Category talk:Historical Groups

Obtaining Historical Status

A policy is in place which outlines the method to attain historical status.

Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game. A nomination should be made on Category talk:Historical Groups. Within two weeks of a nomination, the group must be approved by 2/3 of the voters, and have a minimum of 15 voters for a nomination to pass. The only allowable votes are Yes and No. Groups that pass will be added to the category as described below. Groups must allow a week to pass between nominations. Groups must allow 4 months in between when the group disbands and when they can be nominated for Historical Status. (Note: Only for Malton-based groups)

Nominations for Historical Status

When nominating a group, please add a note to Template:Wiki News and add {{HistoricalGroupVoting}} to the top of the group's page. Also, please add {{HistoricalVotingRules}} under the group's application for historical status.

New Nominations

Red Rum

Voting Rules

Votes must be numbered, signed, and timestamped. They can take one of two forms: # comments ~~~~ or # ~~~~ Votes that do not conform to the above will be struck by a moderator.

The only valid voting sections are Yes and No. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

Once the biggest ever group of murderers in this game, I had a lot of fun with these guys when we were shooting people and each other (I genuinely didn't expect to get shot by my own team quite so much, but it always made me laugh). Probably our most impressive stuff was when 10-30 of us would show up at once and kill everyone we could see, but my particularly favourite bits were the stupid things we did, like our Tea Party in the Blackmore Building. We combat revived the RRF holding the place, barricaded it up and then, when people started turning up proclaiming it was back in survivor hands, we shot them too. Hurray!

Here's some of the stuff we did below, but there was also a lot of cool stuff with other groups, whether we helped organise it (like the St. Valentine's Cherubs) or just turned up to have some fun (too many PKA events to list!). Thanks for all the good times! --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 13:18, 6 April 2012 (BST)

Cool Events: Tommy Gun | Creedystock | The Great Military Biscuit War | Battle Royale | Siege of Jerusalem | Dia De Los Muertos | Red Ranch | Hunting Season | Big Red Vasectomy Tour

Spinoff Stuff: Flat Earth Society | ¯\(°_o)/¯ | The Daily Ruminations | PANCAKE | Scour the Earth |
Lord Curton's Gentlemen's Hunting Club

Yes

1. Y'arrr - cheers to Beardo, Strata, DevilAsh, Revenant, Dancing Banana, Suburban Ed, GioV, Cypher, Goribus, Amber, Vis, binlaggin, Vandr, phozil, dipcup, shad, Genie, bluefish, turk and no doubt a whole load more people I've forgotten for all the awesome times! :D --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 13:24, 6 April 2012 (BST)
2. While their impact on the game as a whole may be perhaps up for discussion, they seemed to be a successful PK group back in the day. Well known by the public at large, while maintaining a style of their own that set them apart from the pack. Decent enough, so a yes. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 13:47, 6 April 2012 (BST)
3. my first Pker group. ah the wanderers. this makes me sad.--User:Sexualharrison13:53, 6 April 2012
4. Absolutely. I thank all of the guys that contributed (you know who you are) and disagree inherently with Thad, but don't want to poke too much fun out of him in case he bans me again. Much love to everyone, I have really enjoyed rolling with the biggest PKing group in UD for the past seven or eight (good lord, that long?) years. --Ash  ^{|  T  |  яя  |} 14:09, 6 April 2012 (BST)
5. makeitsomakeitsomakeitso 14:11, 6 April 2012 (BST)
6. What the hell? I go inactive for a few months and you guys go dead? Not cool. But your group was cool. And DEFINITELY historical. —Aichon— 14:52, 6 April 2012 (BST)
7. :( Karl forgot me--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 16:22, 6 April 2012 (BST)
8. Red Rum was for a very long time the very biggest PKer group - and that continuously, while most PKer groups tend to fade away as fast as they rise. If you even consider to vote "no", your perception is seriously weird. -- Spiderzed█ 16:29, 6 April 2012 (BST)

   :D --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 22:05, 6 April 2012 (BST)

9. $50 says Skynet shows up to vote no on this. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 16:45, 6 April 2012 (BST)
10. YES! Asheets 16:59, 6 April 2012 (BST)
11. Piling in. These guys were before my time, but it's obvious they made a major contribution to the art of PKing. ~~ Chief Seagull ~~ ^talk 20:00, 6 April 2012 (BST)

No

1. Nay - Criteria states: "1. Groups must no longer actively contribute to the game." I assume you guys are still together in game? Do you still want to edit the Red Rum page? If so, then you'll have to wait to get included as a Historical Group. Recall that The Dead had to make a new page, rather than reopen the old one. Now, if Red Rum basically says: "Yeah, we're done." Then I will be willing to change my vote. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 22:03, 6 April 2012 (BST)

Columbine Kids

10 months have passed since the last nomination, which furthermore failed by just one vote. I see it thus as justified to re-approach them and see how well their reputation has kept up.

It has now been much more than a year that any Columbine Kids have been active, let alone orchestrated anything together.

From their very founding day on, they have polarized the UD metagame, going even as far as getting the group put up for deletion vote due to bad taste, or because no one thinks of the children, or whatever the reasoning was for those who voted for deletion. And it wasn't just at the beginning that they shocked and polarized the UD crowd, it even continued throughout their career.

They have not just made impact by their concept, though. They were also effective PKers, racking up massive bounties, performing highly coordinated timed strikes and getting involved in events like the 2008 Wedding Crash or Samhain Slaughter 1 to 3. You also mustn't forget their various school shooting tours they have organized and pulled off on their own.

They were recognized in the Malton Murder Awards 2010 as nominee for Best PKer Group.

Seriously, if you are involved in the PKer metagame at all, you have heard of them and their exploits. -- Spiderzed█ 15:16, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes

1. See above. -- Spiderzed█ 15:16, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
2. --  ▧  ^{: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :} 15:59, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
3. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 16:17, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
4. They was robbed last time. You all is just e-cock blockin'. ~ _{19:57, 4 February 2012 (UTC)}
5. --User:Sexualharrison20:27, 4 February 2012 (bst)
6. They're well known, have maintained mindshare over the last year, participated in a number of major events, and were effective in doing what they set out to do. They may not have pioneered new tactics or methods for PKing, but they did make a name for themselves, and it wasn't all just bluster. —Aichon— 20:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
7. Yus! Petite Fille 05:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
8. for what it's worth. I think they are a lot more valid for this than many/most of the groups that are already in the category --Honestmistake 15:59, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
9. --ZombieDalkorian 19:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
10. I suspect that many people never payed attention to the in-game contributions of the CK, focusing mainly on the loldrama on their talk page and on their attitude out of game. My group may have been opposed to most of their antics, but they certainly had an impact on many major events, including getting several off the ground. --DT^PK 20:09, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
11. Yes, I think they had a decent impact on PKing in general, and they made good use of the concept. --Shatari 22:59, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
12. Yeah, everyone knows who they were, they had a sense of humor, and they killed a lot of people. Good enough for me.--Akbar 02:11, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
13. Manson made me vote yes. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 07:30, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
14. If they were historic for the PKer community, I think it would marginalize PKers to think that that isn't sufficient for them to be historic. --Moctezuma ^{The Streltsy} 05:17, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
15. It's possible that I may be biased... --Papa Moloch 11:11, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
16. Likewise with the biased, but frankly we kicked ass in an incredibly tasteless manner. :D --CyanEyed ^C-Kids 21:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
17. Yeah, sure, why not? - Zombiegeorge 13:46, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
18. I missed the last vote and would have said yes then so I'm saying yes now.--Samhain Sam 17:00, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

No

1. As the previous bid's against votes. Too much of their value has been put into their apparent offensiveness, and otherwise they seem only successful, and neither of these points are enough to be entitled historical, or what should be called historical. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
2. No, Same as last time wiki drama does not make you Historical. They were just your average PKers who only PKed nothing more. This does not make you Historical.--Josh Clark 18:21, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
3. They did nothing of note besides "participated" and "had a cool name." They just floated around like typical flotsam. Hardly standout. Frankly, these guys have done zilch to be considered anywhere near the same notability as groups like Channel Four or the old FOD.--RadicalWhig 01:58, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
4. No, as Josh Clark. (There, I agreed with Josh for once!) They weren't historical last time this came up, and they've not become any more historical in the meantime.--Mallrat ^{TSI TKS CTD} 02:58, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
5. No, while CK was a skilled collection of PKers and good fun to boot, I have to agree with AHLG. Skilled? Yes. Historical? Me thinks not. --Ciscokitty 03:27, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
6. No,--Carrie Cutter 03:29, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
7. As one of the yes votes even indicates, they brought nothing new to the table other than wiki drama. Being coordinated and successful when other groups are out there doing the same thing does not put you on a timeline. The event participation just goes to say "and this group was also there" The school shooting tours would not seem enough to me to warrant the nod.  Albert Schwan  _{Sunday, 5 February 2012}
8. Nope. They were notable, but not exceptional - not on a level with the other groups who are historical, and I'd prefer not to see the concept deleted by just including larger groups that hung around a while. --Rambo Ninja Spiderman 04:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
9. Nah, either your historical, or your not... repeatedly putting something up for historical seems a bit desperate. The consensus was no last time, so I'm gonna vote no this time.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 09:33, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

10. No - Very few pker groups do enough to be considered notable or historic. The only reason anyone knows who the Columbine Kids are is pretty much some very minor wiki drama. They're no Amish, Red Rum, or DEA. They didn't help make a huge event and the most you can even note them for in their nomination is as being a tag along? An Historic Group these things do not make. —myself last time around

    
    Nothing has changed except now even less people care about them. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 09:56, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

11. No - emphatically as Karek. —myself last time around

    
    D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 11:15, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
12. No, their only notoriety is having a shock name and like ten year olds, they want attention for it. Their whining makes me even less inclined to vote for them. Herr Gerdongerdorf 20:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
13. No, I have no interest in seeing a group made historical for their impact on the metagame. -- 19:49, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
14. No. As Anime and Karek. You're holding on to MMORPG accomplishments a little too tightly, brother. Let it go. --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 18:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
15. No. This group was not notable enough to warrant any further comment.  Billy Club Thorton  T!  RR  06:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
16. No. Attention grabbing name, but not much substance. Jesus Sante ^CFT 18:04, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
17. No. As Anime. Asheets 16:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
18. No. The group wasn't notable enough to be considered historic. Standard Zombie 22:37, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
19. No. Barely ever heard of them in-game. Also, per AHLG.-- Thadeous Oakley Talk 23:03, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
20. No. Who? →Son of Sin← 11:55, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
21. NO for all the reasons above. Duck J 17:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

SWING AND A MISS! - Voting is over and the poll says "No". --Papa Moloch 15:27, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

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Historical Groups Use Discussion

just a question why and how did the roftwood assault force become historical?--User:Sexualharrison04:16, 23 June 2011 (bst)

here's the vote. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 05:45, 23 June 2011 (BST)

man did it squeak by. must have been when i was inactive for a few months.--User:Sexualharrison06:06, 23 June 2011 (bst)