myself I honestly try to give a lot of leeway for flavour and expression, even if that means the posts slile a little into "POV" reporting. I've posted lots of reports, myself, that are technically POV-ish... But it is a very black and white area in others case... For example... perfect example... the zombie spy post was very black and white. Dealing with zombie spies is a purely tactical issue -- and combating them is a tactical issue purely of concern to one "side" of the game, to boot. And it doesn't matter if Penny Heights is survivor-dominated -- that doesn't give you the right to dominate the news with your POV. The wiki's community pages are supposed to be just that: for the community. Thus they are supposed to be neutral and not favour one "side" or faction over another, but to be accessible and non-alienating (i.e. neutral) for anyone who reads them... And not to be abused for tactical purposes, either... The News is for reporting, not for planning... --WanYao 04:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
That statement was very, very contradictory. Zombie Scouts do affect a large proportion of the suburb and its population. Given the current state of the city, this is very likely pointing to a large horde coming our way. This is news for this suburb. I have reposted it accordingly.--MichaelRead 04:41, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Exactly. That's tactical/planning information. And it has no place in the News. But, you're not going to budge on this... And neither am I, because, and call me ass or whatever for saying do... but frankly I know I am in the right here... So, I'm done... Cheers. --WanYao 04:43, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not going to budge, because you have no right to police what is said, WanYao. You are just a simple wiki-user, as I am myself. This news is not POV, from my POV. But it is from your POV. See how we can't avoid it? You are no more important than me, or anybody else on this wiki. So stop acting like you have the right of censorship. I have reposted, if you have an issue with my reposting, then take that up with me.--MichaelRead 04:55, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I did talk to you... and that got nowhere, did it? But, you're right, on several counts. #1) I am just one user, just like you. And as a wiki user, I have the right to delete POV articles from the News. Every wiki user has that right. I'm no more or less special than anyone. #2) NPOV on community pages is not policy, per se. But it is practised, and it is enforced, if necessary. I'm wondering something, are you trying to goad me to take this to arbitration? Or are you just enjoying the goading, i.e. trolling? I'm trying to let this go... But I keep getting new messages everytime I log on, half of them laced with swearing and a generally belligerant tone, on my talk page... So, if that's what you want... to go to arby with this? I don't care, either way... but if you're looking to keep this up, that's where it belongs. --WanYao 07:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
No, fuck it Read you were in the right here I think. I saw nothing wrong with that post and I'm really starting to get sick of this bullshit "NPOV" vomit. Seriously WanYao, you're probably a great person and I have nothing against you personally, but fucking hell what the fuck can we write in the news if what MichaelRead wrote wasn't acceptable? And who the fuck decided the wiki had to be NPOV in the first place? I never saw a discussion on it... Sorry about the swearing.--Nick 03:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Motherfucker! Sorry, that was coz this is at the bottom of the page, new posts are spose to go at the top. Yeah he post was POV, but i think the NPOV thing is rubbish. Honestly i could delete half the news in Malton. I think the wiki needs a firm policy on this, on that note we need more liberal sysops who are willing to reconsider policy rather than just enforce existing policy...--xoxo 04:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Whatever... I'll deal with being on the bottom... ;P Anyway.... I am dealing with post to the Penny Heights News about the zombie spies. Not the RP stuff. The SPAIZ post was what I posted to SLR's Talk page about... Anyway, there is NOTHING wrong with the NPOV guidelines, or their enforcement. They are there for very good reasons.... And are they enforced consistently throughtout the wiki? Sadly, no, they are not, I wish more people CARED... But, okay, you don't like them? Then how's this sound:... I'll start posting and encouraging others to post pro-zombie tactical information on the wiki, in the News specifically. I'll use the News to post intel about various buildings, 'cade levels, survivors inside, etc. etc... and we'll coordinate strike times and attack locations, etc. etc. through the News... We'll also recruit for zombie groups, advocate RP rot-clogging, post lists of known revivers in the burb, all that AWESOME stuff to help zombies tactically, especially those wonderful non-metagaming ferals upon whom hordes rely so much... So... how's that sound? Fair? No? not really? ... Well, exactly. that's the slipperly slope you're advocating. And exactly why we have NPOV. --WanYao 04:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Wow. no, wrong. That's what i'm not advocating. That would mean we would have 50 news articles a day. However, if there was a new RP in town and you wanted other zombies to know about it i think you should be able to say 'rotters get over to junkyard 98,76. Or at the very least 'a new RP at junkyard98,76 is open'. As for zombie spies, i'm gonna have to reread the post...--xoxo 04:21, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
No. I wrote that it has been floating around on the airwaves. Fact. I also wrote that I had encountered one. Fact. The only POV statement in the post, the only tactical statement, was reminding pro-survivors to scan before they revive, and to be more suspicious etc. So I will repost, without that POV. Also, feel free to post your "tactics" on the Penny Heights page. I would love to read them, just as you read ours. Thanks.--MichaelRead 04:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I won't do that, because it is unfair and I respect the NPOV guidelines... Whatever... I could (and probably should) take this to Arby... But I don't have the energy for this, or really the interest, or the spite level to do so... Go nuts... --WanYao 04:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
To be brutally honest, NPOV is not a policy on this wiki, so I understand that you are taking from wikipedias guidelines. However you do need to take a look around. Regardless of what you purists think, this place is not a dictionary to the urban dead world anymore. I can understand pages that describe a weapon being NPOV. But cmon, you are only letting the news come from your POV by policing what is and isn't said. I have nothing against you, I respect you for standing up for what you believe in.But you need to move along with the growth and patrons of the game, rather than go on looking like an old hat trying to enforce 100 year old laws.--MichaelRead 04:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


No I do not plan on taking you to Arbys, as I really feel it is a waste of everyones time. Look all I am saying is, I think it is NPOV, you think it is POV. It really comes down to personal opinion dude. I agree that the first post was a bit too POV. So I've toned it down. Let's just leave it at that? Anyway there are some newbies who have made edits on the PH page that are one billion times POV, if you wish to deal with them. Otherwise, I would like to get over it as it all has been a bit of silly bickering. Oh, and no, I do not enjoy "trolling", nor have I sworn on even close to "half of the posts". Dude I've got nothing against you as a person, I just have something against every post being censored by one user. Thats more POV than anything, in my opinion. Anyway, lets put it behind us, and as I really only intend for you to read this statement, I would expect you to delete most of what has been written as it really does ugly up everything..haha. Main point, dude I respect what you do, but I disagree with you in this instance, and I do not believe one user has the right to censorship. I think thats a fair call? Lets leave it there yeah?--MichaelRead 08:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


It is really that bloody hard.